sk-lore

[edgy stone]

I disagree

[terse wadi]

Exactly, there shouldn't be several

[edgy stone]

I am pro hollow knight shit in silksong

[faint pelican]

... not what I meant

there being only one or two ways to fill a niche means that whatever ends up filling the niche, regardless of its taxonomy, is gonna look like a certain something

[edgy stone]

We can also reasonably assume the everbloom is the delicate flower

[sinful nimbus]

I was making a joke because I hate team cherry

[terse wadi]

If the niche is already filled why would something similar need to exist

[sinful nimbus]

HK has no place in SS be fr

[faint pelican]

...because it's not always filled

[edgy stone]

I want silksong to be all hollow knight

[terse wadi]

Now you're just using what ifs

[faint pelican]

no? this is just how ecosystems work. succession happens

disruptive events create niches to be filled

and so you get tall ass plants (trees) that are generally really distantly related

trees are weird af honestly

[terse wadi]

Strictly speaking everything is related to L.U.C.A so whatever

[terse wadi]

They're not even the most efficient oxygen source

Moss and Algae do a better jovb

[faint pelican]

they're different niches

you can't compare em because they don't grow in the same context

[terse wadi]

I'm being pretty objective here, trees are huge yet they get outclasses by something much smaller, that size doing a whole lot of nothing, what I'm driving at is trees as big as they are aren't creating oxygen as well as something much smaller now, in fairness, this is a very niche and specific metric I'm using to measure a trees worth but that's the metric I'm using so trees suck lmao

They do a lot of other things great

[faint pelican]

no you're just kinda straight up wrong

trees are less efficient per pound of carbon, sure

but you can't grow algae on the forest floor and you can't grow trees in the ocean*
-# *ignoring the obvious

[terse wadi]

Ofc you can't

[faint pelican]

so they literally fill different niches and cannot be compared

[sinful nimbus]

This is why we should chop down trees

[faint pelican]

true..

[terse wadi]

I suppose to add some context I'm referring to people planting trees for oxygen and nature when moss and algae in equal quanitty would do a lot more if the goal was to improve the outlook of our planet there's better ways to go about it but I think it boils down to people know how to plant a tree but don't know how to nuture moss and or algae

At least not the layman

[faint pelican]

you plant trees for oxygen in places where other plants don't grow

there's a ton of reasons why trees can be (and often are) the best option for it

[sinful nimbus]

Its mostly about replanting trees we chop down

[spark valve]

Mass growing algae is also very water intensive and destructive

[terse wadi]

If it was just about plant niches it'd be fine but it seems to be tree = answer almost everywhere

[faint pelican]

because it is the answer almost everywhere!

[spark valve]

Trees aren’t the most efficient thing for carbon capture ofc (and planting trees where trees wouldn’t normally be can be destructive too)

[faint pelican]

trees take less maintenance because they're generally late-stage successional
they generally have secondary economic benefits (timber, recreational space, habitat) that moss doesn't have
they look nicer (unironically really important for public policy)
etc.

[terse wadi]

Trees and other land plants are responsible for approximately 28% of the Earth's oxygen production.
This figure represents the net contribution after accounting for the oxygen consumed by the plants themselves through respiration.
While the Amazon rainforest was once thought to produce 20% of the world's oxygen, more accurate estimates place its contribution at around 9% when considering the total global oxygen production, including that from marine sources.
The vast majority of Earth's oxygen, about 50% to 72%, comes from marine plant life, primarily phytoplankton, which are microscopic organisms in the oceans.

[sinful nimbus]

9% is insane

[faint pelican]

...how much of the earth is covered by land vs water

[terse wadi]

Plankton doing the world a service fr

[terse wadi]

420%

[faint pelican]

like honestly, on land, pretty much the only time trees aren't the best option is when it's bare rock (or nearly that)

because trees can't grow on bare rock lol

[terse wadi]

I'm sure we'll GMO one someday/hj

[faint pelican]

I mean they either can't grow or just get simply outcompeted

gotta have soil, which is made by smaller plants

[terse wadi]

Just have the roots be able to bore into rock and turn that into "soil"

[spark valve]

Growing trees everywhere is also just kind of pointless

[terse wadi]

Yuh

[faint pelican]

well yeah obviously

[carmine blade]

irl lore?

[faint pelican]

but if you want oxygen production they're gonna be your best option

or carbon capture ftm (though the best answer there is reducing emissions lmao)

[edgy stone]

Okay I have a solution

[terse wadi]

You reference nomenclature one time and all of a sudden it's science class

[spark valve]

The issue isn’t with producing oxygen

[edgy stone]

One big tree right in utah

Like it reaches to space tall

And we put it in utah because its utah nothing exists in utah

[terse wadi]

Sounds like XC2

[faint pelican]

unfortunately for this discussion it was

[sinful nimbus]

We have lots of stuff in utah smh

[faint pelican]

yeah they got a lot of mormons

[sinful nimbus]

See: The rocks

[terse wadi]

Alright, let's get back to bug lore

[edgy stone]

No there isnt

[spark valve]

I don’t think you can call Mormons that

[edgy stone]

Ive seen your land

It is but a temple to the sins of mankind

[faint pelican]

yeah utah isn't even the mormon capital of hte world (that's mexico city)

[terse wadi]

I thought that was Ohio

(Not the Mormon thing)

[faint pelican]

we've got multiple temples

[terse wadi]

New Grumbus lore

[faint pelican]

we meaning americans

utah ain't special

[terse wadi]

Why tf bring it up then

Also you mean ye, I'm not American

[faint pelican]

it's ohio AND utah

[coarse walrus]

how does a spider birth a hornet

[terse wadi]

She's not a hornet

That's just her name

also something about scrapped hive lore involving Hornet

[coarse walrus]

wait what now lol

[gilded beacon]

It was named after queen Vespa

[faint pelican]

why is tiger woods called tiger if he's human

[coarse walrus]

I was thinking this whole time she was a hornet 😭

[faint pelican]

ah he was raised by large cats I see

[terse wadi]

HK has a pretty international fanbase

[coarse walrus]

pokeman

[gilded beacon]

They said that the Three Queens thing may still apply

[terse wadi]

It's scrapped until something confirms it tbh

[gilded beacon]

Birthed by Herra, Raised by the White Lady, Trained with Vespa

[coarse walrus]

oops, why did vespaqueen pop in my head lmao

[terse wadi]

Regardless of how canon three queens is, the name hornet from that stuck

[gilded beacon]

I suppose, still kinda neat thinking of all three of queens Hallownest being together to raise a child

[terse wadi]

I suppose

[faint pelican]

you're telling me quirrel isn't a squirrel?!

[gilded beacon]

That's why I think it may still apply

[gilded beacon]

Sadly.... No....

[faint pelican]

earthshattering. this completely changes all the previous lore

[terse wadi]

Quirrel is a quarrel/j

[gilded beacon]

I have a theory about the white flowers of Pharloom

[terse wadi]

Not necessarily, happens all the time in Game development, an idea gets scrapped but part of the idea survives in some form

[gilded beacon]

I guess

[terse wadi]

Shame we never got those upgraded charms in godhome they planned

[spark valve]

Eh decent cut imo

[terse wadi]

I suppose

No Abyss update sucks though

[spark valve]

That was an even better cut

[terse wadi]

Nah, more elaboration would have quelled the nutjovbs

[gilded beacon]

Silksong appears to have relation to the void

[terse wadi]

It's vagueness is what gives them room to thrive

[gilded beacon]

There's a whole new character called Phantom that is 100% void related

[pseudo lily]

Closer to 95%

[spark valve]

They can and will ignore anything

[terse wadi]

idk if I'd go that far, but it's certainly present in some capacity

[terse wadi]

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, there's the Arcane Eggs and the end of the trailer

[terse wadi]

Didn't we go on a whole discussion that Arcane eggs are not void

[sinful nimbus]

I remember having an hour long discussion about that and smacking myself in the face when I realized the arcane egg description explicitly says its stone

[rotund frigate]

Do you guys think they'll be an area like City of Tears in Silksong or no

i need me more eternally raining areas in video games

[spark valve]

Greymoor has rain

[terse wadi]

And Greymore has Craw Lake

[unique dune]

i feel the citadell might be like city of tears in the way it could be an expanssive capital of the kingdom

[rotund frigate]

i just want an area that constantly rains

is that too much to ask?

[terse wadi]

Just saw your tag, I'm literally playing Balatro rn

[unique dune]

that game is so fun

it turned me into a gambling addict

[terse wadi]

Anyways, it rains in Greymoore and it has a town caklled
Craw Lake

[rotund frigate]

balatro is meh

[terse wadi]

We're not gambling anything though

[rotund frigate]

not my most favorite game

[terse wadi]

Why's it your tag then lmao

[digital light]

yeah the citadel could be the magnum opus area for the game but i'm looking forward to the ones with rain in them, those tracks with rain just knock me out when trying to sleep lol

[rotund frigate]

I LOVE RAIN AAAAAAAAA

RAIN IS SUCH A FUCKING MOOD

rain is peak and we need more rain in our lives

[pseudo lily]

You say that until you play flushes with Bloodstone

[terse wadi]

I have 10 hours of heavy rain and distant thunder in my sleept playlist

[terse wadi]

Lmao

[pseudo lily]

That card is NOT 1 in 2

[digital light]

especially when you're comfy and cosy inside, it's like proof that even when things are shit you are safe

[pseudo lily]

John Balatro is a filthy liar

[terse wadi]

Sounds like you're unlucky

Dunno if you should post that here

[edgy stone]

There should be gambling in pharloom

[terse wadi]

The gambling is healing when you shouldn't

[spark valve]

crest that randomly changes your attack range

[terse wadi]

Crest that randomizes your health every minute

[sinful nimbus]

There's a game from the GMTK game jam that did this a few years ago it was cool

Diepound

[vestal swan]

Okay but what's going to stop us from stockpiling life blood and just healing midair

[terse wadi]

A tool limit

I can probably guess how it'll work

Non-stackable, 3 use limit before needing to be restocked at a bench

[opal beacon]

It's different for each crest

For some its 2, for some its 12

[terse wadi]

I would assume there would also be limits on OP items in general

[gilded beacon]

I still don't think that Hornet is void

[hidden gazelle]

What about void being hornet?

[graceful ruin]

No because we know void is older than hornet

[gilded beacon]

Nope

[viscid ridge]

Yo can anyone confirm if hornet still leaks soul in the demo? Ive been looking around and cant seem to find a good clip of it

We've seen a lot of suspicious evidence tying hornet to void in the newest trailer and demo. Im stil very much of the opinion that hornet is not at all void, but something to do with void will be involved somehow

Im praying to team cherry gods they dont canonize void hornet 🙏

[hidden gazelle]

We will find out soon. I’m actually so ready for all the juicy lore

[viscid ridge]

Ive just seen a clip of hornet getting to one mask, and she seems to leak nothing? Not soul like in the previous demo or void like the knight?

[viscid ridge]

Same man, i want to play it so bad 💀

[burnt nexus]

Guys I think there is a 50% chance Zote will appear in Silksong

The devs clearly love him as they gave him a lot of stuff in hk

[hidden gazelle]

What if Zote is void or worse void is zote

[burnt nexus]

What if Zote was hornet

[viscid ridge]

Zote is the god of gods

[sinful nimbus]

Not leaking soul would be fine tbh

[hidden gazelle]

Silksong will actually be a musical, it’s been in the name the whole time

[viscid ridge]

I think its just cause the player was moving a lot, i think if hornet stands still she leaks void, because around the last mask it leaks soul so idk

[sinful nimbus]

?

[viscid ridge]

What kind of music is silk?

[hidden gazelle]

Void music

Also what are the chances another eldritch being like radiance is the final boss? I’m thinking like 90%

[sinful nimbus]

lamesauce tbh

Well it'd be fine I'm just hoping they go for something more novel

[viscid ridge]

As you can see, here hornet is at her last mask, around the character she isnt leaking soul, but around her mask she is, so i think if she didn't move the leaking animation would play, just like how te knight slouches when at one mask, and same as hornet did in the e3 demo

[eternal gazelle]

Listen it's a game about religion, fighting God again is just a really likely way to pay off the themes

[viscid ridge]

I think the main badguys will be some sort of weaver tbh

Maybe deepnests dead sire?

[hidden gazelle]

Im thinking like one of the final 3 bosses is a weaver of some sort

[hidden gazelle]

I wouldn’t mind that direction tbh

[sinful nimbus]

I'd prefer a duel with the head of the institution instead

[viscid ridge]

I honestly think that one spider boss is a weaver as some sort, cause it has the same 6 eye patern as herrah, but just doesn't have the large head

Lemme get a pic

[hidden gazelle]

You hoping for a big boss or something more like lace?

[sinful nimbus]

Lace sized bosses are neat

[viscid ridge]

Thats totally a weaver (i hope)

[sinful nimbus]

I wouldn't mind a big one either though

[unique dune]

i hope so

[viscid ridge]

We do have that giant robot boss atleast

[hidden gazelle]

I agree 100%

[viscid ridge]

Like my baseless prediction is that the main badguys will be weaver related, and that the "Silksong" is some sort of spell created either by a high weaver, or all the weavors collectively to controll the land of pharloom

[hidden gazelle]

Main question, which bug got a degree in electrical engineering to wire that bad boi

[unique dune]

Silksong would be better if they added the snail villlage

[viscid ridge]

Most likely the ants, or the deep dockers, my bet being on the deep dockers, but it seems to be closer to the ants?

If we look at the map

Are yall also eagerly anticipating the mossbag video to drop? Ive never been this on edge to see if when the video drops

[eternal gazelle]

Dude we're gonna be the ones researching for the mossbag video

[hidden gazelle]

Unfortunately imma be taking my sweet time with the game so I won’t be doing much research lol

[viscid ridge]

Yeah but i just want one last speculation video before the game drops 🥺🙏

[viscid ridge]

I literally have to study for 2 college exams for the week after the game drops im about to risk it all for the skong 😭

[hidden gazelle]

I say everyone drops one long game prediction, whoever gets closest gets a large hornet mask from team cherry

[hidden gazelle]

No pain no gain, I wish you the best LOL

[lapis creek]

I think this is gonna be one ending but if the haunting is caused by a higher being don't we have to fight it

[gilded beacon]

Hornet still doesn't have anything that links her to void, other than being siblings with the vessels

[eternal gazelle]

Oh for some reason I assumed you were talking about a post launch video

[terse wadi]

Silksong was referenced in the gaming video I'm watching (it wasn't silksong related)

[viscid ridge]

The one thing that makes me scared is the cocoon she drops on death now has a weird black goop inside it, and there is a lot of void references around her these last few days, which i hope doesn't equate to being void

[chilly gyro]

Ok so this is going to be a weird question but an HK-lore guy said I should take this question here. Dose the abyss extend underneath the entirety of the HK universe, or just Hallownest? Multiple vessels are seen in deepest, which is right next to the abyss entrance, and The Knight is seen entering Dartmouth from outside the kingdom, which means the escape route took him outside the kingdom.

[eternal gazelle]

Void particles have some pretty consistent behaviors that aren't shared with hornet's dessicated corpse turning to ash

[eternal gazelle]

not confirmed to be the case yet but the end of the release trailer suggests the void might extend as far as pharloom

[vestal swan]

There is a secret tunnel to escape the abyss but that tunnel definitely doesn't lead all the way to another kingdom. But void in another kingdoms is entirely possible

[eternal gazelle]

which would mean it either exists in multiple pockets or is much, MUCH larger than what we could assume from hollow knight alone

[chilly gyro]

So it’s either just pockets of void fluid found around the world, or it just exists naturally at the bottom of the world everywhere

[viscid ridge]

Idk, it reminds me of how the collector turns to mush after you defeat him, but im also pretty sure its just something we dont have the information about to know

[eternal gazelle]

that can be assumed to be the case if there's an entire void ocean under pharloom

[vestal swan]

We don't know for sure that it's in more than one place yet

Things can be made of the substance or it can be moved without it having a source in both kingdoms

[eternal gazelle]

it's possible that whoever is using void in pharloom is sourcing it from hallownest (if it's the steel assassins that's actually pretty reasonable)

[viscid ridge]

Probably, its not proven yet, but i think its likely just a part of the earth that can be found anywhere if you dig deep enough

[chilly gyro]

That’s what I’m saying

[viscid ridge]

Yeah

[chilly gyro]

Also just realized the potential cascade of implications of if their is an abyss section in Silksong, hornet might have a reaction due to most of the endings where she’s included involve the knight returning to the void

[eternal gazelle]

she certainly has knowledge of it that's difficult to explain currently

[vestal swan]

It's possible this hornet comes from an ending where she killed TK

[eternal gazelle]

like how the hell did she know that the knight was even capable of uniting the void

[vestal swan]

I don't think that's an assumption she ever made

[viscid ridge]

Im still of the opinion that the games gonna be a prequal, so she will probably remember the void from how her father used it

[chilly gyro]

I think she knew just of the vessel project, and that the knight could probably effect the void in some way if certain things were to happen

[lapis creek]

doesnt she have dream nail dialogue to this effect

[viscid ridge]

The pale cast of hallownest seem to be a lot more in the know than the normal populus

[sinful nimbus]

Near the end of the abyss

[vestal swan]

If she did I don't remember it

That would be a really fucking weird assumption to make

[sinful nimbus]

"...It faced the void, and ascends unscathed... Could it unite such vast darkness?.. "

[eternal gazelle]

bro fuck my jackass internet it took like 30 seconds to send that 4 kilobyte image

[sinful nimbus]

Oh 🐌 🐌

[vestal swan]

I don't know maybe she's just expecting a rally the troops type thing and not voidheart, because that's absurd

[chilly gyro]

I’m more of the mind this is a sequel after the knight beats the radiance and hornet wakes up in the crater left behind from the black egg

[lapis creek]

not really an assumption but shes curious

[eternal gazelle]

rallying the troops is equally absurd considering there are no troops

[viscid ridge]

And also the dialogue she has after you kill herrah, she says something to the effect of sorry for standing idle mother, but another path may be possible

[vestal swan]

She should be able to know that void hates light and vice versa after having killed however many vessels

[sinful nimbus]

dawg what

[vestal swan]

I mean there's void down there

She's killed plenty of vessels, who knows how many shades she saw escape

[eternal gazelle]

yeah, even if it's not voidheart specifically, the idea that it could be controlled in any respect is an insane leap that nobody but her even mentions beforehand

[viscid ridge]

I dont think so cause team cherry is strictly against picking a true ending, so a prequal would avoid stepping on the hk endings

[sinful nimbus]

Leaving it up to interpretation also avoids stepping on the HK endings

[lapis creek]

i do wonder how she figured that one out

[eternal gazelle]

and she pretty clearly understands the implications of voidheart because she won't approach the black egg unless you have it

[lapis creek]

maybe it was hinted at in some arcane eggs or smth

[sinful nimbus]

cracked open a random arcane egg

[vestal swan]

I'll chalk that up the gameplay TBH, there's no way she should be able to know unless she's like not letting on that she's a fucking psychic

[sinful nimbus]

Multiple characters are able to sense voidheart

[eternal gazelle]

maybe it has something to do with void in pharloom? eh? information from the weavers who have seen this before?

[terse wadi]

She got that Wyrm 6th sense

[vestal swan]

The only one I can think of is bardoon?

[lapis creek]

actually yeah foresight would do it

[viscid ridge]

The pale king, white lady, dreamers and extended associations know a lot about the state of the world and how it operates, i think hornet knows this stuff because its just stuff she learned as she grew up

[vestal swan]

Ooh maybe it's the boss of the steel troupe, I would die laughing if there's two void hearts

[terse wadi]

Hornet has wyrm foresight

[sinful nimbus]

We used to kill people with hammers for saying things like that

[lapis creek]

are you a prequelist

[eternal gazelle]

it would be really funny if the weavers knew more about the void than PK and then didn't say jack shit to stop him from gambling his kingdom on nothing

[vestal swan]

If hornet had foresight that really wouldn't line up with the way her father's apparently worked. She would be way more sure of things right

[eternal gazelle]

no but the weavers came from pharloom in the past

[lapis creek]

thats true

[eternal gazelle]

who's to say how long each of these disparate plot threads have been cooking throughout history

[vestal swan]

Steel troupe is void

[sinful nimbus]

Added to the september 3rd stoning list

[vestal swan]

Who's to say what they completely forgot in between games

[viscid ridge]

I think jiji and the jinn maybe come from pharlooms void? We already know their masters are associated with the void, and we have seen similar steel bugs in the trailers so maybe the masters learned their abilities from pharlooms abyss

[lapis creek]

screenshotting this for the eventual mossbag video

[eternal gazelle]

you know what this is a strong possibility

TC doesn't have powerscalers on twitter reminding them what happened in their game

[vestal swan]

If they are void they wouldn't need to be from pharloom, the master could have simply gathered in hollownest and sent them back on a mission (the mission was originally going to be in hollownest and only jiji stayed behind)

[lapis creek]

tbf they do have a lore bible somewhere

[spark valve]

We know that they aren’t from Pharloom and there remains completely zero reason to think the steel fuckers have anything to do with void

[viscid ridge]

One thing i hope they kept for hornets backstory is the 3 queens backstory. That one always seems so cool to me

[vestal swan]

That's already conflicting with the existing game

Three queens is not a thing

[lapis creek]

it would take a few retcons here and there but its a cool concept

[viscid ridge]

Dont we have revealed void steel bugs?

Like the guy with the void nose?

[spark valve]

No

[lapis creek]

ifyou can get hornet out of the egg you can get her into the hive

[vestal swan]

That is not how that works

[eternal gazelle]

there is one reason but it's a couple stretches daisy chained together

[viscid ridge]

Yeah we do

[vestal swan]

They aren't confirmed void yet

[sinful nimbus]

3 queens sucks all my homies hate 3q

Hornet fights nothing like the hive smh

[terse wadi]

Is this not Devils proof, you can't prove it either way

[spark valve]

It’s literally just black = void

[lapis creek]

im just saying it wouldnt break the lore it would just need some odd assumptions to be made

like how the knight escaping the abyss requires that the sealed chamber isnt actually sealed

[sinful nimbus]

Like that the hive could at all train hornet with a needle and silk

[sinful nimbus]

This is just black

[viscid ridge]

Steel assasin sharp

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet is also black but she's not void

[viscid ridge]

Just gimme a sec

[terse wadi]

Okay, but is Hive Knight our only point of reference for that>

[lapis creek]

now idk why they would go for 3 queens when vespa and wl can only exist in flashbacks, it would be pretty lame

[eternal gazelle]

okay I know this is settled law but you could have picked an example that doesn't have shooters

[spark valve]

Somebody go ahead and preemptively grab a picture of pale lurker

[vestal swan]

You don't have any proof that they are void because it doesn't exist

Yet

[sinful nimbus]

Snail shamans. Oh wait

[sinful nimbus]

This is just a black flail

Void tendrils are barbed

[lapis creek]

thats barbed though

[terse wadi]

How do we know that animation even made it into the final game

[vestal swan]

That is very barbed it gets like seven spikes at the end

[sinful nimbus]

Its just motion blur but even if you interpreted it that way void tendrils aren't barbed like that

[vestal swan]

Today I learned you genuinely need glasses

[terse wadi]

that shit is barbed, not gonna say it's void or not void but it's barbed

[sinful nimbus]

Ad hominem

[spark valve]

Oh look it’s void

[eternal gazelle]

I think the minutia are less important than this guy visibly shapeshifting

which, you know, doesn't have to be void related but it gives one pause

[spark valve]

He’s an assassin bug it’s a proboscis

[vestal swan]

No ad prescription strength lenses

[lapis creek]

my favourite thing in lore is when people will just pretend they dont see the resemblance of one thing to another

[spark valve]

All black whips will look basically the same

[foggy fractal]

i loved the pale lurker encounter but god damn did the scream scare me

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah I think its really weird when people ignore the snail shaman particles looking identical to void

[eternal gazelle]

you are the jolliest person EVER!

[viscid ridge]

The main reason for thinking that this character is void is because they share visual similarities with steel soul jinn, a character that we know is connected to void

[foggy fractal]

thank u :D

[eternal gazelle]

I have never seen someone say they like pale lurker

[sinful nimbus]

jinn isn't connected to the void

[foggy fractal]

what were their reasons to dislike

[spark valve]

Jinn also not connected to void

[vestal swan]

The only black whips that we know of are void arms that stretch unnaturally, the stretchiest thing to exist that isn't void is gruzz mother's belly

[spark valve]

The fight being bad

[eternal gazelle]

it is an enemy that constantly runs away and spams persistent projectiles at you

[sinful nimbus]

don't hate on the goat

[viscid ridge]

What fight?

[eternal gazelle]

which I can appreciate but for a lot of people it's too patience trying

[spark valve]

She was the champion of the arena too what did she do just cover the whole thing with spikes before the fight even started??

[foggy fractal]

yes

[lapis creek]

whose eye is this

[sinful nimbus]

She whipped people with her void arms

is it phantom

[viscid ridge]

Phantomm

[vestal swan]

Phantom of the Opera

[terse wadi]

George W. Bushes

[spark valve]

Mine give it back

[foggy fractal]

fair enough

[terse wadi]

Was gonna make that joke Tammo

[molten edge]

The difference here is that this is pretty clearly just an animation thing while the nose whip is more than that

[lapis creek]

ok now whose eye is this ignore the red cloak pls ty

[spark valve]

The whip thing is a proboscis it’s also just an animation thing

[molten edge]

Like when you’re animating a punch you do often extend the arms at least a bit

[terse wadi]

Clearly it's Wingedd nosk

[molten edge]

Well it extends a lot

[foggy fractal]

hmmmmmmm white shell... black eyes... red cloak ??... that's gotta be HIM.

[spark valve]

“One Backer boss in particular has become a major rival character to Hornet, a mysterious Assassin Bug submitted by Jaspal Boodram. Jaspal’s assassin uses its proboscis as both a blade and a whip”

[viscid ridge]

Bro who tf is that???

[spark valve]

“Sharpe is a Kickstarter boss from Jaspal Boodram. Jaspal proposed an assassin bug with a whip-like nose”

[foggy fractal]

me

[molten edge]

That doesn’t go against anything said

[viscid ridge]

Why do you look so cool tho?

[vestal swan]

Bardoon

[foggy fractal]

cuz awesome

[spark valve]

The point is that thin black things moving fast blur

[lapis creek]

thats not what blurring looks like

[sinful nimbus]

You can also draw multiple arms for better motion

[spark valve]

It is

[vestal swan]

Blur ≠ spikes

No...

[lapis creek]

i get if you want to say the proboscis is barbed but those are barbed

[sinful nimbus]

Your perception of reality is false idk what else to tell you

[vestal swan]

THKs arm never has spikes on it

[spark valve]

Some people have never seen blur frames

[viscid ridge]

I might be biased, but no other blurred body part looks like the assassin's. That shi looks like a void tendril

[lapis creek]

do pale lurkers arms look like that

[sinful nimbus]

void tendrils aren't animated like that 🥱

[spark valve]

Pale lurker’s arms literally look like they’re splitting apart

[molten edge]

I think the blur matters less and what matters more is that the whip extends in a way that very clearly does not look natural and more like void

[vestal swan]

Pale lurkers arms are splitting at a point where fingers would be

[viscid ridge]

No tf they do not they look like noodles 😭

[spark valve]

It’s a proboscis those extend like crazy

[spark valve]

She visibly does not have fingers

[molten edge]

It’s how it extends and moves, not the length

[lapis creek]

it looks ok to me

[viscid ridge]

Cause that proboscis looks like the void tendrils aswell as that one attack by the pure vessel

[spark valve]

The fact that sharpe’s concept is explicitly a bug who uses a proboscis as a whip is absolutely an undercutting defeated to any claims you could make about extending being unnatural

[lapis creek]

it doesnt look like the pv attack

[spark valve]

Probosci EXTEND

[foggy fractal]

YOUCH !

[spark valve]

This is like the entire point of the backer concept

[lapis creek]

ill believe it when i see it

[spark valve]

it extends out and he uses it as a whip

[viscid ridge]

Lmao the spoiler warning made me chuckle ngl 🤣

[spark valve]

this isn't even in question it's EXPLICITLY the case per multiple statements tc has made on the subject

[lapis creek]

pale lurkers arms look ok to me

[spark valve]

Sharpe is a Kickstarter boss from Jaspal Boodram. Jaspal proposed an assassin bug with a whip-like nose and several other unique talents

Jaspal’s assassin uses its proboscis as both a blade and a whip

it's silly to act like it doesn't make sense for it to be a proboscis when that's explicitly the intent behind the design concept

it's possible they since changed the concept but this absolutely makes its appearance absolutely dogshit evidence for it being void

as well as it's apparent extension

[vestal swan]

Idk man it's pretty stretchy and it has those spikes

[spark valve]

reading is hard huh

[lapis creek]

it makes sense for it to be a biological proboscis but the barbs are barbs you cant take that from me

[foggy fractal]

what if I did the same thing with my limbs will i be void too

[spark valve]

they're only seen in smear frames

as smears

[viscid ridge]

They aren't arguing its not a proboscis, they are arguing that said probosic is likely made of void cause of how it acts like a void tendril

[lapis creek]

the majority of the whip is only seen while its in motion

[sinful nimbus]

Yeah there are no barbs when its stationary

[spark valve]

it doesn't

[lapis creek]

are there frames where its just a line

[sinful nimbus]

But where the supposed barbs are are at the end of the nose

[spark valve]

and hell actual void tendrils also don't look like that consistently

[lapis creek]

thats true

[spark valve]

the abyss ones only look that way because they're falling apart and you can see that bits are coming off

[viscid ridge]

Yeah thats fair

[lapis creek]

the ones that grab the radiance are doing ok

[spark valve]

they also have way more pronounced barbs that you can see outside of smear frames

like it's not even close

neither of those are anything like sharpe's nose whatsoever

[foggy fractal]

tc just gave up with the left tendrill here like

[spark valve]

hell it's even going the wrong direction

[vestal swan]

They're the same image

[spark valve]

and these are, again, smears

[carmine blade]

omg the void is made of sharpe

[foggy fractal]

c'mon couldn't they have just moved it up a bit 😭

[lapis creek]

theyre not the same image

[spark valve]

they're just not even close to similar in any remarkable capacity

other than in that they are black tendrils thrashing around

[terse wadi]

is it possible it's because (if it is void) that it's a stand alone tendril that makes it seem off? I'm on neither side

[lapis creek]

thats all thats necessary for it to be possible but it's bad evidence

[spark valve]

you can look at individual tendrils elsewhere they still look pretty distinct (and even if they didn't it wouldn't matter)

[spark valve]

it's possible, anything that's black could be void, but there's no reason to think it is

[lapis creek]

the barbs dont really contribute substantially in any way even if it's smooth you could compare it to pvs tendrils

[spark valve]

(they also don't exist)

[sinful nimbus]

i think the pv attack is its chest noses

[spark valve]

it's like looking at hornet slapping nuu and wondering why her arm became so long all of a sudden, clearly she must be void!

[foggy fractal]

anyways this area what we thinking ? Hunter's March probably near the arena ? the background seems to have a lot of structures made out of bones which makes me think its near their civilization

[lapis creek]

not really comparable

[vestal swan]

It sneezed bc TK stirred up dust

[spark valve]

it's like exactly the same

[sinful nimbus]

I never realized how awesome this looked

[vestal swan]

Only if you don't understand how arms work

[lapis creek]

the whip is several times the length of the body

[spark valve]

arena is probably in hunter's march yeah

[spark valve]

yes we've already accounted for that pretty soundly

[vestal swan]

Somebody legitimately thought hornets arm doubled in length the other day

[lapis creek]

im not saying that means its void but its not a good comparison

[foggy fractal]

they have gotta be trolling no way......

[spark valve]

the comparison is to the barbs you're claiming exist

[vestal swan]

I don't know they stopped responding they were translating everything they said and chat was going pretty fast

[spark valve]

there's no consistency to the barbs, there's no solidity, etc

[sinful nimbus]

I believe that was just about the whip itself not the barbs

[spark valve]

then it was missing my point

[vestal swan]

No the point about the arm

[spark valve]

I'm saying asserting there are barbs on the whip is akin to asserting hornet's hand grows into a spike

[vestal swan]

Sharpe's nose is like five times the length of his body, hornet's arm has nothing to do with that unless you don't know how arms work

[spark valve]

it's just how fast movements are animated

it's also why pale lurker's arms appear to be splitting apart at the ends

[vestal swan]

Fingies

[spark valve]

she doesn't have fingers

[spark valve]

this is way closer to sharpe's 'barbs' than they are to void tendrils

[lapis creek]

i would not have noticed this in a billion years its literally so minor

[vestal swan]

Everybody has fingers same way everybody has mouths, you just can't always see them

[spark valve]

because pale lurker's arms are a smaller sprite

[lapis creek]

idk about that one

[spark valve]

but the same animation principles apply, they're both smear frames animated similarly because they're conveying similar things

[lapis creek]

if it were true they would be easier to distinguish when static right

[spark valve]

yes tc would not draw the more complex arm sprites while they flail around so fast you can't see them

[lapis creek]

right

[terse wadi]

Nah, you know what, blaming animations is a cop out answer, give a lore explanation

[spark valve]

ok pale lurker is void

[foggy fractal]

GUH

[terse wadi]

Lmao

[foggy fractal]

am i void too ? :C

[spark valve]

if you move really fast yes

[sinful nimbus]

whip moving so fast it distorts the light duh

[foggy fractal]

oh no worries then !

[terse wadi]

I just took my meds so I'm a chaos gremlin ow

[lapis creek]

thats more clearly a smear frame though

[carmine blade]

lame void discussions are lame. Lets talk about how Coral Forest is likely a transition area between the lower parts and the upper parts

[vestal swan]

Void vs light go brrrrrr

[terse wadi]

beautiful

[spark valve]

I think you should take screenshots of the sharpe tendril so you can take a closer look because that is also very much a smear frame

at multiple frames

look for consistency, solidity, etc

[lapis creek]

i havent really gone through that yet i might try it

[foggy fractal]

Curly do you think this is a permenant ability, like an equivalent to cdash or do you think this is a location specific action that can only be done in a few parts of the game ?

[vestal swan]

I'm going to be real I don't like this, it reeks of the 5-minute ladder

[carmine blade]

In this part of the video we see hornet being pulled up by something. Very unlikely her out thread, she cant as far as we know, fire her thread that far

[terse wadi]

Alright, it's clear Tammo will die on this hill regardless of who's right or wrong, let's just move on

[spark valve]

I think this is a fixed thing to make it more interesting than elevator spam to climb

[sinful nimbus]

What if a Legiana interrupts you midway and there's an awesome bossfight

[carmine blade]

Threory. Its a line, possibly a fish reel

[foggy fractal]

nahhh TC wouldn't make us wait that long right

[lapis creek]

he doesnt show any obvious signs of dying

[terse wadi]

Now I want a fishing minigame

[carmine blade]

The light change also indicates that she is coming from a dark area to a much brighter one

[spark valve]

there just factually isn't any visual evidence of void with sharpe I've established that so many times

[terse wadi]

I hope we get a hook tool to go fishing

[sinful nimbus]

Hornet fishes like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolas_spider

[raven condor]

Finally some baller void bosses that aren’t just collector

[terse wadi]

Imma catch a void fish

Oh sorry, it's just a blackfish not void

[foggy fractal]

voidfish boss fight let's go

[carmine blade]

Also made the discovery that Nuu's room is above the tavern we saw in the Edge article

[terse wadi]

Why'd Hornet even go up there

[spark valve]

looking for rosaries

[foggy fractal]

adventure awaits

[terse wadi]

Red Snappah

[carmine blade]

It is the nature of the Hornet to go "up"

[edgy stone]

I remember once asking and wondering what was up there when we first saw it

I couldn't of known the horrors that awaited

[terse wadi]

I like to "get down" actually

[carmine blade]

Some questions are best left unanwered

[spark valve]

then just play hollow knight

[terse wadi]

The burden of cursed knowlege

[terse wadi]

I am

[raven condor]

From left to right do we think these will be called the same as in hollowknight, wandering husk, husk hornhead, and husk bully?

[spark valve]

[terse wadi]

Also bro missed the obvious joke

[spark valve]

no

[terse wadi]

Leave the poor Alcoholic bugs alone

[spark valve]

husks are an infection thing not likely to see that term again

[foggy fractal]

bug1 bug2 and bug3 let's GO

[terse wadi]

Actually, they're Bug #45 Bug #68 and Bug #92

[spark valve]

(even though it might apply to phase 2 of seth)

[carmine blade]

Those are Jared, who's wife just left him, and his best friend, Gary, who is helping Jared get over his wife leaving, and being his DD when he gets completely drunk

[foggy fractal]

seth becomes a husk ??

:C

[spark valve]

his description talks about fighting to the death and beyond

Imbued with stamina and strength beyond a normal bug, he strikes up close or from a distance with blinding speed. With unwavering devotion, this ancient guardian will fight until the very end, and beyond.

[foggy fractal]

uh oh

he's gonna revive 😨

[raven condor]

Radiance shows back up via a “somehow palpatine returned” moment. wonder how that screws with the story. Would it harm the antagonists plans? Things to think about on launch

[vestal swan]

Dude's going to turn into a ghost and then possess his own body

[foggy fractal]

wait...

[vestal swan]

It's not going to happen

[vestal swan]

Yes he's a phantom

[foggy fractal]

sekiro... shadows die twice.... he's gonna pull a sekiro on us !

[vestal swan]

Dununun

Oh

[raven condor]

No I know, I’m just curious as to the fallout of such an event

[vestal swan]

It wouldn't happen

[molten edge]

Not really any way to know

A lot of things could happen it’s a very vague premise

[raven condor]

Until we play the game, but it’s a fun thought. Would it be a fight over their servants minds, neat concept

[lapis creek]

theyre definitely inconsistent but to an extent i would expect this, given that (if barbs exist) theyre moving fast and are subject to smearing themselves

[spark valve]

but the smearing would come from consistent places and there would be a solid part somewhere at some point which there isn't

like go actually look at void tendrils in hk

[lapis creek]

void tendrils in hk can look like whatever they want

[spark valve]

yes but look at them anyways it's relevant context for how TC animates things

when they actually have that kind of shape it looks nothing like sharpe's nose

[raven condor]

They seem decently consistent. PV has similar ones

Sharpe is up in the air. I personally find he could be void, influenced by steel soul jinns masters

[lapis creek]

when they actually have the kind of shape you're implying sharpe's nose has, they also look nothing like sharpe's nose

[spark valve]

pv's look more like pale lurker's arms if anything (because void and non void black tendrils lashing around don't look very different)

[spark valve]

yeah the animations in ss have gotten better

void tendrils also aren't supposed to have movement as clear as sharpe's nose

sharpe is a single large, decisive lash, tendrils are not that

in any case it absolutely defeats the idea that sharpe's proboscis looks distinctively like anything void has ever done

[raven condor]

Unless it is given focus/ form, PV has a posable thumb made of void, it can kinda do whatever it wants

[foggy fractal]

pv has a whole hand with fingers

[lapis creek]

obviously but that defeats the reference to hk's animation

[spark valve]

but the claim people make about void is contingent on reference to that animation

[lapis creek]

i hope you dont think im doing this because i think it's void

im just arguing about the barbs

[spark valve]

that has been the premise of the conversation but even if you agree it's not void I'd still argue there's no actual reason to think it's barbed it just doesn't really have any consequence

[lapis creek]

youre right about this

[lapis creek]

this has been my attitude about it

[spark valve]

I can and will hand them over

[foggy fractal]

what are you ? the barb police ?

[spark valve]

yes and you're doing time alongside all those hedgehogs

[foggy fractal]

hey now I don't have any barbs

see ? all smooth

[eternal gazelle]

are we still on this conversation

entertain me or I will ban you

[spark valve]

will be for about 10 days if that's what it takes

is it any mystery why we would be dragging things out

[molten edge]

I can do a backflip

[eternal gazelle]

personally I think we should go back to moss theory

[empty fog]

I think sharpe is void actually

[spark valve]

which one is that

[empty fog]

Moss these nuts

[spark valve]

was it unn in silksong?

[eternal gazelle]

more like does there need to be a higher being for there to be moss

[spark valve]

oh

hard to argue the answer to that is yes

[foggy fractal]

ok let's talk about silksong
how do we think Hunter's March is gonna look like in the final game ? even though it looks red on the map (presumably to reflect the ants) all the footage we've seen containing ants is pretty grey with all the bones and stuff not really red

[lapis creek]

i just think we would have at least one good example if smear frames for a smooth whip were drawn like that, but i guess the animation is better now and we've never seen exactly this kind of movement before so i can also see where youre coming from

[eternal gazelle]

what's the reasoning behind thinking the ants are in hunter's march? Is it because of the environmental gradients we've previously seen

[lapis creek]

now interestingly enough assassin bugs do use the proboscis to inject a deadly venom that hollows out the insides of their prey

[vestal swan]

Wasteland conquered by ants

[spark valve]

hunter queen carmelitia

[lapis creek]

just putting that out there in case anyone wants some more copium

[eternal gazelle]

I didn't even know she had that title

[lapis creek]

is huntress related

[eternal gazelle]

probably not

[foggy fractal]

plus we've also seen ants in the presumably far fields

[foggy fractal]

thank u tammo you always have my back 🐺

[foggy fractal]

which is basically besides hunters march

[spark valve]

we've also seen a lot of horizontal rooms with ants that seems to line up with the march but that's less robust

[midnight reef]

The tavern still lives! Yippe!

I love the tavern!

Wouldnt that imply that shes a, IDK if the word filters would let me say the word

[foggy fractal]

test it I double dear you

[vestal swan]

Alcoholic?

[eternal gazelle]

why are they keeping this freak in the attic

[spark valve]

child abuse

[vestal swan]

I'm really confused what word u think would be censored that goes here

[midnight reef]

a person you pay for a certain kind of company

[foggy fractal]

ohhhhh

wait who ?

[midnight reef]

The snail

slug

[spark valve]

no

[foggy fractal]

what would imply that ??

[molten edge]

That doesn’t feel impossible but maybe she’s just like renting a room there or something

[foggy fractal]

actually there are two mods here we will be banned. choose your next words VERY carefully.

[midnight reef]

shes in the upper floor of a tavern, and seems to instantly come onto hornet, leading to Hornet slapping her

[spark valve]

it's a child in a game rated e10+

[foggy fractal]

do we have a confirmation of Nuu's gender

[midnight reef]

I dont think so, whoops

[midnight reef]

technically its still pending rating ;3

least I think it is XD

[spark valve]

iarc rating exists and would result in it displaying very differently if the game included that

[midnight reef]

Fair, I guess

just a theory, not a good one

[vestal swan]

I think in most places it would be rated teen for the mild reference but still, yeah the answer is almost 99% no

[midnight reef]

that and their design

[spark valve]

it's a kissing bug

[midnight reef]

yeah yeah, Im still not saying that its a good theory

[graceful ruin]

But can we swing nail

[spark valve]

no

hornet does not have a nail and therefore cannot swing one

[lapis creek]

is it a child

[graceful ruin]

Shit
Can we swing needle

[foggy fractal]

yes

[spark valve]

the card description sure implies so

Cut them with your blade! Cut them with your mature spirit! Cut them with your savage adult heart!

[foggy fractal]

nooooo don't do that

[spark valve]

do what

[foggy fractal]

cut nuu

[spark valve]

I don't think nuu is talking about themself in the third person asking to be cut

seems like cheering on hornet to go fight the citadel

[foggy fractal]

maybe

[spark valve]

alternatively could be a quest npc or something

[digital hemlock]

Also does this imply nuu is a child

[spark valve]

they're shouting about how hornet is an adult and that's cool

yes it implies that

[vestal swan]

Boyscout energy

Big ass backpack too

we're finally going to get to buy cookies

[foggy fractal]

if only we got to buy them off of that one ghost

[carmine blade]

Hornet slapped her because she was out of thin mint

[foggy fractal]

her

[spark valve]

Hornet should drop kick nuu into lava

[carmine blade]

Throw a pimpilo at her as well

[slate goblet]

not sure if its been mentioned in here but so far my theory as to "why did hornet get kidnapped" im gonna assume the weaverlings are from pharloom and were like. hey lets go get our distant princess back and bring her to her REAL home, maybe usurp whoever is currently in charge of pharloom. but they didnt tell hornet this

"wait you guys wanted me to fistfight your boss" "yes my liege" "I HAVE BIGGER PROBLEMS THAN THIS"

[unique dune]

When Silksong releases will it be 12 am australian time or 12 am my time or like how does that work

[runic musk]

Releases same time for everyone

There should be a pinned message in #sk-discussion showing when it launches for you.

[unique dune]

thx

[hazy hemlock]

looks kind of like a hermit crab to me with the way the eye stalks are drawn and the huge backpack

could totally be a made up creature loosely based on something else like a lot of other things in hollow knight but the eye stalks in particular are very crablike

[pure belfry]

Do you think we'll get Delicate Flower lore in Silksong? I wanna know more about them

[spark valve]

Apparently

[pure belfry]

? Was it one of the badges or trading cards?

[spark valve]

Yes

[pure belfry]

I haven't looked at those. Ik the Arcane Egg is one

[hazy hemlock]

the flower badge looks super similar to the delicate flower

it has one extra petal and the petals point down instead of up but everything else about it is the same

so i’m guessing that’s probably what it is

[pure belfry]

This would all be super interesting if Hollow Knight had lore

[hazy hemlock]

so true

[pure belfry]

What is the "HK has no lore" joke in reference to anyway? I've seen people say it on this server sometimes.

[hazy hemlock]

i know mossbag has said it before but idk if he got it from somewhere else or not

actually it might’ve been william who said it originally

[edgy stone]

I would assume its from like people missing the backstory and story of the game

But like thats extremely hard in hollow knight I feel like

Everything like substantial at all is just given in dialouge

[hazy hemlock]

ok yeah it’s from william

[pure belfry]

Is William plok rocks?

[runic musk]

Its pretty upfront about 'hey go kill these Dreamers and this Knight'

[hazy hemlock]

yeah

[edgy stone]

Itd be cool if the game added ways to see that hornet is an actual living organism unlike the vessels

Like I assume the vessels dont really breathe at all in hk so itd be cool showing hornets breath in a cold section

[spark valve]

Vessels breathe

Don’t need to but they do, they mimic a lot of biological functions

[runic musk]

Not to mention when critical they seem weak

[lethal burrow]

100% sure

[pure belfry]

Hey is that Huntress Wizard's F&C S2 design in your pfp?

[lethal burrow]

farloome is serene

[lethal burrow]

yup! :3

[pure belfry]

I love coming across AT fans in the wild

[lethal burrow]

same hehe

[spark valve]

Not exactly uncommon

[pure belfry]

True but still. It's nice to see a bit of crossover in different fanbases

[spark valve]

AT is better than HK anyway

[lethal burrow]

but what about lord of the rings

[hazy hemlock]

i <3 lotr

[pure belfry]

It's been a long time since I read LotR. Two Towers was my favorite in the series I think

[lethal burrow]

i'm trying to get through the Silmarillion rn

[spark valve]

Don’t remember it well enough

[pure belfry]

Nice

[edgy stone]

Do you think pharloom has a mushroom epidemic

[hazy hemlock]

the silmarillion is really cool

[edgy stone]

The spore area implies mushrooms which imply hallugenic mushrooms

Are the bugs of pharloom transcending the mortal coil by taking shrooms?

I am

[pure belfry]

The LOTR bible/Silmarillion seems like such an interesting read. I used to have a Paperback copy I read a little of a while back. Not for everyone because it's not extremely exciting but people invested in the lore would get a lot out of it for sure

[lethal burrow]

lot of hard to remember names, but it is interesting

there are times it feels like "and then flabo took the aboom and wimbed but falbo had wimbed the aboom first with the help of kimbada of the nempda and eyol of dyihel" tho lol

I just sort of assume things make sense and try to follow where I can

I'm enjoying it so far though

[pure belfry]

Yeah that sounds right from what I've read of it lol. It really is a very dry record of Arda's history

[lethal burrow]

i love fantasy so much

[pure belfry]

best genre. It can be anything

[hazy hemlock]

i think tolkien’s worldbuilding is super cool even if it gets dry in places

real history gets dry in places too so it adds some realism lol

[lethal burrow]

as a man with dyslexia phil dragash is my new god

[pure belfry]

Speaking of fantasy, here's my obligatory recommendation of Witch Hat Atelier. Read it.

[lethal burrow]

this is the #sk-lore ever

[edgy stone]

Looks like itchi the witch clone

[pure belfry]

Most definitely not

Witch Hat is older than Ichi too

Since 2015 I think

[lethal burrow]

looks cool

[edgy stone]

Idk man thats all im seeing

[lethal burrow]

get reading for lots of titanFall style "did this game rip off silksong" posts about hollow knight

[pure belfry]

I'm just gonna say 1 panel is not enough and leave it. You have to read the story. The panel tells you nothing. I don't wanna stay off-topic too long.

I will say it's my favorite fantasy story ever so far for its art, story, magic system, nuance, and consistency of theme

[hazy hemlock]

i’ve heard about it a lot but i’ve never read it

i always say i’m gonna pick up a new manga then i just read death note for the hundredth time (autism moment)

[pure belfry]

I've actually never completed Death Note. My backlog is embarrassingly long because I procrastinate so much

Witch Hat is the first story I've caught up on in a while

[hazy hemlock]

death note is very flawed but i love it so much lol

i don’t even really have a backlog bc i forget which things i’d been meaning to pick up

[pure belfry]

I watched a lot of the anime

I keep a list of things I intend to read

[real crater]

Death note was good || until they killed L ||

[hazy hemlock]

i like the anime but the manga is way better pacing wise and looks way better too

[high violet]

so the huntress appears in different locations huh

[hazy hemlock]

||i was upset when this happened but mello is my favourite character ever so it’s not too bad for me LOL||

[real crater]

Where is this ss from?

[high violet]

playstation app, it has a slightly different trailer

[pure belfry]

Keep Silksong out of ss-lore please

[real crater]

Oh they updated the consoles?

[high violet]

🫡

[edgy stone]

Oh hey playstation store new scenes asrsome

[high violet]

yeah, im trying to get the trailer from the store but its only on the app so its kinda hard

[edgy stone]

She looks different

[real crater]

The hunteress might be working with the weavers

[high violet]

scene we've already seen

[real crater]

Is it the ps phone app cause the website isn't updated?

[pure belfry]

I keep seeing that Playstation apparently has a store page but it's not showing on my PS4

[high violet]

and then this dude

[edgy stone]

Oh shes naked

[real crater]

Neither on pc

[edgy stone]

She doesnt have on her cloake

[pure belfry]

I'll check the app and see if Silksong is on there

[high violet]

how da heck do we extract it even lol

[real crater]

Extract what?

[high violet]

the trailer from the app because the screenshot quality is so ass

its not on any website so i cant just get the source

[real crater]

Wait for the website to update I guess

When did the ps app update the silksong page?

[high violet]

very recently

[edgy stone]

20 or so minutes from my understanding

[pure belfry]

Yeah I'm not seeing Silksong page on the PS App either. Page doesn't exist for me at all

Is it region based and just not in the US yet?

[lethal burrow]

silksong does not have a store page on ps

[hazy hemlock]

i can see the page but it doesn’t show up if i search silksong i have to search hollow knight

[high violet]

it does now apparently

[real crater]

It shows up on ps website

But it doesn't show any release date just shows announced

[lethal burrow]

oh yeah look ay that

[hazy hemlock]

this is what shows up for me and it has the release trailer they uploaded to youtube and some screenshots

[pure belfry]

searching Hollow Knight worked for me

[high violet]

i just realised what they changed about the trailer, they got rid of the map in it lmao

[pure belfry]

Strange

[hazy hemlock]

a little late for that i fear

[real crater]

this is what the website looks like on ps store

also the description for silksong is the old one

[edgy stone]

So this seems like a quest to help her save her kids maybe?

It looks almost like its a trap set up to catch her

Or not shes on the outside of the thing in the background

[lethal burrow]

I didn't see this in the PlayStation trailer

[high violet]

its not updated for everyone yet

[real crater]

i love how the parry has this vignette effect

[lethal burrow]

someone MUST tell daily silksong news!

[runic musk]

I also noticed that the parry stance has her lunge forward

Pretty sure she didnt lunge in HK.

[real crater]

also i love how the actual weapon of the enemy clearly hits hornet and not her nail lol

[edgy stone]

AURURA AURUA TURN ON THE PLAYSTATION NEW SCENES HAVE HIT THE PLAYSTATION STORE

[real crater]

i mean this is a yes news day

[high violet]

the fact that theres no crest in this shows how early on during the game this screenshot was taken lol

[edgy stone]

I couldnt figure out how to make it more like the oneyplays bit

[real crater]

or they just removed crests for this ss

cause i think we will get one crest by the time we leave moss grotto

[runic musk]

I mean the 5 masks is also an indicator

[lethal burrow]

Every copy of silk song is personalized

[real crater]

i mean i got my 6th mask in hk by crystal peaks

when i got ddark

[runic musk]

Okay?

It could still be argued its fairly early

Given the other stuff mentioned (no crest)

[real crater]

i mean sure but not because of no crest

[lethal burrow]

maybe they're starting glasses

[high violet]

i think none of the early screenshots had crests, which is why i said that

[edgy stone]

Yeah id wager its more design limited

[high violet]

i think crests mightve existed but not the visual aspect

for all of them at least

[edgy stone]

Chances are they didn't have like actual playable builds so they just put in hornet at any mask level into that room to get a screenshot

[real crater]

do we know of any crests that dont change the hud?

[high violet]

not so far

[edgy stone]

Is a crest part of the hud in the demo,

[high violet]

crests aren't in the demo

[real crater]

there is toolsin the lace part of the demo

[runic musk]

Is the parry stance basekit or will we need to unlock/equip it or smth

[high violet]

or well there is, but like its not named or explicitly shown

[edgy stone]

Okay, was just wondering if hornet starts out the game with one on her hud

[real crater]

there wasnt parry in the demo was there

[high violet]

yeah there wasnt

[runic musk]

Hm. Curious.

[high violet]

im pretty sure they stripped the demo a bit

[real crater]

hmmm how do u lose the ability to parry

i suspect demo didnt have all of hornets base kit

[runic musk]

I dunno fall a drop in a cage probably got brain damage

[edgy stone]

What if hornet is not hornet

But instead someone made to turn into hornet that doesnt know they are not hornet

[real crater]

this theory is going in the hornet is void theory box

[edgy stone]

IF KOJIMA CAN DO SO CAN TEAM CHERRY

[high violet]

i think i have a theory on why the PS app trailer is different, the trailer thumbnail displays the map part of the trailer, they might have updated it because its a shit thumbnail and PS store app doesnt give you the option to changfe the thumbnail

im not certain but i think it could be the case

[real crater]

man this quality is so bad

[high violet]

yeah its screenshots of screenshots lmao

[real crater]

ss ss inception

[edgy stone]

Silksong should be locked at 480p

[real crater]

officer this one get this one

[lethal burrow]

new ps stuff starts here

[sonic dragon]

Since we are getting a moss area could the hunters path be related to the hunter

[molten river]

not sure if that is the huntress, the horns are curved differently

[lethal burrow]

the hunter? he is all the way back in hallownet

[lethal burrow]

Could be a family

[sonic dragon]

You know characters can appear in multiple games

[lethal burrow]

nuh uh nope

never

[sonic dragon]

I hope zote and mushroom man appear too

[edgy stone]

Certainly related in some way at least

Also the amount of protrusions in the horns is different

Could be the huntresses mate

[molten river]

we've progressed to horn lore

[lethal burrow]

this too, is yuri

[real crater]

Hmm more gayness in silksong means goty

[hazy hemlock]

so true

[edgy stone]

New character is also significantly smaller than the huntress

Probably indicating that it is a male of their species

[real crater]

Wdym this is the hunteress model

[sonic dragon]

Will the huntress give us the journal now

[lethal burrow]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[sonic dragon]

When I become an admin I will ban you

I hope the huntress is related to the hunter

[real crater]

The trailer on ps youtube is the same on tc channel but the trailer on the ps app is different??

[grim ember]

Yeah because that's the one on the playstation is like the old one

[real crater]

The playstation has the release date trailer with some stuff removed

[high violet]

high quality version of the new footage, someone found the source

FROM THE PLAYSTATION STORE APP

[sly skiff]

Where is this from

[high violet]

Playstation Store App

[pseudo plank]

Really curious to see what lore stuff from Hollow Knight gets any type of followup in Silksong. The number one thing I've got my eye on is ||Phantom (that vessel looking bug from the steam cards) The name aligns with how Hornet used to call the knight "ghost" and I really wanna see if they are able to talk, if they are a vessel it could give a lot of insight into what the void is and more about the Shade Lord (considering we see the void act in a sort of hivemind fashion, and assuming the dream no more ending is the preceding canon end to hollow knight, it would be interesting to see if they where aware/felt what was going on with the knight||

sry big msg, just really excited to see the story continuing

[peak hazel]

Yeah i think we'll get more context for the void for sure, and possibly lifeblood since we have the lifeblood syringe item

[gentle aspen]

I don’t remember seeing this in the trailer

Nooo they redesigned huntress FUCK

[high violet]

yeah PS Store App new footage

[rocky flare]

lowkey looks better no?

[gentle aspen]

she’s not as large…

[rocky flare]

oh wait didn’t notice the body

[high violet]

i dont mind the redesign looks basically the same to me

[real crater]

Yeah it's a very minor difference

[gentle aspen]

Wrong

[real crater]

They just changed a bit of the horns

[gilded beacon]

Also in the trading cards the pronouns used are They/Them which could indicate a lack of gender, like the vesels

[gentle aspen]

Her entire body has been significantly slimmed down

[gilded beacon]

And now she hangs from the ceiling, reminds me of Midwife ngl

Also in the floor appears to be some silk cocoons/eggs this could be her children

[viscid ridge]

Yo where is this from?

[real crater]

PlayStation app

[viscid ridge]

Mo way fr

[pseudo plank]

I think the most interesting portion is the fact they are referred to as a "mournful creature". If the idea that they have a connection to the void is true then they would have felt the results the dream no more ending like how the other vessels go to rest after the radiance is finally banished.

It's possible they are being set up to be a pretty sad character, the vessels where made with the purpose of banishing/containing the infection, with no more infection to banish and the sudden feeling that all your siblings have just "been put to rest" but your somehow still here now with no purpose, yeah, I'd be pretty mournful too

[high violet]

i need to put like big tedxt saying FROM THE PLAYSTATION app

[carmine blade]

Dang. Thats some nice new footage

[high violet]

there you go

if i get tagged one more time asking where this footage is from im going to lose it

[carmine blade]

Possibly the huntress got a re design and not that ahe moves around

[gilded beacon]

That's assuming that Phantom was created to contain the infection, to be fair all that we know about void vessels is that they are an empty husk filled with void, it could have been a random husk, ngl
If it was created what would their purpose be?

[viscid ridge]

I have the ps app, just looked but didn't see the new footage but its nice to know it exists

[high violet]

yaa its region locked at the moment, its slowly rolling out

[real crater]

Do u know where it is unlocked?

[viscid ridge]

Is it part of the trailer? Like some scenes on the ps trailer is different?

[real crater]

They removed the map from the trailer on ps app

[high violet]

yep, its the trailer but the part of it that has the map is removed

[terse wadi]

I see a bench too

[viscid ridge]

Hmm thats odd

[gentle aspen]

They’re not a vessel

Vessels aren’t just “empty husks filled with void” they’re explicitly children of the pale king and the white lady

[terse wadi]

which have been murdered and filled with void

They aren't husks though

[gentle aspen]

their pale shells do some mumbo jumbo with restraining the void a regular body would just not work

[gilded beacon]

To be fair all void-husk beings that we know of are the PK and WL children, I just used the term since it seemed fitting for Phantom

[terse wadi]

Not husks

[gilded beacon]

We've seen other bugs interact with void

[gentle aspen]

?

Not in the way you’re purporting

[viscid ridge]

That one cockroach looking bug seems very familiar? Did we see it in some concept art or somethingt

[pseudo plank]

That's true, I'm open to the idea of then not being a "true vessel". They look very strongly like a vessel but they are definitely the most different looking if they are one (vessel looking mask but with a body that doesn't clearly resemble any bug we've seen).

My honest expectation is they are part void, possibly some pale king style shenanigans of someone doing void experiments on a bug or maybe a bug who has bonded with the void in some way. They are described as "tasked alone to expel the Citadel's choking refuse". Maybe they are a quest giver who's working to expel bugs who still have a remnant of the infection in them. Would be cool to see (:

[gentle aspen]

they really don’t look like a vessel at all

[gilded beacon]

They could be a failed vessel, whose body couldn't resist the void and it's sipping out

[gentle aspen]

they’d just die if that was the case

or they’d constantly be close to death

[viscid ridge]

I think phatom is important in some way we just have no way of knowing at the moment

[spark valve]

if they were a vessel they'd be dead a dozen times over

they would also share literally any visual similarities with vessels which they don't

[high violet]

i do love the inclusion of buggified animals in Silksong, like the bird bugs, and the horse bugs

[viscid ridge]

I think she is conmected to hornet in some way

K so so

[gilded beacon]

Horse bugs are just Shrimps, think about it

[viscid ridge]

I think this new shopkeeper wil be this games relic seeker, we can see some of those scrolls in the background, that looks like the ones we saw on the steam badges. I also think that this shop is this one in bellhart.

[gilded beacon]

There isn't a yellow bead pin like with Forge Daughter in Deep Docks, in Bellhart

I agree with you, probably they haven't got there

[viscid ridge]

I think the marker probably was placed there so its not spoiled, we can see a lot of custom markers in weird places in the trailer

[gilded beacon]

I was talking about these yellow rosary beads markings, this one is Forge Daughter's

The golden line markings I think that will be Shakra's locations

[viscid ridge]

Yeah i know 😅

[viscid ridge]

Golden line markings? Could you show me?

[gilded beacon]

The golden pin in this image

[viscid ridge]

Oooh oh

[viscid ridge]

I dont think thats gonna be shakras, that just looks like a custom pin that tge player can place anywhere

[gilded beacon]

Yeah, it fits her color and we also found her in Bonne bottom and Bellhart, we've already seen Shakra in Bone Bottom

[spark valve]

they're custom pins

[viscid ridge]

Ofcourse it fits her color sceme, she is probably the one who sells you the markers, same with how isselda sold the 4 custom markers in hk

[gilded beacon]

Also in the new trailer, when Hornet is using air currents in Far Fields we see one of her rings on the ground, I think that that ring will guide us to her

[spark valve]

if they were shakra locations there wouldn't be multiple in far fields and they would, you know, appear in shakra's locations which they don't

[gilded beacon]

Yes, she is Pharloom's cartographer that was already confirmed

[gilded beacon]

Maybe it's kinda like Cornifer in Deepnest, it depends where you enter from

[viscid ridge]

No man, i dont think those markers indicate shakra, those are just pins that she sells you that you can place anywhere. I dont think shakea will always be in a certain location, she probably travels around same as cornifer

Like, those gold amd ring markers are 3d looking, making me think they are custom markers, same as the ones in hollow knight

[terse wadi]

Random thought, but it looks like there's Rosaries in Salubras shop in Hollow Knight

[viscid ridge]

But on a unrelated note this pic made me realize the ring marker is blocking an icon? What can it be?

[spark valve]

willing to bet that's just a coincidental resemblance but interesting nonetheless

[viscid ridge]

I think those are charms, we see the same stuff in the white lady's cacoon

[spark valve]

fast travel

[viscid ridge]

How can you tell?

[spark valve]

because those symbols also appear under pins in places where we know fast travel stations are in the marrow and in deep docks and you can see the whole glyph in the bellhart clip

[viscid ridge]

Hmm thats cool, but if there is signs for the fast travel does that mean the bugs of pharloom actually use the bellbeast as transformation? I always thought it was just a random creature only hornet uses as fast travel

[spark valve]

apparently

[viscid ridge]

Thats odd tho, no seating or nothing, just hold on for dear life 💀

[carmine blade]

The Pharoomians are crazy

[real crater]

They might be if they don't wear protection in the lava area

[viscid ridge]

How do you mean?

[gilded beacon]

I mean that the pins mark where Shakra has been, put by the players themselves

[viscid ridge]

Yeah probably

[spark valve]

but they aren't in locations she's actually in

[real crater]

In the release trailer one of the tools? Crest? Mentions that the bugs are too stupid to wear protection in the lava area paraphrasing a bit but that's the gist

[gilded beacon]

I think that those markers look more like Hornet's Silk abilities

[viscid ridge]

I just think all these markers are used to block spoilers