sk-lore

[quartz salmon]

there is no confirmation but just look at it

also the kingdom stretches out from it in all directions

• tc said that reaching the citadel is only half of the journey we still have to scale it when we get inside

so theres probably a bunch more areas inside it

[rancid river]

Lemme do the dishes and I'll get on it!! I'm not a master of poem analysis by any means but I consider myself pretty competent... Can I tag you when I'm finished? I'd like to discuss it in-depth if it'd be okay with you !! :D

[whole hawk]

Oh definitely. I think this is gonna be a Castlevania moment (Order of Ecclesia I'm thinking) where there is a massive castle map as the prime lategame area you explore

They did say in that old Edge magazine interview that they liked how Lords of Shadow did that

[quartz salmon]

yeah it seems like the forge, the scholarly place, the vault, the clocktower are all inside the citadel

and who knows what else

[gusty nexus]

I have a theory that in SS we will have to collect bells to enter a place and defeat the penultimate boss or the last boss.

[quartz salmon]

ringing the bells does ... something

seems like they even have seals of binding on them

[gusty nexus]

Touch or break

[viscid ridge]

ok all good, im just gonna post my interpretations of the poem here from yesterday

Probably refers to the one who is causing the curse on pharloom, maybe another higher being we have yet to see?

And the beast similarity has been pointed out, being similar to herrahs title, but i dont think its gonna have anything to do with her, probably something to do with Deepnest's dead sire, who from context in hollow knight is probably some kind of higher bug or higher being of some kind. But this is all speculation.

Or maybe, it refers to something that is yet to happen. If we assume the bugs of pharloom captured weavers to get silk, then when we free all the weavors, they will show their true power and maybe inact revenge of some kind.

We know weavers are important enough to have effigies made of them, so maybe the bugs of pharloom aren't revering a higher being, but the group of weavers that provides the silk.

[whole hawk]

Everything related to the bells and just climbing the Citadel will be all "normal end" stuff
Hornet probably needs to understand her past fully by finding all the weaver stuff, like the ghost did finding the Abyss, for us to get the true end
And I think the big TWEEST in the story that Team Cherry keeps hiding and hinting is related to the void, the everblooms, and whatever the hell the steel faction is

[rancid river]

Touch probably...in the E3 demo and trailers we see Hornet ring the bells. Possibly to awaken something..?

[quartz salmon]

the poem probably has a double meaning, reffering to a higher being and the kingdom itself at the same time

When you wake they shall see your truth,

A beast's nature bare to all.

might be talking about a slumbering god that will wreak havoc at the end of the game AND all the controlled bugs being freed and attacking the citadel

[rancid river]

"beast" also isn't necessarily just a title. Several times it's used just to say "spider" ("neither bug, nor beast, nor god" "a world you gave to bug and beast"). Maybe not the most interesting observation but language is very important in Hollow Knight

[daring beacon]

I like that idea

Surely “the beast” in a literal sense refers to whatever is inside the big cocoon

[supple helm]

All the footage we’ve seen is seeping in atmosphere in a way that immediately one-ups most of hollow knight

I can’t wait to simmer in it oooooooh

[rancid river]

Indeed!! I'm particularly excited for the coral forest and that one clover sub-area of the moss grotto(?). Looks so gorgest /ref

[real crater]

Pretty sure we theorised it could be clover shamways

[rancid river]

Oooh was that an area name on the map?? I didn't look at it too closely to avoid too many spoilers

[real crater]

We know it's clover __

And on the map it says ___ways so we theorised it could be clover shamways

[quartz salmon]

And what does shamways mean

[real crater]

Shamrock is a type of clover

[quartz salmon]

Also to not completely discredit that theory but the areas on the map match the dominant colour of the biome pretty accurately and that WAYS place is almost grey so I can't say it's the clover area

[quartz salmon]

Ohh that's what you mean

[daring beacon]

I wonder if there are any big areas we haven’t seen at all yet

[terse warren]

Most likely yeah

I don't see why Team Cherry would reveal everything from trailers

[quartz salmon]

theyve been very strict with spoilers

and they said they would be, so probably yeah

[real crater]

We haven't really seen the snow area on the map have we?

[obsidian silo]

i noticed in the steam db updates that they cut the sentence: The sequel to the award winning action-adventure. Doesnt that like clearly state that silksong may be an prequel?

[real crater]

No this line refers to silksong being a sequel in the series of hk games it never referred to silksong being a narrative sequel

[low mulch]

if it is a prequel, then Hornet would be much stronger in Hollow Knight. at the start of Silksong, we use almost the exact same moveset she has in all of the first game and expand it over time with more crests and tools.
she does not actually have two of the moves she uses in Hollow Knight at the start of Silksong though, her Gossamer Storm and barb traps, only getting them later, which does support the prequel-theory

[daring beacon]

I think a prequel would make sense as a kind of origin story for hornet

[low mulch]

we already know her origin story, we learn it in the first game

[real crater]

We know hornet loses her powers at the start of silksong due to being on the cage it's not because it's a prequel

[low mulch]

yeah ur right. forgot about that

[real crater]

That was like 3 years ago makes sense to forget this stuff had to relearn so much lore lol

[low mulch]

these are going to be the longest days of my life

upside is plenty of time to catch up

[real crater]

The mossbag vid is pretty good u should check that out of u have the time also I think blue also dropped a vid

[low mulch]

oke thank you

[obsidian parrot]

Gang hear me out the last boss of silksong is the like a random boss guy but after he's defeated ITS REVEALED HE WAS CONTROLLED BY STRINGS THE THE TRUE MASTERMIND JUMPS DOWN AND IT'S ZOTE

[spring merlin]

And he’s building a boat 🔥🔥🔥

[night scarab]

Silksong wins ending spoiler

[opaque epoch]

Shaw

[wanton eagle]

So true Trobbio is gonna carry

[vestal swan]

He's going to die and get immediately replaced by an even crazier showman

[drowsy valley]

[unborn forge]

Do we know the goal in silksong?

[opaque epoch]

No

[real crater]

Ascend to the peak of the kingdom

[unborn forge]

alr

[opaque epoch]

To get to the top maybe

[spark valve]

Hornet’s initial goal is to discover why she was kidnapped. Presumably there will be another goal eventually but for now that’s all we have

[lapis creek]

seems irresponsible of her if the game is a prequel you know

she should go back to hallownest and stop the dreamers from being killed

[flat hearth]

3 days brothers

[spark valve]

They could account for that by retconing even more than prequel already requires but that’s not a great sign for prequel believers either

But no relevant fact is

[desert cloak]

to defeat the Silk Song

[flat hearth]

Personally think it’s a sequel but I could be wrong

[lusty sorrel]

In mossbags video he presents pretty solid points for it being a prequel

[spark valve]

No he doesn’t

[lusty sorrel]

But if its a prequel we know hornet doesn’t die

So it should be a sequel for the sake of non spoiler gameplay

[vestal swan]

There's no good evidence for a prequel, it literally doesn't exist

[lusty sorrel]

Yes he does

[spark valve]

Like?

[lusty sorrel]

https://youtu.be/1zLBwGl-xEg?si=NTHFtJw1xD4dLfo-

[lusty sorrel]

Weavers

[spark valve]

I’m not watching a video that I know is going to be wrong present the point

[vestal swan]

Weaver's leave the kingdom in the middle of the game, they go back to their homeland which is where the sequel takes place

[spark valve]

Just not evidence of prequel and actively prove sequel without retcon

[lapis creek]

what he says in the video is that it would make sense why the weavers have left to go to pharloom, if hornet has already succeeded in making it a safer place for them. which is true but irrelevant as evidence

[sinful nimbus]

Chronologically the weavers would not be in Pharloom if it was a prequel since they left at around the start of HK

[lapis creek]

and he doesn't present it as if it were evidence of prequel imo

[spark valve]

That’s just not an argument though

[vestal swan]

There's also you know, the fact that not all of them have to move when they move? A small part of the tribe could have gone to Hollownest originally ages ago, and us even smaller part of those survivors went back later

[spark valve]

They left to flee infection all it has to be is not known to be as deadly as infection

[lapis creek]

that is also true

[lusty sorrel]

Weavers homeland is not hallownest

[vestal swan]

Yes we know

[spark valve]

The first correct thing you’ve said

[vestal swan]

There's also still the more likely scenario they don't know what the hell's going on back home, or they do and they think they can help

Like if a volcano erupted in your backyard and your option was to go back to your old house, are you going to know that there is a flood at the old house before you get there?

[spark valve]

Why I said known to be

Shit could be as bad as infection and if they don’t know it’s there it would still make sense to flee from Hallownest to Pharloom

[vestal swan]

Exactly

[lusty sorrel]

I think they does because if they didnt know about the situation in farloom they wouldnt have went to hallownest

[vestal swan]

No???

They already came to hollownest

Before this nonsense went down, either that or it's been happening a very very long time

[lusty sorrel]

Yes but maybe thats the reason

[vestal swan]

It would not be the reason

[spark valve]

Nothing indicates that they came to Hallownest out of necessity

And if they did that’s a huge point against prequel because in that case they would’ve already gone back

[real crater]

They might have came for a vacation and not been able to leave (not probable but a theory)

[spark valve]

Anyways still yet to see one good point for prequel

From the video that allegedly had a bunch

[lusty sorrel]

But they probably know about the situation in farloom

[spark valve]

Source?

[real crater]

Also mossbag said in that video that he doesn't really believe in prequel iirc

[lapis creek]

it was literally just this one thing he said i dont think anyone alleged it had a bunch

[lusty sorrel]

No he doesnt i watch it recently

[spark valve]

There’s a bunch of wastes between the kingdoms in what universe is there ‘probably’ a functional communication network

[spark valve]

The claim was that he made ‘pretty solid points’ that’s plural

But fine if it’s just two what’s the other one because we’ve established that weavers aren’t remotely evidence of prequel (and that they’re actually evidence of sequel)

[lapis creek]

forgive me i cant read

[real crater]

Anyways what are the theories for the snow area we saw briefly

[lusty sorrel]

I didnt say ss is a prequel

[spark valve]

We haven’t really seen enough of it to say much

[spark valve]

You said mossbag had good points pointing to it being

[lusty sorrel]

Yes

[real crater]

Any speculation mine is that we need it to change deep docks so we can get something buried in the lava

[spark valve]

💀

[lusty sorrel]

Stating something and believing it are different things

[spark valve]

Ok what are the points

Also that’s uh not generally how saying things works

[sinful nimbus]

Why would you say something you don't believe...

[lusty sorrel]

You can argue about something you don’t believe?

[lapis creek]

are you saying mossbag doesnt believe it's a prequel or are you saying you dont believe mossbag made good points

[spark valve]

The claim was he made good points

[lapis creek]

im wondering which statement we are trying to separate from the associated belief

[sinful nimbus]

You claimed he made good points but you don't actually believe that?

[lusty sorrel]

Yes

[sinful nimbus]

That seems a bit dishonest

[spark valve]

I mean it’s just backpedaling

Just say what the points are

[lapis creek]

but how can he say something he doesnt believe

[spark valve]

The best one pick the best one

[real crater]

Just one pls

[lapis creek]

oh wait i forgot

[lusty sorrel]

The weavers not being in hk may state that they go to hallownest after they were freed from farloom

bec they wouldnt go willingly to a place they were clearly hunted

[spark valve]

That’s a terrible point we’ve already been over it

[lapis creek]

thats also not what mossbag said iirc

but thats ok i just want to make that clear

[lusty sorrel]

Yrriw

[spark valve]

That also obliterates any way for the citadel to even know she exists to go hunt her down

And means she can’t have learned her techniques from them etc

[lusty sorrel]

How do you know it is planned?

[real crater]

It is the kidnapping of hornet was planned

[lapis creek]

i wouldnt put it past the citadel to be clairvoyant or something but yeah the weavers did train hornet initially

[spark valve]

You’re right they were just wandering around in the wastes with a big cage specifically designed to contain her when they just HAPPENED to find Hallownest and grab her that makes sense

[lusty sorrel]

hornet ran from the citadel in the beginning maybe?

[real crater]

The only people we know are clairvoyant to some degree are wyrms

[lusty sorrel]

you can have many speculations

[lapis creek]

where do we begin with this

[spark valve]

The idea that this is remotely a good point is comical

[foggy fractal]

me pondering if this guy is trolling or being fr

[lapis creek]

howd she get to the citadel

[real crater]

A mix of both probably

[foggy fractal]

does the 2025 demo start with the cutscene of the bugs carrying jornet and falling

[lapis creek]

yes

dont they fully show them carrying her out of hallownest

[real crater]

No iirc just the bridge scene

[lapis creek]

oh never mind it was just windy its not howling cliffs

[spark valve]

In any case postulating that she left Hallownest for no reason, went to Pharloom, decided it wasn’t for her and fled BACK across the wastes, then the citadel sent people to grab her and bring her back
It’s not worth entertaining

[lapis creek]

steam card also

shes never been to the citadel

[real crater]

Thoughts about this

[hearty tendon]

will hollow knight be in silksong

[real crater]

No

[hearty tendon]

the guy from hollow knight i forgot what they call him

[lusty sorrel]

No

Pure vessel?

[hearty tendon]

oh no

[lusty sorrel]

Or little knight

[hearty tendon]

like the hollow knight the guy you play as

[foggy fractal]

yes the knight

[lusty sorrel]

He dies in every scenario

[hearty tendon]

why

[real crater]

He won't be silksong cause he has no reason to be in skong

[lusty sorrel]

Not die die but loses his physical form ig?

Idk what happens to him in dream no more ending

[hearty tendon]

ahh idk i only played like half way thru

[vestal swan]

Rest in the abyss

[hearty tendon]

are you some kinda,,,, gear.....

[vestal swan]

No?

[lusty sorrel]

[hearty tendon]

well that name sure looks "solid"

[foggy fractal]

🥶 some sort.... metal gear.....

[lusty sorrel]

do you think silksong takes which ending as a base

[spark valve]

Any

[vestal swan]

None

[real crater]

All of them are canon

[lusty sorrel]

my guess would be dream no more

[lusty sorrel]

But in one of them she becomes a seal no?

[real crater]

Why not

[foggy fractal]

someone joker psa this guy

[lusty sorrel]

I mean she gets trapped in the black egg temple

[real crater]

Andy u wanna?

[foggy fractal]

?tag joker psa

[gleaming basin]

No tag joker found.

[real crater]

Info and jokerpsa together

[foggy fractal]

FUCK how do you do this

[real crater]

Tag info jokerpsa

[lusty sorrel]

What is joker tag

[foggy fractal]

?tag info jokerpsa

[gleaming basin]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[foggy fractal]

read this

[lusty sorrel]

Sure thx

[lusty sorrel]

Dont dreamers go to sleep tho

Idk “that” much about the hk lore

[next sable]

they go to sleep, but since we don't have access to the white bug thing, our only option is to kill them in the dream realm and they physically disappear, as noted by the dyno bot

like, it would have been nice to not kill them, but we legitimately have to. the dreamers clearly weren't aware of any other method of seal breaking anyways, as monomon went through a lot of effort just to bring quirrel back so that she could be physically accessed and killed by the knight

[viscid ridge]

Yo 3 days lets gooo

[gilded beacon]

No way it's already silktember

Time flies

[vapid gorge]

SHAW

[azure bear]

HAGALE

[exotic trellis]

That puts the sequel question to rest

[spark valve]

You would think

[exotic trellis]

Although it raises a lot of questions about Lace, if that bug was hers

[real crater]

I mean most people who talk about it haven't seen it

[exotic trellis]

True that

I think mossbag was on the money with the guess that Lace’s intentions are noble, but what exactly she is and what those intentions are is something I’m keen on finding out

[mighty oyster]

Her intentions are noble to a point maybe

[exotic trellis]

Yeah. I feel like she might be related to the Pale King or is some sort of Wyrm nobility even if she’s not explicitly related to him, and PK’s intentions weren’t exactly wholly altruistic

[mighty oyster]

[exotic trellis]

She could want to stop the Citadel caste because either she wants to rule Pharloom or she’s connected to someone who does

There’s also the Steel Assassins pursuing Hornet who are beholden to unknown “masters”, so there could be a massive power struggle at the center of the story

[real crater]

I feel like the masters will not be that central to the story it might be a small part in the main story but have a bigger side arc that's optional

[exotic trellis]

Could be. I doubt they’re benevolent, though, either way. It’d be a neat way to tie the two games together without overtly relying on the narrative of HK

[real crater]

Yeah hornet and weavers are good enough we don't really need more links to hk considering ss is a spin offf

[exotic trellis]

I think it’s a sequel but a non-traditional one. Building out the world while separating the narratives and keeping Hallownest’s mysteries (and the mysteries of the world outside these kingdoms) intact.

Like I said in the Discussion thread earlier, Ari was inspired by Angel’s Egg, which is a film that just plain didn’t bother to explain itself. It was content to leave the state of its world and the meaning of things up to the audience. Seems to be TC’s strategy and I love that

[real crater]

Yeah this type of world building really works for hk games and allows us to engage with the lore of the games and it might be a sequel might not we don't have definitive ingame evidence yet

[exotic trellis]

It’s gonna be fun to find out

[real crater]

Yeah for sure the lore digging in the early days will be fun

[exotic trellis]

Not that this is necessarily lore so much as building anticipation but I’m excited to see how they hint at the final boss

Getting little hints about The Radiance and seeing the statue at the top of Crystal Peak was unnerving

[real crater]

Yeah I hope it was like it was in hk it was so expected and unexpected

[spark valve]

Puppetmaster shit is probably a fakeout in some capacity

[real crater]

I mean it could be a secondary antagonist

[spark valve]

Totally

But that would be part of the fakeout, they’re not really the one pulling the strings so to speak

[exotic trellis]

I love when games do that. A lot of the Zelda games and Deltarune/Undertale did that kinda build and it was excellent

[real crater]

It really makes sense as a fakeout mid game boss who is kinda setup as the big bad but isn't the bbeg

[exotic trellis]

The one controlling the threads is almost definitely not the true villain, I agree

[midnight zinc]

What why would she be connected to the pale king

[exotic trellis]

There’s nothing specific that says she is, just her look, attitude and motif remind me of the White Palace

[midnight zinc]

Because she’s white?

Also I think if that were the case she’d mention it upon meeting hornet, considering hornet is the pale king’s daughter

[exotic trellis]

She’s got that sorta glowy affect that the White Palace royalty has

Honestly could be no connection, just fun conjecture

[midnight zinc]

So do the delicate flowers and they have nothing to do with the king

[exotic trellis]

Could be keeping it a secret for some reason

[midnight zinc]

If the pale king is even mentioned in the game at all, it’ll probably be by hornet when interacting with the weavers

[exotic trellis]

You’re likely right

[midnight zinc]

Or maybe the people who ordered her capture, I can’t imagine they don’t know what she is

[exotic trellis]

They have to, although if their interest is because she’s the Pale King’s child or Herra’s (or both, hell) is my question

[midnight zinc]

In fact I’m pretty certain her relationship to him is why she was captured, if her half wyrm nature wasn’t important I’m not sure why else she’d be captured, it’s what makes her more powerful and significant than any weavers.

[midnight zinc]

I doubt Herrah is that important, she wasn’t a weaver, just the de facto ruler of Deepnest after the king died. Again I bet the only characters who will care about her are the weavers themselves, not anyone in the citadel

[exotic trellis]

Good point

[midnight zinc]

That does bring up an interesting idea, as to whether the dead king is important at all. It’s mentioned in such an offhand way by Midwife, and considering this game was supposed to be a dlc, I think it’s possible there was a plan to explain what happened to him and how Herrah became the queen. Who knows, maybe the king was a weaver.

[exotic trellis]

There's been a lot of theorizing that a Weaver King/Lord/God of some kind is involved in this story, which wouldn't surprise me

[midnight zinc]

I don’t get the vibe that they weavers were created by a god the same way that Unn made the mosskin or the radiance made the moths, but I could be wrong

But Pharloom’s Folly is very interesting to me, obviously it parallels the Elegy of Hallownest, addressed to the Pale King, so is it referencing a specific character, like Hornet or a weaver king, or is it just about the weavers in general?

I don’t think it would be about hornet since she’s never been to Pharloom

BUT that could be the interesting fake out, it’s not a rule that the poem has to have been written before the events of the game like the Elegy

[exotic trellis]

The instant I saw that poem it set my mind on fire, I'm very curious to see who it's addressing

[real crater]

Probably the fallen king or the final boss

[midnight zinc]

And I hope we meet the conductor like we meet Monomon

[real crater]

We most prob will

[exotic trellis]

God the next three days are gonna be torture lol

[real crater]

Hibernate through em

[exotic trellis]

I would if I didn't have classes

They're cool classes, at least, for once I have an entirely film-driven semester lol

and I can finish up my final HK run in the leadup to release

[tawdry flare]

Halfway through today and I just woke up 🥱

[rocky flare]

how can i unsee this

[real crater]

Use some cat vids

[silent shadow]

It would be cool if you could fight the knight

[spark valve]

would it tho

[midnight zinc]

Yeah no fun ideas allowed

[real crater]

Correct fighting the knight is not fun

[midnight zinc]

Sometimes I forget not everyone in this server speaks English as a first language

[thick canyon]

I strongly belive that end game hornet will have no match with end game knight

[spark valve]

She’ll lose it and it wouldn’t be close

[real crater]

I really hope there are no power scaling hate those so much

[spark valve]

I mean it’s not even weird powerscaling bs she’s just not gonna get stronger than the knight

[real crater]

Makes sense that a demigod would not be as strong as a god

[midnight zinc]

We have no idea what power Hornet will have at the end of the game. I don’t think it’s likely she could surpass the void heart but I guess we’ll see. The VH is a very specific type of power, and we know the void isn’t unstoppable given the delicate flower’s existence

[sinful nimbus]

DF doesn't prove anything though

Unless you want to postulate it wiped out all void in existence it probably didn't affect much

[midnight zinc]

I never said it wiped out all the void. But it impeded it more than any other force in the game we’ve seen. Also the moulds in the WP aren’t affected by the VH so there’s ways to override its control. Like I said it’s not unstoppable.

In all seriousness, yeah the knight won’t show up, and they wouldn’t fight even if it did.

[sinful nimbus]

Honestly the moulds are probably gameplay

[eternal gazelle]

I disagree

[midnight zinc]

Though I’m still hopelessly holding onto the chance that not only will we get more fully animated cutscenes, but we might get some flashbacks to Hornet’s childhood.

[eternal gazelle]

voidheart only controls void that isn't already being influenced by something else

the vessels and kingsmoulds are immune because their shells exert control and the collector is immune because of its weird bullshit with the love key bug

[sinful nimbus]

In the case of THK with the infection yeah but I don't believe essence would override the void mind or anything

[eternal gazelle]

why not? That's kind of what it was meant to do in the first place

"Void, harness shall be placed on you" and all that

[sinful nimbus]

Well yes but its not like the mind of the void is obliterated entirely or like the essence doesn't interact with the void mind at all

[sinful nimbus]

Anyway circling back to this even if it wasn't gameplay its not like all the void can be imprinted at once anyway

[midnight zinc]

This is kind of an irrelevant distinction. The point I was making was that the VH can’t control the moulds, meaning its control over the void isn’t absolute and can be combated by theoretically weaker beings.

[sinful nimbus]

And what I was saying is that is gameplay

Said weaker beings couldn't really combat LoS in any meaningful capacity just by imprinting the void

[midnight zinc]

And that’s bullshit. The shades attacking the knight is gameplay, it’s part of the corpse run mechanic, and yet that’s undone by the VH. It’s not like the moulds are integral to the WP gameplay loop. Them not being controlled by the Voidheart isn’t an arbitrary decision.

[midnight zinc]

Yeah I mean Hornet would get obliterated in a straight fight, no arguments there

[sinful nimbus]

They are intended as minibosses to have them completely immobile would not be very fun

[midnight zinc]

That’s such a non argument. Completely arbitrary to say it’s lore relevant that the shades are controlled but the moulds aren’t relevant. The fact is that the VH controls the shades and nothing else in the game, if you want to prove that it’s not a lore relevant distinction then you’re gonna have to say more than “it would be less fun”. The abyss is a lot less fun without real enemies too.

[sinful nimbus]

I did say more

Its implied void minds are interconnected on some level (Even imprinted ones) and the Knight is just unifying them and taking lead with Void Heart

[midnight zinc]

Again, that’s completely irrelevant. Regardless of whether the void in the moulds is connected to the VH or not, its control can’t override the imprinting of the PK. Hence, there are ways to control or subdue the void, even once the knight controls it.

This isn’t about whether or not the void in the moulds is connected to the VH, it’s about the fact that the moulds’ imprinting isn’t overridden by the VH regardless.

[sinful nimbus]

Its not irrelevant because it gives us insight into the mechanisms of void heart and therefore good reason to assume imprinted beings aren't exceptions

[midnight zinc]

…except they are, because they’re not controlled by the Voidheart

[sinful nimbus]

In gameplay yeah

[midnight zinc]

Again, not an argument

[sinful nimbus]

When gameplay doesn't align with lore its not considered canon

[midnight zinc]

Except it doesn’t contradict the lore.

[sinful nimbus]

.

Its not like imprinted void thinks fundementally differently to unimprinted void the entire point of Void Heart is accepting the void mind inside TK

[midnight zinc]

Respawning isn’t canon because characters clearly don’t react to respawning, and there’s no plausible explanation for how it’s even possible. This isn’t that. The VH unites the void under a single will, but there’s another force working counter to the void’s mind, the PK’s imprint, we’re explicitly told that in his workshop. That’s an explanation given directly by the game. Completely different from respawning.

[sinful nimbus]

I never even mentioned respawning idk what you're on about

Imprints don't work counter to the voids mind

[midnight zinc]

You’re right hold on

[midnight zinc]

And yet they do. Huh.

[sinful nimbus]

Guy who has never gotten void heart

[midnight zinc]

Crazy coming from someone who hasn’t gotten the awakened dream nail

[sinful nimbus]

I struggle to see how ADN proves anything you are saying tbh

[midnight zinc]

But giving you the benefit of the doubt, you said this, that’s why respawning is a relevant comparison. It’s the biggest example of gameplay contradicting lore, so it’s not canonical. As I’ve said maybe half a dozen times, moulds not being controlled by the VH is not comparable because the only thing that is slightly contrary to it is the VH description, but again this is clearly explained by the tablet in the workshop. The VH controls the mind/will of the void in the moulds, but the imprint of the PK is still in control of the physical form.

[sly skiff]

What are you arguing here

[sinful nimbus]

The mechanisms and description of VH mean void would probably take priority

And I didn't know we were taking PK's assumptions of how Void worked at face value

[midnight zinc]

And yet it doesn’t. I literally just explained that it’s two different types of control.

[midnight zinc]

Because of what we’re shown in the game

[sinful nimbus]

Are you claiming the essence is responsible for how the void moves and not... the void itself?

Idk where to begin with that

[midnight zinc]

Starpengu is saying that the moulds not being controlled by the Voidheart is purely gameplay, I’m saying that’s a completely unfounded claim and the VH description isn’t proof of anything because of what the king’s workshop tells us. This conversation started as something about a theoretical Hornet vs shade lord fight.

[exotic trellis]

Would love to get some animated cutscenes

Or an animated short of some kind

[midnight zinc]

This conversation made me hungry, I’m going to noodles and company, bye 👋

[exotic trellis]

I feel like they'd have to, right? The Kingsmoulds are Void constructs

[exotic trellis]

Damn it now I want noodles

[spark valve]

They shouldn’t go overboard with that, HK uses them sparingly which makes the ones it has more memorable. Have we learned nothing from half life?

[exotic trellis]

Oh yeah, I don't want them to overload it...but a couple would be nice

[sinful nimbus]

Noodles and company is so peak

[spark valve]

We have intro and last judge ones, probably multiple endings, not sure there should be too many more

[sinful nimbus]

Half life just has minutes of monologues instead

[exotic trellis]

Fair. God I can't wait for that Last Judge fight

[spark valve]

The start is rough

[exotic trellis]

Why has this priest been yelling at me for twenty minutes? Weird

[sinful nimbus]

He gets a pass

[exotic trellis]

True

[sly skiff]

Last judge feels like a very important boss

[rancid river]

Indeed it does. As well as the rest of the "scholarly suite"

[exotic trellis]

IIRC mossbag guessed he's who you face before entering the Citadel

[spark valve]

doubt it he seems like he's in the cidatel itself

[exotic trellis]

Could be the lower levels of it

[rancid river]

If I can put on my speculation goggles for a moment, I think he'll be an optional boss for the "true" ending. Given his vibe and arena .. I'm not sure!! I have literally no reason to believe this other than some design vibes and some TC vagueposting, but I think it'll be fun if it's true haha

[exotic trellis]

Would they show him off if that was the case, though? I think they’re holding a lot of cards close to the chest prior to release regarding critical path stuff

[rancid river]

Probably true haha. The speculation goggles weigh heavy on the head of the guy who just makes things up lol
Either way, TLJ and the "scholarly suite" seem important for... Something in regards to the citadel, and maybe some ending or lore stuff. That one bishop-looking shadowy figure we see a couple of times definitely piques my interest in regards to lore

[exotic trellis]

Oh no doubt. Everything about the Citadel and anything related to it raises so many questions

[rancid river]

Definitely!! I'm so excited to get my grubby little hands on the game myself and learn about it. I'm actually planning on keeping a journal to jot down my thoughts and theories so I can keep em organized and.. y'know... Also actually remember em

[exotic trellis]

Yeah I like doing that as well

This kinda stuff also inspires my own writing, abstractly, so it’ll be nice to appreciate some good art and storytelling in a couple days lol

[rancid river]

Yesss so true!! Silksong already looks so gorgeous. My first playthrough is going to be, like, 100+ hours just because I'm gonna stand around staring at all the backgrounds lol

[exotic trellis]

That’s 100% my plan. I’ve put a couple other games I want on the back burner to give this one my time for a while

[vivid kernel]

Guys hear me out what if we are the final boss in silksong

[spark valve]

would not make very much sense to have a fight dependent on carrying enough self damage tools in to be able to deplete your own health

[exotic trellis]

Shadow Hornet lol

[midnight zinc]

That’s just Phantom

[midnight zinc]

Got chicken parm, made my day

[exotic trellis]

Hell yeah

[vivid kernel]

No like the hollow Knight

[exotic trellis]

I doubt the Knight (or the Hollow Knight) is going to show up in any capacity beyond maybe a brief reference

[midnight reef]

They might be referened, at best

[spark valve]

it would be a very very bad decision to have either character return

[placid pollen]

what about zote

[exotic trellis]

I don’t think we’re going to see any returning characters outside of Hornet and that’s perfectly fine. This is a different kingdom and a different story.

[exotic trellis]

There’s a new character who I think Ari hinted is the new comedy character. I think they’re supposed to be an actor?

[placid pollen]

good enough

[midnight reef]

Probably Trobbio?

[exotic trellis]

Yeah

[placid pollen]

wait what about the noo(?) thingy

is that also like

a joke character

[spark valve]

there are multiple comedic characters

[midnight reef]

I cant remember where I heard this anymore, I think Mossbags most recent video said that his first fight is ment to show him not being very bright/good at combat

[exotic trellis]

I think that’s a kid with a crush and Team Cherry is going to rip our hearts out with them

I just get a funny feeling

[placid pollen]

oh

[spark valve]

he's just saying that though there's no reason to think that's the case

[midnight reef]

it was an interview with TC, I thought

but I wouldnt be shocked, to be honest

[spark valve]

the description from their blog calls him "Master of the Stage, the Brush[,] and the Voice"

[midnight reef]

if he just pulled it out've his ass*

[spark valve]

like the most you could use to say he's a comic relief character is that he's called flamboyant but that doesn't really have any implications for his competency

[midnight reef]

yeah

[exotic trellis]

It would be really funny if he was a bumbling idiot but all his attacks did two masks of damage and were a bastard to dodge lol

[midnight reef]

yeah, it is

doesnt provide a link to the source, though
just "Ari Gibson said"

"Rounding out the list is Trobbio. According to his Steam trading card he’s a haughty thespian convinced that only dazzling performance can raise Pharloom from the throes of death. According to Ari Gibson, he’s going to make a grand entrance onto the stage, utterly convinced of his own brilliance, and will then proceed to do a lot of stupid things. Needless to say, Trobbio will be a top tier boss fight."

[spark valve]

I uh don't trust him to accurately relay information

[midnight reef]

what'd he do?

[spark valve]

just sort of generally not be a good source of information

[midnight reef]

mixing thoughts and opinions in with facts?

[spark valve]

I don't trust his interpretations of things to be accurate

[midnight reef]

without clearly differentiating them

[exotic trellis]

You don't trust Ari Gibson

[spark valve]

no I don't trust mossbag to accurately relay information from ari gibson

[exotic trellis]

oh I was about to say lol

mossbag is fun to watch but he's definitely been off the mark

[midnight reef]

god, I was just watching a bunch of random crap on YT last knight when a short for "whats the most likely ending of Silksong" came up

They IMMEDIATELY discounted sealed siblings, and then ended with saying ETV with flower was most likely because it'd leave hornet free to explore pharloom

[spark valve]

[midnight reef]

...im pretty sure they uh
havent seen the intro cinematic to Silksong

at all, because for one, Hornet isnt exploring Pharloom willingly??

[spice tinsel]

wait, how is there SS lore already?

[gentle aspen]

I got that same short

[spark valve]

this is such a weird misconception to be so ubiquitous, the idea that there has to be a 'true ending' wrt silksong

[gentle aspen]

it was very incorrect

[spark valve]

it's not like games with multiple endings that have sequels usually do this

[midnight reef]

yeah... I even mentioned the JokerSPA in my comment XD

[exotic trellis]

I think every ending is going to be a valid lead-in. They're not gonna specify when this is taking place, how far removed from the events of the first game it is, and I doubt they'll do more than reference anything about Hallownest or the events of the first game in more than a cursory way.

Think Mad Max. They all take place in the same world, the same setting, but they're almost entirely removed from one another beyond a general setup and the state of the world they take place in

[gentle aspen]

It’s not that I don’t believe you but I don’t actually have examples of this off the top of my head

aside from vaguely botw

[rancid river]

I am a bit out of the loop... Is there a popular explanation for how Sealed Siblings could be canon? Obviously there has to be one as TC said all endings are equally canon, but I can't really wrap my head around it 🤒

[spark valve]

?tag jokerpsa

[gleaming basin]

No tag jokerpsa found.

[gentle aspen]

?tag info jokerpsa

[gleaming basin]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[gentle aspen]

lmfao

[spark valve]

hush you have an unfair advantage

[gentle aspen]

I wonder how many views this clip has

Glorious but less than I thought

[exotic trellis]

As Dyno helpfully said, the seal bug during the opening cutscene

[rancid river]

Ahh I see.. anybody have any ideas on the implications of who would've sent that?

[spark valve]

or just something similar, or some vulnerability the weavers knew about that they could've been compelled to disclose

[exotic trellis]

Lace has some similar looking bugs that accompany her

[gentle aspen]

Probably Lace

her dialogue is like “imma fucking murder you so you don’t get got” and she conducts the exact same bugs in her first fight

[spark valve]

I doubt it

[edgy stone]

Just finished hk again and I kinda hope silksong makes events harder to miss

[sinful nimbus]

How dare

[spark valve]

well she sent it in the intro cutscene but probably not to hallownest

[sinful nimbus]

ohh yeah

[edgy stone]

With the freedom of hollow knight some character specifics can be missed like hornet at herrahs side

[sinful nimbus]

Citadel probably brought em they are her captors after all

[sinful nimbus]

I like this, makes each playthrough feel personal

[gentle aspen]

I believe that is what they were referring to

Not in Hallownest

anyways question

[spark valve]

they could have but I'm pointing out alternatives in case they turn out to be unique to whatever faction

[gentle aspen]

do you think that anti citadel forces were well known

because if so the citadel is kinda stupid

[spark valve]

lace doesn't seem like the subtle type

[rancid river]

Interesting... I did know about her conducting the butterflies (I have used it as a way to "canonify" Lace x Hornet [as a joke]) but this implication is... fascinating. Her allegiances and motivations are unknown as of right now, yes? I'm excited to learn what's up with her as a character. You fight her twice, like Hornet in the OG, so obviously something's up with her, story-wise

[gentle aspen]

“Hmm lets bring an important captor in a seal when there’s opps pulling up with the sbb”

[eternal gazelle]

idk, if we assume she's responsible for the bridge incident then she's able to attack remotely, and she might have only been so brazen with hornet because she was sure she'd win (L)

[spark valve]

"Manic fencer who delights in battle" is not somebody I'd recruit to my top secret organization and expect it to stay particularly secret for long

[rancid river]

Maybe they recruited her because of her strength more than anything else? She does seem to be pretty intelligent and battle-ready

[eternal gazelle]

that's true but keep in mind this is an anime

[spark valve]

sure but if they're completely unknown to the citadel she seems like a liability unless they don't care about staying that way

[spark valve]

I guess

[rancid river]

How do we know about this anti citadel force btw.. I'm a bit out of the loop

Is it just implications with Lace?

[spark valve]

well Lace is certainly in opposition, as is Seth... though they aren't necessarily connected

[eternal gazelle]

yeah, she implies she's just trying to kill hornet so she won't be used for whatever purpose got her kidnapped

that would explain why she backs off after a sufficient show of strength

[rancid river]

I don't know much about Seth. I avoided discussions of the riddles because the characters are my favorite parts and I was weary of spoilers. From what I know it seems like he's protecting Citadel secrets? I might be wildly misinformed because as I said I avoided the riddles

[spark valve]

might just be a hornet 1 case where she wasn't expecting a real fight and retreats before she gets killed

[gentle aspen]

honestly I just ask if it exists at all
and if it does is it known to the people of Pharloom and/or the Citadel

[spark valve]

he's protecting secrets at the base of the citadel but is protecting them from the caste, he's killed a bunch of them

[rancid river]

Iii see... The bug corpses in that area are very reminiscent of Citadel members so that makes sense

[spark valve]

Many of the Citadel’s caste have fallen to this deadly warrior. Those who encounter him should turn back, or else prepare for a vicious battle.

[sinful nimbus]

Is that where the name citadels caste comes from

[gentle aspen]

Yes

[sinful nimbus]

wtf

Anyway I bet he's got beef with the kitsune tbh

[rancid river]

Is there any theories on where the Seth arena is located? Obviously below the Citadel but I mean like ... Area-wise. It looks very unique, with the pallet and flowers and whatnot. Is it a sub-section of a larger area or an area on it's own? Any of this known?

[rancid river]

Kitsune? Again I apologize, I'm a bit malinformed 😔

[spark valve]

in the shellwood area

[sinful nimbus]

Phantom

[rancid river]

Ohh I see. Why are they called the kitsune?

[sinful nimbus]

-2 furry tails
-Probably supernatural
-Possibly undergoing metamorphosis
-Assuming the shape of Hornet/Lace
Phantom is a kitsune

[spark valve]

(star is the only one that calls them that)

[rancid river]

I apologize if I'm being annoying btw 😭 I'm just very excited

[sinful nimbus]

WHAT

[gentle aspen]

nah

[sinful nimbus]

You're all good

[gentle aspen]

channels like this enjoy inquisitive folk

[sinful nimbus]

inquisitive folk 😭

[gentle aspen]

unless your name is Star

then they don’t enjoy you

[spark valve]

wow joker firing shots

[sinful nimbus]

Its true I hate curiosity and questions 😔

Why can't people all come to my conclusion just by looking at Phantom

[spark valve]

molting > kitsune

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah molting into its new form

Kitsunes are shapeshifters so it aligns

[rancid river]

I have. Another question
What is... Nuu??? I have heard it around but have never seen anything related to it. Is this like... Something real?

[spark valve]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-slap-hornet-gif-12723730087844700947

that's nuu

[rancid river]

Ohhh the kissy bug

I just call them kissy bug

[sinful nimbus]

Susie Smoocher

[rancid river]

Are they likely to be anything important? Or just a joke character. Odd they got a steam card

[edgy stone]

Mr.smoocher

[sinful nimbus]

Seems like a joke character

[edgy stone]

Chances are they have a quest at least

Possible bretta type situation

[sinful nimbus]

Zote got a steam card too

[rancid river]

[spark valve]

I do think it's odd that nuu got a card over seth

[edgy stone]

Weird thing with nuu is that it seems like you find them much later than like zote

Zotes in the 2nd major area of the game but nuu seems to be all the way in greymoor

Which isnt like a final area or something but I bet good money it's like a few hours in

I must imagine nuu is going to have a full questlinr though

[rancid river]

"Find Nuu a girlfriend so they stop bothering you"

[sinful nimbus]

Bretta is found decently far in tbf

[rancid river]

Ehh? If you remember to go back to her with claw you can get her pretty early

[sinful nimbus]

That one adventure time episode where PB clones herself so some dude with a crush on her can leave her alone:

[edgy stone]

She is pretty hidden as well

You actively kinda have to look for her

Her area is at the very bottom of spore area

[rancid river]

True... Could've been trying to be like a reward for exploration. She's not much of a character though, and she only gives a mask shard

[sinful nimbus]

Bretta slander 💔

[edgy stone]

Nuu does seem easier to find thougj

If youre in greymoor you're most likely gonna find the halfway house

[rancid river]

Don't get me wrong I love Bretta!! They just didn't do much with her :( makes me sad

[sinful nimbus]

She has a whole arc and everything smh

[edgy stone]

She does have a quest albeit dmall

[rancid river]

Oh speaking of the Halfway House... Isn't that a weird name?? Is a Halfway House not like... A home for orphans? Any ideas about this?

[edgy stone]

Its more so like a rehabilitation fenter

Its getting people ready to live independent lives after incarceration or substance abuse

[rancid river]

Apologies... some wires must've gotten crossed haha. That's still a very odd name for a location in Silksong is it not? I wonder if we'll get anything about it

[sinful nimbus]

then why does it look like a bar

[spark valve]

it could just be a canteen

[rancid river]

It sorta reminds me of the Holy Grounds in the original Hollow Knight. I can't exactly explain it but like... That feeling of a location that just feels slightly out of place? I dunno. Just the vibes. It intrigues me in a way not much else about Silksong does. Just in a unique way, of course, everything about Silksong intrigues me

[olive stag]

yeah i felt that way too. though to be fair i also felt like that about many of the settlements in silksong

[edgy stone]

The name halfway house might not be related to halfway houses even if its unlikely

Could genuinely just sit in the middle of the kingdom but I doubt this interpretation

[rancid river]

I guess that could make sense... But Team Cherry is generally pretty deliberate with their wording, so I also doubt it

I dunno!! Just interesting to me. Can't explain why I've latched onto this specifically, it just kinda jumped out at me as odd and interesting. Looking forward to learning more when the game comes out haha

[olive stag]

right now i'm really obsessed about the steel assassins

[edgy stone]

It could be a halfway home refurbished into something else

[olive stag]

what do they want? why are they in pharloom? what does hornet have to do with all this?

[edgy stone]

The place looks absolutely massive though, I think the area weve seen of it might just be the lobby or way in

[rancid river]

Why are they in the coral forest? Lol

[spark valve]

well they're probably specifically hunting hornet

so wherever they are it's because she's there or because they're waiting for her to come there

[rancid river]

Oh shoot that makes a lot of sense

Why had I not considered that???

[olive stag]

this really boggles my mind. they don't look like they work for the citadel, yet they're hunting her all the same. why do so many people want her captured?

or dead

[spark valve]

wyrm blood might be enough

[random harbor]

Jinn - General - Listening after acquiring King's Brand

...A King, the tiny It becomes. Jinn knows that mark, but cannot bow.
Jinn's masters are other... minds other... Not order. Not order, they seek.

@tammo6424 used /npcs merchants name: Jinn category: General dialogue: Listening after acquiring King's Brand

[edgy stone]

They could be hired killers for the citadel

Or there is another faction looking to kill hornet

Which makes at least 3

Citadel, laces group and steel assasins if theyre unaffiliated with the previous 2

[olive stag]

i think if TC made them that visually distinct it has to have some reason. i doubt they'd be just mercs for the capital

[steep saddle]

Erm what do we thing of mossbags theory on the ss story

Think*

[olive stag]

less of a theory and more of a guess i think

but i heavily disagree with the "silksong is a prequel" part

[steep saddle]

I feel like the lines of silk connected to each enemy imply that they are being controlled also yeah it’s probably a sequel

[distant nest]

honestly my biggest fear with ss. Prequels usually leave a sour taste in my mouth because we will never get continuation to the events we saw (suffice to say exceptions exist, in which the prequel is so fun/good it doesn't matter where the story goes I.E: Revenge of the Sith)

but hk storyline with pantheon ending never got concluded so we just assume the world turned into void

or that the everbloom purified it idk

[sinful nimbus]

Mossbag believing prequel theory is the biggest evidence against prequel theory

[olive stag]

i think it's safer to assume the void just kinda dominated hallownest, nothing else

[distant nest]

[sinful nimbus]

A devastating blow to prequelists tbh

[sinful nimbus]

No?

[distant nest]

I mean, we saw the void expanding with no ending in sight no?

[gentle aspen]

No

You saw void leaving the dream realm

as it does in dream no more

[sinful nimbus]

First of all the void is under the control of The Knight who isn't malicious, but even if it wasn't, void has a natural tendency to recede downwards away from conflict

Yeah its more or less the same as in DNM except we never see the void going back to rest because TC decided THK and Hornet looking at eachother was more important

[distant nest]

oh yeah mb, my memory failed me

but if I had to guess, if ss is a sequel then they would pick up on dream no more

[steep saddle]

Would make more sense for ss to be a sequel because if it was a prequel wouldn’t hornet have had like crazy abilities when fighting the knight

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah I agree its a sequel

[steep saddle]

It would make sense that she got captured right after one of the endings where the radiance gets destroyed

[sinful nimbus]

Though its also a spinoff story so idk why they'd choose a specific ending (And they evidently haven't, judging from the opening of the game)

[steep saddle]

Only three make sense based off of the intro

[vestal swan]

All 4 do

Sealed makes her easier to catch

[steep saddle]

Erm but how would the cultist guys open the black egg

They don’t seem that strong honestly since they got folded by a bridge collapsing

[vestal swan]

In the trailer a tiny little fly breaks the seal on the cage, aside from that brute force or another method we don't know about yet

[steep saddle]

That probably was lace

[sinful nimbus]

What a coincidence, there are only 3 endings

[vestal swan]

Banned for trying to control history

[sinful nimbus]

[vestal swan]

ETV is the best

[steep saddle]

I mean yeah but whatever the case is we will see in two tomorrows or three

[sinful nimbus]

Yes but it means Pharloom has seal breaking flies in it

[vestal swan]

Regardless of who you think did it, methods that we don't know about for breaking seals exist which means they could break her out of the egg and steal her asleep

[verbal hill]

BRO how is there a ss lore channel if game isnt even out yet

[vestal swan]

I don't expect it to follow an ending either, but I like etv no flower best

[sinful nimbus]

Or the seals could break on their own when TK yields to Rad

[vestal swan]

Wait till you hear how long the other channel existed....

[steep saddle]

I doubt the black egg seal would be broken by a fly considering how the knight had to literally enter the minds of dreamers and kill them to open it in the first place

[vestal swan]

Different methods that is the point

TK was using a magic crowbar to go around the seals not break them

[verbal hill]

what lore are yall even discussing about

[vestal swan]

Other kingdoms and other magic users could have any number of methods to break seals and undo magic

[sinful nimbus]

There's been about 6 years of lore breadcumbs

[exotic trellis]

Speculation based on what we’ve seen and things in relation to Hollow Knight lore

[sinful nimbus]

From trailers, character riddles, blogposts, edge magazine, etc

[steep saddle]

I mean if it’s a prequel none of this matters but I feel like the simplest answer may be the correct one in this situation

[sinful nimbus]

At the moment though this channel is just "Is Sharpe Void", "WTF is phantom" and "Is it a prequel or sequel"

[vestal swan]

It's not a prequel

[verbal hill]

do u think i can beat ss in 3 days? if i play like 12h a day or so

game seems pretty full of content i mean

i wanna try and rush it cause my gamepass subscription ends sept7 and i cant buy ss

[vestal swan]

I'm going to do the completionist route and stream it without looking at my chat at all, will probably take me a few days

[sinful nimbus]

Probably

Powdered is a STREAMER?

[vestal swan]

Not a successful one

[sinful nimbus]

What the devils?

[steep saddle]

Still unconfirmed but sequel makes the most sense

[runic musk]

An incredibly tiny one but yes it seems.

[vestal swan]

I basically only stream because it's easier to save my vods and export them to YouTube that way

[runic musk]

I dont stream because I tend to take breaks often

[steep saddle]

Oh I’m gonna be avoiding YouTube and stuff like the plague until I do everything in silksong

[verbal hill]

its what makes the most sense but tbh could be both. ig we'll have to wait and see

[dark rune]

the steam description calls it a sequel

[verbal hill]

in the trailers i didnt see any sort of infection coming out of enemies (correct me if wrong), which would mean ss takes place after the infection is terminated, hence its a sequel

[steep saddle]

It’s in another kingdom though so the radiance may not have had influence over it

[dark rune]

the infection was as far as we know just in hallownest

[verbal hill]

thats true

[dark rune]

idk why its up for debate when the steam description literally calls it a sequel tho

[steep saddle]

We know that other higher being exist (nightmare heart) so would it be a stretch to assume that another higher being is present in pharloom

[steep saddle]

Did team cherry write the description or was it steam

[verbal hill]

damn ur right.

[dark rune]

it says "face over 200 enemies" which i dont think steam would know

[exotic trellis]

Yeah I’m glad I have two days off work and class to just…play

[steep saddle]

Fair

However that was in the trailer though lol

[verbal hill]

xbox description says the same so

[steep saddle]

I mean I’m hoping it’s a sequel as the lore gets more interesting then because team cherry has to choose a canon hk ending (unless they don’t idk)

[exotic trellis]

It’s a sequel but I doubt it’s a terribly connected sequel. Takes place in the same setting, shares a character, but that’s it

[verbal hill]

omg i love it, instead of going down this time we gotta go up to the kingdom's peak

[exotic trellis]

Well, different kingdom, same world

[dark rune]

prequel is possible but any flaws about how it would be a sequel have answers

[verbal hill]

we def need a canon ending, regarding both the hk and hornet

[steep saddle]

Well it depends how the cultist citadel guys were able to capture hornet, like did they ambush her after the dream no more ending or something else

[verbal hill]

cause why does it say she was captured

who captured hornet and why

[steep saddle]

It would be funny if the hk showed up in silksong for some reason but I doubt it

[dark rune]

sealed siblings can be cannon because hornet is herrah's daughter and protector of the kingdom, so she might know somet things about breaking and making seals

[grizzled wing]

did u see the trailer

[verbal hill]

ues but im stupid

[grizzled wing]

some guys did

they r so evil

[verbal hill]

gotta hate those guys fr

[dark rune]

and its all because not every player kills menderbug

[steep saddle]

Eh the simplest answer may be the most likely in this situation, the stuff with the dreamers seemed pretty permanent unless they were killed

[verbal hill]

i pray there is at least an easteregg about him or something similar

[steep saddle]

Hornet fights hk when

[grizzled wing]

KINGDOMS EDGE AREA

to the left

[exotic trellis]

The seal bug that breaks open the cage in the opening cutscene has been confirmed to be able to break the seal on the Black Egg Temple, meaning that essentially any ending can be canon leading into this story. Silksong also most likely isn’t going to reference the original game much

[verbal hill]

I MEAN IF WE GOTTA GO TO THAT KINGDOMS PEAK YEAH THATD BE GREAT

[steep saddle]

Wait when

[verbal hill]

Omg imagine seeing radiance statue like far away

[exotic trellis]

#sk-lore message

[dark rune]

yeah, it's also possible that they went down into hallownest and retrieved hornet, but i find it more likely that hornet got herself out and went into the wastes

she might corrupt the knight by being in there for a long time

[exotic trellis]

I doubt she’d leave Hallownest willingly, since she’s dedicated to its protection

[steep saddle]

I mean I feel like that would require jumping through a few more hoops to make sense as the seals may be different to each other like the seal on her cage probably isn’t as powerful as the seal of a dreamer

[dark rune]

she was done protecting, the knight wasnt failing to contain the radiance

[steep saddle]

Yeah she got ambushed/caught off guard

I mean it doesn’t really matter which ending is canon I’m just looking forward to ss lol

[exotic trellis]

That’s why the fact that that seal bug even exists-and seems to belong to Lace- is so unnerving. Who that character is and what her deal is are gonna be central to the story I think

[exotic trellis]

Depending on the ending

[dark rune]

ETV she couldve seen the tendrils and been like "i gotta dip"

[steep saddle]

Is she the only one who can control them or? Because if she is then she would have had to have been in hallownest to break the seal on the black egg.

[exotic trellis]

And hey, even if the Radiance is defeated, it doesn’t mean there aren’t other threats to Hallownest. Lot of gods and monsters in this world

[exotic trellis]

That’s the big question

[dark rune]

she doesnt really acknowledge them, so i doubt she is concerned about them

lol i wonder how long it took hornet to visit dirtmouth

[steep saddle]

I mean the radiance was the main malicious threat, but I doubt she would have left willingly so it is likely that she was captured

[exotic trellis]

Well yeah, because the most pressing threat at the time is the Hollow Knight and the Radiance. Doesn’t mean she isn’t aware of other things beyond the safety of the kingdom

[grizzled wing]

hornet is gay

[dark rune]

dont feed the artists

[exotic trellis]

There’s hints that there have been threats to Hallownest beyond the Radiance, like that reference to the Battle of the Blackwyrm in the Hunter’s Journal

[grizzled wing]

win win

[steep saddle]

Oh yeah I forgot the wyrms are a think but badoon guy did say that not many are left in the world

Thing*

[exotic trellis]

That he knows of. Lotta unreliable narrators in Hallownest

[dark rune]

(i hope they are all wrong but) lots of people think blackwyrm was a place and not a wyrm

[exotic trellis]

Or at least, overconfident narrators, lol

[steep saddle]

He is one of the few in hallownest who can tell when they are being dreamnailed though

Which means they may be more perceptive than the average bug

[dark rune]

it couldve been a wyrm carcass

[exotic trellis]

Could be yeah

[dark rune]

how long after silksong releases do you guys think mossbag will make a lore video

[steep saddle]

Plus just because the wyrms are mostly gone doesn’t mean other higher beings don’t exist, I feel like there may be some puppet master type in pharloom given the strands of silk connected to enemies

[dark rune]

i give him 1 month

[exotic trellis]

He’ll probably let it cook for a bit

[spark rain]

Doesn't he have one out already?

[dark rune]

he just speculated on stuff

guessing as to the game's content

[spark rain]

A part of that was lore speculation too

I skipped the map part so i honestly don't know

[steep saddle]

We haven’t seen a good portion of the map honestly, as some areas were missing the size they were supposed to have

[dark rune]

let's say maskmaker lore video type video

[spark rain]

I'll try my best to piece together the lore myself this time around

[spark rain]

Yeah it seems we have only seen the starting few hours worth of map

[steep saddle]

The idea of silk milking stations in pharloom (hence the LOOM) is kind of crazy though

[spark rain]

They're silking it out alright

[dark rune]

if only matpat was still around, he could speculate that hornet was lace reincarnated

[spark rain]

🤣🤣

[steep saddle]

Yeah considering how team cherry mentioned how reaching the top of the citadel was hornets second goal means it must be a large area

[sinful nimbus]

RIP MatPat

[exotic trellis]

Didn’t he think that the Knight was actually the Pale King for some nonsense reason?

[spark rain]

Yeah this citadel seems to be a collection of more smaller areas. I initially thought it was going to be one giant city of tears type area.

[dark rune]

yeah, he said the pale king strategically reincarnated or something idk

[steep saddle]

Plus we haven’t seen areas to the right of docks and to the left of moss and it seems to go pretty far that way

[steep saddle]

How did bro come to that conclusion 😭

[dark rune]

idk but what i do know is that hornet is boid

[exotic trellis]

What-pardon me- the fuck lol

[dark rune]

[steep saddle]

Now now do not forget this is the guy who said sans is ness

[spark rain]

Yeah... Completely ignoring the path of pain and the birthplace cutscenes

[exotic trellis]

I…what? How?

[steep saddle]

It’s mat pat this can be expected of him

[dark rune]

out-of-body experience

💀

[exotic trellis]

Is his shtick being an idiot, or

[steep saddle]

Hey crazy theories serve as engaging content he was just farming the bag (even though the theories were obviously not any good)

[dark rune]

gornet is lloyd

[exotic trellis]

One way to make money I suppose

[steep saddle]

Oh yeah what area do we think looks the best based off of the trailers

[dark rune]

part of it ig is that he had to put out 4 theories so he couldnt spend that much time educating himself

[steep saddle]

I’m looking forward to wasting time finding fleas like I did with grubs in hk

[dark rune]

they matched the cuteness

[raven condor]

Which area bout to be better. Mining area, or mining area

[dark rune]

only sad part is "a flea!" doesnt have the same ring as "a grub!"

[dark rune]

both look like they have great atmosphere but i like mining area over Mining area

[raven condor]

And no satisfying jar smashing

[dark rune]

i hope theres one spot at least in silksong that matches the experience of sitting on quirrel bench and listening to ghost lady sing

[dark rune]

they should add a flea mimic just for the funny

[raven condor]

Probs gonna happen a couple times

[steep saddle]

@echo cape This was the original design supposedly it may have been changed

Sorry fire did not mean to reply to you

[raven condor]

Don’t give them ideas

[steep saddle]

Somebody else wanted this

[dark rune]

and a laughing crowd

and make it a 2 shot

[raven condor]

I realllllly want a Colo in Silksong

[steep saddle]

I mean your wish may be granted

Already

[raven condor]

It’s true. And it will be beautiful. I also really hope that the mixed reception of godhome doesn’t stop them from giving us a boss rush/ hall of gods

[exotic trellis]

The Marrow seems pretty cool, although the Citadel might be the best visually

[dark rune]

the city of tears soundtrack is simply like no other

[steep saddle]

Yeah, plus some areas we haven’t seen yet might be a thing

I’m looking forward to the multiple towns with quests, as it should serve to give more content

[dark rune]

ima like graymoor because rain and gray

[tawdry flare]

You’re right, it’s better

[dark rune]

pretty much mashes crossroads and city of tears

might be my two favorite areas

[dark rune]

we need skurry to name every flea

[steep saddle]

Hmm wait will we have a white palace/path of pain type area for platforming

The movement is a lot more advanced this time around so

[dark rune]

plot twist: silksong isnt the sequel to hollow knight, hollow knight is the prequel to silksong

[dark rune]

idk but based off stuff ive seen there might just be a higher level of platformer difficulty spread everywhere instead of one concentrated area of high difficulty

[rancid river]

Has there been much about the barnacle area? It interests me....

[steep saddle]

Not that much but it looks interesting

[raven condor]

Seems to be lightning based in some areas

[spark rain]

Probably near the water area

[verbal hill]

any hints about what those "spell like" abilities are

to me they seem like mere skills that might have a small cooldown between them rather than consume some sort of energy to be used

[spark rain]

[spark valve]

they work the same as spells, they consume silk which is basically the replacement for soul

[verbal hill]

cool

[crystal marsh]

TC has stated that they'd try and account for all endings in all future content, which includes SS

[verbal hill]

i pray the best for them, thats gotta be a whole lotta work

even mushroom guy ending..?

[graceful ruin]

He literally just has to appear in silksong once

[flat hearth]

2.5 days brothers. I can hardly believe it

[dark rune]

i just remembered the "oh boy, i cant believe it, blank, only blank days away, wow, this truly is a special occasion" girl

[verbal hill]

i hope we can kill him, i hate him.

[dark rune]

plot twist its nuu

[verbal hill]

hehehe i even made my very own custom bot that reminds me of it every 5 minutes

[verbal hill]

who the helly is nuu

[dark rune]

did you watch trailer

[flat hearth]

I feel like that would make time go by so slow

[graceful ruin]

Wyrms pull bugs into their thrall
Till ages pass and kingdoms fall
Shells and caps my fall to dust
But Mr mushroom readjusts

[verbal hill]

it keeps me so thrilled ngl

[verbal hill]

yeah but so many things went over my head

[dark rune]

pink guy that got slapped

[verbal hill]

ohh yeye that silly guy

[rancid river]

THATS MY STATUS LMAO

[dark rune]

LOL

[raven condor]

You vs the guy she tells you not to worry about.

[flat hearth]

Dude they really cooked on the polish. All the zones look soooo good now, way more vibrant colors

[edgy stone]

Do you think they fixed that fucked up cage lift

https://youtu.be/rrNhLRUFG8s?si=Egpf8kZHdcMZmJ84

[sage flame]

You guys think we will have bosses as hard as Pure Vessel and Grim in base Skong?

[obsidian quail]

probably

will hornet get a spiderman mechanic

and if not, why did tc drop the ball

[edgy stone]

The dlc bosses I feel like focused a lot more on rhythm and I think silksong is going to keep that up

[sage flame]

I hope so

[edgy stone]

Lile I think pure vessel is the best boss in the game because its rhythm and pattern is challenging but also incredibly fun to learn

And its also not any bullshit it feels fair

[sage flame]

Winged Nosk

[obsidian quail]

pure vessel is also my favorite boss

how does hornet not get a headache doing all those flips

[edgy stone]

My friend once called me over because he couldnt beat p4 due to pv

[obsidian quail]

does hollow knight seem darker or is it just me

[edgy stone]

Hes one of the onlt bosses I like replaying so Ive practically mastered his ass

Oh drom what weve seen silksong is not nearly as grim

[obsidian quail]

silksong doesn’t seem as dark

[sage flame]

Spider's brains are lodged in their skulls where the eyes press against it so that they can concentrate

[obsidian quail]

okay glad i’m not crazy

[sage flame]

Spiders can't get headaches

[obsidian quail]

i actually prefer HK in this regard

i’m glad SS has a different vibe though because it fits Hornet and why rehash

[edgy stone]

Silksong still seems to have a somberness in it but its not as melancholy as hollow knight from what we've seen

[obsidian quail]

my friend who i got into HK said he didn’t think the art direction in SS was as good as HK

i said i think that’s more just personal taste and HK had a very distinct vibe to it, especially with stuff like color palette and lighting

SS seems to be much livelier and vibrant

but Hornet is much livelier than the Knight so i think it fits her story

[edgy stone]

It makes sense

Hornet is not an awfully cheery character but she is moreso than the knight at least

Mainly due to the fact she is not a walking corpse

[obsidian quail]

yeah not cheery but definitely has more individual presence

i’m thinking of a synonym for passionate

i could just tell Hornet would feel so out place in HK’s atmosphere

[edgy stone]

Caring if talking about passion towards someone else and driven if passionate about something

[obsidian quail]

i’d say she’s the latter, like strong willed

[granite stump]

How so? I don't really see how it can be compatible since the ending implies ||hornets death||

[crystal marsh]

the ending does not imply that because it seems from a misreading of the relevant dialogue

she states that the temple's bindings will drain her if she enters the chamber, and while she mentions that intervening will risk her life, that does not necessarily imply death

[chrome reef]

well

[crystal marsh]

in fact her dying would contradict the temple making her a dreamer

[lusty sorrel]

we'll have harder ones imo

since ss boss fights will be faster

[lusty sorrel]

there is void in the cacoon when hornet dies

just like when pure vessel dies in godhome it leaves void particles

[vestal spruce]

Not sure if it's void though as void behaves more liquidy in hollow knight

[granite stump]

Right okay that does make sense, but then how does she get out if she's stuck inside the egg? From what the game tells us, the only way to access the egg is by essentially killing the dreamer by entering their dreams. The egg cannot be accessed otherwise, and since Hornet the dreamer resides within the egg itself, how do the pharloom people get her out?

[lusty sorrel]

yeah their physics actually seems different

[real crater]

?tag info jokerpsa

[gleaming basin]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgzlVc4LM4J6_DfuscZ4AaABCQ

No ending stops Hornet from being captured, and the ability to break seals with bugs from Pharloom makes Hornet being locked in the Black Egg not an issue. Dreamers also don’t die when sealed, we simply didn’t have the means to remove them without killing them.

[granite stump]

Oh, okay that makes sense
Thank u for informing me

[craggy smelt]

Been avoiding ss-lore to go in as blind as possible.
Going off hk discords entirely until the game's out to avoid spoilers.
But I'm looking forwards to talking about the lore with everyone!
Bye everyone, take care, bye! Be safe! Enjoy Silksong! We made it!

[lusty sorrel]

hope I did the same

still even if you got spoilers about regions there is so much to explore

[tawny wagon]

There's already discovered lore?

[real crater]

From the trailers and stuff we have some lore but of it's speculation

[gentle aspen]

It’s not void

[real crater]

It's probably just hornet molting

[midnight zinc]

Plenty of bugs have black shells/bodies, hornet has a black carapace.

[viscid ridge]

Hopefully not, if it turns out to be void the universe will implode

[lusty sorrel]

still we cant be %100 sure

[gentle aspen]

Yes you can

[lusty sorrel]

Explain yourself then

[wintry moss]

It doesn't make any sense for Hornet's corpse to be made of void. Hornet molting is just a better explanation

[lusty sorrel]

but in hk knights shadow connects to story at some point

when he dies his real form appears

[wintry moss]

Hornet isn't the Knight

[lusty sorrel]

I don't think hornets corpse is only plain cacoon

it should connect to story at some point

[fast pilot]

Not necessarily

[wintry moss]

There's probably some magic to it. She automatically sends out silk in all directions in her death animation, and this silk comes back and wraps up her and her currency. It could be explained in game and we just don't have info yet

[lusty sorrel]

yea just like when he kills bugs their strings point citadel

its entirely different but probably in hornets situation her dying animation might be connected to weavers

[verbal hill]

how does a bot know so much

[verbal hill]

Tho this makes me think, if hornet could've opened the black egg without the need of killing the dreamers why didn't she help us

could it be that se has a higher role of which we are not aware yet? or am i just trippin

[spark valve]

She couldn’t

The ability to do so existing somewhere doesn’t mean she can do it or even knows it’s possible

[real crater]

She's not the one breaking the seal on black egg

[verbal hill]

yeah im aware of that

[real crater]

Then why are u saying hornet is the one opening the black egg

[verbal hill]

could u break this into fortnite terms? if she could do it once she could've done it twice. Tho her not knowing its possible sounds even better

[verbal hill]

i didnt

[real crater]

This

[sinful nimbus]

She never did it in the past

[spark valve]

She… doesn’t do it once

[verbal hill]

In that message i never say hornet opens the black egg. if hornet could've opened the black egg (using the bug we see in the trailer) without us needing to kill the dreamers, why didnt she do it

[sinful nimbus]

She doesn't have the bugs

[spark valve]

She can’t do that why would she be able to do that

[verbal hill]

she breaks her seal in the trailer tho, or is it just a coincidence

[sinful nimbus]

That's not her doing

[verbal hill]

are we sure of that yet

[sinful nimbus]

Its probably Lace

[spark valve]

Could not more clearly not be her doing it

[verbal hill]

who the helly is lace

[real crater]

Hornet doesn't break the seal on the cage we know that the cage is actively suppressing her powers

[verbal hill]

hmmm

[wintry moss]

Boss we've seen in the trailers and demo

[sinful nimbus]

She's a bug seen conducting the seal breaking flies

[real crater]

https://tenor.com/view/lace-hollow-knight-silksong-gif-15280257970120631249

[verbal hill]

btw do we have like any sneak peak of how her skills work ingame? like ive seen the silk thing that works kinda like soul in hk but not sure how it works

[real crater]

There is demo footage and trailers

[slender shoal]

Hornet and little ghost are brothers

[eternal gazelle]

That's basically it, although the big difference seems to be that there's a larger number of skills to choose from than spells and you can only equip one at a time

Or potentially more depending on the crest

[inner prawn]

hit enemies, get silk, different abilities use different amounts of silk

[verbal hill]

kinda like step brothers? idk how to say in english

[real crater]

No hornet is a female and vessels don't have a concept of gender

[slender shoal]

Yes

[wintry moss]

Mossbag put out an hour long video where he goes into things like skills and tools that we've had revealed so far if you want to watch that

[sinful nimbus]

Half siblings

[verbal hill]

yeah thanks

[verbal hill]

i will, thanks!!!

[slender shoal]

And they will have a baby with autism

[verbal hill]

what the helly

[inner prawn]

The Knight already has autism, that's why it don't talk

[slender shoal]

Fr

[verbal hill]

u sure its not bc of the mask? it covers his little mouth

[inner prawn]

I'm making joke, lol

[verbal hill]

so am i

[slender shoal]

No he prob have autism

[sinful nimbus]

They don't wear a mask

[spark valve]

<@&283547423706447872> just this whole thing

[inner prawn]

Tammo the fun police

[verbal hill]

also, is hornet's head like a mask or just her head?

[spark valve]

just her head

[gentle aspen]

what am I reading

[slender shoal]

You think little ghost have autism?

[spark valve]

ah yes weird incest shit and ableism very fun

[gentle aspen]

that’s weird

You’re being weird

[slender shoal]

Sorry

[inner prawn]

There's no ableism going on, but we can drop it now

[gentle aspen]

?purge user 738466808746737785 15

Oh cool

[sinful nimbus]

No dyno

[gentle aspen]

thanks you shit bot

[flat totem]

Yeah dynos making people lose aura rn

[real crater]

Dyno is down for everyone I checked on another server as well

[slender shoal]

Is that me?😭

[mint dragon]

🙏

[verbal hill]

yes it is

[wintry moss]

A bad workman blames his tools

[verbal hill]

i love how ur name says ask for godhome tips. best godhome tip is quit at p3

[slender shoal]

Why there is a lore channel if cant cant discuss the mental lore of the main character

😡

[gentle aspen]

I think it’s quite obvious to not discuss incest or be ableist but whatever

[verbal hill]

i mean, why doesnt he make any sounds if all the other bugs and stuff do

[verbal hill]

i think calling such comments ableists is a little too much but whateber u say

[gentle aspen]

they do make sounds
they don’t talk cuz they weren’t taught how

[inner prawn]

They have no mouth but they must scream

[gentle aspen]

And they weren’t expected to speak anyways

[verbal hill]

holy moly

[inner prawn]

idk if void can talk

[wintry moss]

There's a reason why it doesn't make sound and you should ask it in #hk-lore without bringing up autism or incest

[real crater]

The vessels expect for thk were just abandoned down in the abyss no one could have really taught them how to speak

[eternal gazelle]

No I'm pretty sure they're physiologically incapable of speech

[inner prawn]

Actually nevermind, the Collector makes sounds

[slender shoal]

Well if wanna hide the facts

[verbal hill]

seeing this character, im guessing the void will have a great role in ss too?

[spark valve]

there's not much reason for that to be the case

[eternal gazelle]

When pure vessel tries to scream, it's so silent that it causes a dampening effect

[wintry moss]

Oh is that what that's supposed to be

[real crater]

Why would lace be void?

[inner prawn]

Look at the Collector's laughing

[verbal hill]

im seeing void in her chest?

[fossil swift]

I thought you were a mod that got demoted wtf

[inner prawn]

that's a gif someone made up, there's nothing indicating she's void in-game that we've seen

[slender shoal]

He was trying to scream “SILKSONG IS REAaal”

[verbal hill]

could be petroleum too but i think her biggest enemy would be the US govt if that were the case

[wintry moss]

No im just being dumb lmao

[real crater]

That's not ingame btw that was just something to show u what lace looked like

[high violet]

because the colour black is ALWAYS indiciative of void

[verbal hill]

or petroleum

[high violet]

this is true and factual

[inner prawn]

Hornet is petroleum

[high violet]

hornet is most definitely petroleum

[verbal hill]

[real crater]

No that was my fault I sent a fan art in the video it actually looks like void I was too lazy to go Google lace

[high violet]

this is SUCH a cool animation omg

cant believe Lace is filled with petroleum

[real crater]

It is anyways any theories about the snow area (the best area)

[high violet]

its peak

[lusty sorrel]

probably

i cant say great but it will have some

[slender shoal]

Yes, shes filled

[real crater]

Probably not it might connect to the peak the slopes we saw could be a way to get down from the peak

[high violet]

you dont think the area is peak?

[lusty sorrel]

peak is citadel as we know

[high violet]

i think the area looks really peak

[real crater]

I think peak is another snow area it might be a subarea the snow area being the main one

[slender shoal]

Little ghost eat petroleum

[lusty sorrel]

say that again?

[slender shoal]

Thats why hes strong

[high violet]

i think the citadel looks peak too