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paper depot
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you're using X in two different senses here

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is X the headcount of cows that give milk or is X the fraction of cows that produce milk?

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@deep cliff

deep cliff
paper depot
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you should cross your sevens so that this handwriting mishap doesn't happen.

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and it also doesn't explain 8.33

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where did 8.33 come from?

deep cliff
paper depot
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35*1/3 is 11.67 yes (if you're rounding to two decimal places)

deep cliff
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oh ok so thats wat seems to caused the problem

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digital shell
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how do i get f3

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digital shell
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w is this calculated

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i don'te ven have multiple channels

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how is f3's magnitude calculated

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wary mantle
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Show that when six people meet, either three of them know each other pairwise or don't know each other.

wary mantle
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So one of the six people can either know two others or not know three others

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In the second case, we have three (even four) that don't know each other

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In the first case, we have three that know each other pairwise, don't we?

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hard atlas
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just because the first guy doesnt know three others tells you nothing about how these three know/not know each other

wary mantle
crimson jetty
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i would approach by drawing graphs

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idk

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like drawing

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could probably brute force that way

hard atlas
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(btw dont ignore the bot)

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well but those two situations arent opposites

wary mantle
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oh

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It comes down to the pigeonhole principle

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Thanks

hard atlas
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yes

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wary mantle
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Determine x

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We could say that a lenght increase of 5.5 corresponds to a height increase of 1.1

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Thus, a length increase of 0.5 corresponds to a height increase of 0.1

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And so x = 3.5

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Is there an alternative way?

astral shadow
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Are those line segments parallel?

boreal star
vast shale
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whats the question?

boreal star
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Also, I don't think your approach gives the correct answer

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, rotate

twin meteorBOT
boreal star
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Using similar triangles, you can try to solve for x, and then eventually y

river flame
boreal star
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I'm not sure how

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toxic inlet
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If y=ln(1+sinx) why e^y=1 +sin x

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hard atlas
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well thats what ln does

toxic inlet
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more detailed explanation please?

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means that e^lnx =x?

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is this true?

hard atlas
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yes

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by definition of ln

toxic inlet
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okay thanks!

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undone cedar
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does someone know how to solve this?

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im really clueless

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lofty ivy
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On this problem, I am able to understand the first proof forward, but to prove that T is injective since ST forms identity map on V, I'm confused as to how it says that 'a_m' makes sense.

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humble flame
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Hi, I wanna know if this is the right way to proceed in this problem

mild flower
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seems good to me thumbsupsad

humble flame
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I did some further work I think I’m stuck

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spark storm
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Almost got it, where do you think you got stuck

humble flame
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The last step

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How do I find sin inverse 1/ root m+1

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<@&286206848099549185>

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vast shale
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in the first two functions, when you sum everything up, how are you supposed to get the actual sum, if they are in the negative?

vast shale
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when you do f(x) * delta x, but f(x) on one half is negative and on the other half it is positive, it will equal zero

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but that's not the actual approximation of the area

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and in the formula, there is no "absolute value of"

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to clarify my question, the left part of the interval is negative, how can I calculate it with Riemann sums?

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if I just sum everything up, it wouldn't equal the true value, would it?

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if for example the area of [0,1] is - 2/3, and of [1, 2] is +4/3, how do I add sum these up in the sigma notation?

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do I need to do something like --> |x|

mild flower
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"area under a curve" is kind of a simplification of an integral
yes negative area is a thing and that's okay, that's intentional actually

vast shale
mild flower
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the integral of x from -1 to 1 is 0

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sometimes integrals cancel out and that's again fine and intentional

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the stuff below the x-axis will be negative

vast shale
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oh so it can happen that they cancel out?

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but that's not the actual area is it

mild flower
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that's the "signed area" which is again often what we're actually looking for

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eg if our curve represents velocity then the integral represents how much our position changed

vast shale
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oh that makes ton of sense oh my god

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yeah I can imagine that with a velocity curve

vast shale
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do I then take the |x| value

mild flower
vast shale
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yeah I guess, depending on where I put the 0=y

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I feel as though my second and third answers are correct but would the first function be considered neither?

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somber yew
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1,2,4 are all wrong

random totem
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What about them considers them wrong?

somber yew
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Explain why you think they are right

random totem
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I think that they are right since every element of the codomain is the image of at least one element from the domain for 1 and 4

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and 2 i thought the opposite with the elements of the codomain being the image of at most one element from the domain

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The only thing I can think of is that I got my meanings of injective and surjective flipped

somber yew
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Wait, how are you reading that notation? How is 5 the image of an element in 1?

random totem
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These are the two different way Im looking at it. Im guessing the first depiction of it would be wrong

somber yew
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It's right just draw the arrows from left to right

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  • add 5 and remove a 2
random totem
somber yew
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All right, so surjective means that an arrow should arrive everywhere at the right side

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And this is obviously not the case here

random totem
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Oh so surjective is when every element is at least one from the domain?

somber yew
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And injective means that there is at most one arrow arriving at each node on the right

random totem
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So it isn't either of them essentially?

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_daili

somber yew
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Graphically it just means that an arrow should arrive at every element on the right

vast shale
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Hello

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I am new to this server

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My name is renshuu

somber yew
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vast shale
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Ok

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Thank you

random totem
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So an injective would look like this?

somber yew
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This is injective and surjective and therefore bijective

random totem
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So bijective is when it is both?

somber yew
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Surjective = an arrow arrives on every element at the right, injective: at most one arrow arrives at every element on the right

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bijective is per definition injective and surjective

random totem
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Ohhh makes sense haha my apologies

somber yew
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Note that for two sets with equal finite size only injective is impossible

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Then injective automatically implies bijective

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Can you now see what the answers should be to the original questions?

random totem
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yeah most definitely, I see the answers to the original question. so the first two are deemed neither whilst 4 is seen as bijective as well

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Thank you very much

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hybrid fossil
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how come h must be a part of [G, G]

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gy g^-1 y^-1 = h for which g and y

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also if for any h, h is in [G,G] then how is [G,G] any different from G

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ahh wait i am dumb

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h is in [G, G] by assumption lol

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viral galleon
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Why is this wrong

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viral galleon
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Isnt it f(b)-f(a)

floral pike
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presumably line 3 is the question as it was given to you?

viral galleon
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line 1-3 is the question

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line 3 is just reformmated

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because its over a cube

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so u write out the triple integrals

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the rpoblam was originally line 1-2

floral pike
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ok so they said integrate in x, y and z over those intervals.

viral galleon
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yes

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so i am starting by integrating with respect to z

floral pike
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looks like you integrated x and y wrong

viral galleon
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i didnt integrate x and y

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i integrated with respect to z

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because u have to do inside first

floral pike
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then why is there still the differential dz?

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and why are the other two missing?

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in line 4

viral galleon
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because i didnt differentiate in that line

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ok check

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second to last line

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and last line

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thats where integration was done

floral pike
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how can you say you didn't integrate

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when you removed the integrals and the differentials for x and y?

viral galleon
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bro...

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u have to do

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one at a time

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its a triple integral

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u cant do all at oncwe

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i didnt remove it

floral pike
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no kidding

viral galleon
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im doing inside first

floral pike
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if you are doing the inside first

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(as you should)

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why did you leave dz were it is?

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and remove the other integrals?

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they are supposed to stay untouched

viral galleon
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to remind myself to differentiate with respect to z

floral pike
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if you were integrating wrt z, you did it wrong

viral galleon
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that isnt the problem im having

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ok

floral pike
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you should have a factor of sine

viral galleon
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so what i did wrong

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i do...

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ok forget the triple integral

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just look at the inside

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cuz thats the issue

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according to online

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i have to change

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the interval

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to y+pi

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and y

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for some reason

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but i am not sure why

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u see at the end

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of integration

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it was sin

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not cos

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i always thought integration at the end was simply f(b)-f(a)

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but apparently this problem is not supposed to be that way

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that is what im trying to understand

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Maybe this makes it more clear

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This is what i think

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Answer is

floral pike
# viral galleon

because you can consider the y variable a constant in the first integration, you can get away with just ignoring it in the integration (the result you got implies this, and you will learn this the more integration you do)

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you still had two more integrations to do.

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What you really want to do is hold onto the integrals you aren't using

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Until you are ready to use them

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This is the same advice I give students who are learning Algebra. If something hasn't changed or isn't getting moved, leave it alone

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You can do work in the margins but avoid shortcuts that will confuse you later (like not writing parts of the integral you aren't working yet)

viral galleon
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how did you go from line 2

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to line 3

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i am with u

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on line 2

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just dont understand

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why line 3 is that instead of what i got

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because it should be f(b)-f(a)

floral pike
viral galleon
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is the logic that x^4 is supposed to stay on the outside when we do f(b)-f(a) since it is respect to z

floral pike
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yeah as long as it is to the right of the integral wrt x

viral galleon
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i dont understand

floral pike
viral galleon
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we are doing wrt z so im confused

floral pike
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yes, we are integrating with respect to z

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so the factor of x^4 can be safely nestled directly to the right of the integral the belongs to the x-business

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(you can move it to the left of the z-integral)

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look at my work

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I did this.

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or rather, I did it for the factors that will be integrated with respect to (wrt) y

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the factors that are integrated with respect to y, I moved between the y-integral (on the left) and the x-integral (on the right)

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line 4

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For this problem, we could have nudged x^4 between the x-integral and the z-integral immediately.

viral galleon
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Now i did

floral pike
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the problem would not have been any different.

viral galleon
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Wrt x

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I think I understand now

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Is it right

floral pike
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no

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you only have one integral

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what about integration with respect to y?

viral galleon
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will do after

floral pike
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you keep dropping your integrals

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stop it

viral galleon
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work is hard to track if i put all at once

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that is why i do like this

floral pike
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I disagree

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because you think you are done

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even though you aren't

viral galleon
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i am not

floral pike
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ALSO

viral galleon
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done

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im asking for dx

floral pike
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you are using an equals sign

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so you are saying things that aren't true

viral galleon
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when i check on calculator

floral pike
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...by dropping those integrals

viral galleon
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it says it is right

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for atleast

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the first 2

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not all

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bcs i have to do y now

floral pike
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ok, go ahead and finish then

viral galleon
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alright

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ok

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i got right answer

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thanks

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it was

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-2474.4

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that took

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so long

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so many numbers

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been studying for 3 hours

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i take break now

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thanks again

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this was my work btw

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i like thinking in blocks rather than put everything inside each other

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its confusing

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one block is for z

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then x

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then y

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if that makes sense

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even if it is technically wrong its more clear in my head

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if i think in steps

floral pike
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I think you need to keep the integrals or you are going to make mistakes

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it costs you very, very little to put a couple more symbols on the outside

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it helps keep your work organized

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but I am glad you could solve this

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good job

viral galleon
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thanks

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Did one more easy one

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I decided to just add one more integral sign like u said to keep track of number

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now i actually take break

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vast shale
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can you really do that?

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regal slate
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do what?

vast shale
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differenciate y like that

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idk

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is it because it's a function of x?

iron flame
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youre differentiating wrt x right?

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then yes, its an application of the chain rule

vast shale
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$$ \frac{d}{dy} y^3 = 3y^2y'$$ ???????

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oh

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no

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huh?

iron flame
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its with respect to x

twin meteorBOT
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brandon_hu

iron flame
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so $\dv x (y^3)=3y^2y'$

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whoa thats big okay

vast shale
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that is what he said hmmCat

twin meteorBOT
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litely

iron flame
vast shale
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?

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you said that

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idk

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so

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you can't do the power rule here

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because y isn't x?

iron flame
vast shale
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so you have to do chain rule

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because

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y is a function of x

iron flame
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yup, y is a function

vast shale
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yeah

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i keep forgeting

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that dx is on bottom not dy

iron flame
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yupyup

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if we say like y=g(x)

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we ask you you do differentiate g(x)^3

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you would know that to be 3g(x)^2*g'(x)

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an application of the chain rule

vast shale
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I see

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But

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isn't it

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like

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weird

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to

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reference a function inside itself

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like

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f(x) = 2f(x)

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y = 2y +x 😭

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y=-x

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bad example

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but anyways

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Thank you for your help

iron flame
iron flame
vast shale
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HOW

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@iron flame how did you get bug hunter badge

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I NEED THAT

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What did you do?

iron flame
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tho this is offtopic for a help channel, so you should probably go ahead and close whenever ure ready

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shell violet
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Could someone please help 😭

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With question 13)

shell violet
ornate ember
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here's what it looks like

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so that's (a)

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for (b), we just need to identify the x values for the intersections, which you can see from the screenshot

ornate ember
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shell violet
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Whatever I wrote idk if it’s right

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The answer in the back of my textbook says it’s wrong

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vast shale
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how did they decide to make the opposite side to $$\theta$$ x?

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brandon_hu

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sin(theta) = x was assumed

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SOHCAHTOA would suggest sin(theta) = opp/hyp

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it's just notation not that significant

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so

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they did

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$$sin(arcsin(\theta))$$

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brandon_hu

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but

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okay

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makes sense

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x/1

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Here is a question and solution from an exam (whats cut off at the top of the solution is just dotting u_1 and u_2 to confirm that they are orthogonal). Can someone explain the solution to me? I'm not sure why u=proj_U(v) is a choice that confirms w=u-v will be in the orthog. complement of U.

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compute w*x for x in U

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and try making a sketch of the situation

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I'm sorry, I'm not exactly sure what sort of sketch you want me to make? and w*x=0, but this doesn't answer my question as far as I can see

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Like yes, u=proj_U(v), w=v-u works, but why are they so sure when choosing u=proj_U(v) that w will end up being in the complement?

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you want u = c1u1+c2u2 to be so that v-u is orthogonal

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if you set up the equations you just end up with this specific choice of u

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picking proj_U is something you do after knowing it will work

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ok that makes more sense now I think. Thanks

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Is there an algorithm to tell if a random permutation in one line notation(31675428, representing the cycle (136472)) is odd or even?

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because you can write it as a product of transpositions

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(a b c) = (a b) (b c)

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try to generalize that

patent nymph
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What if you are given just 31675428

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Would the fastest way be to compute the length of the cycles and then get the number of transpositions?

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Or is there some way to tell based on the images of the numbers under the permutation

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don't troll.

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<@&268886789983436800>

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at least open your own channel.

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I suppose you could count the number of inversions but that also seems painful. just compute cycle notation. just start with an element and compute the relevant cycle and so on

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It's not like computing the cycle decomposition is slow, it's prolly O(n) if you're working in S_n

patent nymph
# patent nymph Is there an algorithm to tell if a random permutation in one line notation(31675...

Maybe I’ve fallen into the XY problem so I’ll ask the question I was trying to solve
I am trying to use code to make a random even permutation, the way I thought of was choose a random number from 1 to 8 for the first one, then a different number for the second one, and so on. Then I would just have to check if it were even, and then swap the last two numbers. That’s why I asked this question

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Let $P_1$ be the projection matrix onto the line spanned by the vector $a = \begin{pmatrix} 1 \ 2 \ 3 \end{pmatrix}$. Let $P_2$ be the
projection matrix that projects vectors onto the plane perpendicular to span of $a$. Find the determinant of $P_1 + P_2$

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real gale
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I can find the P_1

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I don't know how to proceed further

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$P_1 = \frac{1}{14} \begin{bmatrix} 1 & 2 & 3 \ 2 & 4 & 6 \ 3 & 6 & 9 \end{bmatrix}$

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real gale
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Maybe I should find a vector perpendicular to a and find the matrix that projects vectors on to the span of that perpendicular vector

patent nymph
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is there only 1 projection matrix onto that line?

real gale
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I think yes

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If you choose an orthonormal basis with one of the vectors being (1,2,3)/sqrt(1+4+9) then the matrix P_1 + P_2 becomes the identity

real gale
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How?

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I don't understand

distant eagle
# real gale How?

If a vector v is either parallel or orthogonal to the span of (1,2,3) then P_1 v + P_2 v = v

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If it is parallel then P_1 v = v and P_2 v = 0

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And if it is orthogonal then P_1 v = 0 and P_2 v = v

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[ \R^3 = \spn_\R \set a \oplus \orth {(\spn_\R \set a)} ]

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writing $x \in \R^3$ as
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x = v + w, \quad v \in \spn_\R \set a, ; w \in \orth {(\spn_\R \set a)}
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you have $P_1 x = v$ and $P_2 x = w$

real gale
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I'm not yet introduced to direct sums

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# twin meteor

every vector in $\R^3$ can be written \emph{uniquely} as a sum
[
x = v + w \textqq{where} v \in \spn_\R \set a, ; w \in \orth {(\spn_\R \set a)}
]

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the projection onto $\spn_\R \set a$ is just function which takes $x$ to $v$

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cobalt crypt
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and the projection onto the orthogonal $(\spn_\R \set a)^\perp$ is just the function which takes $x$ to $w$

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cobalt crypt
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*no, $v$ comes from $\spn_\R \set a$, which is a $1$-dimensional space, $w$ comes from $(\spn_\R \set a)^\perp$, which is a $2$-dimensional space

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cobalt crypt
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together they make up all of $\R^3$

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real gale
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🙆🏼‍♂️

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So, P_1 v + P_2 = v ?

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yes

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[
P_1 x = v, \quad P_2 x = w \implies (P_1 + P_2) x = v + w = x
]

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so $P_1 + P_2 = \id_{\R^3}$

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So you find the domain by knowing 1/x and making the bottom equal to 0 to find the holes. How do you find the range?

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Range is basically the set of all values which f(x) can produce

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A simple way to find it is to equate f(x) with some k, and then express x in terms of k. Then exclude the values of k for which x is not real

molten coral
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So how do we determain what x's aren't real? Because it can't be we go through every number

random peak
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Just like you did for f(x)

molten coral
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set it to 0?

random peak
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We know f(x) won't be defined if the denominator is 0

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Firstly express x in terms of k

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And then you basically want to make sure x is defined

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if H is subgroup of G and for a single g from G and for all h from H it is true that ghg^-1 is in H, does this mean gH=Hg?

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it is true that gH is subset of Hg

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i think

silk comet
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try proving it

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suppose you have gh where h in H, show that it is (something)g where something is in H

fiery crest
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but how to do it other way around

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Hg is subset of gH

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if its possible

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but this is for some random h1

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not for every h1 from H

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hmm, i don't think the other direction is possible unless you have invariance under conjugation by g^-1

fiery crest
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hmm

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fiery crest
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is true that for all h in H

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there exists a from H

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such that

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gag^-1=h

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every element in H is of the form ghg^-1 ?

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becouse when we take h from G and multiply with g and g^-1 we are again in H

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and we have this

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so we can make a map

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from H in H

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h -> ghg^-1

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and it will be bijection

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then maybe we can do something like this 😄

pastel cedar
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Are you still trying to show Hg is in gH?

If h is in H, so is h^-1, since it's a subgroup. You should then be able to see why g^-1hg is in H and then your first proof applies.

fiery crest
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why g^-1hg is in H

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Subgroups are closed under inverses.

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So about question 30.

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I get that u = -v - w - z

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I plug that in for u in the original statement

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I get 0 = 0

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How would I actually find the unit vectors for this, as they have to have length one

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what are your v,w,z ?

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do you know any vectors with length 1?

digital skiff
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I know of i, j, k

flat whale
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well it's the plane, so just i, j

digital skiff
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ah

flat whale
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yea just pick u,v,w,z in terms of those

digital skiff
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so I could do say, u = i, v = j, w = -i, z = -j?

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Okay that seems deceptively simple, appreciate you being helpful as always riemann

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Can somebody explain to me the definitions

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?

flat whale
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pick some examples, read them, and do some problems at the bottom

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but can you explain to me the definition

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the nottation

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at least

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how to read it

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WAIT

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I SKIPPED LIKE 4 PAGES

hushed valley
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Yo

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I think

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I got

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The

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Epsilon delta proof

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Wish me luck

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waddup bukaro

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so simply

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WAIT

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NVM

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this

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okay im pretty stumped on (a)

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i tried relating it to Z/nZ then clearly for any g in Z/nZ, g^n is in 0 + nZ

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ok but its asking about all g in Z

hybrid fossil
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I assumed in your example G=Z and H=nZ

hybrid fossil
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oh yes

hard atlas
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or do you want G=Z/nZ and then H some subgroup of that?

hybrid fossil
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i misunderstood

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i see what you mean yes for any g in Z, g^n is in 0 + nZ

hard atlas
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why

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also its better to write it as n*g

hybrid fossil
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yeah thats what im trying to figure out

hard atlas
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cause there actually is a multiplication in Z so lets not confuse that

hybrid fossil
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i guess for g in Z then g^n = e = 0

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mod n at least

hard atlas
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ok so for g in Z you consider the element (g+nZ) in Z/nZ

hybrid fossil
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yes

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and e is in g + nz iff g = 0

hard atlas
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no

hybrid fossil
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no?

hard atlas
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what about g=n

hybrid fossil
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aha

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good point

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e is in g + nz iff g = 0 mod n

hard atlas
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I dont really like working in Z here as an example because we are running into issues where n is both the index and possibly an element of the group itself

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and the whole additive vs multiplicative notation

hybrid fossil
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oh alright

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perhaps better to work with the symmetric group as example

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or maybe D_4

hard atlas
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I think its better to just start abstractly from the start. but ok maybe thats just me

hybrid fossil
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yeah thats probably even better

hard atlas
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so we have G and we have H. we have an element g in G and the associated coset gH

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we want to show g^n in H

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can you express this using a coset

hybrid fossil
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we can write (gH)^n = g^n H

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do you mean like that?

hard atlas
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that will be a puzzle piece for sure

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I just mean "g^n in H"

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this written as a statement about cosets

hybrid fossil
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well g^n is certainly in g^n H

hard atlas
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yes

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well lets not write it as that because of finite/infinite issues

hybrid fossil
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ah yeah i see

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only the index is assumed to be finite

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okay so we have g^n is certainly in g^n H

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so g^n must therefore also be in (gH)^n since (gH)^n = g^n H

young blaze
# hybrid fossil

Uncertain, but to provide a conceptualization: (a) consider that $H$ is a normal subgroup of $G$ and $n=[G:H]$. This means that $G$ is partitioned into $n$ left cosets of $H$ (equivalently right cosets since $H$ is normal), say $g_1H, g_2H, ..., g_nH$. Let $g \in G$. We can express $g$ as $g = g_i h$ for some $1 \leq i \leq n$ and some $h \in H$. We have $g^n = (g_i h)^n = (g_i^n)(h^n)$. Because $H$ is normal, the index $n$ is also the number of different $gH$ for $g \in G$, and so $g_i^n \in H$. Since $H$ is a subgroup, it's closed under multiplication and thus $h^n \in H$ for all $h \in H$. Therefore, $g^n = (g_i^n)(h^n) \in H \ \ \blacksquare$. (b) consider $g = (123)$

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adzetto

hard atlas
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!nosols

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As a helper, please do not give out answers that could be copied as a homework solution. Have the student work through the problem themselves and guide them along the way.

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ah

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well that does make sense

hard atlas
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well ok that rather spoilt it

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anyway

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the simple statement I wanted was g^n in H iff g^nH = H as cosets

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cause then we have g^nH = (gH)^n = ? = H

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why does the last equality hold?

young blaze
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I just left the b part to the solver but I wanted to give the a part because the conversation is getting longer. ^^

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who cares if the conversation is getting longer

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that helps in understanding

hybrid fossil
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g^n H = H iff g^-n is in H

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i dont think thats useful actually

hard atlas
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do you want to use aH=bH iff a^-1 b in H?

hybrid fossil
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yes

hard atlas
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two options: either switch the role of a and b

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or, consider that H is a subgroup and therefore closed under inverses

hybrid fossil
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g^n H = H iff g^n is in H

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but isnt that circular reasoning

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you cant really conclude anything from that can you

hard atlas
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why should it be circular?

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and we will conclude what we want from that

hybrid fossil
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if g^n H = H, then by the theorem with the a,b you have that g^n in H

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and if g^n in H then clearly g^n H = (element in H)*H = H

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both directions work on their own

hybrid fossil
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oh yeah

hard atlas
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ok, so to recap

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our original goal was g^n in H

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our new goal is to show that g^nH = H

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you already noted that g^nH = (gH)^n

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so we now need to argue that (gH)^n = H

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why is that true

hybrid fossil
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i want to argue because of the index

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but im not sure where to go with that

hard atlas
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what does the index mean

hybrid fossil
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its the number of different (left) cosets of H in G

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we can omit left since H is normal

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omit?

hard atlas
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omit

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yes

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or in other words, it is the number of elements in the quotient group G/H

hybrid fossil
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yes

hard atlas
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(we use H being normal here to have a group)

hybrid fossil
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thats not true for subgroups?

hard atlas
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G/H is not a group for just subgroups H

hybrid fossil
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good to know, ill check that later

hard atlas
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yes, go through the proof of G/H being a group again and note where you used that H is normal and where you used that H is a subgroup

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but ignoring that for a second

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if you are in some group with n elements and you take an element a in that group and compute a^n

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what is that

hybrid fossil
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a

hard atlas
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no

hybrid fossil
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no

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e

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woops

hard atlas
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yes

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the identity

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we are in the group G/H here

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we have the element a=gH

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what is the identity in G/H

hybrid fossil
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ah yes

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well the identity is eH

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= H

hard atlas
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yes

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which is our last puzzle piece

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can you put it all together?

hybrid fossil
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so therefore g^n H = (gH)^n = eH = H

hard atlas
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yes

hybrid fossil
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wow okay

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massive thanks

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that is really satisfying

hard atlas
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yeah I also really like it

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going into the quotient group to conclude something about the big group

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with in the end just a single line

hybrid fossil
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hahah yeah

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really quite neat

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i guess ill close this now

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How many points $(x, y)$ with $x, y \in \mathbb Z$ are there so that $|x| + |y| \leq 10$?

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wary mantle
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We can set x to different values and find how many y satisfy, right?

hard atlas
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yes

wary mantle
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For x = -10, there is 1 y

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For x = -9, there are 3 y, right?

hard atlas
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which ones?

wary mantle
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0, 1, -1

hard atlas
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yes

wary mantle
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For x = -8, there are 5, right?

hard atlas
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yes

wary mantle
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So we will have 1 + 3 + 5 + ...

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Up to 21, right?

wary mantle
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Right?

hard atlas
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well that only takes care of x=-10 up to x=0

wary mantle
hard atlas
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no

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how many options are there for x=10

wary mantle
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1

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y = 0

hard atlas
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x=9?

wary mantle
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So we just need the double

hard atlas
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make sure not to count x=0 twice

wary mantle
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1+3+5+..+19+21+19+...+5+3+1

wary mantle
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Is x = 0 counted twice there?

hard atlas
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yes it is

wary mantle
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The 1s come from y = 0 and x = 0

hard atlas
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I mean in your formula

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its double counted

wary mantle
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We double that

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The 1 counts x = 0

hard atlas
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yes so we have the 21 two times

wary mantle
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Oh

wary mantle
hard atlas
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you fix x and then count the options for y

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you can afterwards fix y and then count everything all over again

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how about instead of |x|+|y|<=10 you do |x|+|y| <= 4

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so you dont have to use ...

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and mess up something with those

wary mantle
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Right?

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We we need to subtract off one 21

hard atlas
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yes

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Thanks!

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formal gazelle
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Are -3^-x and x^-1 exponential functions?

formal gazelle
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I think they both are not

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But correct me

glossy maple
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$-3^{-x}$

twin meteorBOT
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redstoneplayz09

glossy maple
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$x^{-1} = \frac{1}{x}$

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redstoneplayz09

formal gazelle
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Oh Tysm

formal gazelle
glossy maple
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okay so you're right that 1/x is not exponential

formal gazelle
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The other is a exponential

glossy maple
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what

formal gazelle
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Typo

glossy maple
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what's the typo

formal gazelle
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I typed na and it autocorrected to a

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Sorry

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So they both are not exponential expressions right?

glossy maple
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-3^(-x) is exponential

formal gazelle
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How doesn’t the number have to be positive

glossy maple
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$-3^{-x} = -\parens{\frac{1}{3}}^x$

formal gazelle
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The number should be positive right

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redstoneplayz09

formal gazelle
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Oh that’s makes more sense

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Wait no

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It’s still negative

glossy maple
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1/3 is positive..

formal gazelle
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I mean yeah

glossy maple
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did you mean to ask about (-3)^(-x)

formal gazelle
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No

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Ty

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I get it

glossy maple
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ok

formal gazelle
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hidden niche
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Factor

vocal sleetBOT
hidden niche
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so

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I have to find p , q, r, s values

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and I know that
pq=8
(ps+qr)=-14

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rs=-15

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I don't really know what else to do

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floral ledge
broken crystal
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actually

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its kinda easy

hidden niche
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but maybe I misunderstood

broken crystal
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do we have to solve that

floral ledge
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i dont understand smth tho does this work? since (Ps+QR)=-14 by flipping them you get (Pq+rs)=-14 too does that work ?

floral ledge
broken crystal
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if so
p->-4, q->-2
s-> 5, r->-3

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fuck

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wait

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ok it ok now

floral ledge
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bahahaha

broken crystal
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okkk its iaght

floral ledge
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does mine work not sure when i sub in tho its -7 instead of =14

floral ledge
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does it not work or? not suere

hidden niche
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but how do I find these numbers

broken crystal
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thats because theres only two possible answers for each variables

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or no

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sigh

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kms

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im bad at explaining

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ok

floral ledge
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since ps=8 and rs=-15 by flipping ps+qr=-14 into Pq+qr=14 u can sub in the values of pq and rs now

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but its =7 instead of =14 so yea smth is wrong with me or i just dont understand....

broken crystal
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u mean pq and rs

floral ledge
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ah yes

broken crystal
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mmh

vocal sleetBOT
broken crystal
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but you cant flip them like that

floral ledge
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why?

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technically no matter which order you multipy wont u get the same value?

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if the numbers are the same

broken crystal
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because its not only multiplying its like also addition

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its true that multiplication is commutative

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but only if only multiplication is involved in the operation

floral ledge
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ohh

broken crystal
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you can try with different numbers

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it wont give the same answers

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its like (pq) + (rs)

floral ledge
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ahhh i see now

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then er

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idk how to slolve it alr...

broken crystal
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mmh

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well u can try with the different dividers (or wtv idk in english) of the products they give you

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like

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rs = -15

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the possible answers for r are 1, 3, 5, and 15

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and for s too

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and we can assume that either r or s is negative

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same with pq = 8

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the possible values are 1, 2, 4 or 8

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and they both have the same symbol

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because the product is positive

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HAHAHA im not pratical at all

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(ps+qr) = -14

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sigh

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ok

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so we can already see another possible equation which is the product of every variable pqrs which is -120 because -15*8= -120

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and with every possible answers we find that 2x5x3x4 = 120

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so we already know that each variable now has two possible values

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so the 1, 15 and 8 values are eliminated

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so with that

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bruh im such a bad explainer

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So

hidden niche
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don't worry I think it's clear

broken crystal
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ok imma make this quick

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with every possible answer we can find that either ps or qr would be a negative answer because if they were both negative it would give a far too high number and if they were positive well the answer would be positive

hidden niche
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I think I get this now

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thanks friend

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👍👍👍

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quartz acorn
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consider tossing 2 coins with the following random variable
x = number of heads when 2 coins are tossed.

quartz acorn
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the possibilities would be HH, TH, HT, and TT right?

ornate ember
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for two coin tosses yes!

soft walrus
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for two independent coins? yes

soft walrus
quartz acorn
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I have another question, if i were to make a probability distribution table would the x variables be (0,1,2) or (1,2)

night radish
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(0, 1, 2), possible for no heads

quartz acorn
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ffs

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yes

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-c;pse

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mortal dust
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If a, b, c are distinct integers then does the equation a⁴ + b⁴ = c⁵ have any solutions? If yes, find them all.

half imp
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a = -1, b = 0, c = 1

mortal dust
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Oh

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That's one

half imp
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finding all of them sounds hard though

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there's probably an infinite number though

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choose a and b such that 32 | a^4 + b^4

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then set c = 2

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now the equation is 32[(a^4 + b^4)/32] = (2)^5

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to balance this, multiply a, b, and c all by (a^4 + b^4)/32

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that procedure seems like it should generate infinitely many solutions

half imp
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a = n^5, b = 0, c = n^4 forms an infinite family of solutions, any integer n other than 0 or 1 works

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vast shale
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The derivative of 1/x is -1/x^2 right ? So if I choose x=2 it’s 0.5 and suppose a change occur in time increased by 1 x became 3 (x=3), 1/3 it’s approximately 0.333 , and based on the change occurred y’-y=>0.333-0.5= it’s approximately 167. But based on derivative which is -1/x^2 => 1/(0.5)^2 it’s like -4

vast shale
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How is it possible

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