serious-discussion

[rare sage]

i try to be

[neat lintel]

Also don't concentrate only on studying, do other life activities to avoid depression.

Go gym, socialize, etc.,

[rare sage]

solved my depression in 2023-24

how old are you btw?

[neat lintel]

17

[rare sage]

hm

[crimson dune]

Just checking mah rank

[fresh comet]

[plucky rain]

after one menty b and 5 klonopin later im finally numb enought to start taking notes on shit that i forgot

at least i like my study highlighters. they don't bleed on notebook paper

[ocean harbor]

I study with my ipad

I make good notes uwu

[sonic sentinel]

peak humor in high school was when an assignment named by collegeboard said l'hospital's rule

[agile fiber]

what about it?

[raw stump]

looking for advice from someone who took alevel maths and further maths at college uk

[polar temple]

Me

[zealous garden]

Mod cloud? Based

[buoyant frigate]

Can the definition of a derivative always be used in differentiation?

[coarse plinth]

when will psat scores come i think i did pretty good on the math part

[zealous garden]

It is the definition

There's usually a quicker way though

[buoyant frigate]

I know that, but in the first semester of university, specifically in chapter three of Thomson's Calculus, when you're differentiating, you should use its definition if the question asks for it, and if it doesn't, you should use the simpler rules of differentiation. But I didn't understand the method from the professor.

[zealous garden]

I don't understand what you're asking then, it sounds like you understood

[buoyant frigate]

Although I'm at a university in an Arab country, it uses English as the official language, which complicates things for me, especially since we relied on Arabic in high school, and then suddenly everything became English. This makes it difficult for us to understand because we need a layer of translation within our minds. I understood the material perfectly when we were used to studying it in Arabic, but after seeing it in English, I no longer understand it. I don't know why the government is doing this to us.

[brazen mulch]

🤔

[buoyant frigate]

The command is confusing

[brazen mulch]

isn't the definition symbolically expressible?

[buoyant frigate]

Yes, but sometimes they force us to use the definition.

[agile fiber]

yes, it would get really annoying if the function is complicated enough though

[buoyant frigate]

Unfortunately, it's very annoying.

But ultimately, it's important to understand where the derivative comes from.

[polar temple]

Is it university of Abu dhabi

[lost spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/zaunvi-caitvitwt-gif-11163263652107188830

[soft meadow]

as an average chinese sophomore how bad is a 1470 psat (710 eng 760 math)

[ocean harbor]

did u really reply to some random message from a year ago ☠️

[lost spruce]

You don't get the joke gang

You will someday

[ocean harbor]

no i get the joke but why did u reply to it just now

[lost spruce]

Cuz somebody else replied to it, and i just not realized i was supposed to reply to that, not this

[ocean harbor]

oh fair

[wispy totem]

which math is the hardest

[tropic pivot]

Every

[visual breach]

What is the easiest research discipline

[light gate]

postgrad math
ragebait

[visual breach]

I mean, that says nothing about my ability to research new things

[warm umbra]

Welcome to the server @cold needle

[fiery nest]

my current relationship with math is wonky.

so.
i’m a high school dropout.
i dropped out of algebra 1.
i did pass pre-algebra with an A when i was 13.

fast forward to a year ago, at 36 years old, i spend the summer doing some algebra self-study, and then my community college puts me straight into pre-calculus.

this is because the local colleges do not have anything below precalculus for credit, so, i will not get financial aid if i take algebra here.

i pass precalc with an A, but the class has so much online work that it’s hard for me to assess how well i’m actually doing, what i’m actually learning.

i take trig the following semester, and it feels like an extension of a couple parts of pre-calc. i like it.
i pass with a B.
knowing algebra more thoroughly would have helped.

now i’m in calc 1,
it’s going… okay??
i’ll pass???? most likely???
but since it’s all online, and since i don’t have much of an algebra background, it’s hard to tell what i’m learning.

and since the school skips algebra, the way they’re teaching calculus feels very babymode, even though it’s still calculus and going over all the big concepts.
it just feels off.

and what i think i wanna do, is maybe go over more algebra self-study over the winter break, or try and do more practice problems from calc 1, before calc 2 next semester.

maybe this is just how calc 1 is supposed to feel. i dont know.
i’ll watch youtube lectures, posted by professors at other colleges, and it doesn’t seem that much different than what we do here.

i coulda spent some time tonight after finishing up some homework for the night doing extra study but i played some starcraft instead.

talked to a couple friends.
dont feel like suffering and grinding all the time.

[light gate]

congrats on getting to calc 1!! probably a good thing to take breaks sometimes too
how they're teaching calculus doesn't really sound too different from what i expect—it will help a lot to know calc 1 well before going into calc 2, if they're what i think they are

[gritty heath]

Time you enjoy wasting isnt wasted time
Also breaks are good in general, to prevent burnout

[peak epoch]

how do u guys got a special color on ur profile

[fiery nest]

it’s a nitro feature i think.
i have free nitro due to friend who works for them hooking me up.
i dont remember if discord regular has custom profile colors.

[fiery nest]

ty
it’s like…. since i didn’t get to take algebra.
there is algebra-stuff i am learning via immersion while taking calculus.

and
i’m going in to physics
unless i switch to compsi
but my professor said once i get into the actual doing-physics part, i will only be using certain parts of calculus.
and if i go into compsci, she said i’ll mostly be doing linear algebra, and not much calculus.

so like
as long as i learn it enough and pass my classes, cool.
something just
feeeeels
off about it. maybe the way college rushes you through it in just one semester. there’s not a lot of time to sit and digest each concept.

[dry needle]

She’s right

Physics is a lot of differential calculus too

Just certain things tho

[light gate]

certainly feels like college has less time for calc than hs
i think theres a lot of calc in cs in certain areas though

[fiery nest]

i might unironically radically shift majors to audio engineering and music production

but i also kinda figure learn that later or in my free time

i’m a firm believer in never going old, so i’m not worried about losing creativity with age

i would have to decide within two weeks

[dry needle]

No ur right, you can never be too old

And you’re not even old 😭 my father went to med school in his late 40s

[tropic pivot]

Motivational.

[cold needle]

nah he not nprmal

[tawny knoll]

I agree

[agile fiber]

random gifs go in #chill

[idle steppe]

depends

[bold carbon]

The math you havent understood yet

[drifting oak]

I'm in a bit of the same boat. I'm 15 years separated from my last math class and jumped into calculus and discrete math 1 and 2. Nearly all the things I got wrong were misunderstandings or misrememberings of algebra. I'm going to go run through khan academy after I finish my BS to brush up before I move on to more complicated things. Cs get degrees.

[bold carbon]

gl and have fun

[drifting oak]

Will do

[inland delta]

At what point in someones "mathematical career" would they be comfortable with just sitting down and working through a textbook?

My university is getting rid of its complex analysis course, which I absolutely want to learn. Is it feasible for a 3rd year undergrad to be able to do so? I'm currently a second year, and still struggle immensely with just sitting down and attempting questions unless i have seen something similar before(eg, i can do epsilon delta proofs with polynomials, but only because i had to stumble through 5 or so with linear and quadratic functions)

It still feels like i kinda stumble around, so i havnt been able to do lots of questions in textbooks

[gritty heath]

You can start doing that from day one, it'll always be hard
Whats important is to find a book at your level, and to conscientiously work through it without cheating yourself

You dont have to go through the whole book, but for the parts of the book you do go through, do it properly

[inland delta]

Maybe the textbooks i have used are bad lol. One of the first textbooks i used was written by my professor (actually published, not just course notes written up), and i found it okayyyyy. Though i recently started Kreyszigs Introductory Functional Analysis with Applications, and although i am only ~20 pages in, i have really enjoyed it, so it definitly does help finding a good textbook. Thank you!

[gritty heath]

For complex, Ahlfors should be good, my friend was using it and his feedback was that its nice, but the exercises are hard

Then again it depends on you and how well you click with the writing style too

[inland delta]

Thank you! Ill check it out.

[boreal wagon]

hii

[tiny hamlet]

helloo

[boreal wagon]

Ummm how do i increase audience on the server i made myself
Not promoting a server so mods dont ban me

I want to grow a server where people have intellectual talks and have fun doing it

Learn something new while having fun converstations.
But i dont know how do i gather audience

[dry needle]

He just reallyyy wanted to be a doctor lmao

[boreal wagon]

Hiii

[tiny hamlet]

hmm I think starting out inviting some friends who you know are smart and often like to talk about such topics would be a good start

I’ve helped a friend grow their server once but it was for a cookie game

[boreal wagon]

Sure !!

[tiny hamlet]

sorry for the extremely generic advice lol. i’m sure someone has some better advice for you trust

[boreal wagon]

No worries

[mossy stirrup]

iamweb3user1@gmail

[copper halo]

Less is more. if you can just find a single person that melds well with the environment, presumably who you’ve known and has mutual interest in concepts, the server can thrive. Time, time, time, everything takes time, you just have to do the time.

[boreal wagon]

thanks buddy

[burnt dawn]

is the "what level of math are you studying" actually for what i do in school or what i want to discuss?
im in 9th grade but wanna talk about complex analysis

[copper halo]

If im not mistaken you’re free to talk about whatever math concepts youd like regardless of education level

So i wouldnt really worry about it

[burnt dawn]

yeah i was just a little confused because of the names of the channel categories
but ya they cant check anyways so who cares

[true zinc]

#real-complex-analysis

[burnt dawn]

didnt see i had access to the adv math category without advanced roles. mb!

[true zinc]

The undergrad role or above should give you access to those channels

[burnt dawn]

yeah, idk why i didnt see it.

[burnt dawn]

ohh its because i had pre-uni
as i said im in year 9 so im not exactly in university

[true zinc]

Here the roles are based on your skill not your current school status

[burnt dawn]

alright thanks!

[zealous garden]

We need a dropout role

[fringe summit]

Approximately, of course

But yeah it’s based on what math you study, whether it’s at that level

[boreal prawn]

sorry to ping again after a while but I just saw this and thought I'd add some advice also: it's completely normal for new problems to be hard in the way you described. it doesn't mean you're not doing well. when you self-study from a textbook, you should expect to fumble around and fail a bit, and expect to spend a lot of time on concepts (they'll seem basic looking back). in fact, the time you spend trying to figure out a challenging problem is arguably some of the most valuable time you spend thinking about math, so don't be afraid of that

also, being in university gives you an unusual amount of access to people (despite not teaching it actively) who have a deep love and understanding of math. most mathematicians would be more than happy to help you out if they have the free time

look into whether your university lets you do any sort of independent study for credit, that could also be an option for you. at my school, we can take a course for credit and a grade that is just independent study directed by a professor in the department

[inland delta]

I have noticed that, especially this year that i have been able to essentially knock on doors of certain people and get the help i need, which has been amazing.

Sadly we can’t do an independent study thing, my complex analysis situation is a bit weird.

I’m in my second year, second semester. Just finished Real Analysis, covering the actual definitions up to the definition of a definite integral with a small sidestep into topology with open, closed and compact sets.

There use to exist a 3rd year complex analysis course, that picked up from the 2nd year real analysis course, and learnt all the complex analysis up to and including the Reimman Mapping Theorem.

In 2026, they have remade and are moving complex analysis into a second year subject, to match the pace as Real Analysis. Infact, real analysis is no longer a prerequisite, so complex analysis would recover limits, and sequences ect. Which i don’t want to “learn” all that again.

One professor recommended i take the course for a easy high mark, then self study and ask extra questions during tutorials/workshops, which i think i will end up doing

Oh god, that is so much writing, my apologies

[boreal prawn]

no worries. seems like a fine enough strategy. I think self-studying it would also be reasonable, although more difficult of course

[azure rune]

Because it lies.

[sharp mulch]

?

[azure rune]

to Beleive we must know truth,a lie like a sequence (Xn)n in N Xn=e^n , n in N exists is a lie

math is a game of meaningless symbols.

Read philosophy

[brave flare]

what kind of necro is this

[azure rune]

have 1 rule : Never beleive , say ,do anything .

except after knowing the truth if you're beleive is correct ,

exept If what you said is truth ,expet If what you gonna do is based on correct beleives to be done correctly.Never and ever 100/100 follow what you dont know certainly you must have complet certainty . #study-discussion message

[sharp mulch]

I appear to have gotten a ping

[devout blaze]

Hey guys Anyone here who's hispanic?

[warm umbra]

Slow mode has begun.

Welcome to the server @azure rune

[cerulean sage]

yogurt

[tawdry pecan]

lmao

[fringe summit]

Welcome to discussion two

[cerulean sage]

😭😭😭

[tawdry pecan]

what this calls for is the coal alarm

[cerulean sage]

ts is crazy

[magic sleet]

Yes

[fringe summit]

De escalation is impossible for some so here we are

[forest sable]

yall ever gone outside and played

I like going outside and playing

[tawdry pecan]

yeah its less fun than pissing off larpers

[azure rune]

hi

[warm umbra]

@cerulean sage You can go to sleep now, let the grownups talk for a bit.

[magic sleet]

Yes

[dense belfry]

🐺

[true zinc]

🐱

[cerulean sage]

i WON’T go to sleep

[tawdry pecan]

"guyth stop huting our collective feelings"

[magic sleet]

6:30 is a bit too late for kids

[fringe summit]

Now discussion 2 becomes trash

[slim shell]

this kiddo thinks hes some grown up

[tawdry pecan]

yeah who couldve seen this coming

[slim shell]

bro turned 17 a few months ago

[warm umbra]

🥀

[fringe summit]

Shocker

[warm umbra]

Are we allowd to post GIFS in this channel.

[fringe summit]

No

[cerulean sage]

absolutely

[fringe summit]

Literally only chill

[warm umbra]

[tight copper]

💀

did mod delete

[warm umbra]

At least nobody has modpinged yet. 🥳

[raw narwhal]

hi

[fringe summit]

Congrats carbonite you are respectable now

[cerulean sage]

im deleting this bc im gonna be literally killed by mods

[dense belfry]

Apparently larping as cops is fun

[raw narwhal]

i have a question

[dense belfry]

[raw narwhal]

is anyone here in college

[fringe summit]

Or bureaucrats

[tight copper]

Thanks bro 🗿

[warm umbra]

W Carbo. ❤️‍🩹

[fringe summit]

Stop posting it so much please though

[cerulean sage]

W carbo

u are our hero

[dense belfry]

I mean currently it's definitely cops

[slim shell]

gotta respect a hooligan

[wild lantern]

It generally just sucks

[fringe summit]

It does get a bit grating after 100 times

[magic sleet]

Aren't you the guy complaining about life?

[warm umbra]

In this economy, you bet!

[slim shell]

❤️‍🩹

[magic sleet]

Or was that someone else

[tight copper]

ig

[neat lintel]

I think bureaucracy exists only to keep people with jobs

[warm umbra]

Ultra paid respect to the tank GIF in discussy one final time.

[true zinc]

I would say seeing tank gif once a day may get old but it's by far not the worst thing I've seen

[warm umbra]

Agreed.

[neat lintel]

If we didn't have slow bureaucracy we would have high unemployment.

At least temporarily

[fringe summit]

Do change it up sometime ykwim

Variety and novelty

[raw narwhal]

Assuming someone lives up to 79 and sleeps for 8 hours every single day they would have 14,843 days remaining left to live. To put into context how short this number actually is, 2020 was almost 2,125 days ago.

Why bother even going to college studying hard to get a high paying salary

None of that will matter in the end we wont get to keep anything once we die

[brave flare]

i do wonder how much of the gif complaining is exactly about the fucking tank

which as a reminder, started with ME

i am the cause of this

and now im a mod!

[vivid halo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/409481404913811476/968186215734079528/speed-2.gif

[brave flare]

its like atoning for my sins

[dry cargo]

im not going to be baited into arguing abt bureaucracy nice try

[true zinc]

ng playin' with fire

[fringe summit]

A lot

[fringe summit]

You can never match carbonite’s aura

The tank gif has become legendary, the issue will get worse

Brilliant

[dry cargo]

bureaucracy is an entirely empty word. unless you actually define the work you feel is useless, u are just engaging in pretty empty rambling.

[neat lintel]

You're not that important

[dry cargo]

neither r u!

[dense belfry]

You're just wrong though because you can just define the work you think is useless

[neat lintel]

Weird response, I am aware, you didn't seem aware

[dense belfry]

And if people are aware of your beliefs then you can use words like that with meaning

[vivid halo]

statists when they realize the government they hoped would save them is just a larger scale version of the DMV

[neat lintel]

I think most people see bureaucracy as handling documents, making official paperwork etc. Things that could be sped up or given to a computer to handle if the will was there. We could streamline most official processes if we had enough will.

[vivid halo]

we could streamline most official processes if everyone simply consented to the surveillance state

[neat lintel]

You'll have to elaborate on that one

[vivid halo]

I for one do not want my communications with the government to be more efficient, in fact I would like the literal opposite

[neat lintel]

Efficiency can go hand in hand with privacy and security. These things are not mutually exclusive.

[vivid halo]

yes but unfortunately this is not how this often works in practice

[dry cargo]

often government processes are made willfully inefficient for political reasons though.

like how tax forum assistance companies lobbied the government to kill the irs e filing program they made

[vivid halo]

I haven't filed my taxes

[fringe summit]

And in the US you can’t for free anymore

[neat lintel]

We need strong privacy laws and regulations for this. Enforce encryption and minimise data collection. We can still have super efficient systems. We take what is necessary for it to function and no more.

[latent edge]

For a second I thought this was discussy

Oh wait it is discussy

But 2!

[vivid halo]

[vivid halo]

no?

[fringe summit]

Not directly filing with the irs you can’t

Was carbonite muted?

[silent junco]

same

[neat lintel]

I think there's a big opportunity for any country to absolutely dominate and obliterate every other country in the world in terms of HDI, economic growth and just overall living standards if they apply the principles of efficiency.

[vivid halo]

no?

[dry cargo]

if it were that simple you would think it would already be done.

[analog abyss]

xkcd 2044

[fringe summit]

https://directfile.irs.gov/

Now closed

[vivid halo]

this was not the only free option lmao

there's plenty of other free options that still exist

[neat lintel]

I don't know why you assume that politicians have technical competence or will for this

[dry cargo]

technocratic governments exist but they dont exactly blow literally everyone out of the water.

they do pretty well though

[vivid halo]

IRS free file is still a thing and works if you make less than $84k

[neat lintel]

What?

[neat lintel]

I am yet to witness a technocratic government

Haven't seen one in my 2000 years alive

[dry cargo]

politicians have expert advisement, or what is supposed to be. they arent just swinging a mallot blindly. and when people write policy, they often attempt to write informed policy…

ofc politics is king in things, but even politics itself is often a response to to scientific results and modern knowledge

[vivid halo]

lmao

[neat lintel]

They attempt but they often have no clue because they aren't able to discern information properly. Like how is someone who doesn't know more than basic highschool maths going to write informed policy about AI? We just have to hope that they listen to the right people or that the right people give them money, which is quite unlikely.

[dry cargo]

u wont find some uber technocratic state in line with the vision of the technocratic movement. but the modern governments of Singapore and China are often described that way.

[vivid halo]

it has less to do with them not being able to discern information properly and more to do with being actually evil in most cases

[neat lintel]

China and Singapore are wrongly described that way. They are two extremely ideological governments and are not really technocratic at all even if they apply some elements of a technocracy.

[dry cargo]

yeah i mean. thats kind of my point

its political, theyre completely capable of ot

they have the information and policy at hands to do tjings the way experts want

and they are aware of expert positions

[neat lintel]

Few of the world's problems come from evil. It's very naive to think so. The real culprit is stupidity and ignorance.

[vivid halo]

cope

[neat lintel]

They are not capable at all. Did you go to school?

Think of your class as a representation of society.

[vivid halo]

genocides do not happen out of mere stupidity and ignorance, this is an absolutely childish take

[neat lintel]

People don't magically become competent when they become adults

[neat lintel]

Yes they do

[vivid halo]

name an example

[neat lintel]

WW2 genocide of Jews.

Yes a few evil people at the top, but mostly millions of stupid people

[dry cargo]

u cant just be “not ideological” though. technocrats and positivists are, however ironically, entirely ideological. and just kind of ended up fueling pseudoscientific movements and are found these days holding onto the tail of the republican party, which is entirely and directly anti-science.

[silent junco]

i mean id say aiding and abetting in genocide is pretty evil regardless of whether or not its stupid

[vivid halo]

I'm sorry that you have suffered from lead poisoning

[neat lintel]

Donald Trump is the perfect modern example of how stupidity causes harm.

[fringe summit]

Mercury, perhaps

[silent junco]

if youre going to make this argument, define stupidity

[vivid halo]

a very large portion of his supporters are knowingly cruel rather than ignorant

[neat lintel]

Interesting take

[neat lintel]

Is the intent not important for determining whether something is done out of evil or not?

[neat lintel]

I think you're being very naive

[vivid halo]

I think the same of you

[tight copper]

[tight copper]

🔥

[silent junco]

intent is a different matter. do you seriously believe almost everyone complicit in the holocaust was duped into it somehow?

[neat lintel]

Generally stupidity in this context would encompass behaviour that causes unintended consequences or unawareness of the consequences of the behaviour.

[torpid salmon]

😭 😭 😭

[neat lintel]

Intent is pretty important in my opinion for determining whether someone is acting out of evil. You can call something evil for sure, but if the person who committed the evil wasn't thinking they were then they were stupid. Most people complicit in the holocaust were duped. People are not free thinkers generally.

[silent junco]

being a "free thinker" and being stupid to the extent of being even partially absolved are two entirely different things

[zealous garden]

Ignorant take. It's incredibly naive to think we could solve all disagreements merely by being equally well informed.

[neat lintel]

No amount of knowledge makes you able to think critically

[neat lintel]

I don't think what I'm saying is illogical

[zealous garden]

So [do] you believe in objective morality?

[vivid halo]

it's not, you're just following the logic to very stupid conclusions

[silver scaffold]

yo

[neat lintel]

To a degree yes. But the idea of people being stupid rather than evil isn't dependent on this.

[zealous garden]

Morality and Values aren't objective

[vivid halo]

hot take stupid people are evil

[zealous garden]

You can't use logic to derive moral statements without at least asserting values (themselves arguably moral statements)

[neat lintel]

If you wish good for everyone and the people around you and have a good heart but you are stupid and your actions indirectly lead to harm because you were unaware or unable to comprehend, then stupidity was the reason behind the caused problem and not evil.

[neat lintel]

This is another discussion

[vivid halo]

do you think that most Germans participating in the Holocaust had a "good heart" and "wished good for everyone and for people around them"

[zealous garden]

What on earth does it mean to have a "good heart" or "wish good" for people around you

[zealous garden]

Not at all

[vivid halo]

not committing a genocide for one thing

[zealous garden]

You are supposing this is the moral thing

It is often moral to make someone suffer in the short term for example

[verbal quest]

tfw you open the channel and this is the first thing you see

[neat lintel]

I think most Germans were unaware and thought Hitler would make things better for them and German society.

[zealous garden]

I would say prison sentences are, generally speaking as a concept, moral

But you also need to discipline and train people generally speaking

[light gate]

i think stupidity is evil and humans are inherently evil because of universal cognitive biases—the only way to protect oneself is to have power over other people

[steel sequoia]

nice

[fringe summit]

Peak

[zealous garden]

Everything is evil chat

[vivid halo]

there are levels to this, I think you are heavily discounting the extent to which the average German during that time held cruel and antisemitic views which led them to knowingly and happily support overtly fascist policy

[neat lintel]

@zealous garden I think you can get what I'm saying. Just look at any dictatorship today, like Russia for example. Putin's followers are mostly ignorant, not evil.

[zealous garden]

most Germans were unaware
turning in your neighbor

[dry cargo]

people can comprehend they’re doing harm, but wish it anyways. not everyone who does evil is acting in ignorance. nazi ideology and fascist ideology in general are not movements that act in ignorance, but instead move with the knowing intention to fight who they declare as enemies.

[zealous garden]

No comment

I disagree with your point

[glass peak]

Yeah but it’s just like not the same at all is it

[zealous garden]

Ignorance is unfortunately not the villain

Stupidity is definitely a big bad

[fringe summit]

Teichmuller

[vivid halo]

maybe it's more helpful to illustrate the point in current politics rather than politics from a century ago. Do you have any idea how many people in Europe are completely conscious of the fact that they are openly racist towards Romanis and are happy to joke about migrants drowning in the channel? They are happy to double down on this even

[zealous garden]

But knowledge doesn't solve fundamental disagreements on what is Right and what is even important to optimize in the first place

[neat lintel]

It is ignorance of the real enemies and ultimately causes themselves harm.

[glass peak]

Further than joke about them drowning in the channel, the number who support sending the navy to shoot their boats and cause them to drown

[vivid halo]

the average voter in the UK is like, extremely eager to support mass deportation of any non English person at the moment

I'm not sure this is something you can attribute to ignorance alone

[glass peak]

I’m unsure id say the average, but yeah fair point

Have you seen the interview of the guy who said reform aren’t extreme enough and then quoted mein kampf recently?

[vivid halo]

if the recent protests are any indication I would say this is roughly the average

[zealous garden]

The fact is there are often people who don't just want something different than you, they actively want the opposite. Even when all you want is to live in peace

[glass peak]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bOBxo1q81yA?si=-ZqMWysc1AfRXSYh

[zealous garden]

(There are people who want conflict and nothing more in life. For a non genocidal example, Johnny Somali)

[neat lintel]

I do attribute that to ignorance and stupidity because I see racism as something emergent from that.

[latent edge]

Nope being the exception as usual

[vivid halo]

I think you are blissfully ignorant to how much of this comes from willful malice

[zealous garden]

That's just an incorrect attribution then

[glass peak]

I think there certainly a lot of people in that camp, but I also think the popularity of reform is massively over exaggerated and that not all of their supporters are as extreme in their racism

But it’s absolutely fucked, like there’s no denying there has been an unprecedented rightward swing and increase in racial discrimination and tensions in the UK over the last like 3 years, really particularly in the last year

But the popularity of the greens currently is giving me some hope

[neat lintel]

It's statistically improbable that such a high percentage of the population would be psychopathic

[vivid halo]

I think you underestimate the Machiavellian tendencies of many people

[dry cargo]

That is a stretch. People can choose their enemies. Even if everyone was aware of their true enemies, fascists would choose new enemies as well.

[zealous garden]

You underestimate how many children watched public executions and cheered for gladiators

[zealous garden]

What's that big word mean, is that string theory?

[vivid halo]

if by string you mean noose

[glass peak]

You’re discounting the social factors here. There was propaganda, people were raised being told lies about Jewish people, it was kinda all around. If you’ve been conditioned to accept that someone is acceptable to hate it isn’t even psychotic, because to you it’s just completely normal, it isn’t even hate. And if it is, they deserve it, etc

But there also just are far more people than you would hope that seem to enjoy the suffering of others

[vivid halo]

I don't think that most people are so unaware that they don't recognize the cruelty of these kinds of views

[neat lintel]

Fascists ultimately cause their own demise so it is incredibly stupid. I refuse to believe that a majority of a society would willfully want to end itself and have their community and loved ones destroyed.

[vivid halo]

they are aware enough to justify them

[zealous garden]

But there's a better question to ask, who says cruel means immoral?

[sharp yarrow]

Chat talking about morality

[vivid halo]

based

[light gate]

i think it is possible to have a system of thought that predicts the expected shoulds and don'ts without ever referring to objective morality

after all what an agent thinks is right is just whatever is in their utility function

[dry cargo]

is your only dismissal of fascism that: it is doomed to end in defeat? you cannot know the outcome and neither could they. they thought they would win and they would get away with it and they couldve. some facist regimes survived decades and got away with their crimes.

[neat lintel]

If you have an intended goal and fail then you acted stupid did you not?

[light gate]

if they had won they would make us believe they're right and we would never know the difference, so i think nothing makes fascism inherently unviable

i don't agree with it because i personally value not killing people but that doesn't seem to be a common sentiment

[dry cargo]

yes but that’s not really a heuristic you can use when making decisions in the present.

[neat lintel]

If your goal is to increase GDP and you end up decreasing it then you're pretty stupid right?

[dry cargo]

“if you miss this jumpshot you’re stupid”

[neat lintel]

All governing forms that miss are stupid

[glass peak]

[light gate]

all governments fail to achieve some objectives, hence all governments are stupid???

[glass peak]

Honestly kinda based….

[latent edge]

truth nuke

[light gate]

no!!! i do not think that is a useful model

[neat lintel]

Perhaps, quality of government should probably be thought of as a gradient

[dry cargo]

what if the government succeeds at its evil objectives though

[light gate]

this does not inherently reject fascism either btw

[dry cargo]

or does so through evil

[light gate]

we would not see them as evil!

[neat lintel]

Then it wouldn't be evil

[light gate]

can complete narrative control even exist

[neat lintel]

Assuming that you don't think it's evil

If something evil occurs because you were unaware it's different, then it was ignorance and stupidity

[zealous garden]

I think we as a society place too much stigma on killing people
-# -Murderers probably

[light gate]

malice and evil are separate things i think

[light gate]

-the alt right

[zealous garden]

Do you not believe in the death penalty?

[light gate]

i don't

[zealous garden]

I do

I think it's a necessity

[light gate]

for...?

[neat lintel]

@zealous garden Do you feel like punching me

[zealous garden]

My hyperbolic conclusion is that I believe in the return of roman gladius

Heinous criminals should be made to participate in death games for the amusement of the rest of us

Punish criminals + Generate value + Reduce population strain

Win Win Win

https://tenor.com/view/shiro-deadman-wonderland-anime-girl-happy-gif-12793647

[warm lance]

do you know what a criminal feels

[light gate]

have you heard of the brutalisation effect

[zealous garden]

No but it sounds like something a pussy would say

[light gate]

also the 3rd factor here is a non-issue unless you expect to kill a significant proportion of the population

[zealous garden]

Pain, after I hurt them

[zealous garden]

The entire prison population

[dry cargo]

kind of. its rather more like the average person is wrapped up in culture of the moment. there are always undercurrents to whatever is going on in the mainstream culture though.

the nazis did a complete take over of society, every organized group of people from bookclubs to sports clubs was forced into the party line or made illegal. and even then people had opinions event if they couldn’t voice them. more just forced into the machinations of a machine they despised, but participated in to survive. you could loosely estimate this section of germany society at no more than 20%-35% of germans at the time.

[warm lance]

you must become a criminal to know

[zealous garden]

https://tenor.com/view/criminal-spiderman-im-something-of-a-criminal-myself-something-i'm-something-gif-6673480935923617028

[vast wraith]

blocking you for this

[zealous garden]

Wait no don't

[warm lance]

I'm guessing they feel shame

[light gate]

• devaluation of life
• erosion of moral horror
• sends message that state-sanctioned killings are ok and encouraged
• causes higher homicide rates (this is debated but there is a correlation between the death penalty and increased homicides)

[neat lintel]

I could end all poverty

[zealous garden]

Holy shit you weren't joking?

I'm confused but go wild

[light gate]

agreed, but i suspect a significant portion of the population disagreed—i think for fascism to work in the long run the state must have near-total agreement to dehumanise certain groups of people

[zealous garden]

I don't buy the third point

[light gate]

you literally proposed violent executions as public entertainment

[neat lintel]

All the world's problems are really easy to solve. Theoretically we can sort out extreme poverty, climate change, education and most other important things within a decade.

[zealous garden]

If Execution of heinous tried and convicted criminals = state sanctioned killings, then I think that's a good thing to accept. If by the latter you mean to include disappearing people from their homes that's a different discussion

[dry cargo]

you would be surprised. the nazi party in shanghai held an election allowing other parties, 3 months after hitlers suicide. they won around 80% of the vote.

[light gate]

this is a rare case where i think "Think of the children!" is appropriate

[light gate]

im aware of that; we might disagree on what "significant" means

[zealous garden]

I have some measure of agreement with this

[zealous garden]

You say it would cause a devaluation of life, but I honestly think not having it creates further detachment from your mortality, which often leads to immorality

[light gate]

what??? are you suggesting that people in countries without the death penalty are unaware of death, and hence immoral????

[zealous garden]

No

[neat lintel]

@light gate Naive

[zealous garden]

I'm suggesting people living in circumstances with threats of death removed become further detached from the reality of their mortality

[light gate]

k

[zealous garden]

And that detachment from this reality, mortality, leads to many immoralities

Attempting to build vain eternal empires for example

[light gate]

you realise you're conflating "threats of death" and "death penalty"?

[zealous garden]

The death penalty is a threat of death

Is it the only one? No

[light gate]

then why would your argument hold

[light gate]

• you're proposing a much stronger claim than the death penalty

[zealous garden]

Removing water from the basin doth lower the level

[light gate]

not for most people

[zealous garden]

Yes, but I've also said this is my hyperbolic conclusion

[light gate]

you have not justified this either

[zealous garden]

This is the most extreme version of my position I'm willing to entertain, I have reservations

[zealous garden]

Well I'm not sure what you want me to justify about it, but I'm willing to try. There are certain individuals who should not be allowed to live. For the safety of ourselves it is necessary that we are willing to take the lives of others. So the question becomes what separates self defense from the death penalty? The death penalty is (ostensibly) a direct extension of self defense principles. Perhaps one is to argue this is too "retaliatory" as the death penalty is only ever enacted after a period where it's arguably been shown that continued captivity is a viable method. If captivity is not possible in some scenario, this in itself becomes an argument for the death penalty.

Heinous criminals held in captivity still poison the pool of us all, performing interviews, eventually leaving in some cases, interacting with friends, family, and their keepers. Depending on the nature of their dangers, all of these bring further risks which depending on their character and natur of their crime, may warrant some "self defense".

And while it's not a "necessity" argument exactly, I believe that if you sneak into a house and murder an entire family with children in their sleep, and try to frame someone for it, you should be killed. There are certain acts that are unforgivably heinous. Prison is a place for rehabilitation, and you deserve only punishment. Punishment is not something I would generally like the state in charge of, Death puts it in the hands of our creator. Furthermore, I generally abide by a principal that if you attempt to kill something you are consenting for that thing to try to kill you, so the criminal can't complain.

For example, Charles Manson would be a great death penalty recipient

Many fans even in prison, stories and movies about him, got there in the first place by leading a cult and attempting to initiate a racewar, guilty of murder of a family by conspiracy

His continued life was a positive cognitohazard he had already shown willingness to utilize

[light gate]

@zealous garden please type your thoughts! i'll reply later because i have something on rn

[zealous garden]

I mean say you find "The Beast", someone like Luis Garavito, probably guilty of unspeakable crimes and claims himself to be guilty of more, not many individuals boast a triple digit body count of mostly children

Now he wasn't sentenced to death, but I have a hard time giving water to any argument which suggests he shouldn't have been

Every breath he drew was a disgrace to the breaths he stole, so unless your plan is to extract some value which makes his continued existence not a spit in the face, then you should kill him

In fact you should make it a spectacle. Raise awareness of his atrocity to hinder its recurrence, make an example of the threat, remove the threat

The right kind of spectacle even becomes a producer of capital, rather than a drain

The gladiator game is a hyperbolic conclusion for illustrative purposes, one point being it's not only about the dangers they could pose, and crimes they have comitted, but even what potential good could come from them at this point?

And so from that last angle, we may extract some good even from those who are truly irredeemable

As the biggest argument about the sanctity of life tends to be about its potential, you don't know what kind of leaf a person could turn. It's also why children are often valued, they are typically innocent of wrongdoing, ignorant of many evils, and due to this have a much greater potential to embrace the goods in the world, as well as much more potential in general for their greater plasticity and available time

I do not buy any arguments of "who are we to say who lives or dies", the only ones there are that's who

This is the natural position, the natural embargo.

You make children, you choose life. You hunt, you choose death. You distribute the food from the hunt, you choose life.

But the modern child often doesn't even truly understand that a death is what's responsible for the food on their plate

This leads to a lack of moral culpability for the meal, and further immoralities against your duty to man and nature as an arbiter of life and death

Not because you're special, but because none of us are

[zealous garden]

This to me is a sentiment that is trying to run away from the reality of living a life as an animal on Earth

[zealous garden]

This sentiment is a result of realizing I have to share a lonely space rock with monsters that have existed that are too numerous to enumerate

Death is for the irredeemable. For the others, teach them how to be better. For the devils that feel for themselves, show the others like them to keep behaving. It's a survival need

Oh did you decide to read it?

[light gate]

i'll reply tonight, probably in a few hours

[zealous garden]

Oh no someone said "I ain't reading allat" then deleted their message when I was about to reply

I could say more but I think I started to just wax poetic about my opinion of the function of death and how it's been disrespected by modern life but that's actually mostly disjoint from this topic I think

[light gate]

,iam studying

[fathom swallow]

Gave you the studying! selfrole.

[fresh comet]

[tawny knoll]

Nobody's reading alla that lil bro 😭🙏

[neat lintel]

1st sentence sounds like a ChatGPT response, then I scroll a lil bit down and see bro talk about death and the devil

[magic sleet]

I honestly don't know why ppl become "over criminals" in the first place, as in the type of thing you suggest the death penalty for

[zealous garden]

The devil? Where

[zealous garden]

Do I care?

https://tenor.com/view/bugs-bunny-bunny-no-nope-nou-gif-13480425249407915803

[tawny knoll]

Sybau

[zealous garden]

Huh?

[tawny knoll]

Um nothing

[zealous garden]

The "I'm not sure what you want me to justify" bit?

I was being dodgy about the intent of my claim being that the death penalty is a moral necessity, and not a literal necessity, as I only said "necessity" in the original post

Which changes the goalpost considerably

Of course you don't literally need the death sentence. It's not like I'll have a heart attack if they cease lethal injection or the chair

[light saddle]

Let’s solve p np problem

[idle steppe]

n obviously just equals 1

or p=0

done

QED

[upbeat orchid]

@neat lintel here ok?

[neat lintel]

Yes, If speaking with myself is not considered as a spam. Don't ask me how I came to such conclusion

[neat lintel]

You know what, I actually tried speaking with myself in one of the servers I visited. They said that it was a spam and I got banned. I don't know what else to do in an empty chat.

[upbeat orchid]

My bad for late replying

[neat lintel]

No need to apolgise I was speaking with myself.

(YES feel misreable)

[upbeat orchid]

What I meant was sometimes we don’t see our mistakes or what we did wrong (I understand how you felt that you did nothing wrong) but it’s better to see a different perspective on what you did .
To be honest I don’t care what you did in math discussion, but I thought it would be better to help you understand since you’re new here.
So if they mentioned anything you did wrong you could just start again .
Like how Metroid mentioned .

[neat lintel]

I think you are about to send a very big massage.

[neat lintel]

I did not see what Metroid said. But I am happy because you are a good person. I hope everyone was like you. And I don't think I will say sorry to anyone though.

[upbeat orchid]

Well that’s the benefits of being emotionally intelligent 😅

[upbeat orchid]

#math-discussion message I meant this is what he said

I thought you were a good person since you admitted you were wrong on the conversation you had

#math-discussion message

[neat lintel]

I tried speaking about math competition and how the chinses got perfect math scores. But no one engaged with me. whenever I try to speak with someone they just stay silent or ignore me.

[neat lintel]

Yeah

[upbeat orchid]

It’s difficult at the start ,but math discussion is primarily about discussing math related topics , you can discuss here or in #discussion yeah the people there write a lot but you can engage with them and get used to it .

#serious-discussion is more dead 😅

[neat lintel]

I have no tomorrow.

[neat lintel]

I don't mind it.

[upbeat orchid]

?

[neat lintel]

Want to speak about how the Chinese lefted the entire world in the dust?

[upbeat orchid]

Tbh , I can’t right now , but you’ll eventually find someone better than me!

[neat lintel]

Yeah, don't worry about it. I think I also draned my social energy. So rejecting this offer was actually the best choice you could do for both of us!

[upbeat orchid]

Good luck on your journey here !

[neat lintel]

That’s very kind of you to say, I will try my best to reconnect on the server!

[tawdry pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/pikmin-blue-pikmin-bruce-lee-water-pikmin-meme-gif-7720874111305677660

[cerulean sage]

ts so true

[warm lance]

the water does not become the cup

[tawdry pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/tweaking-gif-422986456194430824

me trying not to post gifs in discussy

[tawdry pecan]

it does in a poetic sense, it takes on the shape of the cup

[brazen mulch]

it takes on
cups,,,

[visual bison]

WAIT

[hardy iron]

Ah slowmode

[foggy meadow]

What?

[visual bison]

Uhhh

I sent that like

30 min ago

I dunno how it took that long

[ocean harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1017309011974037504/1378077293200674969/tumblr_68cbdbd8c8f23e60618f1c0977dec15c_eaf41d7c_1280.webp

[foggy meadow]

Me RN:

[ocean harbor]

how it goes

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[tawdry pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cat-scratcy-belly-scratch-scratch-my-bellay-gif-2280846901566400247

[ocean harbor]

car

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-bingus-review-insane-gif-21498542

[wise bloom]

cute kitty

[ocean harbor]

[wise bloom]

yooooooo

,av @ocean harbor

[fathom swallow]

kensukeken's Avatar

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[wise bloom]

wow

[ocean harbor]

thats dms pfp

[wise bloom]

oh

[ocean harbor]

,av --server

[fathom swallow]

kensukeken's Avatar

Click here to view the GIF.

[wise bloom]

lmao

this is also cute

,av --server

[fathom swallow]

oppailol. has no server avatar set.

Nov 9, 2025, 3:50 AM

[ocean harbor]

[wise bloom]

lmao

[ocean harbor]

its only for nitro users

[warm lance]

,av oppailol.

[fathom swallow]

oppailol.'s Avatar

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[wise bloom]

Guys you all know about Collatz Theorem

[ocean harbor]

[warm lance]

no, not me

[wise bloom]

sorry i meant Collatz Conjecture *

[warm lance]

but I've been seeing um

LaTeXes of that

[ocean harbor]

i feel like u kept this pfp for a year

[wise bloom]

Man i have made a fun site called collatz scribbles
where you all can see magic of collatz conjecture on any number (1-10000)
please try and give reviews
it generates a collatz seqyence graph how number ends to 1

https://collatz-scribbles.onrender.com

So any reviews ?

like any suggestions which you all would love

[warm lance]

it's 5% laggy for me

but it's usable

[wise bloom]

oh actually sorry guys i have deployed on render

[warm lance]

on mobile btw

[wise bloom]

its like this only the platform is free because

;-;

@warm lance so how do you like it or dont
any improvement suggestion ??

this is version 1.1

[warm lance]

i guess I'll go neutral. 5/10

50-50

[zealous garden]

any number? are you sure about that?

[wise bloom]

ok thanks for the review
what would you like me to improve

[warm lance]

but ofc it's impressive that you've made smth like this

[wise bloom]

no any number b/w 1 - 10000

where you all can see magic of collatz conjecture on any number (1-10000)

[zealous garden]

oh yeah? what about e

[warm lance]

the shapes output

[wise bloom]

noice try typing it

i need to know glitches also

[warm lance]

btw, my rating is more on the aesthetic part

[wise bloom]

okok so like what shapes should i do we have diamond star and circle for nodes

[zealous garden]

truncates input to 2 using standard integer conversion it seems

[warm lance]

i feel like simpler shapes might be better

[wise bloom]

the form sends input as int(input) thats why

[zealous garden]

I thought it was something like that

Good aesthetic work

[wise bloom]

so how do you like it i will fix this in version 1.2

[zealous garden]

ngl, I've only read like 5 words on the page

[wise bloom]

i just need reviews

[agile fiber]

to be honest i don't particularly see the benefit of the ladder visualization

[wise bloom]

its meant for that
for simplification

[zealous garden]

in that case great job

[bronze pelican]

@wise bloom Why did you make this website

[zealous garden]

I'm not reading a damn thing and I'm loving it

[zealous garden]

don't you have passions?

[wise bloom]

actually sorry but i have constructed the graph structure through msyelf using networkx

if you want i could change the graph structure

any suggestions are welcome

[bronze pelican]

My passions can be explained a bit

[wise bloom]

man this was my project or passion making sites for all conjectures
the two i love
goldbach
collatz

[zealous garden]

you need to enigmamax

[wise bloom]

this is first in them

@agile fiber so what should be graph structure according to you

[zealous garden]

Let me know when you're ready to make a site for my conjectures

[wise bloom]

like for improvement just tell me i would change it definitely

[wise bloom]

which ones?

lmao

[zealous garden]

if only if only the woodpecker sighs

[wise bloom]

i am worried cause like cloud told something like graph structure is not good

[bronze pelican]

Damn bro. Thats really the reason? Not to get better at webdev or something like that?

[wise bloom]

please tell him to guide which structure he wants

i can change

i have seperate code to generate graph structure only

[warm lance]

anyway, i didn't know collatz definition is that simple

[wise bloom]

@agile fiber which graph structure you want

[zealous garden]

Most interesting conjecture to ME at the moment is whether every isometry in O(p,q,r) is the composition of at most p+q+2r reflections through hyperplanes

[wise bloom]

yes

[warm lance]

but i forgot

[wise bloom]

no not possible

man i am not even able to understand lmao

hyperplanes?

[bronze pelican]

Don't worry its esoteric

[wise bloom]

lmao

[zealous garden]

we know for certain they are all compositions of some number of reflections

[foggy meadow]

Wraithlord is like a wizard.

[wise bloom]

Guys one genuine question what would you all like to improve

please tell i am writing it down

[foggy meadow]

I like the UI a lot.

[zealous garden]

It's good... but... you know...

there's no dark theme

https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736

(good work)

[ocean harbor]

emo

[wise bloom]

man

if i will give dark theme

i feel it would be cooked

cause numbers font and color in the modal graph is black

i have to write something to change it to white then when someone turns it black

[zealous garden]

affine subspaces of codimension 1

[wise bloom]

but sure would add

ok i have written dark theme mode

anything else

@agile fiber sir what graph structure should i use

[warm lance]

,av

[fathom swallow]

usrcard's Avatar

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[warm lance]

vs
,av oppailol.

,av oppailol.

[fathom swallow]

oppailol.'s Avatar

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[warm lance]

who's the most smug

[agile fiber]

idk but preferably something where the layout has some meaning about the behavior

[wise bloom]

please guide

[warm lance]

show your collatz cloud lol

[wise bloom]

like behaviour like number of steps for that number

it takes to reach 1 ?

[agile fiber]

well that's already included

but maybe have it go a different direction depending on whether you have a 3n + 1 step vs an n/2 step or something like that

[wise bloom]

oh

man i was like thinking to show a sequential graph
could you like be more specific

if possible

[wise bloom]

like this

we can do like this but we have sites for this right already ??

and like it shows distribution among steps right?

[warm lance]

-# courtesy of mpl
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1425944256534810625/1425944396041551974/237320168198504448.png?ex=6910fab4&is=690fa934&hm=09b9b3f909cbd596263b024ec4720a8b1494fcdca49595c4d28a9ba5b63784c4&

[wise bloom]

like this ?

man general people would not be able to understand
i was thinking to keep it as fun site

[warm lance]

i mean after reading the definition (which i forgot) the graph makes sense now

,w collatz conjecture

[fathom swallow]

Results provided by WolframAlpha

Click here to refine your query online
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Requested by usrcard

[warm lance]

if even, halves

if odd, 3a+1

[wise bloom]

yes

ok lemme think of something

[ripe crow]

Hello there

[tropic pivot]

Hello

[ripe crow]

Hey

[tropic pivot]

How are you bro?

[zinc nexus]

fine buddy hows going

[ripe crow]

.....

[tropic pivot]

All good.

[brazen mulch]

silly goobers right here

[pseudo gull]

no slowmo here

[rose ridge]

Yuppie

[soft bridge]

[tough stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-gif-13124952568693365183

[pseudo gull]

[tropic pivot]

[dusky fossil]

Can anyone teach me how to make some money? i need money

[ocean harbor]

get a job

[rose ridge]

Wok at McDonald's

[ocean harbor]

or if u got some talent maybe create a yt channel

[rose ridge]

Or scam people

That's easy

[ocean harbor]

that's probably not a good idea

[rose ridge]

Yeah you have to know how to scam

Or you will get scammed

[ocean harbor]

no I mean u ended up getting in jail

[tropic wagon]

why r there two discussions

[lone relic]

you sir are a genius

[frank pebble]

to get bored twice

[tropic wagon]

wait thats what

thats what

OVERSIMPLIFIED

[lone relic]

huh

[tropic wagon]

nvm you dont know the reference

[ocean harbor]

bc #discussion is always weird these days

[tropic wagon]

i hope same doesnt happen w this

yk even if you make a road wider to speed up traffic it will still get congested by time

[ocean harbor]

true

[night garden]

Ugh

Finally no slow mode here

[opaque hazel]

Send a complicated statement that takes days to understand

[deep mango]

It was originally created as an overflow

discussion can only handle like 6 simultaneous conversations at once

[tropic wagon]

optimally should, usually does or is only capable of

?

[deep mango]

Only capable of

[tropic wagon]

dam

anyway

ill come in some timeeating dinner

so chat bye for now

also preboards in two weeks 😭

[sacred island]

vegeta is bald

[jovial echo]

are u 10th grade gang?

[sacred island]

@rose ridge i saw u..

[rose ridge]

[rose ridge]

Do you read manhwas?

[sacred island]

sometimes yes :))

mostly webnovels and mangas

[rose ridge]

Me too

[sacred island]

thats fucking dope

have u read that

codename anastasia

[rose ridge]

Yes but don't like it because r*pe plot

They always ruin it with that

[sacred island]

even in mangas idk why thats a thing

i mostly read chinese webnovels and its pretty rare and they dont describe it vividly

[rose ridge]

Yeah i love heaven officials blessing

[sacred island]

i have it saved lol

ill read it soon

have u read

grandmaster of demonic cultivation?>

[rose ridge]

Yeaa

[sacred island]

that makes it more beautful

i really liked clannad

it was so tragic and funny

[sacred island]

the novel or manhwa?

[rose ridge]

Mc and ml are so beautifully drawn in manhwa version

[rose ridge]

Both

[sacred island]

its so rare to come across a person that has

what about renegade immortal, reverend insanity, lord of the mysteries, shadow slave, pursuit of truth, i shall tear the heavens?

thousand autumns?

[rose ridge]

I heard of them but haven't read them yet

[sacred island]

i sort of like how chinese translates into english

its very simple, easy to read and elegant at the same time

[rose ridge]

I want to learn chinese because it's so interesting

[sacred island]

What languages do u speak?

[rose ridge]

Yeah when translators are good but i have read some very bad translations you want to bush your head in

[sacred island]

Oh fuck i forgot about that

brainrot translation

[sacred island]

i will be learning it next year

i wld start now but im tryna get into programming

[tawny knoll]

Sybau

[sacred island]

lowtier ragebait bro

1000 elo

[rose ridge]

who invited you

[tawny knoll]

Sybau dawg 🥀

[tawny knoll]

Wow

Rude

[sacred island]

silence it, ignoramus hippopotymus

[tawny knoll]

What in the harry potter

[ocean harbor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/769817529253494814/850960016827482172/image0-4.gif

[rose ridge]

You shall speak when you're spoken to

[magic python]

NOOO POOR KIMTY

[night garden]

Have u read lotm

[night garden]

Sybau

[ocean harbor]

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[fathom swallow]

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[ocean harbor]

cute car

[tawny knoll]

You're not the Queen

[tawny knoll]

Nope

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/twgcf-gif-23549997

[night garden]

Sorry wrong person

[tawny knoll]

I've just heard about it i guess

[night garden]

Have u read LoTM

[tawny knoll]

WOAH

Okay fuck you 😭🥀

[night garden]

I wasnt tryna be rude mb 😭
I genuinely replied to the wrong person

Sybau kid

[sacred island]

some parts ill finish later

[ocean harbor]

pls shut the fuck up

[tawny knoll]

Fair fair I'm just cooler maybe your instincts kicked in

[night garden]

Have u ever joined any lotm servers

[sacred island]

no ew

[night garden]

I feel like ive seen u b4

Mkay

[night garden]

Stfu

Dont disrespect me kid

[tawny knoll]

Sybau

Ravt q viaba

How the fuck did you even come up with that

Ew

[opaque hazel]

It's so silent here it's perfect

[magic python]

:3

[opaque hazel]

:3

[magic python]

Everywhere needs a little :3

[vocal vessel]

[wraith magnet]

:3

[opaque hazel]

Fr 😔

:3

[magic python]

:3

[opaque hazel]

You guys what are ya doing besides studying ?

[magic python]

Wondering what the hell is happening to me, hbu?

[opaque hazel]

For me I am watching a video in YouTube 🙂

[magic python]

Nice :3

[tropic wagon]

jes

[neat lintel]

Hi

[opaque hazel]

Some people reacting over all Pixar shorts 😭💔 because I love a lot animation tbh, so I just watch anything interesting

[neat lintel]

I am new here

[jovial echo]

nice

[opaque hazel]

And I usually like their commentary

[jovial echo]

hi

[opaque hazel]

Hai ! There ! Welcome to the Mathcord !

[neat lintel]

Thank you ^_^

[ocean harbor]

who even r u

[tropic wagon]

man if yk igcse the board atl in gr 10 it gives you EIGHT subs

😭

and i dont even like a fair lot of em

theres maths (goated, tho ez)

[jovial echo]

igcse NOT relatable gang

[tropic wagon]

thank god it isnt

yea no theres maths and the three sciences that i do good in

[night garden]

Do ik u?

[tropic wagon]

but then theres english

no prob w the language

[ocean harbor]

no?

[tropic wagon]

but then

[ocean harbor]

and i dont either lol

[tropic wagon]

u have to write a lot

😭

[night garden]

Ok then shush

[tropic wagon]

even if u dont

[ocean harbor]

ur not even active

[tropic wagon]

i suck at managing time in writing

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/i'm-new-here-say-hi-discord-im-new-here-say-hi-im-new-here-say-hi-discord-new-member-discord-new-gif-8065649195492145845

[tropic wagon]

das crazy

[wraith magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/white-role-gif-7716361205153117928

[opaque hazel]

Dear Mathematician ? What do you think of Animation ? 🙂👽

And ya genres in it

[ocean harbor]

@civic seal hi im moving here cuz discussy is so ass

come chat here

[civic seal]

‏For me, this module is interesting so i need
‏Study it in very detail

[ocean harbor]

fair

does ur class material looks like this?

if u know whats this 👀

[civic seal]

I haven't reached this stage yet

[ocean harbor]

icic

[civic seal]

Do you have some good books?

[sacred island]

what degree

[ocean harbor]

ya im currently using it for my course 🙂

[civic seal]

Can you sent it to me

I really need it
I didn't find any detailed book

[ocean harbor]

its called digital principles by roger l. tokheim, i can share u the pdf in dms if u want

[ocean harbor]

biomedical engineering

[civic seal]

Share it please

[ocean harbor]

done

[sacred island]

is physical chemistry super imp for u

[ocean harbor]

imo the book is helpful since it shows a lot good exercises

u should definitely check em

[ocean harbor]

i havent taken physical chem yet

and i dont think ill do this in my degree

[pure hollow]

I don't think you'll need chem for biomedical engineering

[ocean harbor]

ya

there is a course im gonna take for 2nd year and its called medical terminology

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-cat-huh-small-cat-huh-what-gif-2593177363967991691

[sacred island]

i have an entire library of books for ur degree

😭

[civic seal]

Im cs

[ocean harbor]

which books?

[ocean harbor]

im sorry for ur loss 😭

hope it goes well for u

[sacred island]

theres thousands bro 😭

[ocean harbor]

fair

[civic seal]

Unfortunately, the professors who teach us have no connection to this domain

[ocean harbor]

all the best

[ocean harbor]

im sure ur referring to biomedical science

recommend me some good books from ur library

[sacred island]

only if you're good at keeping secrets

[ocean harbor]

secrets? im probably good at this (maybe)

[sacred island]

friend req send

[dense ridge]

should i try leaving myself at some random door to be adopted?

[pulsar hedge]

Twin take me with you

[unique terrace]

hi

[brazen mulch]

this?

[rose ridge]

Bruh 3h later

[brazen mulch]

yes

not regretting

[rose ridge]

[opaque hazel]

0 10sec timeout :D

I thought people were intelligent enough to just switch from discussion one to #2 😭💔

[analog abyss]

I know a few servers with a main discussion (with cool-down) and a second discussion (without cool-down) and weirdly this is a universal trend

[rose ridge]

It's too much work

[brazen mulch]

discussy the second is great for being calm

[cedar shore]

im investing on this channel while the demand is low

60% equity for $10k

[brazen mulch]

i'm fighting for just 45% for $10k

...oh wait
that raises the evaluation

[mint canopy]

Truly wonderful

[fresh comet]

[simple token]

im told this department is way better

on a completely unrelated note has anyone seen the island

[oak pawn]

The one where there are people who are cloned just for their body parts?

[simple token]

that one

am i on the island here in discussy2?

[rose ridge]

Likely

[raw stump]

where can i learn a-level AS further maths conent, im only just starting

[misty vortex]

Yo

[dusky fossil]

Is anyone here into investing and investments ?

[visual breach]

I think many people are into investing now

Which is a good indicator that market is overvalued

[polar temple]

Eh, it's pretty hard to find with a 1 in 65536 chance to become visible

[polar temple]

Yo I did further maths let's talk in private

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sisyphus-slide-espresso-gif-16709923176714960132

[scarlet mango]

@royal tangle im sorry for behaving like that. i got lost af and lost the mood to continue the convo. trust me, i know how annoying i got to a point

and sorry for tagging ya

gotta go detox

[royal tangle]

go take a break, its easy to make mistakes in the heat of the moment

make your messages count, theyre there forever

usually when things dont go the right way for me, I try to go back and figure out what went wrong
so Ill propose something that maybe you can chew on

so far, youve proven that (n choose i) sums to 2^n
and youve noticed that 2^n = |P(A)|
but since we cant use the weird proof that that is true, youll need to prove that 2^n and |P(A)| are the same a different way
informally, we can expect that they must be the same, but even informally, youve just said "this 2^|A| I got is probably |P(A)|, Ive read a weird line about it but its hard to remember it even being true"
(its probably that A^B notation to denote functions from B to A, its weird as hell to get used to)

so if you want to, informally or otherwise, write a proof to show that 2^n = |P(A)|, youll need to use something involving what we can trust, what we know
already we've proven (n choose i) sums to 2^n, what about a different way of viewing (n choose i) that allows them to also sum to |P(A)|?

you likely were going to head in this direction, I was pointing out that youd need to mention this
that way, you are essentially proving:
|P(A)| = ∑ (n choose i) = 2^n
^ this ^ (6i) did this
so that finally |P(A)| = 2^n
informal or otherwise, youll need to show that first equals sign is correct if you head in this direction

[scarlet mango]

you're right. i didn't exactly mention it, but i was gonna go along the lines of: "we first choose 0 elements of A, then we choose 1, then 2... then n, and summing them all together results in 2^n". and i mentioned a hypothetical like "what if we were asked to prove |P(A)| in the final exams?" . I wondered if it would be sufficient as a proof to just say what i said in the first quotation marks, having proven the sum of n choose i

[royal tangle]

yes there we go, you hadnt mentioned that in your P2

I first said that you shouldve
informally? Id believe it, and for a reason unique to this statement

this is a common method of proving that |P(A)| = 2^n

the idea of |P(A)| and 2^n are so similar that the respective proofs would be extremely close

now sure youre not doing induction here since its informal, but if I saw this Id agree its a solid approach

now if we were to do this formally, I dont think you need that induction actually

[scarlet mango]

even in a final exam?

[royal tangle]

in a final exam, formal only

informal means like you ask someone after the exam on whether an approach works or not

and they, and I, go "yep"

[royal tangle]

formally, you could just begin with "there are (n choose k) subsets with exactly k elements"

then reason then that since every subset has between k=0 and k=n elements,

there are (n choose 0) + ... + (n choose n) subsets

or 2^n subsets

[hazy shore]

how does x€R:x>0 make sense

because if x is greater than 0 then x is real

[scarlet mango]

i see

[hazy shore]

doesnt this mean x is real such that x is greater than 0

[royal tangle]

yea it does

you could just get away with {x > 0} or really (0, ∞)

but sometimes the > symbol is more than just greater than

so its good to be specific
tbh I wouldnt, Id just go with "positive"

[scarlet mango]

if the question was asked like this: "prove that |P(A)| = 2^(|A|) via induction." could i use the method you just showed me? it still counts as induction right?

[hazy shore]

i dont get how saying the domain of sqrt(x) is x€R:x>=0 shouldnt it be sqrt(x)€R:x>=0

because why are we saying x itself is real

[royal tangle]

now that is where the methods differ, there is in fact an easier method (also using induction) that proves this more directly

[royal tangle]

the left side tells you what set x is in

the right side tells you conditions on this x

[hazy shore]

ohh

[royal tangle]

so the right side is supposed to limit x in R to be "all the x in R that fit thse conditions"

[hazy shore]

makes sense

[scarlet mango]

i mean the proof with n choose k is literally 3 lines long tho

[hazy shore]

its just that saying ‘such that’ makes it sound different

[royal tangle]

well you do need to then insert the original (n choose i) proof

that bumps it up a few lines

[scarlet mango]

i see

[royal tangle]

now if we just prove that theyre equal directly with induction, the proof would definitely be shorter

heres a common way:

[hazy shore]

oh i think im just bad at english lmao

i didnt filly undersyand what such that meant

i thought such that meant “this is true only if this condition”

[royal tangle]

let B be A with an extra element b, so |B| = |A| + 1
then note that there are 2^|A| subsets that have b, and 2^|A| subsets that do not have b
so they add to show that |P(B)| = 2^|A| + 2^|A| = 2^|B|

[scarlet mango]

its good to search the logical definitions in maths because they will remain the same. if you get one of them wrong, youll be doing the wrong maths until you correct it

[hazy shore]

yup

[royal tangle]

the specific words you choose matter more and more as you move forward in math

[hazy shore]

just misinterpreted the english

[scarlet mango]

how do we just know that there are 2^|A| subsets that have b ...? i cant even think of why this is true, let alone prove it

[royal tangle]

well put it this way

we already can count all the subsets of A

now consider a function that just inserts the element b in there

keep in mind |B| = |A| + 1, so this element b must be different from all other elements of A

(otherwise |B| = |A|)

so youre still counting the exact same subsets as before, just with an extra element at the end that is always there, or alternatively always not there

in either case, the count remains the same

Im not sure to what extent you need to formally explain this

[royal tangle]

it might just be enough to point this out, then state the subset line

[scarlet mango]

how do we arrive at 2^|A| tho?

[royal tangle]

thats the inductive hypothesis

well its a poorly written one

[scarlet mango]

lol

[royal tangle]

itd be better to have the inductive hypothesis be more general of "any set with n elements"

so that B would be a set with n + 1 elements

the inductive hypothesis of "any set with n elements has 2^n subsets"

[scarlet mango]

this is def not easier to understand