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Is 'throwing a fair die, each number has a 1/6 probability chance to be the outcome' a model?

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Model is a conjecture

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A mathematical model is an abstract description of a concrete system using mathematical concepts and language. The process of developing a mathematical model is termed mathematical modeling. Mathematical models are used in applied mathematics and in the natural sciences (such as physics, biology, earth science, chemistry) and engineering discip...

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There are mathematical models in music!

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mystic timber
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I have no clue on this

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Like if you read choices backward they doesn't makes sense

fickle pendant
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oh it took me a minute

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the names are written vertically @mystic timber
e.g.
I
D
A
H
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which, if you flip it, becomes
I

A
H
O

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So the answer is Hawaii supposing all the words are written capital

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yes

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Trapezoids area is 594 the hight is. 22 the difference between the parralel sides is 6 need to find both of the parralel sides

quasi bison
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do you know how to find the area of a trapezoid in general?

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was asking op

humble helm
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he is lost

quasi bison
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you should have let him either try to state the formula or tell me he doesn't know

humble helm
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he wasn't answering for 3 minutes

quasi bison
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3 minutes is not a stall

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and even if he was not answering for 30 you should not have spoiled it

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if op chooses to stall and let the channel time out, that's his choice

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or if he has to go for something urgent, idk

quartz wasp
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Ik the formula

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I was making cofee

quasi bison
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okay then say the formula

quartz wasp
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A+b/2*h

quasi bison
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missing parentheses

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(a+b)/2 * h

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but ok alright fine

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you can find a+b from here

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and the problem tells you a-b=6

quartz wasp
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A+b equals 2h no?

quasi bison
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incorrect.

humble helm
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no way

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Where is area

quartz wasp
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Wait

quasi bison
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$S = \frac{a+b}{2}\cdot h \ h = 22, , S = 594 \ a+b = ; ?$

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quartz wasp
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2s/h?

humble helm
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I guess yes

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So find

quartz wasp
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I can make a system right

quasi bison
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yes exactly

quartz wasp
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Ok ill do it

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*A tower has four asymmetrical wings.

Determine the relationship for the number of blocks+1 needed for the squares of the height+1 if you know the number of squares of the height.

Then show by induction that an=n(2n−1), n=1,2,3,...*

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Does someone actually understand how to solve this?

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"Determine the relationship for the number of blocks+1 needed for the squares of the height+1 if you know the number of squares of the height. "

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Particularly, what does this even mean?

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south sparrow
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What is a model?

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final halo
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Context?

south sparrow
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Throwing a fair die, or tossing a coin.

final halo
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In those cases a model would be coming like a way to represent the outcomes of those events mathematically

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Or the probabilities of things occurring

south sparrow
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A probability model for a coin toss looks like this.

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Probability model for fair die roll:

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import random

num_trials = 1000000
num_heads = 0

for i in range(num_trials):
    coin_toss = random.choice(['H', 'T'])
    if coin_toss == 'H':
        num_heads += 1

probability_heads = num_heads / num_trials
print(probability_heads)

Is this Python snippet still a probability model?

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import random
print(sum(random.choice('HT') == 'H' for _ in range(10**6))/10**6)
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    |       |
  H |  0.5  |
    |_______|
    |       |
  T |  0.5  |
    |_______|
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covert kiln
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can anyone please explain to me when doing implicit diffrentiation where does the dy/dx come from

covert kiln
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for example

empty gyro
covert kiln
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3y^2*y'

south sparrow
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This can be written, by adding dx to all the x terms, and adding dy to all the y terms.

covert kiln
empty gyro
south sparrow
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What is prime y?

covert kiln
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y'

empty gyro
south sparrow
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Say we have y = x^2, the derivate of this is y + dy = (x + dx)^2, where we adjusted the y and x values by a little bit.

empty gyro
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@covert kiln are you familiar with what chain rule is?

covert kiln
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yh

empty gyro
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Do you know how to use it?

covert kiln
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u bring power down and diffrential and times it by the origanl and subtract 1 to the power

compact pelican
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I think that's the power rule

compact pelican
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If you mean d(x^n) = n*x^(n-1)

empty gyro
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@covert kiln read up on chain rule. You need to understand it to understand implicit differentiation

covert kiln
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isnt that chain rule

compact pelican
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Where did the x after the 5 come from?

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But, aside from that, correct

covert kiln
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that times

covert kiln
compact pelican
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OK, really not great to use x as both a variable and to mean times

empty gyro
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covert kiln
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with y^3 it will be 3(1)(y^2)

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where doe y' appear

south sparrow
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Can you explain it in simple terms please, because these concepts show something dead simple in complicated language.

compact pelican
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True, that's an example of using the chain rule with the power rule. In general, the chain rule applies when you compose two functions f(g(x))' = f'(g(x))*g'(x)

compact pelican
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If it helps, remember that y is a function of x, so you can write it as y(x)

south sparrow
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And to me!

compact pelican
covert kiln
compact pelican
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OK, you're going to need it in other cases too like sin(x^2)

empty gyro
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$[f(g(x))]'=f'(g(x))g'(x)$

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covert kiln
covert kiln
plucky elk
covert kiln
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3x^2cos(x^3)

covert kiln
plucky elk
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Yes that's right

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,w diff sin(x^3)

covert kiln
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how does this help with my orgianl question

plucky elk
covert kiln
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i dont understnad how it used for y^3 tho

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and how it ends up being 3y^2 dy/dx

plucky elk
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Let y=f(x) then apply chain rule

empty gyro
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covert kiln
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covert kiln
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kl il try

covert kiln
empty gyro
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Nope

covert kiln
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im so lost on that formula

empty gyro
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$g'(x)=y'$

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covert kiln
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y'=1

empty gyro
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covert kiln
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oh yh taht is false

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what is y'

empty gyro
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That would only be true if $y=x$ (plus some constant but I'll ignore that)

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covert kiln
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covert kiln
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is it equivalent to dy/dx

empty gyro
empty gyro
covert kiln
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our teacher shows us shortcut

covert kiln
empty gyro
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covert kiln
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but there no x^3 in y

empty gyro
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Okay, try this:

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What is derivative of $[\sin{x}]^3$

covert kiln
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if we diffrnetiate y^3 we get 3y^2 dy/dx but there no dy/dx for diffrentiating x^3

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covert kiln
covert kiln
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covert kiln
covert kiln
empty gyro
covert kiln
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cos

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what does dy/dx mean does it mean diffrnetiate everything

empty gyro
covert kiln
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what does that mean tho

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can i also diffrentiate y terms?

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im confused with the wording with things0=sdo[kdasdasd

empty gyro
covert kiln
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so to diffrentatie what y is equal to

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y= 2x

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so i would diffrrentiate 2x

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covert kiln
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y=2x + 6

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6 would disappear or = to 0

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cause it not an x

empty gyro
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Yes

covert kiln
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y= y^3 +2x

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what happens to the y^3

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does it disappear

south sparrow
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dy/dx also means a tiny change of values, it is a slope value. ∆y/∆x

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As we change x a little bit, y changes a little bit with it.

covert kiln
south sparrow
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And I think in your original equation we write x^3 + x + y^3 + 3y = 6 as x^3 + x + u = 6

south sparrow
covert kiln
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south sparrow
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There is a video on chain rule as well, in this series.

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violet geode
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yo
if we have a^k = x mod t
and we have a and x and t
when do we know that this will cycle
for example(every fifth k)?

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warm oyster
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Find the inflection point in the curve f(x) = | x³ - 1 |

warm oyster
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When I differentiated again the function became x6

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So x6 =0

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Then x = 0

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But when I looked at the answers it turns out there are 2 values

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{0 , 1}

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How did x become 1?

peak estuary
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what

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dont ping me. in general dont ping specific people

warm oyster
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Ok should I ping helpers role?

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after 15 minutes of waiting you can ping the helpers role once

warm oyster
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Ok

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visual shell
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I don't know how to find the range of values for this problem y=1-sin²(x)cos²(x)

fallen grotto
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Hint: sin(x)cos(x) = 2*sin(x)cos(x)/2

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should be pretty straightforward from there

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Thank you

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pallid glacier
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hi. can someone explain why the circled part of the solution is the case.

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oh

stoic dune
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That's a second derivative test

pallid glacier
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yes. but specifically those values

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x=L,L/2

stoic dune
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Solutions to part a

pallid glacier
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nono like

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how is it certain that when plugging in those values to the second derivative that the value of the second derivative is >/< 0

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is it to do with 0<=x<=L

stoic dune
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/<?

pallid glacier
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when u put L/2 into the second derivative

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how do u know that the second derivative is negative in that case

stoic dune
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You calculate it

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Get the second derivative, plug L/2 into it

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They did calculate the second derivative above your circled part

pallid glacier
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oh ye brainfart sry

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i missed the carry through of L on 6xL which made it impossible

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thanks

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OP got muted

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wheat apex
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I'm having trouble with the substitution method, i think i just have a misunderstanding of something simple

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please could you hlep me with this:

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oh wait

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i think i get it

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.clsoe

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wheat apex
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i didnt lol

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oh wait

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maybe i am

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sorry

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one second

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was getting confused with this now writing it out

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slowly making sense

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is this the correct preliminary steps for the question?

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I wanna solve this problem but when I try to solve it my answer does not match the answer given by the Google

√x +√x-64 = 16
(√x +√x-64)^2= (16)^2
x+x-64=256
2x-64=256
2x=256+64
2x=320
X=320/2=160

The answer given by Google is 100 where did I went wrong?

desert pasture
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sub x=u^2 probably

dreamy elk
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$(\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{x-64})^2\neq x+x-64$

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Crystopher

humble helm
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what a hell

exotic sky
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tf

humble helm
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I guess you need to square both sides

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nah?

exotic sky
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oh wait

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he didnt

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nvm

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humble helm
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that's fucking square formula a²+2ab+b²

humble helm
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Idk

loud bone
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It's getting too hard

humble helm
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It's the only way

humble helm
loud bone
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Let me try it

twilit spindle
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$\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{x-64}=16\ x+2\sqrt{x^2-64x}+x-64=256\ 2\sqrt{x^2-64x}=320-2x$ do you think you can take it from here?

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oh it got cut off

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PajamaMamaLlama

humble helm
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Square both sides again nah?

exotic sky
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its going to worsen

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as i said

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take a term to the rhs

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then square

exotic sky
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you wont get solution

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the root is going to be annoying

exotic sky
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then square

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2 times

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you'll get your answer

twilit spindle
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that is the exact same thing I did above?

humble helm
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Agree

exotic sky
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yes iam

loud bone
exotic sky
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im totally sorry

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i read that as

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oh my god

exotic sky
loud bone
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Oh yes

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I forgot that

exotic sky
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now square

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2 times

exotic sky
loud bone
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√x-64=16-√x

(√x-64)^2=(16-√x)^2
(√x)^2-2*√x64+(64)^2=(16)^2-216*(√x)+(√x)^2

=x-2x*64+4096=256-32√x+x

bleak tapir
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√(x-64)≠√x-64

humble helm
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But he did correct nah?

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Ah whatever

loud bone
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Ah ye

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Didn't you see

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It is given

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What does Paul mean by normal vector not having to touch the plane?

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How do I start

lean otter
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what have you tried

fluid holly
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Well

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My favourable out come is 3c12?

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12c3

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Mb

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lean otter
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Not sure if my method is right but i think u have to use begger here and then apply probability multiplication theorem

sonic spruce
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i think you gotta consider what happens to the other 9 balls. how they are put into boxes

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sonic spruce
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begger

lean otter
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its a topic from Permutation and combination, Number of ways to distribute "n" items among "r" ppl
$${n+r-1}C{r-1} $$

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when diffrentiation cant i just rerannge and make y the subject

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then diffreentaite and p[lug in 2

dim meteor
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if thats possible then do that yes

covert kiln
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i did it but i got a wrong anwser

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i think it cause i didnt include -3 somehow

dim meteor
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show your work

covert kiln
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k but its kinda messy

dim meteor
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alright

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gimme a sec

covert kiln
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that the anwser

covert kiln
dim meteor
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just that last part where you differntiate it please

covert kiln
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i pluged in 2 and i got -11.296

dim meteor
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you sure $v'=2$?

flat frigateBOT
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The Great D

covert kiln
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oh minus 2

dim meteor
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yes

covert kiln
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still got the wrong anwser 😭

dim meteor
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and why do you have it multiplied by 6^x?

covert kiln
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oh

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cause before i did 2x3^x which equals 6^x

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but that was wrong

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forgot to change it

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let me retry

dim meteor
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careful there 2*3^x is not the same as 6^x

covert kiln
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yes i got it right

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sqrt(x^3) = x^(3/2)

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why is this not true

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It is true.

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how would i do this

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flint nebula
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I'm trying to solve for x but I completely forget how

slender juniper
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well

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first thing u can do is multiply 39/50

eager torrent
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yea ofc

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but i was thinking she have already done that mb!

eager torrent
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the multiply the added numbers by 39/50 and also multiply the part related with x or sqrt(x)/4 with another 39/50 and add them together

flint nebula
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167*39/50?

slender juniper
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yea so u have ((167+sqrtx/4)x39/50)+10=170

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and then just as i said multiply the 39/50

eager torrent
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167*(39/50)+(sqrt(x)/4)*(39/50)

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btw stubtract ten from both sides too as we dont want that plus ten there for nothing so we just got 167(39/50)+(sqrt(x)/4)(39/50) = 160

flint nebula
eager torrent
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so we multiplied teh parts right?

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oh i see what you mean

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the 167 is oviously the added numbers 103+14+50

flint nebula
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Why are we doing 167(39/50)

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Oh wait I get it

eager torrent
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here there is this that can help you: (a+b)*N = aN+bN

flint nebula
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If you're multiplying stuff in brackets it's like you're multiplying it with everything inside separately

eager torrent
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yup

flint nebula
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Okay yeah

eager torrent
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now we subtract ten from both sides as we got that plus ten at the end meaning that 167(39/50)+(sqrt(x)/4)(39/50) +10-10=170-10

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those plus tens cancel out, and 170-10 = 160

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now we multiply the 39 with 167 and then divide by fifty for one of theh parts

flint nebula
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Okay

eager torrent
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167*39=6513

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if we divide it by 50 we get 130.26

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now we can subtract frm both sides

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and the +130.26 and the minus 130.26 cancel out for the left part while we get 29.74 for teh right side

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now, we multiply the sqrt(x) and 39 on the top and 4 and 50 on the bottom

flint nebula
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Yep

eager torrent
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now since we got divide on one side, we can multiply both sides by the 200

flint nebula
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Alright

eager torrent
flint nebula
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Then we divide both by 39?

eager torrent
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yup

flint nebula
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Okay it's like 152.51

eager torrent
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now since we see that the fraction is infinite/very long we just let it be, dont simplify it to anything just let it be

flint nebula
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So √x ≈ 152.51

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I don't have to be exact by the way

eager torrent
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yup, but we wantv exact answers, in math the more precise you are the btter you are

flint nebula
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Ok

eager torrent
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but since we got sqrt(x) not just x , we can square both sides

flint nebula
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Yes

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x = 23260.160420775

eager torrent
flint nebula
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Yes I jumped the gun

eager torrent
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just leave it there, dont simplify, tahts what you get when you square 5948 and 39

flint nebula
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Okay cool

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I have another kind of algebra question but should I make a new help thing?

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no we can finsih it here its fine

flint nebula
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So I should post my other question here?

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why not, keep it running, if it tells you to stop we can try another help channel

flint nebula
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Okay

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ohh, webpages

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Nope sry

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It's kind of the same.
This is the formula for calculating HP in my game and it has five variables and I know that if you have four variables you can calculate the fifth variable so I wanted help getting one of the variables to be like what it's equal to.
I also tried simplifying the formula 🙂

((B + I + (√E/4) + 50) * L / 50) + 10 = F

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There

eager torrent
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my question is, whats te context on this, what do you mean by hp/ hpiv/hpev

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horsepower???

flint nebula
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Right so that's why I simplified it to this
((B + I + (√E/4) + 50) * L / 50) + 10 = F

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Base HP is one variable and HP IV is one variable and HP EV is one variable and Morty Level is one variable

eager torrent
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abs value is noot needed when we got square roots, so remove those,

flint nebula
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What sorry?

eager torrent
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you know those straight lines around the hp ev part?, yea we dont need those

flint nebula
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Right

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Ok

eager torrent
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so now we multiply all parts by morylevel/50 which we can call m/50

flint nebula
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Yup

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Actually one second did I tell you what I was trying to do

eager torrent
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k why not

flint nebula
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I'm trying to flip the equation around so we can solve for HP EV

eager torrent
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so hp-ev is not hp*ev, from what ur saying

flint nebula
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Correct

eager torrent
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oh ok make sense

flint nebula
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HP EV is one number

eager torrent
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that make it way easier foor me to follow

flint nebula
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It stands for health point effort value

eager torrent
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you doing pokemon?

flint nebula
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Kind of

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It's like pokemon set in Rick and Morty

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You use different universes mortys as Pokémon

eager torrent
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I would rarely dought you would need specific values even in compeetivve or coding

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anyways lets continue

flint nebula
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Ok

eager torrent
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if thats the case we gotta restart, so its easier

flint nebula
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Yep

eager torrent
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ill write it down in desmos just wait

flint nebula
eager torrent
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desmos

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btw what do you mean by morty level, im familier with gen 1-3 but i dont remeber a morty level?

flint nebula
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Well it's not Pokémon it's a different game in the style of Pokémon it's just it's level

eager torrent
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ok i see but can that morty level be negative by any chance

flint nebula
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No

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It's 1 to 100

eager torrent
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what about the hp evs

flint nebula
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That can be between 0 and 65535

eager torrent
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ok, that amkes it way easier, and heck this game is completly ripping off old pokemon

flint nebula
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It's called pocket mortys

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It's set in the Rick and Morty universe

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Multiverse

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And there's only three types rock paper and scissors

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Lol

eager torrent
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heh, anyway

flint nebula
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Lol

eager torrent
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i believe thats it, migh need some checking though

flint nebula
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Oh Base HP is all one thing sorry about that

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I did take the formula and make them all single letter variables if you'd like that

eager torrent
flint nebula
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"Base HP" represents a single number

eager torrent
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oh, liek its constant like :2, and is always something like 2

flint nebula
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Are you familiar with base stats?

eager torrent
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yup

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am a competetive player after all

flint nebula
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So base HP is it's HP base stat

flint nebula
eager torrent
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yup, i see, but i stilld ont get the problem

flint nebula
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Over on the left you have just "hp" and I'm not sure what that's representing from the original image

eager torrent
flint nebula
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Yes

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Give me one second I'll be right back

eager torrent
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oh by hp its means what its hp is at what lvl, what evs, while base stats represent its orignal values before calculuation, a morty charector with higher base p, will have more hp than a one with lower base hp, if the evs and ivs and moretylevek are the same

flint nebula
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Okay there are five variables
"Base HP"
"HP IV"
"HP EV"
"Morty Level"
"HP" (the final HP stat)
The three instances of HP does not mean those are the same number

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Base HP is 170 but the HP IV is 14

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Each circle is one variable separate from the rest

eager torrent
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yup i just put the base(hp) as its easier to write not cause i thought it was a function

flint nebula
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Oh I thought you meant "base" multiplied by "hp"

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As if they were two separate things

eager torrent
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anyways have a nice day

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Okay

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Thanks bye

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s2 = 20, s4=200 in a geometric sequence

torpid pumice
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s2 = 20, s4 = 200

20=a(1-r^2)/1-r
200=a(1-r^4)/1-r
20(1-r)/(1-r^2) = a
subs
200=20(1-r)(1-r^4)/(1-r)
200=20(1-r^3)
200-200r^3=20
200r^3=180
r^3 = 9/10
is that right?

shy rover
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s4=200

dim meteor
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I dont understand the sub you did to combine them into one equation. Can you please explain?

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dim meteor
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ok in the sub...

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where did the (1-r^2) part go

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its part of the expression for a

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it should be $\frac{20(1-r)(1-r^4)}{(1-r)(1-r^2)}$ no?

flat frigateBOT
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The Great D

torpid pumice
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ok wait ill try the whole thing from the beginning

dim meteor
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ok

torpid pumice
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20(1-r)/(1-r^2) = a , 200=a(1-r^4)/1-r

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200=2(1-r)(1-r^4)/(1-r^2)(1-r)

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200=2(1-r^2)

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200-200r^2=2

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198=200r^2

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r^2=99/100

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20(1-r)/(1-r^2) = a , 200=a(1-r^4)/1-r
200=2(1-r)(1-r^4)/(1-r^2)(1-r)
200=2(1-r^2)
200-200r^2=2
198=200r^2
r^2=99/100
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sage idol
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these are two diffrent eq right'?

torpid pumice
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ya

flat frigateBOT
vapid relic
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I believe this is right

torpid pumice
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do not understand wtf

vapid relic
torpid pumice
torpid pumice
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find r and a

vapid relic
red delta
red delta
# torpid pumice yup

$S_2 = a(r^2 - 1)/r-1 $
$S_4 = a(r^4 - 1)/r-1 $
when |r|>1
$(S_4/S_2) = (r^4 - 1)/(r^2 - 1)$

flat frigateBOT
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ishigamisenku_

red delta
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@torpid pumice

torpid pumice
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omfg

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im

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so fucking sorry

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i didnt even write the q properly

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im so sorry

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wait no its right

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imlosing my mind

torpid pumice
red delta
flat frigateBOT
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ishigamisenku_

torpid pumice
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ok so 200/20 = (r^4-1)/(r^2-1)

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10 = (r^4-1)/(r^2-1)

red delta
torpid pumice
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ohr yeah

red delta
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$10 = (r^4-1)/(r^2-1)$
$10 r^2 - 10 = r^4 - 1$

flat frigateBOT
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ishigamisenku_

red delta
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collect like terms

torpid pumice
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okay makes sense

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10r^2 - 9 = r^4

red delta
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then $r^4 - 10r^2 + 9 = 0$

flat frigateBOT
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ishigamisenku_

torpid pumice
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okayy

red delta
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factorize

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continue from here

vapid cypress
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or just assume r^2 = x

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and use quadratic formula

torpid pumice
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OH

vapid relic
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Isn't r^4-1=(r^2+1)(r^2-1)?

torpid pumice
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i kept trying to figure out where a went n all you just ignored it

red delta
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calm brook
# flat frigate **ishigamisenku\_**

then $r^4 - 10r^2 + 9 = 0$ \
let\
$r ^2 = x\$

$x^2 - 10x + 9 =0$\

$=> \frac{10 \pm \sqrt{100 - 4 (9)}}{2}$\
$= \frac{10 \pm 8}{2}$\

$r^2 = \frac{18}{2} = 9 $\
$r = \pm 3$\
or\
$r^2 = \frac{2}{2} = 1 $\
$r = \pm 1$\

r is either 3, -3, 1, -1

red delta
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|r| = 3

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r = 3

red delta
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bru

red delta
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yes

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it doesn't know how to write ±

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flat frigateBOT
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realtime

red delta
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calm brook
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I got r^2 = 9 and 1

red delta
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so its r^2 = 9

calm brook
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ah

red delta
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r^2 = 9
(r^4 - 1)(r^2 - 1) = 10

calm brook
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if r=1, -1 in

(r^4 - 1)(r^2 - 1) = 0

(1 - 1) (1 -1) = 0
0*0 = 0

red delta
calm brook
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I dont get you

red delta
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i omitted the divide sign

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this is what i mean

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if its 1 then (r^4 - 1)/(r^2 - 1) = 0/0 or -1/0
so its r^2 = 9
r^2 = 9
(r^4 - 1)(r^2 - 1) = 10

calm brook
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ahh

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im sry

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yeah

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s oit only has 2 solutions

red delta
calm brook
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what about this equtiona

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$r^4 - 10r^2 + 9 = 0$ \

flat frigateBOT
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realtime

calm brook
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for this -1 and +1 do happen to reach 0

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1 - 10 + 9 = 0

red delta
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hmm thonk

calm brook
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also 3^4 - 10 (3)^2 + 9 = 0

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so -3 and +3 work

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Why are you multiplying the x coordinates by 2?

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Just leave it as such

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and then substitute into the equation of the line

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and that gives you the coordinates of P and Q

stable sedge
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oh wait frick

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so $y = x+ k = \frac{(-k \pm \sqrt{-k^2+8})}{2} + k = \frac{(k \pm \sqrt{-k^2+8})}{2} $ if i can add right

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$y = x+ k = \frac{(-k \pm \sqrt{-k^2+8})}{2} + k = \frac{(k \pm \sqrt{-k^2+8})}{2}$

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ISAVAGE

stable sedge
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ok

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then would i add the two and divide by two?

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please say yes

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ok gud

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am i trippin $\sqrt{-k^2+8}} $???

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oh wait

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M(-k, k)???

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but i then that would be wrong 😭

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hjhmmm

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i redid got (-2k, 2k) but also wrong oof

stable sedge
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isnt it $(x1+x2)/2, (y1+y2)/2$?

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ISAVAGE

stable sedge
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isnt the 1/2 over the fraction?

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oh i forgot k

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im trippin lemme look again

tardy mango
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nvm it's $\left(\frac{\sqrt{8-k^2}}{2}, -\frac{1}{2} \sqrt{8-k^2} \right)$$

stable sedge
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wut u get -k/2??

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tardy mango
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I'm multitasking so I'm doing this in my head lol

stable sedge
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i was too lazy but ??

tardy mango
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your intersections are wrong

stable sedge
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i thought we are finding the midpoint?

tardy mango
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...

stable sedge
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cant u simply do that???

tardy mango
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read what you wrote carefully

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and compare.

stable sedge
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ok imma just rewrite everytghing i have

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$x = \frac{-k\pm\sqrt{-k^2+8}}{2}, y = \frac{k\pm\sqrt{-k^2+8}}{2} \
\therefore, \
P(\frac{-k + \sqrt{-k^2+8}}{2}, \frac{k+\sqrt{-k^2+8}}{2}), \ Q(\frac{-k - \sqrt{-k^2+8}}{2}, \frac{k - \sqrt{-k^2+8}}{2}) \$
The midpoint $M$ of $PQ$ is
$M(\frac{x1 + x2}{2}, \frac{y1 + y2}{2})$

flat frigateBOT
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ISAVAGE

stable sedge
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is that right?

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like on the first line?

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arent they just solutions to the line when substituted?

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ok for the P and Q is it the same?

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tho

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cuz yours rewords the numbers

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if thats the case imma divide by 2 again to find the midpoint hopefuly it works

tardy mango
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I read the output incorrectly

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it's (-k/2, k/2)

stable sedge
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o

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oh

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wait then i could have just did -b/2a

stable sedge
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tho

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🙏

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sorry for being really dumb

tardy mango
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massive faults on both sides lol

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let's just move on from this

stable sedge
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yea aha

tardy mango
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anything else?

stable sedge
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well tbh i dont really understand the follow up question

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but its ok

tardy mango
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what's the follow up question?

stable sedge
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when the value of k changes in the range found in Question (1) i.e. $-2\sqrt{2}<k<k2\sqrt{2}$, find the locus of Midpoint M like bro i thought we just did that

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ISAVAGE

stable sedge
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like did we not just do that

tardy mango
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wait send the entire question

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cause I kinda forgot it tbh

stable sedge
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ok

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  1. Given that circle $x^2 + y^2 = 4$ and line $y = x + k$ intersect at two different points $P$ and $Q$, solve the following questions. \
    (1) Find the range of the values of constant $k$. alr did, i.e., $-2\sqrt{2}<k<2\sqrt{2}$
    (2) Express the midpoint $M(x,y)$ of line segment $PQ$ in terms of $k$. we just did this one $M(-k/2,k/2)$
    (3) When the value of $k$ changes in the range found in question (1), find the locus of midpoint $M$.
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OMG

tardy mango
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it's fine

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ik what it says

stable sedge
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ok

tardy mango
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I think it means to find a geometric figure that all M lie on

flat frigateBOT
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ISAVAGE

stable sedge
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ok nvm

tardy mango
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ex. a circle centered at the origin w/ radius 1

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obv this isn't the answer to this question

stable sedge
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like i know locus is like a line, circle, parabola etc

tardy mango
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yeah

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so which of those figures will all possible locations of M lie on?

stable sedge
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figures meaning the locus?

tardy mango
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yeah

stable sedge
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well

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maybe when the line is perpendicular?

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cuz when i move the line down M is like diagonal

tardy mango
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Hold on

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are you japanese

stable sedge
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nah lol

tardy mango
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oh nvm

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💀

stable sedge
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ok

tardy mango
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I was about to switch languages cause the (1), (2), (3) is smthn I've only seen in Japan to represent subparts

tardy mango
stable sedge
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like when u change the value of k

tardy mango
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perpedicular to what?

stable sedge
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to y = x + k

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or maybe i could use points that pass through M

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?

tardy mango
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but idt you rlly need that to figure out the locus

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there's a much simpler way

tardy mango
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ok i would use k = 2, -2

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lemme see

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i wait im using desmos

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so it would obv be (1,-1), (-1, 1)

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then i would do
$y - 1 = \frac{-1 - 1 (x - (-1))}{1 - (-1)}$

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stable sedge
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uh

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weird format

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bruh my pencil is gone

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nvm

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ayo its $y = -x$

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tardy mango
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yeah

stable sedge
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dam

tardy mango
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an easy way to recognise this is that the y coord is the negative of the x coord

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tho to be safe, you might want to restrict the domain

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cause there are certainly k where there's no intersections b/w the two graphs

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like u mean $-2\sqrt{2} < k < 2\sqrt{2}$

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wait

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thats in k

tardy mango
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good catch

stable sedge
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uh

tardy mango
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Recall the midpoint is (-k/2, k/2)

stable sedge
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hm

tardy mango
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The x value is -k/2, so the range is ||-sqrt 2 < x < sqrt 2||

stable sedge
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sorry i dced

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wait the midpoint lies within the range

stable sedge
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cuz then it would make the x value -k/2

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alr thank you

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cinder oxide
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Use identites to simplify the following expressions
-tan(-x)cot(-x)

cinder oxide
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Any ideas on how to simplify this expression?
I had tried but I honestly don't know if it's 1 or -1

rustic goblet
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show what you've done

cinder oxide
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This is what I have done.

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But I think I maybe have made a mistake

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Not sure about the identities

rustic goblet
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you have -(-tan)(-cot) = tan*cot

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when it should be -tan*cot

cinder oxide
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Well isn't the identity is that.
if theta is negative. then tan is positive and vice versa?

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same thing with cot

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If cot(-x) OR -cot(x)

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yk?

rustic goblet
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tan is an odd function

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so tan(-x) = -tanx

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same with cotx

cinder oxide
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That's what I kinda meant.

rustic goblet
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so your boxed identities are true

cinder oxide
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Okay. then I don't see the mistake though

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Like is it 1 or -1?

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Hold on

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I honestly have zero clue on this matter

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The identites are a bit confusing.

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I do know that both are odd functions

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But your telling me that it should be -tan*cot

autumn drum
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anyone please help me with this question-Consider that a, b, c, d are positive real numbers satisfying (a + c)(b + d) = ac + bd.
Find the smallest possible value of S=a/b+b/c+c/d+d/a

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yes

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but your next line

cinder oxide
rustic goblet
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is written as if there were only 2 negatives

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yes

cinder oxide
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I didn't write any negatives

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Oh..

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Right right

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so -tan(x) cot(x)

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correct?

rustic goblet
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yes

cinder oxide
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Okay..
so this would mean that the answer is -1?

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yes

cinder oxide
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Okay so the work is correct. just the final answer

rustic goblet
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yeah you made a simple sign error

cinder oxide
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And a negative

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Yeah

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Alright thank you

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@rustic goblet 🫶

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In order to compute the area of a particular circle, Juan first measures the length of its diameter. The actual diameter is 20 cm, but Juan's measurement has an error of up to $20%$. What is the largest possible percent error, in percent, in Juan's computed area of the circle?

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!satoro !

neon summit
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20 percent of 20 is 4

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i think i misread the question

flat kiln
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uhh

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yeah I think so

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so 20% is either 16 or 24 right?

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yes

flat kiln
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so do we just take one of them into account?

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yeah

neon summit
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so the actual area is pi10^2

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Result:

1.44
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so the correct one should be 100pi, the other one should be 144pi right?

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1.44

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so 44% ?

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is that how you do it?

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Anyone mind quickly double checking this?

For a number X to be in A the following rules must be met: If the prime number p divides n, then 2p+1 also divides n.
Find the smallest member of A

spare forum
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I got 10 but im scared its somehow wrong it feels to easy

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10 definitely seems to work since 2 is prime and divides 10, and 2*2+1=5 also divides 10. The initial statement says "number X" and then uses n instead which is weird to me, but what you got seems valid. And numbers less than 10 don't seem to work

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sorry x and n is a mistake on my part im used to n for intergers

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Oh wait, the trick might be that 5 is also prime, but 11 doesn't divide 10

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hmm so for all primes that divide it then 2p+1 must divide it. I interpreted it as if theres only one p because of the word “the”

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Hmm, I've found that $$2\cdot5\cdot11\cdot23\cdot47\cdot19\cdot\left(3\cdot13\right)\cdot\left(7\cdot9\right)$$ seems to satisfy the constraints, but it might not be the smallest

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Maybe you can argue that 2 has to be a prime divisor and work from there actually

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Yeah, I think that works

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2 actually doesnt have to be i think since if you start with a prime the next number 2p+1 will always be odd. And to find the LCD you would have multiply two odd numbers together which is always odd

tiny wraith
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Lol, I messed up parity my bad

spare forum
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dw i interpreted the problem completely wrongly so just a partity mistake is fine lmao

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can we say that n is always equal to the product of the primes that divide it and the 2p+1’s

tiny wraith
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Yeah, but some of the p's might be 2p + 1's as well

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7 for example

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(if 2 is in the factorization at least)

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so you get these chains

spare forum
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yeah excluding the overlap then

tiny wraith
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I'm kinda afraid that it's impossible to prove that a certain prime is the factorization of n though

spare forum
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Hmm there seems to be something with sophie germain primes maybe

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Theyre primes p such that 2p+1 is also prime

tiny wraith
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What kind of class is this probem from btw?

spare forum
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highschool challenge problem

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So probably 11th 12th ish

tiny wraith
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okay, I should know enough theory then

spare forum
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I have side tutoring for some early uni stuff but that probably wont be needed

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yeah

tiny wraith
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(I'm in last year of high school, but I have done olympiad stuff, so I'm familiar with nt)

spare forum
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Nice

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You think this is somehow useful

tiny wraith
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Is this fermat's last theorem?

spare forum
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its to do with it but its a stand alone theorem

tiny wraith
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I've tried a couple things and it seems like starting with any prime below 30 will give a sequence like the one I sent, but without 2

spare forum
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just conjecturing maybe the solution could be the first non sophie germain prime since that would only need to divide itself?