Leak Theories - SPOILERS (DO NOT SEND LEAK)

[scarlet hearth]

Not palading?

[edgy wolf]

Paladin is a little different, since it wasn’t in location, but instead all CGI.

[scarlet hearth]

Cgi is VERY EXPENSIVE

[edgy wolf]

I’m sure that was really high budget though, given how amazing the CGI looks.

[edgy wolf]

Yes, but logistically it was easier than them going back to Iceland or Ukraine.

I will concede that though, Paladin must’ve costed a lot.

I guess that’s where all of Clancy’s budget went.

Extremely true.

[iron harbor]

the Line lyrics:
so few, so proud, so.. emotional.... Hello clancy. You should bounce bounce bounce man come to the house man

[smoky cloak]

bounce man will always still let you over

[lilac crescent]

the line leak

[wispy lynx]

lol

[lilac crescent]

the line

FUCK

[simple vault]

"keep the memories of who I was before. "please don't let them see me, sure there's nothing left to try".

This feels like Clancy's about to do something fucked up

A sacrifice ?

[tawny wigeon]

or potentially the theory of him becoming a bishop

in order to fight from within

“will they still let me over if i cross the line”

[lilac sandal]

This is assuming it is lore

I like the becoming a bishop involuntarily theory

[dim lynx]

the piano in the line sounds like overcompensate's piano

but with like one extra note

[scarlet hearth]

We discussed this, the notes are in natural too.

[dim lynx]

in natural?

[scarlet hearth]

And then somebody appeared and was all blah blah this is coincidental at best

Yah cuz the chords are whatever whatever but the notes are yadda yadda in flats and the chords and notes in line are the same but in a natural key

Something chords something music theory

But that person is very gung ho that its a coincidence

[dim lynx]

no way it's concidential

[scarlet hearth]

Thats what I thought but they were ADAMANT i didnt know what I was talking about and it was all coincidence

Can U tell I’m salty? I’m a lil salty.

[dim lynx]

when in the twenty one pilots has anything been a coincidence

[scarlet hearth]

According to this person, this one time

[dim lynx]

100%

bishops are kinda like a hivemind right

so if he gets in he can stop them

[scarlet hearth]

Itms chords bla blah not notes blah blah, yah but those are literally the top notes and its what people hear the most

[gentle rose]

I myself don’t think it’s a coincidence

[scarlet hearth]

Me neither

Not based off the way I write music. But also the way I write music is unorthodox and probably to some elitists wrong, even if it achieves the same results

[rustic pebble]

How do you write the spoiler cover thing

[scarlet hearth]

What thing ||this?||

[rustic pebble]

Yeah

[scarlet hearth]

||

No

||

Two on each side

[rustic pebble]

||this?||

K thanks

[rustic pebble]

this is my theory on the line being the end of the story. Im sorry if this has already been suggested

|| So i'll start with the lyrics "What could be my final form" which could mean Clancy becoming a bishop and therefore means the song could be interpreted as Clancy asking the banditos if they would still accept him as a bishop. This cycle could continue, with Clancy becoming the new keons, which makes sense because why would keons betray nico unless he knew how clancy felt and what he was trying to do? I think keons is a bishop that constantly gets replaced, now by clancy. The letters at the FPE also point towards this. "We must destroy them or we will become them, and if we become them then we must do better". This could be interpreted as the oppressive system in Dema and how with each cycle the new bishop becomes more sympathetic to the population. This also makes sense as it was stated that Keons was always the kindest bishop. This leads me to believe that not only is dema a metaphor for depression and mental health, but also representative of corrupt higher powers, and how with each generation, there seems to be less and less oppression (like recently countries becoming more accepting of LGBTQ+) and this could hint that the cycle will continue forever as no one will ever truly be free. Idk i've just waffled this entire paragraph lol let me know if it makes sense.||

[magic fjord]

i mean...

probably is a coincidence lol

[unkempt vault]

Guys im not sure if its real but apparently the lyrics are made by riot games and given to the artists to work with

big emphasis on the not sure

big big emphasis

[pine ice]

I feel left out having not heard the line yet 😆

[stone flame]

tyler literally talked about writing it

[gentle rose]

That is complete bullshit Tyler gave a statement about writing the song

[unkempt vault]

well then

the emphasis was correct

[sterile glen]

Now he probably worked closely with riot to make sure it thematically fit the tone of placement in the show lyrically and music-wise, but yes, most, if not all of the writing was by Tyler

[tawny wigeon]

definitely not

they probably work with them

but tyler would want creative control on the lyrics

[scarlet hearth]

It definitely sounds like lyrics that fit the lore of clancy while also working in the world of arcane

Prolly collaborative

[celest gyro]

im sure Tyler wrote it himself or with Paul Meany. hes been vocal before about how he doesn't work with anyone on writing a song if hes not too close with them

[scarlet hearth]

Paul meany such a silly name

[upbeat willow]

There was another writer for Routines tho

[celest gyro]

well yeah but looking at that other writers insta when he posted about that song, it seems like Paul recruited him cause Paul thanked him in the comments

theres also a few writers for HOTY

[scarlet hearth]

Whats hoty again?

[celest gyro]

Holding On To You

[scarlet hearth]

Ohhhhh

Right hoty love hoty got me into top as a wee one

[celest gyro]

ive seen HOTY live 4 times and it never disappoints

3 of the times it was played in full. Takeover Tour had it apart of a medley (Migraine/Morph/Hoty)

looking back, thats such a weird medley but it honestly works

[gentle rose]

I absolutely HATE that the SAI livestream determined so much of the setlist for the SAI tours

[celest gyro]

i mean not too much. it was really just that 1 medley. but they also did play Saturday, LOC, Ride, then Car Radio on takeover exactly like the livestream. i honestly think its cause they genuinely weren't planning on touring for sai (pretty sure tyler said something like that too) but then the covid restrictions started loosening up and tøp just really wanted to go on the road again so they had to basically come up with a setlist quick

icy tour had a different vibe tho. like how they added Guns For Hands, that My Blood/Saturday medley, acoustic version of Hoty until the bridge, etc.

[lilac sandal]

This is entirely because of the "lean with it, rock with it" line

[celest gyro]

a part of me also feels like since the covid restrictions were loosening up, Tyler just wanted to show Rosie what he does for work since she couldnt see for all of 2020 lol

[lilac sandal]

Similarly I think the Routines co-writing was probably small input that was enough to require a credit

[celest gyro]

was it actually that 1 line why other ppl were credited? 😭

i mean makes sense obviously but it just seems weird

[lilac sandal]

Yep, that was the reason he included that line, to highlight how abaurd it is that like 8 people wrote that and it doesn't even really mean anything

[gentle rose]

I wonder how exactly that extra songwriter contributed to the song and how ALL those writers of HOTY contributed to it

[celest gyro]

having an additional like 7 ppl write that 1 line while Tyler wrote everything from Blurryface and before himself is actually insane 😭

[celest gyro]

looking at it now. i can see why all these pop artists have like 10 ppl credited as songwriters. they work with a team that each does something so small 😭

with Routines tho i feel like Tyler worked on lyrics and a bit of the instrumental, Paul Meany worked heavily on the instrumental, and that other guys prob just took it in the mainstream route while co writing cause it says hes worked with a bunch of mainstream artists

these are the top songs Jake Torrey (the 3rd writer of Routines) was apart of

i also love how Paul Meany's top songs he co-wrote are all just Trench LMAO

[lilac crescent]

HAI GUYS

[lilac crescent]

i ill leave the city to get to the isle of flightless birds i will go to mullberry street but you have to keep sidewalk under your feet but becuase your with jonny boy you become an addict with a pen so then you have to put that jumpsuit on so you can go to dema (JAIL)

[edgy wolf]

Really? I never knew that.

[jolly oyster]

Can’t find the leak, but is the song good?

[lilac sandal]

One of my favs

[magic fjord]

its amazing

[normal crane]

wait guys, the current leaked versions have been mediocre quality right?

[gentle rose]

Not at all what gave you that idea

[magic fjord]

they're mp3s but thats as bad as they are, theyre decent quality mp3s though

[normal crane]

well i mean the one i have isn't the best quality. it's not awful quality but it sounds pretty compressed, especially the instrumental. feels like there's not much detail

okay maybe i'm tripping, i thought i somehow found a better quality one and it may be a little better but the old one i had wasn't nearly as worse as i thought

okay yeah this is what i mean. the files are a little blown out, they're clipping so it gets really muddy during the louder parts

[modern bloom]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bird-злая-птица-gif-11035121084204696939

[sterile glen]

Did you get yours directly from the leaker? Because i got my file from the link he shared in the forum before it was deleted

Because if yours is the same as mine, the leaker might have just done a poor job ripping from however he got it

[normal crane]

i don't really know where mine came from but it was too early on for anyone to have edited the gain on the file like this

[sterile glen]

Then probably the best version that exists right now just probably isn’t the best. But also that just means when it officially releases we can appreciate it all over again with better quality

[normal crane]

ye i just wasn't sure if there was any better ones that came out since i haven't been paying too much attention

[sterile glen]

As long as it doesn’t have that stupid watermark over it then it’s probably the best we got

[gentle rose]

Ok someone needs to explain to me what is a watermark

[normal crane]

lol i haven't even heard the one with the watermark

[sterile glen]

Every 10 seconds or so on the first leak there would be a voice going “animus… leak” in like a high pitched alien voice

[gentle rose]

I don’t have that on my version of it

Good thing too

[celest gyro]

some ppl used it as a way to prevent it from being copyrighted to my knowledge

[visual oxide]

Bruh it’s pissing me off

[smoky cloak]

i heard this while listening and it was really annoying me, ty for confirming im not crazy

it gets buzzy in the loudest parts

didnt really notice w/o good headphones

[magic fjord]

ur listening to a song thats not out until next month i think you can dea,l with it big man

[prime sparrow]

WHY IS THIS THREAD ACTIVE NOW??!?!

[smoky cloak]

do you mean like, what is this thread? The Line leaked in its entirety last week

[prime sparrow]

I just found out

🥲

[gentle rose]

Was it like really noticeable

[proud juniper]

Yes

It’s the only version of the song I have haha

[scarlet hearth]

My version doesn’t 😊

[magic fjord]

the non watermarked official version is out there

[scarlet hearth]

Yah…

[magic fjord]

somewhere (dot dot dot)

[scarlet hearth]

Somewhere…….

[lilac sandal]

Tfw somehow the first version I heard was unwatermarked

[trail scroll]

Anyone have the line for me to listen to?

[scarlet hearth]

You cant ask that

[trail scroll]

So it can be talked about but asked for?

[scarlet hearth]

You can’t ask for it you cant exchange it here you cant say if you have it here. But you can discuss the leak

[trail scroll]

Let me rephrase then can anyone send me their thoughts on it?

[scarlet hearth]

Oh sure!

Wanna talk about it in private? @trail scroll

[trail scroll]

Yeah!

[scarlet hearth]

Okay DM

[trail scroll]

absolutely

[rapid nest]

The Guy is not my friend.( was a total asshole and said I can't help you) He Said I Have to wait until his shift. His shift Begins when I'm no longer in my town because of a trip so I can't get it until my friend records it for me. I am so sorry for making yall wait longer. But I'll come back with the leak

[magic fjord]

The Guy is not my friend.( was a total asshole and said I can't help you) He Said I Have to wait until his shift. His shift Begins when I'm no longer in my town because of a trip so I can't get it until my friend records it for me. I am so sorry for making yall wait longer. But I'll come back with the leak

[scarlet hearth]

Wtf

[magic fjord]

you just had to be there

[scarlet hearth]

Huh

[magic fjord]

its a copypasta

[scarlet hearth]

Oh

[lilac sandal]

very confused

[scarlet hearth]

Yah me too

Is the four second slowdown really necessary btw

[magic fjord]

i cant believe no one remembers what this is

Very sad

[smoky cloak]

#1212496851123699784 message

I didn't listen to the Clancy leaks so i also didn't know 😂

(I wouldn't have listened to The Line either but I heard like 25s of it before knowing it was a leak and not a legit preview, and it was so good I didn't have the self control to wait 😭 )

[gentle rose]

Yeah I only heard it to see if it was real and it blew my mind

[smoky cloak]

ARSU is absolutely wild, I'm just reading the chat history and like--

for one, they posted a photo of the record store where the employee who was assisting them works like dude

[simple vault]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

that was amazing

[magic fjord]

the mini beef between loisbearer and arsu was definitely a thing that happened

[brittle depot]

loisbearer is goated

[keen bison]

shhhh...... the WBMG and FBR spies are watching

and uhhh..... maybe the band spies

[sterile glen]

haven’t seen anyone talk about this yet

also arcane has removed the “upcoming album” countdown from spotify

so i can’t access my presave anymore

[stone flame]

i remember the presave countdown for clancy glitched once on spotify and it had people thinking it was gonna drop early so maybe it’s a spotify thing?

but maybe also a sign that the band might release their song early? 👀

[gentle rose]

I just looked up the album on iTunes and it doesn’t show most of the artists names on the songs anymore, just Arcane, League of Legends something it removed the artists

Arcane isn’t a musical artist is it

[sterile glen]

yeah if you go to arcanes official spotify page the album doesn’t even exist to try to click on at all anymore

technically arcane is a musical artist i think because that’s the name/account they release the soundtracks under

[lilac sandal]

fr though, what's the point at this point? It's been leaked for a week or more now (I forget the actual day), and we're just over 2 weeks out from the intended release date

[sterile glen]

seems weird, but maybe they were always planning on a surprise release the week the first act of the show released, and it’s not actually related to leaks at all

[gentle rose]

The day was October 25 kind of a memorable number

That’s when I thought something would happen but idk if that counts since it wasn’t official

[lilac sandal]

Oh yes, I remember now

so yea, close to 2 weeks now

releasing it early at this point feels like it defeats the purpose

[smoky cloak]

11/14, just to mess with us (11+14=25)

then we squabble over whether that fulfills the UC25 prophecy

[gentle rose]

Oh here’s another reason it’s March 21

UC 25 is 21.3.25

[smoky cloak]

#1213244361320439828 message

my march 21st rabbit hole / spiral into madness

[gentle rose]

That’s all the right reasons it could be March 21

[sterile glen]

so one day early i guess lol

[lilac sandal]

That's so weird

Why move it up at all if just by 1-2 days

[sterile glen]

yeah really odd

[celest gyro]

i think its more of a promo thing to be a single especially seeing how tøp is the biggest artists on season 2

it gives the more soundtrack hype by having it be the final single so then that can be the main song they promote when the whole soundtrack drops

if its true that it'll be released on 11.22

[gentle rose]

11/22 kinda makes sense since it’s a Friday too

[candid cliff]

(Music video maybe?)

[sterile glen]

probably not at least at first because the leaker typically specifies when a song will receive a video

[lilac sandal]

However, if The Line really is releasing on the 22nd, it probably isn't a single

I'd imagine single music videos are coordinated directly by Arcane's team and fit their specifications

whereas, ones for non-singles might get more freedom to do what they want, when they want

[gentle rose]

Really? It’s a day before the last episodes not the same day, it’ll definitely be a single

[lilac sandal]

The countdown for the whole album on Spotify is gone

so it's possible it was just moved up 1 day overall

I feel like releasing a single 1 day ahead kind of defeats the purpose and doesn't seem that likely

but it's possible

[gentle rose]

And who says it’ll get a music video when it’s a single. Fake You Out doesn’t have a video and it’s a single

[lilac sandal]

that's not what I'm saying

[gentle rose]

Saturday was released 3 days before SAI

[lilac sandal]

Yes, 3 days is much more typical than 1 day, it's also different when it's a soundtrack with many artists vs. one artist's album

Currently we have 3-(4?) singles already confirmed for this soundtrack, all releasing ahead of time, and as far as I know, last time, they didn't have one releasing right before or at the same time as the full album

but I think that's good news for TOP fans

[sterile glen]

they did bring it back yesterday and it seems they moved it back to release on the 24th now (12pm est)

[lilac sandal]

if it is indeed meant to be lore-tied, a single would probably be limited to requiring an Arcane music video and would prevent them from making a lore one instead

but if it's just another song on the album, the Arcane team probably wouldn't care that much if they do their own thing

ok, 2 days is more likely than 1 if that's true

[magic fjord]

i dont think this is necessarily true. even if it is just another song on the album any promotion for the show would benefit them, so assuming it is getting a music video i dont think its insane to think itll be related to arcane regardless of its status as a single. especially considering its very blatant references to events that are supposedly happening in the show

[smoky cloak]

sorry wouldn't the 24th be moving it back one day? i think it was initially scheduled for the 23rd no?

[sterile glen]

oops that’s what i meant by moving it up but yeah i phrased that weird

[smoky cloak]

so it sounds like

• overall soundtrack release delayed by 1 day from original plans (according to Spotify), which is odd bc the last episodes should air on the 23rd, so why wait 36 hours to release the soundtrack after the last episodes go live...?
• The Line release date allegedly (from animus leaks) moved to 22nd, one day prior to the episodes it will be in being aired

i dont think the first bullet point has anything to do with TOP but i am v curious why they did that

[smoky cloak]

maybe this is the label issue that the rioter was talking about -- TOP wanting to do their own thing with the song outside of arcane 🤷

[magic fjord]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

whatever the case may be i still highly doubt it is a lore song

interpret it however you want of course but aside from the second verse I never really could see it being more than a heathens type thing

also

it being the potential 14th song on Clancy doesnt really make sense either (but thats also largely in part due to my own beliefs on the double album theory, of course being that i dont believe it exists). considering where it would have to be in the storyline to work properly it would kinda make the last "arc" of this story feel a bit disappointingly written, if thats the phrase id use. just feels too late in the story to push this kind of wrench in their plans. as realistic as it may be, its still a story, and it should still stand up without the knowledge of its irl context.

hold* up

"should still stand up" sounds weird

[smoky cloak]

it makes perfect sense to me as part of top lore start at PS but we shall see

(dont have any more to say about how it ties into top lore and the clancy timeline than i already have earlier in the tread)

[magic fjord]

yeah ive had people explain it to me but idk i still just cant see it

[lilac sandal]

I'm not saying it won't be. I'm saying if it's a single, Arcane's team would likely prevent them from doing a lore video without Arcane references for it, but this is less likely if it's not a single

[lilac sandal]

Yea, I mean, you know my opinion here but I don't think this makes for a bad story, just different. People compare the idea to Infinity War and Endgame which I think is a reasonable comparison if that is what they're doing

The last arc doesn't become pointless if he fails again here, just takes on different meaning, that being, whether his new ability and "training" are sufficient for him to overcome, or if a piece is still missing

[sterile glen]

animus has been suspended rip

[magic fjord]

idk if that is a good comparison though, but i can see where it comes from if thats the case

but i should clarify

i dont think the story as a whole would be bad if they did it or the final arc becomes pointless necessarily. just that it would feel weird and disappointing to me at least

or like

weirdly paced i guess?

like whatevers happening after clancy isnt gonna be ALL lore if it is indeed more than just one or two songs

i think thats reasonable to think regardless of your thoughts on the double album theory

if he fails here i think there would need to be a bit more buildup to the actual finale so we can see clancy recover from the failure and finally figure out what hes missing if that makes sense

a failure here (if you believe he can come back from it, i really dont after the war they started in paladin) would take a bit longer to recover from. i mean it took a whole 3+ years to recover from levitate and that was not nearly as high stakes idk

i think they kinda screwed themselves here though

if im gonna be completely honest

if theyre indeed going for the whole "clancy fails and has to find what hes missing" idea anyway

the journal being released makes dmaorg unusable as a vehicle for lore, or else the journals would be incomplete and people wouldnt be happy with that. which makes it difficult to tell a ton of lore without spending a ton of money on lore mvs.

and with clancy being confirmed to be the last album in the lore they cant just go "oh wait guys the storys over with the next album!!!"

they gotta resolve it within the next 3 years

though now that i think about it idk what that had to do with the point i was making

the point is if they're doing another clancy failure and recovery arc they need a bit more than just a lore song or two to do it, which regardless of your thoughts on the double album theory is what we could reasonably expect from any musical continuation of the lore

[lilac sandal]

I could see it being like Trench, a lot of lore-related songs but not all of them have music videos

I could also see at least 3 lore-related music videos if they get a bigger budget for it because it's the ending, considering the Clancy-era lore videos were mostly lower budget, and with the tour being wildly successful and if there's a second album part, they might get a second big chunk of budget

The story could be expanded upon through lore-adjacent music that gives a good idea of where the arc is going

as for dmaorg, I think it's likely that they won't use it anymore for letters, but could realistically do more like the Paladin teaser or non-journal-format stuff

but alternatively, they're pretty creative in figuring out ways to convey what they have in mind for story. We already have all of the FPE letters which aren't that different from dmaorg letters, yet aren't on the site or in a journal. They could even do something basically the same and not brand it as part of Clancy's journal to get past that issue, or figure out something new entirely. Or we could see more dmaorg content that isn't in journal form, like videos or other cryptic stuff. Maybe they could even have a second journal to accompany a second album, featuring Bandito letters and any final story stuff

And piecing it together from all angles, there's a lot of story and background that could be conveyed without too many more music videos. (Kind of like SAI era, where a ton of stuff happened through at least 4 different formats)

[smoky cloak]

🎹 🎶 my body's on the line now 🎶 🎹

[edgy wolf]

As an audiophile, this upsets me.

[lilac sandal]

You know what else sill upset you then?

For some reason Heathens is mastered with a -3 db ceiling

[edgy wolf]

...why

[edgy wolf]

Also since you know this random piece of trivia, I have to ask, what did you think of the mixing & mastering on Clancy VS Trench or even SAI?

[lilac sandal]

I prefer the Trench style personally, both the slightly more dynamic sound and the style of compression they used. (More of an organic/rock sound.) But what I do love about Clancy is that it sounds so crisp and clear for how hard the master is compressed, I didn't even realize how much they pushed it until I dug into it more

[edgy wolf]

I strongly agree.

I have to say, the compression on Clancy has gotten a little frustrating at times, as I was hoping they would go back to that dynamic rock sound. I wonder what the ideal listening setup is for Clancy.

Lossless format (CD audio or highest quality digital rips) + some sort of mixer?

[lilac sandal]

Yea, probably honestly. And I agree lol, now that I know I can't unhear it on some songs

[edgy wolf]

Same, like I can't unhear the compression on Backslide, RiTN, and ATRoFD for example.

Backslide is the worst case imo, although I think Overcompensate is also badly affected by the master, namely because that song has so. many. layers.

And all those layers feels smooshed together in the final mix.

[lilac sandal]

Yep, that's a big one that stands out to me

[edgy wolf]

I wonder why they chose to master it like that. When they had the option to go lossless

Or at least compress it a little less. I always thought SAI sounded a little more compressed than Trench, but not to the point where it was badly obvious (except for a few small cases)

[lilac sandal]

yea, I wondered the same thing, maybe they just felt it fit the musical style this time but I think it's a bit too much

[edgy wolf]

I'm happy for the people who don't notice it, but for people like me, it definitely hurts my experience. Because I can't unnotice it 🥲

[plain cliff]

AH loves to export his mixes way low too

[bold solstice]

hey is The Line in the first 3 episodes or not?

[gentle rose]

No it’s in the last 3

Gotta wait two more weeks for the non leak listeners

[celest gyro]

wait is that confirmed?

[gentle rose]

Yeah

Episode 8 specifically

[bold solstice]

damn that sounds like its gonna be a huge moment

[gentle rose]

Yeah BUT…

Here’s another leak for you

[bold solstice]

I dont want any spoilers btw

[gentle rose]

No not about the show

[bold solstice]

Oh alright then

[gentle rose]

The song itself will release on the 22nd

If you didn’t know that it’s big news I guess

[bold solstice]

I have already heard the leak lmao

[gentle rose]

Did you know it’s coming out on the 22

[bold solstice]

but hopefully there'll be a music video

[bold solstice]

i knew the soundtrack was dropping when they would release the last arc of arcane

which was 23rd nov

[gentle rose]

It’s looking like the single is coming out the day before though

[bold solstice]

its releasing a day earlier I see

[gentle rose]

Yeah

[bold solstice]

interesting

[vestal siren]

well, the 22nd is a friday, and music usually releases on friday, so

[gentle rose]

Mhm it’ll be a big moment

[celest gyro]

my guess is The Line is releasing on that friday so it can get added to all the new music friday playlists and it can be promoted as like the big single of the Arcane soundtrack

[sterile glen]

it doesn’t really seem like the type of song you would push as the “big single” off the soundtrack in my opinion. i feel like “come play” was much more the big one they wanted to release and it’s performing very well. maybe i’m wrong, it just doesn’t sound like the type of song you’d try to get radio play with or anything

[celest gyro]

i think they only might want The Line as the big single only cause of tøp being the biggest artist of the soundtrack

which makes sense. id be surprised if The Line wasn't released as a single seeing how big tøp is

[lilac sandal]

Linkin Park is arguably bigger

[brittle depot]

Linkin stray kids and young miko

[celest gyro]

linkin park doesnt count cause the song wasnt made for Arcane. its just a score of a song that'll be on linkin park's new album

[celest gyro]

and twenty one pilots has definitely done more success than stray kids and young miko

[lilac sandal]

Not if we're counting worldwide, Stray Kids is huge in Asia

[celest gyro]

huge in asia, but looking at the spotify stats, stray kids only have 10 million monthly listeners worldwide. tøp has almost 30 million and has had 3 mainstream radio hit singles

[magic fjord]

twenty one pilots being one of the bigger artists on the soundtrack doesnt mean itll be a single. they also have to take into account it's radio playability and while there are slower and sadder songs on the radio, the line doesn't really fit the kind of thing they're looking for on the radio. at best it might get a music video and some promo on the boys end but that's about all

[gentle rose]

Who cares about the radio is that all singles are worth

[magic fjord]

i mean

[gentle rose]

God I hate how the industry works

[magic fjord]

singles are made singles for the express purpose of promotion

radio is important for promotion

its always been like that

either way though i dont really think the line is radio material

single* material, sorry had radio on the brain

[celest gyro]

at the end of the day it is up to Riot Games with what they do cause ig technically this is their first song that wont be under Fueled By Ramen

Fueled By Ramen might have some type of involvement since its 1 of their artists on the soundtrack. but yeah The Line will technically be considered a song underneath Riot Games

[river nacelle]

mhm it will be considered under riot games

[smoky cloak]

in the industry, it seems to me, that singles on the radio are currency

😂 however i guarantee y'all riot doesn't gaf about any songs charting

• it'd be nice as like free promo but not a major goal -- they did release some of the others early to generate some buzz

except maybe heavy is the crown, but that'd be for the worlds version not for the arcane version

is it possible to release a song before an album but have it not be a single?

so far every song has gotten either a music video or visualizer (eg this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sekyV_o2pM) so i think we can be hopeful that The Line will get one too : D

i wonder if we'll get an arcane music video or visualizer AND a TOP music video (eventually)

granted some of the 'visualizers' are just one unmoving image

[lilac sandal]

tbf those are singles, but yea, I think it's fairly likely that it'll get something

[brittle depot]

Warwick visual calling it now

[river nacelle]

i think we might get a visualiser, unsure about a mv though

since most if not all singles from the arcane soundtracks had a visualiser

except paint the town blue because i believe it had a music video by ashnikko

[river nacelle]

actually there's a high chance we might get a mv from top though

[river nacelle]

since.. heathens has one and its also a soundtrack so

i forgot to add to my sentence earlier

[magic fjord]

we might get one but i think it heavily depends on whether its THEIR choice whether to make a music video or if its up to riot

[river nacelle]

mhm

[soft ruin]

i choose to believe in a mv happening purely because i'm delusional at ALL moments

[bold solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rt4xPvM_x8A

the lyrics go hard

[celest gyro]

its likely the video could be them performing in the arcane animation form i feel like

[craggy lava]

This season of Arcane is already using much more of the songs included then little spurts. And based on what we’ve seen jn Act 1 it’s gonna tear me apart when The Line plays

[jolly oyster]

I can not find the leak for the life of me and I fear it may be dema interfering

That’s my theory

[raven viper]

based

[celest gyro]

i think the leak got copyrighted and removed for everyone that posted it

cause it was easy for me to find it when it first got leaked but now i cant

[brittle depot]

hi any lines

[raven viper]

hi any segments

[solemn wagon]

i snorted a line listening to the line

song's good

[summer comet]

my man

[plain cliff]

real

[granite monolith]

Can't believe this channel dies in 2 days

Much like the lord Christ himself loisbearer came back and returned to the heavens

[gentle rose]

Not 2 days 9 days

The Line comes out with act 3

[granite monolith]

Oh cringe

[magic fjord]

ahem, herself*

and she is not dead she is very much alive

[granite monolith]

Ohh you haven't caught up to the traitor arc my b

[pure laurel]

Where's the leak

[untold granite]

https://rocksound.tv/news/twenty-one-pilots-arcane-soundtrack

[magic fjord]

of course THEY wrote the perfect song in one try god damn

only tyler joseph

[hollow prairie]

inb4 we find out he already had some stuff written and it just so happened to fit the scene

[upper ermine]

I also can't find it. Showed up on my feed back when it first came out, said to myself that I'd check it out later, haven't been able to find it since 😦

[magic fjord]

its certainly out there

[upper ermine]

Unfortunately no where I can find it!

[shell shard]

I got you

wait I can’t send it on here can I

[stone flame]

no

you can’t even talk about having it or sending it to people

[shell shard]

ok good bc I was just joking

💯

[smoky cloak]

"I won’t say what the temp track was, but it was a song that immediately made me think that Tyler Joseph has to write this. The moment was designed for this band."

I'm curious why they thought this bc to me The Line doesn't seem like something extremely TOP. Maybe I'm just overthinking it and they thought that bc they already knew TOP wanted to be involved

Three days? What in the world

Tyler wrote their best song in three days. Unbelievable

I wish they had given us a rough date for when this happened.. ik arcane leaked episodes 1-5 (out of 9 total) in July and those episodes already had all but one of their songs (the one that didn't had placeholder music)... so seems like a reasonable assumption that they had almost all of the music by July, but there could have been stragglers

[lilac sandal]

FWIW 3 days for writing a TOP song isn't that unusual, he usually sets aside a whole day and by the end of it he has it more or less developed if the idea clicks. Of course it can be adjusted later. But some of them just don't need anything additional

Curious if he worked with Paul on this one

[gentle rose]

Honestly no idea who knows

[wet bone]

These episodes were from End of June 2023 even if it was placeholder music they’re missing most tracks from ep 4-6 (look at spotify playlist its in order) Also remember that Mako is making music for arcane, back in season 1 he literally said that he writes a song sing it then send it to artist and wait for response (Woodkid for example literally finished whole song by himself) And it’s still that way, you can literally hear “Heavy is the crown” on leak performed by Mako or unfinished “Renegade” and “Paint the Town Blue” also “Remember me” is missing on those leaks

[lilac sandal]

It depends on the song though, some songs are written by Mako and others are written by the artist

it depends on if the artist is able to fit the sound and context well, not everyone can

[wet bone]

true but for me “the line” sounds more like Lana del ray song rather than twenty one pilots

I was really disappointed cause I know how good arcane s1 music was

I was expecting something way more powerful

[lilac sandal]

hmm

that's a hot take

for me it's one of TOP's best and most emotionally impactful songs

also we know Tyler wrote it because they said so in the interview

Also Tyler never lets other people write his music for him, no exceptions

[stone flame]

??? how does it sound like a lana del rey song

[wet bone]

maybe visuals with story will change my mind but it’ll be hard

[stone flame]

is it just because it’s slower

[lilac sandal]

I could see Lana Del Rey singing it, composition-wise there are some similarities

[wet bone]

no, its because of how he sing

[lilac sandal]

I don't think that's a bad thing, I love it and I still feel like it sounds like TOP

they're always evolving their sound

[gentle rose]

Yeah the sound of The Line sounds really emotional but also a little empty because of the fake drums

[wet bone]

don’t get me wrong I really enjoy lana’s music, and yop you might be right looking at older stuff from tyler like NPI or Self Titled it sounds like top but..

[lilac sandal]

They almost always use fake drums with a live layer, this is just maybe more obviously fake than usual, I guess

[wet bone]

yeah and as much as I want them to evolve I miss blurryface and vessel 😔

[magic fjord]

??????

[bronze shadow]

im not listening to leaks, how does the single compare to other songs

[smoky cloak]

hmm i guess we saw different leaks?? bc nothing you said is how the leaks i saw were o.0 my leaks were in russian, idk if there are multiple leaks out there or what

or at least... i thought heavy is the crown was the same version and paint the town blue and renegade i also didnt think were any different. but, maybe im just misremembering and i dont wanna go through them again 😭

i can say with certainty that in ep 4 and 5 of the leak i saw, only one song was missing

[smoky cloak]

its really different, in some ways the sound esp in the middle/end isnt like any other top song exactly; the closest imo is leave the city, other people have said neon gravestones -- to me the song is like if leave the city and 'what could have been' (Sting song for arcane season 1) had a child

• its not out of left field, if you put it with the other track 14s it fits very well -- it just wasn't what i was expecting them to do for arcane, i assumed they'd be doing a higher energy 'rebellion' type song

[wet bone]

Mine was in english with unfinished animation for ep 4 and 5 and afaik it was first leak. Never heard of russian leak

[wet bone]

same here

[granite monolith]

It leaked again..? This time without the watermark I assume

[lilac sandal]

the watermark-free version has been leaked since soon after the other one

if there's something else it's probably not new, unless the episode leaked or something

[magic fjord]

yeah it leaked without the watermark a while ago

[bold solstice]

On the same day itself

Anyone here watched act 2?

I can’t imagine where they are gonna use the song

It sounds like an emotional moment, but we have had enough of those, wouldn’t wanna see more suffering

[lilac sandal]

I'm sure there's lots more suffering to come

I'm hoping there's a light at the end of the tunnel though

[edgy wolf]

Such a shame…

[lilac sandal]

I don't think so

it's typical of pop and especially hip hop styles to not use fully live drums

[dim island]

My doodooz on the line now I can’t fart this time now 🤪

[granite monolith]

😭 god I hate how hard it is to know about leaks without being intensely in the loop

[granite monolith]

at least we're free tomorrow

[timber elbow]

Does it come out tomorrow ?

[loud sluice]

im watching the opening and every1 has a line laser, maybe thats has a meaning

[celest gyro]

did anyone see the post that the version of The Line that got leaked was apparently a demo...

[lilac sandal]

I did not, where did you find that?

That'd be kinda wild if so

if that's true though

it could very well be the song after Paladin, that would explain why it's in the right key for it but doesn't actually have that pad sound

could also be why the drums sound more purely fake and there's no audible Josh layer, because Tyler's demos don't feature Josh

there's also no audible vocal layering in it, which, while not impossible for TOP, is unusual and I thought it was kinda odd

[lilac sandal]

if you can find this again, i'd love to see

[celest gyro]

this is all i could find so take it with a grain of salt

[lilac sandal]

Interesting

oh ok, the person who leaked it in the first place said it was actually an unmixed demo

so it's probably reliable

[tidal salmon]

a****s said that?

[lilac sandal]

yep

[tidal salmon]

dumb discord, four asterisks

[gentle rose]

Oh damn, now I’m super excited for what the production is really gonna sound like

If that’s true though I think I’ll still keep the demo just for reference

[lilac sandal]

gosh, i really hope there aren't people who listened to the leak and will be like "why did you change this? it was so good before"

when it's not like they wanted anyone to hear the demo in the first place

[gentle rose]

It’ll definitely be better in the official release but I really hope they don’t do that much vocal layering

[lilac sandal]

I expect it to be similar to Paladin Strait or Leave The City's amount of layering, I'd guess

[gentle rose]

That probably works

[sterile glen]

is there a screenshot of the leaker saying it was a demo because i stayed very caught up with all of that and never saw anything about that

[sterile glen]

and again this account has been known to post misinformation multiple times

[stone flame]

same here

i don’t think the leaker would have included their tag to the leak if it was just a demo

i’m not sure though. maybe they would’ve

[celest gyro]

they wouldve cause even if it was just a demo, its still a copyright thing for a song that no one should've had access to

[smoky cloak]

It was a demo?! It was already amazing how can it be better ?!!!! I'm so excited

(Well not having the sound compression in the loud parts would be a good start--)

[lilac sandal]

Yea, Tyler's demos are so high quality these days

was noticing that with the Chlorine demo too and they seem to have only gotten better since then

[magic fjord]

HIGHLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY doubt the lyrics will be different, but im very interested in seeing how the final version sounds if true

[magic fjord]

im not sure they did say that because im pretty sure all their socials were taken down

[magic fjord]

honestly if i had to guess the only real differences if it is an unmixed demo would be that they probably added a live drum and just kinda polished the sound

[gentle rose]

The line is called the line because it will play when a character says an iconic line and the song will feature the line, hence the name the line

[gentle rose]

I think The Line is called that because it’s the literal line between Clancy part 1 and Clancy part 2, it’s just too perfect it’s even called The Line

The line is called the line because it features a line from every song off of unnamed clancy sequel

That’s probably not true

[magic fjord]

the line is probably actually called the line because it's a song in which the narrator has crossed or is about to cross a metaphorical line that might ruin their relationships actually

and the lyrics of course heavily reference this line

[shell shard]

here’s the real version https://youtu.be/rt4xPvM_x8A?si=N0XTL37aCDoWbJ8c

trust

[granite monolith]

Still no line..?

I'm lining out rn this sucks

Oh 3 more days sick I thought it was the 19th

[magic fjord]

further thoughts on the unmixed demo rumour

[sterile glen]

@stiff fable this was the leaker’s last post related to the line before the account was suspended

as far as i’m aware

[stiff fable]

Ohhh okay so it did change

Bc it did originally say 23rd at one point

[sterile glen]

yes

[stiff fable]

Or an older post said 23rd

But sweet. Please please give us a mv for the song

Animated Josh and Tyler and even Nico I need it so bad

[sterile glen]

i imagine it will be like the marcus king and d4vd songs because they both released a day before their respective acts

[robust bone]

That would be beautiful actually, especially with arcane's animation

LP was animated for their song so I don't see why not

[sterile glen]

also before act three releases who do we think the song is about? i imagine either warwick or viktor based on the lyrics and the whole ||“my body’s on the line now/i’d rather you not be here for what could be my final form”||

also ||“keep the memories of who i was before”||

[sterile glen]

actually i’m getting from a source that it’s about jinx so that’s terrifying 😭

[gentle rose]

I’ll say again, I can’t believe TOP turned the clique into Arcane fans just because of this one song

[sterile glen]

not me i’ve been obsessed since 2021, but it is really neat hearing about so many clikkies watching it for the first time

[lilac sandal]

I think it's very natural for clikkies to get into Arcane or already be into it, for the same reasons that Tyler was so willing to work on it

There's a lot of crossover between the tone and the core ideas/philosophies

[sterile glen]

yeah definitely i agree

[sterile glen]

also both of the songs that were released a day early before their acts have received 7” vinyls, so as long as the line is the day early release planned for act 3, there’s like a 90% chance it will have a 7” vinyl

[gentle rose]

Ooh that’ll be cool to get

[stiff fable]

My source (cris) says it’s about Warwick (I haven’t watched the show)

[stiff fable]

GOD I HOPE WE GET A MERCH SET WITH THE SONG

[brittle depot]

it just makes more sense

I'd say Warwick then Viktor and then jinx

Warwick for the win

[magic fjord]

im watching episode 6 rn so ill just take your word for it until its over

[magic fjord]

okay so

1. WHAT THE FUCKKKKKK

[magic fjord]

2. PLEASE elaborate

[brittle depot]

I'd rule out jinx out of the question just from the focus the song has on the body theme, I know she has the tattoos and the lost finger but if they're focusing so much into a transformation Warwick and then Viktor make more sense

and theeeen from there keep this quote in mind

Viktor doesn't have any family lol

[smoky cloak]

im so excited

[untold granite]

https://arcane.lnk.to/theline?fbclid=PAY2xjawGrS01leHRuA2FlbQIxMQABpmWBIi8OdVyDV560yIiku4_3nucjsFwJVXEQc3X4MPM4K1K7nv0eKU2CDw_aem_hUg7BMTcVs7E6ME_HtOnbA

You can pre-save the line now

[magic fjord]

oh then you can probably check the release date thru that

[untold granite]

Why is it on tik tok already 😭

[snow solstice]

Wait seriously?

[lilac sandal]

Sounds exactly like the leaked one so this most likely confirms it wasn't a demo

[thin copper]

this demo rumor sounds like cope

[plain cliff]

It is

[snow solstice]

Apparently the songs already now out in new zealand?

[thin copper]

i believe it comes out by timezone, so i guess there are already a few ones that have the song?

[snow solstice]

yeah im seeing the TOP Updates account just posted it so

[thin copper]

https://x.com/TOPUPDATERS/status/1859573834795368900

TØP Updates (@TOPUPDATERS) on X

.@twentyonepilots' "The Line" is coming everywhere MIDNIGHT! It's already out in New Zealand on all streaming platforms.

Twitter · Nov 21, 2024, 12:25 PM

just saw the tweet too

[nova valley]

Yeah midnight local

[hollow agate]

this was such a nice surprise, i was fully prepared to wait another 2 days

[nova valley]

Same

[sterile glen]

are you guys very active in the server because we’ve been talking about it releasing a day early for a bit now

also this pretty much confirms we’re getting a 7” vinyl for the line 🥳

[smoky cloak]

can anyone confirm whether the official matches the leak

i tried using vpns and spotify saw right through me

[nova valley]

Where do I find the leak?

[sterile glen]

if you have tiktok it’s a sound on there and it matches

[hallow mulch]

i hate that it releases at different times for everyone

[hollow agate]

midnight local time is pretty standard for new releases i think

[nova valley]

Yeah the only I've seen that isn't midnight local this year is ttpd and chromakopia

[hollow agate]

yeah and it's one of the best things about living in nz or australia because we always get albums first lol

[weak mirage]

does anyone have the link to the individual track on spotify? i just wanna see what happens when a USA acct visits it

https://x.com/joshlerluvbot/status/1859571460177805435?s=46 like how ot looks like this in NZ/Aus

indica | SAW TØP 17/11 (@joshlerluvbot) on X

y’all

Twitter · Nov 21, 2024, 12:15 PM

[nova valley]

https://open.spotify.com/track/3qrTll9OQ9wcejTxPFY0qg?si=1G8dEbKfRj-0F3PZYUfLcQ&context=spotify%3Aalbum%3A4aE8ZrEif8MgWvFNIbz8I6

[weak mirage]

💀

i figured this would be the case, i just wanted to see what the date said on the bottom for me

[placid pendant]

what the fuck, this version is worse- what happened to “ANIMUS” that was the best part /s

[steel valley]

THE LINE IS A VIKTOR SONG?

HOLY SHIT!

[nova valley]

It is?

[weak mirage]

i havent seen enough of arcane

[steel valley]

this song is definitely next episode

[weak mirage]

im watching more tonight 💀💀

im only midway thru s1 still

[steel valley]

keep going, amazing show , i binged it between saturday and monday, worth it

[nova valley]

Oh yeah based on the visuals

||he's definetly dead||

[steel valley]

listen to the song

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 2!

[weak mirage]

i just havent had the time to catch up 😭

[steel valley]

||because of what happened in episode 6 and listening to the lyrics and looking at the visuals it’s definitely next episode||

[steel valley]

unfortunate

[nova valley]

||based on the order of songs I think it will be ep 8||

[steel valley]

||i don’t think so, why would they need a viktor song with these visuals and these lyrics a whole episode later||

[nova valley]

||i assume they are gonna go back to whatever heimer and jayce were doing||

[gentle rose]

The leaker already said it’s gonna be episode 8

[steel valley]

Oh

arcane pacing is weird

[smoky cloak]

no i dont think they did? im the one that said episode 8

[sterile glen]

what are the visuals oh no

[smoky cloak]

and that could be wrong

[gentle rose]

Episode 8 does make sense though cause The Line sounds like something that plays right before the final battle in both the show and the lore I hope

[nova valley]

||visuals of viktor||

[smoky cloak]

ok im going to finally watch act 2

worried ill be too depressed to go to work after tho lol

[steel valley]

no spoilers but episode 6

[nova valley]

Or a death

[steel valley]

i’m not going to say anything else

[sterile glen]

could you screen record the visuals and just spoiler the vid perchance?

[smoky cloak]

i was already spoiled 😭

cautionary tale, if youre as chronically tuned in as i am dont wait to watch episodes bc youll manage to be spoiled no matter how careful you are

[gentle rose]

Oh damn that could be true

[nova valley]

The visuals arnet playing for me anymore

[sterile glen]

😫

[steel valley]

lmfao, this is why i just avoided everything arcane related until i finished everything so far

[sterile glen]

thank you!

[steel valley]

there’s an infestation in his minds imagination

[hallow mulch]

i’m so jealous

[steel valley]

just be aussie or kiwi tbh

[tidal salmon]

or vpn

i have an australian account for situations like these

[steel valley]

JUST MOVE HERE!

[nova valley]

I just do something called living in New zealand

Idk if it's recency bias but I think the line is better than most of clancy

[steel valley]

hey how did you get a role for the event you went to?

[nova valley]

Go to channels and roles and click in the drop-down

I know the scene with this song is gonna break me

[steel valley]

cheers

istg if they don’t play this live on sunday

[plain cliff]

they wont

[steel valley]

why

[plain cliff]

they not gonna add a brand new song randomly

[nova valley]

I wouldn't blame the for not adding it

[steel valley]

they already removed fake you out

might as well sub it out?

[shell shard]

wait why!?

[steel valley]

i don’t know

[plain cliff]

lol

[nova valley]

We have no idea

[steel valley]

but that just leaves them a slot to insert a new song

[nova valley]

I guess it was to fake us out

[steel valley]

what if they play the opening to fake you out just to play the line instead

[nova valley]

That sure would be a fake out

[steel valley]

it would be funny as hell

would genuinely laugh my ass off

[hollow agate]

i know nothing abt arcane but the line sounds like a nice, natural progression from clancy. especially paladin strait

i absolutely love it

[steel valley]

go watch arcane

[nova valley]

It feels like clancy mixed with like leave the city

[steel valley]

we will be here when you get back

in like 7.5hrs

[hollow agate]

lmao 😭 i might have to now

[steel valley]

the craving x christmas saves the year x leave the city

[nova valley]

Like 10 hours

[steel valley]

probably, i lost track of time

[lilac sandal]

can someone send the yt link for it please? Not showing up for me in searches

and i'm on a vpn so it should

(this is legal btw so not a leak)

[nova valley]

I haven't found a yt link yet

[lilac sandal]

weird, I wonder if it's only Spotify

it's on the Soundcloud page

||it is indeed exactly like the leak, def wasn't a demo||

[magic fjord]

^^^^

[sterile glen]

what??? tourclancy was lying about something again??? this is unbelievable!/s

[magic fjord]

i mean

honestly it really wasn't hard to figure out that it was misinformation to begin with 😭 the only people who'd have access to their demos would never share them because they're literally them

this does also confirm that it isnt the song that comes after paladin

[magic fjord]

like beyond a reasonable doubt i mean

[lilac sandal]

not necessarily, my theory is that they may have an album version which they add to Clancy a bit later

which I wouldn't have thought possible at all, except they now have shown that separate album/single versions is something they'll do in certain circumstances

it would also kinda resolve the whole arcane/lore music video thing if it is lore, since that way they could have the album one be "their" version

[magic fjord]

the thing is though the song that plays at the end of paladin doesn't sound like it would be slow and sad and in fact contextwise SHOULD be more intense

also with the craving there was a clear distinction made from the get-go

[lilac sandal]

well, I could def see the lyrical content of The Line fitting a more upbeat song

that's true, but I kind of wouldn't expect them to make that kind of distinction on an official soundtrack if that is the direction they're going

[weak mirage]

seems so

[lilac sandal]

or misremembered

does anyone have examples of them lying in the past?

because I'd def prefer to give them the benefit of the doubt unless it's something that was clearly willful dishonesty

[magic fjord]

werent you the one who pointed out the chord progression isnt the exact same? i mean even with the craving the chord progression stayed the same (and with other artists, the difference between a single and album version aren't ever so drastic that theyd need to change the chord progression)

[lilac sandal]

Not chord progression, since there's not enough in the Paladin vid to have an idea of the chord progression

the only thing we have for certain is that distorted pad

[magic fjord]

right

[sterile glen]

they’ve lied about songs on the setlist multiple times, they’ve stolen graphics and posts from more trustworthy sources without credit, and they’ve used their account to self promote their personal fan account and merchandise. just not a great account

[lilac sandal]

which I noted is not in The Line as we have it, but it is in the right key

[lilac sandal]

bruh, good to know, that's sad

[lilac sandal]

of course I wouldn't take this alone as significant evidence

[weak mirage]

they tried to steal the clancy project as well

[magic fjord]

my bad then but i think my main concern does still kinda stand that they wouldn't change the song TOO drastically if there indeed is a distinction between the arcane version and a potential album version, and the song being slow and sad is just kinda embedded in his vocals. im not so sure a more intense sound would fit the line and the pad at the end of paladin is very much so a more intense sound

[lilac sandal]

yea, it's def possible that it'll be something else

if so, I think it'd most likely contain the FPE message as lyrics

[magic fjord]

i really do think this will be another heathens situation but at the very least we might get a music video

[lilac sandal]

I hope at least that

[magic fjord]

well the good news there is im pretty sure the other songs that came out as singles all had one maybe

[craggy lava]

The song has definitely been polished since the leak, the instrumentals are mixed much better now imo

[magic fjord]

its not polished, it's just not in a lossy format

i mean it IS polished but it has always been polished

its the same deal with next semester

(next semester was leaked and people said it didn't sound mixed well or whatever and then it was released and it was the exact same but it wasnt an mp3 so it was better)

mp3 files are just inherently lossy and can fuck with compression and clipping

[craggy lava]

Makes sense. I’m glad the song I’ve been chanting for a month and learning how to play is real 😂

[stone flame]

i can never tell compression issues with mp3s a lot of the songs on my ipod are youtube audio to mp3s so i’m probably just used to “lesser” quality music

[sterile glen]

based on riot music on youtube, the first video for the line will be uploaded tonight at midnight est, it will be a still image with the audio over it, and then the next day they should release the official visualizer for the song along with the rest of the soundtrack

[edgy wolf]

Typical, but this is particularly egregious. TØP usually uses sampled drums with a live layer. These drums are just boring sounding, except for the snare rudiments at the end, which still would’ve been more impressive if real and mixed higher.

[sterile glen]

or maybe it will be the official visualizer when it drops tonight because they flip flopped how they did it for the marcus king and d4vd song

[magic fjord]

huh

[edgy wolf]

?

I’m talking about the e-perc on The Line.

[magic fjord]

i mean to each their own but the drums dont even sound bad. they fit the song very well, as "boring" as they may be.

[edgy wolf]

I agree with that.

[lilac sandal]

Strong disagree, they have plenty of detail

Besides, this isn't a first for a TOP single

[edgy wolf]

You know what, that’s fair. As much as I prefer live drums, I do like these.

Cancer is in a similar style.

[lilac sandal]

Exactly

[edgy wolf]

This is a tangent, but I think Backslide and Routines have some of the worst percussion I’ve heard in a TØP song. Flat, compressed, repetitive, and not overly groovy.

The Line on the other hand, has good samples, and an extremely memorable moment in the last half with the snare buildup.

[lilac sandal]

They are heavily compressed

Especially Backslide

But I love that song anyway, I think the drums work for the style

I'm biased because Backslide is actually a top 5 TOP song for me

[edgy wolf]

The only part of the perc I liked in Routines was the rolling snare towards the end right before the “try it again” sample.

[magic fjord]

i hope they play the line live, i wonder how Josh would play particularly the ending bit of the song

[edgy wolf]

It’s a top 5 song on Clancy for me. So it’s a shame how those drums ended up. Especially because Josh’s live performance on Backslide is so much more interesting.

[lilac sandal]

I'd be surprised if they don't, I think it'll be one of their more popular songs once the episode drops

There will definitely be demand

[magic fjord]

oh yeah

to those who want to know

the producers on the line are tyler, paul, and alexander seaver

mako

which honestly isnt too much of a surprise

mako is on like every song in arcane

and of course paul produces every top song like ever

[stiff fable]

Who* is Alex Seaver

[magic fjord]

mako, someone who worked on a lot of, if not all of, the arcane soundtracks

[sterile glen]

wow i guess paul and tyler are just gonna work on everything together now which is really cool i think

[stiff fable]

Oh Alex Seaver = Mako okay

[robust bone]

Perfectly fine by me, paul works so dang well with them it's magic

[granite monolith]

The line is a 10/10 and I'm so scared of it getting treated like heathens

[sterile glen]

i doubt it. it’s not made to be a banger or anything

[jolly oyster]

Makes sense, especially with it being leaked so far from its release date. That gives tons of time for copyrights and such

[gentle rose]

It probably won’t, it doesn’t seem to appeal to the radio sound nearly as much as Heathens or Stressed Out

[rapid nest]

https://www.albumoftheyear.org/artist/421886-alexander-seaver/ whos this fella

[wild peak]

Happy The Line day

[plain cliff]

backslide has incredble percussion elements all through the track. claps constantly layered with the hihat and dif snare samples every other beat in parts of the song

its all samples but thats what makes it impressive + the layers and the sound of them sound so good together

[cyan vine]

So I guess my question is, is the leak the exact same as the official for those in New Zealand who have been enjoying it?

[tidal salmon]

i mean the quality's better but yeah

[plain cliff]

Yep exact same

[granite monolith]

Yeah which is a good thing. I would like it on tour tho

[wet bone]

its mako, he did music for season 1

[gentle rose]

Thanks uYou, and vpn i can listen to it now :D

[midnight summit]

Do we think we’re getting an MV for The Line? Not necessarily tomorrow but in general

[sterile glen]

in my opinion don’t count on it, but i could always be pleasantly surprised

[granite monolith]

I wouldn't think so tbh

They're making this so heavily about it being for arcane (where heathens wasn't done like that iirc)

[gentle rose]

It’s possible

Who knows though

[sterile glen]

although it’s kinda funny that we most likely aren’t getting a music video for this song after tyler’s whole “i hate audio visualizers and lyric videos” thing

[worn jewel]

idk if this is where i should send this but Oh https://x.com/vialistpilot/status/1859699127707369657

glowing eyes vico-// (@vialistpilot) on X

HOLY SHIT??????

Twitter · Nov 21, 2024, 8:43 PM

it looks legit but i cant find it on the website yet

[sterile glen]

AHAT

[stone flame]

i can’t find it on the website either

it must be hidden?

[sterile glen]

or its a super convincing fan concept

[naive hemlock]

where please

[stone flame]

don’t we have a user in here who gets pinged whenever their website gets new nodes or modules?

i feel like we would know if something new got added?

but it looks badass. and definitely ahead of schedule. i was expecting it to come out next year

[naive hemlock]

Definitely fake

[sterile glen]

well yeah it looks like either this guys uncle is very observant or this account is making fake vinyls and trying to get attention

[naive hemlock]

Also does anybody have any link where I could find the song? I've tried everything and can't find a way to get it

somebody said somehing about soundcloud

[stone flame]

not that this means anything but i already have that user muted and i only mute people on twitter who are annoying and spread rumors or lies so i don’t know if that has any weight here 😭

[sterile glen]

lmao yep i’m convinced then

[raven raptor]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 14!

[worn jewel]

damn

looked actually legit

[stone flame]

it saying add to cart and not preorder is also weird to me. if it was real

[tawny wigeon]

i think thats fake lol

[worn jewel]

thats true

[stiff fable]

AYO

[tawny wigeon]

they would 100% not call it "CLANCY LIVE!"

[stiff fable]

oh

[tawny wigeon]

with an exclamation mark 😭

[sterile glen]

watching nick read chats in real time is funny

“just give him a minute he’ll catch up”

[worn jewel]

leak nation was almost back again sry guys

[stiff fable]

[stiff fable]

lol

[tawny wigeon]

lol troll account

honestly funny tbh

[sterile glen]

this guys uncle is really lucky holy shit

[stone flame]

why is always the uncle 😭 i guess just enough of a degree of separation to be legit

[worn jewel]

isnt it usually cousins

[stone flame]

also a weird thing with the tracklist. why would they split up b-stage but shove shy away/heathens/next semester all in one track

[magic fjord]

mako

[rapid nest]

fake

[rapid nest]

also where slowtown

literally u can tell its fake from the setlist

[sterile glen]

yes 👍

[rapid nest]

but why woud someone fake this much lmafo

its way too much effort

unless they used ai

[sterile glen]

i mean they typically get thousands of impressions when they make those fake posts so they probably just do it to cause mass hysteria and get clout

[rapid nest]

LMAFO WAIT ITS LITERALLY FROM HERE

[gentle rose]

What the hell is this

[rapid nest]

fan made

[gentle rose]

Oh

[rapid nest]

fan made studio versions album

[rapid nest]

they literally copy pasted from the fan made version LMAFO

the setlist

[sterile glen]

they even tagged twenty one pilots in their twitter post it’s kinda cute how much they want attention

[rapid nest]

clancy live! (literally they wouldn't call it that)

in fact hold on

@sterile glen fuck can't see what its saying here

its probably from a normal clancy vinly

cant make out what it says here too

[sterile glen]

i’m not sure where they got that design from

[rapid nest]

anyways its obviously fake lmafo

why am i going this deep

i liked it better when my car had sound

[sterile glen]

pre line mania

[rapid nest]

turkey got the line 44mins ago

[gentle rose]

How is that cute it just gets more and more annoying the more real looking these attention seeking idiots make it

[rapid nest]

anyways i fear the live album is after tour ends

[sterile glen]

yeah probably

[gentle rose]

It’ll probably be right before Europe judging by the timeframe of the other live albums

[rapid nest]

@gentle rose oh my god

[gentle rose]

Sorry why am I pinged here

[rapid nest]

oh im sorry qwq

just gonna say they are doing it for attention

"my dad works ar micorsoft'

[rapid nest]

i did my job :3

[rapid nest]

he's probably like

[smoky cloak]

i hope its not $90 💀

(and idk why it would be, since other vinyls are more like $25-40 on their website)

[cobalt fiber]

The blurryface live vinyl was originally sold for $60 in 2016- adding in inflation i could see it being around $70-80

That’s assuming they keep up the same level of production value though, bf live was crazy detailed and had 3 picture disks

Itll probably be 3 records like bf live though either way picture or not considering the overall length which bumps up the price over a normal vinyl

Vessel anniversary edition was like $80 though and was only 2 disks and way less high production value than blurryface live so they could jump scare us with a $100 3 picture disk vinyl

[granite monolith]

It

It's the setlist in perfect quality?!

Oh it's fake imma go die then

[wild peak]

The Line:

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-light-turn-into-a-light-gif-15398439

[smoky cloak]

Ah that's all fair enough. I didn't consider it would be 3 disks

[grand summit]

I also don't think that too many vinyls have that detailed of an image on them usually.

[brittle depot]

yeah there's quality loss + added noise when they just put pictures in them

[dim sequoia]

uh lyrics is out

i have few more hours

[versed rose]

the lyrics have been out

[dim sequoia]

if u want it here
||https://genius.com/Twenty-one-pilots-arcane-and-league-of-legends-music-the-line-lyrics||

[dim sequoia]

WHAT where u find it-

😮

guys it was fake ahahah i didnit see

[shell shard]

when is the next tour vlog 🙏😭

[gentle rose]

Fr we’ve been waiting for over 2 goddamn months

[candid cliff]

oh, thats the song officially on youtube.

is it a leak if its officially up? (im in the US)

[sterile glen]

nah not a leak ur good

[candid cliff]

bet

6/10 its ight || /j||

[pure laurel]

The line is so

Eh

I over hyped myself after remember me

Its so boring to listen to and it feels like it has no "arcs"

4/10

[magic fjord]

L opinion

[lilac sandal]

Wym no arcs, the drums have a complete transformation towards the end

And then it drops into solo piano

That's an arc if I ever saw one

[pure laurel]

I'll give it another listen because I didn't notice that

It feels like a no phun intended song tho

With the vocals

[rapid nest]

tyler's best vocals ever tbh

[pure laurel]

I set my expectations in the wrong place ngl, I was really hoping for a clancy-esque song or like something like remember me

[pure laurel]

Yeah, just not what I was expecting

[sterile glen]

i guess if you were going in expecting heavydirtysoul and then you got bandito it might feel underwhelming but i think the song is beautiful and all around just a really good song

[soft ruin]

i would say it might grow on you, i remember when i first heard shy away (expecting jumpsuit/trench part 2) in 2021 i was like "oh, this is goood i guess" but now i love it

[rapid nest]

also probably will go so hard in whichever scene it plays in arcane

guys arcane made imagine dragons good like /hj

[sterile glen]

yeah they’re definitely always so unpredictable

[pure laurel]

That's mostly all their songs (to me)

[soft ruin]

very true 🙂‍↕️

[rapid nest]

oh also if you ever forget they never do a song with the same style/genre like twice

[pure laurel]

WHAT, THAT MEANS WE WONT HAVE ANOTHER GONER?

[rapid nest]

i mean not in the same style

[pure laurel]

[rapid nest]

twentyonepilots as a band has like 45 genres so far

[pure laurel]

Which one is taxi cab and Goner fr fr (don't answer I, lazy incarnate, can just search it up myself)

[rapid nest]

goner is probably umm

alternative rock, indie, alternative indie @pure laurel

goner

taxi cab is just emo i think?

[nova valley]

https://fixupx.com/iamclanky/status/1859794929402396877

[pure laurel]

Thanksies

[rapid nest]

probably just paul meany being paul meany

[lilac sandal]

They have a couple of piano patches they use most often

And Tyler has a certain style he tends to play

It may be intentional but def not enough to be certain imo

[smoky cloak]

Can someone with ears tell me how similar this is, it sounds identical to me but im.not a music person

[rapid nest]

and it sounds good

[lilac sandal]

The biggst similarity is the chords with a repeated higher note between

[smoky cloak]

Is it exactly the same two chords ?

[lilac sandal]

The chords themselves are pretty different, there's an additional note in the pattern on The Line

But considering the songs are in different keys, it is pretty similar, so it could be an intentional connection

I'd be curious to compare the tempos

[smoky cloak]

Wasn't the note in the beginning compared to PS ending also the wrong key? Could they be shifted the same way?

(Sry if that makes no sense)

(I am def not th3 person to try to figure that out if so)

[rapid nest]

no sheet for the line so i cant compare it in my piano

[rapid nest]

question tbh, why do u think tyler plays it in this style

[rapid nest]

oh wait if everything is correct so far then what if its like

paladin strait ---> the line ---> overcompensate ---> cycle

[smoky cloak]

Absolutely

I mean.. I'm totally convinced

Like with the line as song 14 then leading right into OC this piano similarity is very clear

I guess another interp is that the line directly proceeds OC... I just don't like that one 😭

[rapid nest]

paladin strait ---> the line ---> overcompensate ---> navigating ---> paladin strait ---> the line ---> overcompensate ---> u get it lol

[lilac sandal]

I can tempo detect it

[rapid nest]

can u try if ur free

[lilac sandal]

I didn't either but then I thought about it

Maybe the implication isn't that the line actually precedes Overcompensate

But what if instead it's that The Line completes the cycle

And whatever comes next breaks it

[lilac sandal]

Will in a couple of mins

[rapid nest]

lavish (sped up) ohhh interesting idea actually

[smoky cloak]

That makes so much sense to me and not just bc imo if the line is confirmed as the 14th song now there really HAS to be additional music

Otherwise it's incomplete bc clancy is still in a cycle

[rapid nest]

also literally winwin for fbr as well

more money for the album

[lilac sandal]

Fwiw I def don't think The Line is confirmed as the 14th song, but I think we'll know within the next couple of weeks

[smoky cloak]

But they will probably toy with us for a while and not actually confirm whether it's on Clancy or not

[lilac sandal]

Fair lol

They would

[untold granite]

I highly doubt it

[random notch]

It just came out for me

[untold granite]

Iomgg

[smoky cloak]

Pacific time zone 😭😭

[untold granite]

Ywah lmao

Finally lol

[random notch]

it's beautiful honestly. it's not what I expected at all but I really love Tyler's voice in it

[rapid nest]

i mean people would probably say "its just to boost streams" if they put the line to the clancy deluxe ( i mean thats what they said to imagine dragons adding enemy to their album)

[lilac sandal]

Just hit for a lot of the US, I'm hyped to see reactions

[lilac sandal]

Maybe casual fans would, but I also think if they add it as track 14 it's very unlikely to be the same version

We know the thing teased at the end of Paladin isn't this

So it's likely either a different song or an album version

[rapid nest]

Tyler said it isnt the end himself btw

[lilac sandal]

Ye, I know

[random notch]

I know just about nothing about arcane and my irl clikkie friends all watch arcane and are waiting til the episode to hear it so I have no one else to talk about it with 😭

[rapid nest]

theres more stuff

[smoky cloak]

take a seat - ||all of the references to chairs in the shirts, usage of a chair in ritn||, 'take the seat with the crease in it' (blackslide)

my final form - Clancy becoming corrupted, perhaps physically changing his appearance to become like a bishops

stay your pretty eyes on course - did he just call the torchbearer’s eyes pretty? ||‘making my way towards you’ is also sung by the Torchbearer/Josh in PS/Bandito mashup||, navigating, many directional refs in the lore

keep the memories of who i was before - memories ties into the idea of the tours being a flashback. possibly tie into the shirts if the images on the shirts really are also a flashback/Clancy’s memories?

so stay with me because - ‘i never left you’ (TB FPE letter); 'you keep coming around // it's tough to find good company’ (RITN); ‘making my way towards you’ (PS, ||PS/Bandito mashup sung by Josh/the Torchbearer||); ‘everybody leaves’ (Oldies Station)

honestly i thought i was fully prepared for the threshold in store - ‘when that day comes, no matter what, we will get you to the tower’; the ‘threshold’ is confronting Nico in the tower in PS

i guess i never really faced my fears before - facing his fears = coming face to face with Blurryface, who represents fear and insecurity. at the end of PS, we see Clancy and BF make eye contact for the first time.

my body's on the line now, pull the blanket tight now - the blanket is probably something used to conceal or hide, similar to how Heimerdinger uses his blanket/robe in Arcane, and how the woman in Redecorate covers up mirrors with blankets. Blankets represent (false) safety and security. Clancy could be using a blanket to hide his corrupted body, like how the bishops use robes. Or, the blanket could be hiding in bed due to depression.

please dont let them see me, sure there’s nothing left to try - Clancy is asking TB to hide him from the Banditos and citizens. He doesn’t want them to know how far he’s fallen and how Clancy has given up.

Reviving this, really had to finagle it to be under the word count 😭

[rapid nest]

anyways doesnt tyler hate visualisers why the line is a audio lol

[untold granite]

If they do a video it'll probably be on riot games channel

[soft ruin]

oh shoot did you guys see the mv premier thing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2Rj2gQAyPA

[untold granite]

No way

[weak orbit]

THE LINE RELATING TO VIKTOR IS MAKINF ME GO INSANE

[soft ruin]

peak twenty one pilots time

[untold granite]

So hypeeeed

[verbal rain]

what do you guys think of the song? idk how i feel about the vocal thing he did with it

[weak orbit]

i'm so fucking. im gonna cry

[lilac sandal]

Some if my fav TOP vocals ever

[weak orbit]

literally started shaking and hyperventilating when i saw it related to viktor i was so happy he's my favourite character

[nova valley]

i love it

[untold granite]

I like it a lot

[soft ruin]

i'm so happy i started arcane in prep for this, arcane is amazing, the line is beautiful, this is so wonderful

[robust bone]

those are purple eyes...

[verbal rain]

do you think it has its own meaning outside of the show? heathens kinda did so

[soft ruin]

purple era confirmed 🙂‍↕️

[robust bone]

purple era theory fans we might be back

[untold granite]

I hope so!

[gentle rose]

If purple is the opposite of yellow and the bishops eyes turn yellow when seizing does that mean tyler/clancy is the anti bishop

[robust bone]

what is an anti bishop lol

[random notch]

genuinely, I love the vocals. they are not his usual but they are like haunting. in a good way

[drowsy elbow]

AND A MUSIC VIDEO

[gentle rose]

The anti, to the bishops

[weak orbit]

i'm literally shaking i cannot wait for the music video

i can't wait to see it in the show

[olive forge]

Right !! Man it’s gonna be so good in the context of the show

[gentle rose]

Next show is Sydney I really hope they debut it live there

[granite monolith]

Oh god there's gonna be an MV and it's real tyler

[celest gyro]

wait confirmed???

[magic fjord]

#announcements

[gentle rose]

Yeah the waiting room is already up

[sterile glen]

i’ll throw this in here incase it’s considered a leak

[stiff fable]

YO

[tidal salmon]

is this an official store or am i gonna get scammed cause the description says this???
https://arcane-official.myshopify.com/products/twenty-one-pilots-the-line-7-vinyl

[sterile glen]

it’s the official store yeah

https://arcane-official.myshopify.com/

[tidal salmon]

weird, why are they linking a different store then...

[sterile glen]

probably because this is the site for soundtrack merch and maybe the other one is for clothes? idk

yeah that’s what it seems to be

[tidal salmon]

hmm, whatever, ordered

[plain cliff]

The cover is so bad

Why it look like this

[granite monolith]

20 for a 1 song vinyl... I mean I know they're expensive just... No?

£20 for 1 or £30 for 13... Gosh I sure can't decide.

[granite monolith]

Shit fr looks like an angry angry clown I'm ngl

[river nacelle]

the 30 one is much worth it

since 13 songs.. and 20 for a single song vinyl is a bit eh....

[granite monolith]

15 I could maybe justify it

But... No I absolutely won't be buying that that's taking the piss

[sterile glen]

it’s gone from the store now anyways

[untold granite]

Not sure if this is known but the line music video is directed by Andrew Donoho!

[gentle rose]

I think this was brought up yesterday but yeah it’s super exciting

[untold granite]

Can't wait!!

[lilac sandal]

Theorized yesterday but proper confirmation now

[mild anvil]

first

[muted axle]

second

[sonic cape]

last