serious-discussion

[jaunty ibex]

Math majors are so hot

[elfin smelt]

these are specifically different than regular frieze patterns. two things with the same name

[velvet dagger]

• Analysis and dynamics on quotients of buildings (current project falls under that umbrella)
• Combo/CS side of high-dimensional expanders (including applications to (quantum) error correction)
• Cohomology of arithmetic groups

[bronze pelican]

Everyone can learn & do math

[velvet dagger]

Are my top 3

[latent edge]

I feel like this was directed to me.

[timid bronze]

pure math is so hard breh and its not really something i wanna do. but i respect passion in ppl and always tell my friends speak their heart out on their passion in my dms

[latent edge]

SL_2(Z) mentioned

[timid bronze]

even if i dont understand it

[velvet dagger]

Hey thank you! :) I really appreciate it. And hey chem is no walk in the park either and you're rocking it

[timid bronze]

i like listening

[bronze pelican]

You don't have to be a math major

[elfin smelt]

we have similar interests haha

[latent edge]

that's really based lmao

[timid bronze]

Well i better or ill be causing an explosion in the lab..

[pure hollow]

nG is a bit different

[bronze pelican]

I really respect those who study math for their own personal enrichment outside of the academic ladder

[timid bronze]

this too

[latent edge]

I am doing math whether I stay in academia or not

[velvet dagger]

Yeah I don't anticipate staying in academia at this rate

Get to blame DOGE instead of myself for that :P

[timid bronze]

MAGA my ass

[pure hollow]

I do math outside academia

[bronze pelican]

LOL same

[velvet dagger]

But honestly I'm not too upset because truth be told I'm not sure research is my speed

Like I'm just as happy to learn existing math from 10 areas and not do original things

Perhaps even happier

Compared to doing research in a specific one

Plus I can branch out from math a bit

[timid bronze]

cna u do research in why america hasnt enforced age limits on presidency yet?

[jovial ember]

Dami do u graduate this year

[elfin smelt]

fun fact, UMNs harmonic analysis and automorphic representations seminar is abbreviated to HAAR

[bronze pelican]

Dami more like fami-ly

[latent edge]

That's clever lol

[velvet dagger]

Quantum physics, neuroscience, philosophy, psychology, history, etc

[velvet dagger]

Yeah this coming academic year is my last. I'll be remote

[jovial ember]

Isn’t it swag that we keep breaking oldest president records election after election

Let’s aim to be number one!

[jovial ember]

So you don’t graduate this year

And why tf u remote

Where u living if not the glorious pastures of Madison Wisconsin

[velvet dagger]

My advisor is in Australia, and that way I don't have to TA during job apps

[jovial ember]

Oh

[bronze pelican]

Peak

[jovial ember]

Are you gonna be in Australia?

[timid bronze]

speaking of australia

[elfin smelt]

i hear au is really bad for math academia…

[timid bronze]

i. never knew how jacked kangaroos were

[bronze pelican]

Why

[velvet dagger]

Nah I'll be in Texas

[timid bronze]

like wtf

[jovial ember]

G’day mate!

[jovial ember]

Why

[velvet dagger]

🫂

[velvet dagger]

With family

[jovial ember]

Yeah they modeled themselves off of me

[timid bronze]

in elementary school they made them seem so cute and tiny

[bronze pelican]

Its obvious

[timid bronze]

but bro theyre jacked

[jovial ember]

O

[timid bronze]

NOT IN ELEM?

[velvet dagger]

My advisor will advise me online, I'll be with family so no expenses

[bronze pelican]

Nah kangaroo can knock u out

Ez

[timid bronze]

i just know all the lady kangaroos r going crazy over them

[velvet dagger]

And just apply for jobs

[latent edge]

I would 1v1 with a kangaroo

[jovial ember]

I C

[bronze pelican]

Nah u wouldnt

[jaunty ibex]

Of course you would

[elfin smelt]

someone who did a masters there told me the funding was just so bad no one could study what they wanted. ive really only heard one account of this though

[bronze pelican]

You would and then die swiftly

[latent edge]

I'd win

[velvet dagger]

There are two types of people

[bronze pelican]

Hmm

[latent edge]

I see

My primary area is going to be somewhere in Europe

just cuz im sick with USA/Canada stuff

[elfin smelt]

this is so real 😭

i have four or so years before deciding but luckily i know the USA will now have less international applicants

[timid bronze]

i saw a species of bunnies that r like so big and huge

i want them.

I love bunnies sm

[coarse bridge]

👯‍♀️

[elfin smelt]

theres the cute bunny that keeps hopping by my door

[jaunty ibex]

[hollow ginkgo]

Flemish giants?

[timid bronze]

YESS lmaoo

[velvet dagger]

Bunnies are actually so cute

[timid bronze]

AWE

[jaunty ibex]

My pet is a bunny

And her name is bnuuy

[elfin smelt]

this emote reminds me of carla shed send it a lot 👯‍♀️

[jaunty ibex]

Not joking

[timid bronze]

Bro this shit probs weighs more than i do

(pic from google)

[jaunty ibex]

Ally face reveal

jk

[velvet dagger]

Look at this one

[elfin smelt]

how can it even see…

[timid bronze]

STOOOOOOP

CUTE OVERLOad

[latent edge]

Massive. I would 1v1

[velvet dagger]

Bro tryna fight a bunny?

Fell from grace after the kangaroo incident

[hollow ginkgo]

Everyone place bets on who wins

[timid bronze]

dami can we pla y roblox

Oh right ur out

Ugh

[elfin smelt]

we are eating roo tonight 🔥 🔥 all my money on deltoid

[latent edge]

I'd def win if I was against the kangaroo

[timid bronze]

wait no bc

[velvet dagger]

I'll arrive at my hotel soon! So within the hour

[timid bronze]

iactually laugh so hard seeing them be called the roo in australia

i saw comments of it under a video of a kangaroo scatching someones window

which btw if that were at my house i think id run away

[latent edge]

L

just 1v1

[velvet dagger]

Australia wildlife may very well be an active deterrent to living there as far as I'm concerned

[bronze pelican]

Nah thats a beast

[latent edge]

jokes aside kangaroos are one of my fav animals

[elfin smelt]

roo hands are rated E for everyone. its like that AU math tournament called kangourous sans frontiers

[timid bronze]

https://youtube.com/shorts/46zekydKbb4?si=ICV3PZcpGMd5ibpK

[elfin smelt]

🦘 baby

[timid bronze]

tehir claws r so huge

[velvet dagger]

Maybe if Sydney or Melbourne is more insulated from the stuff but

[elfin smelt]

THATS A WHOLE MAN…

[timid bronze]

I KNOWWW LMFAOOO

[latent edge]

I have a gym buddy that 1v1'ed with a lion before for fun

[timid bronze]

that shits destroying me in 3 secs

[velvet dagger]

Are you sure they did that? Or were they just lion to you?

If they did that would actually be mad impressive but

[latent edge]

Yeah they had videos

[urban isle]

Bro what

[latent edge]

They are impressive af

[velvet dagger]

That just feels so difficult

[urban isle]

Ts did not happen

[warm umbra]

yes it did

[timid bronze]

OH OK YAY

[warm umbra]

i was there

[warm umbra]

lucky

[latent edge]

In Australia you get the roos but here you get bears

[urban isle]

I could 1v1 a t rex i bet

[elfin smelt]

malaysian sun bears are scary. also notorious for looking like men in suits https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/480/cpsprodpb/BDC3/production/_130597584_standing_bear_4.jpg.webp

[timid bronze]

i lowk want to get a bit back into gymnastics

i lost my ability to do a handstand

[timid bronze]

Oh shit what

the way its standing LFMAO

[latent edge]

wtf

no way this is a bear

A couple of years ago I went on a trip with my family to camp and at the night a bear was literally near us but didn't attack the tent

that shit was very scary ngl

I'd probably 1v1 now if I saw them again

[sand veldt]

Hi , i am here to learn mathematics!

[velvet dagger]

I've heard of a person who beat a leopard actually

[warm umbra]

you would lose

[velvet dagger]

Depends on the rules

Boxing? Ez

[warm umbra]

My plan

[velvet dagger]

Posting cursed stuff? Ally wins

[warm umbra]

I'll ragebait the T-Rex and say Nah I'd win

[silent junco]

just wanted to say this was funny even if deltoid missed it

[warm umbra]

Then ill lure him to a body of water so the Mosasaurus can eat him

[velvet dagger]

Oh this reminds me of that one shtick which contrasts how people think dinosaurs sound with that one reconstruction

[warm umbra]

[pure hollow]

Rosy slams ngl

[latent edge]

I'd always win

[harsh glen]

nah, I'd win

[jagged forge]

LOL

[jovial ember]

I can do a foot stand

[brisk halo]

you should try for the olympics

[latent edge]

Impressive

[brisk halo]

how long havent you done gymnastics for

[latent edge]

I killed a spider that has been wandering around my house

Normally I wouldn't kill spiders cuz I like spiders but this one annoyed the shit out of me

[pure hollow]

Why?

[latent edge]

I was writing my math notes when the spider just suddenly jumped off from the ceiling to my desk

[pure hollow]

Valid

[brittle socket]

https://tenor.com/view/kill-them-all-gif-17898096121214378235

[warm umbra]

welcome to the server @brisk halo

[timid bronze]

Since middle school which is dozens of years ago now

[velvet dagger]

You aren't even two dozen years old...

Single millennium ahh

[neat lintel]

f(x) = higher
Γ(f(x)) = (higher-1)!
f(x+1) = higher+1
Γ(f(x+1)) = (higher+1-1)! = higher!

[mint canopy]

Hey I’m single-millenium and I’m over two dozen years old! #NotAllNoughtiesBabies

[old oak]

Whippersnapper

[mint canopy]

Alright grandpa time for a nap hm?

[old oak]

That's too accurate to be funny.

[balmy quartz]

I was born at a very young age

🔥✍️🔥

[jaunty ibex]

That sounds very annoying

Btw deltoid

How long have u been doing martial arts

[coarse bridge]

dude have u ever had to deal with a spider that's carrying a sac of like hundreds of eggs that are about to hatch

and you have to be careful with how you kill it cause you don't wanna disperse a fuckton of spiders everywhere if you fuck up

i've only encountered ts like once in my life but it's wild

well twice, one time i killed it and second time it was like right outside my door and there wasn't a great way to so i like guided it away

[latent edge]

Yes.

[latent edge]

Yes.

Mention me next time Vero since I didn't see your message

[latent edge]

For context I had a fucking tarantula as a pet

[jaunty ibex]

Seriously tho

[latent edge]

I started at a really young age

Nowadays I mostly do it for the funzies lmao

too locked in on gym

[jaunty ibex]

Bro's nickname is Deltoid for a reason

[brazen mulch]

clarification:
was the tarantula

fucking?

[latent edge]

Yes.

[coarse bridge]

WHAT was it fucking 🥀

[latent edge]

bro at last some shit that is actually presentable

this prof has some horrid shit going on holy crap dude

THIS IS NOT FUN

[coarse bridge]

what class is this lmfao

[latent edge]

It's for research

[coarse bridge]

ah nice

[latent edge]

please focus on the paper
alright let me read adjacent stuff that relates to langlands

4 pages of proof for a fucking lemma when you can one kill it with a simple argument

this prof doesn't mind computations at all

literally my opposite

[jaunty ibex]

Get this man an automorphic form over Sp(2n,R)/U(n)

[latent edge]

Real

[latent edge]

Unfortunately you still see a lot get into med school with this habit

[vast wraith]

galileo’s balls has to do their job better smh

[latent edge]

lmao

Something incredibly obvious I haven't realized until now

Every homomorphism from $SL_2(\mathbb{Z}) \to \mathbb{C}^{\cross}$ has image in the 12th roots of unity

[fathom swallow]

Deltoid

[latent edge]

Stares at you, modular discriminant with weight 12

[old oak]

Doesn't even glance at me

But to be fair, I don't engage with algebra very much

[latent edge]

Unfortunately I've been getting exposed to a lot of algebra

[vast wraith]

guh i don’t see why, i know the domain is generated by two elements of order two and three

[latent edge]

hmmmmmmm

Are you sure

[latent edge]

the elements have orders 4 and 6 resp

[vast wraith]

oh right i was thinking PSL

[latent edge]

oh lol

yeah in SL_2(Z) the determinant is 1

I also hate how confusing it can get with PSL vs SL

I've never seen PSL in number theory that much

It's most likely SL

PSL feels very geometry based

[timid bronze]

@coarse bridge @gentle birch

is he really timed out

bye..

anyways u both sleep wtf

[coarse bridge]

Yes. Actions have consequences.

[timid bronze]

im going back to sleep i accidentally woke up after 4 hours

[timid bronze]

Ok so does ur constant all nighters

[coarse bridge]

dude i don't have a prayer of sleeping before like 11am 🥀

i'd rather just stay up and correct today

[timid bronze]

bro

u say this and

DONT

or ruin it after 2 days

[coarse bridge]

ok this part is true

but i acc don't pull all nighters very often nowadays

cause i end up sleeping anyways

[vast wraith]

mhm i still don’t quite understand the details but i thunk PSL is like rotations and SL is like reflections

[timid bronze]

Like tysm u find me so interesting u talk ab me for a whole night

[coarse bridge]

??????

delulu at its peak

[timid bronze]

u wish

[latent edge]

PSL is determinant +/- 1

SL is fixed

[timid bronze]

if im delulu lets not speak of u

🥀

[coarse bridge]

girlboss ahh message

[latent edge]

I'm pretty sure there is a cohomological explanation for this but alas I don't know enough machinery

[vast wraith]

and mod +-1 !!

[latent edge]

it's confusing see

[vast wraith]

yeah

[latent edge]

algebra of arithmetic groups is really nice

I just need to learn cohomology then I would be unstoppable

[vast wraith]

hiii walter

[dapper badge]

hello

[latent edge]

hi walter

I'm doing waltermath once again

[fringe summit]

walter

[vast wraith]

i haven’t had the opportunity to do anything particularily walter recently

[dapper badge]

You can derive a presentation for SL(2, Z) if you know the fundamental domain and those generators and stuff. From this you can compute the abelianization which ends up being Z/12

And then any map SL(2, Z) -> C* will factor through Z/12, hence has image in the 12th roots of unity

[latent edge]

yeah

[vast wraith]

lovely

[fringe summit]

group reps in U(1) moment

[vast wraith]

walter do you think this makes any sense

[dapper badge]

Sorry I've been bad about reading the stuff you've sent me. I'll get on it this week, I have more time now

[latent edge]

The abelianization should be isomorphic to the first homology group I think right

[fringe summit]

no worries even if you never do it

its silly stuff

[dapper badge]

Well geometrically, the action of SL(2, Z) on H^2 factors through PSL(2, Z). But if you consider the SL(2, Z) action, everything has a non-trivial stabilizer. In terms of moduli interpretations, considering SL(2, Z) \ H^2 as the moduli space of elliptic curves, the Z/2 stabilizer of an element corresponds to the order 2 automorphism given by the elliptic involution. I guess this is nice to keep track of in number theory but also in geometry/topology methinks

[vast wraith]

[dapper badge]

Yeah, you can either compute this from the bar resolution, or if you think of group homology as the homology of a K(G, 1), then this follows from the Hurewicz theorem

[robust marsh]

I get nausea when I start to study does this happen with anyone else?

[fringe summit]

something something analysis of reps

[jaunty ibex]

@latent edge wait how do u get 12 from 6 and 4?

[latent edge]

lcm(4,6)

[jaunty ibex]

I still want to understand it without heavy terminology

Like straight from knowing that we have 2 generators with order 4 and 6 respectively

[latent edge]

you might have to use noggin for this

[jaunty ibex]

Okay

[limber thunder]

noggin users

[pure hollow]

why does delt confuse my noggin that's already confused

[distant kraken]

GUYS PLS HELP-28

[quasi jetty]

Please do not advertise your help channel or thread in other parts of the server. There are many people who need help, so advertising can quickly turn into spam.

[worthy loom]

hi everyone I have a question

and it's from my minecraft gaming experience

so in a big desert I wish to visit every village with minimum backtracking

[haughty panther]

especially group actions, they have consequences for my mental health

[worthy loom]

I was trying to figure out best strategy possible but I failed doing so

I don't know if that's some kind of graph theory problem because I didn't learn that

[haughty panther]

it is a graph problem, but the question is how the villages are connected
as in, if you're in some village can you just pick any other village and go to it in a straight line?

if yes, then it's finding a path that visits each vertex in a complete graph at least once

[worthy loom]

yeah you can fly to each village with elytra and rocket

so it's possible to connect them with straight line

[haughty panther]

since it's a graph constructed from distances in an euclidean space, you have triangle inequality and hence minimal path can be proven to not contain any duplicate vertices

so it's a hamiltonian path

and finding minimal hamiltonian path is a hard problem unfortunately

[worthy loom]

in practice I can accept duplicate vertices

[haughty panther]

yeah, but that won't make the travel distances shorter

the fact that it's distances graph can be probably exploited in some way, but i didn't study TSP at all so i won't say anything about that

[worthy loom]

[hardy iron]

What if we use approximate algorithms?

but if there's only like a small amount of villages bruteforcing works

[haughty panther]

yeah apparently euclidean TSP has PTAS

[hardy iron]

Oh I was thinking of the Christofides(?) algorithm at first

[worthy loom]

I think in practices there are just dozens of them

not like several hundred several thousand of them

[haughty panther]

yea, ptas just says that you can give a polynomial time algorithm for approximation within any fixed epsilon you specify

[hardy iron]

I see!!

[haughty panther]

though i assume that yumeko is looking for an algorithm that is simple enough to compute by hand or sth

[hardy iron]

Oh.

[haughty panther]

and that would be some greedy algorithm probably and these are known to be awful in TSP, (idk about euclidean tsp)

[worthy loom]

yeah because I just want to collect every 11 cat in game and they mostly spawn in village

so it would be nice to compute by hand without actually running some algorithm

[haughty panther]

some heuristic off the top of my head would be looking at the villages and partitioning them into "clusters" of villages that are more or less close together, then grouping clusters together etc. and then moving only within the smallest group that hasn't been fully visited

this way you won't end up with visiting most villages and then having to travel to the other side of the desert without doing anything along the way

[visual topaz]

If it's just tsp

Just use local search

OR tools does a local search

and it works (good enough ™️)

[haughty panther]

that sounds awful to do on paper though

[pure hollow]

my fav line to use when it's not optimized and I am too lazy and dumb to optimize it

[hardy jackal]

yo guys pppllllllssssssss dm me help me to understand powers must talk frensh but its ok if its english

[sharp mulch]

[long beacon]

https://youtu.be/uqKNux8-pto?si=oQdu18xb5VjhzKcM

[latent edge]

@wooden falcon

Typst fans rise

[true wedge]

i love latex

[wooden falcon]

I don't hate LaTeX. But I do appreciate QoL improvements

[limber thunder]

what if i hate typing

[agile fiber]

then try typn'st

[latent edge]

U vibe type then

[true wedge]

nvim and snippets

so op

[grand adder]

Greetings!

[stoic narwhal]

close to a month of no classes and i feel like ive forgotten math

[ocean harbor]

that's a skill issue

[light horizon]

Is this just going to be TSP?

[worthy loom]

I assume so

[west palm]

In a 3 credit class is 6.0 quality points a letter grade C

[agile fiber]

we don't know your class' grading system

[true zinc]

At-least at my uni, yes, but idk if this works the same in others

[bronze pelican]

My recommendation has more weight: try typst

[true wedge]

no.

[slow mortar]

ccan anybody help me with a simple chem question

[sharp mulch]

#old-network

Chemistry server

[copper ingot]

I mod my games from time to time and often run into situations where I have to use math to get something done the way I want. Whether that's making traffic more aggressive, or doing ui for a machine in Minecraft based on its recipe.

I have a problem with looking at math, numbers, and measurements and trying to understand them? Has anyone been in this situation before where looking at a formula just doesn't give anything?

When I look at code, writing, or art I can get a sense, but when I look at math half the time I don't feel anything.

[sharp mulch]

Do you have dyscalculia

[copper ingot]

I haven't been professionally diagnosed with a single thing fortunately or unfortunately.

[visual topaz]

Can you show an example of math you are looking at

Because I don't understand anything from equation spamming in arxiv papers

So it would depend on the difficulty of the things you're looking at

[copper ingot]

Ah lemme get something.

Uhh lemme make up something.

Dyscalculia sounds like I can't read math, but I can tell what this does:

math.floor((math.random() * math.random()) * 100) / 100```

floor puts it to the nearest integer lower or something. The random is between 0 and 1, and yeah that's that.

But then this comes up:

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/txslnsykan

That link is to a formula for a effect in Minecraft that drains mana at different levels. And it was fine.

But even after graphing it and going over it like ten times with a friend and understanding how the exponential increase is rewarding to players in higher levels I just... ended up scrapping the whole project.

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/qqkhkloaei

Also another link

Incase.

[sharp mulch]

dyscalculia is more lacking number sense

[copper ingot]

I am trying to give a example that I best can, but it's hard to even conceive the thought of it. It's like trying to be asked about a word that's missing from a book. I know something is wrong in that blank spot but I can't figure out what was supposed to be there.

But I thought you guys might since my friend is so intuitive with math and he seems pretty intune with all the formula and such to the point where he uses math to generate smoother animations.

Meanwhile I can't even fathom how to use PI in generating a spherical shockwave.

I've tried Khan Academy but I'm years behind, maybe even a decade or two at this point since I don't remember calculus, statistics, trigonometry, and yet my friend can use these tools in his programming endeavors near effortlessly.

[solid snow]

So keep using khan academy and (re)learn more math

It's not really about being born knowing it

You forget things that you don't use

[copper ingot]

But even after knowing what the things do, I can't put them together? I've seen exponentials be used to make curves and skew values and PI be used to make circular formations and movements. I've seen things like the Manhattan Distance and the Euclidian Distance (I think)....

I just don't feel anything from the numbers how I would words with writing or code when executed? Is math just different than something like code or writing?

[solid snow]

It is

But this just means you have to practice applying it

[copper ingot]

So to get better at math... like writing... you'd have to write and read books? Use math and study it?

[solid snow]

You have to study math and apply it

[copper ingot]

But aside from "What's the distance between these two points?" or "This random value needs to be skewed lower."

Will I just learn the more complex things... and then be able to use them if I know how they work?

[visual topaz]

This seems to be a game design problem than a math problem

[true wedge]

i dont feel anything with numbers either

[visual topaz]

I would avoid exponential scaling in games unless you know what you are doing, or you are creating an idle game

[solid snow]

Yes

[true wedge]

i don't think many people have feeling with the numbers directly unless they are gifted

[visual topaz]

You can try polynomial scaling of most kinds, and usually of degree 3 or less

[solid snow]

Math has a lot of tools that you have to learn how to use

It's just like any other thing

[true wedge]

math intuition is more visual and symbolic (as in symbols, not metaphorical symbolism or whatever lol)

[visual topaz]

The second question is likely game design as well

For the first you'd use any normal notion of 'distance'

[copper ingot]

[solid snow]

If, say, you were tasked with doing some home renovation and you didn't know the first thing about construction, you'd be at a loss as well

[copper ingot]

Oh

[visual topaz]

Anyway I don't think numbers are really important in games

Feel is more important

[copper ingot]

I-

[visual topaz]

A few exception to numbers not being important in games is like Balatro, which is clearly very numeric.
But this is not the norm in game design

[copper ingot]

[visual topaz]

The math only helps with feel

It doesn't define it, if that makes sense

[solid snow]

I think you're going off on a tangent point

[visual topaz]

Given this example, I don't think so

[copper ingot]

Mmm... this is just like what happens with my friend...

[visual topaz]

You can try reading calculus if you'd like, it's somewhat relevant

But you don't need to prove anything, which is what math is about

Math isn't really about numbers

[copper ingot]

Writing isn't about words, it's about feeling?

So math isn't about numbers, it's about expression?

[visual topaz]

My point is that the math here is just a tool for you to compute and calculate stuff

"How long does it take an average player to reach level 410"

[copper ingot]

.

Would you...

[visual topaz]

"Assume we will have 10 million players, how many players will reach 410 in 5 years?"

[copper ingot]

yeah that's killer

i have no idea how you solve that, and I have a very crude idea that you measure the time it takes for a player to reach one level and then... assume the amount that usually meet each level...?

[visual topaz]

That's a good idea

[copper ingot]

that is?

[visual topaz]

calculators like desmos help you with that

[copper ingot]

hm

[visual topaz]

Breaking a bigger problem into smaller problems is a very practical strategy for solving problems

[copper ingot]

like coding...

so do you

turn it into a math problem

[visual topaz]

if that helps

im mostly 'engineer'

I try first

[copper ingot]

instead of numbers turn it to text

[visual topaz]

I try examples first

[copper ingot]

Yeah, so examples of something to see how it works, apply it to something to get used to using it. Relate it to something you already know to get better at it, and stay interested in it. And then understanding through that lens becomes easier.

So I need to not look at numbers in math but turn it into words?

Oh so I should practice word problems!

Right?

Just like how you'd practice code by doing little personal projects?

[visual topaz]

You can practice word problems but some word problems aren't about calculation but about understanding words so

But assuming you don't run into those it will be fine

[copper ingot]

So practice numbers and words

So then I get better at turning the numbers to words and vice versa

[visual topaz]

I'd focus more about trends than specific numbers

A function grows too slow

A function grows too fast

A function reaches X too fast

[copper ingot]

Oooh

[visual topaz]

For example these

If you can control function growth

it will help in your practical stuff a lot

[copper ingot]

If it's random, "This happens too often." if it's UI "This isn't the right size", or visual "I should round the speed limit." not:
"24 is a odd number?"
"Why does this look weird?"
"I can't understand where this division is coming from."
"Is that ten necessary?"

[visual topaz]

Yeah

[copper ingot]

I am no longer headache

thank you people of the numbers

or should I say, symbols

yeah, "People of The Symbols" sounds cooler.

[viral condor]

I think its supposed to be allowed to use ai tools here

including chatgpt

its far more accurate than before now

[solid snow]

no

we offer real people help

if the user wants an llm answer they wouldnt be asking here

[viral condor]

good point

[narrow carbon]

we arent same :(

i have headache due to fever

[copper ingot]

awful

how long?

[narrow carbon]

since yesterday

[copper ingot]

dud, gotta drink more water or something

[bronze pelican]

I think typst can replace markdown and latex

[haughty lion]

That's not a very high bar

[old oak]

https://bsky.app/profile/cait.bsky.social/post/3lhzedsd5t227

cait (and adonis) (@cait.bsky.social)

these guys spent 60 kajillion dollars to make a computer forget how to do math

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Bluesky · Feb 12, 2025, 11:48 PM

I particularly like the 2.5% error rate on multiplication of 3-digit numbers

[sharp mulch]

It's also funny how it isn't symmetric

[pure hollow]

almost as good as an undergrad doing multiplication without using a calculator

[fervent flame]

the anti ai circlejerk is somehow on the same level as the singularity circlejerk, every anti ai post/gotcha that gets popular is always in bad faith

[old oak]

I would say it is reasonable to point out, on a mathematical discord server, that LLMs are spectacularly unsuited to mathematics, and especially calculations.

[elfin smelt]

i wish it was square so i could get a better idea by squinting. i like how its a little worse at calculating near squares than numbers far from the diagonal

or i guess its just more noisy along the diagonal… idk

[fervent flame]

i mean yeah, sure, but im just saying that every time ive seen a tweet/post shared here, like the one in question, its all just farming

id argue that being able to predict large integer multiplication at a semi competent level is impressive, given that is not what its focus was, nor is it even architecturally designed to do

but the banger punchline tweet among the anti ai crowd gets a bunch of retweets and everyone will agree with it

sotrue

[haughty panther]

i'm a bit curious what percentage of ai research is:

1. actually developing some new tech
2. only geared towards releasing new LLM product with minimal innovation
3. actually uses some theory instead of blindly trying what works best

[icy heron]

don't underestimate how good LLMs are at making riddles tho

[old oak]

Yeah, it's great

[true wedge]

at least riddle #1 is correct 🔥

[haughty panther]

the second one is not incorrect, it just doesn't make any sense

[old oak]

Maybe the model did become twice as large following the rearrangement.

Who knows who the personal pronoun refers to

[true wedge]

How is the second not incorrect

[old oak]

But then of course the answer shouldn't be 132

[true wedge]

312 * 2 != 132

[old oak]

312 * 2! = 312 * 2 = 624

And I did the multiplication using my own neural network

[true wedge]

also there is no way to rearrange 312 such that it is 624

wheres the 6 😭

[old oak]

But I did the factorial wrong

[haughty lion]

Or maybe the "I" is the electricty consumption of the data center

[old oak]

Be careful, you might get a lecture that they don't actually consume all that much power if you interpret the numbers in a particular way

[haughty panther]

it would make sense if it said "if you rearrange MY digits, I become twice as large" or sth like that
now it says the equivalent of "If unicorn apple pancake eats 456, i become twice as large!"

[old oak]

Is the answer 132?

[haughty panther]

yes

it's always 132

[icy heron]

I kind of agree, I mean LLMs suck at math, but I don't think how good they are at multiplying big numbers is a fair assessment of that

[true wedge]

oh

[old oak]

I think it is inasmuch as I see a lot of people use LLMs without displaying the slightest awareness of their functioning, capabilities and limitations.

So highlighting that they can't actually calculate can be seen as helpful

[haughty panther]

i'm more concerned about researchers training huge models and testing them on datasets about addition then displaying tables instead of looking at how LLMs work and explaining to public what is the reason why they can't add numbers

in practice they make llms call functions in python anyways so it's not really a practical handicap

[icy heron]

yeah, as a critique against LLMs as a machine that can think and reason in general I guess it hits its mark

[old oak]

that was the practice though, they asked multiplication questions to an LLM and it clearly didn't invoke an actual calculator, or at least not correctly

[frigid lark]

I have seen a paper in which they propose some embedding technique to allow Transformers learn how to do addition.

https://arxiv.org/html/2405.17399v1 might be this one

[icy heron]

wait wait wait, the axes of this table are number of digits, not actual numbers. Did they ask LLMs to multiply 10 digit numbers, and they got it 90% correct?

[haughty panther]

i mean yeah, the table is clearly about raw llms doing addition
but like, what is the conclusion of this, "yeah so the model which's design and architecture prevents it from doing artithmetic well STILL doesn't do arithmetic well after we did nothing to amend this!"

[fervent flame]

yes

[icy heron]

that's pretty impressive tho

[haughty panther]

i'm curious if they included the specifically designed datasets about addition in the training data

[old oak]

so an average user should be aware of how to invoke the AI in order for it to avoid calculation errors

[haughty panther]

i guess
though it probably would be more beneficial to society if they just said "don't use llms as calculators"

[fervent flame]

and what most of the circlejerkers are misreading in the chart, which is ironic considering their focus on true "understanding" and "reasoning"

()

[haughty panther]

multiplying explicit 10-digit numbers has noting to do with reasoning tho

it's just a measure of coverage of the dataset

at least as far as the raw llm is concerned

[haughty lion]

What threw me off at the first glance was the "struggles past 13x13"

[haughty lion]

But this is itself a good circlejerk

[old oak]

https://x.com/yuntiandeng/status/1889704768135905332 This is an experiment for an earlier model but apparently with the same methodology

Yuntian Deng (@yuntiandeng)

For those curious about how o3-mini performs on multi-digit multiplication, here's the result. It does much better than o1 but still struggles past 13×13. (Same evaluation setup as before, but with 40 test examples per cell.)

X · Feb 12, 2025, 3:55 PM

They seem to have used fairly normal prompting, and reasoning was involved

https://x.com/yuntiandeng/status/1890434625459138628

Yuntian Deng (@yuntiandeng)

@jvnbt Good question! The problem was 409 * 653, where the correct answer is 267077, but the model outputs 266077.

Prompt: "Calculate the product of 409 and 653. Please provide the final answer in the format:\n\nFinal Answer: [result]"
Output: 'Final Answer: 266077'

I was able to

X · Feb 14, 2025, 4:15 PM

I've just tested large multiplication myself, the answer is not correct.

,w 124310924810498*402948109510

[fathom swallow]

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[old oak]

Obviously, one sample, and to draw any conclusions you should be doing what Yuntian Deng did

But I would point out that Wolfram Alpha would get the correct answer virtually every time

(barring bugs etc)

[haughty lion]

You should've asked for the result in scientific notation

[old oak]

(Note that the verbal description of the number is neither the numeric answer printed, nor the actual correct result)

[crisp dust]

graa Application questions and skills statistics based and common sense teach me

[haughty panther]

"playfully verbose"

[old oak]

Well, it was verbose

50% accuracy

[vernal oasis]

hey guys

I am a bit lost in trying to understand my friend's thesis on graph theory

would it be approperiate to ask a fundemental question in the help channel or here? I just want someone to point me in the right direction

[old oak]

Graph theory would probably work best in #discrete-math

[haughty panther]

you can make a help channel or post in #discrete-math or #combinatorial-structures , depending on how advanced is the question

[vernal oasis]

Probably pretty simple, thanks for the directions ❤️

[keen linden]

#odes-and-pdes help pls

[sharp mulch]

[clever quail]

guys i have a doubt

[sharp mulch]

[fiery hearth]

Does anyone have alphabet of block letters for desmos?

[old oak]

Rude

[tawdry stratus]

not even close. its an opinion.

[mint canopy]

You're very welcome to use mathcord however you like, but I think you should stick to the age-old wisdom: if you can't say anything helpful, it's best not to say anything at all.

[cyan forum]

well played, hungary, well played

[fresh comet]

look at Albania

only country to think that Albanian is the weirdest language

[fast bay]

Or Finland

[jovial ember]

Lmfao I get why Spain would say basque but why are any other country saying basque

[jovial ember]

Who…. Are you

Wait I might’ve already done this

Where I went “who is this new mod” and it turns out they only use help channels

[tight copper]

i agree with finnish fr

[static vault]

think about it… what if we have to wait for a spot to open up in the sleep servers in order for us to sleep, but in the mean time we are fake sleeping since that’s what u have to do to sleep, so basically we’re in the matrix, we have to pretend to sleep in order to sleep…

[limber thunder]

me pvping in the sleep servers:

[atomic tapir]

I gotta say

This server is pretty cool

[limber thunder]

welcome

[warm umbra]

doing my job for me

[limber thunder]

everyone should be welcoming

[warm umbra]

[mellow moon]

@old oak To continue on my digression an uniformised way to write down proofs.

The case of France is kind of specific, not because we are smarter --we actually are (I am truly lying there)--, but rather because we have a national competitive examination to become "high end teachers". And the way the exams are done tends to ask for an uniformised way to write down proofs for this reason, due to the specific format of the examinations.

Not fully uniform but sufficiently to enforce people to be clear enough to deserve that Teacher Title.

[old oak]

That's fair, if there's a system that incentivizes a certain style of writing then I can see that style being more prevalent.

[mellow moon]

Yep, when it comes to the research level, people tends to recover their own style and the one of their PhD/Post-Doc supervisors the time being.

@gusty bough Actually you probably know it but "i.e." is latin. So.

[gusty bough]

Oh hi

[gusty bough]

Yeah yeah

[mellow moon]

Better using it for future purposes than c-à-d which is less universal.

And using Latin is an actual flex.

[gusty bough]

Yep

Anyway I’ve got to study

Ciao

[narrow carbon]

which pdf reader do you use

[limpid gulch]

i use hex editor

just read the hex

[narrow carbon]

is it a pdf reader

[limpid gulch]

yea and you can read any file with it

[rocky shuttle]

i use bin editor

just read the binaries

[limpid gulch]

yea that's a lot better

[narrow carbon]

oh cool

i am using Okular

[neat lintel]

hi

how to

open a

help channel

[rocky shuttle]

type !help

[limpid gulch]

first get the needs help role

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[topaz nebula]

hello everybody

[haughty panther]

Adobe, my favourite company

[tawdry musk]

Hi guys
I can't change the past.
Is 4.85/5.00 (foreign uni) good for MIT+ivies pure math PhD?

[leaden patio]

ok nerf

d

[mint canopy]

People with worse grades have gotten PhDs.

[neat lintel]

What math do artillerymen use?

[fast apex]

hii

[limber thunder]

trigonometry and geometry, though in most places officers will get a fairly complete math education e.g. calculus, algebra just like any other STEM major, historically military cadets have been taught the math needed for ballistics, fortifications and other stuff relevant to their line of work and I imagine they'd be taught stuff relevant to modern warfare nowadays

[neat lintel]

Thanks, but what parts of geo and trig?

[limber thunder]

basically all of basic trig, and from analytic geometry I suppose especially quadratic equations since ballistics problems often boil down to describing some parabola, problems like "given the initial speed of a projectile, set the angle so it falls exactly at 500m from the point from where it's fired" or something

that's just one example and kind of the obvious one, I don't know exactly what other parts of geo and trig people would focus on

but basically enough to understand mechanics (physics) which arguably is more important

[bitter lagoon]

Can anyone help me? I have to do a 10-minute oral in maths and I'm doing it on Gabriel's horn , but it's too short.

[true wedge]

talk slower

[trail fjord]

Probably a good thing, it will take longer when you actually do it. Have you practiced it in front of people?

[bitter lagoon]

No i havent practiced yet but there are mathematics calculations and its very short my problematic is : How to explain Gabriel's trumpet paradox using integrals

[narrow reef]

hi
peles help me
I have a problem. I'm trying to solve time flexibility with math. We have a vision of a series of numbers that are repeating or a series of decimal numbers that are not divisible by anything at all.
p= 2X *9m =- 11
11 -= 0m + mp2 - 29 = 2.7580088765936458
OM = 0 -9 *1.2 + 0.4
mp = 8 + 7 * 78 - 3
and
x =?
m == X-2 * 82 ms

[wooden falcon]

<@&268886789983436800> posting the same thing in multiple channels

[wild lantern]

If you need math help it would be good to read #❓how-to-get-help and follow the instructions there rather than spamming your question across many channels.

[graceful hawk]

I'm back guys

[fresh comet]

welcome back

[manic fractal]

I back

[sick creek]

Why is #groups-rings-fields considered "Advanced Mathematics"?

Surely it's a relatively standard area of mathematics to introduce in the first or maybe second year of an undergrad degree?

[true zinc]

Not too commonly in the US

[sick creek]

Huh

It's very standard in the UK as far as I know

I wonder why there's a difference

[static shuttle]

US is very liberal arts education, so students in the first 1-3 years very often take courses in essentially every subject, and so don't get to much math beyond calculus, lin alg, DEs until later

[sick creek]

So you wouldn't start doing proper uni maths until the age of 22 or so?

[true zinc]

19-20

[sick creek]

Also #calculus being "Early University" - do you not do any differentiation or integration until university?

[true zinc]

Yes in many cases

[sick creek]

What age does university start in the US?

Wow

[true zinc]

18

Unless you take AP Calc

[sick creek]

Same as the UK

Wow

Calculus is part of A level maths in the UK

With some more advanced topics in A level further maths

Although you don't do it rigorously until university

E.g. I learnt how to integrate a bit over 2 years ago, and I defined the Riemann integral a few months ago

[agile fiber]

in the US the level calculus education in high school varies a fair amount, so courses are structured around the assumption that students will have to start from the first calculus class

[sick creek]

I find the US education system fascinating

[agile fiber]

as much as anything this is so that people who are taking calculus in university don't start asking about it being in a pre-university channel

and the people who do take it in high school almost always take it as an AP class, which are theoretically (but not really in practice) equivalent to a university course

[sick creek]

I find this perspective so hard to grasp

Anyone studying a maths-based subject at a UK university would have done A level maths (or an equivalent) during sixth form, which covers basic calculus amongst many other topics

What pre-uni maths education is standard in the US?

[peak tide]

to make things even more confusing, there is not one standard, there are 50 because it's regulated at the state level

for example, in california:

[agile fiber]

as long as students take a math class for most of high school there's a lot of leeway in terms of which math classes they actually take (which might be part of a "remedial", "standard", or "accelerated" track)

[sick creek]

That's very vague

What's the content of these courses?

And only 2 in that time?

How long are these courses?

[peak tide]

and it's even more confusing than that, because those are the minimum statewide requirements, and local school districts are allowed to require additional courses

[agile fiber]

someone on a "standard track" might expect to have completed precalculus class by the end of high school whereas someone on an "acclerated track" might expect to have taken at least one calculus class (usually ap)

[sick creek]

What's covered in precalculus?

The UK doesn't tend to use these terms

[peak tide]

one year each, so in theory a school district could allow someone to graduate if they took two years of mathematics whose total content equals "Algebra I"

[sick creek]

What does Algebra I entail?

[agile fiber]

again there isn't really much of a standard beyond "whatever hasn't been covered in a previous class that teachers imagine is needed for calculus". so common topics will be rational functions, elementary transcendentals (exponentials, trig [may have been covered previously in a trigonometry course], logarithms). if a class is particularly ahead of schedule they might cover stuff less immediately related to calculus (conic sections, basic matrices, polar coordinates), or even introductory calculus (limits, basic derivatives)

[static shuttle]

essentially functions, graphs, elementary functions (trigonometry, logarithms, exponentials)

[agile fiber]

the only real standard is basically the prerequisite knowledge for calculus (which to be fair is a fairly standardized subject), but whether that's covered in precalc or another class depends on the school

[static shuttle]

keep in mind the thing about the US system though - students in university, will taking less math, take a lot more of other subjects. the whole point is for them to be well-rounded knowledgeable members of society if they graduate university, which in my anecdotal experience does seem to work. keep in mind that american students go to grad schools all the time and still succeed, so even if they cover less when young, the ground is made up somewhere in grad school

(i am canadian, which is a middle ground between europe and the US here)

[sick creek]

In the UK, maths is mandatory until year 11 (ages 15-16), and almost everyone will do GCSE maths (covering things like solving simultaneous equations, solving quadratic equations, basic probability, vector geometry, simple proofs, basic trigonometry, very basic set theory, etc.), and this is very standardised. Then, most people wanting to take maths further will do A level maths (covering things like the binomial theorem, basic differentiation and integration, simple proofs, vectors, trigonometry, exponentials and logarithms, binomial and normal distributions, hypothesis testing, probability, correlation, some mechanics, etc.), and people wanting to take a maths-based subject at a more prestigious university will also often do A level further maths (which is more varied, but usually covers things like complex numbers, matrices, volumes of revolution, induction, Taylor series, more integration tricks, etc., and may even go up to basic number theory and group theory)

[sick creek]

Interesting. It seems the US teaches maths in quite a different way and in quite a different order to the UK

[agile fiber]

another thing to note is that the "general education" thing cuts both ways, so people in somewhat but not especially quantitative majors often have to take calculus to fulfill a gen ed requirement (but may not have any maths classes to take after)

[sick creek]

The UK specialises quite fast. I did 11 GCSEs (ends age 16), 4 A levels (which includes both maths and further maths) (ends age 18), and I'm doing just maths at university (although my university also lets me take some modules from other departments, so I did 2 CS modules this year for example)

[agile fiber]

it's a symptom of a general lack of standardization in high-school level education, but math is the most obvious example because it's the most cumulative

[sick creek]

My GCSEs were maths, English literature, English language, physics, biology, chemistry, computer science, design and technology, music and history (so quite varied). My A levels were maths, further maths, computer science and physics (so starting to be quite specialised)

Content covered this year has been introductory real analysis (sequences, series, continuity, power series, rigorous differentiation, the Riemann integral), basic abstract algebra (some group and ring theory), linear algebra, ODEs, basic and non-rigorous vector calculus, basic set theory, basic logic, basic number theory, introductory rigorous probability, and some programming, and then I also did some algorithmic runtime analysis, graph theory and more programming as optional modules

[ocean harbor]

any good horror movies recommendations

[south dawn]

how exactly do calculators calculate fractional exponents with negative bases?

[untold cedar]

so fucking accurate

[south dawn]

i get that x^y can be expressed as exp(y*ln(x)) and a series expansion for exp and natural log can be used but what if x < 0?

how do calculators handle that cuz (-1)^2 is real but (-1)^(1/2) isnt

[ocean harbor]

what type of calculator do you have?

most basic calculators block imaginary results

scientific/graphing calculators (or apps) can handle them you just just enable complex mode

should give you an i

[sharp mulch]

Memes go in #chill

[coarse bridge]

why are you here then?? 😭 😱 🤣

[sharp mulch]

[coarse bridge]

Yo that was kinda rude of me

I'm so, so, sorry man

forgive me.

you're not a meme

[near burrow]

:true:

[unborn meteor]

x^(a/b) = (x^a)/(x^b)
x^(-a) = 1/(x^a)

[stuck tendon]

yo good night, i need a lie for my stuff in AI and effectivity, anyone can think bigger matematical falsehood than "pi is a rational number"?

some that i was looking are “There exists a largest prime number.” or “Every non-constant real-valued function on ℝ is analytic.”, what are some that you guys know bigger than those?

[north topaz]

give it an unproven conjecture?

[stuck tendon]

yes

[narrow carbon]

Lol

[solid snow]

every operator whose characteristic polynomial splits is diagonalizible

[velvet dagger]

Well, triangularizable

You want it to have no repeated roots to be diagonalizable

[solid snow]

yes he was asking for claims that sound plausibly right but are wrong

or idk about plausibly right, maybe just stuff to trick an llm

[velvet dagger]

Oh oh

[clever quail]

how to compute greatest prime less than or equal to any natural number
in terms of prime counting function

[tight copper]

hmm

[empty mirage]

:3

[tight copper]

good question, i dont think we have an algorithm tho

[tight copper]

hello

[empty mirage]

[neat lintel]

This is something i need to write.
I want to know if anyone else was this……. uh retarded when they were 11?

When i was around 11-12, i believed (not assumed) that the future of all things in nature could be predicted using equations.

That all processes are completely deterministic (didn’t know what that word meant at the time), and using equations, one can calculate with 100% accuracy any measurable quantity in nature with absolutely 0 uncertainty (not that i even knew what that word meant at the time).

AND, that even if something isn’t actually measurable (consciousness, you cant assign a number to consciousness, it makes no sense)
It’s measurable anyways.

Whenever i made a mistake in a problem, let’s say i got 69 instead of 42, i’m like “OH IM OFF BY 27, so that means that all the mistakes I make is off by 27”, i write down an equation “ x - 27 = y”, and any mistake I make, i shall use that equation to correct it.
So if i got 82, and the right answer is like 40, i use the equation and i get 55…. “Why didn’t i get the right number what the fuck?”

I didn’t even know what a function even is, to me that’s an equation and anything can be predicted using equations and numbers. “What’s a function?” Got no clue, never even seen a graph before. Only when i was 16 was when i first learned what a function is (our education is pretty shitty).

In mathematics, we are constrained by various rules and axioms, and all theorems are derived from these axioms. So, if you’re missing a crucial component to solve a problem, you fill in that gap by creating something from your imagination. This will never give you the right answer. You can only use the theorems and rules at your disposal, and you need to know how to use them.

[tight copper]

how philosophical

an interesting view on mathematics and life

[torn depot]

#math-discussion

[north topaz]

2026 Gaokao essay prompt

[tight copper]

fr

[jaunty jackal]

Netherlands being erased from the map? Oh dear!

[solid snow]

<@&268886789983436800>

[untold cedar]

surprised the creator(s) haven't said anything about the little russia above Poland

[south dawn]

negative bases

if x is negative and a,b can be any real number then calculation gets tricky

[south dawn]

not relevant

if they go into complex mode then that makes sense

yeah my ti 30xiis just gives a domain error if u try x^a where x is negative and u write a as a decimal and not a fraction

[south dawn]

also this top one just isnt true (x^a)/(x^b) = x^(a-b) not x^(a/b)

[jaunty jackal]

You mean Kaliningrad?

Also known as Königsberg.

[untold cedar]

isn't that the name of the city?

but the region itself is just russia

idk, don't quote me on that or shame me for it

I'm dumb as duck when it comes to geography

[jaunty jackal]

The region is also named Kaliningrad.

The city happened to extend its name to the region.

[untold cedar]

that won't stop me from calling it lil russia

I need some Americans to confirm this (specifically the comment)

are they fr??

@woven rapids
u r from Florida right?

[woven rapids]

Yes

[vocal vessel]

Asteria wth are you doing here? You belong in Discussy proper.

[woven rapids]

I got pung

[rocky shuttle]

https://tenor.com/view/mahjong-mahjong-souls-gif-25760828

[stuck tendon]

thanks

that exatcly what i want

[stuck tendon]

exactly, is to mesure effectiveness

but sadly did not trick the llm that i am working with

i need a more effective lie

[haughty panther]

prime numbers are primitive recursive as far as computability is concerned, so they are like, very very computable, you don't need prime counting function
in terms of complexity though, the decision problem of determining whether number p is prime is co-NP if i'm not mistaken, then deciding if a pair (p, n) is such that p is the greatest prime \leq n would be reducible to the former problem by taking (p, p)
but given a prime counting function oracle you can do binary search for largest k such that pi(k) = pi(n)-1 (as pi() is nondecreasing), which is logarithmic in magnitude of n and linear(?) in length of n
@light horizon does that make at least some sense or am i delusional

[light horizon]

AKS tells us that primality testing is solidly polylog in length of n

[haughty panther]

oh, that's cool

[solid snow]

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legendary golden ingot with a wrench react

[sharp mulch]

<@&268886789983436800>

[gentle birch]

:(

[warm umbra]

welcome to the server @glass trench

[old walrus]

1 week to real analysis exam

havent touched it in five months because that's the gap between the teaching and the exam

time to eat, breathe, live real anal

[stuck tendon]

yo

[queen bobcat]

I mean at least you were thinking about this kind of stuff at such an age. People are wrong all the time. It is what it is

[stuck chasm]

eaaeaaattttt meamememeeeee

[sharp mulch]

[warm umbra]

yes this was my guess

welcome to the server @stuck chasm

[stuck chasm]

welcome

[stark trench]

would've looked cooler if she had the green dragon on her head

[latent edge]

hi magma loves u

I'm deltoid loves u :3

[stark trench]

i love you MORE >:3

[latent edge]

nope

I love you more

[stark trench]

nope i love you morest

[latent edge]

i love your morerest

[flat harbor]

i wonder if blo loves u

probably

yea. blo loves you

[ocean harbor]

i thought you had a gf

[stark trench]

girl this is platonic

[ocean harbor]

🙂‍↕️

[stark trench]

i love you moresterest...

you CANNOT beat me, deltoid

you simply cannot.

magma is the MAGMASTER of love

your name has NO good puns

you are PUNLESS

[ocean harbor]

magma is a good name

[fringe summit]

Lore out of date

[stark trench]

in light of my PUNTIFUL sum of puns on my name, you have nothing

[flat harbor]

girl im sorry but there is no name thats more punnable than blo

[fringe summit]

Also magma is NOT eligible

[ocean harbor]

[latent edge]

I don't

[latent edge]

Ok magma you beat me

once again

[velvet dagger]

I think it's because this is way more lovey talk than is generically expected in a platonic setting

[flat harbor]

hizae in chat

[flat harbor]

i love you

[latent edge]

Why is everyone wg'ing me

I don't have a gf lol

[stark trench]

i also did this with fluX though, i think it's fine

[flat harbor]

everyone
2 people

[latent edge]

and btw this is platonic

[latent edge]

quantity is relative

[flat harbor]

what abt with me delty

wuld u hold my hands

id let u ramble twice a day

[ocean harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cord-bite-dies-dies-from-cringe-gif-14516810518005393867

[velvet dagger]

I mean sure, my point is that this is why everyone wondered

[stark trench]

ah, i see

[latent edge]

how old is magmy btw

[stark trench]

im 16

[latent edge]

I thought you were a grad student for some reason

Even then

[flat harbor]

dam i got cold shouldered chat :(

[stark trench]

that makes some sense, i think

but yeah im not a grad student

[timid bronze]

Ily blo but i wouldnt hold your hand sorry...

[ocean harbor]

i thought you were 40 for some reason

[latent edge]

Oh well I should've expected that from mathcord

Many talented peeps

[flat harbor]

thats fine i asked delty to hold hands

[velvet dagger]

Brutal

[flat harbor]

i appreciate it tho love u back

[latent edge]

I was about to say

[timid bronze]

I still rizz more people than you do

[latent edge]

I would hold hands in the midnight staring at the stars

chat is this platonic enough

[fringe summit]

Better than many undergrads wrt logic

[flat harbor]

yay

[stark trench]

man this ruined this whole thing for me

[velvet dagger]

Uh huh

[stark trench]

im changing my name

[flat harbor]

definitely platonic

[stark trench]

u guys are horrible

[fringe summit]

He doesn’t try to, but how much do you succeed fr

[flat harbor]

thats what u get for saying fuck u blo like three days ago ahahaha

[fringe summit]

GOOD

[stark trench]

tfum good

fine im changing it again

[timid bronze]

im jk i dont have an insane amt of rizz im a pretty shy person irl lol

[stark trench]

alright new name

[fringe summit]

Good name

[stark trench]

och i can't handle the hate

[velvet dagger]

Goddamn

[fringe summit]

Rizz master

[stark trench]

this is my FINAL name

[latent edge]

it ok we still like magma cuz magma is silly :3

[flat harbor]

i keep forgetting allys like 30

[stark trench]

magma is silly :3

anyhow we do need to do that reading group

i think it'd be fun

[fringe summit]

Crazy work

[velvet dagger]

Blo really just be eating hot chip and lying

[flat harbor]

i also have a fat ass if that helps

listen to coldplau

[timid bronze]

What

[fringe summit]

Which one

[flat harbor]

it was a typo but i dont fix typos

[timid bronze]

Im 2005 baby

[velvet dagger]

That's really old

I thought the oldest people were like

100ish

[flat harbor]

dami

its like ukno. vtuber rp

[velvet dagger]

blo

[stark trench]

the sieve theory one

[velvet dagger]

Hmm?

[stark trench]

if deltoid is still down for it

[flat harbor]

we gotta respect this stuff

[timid bronze]

No its just called being yourself

[flat harbor]

"im a dragon thats 2000 yrs old"

[timid bronze]

[flat harbor]

that kinda stuff . its culture

[timid bronze]

us humans need to be nicer to ourselves

[velvet dagger]

That's tru

[stark trench]

oh sloth ik it's a george michael reference but do you also hear music

[velvet dagger]

The automashallah

[flat harbor]

tightroping between inferiority and superiority complex is what lifes all about

[timid bronze]

No like fr

What u say rn to urself would u say to ur Wife ?

No cuz ud two would divorce

So be nice to urself

[fringe summit]

no

[fringe summit]

Absolutely not

[stark trench]

come on

sharp this is my life

[timid bronze]

Absolutely yes

[velvet dagger]

Lol I don't brutalize myself toooo much

[timid bronze]

Oh ik u dont

[fringe summit]

No some people need to not be themselves

[timid bronze]

im just saying in gegneral

[stark trench]

sharp i cannot take more algebraic number theory please sharp

[timid bronze]

Ok for some people i agree but ur not one of them

[fringe summit]

No more number theory

[fringe summit]

I def am

[timid bronze]

Maybe like having some of those common red flags like unhygenic, liar, betrayer, etc i agree

But ur none of those

[stark trench]

not an option

[fringe summit]

^ Doesn’t know the lore

[velvet dagger]

Wow so I'm arrogant?

Jkjk but yeah

[fringe summit]

Anyhow

[stark trench]

yeah sharp is a classical logician ally

he should NOT be himself

[timid bronze]

Wow u cheated on dami i see

[stark trench]

that's a negation, you see

it does NOT necessarily entail that i would not also assert he SHOULD be himself

[velvet dagger]

Excuse me?

[timid bronze]

just cheat back ez

[stark trench]

im very smort

[timid bronze]

jk make him regret instead dont cheat back

[fringe summit]

I should not be myself because I’m insufferable

In person, especially

[flat harbor]

not again

sharp

cold shower time

come on hurry off

[fresh comet]

I am on the verge of threatening you if you keep this up

you are stuck in your own head over this

you are not insufferable

[velvet dagger]

I meant excuse me in the other way like what is this new pairing I am not okay with this

[fringe summit]

TRUE

[timid bronze]

do u prefer ur shipping with apple?

[velvet dagger]

Lol if I got cheated on that's just the end of it. Like I do not care if I have divine assurance that it will never happen again I am just done

[velvet dagger]

Okay not even against you, but I'm straight LMAO

[timid bronze]

Dami x Sharp

Darp

[fringe summit]

Yes I’m aware

[timid bronze]

LMAOO

[fringe summit]

DARPA

[timid bronze]

Dapple

Aww

[fringe summit]

will strike you down

[fringe summit]

Dapper

[velvet dagger]

Horrible. Look which of us has Android and a Windows PC

And which of us has iPad?

Exactly

[fringe summit]

Clau x Ally

Clally

[timid bronze]

ok i got my apple device before i knew about apples being unhealthy for u

[latent edge]

too much algebraic number theory is bad

[velvet dagger]

Divorces?

[timid bronze]

devices

[stark trench]

exactly, we do not need to be turning into nG

[velvet dagger]

You can't divorce someone you weren't...

[timid bronze]

i cant divorce apple i never was with apple

u were tho

u said apple was hot asf

[velvet dagger]

w a t

[latent edge]

You need more to be turning nG but that's an ok concern

[velvet dagger]

Nobody even warms up apples to eat them

[stark trench]

okay that's true

[velvet dagger]

Silly Ally

[flat harbor]

im so glad im a samsung bitch

[stark trench]

nG is nG

[flat harbor]

ok but have u put oranges in the microwave before

or tangerines

amazing

[latent edge]

self-react + hyperfixation on langlands + super cracked

[fringe summit]

TRUE

[timid bronze]

we cook apples though

if ykwim

[flat harbor]

how many ppl do u have a three combo description for

[latent edge]

true...

[velvet dagger]

Ahhhh tru

[jaunty ibex]

People with this description:
You, nG, my friend, my prof

[latent edge]

Liar.

[ocean harbor]

hi vero

i almost read your name as vro ngl

[jaunty ibex]

Bye

ok vro

[stark trench]

i have a three combo description for you, blo: blo + blo + blo

sucks to suck

[flat harbor]

this is so mean

[ocean harbor]

deltoid is cheating on you btw

[stark trench]

what is with people accusing deltoid of cheating on people

[jaunty ibex]

???