Double Album Confirmed

[tame tendon]

Hopefully right after the FPE ends and we finish all these clues

[proven harbor]

I’m still hoping the 11/14 theory comes true

[dark ermine]

I would love to see something after the first leg of the tour, but I can’t see them releasing many new song and made them “exclusive” for the european leg

Especially because I can’t wait to see them again here in April (Italy), I just want to be realistic tho

But I think during this month break they’re just gonna promote The Line and maybe release a MV for it

[tame tendon]

Judging by where we’re at now, that theory could work as a release date for The Line as a single

[lean mango]

I think instead of a 15th letter they might put all the letters up on the wall with a new message in between line the Clancy Ultimus Capitulus 25 message

[olive plume]

for the 3rd scenario—i wonder then if drag path will be clancy’s final letter? if we ever do get that released

i’m leaning toward having all the letters displayed because i’m kinda ehhhhh about clancy being a part of all these letters but i’m open for anything

i’m also not sure about The Line being released with lore… i feel like they wouldn’t want to take away from arcane’s spotlight with this but again. i’m open for whatever

i think it’s going to have the heathens treatment where it’s like Maybe lore/similar themes but it won’t be lumped in with The Story

[tame tendon]

Ooo that would be so sick

[proven harbor]

Yes!! This is my main theory atm

[dark ermine]

That would be great. Even OC was teased with the letters sent to the fans, where a certain pattern revelead the release date of the song. I expect something similar.

[dark ermine]

I find it quite weird that so far only once Blurryface has become active on Twitter since the tour started. I guess we'll have anything else during the second leg?

[tough timber]

just gonna leave this here

this was said at the Q101 Lounge show apparently

[olive plume]

it’s good to know that this is another confirmation that paladin is definitely not the end

[tough timber]

i cannot wait to see the Q101 recording

[cloud lynx]

mhm

it's time

👀

seems to be leading to another "chapter"

[tame tendon]

We are so back we are so back

[cloud lynx]

fr

honestly the whole thing sounds like the end of a chapter and the bridge to the next one

[tame tendon]

I’m only saying because we haven’t gotten any irrefutable evidence in a while

[tame tendon]

It is so gonna start a new chapter, the last chapter

[cloud lynx]

it's time, Clancy (but smeared with BF paint)
smth is about to happen definitely

[tame tendon]

If Tyler is gonna end the lore he’s gonna do it amazingly

[cloud lynx]

guys notice how this correlates with the Blurryface posts before Paladin Strait, and the whole "trial"/"evidence" creepy BF aesthetic that is slowly taking over since the Digital Remains

and, like, the letters themselves are evidence, collected by the bishops

[tame tendon]

Yes. This is crazy

[cloud lynx]

we're slowly shifting into another era

it's nothing rly new, but we went another step again 👀

[modern atlas]

Omg something is happening tonight

I didn’t even think of that but it’s so true

We’re probably going to get something tonight

[tame tendon]

Maybe

Fingers crossed

[cloud lynx]

i'm excited

for whatever is to come

[tame tendon]

Same

[cloud lynx]

(i also apologize if i do any weird phrasing in english xd)
(not my first language and i am tired)

[tame tendon]

I didn’t notice anything but thanks to this comment I’m gonna try noticing

[dark ermine]

I think it’s time to delete the “probably not” of this thread lol

[rancid delta]

At this point it's far more likely than it isn't

[cloud lynx]

efjiezfhoizefz

yeah

[dark ermine]

exactly

[cedar cradle]

Se are so fucking back

[cloud lynx]

guys i'm wondering if The Line is the thing that was teased at the end of the PS MV

yk the weird sound at the end at the cliffhanger

cuz it could be the beginning of another song, a heavy electronic one kinda like HDS

and i'm pretty sure the Arcane song is gonna be quite heavy

i'm just making the link between those two things

but also obviously the official Arcane MV would not be lore related, so i'm doubting a lot
(although they could also release a non-Arcane version)

[tame tendon]

They’re definitely teasing some new song at the end of the Paladin MV but idk if it’s The Line. It could be though but it could also be in the double album hopefully

[cloud lynx]

it would flow so well

[tame tendon]

The whole lore in Clancy flows extremely well from Overcompensate to Navigating to Paladin

[cloud lynx]

Hello Clancy
directly transitions into a heavy song

[tame tendon]

And from Paladin to whatever is next

[dark ermine]

Nah, they aren’t gonna a tease a collab song imo

I’m very hyped for The Line, but people who think that it will be tied to the lore are just delusional imho

[dark ermine]

(And tbf I think it’s better this way), Heathens is a fine song but I never really liked the idea that it’s “part of the lore”

[cloud lynx]

I don't think this would be impossible for them

The song could even have two versions

It's still a Twenty One Pilots song, plus I believe Tyler began even before contacting/being contacted by them, cuz he got inspired by the show

If it was produced by the Arcane team, with their means, it would be different, but I believe Paul Meany produced it with Tyler?

I'm not 100% defending that, i'm just saying it's not impossible lol

[proven harbor]

I think it’s more representative than an actual integral part of the story, I’m not going to type out the whole thing again but this is my ideas https://discord.com/channels/269657133673349120/1273504541098250281

[modern atlas]

I think the music video will be

[dark ermine]

I don’t think it’s confirmed, we’ll see

[dark ermine]

I mean yeah, but that’s before of the creation of Dema, I think it was just a concept and they later used that as a way to tell the story, like some concepts of Vessel

[tame tendon]

Really? Heathens was about the clique but it was written for a movie

And also a lyric from Paladin is “tracing out a line” maybe The Line is in some way recapping Clancy’s journey back to Trench and setting up what’s next in the lore

[proven harbor]

Every one of their singles have been tied to the lore in their own way so I don’t see why the line wouldn’t

[tame tendon]

Every single? I’m not so sure about that

[proven harbor]

I mean the albumless singles

LOC heathens CSTY

[tame tendon]

Oh yeah now I got it

Wait how does Level of Concern or CSTY tie into the lore

[proven harbor]

Level of concern had the whole ARG which was a big thing, it was basically its own mini era, and CSTY had the “sai is propaganda” and “Clancy” in the thumbnail, and a TON of Easter eggs in the MV

They were both important to the story

[tame tendon]

Oh yeah those things

[proven harbor]

I’m really exited to see what the line has to offer

[wheat gorge]

i wouldn't be surprised if the LOC ARG was something meant for the Trench era (at least thought up for) but was repurposed when plans when asunder due to covid

[proven harbor]

Yeah I agree, I think they would’ve had a second tour during trench if it wasn’t for Covid, they had BF tour, emotional roadshow, and you can count tour de Columbus all for BF era, for sai they had takeover and icy

I feel like they could for Clancy as well

[wheat gorge]

agreed! there were even some posts pointing towards another beat in the era, and of course the festival shows they had announced which likely would have have been paired with a second tour across NA and Europe.

i would love for Tyler to talk about their plans for Trench before covid happened, and what the story looked like before they decided to create Scaled And Icy to adapt to the unforseeable future of live performance. I like to think there was definitely a second tour in mind, possible an earlier version of what became the LOC ARG which maybe would have told about how Clancy was imprisoned and we needed to save him. Maybe even another trilogy of music videos given that when Levitate dropped, Andrew said something about it being the first trilogy or first chapter in a tweet which he quickly deleted. Probably would have been Morph, Bandito, and Leave The City, which could have set up Clancy's imprisonment, escape, and the beginning of the revolution.

of course all of this never came to be, and maybe never was, i'm just speculating. But it does seem that the LOC ARG and aspects of the SAI Era of Clancy's story were transformed versions of some ideas already being put into place but had to be changed/pushed back.

[tame tendon]

I honestly really don’t like when people say that SAI was never meant to exist, cause I do remember Tyler saying in an interview, probably with Zane Lowe that he wanted to tell a story of isolation next even before COVID happened he was talking about how the times fit so well with what he wanted to do

Just a sec I’m gonna see if I can find it

[rancid delta]

Guys what if The Line isn't just for the show? They're also using Heavy Is The Crown by Linkin Park, and that's on their new album

I'm expecting it to be more like a heathens release, solo. But still, I wonder

[tame tendon]

So am I

[modern atlas]

I thought SAI was always supposed to exist, otherwise how would Levitate connect with Overcompensate? He would go from being captured to being free with no in between

[tame tendon]

I always like to think that this whole story has been planned since Tyler saw how the fans reacted to the lore for Trench

[teal compass]

we know that originally trench era had further plans that were canceled, and presumably if they didnt make sai they wouldnt have just jumped right into overcompensate- the follow up would have been a completely different album than what we got

[modern atlas]

how do you know they were cancelled

[teal compass]

because the tour was supposed to continue for a whole nother year and mark has previously called the first 3 music videos "season 1" of trench

[tame tendon]

Doubtful, cause Tyler said that whenever he makes an album it’s compensating for the last one and Clancy is not at all compensating for Trench, SAI is, none of Trench would have directly led to Overcompensate if SAI never happened

[teal compass]

again, they would not have made clancy the way it is if they did not make sai

if it was immediately following up trench it would have been more of a compensation for trench, but then they put another album between

[tame tendon]

I just hate it when people say SAI wasn’t supposed to exist because it was the perfect compensation for Trench

[modern atlas]

but some of clancy has been planned for a while right

I heard somebody talking about how the song Overcompensate was written years in advance

[teal compass]

the arg put us in the captivity that sai continued, if it was just one followup presumably they would have started the story of the follow up with going to voldsoy and not started it with returning to dema

[tame tendon]

I do know that Tyler had both SAI and Clancy planned at the same time, he said “there are 2 very different records I’m writing, one right now and one after that”

Or something like that

[teal compass]

the plot points of the dema storyline have been written in advance- overcompensate was written at the same time as the other clancy songs as we saw previous iterations of the lyrics in the digital remains in the same notebook as all the other songs

so tyler would have known they were returning to dema to take on the bishops he just wouldnt have ended up making the exact same song

[tame tendon]

Yeah but Clancy would have to leave Dema first, hence SAI

[teal compass]

again they wouldnt have started the album with returning to dema if they never left dema in the first place, if sai didnt happen they would have started with an escape and not the return- the plotline would have been paced entirely different without sai

[tame tendon]

Again

[tame tendon]

Hate it when people say SAI wasn’t supposed to happen

[teal compass]

sai being a compensation for trench is because its the album they ended up making after trench, if they did not make sai clancy would have been more of a compensation for trench

if the events unfolded entirely differently the albums would have been different 😭

[tame tendon]

But Clancy doesn’t compensate for Trench at all that’s my point. More lore doesn’t compensate for the Trench lore

[teal compass]

because sai ended up happening and clancy is compensating for that record instead, clancy would have been different if that record never happened😭

we know tyler originally said it was going to be a trilogy with one follow up during trench era its not just an assumption he told us this

the original plan was Blurryface-Trench-Conclusion but plans changed and thus the albums that were made also changed

[tame tendon]

When did he ever say that

[teal compass]

it was during trench era pretty soon after the album came out in an interview

id have to look for it

he was pretty open about the overall plan for the story but a lot of things have changed since then, much like clancy originally being inspired by the fans to fill a gap in the story and then suddenly becomign tyler himself

[tame tendon]

I have no idea what you’re talking about at that last part

[tame tendon]

Still confusing

[teal compass]

idk how to explain that better man its just what tyler said, he was asked if anything wouldnt have been canon without the fan input and he responded that clancy was added to the story because of fan input

but thats clearly no longer true as its his self insert now

[wheat gorge]

Clancy original represented The Clique in the story, but as the story evolved and went under significant changes, such as with the creation of Scaled And Icy, the transforming of the ending, etc., Tyler became the character Clancy, and used SAI as his means of re-establishing that Clancy and him are the same person

[tame tendon]

Clancy represented the clique? I’ve never heard that before but it makes so much sense now

[teal compass]

thank you for this summary youre better at wording things than i am lol

[wheat gorge]

aww thank you !!

[teal compass]

Another thing that seems to have changed is originally tyler was framing the "answer" to the problems posed in trench being found in whatever was beyond trench which tyler still didnt entirely know and understand himself- that plotline about a beyond seems to have been dropped and theyre focusing more on the idea of coming back and changing dema into a place worth living in instead of hoping to find a better place outside of trench

these changes are likely both in response to the real world conditions that impacted the releases but also tylers own personal growth and development as a person as he began to understand his problems better

[olive plume]

all of this ^^^ i also believe that the “new character we haven’t seen in a record yet” was clancy and how tyler was like “how do you know about clancy? clancy isn’t on the record” to that interviewer during trench era was more of an indicator that clancy himself wasn’t confident enough in who he was to be properly “on the record,” but now that he’s confident/overcompensating for his past isolation, he’s at the forefront (and why the album is named after him)

clancy’s existence was born out of us because tyler saw how we personified blurryface, the antagonist, and it made sense for the story to also have a personified protagonist instead of just this faceless entity. having a protagonist in this way makes it “easier” for an audience to root against the antagonist and gives us a face behind who we’re fighting for

[cloud lynx]

Didn't Tyler already want to talk about isolation even before the Covid lockdowns and stuff? (So there probably would've been a bridge album anyway)

[tame tendon]

EXACTLY THANK YOU! PROVING MY POINT HERE

[olive plume]

it would had similar themes but the execution would have been different. and we’re not 100% sure if he was going to make it into a propaganda album

[cloud lynx]

Obviously

For sure

[dark ermine]

I think that SAI was veeeery influenced by LoC, and LoC didn’t exists if there was no pandemic. So yeah, I think the Trench sequel was gonna be something more poppy but not so funk inspired like SAI (maybe something like Blurryface)

[teal compass]

He said very recently in a Clancy era interview that he was thinking about the topic of isolation before Covid happened, but its likely that topic wouldn’t have turned into its own released project and would have been incorporated in other ways like loc and the arg- or possibly to finish off the canceled parts of trench era that were supposed to go into 2020 which we know didn’t end up happening. We heard directly from Tyler’s comments around sai’s release that he wasn’t sure if sai was the path they were gonna take and didn’t know if they’d actually end up making and releasing it or just moving on to the original follow up and that was in a situation where they were given the perfect opportunity to add a bridge album because of the pandemic, if he was already very unsure about making the album when given that perfect chance it’s even less likely those ideas would have been followed through on and made into a complete project without those perfect conditions

[cedar cradle]

well guys

double album is real but like

not in the way we wanted

[tame tendon]

Nah they’ll still do the double album this is a live album

[cedar cradle]

https://tenor.com/view/skibidi-toilet-gif-14856175652313275129

[fallow violet]

so true this doesnt change anything

[tame tendon]

Exactly

[sly widget]

i genuinely think it doesn’t lol. i understand the hesitation but this story is far from over. we’re getting more, ON TOP of a live album 🤩

[royal sphinx]

they’re really giving us everything this tour fr

[dark ermine]

yeah, they are giving us new letters at every show and a cliffhanger at the end of PS just to release only a live album /s

[cedar cradle]

/s is so dumb bruh it could mean serious or sarcasm, two opposite things

Also I don’t need tone indicators I can detect sarcasm I’m not autistic or whatever

[teal compass]

/srs is serious /s is sarcastic theyre two different ones

[cedar cradle]

Stupid

/s should be /srs

/s could mean literally anything

/s for shut up tone indicators are weird

[teal compass]

if you dont need them you can just ignore them they help some people it doesnt really matter that much idk

if youre able to detect tone without tone indicators it should also be pretty clear what they mean from context clues unless you need tone indicators for the tone indicators

i think /s is mostly used in the same way as adding lol or haha at the end of messages now anyway its not really an effort to help people understand as much as it is making a message lighthearted

[dark ermine]

chill out man, it’s not that deep

[dark ermine]

YOO, have you seen this? https://x.com/keonseast/status/1842394980230312145?s=46&t=LDOcRBKDEKGPGgKymvt1QQ

KEONS (@KEONSEAST) on X

what if this isnt from trench era but from now

all the other photos of clancy have been from clancy era

what if this is after paladin and hes in his room again

Twitter · Oct 5, 2024, 2:42 AM

[teal compass]

That’s an interesting idea, not sure if Keons means he’s literally back there or it’s just a representation of Clancy being back in universe though

That room is in the middle of an active war zone so I highly doubt they’re actually going back and shooting there but I could see it being a representation of what Clancy is currently going through using old images

The building has also been hit by multiple Russian rocket strikes

Toronto also had an image on the shirt that the shirt solving group is currently thinking is from the levitate mv so saying they’re all from Clancy era isn’t entirely true either even though most have been

[dark ermine]

I agree, at the best it could be a set like PS MV

[wheat gorge]

Tyler's hair does look shaven, or at least shorter than it was in NATN, and he's sitting down either on the chair or bed. it's an angle I've not seen anyone else find the original for.

if this is from something new, maybe not necessarily after Paladin, (ie. Clancy is recaptured and sent back to his apartment (if Clancy was recaptured he'd be locked away again anyway)) but maybe the double album will touch upon some significant moments in the lore that were glossed over.

we could see, musically and visually, Clancy's imprisonment before SAI (this specific shot on his shirt could be a post-Levitate Clancy back in his room before The Bishops show up and detain him for his crimes of notoriety and bringing the Banditos to Dema) we could also see other events that we know happened, but never saw, such as the writing sessions, Clancy's first escape with the other defectors, the moments prior to Clancy and Nico's car trip, Clancy's first night back at Bandito Camp, etc.

[brazen leaf]

more songs guys

our theory is thriving

check out jl anderson

[dark ermine]

I don’t see anything new, what happened?

[brazen leaf]

nvm i thought it was new

i must’ve never saw it

idk

[cedar yacht]

Did u guys see the letter from tb

[brazen leaf]

songs called

graffiti and envelope

[dark ermine]

Yes, very interesting

we will see what is the final message in some days

[proven harbor]

Envelope is from RAB time

[dark ermine]

Nevermind, I think at this point it’s gonna be “We must destroy them or we will become them and if we become them we must do better” which is a bit dissappointing not gonna lie lmao

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Off topic

Why has the fan base become so toxic again

Shit was so chill when Trench came out

Like the entitlement out of some people is actually sickening LMAO

[meager fjord]

Ugh man I was just thinking about this- in all the pit videos I’ve seen people are just shoving and pushing to get to Tyler/josh and touching them without consent and just being gross- I get being excited about the band being close to you but they’re people too, there’s a line around what’s appropriate

[royal sphinx]

idk but it’s sad:(( it seems like a lot of what is happening online is with twitter tho - my life has been so peaceful once I stopped being so engaged on there lol

and fr, it’s like people have no idea how to behave around them - like we have learned since we were children to keep our hands to ourselves haha. like there’s no need to grab Josh’s peck or hold on to Tyler’s clothes😭

[boreal portal]

double album announcement today on y’all lives

[meager fjord]

I used to consider tøp pits to be some of the safest concerts to enjoy being in the pit for, but now I’m actively glad I missed pit tickets for this tour… it’s sad that’s where I am but it’s true

[olive plume]

it’s really all the twitter people with thousands of followers. they think they’re like some influencers for the community and feel entitled to certain experiences due to that status

[olive plume]

i have only ever been in the pit for this band and last night had me seriously consider going for seats next go around. it was genuinely embarrassing and i would hope all the fans who acted like that feel guilty

[meager fjord]

Oh totally- in a weird way, it’s not like the band has grown more than in the past (I believe BF growth was more explosive than rn? I could be wrong on that idk the exact numbers), but instead it’s been more in online communities instead of personal connections/experiences with the music, like how it used to be- it’s almost become a trend?

[meager fjord]

Yeah, definitely- overall it’s very sad, both because the band is now unsafe, and because it makes it much more difficult for everyone else to enjoy

[royal sphinx]

yeah I agree. And i kind of feel like people care more about interactions w/ Tyler and Josh and their wives vs caring about the show and the music. these shows are so about much more than interactions

[olive plume]

the sheer amount of people who got out of the show last night and immediately tweeted shit like “i got two tyler interactions!” like i thought we were here for the music

[meager fjord]

Definitely- there’s a big shift from being fans for the music towards being fans of the band, if that makes sense- it’s more so a fanbase around the boys than what they put out, which I’ve heard Tyler talk about before (especially with people saying he saved them- he’s made comments like “thank you but I didn’t save you, the music did”)

I think that’s why I got bothered a bit when I literally couldn’t see anyone not recording at my show -don’t get me wrong, recording shows isn’t bad, but when that’s the only thing you’re doing I get a little weirded out- it was clearly more about posting concert videos after than just enjoying being there- and again, nothing wrong with posting videos, it’s just a priority thing for me

[dusty kiln]

i usually record bc my memory is shit 💀💀 my concert vids never see the light of day

idk man people in this fanbase can be.. something else

[olive plume]

my phone’s battery was draining fast since i was taking like 8-minute long videos of b-stage and ||hometown and slowtown|| but when it came to the later half of the show, i wanted to preserve the battery for trees, and i feel like it made my concert experience so much better. was crying from ||bandito/paladin to the end||

[meager fjord]

Oh yeah I mean that’s totally fair y’know- like I said the act of recording isn’t the issue, it’s more so the fact that people would rather record just to post them than to enjoy the show over again in the future

[dusty kiln]

yeah no thats stupid tbh

[meager fjord]

Yeahhhh totally- I made a pact with myself going into my show that I wouldn’t record anything, bc last tour I recorded basically everything and really regretted it, and I think that was the best choice I could’ve made bc I got to be in the moment and appreciate what they were doing rather than worrying about the video quality like I would’ve been

[dusty kiln]

at my last show i barely recorded

i think i did the most recording in philly/orlando

[tame tendon]

I think now it’s official, I picked the exact right era to get into TOP during

[royal sphinx]

This!! I did the same thing - i saw them in PHX and i only recorded 30 seconds of addict with a pen & Forrest. Other than that I just lived in the moment and it was the best concert experience I’ve had

[dark ermine]

I don’t think so, it’s not even the last show of this leg

[tame tendon]

I don’t think so either but I do think something big could happen at the show tonight

[dark ermine]

At the best a new Blurryface tweet, I hope

[modern atlas]

I hate this gross romanticization of both the band members, and i think that’s a huge contributing factor

[dark ermine]

aaaand nothing, probably something new with the end of the letters?

[tame tendon]

You saw yesterday’s letter right

That’s something new and awesome

[dark ermine]

yeah, I was talking about news during the show

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So I started listening to them right around vessel first dropped. The fan base was extremely chill yet dedicated. Then BF came out and they grew a bit more. It wasn’t til a bit later that stressed out really started getting traction. Then ride. Then they exploded. BF tour came to an end and ERS was up and running.

If I remember right stressed out really started to go crazy on the charts early 2016 towards the end of the BF tour. During this time I saw some insane behavior from the “fan base” it’s hard to call them fans because the second they went on hiatus they all became BTS fans.

[olive plume]

oh i noticed that too

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And also the shit they were saying to Debby and Jenna lmfao

Insane behavior

[olive plume]

and they were the ones hating on SAI too, i noticed

[compact arrow]

Nothing against those who are fans of BTS in here but damn y’all got some insane fans.

[compact arrow]

Yeah of course

Because they peaked in middle school and haven’t grown up.

Don’t get me I’m wrong I’m extremely happy Tyler and Josh are successful but man I was not enjoying the fan base during that time.

[olive plume]

it would make sense, with the behavior and everything. based on my interactions with k-pop fans on twitter, they are very… extreme. so anybody who jumped ship into that fandom and then returned to another fandom would pick up some mannerisms and then use those in this new fandom and then that’ll spread out

[compact arrow]

Everyone was like “stay alive” and then saying the complete opposite to Jenna and Debby. Debby got absolutely NUKED when here and Josh split for professional reasons.

[compact arrow]

And I feel like some have come back. Which is fine but damn some of them are actually mentally ill

Like let’s get a grip brother.

[olive plume]

i remember when debby shared that 9/11 memorial artwork on her instagram story and fans were ripping her to shreds for being tone deaf and classless but i saw fans a few days ago actually wearing a shirt with that exact artwork on it as a “joke” like what’s going on here

the cognitive dissonance.

i’ve also been a fan since 2013/vessel and it’s been so wild to see the shift in fan behavior

[compact arrow]

Yeah I’m also grown so I rarely interact with the fan base.

[olive plume]

like i think i felt “safest” in this fandom maybe from 2013-2017 but after that… i don’t know what happened

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Plus I was in the pit for Clancy tour and it was not very nice. Yet bandito was great.

I don’t know man.

One fan was shoving her way to the front cussing people out saying she spent more on the tickets than the rest of us and that she deserved it the most.

But I got up at 3AM and drove an hour myself, my fiancée and my siblings to get in line.

Like no fuck you dude.

[olive plume]

i was in the pit on saturday (disaster) and i finally got around to rewatching my concert vids and the fans who have been going to nearly every show this tour were talking throughout my b-stage video. like out of all the songs you could yapping through, it had to be through addict with a pen???

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Also no offense to that one British girl but like.

Why isn’t she getting called out for going to the Columbus shows.

Yet Americans were getting shit for the Canada shows and the NWTOP in the UK

[olive plume]

sure whatever you’ve seen this show before and have heard this song but this show might have been someone’s first show and only show of the tour and i’d think fans who are constantly lauded as being the “nicest people in the fanbase” (according to twitter) would have a sense of respect to those around them and the band itself

because she’s also one of the “nice” fans apparently

[compact arrow]

I’m just gonna say it bro.

[olive plume]

say it

[compact arrow]

I don’t care if wyou repost shit on tiktok and say what everybody thinks.

Just cause you’re “nice”‘doesn’t give you a pass lmaoooo

Personally I don’t give a shit. If you pay for the ticket you deserve it.

But I just love how American fans get so much shit haha

I bet she is a lovely person is this isn’t anything personal towards her. Just absolutely hate double standards.

[olive plume]

there’s definitely a sense of elitism, especially regarding certain fans. they can say there’s no such thing as “big clikkies” but when someone was trying to start a line for cbus n3, they got ripped to shreds and disbanded the line; but as soon as someone with more followers started the line themselves, everybody was applauding them

like oh you only care because it’s now your friend doing it

but the camping and line shit is a different story

[tough timber]

this has been bothering me (elitism, big clikkies, whatever you wanna call it) like there's so many people that seem to think there's some hierarchy that doesn't actually exist

[olive plume]

and then whenever you point out this very obvious thing, they say actually it’s You that’s the problem because why are you viewing these people as being “better” than you

like because they constantly act like they’re better than everybody due to their follower counts… and if they ever do anything wrong, all those followers will attack you into thinking they’ve never done anything wrong in their life. that’s why so many people are scared of them

but i think tyler, josh, and the crew have started to notice this and that’s why they’re trying to do away with camping and fan lines but it’s unfortunately a… mess right now. but i’m sure once it all gets straightened out, it’ll be okay

[dusty kiln]

thank god they have

[olive plume]

basically confirmation for me

[tame tendon]

Same

[graceful hill]

torchbearer second album??? 👀👀

[tame tendon]

I swear this will be the album cover for a TB album

[tough timber]

fooled you once it's been 25 times

clancy ultimus capitulus 25? 👀

[tame tendon]

Always

[rancid delta]

These madlads

They know we know

[wraith gulch]

Bruh.

[sudden hawk]

stand strong, truthers.

[modern atlas]

interestingly enough 5/2/25 is a friday.

[tame tendon]

That is interesting, but October 25 of this year is a Friday

[digital shadow]

really?

[modern atlas]

Yes

[digital shadow]

it doesn’t look like that on my calendar lol

[modern atlas]

Oh that’s really interesting but I doubt we’ll get a second album before The Line

since for the first album they advertised 3 months in advance

[modern atlas]

wait

No it’s a friday

[digital shadow]

oh wait are you european

[modern atlas]

Make sure you’re looking at next years calendar

May 2 2025

[digital shadow]

i was looking at february 5, 2025🤦‍♂️

[modern atlas]

Lmao my bad

[tame tendon]

But who says The Line is a lore song, Tyler said it’s about family, we could get the double album before The Line

[modern atlas]

yes but marketing

they wouldn’t be able to hype it up at all even if they announced it tomorrow

[tame tendon]

Not everything is about marketing, it’s about how they tell the story

[modern atlas]

Ehhh idk

I don’t think FBR would want them to release a album solely for lore and it would be a huge waste of money if they just put it out there for “the few the proud the emotional”

It’s definitely a possibility though

Maybe 10/25 is the announcement date? That seems more feasible 🤨

[tame tendon]

Better idea, they announce it literally right after the US leg ends, which makes sense cause when we get the last letter we’ll know what the message is, so then Tyler will reveal what they mean (double album) and announce it for a release date of the 25th

[modern atlas]

Could happen, I’ll hope it does

[dark ermine]

Agree, I still think we’ll see the new album in 2025

[livid pine]

wait is there a specific reason we think something is happening oct 25th

[wheat gorge]

we think something is happening october 25th??

[light chasm]

Cause 25

Idk

[livid pine]

some of the messages above are talking about it

[light chasm]

Copium

[livid pine]

ahh okay. nothing has really come of the 25 yet. something has to happen bc we’re going crazy😭

[light chasm]

I really think a 2nd album in 2025 after the Clancy WT is over would be the most likely😭

So may 2025?

[livid pine]

i’m still a 6/25 believer i’m thinking june

[light chasm]

And not a 2nd album
A deluxe

June would make sense too

[livid pine]

i hope it’s not a deluxe🥲 they’ve been working on stuff since trench that we haven’t seen and SAI and clancy were both made in a year. i need a drawn out ending 🙏

[tame tendon]

Mainly cause it’s a Friday and it’s after the letters end

[rancid delta]

I swear to god if TOP does something on my birthday I will scream

[dark ermine]

I could be a bit disappointed if this is what we get, I hope it’s something else

[sly hazel]

I think that is gonna be it and it makes perfect sense in terms of lore and Tyler's personal experience

[modern atlas]

break period, friday

[lean mango]

I think that makes sense as a phrase, but what would it even mean?

If they're referring to the glorious gone, how can they change anything to do better at that point?

If they're referring to the bishops, first of all, how does that work, because that implies there being like 100s of bishops

and second of all, are bishops even acting out of their own free will?

[livid pine]

i think it’s talking about the bishops. i don’t think it necessarily means there are hundreds, just that they are the leaders. if the banditos/rebels end up being leaders they must do better than the bishops did

[lean mango]

But them becoming the leaders isn't a bad thing unless they're also becoming bishops

[tame tendon]

That’s true, I think once Nico is defeated Dema will be under new leadership, Clancy and the Banditos

[dark ermine]

agree about this

Idk, it’s just that I feel we are not going to have any news about the double album at least for a little more time, probably from 2025

[tame tendon]

Doubtful, it’s always been like when the clues are over that’s when they announce something, and the clues as far as we know end on Saturday so we’re either getting more clues or the double album

[lean mango]

I think it'll be neither, but I do think the clues will lead to something substantial

maybe a confirmed violation code that will start us on an ARG that can last the rest of the tour

I still love the idea that if there's a second album, they might release a few of the songs via dmaorg spaced out a few months apart

so we're uncovering them on tour

in fact, that could partly explain all the additional songs they have timecoded, maybe they're ready to swap in based on when we find them

that'd be a really cool way to involve the fans in the final thing

[tame tendon]

I honestly wouldn’t enjoy that, it takes way too long

[lean mango]

it takes less time than waiting for May-June for any new music after The Line

[dark ermine]

agree

[tame tendon]

Idk if I’m slow but I have no idea what you’re saying could you explain clearer

[dark ermine]

I think more clues and new things to discover is very likely, but 100% no new music (except The Line) before the end of the tour

[tame tendon]

Why the hell not

[dark ermine]

It wouldn’t make sense to release new music from a new album/deluxe in the middle of a new tour: I don’t see them promoting the second part of Clancy before the current tour ends lore wise and because, let’s be real, they don’t want to preclude new songs only for the european leg

[tame tendon]

Oh come on they can easily come back to the US for another rebranded leg

They always do more than one US leg

[dark ermine]

I’m not saying they wouldn’t come back, but I expect something more a second tour like during every era (except Trench)

Current tour ends -> Second part of the album -> Second tour

[tame tendon]

That actually sounds more likely but idk why they would wait so long after the clues end

They’re not bringing the FPE anywhere else

[lean mango]

I don't think it's out of the question that they'd release a second half before the current announced tour ends

[tame tendon]

And even if they do more FPE I doubt they’ll show more new lore, not to mention it must be crazy expensive to transport everything around the world

[dark ermine]

I know, in fact I think they are gonna continue with dma.org and maaaaybe before the second album they are gonna send physical letters again

[lean mango]

music premieres are always inherently exclusive to some places, often the US, and they've been clearly trying to branch out and prevent stuff from only coming to the US first, such as the UK signings. (for example, if they don't do second oceanea or latin america legs, those places just won't get to hear the new music on this tour)

The bigger thing for me that makes me almost certain we won't get a full second album drop for awhile is The Line, if they're trying to push it as a big thing I don't think they'll want anything else distracting from that drop

but releasing a few new songs over the course of the tour would be a great compromise IMO

not that I have any kind of certainty that they'd do that

but it'd be cool

[dark ermine]

Yeah also that, at the best we will have the first single of the second album in the beginning of 2025

First letter without double letters btw

[lean mango]

second I think, there was one among the early letters, like 7-8 or something, that didn't have any if I remember correctly

[dark ermine]

Could be, I don’t remember exactly

[quaint steppe]

Just saying gang, we’re only missing the “Be” of Better and there’s two shows to go. Could be the last show’s FPE reveals something in addition to the letters?

Then again the most recent letter excerpt had no letters of the clue at all so we shall see I suppose

Last show of this run I mean

[lean mango]

I'm still not 100% convinced it's "do better," that would mean the middle piece of 27-28 will also have no letters or 29 will have none

Or they have 1 each

[tame tendon]

I think one each would be the most likely scenario

Or if the message is “do it better” 027.5 will have IT and 029 would have BE

But who knows, we just gotta wait

[cedar yacht]

Double album confirmation today

[raven lagoon]

Welcome back to Trench (again)

[tame tendon]

This time it’s welcome back to Dema

[dark ermine]

Biggest copium I’ve ever seen in my life

As much as I would be overjoyed at the idea that we would have an announcement tonight...no, not yet for a few months yet for me.

[tame tendon]

A few months is too long unless they’re giving more clues outside the shows

[dark ermine]

I don’t think it’s too long, I still believe we will see the second album in 2025

[tame tendon]

I doubt it, unless they give more clues after today

[lean mango]

I don't think it's all that realistic that they finish the FPE message and nothing happens/it means nothing to us for months longer

So I think there will be something

But I don't think it will be an album announcement

[fallow violet]

yeah i mean the message and the letters must be For something

[olive plume]

i keep jumping from Something Will Happen Tonight and Nothing Will Happen Tonight

it’s still so ???? that we didn’t get any other dmaorg restricted content or blurryface activity

just when we thought we figured out their patterns…

it is reassuring to know new music is definitely confirmed at this point (the line) though

[lean mango]

I'm actually going to be kinda disappointed if we get the last letter and completed message and then nothing happens, it's not acknowledged at all, and it's back to silence for the next month

But knowing how it has gone this era, it's possible I think

[olive plume]

it would be nice to get another I Am Clancy-like video explaining the letters. they made that video to explain the LOC ARG so i can see them doing Something with the FPE letters, since they are evidence for something else happening here

[fallow violet]

yeah it's very possible that's why i don't get upset about this stuff, it feels like everything that happened this era was a surprise and everytime i felt something would happen absolutely nothing happened so i feel like that's my own fault lol

[olive plume]

especially if they want to continue acting like this era is the most straight-forward with the lore

[fallow violet]

the only thing i could see is like a little trailer for the aftermath of paladin/preparation of the dema citizens uprising from the inside but i dont see that happening right now

[tough timber]

you know i guess it's possible we could get further communication from clancy via dmaorg

[fallow violet]

yeah thats what im betting on the most

[olive plume]

clancy just posts “i am trapped”

“again”

[tough timber]

like we should be getting the rest of tb's letter today
we could get a response maybe

[fallow violet]

like. i thought that clancy didnt know about the dema citizens uprising from the inside but based on torchbearers letter he clearly knows and him getting into that tower and possibly getting trapped on purpose was all part of the plan

[olive plume]

i am on the fence on whether a clancy response is warranted but i wouldn’t be unwelcoming of it

[lean mango]

Tbf, I think they set tons of things up and haven't followed through on any of them yet this era

[olive plume]

yeah, i was wondering if clancy going up there “by himself” was part of it and he expects everybody to come in after him to take down nico—but that makes me think something else is bound to happen. would that be too easy? maybe it’s what we need right now though

[lean mango]

It's getting to the point where I have trouble believing that it's not intentional

[olive plume]

all the references to delays and not showing up on time/when you’re supposed to makes it seem like something happened and the banditos and red-tape citizens might not be able to get to clancy in time and he really gets captured again

that could lead into the trial theory i know a lot of us are into

[tough timber]

yeah idk what to expect honestly but they're making me nervous

[wraith gulch]

Heck yeah

Trial theoryyy

Part of me is expecting literally nothing to happen today, just because we all expect something.

I wouldn’t even be surprised if they don’t finish the TB letter 🙄. I don’t think that’s probable but at this point it wouldn’t surprise me. They can be such trolls lol.

[olive plume]

it’s just a middle piece to a new letter we haven’t gotten yet

[lean mango]

I don't think it makes much sense to not finish the TB letter today, because we have enough to be pretty certain of the final message anyway

[wraith gulch]

I agree it wouldn’t make sense

Which is precisely why I fear there’s a tiny chance that’s exactly what would happen

[tough timber]

unless they have plans for further letters (which i guess is still possible) tb letter is what makes the most sense but then as lindsey says knowing them they might want to mess with us some more by doing something out of left field

[wraith gulch]

Watch it just be a set of black handprints on the tent and a torn corner piece of paper

[olive plume]

i can only see them doing that if they have confirmation that they’re able to bring FPE overseas and they just haven’t announced it yet. because i think many of us believed this would “end” at the end of these current shows because they weren’t able to bring the FPE anywhere else

[lean mango]

even if it's ending at later shows, I think this message is done so it still makes the most sense for them to be separate

[tough timber]

maybe they'll announce or hint to something about the line or drag path

I think some people theorized they could be the same song (which i don't know if that idea makes sense to me) but i still think it's so odd that drag path was included in DR in the first place (and silver weighted sun to a lesser extent)
afaik tyler has never shared scrapped lyrics like that before and the blue filter they put on that page is sus too

[tough timber]

my google suggested articles just jumpscared me
i missed the word "live" in the headline at first glance 🤪

[olive plume]

if we never end up getting clancy pt 2, we still kinda won because this counts as another clancy album either way

[tough timber]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn-nine-nine-loophole-peralta-boyle-loophole-high-five-gif-11942081

[dark ermine]

Again, which was the date used in the password for the PS MV teaser?

11 something?

[tough timber]

the code was 8325

[raven lagoon]

BLURRY

[dark ermine]

WE’RE SO BACK

[dark ermine]

oh ok

“story is over” copium pt. 2638

[rancid delta]

Blurry posted at 2:50... another 25 reference...

[sly hazel]

Crossposting here after BF tweet
Okay now for the brainrot theory
CLANCY PART 2
It actually is the Torchbearer album and it literally details the fight of a support system (TB and the Banditos) on a mission to save someone from themselves, pulling Clancy out of the corruption
Telling the other side of the story

[livid pine]

would be super cool and i want it to happen, i just don’t think they’d end the lore like that😔 but if that’s the way they go then im sure it’ll be perfect

[sly hazel]

I think they could easily do a mini redemption arc where Clancy realizes the errors of his ways of diving straight in without caring and that he needs to consider the people around him more because he puts them in danger by being reckless

[tough timber]

wait this is kinda goes into a few different theories/ideas i like or have been thinking about

clancy being corrupted bc he's been seizing vessels (that smirk at the end of oc is wilddd like he doesn't seem like he feels bad or weird about it at all)

clancy being seized by nico following paladin strait

drag path lyrics - clancy saying he's an inconvenience but still saying he's confident that he'll be found (by torchy?)

torchbearer pov in the next album - rescuing clancy and taking dema down together with the red and yellow tape banditos help

[rancid delta]

Glad people are coming around on this second album being torchbearer themed rather than it being just a deluxe of Clancy

[livid pine]

agreed. i feel like it just being a deluxe would undermine it being the “final chapter”

[sly hazel]

I kinda like the idea of it being called "Clancy: The Final Chapter" but it being like a whole B side with an alternate cover with Josh in the front and it being mostly yellow instead of Red

I also like the idea of Clancy becoming corrupted as he's seizing more
We learnt from the letters that the bishops powers corrupt them more as they use them
And there's also a couple lines in the DR scrapped lyrics that are all about putting people in danger, I think from Silver Weighted Sun which became OC

I think originally we take OC as a song about finally stepping up, but it could definitely be taken as Clancy going too far too quick and that backfiring into what we possibly see with him becoming more corrupt

I also think it would be a really cool perspective musically and IRL to get the perspective of someone or a support system helping someone with their troubles
We get a lot of songs and specifically Clancy about dealing with your issues and learning to battle through them and coming to terms with a lot of things but we never really hear about the other side of that, how it can be a struggle to help someone that doesn't want help or know how to help themselves

[olive plume]

more josh vocals on these songs

[rancid delta]

I never heard Josh's vocals on paladin until recently

Despite my 10K+ listens on spotify

[wraith gulch]

Because Spotify 💀

[rancid delta]

I hope they're louder in the next album. SHOULD be if it's TB themed

[sly hazel]

More Jocals
Maybe more drum forward, little bit more experimental and possibly a little more rap and screamy forward
Could be a fun play on that BF sound

[livid pine]

i just need another song that goes as hard as levitate and my life will be complete

[sly hazel]

This is the specific bit I mentioned from Silver Weighted Sun btw

"And by the time I catch in my peripheral I hope I'm alone"

It's like he knows he's running head first into danger and doesn't want to hurt anyone in the process, he hopes that he's not dragging anyone else in with him
And that could fit very nicely into the corruption side of things

[olive plume]

Dear Clancy coming out june 2025

[lean mango]

btw

October 25th is exactly 2 weeks from yesterday and is a Friday

probably mentioned already

[sly hazel]

Okay I had to make this for the fun

[modern atlas]

EP

Torchbearer EP

[rancid delta]

I don't see it being an ep tbh

To be an EP it has to be shorter than 25 minutes

And I can't see it being that short

[modern atlas]

you really think they have a full album up their sleeves?

[shadow cipher]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 7!

[rancid delta]

I do

[modern atlas]

Hmm

[rancid delta]

SAI was short

Could easily be another 10-12 track album on the smaller side

Clancy was in progress in some form before SAI was even a thing, like 2019 ish

[sly hazel]

My personal opinion is that if we get more music at all, it will be a full length album, even if on the shorter side
I think it'd be really really weird to build everything up like this and then only drop like 2 songs

[rancid delta]

I doubt 13 songs is all they would've made

[raven lagoon]

100% ending the storyline with a full length album

[sly hazel]

I think they very well might follow the recent trend of "deluxe" but it's really just a complete B side to the album

[rancid delta]

That would make all current physical copies of clancy only half of the thing, why would they do that

So many variants just to do that? I don't buy it

[sly hazel]

I mean that's a pretty standard thing to do across the music industry, especially with it releasing over a year after

[olive plume]

people are going to buy a deluxe edition anyway, no matter if they already have the standard album

[sly hazel]

^

[rancid delta]

I just don't see it happening that way

Would be a ripoff

Do you not see just how many vinyl variants were printed for Clancy? I would think if they knew they were gonna release a bonus half a year later they would've limited themselves more

[sly hazel]

I personalyl don't see them releasing a separate album that isn't under the Clancy moniker because everything claims this is the final album of the story, so it has to be a form of Clancy

[rancid delta]

2 albums can be from the same era and not be the same

We expect this to come out after the tour in May? Call the second leg the Torchbearer Tour

Same general era

[sly hazel]

Difference between saying this is the final era and calling Clancy the final album though
Clancy as an album being the final one must stay true, and the only way that happens is if they release another form of Clancy

[rancid delta]

Clancy clearly ended off on a cliffhanger. Trench, BF and SAI didn't

I would call those fully separate eras

Not in this case

[sly hazel]

Yeah but again they said the album was the final one, not the era
So the album itself has to be the final part

[rancid delta]

Maybe they just lied

[sly hazel]

Only way that happens is if they release something like "Clancy: The Final Chapter" as a two part album, which is becoming incredibly common nowadays

[olive plume]

inferno tour 2025

[sly hazel]

I think it could be very possible that it's called the inferno tour if they do burn dema down like they hinted in DR

[olive plume]

and it would be a contrast of the icy tour

[lean mango]

To be honest I expect Ultimus Capitulus to be confirmed/announced within the next month

given the stuff from today

the new letter says they're ready and really feels like it's leading up to a major announcement

[rancid delta]

I wonder if the line really is ONLY for arcane or not. Part of me thinks it could also be the first single...

Linkin Park's "Heavy Is The Crown" also is a part of it, but it's on their new album, not just a standalone

Because Blurryface 10 is happening in May, it's entirely possible if there is a second album, it might need to happen before of after that

Blurryface 10 is gonna be huge. Not sure if they would want to market a new album while they are also marketing that

[sly hazel]

The Line could be Clancy looking back on him crossing the line in terms of going too far
if it was to become a single for the second part atleast

[rancid delta]

It would take attention away

[quaint siren]

I had a dream about a second album with basically the same cover as Clancy but black and white with dema in the background a few months ago and I'm fully on board with this theory because of that

[sly hazel]

It's also possible they could just release the second part for BF 10th anniversary
It's gonna have so much hype behind it and would be cool to end it 10 years after it began

[rancid delta]

April 25th is a Friday

[sly hazel]

I did this edit a while ago, not black and white but dema goes hard on the cover

[rancid delta]

Then a couple weeks later drop Blurryface 10

Would be a month ish in between releases. Close, but not right on top of each other. Could work.

[quaint siren]

dude I swear it was similar to this, but the background was black and white and tyler and josh were in color

[stray kettle]

A lot of speculation that Clancy is going to become a bishop…(temporarily I’m sure to destroy it all)

Could you imagine the era aesthetic associated with that part II album? 🤯

[modern atlas]

That would be cool, but I think the theory is that Nico would turn Clancy into a bishop

[stray kettle]

That’s how it would go, I’m sure— but I think Clancy would just be playing along to gain the advantage

There’s something poetic though if he does become a bishop, in regards to the secret sentence in the letter.

WE MUST DESTROY THEM OR WE WILL BECOME THEM AND IF WE BECOME THEM WE MUST DO BETTER.

Time to do better?

[tame tendon]

So is October 25

[rancid delta]

I swear to god if they drop anything on my birthday I will go feral

[wraith gulch]

It could also not be a date at all and just a total new track count of 25. 13+1+11 (1 being The Line)

[dark ermine]

For me including The Line is a stretch, it’s not even on the album

[wraith gulch]

We don’t know that

[dark ermine]

Some months ago people included in this theory The Craving (Single Version), i just think 25 it’s gonna have another meaning, not something related to the number of the tracks

[wraith gulch]

The new LP song for Arcane is on their new album

[dark ermine]

Fair enough, could be then

[cedar cradle]

so is double album happening now?

[livid pine]

i mean it’s been in speculation since before clancy released but now everything is really pointing to a real end to the lore coming out later on. hopefully!

[cedar cradle]

how later on

like today?

[rancid delta]

I'd say before the end of next summer

Not too far away

My bets are for spring

[livid pine]

a lot of clues around album release pointed to 6.25 so i’m still on the june 2025 theory

[rancid delta]

Maybe even sooner if The Line is actually on the album

But that's a big if

[livid pine]

^^ i’m hoping earlier. or at least an announcement soon

[cedar cradle]

so before or after the live album then?

[livid pine]

i’d say after

just because it hasn’t been announced yet

[teal compass]

we really have no idea but i think the live album might take longer, their previous live albums Blurryface live and MTV unplugged took a year and a month and just under a year respectively so at that rate the live album would only come out in fall of 2025

[cedar cradle]

ggs

[modern atlas]

this HAS to be a coincidence right

[burnt scarab]

what does it say

[cedar cradle]

two albums

[burnt scarab]

we love to see it

Clancy part two

lowkey it’s gonna be so cool

dark sounding music

mmmm

[wary lava]

Reading the message archive and remembering stuff about tour plans going into 2026 and I have renewed belief that we‘ll get some crazy lore stuff and then a new album or ep

[burnt scarab]

as long as j get music

I

[tame tendon]

WHOA WHOA WHOA is this real

[livid pine]

unfortunately i think theyre joking😔

i don’t think this is the right tweet actually but there’s another tweet and it’s taken from that

[tawdry solstice]

Any concrete developments in the theory ?

[brazen leaf]

i had faith in this theory since the beginning y'all

WE ARE ALIVE AND BREATHING

[brazen leaf]

the theory has always been alive but in terms of developments just everything that's been happening... new lore, so much to wrap up. etc

[toxic kettle]

Double album theory <3

[tame tendon]

How long will it take for TOP to announce something new

The letters are all done

[tame tendon]

Well Blurryface tweeted at 2:50, another 25

At least that was for Eastern time

I feel like a lot of the time things are based off of Eastern time

[cedar cradle]

The numbers mason, what do they mean

[tame tendon]

What the hell does mason mean

[sleek pendant]

it’s a call of duty black ops reference

[cedar yacht]

Does this really paint to new album or just pointing to an alternate version of ps

[toxic kettle]

Unknown tbh
From what I think new songs

[sleek pendant]

seeing as the line exists, they have had time to create music other than clancy, which i could only hope means a double album like how imagine dragons did it

[fathom chasm]

How did you send a tweet from the future?

[tall lodge]

Guys we are on so much copium wth

[tall lodge]

Time zones

[fathom chasm]

Oh of course, thank you that makes more sense haha

[tall lodge]

No worries 😂

[lucid parrot]

Yall what again is the proposed drop date I can’t remember and I have a theory

[tame tendon]

Not sure, what’s your theory

[lucid parrot]

Well it depends on whether we’re talking about March 25 or May 25 and I can’t remember

[pine nimbus]

TØP has said in the past that they don't do ep

[wary lava]

im just hoping for something

a full length album would be a lot of work but i hope that's what it is, just saying that it could be a shorter length album

[pine nimbus]

I keep thinking a shorter album

[wary lava]

7~ songs?

I'm fairly sure an ep is like- 4 to 7 somewhere in there... with most of their albums being 11-13

[livid pine]

there are really solid 9 and 10 song albums. i believe that could happen. also the fact that SAI and clancy both were developed in a year and there have been things in the works since trench. i’m sure we there’s a lot we haven’t heard yet

[cedar cradle]

sempiternal is a great 11 song album

same with thats the spirit

[rancid delta]

They used purple for the lavish shirt... it's time purple album truthers

[tame tendon]

Hmm, maybe

Also

You guys know purple is the opposite of yellow

[teal compass]

If we keep guessing purple every era it’s gotta happen eventually right?

0/3 on purple era and I’ll happily keep deluding myself into thinking it’s coming next

[dark ermine]

I’m still on team cyan.
Blue means defeat, but why Cyan was teased at the beginning of this era? There HAS TO BE a reason

[tame tendon]

When was cyan teased?

[teal compass]

one of the 3 overcompensate letters was named cla_im00FFFF.jpeg, 00FFFF is the hexcode of cyan

put that together and claim cyan is an anagram for i am clancy

this also gives me an excuse to bring up one of the most interesting things this era, one of the other 3 letters is named _maniac_Clay.jpg- which has one too many a's so its an anagram for "I am a Clancy" instead of i am clancy

no idea what that means yet but its a very intriguing detail given the multiple people in the paladin crowd that are dressed like clancy

[dark ermine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/twentyonepilots/s/2tVEsrIbNm

[tame tendon]

Oh yeah I remember that

[cedar cradle]

That is the most ugly march I’ve ever seen I’m so sorry

Gold and purple are not a combo bro

[teal compass]

I feel like it would probably look better without the logo and bottom text lol

The way it’s all smushed to one side is kinda off it’s like when you try and add an image to a word doc and it completely destroys the formatting and pushes everything to the edges

Their merch is always 50% ass and 50% amazing though it’s a proud twenty one pilots tradition🙏

Just gotta pick out the good stuff

[cedar cradle]

The Clancy long sleeve shirt should’ve been a sweater

It’s so sick I’m just gonna make my own so I can have the design on the sweater

Idk how I’m gonna figure out the Smudge rgo

Tho

[sullen finch]

Forgive me already for opening back the off topic, but this chat seems more chill than the general ones or the one dedicated to the tour

I'm slightly getting worried by the amount of people saying they had a bad experience in tour and especially pit because I did choose pit tickets for me and my brother. We're not ultra fans with our whole life dedicated to the band... We're like, slightly above casual fans. Been listening to them since Vessel and Clancy tour was the first opportunity to see them in live
Considering it's our first Twenty one pilots concert and first concert on pit, I thought the experience would be cool. So I don't know if that amount of people saying they dislike the tour and the ambiance is "normal" or if it is really bad ? Also lowkey hoping it is only for the American part of the tour and it will be better on international since 95% of "ultras" fans are probably americans

[tough timber]

I'll say i was in the pit (first time doing GA for tøp) in Nashville and didn't think it was bad
granted i didn't go for the barricade or anything but i was in the front row for tyler's b-stage and made friends with the people around me
the only issue was that people lined up really early (i think the first people got there around 4am - i got there around 6am) and then we had some people cut the fan line which caused people to panic and start running which was not ideal
afaik no one got hurt though there were some incidents of this happening and people getting trampled at other shows

[dusty kiln]

i had zero issues in the pit

[tough timber]

right the problem was with the line/specifically the people that cut line and then the reaction to that
nothing bad happened in the pit itself to my knowledge

[dusty kiln]

the pit was fine and i had pit for two shows

[wraith gulch]

I think if you don’t care so much about being right up front, then you will have an absolutely wonderful, drama-free time.

[glass flare]

You‘ve read it here first 😉:
U. C. 25 = 21.3.25
a Friday
Exactly one year after Next Semester

[sullen finch]

Thanks for the reassuring answers 🙌

[tame tendon]

Wait can you explain this better

Oh wait now I get it

But you realize Next Semester dropped on March 27 not the 21st

[glass flare]

You‘re right: it was the announcement on x on 21 March

[tame tendon]

So they announced it on the 21st?

[waxen meteor]

woah

this also would tie into my v vague/ill defined equinox/solstice theory (not really a theory, just noticing repeated releases and important dates occurring on them, as well as some thematic nods in the clancy letters). which also ties into some of the work/t you've done of seasons and cycles.

march 21st isn't the equinox in 2025, but the spring equinox is always on the 20th or 21st (okay the 19th too) so i think its close enough 😂

[glass flare]

And it’s a couple of days after the Ides of March…

[tough timber]

an interesting idea for sure and if it's that then we've way overcomplicated things lol

out of curiosity have they ever teased something using day, month, year format?

obviously they don't always follow the same patterns so they could use DDMMYYYY for the first time now I'm just wondering if it's something they've done before

[modern atlas]

what is U C

[tame tendon]

Ultimate chapter

[modern atlas]

ah

I really don’t think 25 is a year

why would they keep pushing it if it was a year..

[tame tendon]

There’s no way they’d wait that long, the clues are already finished as far as we know

I’ll never stop believing the 25 in that means 25 total songs

[modern atlas]

I also think it’s interesting that blurry faces tweet was at 2:50, separating the two and the five. Meaning it could be 2/5 or 5/2 (the latter of which is a friday)

[modern atlas]

it could mean multiple things

[tough timber]

idk February 5 is in between their South American and Mexico shows so that would be during the LATAM leg and May 2 they're playing in Paris so that's during the Europe leg

at this stage i do think 2025 makes more sense for any extended/deluxe/double album stuff

[modern atlas]

Yes but it’s obvious that it’s either coming out in 2024 or 2025

so why do they keep hinting at 25 if it’s such a minor thing

[tame tendon]

I still doubt the 25 specifically means 2025 even if it doesn’t come out this year

Because if it’s a whole other chapter, 25 total songs just might work

The 13 already existing Clancy songs and the new ones

[tough timber]

i like the idea of 25 songs
seems unlikely we get another album before the end of this year though
we already got clancy and all the mvs and the tour and the line
idk how much more than can cram into 2024

[tame tendon]

This all is so confusing

The predictions

It’s all so polarizing

[waxen meteor]

ohhh jogged my memory on this. i also found out that on the spring equinox -- march 20 2025, but it can vary from march 19-21, the holiday for the new year is celebrated called Nowruz. in zoroastrian religion and now more broadly persian culture this holiday can involves several people holding lit torches. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/3/21/what-is-nowruz-and-how-is-it-celebrated

[rancid delta]

Start fresh with a new year

[glass flare]

Exactly

[modern atlas]

https://x.com/PedroHdzzG/status/1847712126477193381

Guillermo (@PedroHdzzG) on X

@Awesomepeople43 @KEONSEAST There was theories those are the first letters from songs discarted from Clancy, but hoping that's for an upcpming album 🥹

Twitter · Oct 19, 2024, 6:51 PM

You guys wouldn’t believe how many letters are in the tweet.

[dark ermine]

People are saying this since May and we’re almost in November lmao

[modern atlas]

No like

why would they keep saying 25 if its only significance was as a year

does that make sense?

[dark ermine]

I mean yeah, it’s the most plausible theory so far

Maybe 25 has another meaning we haven’t got yet, idk

[modern atlas]

Well 25 songs would also play into the tweet I just sent

[dark ermine]

Could be, but I don’t think so, seems too many songs to me

[modern atlas]

11 songs in the next album

14 from this one

[dark ermine]

I know, but we’re not sure yet if it’s a new album. Could be and EP or a Deluxe

[modern atlas]

yeah… butttt….

i’m pretty sold on 11 songs

that tweet kind of confirms it for me

if the 25 is related to this and not a lore thing

[shadow cipher]

LEVEL UP: You are now level 8!

[modern atlas]

shut up

[burnt scarab]

scaled and icy was the ending all along

[modern atlas]

yeah but then we’re missing a chapter

wait maybe not?

[modern atlas]

no OC is definitely after the outside

so sai is definitely not the end

but we are kind of missing something between NATN and SAI

[tame tendon]

Uh have you forgotten about Levitate?

The order of events is Jumpsuit then NATN then Levitate

[tame tendon]

I will remind you that the dmaorg letter from March 17 2022 perfectly describes what Clancy was doing between Trench and SAI

[modern atlas]

yeah but that makes no sense to me

sorry, I'm confused, I missed trench era

So Clancy runs away, is free in Jumpsuit, then why is he back in Dema in NATN?

[tame tendon]

Here’s a fun fact NATN was released alongside Jumpsuit as the two lead singles from Trench

[tame tendon]

No Clancy is not free don’t you remember he was captured by Nico at the end of Jumpsuit and taken back to Dema

[modern atlas]

Oh I completely missed tha part of the mv 💀 I thought the Banditos saved him

[tame tendon]

They saved him from his trance but remember he tripped while running

[modern atlas]

ah

[teal compass]

Simplified timeline based off our current info from i am clancy:
Clancy escapes for the first time by tricking nico in some way to bring him outside the walls which we see in hds, Clancy wanders in trench for a while before being found and brought back to dema by nico which we see in jumpsuit, An unspecified number of other escapes occur between videos, Clancy is broken out of dema by the banditos which we see in natn, He travels to the bandito camp and is shown their colors and told they need him for something (presumably the plan to get to voldsoy) which we see in levitate, and is then captured at the end of levitate and put into solitary confinement as the bishops work out a plan to use him for propaganda and create sai

[modern atlas]

wait where is nico in HDS and why do the banditos want to go to voldsoy

[teal compass]

nico is driving the car in hds

and torchbearer wants clancy to get to voldsoy so he can get the antlers and take down dema as far as weve seen

we know torchbearer was working with keons in some way but its unclear if torchbearer full on knew they were going there to gain the power of seizing or if it was a more vague "get clancy here for a weapon against dema" but the general plan seems to be use clancy as a weapon to bring down vialism

[modern atlas]

I thoughr the antlers swept up on shore with clancy?

[teal compass]

no clancy gets the antlers from ned later on in the outside

clancy washes up on shore, is lead to the ned cave by torchbearer, goes in the cave and sits with the neds for a bit, then walks out and gets handed the antlers by one of the neds after it takes them off its own head

[tame tendon]

Where exactly do you get your knowledge from im curious

[modern atlas]

my poor memory

[tame tendon]

Oh, ok

[rancid delta]

To those who know, I think it's obvious now

[cedar yacht]

I don't know

I need context

[ocean anvil]

Same

[open bluff]

???

[raven lagoon]

I really don't wanna be a leak listener, but I'm so curious

[cloud lynx]

without spoiling or crossing the rules (hopefully)
the topic of the song, the lyrics, and the whole style of it

[boreal portal]

It's literally a crossover to another album lmao

[tame tendon]

Has to be, like it can’t not be that

[tough timber]

they seem to always use their non-album singles as bridges between albums imo

like heathens was heavy on hints towards trench
then loc & csty transitioned into sai era
there wasn't really one between sai and clancy unless you count tyler's cover of twenty-four but even that kind of fits the pattern imo

[cedar cradle]

how does the line confirm a double album

the song seems to be about jinx

[cloud lynx]

this doesn't mean this cannot also be a Dema lore song

or a bridge onto another album

for example Imagine Dragons did that, with Enemy

[cedar cradle]

well explain the lyriics to me and how it means a new album

[tame tendon]

Imo The Line IS the flashback. Clancy is reflecting on what he’s done while he’s in Nico’s arms, then he’s gonna fight again

[cloud lynx]

yeah!!

like

[cedar cradle]

i think that line probabaly relates to jinx and vi not wanting to continue the cycle of violence with the topsiders vs trenchers

[cloud lynx]

yeah, the cycle

[cedar cradle]

idk

lore is dumb i just want more music

[cloud lynx]

this could also apply to the lore

[tame tendon]

Bruh how is lore dumb

I created this world

[cedar cradle]

its fine

[tame tendon]

To feel some control

Destroy it if I want

[cedar cradle]

but i feel like people care about it more than the songs being good lol

[tame tendon]

So I sing Sahloooooooo

Folina

[tame tendon]

That’s definitely not true

[cloud lynx]

the lyrics btw (spoil alert)
#1299402435256782868 message

they're so lore-coded

even the promo is lore-coded and i believe the image they used for the tweet is also in the Digital Remains? and other things

[waxen meteor]

I love how that bodes considering the line and lavish are probably my favorite songs on Clancy sound-wise

[tough timber]

||is it the strings? bc im half convinced tyler's learning violin or something|| I'm not sure if this counts as spoilers so I'm putting this just to be safe

[waxen meteor]

That might be it!

[tame tendon]

That’s probably not true because Tyler is working with an acclaimed series on this song so they probably prepared a whole orchestra for him

[tough timber]

i should've put /j for that
they've done more strings this time around is all i mean
and it wouldn't surprise me if he's decided to learn another instrument but i didn't mean that in a completely serious way either 😅

[wraith gulch]

Yeah haha the Paul meany IG video on lavish showed it was just a plugin they used for the strings. But I don’t at all hate that they seem to be incorporating those elements a bit more

[tough timber]

yeah i saw that too
don't mind it at all i love a nice orchestral sound

[modern atlas]

Unfortunately this song doesn’t sound like a public hit 😔

[tame tendon]

Yeah not really but it’s still pretty good

[brazen leaf]

imo they don’t need a public hit rn

they’re doing so well

[modern atlas]

id disagree imo

[brazen leaf]

what makes you think they need a public hit

they’ve never been in the mainstream

and clancy has been so successful for them

[modern atlas]

maybe a little selfish of me but i’d like to be able to talk about them without the stereotypes of their 2016 brand being brought up

[dusty kiln]

they dont need another crazy hit

theyre doing just fine

[brazen leaf]

i mean i guess but if ppl wanna be stubborn and refuse to appreciate how artists can grow and develop then they’re missing out on some pretty damn good music

but i still don’t think they need a hit

[wraith gulch]

RITN will be a hit when they make it a new post-release single. Plus I’d rather their next “hit” be something off Clancy versus another movie/tv show song anyway. But I agree they don’t need it.

[tame tendon]

I don’t see why it’s still not a single

[wraith gulch]

They’re making a new music video for it. When that’s done is when I think they will.

[tough timber]

lol i saw something calling them the biggest band no one knows or sm like that
they probably like that too if i had to guess like they can still live their lives without being swarmed by people everywhere they go and i think the fans that do recognize them are chill with a few exceptions ofc

[dusty kiln]

i thought they already did make it a single

[tame tendon]

No not yet, they just promoted it through an ad then said nothing

[wraith gulch]

Yeah, hasn’t been officially pushed yet

[dusty kiln]

ah i thought it had been a while ago

[lean mango]

For anyone who doesn't mind The Line spoilers, I posted a big theory in the verified thread for it

but TL;DR, after examining all the evidence, here's how I think it'll go

-Shortly after Paladin Strait, Clancy realizes he got himself in way too deep
-This results in Nico overcoming him and his dark emotions taking over, and he becomes a bishop. "We must destroy them or we will become them."
-While a bishop, Clancy still fights internally to regain control, which requires him to wrestle with some of his deepest fears and insecurities
-Torchbearer and the Banditos come to rescue him, and with their support, he's able to regain control as Clancy again and truly come to terms with everything he's facing, rather than trying to destroy them

[cloud lynx]

i'm wondering if Drag Path is related to The Line
a scrapped early version, or just a related song

[lean mango]

-This goes along with some much heavier, more raw music compared to the first half where Tyler expresses some stuff he doesn't like to face in order to work towards overcoming it

[lean mango]

Have you been spoiled on anything about The Line/heard it?

[cloud lynx]

yeah

[lean mango]

I personally don't think there are many similarities

and I think if there's a double album, Drag Path will be on it and separate from The Line

If you want to see more specific thoughts on my theory I'm going to drop something else in The Line's spoiler thread (verified one)

Also apart from the super overt evidence, I think a lot of subtle things could be pointing towards the bishop transformation

the letters becoming progressively more stained might not only indicate that Nico got ahold of them, but also reflect Clancy's mental state going that direction

As well as Tyler's face being hidden/blurred in a lot of recent photos

[cloud lynx]

And BF just seems to have taken control since the Digital Remains

or at least after them

[lean mango]

Yea, agreed

[cloud lynx]

for example the Paladin Strait MV teaser with the creepy Dema stuff

i think this was foreshadowing

[lean mango]

Yea, basically everything we've seen since the digital remains has shown that Nico is as powerful as ever

[left kite]

I hate it when boyfriend takes control

[cedar cradle]

The line is sonically feels like what happens after Paladin strait

I think the line 100% means we’re getting a new album or at least drag path

[dark ermine]

imagine if all we get is a single song

better than nothing I guess, still will be a bummer 😭

[silk bolt]

10/30/24

3:24 time stamp

Either live album out on March 24th , or 10 more songs out March 24th , the double album with the line being #11 to make it 25

Cope hard my friends

This is all derived from the live routines in the night music video they dropped

[tame tendon]

Is March 24 a Friday by any chance

[silk bolt]

Nope it's a Monday nvm that doesn't make as much sense I forgot to check the day of the week

[waxen meteor]

i am also thrown by the extra 3 seconds of nothing

this is a bit weird, it shows up as length 3:25 in playilst view

that could be 'march 2025'

eh i think they always just add a couple second of black and nothign at the end of the videos

[lean mango]

Reminds me of the 3:21 in the tour video

Is it possible that was another 3:24 hint?

If it was March 21st instead that is a Friday

[open bluff]

Top fans when they see a number

Jkjk haha

[lean mango]

ye, to be clear I'm not sold at all on 3:21 or 3:24 yet

But I have been thinking about it, and

the longer we go without the finale, the less it makes sense for this to be basically the end, IMO

story-wise, I can see the argument for it, but in terms of logistics I think there would've been very little reason to have Paladin end on a cliffhanger for only one more song which we don't get for as much as a year later

The only reasonable argument I can think of for one more song while leaving Paladin on a cliffhanger is if it was The Line, and they were working on Arcane's timeline, but I just don't think that's the case

minor thematic spoilers: ||The Line, if it is lore, absolutely does not sound like an ending, in fact, quite the opposite. If it's not lore, then there's even less reason for it to be the finale song||

At the same time, if there's no major story twist, I don't think much more than one more song makes sense either

For example if the finale is just him opening his eyes, fighting, and then winning w/ the support of those around him, I don't see any good way to stretch that into multiple songs, let alone 3-4. I mean, they could, but it would feel like padding to me

So TL;DR, especially with The Line leak, I'm becoming closer and closer to 100% sold on the double album theory and the fact that things aren't going to go well for Clancy when things resume

I guess I could see the argument for "they just want to draw out the end of the lore as long as possible," but why?

what reason would there be to leave us with a cliffhanger for a year for a very brief resolution, when the alternative would be much simpler? (Ending it with a 14th song on the album in the first place, keeping it to one version, and building the tour around a celebration of that resolution rather than the space between the cliffhanger)

Even if Dema completely burns and the universe it's set in is destroyed, they could do a flashback thing from the perspective of after the finale without changing too much from the concept of what they're already doing

[waxen meteor]

ive been holding off posting this bc i dont wanna start another june 25th lol but here's a few lines of evidence for march 21 2025

---- General Info and Circumstantial Support ----

March 21st, 2025 is a Friday that falls in between the end of LATAM leg (Feb 24) and beginning of Europe leg (Apr 7). New releases are generally done on Fridays. This tour break does not coincide with Easter, which is Apr 20th this year.

The spring equinox, which occurs between March 19-22nd every year (March 20th in 2025), is the Persian New Year, Nowruz, with roots in Zoroastrianism. Celebrations of this holiday can include carrying torches in a parade, looking very similar to the Banditos in PS. A handful of release dates and language in the Clancy letters have lent significance to seasons and equinoxes/solstices. In support of the Spring Equinox, there's "the revolution will arrive with the sun" (Clancy letter). Plus there's the lyric, "start fresh with a new year" (Next Semester) (@tough timber).

---- Compilation of hints towards March 21, 2025 ----

Ultimus Capitalus 25 - U C 25 - 21.3.25 ( @glass flare ).

In Clancy Tour Episode 2, Nico jumpscares us at 3:20 and 3:22, leaving a frame of Tyler -- with his head cut off -- in the Jumpsuit Trench coat at 3:21. Mar 21st.

In Ned's Cozy Fireplace, the letter sent from Ned to Ned has missing letters. The missing letters spell out "aa date," which could mean, "date 2." The number of missing letters by line is: 3-2-1 (not including the lines that aren't missing letters), or Mar 21st.

In the 3 most recent Moon letters, the ones sent in the red envelopes, there are two instances of extra "a"s -- one of the images is called "maniac_clay" which unscrambles to "a I am Clancy." (Some interpreted this to be 'I am a Clancy', like there are multiple Clancys.) And in one of the letters itself, there is a random extra a: "I'm not as scared as a [sic] I used to be." ( @indigo nacelle ). This points us towards paying attention to the word "a" in these letters. And if you count the appearances of the word "a", you get 3-2-5, or 3/25, ie Mar 2025.

PS MV was released on June 21st (unclear if this was original intended date or not given all the ??? around the release of that). This was the summer solstice; the longest day of the year, and the beginning of when days start to get shorter. The sun is also setting at the end of the PS music video. That would also make March 21st exactly 9 months after PS MV release.

Routines in the Night and Vignette are both 3:21. Maybe Stressed Out too? (credit @indigo nacelle)

In Overcompensate MV, Tyler makes hand symbols for 3, 2, 1. (Credit Reddit user u/bluefairy).

(Line leak info) ||the line releases on 11/22.... that would make the line + march 21st be like, 1,2,3,2,1||

during ||jumpsuit|| in the tour, an aspect of tour visuals makes a pattern that can be interpreted as 3, 2, 1.

[real field]

So at what point is it not considered a double album anymore, I haven't been keeping up but it's been a minute

[lean mango]

It can be a double album as long as they consider it branded with the first one in some way

though generally the big qualification is either same era, same branding, or recorded at the same time

for example Kid A and Amnesiac by Radiohead were released a year or two apart, got different names, but they consider them a double album because they were written and recorded in the same sessions

[tame tendon]

RITN Vignette and Stressed Out are 3:22 not 3:21. And about the Paladin release date, I feel like that date was given to us in the Overcompensate bridge. “Days feel like a perfect length I don’t need them any longer” and it also referenced its own release date by saying “but do the years seem way too short for my soul corazon”

I totally agree that all signs point to March 21 though

[indigo nacelle]

On Spotify they are 3:21

[waxen meteor]

Good catch..

When you put those lines together like that, the days one could be referencing PS date, the years one could be reference March 21st (Nowruz) 👀 but leap day does seem more likely

[lean mango]

I don't think the Paladin release date was planned ahead of time, Tyler said early June and wouldn't have had any reason to say that if he knew from the beginning that it would be the 21st. They also only filmed it 2 months ahead of time so a delay seems likely

[odd cargo]

i think paladin only took so long cause we took so long

[lean mango]

no, the blurryface clue was essential to solving the puzzle

it was impossible to solve without it

and the site and file were created right before the tweet

[odd cargo]

oh yeah

[lean mango]

One interesting thing to me about Paul Meany's production peeks is, I was thinking that surely when Paul said they more or less started the album a year before it came out, he must've been referring to Tyler bringing demos to him at that time

(in other words, the demos were made before that)

but apparently they just started many or most of the songs in the studio there

[tame tendon]

Here’s a fact. Paul Meany said in the Overcompensate production peek “it was like 25 tracks of just nonsense”

That kind of proves what 25 means

[lean mango]

Yea, and there's more

he talked about "13 drum tracks" which is a highly specific number

there are more than 13 clearly visible

[tame tendon]

The RITN concert video released 25 days after it was filmed

[lean mango]

so it's not even accurate, but it is the number of songs on Clancy

and then he follows it up with the "like 25 tracks of nonsense" thing

[tame tendon]

And the length of the video is 3:25 which could point to March 2025 and we all remember the 3:21 drama with Clancy tour episode 2

[lean mango]

I feel like that has to be intentional, otherwise why would he say 13 and 25 specifically

[tame tendon]

March 21 could be when we get ultimate chapter and it completely fits the end of the story because 3/21 is counting down… to the end

And to add to that it’s exactly 21 weeks after October 25

[modern atlas]

yes and 11/23 is counting up

I've been saying this for a while

nobody believe me

[waxen meteor]

well, the thing about 11/23 is that TOP has no control over that release date

and they couldn't even really be cheeky about it after the fact bc the arcane release date has been altered/pushed back

since like mid summer

TOP probably has some sway over whether The Line gets released BEFORE the episode that it airs in (which i think will be nov 23), like how some other artists songs already got released, but they can't control when the overall soundtrack for Arcane gets released, since the date for that was set by when the last episode of Arcane airs (Nov 23), and it hasn't even been a consistent date over time.

I'm not sure i explained that well so lmk if it didn't make sense

[cedar cradle]

nov 23

[waxen meteor]

^^edited post to reflect that, idk why i had some idea the acts were releasing on wednesdays

[arctic karma]

Hello double album crew!! I’ve been working over in #1295180140568907837 trying to find easter eggs in the lighting and visuals for Clancy Tour and I ended up coming up with this document. Figured I’d share it here in case it helps solidify this theory. Enjoy!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-NboFOyp6lC3zNw8h0f-Gy2_IGP6OlBEe4gyDBW1O2c/edit

[indigo nacelle]

Those production peeks are cool and interesting… I never took into consideration the numbers he says, just because they sound off the cuff and random… but maybe your right, maybe Tyler coached him lol

I want him to do atrofd, they said there were 50 something versions or something crazy… (and then they said they made it “perfect” ||and didn’t even put it on the setlist|| 😑)

[waxen meteor]

same, i wanna hear more about that development

and based on digital remains, it kinda seems like the version we ended up actually ended up getting is pretty sanitized compared to some earlier drafts

[modern atlas]

What if the music comes out on the 21st and the music video comes out on the 25th?

of march

So the 321 hints are for the music and the 25 hints are for the lore

[tame tendon]

Hmm… I feel like music will definitely come out the 21st, and the music itself will be making Clancy a 25 song album

[brazen leaf]

one thing you could for overcompensate that i noticed: on the video wall towards the end, one of the 8 neon lights begins flashing and almost fading

[stark fiber]

i honestly feel like if the double album theory is true. we could get a single from it in March (w/ more Clancy tour dates) then the full double album in June and tour picks back up in July

[rancid gust]

yeah its pretty much just a waiting game at this point

excited for arcane season 2 tho

[rancid delta]

Tyler just straight up confirmed paladin wasn't the end for the first time

We are so back

[fallow violet]

cant believe we really finally got a straight up confirmation

him saying hes working on the ending literally right now

we are so back

[boreal portal]

fr ?

[rancid delta]

Fr fr

[boreal portal]

im watching the live from the start case i missed it

[rancid delta]

How you feeling now double album deniers???

[boreal portal]

been here day 1 .

[rancid delta]

Same. It was obvious with the cliffhanger

[olive plume]

https://tenor.com/view/twenty-one-pilots-tyler-joseph-josh-dun-happy-hip-bump-gif-10519119735252757314

[dark ermine]

what did he say precisely? I’m watching rn that part of the interview but I can’t really understand what did he say because he’s talking in a very low voice ahah

[lean mango]

He said "there is an ending," then basically said it's been written and planned for a long time but he has recently been working on the details for what it will look like visually

He also said he doesn't know what they'll do after the story ends

[dark ermine]

oh ok, makes sense

[dark ermine]

Honestly I expect a long hiatus after the second part of Clancy, but I'm willing to wait even 5/6 years for the next album and I'm not exaggerating. The amount of work during this era on their part was incredible, overall we will have the longest album of their career if we include both Clancy and the Ultimate Chapter, all the Clancy Era MVs as well as the new ones that will be released, a single for Arcane, a tour and a probable new one after the end of this and much more. They deserve a long rest after this grand finale.

[wraith gulch]

Doesn’t it also seem like they are really pushing the word and concept of “two”? Tyler wore two completely different outfits during the Q101 performance. And then their RITN post today to me really emphasized the two night thing. It’s interesting to me they did this on the same day as the Q101 two outfit thing.

[waxen meteor]

#verified-theorists message

^ Tyler's reponse to question

[indigo nacelle]

I didn’t even notice the different outfits 😑

[waxen meteor]

i dont think the black outfit is in the q101 video

[burnt scarab]

we are back baby

[tame tendon]

That is a false statement know why?

We never left

[karmic lake]

thats interesting and also im wondering why he changed his shoes and socks in the middle of the performance?

[indigo nacelle]

exactly, he does it in the live show too, but not every night, and it's driving me insane bc it's got to mean something! I have a whole spreadsheet with the shoes change pattern😂 And now he does it for this... it makes no sense.

[karmic lake]

been there i tracked all of his shirts and whether he wore the black beanie during icy

[tough timber]

I kinda feel like maybe he wore the black to rehearse and then changed? nothing else makes sense to me

[karmic lake]

its interesting they would post something from when he was rehearsing

[indigo nacelle]

But all he did was put on the grey sweater and change his shoes

[indigo nacelle]

exactly, where was the "new song of the fall" lol ... it's like they needed us to see the black?

[karmic lake]

but for what reason?

[waxen meteor]

did that end up going anywhere?

[karmic lake]

it just got more brown then light again and he sometimes wore a black beanie

[waxen meteor]

oh yeah i ment like. did the times he wore a black beanie make a pattern

[tough timber]

i kinda just took the "song of the fall" thing as Mark making fun of tyler and also the "did i just write the song of the summer?" trend but i should know better than to think it means nothing 🤪

[indigo nacelle]

haha me too! until now... the shoes...

i edidn't know song of the summer was atrend but i get it lol

omg my keyboard is broken 🤪

[tough timber]

it's been a thing on tiktok
kind of a sarcastic thing most of the time
somebody sings something (generally poppy/catchy tune) and says "did i just write the song of the summer?"
there are variations of this but that's the gist of it

and mark has been vocal about not liking vertical video
so i could see him teasing a tiktok trend by saying that

[karmic lake]

I’ll have to look at my notes in a little while and see

[dark ermine]

Am I the only one who is starting to worry that Tyler meant waiting the usual 2-3 years for a new album when he talked about "preparing the ending"? If nothing arrives in 2025 I think I'll go crazy 😭

[rancid delta]

Well then it wouldn't be a "double album"

And an interview with Josh a while back said they have plans at least through 2026

Should be 2026 or sooner, still betting on 2025

[lean mango]

Doesn't seem likely, that'd it really weird to call Clancy the end even if they try to combine it into one era with branding

[rancid delta]

Yeah that's false marketing lol, feel like it kinda has to be next year to still be included in the "Clancy era" overall

[lean mango]

Well, IDK if I'd call it false marketing

to have a twist cliffhanger and not make it super obvious that there's something more, they would kind of have to say it's the end, or talk in such a way that it's heavily implied anyway

Tyler's been saying this will be the end since the SAI era, so backtracking on that at all would make the additional stuff obvious

I'd see it as a case of a necessary but ultimately harmless white lie for the sake of preserving the surprise

[dark ermine]

Hope so

[stark fiber]

i think i mentioned here or in the general theories chat but i'll just it again in case anyone missed it.

so we all know the number "9" is a huge symbol of the lore

• 9 circles on Blurryface artwork (each representing a bishop)
• "Nico And The Niners" (9th track on Trench, and the 9th song they played on the first leg of the bandito tour)
• Clancy was originally gonna be released on the 9th anniversary of Blurryface (the album that started the story)

when "The Line" comes out later this month, that'll be their 90th song, but thats irrelevant to the story

BUT what i do think could happen is the whole "Clancy Ultimate Chapter" thing and the 6/25 thing ppl pointed, i think "Clancy Ultimate Chapter" could be the deluxe version to "Clancy" coming out in June 2025 with an additional 9 tracks AND if they do the deluxe with 9 new songs (going back to how i said "The Line" will be their 90th song) then they'll now have 99 songs after a possible deluxe comes out

[karmic lake]

that fits so well together

[karmic lake]

i have looked at my notes and made a visual so we could look for patterns if needed (sorry for ping)

[sleek pendant]

yeah he had a different outfit for soundcheck, which is still a bit odd but he never changed the outfit afaik

[cedar yacht]

So double album is confirmed for sure ?

What if what he's working on isn't music bur something else

Also I really think that if this is an album it's gonna be trench 2.0 in quality like maybe it's the said album he's been working on since 2019

[tame tendon]

Not necessarily. Tyler said “there is an ending (to the lore), I was just piecing some of it together the other day” so I’m definitely thinking a double album is imminent

[cedar yacht]

Piecing some of.the tracklist

PLEASE GOD THIS IS SO EXCITINGGG

[tame tendon]

I’m rewatching it he actually said carving not piecing

[karmic lake]

I wonder what he means by “carving”

[tame tendon]

You switch the A and R it’s craving, but that isn’t a lore song

[stark fiber]

its just a way of saying he's figuring out how he wants it to end

[indigo nacelle]

Isnt “carving” in drag path?

[karmic lake]

im not sure does anyone have the supposed lyrics to drag path?

[indigo nacelle]

Yes it’s in digital remains but I don’t have it saved on my phone, I can’t check rn…

[tame tendon]

Wait I have it downloaded I’ll take a look

No there’s no carving in Drag Path

[indigo nacelle]

Oh what am I thinking… does it say etching?

[olive plume]

yeah! “a drag path etched on the surface as evidence i left there on purpose”

[tame tendon]

Yeah there’s etched all over that page

[modern atlas]

👀

[proven harbor]

Yeah one second

DRAG PATH (devil’s eyes)

A drag path etched on the surface
I'm here again, conscious but defenseless / worthless

A drag path that’s etched the surface
The evidence I planted / left there on purpose
The off chance that you feel compelled to save me again
A set back, for you just inconvenient / a minor inconvenience, I’m confident you’ll find me
I dug my heels next to each other
As evidence for you to / that you will discover
A drag path that leads to my prison, I’m confident, you’ll find me

A drag path etched the surface
The evidence I planted on purpose
A set back, no more inconvenience
I dug my heels next to each other
As evidence for you to discover
A drag path etched on the surface

[tame tendon]

I'm still a heavy believer the next album will probably be "torchbearer"

[tame tendon]

I don’t really believe that since I’m not seeing any evidence toward it

Well the bishops have an album, the banditos as a whole have an album, the citizens of DEMA have an album, and clancy has an album. So why not follow the naming convention of "clancy" and name the next album "torchbearer"

[proven harbor]

I think it’s more possible for the album to be centered around tb but not called that

[tame tendon]

The next album will be called TB, but it will be so hard to tell if it's about torchbearer or taco bell

The tracklist is just tacobell saga Mashups with their other songs

[proven harbor]

Peak album right there

Fr

[tame tendon]

Imagine a HDS + TBS mashups

"There's an infestation in my nacho bell grande"

(Lavish will remain the same)

[proven harbor]

LOL

[proven harbor]

“Mindless zombies walking around with a limp and a crunch”

[tame tendon]

Actually scratch this I thought of funny

"Sip a Baja blast like it's Dom perrion" (thats the only change in the song)

[lean mango]

I think it's kind of a stretch to say all those groups of people have albums. Blurryface is named after Blurryface specifically, pre-Bishops, and at the time, he wasn't even intended to be connected with the Bishops in the story, that's an idea Tyler had after planning that album

Trench is more about the place than the Banditos as a group, they're prominent but that's because they're some of the major characters in the story

I wouldn't say SAI is about the citizens of DEMA either, it's pretty expressly about Clancy's isolation, and even when he goes into the public it's at events with a relatively small attendance, even though the livestream was broadcasted

The only ones specifically named for characters are Blurryface and Clancy, but bear in mind those are both just different sides of Tyler. He's always going to write from his own perspective, not Josh's or Torchbearer's, because he can't speak for them and he knows this (basically the point of Kitchen Sink)

If an album were to be named after Torchbearer, it'd likely be because Torchbearer saves Clancy, but given the buildup we've seen, I think it's more likely to be all the inside and outside Banditos with TB

I think something branded as Clancy like Clancy Pt. II or Clancy: Final Chapter is much more likely

[tough timber]

what do you guys think of the possibility of a music video between each leg of the tour?

we got RITN live between north america and nz/aus

I've been assuming the line will get an mv so in theory they could release that between nz/aus and latam

then if the double/deluxe/extended version of clancy is intended for June of 2025 they could drop a new song and mv between latam and europe (i know the march 21 theory has been floating around)

obviously no way to know til it happens or til they give more outright hints but I can hope lol

[karmic lake]

We can all hope

[karmic lake]

Also what is the march 21 theory, I think I missed that somehow

[tough timber]

#1213244361320439828 message

[karmic lake]

as i was reading that I just kept getting more mind blown, yup definitely subscribing to that theory right now

[dark ermine]

Wait, The Line won’t release on Nov 23?

[waxen meteor]

||according to the leaker, 11/22. Idk why they would lie but no guarantee they have correct info||

[raven lagoon]

The soundtrack album releases 11/23, and The Line is on it.

[bright tinsel]

It’s pretty awesome how double album isn’t cope anymore. It’s all but proven at this point.

3/21 could just be the announcement of the double album though, or a major hint. While the album itself could drop in June.

The thing I question the most is what Clancy Final Chapter will look like. Will it be an EP? A full secondary album? Or a single? If multiple songs, do they all get MVs like what they did for Clancy?

Will it be branded as “Clancy Final Chapter” or called something different? Will we get a deluxe version of Clancy down the road that includes the extra tracks? Is The Line a part of the narrative?

[indigo nacelle]

Or release date of the first single, like they teased with “2/29”

[waxen meteor]

That's what I'm thinking as well-- I extremely doubt they'd release an album in the middle of the tour, and I'm thinking blurryface 10th anniversary (or the cllsest friday to it) is the most likely date for them to release an entire album or EP.

But 3/21 could be a single drop like Jennie said

[dark ermine]

I think the only thing confirmed it’s the fact that Clancy is not the end of the story. But double album? Idk, could be only a single, a deluxe or something like that.

[rancid delta]

Well we know it clearly isn't the line, as tyler was saying he was still trying to figure out how to go about the ending just recently

I personally believe that it's already been fully written, I assume he may have been talking about MVs there

[olive plume]

he meant visually. he has the ending figured out but he doesn’t know how to adapt it visually for a wider audience, like in music videos or whatever else that may mean

he definitely has the ending and the story all punched out in the music

it’s just how to express it in different avenues that he’s working on

[graceful hill]

What if they release clancy on the planned 9th anniversary - then paladin strait happens and the double album releases in the 10th year since bf thus breaking the number

[tame tendon]

I’m confused what?

[stark fiber]

Clancy was supposed to release on the 9th anniversary of Blurryface (May 17th) but they had to push it back by a week cause of the music videos

[lean mango]

wait, this actually makes sense

Yea, I believe what they're saying is that they release a second album in the 10th year to break the cycle of 9s (9th year, 9 bishops, etc.)

[bright tinsel]

That’s a perfect way to do it.

[graceful hill]

Yeah, that's why I said planned anniversary

[graceful hill]

Bingo, thank you

I was trying to say it in as few words as possible lol

[waxen meteor]

This is gold idk why I've not heard it before

[karmic lake]

that is genius

it breaks the cycle

i have to wonder if im not home will be included on the double album bc im still thinking about that and intro to baking

[lean mango]

So, about the 10-12 additional songs timecoded, there seem to be no additional songs for Oceania

It's possible that it's because it's only 4 days

But the longer we go seeing little to none of those additional songs swapped in, the more fishy it seems

One is definitely The Line, but if, say, we get to Latin America and that's the only change, I think it's strong double album evidence