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minor cliff
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Wait so S_N doesn't equal zero?

gritty rose
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the partial sums are not zero, no

minor cliff
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The Nth Partial sum would be
1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 and so on right..?

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Alright so let me get this straight

gritty rose
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probably yes

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it would have been defined in part a) or earlier

minor cliff
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Part a had like an entire different thing going on, cause the series ended up being different

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Yeah it was two example problems

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But wait lemme get this straight

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To find out that S_(2N) = S(N)
You'd group the terms by two and what I mean by that is you put the paranthesis around them like the way you said.
Next, you find the Nth partial sum, and it turns out to be a sequence that seems to be clearly approaching infinity

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So....

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How do you find S_(2N) ?

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Do you just multiply that Nth Partial sum by two ?

gritty rose
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S_(2N) is the sum of the first 2N terms

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2 * S_N would be multiplying the Nth partial sum by 2

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S_(2*2) = S_4 = 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4

minor cliff
gritty rose
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2N = 2 times N

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continue the pattern

minor cliff
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So (2/1 - 1/1) counts as one term ?

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cause im doing the simple math and S_(2N)

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does not equal it

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Wait what???

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Thats not it either, what do you mean?

They say that (a_n) approaches zero, as n --> Infinity
Next they say they can argue that S_(2N) is equal to the Nth Partial Sum

So this is saying that
2/1 - 1/1 + 2/2 - 1/2 + 2/3 - 1/3 + 2/4 - 1/4 + ....
is equal to
(2/1 - 1/1) + (2/2 - 1/2) + (2/3 - 1/3) + (2/4 - 1/4) + ....

????

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Oh and they both equal 2.083 + ....

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Is that what they mean?

minor cliff
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Ohhhh

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So it's saying that

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(2/1 - 1/1) + (2/2 - 1/2) + (2/3 - 1/3) + (2/4 - 1/4) + ....
is equal to THE divergent harmonic series
like THE literal Nth Partial sum of the divergent harmonic series
because that divergent harmonic series is easily recognized as (1/n) correct.

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Because (1/n) would be like saying
1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + 1/5 + .... is a divergent series, therefore this S_(2N) partial sum is a divergent sequence, and then we can conclude the series diverges.

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So this pretty much is what it's saying right

gritty rose
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i don't think you know what partial sum means

minor cliff
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bro is that wrong

gritty rose
minor cliff
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I mean it makes sense from my pov, cause that sigma of (1/n) is literally a divergent harmonic series

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that has to be what they're saying no ?

gritty rose
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S_N is always a finite sum

minor cliff
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Right

gritty rose
minor cliff
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and Im saying that S_(2N) is in other words simplified to 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + .....

gritty rose
minor cliff
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Right

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Just like the n in our example here is 1/n is infinity my fault

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I mean

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infinity

gritty rose
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1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + .....
the ellipses is implies the sum goes on forever

minor cliff
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Right, so

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what im saying is

gritty rose
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the partial sums of the harmonic series, S_N, is equal to 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + ... + 1/N

minor cliff
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Is equal to this

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right yes or no

gritty rose
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finite means the sum does not go on to infinity

minor cliff
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Alright

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Then we can say that.

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If we were to put parentheses around these consecutive terms

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As the way you described

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This would equal to..

minor cliff
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Therefore it is divergent right.

gritty rose
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you're still confusing partial sums with infinite sums

gritty rose
minor cliff
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I put the dots there tho

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minor cliff
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well I mean Keep in mind I didn't put 1/N for (S_2N) because thats how the problem gave it to me, it gave it as a sequence of numbers

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like it literally left it as + ...

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wait

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Right

minor cliff
gritty rose
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what is "it"

minor cliff
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S_N

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If S_N isn't finite

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then it's divergent correct

gritty rose
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finite sums are finite

minor cliff
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Right.

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And if it isnt.

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Then.....

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It's divergent right.

gritty rose
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i don't know what you're talking about anymore

minor cliff
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That's a question btw

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I think you helped me solve my problem we just got lost in what answer we were both looking for

Mine was to argue that this alternating series diverges by saying S_(2N) is equal to S__(N)
And thanks to you I figured out that, the text was basically saying that..

the partial sums of the harmonic series ( 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + ... + 1/N ) is equal to to..
(2/1 - 1/1) + (2/2 - 1/2) + (2/3 - 1/3) + (2/4 - 1/4) + ...

So we can say (2/1 - 1/1) + (2/2 - 1/2) + (2/3 - 1/3) + (2/4 - 1/4) + ... + 1/N = S_(2N)

Therefore the argument S_(2N) equaling S__(N) can be used to show that this series is divergent.

austere cove
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I don't think this argument holds water.

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Consider (a_n) = (0, 1, 0, 1/2, 0, 1/4, 0, 1/8, ...)

Clearly, this sum over all members of the sequence S_N = 2. Additionally, the sum over all even numbers of this sequence is S_2N = 2.

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So we cannot conclude merely on the basis that S_N = S_2N that the series is divergent

minor cliff
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I mean I don't know how else to word it then, cause like the book says it can be 'argued' that the series is divergent with the nth partial sum of the divergent harmonic series S_N = S_2N

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Perhaps it is flawed, and maybe they went along with it cause for that problem in particular it works..?

Or am I just not understanding it correctly in the way I'm suppose to from their perspective/method/fking wtv.

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Might have something to do with the direct comparison test, is what I assumed.

austere cove
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So, the standard way to prove that the harmonic series diverges is as follows:

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1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ...

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Take 1, and 1/2. Set them aside.

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Now consider 1/3 + 1/4

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These are all ≥ 1/4 so we have 1/3 + 1/4 ≥ 2/4 = 1/2

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We have guaranteed that the sum is larger than 2 at this point.

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Now consider 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8

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These are all ≥ 1/8 so we have 1/5 + 1/6 + 1/7 + 1/8 ≥ 4/8 = 1/2

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We have guaranteed that the sum is larger than 2.5 at this point.

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Now consider 1/9 + 1/10 + ... + 1/16

minor cliff
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so its an infinite number right

austere cove
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What now from this point?

minor cliff
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well if its not finite then its got to be divergent right?

austere cove
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So for a series to be divergent, what we really establish is not that it becomes infinite at any specific value. Just that for any sum we specify it grows larger than that

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So let's say I wanted to prove that this series diverges

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I say to you, "Hey bro, give me a big number, as big as you want."

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And you say, being a cheeky jerk, a googol

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Or whatever

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And I say, well, I know that for each power of 2 number of terms, I can make 1 additional copy of 1/2 at least

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So 2^(2*googol) terms should be sufficient to make this number larger than a googol

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And you can play this game with any number

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So this series eventually becomes larger than any number, which is what it means to be divergent

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(it just takes its damn sweet time getting there)

minor cliff
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But like what does that have to do with it being an alternating series and we just need to prove two conditions to see if it diverges or converges.

I think what they're trying to say is that S_(2N) is not less than
S_(N) Which would prove that the condition is not met I suppose..? But S__(2N) is the exact same thing..?

This is genuinely hurting my brain

austere cove
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Ah

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Sorry, I mistook your problem

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Ok so the problem with alternating serieses that are not absolutely convergent is that you can rearrange them to converge to whatever value you like

minor cliff
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these are the conditions btw if u need me to be specific on what they teach

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Ohh Absolutely convergent I see

austere cove
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Including divergent

minor cliff
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I haven't gotten there yet. And this problem is given before that lesson is taught.

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Perhaps that is why there was some miscommunication

austere cove
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Absolute convergence is the idea simply that the absolute value of the terms is convergent as well

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If you have an alternating series where the terms are not absolutely convergent, then you can rearrange the sum to give you whatever value you please

minor cliff
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So, then in that case would my explanation to their justification have some ground ?

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cause it does seem to me like they did rearrange it with S_2N

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Or maybe not

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Either way, they ended up comparing it to the Divergent harmonic series, we know that for a fact as they literally state it so..

austere cove
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I'm not sure what the definition of S_2N is

minor cliff
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Me neither, but riemann

austere cove
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Can you carefully explain this notation

minor cliff
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did bring up a good point

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here I'll reply to it

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He then proceeded to say that S_(2N) is the sum of the first 2N terms

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So I believe what he said was

austere cove
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Ok

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Makes sense

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So S_2N = H_N

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Where H is the harmonic series

minor cliff
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thats divergent, so because its not absolute we can conclude that it can be divergent as well

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right 🥹 ?

austere cove
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We conclude that S_2N = H_N, H_N is divergent, so S_2N is divergent

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You want to also prove that S_N is divergent, right?

minor cliff
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No 💀 thats like 6 units from me im psure srry

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cause its the 1/n bs

austere cove
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I just explained it though?

minor cliff
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or I don't know, anyway thanks for confirming this.

austere cove
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No matter

minor cliff
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Thank you bru

austere cove
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yw

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minor cliff
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did ts even work

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shy flame
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Someone help me i get the first part on why id get dcostheta but i dont get the double angle bit like where does the pi/2 come from

shy flame
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quite mad for 2 marks cant lie

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unless im missing something stupid

robust slate
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Consider drawing this

hoary ember
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working backwards the sin part simplifies to -cos(2 theta) maybe that can give a hint on how to continue it

shy flame
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mhh

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well I made the angle at QP and the corner of the new triangle to be called alpha

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then I solved for it knowing angles in the triangle add up to 180 which is pi

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and got pi-2theta = alpha

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but im kinda stuck on that

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shy flame
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aaaaaaah

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its almost as if i compleatly forgot the question I just read it again and i think I get it

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well I got the big purple side to be QA-dsin(alpha)

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do I just ignore the y values since im just looking at the displacement in x?

robust slate
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Yeah you don't care about vertical displacement

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only horizontal displacement

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@shy flame Hello?

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uh

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well I gotta dip so

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ig I'll let someone else take over

shy flame
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np

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i got it its chillzo

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thanks boss

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I can't quite seem to figure out how it is I can find the compacted form of this series

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I know it's wrong, just not where

fathom saddle
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The index. They force you to start with n = 1

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Just take all your n and replace with n-1

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oooooh

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I see

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is it possible to approximate a function that look like this?

where I only need X between (0, 0.9900990099]

And I only need 1 digit precision for the Y

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i guess no hope

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how do you even calculate that

torn jolt
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getting the total angles of the hexagon

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but that isnt gonna do me no good

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You see angle d is a right angle and angle would be 120° as it is a regular hexagon

onyx glen
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just knowing each single angle of the hexagon is gonna be enough ish

torn jolt
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Angle D = 90°
Angle O = 120°

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Now as O is the centre

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and also since diagonals of a square bisect each other then ∆BOC and ∆DOC are congruent

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@torn jolt

torn jolt
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yeah I did draw that line

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oh

torn jolt
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yeah

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okay how do you find what O is now

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So , can you see that ∆BOC and ∆DOC are congruent

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okay

torn jolt
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no I mean after you draw the line

torn jolt
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Doesn't matter it's still angle o

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O is 120 but after you draw the line its like 30

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arent you doing O + D + unkown = 180?

sacred yarrow
torn jolt
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ok thats 45

torn jolt
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And using angle sum property you can find angle alpha

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E is the point of intersection of hexagon and AD

torn jolt
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what does knowing its a quadrilateral do again?

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torn jolt
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If you know the three angles and one is not given you can find it, in your case it's alpha

torn jolt
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I know that but it doesnt look like it has 360

sacred yarrow
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It’s a fact

torn jolt
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so 105

torn jolt
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E

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360 - 120 - 45 - 90

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Correct 💯

torn jolt
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ok thats easy

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I just forgot that quadrilaterals equal 360

torn jolt
torn jolt
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?

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Remember this whole solving problems related to finding angles in polygons

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cold wren
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there is also a formula ig

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for angle sum

torn jolt
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oh yeah we took that yesterday in class

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n-2 * 180

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torn jolt
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one more question it says sides does it mean all 4 sides or just left and right

torn jolt
cold wren
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20 = x + y

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and find the values of x and y that are prime numbers

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so (13, 7), (17, 3)

torn jolt
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so it means all 4 sides right

cold wren
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area = 13*7

torn jolt
cold wren
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In a rect. opposite sides are equal

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torn jolt
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its not the right answer anyway

cold wren
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so perimeter = a + b + a + b

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a + b + a + b = 2(a + b)

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2(a + b) = 40

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so a + b = 20

torn jolt
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This tbh

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alright thanks everyone

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I am doing question 9. So first I proved that the irrationals are not bounded above because I already proved that an irrational number plus a rational number is irrational. Now I know that x < y so I can use arch property to show that ny>nx+1. Now I am going to make a set A. I will say that the set has an element z in the irrationals such that z > nx. Now since we know the irrationals are unbound we know that given an real x we can find a z greater than x. So now I replace z with nx/n. So z > nx/n. So this set does have a z. But that doesn't correspond to my condition since it is greater than nx. But I need it to be nx/n so that I can do that nz>nx then nz-1< nx. nz< nx+1 so nz < ny. But then I have to change the condition of the set to z > nx/n which seems weird. So what should I do?

grave elm
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Instead of always returning to the roots (archimedean property in this case), try using what you already proved

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grave elm
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I'll check..

night musk
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Ok thank you

grave elm
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you can choose some irrational z s.t. nx < z < nx + 1

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then x < z / n < (nx+1) / n < ny/n = y

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so z/n will be the wanted irrational

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night musk
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How can we use well ordering principle if we only proved part of the condition

grave elm
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well, thats the problem, its not that easy

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One way to do it would be this:

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choose 2 rationals a, b such that:
nx < a < b < nx + 1

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then you should be able to explicitly find irrational between a and b

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funny thing is that you can do exactly this to the original x and y

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you can choose rational a, b, such that x < a < b < y, and then the problem reduces to finding an irrational between 2 rationals, which can be done explicitly

grave elm
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the main issue you'd face here is that you dont know whether nx is rational or not

night musk
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Wdym by done explicitly?

grave elm
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without applying archimedean property

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but you can also do it by applying it

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its up to you

grave elm
grave elm
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try finding an irrational z between rational a and b using arch property

night musk
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So your saying for example a is rational b is irrational and then a+b /2

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But that is just irrational but know you have just found an irrational number between a rational and irrational

grave elm
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and is probably a bit easier

night musk
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Wait I'm confused weren't we trying to find an irrational between two rationals though?

grave elm
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you can find one rational between those 2 reals

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say the reals are x and y, and so you can find a such that
x < a < y

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then (a+y)/2 is an irrational between a and y

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x < a < (a+y) / 2 < y

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and notice that the very same irrational also sits between x and y

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so you're done

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grave elm
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i just typoed that

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6 already proved that between any real numbers there is a rational

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so we can now just choose it

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you can make an explicit reference to 6 in your proof

night musk
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Choose what?

grave elm
night musk
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Yes but then I need to find a irrational between two rationals. All we found is an irrational between a rational and an irrational

grave elm
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well that shouldnt be too difficult though

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so say we have 2 rationals a, b

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we need to find an irrational (z) between them, so we need
a < z < b

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this should be doable by arch property

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the trick is, we can subtract a

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0 < z - a < b - a

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now we only need to find an irrational between 0 and b-a (so irrational between 0 and another rational)

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and then if we add a to it, we're gonna end up with irrational between a and b

grave elm
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pick your favorite irrational between 0 and 1 and multiply it by (b-a)

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e.g. sqrt(2) / 2 * (b-a)

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then a + sqrt(2)/2 * (b-a) is gonna be between a and b

night musk
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One sec let me read this all and try to process it

night musk
grave elm
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we are reducing the problems to simpler problem, until we find a simple enough problem that we can solve it

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first we reduced the problem of finding an irrational between 2 reals to finding an irrational between 2 rationals. Then this problem was reduced to finding an irrational between 0 and a positive rational. And that's already quite doable

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if you wanted to, you could go one step further, divide 0 < z - a < b - a by b-a and get 0 < (z-a) / (b-a) < 1, reducing the problem merely to finding an irrational number between 0 and 1

night musk
grave elm
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we need that irrational to be between 0 and b - a

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if its not clear, lets go one step further.
0 < z - a < b - a
Divide both sides by b - a
0 < (z - a) / (b-a) < 1
Now we just need an irrational between 0 and 1. Pick e.g. sqrt(2) / 2
so sqrt(2) / 2 = (z - a) / (b-a)
(sqrt2/2) * (b-a) = (z-a)
(sqrt2/2) * (b-a) + a = z

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and there is our irrational between a and b

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$a<a+\frac{\sqrt{2}}{2}\left(b-a\right)<b$

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Oh ok thats clear

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i have to find the Domain that makes the function continuous

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i know for the first interval (-infinit,-1] the function is continuous

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but

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i also found that x=-1 if a point where the function is disconitnuous

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for the type II

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i am not sure if in english is the same

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and so when i write the solution do i say that D=(-infinit,-1]... or (-infinit,-1)...

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i put ... beacuse i know there is more but this part interests me

tacit siren
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it's discontinuos, since the right limit as x -> -1 doesn't exist

pure basin
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We need to find the domain in which it is continuous

tacit siren
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At x = -1

gray mauve
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ok but i also said that for x in (-infinit,-1] the function is continuous

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isnt that a contradiction?

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one time it is continuous but the other time is not

pure basin
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But RHL neq LHL at x=-1

gray mauve
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?

tacit siren
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Right hand limit, left hand limit

gray mauve
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i dont understand RHL and LHL

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oh

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ok so then in x=-1 the function is not continuous

pure basin
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ys

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just check the same for

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1

gray mauve
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it is also not continuous

pure basin
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Ok

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So there's ur answer?

gray mauve
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just to make sure

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when i write D(continuous)=

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i write all the intervals with () not []

pure basin
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Domain ok

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uh

gray mauve
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i mean

pure basin
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To write the domain??

gray mauve
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yes

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let me take a pic

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wait

pure basin
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I an pretty sure

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I have to find a,b from R so that the function is continuous on whole R

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$a=372\ca+cd=\frac{1}{93}a=4\c=1=\frac{1}{372}a\d=3=\frac{1}{124}a\\frac{1}{372}<\frac{1}{124}$

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I’m currently working on a mathematical model for a 5-reel, 3-row slot machine. The game will feature 20 pay lines, with payouts for 5, 4, 3, and 2 matching symbols from the left, and around 8 different symbols in total.

It also includes Wilds (which substitute for any symbol), Super Wilds (which fill an entire row and substitute as well), Bonus symbols (that trigger free spins), and Scatter symbols.

One of the biggest challenges I’m facing is ensuring the game meets specific RTP targets—including the base game RTP, Free Spins RTP, and Bonus Round RTP. I'm looking for guidance on how to approach the mathematical modeling, particularly with calculating probabilities, designing paytables, and accounting for the interactions between base gameplay, free spins, and bonus rounds.

I initially tried to simulate all possible outcomes in Python—including all paylines and how wilds and super wilds affect them—but it quickly became overly complex due to the huge number of combinations. I’m wondering if there’s a simpler or more structured way to approach this.

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Step-by-Step Approach to Modeling Your Slot Machine


  1. Define the Symbol Distribution

Start by specifying:

How many symbols (including Wilds, Super Wilds, Scatters, Bonus) appear on each reel.

How many times each symbol appears on each reel strip (these will determine the probabilities).

Use weighted reels or uniform probabilities depending on your game design.


  1. Calculate Symbol Probabilities

For each symbol (S):

P(S on reel R) = (Number of S symbols on R) / (Total number of symbols on R)

Repeat for all 5 reels.

Wilds and Super Wilds increase complexity, so handle them separately.


  1. Calculate Line Hit Probabilities (Without Wilds)

Focus on a single payline. For matching symbols (e.g. 5-of-a-kind):

Multiply the probabilities of the symbol appearing in sequence on each reel.

For example:

P(5 Aces on line) = P(Ace on Reel1) × P(Ace on Reel2) × ... × P(Ace on Reel5)

Repeat this for 4, 3, and 2 matches.

Then multiply by the number of paylines (20) and how many ways each match can occur.


  1. Integrate Wilds and Super Wilds

Wilds: When calculating payouts, include Wilds as valid substitutes.

Super Wilds: Since they fill a whole row, they affect all paylines on that row.

Use conditional probability trees or simplify by estimating:

How often does a Wild appear on each reel?

What’s the probability that a Wild completes a 5-of-a-kind?

For Super Wilds, you can treat them like events:

E.g., "Probability of Super Wild on Row 1 = X%" → then calculate affected paylines.

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  1. Model Bonus and Scatter Mechanics Separately

Define the chance of landing enough bonus symbols to trigger a bonus round.

Estimate the average payout from bonus rounds.

Same for Scatters if they pay independently of lines.

Use:

P(bonus round) × Expected value of bonus round = Bonus RTP


  1. Break Down the Total RTP

Split the RTP into:

Base Game RTP: From line wins, including Wilds.

Bonus Round RTP: From bonus rounds.

Free Spins RTP: If they’re separate, calculate them too.

Then:

\text{Total RTP} = \text{Base RTP} + \text{Bonus RTP} + \text{Free Spins RTP}

Adjust paytable values and probabilities to meet your target RTP (e.g., 96%).


  1. Simplify with Monte Carlo Simulations (Optional)

Instead of brute-forcing all combinations:

Create a randomized reel spin simulator.

Run it 1–5 million times.

Track symbol positions, line hits, bonuses triggered, and payouts.

Use this to validate your theoretical math and fine-tune the balance.


Tools You Might Use

Excel (for rough calculations and payoff matrices)

Python (NumPy or Pandas to simulate and analyze results)

State machines or Markov chains (to model flow of base game → bonus rounds → return to base)

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all roots for z^3 = -8i

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I have tried this:

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oh wait my brain was off

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no you are all good

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but that's not how fractions work

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im the one with the brain off

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i guess we both are then

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im trying to work it out again

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shoulf it be 4pik?

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should*

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if i extend 2pik with 2

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then divide by n

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then (3pi+pik)/6 yea ?

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no wouldnt it be 4pik?

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man our brains are really off lol

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i promise it is usually mine

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let me send photo

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ok

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but if i added pik that would change the meaning?

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pik instead of 4pik

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ok but u r right that 4pik might be unnecessary

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do i change to just 2pik

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or did u get it

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i got one earlier but i barely understood it

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i had two people explain it to me

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in two different ways

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oh lol

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im not sure if i was confused just cuz i was confused or

sudden condor
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if i was confused because i mixed the explanations

sturdy valve
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^ yes but

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is your 4rth good because right now

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none of the others really stick

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and i dont like any of them

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i liked one where

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there was this person named Ann

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they made me understand the absolute value part

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like how to get r

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if u want u can ping her

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think shes on

sharp osprey
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no i dont want to disturb them

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i have been sitting with this for hours now

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it's embarrassing

sturdy valve
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no its not lol

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was a tough concept for me as well

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Still need help?

sharp osprey
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i genuinely hate complex numbers

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i just hate them so much

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💀

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Tbh i can see why its weird but are you strong with modulus argument form

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Ie i terms of modulus and tje angle cos(theta) and Isin(theta)

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im not strong with it

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Hmmm do you know how to gst the r(cos(theta) +isin(theta)) form

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Or do you know hoe to do a argand diagram

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First of all

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i dont know how to show where it comes from, and i dont know what a argand diagram is- like hold on

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so

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r = |z|

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Ab yes so no wonder ur confused lmao

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and it is the distance between a point and another

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Yep

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for -8i

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No its distance from origin to the point

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it would be the distance from 0 to -8i

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so |z| = 8

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Yep

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But say if its 2+3i

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okay yeah then i need to do sqrt(4+9)

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right?

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You can represent that on a argand diagram (similar to x y axis)

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|z| = sqrt13

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Two to the right and 3 up from origin

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Then you can find distance using pythagoras

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is sqrt13 wrong?

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Its correct but do you understand

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for 2 + 3i

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It first of all

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Feel like you just know how to compute it

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If thats the case it won't gdt you far

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no i think i understand

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i have the real and imaginary axis

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And whats the argument

lunar grove
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is that how you say it

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going in the

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lunar grove
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Well yeah sure you can do that

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Usually its tan-1(y/x) but ur. Way would work

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So you can write Z as r(costheta +isin(theta))

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U familiar with demoivres theorem?

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yes familiar but i suck at it big time

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i know you can do

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Icl i cba typing ur should definitely watch a YouTube video

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Via text

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I reccomend tlmaths

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z^n = r^n(cos nTheta + isin nTheta)

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but i dont quite understand what happens to the 2pi k part

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with relation to n

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because when i got z^3

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i just wanna use n = 3

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and plug everything in there

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but i get really big numbers and again

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i dont understand what happens to the 2pi k part

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Hi

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Hello

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hi again Task Bot

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What is the problem?

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Don't you have a problem to think about already ?

sharp osprey
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z^3 = -8i, i think im about to solve it

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2i and...other roots

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yes i got 2i and i - sqrt3

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i need one more

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Can I see the sheet?

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PLS

deep python
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You know...to factor the polynomial z³ + 8i

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nah im stuck again on last step i will send sheet

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it is too much for me

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with the angles and division of angles

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there are plenty of things wrong here

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i can point out at least 4, probably 5

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i just cant be asked to correct more

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im just gonna start over on a new page

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Where does 5π/6 come from?

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that's one of the things wrong

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previously

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this part

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it said 2pik

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instead of 4pik

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i got it from there

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Its 2πk

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for k = 1

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i dont get why it is is 2pik

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is it because any multiple of 2 of 2pik is the same as 2pik?

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wont i end up in the wrong quadrant

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if i dont call it 4pik

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?

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why is it 2pik

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4pik

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from this

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why is it 2pik

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because the cosine and the sine repeat after 2πk

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that's true if it only said 2pik

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Can someone help I’m not sure where to start for the next couple of ones

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you can simplify 3 algebraically for starters

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by substituting y = x + 1

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which is easier to understand

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so f(y) ?

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y -> ?

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0?

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no

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x -> 1 (from below)

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right

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x + 1 -> 1 + 1 (from below)

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wait hold on

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i dont understand

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so the lim x->1 from the left f(x) = 0

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right

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x approaches 1 from the left
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x + 1 approaches 1 + 1 = 2 from the left?

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from the graph

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you can see that it approaches 0

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im looking at this question

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ya ur supposed to use the graph to answer it

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i was suggesting you first do a substitution

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sry i just dont understand how doing f(y) makes it easier

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well, forget about y then

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as x approaches 1 from the left

frank lagoon
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mhm

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you need to know what x+1 is doing

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otherwise how do you take f of it

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ya

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so what is x + 1 doing

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oh

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so 1+1?

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2?

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from below

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so its the same as limit of f(y) as y approaches 2 from the left

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thats what i meant by substitution

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then you can check the graph

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i see

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so the answer is 2 right?

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yes

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ok got it, thank you

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Can I do the other ones and could you check if I did them right?

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you can apply the same idea for the next questions

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just post the answers and someone can check them yeah

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Hey Guys
I need some help with this:
A pyramid with a square base of 100x100 and a height of 78 is placed in a rectangular coordinate system such that the base lies in the x-y plane and the top lies on the z-axis. The sides of the base are parallel to the x- and y-axes.
Hand-draw a sketch of the pyramid in a coordinate system.

I have kind of tried myself but it just doesn't make sense, I don't know how to draw.

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Show what you tried

misty flare
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this is not really 3d, but I thought i kind of tried something

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Oh, that's pretty good

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But yeah, you should draw the axes in perspective

misty flare
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then I was told I should make it like this

royal charm
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But now i don't know where to put the coordinates and how to draw the pyramid and such...

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Label the axes, then start at the origin and move in reach direction according to each axis

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Like, for (3,5), you label the 3 on the x and the 5 on the y. Then you start at 0,0 and move 3 right and 5 up

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It's the same thing here

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HINTS ONLY for the next step. Part 2. How does the fact that M is locally finite come into play? I'm stuck here: well we gotta only check for points in the boundary. So, we need to show that every p in the boundary of the union (let's call it set 1) is in the union of boundaries (set 2). So, let's assume M is locally finite, yet there a point p in 1 but not 2. Where do I even proceed from there. How would I even use the fact that X is locally finite? Nah cuz why does it sound so irrelevant 😭? I presume we must also use results from (i).

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I think I need to assume by contradiction that a p exists in boundary of 1, but not 2. And vice versa. I suppose proof by contradiction is one way

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But I need to show that both ways lead to breaking local finite ness

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Can someone help me understand the phrasing of question 10?

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So he says n is even if it equals 2m then says n is odd if n+1 is even

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for some integer m yes

night musk
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Why is it phrased like this why not n is odd if it does not equal 2m

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Well it could

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But they're the same thing, you'll find many ways to define one concept

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Both are right

night musk
umbral dome
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that's another way of defining odd

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But I suppose the way they phrased it because that way it is easier to solve the problem.

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So let say I want to do part a. Let say I want to do proof by contradiction. I assume that an integer can be both even or odd. Using his definition n is even if n= 2m and n+1 is even. But then if n+1 is even. We have n+1 =2m and n= 2m. But how can that be?

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Wait a minute

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Nah, can you even assume something like that? I mean we know set of even and odd are disjoint. But let's pretend we didn't find an integer that's both even and odd. 🤔

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@umbral dome what do you think?

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I think that's the contradiction

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Yeah, that's the contradiction

night musk
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Well if no such n exists that is both equal to 2m as well as 2m+1, then the sets are already disjoint

night musk
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Is this fundamental enough though?

mossy loom
night musk
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Ok so either or works then

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Oh, for the next question?

night musk
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Nvm disjoint is the answer

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I was referring to the first one

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I mean you can do the same contradiction again for 2. Assume that you have an integer that's neither even, nor odd. Try to show this cannot happen. For the second question.

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Wait doesn't disjoint work for both though

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It does. But it's not fundamental enough

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Given the question ask

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You gotta show why they're disjoint

mossy loom
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night musk
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Haven't I just show that the definition of even is not the same?

mossy loom
night musk
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n = 2m and n+1 =2m

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Ok fine

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Let's make it more basic.

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Since n = 2m, and n+1= 2m, then we can equate them.

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So, n=n+1

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But that means 0 = 1

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Is that clear enough that it's a contradiction?

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You haven't 'redefined anything '

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Like you haven't redefined here that 0 equals 1.

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This is the contradiction in your proof by contradiction

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Isn't his definition the contradiction though that's what I was confused about

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Yes it is

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I understand it's very basic

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Ok, let's make your proof a lot clearer.

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Honestly, I can't even make it more basic.

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If this is your first time writing proofs, I understand

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For example, there could be such an integer that's both even or odd

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And mathematicians have yet to discover that

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But you have proved that no such integer exists, because one thing we know is that 0 isn't 1.

night musk
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Is this what you meant by that the definition he gave helps with the proof

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Also one final question why give a faulty definition

mossy loom
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night musk
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His two definitions of even

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Let me try to make it more clearer

mossy loom
night musk
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That n=2m or that n is odd if n+1 is even. If something is even it is equal to 2m. Meaning n+1 = 2m

mossy loom
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It says n is odd, if n+1 is even. Now, n + 1 is certainly 2m, but not n.

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Oh wait a minute

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I understand your question perhaps

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Here, n and m are different 'variables'

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Or rather m is the variable

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Ok, let me put it in simple English

night musk
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So case specific two different cases of even

mossy loom
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An integer is even if it is twice any other integer. (This is what is represented by saying an integer n is even if n=2m). Now, another definition is 'an integer is odd if the next integer is even'. (This is what is represented by saying saying n + 1 = 2m.) It doesn't mean that n = 2m. It means the next integer, the even one is equal to 2m

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Ok, yeah so they never gave two different definitions of even

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One definition for even or one definition for odd.

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@devout valley @wide sundial
Hey there! I just want to say, with your help on the Gram-Schmidt orthogonalization from earlier, I was able to successfully complete the Schur trianglization problem. I promised to come back to share the results, and here they are!

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So as you can see, the Schur trianglization of a matrix allows us to rewrite any matrix in C as U = P^{-1} A P, where U is upper triangular

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Thank you both for your help 😄

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cosA - cosB = 1/2 and sinA - sinB = -1/4, find sin(A+B)

torn jolt
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how

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oh wait it's sin(a-b)/2 that's common hold up

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then add them up

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i probably tried that already

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You'll get an equation with Cos(A+B) and numbers

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sqrt(1-cos^2(A+B)) = sin(A+B)

old spade
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right

torn jolt
old spade
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generative ai used sum-to-product

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ill probably just copy it

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I just need someone to confirm that the answer is 4/5

torn jolt
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i cant see that but i have a way to guarantee the solution

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use the partial angles formula

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divide the equations

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You get value of tan((A+B)/2)

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Which is sec^2((A+B)/2)-1

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And you can take reciprocal of secant to get cos

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1-cos^2x = sin^2x

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you have both sin and cos, use sin2x = 2sinxcosx

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so is the answer 4/5?

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anyways i have another question

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The lengths of the sides of a triangle are successive terms of a geometric progression. Let A and C be the smallest and largest interior angles of the triangle respectively. If the shortest side has length 16cm and 9(sinA - 2sinB + 3sinC) = 19(sinC - 2sinB + 3sinA), find the perimeter of the triangle in centimeters. Is the perimeter 304/9 cm?

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ah i didnt know that formula but fair
I think it's the same thing either way since 1+tan^2x is sec^2x

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D:

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if that's the correct answer I can show my procedure

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i dont know the correct answer but show your procedure

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I wrote it roughly ):

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can someone else confirm the answer?

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took me like 4 minutes to solve

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nvm i made a mistake in between bleakkekw

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so my answer might be right cat_happycry

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nvm i didnt make a mistake

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show workingg

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@old spade

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want to see my working?

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geometric progression means the sides have a common ratio?

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If you want me to tell where yours is wrong I can tell

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c is largest angle, a is smallest angle

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so a,b,c are in geometric progression

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b/a = c/b

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or just see all my steps and check if im wrong

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old spade
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uh shit ur right

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ye

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this would also work tbh since x would just be the reciprocal value

torn jolt
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then that gives me 76

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how

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12sinC x^2 - 5sinC x - 2sinC = 0

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sinC(12x^2 - 5x - 2) = 0

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12x^2 - 5x - 2 = 0

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nvm

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maybe where i put the lengths are wrong?

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like are the 16, 16x, 16x^2 be at teh correct places

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I'm wondering if I did something wrong now

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Since you have 16 as a constant

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x will differ

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No, you're saying the length of side opposite to C is 16 when in fact it is opposite to A

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?

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<@&286206848099549185> somebody check blobcry

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Oh shit yea

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I calculated c wrong

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you get c = 36

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a = 16

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b = 24

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my b

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so am i correct

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yeah

old spade
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yay

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🎊

old spade
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i have uh 3 more questions that i need help with if ur down

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Sure

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ill just stop if I have anything else to do

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gimme a min i have to write down the working

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Find the value of 1/sin^2(0.5) - tan^2(0.5) + 1/sin^2(1.5) - tan^2(1.5) + ... + 1/sin^2(179.5) - tan^2(179.5)

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(1/sinx + tanx)(1/sinx - tanx)

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wait i think i see soemthing

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i think im a genius

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the answer is just 180?

torn jolt
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nvm

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😭

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wait im a genius though

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so you can replace sin with cos right

torn jolt
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1/cos^2(0.5), 1/cos^2(1.5), ..., 1/cos^2(179.5)

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and 1/cos^2(x) - tan^2(x) = 1

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oh makes sense

old spade
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not

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wait

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nah you can

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think of it as

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sinx = cos(pi/2 - x)

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After you transform 0-89.5 that way you get the same in sin

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yeah yeah i was just worried about it might become -cos(x)

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when you do it for 90.5-179.5 you get sinx = cos(pi/2-x) => sinx = cos(x-pi/2)

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Then you get a repeating term for every 0.5-89.5 term

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but basically it goes from cos 89.5 ... cos 0.5 ... cos 89.5 right?

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do cosx = cos(pi-x) for every duplicate term

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You don't need to worry about sign due to the squares

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old spade
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sin 0.5 ... sin 89.5 ... sin 179.5
cos 89.5..cos 0.5 ... cos 89.5?

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or am I tripping

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you have a corresponding term for every tan

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read what I just said

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aight cool

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wait then it wont be so simple

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cos you can't match tan^2(90.5), tan^2(91.5) ... tan^2(179.5)

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right

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i mean

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prove it

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how would you match the terms beyond 89.5

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im stupid 😅

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nono i get it

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cos(90.5) = cos(180-89.5)

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its not that part its the

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i get it it's fine

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like i get what ur saying

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so it's 180?

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next question

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find the value of ((cos10 + cos50 + cos70 + cos110)/cos20)^8

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that means the cos10 + cos50 + cos70 + cos110)/cos20 = sqrt(3)

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but gtg now if you still struggling with this when I come back will help

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Let A and B be acute angles. Suppose sin^2 A + sin^2 B = sin(A+B) = k. Show that k = 1.
Hint: let x = sin A and y = sin B. Prove by contradiction what happens if x^2 + y^2 > 1 or < 1

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Did you try using the hint

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,tex .sum diff trig/sin

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wait

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riemann

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nvm

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x^2 + y^2 = xcosB + ycosA

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For x^2 + y^2 = xcosB + ycosA, cosB = x = sinA and cosA = y = sinB

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Yea something like that. Do the rest of the hint

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I'm not quite sure if you can safely conclude cosB=x actually

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Similarly y=cosA can't be concluded

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I don't know what that means

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