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jolly parrotBOT
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1 divided by 0 equals Infinity

proper nova
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we want to prove that whatever 13 elements we pick, we will always end up with at least one pair such that $a = 2b$

jolly parrotBOT
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1 divided by 0 equals Infinity

proper nova
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so uhm

slim jackal
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It's impossible

proper nova
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rewrite each $a_i$ as $2^{k_i} \cdot b_i$ where $k_i$ is either 0 or 1

slim jackal
jolly parrotBOT
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1 divided by 0 equals Infinity

slim jackal
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If I explain it will be more complex

proper nova
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we only care the $i$ that $k_i = 1$, so with $i$ like those, we want to care that $b_i = a_j$ ($i \neq j$)

jolly parrotBOT
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1 divided by 0 equals Infinity

latent glen
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like any groups?

pearl pondBOT
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@latent glen Has your question been resolved?

proper nova
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im just trying to lay the foundation

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let me think more

pearl pondBOT
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@latent glen Has your question been resolved?

latent glen
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do groups like 1 2 4 8 16, 3 6 12, 5 10,.. work?

foggy scarab
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aight so if we write out all numbers from 1 to 17 and mark up pairs of a and b, we find that 9,11,13,15,17 are not in any pair so we can include them
this leaves us out with 8 pairs and from them we need 8 elements
once we write the pairs , we find that only pairs (5,10) and (7,14) have elements that are not common in any other pair, Hence we can select one element from each.

This leaves us with 6 pairs and we need 6 elements

But these pairs have common elements
In batch (3,6) and (6,12), we see that their is clearly 6 in common, so we can eleminate it and now we need 4 elements in the 4 pairs (1,2),(2,4),(4,8),(8,16)

However, on selecting one, the pairs with the selected elements get removed as we already selected a common element, leading us to getting only 2 elements from the 4 sets, leading to a maximum subset size of 11 elements

hence proved ig

latent glen
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the max subset size is 12...

foggy scarab
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ah mb

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yeah 12

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but proof is valid

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just hunt for the biggest set

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ig

latent glen
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okay i can move on to the other problems

foggy scarab
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🙏

latent glen
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it's a mix of many diff topics

foggy scarab
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where did u get this q from?

latent glen
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last ques in a model test

foggy scarab
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😮

latent glen
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anyways

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Find the minimum and maximum value of $S = \frac{m^2-2m+2}{m^2+2m+2}$.

jolly parrotBOT
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Thomas

foggy scarab
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you could take 1 out and differentiate

latent glen
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so that gives us $\frac{-4m}{m^2+2m+2}$

jolly parrotBOT
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Thomas

foggy scarab
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ye

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differentate and equate to 0

latent glen
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but how can we progress from here

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,w min(-4m/(m^2+2m+2))

foggy scarab
latent glen
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,w differentiation

foggy scarab
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hmmm

latent glen
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the first subquestion in this was proving that the equations always has two dinstinct roots and now we're here..

foggy scarab
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am not sure how we do it without differentiation tbh

latent glen
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<@&286206848099549185>

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,w min and max \frac{x^{2}-2x+2}{x^{2}+2x+2}

frank violet
latent glen
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i've just proven that every m can be used

frank violet
frank violet
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complete the square in the denom, that would help

latent glen
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(m+1)^2 + 1?

frank violet
frank violet
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you can see how for m<0, T>0

latent glen
sterile python
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This channel still on the pair thingy?

frank violet
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and m>0 , T<0

frank violet
sterile python
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Oo

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Which question then

frank violet
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We have already shown that min can't occur for m<0

sterile python
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Have you guys removed the denominator

frank violet
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Think of each number as a cursed energy flow
😭

sterile python
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Would be easier to progress

frank violet
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I'm sure how that help, but we didn't go that way

sterile python
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Oh okay

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Try your way then

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Since i think it would be nicer to make denominator eliminated, then set it into an inequality equationcatshrug

frank violet
warm patio
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just

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divide by m

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and use AM-GM

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just note that after divding by m we need to find the minimum/maximum of m + 2/m

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my bad

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amgm is only for positive

frank violet
frank violet
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It does

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We have shown that min only occur for m>0

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So we can use AM-GM now

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idk where OP is rn tho

warm patio
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oh so we are actually pretyt much done

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just see

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that the function is odd

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this m + 2/m

latent glen
warm patio
# latent glen wdym?

We had that the min occurs only when m > 0, similarly we can show that the max occurs when m < 0 from m + 2/m being odd we get the max by plugging in -x where x is the argument for the min.

warm patio
jolly parrotBOT
latent glen
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which gives us -4/(2*sqrt(2)+2)

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2 - 2*sqrt(2) for minimum value

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how do i get max tho

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@warm patio

warm patio
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first we need to show that the max is for m < 0

latent glen
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cauchy for two numbers work tho

warm patio
latent glen
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m + 2/m >= 2*sqrt(m x 2/m) = 2 sqrt(2)

warm patio
warm patio
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If you plug -x into f(x) = x + 2/x we get f(-x) = -x + 2/(-x) = -(x+2/x)

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so if we have some min (x+2/x) it will be the max of -(x+2/x)

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our x + 2/x looks like this

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maybe its easier to see on a graph

latent glen
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oooh ok

warm patio
latent glen
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last question for today

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Given a circle with center O and radius R, and a fixed chord BC. A is a point that varies on the major arc BC. CD and BE are altitudes. Let B' be the point symmetric to B with respect to E, and C' be the point symmetric to C with respect to D.
a) Prove that DE has a constant length.
b) The circumcircles of triangles ABB' and ACC' intersect at point K. Prove that K is the intersection of lines BC' and CB'.

c) Prove that K belongs to a fixed line and AK passes through a fixed point.

latent glen
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slim vigil
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You should start a new channel for a new question

latent glen
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oh ok

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getting late now

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somber night
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im sorry dude i think no one rly understand the question

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im not good in this field of math so i cant rly help im sorry , i hope someone can help u though maybe ping mods

merry carbon
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No, don't ping us for this please SCsadkittyNO

slow oak
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the mods are not picked on the basis of mathematical ability

merry carbon
lilac jackal
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pls ping us for server issues or queries, not math help

merry carbon
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Not your fault SChug just remember that for next time

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supple hill
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Can you explain more where is your question and what you tried?

pearl mauve
supple hill
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Think about the fact that your figure is not a complete circle, but a sector of a larger regular polygon.

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We would better use this formula since in your problem, that curve is made of n_2 straight segments of length s. The line below has n_1 segments of length s.

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Yes.

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Yes, but to find it you need to isolate theta.

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You are right, you have it!

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Okay, now that we've solved the problem, here are the formulas I would use for a problem like this:
Find $\theta$: $1 = \sin(\theta) / \sin(\theta/2) \implies \theta = 120^\circ$. Then, Calculate X: $X = 180^\circ - 120^\circ = \mathbf{60^\circ}$. Finally, Calculate Y: $Y = 90^\circ - \frac{(2-1)120^\circ}{2} = 90^\circ - 60^\circ = \mathbf{30^\circ}$.

I used the coefficients given in this problem.

jolly parrotBOT
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Ga³¹Br³⁵I⁵³9000✞

supple hill
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We can find both, and we use theta as a centre angle.

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It's complex to explain, the point is that as we have observed, if you use the formula, you find theta and you can then find the angles.

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Do you understand it better?

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Yes. How we can get that?

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Right. Use that.

supple hill
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With the angular change formula.

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Do you remeber?

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interior angle=180∘−Δθ

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Yes.

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No, because 90*4 are: 360, right?

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Sorry, you're right, it's only for each individual vertex.

somber night
brisk lynx
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square root of 156?

brisk lynx
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im 8th grade

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whats a prime actor and factor

robust oar
pearl pondBOT
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@odd prism Has your question been resolved?

sand dagger
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And a factor is...just any factor

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😢 Mb bro

sterile python
pearl pondBOT
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@odd prism Has your question been resolved?

jolly parrotBOT
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Civil Service Pigeon

dense jasper
dense jasper
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hmmcat are you sure that this is well posed

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You can scale it up so that all of the segments have length 1

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my point still stands

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oh I'm a muppet I connected them in the wrong order

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hold on

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So did you mean to say that the segments that make up "line" B cannot be self-intersecting

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These angles are all between 0 and 180 degrees. So I'm asking again - are you trying to say that the segments in line B cannot be self intersecting?

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because your phrasing is very hard to follow at the moment

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ok

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please try to make sure that the questions you ask have all of the relevant details

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\textbf{Updated Question Statement}:
\begin{tcolorbox}
Consider two paths in a plane composed of segments of equal length. Path $A$, consisting of $n_1$ segments, remains perfectly straight. Path $B$, consisting of $n_2$ segments, bends such that every interior angle between adjacent segments is a uniform value $X$. \

The endpoints of the longer path ($B$) coincide with the endpoints of the shorter straight path ($A$). The interior angles formed at the two points where these paths intersect are also uniform, denoted as $Y$. \

Given that $n_1$ and $n_2$ are positive integers such that $n_1 < n_2 < \infty$, and assuming Path $B$ does not intersect itself, determine the values of angles $X$ and $Y$ in terms of $n_1$ and $n_2$.
\end{tcolorbox}

jolly parrotBOT
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Civil Service Pigeon

dense jasper
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So is this what you meant

dense jasper
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I don't feel like culling through the entire chat, so I'm just going to give my commentary from the start: \

Without loss of generality, assume that each segment has length $1$. Let the turning angle of path $B$ be $\alpha \coloneqq 180-X$. Because all of the interior angles of $B$ are equal, each step of the chain turns by the same amount $\alpha$. Since the two endpoint angles with the straight path $A$ are equal to $Y$, we have that
$$2Y=(n_2-1)\alpha \implies Y=\frac{n_2-1}{2} \alpha.$$
The distance between the endpoints is precisely $n_1$, so
$$n_1=\frac{\sin \left(\frac{n_2 \alpha}{2} \right)}{\sin \left(\frac{\alpha}{2} \right)}.$$
Equivalently, in terms of $X$ and $Y$,
$$n_1=\frac{\sin \left(\frac{n_2}{n_2-1} Y \right)}{\sin \left(\frac{Y}{n_2-1} \right)}, \qquad X=180^{\circ}-\frac{2Y}{n_2-1}.$$
However, except for very special cases (such as when you get a regular hexagon), the values are not "nice" and cannot be easily found in closed form because the equation is transcendental (the equation is not algebraic). In cases like this, you would normally resort to numeric approximation. If you have a decent starting guess, Newton's method works. You could also do bisection on $\alpha$ if you don't have a good initial guess since
$$\frac{\sin \left(\frac{n_2 \alpha}{2} \right)}{\sin \left(\frac{\alpha}{2} \right)}-n_1$$
has the relevant root in and is well-behaved on the interval $\alpha \in (0,2\pi/n_2)$ (note that the total curvature $n_2 \alpha$ must be less than $360^{\circ}$ for path $B$ to not intersect itself).

I should say that you can also write the answer in terms of the definition of the Chebyshev polynomial of the second kind: If you let $\theta \coloneqq \alpha/2$, then your equation becomes
$$U_{n_2-1} (\cos \theta)=n_1$$
meaning that your angle is determined by the real root $x \in (-1,1)$ of $U_{n_2-1}(x)=n_1$, and then $\alpha=2 \arccos x$.

jolly parrotBOT
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Civil Service Pigeon

dense jasper
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anyway that's all I rlly have to say

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imma go eat now

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wooden flare
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whats the way to like "show" a function is a one-to-one function or not?

supple hill
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Think about x.

wooden flare
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the way the textbook has us do it is to show: f(x) = f(y) and end up with x = y

green aurora
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Assume f(x1)=f(x2)->x1=x2

wooden flare
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so if i end up with anything but x = y, the function is not one-to-one right?

green aurora
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Example : 3x_1+2=3x_2+3 -> x_1=x_2

wooden flare
green aurora
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I made it clearer

wooden flare
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that does look better

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or just use x and y

green aurora
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Yes

wooden flare
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just preference

green aurora
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Yes

supple hill
wooden flare
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wait. so is f(x) = 1/(x+3) one-to-one?

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do the asymptotes mean anything?

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bc i do get x = y, but is doesn't look right idk

supple hill
wooden flare
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i did

supple hill
wooden flare
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x=y

supple hill
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It’s one-to-one.

green aurora
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Its correct

wooden flare
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yea, but idk it doesn't "feel" right bc of the asymptotes

green aurora
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,w graph 1/(x+3)

jolly parrotBOT
green aurora
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Graphically function one-to-one : it must pass the horizontal line test, intersecting only once.

wooden flare
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doesn't it intersect at pos infinity and neg infinity?

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so it has two intersections?

green aurora
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Infinity Is not a Number

supple hill
green aurora
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Then

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A + and - ∞ the function ->0

wooden flare
supple hill
wooden flare
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that makes more sense

supple hill
wooden flare
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bc it never equals 0, so a line drawn horizontally will never cross the "other side of the function"

wooden flare
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that makes sense

supple hill
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Do you have more questions?

wooden flare
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and now how would you show that: f(x) = x^n + x for n>0 is not one-to-one. would you state a case for n where it is not true, and hence it is not one-to-one for all n

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because i dont believe showing f(x) = f(y) => x=y is possible for this question?

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in general case for n rather than n = some constant

supple hill
grave mirage
supple hill
grave mirage
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If it's piecewise check the ranges of individual fxn

grave mirage
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But if you end up anything besides x=y, it's not one to one

supple hill
grave mirage
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try doing this with f(x)= e^x+x

pearl pondBOT
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@wooden flare Has your question been resolved?

wooden flare
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sorry, had to do a thing rq

supple hill
wooden flare
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im going through it atm

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if n=1, its oto. i assume if n=2 its not oto

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for for n=2k+1, f(x) is oto, and for n=2k, f(x) is not oto

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is my assumption, but ill see

supple hill
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You get it.

wooden flare
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hm, i mean. i still gotta prove it tho no?

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so for n=2, i end up with: x(x+1) = y(y+1) how do i progress from here

supple hill
grave mirage
supple hill
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Yes, factor and move to one side.

wooden flare
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x^2 - y^2 = y - x?

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so (x+y)(x-y) = y-x

grave mirage
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No what?

grave mirage
wooden flare
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x^2 + x = y^2 + y ==> x^2 - y^2 = y - x

grave mirage
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Right

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I'd advise to bring everything to lhs

wooden flare
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soo x^2 - y^2 -y + x = 0

grave mirage
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also use completing the squares

wooden flare
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ok ill try from here

grave mirage
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But here it works either way

supple hill
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Yeah, when you have that, you can continue.

wooden flare
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idk how do this with 2 variables...

wooden flare
grave mirage
wooden flare
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i know how to CTS but with 2 variables idk what im doing

grave mirage
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What's your general f(x)?

wooden flare
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x^n + x

grave mirage
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Okk

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Yeah don't complete the square then

grave mirage
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wooden flare
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.reopen

supple hill
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You can have on one side the letters with n and on the other the letters without.

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grave mirage
wooden flare
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so: x^2 + x = (x+1/2) ^2 - 1/4

grave mirage
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Yeah

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But this will only be usefull for n=2

wooden flare
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yea

grave mirage
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Even then it's just better to factor

grave mirage
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Do you know differentiation?

wooden flare
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yea

grave mirage
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Ok so

grave mirage
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And the derivative is always greater than or equal to 0

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OR

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always less than or equal to 0

supple hill
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That's it.

grave mirage
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Use this for x^n + x

wooden flare
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... wha

grave mirage
wooden flare
grave mirage
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If a fxn is both increasing and decreasing

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There has to be a point

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Where the fxn went from increasing to decreasing

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Do you get that idea?

wooden flare
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a point of inflection right?

grave mirage
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Critical point

wooden flare
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or that

supple hill
grave mirage
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A function doesn't go from increasing to decreasing on an inflection point

grave mirage
wooden flare
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so set f'(x) = 0?

grave mirage
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Yeah

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That works

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No

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Actually

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Set

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f'(x)≥0

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Or f'(x)≤0

wooden flare
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hmm ok, lemme try

grave mirage
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And see if it holds

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If it does, you have an one to one

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If it doesn't, it isn't a one to one

wooden flare
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this looks harder to solve no? x^(n-1) >= -1/n

grave mirage
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Nope

grave mirage
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When n is even or odd

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What's the domain on n?

wooden flare
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wait 1sec

grave mirage
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Huh?

wooden flare
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n {R\{0}}

grave mirage
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It's in the set of real numbers?

wooden flare
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yea

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i dont have the stuff to type it out atm

grave mirage
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I thought it was natural

wooden flare
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cant it be any number?

grave mirage
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What's given

wooden flare
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its not a discrete function right?

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its just n>0 is our condition for this qustion

grave mirage
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Well it wouldn't be either ways

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x is not discrete

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fxn is in terms of x not n

grave mirage
wooden flare
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no

grave mirage
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Can you show the original question?

wooden flare
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question 2

grave mirage
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x^3+x is definitely one to one what do they mean 🥀

supple hill
grave mirage
wooden flare
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yea it is wrong

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like this textbook is cooked 😭

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thats def not one-to-one (trust)

grave mirage
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🥀

wooden flare
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lemme check the answer rq

grave mirage
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Also it becomes veryyy complicated if you take n in R

supple hill
grave mirage
wooden flare
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guys guys

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this textbook is ragebait

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the answer is proof

grave mirage
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😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

supple hill
grave mirage
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Proof by proof

wooden flare
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so would we just prove, if n is odd f(x) is oto, and if n is even f(x) is not oto

grave mirage
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Yeah

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But n is given in R

wooden flare
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R+ \{0}

grave mirage
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So you'd have to first see if it is rational or irrational

wooden flare
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i assume its only discrete n

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bc what is x^2.7 even mean

grave mirage
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So {N}

wooden flare
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more than likely yea

grave mirage
grave mirage
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We just look at natural numbers

wooden flare
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ive already shown for n=1, x=y. for n=2 im stuck on (x+1/2)^2 - (y+1/2)^2 = 0

grave mirage
wooden flare
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oh yea that does work here

supple hill
wooden flare
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ok so

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x=-y -1 or x=y

grave mirage
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So if x+y=-1, the equality still holds, thus it is not one to one

wooden flare
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since it has one case where its not oto, then the entire thing isnt oto right

grave mirage
grave mirage
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But yes

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It it's even one

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It's not

wooden flare
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so thats for odd and even, now we extend it to general cases? if n=2k+1 and n=2k

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or do we not need to do that in this case

supple hill
wooden flare
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that makes sense

supple hill
wooden flare
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the others seem doable

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i hope

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tysm for the help!

supple hill
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🙂

wooden flare
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graceful marsh
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This is a solved example from a textbook and i dont quite understand the solution given in the textbook

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and i don't know where to begin

wary bane
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well since they're rationals, my approach would be to use that

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although that might not help

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without further context / book solution its hard for me to tell what you are or aren't allowed to use

crimson veldt
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the key fact is that { 1, p^(1/3),p^(2/3) } are linearly independent over Q

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which followes from the minimal polynomial of p^(1/3)

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since p is not a perfect cube

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x^3-p is is irreducible over Q

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if factored it would have a rational root

graceful marsh
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that sounds like very advanced math

crimson veldt
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thus some rational q with q^3=p which contradicts p not being a perfect cube

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can u show the solution from the textbook?

graceful marsh
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This is the solution given in the textbook

wary bane
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so you need to use viete's identities to solve this

graceful marsh
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sorry i am unfamiliar with those

wary bane
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that's what that solution looks like its using to me? maybe not

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oh no its not, mb

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I mean - I follow what the solution is doing, but are you stuck trying to understand it
or worried you wouldn't be able to come up with it on your own

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Which bit don't you understand

crimson veldt
# graceful marsh This is the solution given in the textbook

so (1) is the og equation ,multiply through by p^(1/3) to get (2). so it's shifting each term up by one power
hen bx(1) - cx(2) is an elimination.it removes the p^(2/3) terms and leaves you with only p^(1/3) and rational numbers in equation (3)
since sine p^(1/3) is irrational the only way (3) holds is if both coefficients are 0 independently..so b^2 - ac =0 and ab = c^2p

graceful marsh
wary bane
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which part

graceful marsh
crimson veldt
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so we got
c^4p^2=a^2b^2=a^3c, if c!=0 you can divide through and get p^2=a^3/c^3, meaning p^(2/3)=a/c is rational, which forces p^(1/3) to be rational too

graceful marsh
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i think the b*(1) - c*(2) part was confusing me

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but it is irrational, so every cofficient must have been 0?

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wary bane
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they are equating coefficients on 2 sides of a polynomial equation

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since the rhs is the 0 polynomial, all coefficients on the lhs must equal 0

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hmm

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thanks yall

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i need help understanding this task i have due

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Maths methods here? Wow

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Basically derivatives

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yes

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i dont get the 25-30s bit?

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mhm

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am i basically sketching a time-displacement graph

sterile python
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Yes

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You need to find h(t) and derivatives

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Acceleration and velocity too

tawdry charm
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no integration?

sterile python
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No i dont see anything that need integration

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I havent done a method assignment ever, i did double specialist only

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it says vertically up and down twice each, uh how am i supposed to do that? with like four different functions thata re going to differ

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idk im really dumb at math ahhh

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First you might need to find max height and min height

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Note that 10% taller sth and 20% lower sth there

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You could construct a function on desmos that starts at lowest point (lowest height?)

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Go up twice, down twice? What does this suggest about polynomial structure? Quartic, cubic, or more?

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Include that in function formula as well

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Question 3 pls

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u dont need to calculate tough

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!nosols

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somber night
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on the right

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🙂

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b3

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somber night
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cz if not just imagine the unit circle going 180 degrees to the left

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like a pendelum

crimson veldt
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uhm

somber night
crimson veldt
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why do i get a different result

somber night
crimson haven
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Mines wrong

crimson veldt
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wait a sec cause im on phone

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how did that turn to that?

crimson veldt
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they got the demoninator wrong i think

crimson haven
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Yes I just realized

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Tysm

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Pls help me with question c

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I found Ira angle but idk what else to do

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nice bunny

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No

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wait

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!noans

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damn it

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!nosols

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dude, guide her to the answer

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don't just show it at once

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ah

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mb

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no problem man

crimson haven
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Oops wrong questions

crimson haven
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How do I do d2)

prisma kernel
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well sin^2(pi + theta) = cos^2(theta), and 1 - cos^(theta) = sin^2(theta)

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crimson haven
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But it says 17

prisma kernel
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wait, you squared it, so it should be just -8 - 9

prisma kernel
crimson haven
prisma kernel
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(-3)^2 becomes 9, so it's just -8 - 9, and not -8 - (-9)

crimson haven
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Oh I did it wrong

crimson haven
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How do I do question f pls

prisma kernel
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god okay let me think properly

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okay okay, so sin(alpha) is positive and lies in second or third quadrant, but sine is positive so we know it lies in second quadrant

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similarly, cos(beta) is negative and lies in first or second quadrant, but cosine is negative so we know it lies in second quadrant too

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so, alpha and beta are both in second quadrant

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now, what is cos(pi + alpha)?

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@crimson haven

crimson haven
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Wdym cos (pi +alpha)

prisma kernel
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ahhh, you can say cos(180 + alpha)

crimson haven
prisma kernel
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okay nice, so it's just -cos(alpha)

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and tan(180 + beta) [hint : if you don't know it directly, convert it into sin/cos and then find it]

prisma kernel
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correct

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okay, so it's just tan(beta) - cos(alpha)

crimson haven
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Oh

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Wow

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blobcry I sunk at thinking

prisma kernel
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where they both are negative because alpha and beta are both in second quadrant, and cos and tan are negative in second quadrant

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so yeah, just convert sin(alpha) into cos(alpha) {use the negative value of cos}, and convert cos(beta) into tan(beta) {use the negative value of tan, convert cos into sec, and then apply tan^(beta) = sqrt(sec^2(beta) - 1)}

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How do we see invariant subspace in rotation?

pseudo oxide
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invariant = doesn't change

frank urchin
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x axis

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y axis

pseudo oxide
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i.e., after rotating it, the subspace stays the exact same

frank urchin
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??

pseudo oxide
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nope

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try again

frank urchin
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(0,0)?

pseudo oxide
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it needs to be a 1 dimensional subspace

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are there any other vectors, apart from the 0 vector, that are invariant under rotation

frank urchin
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I guess there is none

pseudo oxide
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correct!

frank urchin
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a line which is rotated 90°

pseudo oxide
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therefore how many 1 dimensional subspaces are there

frank urchin
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0

pseudo oxide
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won't remain the same

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yes,

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there are none

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precisely

frank urchin
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If i change the degree

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180 or 360 like

pseudo oxide
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?

frank urchin
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Rotation when 180° or 360°

pseudo oxide
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ah, yes

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then there are indeed invariant subspaces, but notice that rotation by 360 is just the identity matrix

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and rotation by 180 is the negative of the identity matrix

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By 180° can we make any invariant subspaces?

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R^2 is an invariant subspace

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Question f

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How do Ik which too use

somber night
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wdym by wich

crimson haven
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Idk if I’m to use the values

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And how

toxic remnant
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can you simplify cos(180+alpha) and tan(180+beta)

crimson haven
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No?

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Wait wdym

supple hill
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<@&268886789983436800>

crimson haven
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Oop

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toxic remnant
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no but it'll be easier to see

wary bane
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the point of the question is to surely use CAST to figure out the sign

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/ correct quadrant

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you're told sin a = 3/5

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what quadrant must angle a be in?

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given this information

crimson haven
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1st or 2nd

wary bane
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yes

toxic remnant
wary bane
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but then you're also told this

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so what quadrant is angle a?

crimson haven
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2nd or third

wary bane
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yes but combining the 2 pieces of information together

crimson haven
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Second

wary bane
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ok do the same for beta

crimson haven
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1st

wary bane
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doubt it

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cos is not negative in the first quadrant

crimson haven
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Oh yeah mb

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End of third quadrant

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2nd

wary bane
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its in the 2nd quadrant

crimson haven
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Ok

wary bane
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so they're both in the 2nd quadrant

crimson haven
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Oki

wary bane
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that should then help you simplify the expression then.

crimson haven
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Not rl
Y

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Not rlly

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Is implied the cow(180+a) +tam(1+b)

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Bit idk what else to do

wary bane
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if you add 180 degrees to an angle in the 2nd quadrant

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which quadrant does it end up in

crimson haven
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Third

wary bane
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4th

crimson haven
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Huh

wary bane
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adding 180 degrees is like going from 10 o clock to 4 o clock

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on a clock

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?

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10 11 o clock are in the 2nd quadrant

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4 5 o clock are in the 4th quadrant

crimson haven
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My teacher taught as to start at 180 and add by one

wary bane
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???

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No: I'm asking

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given angle alpha and beta are in the 2nd quadrant

crimson haven
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Huh

wary bane
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if you add 180 degrees to either of them

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where is the angle after?

crimson haven
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Why are we adding 180

wary bane
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because look at the question

crimson haven
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I still don’t get it

wary bane
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do you understand why i'm asking you which quadrant 180 + a is in?

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or not.

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you need to know in order to figure out whats the sign of cos(180 + a)

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So first we establish where α and β are, because that gives us an idea about their sign
And then we want to establish where (α+180) and (β+180) are

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Because +180 is just moving by two quadrants

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Aka half a cycle

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We know that the unit cycle has four quadrants, each quadrant has certain properties i.e cos and sin being positive/negative

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That's usually the visual approach, it's also the easier to understand

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||You can also think of it as cos (α+π) which should be an identity, but I suggest following the previous approach||

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Try to draw a unit circle and plug random values of α and β that follow the condition, and then add 180°

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One way to do that is to draw a line connecting that angle α or β with the center of the circle, and check where it intersects with the other side

crimson haven
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The thing is

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Is don’t understand moving by 180

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It’s different to what I was taught

cosmic sinew
crimson haven
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Yes

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But what I mean is that my teach made as start from 180

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And move forward once

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So I’d move form the second to the third quadrant

wild wren
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That's pretty much what it means to move 180°

wary bane
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(from the first quadrant)

wild wren
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Yes that's just a clarification of what moving 180° means, regardless of where your initial angle is

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So in this example, α was in the 1st quadrant, we can see that (α+180) is in the 3rd quadrant

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Clear enough?

crimson haven
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No

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Why did it mov 180

cosmic sinew
# wild wren

its simply wherever you are you reach the opposite quadrant

crimson haven
wild wren
wild wren
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crimson haven
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It moved backwards

wary bane
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aka if theta is in quadrant 1

wild wren
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But what if θ is not in the first quadrant?

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How can we adjust

wild wren
# crimson haven

@crimson haven I think a good way to go about this is: try to think why this was made

crimson haven
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Ok

wild wren
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Why theta +180 was there

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And why theta - 180

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Oh and remember that those are just degrees, and that adding a degree is basically a rotation

crimson haven
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For these my teacher makes as start on the lines

wild wren
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So adding 180 is just turning around

cosmic sinew
# crimson haven

theta is acute, so it lies between [0,90] if you add 180 + theta it will range from 180 +0 <= 180 +theta<= 180+ 90
180<= 180+theta <=270 which you can see is the 3rd quadrant
consider case where theta is >90 but < 180
as you can see the bounds change again and you moveto the 4th qyadrant

180 + 90 < 180 +theta< 180+180
270 <180 +theta< 360

crimson haven
cosmic sinew
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UTE?

crimson haven
cosmic sinew
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acute angle means theta lie in 1st quadrant or 0< theta < 90

crimson haven
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Ok

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ts looks so hart

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hard

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😭

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It is

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I have to go tho

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yo

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not sure how to do b

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this is how far i got

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is this an A-level paper by any chance?

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this is the only question in this paper that i didnt understand

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and its 3 marks

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is this normal or futher? which exam board?

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ah

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apply that the line l passes through the origin

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so y = mx and not +c ig

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m = the thing u got in part a

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ig

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use the non-derivative way to get the slope

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to show something is the solution i suppose u need the factor theorem?

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no

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(), but yes

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basic slope formula

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using P and 0,0?

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im finding expectation given a geometric distribution, and i got my hands on a summation of a^x/x. how do i proceed?

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im unsure what limits to put into the highlighted part if i int wrt x, or if i just use t instead then after swapping int and sum idk how to change the limits of summation to fit the needs of sth thats written wrt t

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Ga³¹Br³⁵I⁵³9000✞

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so now its this

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i dont know how to swap summation and integral in this form

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well idk even in the form of sum(int(x dx)) neither when it comes to the integration limits but thats for later

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first one looks like typical geometric sequence but i cant use it

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cuz id need to separate the front part from the back then

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Ga³¹Br³⁵I⁵³9000✞

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Right?

safe prairie
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if this happens itd be nice but idk if thats what we are looking for

supple hill
safe prairie
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idk what that is

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taking out a constant?

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to take out a constant id need a - or + to appear in my summation

supple hill
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alternately you can sub (1-p) = u then use the taylor series for ln(1-u) change the index for n = x+1

safe prairie
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wait no by then itd have already been separated

safe prairie
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should i have remembered the taylor series form for lnx then

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i never remembered any

cosmic sinew
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you can use the way they suggested

safe prairie
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i dont understand their way yet

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$$\frac{1}{x+1} = \int_0^1 t^x , dt$$

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Ga³¹Br³⁵I⁵³9000✞

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working on it

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ok yeah i do its just power rule

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like this?

supple hill
safe prairie
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how does that work

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the mess i put before int is not a constant

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wait i should check my work again

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i got here, which is cleaner then my first photos i think

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but with taylor series i got this what i think should be a final answer

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cosmic sinew
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this does not feel right what happened here?

supple hill
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I think you missed a negative sign in Taylor.

safe prairie
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Subject is (1-p) instead of t
Or must I use t to make swapping possible

cosmic sinew
supple hill
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Do you see it better now?

safe prairie
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No cuz even if it’s t the summation concerns x instead

cosmic sinew
safe prairie
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So it’s fine
But still from double int I learnt that swapping order means redefining bounds

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Uh afk

cosmic sinew
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sorry

safe prairie
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cuz at this stage int wrt t and sum wrt x does feel like two unknowns

safe prairie
supple hill
safe prairie
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oh alr

supple hill
safe prairie
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better now

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my first mistake is making int t^x wrt x instead of wrt t, and swapping like this doesnt need to change bounds

safe prairie
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but last question, now ik sum(int(x)dx)) can be swapped, what about sum(x int(x)dx))?

supple hill
safe prairie
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sum(t int(x dx)wrt t) works, but sum(x int(x dx)wrt x) doesnt?

supple hill
safe prairie
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Maybe sumt(t int(x dx)) is clearer, so this can become int(t sumt(x)dx)??

Then sumt(x) just multiplies x by range of t, and int whatever dx would look off

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Then looks like it’s still impossible

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I recommend you use the x for the sum and t for the integral.

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What have you done

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Please no

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I am asking what have he done, not to teach him now

sterile python
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We need to know what he up to yet

lament eagle
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Thank you

cosmic sinew
sterile python
lament eagle
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I'll use the Pythagorean theorem to do this

lament eagle
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AD² = 3 -> AD √3cm

subtle crow
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No no

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That would make it lengthy

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You see, finding the area of the rest of stuff will be complex

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I'd say you're better off doing this

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First find the initial volume of the cone (before stuff was removed). I believe you can do that. Then, find the volume of the cylinder removed. Now,
Final volume = initial volume - volume of cylinder

lament eagle
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Understand it now

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Thank you

sterile python
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No he did correct, he got AD

lament eagle
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smoky gull
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A person has 6 friends and during a certain vacation he met them during several dinners. He found that he dined with all 6 exactly on one day, with every 5 of them on 2 days, with every 4 of them on 3 days, with every 3 of them on 4 days, with every 2 on 5 days. Further every friend was present at 7 dinners and every friend was absent at 7 dinners. The number of dinner he had alone is equal to?

sterile python
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What do you think? What have you done?

smoky gull
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!status

pearl pondBOT
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5. I have a question about someone else's work/solution.
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smoky gull
sterile python
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Let N be total number of dinner

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Sk is sum of the number of days he dined with a specific combination of k friends

smoky gull
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no i think number of dinners is given in question i just know what it may be

sterile python
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The number of ways to choose k friends from 6 is 6ck right

smoky gull
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hm

sterile python
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But 6 friends

smoky gull
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@sterile python i appreciate it but please stick to 1-2channel at a time else other helpers might assume you are currenty helping me

sterile python
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I am bro

smoky gull
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K sorry then

sterile python
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So you need at least 2 friends to dine with

smoky gull
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no only 1 is also fine

sterile python
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So you take 6C6+6c5+...6c2 is total of ways to find k

cosmic sinew
sterile python
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N=7+7 where absent and present meals

smoky gull
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okay and?

sterile python
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Now find s1

smoky gull
sterile python
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Yes

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We know each of the 6 friends was present at 7 dinners right

smoky gull
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yeah

supple hill
rough forge
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I thought you were @rigid mist

sterile python
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Then s1 is sum of dinners of each people attend

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6*7=42

smoky gull
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oh wait nvm yeah okay go on

sterile python
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Then use Principle of Inclusion-Exclusion

smoky gull
cosmic sinew
smoky gull
rough forge
smoky gull
sterile python
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Try

smoky gull
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I tried

supple hill
sterile python
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P=S1-s2+s3 -s4+s5-s6

smoky gull
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just checked again

sterile python
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Correct

smoky gull
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yeah butanswer isnt 1

sterile python
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Now find dinners alone

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Huh

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Thats bs

smoky gull
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yeak ikr

supple hill
sterile python
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Then idk theoretically its 1

supple hill
smoky gull
vestal tapir
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i don't get it

sterile python
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Get what

vestal tapir
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like i can assume 2 days includes the 6-friends day, so there was only one day where he met 5 specific people

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it still means some person went to 6 dinners already

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how can it add up to 7

supple hill
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It can be clearly to see what happened.

smoky gull
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yeah gimme a sec to type it out in notes using latex it

frank violet
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if it's not exactly 5

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Then when you meet all 6 of them you also meet 5 of them and that's counted as 1

vestal tapir
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it's just nonsensical

smoky gull
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Let At,t=1,2,3,4,5,6 be the set of days on which the friend is present at dinner & Bt be the set of days on which friend is absent at dinner
Then
|At|=|Bt|=7

Also
∣∣Ai∩Aj∣∣=5,∣∣Ai∩Aj∩Ak∣∣=4∣∣Ai∩Aj∩Ak∩Aℓ∣∣=3,∣∣Ai∩Aj∩Ak∩Aℓ∩Am∣∣=2
& |A1∩A2∩A3∩A4∩A5∩A6|=1
Where i,j,k,ℓ,m vary from 1 to 6& distinct number of days/dinners at which at least one friend was present =|A1∪A2∪A3∪A4∪A5∪A6|
∑|Ai|−∑∣∣Ai∩Aj∣∣+∑∣∣Ai∩Aj∩Ak∣∣−∑∣∣Ai∩Aj∩Ak∩Aℓ∣∣+∑∣∣Ai∩Aj∩Ak∩Am∣∣−∣A1∩A2∩…..=6C1×7−6C2×5+6C3×4−6C4×3+6C5×2−6C6×1=13
Total number of dinners =|At|+|Bt|=14

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Aw frick

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one sec lemme find a latex software

sterile python
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Fuckass alien language

supple hill
vestal tapir
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oh wait so
with every 4 of them on 3 days is just covered already we ignore that

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i don;t get it anyway

smoky gull
smoky gull
sterile python
smoky gull
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Tryna keepit family friendlu,y

supple hill
smoky gull
supple hill
smoky gull
vestal tapir
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i don't understand anything

supple hill
smoky gull
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the answer is wrong😭😭

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its not 1

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what?

supple hill
vestal tapir
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basically there was 7 dinners, and everyone missed one dinner
so then he had 1 one on one with each one, so everyone missed 7

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so it's 0