serious-discussion

[mellow pond]

splendid

[next schooner]

now at this point i should probably actually define what da aztec empire actually is, because “the aztecs” can mean a few slightly different things. people often use it loosely to mean the whole nahua/central mexican civilisation-y world. The actual Aztec Empire itself typically refers specifically to the triple alliance between the kinda city-states of tenochtitlan, texcoco, and tlacopan.

this alliance started in uhhhhhhh the 1410s i think

over time power kinda centralises into the fascinating city of tenochtitlan wow you can read for hours about the history of this city it is truly astonishing. anyway. it expanded out into this kinda tributary empire

they are one of the most well known not just because of the human sacrifice stuff (this was done all across mesoamerica for religious and cultural reasons) but because they were a scrappy bunch who uh did a lot of war against their neighbours and gobbled up all the nearby territories

and then obviously they were the ones who actualy got conquested

though the conquest itself is very interesting because it is not what I think most people imagine

indeed its probably a lot worse than what people imagine in many ways

[cloud rover]

That is weird to think that this started around halfway through the Hundred Years' War in England/France

[next schooner]

but yes if you are interested in the history of the mesoamerican peoples we thankfully have a lot more knowledge than we really "ought" to

[cloud rover]

Like seeing temporal crossovers like this is what makes learning history fun

[next schooner]

like don't get me wrong the overwhelming majority of pre-colonial mesoamerican culture and history was just deleted

[verbal quest]

but those are your ancestors too
probably more so

[next schooner]

this is just a tweet meme. why is that in this channel

[verbal quest]

rat, you're extra lethal in this channel🔪

[next schooner]

naturally

this channel is for high-quality discussion

if you wanna post memes you have #chill and if you just wanna jabber you have #discussion

[halcyon aurora]

I wish I was an Aztec archaeologist and new about all the ways their culture was important even to the modern day. But alas, I'm just a dude in a different country's majority

[verbal quest]

most archaeologists are gringos, it's not too late

[dreamy crag]

im pretty sure there are some good books about aztec culture written by actual archaeologist

i can try find some if you want

[verbal quest]

on Yum's interest
I have doubts

[halcyon aurora]

It's not exactly that, I do wish I knew more about random things like this, but it's not always ideal to assume knowledge of such things, depending on context.

[halcyon aurora]

I should refrain from responding after this message... Apologies for the sarcasm, I was just kinda bothered and thought something should be said about my point here.

[deep mango]

This was fun and also important ty

[next schooner]

Yes absolutely right and thank you for the input

As I said I am by no means an expert in either mesoamerican history specifically or history generally

I have done my share of reading but unfortunately do not have good references to hand (I am for some reason terrible at remembering books - not their content, but, like, remembering in which book I read a specific thing)

As a broad rule of thumb this channel can be a good place to discuss and explore the broad strokes of things but as with anything really if you wish to really understand the history and all the nuances of how we not only "gather" history but how we understand the historical record, then expert literature will always be the best place to go

One will find that (perhaps unsurprisingly, depending on your background) many historical debates and controversies ultimately boil down to something like "ok but why did this person write this thing down at this specific time"

Perhaps the most obvious example of this is Caesar's Commentari de Bello Gallico

[verbal quest]

he didn't invent the term Aztec, but he's responsible for its wider modern usage

[next schooner]

Like, the kinda standard textbook line here is broadly "Caesar wrote propaganda about himself and about Rome" but there are many questions as to when and why specifically it was actually written

These are important questions if one wishes to have a full understanding of Caesar as a human being and the broader - well, a lil tumultuous - political circumstances at the time

But alas, I am no expert in Caesar nor history. Nor anything, really.

The only things on which I would ever confidently call myself an "expert" (outside of a job interview) are the specific narrow contents of the few publications I have authored and published

[mellow pond]

bit of a strange assumption to make but i see your point

everyone on my mom's side is as brown as the day is long

[mellow pond]

if it's not intrusive to ask, who/what even was it

[next schooner]

I don't remember anything beyond it being a meme tweet from some twitter leftie who seemed to love using marxist language but probably would say "what's that" if you asked them about Das Kapital

[mellow pond]

idk what the ancestral equivalent of a poser or a "no sabo" is but i have this like perpetual sense of feeling like that for not knowing more about the actual nuance of the culture of my ancestors beyond the arguably only semi-accurate if not inaccurate terms and labels and stories that one may be presented with if they do a baseline look at this stuff

[mellow pond]

got it

so nothing rlly of value or relevance here lol

[next schooner]

Indeed

[verbal quest]

it's not an assumption about you in particular, but a reality of the Mexican population

[verbal quest]

I wasn't referring to your proximal mixed heritage

[mellow pond]

okay fair

[zealous garden]

They had this nice cacao drink I think

[mellow pond]

indeed they did

[rapid valve]

I didn't know they invented it

I mean noone has really tasted spicy cacao anyway so kot like i really know it

[halcyon aurora]

Ok (semi-unrelated) - what the hell is Das Kapital? I've never heard that term in my life. "The Capital" in German?

And what was the meme????

Why was that thrown around like any of the rhetoric was actually normal for a non extreme person to share?

[zealous garden]

I don't know but a while ago I used to spam the phrase "das auto"

[grizzled crypt]

Das Kapital is a book. What rhetoric are you referring to?

[halcyon aurora]

Have you read the chat?

[grizzled crypt]

Yes I have read some of it

[verbal quest]

Yumdub had to be trolling

[halcyon aurora]

No I don't understand what I'm reading and I'm asking for answer why anyone here would find this ok

[verbal quest]

[halcyon aurora]

If I were trolling I'd bring up that kind of trash

[halcyon aurora]

What happened instead is it was brought up as an explanation around a perfectly reasonable question, why are we assuming knowledge we don't hav

I don't even know any of you

Y'all don't know me, is it unreasonable to ask for civility?

[verbal quest]

I don't even get what you're on about rn

rat gave the context for mentioning Das Kapital in the sentence

[halcyon aurora]

Yeah, by basically trashing some person's political views (with an EVEN MORE POLITICAL stance), and everyone thought that was normal

And then silencing anyone who said something else

[verbal quest]

I didn't see the erased meme, but what rat was mocking is someone using Marxist language and not knowing Marx's book

[halcyon aurora]

I do see that Rat created a story that does not exist

Do you see where marxist language was described?

[verbal quest]

I just said I didn't see the erased meme

I don't understand why any of this is an issue for you

[halcyon aurora]

I'm kind of tired of people here ignoring obvious complaints

Anyways, at this pace I am basically starting to troll, so nvm

[verbal quest]

but what are you even complaining about right now
for real

[next schooner]

...what on earth are you talking about

[magic python]

Can I see if talking about trans rights will catch another one 🥺

[zealous garden]

Trans rights? Nah, let's talk about Trans fats

The worst kind of fats

[magic python]

Woah woah woah, don't call them fat, they have names

[next schooner]

I saw a meme. That meme involved the use of Marxist language in a manner that was incoherent within Marxism. I deleted the meme, because this is not the correct channel for memes. I then explained that the meme was deleted for this reason, and that the meme was an instance of an individual using the language of Marxism without actually understanding the language of Marxism. I exaggerated this somewhat for comedic effect by suggesting that such an individual would not know what 'Das Kapital' was. This is because one cannot talk about Marxism or understand Marxism without having at least, like, having heard of the fuckin book that explains Marxism, written by Mr Marx himself. What about this is in any way political, except for the fact that the term "Marxism" refers to a political ideology? If I replaced "Evolutionary Biology" with "On the Origin of Species", would this be an EVEN MORE BIOLOGICAL stance?

dominus meus...

[magic python]

Sounding like johnDeez rn....

[verbal quest]

I'm starting to think that is why the right is against public transportation

[magic python]

Well yeah, why should only trans people get to use portals in public

[burnt ledge]

Is that because trans fats are the worst kind, or because drake is a piece of shit, or because wraithlord sounds like nhail, or because rat deleted a marx meme

[verbal quest]

yes

[glossy marlin]

-# public transportation contains the string "trans"

[ionic star]

orta

the opposite of aorta

[verbal quest]

Harpz knows

[cobalt hollow]

what

[magic python]

We need more lists of rights icl I would love needing to pull out three whole messages for rights that have been taken

[verbal quest]

1. right turns
2. Right Said Fred
   3 the Wright Brothers

yw

[magic python]

That's two that were taken... so sad.....

[verbal quest]

I forgot
4) Rite-aid

[magic python]

That's another lost...

[next schooner]

so what i said in discussy was slightly wrong i got the wrong end of the epoch. So, the order of rodents (Rodentia) emerged in the late Paleocene (66 to 56 mya) - this is specifically when the first very distinctive dentition that characterises rodents first emerged in the fossil record. This is one of the main morphological features which distinguishes rodents from Lagomorphs (rabbits, hares, etc.) - lagomorphs have four incisors on the top and two more on the bottom, and all of their teeth grow continuously. Rodents also have continuously growing teeth, but they have only two top incisors and (generally) it is only these top incisors grow continuously. Anyhow, as for dinosaurs. The Paleocene began when the dinosaurs went extinct, so unfortunately no true rodents ever met any dinosaurs. However, there was a now-extinct group of mammals known as multituberculates which occupied approximately the same ecological niches as many modern rodents and despite not being ancestrally related at all to modern lagomorphs or rodentia (I think they're actually quite far away from this branch of mammals) they had a lot of morphological features which very much resemble Rodentia. Indeed, some species in the fossil record would not look at all out of place if you saw one scurrying on the street. Many of them were small, scurrying lil furry guys with large front incisors, cheek teeth for chewing (as many modern rodents have), and burrowing/nesting behaviours including stuff like communal/social nesting. Maybe most interesting is the fact that a lot of these species you'd look at and be like "yep that looks like a prehistoric rat" (their skulls were a bit more 'blocky' in general, like capybaras today), yet all the shared morphological features are actually thought to be convergent. That is, the general body plan, lifestyle, and ecological niche of rats evolved at least twice that we know of. It probably shouldn't be that surprising given that rodents are the most "successful" order of mammals and it ain't even close (in terms of diversity measured in number of species). Rodents account for approximately half of all mammal species. So they do be successful. Anyway, one of the best instances of rat like mammal fellas we know of date back to are in the "egg mountain" formation. This is neat, because in this formation in the same stratigraphic layer (so same time period, same place) we know that there were a few dinosaur species, notably some of the late Troodontidae. These were tiny lil dinosaurs that were kinda generally like velociraptors but with WAY more feathers and much more bird-like and again appear to be an extinct branch of life where convergent evolution occured, but this time instead of "becoming a rat-like critter" it was - potentially - flight. (Though if not actual flight, then most definitely stuff like gliding). Other than that, our kinda-rat-lookin-fellas also show up towards the very end of the cretaceous in the hells creek formation, which if you know any dinosaur formation it's probably this one because it's where loads of the most famous dinosaurs (T rex, triceratops, pachycephalosaurus, ankylosaurus, edmontosaurus) are also found. So there were indeed likely T rexes romping around with lil rat lookin things scurrying around their feet. Thanks for coming to my RAT talk

@fervent owl heres ur full answer

🙂

[tawdry ermine]

holy moly

[zealous garden]

that was fucking fire

[echo mason]

Your actions anger Israel

[magic python]

Which of my fabulous actions have

[verbal quest]

their chat history is like a countdown to being banned

[magic python]

Really had to say one thing twice

[snow ice]

I'm on page 300 of Anne Frank! Za final stretch

[zealous garden]

your actions anger God

[mellow pond]

peak

[echo mason]

Your actions anger Tel Aviv

[pearl shard]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1455038316142657791/1471158081940361296/attachment.gif

[verbal quest]

I just bet on polymarket if rat will jban him

[snow ice]

how much bro

[mellow pond]

can't deny how tempting it is to ping mods or directly ping her

[true zinc]

ban who?

[mellow pond]

presumably one of if not both of the 2 ppl immediately above craig's most recent message here as of sending this

[true zinc]

ah

[mellow pond]

also open question for anyone who knows enough about the subject to answer

how did things like systemic misogyny and the modern/western ideas of gender roles actually get how bad as they have? like was there any main event that domino effected into the rest, or was it just a chain of people coming into power and being hateful and wanting to put people into boxes

i've heard theories like "capitalism relies on these systems and hierarchies" which seems reasonable but also unfulfilling

and again
pls only answer if you know enough about the matter to answer, i don't want some vague maybes about things, i want at least educated guesses/presumptions or some sort of "realistically we don't know but we know that it's most likely due to this that and the other"

[manic ledge]

i hate myself but there is no other time in my life my hatred has peaked until now.

i genuinely feel like im unlucky to be born being me

[fervent owl]

what the fu-

rat talk, neat.

[unborn meteor]

oooh this is cool

[fervent owl]

hi speed

[next schooner]

i like rats

kinda my thing

[fervent owl]

I like rats too...mreow

[next schooner]

Did.. did you just meow at me

[next schooner]

crux sacra sit mihi lux.....

[outer minnow]

qui sibi nomen imposuit bam decimum quartum

[mellow pond]

shamelessly replying to myself to avoid getting flooded out

[zealous garden]

I recently felt like this for the first time in my life. If this is an uncommon feeling for you, I recommend trying to reconnect with who you are

[magic python]

What is the whole point of the "What bathroom for trans people" thing if we stick to male and female as a baseline, like you literally can't get a middle ground if you seperate it like this, is there a reason I never hear people shift this base?

It feels weird to me the arguments all are continuing to use the obvious flaw of the system and improve it rather than scrap it

It feels like arguing which groups of innocent people should get murdered

It doesn't matter which groups, innocent people are still being murdered.

Okay that's probably a bad example, but it gets the point across of starting with a flaw doesn't let you be perfect

[manic ledge]

what

why would reconnecting with myself help if i literally loathe myself?

[zealous garden]

I said if that feeling is uncommon for you

In which case reconnecting with yourself can help you restore some semblance of your typical state, which is not self-loathing

Or your historical state

I've often hated myself, but I've only ever once regretted who I was, or wished I was born different

[manic ledge]

i feel like this implies that it isnt uncommon.

[zealous garden]

I'm usually prideful in who I am, for no other reason than that I am

[zealous garden]

Well look again at my perspective, I often hate myself but have only once felt unlucky to be born myself

Hating who you are is different from hating everything you were or could become, all of your history and potential for the future. Cus that's what it means if you hate being born yourself imo

For me, solving the latter feeling was done in the vague way I stated. There's reasons I'd always wanted to be me and no one else, even if I didn't like who I was at the time, or regretted my past actions. So I had to take time to dig those up

I can totally get if you don't relate

[maiden panther]

Self-loathing is not good, period. Often times, you genuinely have little reason to hate yourself, but your inner bully amplifies it to a great extent that it becomes unbearable. This is flawed perception, not who you actually are.
Try to know more about yourself; maybe, appreciate the good within you. Do not lie.

[magic python]

Whilst this is in most cases true, self hatred is often not actually warranted, there are many things that can make it insanely hard to see this, for some people it's kinda just a truth of life that it will happen to them.

Now, don't get me wrong, in most of these cases there are ways to help, but it just often won't go away

Kind of like what I hear anxiety is like, it can be treated but not cured

(At least reliably, I am sure some people probably had their anxiety stop one way or another)

[zealous garden]

I hate myself the most when I lie to myself, so it helps to try to keep it close to the source

But you know, some shit is just demons talking

[native frost]

tung tung tung sa-hey guys what u talking about

[hidden bough]

A significant part of this (related to the capitalism answer) is industrialization, since 1) it makes labor more individual, as opposed to agriculture which requires participation by the entire family and 2) it creates an automatic inequality in labor opportunities, since women are the ones that have kids, which makes them temporary employees and thus less attractive

At least this is how it played out in American history

[native frost]

no reply 💔

[hidden bough]

They haven't been in chat for several hours so that isn't particularly surprising

[native frost]

oh are they dead

my condolences 💔

[ashen marsh]

the male and female distinction is like the foundation of patriarchy

if they dont exist then who has claim to dominate someone else, who gets to be the manager

[magic python]

Who says that doesn't also suck

[ashen marsh]

yeah it sucks ass

there are bullies who really dont want it to be different, and those bullies have convinced other people that there isnt any other option

theyve invented things like "biological sex" through the same instruments that let people justify sterilization through skull size measurements

[magic python]

At least gender neutral bathrooms exist (except for how people automatically assume you aren't "normal" if you use one)

[magic python]

Oh yeah that baby is a bit big there, that's a man for sure

[ashen marsh]

i was named gray cause it wasnt clear "if i was a boy or girl" in the ultrasound

same thing goes for "disabled people" i think

[hidden bough]

I don't really think I agree lol biological sex is for at least 99% of the population a pretty useful thing to consider

[magic python]

Oversimplified, I know

[hidden bough]

Not in isolation, obviously, but useful nonetheless

[ashen marsh]

everyone is disabled, but some people have the power to tell others that they are capable of less for some reason

[ashen marsh]

i agree. its useful to talk about the general shape of the human body- i take issue with the idea of a prototypical body. yk? "the body without any complications"

i take issue with it being presented as a biological fact

everyone is complicated somehow. calling someone male is probably a useful thing- but it has certain social ramifications in the same way that calling someone colorblind implies they literally see less of the world

pistol shrimp see a shit ton of colors but i dont really envy them

[hidden bough]

I'm not sure that I entirely follow? It seems to me like the things roughly captured by "male" and "female" are close to prototypical

[hidden bough]

Speak for yourself man I envy them for this greatly

[ashen marsh]

haha fair lol

[ashen marsh]

if i go through TSA's body scanner in america i get flagged as a threat to national security

they literally have a boy button and a girl button

[lilac crater]

Uhhh do I exist here

[hidden bough]

Thinking about how shrimp and bees and whatever can see shit off the visible spectrum makes me feel like mary in her colorless box

[lilac crater]

[ashen marsh]

i mean- thats sortof true

[hidden bough]

It is yeha

[ashen marsh]

but i think we are most creative when we take away our senses. like, we understand 4D spacetime because we can imagine ourselves as flatlanders

[hidden bough]

Right I mean obviously there are imperfections in how we treat being intersex

[ashen marsh]

its the ways we compare ourselves to others i think that makes us creative

[lilac crater]

Are y’all just going to ignore the I’ve been putting on every message

[ashen marsh]

(im not intersex)

[hidden bough]

Oh idk what's up with you then

[ashen marsh]

its not even like a "oh a 1% chromosome mishap"

[hidden bough]

What's this about

[ashen marsh]

yeah theres a lot of things that can cause jt lol

[lilac crater]

[lilac crater]

[ashen marsh]

its like, they have a scanner that expects a "boy body" and a "girl body" and thats fine for most people, but for like 1/20 that means you get taken into a concrete room and interrogated because you didnt fit their mold

just because it works for most doesnt mean that its okay on the whole

[lilac crater]

Im just being ignored

[ashen marsh]

youre being disrespectful

[lilac crater]

Huh

[magic python]

<@&268886789983436800> react spamming, not sure if this is actionable but like, modpings are to check so

[lilac crater]

Aww man

See y’all never

[brave flare]

Just woke up

[hidden bough]

It does seem like this TSA point doesn't really generalize super well to a criticism of the idea of biological sex as a whole

[ashen marsh]

ive got no problems with you, its just like, what do you expect lol

[magic python]

Sorry for the disturbance

[brave flare]

Tell me "NoobDev", what is the goal in doing this?

Is it funny in any capacity?

[hidden bough]

If 95% of the population has some property that still makes it roughly standard

[agile fiber]

removed from channel

[brave flare]

Oh this is serious I didn't even notice

[hidden bough]

And this is pretty much orthogonal to whether the way like the law treats it is good

[ashen marsh]

what do you think the purpose of "biological facts" like sex are? (I dont mean to taunt you with the quotes, i just dont want to implicitly agree that they exist)

[hidden bough]

Things like having a uterus and getting periods and the ability to have kids and the way your hormones work affect pretty fundamentally your human experience, in sort of the same way that eg your race and ethnicity or how many limbs you have do. In particular and more concretely, all of these things are important to consider when thinking about medicine.

But also when just considering psychology or the human experience or just people in pretty much any context, being able to say "female" as shorthand for this combination of various things is useful

And importantly "female" allows for various "deviations" from this platonic ideal like infertility or disorders that mean you don't get your period or whatever

[ashen marsh]

i agree that these are useful things that can deliver a lot of information quickly, but there are other times that they can mislead or cover up information

[hidden bough]

Of course it's possible to like poorly legislate with respect to this semi-nebulous property of being female or discriminate based on it or take it to be literally universal and so on and so forth, but it's a pretty important category to be able to refer to

And the same is true of for instance ethnicity, and I would assume you wouldn't object to having a concept of ethnicity in the same way

[ashen marsh]

like- "women are tired of the glass ceiling" can other people who arent employed or dont care about jobs. is the blind woman not a woman? what about the one out on a work injury?

[hidden bough]

Sorry that first sentence isn't quite parsing for me

[ashen marsh]

haha my bad

i mean like- "women have periods" is not something that applies to me because i dont, have a uterus, and also many women who have periods stop getting periods past a certain age. these categories let us make sweeping generalizations- like a wave rushing up against a craggy beach. it hits all of the detailed and complicated lives of the people it seeks to label and makes them all feel kinda shit

do you mind if i send you an image? i made a little sketch / art thing lol but i dont have image perms

[hidden bough]

I don't but you should also have image permissions in #chill

[ashen marsh]

ooh okay yeah check there one sec

its a little matrix showing how 10 facts that are true for 90% of people can broadly be untrue

if every 10% means like, a medical operation going wrong or feeling mistreated or traumatized, then the toll is pretty heavy

my point is that facts are useful (!) but facts can also be misused or represented in a way that doesnt allow for an unexpected case that will absolutely occur

[hidden bough]

But like the reason that this kind of thing is useful is that most places where one would use such a categorization don't depend on every factor at once

[ashen marsh]

thats fine if theres not really a consequence, but when these facts get so deep rooted that the tsa has a girl and boy button its, like, awful

[ashen marsh]

i agree

[hidden bough]

If the important concern for a certain medication is only fact 1, then for pretty much everyone in the "female" category you're close to fine

[ashen marsh]

i mean, im diabetic (type one). only 1/450 have this condition. I literally cannot go somewhere if there isnt a vending machine within 100m or something otherwise i risk going into a coma without sugar access

for all the building owners this isnt really an issue

but when no buildings have them, then my life is hell

i think that lots of people face stuff like this yk?

its pretty rare that someone doesnt fall into male or female, but if you dont then society is completely alienating and hostile in so many ways

its the 1% that we send into hell

[hidden bough]

To be clear I don't actually disagree with this, but I think that this is true of like most categorizations that we apply to people

[ashen marsh]

i dont want to say one way is right or wrong, i just hope to give a different viewpoint

oh haha nice good timing

[ashen marsh]

i agree. i guess my takeaway would be like- we dont improve the world for the 99%, we improve it for the 1%, because most of us are the 1% for one thing or another

[hidden bough]

I see your point but I think I'd push back on it a little

[ashen marsh]

if youre in a wheelchair and there just arent accessibility ramps because the cultural norm is curbs and no one thought of you then like, youre just fucked

[hidden bough]

Because yes we're all the 1% for one thing or another, but also from a purely objective standpoint more good is done (or suffering is alleviated or however you want to phrase it) by doing a study that makes sure a drug is safe for the 99% than the 1%

That doesn't mean nobody should ever think about the 1%

But it does sort of have to inform how we allocate resources

[ashen marsh]

oh haha ofc yes

i mean you just have to weight it yk?

[slate turret]

hi gray

heart emoji

[ashen marsh]

like if a change is a minor improvement for 99 but literally kills 1 guy then uhh probably not good

[ashen marsh]

hallow mellow :D

[proven depot]

what is this debate

[hidden bough]

Sure but I think at this point your claim is much weaker than your original one. I've agreed I think the whole time that the weighting is off significantly, but originally you were saying things like "gender and sex categorizations exist only for the sake of oppression" or similar

[ashen marsh]

(( its very hard to tell if its gonna kill that weird guy, but its easier if hes in the room ))

[ashen marsh]

i can contradict myself, like, i can hold that belief to be true in some ways and untrue in others

im not an objective machine

i think that we could probably find a better way of talking about that stuff

bc it does personally hurt me, it makes life very scary in a lot of ways

[hidden bough]

I'm curious what you mean by this

[ashen marsh]

liiike

why does the TSA need to check if i have periods or not to board a plane

they basically assumed "youre boy or girl" and then made a scanner to check if youre trying to sneak a bomb on a plane by pretending to have boobs

like seriously theres a better way than that wtf are we doing

[hidden bough]

This seems less about the language and more about them being not very good at their jobs

[ashen marsh]

the people who designed the scanner assumed that the binary always held true, they put weird people into the 0.5% and called it fine

their ideas were informed by the cultural norms

like if i can guess at the thought process:

"how do we check if ppl have a bomb?" -> "what are the similarities between people?" -> "well, uh, i mean theres male and female so we just need to get a scan for male and female"

thus the boy/girl scanner was born

the reason i risk getting sent to a concrete room is literally just some guy assuming that boy and girl is a biological fact

i gotta sleep lol

[slate turret]

12-3am for you rn lol

[ashen marsh]

yeahhh

[proven depot]

But what reasonable solution is there to such a problem?

[ashen marsh]

not have the boygirl scanner

[hidden bough]

I think realistically the answer is probably "don't have the machine scan for bulges"

[slate turret]

I'm guessing you're in a Dem city bc a lot of Republican areas have rules that makes life harder for trans ppl (if I understood what I read correctly)

[ashen marsh]

(statistically they flag more trans people and people with actual weapons can generally get through tsa 😭)

[magic python]

What is the point of TSA knowing that..? How does it affect them in any way?

[ashen marsh]

yeah i am, im lucky

[ashen marsh]

LOL YEAH THIS

like actually what the fuck lmfao

[magic python]

"Oh no it's actually A MAN here, oh no, gender doesnt matter"

[ashen marsh]

its too late though they already spent like a bajillion dollars to install them

[hidden bough]

The idea is that the machine is checking where your silhouette sticks out from every angle, and if you're a woman it expects that to happen in the chest, and if you're a man it expects that to happen in the groin

[magic python]

Surgery :3

[proven depot]

I honestly have no idea I would assume there is some function I thought this was more of a broader cultural discussion as opposed to a specific policy.

[hidden bough]

And if that happens in an unexpected place it looks like you're smuggling something

[hidden bough]

I think the issue is usually more "lack of surgery"

[magic python]

I'm saying surgery as in someone can just get surgery to fix that

[ashen marsh]

it is a big cultural thing where we like, say something is a fact if its 99% true and then the 1% is a tragedy

[ashen marsh]

i dont want surgery i like who i am, and also its kinda fucked how people assume that people want it

[hidden bough]

I think it's too late at night cause I have no idea what this means lol

[ashen marsh]

you can get cosmetic surgery to get a "normal woman body"

[magic python]

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that, I meant that in a way of "it doesn't tell you my sex if I fix myself" more like personal not assuming everyone wants it

[magic python]

Oh was the discussion not on sex anymore? Oops

[ashen marsh]

oh haha dw i dont take offense

[magic python]

Oh phew

[ashen marsh]

i couldve worded it more passively lmao

[magic python]

Because yeah surgery is a tad extreme for many

[ashen marsh]

i honestly see myself as a boy and a girl at the same time, and some other thing i dont know

[magic python]

Gender is hard I won't lie

[ashen marsh]

the color next to my name is just there because its a design thing

[proven depot]

I think broader problems need to be addressed before those 1% situations probably, in general.

[ashen marsh]

i dont need gender (for me) to exist

[hidden bough]

Really one should just address both lol

[ashen marsh]

yeah yeah this

[magic python]

Knowing my luck I'd finally get the surgery I've been wanting since around 10 years old and then suddenly not want to be like that

[proven depot]

There's a reason why the left is basically in stagnation currently and we can't get shit done

[ashen marsh]

yeah its uhhhhhhh terrifying lol i imagine

[hidden bough]

There's much more to this than overindexing on small parts of the population

Most of it is capitalism in some incarnation or another

[ashen marsh]

governments should collapse (something i believe sometimes but not always with varying levels of certainty)

[proven depot]

yeah, those aren't reasonable positions and are contributing to the problem

[ashen marsh]

yeah i agree, this is the root

[ashen marsh]

haha fair

[magic python]

Life's life I guess, used to hating the body anyways so like it's not a big deal if it happens from surgery

[ashen marsh]

i just dont like being a citizen. i didnt choose to be owned by a nation when i was born

[magic python]

Fair

[ashen marsh]

your body is who you are- i mean, very literally it is you

[hidden bough]

The fact that american politics (especially on the conservative side) is so centered on like trans rights or whatever is because it's better if people fight over that than the things that affect the people in power

[ashen marsh]

i used to feel the same way and ive only recently come around

[magic python]

Not if i dissociate enough :3 /hj

[ashen marsh]

it will be okay, i wish i could hug you

good night friends

[slate turret]

good night

[magic python]

Good night

[hidden bough]

Good night

[late ridge]

I am looking for study partner who started learning computer science

[magic python]

Don't post across multiple channels, plus, this is the wrong channel anyways.

[clever quiver]

hey pal

[late ridge]

tell me which channel is appropriate

[magic python]

There isn't one, but this channel is especially not the right place.

At least there isn't to my knowledge of this server

[inland raft]

Self studying is the best studying

Just go at your own pace

Until you've understood a topic, then move to the next one until you've mastered it all

[inner canopy]

Based anarchism

[rapid valve]

No now this is a real argument

[mystic hill]

So, an arbitrary atom in the universe will be hydrogen?

Makes sense.

[brittle jasper]

Me when I only care about proton count.

[mystic hill]

One electron, one proton

[brittle jasper]

I'm sure there are even free protons. But yes I think the most common atom should be 1p+1e

[mystic hill]

Easy for it to form in big numbers.

[brittle jasper]

This is more big-bang dynamics and star formation stuff though

[mystic hill]

Free electrons should be more.

[brittle jasper]

Hmm think somehow the universe is electrically neutral?

[mystic hill]

Oh, right.

I'm foolish.

[eager ledge]

In chemistry, yes, but they usually bond with water to form H3O+ ions.

[magic sleet]

yeh, but He+ + e-, and Li+ + e-
has 0 free protons and 1 free elctron

[rapid valve]

Well theoretically the universe should have as much matter as anitmatter too but observations don't tend to confirm that

So idk at this point

[echo field]

Matter is more than anti matter

[eager ledge]

Yes, the universe is electrically neutral. This is confirmed by our experiments, and IIRC xkcd even wrote about a thought experiment about what happens if you add a single positive charge.

[echo field]

Overabundance of 1 billion to 1 ratio of matter and antimatter

[rapid valve]

So what happens if you add 1 positive charge

[echo field]

thats why universe will collapse when anti matter is gets enough weak

[eager ledge]

Check xkcd’s what if, I think?

(I forgot.)

I can’t find it right now. I was sure he had talked about this, but maybe I misremembered…

Maybe I was thinking about of this one instead: https://what-if.xkcd.com/140/ (but it really seems different).

[clever iron]

don't we just...not know if the mass threshold is above or below the critical rate to stop expansion?

that was my takeaway from Hawking's Brief History Of Time

[echo field]

there is new research

[sharp yarrow]

Where was Stephen hawking

[clever iron]

in his house probably idk 😭

[eager ledge]

Actually, cosmologists know, but they have decided to pretend they didn’t so as to spare us peasants from the curse of knowledge.

[magic sleet]

i think there is equal matter and antimatter, its just not distributed equally

[clever iron]

"However, the actual density of the universe is slightly below the critical density, which means expansion will continue forever."
-University of Cambridge

hmmm

AI might not be accurate tbf idk

[clever iron]

how do you know that they know 💔

[eager ledge]

Don’t talk about it! Otherwise they’ll find me.

[ionic wraith]

I forget many times that one of the reasons patriarchy persists is because the archetype of “pick me” women is a significant chunk of the population, and even more so in more socially conservative countries

[rapid valve]

Yeah some say there could be entire regions made of anti matter that never meets the regions with matter

But i think it is weird because the distribution should've been smooth

Yk just like the cmb isn't as smooth as it should be

[rapid valve]

This gotta be ragebait

It's so densely filled with things i hate

[timid flax]

https://giphy.com/gifs/cow-kerala-mallu-OSOc7ueRbWWuzC33zYhttps://giphy.com/gifs/cow-kerala-mallu-OSOc7ueRbWWuzC33zY

[glass peak]

It’s not even just the pick me types, most women just aren’t feminists in any remote sense, even many who think they are

[ionic wraith]

I know pick me is a very specific archetype of woman who engages in specific behaviors that try to maximize attention and validation from men, but in an abstract sociological sense any woman who is a non-feminist is a pick me

[rapid valve]

Oh that one is very good too

[glossy marlin]

-# also no isotopes, no fusion, no fission, ofc
-# according to the right wing

[next schooner]

What

"in an abstract sociological sense"? This is an absolute nonsense sentence

[glossy marlin]

"when I voted for the "release wolves that eat people´s faces" party I didn´t know they´d let the wolves eat my face"

[next schooner]

You're just taking the label for the "pick me" behavioural archetype, then trying to launder it through some bs claim that - but of course - you're taking it in an "abstract sociological sense" (which you naturally do not elaborate on whatsoever) which somehow applies some magic that turns it into actually nothing to do with behaviour and instead just an indicator function as to whether someone is not a feminist. My question is - why? To what end? You're not doing any analysis, you're asserting that all women fit into a binary characterisation as either "feminist" or the pejorative "pick me". What's the point?

[eager ledge]

This is certainly a fun take, but I want to point out (given the channel title) that it’s important not to mistake it for anything remotely serious.

[next schooner]

It would seem that all this does is make "pick me" a meaningless label if it is simply equal to "not a feminist"

[ionic wraith]

Ur fucking exhausting I’m not engaging with you

[next schooner]

That is because you have nothing of substance to say

[ionic wraith]

It’s a moral identifier to engage animosity to perpetuators of a system by people who don’t benefit from it or so marginally do (like a house slave in the antebellum south)

The world is getting more polarized so far more clear lines are getting drawn

[ionic wraith]

You’re engaging this as if it’s a write up in an academic journal, it’s not that fucking deep

[next schooner]

"It's not that deep" is not really available as a fallback after you compare women whose politics do not agree with yours to "house slaves" and speak as though you are performing 'Abstract Sociological Analysis'. You made up your own moral taxonomy, defended it through some opppresion analogy, and now you're just trying to dodge any scrutiny of you words.

If someone is putting other women down for male approval and u wanna call that behaviour out then fine. Go off. But if your claim is just “non-feminist women are collaborators and therefore deserve contempt”, then just fuckin say that.

[ionic wraith]

compare women whose politics you do not agree to to house slaves

Not all of them, the main people I would think of are mother in laws who are boy moms and treat their DILs like absolute shit, while having slightly more standing in family dynamics.

But yes, it’s called an analogy

you made up your own moral taxonomy

Oh sorry sorry rat! I did that instead of finding the objective moral taxonomy in the woods

With the last paragraph, you did it! You read between the lines! Congrats

Here’s a cookie 🍪

Oh yeah @burnt ledge , so the clustering that I previously did and showed only involved data on services within the goods and services, but there was a completely separate dataset on goods/merchandise, so I did clustering on graph centrality measures there and got similar but also different results

[ionic wraith]

red cluster being effectively the global north (in 2024) and blue cluster being effectively the global south

[burnt ledge]

i sharply object to your elitist taxonomy which pejorates, by your own analysis, the majority of women. if your analysis be a feminist one, then i object also to feminism

[junior tartan]

where can i check plag for free like turnitin?

[burnt ledge]

this is interesting, ive forgotten what exactly the services dataset looked like but it could be interesting to compare

[ionic wraith]

this is the lvl 1 services clustering (rip the coloring scheme is fixed)

[burnt ledge]

The major differencrs that stamd out to ne are subsaharan africa and some of eastern eruope

[ionic wraith]

if it is a numbers basis by which the taxonomy is elitist, then wouldn't say gay rights in the 70s where a similar clear moral line is drawn is elitist too

[next schooner]

Very cute. But, you’ve conceded the point: the term is being used as a moral label to justify contempt, not as a description of a specific behaviour. My criticism was that you are collapsing behaviour into ideological guilt. Your reply is basically “yes, and?”

At least you're honest about it, I suppose

[ionic wraith]

makes sense, considering subsaharan africa has major industries in metal extraction and a lot of Eastern europe is developing a robust IT services industry

[next schooner]

Shame you couldn't just say your hateful anti-feminist bullshit in straightforward terms the first time around

[ionic wraith]

yeah, this framework is a normative framework than a descriptive framework

[next schooner]

Would've saved some time

[ionic wraith]

shame you couldn't read between the lines early on and spent numerous paragraphs engaging in massive pedantry

[magic sleet]

on a large enough scale even with a uniform pdf, packets of matter dominated areas of arbitrary size will occur

[ionic wraith]

I prolly shouldn't be beefing with the owner of this server ngl

[dreamy crag]

....fucking what?

bio???

[ionic wraith]

don't worry it's a long context, I understand where rat is coming from. Wait also anti-feminist bullshit?! this was anti-anti-feminist bullshit!

[rapid valve]

Well yeah of course the main theory is that all the disparities come from pulsations in the primordial inflaton field, tho i've heard countless times that it shouldn't cause so big disparities later (and i have no way near the required background to understand why)

[burnt ledge]

its probably fine in the grand scheme of things although i do find your position distasteful and some of your behaviour so as well (for example framing this as a lack of reading comprehension on rats part). idt its particularly relevant that shes the server owner

[dreamy crag]

gimmie like 15 minutse to read

[next schooner]

This is a channel for serious discussion. If you make a broad moral claim, especially one involving systems of oppression, collaboration, slavery analogies, and justified contempt, other users may choose to examine that claim seriously. “It’s not that deep”, “read between the lines”, and calling scrutiny “massive pedantry” are not serious engagement. If your position is normative rather than descriptive, say that clearly and defend the norm. Do not make loaded claims and then sneer at people for treating them as claims.

[rapid valve]

At leas tthat's what i recall from conferences

[burnt ledge]

Now i think it has started to matter that rat can act in a moderation capacity

[magic sleet]

i have little clue what "pulsations in the primordial inflaton field" means, i am by no means a physics student.

[next schooner]

This is bad faith participation no matter which way you spin it. The issue here is that you have come to #serious-discussion, made a very loaded argument, and are now treating scrutiny of your argument as beneath you.

[rapid valve]

Well it's a field which has energy pulsating and the energy repartition got fixed at a specific time when expension ended that pulsation suddenly

I think so, this is really trying to recollect stuff on my part

High energy density allows particles popping in and out of existence, making he field uneven, and the sudden expansion made the density crash, fixing it at a certain state

[magic sleet]

i homestly dont know what exactly a feild is, ik it has smthing to do with "representations of the lorentz group" and ik what that means, but i dont know what exactly it is

[magic python]

You sure you mean to post this here..?

[magic sleet]

yes

[magic python]

Oh wait I can't read

[magic sleet]

same

[magic python]

I thought you were talking about in abs alg

[rapid valve]

Me neither but im just telling the thing igot by listening to confereces

[magic sleet]

icy

[rapid valve]

Idk in detail

I think it's about the field of force/energy that represrnt a particular interaction

But you smash all interactions together because they are the same in extreme cases

Maybe not all but at least some

[magic sleet]

ok, i am unproud to say that ik enough physics tp have some knowledge on this

[rapid valve]

Lol

[magic sleet]

kind of, the feild just represents the particles, there are "force carrying particles tho" afaik

also

its less about smash together interactions and more that in high enough energy, the stationary state is symmetric, but in lower energy cases the stationary state is asymmetric (tho the set if stationary states is still symmetric), and the symmetry makes it much neater and act as one/fewer forces

again afaik

[rapid valve]

Ic

So different interactions are jsut directions from the stationary state?

[magic sleet]

be aware tho; all my knowledge on physics is borderline bullshit, i am not a physics student, and i am not good at physics, and i wont study physics, ...

[magic sleet]

meaning?

[rapid valve]

Me neither

[rapid valve]

The asymetry makes it so that moving away from the stationary state in one coordinate is not the same as another one, behaving like different interactions?

[magic sleet]

stationary state as in the solution of the euler langrange equations, not as in whatever i think you mean

[gloomy cedar]

guys i got a question

[magic sleet]

same, what us your qn

[rapid valve]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inflaton

[magic sleet]

icy that i dont cy

[gloomy cedar]

i have a dream uni that i want to get in , but when i look at there entrance exam, it just damn.....it so hard and got way beyond than 12th grade, and got tricky questions and stuff. but i know im still didnt reach 12th grade yet, but i really want that shcool, because it is my only chance to go abraod of where i am. so, what should i do ? and where do i learn such hight math to keep it as general knowledge, so when i reach at 12th i would be fine to answear those exams well after?

[magic sleet]

can you tell the name of the entrance exam? or atleast the syllabus?

[gloomy cedar]

i mean the university i want is um6p , in morocco btw

i got some example of the exam but it in french if u dont mind

T_T

[magic sleet]

i dont know french

if you have a syllabus copy can you copy paste the text?

[mellow pond]

i see

[gloomy cedar]

alr 1s

[gloomy cedar]

they got things like .........we cant send pic here....

well if i copy past it it will look like this Problem:Let $(u_n)$ be a sequence defined by $u_0 = 1$ and for all $n \in \mathbb{N}$:$$u_{n+1} = \sqrt{2 + u_n}$$Convergence: Show by induction that $0 < u_n < 2$.The Limit: Assuming the sequence converges to a limit $L$, solve the equation $L = \sqrt{2 + L}$ to find the exact value of the limit.The Comparison: If this sequence represented the "recovery rate" of a patient, how many steps (n) would it take to get within 1% of the limit?

[fathom swallow]

𝖕𝖑𝖎𝖝

[gloomy cedar]

nvm

[mellow pond]

there's better places to ask about these things

[gloomy cedar]

im not asking about math problems

[mellow pond]

still

[magic python]

Chill is probably better if i had to guess

[gloomy cedar]

but where to learn that type of hardness that exist in exam enterence

[mellow pond]

kid named channel descriptions

[magic sleet]

ok, to be honest this doesnt look like it would be too difficult to learn

[mellow pond]

well #study-discussion might be better suited for that

either way my point is this is prob the wrong place to ask

maybe not wrong but def not ideal

[magic sleet]

i would reccomend getting hold of a syllabus copy

[gloomy cedar]

first, im not a kid, secondly my bad.

[mellow pond]

i wasn't calling you a kid lol

[magic python]

They didn't call you a kid

[gloomy cedar]

english isnt my first language

[gloomy cedar]

alright , wanna go to so called #study-discussion to keep such order of chats, or ...

[magic sleet]

sure

[eager ledge]

That’s actually a very standard 12-th grade question in France (and I would assume in Morocco as well).

[grave cedar]

this woman from nigeria meetalay.seabear/ llik her parents

[magic python]

[outer minnow]

new arg dropped

[wary crescent]

Does anyone here have a masters in math from an engineering/CS undergrad. I want to ask them for advice

[hot sentinel]

yo

[junior crow]

Hi guys, I'm thinking of developing an educational app to help students learn. Anyone want to give me feedback on the idea?

[surreal sapphire]

it's not very developed

[sonic musk]

anyone got ti84 programs for calc bc

[mellow pond]

genuinely why has this channel been getting used so much lately as an "asking for help asking for feedback asking for advice" when there are numerous way better places to ask

[magic python]

Because as always people don't read channel descriptions

Also that was a crosspost

[mellow pond]

still tho

[magic python]

People just post stuff without caring, same as why there is so much asking for math help in #math-discussion and #chill I'd assume

[mellow pond]

makes sense

[verbal quest]

yea, this channel is only for those kinds of repetition, not the other kind of repetition!
smh

[magic python]

where can i get my prove of odd perfect numbers dont exist published?

[verbal quest]

#1163339826003710022

[mellow pond]

what do i do if i have theories /ref

[magic python]

no access? this is dogma, you is hiding my works. [Insert slur here]

[verbal quest]

wait, do you really not have access

[mellow pond]

on an actual serious matter

uhh
is there actually going to be a draft some time in the next few months/years or is that fearmonngering

in the usa i mean

[odd narwhal]

Please move the shitposting elsewhere

[magic python]

I do, dw

[magic python]

Alright

[verbal quest]

is that currently in place to happen, no
is that possible, who knows

[eager ledge]

I struggle to believe this. But then again, some of the current administration’s past actions also beggared belief.

[stark trench]

What would be the purpose of a draft in the United States?

[mellow pond]

with how tied up in the middle east's business the US has been in (like usual) there's been another "guys it's wwiii we're gonna get drafted" scare in the past couple weeks if not months

[devout cliff]

There won’t be a draft barring war with China which we’d never follow through on

We have a huge military and reserves, most of them are still just sitting around on bases in the US or in allies countries not in the Middle East

[stark trench]

The U.S. has a pretty massive military and reserves, yeah. There would be basically no need for a draft.

[devout cliff]

If most of them got mobilized and then took heavy losses then I’d be worried

[stark trench]

It's pretty unlikely. The United States has become very good at minimizing deaths among their service members.

[rapid valve]

DISCIPLINE

[devout cliff]

Which is good but hopefully everyone is just reasonable and ends this peacefully. We’ve only sent like 5,000 marines in the region we have like 170,000 more to send. We only needed like 60,000 combat troops to take over all of Iraq and topple Sadam

[rapid valve]

Ah no i co fused draft woth military service

[devout cliff]

As with everything in the Middle East though and the exact situation we’re in, we struggle to convert military success and dominance into favorable political outcomes. Force won’t solve anything on its own

[proven depot]

It's disgusting that I have to respond critically to obviously AI generated trash other students are presenting in gen eds

[hollow bane]

Are you a TA or a person who has to respond to discussion boards

[proven depot]

discussion board essays and speeches

[fervent owl]

I wonder how psychologists thinks, do they feel more controlled in life with their knowledge or they are just messy as we are, ordinary humans

[storm sage]

As a neuroscientist I feel like I think the human experience is much weirder than most people think

[glossy marlin]

as ex-patient and student of many things I know the human (and non-human) experience is way weirder than people (including many psychologists and neuroscientists) know or are willing to admit

[verbal quest]

https://www.psichi.org/page/272Eye-Why-Dont-Psychologists-Talk-About-Their-Own-Mental-Health

[fervent owl]

This is an amazing article, thank you

[stark trench]

It definitely is.

The weirdness of human experience is sorta part of the reason I find so many metaphysical theories of experience obviously wrong.

[subtle magnet]

There's a lot about human experience that is known but not even remotely understood.

Any neuroscientist worth their salt should be willing to admit this. Psychologist idk.

And metaphysical theories of the same have many different lenses through we which they can be countered usually

[fervent owl]

Brain learning brain

[pseudo vapor]

what is the difference between serious and non-serious discussion

[burnt ledge]

Everyones experience but mine is so much weirder than i can imagine

[proven fox]

Hmm.

[trail lichen]

this is more like lounge or off-topic smh

anyway, where i can have my opinion and asking without involved with shitty ahh people ?

in this server

[teal lion]

An unrelated metaphysical tangent I’ve been thinking of a bit:

I would feel shocked if there aren’t many imperceptible things that we will never detect, simply because we are physically incapable of perceiving them.

It is plausible to me there’s a ton of objects that don’t interact with any of the fundamental interactions.

For example, one could imagine a dual universe existing at the same places and times as this one, with identical fundamental interactions. Everything is the same except that the particles only interact with dual particles. Such a world could exist on top of this one all the time, and you’d never be able to perceive it at all, because it can’t interact with any particles that perceptible objects can interact with.

This sort of thing seems very likely to me (objects that interact with each other, and not with any particles we will ever be able to interact with).

[trail lichen]

you mean ousia ?

[trail lichen]

like ?

[subtle magnet]

Imho this just sounds like some metaphysical justification one would give for SUSY because of the lack of empirical evidence /s

[trail lichen]

what is being conscious mean ?

where you dont agree with metaphysic ?

[glossy marlin]

it´s not scientific (and sometimes not even logical), a lot of metaphysical stuff doesn´t explain or outright denies some of the complexity of human experience, same with religion.

[subtle magnet]

what is being conscious mean ?
Nobody knows exactly. It's an open problem, but one common view is that consciousness is a sufficient condition for existence (Cogito Ergo Sum).

[stable shell]

A

What is metaphysic

I only learned 7th grade maths

[subtle magnet]

Good for you since metaphysics needn't have anything to do with math.

[storm sage]

Some interesting things to check out:

• Split-brain syndrome
• Hemispatial neglect
• Akinetopsia

[undone mist]

metaphysics is, probably very broadly speaking, a branch of philosophy that talks about how things came to be and talks about topics like existence and reality

[trail lichen]

can anyton kinda hewlp me

i wan to brush my linear algebra skill

my qn is
why scalar production of 2 vectors is the multiplication of the magnitudes of two vectors by the cosine of the angle between them ?

[wild lantern]

The intuition for it should be coming from trig more or less

When you first see it.

Law of cosines or something?

But more generally you can take it as a definition

In an arbitrary inner product space you can use this same formula and take arc cosines to give a notion of the angle between two vectors.

[full hornet]

dot product measures how much two vectors point in the same direction

so using cosine of the angle between them here is somewhat natural

[trail lichen]

i see
thank you

[full hornet]

cos theta is 1 if they point in the exactly same direction, 0 if they’re perpendicular, -1 if they’re pointing in exactly opposite directions

[trail lichen]

so we are measuring the product of the 2 vectors if they were combined ?

*just for clarification

bcuz what im asking is what are they trying to solve rather than how it does

[full hornet]

dot products are usually to solve a problem along the lines of “how much is this vector pointing in this direction”

[trail lichen]

yh, thank you for the informational answers

😄

[full hornet]

that too

[trail lichen]

maybe, i know what im trying to ask
but i dont actually phrase it better

[wild lantern]

Duality may not be so important depending on what you're doing.

[full hornet]

i was just thinking in terms of like multivar calc where you’re solving surface integrals or whatever

[wild lantern]

Like, you can do work integrals in physics/engineering without knowing anything about duality but you'd certainly need some comfort with just basic inner product shit for ex

[full hornet]

yeah

if you’re doing more abstract stuff you’ll want the inner product as an isomorphism between V and V*, or a way to get a norm

i just realized now that choosing an inner product is equivalent to choosing an isomorphism between V and V* for finite-dimensional vector spaces lol

[trail lichen]

i dont think i would ned calculus in my project

[idle steppe]

You could prove that formula with algebra

I find that i understand formulas better when im able to prove them

[trail lichen]

its just i havent uses math
idk why im trying to making excus
but i def was good in lin alg
its just havent fiddle with heavy mathematic in my project

or its just that i know how to do
but dont understand what problem theyre solving

[full hornet]

there’s a lot of views of what the dot product does depending on what you’re trying to do

[trail lichen]

glad, i'm not that rusty in expanding

[devout cliff]

What’s your project?

[trail lichen]

interger linear programming

for path computation element controller

[devout cliff]

Nice is it for operations research?

[trail lichen]

yh, i'm kinda doing it with algebra
glad i still could get hang of algebra

[trail lichen]

research in computer network

[trail lichen]

okay, what is crossed my mind of lin algebra
they're diagonal line go to some axis y and x according to each axis's value

[vivid tundra]

Hey, this is not a mathematical channel. Only serious discussion

[mint canopy]

People are more than welcome to discuss mathematics here, it's more that people don't do so very often :)

[trail lichen]

anyway guys

so if dot product to see the alligntment of two vec in two axis

then, is an inner product to see the how aligned are they in more generalised form ?

[burnt ledge]

yea pretyy much

[trail lichen]

by all mean to correc me if you find out i dont understand it

[cinder yoke]

HII I need help w math it'suh trigonmometry or smth like tht dm me if u yk it

[glass peak]

Hi, please see #❓how-to-get-help if you have specific questions, or try #geometry-and-trigonometry otherwise

[trail lichen]

yh something like ;
,tex $$x⋅y=x_1​y_1​+x_2​y_2​+⋯+x_n​ y_n $$​

[vivid tundra]

Read the channel description btw

[mint canopy]

I was involved in writing the channel description

[fathom swallow]

impl ultraAnime for HatsunaHana
Compile Error! Click the reaction for more information.
(You may edit your message to recompile.)

[trail lichen]

idk, how to do this latex properly tho

[mint canopy]

You did it properly, just omit the ,tex bit. Please try out #latex-testing and ask the bot ,help if you want more info

[trail lichen]

okay

[dreamy crag]

<@&268886789983436800>

Promo probably, I’m not clicking on that

Thank you for the soup, Doot, it’s very nice

[rapid valve]

Seals

[blazing pawn]

@dreamy crag maybe you are too young to remember this but michael jackson has been accused of pedophilia by 11 children over the course of a decade. It is unambiguous public knowledge that he slept in the same bed, alone, repeatedly, with many of them and generally crossed any and all lines regarding acceptable boundaries between an adult and a child. all of the non-anonymous accusors are still alive

[dreamy crag]

Yep, which I know wasn’t mentioned in the movie

speaking of those allegations… god damnit Kenny… whyyyyy

[blazing pawn]

So for added context the movie originally did mention them. It claimed they were false and attempted to valorize michael jackson's image. The movie had to be recut due to settlements between the jackson estate and the accusors

[dreamy crag]

Oh Jesus that’s bad

[dreamy crag]

(I’ll talk about this once you’re done)

[blazing pawn]

Im not going to say that no one can not believe the jackson allegations though I do think the evidence is overwhelmingly against him. But I find it personally kind of repugnant that the director, who has no personal connection to any of these people, decided to make a film accusing a dozen people saying they were molested as children of being like, opportunistic liars who just want the money

He said basically that in an interview btw. "I dont necessarily know the truth" followed by "But people will do a lot for money"

[dreamy crag]

Oh he’s one of those…

Yeah that’s really icky

[latent edge]

That's just disgusting and sad

[blazing pawn]

The minds of MJ defenders like this are pretty disturbing. If you are so deep in the rabbit hole that you don't even believe in the possibility of his guilt then whatever. But there are also people I've seen who acknowledge that they don't "know the truth" but defend him anyway. and they seem totally unconcerned with the fact that, if they are wrong, they smearing probably the most high profile victims of child molestation in recent history if not ever

many of whom have been pretty open at this point about spending most of their life since grappling with the trauma both of the event and of having turned into a circus spectacle

nasty, frankly!

[dreamy crag]

Yeah… not giving the victims the time of day in a Michael Jackson movie is downright evil

I would now like to bring up maybe my least favorite bar ever

Ok so like, I get the context. The point of the song is “will you still care about the good I did even if I have done bad” but like…

This was in 2015, he absolutely should have known

And comparing being a drug addict and indulging in money to molesting children just kind of makes his statement wobbly

It’s also one of the last bars on a near perfect album

It’s the only thing that’s stopping me from giving tpab a 100/100

It’s just so gross, and makes me not want to finish the album

[true zinc]

ewwwwwww

[distant lark]

hey guys

[plush idol]

Lmfaooo this bar so ass

[dreamy crag]

It is?

About what?

[rapid juniper]

hi

[dreamy crag]

It was rhetorical

Yes

Being the fact that it still is, you asking was it doesn’t make sense

[mint canopy]

I'm not sure what the problem seems to have been here.

[dreamy crag]

Me being bad at communication I think

[dreamy crag]

This should have been worked better

[mint canopy]

I think it's the opposite personally

If there are issues feel free to ping

[dreamy crag]

It should be fine

[lost spruce]

MJ glazers are very very very very weird I don't enjoy them

like I'm sure he was awesome and like the second coming of christ or whatever

[dreamy crag]

He may be the most popular anyone will ever be

[lost spruce]

may i introduce you to genghis khan

[dreamy crag]

Like just insanely famous

[dreamy crag]

I mean as a celebrity, although you are probably right

[lost spruce]

Yeah yeah I know i'm just being goofy

[dreamy crag]

Being silly is good for the soul

[lost spruce]

TPAB isn't a 100/100 btw, but mr morale is

i've never heard a song better than auntie diaries

[dreamy crag]

Ok I disagree but it is my favorite

[lost spruce]

its ok to be wrong

[dreamy crag]

Truuuuu

[dreamy crag]

I think tpab is better, but I prefer mmatbs

[lost spruce]

I am in a particularly queer friendgroup and I think everybody cried the first time they heard it, keep in mind this is from a group who doesn't cry easily

[dreamy crag]

With gkmc a decent third

[dreamy crag]

I still cry to it tbh

Also, am I crazy to say good kid > m.A.A.d city (the songs)

[lost spruce]

ok but that's apple to oranges lmao

[dreamy crag]

I love both, but the jazzy toons hit my soul

[dreamy crag]

Yes but so is tpab to mmatbs in a way

[lost spruce]

Good kidd is primarily about his life madd city is about the world he lives in

[dreamy crag]

Yes, I just think think good kid sounds much better

[lost spruce]

here's my assorted ranking of kendrick albums

1. GKMC
2. DAMN
3. Mr Morale
4. TPAB
5. Untitled
6. GMX
   Section 80 is somewhere here

i think all of these are near perfect

[dreamy crag]

Although the emotions on m.A.A.d city insane

[lost spruce]

I prefer GKMC's storytelling to TPAB

[lost spruce]

i wrote an entire essay on alcoholism while listening to swimming pools

[dreamy crag]

Mine is

1. Tpab
2. Mmatbs
3. Gkmc
4. Uu
5. GNX
6. Section 80
7. Damn
8. Od

[lost spruce]

Od? Oh overly dedicated

[dreamy crag]

Not me with my 40 thousand word essay on how much a dollar cost

[lost spruce]

How the fuck do you put GNX over damn /gen

[dreamy crag]

I just… really don’t like most of the songs off damn

God is my least favorite Kenny song that I’ve listened to by quite a large margin

[lost spruce]

she's oomf but she dislikes Damn. /lh

[dreamy crag]

I have to slog through a bunch of songs I just don’t like to get to the amazing songs like pride and xxx

[dreamy crag]

/j

[lost spruce]

i personally enjoy all of Damn. Minus loyalty lol

[dreamy crag]

It’s better, I just think tpab is more than just it’s story, where that’s most of gkmc

[lost spruce]

Fear is such a pretty song(?) like I enjoy it a lot

[dreamy crag]

It’s alright, but just not my style

[lost spruce]

I see that

[dreamy crag]

It’s also just how negative the album is, which I know is the point, but again, not my thing

I think me and Anthony fantano have like the same ears or smtn

I have yet to be more than 1 point off of a rating on an album I’ve seen him review

[dreamy crag]

Speaking of, I really get annoyed when people disagree with reviewers scores, but never mention their opinion

Like if you agree on the points but disagree on the score you just have diferent taste in music, so who cares

But if you disagree on the actual points the reviewer made, now we are actually having a conversation

[lost spruce]

i'll move to #1207416531303014461 since we stopped talking about

serious things

[dreamy crag]

Ohh

[storm sage]

sing about me gets me so hard

[lost spruce]

i love it so much

[next schooner]

Interesting

TPAB is probably my album of the decade but also I prefer listening to GKMC

But TPAB felt important

Like that shit landed so pertinently at such a crucial political moment that it made ripples all the way over in white rural South England where I live yk

[lost spruce]

i dont doubt that

i just enjoy gkmc more

Now or Never is such a good song :)

people never really talk about it alot

[next schooner]

dats what i said

!!

[lost spruce]

i agreeee colon three

[stiff falcon]

yo guys

what do you do if you studying mathematics/physics/something similarly hard but you try to look at some complicated stuff and then you get demotivated

I thought I was chugging along until I tried to read a paper about superconductors and now I am feeling like I am looking at a 4 dimensional lifeform

[tame whale]

thats how it is, tbh it motivates me a LOT

theres always that thing in ur ear that says "nah i can understand it after enough grind"

[devout cliff]

The struggle is what makes connections in your mind, it’s either just new so the material is foreign or you’re missing some prerequisite information, find the gap, plug it, try again and repeat

[stiff falcon]

for me its like a rubberband of motivation

it makes me feel like I'm lowkey Feynman when I get something (relatively) hard, but when I don't, it feels like I have no potential

right now I'm on the no potential side of things

[tame whale]

ur gonna hit walls, its ok, thats just learning, just strengthen ur prerequisits and basics and you should be fine. and some concepts just (for the majprity) cant be grasped at first time

it took me a WEEK to get a feel of projective geometry and exactly understand why it is useful and how it works

(occured randomly when noticed a tilted paper kinda "squashed" some diagram i drew)

[stiff falcon]

its just that like

idk man its hella demotivating that there are prodigies on the news that show up, read a paper with no effort, and jump from like high school to PHd level knowledge in a year or so

every time I get stuck on a paper I am reminded that there are people who have no difficulty with this

its like having to powerlift in the same gym as Superman

what

elaborate on what I like fuck means

[tame whale]

thats why i fucking hate the math community

[stiff falcon]

??

[magic python]

I was joking <@&268886789983436800> guess they did want a ban

[brave flare]

yeah this guy is just very stupid

"its a good feeling to be banned" reevaluate your life up to this point

[magic python]

Indeed

[stone ferry]

we all have our favorite words

[tame whale]

omg am so offended he called me the word !(am white)

[magic python]

"I want sleep" complaining in math discussion too

[tame whale]

but am african

[stiff falcon]

anyways though it is kind of demotivating to constantly hear about mfs who can do stuff 100x faster than you can and can comprehend the incomprehnesible

this is more of a rant than anything else, to have to hit walls that some people never hit

[brave flare]

guys i just got banned from math discord arent i the tuffest kid in preschool

[stone ferry]

insert woke mathcord gist here

[magic python]

Tfw we only ban actual bad content and trolling:

[tame whale]

compare urself to the begining not the ends

[stiff falcon]

fair enough

[tame whale]

yeah that

[wild lantern]

Tfw your cultural opinions are just you being prejudiced against various languages based on stupid bullshit

[stiff falcon]

what is the context

[tame whale]

theres a non zero chance the banned guy was under the influence and not sober

[magic python]

"It's not racism mandarin is just fucking stupid and you should never do math if you speak it you inefficient swine"

[tame whale]

BAHHAHA

[stiff falcon]

what

[magic python]

An older user

[wild lantern]

A user ages ago got banned for roughly this

Then they made a website to cry about it.

[stiff falcon]

that doesn't even make sense 😭

isn't the usual racial stereotype about the Chinese that they do math better or something

did mf forget who he was insulting

[magic python]

Indeed

[stone ferry]

you can do math with mandarin!

[magic python]

It's them being racist and calling the language and people shit

And then complaining about how woke we are

And some fermi paradox mention

[tame whale]

wait he got PARTIALLY a point

who the hell uses mandarin in math it seems so cursed

[magic python]

No they were having the exact opposite of a point, mandarin can compress meaning FAR better than English does

[magic python]

People who speak the language probably, the user didn't put screenshots of how it started, just them complaining about how the language is "inefficient" and arguing with mods

I don't speak Mandarin so i don't know but I'd assume papers written by people who don't know English and only know Mandarin would be in the language they know

[tame whale]

wait, isnt this just taste ? like someone prefers math with mandarin or no is just a preference, where tf is the argument from the guy

[magic python]

Math isn't all symbols once you get to papers (at least some of the time)

[magic python]

They were being racist about it as well

If I remember the screenshots correctly that is

[tame whale]

this reminds me of math with arabic(the math is read from right to left )

[stiff falcon]

tbf it could be used to avoid the pile of alphabets problem, given the sheer number of characters

formulas probably don't look as intimidating when you replace Phi for the mandarin character for car or whatever the fuck you would use

[magic python]

To be fair what if someone doesn't speak English?

Also I believe the formulas would be relatively similar, some stuff is standardized. I see no issues with a paper written in mandarin, it doesn't miss anything one in english would outside of understanding from those who speak english and not mandarin

[stiff falcon]

so we would still have the ominous greek symbols?

[magic python]

I mean I don't read papers in other languages, but I believe other languages use the symbols that are standardized.

At least ones using the Latin alphabet probably do, I can't see German or something realistically doing something else for the Riemann Zeta Function

[tame whale]

poor fella hasnt seen the old sum notation in arabic

[magic python]

"Old sum" does this imply it changed at least

[tame whale]

oh no, no image perms

[magic python]

Can you post an image in #chill ?

[tame whale]

thank god they did

[magic python]

When? Was it recent (like within 30 years from now)?

[tame whale]

maybe ? idk, i just remember my mom telling me about the weird notation

[grizzled crypt]

from Qing dynasty. it literally has the $\frac{\Xi}{\Xi}$ meme

[fathom swallow]

Seoin

[magic python]

Ooo

I should look at what other scripts do for math actually

[tame whale]

i need to see the chinese remainder theorem in chinese before i die

mandarin*

[dreamy crag]

Weird scenario but I need some opinions. Let’s say that there was a kid who doesn’t know when they were born for reasons that I won’t go into for privacy reasons, but they are somewhere from 13-15 years old. Even though they believe themselves to be 14 years old, they end up lying about their age and get into a relationship with a 17 year old. The two end up staying together for a decent amount of time, but the 17 year old is nearly turned 18, and has started to try to convince the younger person that they are probably 15, and if they were ok with dating a 17 year old at 14, they should be fine with an 18 year old at 15. If you were the younger kid, what would you do?

[tame whale]

did you ask relatives or close people about that

like parents, i personally go to my dad and mom and kinda mix their advice into one, they're very caring and understanding, one is emotional, the other is logical

anyways, try to look it at from an emotional stance and a logical one for a clearer view

[dreamy crag]

Not really an option here tbh

[glossy marlin]

discomfort isn´t an emotion exclusive to the older one, and both should have a say in the matter.

[tame whale]

oh, this is so complex then

i think the age gap is kinda excusable ? yeah idk

[dreamy crag]

Yeah the parents in this situation aren’t great, and relying on them will get the younger one (who I care about) very hurt

[tame whale]

its the lie that changes it

[dreamy crag]

What lie?

[tame whale]

so what do we attack here and what do we consider as problems

[grizzled crypt]

the 17 year old is nearly turned 18, and has started to try to convince the younger person that they are probably 15 this part is pretty weird

[tame whale]

they end up lying about their age

[dreamy crag]

Oh yeah

[tame whale]

did you mean, didnt know an unknowingly gave a false one

[dreamy crag]

No like, said they were older, they started dating, then revealed their age

[devout cliff]

You gotta bounce out as the older one tbh

[dreamy crag]

What?

[devout cliff]

If you’re the older person end the relationship and see where things are at in a few years

[dreamy crag]

I’m not tho

[devout cliff]

Not you specifically

[dreamy crag]

Yeah but I can’t convince them to do that

[tame whale]

omg this is hard

[devout cliff]

Society is what it is and the line is where it’s at, it’s perfectly normal for teenagers to like each other but it’s not worth legal trouble

[tame whale]

ok problem 1 the lie
problem 2 the age gap
problem 3 the sum of those and how to proceed

[tame whale]

yeah

[dreamy crag]

Welp, the younger one blocked the older one, so we’ll see what happened

[glossy marlin]

-# it should be as simple as talking it out but... that´s rarely an option in such situations...

[fickle nova]

Does anyone have tips for improving in physics? (Sorry I know this doesn’t really relate massively to math), like improving physical understanding and intuitions? Plus any good recommendation for books, courses, revision stuff or videos?

[small dust]

just btw, ts is not the type of serious that goes on in serious-discussion

[magic python]

It was originally posted in discussion I believe, I doubt they put in the effort to see anything posted prior to them or channel descriptions

[fickle nova]

Fahhh

[magic python]

For books, probably ask in #book-recommendations

They even say in the channel descriptions "other resources" so maybe also ask about courses and videos

[fickle nova]

Alright, thanks for the info

[sharp yarrow]

No

[latent solstice]

is there a guide for the desmos tips and tricks?

[fossil kiln]

anyone here good witu Ibp twice

integrtaion by oarts twice

[fluid roost]

you do desmos aswell?

[verbal quest]

LittleBigPlanet mention AGAIN
and it wasn't even @mellow pond

[mellow pond]

true,,,

[snow ice]

is the game gud?

[verbal quest]

did you see me tag you the other day with a reddit post about the lbp server guy controversies
is that what you mentioned the other day

[verbal quest]

they're great, but the servers are closed

[mellow pond]

i didn't see, but i figure it's prob what i was mentioning

[snow ice]

oh, I see.

[verbal quest]

he DDOS'ed the real servers back before they closed
then tried to launch his own

[mellow pond]

yyyyep

then didn't even launch that shit

biggest rugpull of the century

[verbal quest]

I think you can still get a disc or if you have a purchased copy of lbp3 and play the non-online content

[snow ice]

I know it was a really good game but I don't got a play station

maybe emulators?

[verbal quest]

lbp1 and 2 on ps3 emulator maybe

oh wait, 3 was on PS3 too

I wonder how people would feel if Sony released a collection of the single player from all 3 games, some minor upgrades to resolution and frames with new online servers, meaning old creations are not accessible

[snow ice]

...maybe...

that sounds nice

[verbal quest]

it's just fantasy
but who knows

[dire geode]

Can anyone teach me some topics? Vectors matrices, construction, circle theorem, got a test tomorrow

[idle steppe]

Just use the DI or tabular method

[cursive ember]

DI method is the goat

[idle steppe]

https://youtu.be/2I-_SV8cwsw?si=Fpw4eeohjZsOJmFt

[fossil kiln]

woah didnt knoe bprp had similar probelms thanks alot mate @idle steppe

appriciet you

[trail lichen]

im really new in integral calculus

so in my mind
we ned few information
the wid of the rectangle, and the height, if we dont know the wid, then we wont know the next information which how many of em

to know the amount, its delta x= (b−a)/n ?

maybe what im asking is the ol' Riemann calculus

[mellow pond]

new math discussy unlocked ig

[true zinc]

#math-discussion

[dreamy crag]

What’s y’all’s opinion on Bobby broccoli

[mellow pond]

i liked his video about ninov, haven't sat down to watch any of his newer stuff

[mint canopy]

I quite like his videos. A very good way to have a couple hours disappear

[mellow pond]

but i did make a comment on one of them that i think he liked/hearted lol

i think i also watched the "the image you can't submit to journals anymore" one

[dreamy crag]

I really like the nortel videos, the ssc trilogy, the ford ones are great but I don’t have nebula so I can’t watch the finale, the cloning ones are good, and the cold fusion trilogy is insanely good

Favorite YouTuber tbh

I think the nortel finally is the best video on YouTube

[mellow pond]

i gotta watch it

[dreamy crag]

Fire

[cunning onyx]

im serious guys

can I join this discussion?

[dreamy crag]

Please do, they’re so well made, and really interesting

(I’m also just really autistic about failed businesses so bleh)

[cunning onyx]

you have autism?

[dreamy crag]

More than there are stars in the sky

I have the Autism of 19 people smushed into one (because there are 19 autistic people in the system)

[cunning onyx]

oh i see!

my sister has level 2!

[mellow pond]

real,,,

[bitter zodiac]

I am preparing for JEE advanced

[restive pecan]

My broccoli?

[dreamy crag]

Do you make really good video essays?

[coarse ether]

samee

[restive pecan]

Perhaps

I don't if we're being serious

[cerulean crypt]

What should be interpreted by opensource?

[verbal quest]

the source code is open to read, ideally easily available

[viral creek]

spotify is down 💔

how am i supposed to work 🥀 🥀

wait wrong discussion

[true zinc]

Youtube

[viral creek]

yeah i realized this after typing that message lol

[agile fiber]

semantically interpreting the words "open source" would just mean that the source code is available, but as it is applied "open source" usually also means that people are allowed to do things with that source code (i.e. modify and redistribute it)

[fallen mango]

wow i never thought of that

i think by making it public they kind of let people modify it and redistribute it because of how code copying is usually enforced which is why they became interwined

[agile fiber]

all software is copyrighted by its authors unless they explicitly make it public domain. so while it's possible for anyone to modify and redistribute source-available code however they want, doing so in a way that violates whatever license (if any) the software is released under would open them up to copyright infringement lawsuits

so anyone who doesn't want to get sued will refrain from that

[shadow palm]

Hello. I am from India. Sometimes I think if i made a mistake choosing pure math over engineering
Being the math smart kid since childhood I was always expected to do JEE route and go to an IIT for engineering
I took a detour in my high school choosing math falling in love with olympiad problem solving

Sometimes I think if i did the right thing choosing a different path in life

[fierce siren]

I am looking for AI Engineer

[verbal quest]

<@&268886789983436800> multiple channels

[glass peak]

This isnt the place to look for someone unfortunately

[fierce siren]

I am looking for AI Engineer

[cerulean sage]

bro

[verbal quest]

they're just spamming, do your thing

[glass peak]

Benifit of the doubt is a bitch sometimes

[dreamy crag]

I guess

[blazing basin]

For what

[vocal vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/i-must-continue-my-experiments-baron-wolf-von-frankenstein-son-of-frankenstein-basil-rathbone-i-have-to-continue-my-experiments-gif-18799525

[blazing basin]

@vocal vessel are you antichrist

[frosty zephyr]

Guys

I wanna ask something

Which is a better option
Apu or ilia state

[dim panther]

if anyone's studying eng in uni can yall dm me,got like a few doubts ngl

[stiff kelp]

Why do people love math?

[foggy python]

because math is amazing

[graceful walrus]

because it's fun

[true zinc]

because maths is nice

[next schooner]

As with anything that has a sufficiently large.... "fanbase"... literally any reason you care to think of. Some people think math is beautiful and elegant. I'm kinda the opposite in some ways, I suppose, insofar as I don't really think there is any "beauty" either in or to mathematics. The reason I love mathematics is because I love solving problems and because mathematics provides a means for solving problems that would simply be beyond intractable without it.

@analog loom this isn't the correct channel. Please check out #book-recommendations though - this is exactly the channel you're after 🙂

[analog loom]

ty

[magic python]

Gotta love how transphobic views are so normalized to the point so many people say them without realizing just how terrible it is.

cough cough TheOneJoke™ cough cough

What? Who said that?

[verbal quest]

should I be self-congratulatory or concerned that I don't know what that is

[magic python]

You've probably heard it, just not the term

But if you truly haven't, self-congratulatory. As you stay out of spaces filled with stupid people who don't understand what the "joke" says. :3

[bronze wedge]

I feel like this is the wrong point to make. Clearly, trans people face more pressing threats than bad jokes. (If anything, they are likely to be evidence of current societal mores - not causal factors.)

[magic python]

I mean I don't like being mocked whenever i try to go online to escape other things, but yes, comparatively it's not an issue, but it does normalize transphobia, which I'd argue is still sort of a big issue.

I do understand how the fact I care about this does make me privileged, but I also prefer not thinking about bigger problems that I literally can't have a say in due to this privilege

[willow herald]

Gn, thanks for being polite!
(Also got the notif)
Now I'ma shutdown for 5h too

[bronze wedge]

My point is that such jokes - which can be demeaning - are evidence of societal mores. They're likely not causal factors in transphobia; but rather reflections of existing transphobia. (Of course, it is conceivable, although statistically unlikely, that someone makes such jokes but is not transphobic.)

[magic python]

Oh yeah, they most certainly aren't the whole of the issue of transphobia being normalized, and they certainly aren't the bulk of it or causing all of it either, it's just annoying seeing people who have no clue what transgender even is and then saying "I identify as an attack helicopter."

The fact the joke has been distanced from its original meaning to the point so many people don't even know it's real meaning, and just think of it as some funny thing that isn't hurtful.

I just think about this because I see it so often due to how it's packaged as a funny joke, and with how it's nature is, I get to actually have a proper opinion on it, unlike many other forms of transphobia I've never seen or been a victim of.

Like yeah, on its own it isn't too bad, but when put on top of everything else, it can be the straw that broke the camels back in some cases

Honestly, that's part of why I care about it that much

Sure, lemon juice squirted on your arm isn't that bad, you could probably laugh it off.

But once you've been stabbed multiple times, cuts all over, that lemon juice suddenly starts stinging like a bitch.

And, if it gets put in your eyes, even without other scars, it hurts. Just like how if you hit someone with it while vulnerable, it may be far worse than someone who still has hope.

Just because normally it isn't the worst, doesn't mean it can't be the thing that finally breaks them.

When you've already been broken, been beaten down time and time again, even the seemingly little things can set you off.

[dreamy crag]

very good analogy :3 ima steal it

[magic python]

(One can also just be sensitive without all the verbal and other forms of abuse, things can just happen as well)

[verbal quest]

tough neighborhood, Car
they could use those knives and lemons to make lemonade

[magic python]

The knives were unfortunately from others and promptly taken out of the flesh. If only we got to keep em.

[manic ledge]

it makes money

[turbid ocean]

Hmm

[bronze pelican]

[manic ledge]

obviously not just doing maths make money but other things too with that

[devout cliff]

I’m more so just skeptical that socialism is a viable economic theory given how it’s a rare and fringe view among economists, it’s mainly those outside of economics who favor the position based on other political principles not economic principles

[umbral ocean]

Economists aren't really a solid anchor for economic arguments. Most economists have been spectacularly wrong about predictions.

If economists were actually correct, countries worldwide would have awesome financial policies and there would be no poverty.

[analog loom]

i think you are confusing politics with economics

[umbral ocean]

Trust is a weird word. I mean economic theory in general is based on the rationality of humans. That is what Marketing often has completely opposite answers to economics.

[umbral ocean]

Nope. Most economic models are wildly inaccurate in real life, or completely inapplicable.

Like have you ever seen anyone actually model a demand curve for pricing? Or do they just survey the humans buying the product?

Sorry, if I sound emotional. I spent two years of Bschool trying to use at least one single mathematically rigorous economic theory in application. Never worked.

[hidden bough]

Is roughly this kind of thing not exactly what Jane Street et al pays quants a million billion dollars for

[blazing pawn]

My understanding is that not that much high level microeconomic theory shows up in this sort of HFT at quant firms

Like its just not really feasible to "compute the demand curve" well enough and fast enough to beat the market

i think the theory underlying quant stuff tends to be more like, trying to extract information from enormous amounts of data and act on it quickly

[umbral ocean]

That's for Financial Computations. Mostly C++ code, running very very fast and data driven optimization. They aren't usually limited by what the economists think is right.

Think of Birkin bags for example. Every theory of economics says that it shouldn't be possible to price things absurdly and have people buy it.

[bitter jackal]

@all can anyone help with my math research project

[umbral ocean]

Yeah, but it rarely makes it to practice.

For example, there was a nobel prize (in econ) winning research on why the current voting systems of the majority are completely undemocratic. No country has adopted the scoring based voting system that economists agree is the best way to gain representation.

That's just putting things to the exception and calling it covered. Veblen goods just defy normal demand curves. That's their definition.

I think it was in the 1970s.

Arrow's Impossibility Theorem (1972 Nobel): Kenneth Arrow demonstrated that no voting system can convert ranked preferences of individuals into a community-wide, ranked set of choices while simultaneously meeting a specific set of reasonable fairness criteria (such as non-dictatorship, Pareto efficiency, and independence of irrelevant alternatives).

Mechanism Design Theory (2007 Nobel): Eric Maskin, along with Leonid Hurwicz and Roger Myerson, laid the foundation for designing systems (mechanisms) that achieve desirable social goals, even when individuals act selfishly.Ranked Choice Voting: Maskin has advocated for Ranked Choice Voting (or instant-runoff voting) as a fairer system that better reflects voter intent and prevents the election of extremist candidates compared to "first-past-the-post" systems.

[hidden bough]

Social choice theory is certainly econ lol

[umbral ocean]

Economics needs its fundamental assumptions questioned, I feel.

As a science, its axioms don't seem like they hold.

For example, capitalism as a concept assumes a fair and free market so that the prices aren't inflated beyond reason, squeezing the consumer. Can anyone see a fair and free market with no collusion?

Anywhere?

So, who gives a crap if capitalism survives more intellectual tests? It is built on nonsensical foundations.

But you can't rely on assumptions that don't just diverge, but completely contradict reality.

We can't just categorize policies as socialist or capitalist. There needs to be a deeper analysis of what the country needs.

My issue is that people propose political policies and structure debate around those inaccurate models, rather than accepting them as models.

Adam Smith and Karl Marx have become political gospels when they were meant to be models.

As long as we all agree that things are more complex than what can be discussed with simple economic models lol

[umbral ocean]

This one is interesting. One US city implemented this for a Mayoral election with ~30 candidates. Everyone wanted the last single percentage of favour, so everyone acted super nice.

The candidates literally came together and sang Kumbaya 😭😭😭

Imagine, Biden and Trump singing Kumbaya instead of slinging mud at each other? That's what we can do if we actually listened to economists 😭😭😭