serious-discussion

[halcyon aurora]

that's very unfortunate. Maybe you can take it again?

[teal lion]

i am very cynical about the un and have very little trust in its political prescriptions

at least independent groups have some local accountability

[slate turret]

How do you imagine that plays out? When do you decide that someone has become a dictator of a country?

[unique mesa]

The way I see, the two party system is integral to why the US turned out to be like this. Something more like a parliamentary system would have been so much better.

[magic python]

Can I still use that Declaration to prove my claim of rights being stripped or do I need a "better" list of rights

[teal lion]

the two party system is not codified into law, whereas a parliamentary system is

[magic python]

Because that one is easy

[unique mesa]

why do you need a list of rights

[untold charm]

tbh same even when they do make statments its usally very late but atleast it does help the publicity of and legetimancythat certain issues exsist
i mean not to get into a certain topic but a few years a back it was very hard todebate about that said topic even when there waas many local sources ppl just only bbelived western socurces and anything non westrn is wrong somehow..

[halcyon aurora]

I don't imagine it, I believe it.

And I would say it'll quack when it quacks. My perception of the next 10 years is like, a huge great powers divide.

[teal lion]

semper aude!

[magic python]

So I can confirm my major minority gets stripped of a few in big countries

[halcyon aurora]

but of course that's future telling, idk

[teal lion]

not as an answer, but to add things in

[magic python]

They are called rights so like, it works

[unique mesa]

it is the result of what is codified

[untold charm]

if u want to make a point u collect evidence and certain poitns to support ur main point!

[heavy pagoda]

vance is lowkey going to win

[halcyon aurora]

I would define permanence as major obstruction within the country to the authority of a dictator stopping, however. For instance, no challenging institutions, centralized government, etc. Right now the USA is a democracy

[unique mesa]

rights are just useful fiction. and the best rights are the most fundamental. You don't need a list of 20 rights.

[magic python]

Too many uninformed people claim our rights don't get taken, I like having a comeback :3

[heavy pagoda]

what is a human right

[untold charm]

-# i almsot sentthat one gif of vance head meme but then remebered this is #serious-discussion

[teal lion]

vance is a talented rhetor, but i think trump will be an albatross around his neck

[magic python]

The right to uh uh not being murdered

[heavy pagoda]

tucker is the only person other than trump that has like a comparable level of charisma

[untold charm]

uh the right to have basi cphysological needs and safety

[halcyon aurora]

... Carlson?

[teal lion]

this is wrong

[steel sierra]

Uh.. there's this dumb system where you have two big tests, and 8 lesser tests. You have to pass at least 6 tests out of 8 of the lessers.

If I failed today's lesser test, I have no option to pass

[unique mesa]

the most important right is individual sovereignty. and that'll cover enough.

[heavy pagoda]

or at least he used to

[steel sierra]

Only option would be taking the finals, 3 attempt but fuck it! I don't like finals.

[halcyon aurora]

You failed 3 of the lessers then

[magic python]

These uninformed people probably don't know about the abuse we get basically everywhere though so maybe it will help weed out transphobes into blatantly saying it, making moderation easy

[steel sierra]

I don't know. It depends on whether I failed today or not.

[teal lion]

tucker thinks trump is the antichrist (literally, not figuratively) and talks about how amazing putin is and how the jews run everything

he’s been delving into schizo territory for a little while now

[steel sierra]

If I failed, it doesn't matter anymore. Because I already failed two.

[heavy pagoda]

tucker tried to 'me-too' a demon

or something like that

[halcyon aurora]

I probably can't determine that here. I would think positive future, and not negative on what could have been, if you failed.

[slate turret]

Russia and North Korea are a democracy too! Putin and Kim Jung Un just happen to win the election each time! 😊

[unique mesa]

libertarianism is mostly impractical in the real world. but they do get a lot of things right when it comes to how rights should be defined

[heavy pagoda]

i mean this is a vague example of a right

[steel sierra]

Yeah I guess so but like man, I don't want to study...

[halcyon aurora]

I'm not sure there are institutiona that counterbalance Putin though, for instance. Actually idk Russian politics but like that's my impression

[heavy pagoda]

in china there are definitely institutions that counterbalance xi jinping

[tight pier]

Social studies going on maths server

[halcyon aurora]

Like autocrat = power transfer only at death imo

[heavy pagoda]

like he definitely has a lot of people on his back about various things

[halcyon aurora]

Even a benevolant autocrat has that property

[vast wraith]

“having elections” is not a sufficient criteria for qualifying as a democracy

[heavy pagoda]

this isnt really the case in russia

[steel sierra]

I don't like the idea of fucking finals.

Topics: series, induction and sum, divisibility, congruency, combinatory, graphs

[teal lion]

“election” in north korea simply means “census”

[slate turret]

I was being sarcastic...

[halcyon aurora]

ok fair I know

[teal lion]

there is only one option and if you don’t pick it you die

[heavy pagoda]

the point is a lot of people disagree not on whether humans should have some rights, but what precisely these should be

[halcyon aurora]

I'm just dead serious that there's a USA autocratic government in the works, I think it's when not if

[unborn trellis]

I think it'd be hard finding people who disagree with this

[unique mesa]

the US does have pretty good institutions for maintaining a liberal democracy. the fact that it still got to this point points out a lot of what is inherent in the actions of people. people just succumb to power. so there should not be such powerful figures in the first place for this to be even possible.

ideally there shouldn't be a head of state

a leader figure or the top dog

[unborn trellis]

idk if I'd say the current state of government represents "succumbing to power"

Most of the worst actors were pretty transparent with their intentions lol

[unique mesa]

liquid democracy is interesting

the idea that the people should have the power to dissolve the government whenever

[halcyon aurora]

in my country, it is not hard to find disagreents about this

[unique mesa]

that everyone should basically be able to participate in the parliament

that of course would not work, so people should have the ability to delegate their powers to someone else

and that delegation should be retractable whenever

[unique mesa]

well that doesn't change much

[halcyon aurora]

I also disagree, but this may be an uncomfy convo

Ultimately the USA system is very federal, unlike many democracies, so once people get in power, they have to do something illegal to leave (and be impeached, at least federally, then convicted)

So there's nothing preventing the current President, say, from going forward in his role for the term

by the end of 2028 things could look very different

[unique mesa]

is that because interfering with state politics would be an overreach in the US?

[teal lion]

power attracts the corruptible

[merry pasture]

Hi guys. Sorry to change the topic but I’ll be starting uni soon. Any textbook reccomendations or courses on YouTube to complete during the summer? I know most first year uni content already. But wanted to know if u guys have any tips. If ur in uni or done with it

[unborn trellis]

wdym

[magic python]

For books ask in #book-recommendations

I believe the channel description says "or other resources" so you might get videos too

[unborn trellis]

I suppose they do lie literally constantly, but they're not lying to deceive, it's dogwhistles

[merry pasture]

Oh Ty mb. I’m new tho that should’ve been obvious to me

[unborn trellis]

Everyone against them knows they're lying, everyone who is with them doesnt care

[magic python]

It's fine, book recommendations isn't really as out and open as some other channels people often miss

[slate turret]

Be a week ahead of time and people will think you're a genius

[merry pasture]

Yeah good point. It’s rly annoying tho how unis don’t put their curriculum on the internet tho. Like I could’ve learnt ahead so much earlier

[verbal quest]

except many do

[slate turret]

Are you talking about your specific uni? I've found a lot of course material on the internet on subjects that are not in my major for when I want to study smth

[azure silo]

If the interior angles of a triangle ABC satisfy the equality,
sin2 A + sin2 B + sin2 C = 2(cos2 A + cos2 B + cos2 C),
prove that the triangle must have a right angle. Where do i ask such doubts?

[slate turret]

#math-discussion

[azure silo]

Ok

[slate turret]

Or #geometry-and-trigonometry

[halcyon aurora]

I don't tbink that's directly related, it's more just how we operate. In a lot of democracies "snap elections" are a thing and parliaments can dissolve. In the USA the Congress for instance never just dissolves, it just has occasional recesses for like holidays and things. In some ways, the federal Congress has some duties to continue to meet that other democracies don't precisely have. If you had other questions just PM me I guess.

There's also resignations, but they are rare.

[solid gull]

are all of u guys in like uni

[dreamy crag]

literaly just disabling my ability to see kudos and hits (likes and views for ao3) has masivly improved my mental health, would recomened on any website you post conent on

[dreamy crag]

not being able to compair myself to others is so nice

[undone orchid]

i've seen it ruin people

if you're comparing yourself to better people then you will always have imposter syndrome

if you treat others better than how you treat yourself then you will end up killing yourself

its okay to forgive yourself

[frail solstice]

woah, thats subjective. for example, if you treat yourself like shi but treat others ok, you would feel sad because yuo are treating yourself bad. but if you give others a bit more than you, its not necesarily

i think

i may be wrong

i understand, also treat yourself how you treat others, that's a good middle ground

[proven depot]

Does anyone have advice for someone considering pivoting into a pure math major from computer science? Any practical ways to assess whether it's a good path for me with a currently limited perspective?

[near hamlet]

im also interested in this. im considering switching to a math major as someone who is heavily invested into computer science. I think i could self teach myself more comp sci stuff. At the same time i think math is hard though

[proven depot]

I'm sure just hitting the textbooks is usually the right answer, mostly curious if anyone else has done this and what the results were.

[azure ruin]

I suggest assessing the job opportunities first

[arctic heron]

Hey everyone I want to learn geometry from basic to advanced but I can't find youtube videos/lectures on it...

[surreal sapphire]

getting a "CS job" will not be so hard with a math degree if you take a few CS classes and learn programming

personally i did a CS phd with a masters in math so 🤷

also @near hamlet i guess

though obviously if all you want to do is computer science, getting a math degree is probably not worth it; however, its probably the only opportunity to learn mathematics, so if you want to do that, i'd say go for it

[hexed vapor]

Hello everyone

[hexed vapor]

Whoah, that’s awesome! If i may know, what are the prospects you can look at once you have completed these courses? Im yet to join college, but I’m curious about this

[surreal sapphire]

i mean a university degree doesnt teach you so much that is really important for a job and math majors specifically are valuable to the job market because they can quickly and independently learn new stuff

obviously you will be competing against CS majors but if you take classes in algorithms and learn programming its fine in my experience

lots of CS jobs are also built around random certs which you mostly have to get on the job anyway

[hexed vapor]

Ohh, i see

[hexed vapor]

I see I see.. im not particularly a genius in maths, per say, and its a common perception of many at my place that you need to be “gifted” to even survive a math major.. since you seem to have quite a lot of experience, id like to know how true that perception is

[latent edge]

[surreal sapphire]

dunno, thousands of people complete a math major every year, hard to believe they are all particularly gifted

though at least where i studied the drop rate was 50%+

[fallen mango]

hundreds of thousands

[surreal sapphire]

source?

[fallen mango]

In the 2021-2022 school year, approximately 50,646 degrees in Mathematics and Statistics were awarded in the United States.

[surreal sapphire]

that's not a source...

and a much smaller number than hundreds of thousands

[fallen mango]

Source: U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics (IPEDS/Digest of Education Statistics).

[fallen mango]

america is less than half the world, you can infer there is at least 100k

[surreal sapphire]

cant find the data

it lists mathematics and natural sciences together

ok i found it

its 27,092 bachelor degrees actually

[fallen mango]

my bad its 27000

[surreal sapphire]

so yeah, i think talking of hundreds of thousands is a bit of a jump; however, it doesnt really matter, plenty of people get degrees in mathematics, i dont think everyone of them is particularly gifted

[fallen mango]

why not

[surreal sapphire]

well, i also met math majors and taught them for years

[fallen mango]

your a teacher?

[surreal sapphire]

i ran tutorials for math and CS majors for years as a TA while i was a student

[hexed vapor]

Hmm, yeah

[hexed vapor]

Oof

[fallen mango]

thats nice

[surreal sapphire]

its certainly a lot of work

[fallen mango]

i wouldnt know

[hexed vapor]

It sure must be,
Thank you for the info!

[devout cliff]

You have to be willing to work hard and just be of average to slightly above average intelligence not gifted. A math major isn’t for everyone but at most colleges if you do your best, read the book and do the homework, study and go to office hours you’ll probably be able to pass the class. Worst case scenario you retake the class and get it your second time around

[shadow palm]

Why am I even doing this math degree
Prof gives bunch of questions before midsem/endsem
Copies paper from there . Questions are such if you have studied their solutions you nail exam wlaw you can't
Wtf is this rot memorisation
I have not learnt anything properly barring stuff I self studied

[rotund atlas]

I was playing around with complex numbers and Cartesian planes, then I came across 4D spaces on my own, then I realised even infinite dimensional spaces exist. I did some research and found out a function is an example of an infinite dimensional space. But how come, a function gives a value of x once at a time, but for a coordinate the values need to be simultaneously existent

[storm sage]

The function itself is the collection of all its values

[rotund atlas]

yes, I figured, thanks

I was thinking of a function as a sequence, but then found out that a function itself is a set

[ionic wraith]

Lmfao this country is fucking cooked

[cunning adder]

IMPOSSIBLE CHALLENGE: my dad stops shaming every aspect of my body im already dysphoric about for things i cant control for 1 second

[ionic wraith]

Courts: “yeah the racist thugs in the South can basically draw up the maps in a racially-biased manner so there’s no Democrat representatives in the state”

Also courts: “erm Democrats you can’t engage in what the Republicans are currently doing”

[ionic wraith]

Ur dad sucks

[cunning adder]

yay for democracy amirite??

[cunning adder]

my family in general kinda sucks

now he's constantly shaming me about my body odour

like goddamn i douse myself in perfume and shower everyday and also im a hormonal teenager and also we live in the devils armpits of hot countries what fucking more do you want me to DO

[ionic wraith]

[ionic wraith]

“Why doesn’t my daughter (not the word he would use) visit me anymore? “ - ur dad in twenty years

[cunning adder]

cheering for them and hoping all is safe

[cunning adder]

hehe he wont ever know ill be his daughter bc ill cut my family off as soon as i possibly can

[ionic wraith]

AS YOU SHOULD GET INTO THOSE WESTERN EUROPEAN UNIVERSITIES AND BECOME GONE FOR GOOD

[cunning adder]

YEEAHHHHHH

[ionic wraith]

LIVE THE QUEER LIFE YOU HAVE ALWAYS WANTED

[rapid valve]

Hope they get rewarded with the flotilla breaching the blockade and all nationstates suddenly disappearing away into satan hell

[cunning adder]

[true zinc]

I'm too fucking scared to, like the world is of a state rn that I feel unsafe not repressing my dysphoria to the point where I feel actively disgusted in the concept of being trans in the first place, like I feel I have to be disgusted or feel awful about it

sorry I know that's worded shittily

[cunning adder]

🫂 the world is rlly shitty, im sorry you feel that way

hab big virtual hug from internet fren 🫂
-# sorry i dont really know what else to say in these situations

[true zinc]

I mean there's the whole very bad levels of internalized transphobia and homophobia, then the actual homophobia and transphobia from family, then me utterly crashing out and panicking about HRT like last week (idk wtf causes me to be so terrified of it), and then just the state of the world....

[cunning adder]

i feel u with being scared of hrt 🫂 like ‘what if i cant get access to it at all’ ‘what if i stop being able to get it somehow’ ‘what if it fucks up my body too much’ ‘what if it does nothing at all’
im probably being so irrational but i love overthinking

[true zinc]

For me it's a lot of the 3rd one and also the whole permanent changes thing but ig that's due to knowing that at some point I will lose most of my family

[cunning adder]

hmm 🫂 ig im kinda luckier in the part that i wont feel shit about abandoning my whole childhood life when i move out

[torpid kraken]

guys how do I know which channel to sue based on the problem

[cunning adder]

you can use any avaliable help channels, see #❓how-to-get-help

[torpid kraken]

oh haha, should have read the instructions. thx

[cunning adder]

no probss

[ionic wraith]

[cunning adder]

ive prolly never travelled outside of a megaregion either 😔

[dreamy crag]

This is kinda usual for big countries afaik. Most of their infrastructure is funneled into only a few spots and the rest is left to decay

[devout cliff]

Very comfy

[vast wraith]

so where will you be going?

[ionic wraith]

Idk

[vast wraith]

[ionic wraith]

The age of rural settlements of small population honestly is not compatible with a modern industrialized globalized world

It’s way too much wealth and resources to direct transit, energy, telecommunications, et cetera to every small ass town

It was possible in a world where you could park somewhere and farm the land with lil issues

[rapid valve]

Megalodon mentioned

[ionic wraith]

Also ngl rural areas are such hotbeds for child abuse and domestic violence. Because there’s so lil people there’s little understanding of what a kid is experiencing who thinks it’s normal.

Children need a bunch of adults in their life and shouldn’t be the fucking property of their parents.

[devout cliff]

I think the opposite is true, industrialization and our transition to a service based economy both lead to expansion of urbanization in America. But as we transition into remote work, if AI impacts white collar work to a significant degree there’s very little incentive to draw people into cities. If the economic opportunities aren’t confined to physical proximity to companies, cities are highly expensive and inefficient. The economic forces will be the opposite and shift back to incentivizing de urbanization imo

[glass peak]

I dont see that being the case at all. People like cities because thats where people are, thats where art and music and things are.

[devout cliff]

That will be a luxury, not driven by the fundamental economic balance. For those who can afford that luxury, sure

Realistically who can afford to live in New York City or Los Angeles if the economic opportunities become decentered from physical proximity to these areas

[glass peak]

The COL wouldnt just stay where it is if suddenly every business there just magically disapeared, but that just isnt going to happen

[devout cliff]

We will see, cities across the country already have issues after Covid where corporate buildings are sitting vacant and empty. Maintaining physical office locations is expensive the trend will be to minimize this expense going forward. Especially as we compete in intellectual work with developing countries, automation and AI impacting employment I really don’t see a return to the 1950s

Plus top talent already wants remote work, the only incentive for physical location is a place to put your top talent

[surreal sapphire]

i would prefer not living in a city, access to nature is its own perk which i vastly prefer over anything a city can offer

[surreal sapphire]

well, we adopted the rule that there are only offices for 40-80% of the workforce which works kinda with remote work regulations, but working fully remote seems unrealistic, 20% of our work has to be done on site

so i see downsizing but not abandonment

[heavy pagoda]

i dont like cities because there are too many people

[glass peak]

I love cities because I love actually having things to do

[heavy pagoda]

i think like

large-medium sized town is the best

where you live in the suburbs but not too far out

[glass peak]

I think a lot of people, especially Americans, just have a warped idea of what a city is due to horrific urban planning

[barren anchor]

derogatory

dare call me warp

[devout cliff]

Yeah I agree I don’t think there will be an abandonment either, but i dont see the trend reversing which will continue to make urban life economically unfeasible for many

[surreal sapphire]

also surprising amount of people want to come in every day (i think it creates a better separation of work and life), and personally i think its important to see the people you work with and socially interact with them at least occasionally

[barren anchor]

I imagine my ideal habitat migrating like a piece of the crust floating over a moat in the molten core, it wanders the earth as I age

[devout cliff]

Many will be able to afford that luxury, but it will become a luxury

[barren anchor]

figure by the time I'm 90 I'll just be alone on a mountain and never say a word yet experience utter bliss from internal mechanics

anyyyways american cities are great, I dunno what cities are catchign strays but north east coast cities are just generally lit IME

[glass peak]

Why would it be? by your logic theres no reason to live in a city, so theres no demand and prices will fall. Your argument seems quite contradictory to me

[barren anchor]

west coast ones are sort of fucked up; like san fran is kinda sterile vibe and LA is a shitshow

[devout cliff]

There’s demand for many aspects of urban life and there still will be some level increased salaries tied to physical location or choice of those who have high paying jobs to live in cities. But average people will continue to be priced out more than they already have

[barren anchor]

you've been caught in an ouroboros bro

just own it

[heavy pagoda]

los angeles is okay if you dont actually live in the los angeles part

[glass peak]

Mostly due to a prioritisation of cars, lack of green spaces and any mixed use areas. Places like new york are pretty good because public transport works, but a lot of american cities are basically car parks, especially out west like you say (Ive never been to LA, but from what ive seen it looks like hell on earth)

[devout cliff]

It’s the decay of an already existing system

[heavy pagoda]

like if you live in like the less urban parts its actually extremely nice i think

[drowsy meadow]

can i attach files here?

[heavy pagoda]

san francisco is awful

[drowsy meadow]

i wanted to post a tweet by trump

[heavy pagoda]

genuinely unrelentingly depressing

[devout cliff]

My only point was I see a fundamental unwinding of the forces that initially lead to the levels of urbanization we see which is true

[drowsy meadow]

umm. what do you think of https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/116539593510480846

[barren anchor]

yeah most cool american cities specifically don't prioritize cars, much like in europe

[heavy pagoda]

new york is kind of awful in my opinion because there are like a small number of very nice parts but like you cant go too far out of them before it gets bad

[barren anchor]

like NYC, Philly and D.C. are all completely publicable

[heavy pagoda]

also the subway is quite hellish

[barren anchor]

Seattle is actually great. and SF I hear good things but usually rent a car when I'm there so iunno

[devout cliff]

Probably a nothing burger but we will see what they release. If they are releasing info it’s only to screw with us in some way

[barren anchor]

I haven't experienced this and I've had occassions out in the bronx and way deep into queens

[blazing pawn]

I think this is just not true

[devout cliff]

Agree to disagree chief, I wouldn’t feel comfortable sending my wife or kids on public transportation in those cities

[blazing pawn]

I mean obviously it is subjective so maybe you have really specific criteria for being nice

[barren anchor]

yeah I mean if your wife can't ride a bus without freaking out I guess

"unusable"

[heavy pagoda]

well it also probably depends on the specific cases you have in mind

[glass peak]

Why

[barren anchor]

it just depends on how hysterical your wife is

[blazing pawn]

Ok i mean i grew up in nyc and 95%+ of children are completely comfortable riding the subway alone by the time they are like 12 at the latest

[devout cliff]

But people have different preferences, if people like cities more power to you. It tends to be people from cities who talk down on everywhere else

[barren anchor]

if they can't handle an occassionnal mentally ill homeless person being within 10 feet, that's really more a them issue, because there just isn't much evidence that there's any significant danger there

[devout cliff]

[barren anchor]

your risk of being in a traffic accident, however, is way lower if you're on a bus. And if you're on a train, I mean

[glass peak]

Please do elaborate on why you think this, also on the wording about sending your wife places

[barren anchor]

good luck finding a way to get harmed

[blazing pawn]

Yeah unironically I think the risk of being in a traffic accident is probably statistically higher than getting assaulted on the subway

[devout cliff]

What’s really to elaborate on? That’s not the type of environment I’d want to raise a family in. Some people are fine with it, that’s also cool

[blazing pawn]

Ok yeah some cursory googling makes it clear this is simply true

[glass peak]

I just wonder why you have such an object to transport in those cities, and also around the wording of sending your wife places. Thats quite a jump from I just wouldnt want to raise a family there

[blazing pawn]

Actually its true by an insane margin

[devout cliff]

That’s what I meant by it, that I would be worried anytime my family was going somewhere when I wasn’t with them, which I think is just common sense

@glass peak

[heavy pagoda]

lots of people would rather get hit by a car than get assaulted on the subway though

like being in a car crash is like somehow a less scary concept than being shot or stabbed or set on fire or whatever

[devout cliff]

We can disagree on the pros vs cons of urban life

[blazing pawn]

Most assaults are not getting shot, stabbed, or set on fire

[glass peak]

A lot of this just reminds me about that fact that like 80% of Londoners say they think London is a safe city, compared to about 20% of people who live elsewhere in the UK

[glass peak]

We can, I just think your wording is rather suspect

[blazing pawn]

Like i would also prefer a minor car crash to getting shot but conversely I would prefer to get punched in the face by a stranger than having my spine shattered

[barren anchor]

yeah I'd trade a 10,000% increase of simple robbery over a 100% increased chance of a car crash.

oh no, I lost... oh right I carry no cash

[heavy pagoda]

my point is that there's something psychological about being at the mercy of another human in a confined space that is more threatening than like being injured in a car accident

[blazing pawn]

if you drive in nyc you are statistically just way way way more likely to get injured in a car crash than you are to be assaulted on a subway, any kind of assault

[barren anchor]

man I feel way different

[devout cliff]

So far we’ve had people arguing that your wife or kids encountering mentally ill homeless people or crackheads on the subway is fine and a you problem to be uncomfortable with, that only some people get beat, stabbed or lit on fire on public transportation but that’s just a small subset of attacks

[barren anchor]

the fear and anger I feel when a driver is tailgating me dangerously is like

[blazing pawn]

It literally is a small portion of attacks? Just like breaking your spine is a small proportion of car accidents?

[barren anchor]

I would say it's psychologically problematic for me. Once I considered chasing somebody

then I recalled what I had read about road rage and was like "that's not for me, gotta just let it go"

but it was some real shit. Vehicular errors are a leading cause of actual, real world, getting beaten the fuck up

[eager ledge]

I’ve seen homeless people in London carrying payment terminals. Not carrying cash need not remain protection for much longer.

[blazing pawn]

Like isnt a basic part of existing in the world accepting the possibility of bizarre extreme random accidents happening to you and not planning your entire life around avoiding them?

I dont want a tree to fall on top of me outside but I still leave my home

[devout cliff]

That’s fine I’m not against urban life, it’s just not desirable to me

Not a crazy take at all, I would prefer to live elsewhere

[glass peak]

This is just a somewhat insane thing to think about taking the bus

[heavy pagoda]

its not terribly insane i think

at least when there are pretty well publicised stories of various attacks on buses

[barren anchor]

nice, about time highwaymen adapted

[glass peak]

How many people die in car crashes every year?

[blazing pawn]

You can live wherever you want, obviously, I just think its a bit bizarre to conceptualize public transportation as being insanely violently dangerous when basic statistical evidence indicates that other modes of transportation are objectively much more so

[heavy pagoda]

like even if the odds are low, the fact it in principle can happen and has happened and that theres basically nothing you can do to mitigate it is enough to be unsettling for a lot of people

[barren anchor]

p sure tho my bank would just be like that's fine we cancelled the transfer, so unless they withdrew it from the account they dumped it to immediately, there's still a digital remediation

[heavy pagoda]

same kind of phenomenon as terrorism

[glass peak]

I think I would seek therapy if I was so scared of other people I couldnt take a bus

[barren anchor]

who even cares? for real

[devout cliff]

I’ve also just been in many cities traveling for work and public transportation, you have to have your wits about you and pay attention to your surroundings. You can’t be naive about the reality of where you are

[glass peak]

Like thats just fundamentally not normal

[barren anchor]

why not be scared of meteors? or any dog you see. You're more likely to get dog attacked

[devout cliff]

It’s irrational to be in these areas and not think this way

[barren anchor]

I view it as fine if I get beaten up or robbed, as I just paid the expense that most people benefit from every day by simply not having to think about it just as I didn't have to because it was so unlikely. And hey I didn't die in a car crash, the #1 way young adults die, so I get to try again the next day as a still-alive person.

[vivid halo]

the only people who seem to make a lot of noise about "crackheads and murderers on the NYC subway" are never the people who actually live in NYC and take the subway, curious...

[blazing pawn]

Like sure but do you understand why if someone said they were moving to Cameroon because terrorism had made the US too unsafe it would be somewhat confusing

[barren anchor]

I would prescribe city bus-riding therapy to hysterical suburban housewives

[devout cliff]

The Governor just had to deploy the national guard to the subways due to crime and attacks, in the 80s and 90s the nyc subways were some of the most dangerous places on the planet for a time

[barren anchor]

this is literally all just exposure, it's similar to racism

like if you actually have experiences related to public transit, the irrational fears go away

[eager ledge]

Don’t worry, in this brave new connected World 3.0 we’re making, we’ll break all banks and replace them with smart, anonymous, irreversible contracts on the blockchain anyway.

[blazing pawn]

Ok firstly the 2nd half of this statement is objectively ridiculous and you know that right?

Like this is hyperbolic to the point of absurdity

[vivid halo]

(guy who is obviously mentally ill) I am scared of the mentally ill on the subway

[glass peak]

Even if it were true (which it isnt) its like 30-40 years ago lol

[barren anchor]

the most dangerous places on the planet is like, a trench in normandy in ww2, and that's it.

then like at 1/1000000th as dangerous comes roofers, wherever roofers are.

[devout cliff]

I’m not saying the subways are unusable, just pointing to NYC subways as an example of safe transit systems is

[devout cliff]

https://youtu.be/t-7JySTcnp0

[blazing pawn]

And secondly the governer deploying the city guard on the subway is not evidence that subways are dangerous relative to driving, its evidence that public perception is that subways are dangerous

[glass peak]

Like 30-40 years ago Glasgow was the murder capital of Europe, genuinely huge knife crime problem. These days its completel and utterly fine

[barren anchor]

"knife crime" sounds awesome

[glass peak]

Not to mention most of that knife crime was between people already living there etc, the average person walking down a normal street was fine

[blazing pawn]

Well not even public perception its evidence that the governer thinks people think subways are dangerous

[vivid halo]

the most dangerous thing about Glasgow these days is hearing the accent

[glass peak]

Wow now

Whats with the hate

[vivid halo]

or the drugs but you know

[blazing pawn]

Bro...

[true zinc]

For cars, as I was telling deltoid earlier today, I've been in 4 car accidents in the last year alone, I am frankly more scared of cars than I am of being assaulted on the subway

But I wonder if that has anything to do with my history and my brain now feeling like "just being assaulted" isn't "that bad"

[glass peak]

Pissing myself laughing lmaooooo

[barren anchor]

stay away from drugs and cars fr

[vivid halo]

4 in a year is insane wtf

[devout cliff]

I was being hyperbolic but there was a crime wave and epidemic in the NYC subways due system in the 80s

I don’t even care about NYC subways, someone just used them as an example of safe public transportation which was a terrible example, my only point

[barren anchor]

epidemic of what? are you confusing HIV with crime?

[vivid halo]

cars are certainly very dangerous but people tend to forget this and overestimate how dangerous other forms of transportation are

[devout cliff]

Are you not familiar with NYC history at all?

[blazing pawn]

I am aware that nyc crime rates were much higher in the 1980s than they are now

[vivid halo]

like many people are more scared of flying than driving a car which is genuinely ridiculous

[barren anchor]

super familiar actually just joking around

[true zinc]

One was my fault, the second was in the rental car the week after when my mum decided to run the car off the highway and into the high speed truck runoff shoulder thing and then into a gravel patch, another was on black ice during a storm in december, another was a near wreck on a well known state route near DC on the way to my uni due to shitty drivers accelerating as I was merging into a lane and honking at me as if they wanted to hit me

[barren anchor]

cause at the same time HIV was a big deal and similarly was something hysterical housewives cared most about

[true zinc]

I am terrified of flying, but that's probably due to how sensationalized plane crashes are

[barren anchor]

it's a parallel. I'm like understanding you as we go along, casting you into this archetype you are illustrating of yourself

[blazing pawn]

But that doesnt mean that subways are particularly dangerous relative to other modes of transportation

[barren anchor]

I have placed you in space and time. You are a new jersey housewife in 1983.

[true zinc]

also scared of sex due to trauma but also just an irrationally bad fear I'll get an STI, like yes it can happen but it's genuienly a way bigger fear in my head than the actual risk, esp with proper testing and prevention

[blazing pawn]

Like it is just not true that nyc subways are dangerous relative to driving today. the evidence is not in favor

[devout cliff]

I never made the claim that they were, I never made that comparison

[barren anchor]

yeah it's 2026 now that's their major issue

they have a lot of points which seem to be like, based on pretty dated references

[vivid halo]

also pro tip about riding public transportation with the mentally ill: you are 100x more likely to have a bad time if you are afraid for some reason and end up STARING AT THEM

if you are a normal person and just mind your own business you will be fine

[true zinc]

I hate when people even dare look at me on the subway

[devout cliff]

Yeah that’s the sort of situational awareness I was speaking of that’s necessary in cities

[rapid valve]

people are so dumb for trusting instinct that has been encoded in their brain for millions of years rather than pure reason and mzthematics🤓

[true zinc]

I will utterly and completely crash the fuck out and have a meltdown if someone stares at me on public transit or in most cases in public :3

[barren anchor]

bro you're 100x more likely to have a bad time standing in line at starbucks if you're staring at the person in front of you

just be chill don't focus your attention on people who you don't know

[devout cliff]

This is pretty far removed from the initial point about economics which is all I actually care about

[dusk rune]

if you sleep and dream are you in the dream or is the dream inside of you

[devout cliff]

Some people like cities, some don’t that’s how preferences work

[barren anchor]

I think your initial point is like you don't realize that public transit is very safe in most major cities including the one you focused on

[rapid valve]

Without asking permission, mfs

[barren anchor]

might be the case that you also don't realize how dangerous cars are, and imo that's worth getting educated about

[blazing pawn]

This conversation seems pretty pointless if theres no relative baseline for what an acceptable level of safety is. You need to leave the house and get around somehow. You can do that however you want. But its just objectively not true that public transit is a dangerous way to do that relative to driving, which in america is the standard baseline alternative

Like its not like anyone here is telling you to move to nyc you can do whatever you want

[devout cliff]

My claim wasn’t even that it’s less safe, I was only saying what my preferences are for how I’d like to raise a family which I’d prefer not to do it in a city. I’d be nervous not being with my kids when they were out and about which is common

[glass peak]

Im not sure that point made sense either if it helps

[devout cliff]

I would also like my kids to be around nature, breathe the air that smells like cedar and pines like I did, be able to go outside and explore etc.

It’s a more appealing life to me

[barren anchor]

I love the idea of a hysterical wife and two extremely sheltered children walking down a street in manhattan in a swarm of assault drones

[glass peak]

You claimed both that itll be a luxuray to live in a city because no one would be able to afford it, but also no one would want to live there, especially those with money

[blazing pawn]

Ok but you also said that the nyc subway in the 80s was "one of the most dangerous places in the world" and that the governer had to deploy the national guard, obviously suggesting that that had to be done because crime on the subway is particularly bad. Clearly you are suggesting that subways are dangerous

[glass peak]

Which is a fair and reasoable thing to say

If only you had just said that

[barren anchor]

see now we are almost back to the beginning of this which had me thinking I vibe with that

like that mid century american guy who lived nature, emerson?

he might have had it right. I am guessing when I'm 90 I'll think he absolutely did have it right

[blazing pawn]

Like you cant act like this is a conversation about your personal preference when you have clearly and repeatedly suggested that the nyc subway system is dangerous. And my point is that the statistical evidence is that it just isnt relative to all the other ways americans normally get around

[devout cliff]

That’s not true, here’s an example of me stating many will desire to live in cities and it will be a preference and a luxury. Scroll up I said it earlier as well

@glass peak

[barren anchor]

I mean there can be more than one point in a conversation

or are we all trapped in amber

[blazing pawn]

Again u can live wherever u want I dont think anyone in this chat is invested in whether you live in a city or a suburb or a small town or somewhere rural

[glass peak]

I know what you said, I dont think its consistent or coherent though

[barren anchor]

and shifting topics is an impossibility

[glass peak]

Or realistic

[barren anchor]

I said I might just live alone in the mountains when I'm 90, remember that

I might move it up to like, starting tomorrow

[glass peak]

I may go ahead now and start today

[devout cliff]

How do you believe the economic forces that lead to urbanization unwinding will be reconciled with the HCOL in cities?

[ionic wraith]

The crime wave was happening across the entire country and was facilitated by a ramping up of the Drug War

In addition, car fatalities never get considered by a lot of people who talk about public transit crime

[barren anchor]

yeah my ex's older brother did that and I was kind of jealous; but not a mountain, just some little hamlet in estonia

[devout cliff]

Both valid points

[barren anchor]

cause "they have good broadband and nice nature"

[glass peak]

Because as ive said, I dont think it is unwinding, and I dont think the HCOL comes out of nowhere.

[devout cliff]

You don’t really think that industry is offshoring and employing less people, that white collar work is increasingly less and less centered on physical office space and increasingly digital and globalized?

[barren anchor]

doesn't mean the jobs that require physical locations aren't in cities

[devout cliff]

The economic magnet that drew people into urbanization is becoming increasingly decentralized and globalized, I don’t see a fundamental solution to this

[devout cliff]

Correct, those who have those jobs will be able to afford to live in cities along with those who have higher paying remote jobs . Everyone else, I don’t see how

[barren anchor]

besides, who needs a job to want to live in a city?

look at unemployed, or better yet, homeless populations

they love cities.

[devout cliff]

Ok many can be hobos in cities going forward

[barren anchor]

yeah so there's clearly something other than a job to a city

good dating, music, dancing, food, whatever

I appreciate VR is trying to pretend a "concert" in vr is something worth experiencing, and similarly plenty of businesses are pretending "dating" doesn't require in person connection

[devout cliff]

Being homeless isn’t a serious solution and what will happen from a macro view is spreading out to areas of less demand meaning more affordability. That’s deurbanization

Why don’t we all live in Manhattan or the Hamptons right now and instead live in less desirable locations?

[barren anchor]

idunno but tbh I'm not seriously engaging anymore, I'm just chilling out.

[devout cliff]

Fair

[barren anchor]

I also literally need to go back to work so

later enjoy the day

[analog mist]

hi

[cloud rover]

Statistically, that's more to do with the fact that if you don't live inside an urbanised city, you're more likely to own the home you'd be living in, meaning that you wouldn't be homeless

[burnt ledge]

You don't have to own the home you live in to fail to be homeless. Plus maybe the fact that its less desirable to live rurally is related to why its easier to own a home to live there.

[cloud rover]

I'm more pointing out that it's a bit of a stretch to suggest that someone homeless "loves" cities

[burnt ledge]

I think its fine given that that is where there are the most amenities and resources for them

[cloud rover]

Yh but it's sort of like saying that students "love" exams imo

Yes they statistically do more exams than the average person, because... they're students, but that doesn't automatically translate into them loving the concept of an examination

[burnt ledge]

I dont think the analogy holds and I also think in the context (showing that theres more appeal to cities than merely jobs) its perfectly admissible

[sweet spruce]

I think I lost my advanced access somehow?

[still pilot]

Yeah same..

[sweet spruce]

How do we find out why? Lol

Hey it showed up again

[still pilot]

Dunno, I want to answer somebody's question in #advanced-probability but I only have read access

[magic python]

Discords messed up right now, it's probably not working with roles correctly right now

[unborn meteor]

huh i can send messages in the meta com channels

,ui virendra_

[sweet spruce]

I just assumed I was banned because the illuminati thinks my ideas are too powerful/dangerous

[magic python]

In two of my other servers it was acting like I didn't do the entering process (they have a thing to stop new users from just entering and being stupid bigots easily)

[fathom swallow]

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[unborn meteor]

why did reactions re-break

also @night basin maybe restart texit to clear the API backlog (or do i not understand it at all)

actually hmm starting bots may be broken

[glossy marlin]

unable to load parts of profile... for everyone

[dense escarp]

Ohio

[scenic pond]

a

[true zinc]

starting bots is fucked rn

[unborn meteor]

not anymore

[true zinc]

I can't start either of mine

[rapid valve]

random tesla car that was parked during the worker's right day march

btw there's a "anti fascist puppygirl" sticker there

[dreamy crag]

FUCKING CGT STICKERS???

[dreamy crag]

theres a fucking richerd nixon sticker there

[rapid valve]

Yeah i told you cgt is a french workers union

[devout cliff]

Cringe

[magic python]

There is a sticker that is an image of me on there /hj

[rapid valve]

True, tesla is cringe

[dreamy crag]

i must have etheir forgot, or you told like maddy or someone, cause i do not have any recolection of that...

[rapid valve]

[dreamy crag]

IM SOWWY

[rapid valve]

Idk why i posted that in serioussy tho

[dreamy crag]

was very confused on why a black liberation sticker said "free palistine" and then i realized im a dumbass

[rapid valve]

Now you know

[old oak]

Yep, that's why it was covered up with stickers

[unborn meteor]

me when i cover it up in paint colored stickers

but you see this would actually work

[unborn meteor]

fyi the typing indicator API is broken so any use of it hangs indefinitely (at least in discord.js)

[true zinc]

[unborn meteor]

and due to how JS async works it doesn't hang the bot, only the command

[thin geyser]

Seems like Gowers has jumped on the bandwagon as well
https://x.com/wtgowers/status/2052830948685676605

[teal lion]

this doesn’t do anything but

• net you internet points with people who already agree with you
• look very cool

“ah yes, now that i’ve seen this vandalized tesla, i will make sure to join my trade union”

[ionic wraith]

Maybe that’s not their goal, maybe they just wanna enact massive shame onto the owner of that vehicle, and signal on the Internet that associating urself with Tesla products is worthy of . . . consequences

[dreamy crag]

you forgot it being fun

[teal lion]

the problem is that it isn’t.

you don’t see people toilet papering aisles for selling nestle chocomilk, even though nestle used slaves to make it

the only difference is that it is currently cooler to vandalize teslas.

i know it’s unfun and uncool and boring and bourgeois to say you shouldn’t vandalize teslas because elon musk is a bad person

but it seems true

[inner canopy]

I like how genuinely telling it is how stupid the average UK voter is after the local elections

You see with your own eyes and complain about how bad Brexit had been and then decide to go out en masse and vote for the moron who got you Brexit

Thankfully it's only about 30% of the voter base that voted for reform but still that's 30% that clearly are lacking a prefrontal cortex

[steep moth]

@slow cipher wsp you were talking abt me?

[slow cipher]

No Epstein

And baby eaters

[steep moth]

yeah he's bad what abt him

[slow cipher]

They are moving awareness about that

[steep moth]

yep pretty evil

[steep moth]

no they're very much aware lmao

it's just that this is the place where we talk about epstein and everything

[slow cipher]

Need to spread awareness

[magic python]

Some people don't like abuse shoved down their throats mate

[steep moth]

this is the place

[slow cipher]

They move it away from the mainstream

This is secondary and slowed

[steep moth]

oh you mean like news and shi

yeah fox news is a total bitch

[magic python]

Idiots make jokes about abuse, that's why this exists

[slow cipher]

In general

[magic python]

This was decided on after months of people being idiots

[slow cipher]

If we can't talk about the serious issues how can we solve them

[magic python]

We can't. Simple as that.

[snow ice]

*you can

here.

[slow cipher]

Can't talk about it in mainstream but secondary more obscure media

[magic python]

Life's a bitch, what the hell is a discord server gonna be about it.

[steep moth]

you rlly think a couple of internet randos can beat billionaires that aren't afraid to eat children

[snow ice]

because this is a math server, not a politics or any influential server

[slow cipher]

No it's just the in general society

[steep moth]

idk man the closest thing to influencing people to talk about epstein more is to lobby

[slow cipher]

No lobbying is corruption with a dif name

[magic python]

Most people don't wanna hear about rape, pedophilia, murder, suicide, bombings, etc... whilst trying to converse. That's why we have this channel.

[slow cipher]

I can't believe people would put there life on the line for baby eaters and redacted

[steep moth]

well technically it's bribery but for the general interests of the lobbyist rather than just for crime

[slow cipher]

How much brainwashing it take

[snow ice]

this isn't brainwashing

[magic python]

Oh wait this is about the news and trump supporters isn't it

Yeah they just ignore the facts icl

[slow cipher]

Nah in general there is no choice blue and red are same

[steep moth]

hey dy even know what ur talking about btw ur just spewing buzzwords

[magic python]

I'm talking about trump as in the pedophile, misogynist, transphobe, homophobe, idiotic person. Not as in "Oh he is president boo hoo"

[slow cipher]

Because I can't be exact

For the same reasons

[steep moth]

if you want to target something evil, be exact

[magic python]

Oh god you think this discord server is being censored by big news

[steep moth]

you don't use umbrella words and catch-all terms to describe paedophilia, baby-eating, debauchery, and other nsfl shi

[slow cipher]

Are u apart of the isreal lobby

[steep moth]

i dont have money so I can't lobby lmao

[magic python]

[slow cipher]

This just moves away the topic from the fact there is so much overlooked and ignored

[steep moth]

also, what aspect israel are you talking about

[magic python]

How are people supposed to agree if you aren't explicit

[slow cipher]

More topic change from the baby eaters I see

[steep moth]

you started talking about israel, I thought we were gonna talk about israel

[slow cipher]

US is a 1 party system disguised as 2 party system that is meant to be a democracy

[steep moth]

so is it your tactic to just spew buzzwords and accuse people of being epstein-symphatics for talking abt said buzzwords

[slow cipher]

Buzzword it's self is a buzzword use something, ur being hypocritical

[steep moth]

@slow cipher I've seen more effective disinformation from pinocchio

[sick pebble]

trump is trying to do everything to cover the files along with fbi and doj, the other 3 million files waiting to be released are the things that would incriminate people so they wont release it

[slow cipher]

So ur against there being more Epstein likes hidden and baby eaters in power

Just want to know

[steep moth]

ad hominem

[slow cipher]

Respond to the message above

[steep moth]

jsyk i dont support epstein and I cant change the fact that there's less media coverage about it

again, the most effective way to bring back epstein in media coverage is lobbying

[slow cipher]

It's a yes or no ur calling it disinformation that I talk abt it

[steep moth]

no, im calling the fact that you're purposefully derailing the topic and screaming ad hominem statements disinformation

[slow cipher]

Examples

[steep moth]

if you want to talk discourse on epstein at the very least be cohesive

[steep moth]

exhibit 1

[steep moth]

exhibit 2

[slow cipher]

Write it out

[steep moth]

exhibit 3

[steep moth]

if you're gonna waste my time more, get ignored

[slow cipher]

Nothing about baby eaters and Epstein likes being normalized* in democratic or not power being wrong?

Nothing about the content but rather the package I see

That's what I thought

[magic python]

Did you know over 7 rights of transgender people are actively stripped in many parts of the world?

[slow cipher]

I don't have much knowledge but what are the 7

[magic python]

I have a list of about 9 and a few extra ones on technicalities :3

According to the rights listed in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (I believe that is the name) (yes I know these are quite commonly violated even for people who aren't in minorities per se, but just because they get violated on others, doesn't mean they don't get violated for trans people)

The main ones by the article number in the Declaration

2. (This discrimination is based on them being trans, violating this one)

3. (In multiple places trans people get the death penalty or some other form of punishment, not really safe I won't lie...)

4. (Transgender people were and still are ||trafficked|| heavily, though the most major case being ||Jeffery Epstien|| (tw: abuse+SA))

5. (Basically the same as 4, but degrading punishment is also sort of normalized in some places, so...)

6. (Do I even need to explain how trans people both now and historically in many places weren't recognized as people..?)

7. (Transgender people don't get equal help with things violating 4 and at least anecdotally are discriminated against with protection)

9*. ("Trump Administration Opens the Door for ICE to Target Anyone Suspected of Being Trans" is a real headline, asterisk as the headline could be called misleading.)

16. (Same as gay people both now and in the past, marriage is not exactly the easiest... plus, forced marriage is probably a thing based on 4.)

17. (Look up the definition of transphobia)

18. (Oh look! Rebranded 18)

23*. (Gender discrimination in the workforce exists, and minorities are discriminated against as well, so one can infer transgender being a minority they get discrimination here)

25*. (If we count mental health as well-being, transgender people often get denied or put through year long processes trying to "force them to be cis again" and this is not good mentally, but well-being is ambiguous, so not exactly 100% breaking this)

26*. (Last time I heard, minorities still get discrimination in education in some places, though I don't know for sure if trans people do, I can only assume this one)

27*. (Transgender people get hate despite the countless studies showing how safe it is, how little it is regretted, and so on, but tend to get "pushed out" from what I know, though this may not directly violate this)

30*. (Government's denying trans rights, though I guess they don't twist these rights to do it)

This is off a quick search of these rights, not even looking into the full documents for more nuance on whether the technicalities (denied by an asterisk) count properly or if there are more.

Oh I love being able to copy paste this list

[mild isle]

im spiderman

🕸️

[magic python]

Can Spiderman save us from 2–7 being violated

Oh I can find the source for the headline, not sure if it's valid, but that'd be possible if anyone asks

[slow cipher]

I'm liberatian

[magic python]

Okay?

[slow cipher]

I support freedom and all equal

[magic python]

And?

That doesn't counteract any of my points

[slow cipher]

I didn't mean to word it that way

[magic python]

I don't understand why you say you are libertarian, that doesn't exactly relate much imo

[slow cipher]

I'm on the same boat

[magic python]

I mean I technically never explicitly said everyone should be equal... I said trans people get their rights taken away :3c

[slow cipher]

People getting their rights taken away in society is an issue for sure

[magic python]

Yeah it is, I'm just being annoying and pulling an "um actually"

[slow cipher]

Yo I didn't know what to add to the discussion mb

What countries are affected most by this, like for example 1st vs 3rd

[magic python]

I don't know all 1st and 3rd world countries, but I can list a few I used as examples in my head for some of those rights

Wait fuck I need to look that one up brb

[slow cipher]

Wait genuine question not meant to be rude in any way,

If u were trans then became trans again would u still be trans or not trans

[spark orbit]

Spotify became pay to play

[slow cipher]

Always has been

[spark orbit]

When?

I noticed it today...

[magic python]

Is Forbes a valid source for ones that criminalize being trans?

[slow cipher]

Corporate tactic, first be cheap and become monopoly

Once u own all the preices in monopoly then start building house and farming

[magic python]

Trans isn't a strict binary, non binary falls under trans, so no

[slow cipher]

So u wouldn't be trans k

[spark orbit]

I don't think so it'll go according to their plans, it might backfire

[magic python]

"So no" as in your wouldn't necessarily be not trans, you most likely would still count as trans based on the sheer amount of things under the umbrella

[slow cipher]

Other examples of same monopoly tech

Unber, Netflix*,. there is alot more

[magic python]

"The 13 countries who specifically criminalise transgender people, mostly using “cross-dressing” laws, are Brunei, the Gambia, Indonesia, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malawi, Malaysia, Nigeria, Oman, South Sudan, Tonga, and the United Arab Emirates. Iran’s Islamic Penal Code also has severe punishments for bending gender norms in your expression."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2020/09/30/this-is-where-its-illegal-to-be-transgender-in-2020/

[slow cipher]

I am confused 😭

[shadow cosmos]

Trans trans is not a thing, you are talking about detransitioning, and that makes you cis I guess? Depends on the context

[magic python]

Say someone is agender, which falls under trans, then they transition to being demigirl, that is still technically a form of trans

[slow cipher]

No I'm talking about trans-trans is it the same as a negative negative

[shadow cosmos]

I refuse to believe there are trans trans people

[magic python]

You can transition again, but it's still just trans iirc

[shadow cosmos]

Yeah lmao

[magic python]

I mean unless you go back to gender assigned at birth

[shadow cosmos]

Trans trans would mean you identify as a trans that identifies as [GENDER]

[slow cipher]

So it will be (-) + (-) and not (-) x (-)

[magic python]

Cis has natural density of 0 if we take trans to be the natural numbers :3

[slow cipher]

I'm so lost explain this in math

[magic python]

Basically, transitioning to cis is very unlikely if it were to be random

Probability of 0

But people aren't random and so detransitions happen

[slow cipher]

U sure

[shadow cosmos]

It doesn’t make sense to “transition to cis”, and the concept of being trans is independent of transition

[magic python]

Yes, there are infinitely many types of trans compared to a finite amount of cis

[slow cipher]

So it would not cancel out?

[magic python]

I meant going back to being cis in this case, and transition to mean identifying

[slow cipher]

I don't know what "cis" mean gng

[magic python]

Cis is not trans

[shadow cosmos]

You identify as the gender assigned at birth

[magic python]

You identify with what the doctors saw on you as a baby

They only pick 2 options iirc

Being trans is any form where you don't identify this way, in the broad sense of the term

[shadow cosmos]

Meanwhile not even biological sex is a binary

[magic python]

They don't care about intersex, why do you think the surgeries happen

[slow cipher]

Okay so if u went from the most frequent 2 and transitioned twice would the person be considered Trans

[shadow cosmos]

Funnily enough you either are cis or arent

So thats an actual binary

[magic python]

If you transitioned strictly in the binary, yes, there are only two options so the next one is forced each time. But people rarely fit the binary exactly

[shadow cosmos]

Transition to what tho

[shadow cosmos]

Yeah

[slow cipher]

So it's either u transition back or u identity as a transition transition

[magic python]

People don't often do that

[slow cipher]

What if they can

[shadow cosmos]

Even detransition is quite rare

Inagine now a nested fully closed into itself transition

[slow cipher]

No but with infinite time anything is possible

[magic python]

They can, i have never once heard someone call themselves trans trans. Many people I know identified in multiple different ways though.

[shadow cosmos]

Yeah

[magic python]

If a monkey types the words "i am Shakespeare" is it?

[slow cipher]

I'm asking this because someone said to me that they will get benefits by saying they trans by transing twice

[shadow cosmos]

Please dont compare that user to a monkey
(Ignore me im just bored)

[magic python]

Benefits for being trans? Holy shit where

[shadow cosmos]

Lmao

[magic python]

This is literally unheard of

[shadow cosmos]

Here you do get quite a lot of benefits

[snow ice]

what is going on this looks chaotic

[magic python]

Spill the tea

[magic python]

I got meds that give me depression :3

[shadow cosmos]

Someone called someone monkey and now they are arguing over the benefits of being trans

[magic python]

I was using a monkey for the infinite typewriter analogy...

[snow ice]

sounds quite bad

nvm I saw the message we are gud

[slow cipher]

Is there laws that define who is trans and who is not or a know rule

[shadow cosmos]

Lol

[magic python]

In India at least yes unfortunately

The government decides if you get care

[shadow cosmos]

Sadly yes, there is transmedicalism

[slow cipher]

That's more problems there 😭 (corruption)

[magic python]

Plus in many countries they try to detransition you, even in "progressive" ones

[shadow cosmos]

You can always DYU but I wouldn’t ever recommend that nor endorse it wink wink

[magic python]

That's under the we are denied healthcare

[slow cipher]

Normal healthcare?

[magic python]

Even in countries without explicit laws you often need gender dysphoria

[slow cipher]

Or gender specific

[shadow cosmos]

Thats a phenomenon sadly

[magic python]

Can we class antidepressants for depressed people as normal healthcare?

If yes, 100%

If not, still yes

[shadow cosmos]

Some doctors outright refuse to treat you even trans unrelated if you are trans

And a lot of doctors are sadly very transphobic

[magic python]

I'd call normal healthcare things that are needed to keep you alive, so in my opinion, very much yes, so many trans people resort to suicide over this

[slow cipher]

Whats ur opinion on born gender only leagues for sports

[shadow cosmos]

40% of trans people in the US have attempted suicide

[magic python]

I don't care for sports, plus biological sex tells you fucking nothing

[shadow cosmos]

80% thought about it

[magic python]

I'd argue 46XX DSD shouldn't be allowed if transmasc isn't allowed for male sports

[slow cipher]

Biological does have an after I think in sport gameplay

[shadow cosmos]

Its meaningless

[magic python]

Just because the genitals are one size at birth doesn't mean the body developes a specific way, I know this stuff

[shadow cosmos]

You have to measure hormone levels

[magic python]

Sex is based on genitals size at birth

Too small? Oh no, you are a girl, deal with it

[shadow cosmos]

More like how developed they are

And if functional or not

[magic python]

Eh I've heard it's mainly just the size

As people with vaginas also can be classes as male

[shadow cosmos]

Shoutout to all the small pipi people in chat, you are still a man (if you identify as such)

[magic python]

This is also why I don't care for sex medically after a certain age

Basically any bloodtest would be better and tell you more

[shadow cosmos]

[magic python]

Your genitals at birth barely say anything about later development

[shadow cosmos]

ALSO

[magic python]

Hormone levels naturally are different between people

[shadow cosmos]

Some sport segregation by sex without any valid reason (biologically at least)

Say Chess, men and women are on average just as smart

[magic python]

Yeah women just aren't as often given the chance to learn

[shadow cosmos]

This is why we should force all children into learning the rules of chess in third grade

[magic python]

I don't care enough for sports to make any arguments outside of "sex is fucking meaningless anyways"

[shadow cosmos]

This is a joke but in my country is not so much of a joke

[magic python]

That sucks

[shadow cosmos]

We were taught chess at the school

[shadow cosmos]

We have a huge chess tradition and even a world champion, is just a cultural thing

[magic python]

I used to love chess icl

[shadow cosmos]

In india too Im guessing

[magic python]

I used to love a lot of things

[spring vortex]

Woah isnt serious discussy that serious anymore?

[shadow cosmos]

I literally just shouted out people with smol pipis so no

[magic python]

Want me to type something to wait for transphobes to catch the bait again

[slow cipher]

I think some sports based on physical might have to be birth sex based for fairness

[magic python]

Nope

Hormone fluctuation in that is too wide

[slow cipher]

I think there is genetic differences between the sexes

Even if u transition early

[shadow cosmos]

This

[magic python]

Not really, not one that doesn't include some from the other sex

Look up 46XX DSD

[shadow cosmos]

Also what do you do with intersex people?

[slow cipher]

What is that

[magic python]

Throw them in with what the doctor said and possibly mutilated them to be

[slow cipher]

Is it people with both

[magic python]

Oh that explains why you think sex is useful. You don't understand the nuances

[proven depot]

It's crazy that people are so convinced this is an important problem

[magic python]

Sports suck anyways icl

The gender distinction is already quite stupid imo

[slow cipher]

Because I didn't know anything until gr 7 when I learned there was "gay" I don't mean rude my wording sucks

[magic python]

Sex doesn't tell you how the body will develop.

Which means it's kinda useless to, get this, tell how the body developed

[hidden bough]

It doesn't determine most things absolutely but it certainly does tell you many things

[magic python]

It gives you estimates yes

[slow cipher]

What about natural

[magic python]

Sure most people assigned male at birth exhibit traditional male characteristics, I won't deny this

But it won't tell you enough to know who has an advantage and who doesn't

[slow cipher]

What if there was no gender specific sports and it was all just "sport" and no gender

[proven depot]

This is bait

[magic python]

Why sport must exist

[slow cipher]

Because it is like other things that require physical

[magic python]

Like sure, I'll say a transfem who hasn't taken any hormones or blockers is "different enough" from a cis woman with T levels to probably make a difference, but any way to include trans people either makes people angry over this, or is transmedicalist

[slow cipher]

325k russains soliders have perished

[magic python]

T is normally associated with some muscle stuff

But cis women can have high T levels too

[slow cipher]

What is the gender

[hidden bough]

Intersex is a pretty broad umbrella term that encompasses, among other things, various conditions related to chromosomes and genitalia (including "having both")

[slow cipher]

Should drafts be equal?

And the positions they are sent to?

[hidden bough]

The reason that this is relevant is that such people are neither unambiguously of the male nor female sexes

[magic python]

Drafts should be based on ability, not randomly picking first of the imo...

[slow cipher]

And what is the "natural" without genetic or surgery interference tendency

[hidden bough]

So like, do you think they should play with men or women

[magic python]

Sounds like it's whatever the doctor thinks they see

[hidden bough]

In practice it's often this but not uniformly

[magic python]

Oh there are nicer ways? Nice

[slow cipher]

If they do ability based drafts wouldn't people want to be less able to doge making the nation weaker

[magic python]

People do that already

By doing things to be not qualified

[spring vortex]

[magic python]

If people don't want to be in the draft so bad they probably won't make the nation much stronger icl

[slow cipher]

Deserters get death penalty

[magic python]

Plus anything I can think of for a gender based draft is inherently sexist so like... just do it based on criteria like I believe is already done

[magic python]

They get death either way mate

[slow cipher]

So we should do equal drafts then

[shadow cosmos]

[slow cipher]

People might transition to doge drafts

[hidden bough]

Sure but this isn't the same as just having low morale lol

[proven depot]

You know what liberal democracy is actually bad after all thank you Russia

[magic python]

I can assure you this isn't a massive issue based on how it can cause mental issues if not done properly

[shadow cosmos]

Is this ragebait?

[magic python]

That's why some of us transition, to fix said mental issue by moving to a state it affects us less

But if you are in a state it affects you less and move to one it does more, that's not good

[hidden bough]

In the event that gender affirming care is made more accessible and a draft is instated, it doesn't seem entirely absurd to me that a nontrivial number of people would transition to dodge said draft

[magic python]

Plus why wouldn't trans people be in the drafts?

Oh wait I forgot some governments don't see us as people or as mentally sound

[hidden bough]

I just think that this is a stupid thing to worry about because who cares

[magic python]

That first condition is why this isn't an issue to be fair

[hidden bough]

If they're willing to go to that much effort they could also just break their ankle or something

[proven depot]

These stupid debates are a product of Russian influence, active measures

[magic python]

A government that won't draft trans people hates them enough to not make care easy

[magic python]

Probably better mentally if I had to guess

[hidden bough]

I'm not entirely sure I'm convinced by that lol

[proven depot]

increase divisions, institutional distrust, exploit the weaknesses of free speech

[magic python]

Though I guess people could do DIY if given enough heads up to a draft

[proven depot]

when will America learn

[magic python]

Oh no I guess broken bones does do lots of mental strain

Just because mine didn't affect me doesn't mean it can't be crippling for others

I forgot how serious some breaks are

[hidden bough]

I don't quite follow? I think the idea behind rebirthedlegend's concern was "the government treats transitioned women as women, and thus transitioning gets you out of the draft"

[magic python]

A government that isn't transphobic to that degree needed but is sexist to that degree needed sounds kinda unlikely to me

[hidden bough]

Probably the above is poorly worded, in that what I meant was "in the hypothetical the government treats..."

[hidden bough]

This actually seems immensely likely to me lol

I mean, insofar as a government which isn't transphobic is likely

[slow cipher]

Would a perfect world be equal or eqatible

[magic python]

Equal ignores issues most don't have

[slow cipher]

Which one

[magic python]

I wouldn't enjoy an equal world icl

[slow cipher]

So eqatible right

[magic python]

I think, I don't know the exact definition though

But if it's "everyone gets what they need" then yes

[slow cipher]

Vs everyone gets the same

[magic python]

With everyone getting the same, either many wouldn't get proper care, or many like me would be overwhelmed with the sheer amount of unnecessary things

[slow cipher]

What if we are at the same intellectual as chimps

[magic python]

Plus how would that work with surgeries

[magic python]

Ask a chimp ig

[slow cipher]

I just idk, have not really commonly seen this kinda stuff in nature prob might not be able to think right bad on my part but idk

[magic python]

Animals changing sex happens in nature

Though I can't think of any explicit species, it happens.

[shadow cosmos]

A LOT.

[shadow cosmos]

Insects mostly

[magic python]

Intersex forms are also so common it's crazy

[slow cipher]

Though nature isn't eqatible as it isn't a thing it's just the way it has worked. Things with successful offspring survive and continue.

[magic python]

And frog :3

[shadow cosmos]

Yeah some birds have crazy high numbers

[shadow cosmos]

They are making the frog gay and trans

[slow cipher]

A sex is a common thing

[magic python]

Forget gay uncle theory, transgender aunt theory

[slow cipher]

And transitioning does occur

[magic python]

And by they? We mean god

[shadow cosmos]

Gayness is also really widespread in the animal kingdom

[slow cipher]

What about female spiders eating males after trading genes

[magic python]

So is eating children:3

[shadow cosmos]

This is feminism, feminism is also natural

[slow cipher]

This is sexism in nature we must remove it

[proven depot]

Define "widespread" and "common" and explain what that's supposed to demonstrate

[slow cipher]

Komodo dragons do same sex is they can't find opposite

[magic python]

Feminism is actually lesbian geckos, you aren't a feminist if you get with a MAN

[shadow cosmos]

Make me do it.

[magic python]

Natural arguments are kinda useless anyways imo so nuh uh

[shadow cosmos]

Yeah

[slow cipher]

Most of ur reasons wouldn't like surgery exist if it didn't

[shadow cosmos]

Whats natural or not is ultimately irrelevant

[magic python]

Please explain this point

[slow cipher]

What about practical

[shadow cosmos]

Wdym

[magic python]

Surgery is useful for many of us to keep living :3

[slow cipher]

Should we set up hospitals doing mass transiting to make all rwjay

[shadow cosmos]

[shadow cosmos]

You might not know this but transness is fairly rare

[magic python]

Should we set up hospitals giving mass antidepressants..?

[proven depot]

People should be able to do whatever they want but rationalizing it as a not a cultural phenomenon is just cope

[magic python]

Depression is more common than transitioning so....

[shadow cosmos]

The media has overblown a “trans problem” for like the 29 trans out there

[slow cipher]

Also another question not meant to be rude ebht I'm just curious (I am bad at wording)

Do people have mental illness before transitioning or does it happen because of what happens after

[magic python]

Before

I legally couldn't transition when I was diagnosed

Also morally couldn't, that's years before puberty starts period.

[shadow cosmos]

Ure high asf, give me some of that

[magic python]

Some trans people don't have this mental issue though

[slow cipher]

So people transitioning after mental illness would it transfer to the suicide rate

[proven depot]

It's the same thing with ADHD diagnosis

[slow cipher]

Or is it separate

[proven depot]

Theraputic culture is just very corrupt and it's interesting to watch in real time

[shadow cosmos]

Suicide rates drop when healthcare is provided

[magic python]

A lack of care is attributed to higher suicide rates, and Trans people have higher suicide rates than other gender minorities

[slow cipher]

Canadain does opposite they help u

[magic python]

Plus, gender dysphoria can cause depression as well

[magic python]

Not properly

[slow cipher]

Would lack of care not be the cause of ilness in first place

[shadow cosmos]

And also depression can cause gender dysphoria, is complicated

[magic python]

It forms in many long before care is feasible

[slow cipher]

I am just saying I think it's the same factors

[magic python]

It just happens in some, in others it is a lack of care

No, I got it before a lack of care would matter

[slow cipher]

We should tackle the core cause of mental illness

[magic python]

I was not "different" from others at that age outside of the social construct of gender

[shadow cosmos]

So lack of healthcare?

[magic python]

This mental illness just happens

Trust me, there isn't a "fix"

Not for everyone with it

Many of us will die with this

Wait that actually doesn't say much uh

Many of us will live an entire lifetime with this

[magic python]

This may sound the same, but it's technically not, as this can be a shorter span, due to the death being caused by it.

[proven depot]

Core cause of mental illness: social media

[shadow cosmos]

Its a big factor

[magic python]

I wasn't on social media at 5 mate

[shadow cosmos]

No?

[magic python]

Some people have it at 3 years old.

[magic python]

I sure hope not

[proven depot]

More like "networked content platforms" there's very little social about it

[magic python]

I was a playful kid back then

[shadow cosmos]

How old are you anyways?

[magic python]

In fact, I knew I was trans before knowing it existed.

[magic python]

A minor

[shadow cosmos]

Damn

[magic python]

Oops my opinion doesn't matter anymore

[shadow cosmos]

Sorry for the friend request

[flat harbor]

it actly doesnt yeah

[shadow cosmos]

Your opinion starts to matter at 57

[magic python]

It's fine, I tend to ignore ones from people I don't remember much interactions with

[flat harbor]

this channel is for serious discussion between serious people so

[magic python]

Aw darn it...

[magic python]

Aight ratgirl smite me with the role

[flat harbor]

im not ratgirl.

[magic python]

Then call them

[flat harbor]

never make that mistake again

[shadow cosmos]

Really?

[flat harbor]

you too? what a day

[shadow cosmos]

I always thought you were an alt account from ratgirl

[proven depot]

We need to go full accelerationist flooding the internet with AI

[shadow cosmos]

Yes!!!

[magic python]

Then I can die in peace without real news :3

[shadow cosmos]

Wow you are kinda blurry

[flat harbor]

the purpose of this channel is to protect ppl who dont want to read the news

quite the noble cause

[magic python]

Yeah my fault chat

[cunning adder]

I wonder if my family could, like, not nitpick and shame me for everything that's wrong with my body??
guess what, im a hormonal teenager, and double guess what, i hate every aspect of my body too! but i can't control my situation and much less my biology yet! so maybe, politely, respectfully, with all the politeness i can muster,
shut the fuck up

maybe if you want to shame my shitty eating habits, listen to my multiple concerns over an eating disorder. and take me to the fucking doctor

[thin dew]

What is polecat doing here

[shadow cosmos]

You are so annoying

[thin dew]

Who

[cunning adder]

seething

[quiet tapir]

hi @cunning adder

[magic python]

<@&268886789983436800> snipe em

[agile fiber]

@torn snow we don't allow advertising

[magic python]

I was sniped it seems

[torn snow]

im srry

[magic python]

It's in the rules last time I checked

[torn snow]

came back to this srvr after 2 months

[cunning adder]

helo there

[warm kayak]

This sounds so shit, hope things will be better for you

[cunning adder]

ty ty 🫂 💜

[edgy marlin]

My sympathies trust me things will get better

Polecat is a cute kitten in real life she just acts like a evil monster

[glad wave]

X-3=2
X-3-5=2-5 [-5 Both Sides, Balancing]
X-8=-3
(X-8)^2=(-3)^2 [Square Both Sides]
X^2-2X.8+8^2=9
X^2-16X+64=9
X^2-16X+64-9=0
X^2-16X+55=0
X^2-11X-5X+55=0
X(X-11)-5(X-11)=0
(X-5)(X-11)=0
X=5, X=11 since we have to satisfy the condition.
Add - both sides at both answers

SOLVED THE HARDEST ALGEBRA

[echo pumice]

yes this is very serious and fitting for this channel

[warm kayak]

Keep it serious dude

[edgy marlin]

Ping mods broo

[rapid valve]

That's what someone who hasn't foynd the antifascist puppygirl sticker would say

[hearty marsh]

?

[cerulean rivet]

how is 11-3 = 2

is this ragebait

[merry pasture]

Bros creating solutions which didn’t exist

[sharp yarrow]

No.

[glad wave]

11 is a negative number blud

I told add minus both sides of each solution

[glad wave]

So -x=-11

-x=-5

[warm kayak]

"first solution is x=5. For the second solution you have ti change the equation"

[echo field]

Is future predecided or random?

[frail solstice]

Why does polecat have a reputation here?

But I Hope polecat gets better and gets out of the situation

[ionic star]

random just means you don't know

like, why not both

what's the difference

[glossy marlin]

-# is e+pi algebraic? we don´t know but it´s not random.
-# also some people very much would like to believe in free will and people deciding to be good on their own and such

[flat harbor]

every single philo chud ive had the displeasure of speaking with insists that free will doesnt exist and that the person theyre talking with capitulates to this idea

[devout cliff]

It seems pretty difficult to have morality and ethics, justify laws and punishment, have relationships with others without some level of autonomy and moral agency

[glacial mango]

Making an ideal reality is like forcing all real gases to be ideal

[echo field]

It cant be

[ionic star]

every midnight god rolls the roulette wheel and uses the results for the next day

local predestination

[teal lion]

hard determinism makes things pretty hard

and philo chuds pretty hard

ooh how do you like that pun!?!?

[eternal pebble]

@wintry kelp

[cunning adder]

I'm on here too much and have no life.

[cunning adder]

tyty 💜 🫂

[slow cipher]

I'm just here to rage bait

[versed pumice]

Hey guys, what are the best textbooks to learn algebra 1-2, trigonometry, and calculus?
(I mean a textbook for each one, I don't need a book that covers all of them).

[vocal vessel]

#book-recommendations

[true zinc]

Just use lang's basic mathematics alongside stitz zeager precalc (second one available for free), then something like spivak if you want some theory, if you want computation just use thomas or stewart or strang's book (last one free online legally)

[versed pumice]

Wait, can I find all of these online for free?

Where should I go to find them?

[true zinc]

legally? only stitz and zeager and strang

https://www.stitz-zeager.com/szprecalculus07042013.pdf
https://ocw.mit.edu/courses/res-18-001-calculus-fall-2023/resources/mitres_18_001_f17_full_book_pdf/

[versed pumice]

Thankyou!

[true zinc]

you'd have to buy lang and spivak

[opal isle]

my good friend anna from undergrad has a large archive of books maybe she has them

[true zinc]

it's funny you say that, I actually have a close friend named anna who just finished her masters' thesis in alg top

[versed pumice]

But, wait, do they have long sets of problems that I could practice with, or do they just explain it?

[true zinc]

Open them and find out :)

[versed pumice]

That's not very helpful.

[opal isle]

spivak's calculus has a very large selection of exercises and problems

[true zinc]

The books I mentioned are freely downloadable, so download them and check if they have exercise sections (spoiler: they do, but you shouldn't need to ask such questions when you can check it yourself, esp with a freely available resource)

But yes lang and spivak have lots of exercises, you can also confirm this from amazon listings or stackoverflow posts about both books

[versed pumice]

Some of this stuff I already know, where should I skip to?

[true zinc]

Yes that is the actual book, but be careful because even if that link is on the archive, Serge Lang died less than 20 years ago and copyright lasts life + 75 in the US, so that means that that link shouldn't even exist in the first place as that's pirated media, also posting pirated media is against server rules, so remove that link please

[versed pumice]

I will comply, but, I mean, it is on the internet and smacks you in the face as soon as you search up his name.

[true zinc]

Yes it does, but doesn't mean you're exempt from checking the copyright dates and stuff, on the internet the burden of proof is always on the user in this sort of case

You can use whatever resource you find online, but the actual discussion of piracy is against server rules here

[versed pumice]

Noted 👍

[true zinc]

I wish you well on your mathematical journey, feel free to ask questions in #prealg-and-algebra #precalculus #proofs-and-logic and the help channels if you get stuck. You can also talk in #math-discussion if you wish to have more general discussions on a wider array of mathematics topics

[versed pumice]

Thankyou!
I am looking to become a physicist, and I asked some people where to start, and they said to do this kind of math.

[true zinc]

This is very much the starting poin, depening on the types of physics you want to do, after precalc, and only if you'dlike a much sharper jump in difficulty, you could skip Spivak's calculus and jump right to something like zorich's mathematical analysis 1 and 2, amann and escher's analysis 1, 2, 3, or similar, but having seen some of the ideas of calculus before would help, so it just comes down to how you want to proceed, for physics, once you know calculus you can start reading like, taylor's mechanics, griffiths or jackson e&m, shankar for qm, etc...but by that point you'll be far more aware of your own skill and what you'd want to do. If you want to do theoretical physics, you should definitely also learn some modern/abstract algebra, and such, but either way you 100% also should do linear algebra, but that's a while away, don't worry about any of that right now

[versed pumice]

Yeah, right now I am struggling to do sinewaves, so I am going to need to do a lot of math.

[frail solstice]

Me too

[mellow pond]

hello hello

[next schooner]

ok ima get cookin on da aztec

[rapid valve]

Guh

[mellow pond]

yippee

i mostly ask bc i wanna know more ab my ppl before spaniards/conquistadors basically fucked my ancestors' entire societies and land over

[rapid valve]

Idk any astec culinary specialty

[next schooner]

So basically its a mxi of both archaeology and "word of mouth" (this is one of the most interesting yet vectors by which we get the info).

well, both of these are very interesting tbh

[mellow pond]

i see

[next schooner]

first you have the actual archaeology: temples, city remains, offerings, causeways, burials, ceramics, the whole physical record of where people lived and what they built was documented both by the conquistadores as well as subsequent historians

[vocal trout]

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[next schooner]

now it is important to note that the "aztecs/nahua" had actually their own writing system

[mellow pond]

yeee that i vaguely know of

i'm much more nerdy about the maya writing system for god knows what reason

[next schooner]

now thatws interesting

[mellow pond]

and the soviet(?)/slavic(?) guy with a cat who deciphered it

[next schooner]

hmmm how to talk about this

so the whole mesooamerican world had actually a whole bunch of different pictographic/glyph-based writing systems which were all fairly distinct but all shared a common resemblences with stuff like calendars,, codices, pictorial historical records, etc. The maya script was a densely phonetic/logosyllabic script and was the first that we know of. interestingly, the writing systems did not really appear to descened from any common ancestor (in the way that like a bazillion alphabets can be traced back to the phonecian script). Aztec script was much more pictorial and symbolic with a focus specifically on names and locations. I think it was fairly rare that a glyph would stand in for an actual syllable in nahuatl

[mellow pond]

makes sense

[next schooner]

yahh

now back to how we know about the aztecs

a lot of this is from spanish colonial records

which, while by and large extremely unreliable, there are nevertheless many of things that arent just "some colonial shit written down by some conquistador". a lot of the most important information about their culture and society was recorded by indigineous scribes and informants to the spanish, some of which come to us in spanish and again some of which come to us in the OG nahuatl script. so we have actual nahua accounts of the conquest and of pre-conquest society, just written under colonial conditions, which obviously complicates things but yeah does not make them useless

now

the mesoamericans had an extremely rich tradition of oral histories

as seems to be somewhat universal among peoples who do not have access to writing

[mellow pond]

was there any actual truth to all the shit about human sacrifices (the shit that wraith practically chalked up to "probably may as well be true XE something something common in human cultures worldwide")

[mellow pond]

i see

[mellow pond]

that tracks

[next schooner]

it is only (relatively) recently that the kinda colonialist attitudes toowards oral histories as being just "they spoke to each other about stuff and passed it down to the next generation or whatever" like, oral history in these societies was nearly always its own actual disciplined cultural 'institution'. you had specialists, priests, elders, scribes, ritual performances, genealogies, king lists, migration stories, sacred histories, political histories, all preserved in very structured ways. and then in mesoamerica specifically this was often tied together with codices, calendars, place glyphs, tribute records, and other visual/written systems. Now spanish friars actually ended up documenting a lot of this oral history in a way that was quite accurate - their motive was typically to understand it so that it could be properly suppressed and "modified" to fit with christianity or whatever. But yeah a lot of the nahau were interviewed and gave these oral records to these priests who for bad reasons but reasons nonethteless recorded these pretty accurately

[next schooner]

yes

[mellow pond]

i see

[next schooner]

human sacrifice was a real part of axtec religion and an important state ritual but the spanish obviously had every reason to exagerrate and moralise the absolute living shit outta it

[mellow pond]

it interests me how there were (seemingly at least, idk) both friars trying to preserve this stuff and zealots trying to destroy it

two sides of the same coin type shit

[next schooner]

but we do know enough about it to my understanding (i am not an expert in any of this just for the record) such that you can read and understand a lot about human sacrifice not just in the aztec empire but throughout earlier time periods across mesoamerica