📺The Penguin

[dark juniper]

It’s still very much “troubled kid becomes chip on his shoulder manchild baddie”

Which is great fun!

It’s nothing radical tho

[agile crow]

Yeah

But the Penguin is a great show. It’s my favourite show currently ever since BCS and Succession ended.

He knew they wouldn’t able to escape. You could see him smirking when it was raining heavily.

[jolly badge]

Ep 4 my least fav tho

Major

Penguin goated

Victor too

Real poppa

[errant vault]

He showed worry when his mom came up on him tho

I think he was worried when they werent coming back but then forgot abt it as the movie went on

[errant vault]

thinking back on the show

i think it makes perfect sense that batman wouldnt show up

i think hes investigating the current stuff but their happening at times/places where he wouldnt show up

like i think he came to the falcone family house along w the rest of the gcpd when they were called, inspected it and then left

also some of the major stuff like the burning of the maronis and other stuff happened behind closed doors and he was probably at the cave inspecting shit

wait nvm he couldnt have come since it happened in the morning and he was probably asleep

[trail elk]

Maybe he’s decided that Bruce can do more for the city

[errant vault]

so gordon probably gave him the casefiles on it later that night if they met at the bat signal

o

maybe that too

[trail elk]

But goes back to Batman when penguin and co start blowing up bombs in town

Lol

[errant vault]

nah i think hes tryna balance them rn

being batman is like an addiction to him, i dont think hell just drop it to be bruce wayne

hes probably trying to be more social rn tho which is probably keeping him busy from the crime scenes

[errant vault]

yoooooo

i watched a vid breaking down the episode and how its basically a mix between oedipus and the penguin pain and prejudice comic book

[agile crow]

Good https://x.com/culturecrave/status/1854299147576410433?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

Culture Crave 🍿 (@CultureCrave) on X

#ThePenguin finale has a runtime of 1 hour and 8 minutes 📺

Longest episode of the season

Twitter · Nov 6, 2024, 11:05 PM

[jolly badge]

Hell yea

Ima buy salvatore maroni ring for my little finger

[trail elk]

imma go bald and become obese to cosplay Oz

[jolly badge]

Hell yea

https://youtu.be/GFgb6ce9aSU?si=9Wsv4vD40boV_Ylo

Never forget those born with full bellies

[trail elk]

Oz has such a badass villain story

Born with nothing, mocked and crippled. Driven by sheer hate and greed.

[jolly badge]

Literally me

Also I love that kid actor from ep 7

He nailed it

[trail elk]

"Greed & Vengeance" Would go hard for a tattoo

[jolly badge]

I will save this quote on my notes app

[trail elk]

A true smegma moid

[jolly badge]

What is smega moid

[trail elk]

"A born slave, but this slave didn't hope for emancipation, but to hold the lash"

[jolly badge]

Oh okay thank you

[trail elk]

No that was something else

[jolly badge]

I learn something new

[trail elk]

Idfk what that means I just made it up

Lol

[jolly badge]

Oh

[digital haven]

can they stop with the flashbacks, the flashbacks are honestly so boring to sit through 😭

[jolly badge]

At least it weren’t the whole episode

[errant vault]

The penguin and batman

Ait so we have
Vengeance in batman
Justice in riddler
Greed in penguin

[surreal ferry]

How is the Penguin not dead? Also what do you think Sofia's kinks be?

[surreal ferry]

https://deadline.com/2024/11/the-penguin-ratings-penultimate-episode-7-hbo-1236166993/

[surreal ferry]

It's fascinating what a hit this show is, season 2 announcement imminent?

[dark juniper]

Depends if Farrell wants to do it

It’s a huge ask for him

[errant vault]

eh i think if they do make season 2 itll take a while to come out

since part 2s filming is abt to start next year and farrel is returning as oz in that

plus hes been pretty vocal abt the time it takes to get all the prosthetics on

i think we might get some other shows focused on other villains before penguin season 2

[agile crow]

I think it should just be a mini series tbh.

Would be great if we get other spin offs

[glossy lava]

I don’t want there to be a season 2

There’s absolutely no need for it tbh

I also wish Penguin hadn’t been introduced in The Batman because he was WASTED

This would’ve been a much stronger introduction to his character imo

[errant vault]

i think it set him up pretty well tho

[glossy lava]

He didn’t serve a narrative purpose within the movie so it felt like he was there just so they could set up the seties

And he was a caricature in the movie like he had no layers to him beyond what Reeves presented us with

[errant vault]

i mean we saw everything from him in the movie that we see in the show

his denial of his status and desire to be taken seriously
his care for people close to him he was worried about selina working in the 44 below
and his rage when people insult him

also i think it was neat seeing a early batman and oz meeting and not taking each other that seriously w oz just seeing bruce as a guy in a suit and bats seeing oz as a joke

[glossy lava]

That still makes him extremely shallow

His relationship with mom is what sells his care for the people closest to him

But again what narrative purpose did he serve

[errant vault]

he helped batman realize what riddler ment with the url riddle and also without him bruce would have likely not crossed paths w selina

[glossy lava]

I’d also argue that Selina doesn’t have any business being in that movie tbh

Batman could’ve figured that out a different way

[errant vault]

she helped bruce see the world in more than just black and white tho

[glossy lava]

He didn’t need the penguin to solve the rata alada riddle

[glossy lava]

Yeah I’m not sure the amount of screen time devoted to her justifies her existence

That movie would’ve been so much tighter had it only focused on Batman and Riddler

And the PG-13 rating was a complete joke

[errant vault]

i think the movie was great

and idm the catwoman screen time since it helped w both selina and bruces character development

also i dont see how batman would have figured out the rata riddle without penguin since he was basically just going through people he assumed matched the rat with wings description until penguin pointed out the spanish meaning

plus the rat thing helped bruce find the drops site which made him realize how corrupt the city was beyond just the higher ups

and also without penguin we wouldnt have gotten the car chase which was fuckin awesome

[glossy lava]

As written they needed the penguin (and it feels contrived that the screenwriters came up with the rat thing just so they could shoehorn him in) but what I’m arguing is that there’s a tighter and less unfocused version of the film where it’s Batman v Riddler in the style of David Fincher’s Se7en which they obviously took “inspiration” from. Cat woman is such a one note character just like Carmine Falcone and pretty much everyone in that movie except for Bruce Wayne.

[errant vault]

i dont think selina or anyone is really one note

tho granted the batman is literally my fav movie of all time so im super bias towards it

[glossy lava]

Wait ur kidding me lol

Reeves The Batman is ur fav of all time?

[errant vault]

yes

i like it over the dark knight

[glossy lava]

Whoa

Yeah then I get why you have such strong feelings

[errant vault]

yea srry if im bias but i just really love the movie

[glossy lava]

Which is fine of course

You don’t have to apologize 😅

[errant vault]

and am excited to see where it goes

[glossy lava]

Were just having a friendly disagreement

Have you seen Se7en

If not you DEFINITELY should

[errant vault]

ye

its one of my fav movies

dude honestly i hope that if they make a mini series focused on pyg then they should just make him be like john doe

or zsasz

[glossy lava]

Oh I’d pay them to do that

Pyg yeah

That would be so sick

[errant vault]

dude i had this idea for a pyg origin story

like you could just make him a doctor whos dealing w mental illness and just snaps after the death and destruction caused by riddler

and he tries to make people "perfect"

like hes already on the edge w how shitty gotham is and then the sudden reveal of how deep the corruption goes w the riddler exposing people and the hopelessness hes feeling w the sudden influx of people that were injured by the flood just makes him go insane

also i think rami malek would make a great pyg, he just got that judging unstable perfectionist vibe down pat

[glossy lava]

Yeah I’ve always wondered who they’d cast

He would be great I agree

Based on the limited knowledge I have

[errant vault]

dude imagine if the show starts w him having a nightmare caused by his medication on the night of the explosions

he wakes up in the dark and tries to go back to sleep, but hes restless so he gets up and walks around his apartment. Its middle class w books and small statues throughout and as hes about to get out of his bedroom he stops for a sec to slightly adjust a small statue on his shelf

and he goes to the bathroom to wash his face since hes gotta go to work in 2 hours and he thinks why not just a little head start and in the bathroom we see dozens of pill bottles behind his mirror

and he goes into his living room and turns on the light, showing a mess of books and notes on his desk w some patient names on it aswell as he looks at them for a sec before he gets ready to go the kitchen to make some coffee

but he stops and walks back to go tidy up his notes a little before that

and you could have it so that while hes organizing the notes he reads the names and you could get flashes of his patients as they start to become disturbing

like flashes go from him remembering the patients hes treating and they start to slowly become flashes of him performing surgery on said patients and such

and it gets more and more intense as he finally just slams his notes on his kitchen table as he sighs

and you could have a small scene of him just calming down a bit as he gets ready to make coffee until suddenly a slight flash behind him catches his attention

and he turns around as the next shot is a close up of his eye as it widens as we see one of the riddlers explosions reflected in it

title card, Pyg. As it cuts to him in his car frantically getting out to rush into the hospital and help out as more and more people are brought in that were injured from the flood

and thats abt it that i could come up with on the fly

[agile crow]

https://fxtwitter.com/hollywoodhandle/status/1854564024878600591?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

[errant vault]

EY LES GOOOOO

i love barry

[agile crow]

RIP Gotham

[errant vault]

i wonder what the joker series will be about

[dark juniper]

No he wasn’t

[dark juniper]

Yes he did

I love the Internet cos people talk about “narrative purpose” like they know what that means

[dark juniper]

Tbh I’d hate to see movies this way

“Why did you put all these characters into it when Batman could’ve just pushed a button??”

[glossy lava]

Oh boy what narrative purpose did he serve

Other than a contrivance to solve a riddle how did he advance the plot and how/what did his actions reveal about Batman’s character

Call it a purpose in the story if you prefer

The movie had too many antagonistic forces which pulled focus from the Riddler

[dark juniper]

Do you know what a red herring is

It’s a pretty classic one

[dark juniper]

Prejudice - he assumes the rat is the cartoonish mobster, cos he’s young, rash and impulsive

[glossy lava]

Lol is that really prejudice

Penguin is a rat in human form

He’s everything humans think of when they think of rats

[errant vault]

uhmmmmmm

akhtually

penguin is more akin to a cockroach

cuz the guy always fucking survives no matter what

[dark juniper]

Exactly lmao

You’re just like Batman

[glossy lava]

I mean that’s a fact though

Hell backstab anyone if it means winning

Pretty sure hell backstab Vic or mom in the finale cuz he’s a sleazy piece of shit

[dark juniper]

Sure

But the point is that Batman assumes only cliché crooks can be criminals

He’s tunnel-visioned on exacting “vengeance” on thugs

Not recognising wider city issues

[trail elk]

Which is based as fuck

Need me more Batman beating up thugs and doesn't actually change anything lol

[dark juniper]

He’s such a silly lil guy

Doing his lil sulk and punching minimum wage fathers of three into comas

[trail elk]

I like that route more, that if Batman really wanted to change he'd do it as uh idk, the wealthiest and most influential man in Gotham, Bruce

And that Batman is more a venting corridor for his mental illness

[jolly badge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/znlyWDBUHuk?si=MatyDEfAonhSIzFK

My hero ❤️

[jolly badge]

I love the internet for using phrases like “media literacy” unironically lmao

[oak jolt]

do we really need more Joker stuff lol

[marsh night]

Facts, can't stand it when people say "why couldn't he have just done this instead"

[trail elk]

Excited for the finale, hyped to find out which one of our characters is going to become “The Penguin”

[errant vault]

ill straight guin all over the iceberg is oz turns out to be le pingu

[tepid lintel]

Cant wait for the finale

[agile crow]

https://youtu.be/YyBVscirNVI?si=gBXfNRcC3askyJPY

[halcyon ember]

Where the fuck is Batman

[summer cypress]

fuck i knew they'd do it

https://tenor.com/view/batman-logo-staring-in-the-sky-gif-14460527

[glossy lava]

Just finished the finale

I liked it but I didn’t love it

Felt like it jumped around a lot

Wasn’t as focused as I would’ve liked

And I understand why Oz killed Vic

I just don’t think it was set up well enough

And holy shit what a Godfather knock off

The montage of people getting whacked

[idle badge]

I think that confirms The Court of Owls in Batman 2 or 3

With Bella Real and Oz, the only thing more corrupt than what we've already seen is the court

[summer cypress]

Idk I honestly didn't think it was that bad. Oz killing Vic didn’t seem premeditated, was more of an “in the moment” thing whilst reflecting and reminiscing about his mother.

At that moment, he knew being attached to Victor would just leave him vulnerable and weak especially after Victor expressed how he felt about him

[fallow fox]

Poor Vic

[trail elk]

|| He literally had his hooker girlfriend dress up as his mom Ayo no shot ||

[fallow fox]

He somewhat completed his Oedpious complex

[mossy knoll]

Great show

Wonderful performances

[trail elk]

“You’re the devil Oz”

|| 1. Killed his son for no reason 2. Didn’t keep his promise to his mother and kept her as a prisoner in her own body. 3. Sold out Sofia to Arkham, after she escapes sends her back ||

He was a warden of hell, truly a devil

Awesome show

I’m super glad they stuck to their guns and kept Oz unapologetically evil

[solid arrow]

Wow man what a conclusion, I didn’t love the ending tbh but it worked for me and I’m really looking forward to Batman 2 and the future of this Gotham universe. The top hat at the end was a bit much but I guess they had to. I’m glad Sofia will be sticking around for future appearances, Christin Millioti might’ve made an iconic character with her performance and deserves all the acclaim. I did think the killing montage with all the bosses being killed off by their right hand men was a bit outlandish, I just don’t think realistically you’d be able to get every second in command to take out their boss just because your giving them an opportunity to be boss now.

[solid arrow]

Agreed the shows commitment to making sure Oz was always the villain no matter what was done really well done and they knew exactly what to do to take it over. I’m just a little hurt because damn I really wanted Vic to make it man, it was supposed to be him and Oz pulling up together in his new purple whip together in Batman 2 dressed to the nines and Vic controlling his whole operation. I wouldn’t even have cared if Batman packed them both up like lunchables, I just wanted that so bad but it just wasn’t meant to be.

[acoustic knoll]

oh hey theres batman

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-help-me-i-cant-even-please-gif-18850034

She so fine man

[sharp scarab]

eye drops lmao

[glossy lava]

I think it’s more about how Vic saw him at his weakest and knows his vulnerabilities

And Oz wants to be seen as this hardass

[glossy lava]

The cinematography here was fucking epic

Lighting three cigs is so badass

[cedar prairie]

My ★★★★★ review of The Penguin on Letterboxd https://boxd.it/7MJv2b

[sharp scarab]

he knew he'd die in the second season so killed him in his happiest moment

[errant vault]

I mean

Atleast he apologized

Btw that bat signal at the end was all i needed lol

[sharp scarab]

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt19850008/

[solid arrow]

Yeah with a smile on his face while he was doing it and after lol

[swift viper]

wtf a villain spinoff that commits to making the villain fully irreedeemable

[errant vault]

I think man was broken that he had to kill his pseudo son but happy he was now free from anything holding him back

[swift viper]

ive never ever hated a lead character so much by the end of a show

[errant vault]

Sorta like "fucking hell, well atleast nothing can stop me now"

Also i love how the bat signal just pops up like the cities way of saying "ey fuck u oz"

[swift viper]

love how hypocritical he is

he acts like rich people who look down on others are the scum of the earth but like

[errant vault]

Everyone got fucked in the end

[swift viper]

thats gonna be him

[errant vault]

Except the mob henchmem

[swift viper]

yeah i watched the after episode behind the scenes clip for once

they outright say the endgame was for oz to win but not get what he wanted

his mothers praise and joint success with her

[errant vault]

Eve is now forced to act like ozs mom or else oz will kill her

[swift viper]

i assumed hed kill her anyways cause she told sofia his location

[errant vault]

I think this is sorta worse for her

Assuming he dosent let her leave

[errant vault]

Ozs need for his mom damned her to live out her worst nightmare

[swift viper]

yeah tbh i love how oz is portrayed as a coward the whole show

he cares about no one but himself ever

or his mom

[errant vault]

She even begged him to kill her before this happened to her

[swift viper]

yeah

[errant vault]

Bruh why the fuck did reeves cook so hard

[swift viper]

idk

[errant vault]

This shit got me even more hyped for part 2

Ngl this episode was hard to watch

I genuinely said "oh for fucks sake" out loud when oz put his arm around vic

[swift viper]

IT WAS

vics death was the second hardest scene in the show to watch for me

i dont do well with drowning

so him killing his brothers was the worst scene for me

[errant vault]

The symbolism of oz throwing vics card into the water like how his brothers drowned is...

Wow

[swift viper]

wow

[errant vault]

I think its a tie for me

Mostly cuz vics my favorite character in the show

[agile crow]

Just watched episode 8. What a brilliant finale. Francis was right—Oz is a fucking demon.

[errant vault]

Also oz just strangling him and then walking off like hes a nobody after all the shit vic did is fucking wild

[errant vault]

The devils now living in a penthouse in the sky

[solid arrow]

Shoutout to Link btw, the lowkey MVP of this finale for flipping on Zhao, he did what he did for Vic not for Oz. Also he knew Vic was right when he was talking to the bosses but had to check him because it wasn’t the right tone and known of those guys was gonna listen to him so he probably would’ve gotten killed earlier if it wasn’t for Link.

[swift viper]

i loved the sequence of all the underbosses killing the gang leaders

[errant vault]

Yea same

Also even tho i hate them killing vic i gotta respect them for making oz pure and utter evil

[solid arrow]

I thought it was cool but didn’t make total sense to me after I thought about it some more

[agile crow]

We got Stalin over here. Ironically, Stalin was born with a webbed feet, which was a sign of the devil in Russian folklore(Well, Stalin was Georgian, but you get my point). The Penguin was born with a clubfoot and he ended up being an evil POS.

[errant vault]

I love how vics talk w oz was basically what oz told his mom when he was a kid

Which made her not let rex kill him

[agile crow]

This gotta be the most tragic thing in the series. Like why did he even have to kill him?

[errant vault]

To make sure he dosent have anything holding him back

[swift viper]

so nothing could be held over him

like a hostage

[errant vault]

Vics girlfriend will never know he got strangled to death by the guy he stayed in gotham for

[agile crow]

Funny considering Vic saved this dude many times.

[errant vault]

IKR

Like bruh

Vic basically won oz the war

[limpid tendon]

i just finished the episode

no words.

[errant vault]

Saved his ass from the maronis and convinced link to help them

[agile crow]

Also dude stole Victor’s cash. Just shows what type of person Oz is.

[limpid tendon]

its to make it look like a robbery

[errant vault]

He probs did it to make it look like a robbery

[agile crow]

Also, Oedipus complex at display. He went full Norman Bates here.

[swift viper]

posted screencaps of this show in #stills

[limpid tendon]

this scene was so hard to watch lmfao

[swift viper]

i only had issues with the drowning and vics death

[agile crow]

Batman should permanently cripple this gimp.

[limpid tendon]

isnt it gonna be penguin and freeze in batman 2

[errant vault]

Nah

We dont know the villain in part 2

Im predicting either hush or strange

[agile crow]

Oz didn’t fulfil Francis’s wishes and torturing her after what she said.

[agile crow]

No offence, but this Penguin isn’t really main villain material.

[agile crow]

He’s not capable to take down someone like Batman lol

[errant vault]

L take

bruh

[agile crow]

Victor was carrying Oz lol

[errant vault]

the mans running crime in gotham now

[agile crow]

Which won’t last within a week

[errant vault]

fuck dat i think bros still gonna rule even if he gets taken down

[limpid tendon]

for sure he is

[tepid lintel]

Ong

[errant vault]

probs escape and go back to shit

just cuz bats sends them to arkham or blackgate dosent mean they will stay there

[agile crow]

He’s not ruling shit. Could see him get killed by the Joker in the third film.

[limpid tendon]

i think it would be cool to have freze working for penguin

[errant vault]

ngl im a don supporter but i can see why the don slander is so rampant

[tepid lintel]

I think it will happen too

[agile crow]

Apparently, the Penguin has only 5-6 scenes in the sequel. He will be dealt with in the opening scene.

[errant vault]

i dont think joker will kill him

[agile crow]

I don’t care lol

[errant vault]

fr?

[tepid lintel]

Yes

[errant vault]

i think oz is gonna appear but i dont think bruce is gonna take him down

[agile crow]

Oz has been lucky throughout the season and killing a competent right hand man like Victor only made it worse lol.

Batman already took him down easily in the first film

[errant vault]

i mean oz is capable on his own

bro can talk his way out of anything and can get people to do shit for him

[tepid lintel]

He wants people to find him

[errant vault]

honestly imagine how annoyed bruce is

[limpid tendon]

so whos likely to be the main villain

in 2

[errant vault]

hush or hugo strange

i saw a report saying part 2 will be based on batman prey, which is about batman dealing w his sanity as hugo strange starts a smear campaign against him

[tepid lintel]

Hush can be final villain

[errant vault]

nah jokers probs final villain

they will make more shows about the villains so i think hush might be explored in that

[agile crow]

Sure the Godfather homage scene, but those could be taken care of. I think we’ll see how weak they are compared to Batman who is a much bigger threat.

[tepid lintel]

Hugo strange and the court of owls side villain and in the 3rd film lincoln march and court of owls will be main villain

[errant vault]

ngl i hope we dont see the court at all in the reeves verse

[agile crow]

They teased the villain in the finale. Y’all should guess.

[errant vault]

well not true i hope we get some nods but i dont see them being a main villain

esp w how early bruce is in his career

[agile crow]

Except they will be

[tepid lintel]

Nahhh you crazy

Cant be

[errant vault]

watch reeves announce the harvey dent court room drama show

[agile crow]

Pattinson and Reeves already said they like the idea of Court of Owls being the antagonists in the sequels.

They’re great villains and fits the theme of the series

[tepid lintel]

Thats what I said

I think in the next film they will be just in the background

[tepid lintel]

And they will be the main villains in the third movie

[errant vault]

i mean seeing as how the movies are ment to be a trilogy, i dont think they will be a main villain in part 3

[tepid lintel]

And joker will be there too

[errant vault]

it would just feel weird if jokers playing second fiddle

i think we might get a nod to the court in part 3

sort of like a "the adventure continues" ending

[agile crow]

Oz sending Sofia to Arkham will be his doom. I guess Selina and Sofia will team up in Batman 2.

[tepid lintel]

It will be crazy

[agile crow]

That wouldn’t make any sense

[errant vault]

i mean it wouldnt make sense for them to be a main threat this early

[agile crow]

Why not lol

[errant vault]

i always saw the court as like a later career villain

[dark juniper]

Farrell has said he’s only got “5 or 6” scenes in Part 2

Which is perfect

Let him keep living in that world

Gotham is better for having regular players in addition to the archvillains

[tepid lintel]

Di you think he will be nominated to emmy?

[dark juniper]

Yes

[errant vault]

going from a incel w some bombs to a whole underground society of rich fucks with ninja assassins in the span of 2 movies is too big of a jump

[tepid lintel]

I hope so

[errant vault]

oi ruby

[agile crow]

Dude, the entire franchise so far is about dealing with corruption in Gotham. Court of Owls being the puppeteers make sense.

[errant vault]

what did u think about the ending?

[dark juniper]

I’d bet on it being them tbh

The arc of Part 1 is Pattinson realising that corruption in Gotham goes way beyond street-level

[agile crow]

The said incel’s entire goal was to expose the elites corrupting the city. Guess what the Court of Owls’ schtick is?

[dark juniper]

Discovering the Owls is how you take that further

[errant vault]

ok tbh i just think the court is lame personally

[agile crow]

Just say that

[dark juniper]

Maybe you do it like Godfather Part 2, with a Bruce timeline and a Thomas timeline, as he finds out his father was under the thumb of the Owls

There’s loads you can do

Also I want to see Battinson fight a ninja

Personally

[agile crow]

Also from the looks of it, Oz have political ambitions?

[errant vault]

only way id find the court interesting is if talon was the main guy

[errant vault]

yea

he runs for mayor in the comic

[dark juniper]

Did you notice the curtains in the courtroom scene?

[agile crow]

Yes

[errant vault]

hollup

imagine if ras is the leader of the court in the reevesverse

nvm ras would be too fantastical

[dark juniper]

Well done, smart kid

[agile crow]

I wouldn’t be surprised if Thomas was involved in shadier stuff, but I hope it’s not like Telltale series.

[dark juniper]

The important thing to remember is that the existing lore is made up for children

[errant vault]

don what would you do if they dont use the court in the movies?

[dark juniper]

I’m not married to any backstory

Thomas could be a member of the Owls for all I care

Just tell a good story

[agile crow]

I don’t really care, but there are numerous hints in the verse which suggests that will likely be involved.

[errant vault]

i wonder if part 3 is gonna be a time jump from part 2

like as in a few years instead of one week

[dark juniper]

Btw if it’s the Owls, I think there’ll also be a heavy for Batman to fight

Someone they can cast a big name to play

[agile crow]

Talon

[dark juniper]

Nah

Not big enough

Talon is in it sure

But like

Clayface or Freeze or some shit

An A or B List Batman baddie

It won’t just be the Owls

[errant vault]

imagine if the owls give joker the resources to kill batman

[agile crow]

Clayface definitely. Eve Karlo also seems to be related to the character due to the hints.

[errant vault]

nah i dont see clayface

reeves is trying to keep it grounded

a big ol clay monster is too much

bane would seem more likely or just keep it as talon

[agile crow]

Could be misleading too.

[dark juniper]

You say definitely, but I’d be interested to see how they do it

Cos he isn’t gonna do a CG blob monster

If there is sci-fi, it’ll be very lowkey

[agile crow]

So far we’ve seen the franchise as a hyper realistic take on Batman lore, but maybe Reeves could somehow balance the sci fi part, could be really great.

[dark juniper]

He might balance it, but only in small ways

[errant vault]

i hope we got some fantastical elements

cuz like this verse is more fantastical than nolans verse atleast

[dark juniper]

Like how Nolan begrudgingly did Scarecrow’s fear toxin

It’ll be realism-adjacent

[agile crow]

Yeah, I don’t think it will be like the versions we see from comics or games. He will be more realistic for sure.

[errant vault]

i wonder if part 2 is gonna have batman saying he is the night

[agile crow]

Uh

[errant vault]

in batman earth one, which is what reeves took heavy inspiration from

[agile crow]

Don’t think so

[errant vault]

we have clayface appear

and in it hes some guy w a skin condition that lets him sculpt himself into different people

that or could just have him be an assassin thats really good at make up and prosthetics

[dark juniper]

He should be a guy who makes clay masks but they’re actually not very good

So he thinks he’s in disguise but nobody is fooled

Everyone’s just a bit weirded out by the guy who put clay all over his face

[errant vault]

ruby ur a master of trolling and making me take you seriously

[glossy lava]

Lucky to the point where it’s contrived

Like I dunno

Why didn’t mom just stab his throat

Why didn’t Sofia make sure there was no way out of that chair

Lots of stupid things the writers needed to happen to make Oz get away with everything that just take the writing down a notch

[sharp scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-james-jessie-prepare-for-trouble-and-make-it-double-gif-5321435

[dark juniper]

Lol

Girl you nitpick more than a comb

[mossy knoll]

Lol

[glossy lava]

Definitely not a nit pick

Just characters making illogical choices

Like why not I dunno make sure you disable Oz before putting on a little show

A bullet to each kneecap he’s a goner

Slice his Achilles tendon for all I care

The reason why is cuz they need him around

[dark juniper]

Barely

[dark juniper]

Yeah and then he’s screaming in agony, not lucid enough to talk to his mother

Who btw was not going to stab her son in the throat lmao

People forget that characters aren’t calculators lol

[agile crow]

Oz running his Twitter account https://x.com/thebatman/status/1856034669692637583?s=46&t=_AWFhpIAIwbUeGd6RdGh0A

The Penguin (@TheBatman) on X

MISSING PERSON ALERT: Victor Aguilar. Attached is the most recent photo of him. If you see him, please contact GCPD.

Twitter · Nov 11, 2024, 6:02 PM

[dark juniper]

Characters make irrational choices

Mothers love their only surviving sons

[mossy knoll]

I mean you do nitpick A LOT. All I see you do most of the times

[glossy lava]

He would definitely be lucid enough

You can disable someone and make them talk

It’s stupid

[dark juniper]

…if you shot his kneecaps off?

Girl no lol

[mossy knoll]

Even if he killed his brothers, his mom would have not killed him lol

[dark juniper]

This isn’t Call Of Duty

[glossy lava]

Or slice his Achilles tendon just anything to make him immobile

[mossy knoll]

She didnt kill him once she had the chance

[dark juniper]

If you shoot someone’s kneecaps off they are screaming until they pass out

[glossy lava]

She stabbed him in the stomach 🤣

You really think she thought he’d survive that?

[glossy lava]

Sure thing

Then you tie them up

Once they’re conscious

[mossy knoll]

She was literally going crazy

[dark juniper]

No offence but I’m so glad I don’t see media the way you do

[glossy lava]

No offense taken

[dark juniper]

I’d rather engage with a story than push up my glasses cos she didn’t tie him to a better quality of chair

[glossy lava]

I thought the last episode lacked focus

It jumped around a lot

Too many settings not enough character beats

[sharp scarab]

I hope he's ok

[agile crow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/s/CnSTGtbS06

[agile holly]

JESUS CHRIST

What an episode

And what a show

[errant vault]

Sofia wanted to hurt him with francis and then torture him

i doubt sofia thought that oz would tear apart a chear to get out

and she was too blinded by vengeance atp

[sharp scarab]

in gotham city everyone is mental

[agile crow]

Leaked footage from the Batman 2. https://youtu.be/-Yt7G0PjLA0?si=UxZ1OEwYoXpFIIa_

[lone wagon]

i agree! it was such a deflation. everything that transpired should have happened in prior episodes

||RIP Victor!||

[lone wagon]

theres more to it than just a flimsy tie up. i can go into it, but im not sure you care. i think it was really cool that gigante tried to give him closure, tho twisted af

[agile crow]

The city is cursed.

[errant vault]

i love how the community went from rooting for oz to hoping bats comes in and beats the shit out of him

shows just how good this episode was

absolute fuckin cinema

btw i wonder which side of the window francis is facing

like imagine her just chillin in her bed and seeing the bat signal "who da fuq"

also i love that we never see arkham in full from the outside

it feels like a completely different dimension that gothams worst are sent to

[mossy knoll]

Lmfao thats funny

[trail elk]

Im just really satisfied they stuck to their guns

Soooo many shows make their villainous characters misunderstood, empathetic, or whatever

Whereas here nah they're all literally the worst people you can imagine lol

[solid arrow]

Idk if anybody has already said this or even mentioned the scene where Oz is talking to his mom at the table but the way I interpreted that scene is that’s Francis’s perspective of the conversation between her and Oz that night when they went out. Maybe she wasn’t the one to initially dump all of that responsibility on Oz, maybe Oz was the one and that’s why she kept him alive because he wanted to do so much for and prove he was the only she needed even though he killed her two other kids. Because Rex was there that night and Francis knew it and it seemed like she had uneasy feeling so possibly she was gonna have Rex off him but maybe that conversation they had together changed her mind.

[trail elk]

I mean

That’s what was implied yeah

She was going to off Oz

But Oz promised money n shit

So she took a gamble

[solid arrow]

Again maybe he promised all that or maybe she forced him to promise all that to her, again there was two totally different conversations shown, one was from Ozs perspective and the other was from Francis’s, they both could’ve happened but they chose to show them separately

[glossy lava]

He’s a fat fuck of course he would 🤣

[trail elk]

Yeah I mean idk either way, she was gonna kill him but decided otherwise

[solid arrow]

Yea yea

[burnt zenith]

I ain't going to lie that Vic scene was very emotional for me to see right now.😅😅

[sly swallow]

holy

the fact he takes the money out of vics wallet is so disgusting

why is eve wearing oz's mums dress

thats kinda weird

nvm i see

[agile crow]

I think this is how they will introduce Harvey Dent. It will probably be Oz who’s responsible for Dent becoming Two-Face.

[lone wagon]

what were all 'The Batman' easter eggs? it really seems like most of them were in the last episode

also was Sofia in both Blackgate and Arkham? or are those united in this universe? I think Sofida mentioned being in Arkham one episode

[trail elk]

She was never in blackgate

[lone wagon]

oh was that just the Maroni?

[trail elk]

Sofia was sent to Arkham by Carmine, then sent back in the finale
Salvatore was in Blackgate

Yeah just Maroni

Cause Sofia is considered criminally insane idk

So Arkham like Riddler n Joker

[lone wagon]

sucks that magpie gets no respect in the batman universe. just killed off like that

same kinda happens in Beware the Batman lol

why would Selina reach out to Sofia after all this is going on? i wonder if she was writing her and the letters were getting intercepted or something

idk why i think yall have all the answers, im just asking questions here

[trail elk]

Eh who knows, but its gonna be a thing for the next movie- the plot is meant to be that

So Batman 1 ends with Carmine dead, Oz looking out window to Gotham all for the taking, Batman believing he's meant to be a hero, and Selina finding out Carmine was her dad

Batman 2 is gonna start off with Oz incharge after Carmine's death, Selina doing some family searching idk

Shit like that

Penguin show just filling in the gaps cause there's sweet story telling you can fit in

[burnt zenith]

She was only in Arkham.

Arkham is where the criminally insane goes. While Blackgate is where sane criminals go.

[agile crow]

Never understood why Oz is sent to Blackgate

Even in the comics and adaptations like the Arkham games, he’s mentally disturbed, it’s just that dude isn’t as crazy as many Batman rogues.

Reevesverse Oz clearly is a sociopath with Oedipus complex. Mfer belongs in Arkham.

Sofia seems more normal than him even after her time in Arkham. Kinda ironic when Oz calls her a sick fuck.

[trail elk]

Oz didn’t mean that

It was to point out he was sending her back to Arkham

Cause “she was insane, strangled women, gassed her family, bombed metro etc”

[agile crow]

Some people with the “Y’all think Vic is really gone?” theories.

He ded

[narrow prairie]

This show made me realize alot but Oz story was confusing

Because I understand about him wanting everything in Gotham but his brother's deserved to be with him

Or if they made Oz a single child

[agile crow]

It’s not confusing. Dude was jealous that his mom gave attention towards his brothers and wanted her all for himself.

You could also see how jealous he was with the way Francis treated Victor too.

Like it was discussed earlier, he has mommy issues.

[narrow prairie]

Yeah but I'm confused by his character because on one half I understand he was given nothing and was bullied on the other hand he did evil things

[agile crow]

He was evil since childhood.

What’s there to not understand

[narrow prairie]

Yeah but when he got older he changed it up a lil

[narrow prairie]

Because I want him to be a hero

[agile crow]

Of course he would become more evil as he grew older

[agile crow]

Lol the Penguin was never a hero

[narrow prairie]

But I want him to be because what he was put into

[agile crow]

Yeah, we expected him to be a sympathetic villain in the series, but it’s good they made him a repulsive and evil man with no redeeming qualities.

[narrow prairie]

He was poor and bullied alot of ppl can relate

[agile crow]

He deserved to be bullied considering how evil he was

People already sensed that

[narrow prairie]

That's why he turned evil tho

Cause he was bullied

[agile crow]

Not really.

He was already evil. That’s the point of his background story as a child.

[lone wagon]

only return i can see is that he somehow makes it to the lazarus pit and becomes Victor Zsaz lol

[narrow prairie]

Or it could've been Gotham you know what the environment your born into can shape you into what you are

[agile crow]

His mom didn’t mistreat him neither did his brothers. It’s like a reverse take on Pain & Prejudice comic.

[narrow prairie]

Gotham is basically cursed

[lone wagon]

They didnt do enough to explore his evil side imo, just gave the audience reasons to think hes bad

[narrow prairie]

That's why I'm confused

[narrow prairie]

I felt more like Oz was a good guy

[lone wagon]

Like The penguin wasnt as bad as Joker but he was a screwed up individual. He enjoyed toying with people psychologically

[narrow prairie]

Yeah but the villians are misunderstood right like there's a reason for why they are who they are

[agile crow]

Oz keeps using his poor background as an excuse for his actions, even though there are characters who were much poorer and not nearly as evil as he was. Even Sofia mocked him for his “Man of the People” persona.

[lone wagon]

i have no idea how you could have construed the character that way. He has literally no redeeming qualities. But maybe thats part of it, some people will see the good in him and thats why he becomes Mayor (spoiler for those who dont know about Batman lore?)

[agile crow]

They did enough

[narrow prairie]

Yeah but also he's smart

He's moving the right pieces

[agile crow]

I think you should’ve figured already with the way he burnt Nadia Maroni and her son to crisp. That’s evil

Sadistically smiling

[narrow prairie]

I'm just confused tho how to protray him

[agile crow]

Then with the way he killed Victor and sending Sofia back to Arkham, even though he could’ve just killed her instead of making her suffer.

[lone wagon]

Again thats not really exploring why hes evil, just giving the audience reasons to know he is. Exploring would be him talking to firefly about best fluids for igniting

[agile crow]

He’s also a backstabber with no loyalty.

[agile crow]

That’s not exploring

Lol

[lone wagon]

Ok

[narrow prairie]

This is true

[agile crow]

Like everything was covered in the finale. He doesn’t even care about his mother.

[narrow prairie]

But I don't know why we needed victor character it makes no sense

[lone wagon]

how does he not care about his mother? he did everything for her safety

[agile crow]

It was meant to parallel Oz in a way, except he was a much better person.

[lone wagon]

victor was a red herring for Penguin's humanity

[narrow prairie]

Yeah but I think your forgetting something

The girl victor was with he should've left with didn't she warn him

[lone wagon]

Idk if Victor is paralleling The Penguin more than hes just an artifact of Gotham. How even a dumb teen making dumb choices can get pulled into a life of crime

Penguin always admired crime. Victor dealt with going to the dark side entirely different

[narrow prairie]

Yeah but do you think Oz did the right thing because he didn't want vic to turn evil like him

[agile crow]

No he was just attracted to her, which is already creepy. Dr Rush was prepared to cut one of her fingers and he was still not willing to say the truth, which even shocked Sofia. Francis in the earlier episode also told Oz to euthanise her in case if she ends up being in a vegetative state. Instead he makes her suffer.

[narrow prairie]

Vic died good

[lone wagon]

he never cared about Vic. Vic was merely a means to an end the entire time.

[lone wagon]

not at all

being betrayed by your mentor and then left next to the frozen river like garbage aint a dying good kid

[agile crow]

I think he meant to say Victor died as a good person.

[narrow prairie]

Yeah but let's say vic lives eventually he's going to turn into what Oz is so to prevent that Oz kills him to save him from being evil

[lone wagon]

oh also no tho?

[narrow prairie]

Remember vic isn't innocent he killed that drug dealer in the alley

[lone wagon]

idk if this tracks. he clearly thought she was actually going thru dementia and his promise to give her a wondrous life was an exchange for killing the brothers.

[narrow prairie]

So vic was becoming evil

[agile crow]

He killed him because Oz considered Victor as a liability. In case if an opponent of his uses Victor to manipulate him like Sofia did with Francis for example.

[agile crow]

He killed him out of self defense and was absolutely shocked.

[narrow prairie]

So you don't think vics death is to keep him from becoming evil like oz

[lone wagon]

if anything Penguin killed him cause he has no faith in humanity. Vic watched that guy betray and play everyone, and still gave him loyalty. Once Penguin betrayed that in the future, the getback would be crazy

Vic was the one inspiring people and rallying the troops of Crown Heights. Penguin saw that

[narrow prairie]

Vic was a crook just like Oz

The beginning he was stealing stuff

[lone wagon]

yeah, but he was the actual man of the people. what Penguin wanted the entire time

and if you have what penguin wants, you end up sleepin with the fishes

hes like sylar from heroes lol

[narrow prairie]

Imo I think Oz protected him from the evil life

Just my opinion

[lone wagon]

you can take it that way sure, theres room for interpretation

[narrow prairie]

I think Oz should've married Sophia too they both are alike

[agile crow]

Watch the episode again. Francis tells him outright that she hates him for what he did to his brothers and later stabbed him. Oz knew she hated him, but he kept using the dementia stuff as an excuse. Also, he didn’t truly care about anybody. Oz explicitly stated family is a weakness and he could’ve respected Francis’ wish, instead he’s torturing her by keeping in a vegetative state.

He’s pissed what his mother thinks of him, but dude is attracted to her, so he loves her in his own way.

[narrow prairie]

Was Rex suppose to be the devil?

[agile crow]

No, it’s Oz

[lone wagon]

i disagree. he doesnt want to admit to himself that hes a monster. saying tht stuff out loud would have done just that. Penguin wants to believe that hes a good person

[narrow prairie]

Yeah but Oz wanted to be Rex

[lone wagon]

its clear that hes only out for numero uno, but that doesnt mean theres no empathy or sympathy for the devil

otherwise, she wouldnt have actually been a pawn. Theres literally no reason to keep her around, only to show her how good hes doing.

[narrow prairie]

Rex was the original devil

[agile crow]

I don’t think Oz believes he’s a good person. Judging by the way he killed Victor, where he told him “You’re a good man, Vic”. He’s aware that you can’t be a good person and survive in the criminal business.

[narrow prairie]

I guess he convinced her to embrace what oz did

Rex did

[lone wagon]

he wants to believe he is a good person

[agile crow]

He doesn’t want to

[lone wagon]

ok

[narrow prairie]

I Think Oz is a product of his environment

[agile crow]

I mean sure, but Oz is just way too evil

[narrow prairie]

Gotham is cursed but also there's the power struggle

[lone wagon]

yeah. heres a question: do you think that makes her just as complicit with everything Penguin has done?

all these characters are not good people. but the mom was definitely corrupted by her canon event ijs

[agile crow]

But Rex Calabrese was definitely a fucked up dude. The way he suggested Francis to have her own child killed.

From the looks of it, Rex probably killed children too.

[narrow prairie]

Rex wanted Oz to be this

Tho

And his mom embraced it

[lone wagon]

Rex was just going over the options. He suggested either kill the evil or nuture it

[agile crow]

Oz is even worse. At least Rex respected loyalty.

[narrow prairie]

So he was basically the devil in disguise

[agile crow]

Killing a child is fucked up. No matter what.

There’s a reason Francis couldn’t do it

[narrow prairie]

But let's say his mom rated on Oz you want to know what's messed up if Oz got locked up

[agile crow]

She couldn’t have her own child killed

As fucked up Oz was

[lone wagon]

idk if thats what it is. i feel the devil would present you with two choices but they are both a sham. This guy was presenting a hurt woman with hard choices

[narrow prairie]

He would go to arkahm and become more evil

That's the crazy part

If Oz was locked up for killing his brothers

[lone wagon]

never said it wasnt

[narrow prairie]

I think Sophia story would've made sense for Oz

[lone wagon]

theres no proof that he killed them. everything was cirumstantial

[narrow prairie]

But wouldn't Sophia's story be more suited for Oz if he went to prison and turn more evil

[lone wagon]

so it wasnt that mesmerizing speech he gave her at the dinner that changed her mind? she really believed in his evil potential in that moment. i dont think it was a simple as she couldnt kill her child

[narrow prairie]

Being in arkahm

[lone wagon]

oh i see. he would be all messed up mentally cause his mom threw him away. fuck yeah now youre cooking

[agile crow]

I think she wouldn’t have regardless. You could clearly see her struggling.

[narrow prairie]

Yeah

[narrow prairie]

That's kinda what you were saying like they explore more of why he's evil

[agile crow]

Also, Francis probably thought Oz had some good in him after that speech.

[lone wagon]

she sat in that room for god knows how long ignoring that kid and ruminating on the decision. she made it with much thought.

[narrow prairie]

Do you agree with us that if Oz was put in the pen we see a lil more explanation of why he's evil

[lone wagon]

i dont think she was just like, oh i cant kill you after all that. and knowing that he sat there with her and watched tv while they drowned. but ok

[agile crow]

No, she was clearly struggling with the idea to have Oz killed.

I don’t she made her decision

And it’s just not due to that speech. Oz was just a kid and despite what Francis believed, she really wouldn’t go that far.

[lone wagon]

i mean anyone should take that seriously, as did Vic. but i dont think she was 50/50 on it. more like 70/30 in favor of killing

[agile crow]

Why does that matter?

Talking about what happened in the show

[narrow prairie]

Because we wanted to explore more of why he was evil like this

[lone wagon]

wouldnt go that far? dude after she raised him, she was ok with him killing literally anyone.

and she knew that would be the outcome if she lived.

so the mom is okay with her child killing other moms children as well as her own? all for the sake of raising The Penguin? lol

[agile crow]

It wasn’t 70/30. Don’t know why you think so. Francis wasn’t so evil that she was hellbent on having her child killed despite the fact her other sons died due to Oz. She called him the devil, but does that mean Francis wanted a child to die?

[lone wagon]

yes. thats why she stabbed him

[narrow prairie]

But his mom's character was hurt she had PTSD

[lone wagon]

she was definitely going thru it mentally!

[agile crow]

She stabbed the adult version. Not a kid

[lone wagon]

after she stabbed him, he turned into a kid in her eyes. did we watch the same show?

[agile crow]

Francis wasn’t so fucked up that she would’ve stabbed Oz as a kid. If that was the case, she would’ve done that already tf

[agile crow]

Did you?

[narrow prairie]

Do you think Sophia did the right thing by showing his mom who he truly is

[lone wagon]

no thats why the dude was gonna "give him a ride". but the sentiment of killing him remains

[agile crow]

The entire point of that scene was that Francis knew who he was.

[narrow prairie]

Because he would've let her finger get chopped off

[agile crow]

Oz was way too much of a sociopath to admit the truth

[narrow prairie]

Yeah but Sophia wanted to show her that her son was evil

[lone wagon]

it was so twisted watching this criminal try to psychologically heal The Penguin thinking that would hurt him. is that the type of world we live in, with people like that?

[narrow prairie]

But also the end he forgave her

Forgave her

After she stabbed him he blamed it on Sophia and he put her in the penthouse so he wasn't that bad of a son if he did everything he said he was going to do

[lone wagon]

i just tripped how The Penguin disappeared on Sofia like The Batman does

[agile crow]

Did she kill him or not as a kid? When she stabbed Oz and saw the kid version of him and then later a vision of her dead sons, that’s when she suffered a stroke. She was absolutely devastated and didn’t even mean to stab Oz tbh. You fail to realise it was an impulsive action.

[lone wagon]

[narrow prairie]

That's the only time Oz didn't lie

He kept the promise he had when he was young

Yall missed that part I think he promised her the pent house he put her in a penthouse

[halcyon ember]

Watching it, felt hard to figure out if the Penquin believes what he's saying is reality or lies

[narrow prairie]

So in a way he gave her everything she wanted

[narrow prairie]

He lies but he kept his promise to his mother

At the end

Even tho she was a vegetable

[lone wagon]

dang motivation for evil: gettin momma into the penthouse

https://tenor.com/view/jeffersons-moves-dancing-partywithfriends-gif-6029900190465387412

[trail elk]

I think it was a red herring, whole time you think it was cause of trauma, ambition, a promise, revenge idk; but nah he was just straight evil from the get go lol

https://tenor.com/view/jack-horner-smile-gif-27453489

[agile crow]

Yeah pretty much

[lone wagon]

the fact that youre really trying to see the good in penguin is disturbingly amusing

[agile crow]

Dude did say he wanted Penguin to be good lol

I don’t know why

Oz isn’t supposed to be some badass either

[narrow prairie]

I think Rex was the introduction of him being evil

[lone wagon]

he a conniving son of a mother to ghosts

[narrow prairie]

Remember Rex gave his brother the dollar not him

[agile crow]

Because Jack was the elder brother

Why would he give the money to Oz?

What are you saying man

[narrow prairie]

I'm saying that was the introduction to him being evil and his greed

[agile crow]

No like I stated, he was already evil. Watch Top Hat again.

There is no indication that he only became evil because he was bullied. If anything he was already like that from the start and his physical characteristics represent his innate nature.

It’s not even subtle

Oz looks like a demon and his heart is like one.

[narrow prairie]

He was evil because the environment he was in the environment at the time was surrounded around Rex controlling the streets of gotham

So seeing that his goal was to become exactly like rex

[lone wagon]

bro he was so giddy at seeing Rex from jump. it was like seeing a superhero to him. except the guy, as Don put it -- kills kids probably

[narrow prairie]

If Rex wasn't in his life I don't think he is this evil person

Rex made him this person

[agile crow]

Start of the show was a red herring. Like we’re supposed to feel sorry because he’s born with a clubfoot, even though it’s meant to represent that he’s evil.

[lone wagon]

this is true but the argument that the show presents is the evil is more insidious than just youre surroundings, its your choices (like Vic had the choice to leave Gotham, with Penguins blessing). even the mom said she always knew he wasnt right

the penguin wasnt right*

[halcyon ember]

I was confused and sad with the end dance scene. Calling her Mom, telling her what to say. Do you think he's delusional or wants the closure he couldn't recieve from vegetable Mom?

[agile crow]

Lmfao you act like Rex was his mentor or something, when it’s revealed he didn’t give a crap about him.

[lone wagon]

if Rex wasnt in his life, there wouldve been Frank Lucas. again this is Gotham no shortage of crime

[narrow prairie]

Your missing it the last episode is exposing why he's evil tho Rex convinced his mother to nuture him

[lone wagon]

to nurture something that was already there tho, not put evil thoughts into his brain

[narrow prairie]

It makes sense why he's evil it's because he is like rex

[agile crow]

And he also gave her the option to kill him

[narrow prairie]

I think Rex is his father

[agile crow]

You forgot the whole loyalty speech? Rex probably knew Oz can’t even be trusted

[lone wagon]

idk if it was just casting or just genes, but the brothers did look to have different dads via hairstyle

[agile crow]

He said yeah Oz can be a great mobster, but dude was a snake and nobody would actually respect him.

[narrow prairie]

Yeah so maybe Rex was Oz dad

[agile crow]

Nah if that was the case it would’ve been revealed.

[lone wagon]

this is one thing that gets to me about Penguins character in general. Everyone knows hes a snake and he never produces anything himself. No value as an actual criminal. Is it his network?

[narrow prairie]

They share the same qualities

[narrow prairie]

I mean not everything has to be revealed

[agile crow]

Also, Rex seemed to prefer Jack and Benny over Oz. I think he already knew how twisted Oz was.

[lone wagon]

i would not fuck with Penguin unless strongarmed and hed forever be an opp, never an ally

[narrow prairie]

But wasn't Rex twisted

He wanted to kill oz

[lone wagon]

Rex wasnt twisted at all. he had a code and was not good, but i dont think he went around torturing people or snitching people out

[agile crow]

Can’t take him seriously. Thing is Penguin has been incredibly lucky in all his encounters and also killed the person who saved his ass many times.

[halcyon ember]

He's very smart, his manipulation skills alone is crazy

[narrow prairie]

I think the Penguin and Rex are similar just my opinion

[agile crow]

He also seemed to be jealous of Victor considering how competent he was at such a young age and Francis also liked him, probably considered him like a son.

I think this was another reason why he killed him

It wasn’t just about loved ones being a weakness that could hold someone back.

[lone wagon]

agreed. but i guess Falcone made that mistake in the first episode lol. its crazy how hes flying by the seat of his pants. no wonder hes a low tier criminal for Batman

[trail elk]

I love the prosthetic work, they made him look like such a vile unhygienic pig that he is, remarkable work by the team

[lone wagon]

yeah i can see that but if you manipulate literally everyone around you and its an open secret, someone is gonna kill you with no hesitation eventually

[narrow prairie]

But It's confusing maybe Oz despised rex because at the end the right hand men killed their bosses

Showing that they deserve to be noticed

[agile crow]

Yeah. He’s a good smooth talker, but many people who worked with him are aware he’s a backstabbing prick.

[lone wagon]

yeah the wardrobe and efx department kicked ass. The pores/pock marks in his skin were crazy good! He was cool how the deeper in the shit he got, the more sloven he became. then he cleans up

[halcyon ember]

Absolutely, money seems to win people's votes

[lone wagon]

the second someone finds out he killed Vic, is he really gonna be respected?

i mean like respected to be kept alive lol

[narrow prairie]

So the Penguin is going to be the mayor of Gotham

[agile crow]

I don’t see Oz last all that long as a crime boss.

[narrow prairie]

?

[trail elk]

I mean Carmine was

[agile crow]

Yeah, well Oz is no Carmine

[trail elk]

I think someone pointed out there were Owl symbols around the court house Oz was in, so second movie might be about that

[narrow prairie]

We still have the riddler in the shadows

[lone wagon]

Court of Owls?! fuck fuck fuck

no way

[trail elk]

Owls or Freeze are my guess

[narrow prairie]

Remember he flooded Gotham right the riddler

[lone wagon]

id think Batman would have to be a bit more experienced for Court of Owls, could be the big bad Thanos-like for him

plus they mess with the Batfam

[lone wagon]

too bad Clayface or Scarface wont ever get taken seriously. those would make some dope shows too

[trail elk]

I mean they might do both: First movie was Riddler with main background villain being Carmine and inner Gotham corruption- Switch out Riddler for Freeze and Carmine for Owls for second mov

[agile crow]

I know for sure, Oz will be responsible for Harvey Dent becoming Two-Face whether directly or indirectly. Hope he ends up dying in the worst manner possible.

[lone wagon]

we need Manbat and Firefly. give me the smaller villains too

[halcyon ember]

(Off topic) I kept thinking of danny devito throughout the series lol

[lone wagon]

rip Adam West but Grey Ghost should pop up too

[trail elk]

I fuck with Hugo Strange with Man Bat as one of his frankenstein monsters

[lone wagon]

that sounds great

[agile crow]

There’s only like two more films left. If they’re planning to make Court of Owls as the villains, then they should do it now because it fits the narrative of the verse.

[narrow prairie]

Who exactly are the Court of owls?

[lone wagon]

its such a tall order to do it that quickly

[trail elk]

spooky illuminati ass old white people

they also got ninjas called talons

[lone wagon]

they run everything in gotham, literally. Batman couldnt escape em

[halcyon ember]

The Court of Owls is an ancient society that has controlled Gotham City for centuries.

[agile crow]

I don’t think Reeves cares about 100% comic accuracy. Also, N52 Batman was young when he faced Court of Owls. So does it matter if Pattinson is facing them early?

[safe spruce]

Good series. Can't wait till Batman beats the shit out of him in the next movie.

[lone wagon]

its not about facing them early its about setting them up thats all. if they come outta nowhere itll feel a bit disingenuous

imo. but maybe its all there already

[lone wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-christopher-nolan-bruce-wayne-batman-where-are-they-gif-5103771

[safe spruce]

I want the opening scene to be just Penguin being curbstopped for 5 minutes straight 😄

[agile crow]

Don’t think this is nowhere. They’re hinting towards the Court.

[lone wagon]

wasnt there a mask or something in the movie?

[lone wagon]

by Robin lol

[agile crow]

In the finale, we see Owl shaped drapes in the court.

Not even all that subtle

They explored the corruption aspect in the city, which is why Riddler wants to kill the elites

[lone wagon]

ok

[halcyon ember]

A+ acting Colin Farrell

[agile crow]

https://tenor.com/view/drive-movie-ryan-gosling-gif-18061529

[narrow prairie]

I hope they do another villian series

[safe spruce]

Yup. Add an Arkham combo for good measure

[narrow prairie]

I was right too about rex remember the beginning when the penguin is telling the story to Alberto about rex that was Oz inspiration to have everything rex had

[agile crow]

Farrell and Milioti should win the Emmys

Would be a robbery otherwise

[safe spruce]

How about Ras? Lot of story potential with his lore

[agile crow]

If they’re planning to make more movies, then sure

[narrow prairie]

I don't know too many villians but if it's as good as The penguin why not

[agile crow]

I think Harvey Dent series makes more sense

[narrow prairie]

Is he the officer

[agile crow]

He’s likely gonna be heavily involved in the movies

[narrow prairie]

In the Gotham

[safe spruce]

Ras, two-face, clayface, freeze, deathstroke, black mask

[trail elk]

Maybe Oz was the real two-face

[safe spruce]

I would say red hood, but obviously requires a lot of build up

[agile crow]

Bella Reál is creating an anti-corruption commission. Dent being one of the members makes sense and then due to tragic circumstance, he becomes Two-Face while trying to fight corruption.

[narrow prairie]

Whose the guy whose half burnt in the original batman

Is that two face

The dark knight batman I mean

[trail elk]

Yeah two face

The lawyer guy who had half his face bbq'd off

[narrow prairie]

Yeah

I liked the riddler and bane

[halcyon ember]

Yeah, hopefully Hollywood criteria for winning the award isn't too far gone on this series

[trail elk]

Love me some two-face but they gotta play him right, cause he's meant to be a sleezebag even before the monster face thing- sly sleezy lawyer turned deranged maniac would be cool

[narrow prairie]

I forget why the bane wears the mask it's because he's insecure right?

[trail elk]

I mean its an HBO production so

[agile crow]

Mentally ill, you mean?

[trail elk]

https://tenor.com/view/obviously-yes-simon-cowell-britain's-got-talent-that's-an-easy-yes-of-course-it's-a-yes-gif-14969469225065569865

[safe spruce]

Who is the doctor supposed to be btw?

[narrow prairie]

And the riddler why is he the way he is

[agile crow]

I thought Rush would be revealed as Scarecrow

[halcyon ember]

Can you elaborate?

[safe spruce]

same

[agile crow]

Instead he’s just some creepy doctor obsessed with Sofia

[safe spruce]

I'm not a big fan of scarecrow though, Hugo is a more interesting psychological villian imo

[trail elk]

HBO has a record of being part of the bougie club, so thatd prolly mitigate the comic thing

Also Joker won awards so idk

[agile crow]

They could do both. Scarecrow working with Strange.

Both are interesting villains

[halcyon ember]

Understood, thanks

Imagine if Joker 2 won instead lol

[lone wagon]

would be dope to see Selina get swept up in the criminal element and end up in heavy odds against Batman

i guess thats kinda being set up too

[narrow prairie]

Wasn't "Theo Rossi" in "The punisher"

Oh he was in "Luke cage"

So he was In Marvel and DC

[halcyon ember]

Who would you like to see The Penquin team up against Batman?

[trail elk]

Tbh I feel like all our characters in Penguin arent gonna be all that in the movie like: Penguin gets his kneecaps casually broken by Batman, Sofia is just some random NPC for Selina's character arc

That kinda vibe

[narrow prairie]

I didn't watch the recent movie is The Riddler still alive

After he flooded everything

[lone wagon]

yeah hes in arkham with the joker

[narrow prairie]

They make the most sense

[halcyon ember]

Yes, the guy can barely run. Wait can he run? Lol

[lone wagon]

(supposedly with Joker, since thats from a deleted scene)

[narrow prairie]

I think it make more sense if they make a collective with thr villians vs justice league

The

[lone wagon]

he moves fast is all ive seen lol

[trail elk]

He can waddle *aggressively, crippled fat king

[narrow prairie]

Batman can't fight the villans alone

[lone wagon]

Batman can 1 v infinity

[trail elk]

Literally, he's a bullshit comic hero

One punch man type shit

[narrow prairie]

But what's the penguins powers

[trail elk]

Fat

[halcyon ember]

It's too funny how much training, power, will, stanima batman compared to the Penquin

[trail elk]

He does what no other man can (wants to have sex with his mother)

[narrow prairie]

That's crazy

[lone wagon]

well if its one thing The Penguin did is show how depraved Batmans rogues gallery and environment is.

Kinda sucks to have Crown Heights destroyed and then instantly propped up by illicit activity.

Where the fuck was the Wayne Foundation?!

[trail elk]

I feel like his power in the show n movie is his ability to be a cockroach, just weasle out of any situation no matter how dire

[lone wagon]

yeah it felt like he was one level maybe two above that guy in the movie Trap

[agile crow]

Lmfao don’t know why people think this version of Penguin is main villain tier

He’s not some genius

[lone wagon]

at all lol just cunning and wicked as a lieutenant of hell

[trail elk]

I mean he's gonna be big villain level by next movie, since he's the kingpin now

[halcyon ember]

It's his charm and good looks

[narrow prairie]

Bro Gotham will never be cured of the evil even if batman is there

[trail elk]

Thats the point

Goat Gotham

Cursed ass city, no hope

[lone wagon]

one thing we have yet to see from him is his gadgets, from that umbrella.

i hope thats not like Smallville and Clark flying ||(spoiler, he doesnt)||

[trail elk]

Aw no not the gadgets
https://tenor.com/view/not-the-bees-gif-26245123

Theyre cool but they gotta be used like sparingly ig, like the Batmobile- otherwise Batman literally pulls out random McGuffins out of ass

[lone wagon]

yeah. im just saying they have reserved some of his more known aspects. I wonder if theyll give him a monocle. thatll be diabolical as fuck

[trail elk]

"Stand back Robin, I got a tool for this exact oddly specific situation in my belt"

[lone wagon]

Woody tellin Sora to let him cook is hilarious

why Sora look so worried lmao

[agile crow]

If they’re planning to make Penguin some major threat to Batman, would be interesting to see Pattinson adopt Matches Malone persona. Who is basically his gangster identity.

[narrow prairie]

You know the symbolism in Toy story?

[lone wagon]

i mean that is literally Batmans thing. Hes prepared for almost any situation cause he goes out and gets one upped and barely escapes with his life.

"Never happening again!" is probably what Alfred hears a lot

[halcyon ember]

He'll never die on screen which is why I'd rather see more shows like The Penquin

[lone wagon]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-dark-knight-rises-broken-back-pain-low-gif-16700598

guess theres no way to prepare for that tho

[trail elk]

The real Batman woulda had the Spinal-Protection Algorithm 9000™️ in his belt

[halcyon ember]

Multimillionaire get all the cool toys

[lone wagon]

hahahaha hell yeah. deployed right before contact

[trail elk]

Batman's way cooler when he doesnt have bullshit gadgets

Like Bane just straight up breaking his back, Joker n Riddler running mind games around him n shit

[lone wagon]

theres no broke equivalent to Batman in DC? nightwing maybe? even Green Arrow is rich as fuck

[halcyon ember]

John Wick

[lone wagon]

isnt John Wick a bad guy tho?

[halcyon ember]

Oh, can of worms staying in jar

[trail elk]

Good guys: Batman, James Gordon 🤮

Bad guys: Sofia, Ozwald 🗣️ 🔥

[lone wagon]

Mid guys: Vic ☠️

[trail elk]

Rip, gone too soon 😭 shoulda seen it comin tho, Vic, idk what u smoking

[lone wagon]

all good sorry for that lol

[halcyon ember]

No worries, felt like we'd go off topic too far

[lone wagon]

hopefully someone caught that murder on surveillance

[trail elk]

@errant vault So uh, still think Vic's Zaaz?

[lone wagon]

Penguin is probably way too soft for Zsaz. Thats why hes around Black Mask and Joker

well idk Joker but hes the loosest of cannons out there

[agile crow]

Wait someone here said Victor will be resurrected via Lazarus pit

[lone wagon]

lol that was me

[agile crow]

He’s way too soft for the Joker too. Penguin was never a big threat to Batman.

[trail elk]

Bro that lake Vic died next to, THATS THE LAZARUS PIT 🗣️ 🔥

[agile crow]

Like even at his best

Oz is nothing but an informer to Bruce to deal with bigger threats

In a way that shows how ruthless Batman is

[halcyon ember]

Crossing fingers Season 2 is at least tolerable and we all can agree season 1 was awesome

Unlike Joker

[agile crow]

He’s doesn’t mind Oz being out of prison and remain as a crime boss if dude provides him information.

[lone wagon]

Its gonna be weird if they introduce him to the other villains cause they dont take him serious either. He definitely aint pullin shit on a lot of Batmans opps

[trail elk]

Whole show, things blowin up, people dyin

Audience: Wont someone call Batman!
https://media.tenor.com/TNRXUktTCuQAAAAM/helen-lovejoy-wont-someone-think-of-the-children.gif

[lone wagon]

all this to be the Rodney Dangerfield of Gotham, damn

[agile crow]

Do us all a favour and shoot that mfer

I find Penguin more annoying than the Joker

Even in Arkham games lmfao, the goons seemed to prefer working with Joker lol

[halcyon ember]

Like his dialog? Behavior? I'm genuinely interested

[lone wagon]

stg i was waiting for bro to show up and never did. like did they fix the signal last episode?

was it broken? lol

[trail elk]

"911 what's your emergency?"
Gyet meh byatman niaaaaaaawwww

[agile crow]

Been replaying Arkham City and it’s like Cobblepot wants his men dead or something.

[lone wagon]

only thing youll ever hear from anyone is 'with pleasure'

maybe this is the story of the criminals that have currently learned how to evade Batman

[lone wagon]

i knew Arkham Knight was missing something. dont think he was in that one lol. havent played Arkham city in forever hope its fun for ya!

[agile crow]

He’s in Arkham Knight

There’s also a mission which involves him

[lone wagon]

is he a boss battle?

[lone wagon]

dang looks like i gotta replay em all now lol

[agile crow]

It’s the Most Wanted side mission.

Batman and Nightwing teams up

[lone wagon]

oh he was in the wheel thingy? dont remember that yo.

[agile crow]

Yes

[lone wagon]

i was so stoked to be running around as the different Batman skins and fighting the missions were kinda a blur

[agile crow]

Looking forward to replay AK after I’m done with City.

The graphics still look sick

[lone wagon]

Batman Returns on the SEGA is one of the most difficult games ive ever played

especially the Penguin levels

[agile crow]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-batman-throw-dc-arkham-origins-gif-15556012681008187343

[lone wagon]

im glad they hold up!

[agile crow]

Yeah I remember playing that as a kid

I think it was via emulator on PC

[lone wagon]

slick!

Catwoman working for The Penguin seems outlandish knowing shes a Falcone. Did she get that gig to find out about her friend?

[agile crow]

Apparently Oz treated her well

And Idk if he knew she was a Falcone

[lone wagon]

Intriguing. I wonder if his surrogate mom madame chick will help Catwoman in the future too

was catwoman also working for her? cause she helped the working girls of gotham

idk if thats what she was actually but they had to have been in the same circles at least

[agile crow]

Eve would no doubt backstab him again

She hates the dude and only cares about what Oz can provide for her.

[lone wagon]

she had so much contempt on her face every time The Penguin looked away