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topaz zealot
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Fair enough, I happened to see that there was some struggling so I thought I'd give some additional help

steel night
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We only plug in if they are in a determinate form right

topaz zealot
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they both are? 😭

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you can get evaluate the limits by direct substitution

viscid bronze
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that's where your table earlier comes in

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because there was division of 0 giving undefined

steel night
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Ohhh right

proud geyser
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also, I recognize that text you showed earlier. who gave you that image, if I may ask?

steel night
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Oh

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Hanako

proud geyser
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oh, alright.

steel night
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So when we’re not told where the discountuiny is, we just look at where the function changes definition

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And that point will be where we test it

proud geyser
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boundary points are always prime suspects for discontinuities.

steel night
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When u say boundary point I thought it was the end points of the interval

proud geyser
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I rarely use boundary point to mean endpoint.

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if I do I will explicitly say what point I'm referring to.

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and you can question me if I don't. that is fine.

viscid bronze
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yes if both functions are continuous separately, the only possibility for a break to occur is the boundary point

steel night
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Could we just say point where the function changes definition to avoid confusion or is there any other name for it

viscid bronze
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you can say that

proud geyser
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there is another name for it. it's called boundary point lol.
but I prefer not to type a bunch if it is understood what boundary points are.

steel night
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I’ll just say boundary point alright 👍

viscid bronze
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i say breakpoint but it doesn't rlly matter ig

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as long as you get the point

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pun unintended

steel night
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The limit are not equal to each other which means there won’t be a max min in the interval

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As the max min states that it should be a closed interval and be a continuous function within the interval

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Wait

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I’m confusing my self

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Actually yeah

proud geyser
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if the function is not continuous, then the EVT (which is what your theorem is actually called, if I read the statement correctly) does not apply.

steel night
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Min max thereoum

proud geyser
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most people refer to it as the EVT.

steel night
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Oh ok

proud geyser
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just to confirm, your theorem statement is this:
If f is continuous in a closed interval [a, b], there exists points c, d in [a, b] such that f(c) \leq f(x) \leq f(d) for all x in [a, b].
correct?

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or equivalently,
If f is continuous in a closed interval, f attains a maximum and a minimum in the interval.

steel night
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Yea

proud geyser
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then yes, it is more commonly known as the extreme value theorem (EVT).

steel night
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Ah, I see

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So after the limits are not equal to each other at x approaches 2 , there won’t be a max min?

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It’s not going to be a continuous function from the start of the interval to the end of the interval

topaz zealot
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The limit as x->2 simply doesn’t exist

proud geyser
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well then the theorem doesn't even apply to begin with.

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it may happen that there is a max or min, but the conditions required for the EVT to apply are false, so it is not guaranteed.

steel night
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I see

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So putting aside EVT, we woudnt say there is a max min in that interval

proud geyser
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we cannot guarantee their existence.

steel night
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What does that mean

steel night
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Like we’re unsure

proud geyser
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yes.

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is your native language not English? I can try to see if I speak your native language.

deep kraken
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Do you speak Viet

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restive saffron
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what does the degree sign on top of A mean on the second equation?

ionic oar
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the complement of the set

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normally id see it as A^c but thats just notation

restive saffron
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oh yeah i use a^c as well thanks!

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Let $Q$ be a refinment of $P$. Then $L(g,P)≤L(g,Q)≤U(g,Q)≤U(g,P)$. But $U(g,P)=L(g,P)$. So $U(g,Q)=L(g,P)=U(g,P)$. Similarly $U(g,Q)=U(g,P)$. Thus as there exist a sequence of partitions such that $U(g,P_{\varepsilon})-L(g,P_{\varepsilon})<\varepsilon$ for all $\varepsilon>0$, $g$ is integrable

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latent quiver
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But I dont think you even needed to define a refinement Q

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You can do it directly with P

versed stratus
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I mean fair

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consider the constant seqeunce of partitions P,P...

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and we're done

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wooden surge
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Can someone help? For some reason i just cannot get my marginal profit to work as expected

wooden surge
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I set revenue to be 2300u, because u is in thousands and we naturally want them all to be in similar units, and so i then set profit P(x) = 2300u minus the original given function C(u), which after some simplifying turns out to -0.0022u^2 + 2299.87u - 330

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I then take the derivative of the profit and go from there

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wooden surge
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Did i misread it

hollow grail
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Marginal profit of 307 thousand batteries

wooden surge
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hmm ok

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i suppose that the "the manufacturer plans to charge wholesalers $2.30 per battery" maybe was what got me

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but thanks!!!! :)

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final radish
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Guys I don't have a clue how to do this

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tardy epoch
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how come the right side doesn't have an n

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analog cape
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you are in the right way just seprate equations the constes alone, the x alone and the x^2 alone

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I hope tha helped @final radish

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tender condor
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and also after what you've done so far, just group all the terms by constant, x, and x^2 and compare coefficients of these between LHS and RHS

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you also have quite a number of presentation issues but i think you should get the right answer before addressing these

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round island
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Can I grab another set of eyes to help me find my mistake?

polar fossil
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,rccw

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round island
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Just to clarify the answer is…. 16/sqrt 377

short crescent
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is that not what you got

polar fossil
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also like.... what's the question?

short crescent
round island
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The system said it wasn’t

round island
polar fossil
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why are we taking the sin of 5/√29?

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do you mean something like: sinA = 5/√29?

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if so, write that. you have two angles flying around here

round island
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It’s a whole big thing

short crescent
round island
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I don’t even….🫩

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She would rather me separate and write it all by triangle and- idk it’s weird

polar fossil
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that's fair enough, triangles are helpful, but like.... can you write something like a table then? or like

A

sin: 5/√29
cos: 2/√29
tan: 5/2

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idk

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it's just really hard to figure out what you've done

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we've got
cos(A - B) = cosA cosB + sinA sinB

round island
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Yes

polar fossil
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oh maybe it wants you to rationalise the denominator

round island
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Maybe

short crescent
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rationalizing marked you wrong on the last question, i was gonna say yeah your work is right though

round island
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Idk how…it can be rationalized though

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OH

short crescent
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multiply it by the square root on top and bottom

polar fossil
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you just multiply by √377 / √377

round island
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Wait nvm I know what you mean now

short crescent
round island
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Yeah

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Only 1 more 🙏

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timid silo
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heyyyy how shoudl i go abt practicing loops for python

vale pelican
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write loops of your own if I had to guess

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like just make up your own examples of functions/operations whose computation likely involves a loop

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viscid bronze
compact star
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little projects can be nice, i remember one of the first thing I did with loops was to verify the Collatz conjecture up to n=1000000, with that you get a while and a for loop for sure. A lot of thing could be good practice Fibonacci, matrix multiplication etc…

timid silo
viscid bronze
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hackerrank idk any of the top of my head

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you can probably google

timid silo
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thank uuuuuu

vale pelican
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what about a function that prints the first n rows of pascal's triangle?

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1
1 1
1 2 1
1 3 3 1
1 4 6 4 1
etc.

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if that's the level you're looking for

proud geyser
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if you want something that uses while or do-while loops as well, maybe you can try implementing Newton's method for finding square roots with a set precision goal as the condition, if you want to challenge yourself a little bit.

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vale pelican
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sums are loops you mean

proud geyser
warm shaleBOT
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Yukari

viscid bronze
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print("1
1 1
1 2 1
1 3 3 1
1 4 6 4 1
etc.")

proud geyser
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ah yes, the YanSim method when all else fails.

viscid bronze
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yansim 😭😭😭😭

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proud geyser
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you have a point.

restive gorge
vale pelican
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I took my first c++ course before taking calc 2

viscid bronze
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it can go both ways tbf

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quiet condor
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can i get help with this [

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viscid bronze
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for part a you can start by finding the critical points in the triangle

viscid bronze
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hyperbolic paraboloid

quiet condor
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on what the extrema thing is in this regard

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i mean last thing i did was finding critical points on curves

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but this is totally different

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so idk how what i did earlier relates to any of this

viscid bronze
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for a triangle, the extreme points are usually on the boundary OR inside the region where gradient=0 (or derivative doesn't exist)

so you should check both cases

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quiet condor
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like intuitively i mean

viscid bronze
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you can probably just think of a 2d graph, with a curve

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find the extreme points of it while the x value is bounded

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kinda same thing here

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here you're finding the highest/lowest value that f reaches over the triangle

quiet condor
viscid bronze
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take all points in the triangle

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plug it into f(x,y)

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highest/lowest value

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viscid bronze
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what do you not understand about it

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viscid bronze
# viscid bronze you can probably just think of a 2d graph, with a curve

it is similar to this where you plug every possible (x,y) in this curve into your f(x) and find the extremes

in the triangle case, your bounds are
x=0 for 0≤y≤4
y=0 for 0≤x≤5 and
y=4-(4/5)x for 0≤x≤5 (hypotenuse with line through (0,4) and (5,0))

so you take every possible point in this bounded triangle and plug it into f(x) and find the largest/smallest value f produces

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zealous haven
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$$ \int_0^{infinity} e^(-x^2) dx $$ I want to prove that with Laplace method

trim portal
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\int

warm shaleBOT
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William James Moriarty

deep kraken
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If power is using ^{}

trim portal
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and infinity is \infty iirc

zealous haven
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$$ \int_0^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx $$

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Np bro

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$$I=\int_0^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx $$
We square I
$$ I^2=\int_0^{\infty} e^{-x^2} dx \int_0^{\infty} e^{-y^2} dy$$

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$$I^2=\int_0^{\infty}\int_0^{\infty} e^{-(x^2+y^2)} dxdy $$

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zealous haven
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Here I want help to get the right substitution

shut lagoon
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What do you think you should use?

zealous haven
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Arctan I think

shut lagoon
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You need to subtitute something for x and y as functions of some other two variables.

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x^2 + y^2 is a certain value with a specific meaning

zealous haven
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I know this you want to say polar coordinates

shut lagoon
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Oh nvm laplace method

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Mb

zealous haven
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But there are another way

zealous haven
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Hh

shut lagoon
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Okok well yeah polar coordinates is the usual way there's probably some other way

zealous haven
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I think y=tx

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dy=xdt

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e^(-(x^2+y^2))=e^(-x²(1+t²))

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Okay that's will be easy

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@shut lagoon thank you

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stiff citrus
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how would i start with this prove? im not too sure where to begin...

shut lagoon
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What is Q_n?

stiff citrus
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n-dimentional hypercube

shut lagoon
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Investigate Q_4 first, and then you should be able to argue about the other ones from how they're constructed inductively.

stiff citrus
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would i do induction on the number of vertices?

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If you show that Q_4 is non planar, then it has a k_3,3 minor and from the construction of Q_n from Q_{n-1}, you should be able to argue that Q_5 does as well and so on

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im having a hard time seeing Q_4 having any edges crossing xD

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wait nevermind im looking at a 3d Q_4 not 2d

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oh nvm got it

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I'm reading something on field theory right now and the author casually remarked, that if $K$ is a field with $\text{char} K = p$, we know that $K$ has $q := p^n$ elements for some $n \in \mathbb{N}$. Thus the multiplicative group has order $q - 1 = p^n - 1$ and every element in it satisfies $a^{q-1} = 1$. I got all that, but I didn't get the next part:

``Thus the polynomial $f = X^p - X \in \mathbb{F}p[X]$ has exactly $q$ distinct roots. We obtain $f = \prod{a \in K} (X - a)$ and $K$ is the splitting field of $f$ over $\mathbb{F}_p.$.''

(To be more percise, I don't get why the polynomial has exactly $q$ \textit{distinct} roots and why the other identity for $f$ holds.)

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Let ABC be a triangle and let D be some point on the line segment AB which is neither B nor C. The circle of ABD intersects AC at an interior point E. The cricle ACD intersects AB at an interior point F. A' is the reflect of A about the line BC, such that the rays of A'C and DE meet at P and the rays of A'B and DF meet at Q. Prove that AD, BP and CQ are either concurrent or all parallel.

really lost but heres what i got: AD is the radical axis of the two circles,
since ABDE and ACDF are cyclic quadrilaterals, ∠CDE = ∠BAC = ∠BDF and reflecting it about BC, this is also = ∠BDP

dont really know how to continue

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Could you provide the diagram which you drew

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quick nova
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More geometry ded

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Probably angle chasing

deep kraken
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What is angle chasing?

restive gorge
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Math slang

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meager trench
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wait my drawing is not much better than it was before

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i dont have my compass which is why LOL

deep kraken
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I am not good enough for English

deep kraken
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A cup or sth

quick nova
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I think you can uh use Menelaus or Ceva's Theorem for this

meager trench
quick nova
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also ABDE and ABCF is a cyclic qudrilateral no?

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deep kraken
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Oge

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meager trench
deep kraken
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You can use Ceva here using Sine tho

quick nova
# quick nova I was thinking of like the sine version of it

In any triangle $\triangle ABC$, three lines $AD$, $BP$ and $CQ$, are concurrent if and only if $$\frac{\sin(\angle BAD)}{\sin(\angle CAD)} \cdot \frac{\sin(\angle ACQ)}{\sin(\angle BCQ)} \cdot \frac{\sin(\angle CBP)}{\sin(\angle ABP)} = 1$$

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deep kraken
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Also note that ABDE is cyclic

meager trench
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yes ABDE and ACDF are cyclic quadrilaterals, ∠CDE = ∠BAC = ∠BDF and reflecting it about BC, this is also = ∠BDP

meager trench
deep kraken
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Can you do reflection A' here

meager trench
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wdym

quick nova
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like the reflection of A across BC

deep kraken
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BCA = BCA' for instance

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Or CBA=CBA'

meager trench
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mhm

deep kraken
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And can you use Sine Theorem here

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CDP and BDP?

meager trench
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oh wait

meager trench
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i think i know how to do this now this is desargues

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sorry!

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No need to sorry btw, good luck!

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$(a + b)^2 = a^2 + 2ab + b^2$

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1 divided by 0 equals Infinity

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Like this one yeah?

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What about it

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full pelican
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I can't learn it

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You gotta understand why those work

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$(a + b)^2 = (a + b)(a + b)$

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1 divided by 0 equals Infinity

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Now try to expand this

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So it might help to use it with numbers instead of letters first. Like uh (5+2)(5+2) = 7 × 7 = 49. But also theres 5(5+2) + 2(5+2) = 5×5 + 5×2 + 2×5 + 2×2 = 5² + 2(2×5) + 2²

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humor me and try 1.693

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pallid willow
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in fact, state what you do not get from the start next time, please. so that helpers can directly read your questions from the get go.

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okay

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I know a bit about MVT

deep kraken
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State MVT

steel night
deep kraken
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Is this original question, no crop?

last pilot
steel night
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yes no crop

deep kraken
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I can read this

last pilot
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ur on dark mode?

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wild

viscid bronze
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i swear I've seen this q like weeks ago 😭

deep kraken
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Let's construct a function

deep kraken
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Since x here changes and the exponent doesn't change

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What could be the function structure?

steel night
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x^2/3

deep kraken
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Now can you apply MVT?

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What could the domain be? And what is the derivative of f?

steel night
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wheres f?

deep kraken
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the function you just found

deep kraken
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First, lets find the derivative of f

steel night
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2/3x^-1/3

deep kraken
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great, now restate the MVT

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what is the domain for x here?

steel night
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x^-1/3 can be written as 1/x^3

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right?

deep kraken
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no

steel night
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I MEAN

1/x^1/3

deep kraken
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ye

steel night
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im not sure

hidden compass
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Of what?

deep kraken
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finding the domain

steel night
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the domain of x of

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which function

hidden compass
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...

hidden compass
hidden compass
deep kraken
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;-;

steel night
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so the domain of the original function, not the derivative

deep kraken
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yes

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why would the domain of f' be used

hidden compass
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Wait, are you writing these things down on a piece of paper or tablet? Or are you just writing messages here without taking notes? @steel night

deep kraken
hidden compass
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Indeed

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It must be some characteristic of h 😬

steel night
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yeah Im not sure what the domain is

deep kraken
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👀

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And by MVT there is a point?

steel night
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in the middle?

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of the two points

deep kraken
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Not in the middle

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But in the range of these 2

steel night
hidden compass
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This is MVT. Do you agree? @steel night

steel night
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i dont understand the first line of the OP

hidden compass
steel night
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yes

hidden compass
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Can you tell what their values are for the exercise you're working on?

steel night
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were not given and a and b value

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can u tell me what the question is saying

deep kraken
steel night
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original post

deep kraken
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Ye

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You want to find a value f'(c) between a and b

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To find the errors

steel night
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first derivative value between a and b?

deep kraken
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Ye

steel night
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<@&286206848099549185>

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what does the MVT state?

meager trench
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f(b) - f(a) = f'(c)(b-a) is a direct consequence of the above if you multiply both sides by b-a, is that what you mean?

meager trench
steel night
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what about in in words?

meager trench
# steel night a,b such that (f'(c) = f(b) - f(a))/(b-a)

you have an interval a to b yes

there exists a number between a and b such that it fulfils the condition (f(b) - f(a))/(b-a)

essentially, (f(b) - f(a))/(b-a) is the slope of the straight line connecting the points (a, f(a)) and (b, f(b)) (just like y2 - y1 all over x2 - x1)

we call this straight line the secant line

there is a point on the graph between a and b such that the derivative (the tangent line to that point) has the same gradient as that secant line

deep kraken
meager trench
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Lagrange's MVT merely states that there exists this point c such that these two lines are parallel

steel night
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how do we know the interval, if we are not given the interval

dire moss
dire moss
meager trench
deep kraken
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Ngl i started studying MVT just 1 week ago😂

dire moss
meager trench
deep kraken
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Still havent able to fully understand sequences 😂

dire moss
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Instead of x’s they are indexes, positive integers based on ‘n’

steel night
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so let me say what MVT is

deep kraken
steel night
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MVT states that there is a point c, in a closed interval [a,b], where when differentaiated, it is parallel to the chord AB

meager trench
steel night
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anything else I should add to it

meager trench
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specify its continuity

deep kraken
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Dont kill me 😂

meager trench
dire moss
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lol

meager trench
dire moss
steel night
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MVT states that there is a point c, in a closed interval [a,b], where when differentaiated, it is parallel to the chord AB at c

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so there is only one point

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c

dire moss
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But it guarantees at least one

steel night
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how can there be more

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it wont be parallel to the chord

meager trench
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lol this is shoddily drawn but it gets the idea across

steel night
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nice point

deep kraken
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My L'Hôpital is not touched in my course 😂

dire moss
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I love my boy L’Hopital

deep kraken
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Anyways you guy help OP i will ask later

dire moss
meager trench
deep kraken
dire moss
steel night
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so the formula of MVT gives the point c?

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all possible c?

meager trench
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it doesnt tell u the specific value of c, it just tells you c exists

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which is why Fermat, Rolle, Lagrange's MVT and Cauchy's MVT are all theorems that are called Existence theorems, they merely describe the "existence" of something

dire moss
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meager trench
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it merely states you could do that

steel night
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yeah but it was possible to find c because of the formula of MVT

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its just only rearranging

meager trench
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sure..? like once again it only tells u that there is some c not the specific value of c

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its not a formula for that reason

dire moss
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If I were to tell you it is indeed possible to calculate 2 + 2

meager trench
dire moss
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Of course you could

meager trench
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MVT tells you you can do this, MVT does not tell you how you can do this

dire moss
steel night
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I see

dire moss
# steel night I see

Think about it. Did I ever tell you what 2 + 2 is? Or did I just merely state that it could be calculated?

steel night
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before I proceed

meager trench
meager trench
steel night
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the range

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in our example

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interval range

hidden compass
meager trench
dire moss
# steel night I don’t get it

Would you agree that just because I told you that something is possible, doesn’t mean I necessarily told you the outcome of doing that thing?

hidden compass
steel night
steel night
hidden compass
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There you go!

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So now apply the theorem with those values for a and b

steel night
meager trench
steel night
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when u said continuous, did u mean values of a, b?

meager trench
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of course

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from a to b

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no not a and b

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from a to b

deep kraken
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Closed interval

steel night
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where do u want me to put a to b

meager trench
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uh

deep kraken
steel night
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are we given f(b) and f(a)

dire moss
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f(8) & f(8.019)

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Where

f(x) = x ²/³

steel night
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ah

steel night
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just state that

deep kraken
obtuse pebbleBOT
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@steel night Has your question been resolved?

steel night
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because the order matters since its subtraction

deep kraken
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check using calculator

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which one higher value

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and try draw out the graph

steel night
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I dont think we are required to do graph in exams, i mean we can if it helps

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just from my professor

deep kraken
steel night
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$f(8^{\frac{2}{3}})$

warm shaleBOT
steel night
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is that valid?

deep kraken
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no'

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wait

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no

steel night
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f(8)

deep kraken
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correct

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now b-a?

steel night
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do i just put the value in the numerator

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woudnt it be inacurate

steel night
deep kraken
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so f'(c)?

steel night
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in numerator

deep kraken
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ye

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chuck in the formula for MVT

steel night
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ok done

steel night
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@deep kraken

deep kraken
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Correct

steel night
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so is there something i need to do next

deep kraken
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What else

steel night
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just conclude that c does not lie in a, b

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the question wants the range of error right

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like the bound

deep kraken
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Correct

steel night
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what am i supposed to do next

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<@&286206848099549185>

sly elm
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no sorry i dont know this 🥀

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oh rip

sly elm
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gl , try pinging min back

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I think hes busy but all good

weak needle
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you calculated the exact error

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you were supposed to calculate the upper bound on error

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f(b)-f(a) / b-a = f'(c)
where a<c<b

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Do you understand that f(b)-f(a) is the error whose upper bound we want to calculate?

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@steel night

steel night
weak needle
steel night
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ohhh

weak needle
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that's the absolute error

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f(b)-f(a) is the error

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we want to guess max to max how big this error can be

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using MVT

steel night
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so we just add the error to the function

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not subtract

weak needle
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no why would we add or subtract the error to function

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we would apply MVT on f(x)=x^2/3 with a=8, b=8.019

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because it says to calculate upper bound using MVT

steel night
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I think i did that

steel night
weak needle
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you calculated the exact error

steel night
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ohh

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ok

weak needle
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you understand this?

twilit salmon
# steel night my working out is here

Don't think that you were ever mean to evaluate exponents best to keep 2/3, and manipulate to find the upper bounds, we are not interested in point c, whose gradient is the slope from the endpoints rather we find how well does 8^{2/3} approximates 8.019^{2/3}

weak needle
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similarly in the equation you get with MVT, you need to make f(b)-f(a), which is the error, the subject and calculate max[f(b)-f(a)] which is same as saying max[error] to calculate upper bound on error

steel night
weak needle
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upper bound on error = max[error]

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since error = f(8.019)-f(8)
we need to calculate
max[f(8.019)-f(8)]

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using MVT

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you get it?

steel night
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yes

weak needle
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In the equation you get with MVT, you need to make f(b)-f(a) the subject and calculate max[f(b)-f(a)].

This is your entire task. Try to work on this.

twilit salmon
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@steel night is the question on how well does 8^{2/3} approximates 8.019^{2/3}?

twilit salmon
steel night
twilit salmon
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You are really close to finishing it, no need to find max

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Start from the equation f(b) - f(a) = f'(c) (b-a)

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You know that c in (8, 8.019) i.e., 8 < c < 8.019

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This is already a big hint

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Try taking root 2/3 and manipulating to find the reciprocal! You will get the bound for it

weak needle
twilit salmon
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This is to illstrutate how people before that do not have access to calculator are able to approximate them

weak needle
twilit salmon
twilit salmon
steel night
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Yeah u forgot

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Fraction

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I mean

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Whyd u multiply it by f prime

twilit salmon
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f' means derivative

steel night
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Ik

twilit salmon
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Oh I read wrong, how does your course define "error"?

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Did they provide a definition for you?

steel night
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Don’t worry about it

twilit salmon
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Anyways, error is most commonly defined to be absolute difference, i.e., |f(b) - f(a)|, in your case, 8.019^{2/3} > 8^{2/3} therefore we do not need to use absolute value here, so f(b) - f(a), I arrange it this way instead of saying frac{ f(b) - f(a) }{ b-a } is so that the LHS is talking about the error, and not the slope.

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When applying the change of variables theorem for integrals, how can I apply it someting like $\int_a^b f(u(x)) dx$? and get some sort of intgeral in terms of $w = u(x)$?

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For example, to take a simple example, $\int_a^b f(c - 2x) dx = \int_{c - 2a}^{c - 2b} -1 \cdot f(u) du$

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where $u(x) = c - 2x$

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However when I do $\int_a^b f(c - x^2) dx = \int_{c - a^2}^{c - b^2} \frac{-1}{2x} \cdot f(u) du$

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I'm not entirely sure if this is correct

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the normal change of variables always has $\int_a^b f(u(x)) u'(x) dx = \int_{u(a)}^{u(b)} f(u) du$

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and I'm not relaly sure what the justification/proof behidn this is (assuming nomral hcange of variables theorem)

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Would this proof look okay?

Assuming that $\forall x \in [a, b] u'(x) \neq 0$, then:
$\int_a^b f(u(x)) \frac{u'(x)}{u'(x)} dx = \int_{u(a)}^{u(b)} f(u) \cdot \frac{1}{u'(x)} du$

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shut lagoon
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Yes that's the idea.

icy wren
# warm shale **LXDL**

okay yes, becasue for this step I was pretty unsure if that is the machinery they are using

shut lagoon
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In a way if you make the substitution $w = u(x)$, you get $\dd{w} = u'(x) \dd{x}$ and in this case it works like a fraction if you will. You get $\dd{x} = \frac{\dd{w}}{u'(x)}$, which you can plug in your integral

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Azyrashacorki

icy wren
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hm, is there a reason we can jsut "plug in"?

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i guess i was tryign to go for a more formal reasoning

shut lagoon
icy wren
# warm shale **LXDL**

for this example, this seems to be more like $\int_a^b f(c-2x) dx = -\int_a^b - f(c-2x)dx = - \int_{c-2a}^{c-2b} f(u) du$, is htis understanding correct? Since i dont think they need this heavy machinery, i.e. a special case where we are basiclaly multiplying a non zero constant and its recirpocal

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shut lagoon
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Yes indeed.

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Sometimes you may be able to get something strictly in terms of u in the end.

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But this depends on whether you can solve for u in terms of x.

icy wren
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shut lagoon
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Yep that's it

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find the domain of this function

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lost lake
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here's what i did:
i cut out the function from the sqrt and compared it to 0
x^3+x^2 = 0
x^2(x+1) = 0
x = -1

but how do I know which one is correct?

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x^3 should never be negative and more than x^2

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Can somebody help me to solve this using pumping lemma? I couldn’t figure out which string should I apply the lemma to.

polar fossil
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maybe something like a^n b a^n a?

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it's not immediately obvious

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livid dagger
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but a^n b a^(n! + n) b

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and contradiction at i = 1 + (n! / y)

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livid dagger
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|y| <= n

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But how did you find that

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i thinking bout that

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digital charm
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Hey what factoring method did I just use? And is there a simpler way of going about it.

short crescent
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that's not a factoring method, you just solved for x

digital charm
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Okay

quick nova
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you can get that form by completing the square of a quadratic btw

short crescent
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yes, if there was something else before this then that would be the case

digital charm
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Yeah but there’s many ways to solve

short crescent
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but if this was given then you can just directly solve for x

digital charm
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And my teacher wants me to use a variety

uneven schooner
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or, using the quadratic formula

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or factorizing it

digital charm
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Is there a name for the method I just used

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🙏

uneven schooner
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its just solving for x.

azure heath
short crescent
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not really

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algebra ig

digital charm
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all

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Kk

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Nyxzore

digital charm
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.reopen

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azure heath
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are you looking for help factoring it?

digital charm
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How

uneven schooner
fossil crag
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x-2 is not sqrt(4/3), it's already +/- sqrt(4/3)

warm shaleBOT
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Annie Maqionde

uneven schooner
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its the absolute value

digital charm
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Ahh

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So the 2 is an absolute value

serene elk
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$|x-2|$ is abosulte since $\sqrt{u^2}=|u|$

warm shaleBOT
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Nyxzore

deep kraken
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Abosultecatgiggle

digital charm
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So the switch makes it absolute

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Right

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the fact that u took the square root of a square

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the +/- should have been written at this bottom step here

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when you take the square root you automatically put the +/- there

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idk why this thread ragebaited me so hard

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$\sqrt{4} = 2$, however if we say $x^2 = 4$ then $x = \pm 2$

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idk something about it just ragebaited me can’t put my finger on it though

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how do yall do algebraic expressions and factoring polynomials??

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so that there is a reference point

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that question is either cutting off an answer choice or really poorly put together.

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i did crop this image

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i cn show the gull page

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like this?

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theres no answer sheet

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its either a b c d

dense gazelle
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a couple of these are very oddly worded, which ones have you done so far?

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none i js started

dense gazelle
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im still struggle with the first one💔

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kk

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i also need help for measurement too can u also help me with that?

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if u dont its fine , but if u do thx

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lets move on to two

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ping helpers?

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Need some help gang, i am trying to find an equation which was algebraic and its graph made a wave like structure … i remember seeing one it had no irrationals or anything complex just a simple function of x and numbers

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something like this?

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f(x) = sin(x)

deft heart
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Nah a single wave

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could you draw it out?

deft heart
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A single upward bump

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deft heart
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One sec

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$\frac{1}{1+x^2}$?

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Azyrashacorki

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That has a bump

short crescent
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would be something along the lines of that

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Yeah that’s right thanks

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this is $y=\frac{1}{1+(x-2)^2}$

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Johannes Kepler

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you can do $\frac{1}{1+(x-h)^2}$

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and h will move it left or right

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Yeah got it

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if you don't have any other questions

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Thanks krish and everyone

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you're welcome

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They did say thanks everyone

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lmao

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When they say on a bearing of 310* is this what they mean visually?

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Ik how to solve the question, im just trying to understand it

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face north
turn 310 degrees clockwise
you are at a bearing of 310 degrees

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it was useful when sailing long distances, using the mercator projection
"straight line takes me to where I want to go"

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uhh i need help with another question, disregard the original please.

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Why is the resultant force drawn in the middle between the vertical and horizontal components?

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Here is how i solved the 1st question

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and the two angles on either side add upto 90?

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Cool, that makes sense. Thank you for your help.

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Hi back again with another question, disregard the original

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How does Tx go from the top to the bottom? and something weird I've noticed is cos(60)*25 also gets the correct answer for the horizontal can someone explain why that is to me please?

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bright sedge
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its still in top

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the force is acting horizontally

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but to have better undrstanding and finding the Tx we horziontally move the vector below

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to form a triangle

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so that we can use trigo and find the required side = force

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Ok but why does cos(6)*25 also get the right answer?

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Also the second part of your question is simple
cuz cos(90 - theta) = sintheta

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try to learn trigonometry i would say , it will help u better understand all these concept

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i just checked in the calculator and you're right

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yeah learn trigonometry it will be helpful,
cuz in these question u would need the help of it

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well thats all the questions I have, thank you for your help @bright sedge

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bright sedge
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just go through basic trigonometric equations and formulae

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didn't cover unit circle inverse trig functions yet

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Why are we allowed to move the vectors around like this? Is it like algebra where we can manipulate equations as long as the RHS and LHS are equal?

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i think its mean N is opposite to that component , also F

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so N its opposite to the vertical mg component , and F to the orizzontal mg component

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hm

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Well, in this context, the vectors are all forces

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wait no that's a bad example

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hm

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Take your time explaining lol

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You can imagine a vector like an arrow

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if you use displacement as an example, if you are dispaced 2m north from like (0, 0) vs 2m north from (30, 0), it's still a displacement of 2 north

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So if you are going 2m north and then 3m east

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mathmatically they are a little more complicated

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but yeah you can say that

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hm

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like if I have a displacement 2m north

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I imagine trying to teach someone else a topic is much more diffucult than trying to learn it yourself.

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Which is why I have big respect for all the helpers here, they're incredily helpful lol.

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whether it's 2m north from the equator, or 2m north from my house, or 2m north from buckingham palace, it's still 2m north

indigo niche
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do you know newton third law?

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no matter where the arrow is, it's the same arrow

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also known as the reaction force i think when drawing free body force diagrams

indigo niche
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so N its opposite to vertical mg?

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yeah

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vectors being arrows aren't tied to a specific point in space. you can always move around

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I mean the vertical component with respect to the reference system

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im gonna take a break from studying for now, i'll look back at this after dinner. Thanks for your help guys!

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np!

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N=-mg_y

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F=-mg_x

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for newton third law

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A small republic, consisting of six states, has 250 seats in the Congress. Find the apportionment of the republic using Jefferson's method.

How many seats are approportioned for State A B C D E F

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I sent it and it says I have 2 wrongs among the 6 states idk which

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ok

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heplp

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show your work

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and the question

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the first image seems to be for a different question (only has 4 states)
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ohhhh osrry wrong pic

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wait

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@high lily its thisone

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you seem to be doing normal rounding rules instead of
what they wanted: Jefferson's method

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oh, may I know how should I actually solve it hehe

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did you get notes on jefferson's method?

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I havent

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you could look it up online but,

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you should round your results down,
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so in that case, you can reduce the divisor, 50k by a bit
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ah so the overall should add up to 250

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i’ve confused myself on something to do with sketching gradient function 😭

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ii

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when i differentiate the function i get something different to mark scheme i don’t even know how i can mess that up

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1/2x 😭

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