📺The Penguin

[agile crow]

Yeah

[lone wagon]

in the last episode, their dance

its not beneath him to kill her. i wonder if hell ever find out she told gigante his whereabouts

[agile crow]

I think Eve is based on this character from Tom King’s Penguin solo series.

[limpid tendon]

Will there be a penguin season two or is it over

[agile crow]

He will for sure.

Unless he wants her to keep playing Mrs Cobb’s role

[agile crow]

Tbh I hope they don’t milk it more.

[lone wagon]

seems like a fair comparison! tho it seems shes enjoying the crazy aspect of it in this panel at least lmao

[agile crow]

I wouldn’t be surprised if this was another comic the showrunner was inspired from.

[lone wagon]

theres always a sequel if youre profitable enough

[agile crow]

King retconned Penguin’s origins again as a rags to riches story, except Batman kinda played a role in his rise.

[narrow prairie]

At the end of penguin he shows his mom the city is that symbolic or what

The city that's filled with evil she's staring into

I think his mom's gonna be a character in batman

[lone wagon]

if anything thats a window into Oz Cobbs mind- out there in rotting gotham.

and the room is the actual world he builds for himself. which is tacky. cold. no comfort. a shell of a person peering out there and not even experiencing it

[agile crow]

Could see Cristin Milioti return, but idk about Deirdre O’Connell.

I think her arc is done

She’s in a vegetative state and nothing could be done.

[lone wagon]

if she gets out that bed, it might not be to walk. at that state theres only really decay if she cant snap out of it

[trail elk]

Well they said it was a stroke

So that part of the brain is just dead

But yeah some Mr Freeze ass magic could wake her up

[lone wagon]

yikes. well Penguin still has hope so...

and hes a good son who cares about his mother so much. hell get her the best care and keep her in a hospital so there doctors...ohhhhh

"joker blows up hospitals" he'll say

[trail elk]

Fucking Batman and his fucking utility belt again lmao "I got JUST the thing"

[agile crow]

Y’all think Oz will figure out Batman’s identity?

[lone wagon]

imo no. like you said, hes not smart and if Selina Kyle cant even figure it out or the Riddler? idk...plot could call for it tho

[trail elk]

If Oz finds out, Batman's gonna make him be with his mom like he always wanted

[lone wagon]

how will Talia figure it out tho is my question. i hope they bring her in next movie

[trail elk]

I mean Talia always knew, since she was with the league

[lone wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-penguin-whoa-whoa-whoa-whoa-take-it-easy-sweetheart-relax-gif-25499020

[trail elk]

Ras, Talia, Alfred, Lucius Fox and uh Robin n shit

They always knew Bruce was Batman

[lone wagon]

oh okay i didnt know her dad told her all that

https://tenor.com/view/the-batman-the-penguin-i-wanna-see-the-penguin-i-want-to-see-the-penguin-gif-14771642703704929002

[summer cypress]

for sure. he’ll probably end up winning it too

[summer cypress]

the penguin would be categorized as a limited series and i don’t think the shows that have came out or soon to come out will compete with The Penguin and Farrell’s performance

unless mark ruffalo knocks it out the park in “Task”

that’s supposed to come out on hbo sometime next year

[agile crow]

I didn’t say he’s not smart. He is, but not some genius

[agile crow]

Mark Ruffalo lol

Never been impressed with any of his performances. Just a passable actor at best.

I doubt he’ll be better than Farrell.

[agile crow]

Wait wut

[summer cypress]

He’s a consistent great actor

[agile crow]

He’s far from great

Okay at best

[summer cypress]

Agree to disagree

[agile crow]

Farrell on the other hand is one of the best character actors of his generation.

In fact, Farrell could’ve been a huge Hollywood star if he focused more on big blockbusters like he did earlier.

[summer cypress]

Show he’s starring in made by the same guy who made Mare of Easttown so I got high expectations

[agile crow]

Instead did more interesting artistic movies. His performances in In Bruges and Banshees are phenomenal.

[summer cypress]

lmao why you acting like I said Farrell is a shit actor

I know he’s great especially in those two movies you mentioned. All I’m saying is The Penguin will more than likely sweep Limited Drama Series category at the Emmy’s with “Task” probably being its only competition

The Lobster, Minority Report, Killing of the Sacred Deer, Seven Psychopaths

[agile crow]

There’s also a film called Tigerland. I think it’s his most underrated performance.

[summer cypress]

he’s been a part of relatively popular movies

[agile crow]

Forgot Oz also had Catwoman’s friend killed.

https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a62871188/the-penguin-batman-absence-explained-matt-reeves/

[halcyon ember]

Oswald...

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

They foreshadowed it... but they missled us too...

Oswald has to be the worst person I've ever cheered on and it's genius from the filmmakers but boy do I feel so cheated...

I mean, that's the point... Oswald lies... puts on a facade so you follow him and cheer for him...

and then everything ends in misery...

slow clap to you mr reeves... slow clap... 👏

And at first I was against the Oswald incest theories but holy shit... that was wild...

[agile crow]

Same. We all expected Oz to be more like Tony Soprano and Walter White, except he turned out to be truly evil.

[dark juniper]

I mean

Tony Soprano and Walter White are also truly evil

[agile crow]

They aren’t

[dark juniper]

Lol

What Walt did to Skyler and Jesse is as bad, made worse for the fact that it’s a less fantastical world

[agile crow]

Tony and Walter had redeeming qualities

[dark juniper]

Hardly

[agile crow]

They’re definitely better than Oz

[dark juniper]

The great trick of those shows is how they fool you into investing in reprehensible men

[twin pivot]

Hilarious that some people thought The Penguin was a complicated guy when he's just evil

[dark juniper]

Dude you’re just on a high cos the show you like just ended

But chillax

Come back to this in a month or two

[agile crow]

Neither Tony and Walter are anywhere as sadistic or a backstabber like Oz

[dark juniper]

Walter White sold his version of Vic into slavery to a pack of literal Nazis and felt zero guilt about it

[agile crow]

They have done bad things, but nevertheless have some good in them.

[twin pivot]

Question though is Did Oz plan to kill Vic from the start when he felt that Vic was not needed or did his mother being in a vegetative state brought about it esp so soon after he takes power

[dark juniper]

Walter White ||raped his wife and gaslit her into accepting it||

[agile crow]

He did feel guilt and later ended up saving him

[dark juniper]

No he didn’t

Rewatch the finale

[agile crow]

He did

I did

[dark juniper]

Just there?

That was fast

[agile crow]

He also wasn’t in a right mind when he gave up Jesse. Dude was grieving over Hank.

[dark juniper]

Walt went to the Nazi compound to kill them, but they took his keys and he needed a distraction, so he demanded they bring him Jesse

If they hadn’t taken his keys

He was gonna shoot the place up

Rewatch the scene right now

I’m not wrong

[agile crow]

The very fact Walter was absolutely traumatised by Hank’s death just proves he was any day better than Oz.

He also cared about his family

[dark juniper]

Girl you have recency bias

[dark juniper]

Oz cares about his Ma

[agile crow]

Whereas Oz thinks family is a weakness

[agile crow]

He doesn’t

[dark juniper]

He doesn’t?

[agile crow]

That was the entire point of the scene with Sofia

[dark juniper]

Don it’s ok to like two shows

You don’t have to prove one is more evil then the other

They’re made up guys

You’re just twisting things now, it’s coming across silly

[agile crow]

Oz doesn’t feel any remorse over his actions. Tony and Walt does feel some remorse.

[dark juniper]

Ok so he’s a less interesting character

[agile crow]

Oz was born evil, the other two just ended up being bad due to circumstances

[dark juniper]

That’s so dark and cool

Does he listen to My Chemical Romance too?

Can I get it on a t-shirt?

[agile crow]

He’s like Damien Thorn with no supernatural abilities. Basically a demon like his mom described.

[dark juniper]

That’s metal, man

Sounds like a really neat three-dimensional character

I prefer the version of Oz from the TV Show, a selfish mommy’s boy whose constant need for validation mixed with a range of “luck of the draw” disabilities have left him incapable of understanding any relationship that doesn’t have operational levers

He thinks anyone he can’t control will leave him

So he pushes first

He sends Sofia to Arkham and he kills Vic not out of “evil”, but because it’s the only way he can maintain control

[agile crow]

God knows. I do think he liked him, but at the same time found him disposable because business comes first.

[dark juniper]

Nah it’s not this

He liked Vic while he could control and mentor him, but by the end Vic had seen so much that they were closer to equals

And Oz hates that vulnerability

[agile crow]

I think there are various factors. One was jealousy

[dark juniper]

If he can’t control Vic, he can’t trust him

He’s insane

[twin pivot]

Or as he said Vic was a weakness which could be exploited like his mother was and he didn't wanna take any chances..

[dark juniper]

But in a very small-minded way

[agile crow]

Did he believe Victor would overthrow him?

[dark juniper]

No

[twin pivot]

A lot of times Oz acts impulsively without thinking straight like when he killed Alberto but killing Vic was totally planned..

If only Vic had gone with his girl friend to California

[dark juniper]

He hates equal-sum relationships. If he doesn’t have power over someone, then he can’t ensure they won’t turn their back or even betray him.

Vic knew him too well

[agile crow]

That’s another factor which was explicitly stated by him.

[dark juniper]

They were no longer master/apprentice

So his insecurities kicked in

[dark juniper]

In drama, things that are explicitly stated tend not to be the truth innit

[twin pivot]

I don't think Vic and Oz had a equal relationship, I think Oz genuinely liked Vic for a time and at the end he figured that Vic was too much of a liability for him

[dark juniper]

They didn’t, but he’s nuts

And he saw Vic understanding him emotionally as too much exposure

[twin pivot]

Oz is a psychopath

[agile crow]

Idk. Got this feeling, he kinda liked him, but like Ruby said, he’s a megalomaniac who wants control.

[dark juniper]

Oz isn’t evil, he’s just very insecure and unwell

[dark juniper]

*needs

[agile crow]

Victor was also learning his trade quickly

[dark juniper]

It’s a psychological condition, not just greed

[twin pivot]

BTW.. at first I thought the end was a hallucination but Oz I guess forced Eve to perform that fantasy for him.. Eve dressing like his mom

[dark juniper]

He needs control cos even his Ma would leave him if he wasn’t powerful

And he’s lonely

[agile crow]

Oz is definitely evil lol

[dark juniper]

Insane is different to evil

[agile crow]

He seems sane

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/sigma-detected-respect-sigma-respect-patrick-bateman-american-psyco-gif-17523786110322592071

[dark juniper]

He’s clearly not

A sane person doesn’t kill their apprentice for seeing them as human lol

[errant vault]

Oi woddup

[agile crow]

Oz doesn’t seem to be insane like Riddler. He’s just evil with sociopathic traits.

[dark juniper]

Just to be clear, insanity in real life usually isn’t ’the Joker’ lmao

[twin pivot]

People can just be evil, like Oz.. they rationalise and justify every horrible stuff they do

[dark juniper]

Real insanity is about compulsions and paranoia

[errant vault]

I mean some people can just blend in better than others

[dark juniper]

Oz truly believes anyone he cannot control will betray him, to an unwavering degree that can only be described as mental illness

[errant vault]

I love the ending cuz its basically oz just lying to himself

Hes keeping his mom against her will and is telling himself shes happy and proud

Hell hes forcing eve to be his mom and tell him that francis is proud of him

[dark juniper]

It’s the only way he can feel secure

[agile crow]

Yeah he’s fucked up. His mom also teared up.

[dark juniper]

Hostaged love

[agile crow]

Which is why I say he doesn’t exactly love his mom. She’s like a possession to him

[errant vault]

Francis deciding to keep oz alive was basically her making a deal w the devil

[dark juniper]

He does love her

[errant vault]

And her dream came true in the worst way possible

[dark juniper]

He’s just insane

Lol

[agile crow]

Francis told Oz specifically to euthanise her and he agreed too

[dark juniper]

He doesn’t understand non-transactional love

[agile crow]

Then now the lady is suffering even more in a vegetative state.

[errant vault]

I think oz did it out of spite

I think deep down he has some anger for what his mom said but he wont allow himself to admit that francis dosent love him

[trail elk]

He wanted to fuck his mom, he's def just keeping her there for shits n giggles

[agile crow]

I do think so in a way because she hates him.

[errant vault]

This whole show is basically ozs epic quest to get on batmans shit list

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-he-just-like-he-just-like-me-fr-meme-gif-573734217303447410

[errant vault]

Yk imagine sofia just zoned out in her cell

While eddie and joker are just chillin and talking

[trail elk]

Whose eddit

[errant vault]

Riddler

Edward nashton

[trail elk]

Riddler HAS A NAME? 🤯

[errant vault]

Yea

[trail elk]

Cap

[errant vault]

He didnt fall into a vat of riddles and become the riddler

I wonder if rush might have pulled some strings to get sofia into her less secure cell

Or if thats just how the cells are organised by gender

[trail elk]

"He didnt fall into a vat of penguins and become the penguin"

Meanwhile Tim Burton:

[errant vault]

I loved the nods they made to devito penguin

From having his base be underground and his mom kept at the zoo

[trail elk]

"Subtle nod"
https://64.media.tumblr.com/bf4e914eca9f722bbb14282789d1740b/tumblr_ptisnw0bFv1ullskc_500.gifv

"Say why do they call him the peng- nvm"

[errant vault]

Smh i love this show man

THEY COOKED SO HARDDD

[trail elk]

Yeah I like how it wasnt just fan service

But stood on its own as a good show

HBO: "WE'RE SO BACK 🗣️ "

[errant vault]

They got lanterns coming out in the future

Plus other batman shows

[trail elk]

hbo?

[errant vault]

Yea

[trail elk]

idk ngl im gonna lower my expections for that

cause lanterns is like

heavy cgi

unless you go full HotD levels of budget it aint gonna pull off i feel like

[errant vault]

I think itll be darker than your average superhero show

OR not

Apparently their putting it straight on hbo

So it probs has some money to play with

[trail elk]

Im cool if they dont do a S2, if next series is another mini series of like: Harvey, Jason Todd, or some shit

Id fuck with that

Id fuck hard

[errant vault]

Imagine a scarecrow show

With eddie redmayne

[trail elk]

guess we'll see who shows up in Batman 2

gonna have to be a spin off of a side character

[errant vault]

I saw him in day of the jackal yestetday and bro can pull off that calm menace

https://tenor.com/view/walking-newt-scamander-fantastic-beasts-the-secrets-of-dumbledore-im-coming-on-the-way-gif-25039797

[dark juniper]

Doz Caesar innit

[trail elk]

So uh, still think Vic's gonna be Zsaaz? 🗿 @errant vault

[errant vault]

I already told u dude

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/wat-gif-5001440307614895833

[agile crow]

Would’ve looked dope in black

[trail elk]

kinda racist of you man

[errant vault]

Joker better steal it

[agile crow]

Oh no

Cast someone better

[errant vault]

Don slander makes more sense day by day

[agile crow]

Bring back Cillian Murphy as Scarecrow💀

[errant vault]

Bruh

[trail elk]

i remember losing faith in Jared Leto's Joker when I saw "the joker mobile" in the trailer

[errant vault]

Don go see him in day of the jackal

Bros fr cooking

[agile crow]

Not interested

[errant vault]

He can switch between being an emotional wreck to stone faced menace so well

[agile crow]

Haven’t liked his movie performances

[errant vault]

Well then dont say bro isnt good for scarecrow if you arent gonna see the role i think makes him a good scarecrow

[trail elk]

hasnt seen him on screen
accosts his acting skills anyway
https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[errant vault]

"Sees one performance of him playing a goofy wizard"

-"yo bro sucks as scarecrow"

[agile crow]

I said I didn’t like his movie performances. Read again.

[agile crow]

You watched one TV series of him and he’s a great actor? Lol

[trail elk]

Reading is for nerds

[errant vault]

I think hed be a good fit for scarecrow w the performance he gave in the show, yes

[agile crow]

Have you watched the Theory of Everything? Regarded by many as his best performance, but didn’t really care for it.

[agile crow]

Why exactly is he a fit

[errant vault]

He just has this calm but menacing presence to him

And can go from normal emotional person to stone cold in the blink of an eye

[dark juniper]

You watched one shit Harry Potter movie?

Colin Farrell is also shit in that movie

Cos it's a shit movie

But he turned out ok!

[agile crow]

I already said I’ve watched other performances

I just don’t rate him. Some find him to be a great, but IMO nothing special.

[dark juniper]

He's better in Les Miserables, The Danish Girl, Trial of the Chicago Seven and Cabaret

Have you seen those?

[agile crow]

I have and he’s meh

[dark juniper]

You've seen all of them?

[errant vault]

I mean im basing my opinion on him playing an assassin in a tv show, idk how him playing a completely different role well would make me think guys not good for the role

[agile crow]

I think Strong and Baron Cohen were in fact far better

[errant vault]

What i dont get is don admitting he hasnt seen the day of the jackal when that is the performance that makes me think hed make a good scarecrow

[dark juniper]

Have you seen Les Miserables, The Danish Girl and Cabaret?

[agile crow]

He’s an average actor. That would somehow change if I watched a silly TV show?

[agile crow]

I said I have lol

[errant vault]

Theres this one scene in the show where hes fucking w a guy mentally

[dark juniper]

When did you see Cabaret?

[errant vault]

And just enjoying watching him panic as hes about to kill him

That made me think hed be a good scarecrow

[agile crow]

I said I have watched Trial, Les Miserables and the Danish Girl

[dark juniper]

No you just said you watched all of them lol

Then realised you'd been caught out

[agile crow]

Not really

[dark juniper]

Really

[errant vault]

Yes

It would

[dark juniper]

Cabaret is a live Broadway show for anyone who doesn't know

[agile crow]

Did I say I watched Cabaret?

[dark juniper]

Ye

I just screenshotted it there

[agile crow]

No I didn’t

[dark juniper]

What

[dark juniper]

.

[errant vault]

What redmayne movies has don seen

[dark juniper]

Basically you're lying about at least one of them, so we can't trust you on any of them

[agile crow]

Meant to say I have watched Les Miserables, the Danish Girl and Trial

[dark juniper]

Did you

[agile crow]

Yes

[dark juniper]

That's convenient

Why did you say you'd seen Cabaret on Broadway then?

[agile crow]

The issue is you’re being obtuse

[dark juniper]

The issue is that you literally said you'd seen Cabaret, because you thought it was a movie and easier to lie about

[dark juniper]

.

[agile crow]

I didn’t say I have watched Cabaret though

[dark juniper]

You did

This is madness

[agile crow]

I didn’t lol

You’re just tripping

[dark juniper]

Girl you literally said it

Moments ago

[agile crow]

And you also seem mad I didn’t like his performances

[dark juniper]

I'm not mad, I just don't like liars

[agile crow]

You’re literally making up shit that I pretended to watch Cabaret, dumbass

[dark juniper]

This is the weirdest gaslighting ever

Girl it's a text-based forum

You can't deny having typed it

[dark juniper]

.

[agile crow]

Where did I type I watched Cabaret lol.

[dark juniper]

I just quoted it again there

[errant vault]

Eddie redmayne scarecrow
Rami malek pyg

[agile crow]

Again I already clarified that I only watched the movies you’ve mentioned, not Cabaret.

I was talking about movies

[dark juniper]

Yeah but that was after you said you'd watched it

So

:/

[trail elk]

Sharkpunk, Ruby & Zum dogpiling Donnie circa 2024 (colorized)
https://tenor.com/view/forest-demon-burn-smiling-friends-chant-evil-gif-24474264

[dark juniper]

Don just admit you made a mistake and we can move on

It's funny is all

The longer you insist it didn't happen, the funnier it gets

You literally typed it

[agile crow]

So when I said “I said I have lol”, I meant Les Miserables and the Danish Girl. You’re unnecessarily causing an issue, like you do because you don’t like my opinion.

[dark juniper]

But you said "I said I have lol" to being asked about watching Cabaret

So

[agile crow]

I didn’t

[dark juniper]

No you did actually

[agile crow]

I literally clarified lol

I did, you moron

[dark juniper]

You clarified after being called out on lying

That's not the same

[agile crow]

Not really

[dark juniper]

Well yes

Again, this isn't opinion

[agile crow]

Nope

[dark juniper]

It has been typed, sent and is now in the record

You can't debate whether or not it happened

[agile crow]

The issue is you think my answer also included Cabaret, but I was referring to the other two.

[agile crow]

And?

[dark juniper]

The issue might be that you don't understand how questions work?

"Your honour I was only answering a bit of the question"

[agile crow]

The issue is you’re a moron

Why don’t you fuck off

[dark juniper]

The issue is that you lied about seeing a hedonistic underground kink musical to get points on the Internet

[trail elk]

Release your inner wolf

https://tenor.com/view/bangchan-alpha-bangchan-wolf-kpop-stray-kids-skz-gif-7345541011225702702

[dark juniper]

Which imo is really funny

Dudes is it gay to lie about seeing Cabaret on a Batman forum

[agile crow]

I never said I have lol. Don’t know even know what it is

[dark juniper]

If you don't know what it is, you probably shouldn't have said you saw it

Me personally, I wouldn't have done that

[agile crow]

I never said I saw Cabaret again lol

[dark juniper]

Except you actually did

So

[agile crow]

I didn’t, but go on

[dark juniper]

My dear at this point it'd probably be easier if you just admit you saw Cabaret

And that you think musical theatre is the purest form of art

[agile crow]

I have no idea what it is and I dislike musicals

[dark juniper]

So why did you see it?

[agile crow]

Just talking about his movie performances

[agile crow]

You can keep trolling, don’t care

[dark juniper]

I'm only working off the facts of the case girlypop

Eddie Redmayne would be a terrible Scarecrow because he misses the high C every other night

[trail elk]

Most coherent & evidence based Donnie argument

[agile crow]

Who would you want as Scarecrow? Can’t think of any actor to play the role tbh.

[marsh night]

https://x.com/kurzedzuko/status/1856022623139819718?s=46

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[dark juniper]

Rachel Zegler

[trail elk]

Eddie Redmayne

[agile crow]

Serious or trolling

[dark juniper]

As serious as your repressed love for Cabaret

Nah but fr I’d 100% cast a woman as Scarecrow

I’ll tell you why and everything

[agile crow]

Cast Cristin Milioti

[dark juniper]

Batman is such a Freudian mess of a character, sexually stilted and plausibly a virgin. It’s telling that Catwoman tends to get under his skin more than the actual psychopaths he fights.

A good Scarecrow villain needs to really break Batman down, bring out all the psychological damage buried in there

I think a woman would be more of a match in that sense

Plus it’s something different

Generic mad scientists obsessed with fear are boring

[agile crow]

Ruby Sunday should play Scarecrow.

[trail elk]

Fem Scarecrow could work but will bomb at the box office cause "muh gender bent character"

[dark juniper]

I guarantee you 99% don’t care

Don is the 1%

And even his love for musical theatre would persevere

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/bernie-sanders-sideeye-side-eye-gif-5168772

[agile crow]

I wouldn’t mind if she’s hot like Milioti.

[trail elk]

LMAO

[agile crow]

But Sofia could lowkey become Scarecrow

I ain’t kidding

[dark juniper]

He’s my favourite

Y’all need to up your game

Donnie is operating on another level

[marsh night]

Sofia is already an established character from the comics so I doubt she’d ever become scarecrow

[trail elk]

Ascended plain of existence

[marsh night]

Kate McKinnon scarecrow petition!

[agile crow]

I’m kidding. Rush being Scarecrow makes more sense than Sofia lol.

[dark juniper]

Is this Rush in the room with us now?

[agile crow]

It’s you

[dark juniper]

Whoa!

[marsh night]

Rush? The boy toy?

Gross

[agile crow]

Will there even be Scarecrow lol

[trail elk]

Rush needs to do something in Batman 2, but not alot- otherwise the mofo was a waste of screentime

[marsh night]

Hugo Strange’s assistant

Or he is just literally a waste of space

[dark juniper]

I will take a love interest position if there’s one going

[trail elk]

Pervy doctor -> mob boss's boy toy
my g, that can NOT be your entire character arc

[marsh night]

Quite the ending compared to Vic’s😭

[trail elk]

even alberto had more presence and plot impact than him, and he straight up died in the first couple minutes

[agile crow]

Funny how Alberto Hangman theory still went on after Carmine being revealed as one💀

[trail elk]

No one thought anyone other than Carmine was the hangman, like ever but ok

Donnie: "Bro hear me out.. but I think, yknow Bruce Wayne? Is the Batman 😱 "

[agile crow]

Reddit

Not kidding. There were some replies like “I don’t think Carmine is the Hangman. It will be revealed that Alberto did it”.

[errant vault]

It makes perfect sense that bruce didnt appear

[trail elk]

Nah idk, dont make too much sense for him not to get involved but it makes sense cause either

1. When Batman shows up he's gonna obliterate everyone and ruin the story
2. If he doesn't, then he's less of a menace/presence if he loses to fucking mobsters

[agile crow]

But it is kinda weird they barely mention him

[dark juniper]

The thing is, which I couldn’t say until the season was over

If you mention him, you lose the power of that final shot

[trail elk]

Yeah I wouldnt mind if they elluded to him here n there, like those generic thugs going "I dont wanna crime at night cause... yknow"

[dark juniper]

Oz has gotten crazy lucky by staying under the radar this long

The final shot is basically “you’re out of luck”

Time to face the music

[trail elk]

"You scared of the cops? lol"
"Nah man... not the cops"

[dark juniper]

I also think it speaks to Batman’s blind spot a little, in that Oz was only ever fighting other criminals

[trail elk]

I like the play of Batman being more like a local legend or monster, not there but his presence is like a cloud over the town

[dark juniper]

Batman wouldn’t see Sofia as a victim, or someone to save

He paints them all with the one brush

[trail elk]

I kinda wish they stuck to that

[errant vault]

I love u ruby

[trail elk]

Freudian mess of a man, vindictive psycho, dresses up as bat to beat up criminals for his own satisfaction/belief n all that

But they jumped the shark and had him his big character moment of "i need to be a hero" at the end of the first movie

Someone made a video explaining how the movie ended twice, the first with Batman n Riddler in custody- which fit the NeoNoir n cerebral vibe of the film well

Where shooting Carmine was the big end

But then added another fourth act, with a giant fight n shit

[dark juniper]

ok

[trail elk]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/period-peridot-gif-23230198

[agile crow]

Who is Ruby

[errant vault]

Yk i hope they dont pull a full 180 in part 2

And he still has some brutal moments but is trying to help people instead of just fucking people up and leaving

[trail elk]

Dawg the "I am vengence" in trailer was so cool, then motherfuckers were calling him Vengence like that was his fucking name like ayo stooooop

[dark juniper]

I’d argue that is part of the point, in that Batman thinks he’s in a cerebral noir, dealing with high-intelligent Zodiac supervillains, but in reality it’s an incel fringe group. He’s living in a Sherlock Holmes fantasy, but really it’s just good ol domestic terrorism

The fourth act is ironically both the most and least fantastical part

[trail elk]

i mean, terrorism n incel groups arent mutually exclusive

most the time theyre the same lol

[dark juniper]

I agree

Batman doesn’t realise he’s dealing with ever

He thinks he’s dealing with a supervillain

But in fact the true villain is mental illness

https://tenor.com/view/mic-drop-benjammins-ben-jammins-benjamins-boom-gif-11651804178093647051

[trail elk]

Yeah sure but I dont want that to be tackled ig idk

More like an underlying theme

Thats never addressed

[agile crow]

Can you cure it?

[errant vault]

I think itd be cool if harvey is the one who changes his view on villains

Like he starts to see a possibility in change in some of them or something

[dark juniper]

Ye you punch it real hard

[errant vault]

Except oz, fuck that blithering fuckwit

Oh and joker but hes cool so eh

[agile crow]

Off topic, but I like Arkham’s take on Two-Face origin. Shame it’s VR

[trail elk]

My dream like idk, script was like:

You got classic grounded badguys like the mob, crooked cops, politicians etc.
But the rot's reached a point where the population basically went off the deep end, so gradually you kept getting weird freaks showing up, Batman, Riddler, Scarecrow etc. vibe is like "What the fuck is happening?"
Birth of a new era, criminals to super villains

[agile crow]

Thank God you aren’t the script writer

[dark juniper]

Don please pitch your Batman movie rn

I beg

It’d make my day

[agile crow]

I don’t know

[trail elk]

Yeah thats what I prefer, Batman's just punching people and we as audience clap, but if you dug deep or thought about it he's not doing anything to help in any meaningful sense, that Batman is also one of them

[dark juniper]

That kinda happens at the end of The Batman

[trail elk]

Cause the motherfucker has a penthouse but dresses as a Bat to go do some ninja bullshit

[dark juniper]

When he’s punching that Vengeance Guy nearly to death

Gordon has to pull him off

[errant vault]

I think itd be cool if riddlers flood was the main event that inspired or created much of gothams worst

[trail elk]

Yeah but I wish they stayed with Batman being a deranged maniac going around harassing criminals and psychos, his self realization felt more like a trilogy finale thing

[agile crow]

Lowkey thought he killed that dude in the trailer when it first released.

[errant vault]

Batman is ironically enough thinking of it as a child would

"If i hurt bad guy then the bad goes away"

[dark juniper]

Killer Croc’s been trying to breach the harbour wall for years

Riddler let him in

[errant vault]

Imagine killer croc chilling under the water near arkham just smirking and saying ty to riddler underwater before brring into gotham to eat people. So wholesome

[agile crow]

Wow very profound.

[trail elk]

Yeah like we got a cast of different psychos each with their own philosophical goal:
Riddler - Make people question and realize (riddle me this) n shit idk
Batman - Punitive Authoritarianism, bad guys we need to beat
Joker does joker shit idfk

Shit like that

Batman just ends up ontop cause he's got money and knows karate

And he also happens to not like murder so he just so happens to fit as a protagonist

[errant vault]

Riddles tryna make people see gotham for what it is
Batmans trying to save gotham
Oz is trying to rule gotham
Joker is just having fun

[trail elk]

Idk internet muh society shit

Nihilism n anarchy idk

[errant vault]

Joker the typa guy to cause a mass break out in arkham and then just dance in the yard outside of arkham

[trail elk]

I also wanna see Batman going around beating cops lol, like as an explaination why the police hate him, cause he's just like the Riddler to them

[dark juniper]

Donnie love you’ve been man-crushing on the Penguin for eight weeks now

“The Penguin is the bestest show evar 5 stars he’s so evil there’s no one as evil in the whole wide world it’s so cool”

Relax, be nice.

[errant vault]

Don the profound thinker coming to enlighten us lower folks

[trail elk]

Trynna press a woman into sexual favors in a traffic stop then Batman shows up n puts them into a coma, the precinct is then all up in arms cause Batfuck hurt Jack and Frankie

[errant vault]

Don ceaser, man of the people

[agile crow]

Can’t be nice to an idiot.

[dark juniper]

You are so funny

You’re like a made up person

[agile crow]

Yes I am Don Draper.

[dark juniper]

You’re the incel that a mediocre writer would write

[trail elk]

Donnie face reveal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNvEj_ZQ59Y

[errant vault]

Shark and don are like joker and batman

[burnt zenith]

Well it's said that he's not considered insane because he's mostly aware of what he's doing.

[errant vault]

Ruby and don are just fuckin enemies

[trail elk]

youre jim gordan cause youre there but dont help

[agile crow]

The irony

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/dab-gif-26049198

[dark juniper]

Imo I’m not an incel

[errant vault]

Im at work rn

Sorry barb

[dark juniper]

Maybe I’m a mediocre writer tho

[agile crow]

Ok?

[dark juniper]

Expand on what you mean by irony

Is this like when you said you saw Cabaret

[errant vault]

Yk this reminds me that eddie redmayne would indeed make a goated ass scarecrow

Oh btw fun fact

Eddie redmayne and robert pattinson used to be roommates

[dark juniper]

Plus Andrew Garfield and Charlie Cox

[errant vault]

Along w some other folks like andrew garfield and charlie cox

E

[dark juniper]

All the skinny English boys

Tom Hiddleston as well iirc

So funny

[errant vault]

Daredevil played ping pong with batman

[trail elk]

Yknow we got a pretty good Battinson and Dafoe Joker dynamic in the lighthouse

Handsome freudian young man being mentally harassed by deranged old guy for 2hrs straight

[errant vault]

Joker would fr fart in batmans presence

[agile crow]

Dafoe should play the DCU Joker.

[dark juniper]

He already played The Joker in Spider-Man

I’d rather fresh takes

[trail elk]

revolving door fr

[errant vault]

Imagine snyder style joker in the dcu

[dark juniper]

No

[trail elk]

We call that Leto

[dark juniper]

Sydney Sweeney should be The Joker

[errant vault]

David howard thornton would make a cool joker

[dark juniper]

Timothée Chalamet is her lil twink Harry Quinn

[agile crow]

Sydney Sweeney should play Harley

[dark juniper]

Why

Pls no one else answer

[trail elk]

i mean joaqin did a good joker until we got that film

[dark juniper]

I wanna know why Don thinks Sweeney would be a good Harley

[errant vault]

Don ceaser should play hush, just so he can shit talk the batmans writers for how bad they are

[dark juniper]

What are her traits for the role?

[errant vault]

"Bruce im basically you come to think of it, but my writing is much better id say"

[trail elk]

I can think of a couple

[agile crow]

To be honest don’t know.

[trail elk]

lol

[dark juniper]

Hmm

[trail elk]

imagine batman directed by donnie, comic accurate batman dodging actual fucking bullets
https://tenor.com/view/matrix-dodge-neo-gif-13288848

[errant vault]

This is the man that said eddie redmayne would be a good scarecrow cuz he didnt see the role proving he would

[agile crow]

Victoria Pedretti is rumoured

[dark juniper]

Rumoured for what

[errant vault]

Btw don r u a scott snyder fan?

[agile crow]

Rumoured to play Harley

[agile crow]

Wouldn’t say I’m a fan, but he’s a good writer.

[dark juniper]

In what

[mossy knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-cat-silly-car-car-stare-10-thousand-yard-stare-10-thousand-yard-gif-14200271775968563996

[agile crow]

DCU

[dark juniper]

The Batman movie that doesn’t even have a writer or a Batman yet?

[errant vault]

Imagine if ruby knows whats going on w dcu batman but is just gaslighting us

[agile crow]

What does she know lol

[errant vault]

EVERYTHING

[agile crow]

Why because of Terrifier?

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/here-it-comes-tornado-meme-gif-23054073

[agile crow]

Damn that swept through your village

[errant vault]

Hes played the joker before in a fan project and some personal videos

Hes a huge joker fan and bros got some potential

[agile crow]

Alright they should cast him. I take Zumunculus’ opinions very seriously.

Terrifier 1 and 2 is fun guilty pleasure though. Need to watch the third one.

[agile crow]

https://fxtwitter.com/szoblud/status/1855817571649356286?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

[errant vault]

Oz makes tony soprano look like a fuckin saint

[idle badge]

Oz's sex life makes tony sopranos look like the fucking virgin mary

[burnt zenith]

I'm surprise a lot of people was confused on why OZ killed Vic.

[next relic]

whenever Oz gets got (killed or imprisoned), It'll be because Vic wasnt there to help him

[next relic]

i dunno, Ive seen Tony do way worse shit. ||Tony choked a blood relative to death||

[errant vault]

||Yea but vic is worse cuz atleast vic was ozs best soldier and most reliable guy||

||Also atleast chris got a whole funeral and shit, vic was just left and had his identity card stolen||

[next relic]

once a person is dead i dont think they care how the body is treated afterwords

the notion that Oz makes Tony look like a saint is laughable to me

[errant vault]

I mean tony is running a glorified crew

Oz is running the whole gotham underworld

Also i dont see tonys ass smiling after burning a woman and her child

[next relic]

running a bigger business doesnt make one more evil imo

Tonys killed women and family. nothing Oz has done can make that saintlike behaviour

[errant vault]

I mean the saint comment was a sopranos reference

Since everyone calls johnny boy a saint

[lone wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/cheers-oswald-cobblepot-victor-aguilar-the-penguin-let's-drink-gif-12013475371324258674

gave that boy all that confidence. scoundrel

[errant vault]

Bruh

Honestly as fucked up as this founds

Oz should have just shot vic in the back of the head

Would have been way more humane and saved vic from realizing his father figure betrayed him

[next relic]

Oz is a sentimental fuck. He needed to explain to Vic why he was killing him in order to feel right about it i guess

[lone wagon]

there is a moment where The Penguin stutters a bit like Vic, while hes talking to him. I wonder if that was just acting or something more is there. Dont wanna go bellyfloppin in puddles

[twin pivot]

I know this show was billed as a limited series but Reeves says they are looking at Season 2 which I think is fantastic.

[agile crow]

There’s context behind that

It was a mercy kill

[agile crow]

Tony killed him due to his reckless use of drugs, despite the fact he repeatedly told him to clean up. Eventually it led to a car accident and you can see Tony notice the baby seat. Christopher never changed and ended up being a liability business wise and to his family. It was more of a mercy kill.https://youtu.be/wl04fL6A368?si=aKMYHvC2udnIhP0f

Oz killed Victor because he felt threatened of how quickly the latter was rising up.

[trail elk]

Nah Oz killed him cause he liked Vic

[agile crow]

It was more than that.

[trail elk]

Its on the director's podcast

Colin n the writers said Oz woulda spared Vic

If Vic was just in it for the money and selfish reasons

[agile crow]

That makes it worse

If that’s the only reason

It’s meant to parallel Tony killing Christopher, but context is different.

[trail elk]

Idk what yall talkin bout Sopranos for

But Oz killed Vic cause he's demented

[lone wagon]

this doesnt mean that Penguin killed Vic only cause hes demented tho

[next relic]

indeed, he killed him because he was getting too close and close relations are a liability

[next relic]

also, ||Tony killed Christopher for basically the same reason Oz killed Vic: liability. Christopher lied to him and was back on the drugs and was a liability to him.||

[trail elk]

No but it's funnier, so im sticking with it

[trail elk]

Yeah, thats about it- Vic was close to Oz, and thatd get in his way

I mean having a capo who has deep personal loyalty aint really a liability, but he def saw it that way

[next relic]

where Vic fucked up was by saying Oz was family. i feel like thats the word that sealed his fate

[lone wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/sofia-falcone-the-penguin-cristin-milioti-wink-winking-gif-3842133196536542049

[lone wagon]

but thats kind of what Penguin was pitching to him the whole time...that they were in it together. i think he even said he couldnt have done it without him

maybe saying it out loud...making it real gave Penguin a new view?

[next relic]

i think he meant that more in it together like loyal business associates. once the word family was tossed out there and Oz agreed, he just acted on impulse and got rid of his liability

[lone wagon]

lol thats so grim.

"oh were family? let me show you what i did to my brothers"

[agile crow]

No context matters. Oz killed Victor because he liked him and thought he’s a weakness. Tony tolerated Christopher’s behaviour for a long time until the car accident because his drug addiction has only gotten worse. Also, Tony felt incredibly guilty what he did.

[trail elk]

You're so wise Donnie
https://tenor.com/view/wise-gif-5472200

[agile crow]

Ye madarchod nahin seekhega.

[lone wagon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TRK90KSkFM

if anyone has a bit more hankering for that gotham feel. i think this show brings that fairly well. Also first episode is a wildly different take on The Penguin!

[cedar prairie]

Why was oz's mother old in the new flash back scene with younger oz

[trail elk]

Cause it wasnt a flashback

It was her, as an old woman

Reliving that moment

Thats why you saw Rush and Sofia in there with her

[twin pivot]

Ya

[marsh night]

Would you guys like a season 2?

[errant vault]

i cant express how satisfying this scene is now

bats should have slammed him into more glass icl

[twin pivot]

https://youtu.be/lvf4awkT1KE?si=xX_lxSRFABE6cWuM

[twin pivot]

Absolutely esp if the showrunner and other people involved in Season 1 stay on

[agile crow]

https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1857128771062546552

DiscussingFilm (@DiscussingFilm) on X

Matt Reeves says Bruce Wayne will be finding it “very hard to be Batman” for ‘THE BATMAN 2’

“Batman’s out there trying to grapple with the aftermath of everything that happened, which to some degree he blames himself for”

(Source: https://t.co/KGZvtrWTpW)

Twitter · Nov 14, 2024, 6:29 PM

[acoustic knoll]

don't worry Bruce i blame batman too

[agile crow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/TheBatmanFilm/s/0pRsMTZU7D

[safe spruce]

nah, it's run it's course. another villian series please

[cedar prairie]

I'm even open to it being a limited series and penguin playing major role in other spinoff series. It depends on how he changes after Batman 2.

[versed wolf]

Binge watched this show and it was so entertaining. I really enjoyed this show a lot. I loved Sophia Falcone in it 😁

[twin pivot]

She was so good

[twin pivot]

https://x.com/CultureCrave/status/1859079760196121068?t=incVlfXE32opNJpMh3Wszw&s=19

Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) on X

Colin Farrell talking with his real voice as #ThePenguin feels illegal 😭

Twitter · Nov 20, 2024, 3:42 AM

[errant vault]

Oz looks like hes in the middld of saying mmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[jolly badge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/OHc78eGnYTU?si=R0SScbXOShm351QU

Im glad sofia falcone is rotting in arkham again where she belongs

Not all us were born with full bellies

[errant vault]

Im hoping oz gets the 999x combo done on him

[quasi verge]

After he heard what Oz did to Vik:

[errant vault]

I wonder how bruce will feel when he finds out that the random falcone goon he bullied ended up becoming the kingpin of gotham

[quasi verge]

Either way Oz is fucked

[errant vault]

I love how formidable every villain is so far

Riddler brining the city down to its knees
Oz taking over gothams crime
Joker

[trail elk]

joker literally said "wanna be homies? 👉 👈 " anmd thats it

[errant vault]

"Eyo woddup g"

"Lock tf in frfe"

daps up eddie

Joker and riddler fr being more human than oz rn lol

[next relic]

https://www.reddit.com/r/whowouldwin/comments/1h3n32j/art_the_clown_suddenly_appears_in_the_last/

Could OZ beat Art the clown?

[errant vault]

Depends at where he is plot wise

End of series oz w his empire and money? Defo

Early oz gets rekt

[agile crow]

https://youtu.be/1Hr65vspfjE?si=-Vs2UgtL3uNFoazr

[lone wagon]

i wonder if well ever get an Oz in Oz if The Penguin goes to jail. HBO has the rights to do it

[trail elk]

https://www.ign.com/tv/the-batman-the-penguin

ign gave this 5/10

same dudes who gave multiple bombs 8-10/10s

actual clowns

[twin pivot]

That's absolutely a ridiculous rating

[agile holly]

“Review Bombs” maybe it was just a good show

And you happened just not to like it

[trail elk]

I didn’t see em I think the big ones

But they had poor box office performances

[agile holly]

I COMPLETELY MISREAD THIS

IM SO SORRY