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honest spear
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this is like some delicious kind of chain rule

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incheresting

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well say you have x=lnt

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derive both sides

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w.r.t t

rough forge
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hmm

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You want to diff y(x)=y(ln(t)) to get dy/dt

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Or write dy/dx in terms of dy/dt

honest spear
rough forge
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I am sorry

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I was confused why you would diff x=lnt

honest spear
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say x = ln t we have $\frac{dx}{dt}=\frac{1}{t}$

$\frac{dy}{dt} = \frac{dy}{dx} \cdot \frac{dx}{dt}$

jolly parrotBOT
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Nyxzore

rough forge
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i saw that

honest spear
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we want to represent this as y(x)

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$y''(x) = \frac{d^2y}{dx^2}$

jolly parrotBOT
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Nyxzore

honest spear
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what this allows us to do

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is convert all of our dy/dt into dy/dx

autumn thunder
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oh I get it now

honest spear
autumn thunder
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thank you so much

honest spear
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!done

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autumn thunder
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no derivative no chain rule

honest spear
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y just stays the same meowdy

autumn thunder
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y is in t we want to make it in x as in y(x)
isnt that what the question wants?

honest spear
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holothink

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abuse of notation at its finest just writing y fr

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well i mean lets say you have y(t)

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now you just have y(e^x)

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then rewrite this as Y(x)=y(e^x)

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but then you have to ignore my chainrule nonsense

autumn thunder
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0_0

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how do we get the answer in the choices?

honest spear
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@rough forge might need help bearlain

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i'll try this problem myself in a bit

autumn thunder
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ok

jolly parrotBOT
rough forge
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Now use that do derive y''(t) as well

honest spear
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wait

honest spear
rough forge
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wdym

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You have to express the equation in terms of dy/dx and d²y/dx²

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y(t) becomes y(e^x) which by abuse of notation is just y(x)

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technically speaking y(e^x)=f(x) some other function

honest spear
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ohhhh

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OHHHHH

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how am i not clocking my own words

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stoic imp
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say for example if I have a smooth curve, then any paranetrization of that curve is regular?

stoic imp
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or is it like the opposite, if I have a regular parametrization of a curve then that curve is smooth

honest spear
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the latter

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i fink

rough forge
honest spear
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ayep

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not quite sure how you would prove the latter though holothink

honest spear
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say is a regular paramitisation $P(t)=(x(t),y(t))$ as star showed if the deritive is 0,0 somewhere it is not regular so we know the derivitive is non zero everywhere. so if we take some t=c and $x(c)=0 => y(c)\neq 0$

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Nyxzore

honest spear
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but star showed a disprove by counterexample on your first statement

stoic imp
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oh right, r'(t) = (1,1)

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quasi depot
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Hello, I was given this question to show that the limit exists. Although I'm having trouble with bounding the denominator. To be very honest our professor always uses the reverse triangle inequality to bound that, but I've always been confused by the initial assumption we make. Any tips?

dense jasper
jolly parrotBOT
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Civil Service Pigeon

dense jasper
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Try it

quasi depot
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Yeah that wouldn't work....you'd get x < 0

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Lemme try 0.5 though.

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Hmmm....

dense jasper
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$-0.5$ satisfies $|x+1|<1$ but not $-2<|x|<0$. Why is there a $|x|$ there anyway?

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Civil Service Pigeon

quasi depot
dense jasper
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The lower bound of $-\delta$ is redundant because absolute values are non-negative

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Civil Service Pigeon

dense jasper
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I assume that’s messing you up

quasi depot
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Okay then from what we have, that doesn't look right....

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quasi depot
halcyon estuary
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first of all mod of x + 1 cant lie between -1.5 and zero

quasi depot
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I didn't write that though

halcyon estuary
pearl pondBOT
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cosmic sinew
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do you need help

broken moth
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@quasi depot ok to show this you don't have to use numerical approximations

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You just need to show the existence of delta

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You can notice that X^2-2=(X-√2)(X+√2)

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And |x+1|≤|x-1|+2

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Or bruh

broken moth
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It is not 1 it is 3

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high swallow
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hi, could anyone give me a hint of where to begin? I'm kinda clueless on this problem. Thanks

smoky gull
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are you familiar with modulo

true garnet
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Use Chinese remainder theorem

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high swallow
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i'll have a think for a while i'll come back if i need more help, thanks

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stoic imp
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[ 3. \text{ For each } n \in \mathbb{N}, \text{ find the possible values of } (3n^4 + 2n^3 - n + 1 : 3n^2 - 1). ] [ \text{ Provide an example for each value found.}]

jolly parrotBOT
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Renato

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stoic imp
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.solved

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stoic imp
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I solved it by myself

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wasnt that tough actually

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cunning compass
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did i do it correctly? 🙏

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summer imp
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Hummm you seem to have gone from 1-sin(theta) in the denominator to cos^2(theta)?

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Amongst other things

still grail
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for these establishing identity problems you should not be moving things from one side to the other

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i think you tried doing that in step 2

cunning compass
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oh

summer imp
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still grail
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^^

sterile python
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Yes you have mistaken it with Pythagoras identity

cunning compass
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i think i got lost somewhat

sterile python
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Why are you multiplying 1-sinx/1-sinx

cunning compass
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i thought getting the conjugate of one of the sides would give something

sterile python
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1-sinx conjugate is?

cunning compass
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oh

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right

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oh shit

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i think i got it

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so conjugate is mainly for using difference of square right

still grail
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yup

cunning compass
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epic

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fading nexus
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How did I go wrong for 2

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honest vigil
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,rccw

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honest vigil
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is that 2/7 on the right?

fading nexus
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Yea

honest vigil
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why is it 2/7?

fading nexus
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Crap was I supposed to subtract it

honest vigil
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indeed.

fading nexus
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Is this now correct? Also 4

honest vigil
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,rccw

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honest vigil
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,calc ln(5/3)

jolly parrotBOT
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The following error occured while calculating:
Error: Undefined function ln

honest vigil
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,w ln(5/3)

honest vigil
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I recommend prefacing decimals less than 1 with a 0 anyway. it was a little hard for me to see the decimal point through the half-erased writing.

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and is the fourth digit there a 6 or an 8?

fading nexus
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Kk

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A very bad 8

honest vigil
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then it is correct.

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I'll take a look at 4) now.

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  1. is also correct minus the small nitpick I have about writing your multiplication on both sides under the equation/step (I would have preferred it written to the side).
    but that's just a personal nitpick, so it's a pass.
fading nexus
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Kk

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Sorry for the rapid fire questions but for 1-18 am I just like switching the expressions

honest vigil
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you can think of it that way if it helps you, yes.

fading nexus
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Like this? And how would I find the decimal for 5?

honest vigil
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,rccw

jolly parrotBOT
honest vigil
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hint: rewrite 25 as a power of 5, and rewrite the cube root as an exponent.

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for 2), yes.

fading nexus
honest vigil
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25 = 5^?

fading nexus
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How did you get rid of the root 3 tho

honest vigil
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put it aside for the time being. we'll bring it back in in a bit.

honest vigil
fading nexus
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It’s just 5 squared right so 2

honest vigil
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correct.

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so now we have a cube root over it.
do you recall what exponent a cube root corresponds to?

fading nexus
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No not off the top of my ehad

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Likely division or multiplication or smth

honest vigil
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hint: a square root is the same as an exponent of 1/2.

fading nexus
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So would it be 5/3?

honest vigil
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1/3, not 5/3.

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so a cube root is the same as an exponent of 1/3.

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we can now use these two pieces of information to write the argument of the log using just exponents and a base of 5.

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can you do it? (hint: recall that $(a^b)^c = a^{bc}$.)

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

fading nexus
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so (5^2)^1/3?

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I’m doing this wrong

honest vigil
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correct!

honest vigil
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(which is called the power rule of exponents, in case you need a name to search it up later.)

fading nexus
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2/5?

honest vigil
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you mean $5^{\frac25}$?

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

fading nexus
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Yea

honest vigil
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incorrect.

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you should be multiplying the two exponents together.

fading nexus
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Wait 5^2•1/3

honest vigil
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if you meant $5^{2 \cdot \frac13}$, that's right.

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

honest vigil
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so what will that end up becoming?

fading nexus
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5^2/3?

honest vigil
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absolutely correct.

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so now you have $\log_5(5^{\frac23})$. can you continue from here?

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

fading nexus
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Wouldent I just stop there since I rewrote into the other expression and found x

honest vigil
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oh yes, of course.

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I was just going by your previous method and making it explicit if you want to.

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but if you recognize this form and can stop here, then yes, this is good enough.

fading nexus
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For this one how do I get rhe -4 to be postive since I can’t find a solution if it is negative?

honest vigil
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is that $\ln(e^{-4})$?

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

honest vigil
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if it is, you already have the answer.

fading nexus
honest vigil
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then you have the answer already.

fading nexus
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No solution right

honest vigil
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there is a solution.

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in fact you're staring right at it.

fading nexus
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no solution?

honest vigil
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there is a solution.

fading nexus
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I have no idea then

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Would it be -4

honest vigil
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exactly.

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$\ln(e^{-4})$ is no more than $\log_e(e^{-4})$ in fancy clothing.

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

honest vigil
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the only things that cannot be negative are the base and the value of the argument.

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but e^-4 is not negative.

fading nexus
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Kk and sorry I got even more questions for 12 I’m not sure how to contuine and for 18 I don’t even know how to stat

honest vigil
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for 12, recall how we handled the cube root earlier? the same strategy applies.
the same strategy for 12 kills 18 as well.

fading nexus
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I think mainly for 18 the form is confusing me

minor cloud
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convert the square root into an exponent, and convert 1000 into a power of 10, like you did with the earlier problem.

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oh, and don't forget to take into account that the sq. root is in the denominator this time round.

fading nexus
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What would I do after this?

honest vigil
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you're more or less correct, except you forgot to account for the fact that the square root is in the denom of the fraction.

fading nexus
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I thought I got rid of the square root when I made it squared?

honest vigil
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I mean getting a fraction of 3/2 as your exponent is correct. but the sign of that exponent is wrong.

fading nexus
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Sorry I’m confused what you mean 😭

honest vigil
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if I asked you to write 1/a using exponents, what would the exponent on a be?

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equivalently, $\frac1{a} = a^?$

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

fading nexus
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A^2?

honest vigil
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1/a = a^2?

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hm, if we let a = 3, you're saying 1/3 = 9.

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I'll spoil the surprise then, but you should review your exponents after this. $\frac1{a} = a^{-1}$.

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

honest vigil
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likewise, $\frac1{a^b} = a^{-b}$.

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

honest vigil
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so $\frac1{\sqrt{1000}} = \frac1{10^{\frac32}} = 10^?$

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

fading nexus
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How would I add that to the other expoinets just by adding a - ?

honest vigil
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what do you mean?

fading nexus
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Like would it be 10^-3/2

honest vigil
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absolutely.

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fading nexus
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For this one we have to find the domain of the graph and match it with its graph. And im having trouble figuring out the domain

fading nexus
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Since I don’t know the original domain

livid aurora
fading nexus
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yea like I have these two graphs but I don’t know if that is still true for log10(x) like tiny 10

livid aurora
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Yes

fading nexus
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How do I know which what it is ?

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Is it the same domain for the natural log ?

livid aurora
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The more you increase the base of log the graph become less steeper

fading nexus
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Ya

livid aurora
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Log base 10 (x+1)

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Is defined in
x+1>0
x>-1

fading nexus
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I don’t really know how to write domains like that we do like (0,♾️)

livid aurora
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You can write x>-1 as (-1, infinity)

fading nexus
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So all log equations have a base domain of (0,♾️)? When would we use the inverse version

livid aurora
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You have to make sure base a is not equal to 1

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And x is positive

fading nexus
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how would a base be equal to 1?

livid aurora
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I'm telling that it can be anything but not 1

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For the log to be defined

fading nexus
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Sorry I’m just very confused because now I don’t know what to do with the + and - logs and ln

fading nexus
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No

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We haven’t learned that

livid aurora
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You can solve them by using these properties

torn flicker
livid aurora
torn flicker
livid aurora
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Hmm

fading nexus
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I haven’t done the properties yet so I don’t know how to solve with them

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fading nexus
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I just don’t know if the og domain changes when it is a natural log and I don’t know how to know if to use the inverse graph domain or the normal graph domain

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Because I know log tiny2 (x) domain is the inverse but I don’t know what the other equations domains are

honest vigil
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the domain of logarithms is always $(0, \infty)$ no matter what base you happen to be using.

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Yukari

vivid grove
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You can try experimenting with sketching logarithms on desmos. That may help in understanding

fading nexus
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Im jusr paranoid cus we drew both these graphs in class and im worried i missed an equation for the other one

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And I still don’t know how to find the domain because we don’t just have one log we are adding them together

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Is the domain for LN also (0,♾️)

buoyant cypress
fading nexus
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I’m sorry I don’t know what you mean 😭

buoyant cypress
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you have two terms log (x) + log (x+1) = f(x)

use the product rule here

fading nexus
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We haven’t done product rule before

buoyant cypress
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hm.. that is an issue then. you must learn the properties

fading nexus
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I guess I’ll just leave it blank and ask my teacher in class it’s not worth the energy

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Cus I have other problems to do

green aurora
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you must intersect the domains

buoyant cypress
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alr

fading nexus
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For these one 14 I don’t know if I should multiply or divide and for 18 I’m not sure how to get the +2 out of the log

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buoyant cypress
vivid grove
buoyant cypress
vivid grove
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It would be better to type out your question and show working out

fading nexus
vivid grove
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What the equation

green aurora
fading nexus
vivid grove
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Can you focus on one specific question

fading nexus
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16 I guess it’s the more simpler question

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I just don’t know if I should do loge(3)•0.045 or loge(3)/0.045

vivid grove
vivid grove
fading nexus
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Sorry it’s a bad picture I don’t bring my textbook to school since I don’t have a locker

vivid grove
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Much better

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I would take ln not log.

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It looks like you are using base e though so it does not matter

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ln(e^(0.045x)) = 3

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Edit: ln(e^(0.045x)) = ln(3)

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By definition of ln we end up with:

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0.0045x = ln(3)

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From here it should be easy finish the proof the key understanding how logarithms are defined

fading nexus
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I know I should put it in the calculator and like either divide or multiply but I do know which at least that’s how we did it in class

vivid grove
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Forget about the original question. Suppose we have ax = b. How would we make x the subject?

fading nexus
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Divide each side by a

vivid grove
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We divide both sides by a. Because ax/a = x from equivalent fractions. Hence we get x = b/a

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So what do we do in question 14?

fading nexus
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Divide?

vivid grove
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Correct

fading nexus
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Ok and for 18 I don’t know how to get the +2 out from the log

vivid grove
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.rotate

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I would prefer it if you typed the working out

harsh adder
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lemme see the q again

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1s

flint basalt
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,rccw

jolly parrotBOT
fading nexus
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Can I just put it in the calculator and divide it by -2

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Wait

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No

harsh adder
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yeah you know how a logarithm is?

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we dont need to remove the +2 out of the log

fading nexus
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Yea

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I still don’t know how to contuine since I need to isolate the x

harsh adder
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how bout

fading nexus
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And there’s no like tiny number so I can’t do that

harsh adder
fading nexus
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I don’t know how to convert the equation because I don’t have a b value

honest vigil
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if a base is not visible, there should be a line in your syllabus telling you what the default base is. usually it's 10 in algebra/precalc and e in calculus.

fading nexus
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Oh ya

honest vigil
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always double-check with your syllabus though!

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This doesn’t seem right

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keep these 2 in mind

  1. if no value is given its 10
  2. if ln is given then the base is e
fading nexus
harsh adder
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I don’t know what I did wrong

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because

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there is quite more than one issue here.

harsh adder
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where did the 2 come from

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randomly

fading nexus
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From the other side ?

harsh adder
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not divide!

fading nexus
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Huh

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Ohh

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nope

fading nexus
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It would be 12

harsh adder
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nope

fading nexus
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I’m so confused

harsh adder
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make the value a numerical term

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otherwise you cant operate

fading nexus
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8?

harsh adder
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10^-2 is?

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0.01

harsh adder
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yep

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now you can operate

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X=-1.99?

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yep

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Ty

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we used the negative exponent rule in that q

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I don't understand when a force has a positive or negative sign

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wouldn't it depend on what direction you've defined as positive?

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they are elastic forces

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yes, but since the spring force is a restoring force, doesn't it always have a minus sign?

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so kx+kx-kx

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like this

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I mean you can always define whatever coordinate frame you'd like

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though with your choice of positive direction, wouldn't the signs be the other way around though?

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perhaps I am misunderstanding something; if so I will apologize in advance.

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its the inverse

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The only important thing about the restoring force is that it is antiparallel (i.e., opposite) to the velocity vector. Whether it is mathematically positive or negative is not meaningful ultimately

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It seems that I just need to consider the absolute value of -kx and then put the signs according to the diagram

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I don't get how we get 2L -1w

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Are there no solutions for this? I always end with sec (started from left)

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!show

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start from right, 1 + sin^2 is cos^2, so RHS is just cos

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no nevermind im wrong completely

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would be true if it was $(1-\sin^{2}(\theta)) \times \sec(\theta)$

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yeah minus mb

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*when you remember that the original equation must be defined

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just did that, you get $\cos(\theta) = 1$

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heres the thing i did

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$\sin(\theta) \cdot \left(\frac {\cos(\theta)} {\sin(\theta)} + \frac {\sin(\theta)} {\cos(\theta)} \right) = 1 + \frac {\sin^2(\theta)} {\cos(\theta)}$

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then multiply in

cunning compass
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did i do it correctly

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its still missing a sec

hasty saddle
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LHS becomes $\cos(\theta) + \frac {\sin^2(\theta)} {\cos(\theta)}$

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$\frac {\sin^2(\theta)} {\cos(\theta)}$ are on both sides, so cancel

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Johannes Kepler

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then you are left with $\cos(\theta) = 1$

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Johannes Kepler

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so is there no actual solutions

hasty saddle
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no, $\theta = 0, 2\pi, \dots$

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no you are correct

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these are solutions, but cot is undefined at these angles

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Johannes Kepler

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Can anyone help me with mcqs

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I have 100 mcqs pdf

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And also, which ones in particular?

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Have you tried those exercises?

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versed canyon
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No

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Well you should try them first

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Otherwise we can't just know what you don't understand.

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And with 100MCQs we're not exactly out of the woods...

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Or at least the first few ones. The whole thing seems to cover a significant portion of a typical multivariable calculus course, so you should've already seen stuff pertaining to domains, ranges, partial derivatives, critical points, tangent planes, local extrema, constraint optimization, double integrals, change of variables, change of order of integration, Green's Theorem, triple integrals, Gauss' divergence theorem etc.

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i have a feeling that AC is 10, but does anyone know why?

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BD is a radius

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OH

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<@&286206848099549185> sorry I am not patient and I'm getting sleepier by the minute

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Dexter…..

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Bro

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Thursday

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Understanding the theorm essentially

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But

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I need help with De Morgan's law on complement of intersection of two sets

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I can't understand the logic

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so you need help understanding $\neg(A \land B) = \neg A \lor \neg B$?

midnight haven
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x : x belong to (A intersect B)'
x : x does not belong to (A intersect B)
how do we come with the conclusion that
==> x : x does not belong to A or B

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sorry for the LaTeX mixup.

honest vigil
midnight haven
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I can;t understand how it came to that conclusion

honest vigil
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so let's think about it.

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if an element x is in both A and B, then x is in their intersection.
agreed?

midnight haven
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yes

honest vigil
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cool.

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now suppose x is in A, but not B.
is x still in the intersection?

midnight haven
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no because x is strictly A

honest vigil
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excellent, we're getting there.

midnight haven
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ok

honest vigil
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what if x is in B, but not A?

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is x in the intersection in this case?

midnight haven
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x is strictly in B

honest vigil
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nicely spotted. and obviously if x is in neither A nor B, then x wouldn't be in the intersection.

midnight haven
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that is symmetric difference of A and B

honest vigil
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but we now see that to disqualify an element from being in the intersection, you only need to kick it out of one of the sets.

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so if it is not in the intersection, then necessarily it is either not in A, or not in B. or both.

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that's why if x is not in the intersection of A and B (equivalently, if x is in the complement of the intersection of A and B), then either x is not in A, or x is not in B, or both.

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I hope it was clear.

midnight haven
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why cant x be strictly A or B without the intersection

honest vigil
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what do you mean?

midnight haven
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why the shaded part not possible

honest vigil
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not possible for what?

midnight haven
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if x does not not belong to the intersection of A and B, the shaded part is possible too

honest vigil
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does not, not?

midnight haven
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ah sorry does not

honest vigil
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did you intend the double negative or is it a typo?

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right.

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I never said it was not possible.

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in fact, that's exactly what I mean when I said either x is not in A, or not in B, or both.

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if you insist on expanding it fully, either x is not in A but in B, or not in B but in A, or not in both.

midnight haven
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yeahhhh

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that one

honest vigil
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but De Morgan does not really care about what sets x is in with the way it is traditionally written, because if I say not in A or not in B, I'm leaving open the possibility of saying not in both.

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and another reason for not being explicit (especially later on) is when you get to know the generalized De Morgan law (for any number of sets).

midnight haven
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so he took it logically

honest vigil
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you're not going to want to sit there and state (in A and B and C and ... BUT not in Z, or in A and B and C and ... BUT not in Y, etc.).

honest vigil
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but ultimately, it's the same concept applied to different objects.

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the idea is always that if an element is not in the intersection of some number of sets, then it must be OUT of at least one of those sets.

midnight haven
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woah

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alright I will go with the possible explanation that x is not in A or B, concluding x is totally outside of the circles

honest vigil
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what do you mean, x is totally outside?

midnight haven
honest vigil
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in fact, be careful with how you word this part:
x is not in A or B
notice that I worded it as x is not in A, or not in B.

midnight haven
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x is not in A or x is not in B yeah

honest vigil
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your wording implies $x \not \in (A \cup B)$. my wording implies $(x \in \overline{A}) \cup (x \in \overline{B})$.

jolly parrotBOT
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Yukari

honest vigil
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De Morgan concerns itself with the latter.

midnight haven
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so lets start once again, I mean we came to the conclusion that x does not belong to A intersect B
therefore, x does not belong to A and B, am I correct

honest vigil
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correct, provided you take that 'and' logically.

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as in, x does not belong to A and B at the same time.

midnight haven
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x does not belong to A and x does not belong to B?

honest vigil
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now if you word it this way, that 'and' is an 'or'.

midnight haven
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oh I see

honest vigil
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or, if it helps visually...

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if x is not in the red area, then necessarily it must be outside the red area. but there are three places it can be: the green area, the blue area, or the yellow area.

midnight haven
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Yes this

honest vigil
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if you agree, then we can say that if x is not in the intersection (red area), then it is either out of A (placing x in either the blue area or the yellow area), or it is out of B (placing it either in the green area or the yellow area).

midnight haven
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yes

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agree

honest vigil
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and that is the gist of De Morgan.

midnight haven
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what

honest vigil
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hm?

midnight haven
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what point does he try to make then

honest vigil
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think of it this way.

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suppose you have a compound sentence, and you claim that not everything in that sentence is true.

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more concretely, let's say someone says "oh A and B and C and D..." and your claim is that not everything in that sentence is true.

midnight haven
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ok

honest vigil
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now, "not everything is true" sounds like a hard claim, especially hard to prove. but because of De Morgan, you can turn this claim into an easier one: "at least one of those things is false".

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isn't that much easier to attack?

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instead of seeming like you need to show everything is false, you now only need to show one of them is false, and the whole sentence crumbles by De Morgan.

midnight haven
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okay i see

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hitting one except all

honest vigil
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it's like a domino effect.

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if someone says "A and B and C..." and you tip one of the dominos, the whole thing crumbles.

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though it is worth noting that De Morgan's laws come in two parts, and this is but one of them.

midnight haven
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so how is it related to this

honest vigil
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well suppose then you want to prove that an element is not in the intersection.

midnight haven
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yes

honest vigil
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by its nature this would be rather hard to prove, but if you invoke De Morgan, you can now target any one set involved in the intersection and prove that that element is not in just ONE of the sets.

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instead of having to consider every single one of them.

midnight haven
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please re elaborate this

you can now target any one set involved in the intersection and prove that that element is not in just ONE of the sets.
instead of having to consider every single one of them.

honest vigil
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you want to show that an element is not in all of some number of sets at the same time. at first, you might think we have to somehow show that it is not in every set one by one.
De Morgan says that you can do the same thing by just showing that it is not in just one of them, because then it wouldn't be in all of them at the same time.

midnight haven
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what does 'in just one of them' mean

honest vigil
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suppose you want to prove that an element is not in A, B, C, and D at the same time (that is, their intersection).
then, it suffices to prove that the element is either not in A, not in B, not in C, or not in D. if the element is not in as much as a single one of them, then surely you agree it can't be in the intersection.

midnight haven
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wait a neither nor condition?

honest vigil
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or maybe more concisely, if you want to prove that an element is not in the intersection of A and B, then it suffices to prove that it is either not in A, or not in B (basically, it is not in one of the two sets).

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this can be generalized to any number of sets, but you're more focused on two sets, so let's stay there for now.

midnight haven
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exactly, because multiple sets make me think harder

honest vigil
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it's technically the same idea, and maybe you'll see it later.

honest vigil
midnight haven
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and another condition maybe that the element is not in both

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so ultimately whats the conclusion

honest vigil
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that is handled by stating that it is either not in A, or not in B.

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the conclusion is De Morgan. there's nothing more to it.

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at least from my point of view. unless you want to generalize this, which is up to you.

midnight haven
honest vigil
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yes.

midnight haven
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I SEE

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oof

honest vigil
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either not in A or not in B, in set language, is x is in the complement of A, or x is in the complement of B.

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which is how De Morgan for sets is usually stated.

midnight haven
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actually my problem was
I was assuming more variables and possibilities whereares He did not

honest vigil
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perhaps, yeah.

midnight haven
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alright thank you so much!!

honest vigil
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no worries.

midnight haven
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:)))))

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lemme close

honest vigil
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'twas a good exercise.

midnight haven
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tremendingly stressful

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because I was just promoted to 11

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with a class 10 brain, very difficult

honest vigil
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we've all been there. you got this.

midnight haven
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thank you..

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I just realised a great mistake

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A' means U - A = B right?

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and vice versa?

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for B'

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@honest vigil

honest vigil
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A' means U - A, correct, but U - A is not necessarily B.

midnight haven
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wait yeah
U - A = elements of U, not containing A but B

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U - B similarly?

honest vigil
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U - B is any element of U not in B. this does NOT necessarily mean A.

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some elements are part of neither set.

midnight haven
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thats why I said U elements

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framing more better

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U - A = elements of U which do not contain A but contain B

honest vigil
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also, "not containing A" is not exactly right. "not contained in A" is better.

midnight haven
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I mean elements in U along with B without A

honest vigil
midnight haven
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now?

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wait lemme diagrammatically show

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this is U - A

honest vigil
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correct.

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don't involve any other set in the definition of U - A.

midnight haven
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wish my english was better

honest vigil
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U - A should only talk about U and A.

midnight haven
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and same idea for U - B

honest vigil
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correct.

midnight haven
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if I had taken these into account, I wuld have understood what De Morgan meant by saying "either not in A or not in B"

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now I finally understood

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Finally, thank you so much

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no worries, glad to help.

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alright I will close since I ned to bath ah

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thank you for saving my hours

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Prove that (A - B) U B = A
Given:- B (subset) A

My steps:-
x belongs to B => x belongs to A

(A - B) U B = {x : (x belongs to A and x does not belong to B) or x belongs to B}
Is this approach okay ?

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You should continue though

midnight haven
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next step:

(A - B) U B = {x : (x belongs to A and x does not belong to A) or x belongs to B}

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is everything okay here by logic?

midnight haven
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nop

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I feel smth wrong tho

bitter herald
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'x belongs to A and x does not belong to A'

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Dors this make sense to you

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its becomes phi

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but A - B may not always conclude empty

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unless A = B

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You should backtrack a bit

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but given is B (subset) A

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ok

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Your conclusion is wrong to begin with

midnight haven
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ok lemme see

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It is never correct

midnight haven
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I know therefore it becomes an empty set

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but A - B is not gauranteed to be empty

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so lemme re check

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But it should be x does not belong to B you wrote A

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I thought if x does not belong to B, should not with A as wel

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but it isn't necessary

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No

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Thats not correct

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which

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yeah

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I think it should be
(A - B) U B = {x : (x belongs to A and x does not belong to B) or x belongs to A}

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So if union of a subset (A - B) with A

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it results in A

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because (A - B) is a subset of A

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I don’t know if I describe it clearly

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This problem (Figure 1) reminds me of the Poncelet Porism (Discovered by a teacher himself). I’m not sure how to describe it clearly in words, so I drew a diagram instead. In Figure 2, α is a fixed angle, P is a fixed point, and Q is the moving point whose trajectory is a circle. Since the ratio PQ:PM is constant, we can obtain:

  1. The trajectory of the passive point is also a circle.
  2. Let O₁ be the center of the circle on which Q moves, and O₂ the center of the circle on which N moves. If the radius of circle O₁ is r₁ and that of circle O₂ is r₂, then we have r₁ : r₂ = PQ : PN.
  3. PO₁ : PO₂ = PQ : PN.

I already know how to prove the three statements above. Now I want to use the Poncelet Porism to solve the original problem (Figure 1).

In this problem, based on my drawing, I unexpectedly found that the locus of point F is an arc whose center is the midpoint of BC and whose radius is half of side A. The arc starts on side AB and ends on side AC. This seems to match property (1) of the Poncelet Porism.

The key question is: in Figure 2 there is one active point and one passive point, but in this problem there are two active points M and N and one passive point F. Does this situation still satisfy the Poncelet Porism? If it does, how can we use the porism to prove it?

First, r_O equals one half of r_B, which equals one half of AB, which equals a/2. (I feel that this follows from property (2), but at this moment I still cannot justify why r_O : r_B = 1/2.) Then, from property (3), we can obtain BO = 1/2 BC. (But again, just like the previous step, I still cannot justify why this is valid.)

If these two steps can be established, then we can prove that the locus of F is exactly that arc.

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how does his last limit prove 6.27. The way he convers 6.27 it should be $\lim_{L(k+1)\to0} \frac{k}{L(k+1)}$ I don't see how proving the limit as k goes to 0 is related or how it helps

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You're a teacher and a company offered you two profit models. Both profit models can get up from 4$ to 6$.

-First Profit Model: includes $4 per completed lesson and $2 per client no-show. If your performance rate (student retention) stays at 70% or more at minimum 7 clients for 3 months and tutor attendance rate is 85% minimum, your profit is increased to $5 per completed lesson and $3 per client no-show. If your performance rate (student retention) stays at 80% or more at minimum 7 clients for 3 months and tutor attendance rate is 85% minimum, your profit is increased to $6 per completed lesson and $3 per client no-show

- Second Profit Model:
Lesson Milestone Base Rate Retention Bonus Total per Lesson
1 – 10 $4.00 $0.00 $4.00
11 – 25 $4.00 +$0.50 $4.50
26 – 40 $4.00 +$1.00 \ $5.00
41 – 55 $4.00 +$1.50 $5.50
56+ $4.00 +$2.00 $6.00

For client no-shows, it stays only at $2.

Which model is mathematically more profitable? First or Second?

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You are a teacher and a company offers you two profit models. Both models allow earnings to increase from $4 up to $6 per lesson.

\subsection*{First Profit Model}

The first model is performance-based and defined as follows:

\begin{itemize}
\item Base rate: $4 per completed lesson and $2 per client no-show.

\item If the performance rate (student retention) is at least $70\%$ with a minimum of 7 clients for 3 months, and the tutor attendance rate is at least $85\%$, then:
\[
\text{Rate} = \$5 \text{ per lesson}, \quad \$3 \text{ per no-show}
\]

\item If the performance rate is at least $80\%$ under the same conditions, then:
\[
\text{Rate} = \$6 \text{ per lesson}, \quad \$3 \text{ per no-show}
\]

\end{itemize}

\subsection*{Second Profit Model}

The second model is milestone-based:

\begin{center}
\begin{tabular}{|c|c|c|c|}
\hline
\textbf{Lesson Milestone} & \textbf{Base Rate} & \textbf{Retention Bonus} & \textbf{Total per Lesson} \
\hline
1--10 & $4.00 & $0.00 & $4.00 \
11--25 & $4.00 & +$0.50 & $4.50 \
26--40 & $4.00 & +$1.00 & $5.00 \
41--55 & $4.00 & +$1.50 & $5.50 \
56+ & $4.00 & +$2.00 & $6.00 \
\hline
\end{tabular}
\end{center}

For client no-shows, the compensation remains fixed at $2.

Which profit model is more profitable?

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viscid shale
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Important question, how much does a lesson last / take to do in time

feral mantle
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15 minutes for the prepration.

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Total 1 hour.

viscid shale
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Any particular chance for no-shows?

feral mantle
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No, but it will depend on the student if they decide to do no-shows.

viscid shale
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Yes.

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Well, from a theoretical standpoint, 56 can be reached in about 10 days. Even if client amount increasing over time, id say you reach the peak of the second profit model in far less time

feral mantle
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Since for the First Model you have a 6 month cap that cannot be avoided.

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Over an extended period of time, the first model is technically better in an optimal enviroment.

feral mantle
viscid shale
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But considering the possibility of failing the 3 month condition for amount of clients, or simply a relative decrease of client noshows in the 2nd model

feral mantle
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That applies on both profit models.

viscid shale
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any cap on total clients?

feral mantle
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No caps.

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There are no limits as well.

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For the total clients.

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If you get a good headstart you can prob reach peak amounts in the 2nd model in like 2 months.

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And even if you dont, theres still a gradual increase to compensate for the time it takes.

feral mantle
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But if the teacher has a goal of an long term bigger profit, would it be the same answer?

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Since second one only has a stable 2$ no-show.

viscid shale
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if for every 25 lessons you have 4 no shows theres a 4$ difference total

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Havent particularly crunched the numbers, but i think that it would probably take a few years for 1st model to get back on the speed of 2nd model headstart.

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viscid shale
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np ig.

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Just out of curiosity, youre applying for a job i pressume

feral mantle
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And evaluate what has been your progress on this 3 months

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if you got any friends inside the job and theres no NDA (or you dont really care about it, lmao), just talk about it, see what other think about it

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like, the difference in payment is basically none

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hi ineed help in integral if its possible

summer imp
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Any specific one?

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those two

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so

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let me start with a if it was 1 then its arctan if 0 impossible

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but if i need to complete than i need to talk a variable changement

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and i couldnt know what it is

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or if there is other cases

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multiply by 0 sonny

topaz burrow
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0??

summer imp
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Try to divide the numerator and denominator by sqrt(a).

olive stone
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think trig substitution

flat crane
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yh just sub in sin and tan

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then do a triangle

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EX

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ARC

summer imp
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They already have the integral for arcsin, so dividing numerator and denominator by sqrt(a) and substituting is the easiest way to get back to that form.

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ok i did it

summer imp
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If you distribute everything in the denominator you should get something that almost looks like the derivative of arcsin.

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ohhhhhh get it but like no metter a or i need to do her intervall

summer imp
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What?

topaz burrow
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a if it was 0 the form is false and if it was 1 then its artan

summer imp
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You said that a can't be 0, it also can't be negative, so you can do this regardless.

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so i think in this case we need to do R positive not 0?

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I'm not sure what you're asking. For the denominator to even be defined you need to have a > 0.

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ok this is what i need thank you sooooo much

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Hence why you can take the square root of a

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And divide by it

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LINEAR ALGEBRA HELP NEEDED

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23a and b make sense, I got A^2=I and confirmed M^2=I. 24 is where I am confused.

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I will send my work one sec

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24 still beign worked through but im confused

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In the future, please make the first message you send the actual question since that's what the bot pins. This saves us the effort of having to change the pin manually.

That being said, the dimensions here are inconsistent - remember that matrix multiplication is commutative. Idk if that is what's tripping you up.

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But notice that the idea in 23a is ||a matrix with 1 and -1 on the diagonal can square to the identity||. If you need another pointer, consider ||blocks||.

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thanks for letting me know

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Ok so

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NO

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IM NOT

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FUCKIGN DONE

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DAMN

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it's not closed lol

midnight haven
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wtf am i crazy

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sorry

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midnight haven
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p

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o

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is this allowed

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setting AC+CD=0

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or is that cheating

fluid axle
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A = -D doesn't make sense, they ain't the same size

midnight haven
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fuck....

fluid axle
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CSP's first spoiler is a good idea here though

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and it's essentially what you're trying to do with that "A=-D" thing

midnight haven
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lord help me

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idk what im doing

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this is all I have

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and even then im not confident

fluid axle
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these would be the correct sizes inside M yes

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the other interesting thing about 23(a) is that it doesn't matter what you put in the 3 spot, you'll still have A^2 = I

midnight haven
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hmm

fluid axle
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so the other hint I got is that you shouldn't give a crap about the C, pick only A and D so that M^2 = I whatever C is

midnight haven
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am I on the right track

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now theres a reason why AC+CD=0

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hence why i said A=-D

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or like

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now it's partitioned and not just assumed

fluid axle
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also you haven't corrected the error CSP told you in the first place, should be CA + DC but w/e

midnight haven
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why does that order matter

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ohhhh

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fuck

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DONT ANSWER THAT

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listen... im new to this...

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so basically ur saying

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because positions 1 2 and 4 are I, 0, and I, whatver is in position 3 is irrelevant

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ohhh

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wait

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bruh

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C cant be 0

fluid axle
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nah, the idea is that with a very particular choice of A and D you can make C irrelevant in the computation of M^2

midnight haven
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i dont get it

fluid axle
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think simple stuff

midnight haven
fluid axle
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diagonal A and D

midnight haven
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this all i got

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am i supposed to be recalling something

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nothing special no

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i got nothin

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shut your egg ahh up

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i was talking to the robot

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how do I know if a point is on a line parallel to an axis in 3d?

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if you have the equation of the line, sub the coordinates of the points into the line and see if the equation is satisfied.

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uh something like this:

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P(2, 3, -1) is apparently parallel but idk how and idk what other points are parallel to the z axis

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I think the question is asking that what point can you join to P with a line such that the new line is parallel to the z-axis?