#đŸŽ„ Joker: Folie Ă  Deux

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low junco
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You might be on to something

broken cosmos
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And Reeves already said they aren't doing joker for the sequels yet.

low junco
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Yay

weary path
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i hope we see him atleast

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i want more scenes of keoghan joker

fair nymph
abstract quest
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Not exactly

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I don't think he ever had it in him

toxic rivet
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like dude did you not at all see and feel his immense guilt over what happened

he didnt WANT to kill people

He was never going to become a supervillain

We can see that guilt especially clearly during Puddles testimony.

high fable
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Yeah but thats the criticism

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They added all that in the second movie

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Which detracted from his arc from the first movie

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"I was scared, but now I murder people and its liberating" Meant to be some dark twisted version of self actualization

toxic rivet
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He was never meant to be a superstar in the first film either

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autocomplete what

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i meant supervillain lol

high fable
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Aint what the audience believed

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Box office agrees with me

toxic rivet
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Box office has nothing to do with this lol

toxic rivet
high fable
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Its got a low critic and audience man, idk what to tell you

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Box office flop also vindicates it all

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Its an ok film were it on its own but its a horrible Joker movie

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Not what people asked or wanted, surprises are nice but this aint one of em

fair nymph
elder junco
low junco
high fable
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Atleast he got to diddle Joker

elder junco
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The movie ain’t that bad

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Everyone is just hopping on the hate train for no reason

elder junco
vague isle
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Its not bad its actally good

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its the ending that needs tweaking

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i hope a director cut could come out futurre

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with a rehashed ending

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Make arthur the one who cuts his own face

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and eventually become the joker

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The hallway scene could be a flash back

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Since that guy never has speaking lines till the end

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just retcon it

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Could be the "joker"

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and the joker finally wins

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and becomes arthur

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I mean arthur finally died and became the real koker

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joker*

autumn scarab
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https://boxd.it/7Lgclh

A ★★★★ review of Joker: Folie à Deux (2024)

Look around, look at all these people. I will no longer allow any of you
to keep me down. Let’s take a trip down memory lane and cast our minds back to October 2019. Todd Philips has just released his new Joker film, a bleak and grounded but oddly beatitiful horror which would make over $1B on a shoestring budget of $55m, becoming a surprising c...

cinder bay
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This is the official full-length cut

vague isle
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Phillips was talking about an original ending

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where arthur is shown to be the one cutting the glasgow smile into his face

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But it didnt make the final because he asked The Nolan guy

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and he didnt agree

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he said no one should be joker except Heath ledger

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which doesnt make sense anyway since nolan cant just copyright joker

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he doesnt even work at warner brothers

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Todd phillips should of stuck with the orignal ending

sullen plover
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the sequel would have been quite different had the first one had that ending

high fable
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The sequel wasn't originally planned out

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But its been in development for a while

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I remember even reading about the title release a long while back

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That being said, the script pitches are night n day

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Wherein the second one is heavily decoupled from the first, it was very blatant in the original script that it was a story of Arthur turning into the Joker, wherein Joker was the real him like deep down inside.

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And the blood smile scene was the point of no return

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But they tried to retcon that and rewrite another story for the sequel

vague isle
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that was meant to be the ending for the sequel

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mind you

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we see the reveal and its joker carving his own face

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arthur

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there was no guy

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thats why the guy is silent

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throughout the film

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for some reason it got retconned

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after todds talk with nolan

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he had to quickly change it

high fable
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Im not following

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In the original Todd wanted Arthur to cut his face with glass from a broken car window, which Nolan stopped

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And so he just went with the blood smile, which was also good

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But Nolan dropped from WB

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And so Todd added the cut smile into the sequel

vague isle
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Oh

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it wasnt for the sequel?

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i think theres confusion

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theres articles that say arthur was meant to mutilate himself in 2

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Yeh it seems nolan has a hard on for blocking anything

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seems he did it twice

high fable
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The original had the slice smile but they removed it, idk whats going on with the second movie

vague isle
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Its nolan being a bitch i guess

high fable
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There's alot of cut content like the Gaga scenes in the trailer

vague isle
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Todd should of gone ahead and done it

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what is nolan gonna do

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hes not employed by WB

high fable
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And rumor was that Harley was meant to be the one to off Arthur at the end, but idk

vague isle
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he doesnt own the joker IP

high fable
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Tbh Nolan's movies weren't all that, like the first one kinda sucked

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It was moreso the actors carrying hard

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Ledger and Hardy

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I will say the script and like beats n twists in the Joker was super well made

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But like the first and last movie were kind of bland, Bane didn't really have much going on

vague isle
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I dont get how batman survived

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or was it a dream

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but the scene with the lucius fox

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he said sir the auto pilot was fixed by bruce wayne

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are we meant to believe batman ejected in the last second

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then swam back to the shore

high fable
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Its more a vibe thing for me

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The costume, the way Gotham felt etc.

vague isle
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did u believe batman lives at the end?

high fable
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Snyder's Batman had its issues but I really liked the suit and how over the top dark he was

vague isle
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it seems to hint he survives

high fable
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Reeves' Gotham is peak, like the first movie taking place entirely at night

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And it really sold the idea of how rotten the entire town is

vague isle
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I am a fan of tim burton gotham

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It had a gritty element to it

high fable
vague isle
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like super dark

high fable
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But the studio or something made em add in Bruce

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Cause they felt audiences wouldn't understand

vague isle
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Haha

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how do u feel about burton gotham

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it has a darkness to it

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that is missing from the others

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its so grim

high fable
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Idk that was before my time

vague isle
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not even really campy

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like adam west batman

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Yeha same

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im 99

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but i went back and watched them

high fable
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I have a bit of an issue getting into like theatrical movies that aged, i.e Star Wars or Burton- Like the slow ass kendo stick movements the Obi Wan vs. Vader fight was just bruh, or Burton's Batman not moving his head lol

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When it comes to older flicks I prefer the more dialogue driven or less prop/cgi reliant ones like Scorsese n shit

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Godfather, Goodfellas etc.

vague isle
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Haha not moving in head

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yeah they had a call out i nthe batman begin

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" you want to turn your head"

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or was it dark knight

high fable
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Im sry man I cant take you seriously

weary path
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ik that every artist has their own takes on stuff but nolans batman stuff was pretty mid

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like the dark knights good but it dosent even feel like a batman movie

cinder bay
west sorrel
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I thought I would hate this movie but it was alright. the acting by Gaga and Phoenix in my opinion was great. I didn’t enjoy the songs and I hated the ending 😂

broken cosmos
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Gagas interpretation was exactly how I expected it to be 😂

vague isle
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Ive been thinking more about it

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is it possible that the unnamed character is actually a part of joker "Shadow"? he has no speaking lines until the very end. the guards dont notice him

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At the end wouldnt the guard of not let that arthur sit in the hall with another random prisoner?

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Then the joker really did " win"

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whether arthur suicided or not, i dont think the random guy was a real person

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Just thinking more in depth into it

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I think the cartoon at the begining is foreshadoiwing

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That shadow is stalking him around the prison wanting to come back to its owner

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He even reaches for arthur at the medicine place, trying to get him not to take the medicine

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And dont forget the end of joker 1 took place in the hallway , in the imginary scene, that never happened

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seems the hallway has some special significance

distant ore
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I think he’s real, he represents the fanatic obsession people around him have with Joker. that’s his “shadow”. After the courtroom explosion, the fans are chasing him around saying “We love you!”. He’s literally being chased by his “shadow”

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interesting theory tho

simple lark
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Saying fuck you to your movie audience isn’t good

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The movie flopped and was a HORRENDOUSLY COLOSSAL failure because of that

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Everyone involved lost money, Todd had some controversies while making the film and his approach, he probably won’t get another job with the studio back lol and reputation ruined for rejecting James Gunn’s notes and saying he wanted nothing to do with DC, having full autonomy over the final cut and still fucking it up, not test screening the movie in advance, and insisting on filming the movie on more expensive locations instead of taking the studio’s advice to save money. And it ended up backfiring extremely

Guess the joke’s on him styles

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The post production was terrible

simple lark
weary path
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joker 2 confuses me so much

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like bruh why is todd choosing probably the most privileged position a director as a way to deliver the studio a fuck you

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like bro todd ur given ungodly creative control and a gigantic budget and free reign, stop bitching abt the boo hoo fanbase didnt get my movie and flipping off the fans w it

shut stratus
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If you don’t wanna do it

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Instead of taking a bag and doing a hatchet job

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Like dude you got paid, don’t act like some kinda saint

pulsar needle
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Absolute trash of a movie. Shame on Phillips. He should never be allowed to direct ever again.

pulsar needle
abstract quest
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I'm still indifferent to the movie

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But man if todd philips played nice this movie could've been a whole lot better

eager bluff
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Finally watched it. I thought it was much better than what people gave it credit for. I think people went in with different expectations

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I can understand not liking the musical aspects. I even found them a bit much at times, but I think people wanted Mob Boss Joker, but that's just not who this Joker is

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In the first Joker, he's not a criminal mastermind, he's a mentally ill person barely keeping it together. And the sequel was very much the same. I'll admit I still wanted him to run away at the end, but I do think these movies are more about mental illness than they are about supervillains.

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In some ways, I respect Todd Phillips for not going the "Joker escapes and starts a mob" way, because I think that was the more obvious and less inspired route. I know people hate the whole subverting expectations thing, but I feel like the movie had more to say going the way it did than if it just did a traditional comic book movie.

eager bluff
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Do we think that Arthur actually had a visitor at the end? Or was that a coordinated trick to get him alone? I thought it was a little odd that the guard just kept walking and didn't come back at all.

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Although, with his crazed fanbase, I'm sure there would be lots of people that would want to see him.

kindred patrol
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I guess we’ll never know smokeduck

prisma schooner
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The guards were in on it

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The guards clearly hated him too

cold axle
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Bruh who let Joaquin sing

woven crescent
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Honestly I wish they should've gone with the joker escaping and becoming one of the greatest villains of all time.

sterile shard
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honestly i wish they could've Not

elder junco
kind totem
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Or have the movie be longer and show the other Joker breaking out and being more of a menace than Arthur

cold axle
kind totem
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That sounds like a fun story

abstract quest
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Peak

lethal silo
cold axle
mild shale