#đŸŽ„ Joker: Folie Ă  Deux

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rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
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Like who would ever give Phillips money again? or Coppola after they put out such shit.

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Movies won't be mainstream anymore.

rustic gazelle
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Nobody wad giving Coppola any money before anyway

pulsar needle
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They'll be niche.

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And they'll make no impact if creatives took over.

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Coppola tried to make his own films without the studios and they made no impact.

rustic gazelle
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He did an insane thing and made his own thing in his own terms and now people mad about it

pulsar needle
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One for the Heart almost sunk a studio.

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Heavens Gate destroyed a studio.

rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
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What good is art if it makes no impact?

rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
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If it just becomes a forgotten thing.

pulsar needle
rustic gazelle
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Original Blade Runner made no money, yet people talk about it 40 years later

pulsar needle
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Phillips for instance.

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What a pathetic director. So much hubris and ego.

rustic gazelle
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Maybe the issue is the wide release

pulsar needle
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Take risks, but don't spend a lot.

rustic gazelle
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If they go back to making 15 mill films that go the festival and then arthouse route they'll probably find more success

pulsar needle
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"Get Out" costed only a couple million.

pulsar needle
rustic gazelle
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Take it to the studio

pulsar needle
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He wanted no test screenings and he said no to budget decisions to reduce the cost (I.E deciding not to film in London to take advantage of their tax credit).

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But yeah, the studio is to blame for trusting Phillips so much and for being greedy in making a sequel to something that did not need a sequel.

rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
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Megalopolis flopped hard.

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And Phillips can say goodbye to creative control.

pulsar needle
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And everyone is grilling him, deservedly so. He went way overboard.

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If you want your arthouse films, make them for less.

rustic gazelle
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We need more films like this that piss everyone off and make the studios bleed money

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The resl Joker would love it

pulsar needle
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Nobody will care anymore.

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You hate people enjoying movies.

rustic gazelle
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This is a trend much bigger than two directors doing their thing

pulsar needle
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And flopping at it.

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So much dislike for both.

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From critics and audiences.

rustic gazelle
rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
rustic gazelle
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Didnt know that started last month

pulsar needle
rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
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I.E French Revolution.

rustic gazelle
rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
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Studios aren't going to make the small films if no one watches them.

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So why aren't you watching them in the theater?

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Oh, that's right, because you don't care.

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That's why I like A24 films because people actually go out and watch them and support them.

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But of course, when anything niche gets popular, people like you will start saying it's overrated.

rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
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Well, can you find millions more of you out there?

rustic gazelle
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I even watch more smaller stuff than the big stuff

pulsar needle
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Because my issue is how to mobilize more people like you to go out and support.

rustic gazelle
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You are making a bunch of assumptions because you ran out of arguments

pulsar needle
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Should I kill myself if I like the big movies?

rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
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Because you seem to have such distain for people like me who like regular films.

rustic gazelle
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We need either reduced ticket prices for certain days or even movies or types of movies

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Or more arthouse theater chains

rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
rustic gazelle
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Everything okay bro?

pulsar needle
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No.

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I'm having a rough day.

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Nothing matters anymore.

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Everything I seem to love is just crumbling.

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Nobody cares anymore.

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I'm just spiralling now.

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Getting angry for god knows what.

rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
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I'm sorry for arguing.

rustic gazelle
pulsar needle
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I guess there's no justice in the world.

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I feel sad about it because I used to watch more out there films.

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But since nobody cares, I stopped.

rustic gazelle
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Yeah i mean, in a perfect world there'd be just enough mainstream and arthouse movies out there and enough theaters willing to show both

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With affordable ticket prices lol

pulsar needle
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AMC played around with that idea. A low budget arthouse film would be a cheap ticket, but a mainstream blockbuster film would be an expensive ticket.

rustic gazelle
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But in all seriousness, thats how it works where i live

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Theres the big theater chains that show the mainstream blockbusters and those are expensive, then there's the smaller arthouse theaters that cost almost half the price

trail quartz
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i don't think arthur had a visitor. my theory is the guard had a deal with the dude who shanks him and was leading him out as bait.
actually kinda think the bomb was not intentionally set to free arthur from the trial but maybe just a stunt. that it actually freed him is more of a "happy accident" than anything. i think that makes sense with the theme of ppl caring more about the chaos joker brings than arthur as the person.

mellow bolt
weary path
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honestly im siding with wb on this one, bros gave todd 200 million dollers and bent over backwards and this is what he gave em

weary path
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like he finally comes to visit arthur after his trial to get some semblence of closure if not from the actual guy that killed his parents

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and thats taken away from him

true monolith
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Yeah if that was the directors idea from the beginning it most certainly could’ve came in full circle especially if it was at least hinted in the first film, but in my opinion it was kind of forced and didn’t leave the impact it should’ve had with such a tragic and revealing scene

thin hawk
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Someone like Phillips never deserved full creative control.

sinful sparrow
low junco
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Get the straight white men out of Hollywood

native sorrel
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eh nah that's just dramatic. i'd rather see someone's full creative vision on a movie, good or bad, than have a bunch of out-of-touch executives or outside ppl change it

low junco
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Dead right, no more of those out of touch straight white male executives

native sorrel
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ok i get it you hate men lmao

lethal silo
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But the solution isn’t to just exclude a group of people that one dislikes

low junco
lethal silo
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I’m naive to industry but I’d think it’s reasonable that most directors shouldn’t have full creative control unless they have a proven track record

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not just one or two major films that do good

low junco
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Joker was a monstrously big hit relative to its budget, one of the most lucrative Warner Bros sweeps in an age

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And that’s coming after his Hangover movies

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He’s a guy who can bring in money

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Until now

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Woopsie

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Can Cathy Yan be let out of director jail now

exotic apex
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How was the budget for this the size of a marvel movie is what I want to know, there were only like two or three locations in this movie aside from the musical dream sequences

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the scope for this didn't feel much bigger than the first

weary path
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I mean phoenix took like 20 mil

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Then theres the fact they had to get a set for the court room and then arthur running around

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Also getting all of arkham rented out

low junco
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They’re all over Hollywood

low junco
weary path
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Ik but they had to rent out atleast something for it

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Since philips apparently insisted they shoot at more expensive locations

exotic apex
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The explosion scene cost $100 million, I got it

exotic apex
weary path
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Cant believe todd philips blew up 93 court rooms just to get the perfect shot

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What an artiste

weary path
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Man fr got given ungodly control w a marvel blockbuster budget and just said fuck it lemme cook

exotic apex
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I wonder if there will be a more expensive drama than this

weary path
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Probably

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Tho the studio will probs be breathing down the directors neck

low junco
weary path
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Like philips might have just sabotaged the whole dcu w this

low junco
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The Gunn DCU isn’t linked to this at all

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That’s very publicly accepted

weary path
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No i mean in terms of studio being involved

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Like what if the execs start tweaking stuff in gunns plan cuz of paranoia from this

elder junco
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Incels hate it because it completely goes against what they misinterpreted from the first movie, politically correct people hate it because it’s a joker movie, and comic book lovers hate it cause it’s not a joker movie

low junco
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I liked it

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Which category am I?

fair nymph
sinful sparrow
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I didn’t like it but I don’t hate it

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Hate is a strong word for a film that doesn’t please pseudo intelligent film bros

exotic apex
fair nymph
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I think it’s fine, it has some really good ideas but it doesn’t really develop them or do anything that interesting with them

elder junco
solid needle
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What if you’re just a movie fan, and you didn’t like it because it wasn’t a good movie?

exotic apex
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Points to this one over the first one for not pointlessly and forcefully adding fanservice stuff like Bruce Wayne into it

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I haven't seen the first one in years but that stuff was so cringe

lethal silo
solid needle
exotic apex
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You could give him any other name and nothing would change ig

low junco
simple lark
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Aye

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I just got out

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One word

low junco
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(I do not condone this meme)

simple lark
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The movie had some things going for it, Gaga almost nearly saved it

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But in the end

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Nothing really fucking happens

low junco
low junco
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Right at the end

simple lark
low junco
simple lark
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Todd wanted to be cool

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He’s like

low junco
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He died for ||repenting his sins||

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He showed humanity, and was killed for it

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You can like it or not, but there’s an intent to the story

simple lark
simple lark
low junco
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It wasn’t that haha

simple lark
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He was gonna die anyways

low junco
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Ye

simple lark
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The world

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“The human” world

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Was gonna do him in

low junco
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And?

simple lark
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I mean

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Idk what “humanity” you’re talking about

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He still laughs like a maniac

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Dude is just sick in the head

low junco
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He chose to accept what he’d done instead of trying to blame it on some supervillain alter ego

simple lark
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The movie’s point is he’s split in two

low junco
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He confessed, instead of torturing his survivors

simple lark
low junco
simple lark
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Arthur AND Joker still exist

low junco
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Then he sees that by using this excuse, he’s hurting the few survivors of his crime spree

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So he gives up the act

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He was never split in two lol

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This isn’t subtle, they very explicitly say all of this

simple lark
simple lark
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You really think both movies are as black and white as you think KEKW

elder junco
simple lark
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The characterization is much more different here

low junco
# simple lark It only works if you didn’t fucking see the first movie This goes against every...

The first movie was about a guy getting pushed and manipulated by shitty circumstances until he availed snapped went on a killing spree?

The second movie is him being manipulated into thinking he isn’t guilty, that there is some supervillain alter ego inside that did these horrible things for him. The most Arthur has ever been in control of himself is in confessing that he went on a murder spree, not hiding behind the moniker.

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The movies go together

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You might not like the story, but it’s a coherent whole

low junco
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He was never a criminal mastermind, he was always a sick man on a one night shooting spree

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Like any number of shooters across America

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This was never the Joker who fights Batman, it’s an alt-universe take

simple lark
simple lark
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Idc about Batman

low junco
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Lots of cults turn on their inspiration eventually

simple lark
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Pointless, lunatic

low junco
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The whole point is by recanting Joker, he’s made enemies of the mob he rallied in the first film

low junco
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The same one a Joker guy said when he killed the Waynes in Part 1

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You get what you fucking deserve

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The movie is flawed, but for God’s sake pay some attention lol

simple lark
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You pay attention lol

low junco
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He’s clearly a Joker fanatic

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There’s no other reading

simple lark
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On my phone lol

simple lark
# low junco He’s clearly a Joker fanatic

Just another wannabe who just like Joker and this movie’s script, amounts to nothing. Him killing Joker and Joker finally “deciding” he wasn’t Joker amounts to nothing. Even if it was real (which it isn’t, right after “repenting” he laughs the both times the jury says “guilty”, maybe you’re the one who needs to pay attention), at that point it’s too late dawg. I study Psychology, diagnosed and specifically psychopathic Psychiatrist patients (which are a higher case than a Psychological one) don’t just SUDDENLY go and change like that, and if they do, as psychopathic patients they’re not supposed to believe and just let them out fast like that scot free

The first film was about a guy who the world failed him getting an ambiguous chance at life. The world did and would do nothing for him (doesn’t really justify him full on murdering in non self defense of course) and he gets his sick or not revenge on that. And he also gets his consequences for doing so (jail and eventually, death) They could’ve just left it there if Arthur/Joker’s story was gonna end the same way anyways. Hence why the idea of a sequel was veeery shaky when the first came out.

low junco
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Oh girl

simple lark
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my take

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lol

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I need to log this

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2.5 stars

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I don’t think the movie is shit tho

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Just extreeeeemely divisive

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I enjoyed the movie

simple lark
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At least call me a pretty girl

exotic apex
simple lark
exotic apex
simple lark
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Therefore, I cannot call this movie definitively good or bad

exotic apex
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I thought some of the dream sequences were inserted weirdly sometimes

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Like during the court room

simple lark
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Or were redundant

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How many times do we gotta hear Joker and Harley love each other in a fucking song!?!?!?

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Dawgggg even from the opening encounter (which is one of my favorite scenes this year btw) you can tell they’re mad as fuck for each other

exotic apex
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I thought it was weird how my movie started at 6 pm and I came in at around 6:03 and my movie already started

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I must've missed like 10 minutes somehow

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Probably because I was the only one in the room

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When I came in, it was when Arthur was being taught about singing

simple lark
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In the end “the mentally ill loner” got lied to and manipulated by the only person who loved and understood him, “repents” in an effort to get a reduced sentence (which makes no sense because if he really wanted that then his best chance at getting a redemption arc where people would believe him was through pleading insanity with the lawyer WHICH he fired in a dumb psychotic rage) and dies still sad and alone like he was at the end of the first movie

simple lark
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But I was first showing

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So

fair nymph
exotic apex
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I saw it in this hdr format and the colors on this movie looked so good and striking at times

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I swear this movie was fullscreen in the trailers because my showing was in the 2:39:1 aspect ratio

abstract quest
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From what I gather from this chat and this server is that you people like arguing about who enjoys movies the right way

weary path
simple lark
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That’s not what reviewing or offering opinions about movies is about

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We’re all just offering our takes and interpretations on it

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Nothing new, nothing serious

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Also this is one of the best parts and things ever from the movie

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abstract quest
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Idk maybe I'm just a casual

weary path
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i think people get a bit too passionate w the debates ig

fair nymph
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So good

simple lark
simple lark
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Just don’t get too defensive when other people don’t share that

simple lark
fair nymph
exotic apex
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I'm scared to know how expensive each dream sequence must've been because the sets look huge

simple lark
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To make a movie based on a courtroom

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A prison

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And fictional dream sequences

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That and they overpaid Joaquin

pliant parrot
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I wish this was more interesting

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If this went further it probably would’ve been better

low junco
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@thin hawk how’s your mental health bby

exotic apex
brisk meadow
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Joker 2, unlike the others you mentioned, followed a movie that made over $1B

Most people were not expecting contrarian dogshit from the movie itself, either.

orchid birch
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I think people expected good things from Joker 2 esp after the huge success of the first one and majority were disappointed. Also the problem wasn't that Joker 2 was greenlit, every studio would have done that.. problem was that Todd Phillips was given 100% creative control, with no checks and balances.. he didn't even bother to do test screenings.

Now it's gonna be a huge flop.

weary path
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i hate that some people are seeing this as a w for the artist cuz philips basically flipped off wb

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like man might have single handedly made wb more involved w the artist moving foreward from now on cuz of how hard he fucked up

low junco
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The vast majority of studio filmmakers work with execs and get notes

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Phillips only became an exception because Joker 1 was so massive

weary path
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didnt philips ignore his notes and basically burn through money by insisting they film at expensive locations

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ye true nvm

low junco
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He was never gonna be ‘the new norm’ anyway, he was an exception

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Relative to its budget, Joker surprised everyone by being one of the more successful WB films ever

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That gave him negotiation power no one ever gets

weary path
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still tho idk how man managed to fumble so hard

low junco
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So this won’t affect 99% of studio/director relationships

low junco
weary path
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"it came to me in a dream"

low junco
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No not that

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Most films come to people in dreams

weary path
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but imagine telling a studio exec that the plot for the sequel to your billion dollar movie came from the main star having a dream abt the mc dancing and singing

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o yea also its a musical now

low junco
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1). Todd Phillips was able to negotiate unprecedented creative freedom, despite not being a hugely talented writer (the script for the first Joker, pre-studio revisions, is very bad).
2). It’s a musical.
3). Bad word of mouth for a month after Venice.
4). Bad word of mouth over opening weekend from fan screenings.
5). Lady Gaga fans wanted more Lady Gaga.
6). Joker fans wanted more Joker.
7). The title is in French.
8). The first one was five years ago.
9). The first one came out in a media storm, at the height of Trump panic, and people wanted to see the ‘evil’ movie.
10). Todd Phillips keeps doing interviews for some reason.

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Those are the reasons why it’s dying at the box office

weary path
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ik half of these but todds still doing interviews?

low junco
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It’s not one thing, it’s a bunch of things

weary path
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i thought man just took the money and ran off to some shed in the woods

rancid pagoda
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Apparently not

thin hawk
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Plot twist: Ruby was responsible for Joker 2’s failure.

low junco
fair nymph
weary path
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tfw the 2 year secret u been keeping in wasnt worth revealing

thin hawk
native sorrel
exotic apex
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No way they wouldn't care when they put $200 million towards it

native sorrel
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a $200 million bribe test screenings not included

weary path
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i think they assumed todd wouldnt shit the bed

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instead he shat right to the basement

pulsar needle
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What a pathetic movie. No defending it. It's going to have a big second weekend drop for a movie of its type. Haha!

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Phillips and Phoenix get what they deserve.

fossil talon
fair nymph
hardy geode
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I think this movie is just ok, not great, just ok. I don't hate it like most people do. Am I alone in finding it just ok?

native sorrel
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not at all if i know i'm not alone for finding it good

stiff egret
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I don’t completely hate it

thin hawk
fierce burrow
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"harley quinn look I'm serious now stop singing"

lethal silo
lethal silo
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dude is pretty clever

fair nymph
abstract quest
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I used to think joker was a drama

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but now I realize

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It's a fucking musical

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Joker 2 oscar SWEEP

sterile shard
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it was a comedy

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now it's a tragedy

fair nymph
fair nymph
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“Folie à Deux” lands on home entertainment platforms on Oct. 29.

exotic apex
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Dang that's gotta be a new record for one of warner's bigger releases

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since the height of the pandemic at least

lethal silo
exotic apex
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They still do those?

kind totem
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The razzies suck

thin hawk
kind totem
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Can wait

hexed belfry
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Joker 2 is the Dragonball Evolution of superhero movies

kind totem
elder junco
hexed belfry
kind totem
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That meme was one of the only good things that came from it

orchid birch
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My god, 81% drop in the second weekend is a record, even worse than The Marvels which had 78% drop.. this movie is gonna be one of the biggest flops ever.

abstract quest
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It's so jokver

compact plinth
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So I guess there will be no joker 3

merry junco
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I just watched it in the cinemas tonight, I’m not feeling like myself now. But hey, at least nobody ran away until the credits started rolling (FYI, that’s not saying much).

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If they didn’t make it a musical, the movie probably would’ve been alright. But fuck, the musical segments got progressively annoying, the ending makes that one scene from the trailer let’s face it, click bait.

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I didn’t get to see the fullscreen version sadly, just the widescreen crop instead. Just don’t bother filming like that if you’re not gonna show it in certain cinemas and then lock it in the vault. Fucking release it.

distant ore
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I absolutely loved this movie. I’ve seen it 4 times already. Joker 2 is highly misunderstood. It’s a fantastically beautiful film but also very dark, which is balanced out by the musical elements

abstract quest
merry junco
distant ore
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Yes. Yes. Yes. and Yes

merry junco
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Hell no, all the musical segments got progressively annoying.

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If they left those bits out, it’d be better. But we all know that’s not saying much, the film is bollocks.

distant ore
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I disagree. The songs were amazing and catchy. The upbeat sounds juxtaposed the brutal reality Arthur was facing. Showing the fantasy he retreats to inside his mind. The film is brilliant

toxic rivet
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Fuck yeah <3. Fully agree.

kind totem
hardy geode
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This film destroyed pt 1

hearty rock
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When Joker said to lead Arthur to Paradise, I wept

elder junco
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So I loved this

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Sorry

toxic rivet
wraith harness
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I agree i enjoyed but I realised it could have been way better and it was still quite lack luster

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but I still heavily enjoyed it from a technical point of view

low junco
sterile shard
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wait why are people liking it now

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this movie was just so unnecessary

low junco
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Get em!

elder junco
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But that doesn’t make it bad by any means

elder junco
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“Mistuh Puhdllez”

fair nymph
balmy sparrow
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Can anyone tell me why so many people hate Joker 2? I mean I didn't like it, but I don't think is that bad, and people are talking like is the worst movie of the year.

half tusk
# balmy sparrow Can anyone tell me why so many people hate Joker 2? I mean I didn't like it, but...

Because:

It presents a completely different concept from the first film.
The majority of worldwide viewers (ticket buyers) likely expected a similar approach or tone to the original.

Most people enjoyed the first movie and will naturally compare the sequel to it.
Unfortunately, Joker: Folie Ă  Deux falls short of being on par with the first.

The movie is a musical, and not a particularly good one. Many viewers around the world tend to dislike musicals in general, especially when they aren't well-executed and end up being a bad one.

sterile shard
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i didn't think of Joaquin Phoenix's Arthur Fleck to be a character i would have to follow into a sequel.

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imo the first movie had a perfect ending

kindred patrol
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there is no folie a deux in ba sing se

solid needle
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Tru

vague isle
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for one we dont know srthur ttuly dead. For one there is medical doctor on Arkham. Another could be a drram sequence likr in 1

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It wouldnt unheard of to surive stab if he got enough blood in time

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which im sure they have blood bag stored there

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it depend in that knife hit any organ

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I like to think srthur will survive and meet harlee

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something tells me its not the last joker

balmy sparrow
orchid birch
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That's a interesting perspective

hearty rock
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I mean most audiences prolly don’t like that but I guess it’s one perspective lol

sinful sparrow
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It sounds like satire xdd

brazen maple
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Yeah just watched it. I meant to see it earlier. Anyway it was disappointing mess for me 4/10 or 2/5.

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thin hawk
prisma schooner
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I think he is just being nice about it lol

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Because most ppl who even hate it say that its a fuck you but in a bad way this is just that framed as a compliment

fair nymph
elder junco
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One of the better musical numbers imo

thin hawk
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Arthur Fleck gotta be one of the most tragic characters out there.

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His lawyer was genuine and right all along.

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sinful sparrow
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high fable
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Idk the visuals n shit were nice

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Like this sequence was cool but it shouldnt have been a dream

thin hawk
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Yeah 2/5 movie, but cinematography was solid, and Phoenix’s acting was commendable.

lethal silo
abstract quest
high fable
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what

abstract quest
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mb

weary path
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In my head canon the movie never happened

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It was just a dream arthurs having while being driven to the hospital after his first encounter w batman

high fable
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😭 It. Was. All. There.
The actors, the shots, the budget, the concept.

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They just had to shit on it

weary path
#

Todd had to say a fuck you

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Like bruh

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You were given ungodly creative control

high fable
#

Even it being a musical, like lotta audiences didn't like that aspect, but scenes with Joker singing like a maniac while murdering people would've been such a Joker thing to do

weary path
#

I still think the movie shoulda just been joker and harley along w a young patient arthur took under his wing escaping arkham and causing chaos in the city

high fable
#

Yeah, coulda opened the second half of the movie with the carbomb or some shit too

weary path
#

Woulda been cool if harley became more guilty as the joker persona started becoming more and more in control

high fable
#

I was kinda vibing with the movie up until the Gary scene

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Did feel a little dissapointed that him hammering the judge was just a dream sequence

weary path
#

No i ment like him without the trial

high fable
#

But was aight, felt like "Damn ok we really rolling now"

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Then got immedietaly shut down

weary path
#

Just arthur and harley escaping arkham with another guy

high fable
#

Yeah I know, just breaking out with Harley and doing anarchist shit

weary path
#

And the movie takes place over the span of a day

high fable
#

But even in this screenplay with a courtroom drama they coulda made it work

weary path
#

Could have it be so that while harley is becoming guilty the more vile joker becomes

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The young patient that escaped w em becomes more fanatical

high fable
#

Yknow the last scene

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Wanna know the funniest part

weary path
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Yea

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Id just go scrap that scene entirely

high fable
#

The guy that killed Joker is supposed to be Heath Ledger's Joker xd

weary path
#

Makes no sense

high fable
#

Like Philips wanted to make his Joker canon to the Nolanverse, like what the fuck are you doing bro cmon xd

weary path
#

Bro i think that was just a reference

high fable
#

He wanted to do it in the first movie, but Nolan was still at WB so he shot it down

weary path
#

If philips actually wanted to make it be like the nolan verse then it would make absolutely no fucking sense lol

high fable
#

But after the gorillion dollahs, critical acclaim of the first one

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And Nolan now being out of WB

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He went ahead with the cut smile thing

weary path
#

Yea

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Aint no way the guy at the end is heaths joker tho

high fable
weary path
#

That makes no sense on multiple levels

high fable
#

"Arthur Fleck isn't the Joker"
*Then why in the fuck did you name the movie Le JONK, TODD!?!?!"

weary path
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Cuz jonk looks allot better than

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"Some fucking guy"

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I find it funny that arthur fleck was just some random guy

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Who impacted batmans life in ungodly ways

high fable
weary path
#

Clearly

high fable
#

Movie also cost more than Dune 2, idk what the fuck they did with the money

weary path
#

Apparently todd insisted they shoot at more expensive locations

high fable
weary path
#

So they probably rented out a real asylum and court house for the movie lol

high fable
#

I mean the sets looked nice, but not expensive lmao

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Also yknow those musical scores

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With Harley and Joker dancing on some set

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That shit aint 200mil fuck outta here

weary path
#

Atp the only way i explained it is that todd talked his way into 200 mil

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Spent the money he had to

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And just burned the rest

high fable
#

Todd method directing

weary path
#

Yea like that

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Oh btw heaths joker burned billions of dollars in that scene

high fable
#

Yeah its kinda dumb mob having that much money

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But its a cool shot

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So fuck it

low junco
#

Rewatched Joker 2

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Even better a second time

high fable
#

And?

low junco
#

Such a blast

high fable
#

Ruby shawty dont do this to me

low junco
#

It’s so funny!

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His old imaginary girlfriend is mean to him in court so he daydreams a big musical number where he kills everyone

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Dudes rock

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Lady Gaga sets a building on fire to the beat of showtunes

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Their evil plans are to build a mountain and fantasise about hosting a TV variety show

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It’s exactly as ridiculous as the first one (which everyone took way too seriously anyway)

high fable
#

Hang on lemme grab a quick second screen

low junco
#

Plus the look/sound/performances are industry class

high fable
#

God damn you todd

low junco
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That’s good

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People don’t have taste anymore

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This is why we need The Joker

vague isle
#

Arthur is the joker, and the guy at the end is also the joker

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Arthur was at peace , he still lived a decently long life

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even if it was fill with sadness he had moments of hapiness

exotic apex
#

Amen

vague isle
#

Even his last moment he had a smile

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I do wonder if it was his lawyer or harley isiting

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Visiting*

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But yeah he got to go out being arthur fleck.

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Knock Knock whos there

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Arthur fleck

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Arthur fleck who?

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" Im the same guy who killed murray"

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we can escape

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there is no we arthur..

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all we had was the fantasy

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and you gave up, man that was so sad that scene

prisma schooner
#

I don't think he had a visitor

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It was just the prison guards being in on the real joker wanting to kill arthur and making it happen

thin hawk
#

The fact nothing happened to Brendan Gleeson’s character despite his actions is crazy.

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SA’d Arthur and killed his friend Ricky.

low junco
weary path
weary path
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Coming to talk w arthur to get a semblence of closure on things

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And that gets taken away from him by the real joker

low junco
#

There’s no visitor

#

Bruce is a child innit

vague isle
#

Harlee or th3 lawyer

weary path
#

Hed be like 12 in joker 2

brazen maple
elder junco
#

Why did the guards want him to be killed

weary path
#

ig to make sure he dosent snitch on them killing his friend

prisma schooner
#

They just hate him tbh

vague isle
#

Nah thwy wouldn't of kil him

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He was gobna get the chair anyway

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100 percent it was eother harley quin or the lawyer

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Lawyer would want to represent him in the trial again

high fable
#

So allegedly an earlier draft of the script

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Had Harley killing Joker and taking on the mantle

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Which aside from it still being kinda dumb, was miles better than some random ass guy

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And taking his actual fucking name

#

Tf you mean he isn't "The Joker"

vague isle
#

Well it kind of fits the Joker of dark knight

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he is a guy with no personality who create all these differnt story to how he got the scars

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If you notice he tells 3 different origin story to how he got the scars

high fable
#

Yeah but its stupid

vague isle
#

Probably because the real reason is lame

high fable
#

If you got different guys

vague isle
#

that he kileld some guy and then became joker

high fable
#

Who are "The Joker"

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Like in a literal sense

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If it was more so that like Harley, then Zsaaz, then Pyg or whatever

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Took over the Joker mantle

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More as a spiritual embodiment like Batman -> Nightwing

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Could fit, instead they had to make it like idek

vague isle
#

Well harlee was emotionless, was weird, it was like she was on anti deprsant or something

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arthur was ready to go and escape after the courthouse blew up

high fable
#

Idk whole movie shat the bed third act for me

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Like the first two thirds of the movie became redundant

vague isle
#

yea he was like na im the same guy who killed murray fraklin and she didnt care

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thought they were gonna escape together

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and he didnt even try to run from the cop

high fable
#

Harley was fine, could been more bombastic is all

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Joker was the guy who I had issues with, like Todd decided "Yknow what'd be awesome, guards diddle Arthur and he's no longer Joker" like what the fuck man

vague isle
#

well she that was crueled to arthur. like he ran across teh city and risk his life and was ready to escape up to the room

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and maybe he could of became joker

high fable
#

Sure but toxic relationship is cool for Joker

vague isle
#

after he got mental help

high fable
#

A co dependant toxic relationship idk

vague isle
#

that could of taken out his manic high

high fable
#

Which is stupid

vague isle
#

well he has mental illness, it comes with manic high, he probly was feeling untouchable but getting beat up and possibly allude to more

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with the underwear coming off

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could of broken him down mentally

#

manic high is follow by extreme low

high fable
#

Imma be real homie i dont really care lol

#

Was a dumb direction the director went with

#

And the box office and audience reactions proves it

vague isle
#

Yeah i couldnt belive he died

#

i was waiting for a post credit

high fable
#

Cant really justify or write your way around it, its just dumb no matter how some might wanna justify or explain it

vague isle
#

they couldo f made this a trilogy

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with arthur escaping and becoming the joker

high fable
vague isle
#

yeah that was aweomse haha

high fable
#

And started showing up as Joker in court

vague isle
#

can I fire my lawyer

high fable
#

I felt like that was meant to be the point of no return

vague isle
#

haha he had to listen to all that bullcrap for days and finally he couldnt take it

high fable
#

They did that in the last movie, where him shooting Murray was the real "The Dye Is Cast" moment, but they went back on it a little in the first part of this film

#

Which ok

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Then we had the courtroom scenes

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Then it just went back Again like dawg cmon

#

Finally culminating in him just straight up dying lmao

vague isle
#

I mean the real moment he was stuffed up was when he presented no defence at all

#

that is ridicolous

#

at least he could play into the mental illness card and alternate joker Persona to try and get a sympathy from the crowd

high fable
#

Nah i dont think it mattered, if he wanted to avoid the death penalty or win the case he'd have gone with the lawyer

#

To me it felt like him going Joker was a "fuck it" moment

vague isle
#

ah true

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and then in his closing remarks he really unravelled it

#

he said he killed the people cause he wanted too

high fable
#

And then he unintentionally survives the death sentence cause he inadvertently started a riot who stormed the courtroom when the guilty verdict was announced

#

And we had a french revolution style scene where the mob tears apart the jury, judge etc.

vague isle
#

Yeah i noticed he said " I just want to blow it all up and start a new life"

high fable
#

And or he riled up his fellow inmates in arkham and broke out idk

vague isle
#

maybe arthur knew it was coming?

#

he said that then half hr later the courtroom blows up

#

I would of like to see him as a joker that came to rule gotham

#

but he is probably too mentally ill

high fable
#

Ig we'll see in the future when more comes out but idk what the hell Todd was thinking

vague isle
#

He wanted a shock ending i guess

#

both him and phoenix confirm joker is dead

#

so yea i dont think there will be a third

#

unless they will retcon it that he is rushed to emergency care in arkham

toxic rivet
vague isle
#

im guessing they have top of line medical facilties with doctor on call

high fable
vague isle
#

we got to saw the origin of the joker with a grit of realism

#

That is why it connected with so many

high fable
#

He was giving Charles Manson vibe the entire time, not smart, and just insane wackjob just spouting nonesense but charismatically

vague isle
#

But yeah sucks he was never the real joker, only inspired the joker

#

Yeah he has a huge ego cause everyone bullied him

#

so he needed to had a large ego to cope

high fable
#

Which is fucking stupid, like what the real Joker only dresses like that cause he was inspired by another clown dude? What the fuck man

#

God damn it Todd

toxic rivet
#

I dont think it was an “inspired a real joker moment even”

its just a cycle of violence and crime that’s perpetuated by a corrupt and horribly negligent system

high fable
vague isle
#

Also arthur's 6 kills is immedialty overshadwoed by whoever blew the court room. they maimed so many people and killed at least 30 people

#

harvey got his face burned too

toxic rivet
#

This was never about the Joker persona(only a persona manifested by Arthur’s insecurities, a more confident side) but it was about Arthur Fleck, its about the mental illness

vague isle
#

Yeah he even tells a joke. knock knock. whos there

#

arthur fleck

#

Arthur fleck..Who?

toxic rivet
#

Its not about glorifying violence even in the face of a shitty society

high fable
#

They retconned one of the best scenes in the first movie too.
3 Wayne Corporates, His friend, Murray, (secret mom) and the therapist he kills in cold blood at the end

#

But Todd was like "nah he just imagined it man, he never went full Le Jonk"

vague isle
#

he could of just beat her up badly

#

also its the same hallway he died in i think

toxic rivet
#

Yall realize this desire for the violence is exactly what the films both preach against right lol

high fable
toxic rivet
#

That’s a poster lol

vague isle
#

Todd originally sough approval from the CHrisopher nolan to have a full health ledger joker

#

Origin moments,

#

But nolan denied him

#

so that is what we ended with,

#

just a guy cutting a glasgow smile

high fable
vague isle
#

But yeah i bet no one would even notice arthur was gone, if some guy just showed up dress as the joker ready to command the goons

#

Creating a badass origin story for his scars

#

that changed each time he tells it

high fable
#

todd shat the bed, box office agrees with me- now im out period

#

toodles nerds

vague isle
#

we need cope , to make sense of this movie

high fable
#

the camera work, sets, acting, even the script lines were amazing, thats my cope

#

i tried and failed to make sense of the screenplay

#

its... beyond human reach

vague isle
#

as in the lore aspects?

#

it doesnt even feel like a dc film

high fable
#

like general over arching story ig

#

the scenes within the story were good

vague isle
#

feels like a fake DC film

high fable
#

like it was all fairly decent for the most part, the first movie wasnt that spectacular either

#

and the first 66% of this one was actually better imo

vague isle
#

And then the ending had u like wtf.

high fable
#

but then arthur going back on joker, joker dying, dying to a rando, shoehorn ledger joker, uh etc. etc.

vague isle
#

yeah i was in the cinema for waiting for post credit, couldnt believe he died

high fable
#

was like a roller coaster than reached the peak but never fell down

#

joker can die, thats fine- it was just in such a dumb way

vague isle
high fable
#

yeah but he doesnt need one

#

edgy ass im the joker baby type shit

#

if this is how we went out

vague isle
#

but its the guy we related too since first movie

high fable
#

like jury reaches guilty verdict

#

he says nah fuck yall going out my own way

#

dies like this

#

after killing the courtroom

vague isle
#

tbh that is even sadder

#

if he suicided

high fable
#

and his death results in city wide revolt idk

high fable
#

if it was sad tear porn ok fine

#

its just his death was lame as fuck

#

and outta nowhere

vague isle
#

at least he tried to fight and run but yea he took too many stab, there is also a possible he could of live if hes rushed to the doctor at arkham the guard could be like wtf and went back

high fable
#

wasnt even his death it was him pulling a "im not the joker baby" gtfo todd

vague isle
#

Yeah he was being honest, he felt regret for killing ppl, the first 3guy he killed was threatening his life sure its self defence

#

then he kept killing people after that for no reason

#

only the first 3 was justified

#

Randall murray and his mother was unprovoked

#

He couldnt live with that lie anymore i guess he felt guilty about the last 3

#

after seeing what it did the midget

#

The only guy he really called aquiantance

#

he was like arthur why did u do this to me man, i have nightmare every night now, and he cant ever relax

#

also when that kid he kissed died too

#

due to arthur indirectly

#

Hearing from all those people how the "joker" has affected them must of weigh heavy on his conscience, then seeing ppl dying indirectly due to Joker

#

Weird thing is Nolan original idea was for Arthur to carve the glasgow smile into his face at the end, Nolan denied it, but nolan doesnt work at WB and they had the rights to do it

#

It was only out of respect for nolan work that todd changed the ending

weary path
#

There were no files on him and even bruce couldnt find his identity so we had no idea how he became the joker the multiple stories could have a true one among em

#

Which dosent work the same since this joker is some random asylum inmate who just carved a smile into his face and probs has files abt him in the asylum storage

high fable
weary path
#

Yea same

high fable
#

His lines about a truck of soldiers, his specialty in explosives, him not having a file makes sense- etc. etc. but that is to say not having an actual answer

#

Is the gold standard

#

And the CIA or ex soldier as just the common fan theory is better

#

The social inspiration was also 911, whereas Phoenix was the incel thing

#

So CIA/soldier would also closely tie in with the whole terrorist vibe of Ledger's Joker

weary path
#

My head canon is that he had an abusive dad, developed some mental health issues and dealt w them best he could and then married

#

Joined the military and got good at it

#

Then was in a operation that went to shit and he got disfigured

high fable
#

Nah I felt like the marriage and dad part was just shit he made up by looking at them, him being able to pick apart Gamble had an abusive dad just by looking at him is such a Le Jonk move

#

And Rachel uh, having 2 guys trynna get her so he picks a story bout pleasing his wife

#

Shit like that

weary path
#

Nah im just tryna combine the 2 stories

high fable
#

Ik, but i always vibed with him

#

Making shit up

#

By knowing people

#

Idk

weary path
#

Yea ik but i like making shit up too lol

#

Anyways tho he escapes and comes back to arkham only to find that hes basically beeb erased by the government

high fable
#

According to Todd Philips he's just some random psycho from a prison ward who dresses like a clown cause he liked some other dude who dressed like a clown đŸ€Ą

weary path
#

And that makes him become the joker

high fable
#

Bravo, todd

#

You managed to ruin 2 jokers, thats talent right there

high fable
#

Thats good

#

But also he began to hate the system and the "schemers" cause maybe he idk

#

Was forced to do war crimes while on deployment

#

Like he napalm bombed an orphanage idk lol

#

Im not gonna lie

#

This movie ruined my whole week lmao

#

I mean I knew it was gonna be shit but idk

weary path
#

Yk

#

I wonder how long robin will last as batman in the nolanverse

#

Bros just some random cop whos gonna go become batman lol

high fable
#

Considering how police handle things

#

I think he'll be aaaalright 👌

#

"Where's your karate"
"Here's my motherfucking karate đŸ”« "

vague isle
#

Rip arthur fleck, he was a good man

#

Thats life. This world keep spinning round

weary path
#

also his ass aint stopping the joker

kind totem
#

Oh nice all the clips are out now?

merry junco
#

Can someone find the fullscreen version of the film before it becomes lost media?

#

I think we go through this every time a film is shot on 70mm film, they never release it outside of cinemas, and it becomes lost media (as in no one bothers finding it).

hearty rock
#

I can’t imagine this big budget WB movie is just going to vanish

#

Now had it been swept under the Max rug maybe

#

Or whatever theatrical release strategy WB begrudgingly gave to Juror No 2

thin hawk
vague isle
#

I would of like to see arthur get clean up. Grt a job and career in stand up comedy

#

He was still young enough to fix his life

#

He seemed happy about harley bringing him into a family with the pregnancy

#

I could see arthur becoming successful

high fable
hearty rock
#

I did a better experiment and not watched either of them at the same time lol

high fable
#

This film is a master class of how to perfectly shoot and produce a dogshit movie

hexed belfry
high fable
thin hawk
high fable
weary path
#

donnie and sharks hateship needs to be studied

weary path
high fable
hexed belfry
lethal silo
broken cosmos
#

Is it odd that I don't hate it?

#

As a film

#

As a joker movie, I'm iffy on it

broken cosmos
#

I wasn't the biggest fan of the first Joker. But I think after watching this, Todd Phillips kind of broke down the joker psyche with a fresh take. He seems to understand the type of aggression joker was intended to mix with his misguided delusions.

#

Again I didn't find the first one to be as nuanced.

#

There's a blend of the showmanship and raw anger that was shown perfectly here.

merry junco
#

I guess the original 1.43:1 version is officially lost media now.

#

Why bother filming it that way anymore if you’re not gonna do fuck all with it after it leaves the cinemas?

high fable
#

You people

bleak trellis
#

horrible ending my god. Horrible

weary path
#

honestly

#

the more i think abt it idk why tf todd felt the need to attack his audience

#

like bruh they basically gave u millions for your movie and loved it, idk why u gotta make a cinematic fuck you towards em

kind totem
#

I’ve been doing some thinking. How is Arthur getting beat up and stabbed considered as attacking the audience? He’s been treated like shit the entire first movie

#

I get him giving up the Joker persona may be an offense to the audience but that’s probably because he just simply had regret for his actions. He wouldn’t have committed the murders in the first place if he wasn’t getting attacked by everyone

merry junco
elder junco
elder junco
weary path
#

which ruins the first movie and makes it sorta worthless

kind totem
#

But technically there were many jokers in the first movie too

weary path
#

yea but those were just supporters

kind totem
#

Not just because of the masks but because they related to Arthur

weary path
#

arthur was ment to be THE joker

#

also it sorta goes against who the joker is if he got inspired by arthur

kind totem
#

But he was just called joker not The Joker

#

Like with the name of the movie

weary path
#

since joker getting his identity from some random guy is stupid

kind totem
#

Maybe the whole point is that anyone can become the Joker after one bad day. That’s what he was trying to prove in the Killing Joke

weary path
#

not literally become him

#

it goes against the character if hes inspired by someone else

kind totem
#

But in this universe the joker is more of a symbol

weary path
#

honestly yk what

kind totem
#

Because if Harvey Dent and Bruce Wayne can exist in this universe there could be a chance that Jack Napier and Harleen Quinzel can exist too

weary path
#

the idea of joker not being one guy but a literal force could go hard

#

just wish the movie was more satisfying in the third half

#

since he just gets treated like shit w nobody that treated him like shit really getting justice done to them

weary path
kind totem
#

Bruce Wayne got a proper origin with his parents’ getting shot so the real Joker that we know of can get his origin of falling into chemicals

weary path
#

dude

#

the joker dosent copy other people

#

hes the main star

#

his own thing

#

if hes just some super villain inspired by some random guy in the 80s that killed a bunch of people itd go against who he is

#

like arthur dying and being replaced fundamentally fucks up who joker is

kind totem
#

I doubt the acid Joker would be inspired by other jokers. He would just go insane because of the chemicals

weary path
#

the he wouldnt really be joker

kind totem
low junco
#

Still kinda love this movie tho

toxic rivet
#

I love it deeply

high fable
fallow epoch
broken cosmos
#

I don't like the ending, but I get it

high fable
#

The general pitch of a mentally ill guy starting a movement too big for him, society trynna make some something he isnt and tragically dies to it- I can see being a decent standalone movie, but its not something that warrants a 200million budget

#

And the movie was marketed as something entirely different

#

Its like if you went to see "IT" and got an ok totally different film like "Lala Land"

broken cosmos
#

I take it as an elseworlds truly

#

So it doesn't irritate me as much

#

I thought the musicals in prison and the courtroom was brilliant

high fable
#

I went back to see the first one, I didnt really think it was kino by any means when I first saw it but the way it was directed and the general pacing and strength of its individual scenes were so much more engaging and strong

#

Than its sequel

high fable
#

The idea of an r rated joker film being a musical struck me as really daring and unique, but the musical scenes themselves were poor

#

Particularly cause the director didnt seem to know how to even do a musical

#

They were like ad breaks in a youtube video, wherein they just appeared randomly and didnt add to the plot- in musicals theyre usually like montages or important scenes that are directed with music and set pieces

#

Its when the plot really evolves and moves, when important things happen

#

Like action sequences in action movies

#

Whereas here they were all in his head, the sets were non existent, and meant nothing

broken cosmos
#

See I felt the first one had overly stretched scenes, pacing was one of the issues I had which I didn't here, cause I got how they were pacing like a musical genre with the narration of jokers fantasies. And I thought that was unique.

high fable
#

If he really was murdering people in real space

#

And just had a bombastic music thing going on in his head

#

While he was carrying out Joker stuff, makes sense

#

Singing while youre murdering sounds like a Joker thing

broken cosmos
#

Right

high fable
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The courtroom too, when he fired his lawyer

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And the following Gary scene was really strong

broken cosmos
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I really like a lot of the concepts

high fable
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It felt like things were really winding up, but then it stopped abruptly

broken cosmos
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Yeah

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Meaning directing wise, he never really built up to the || rape scene/ joker death || and it just happened randomly in the middle of a "The Joker vs. Justice System" build up

broken cosmos
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I never really liked the idea of lady gaga as Harley, I still don't. But as an elseoworlds story I get it

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Gaga has a really strong history of like

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Edgy costumes, musical numbers, lyrics

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And had a really strong counter culture impact

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Ala Marylin Manson

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Like our time's Freddie Mercury

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So I could see why Philips casted her as Harley, like I could see where it could be going

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But same as the movie they just didnt utilize her in a meaningful way

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There was literally only one scene where they tapped into the Gaga vibe:
Where she smears blood on her face, in a way that hybrdized eroticism and cannibalism, just HR Gieger kinda vibe

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But that was literally just it

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The singing was intentionally made poor anyway, so idk why he felt the need to cast a professional singer

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If she wasnt gonna actually sing

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Idk it was a movie for Tim Burton, was the vibe I got

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If you wanted to make it edgy, dark and a musical

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A live action r rated Tim Burton film where the director can meld music and a story whilst still retaining a dark nihilistic undertone

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Die With A Smile really fits the film’s aesthetic

broken cosmos
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They could have done more with her in terms of the image. Like the one in a concept art I once saw.

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That’s dope actually

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# low junco Yes

Some are born blind, others deaf. But you were born without taste.

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Its ok Rubes, im here for you

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joker isnt a copycat of someone, hes his own guy

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like bruh aint no way the guy whos hell bent on being the center of attention at all times would copy someone elses schtick

broken cosmos
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I take it as a character study from one perspective

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what i dont like is how they basically just undo all of arthurs character development in this movie

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like bro goes from finding himself in the first movie to just being a victim again

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I get it, he didn't get the standout moment a typical comic joker is known for and I think we'll get that in Matt Reeves or James guns universe. How I see it is, Todd took a risk by making the joker personality a separate entity form the human in habiting it? In a way making joker immortal, while keeping the mortality of Arthur. It's diffferent, n9t my favourite but I see the perspective.

high fable
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The “Real Joker” dresses up as a clown cause he saw someone else do it and thought it was neat đŸ€Ą

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honestly

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i hope there isnt one real joker for the toddverse

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just have it be multiple jokers running around, like a literal force of nature

high fable
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Woulda worked if they stuck with Harley being the one offing Joker

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Instead of it being literally a cosplay larp thing

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Joker, then Harley, next is ? But they’re all the maniacal clowns

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But nah literally same ass name n everything lol

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Cosplayers

weary path
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honestly the idea of the "joker" just being a faceless force that cant be punched out works perfectly

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if only he wasnt stabbed to death by bootleg health ledger

broken cosmos
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Yeah the execution I agree with

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yk what

broken cosmos
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Its not the best way

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even tho i hate the movie ill change my mind on the idea

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also i love that we have 2 versions of joker rn that basically do the same thing but differently

broken cosmos
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2 versions?

weary path
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phoenix joker inspired a movement that outgrew him
keoghan joker is stuck in arkham but is helping out other villains w their plans and stuff

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barry keoghans joker

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i hope he never escapes arkham ngl

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just the idea of joker fucking w gotham while locked up is sick

broken cosmos
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Nah I think kheogans version is gonna be something else

weary path
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id prefer if he was just batmans hannibal lecter

broken cosmos
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But I don't think we'll see that for quite a while

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but also helped inspire other villains by giving them ideas and manipulating them

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Keoghon Joker’s cut scene was really cool

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He was taunting Batman by saying tldr :”the funniest part is you believe the people riddler is killing deserves it”

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And that Batman deep down wants to murder the bad guys

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And feels as though that would be the right thing

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But for some reason abstains

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i loved keoghans joker icl

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Real cool n dark, and not some good shit

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like the designs im a bit split on

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love everything but the hair

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also the laughs great, sounds literally like a hyena

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the voice could use some work

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I’d rather see non-Joker baddies

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Keoghan is doing the same vocal tics and creepy ghoul stuff we’ve gotten twice already

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Give us Clayface

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yea same

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i do hope we see him tho

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like for a small scene or sum if batman comes to arkham

low junco
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Sure

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But I don’t expect it

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Keoghan has a bit of a rep for being difficult and his scene was cut the first time so

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Who knows

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wait

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fr?

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i always assumed keoghan was chill on set

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also i think they cut the scene cuz it would overshadow riddler

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# low junco Which could mean anything

He released the cut scene, and if you watch it, you'll realise that essentially joker solves the whole case in that. So plot wise it didn't work for the Batman story we got, Kheogan was pretty good in it.

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Yeah I’ve seen it dw

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Keoghan is fine in it

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It’s a Ledger impression

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We’ve seen it all before

broken cosmos
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So your info is inaccurate

low junco
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What info lol

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Batman fans get so precious

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Chill girl it’s movies

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