serious-discussion

[candid compass]

Yeah, it's pretty cool looking back. I thought I was just studying how chips worked and not an actual field of mathematics.

[vast wraith]

this format is so @fresh comet coded

i duno if you care for alg geo though :S

[fresh comet]

https://tenor.com/view/love-you-forever-gif-4743573121610021282

[fresh comet]

this is how my presentation slides will look in the future

[vast wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cool-lit-gif-13999500

[proven knoll]

I agree

Because I see math nerds talking about complex stuff and I go 💤

But only if it’s super outside my skill level

[glass notch]

guys i'll soon finally be able to understand the talks people host in the server (i'm planning to take a math degree)

[tacit knot]

it's not 69?

[north topaz]

Not all of those talks are at the same level...

[strong fractal]

WoW

[leaden torrent]

FFXIV

[glass notch]

i mean a lot of the talks (that happen when i'm awake) usually have prerequisites that are college-level or something

[brittle socket]

Concatation moment

[north topaz]

I know I'm just saying hold your horses! you still won't be able to understand a lot of stuff even after your first year

and that's normal

the gap between early undergrad and early grad school is probably at least twice the difference between a baby's knowledge of mathematics and finishing high school

[worldly tundra]

Is it alright if I ask like a simply question about trigonometry

[rocky shuttle]

#geometry-and-trigonometry

[north topaz]

yeah and you can ask in #geometry-and-trigonometry

[spare crag]

Heyo

[granite smelt]

yo

[deft shore]

chat how impressive is it to have an understanding of differentiation and integration at 13 years of age( not me btw) from 1 to 10 ( 10 being like incredibly, insanely, impressevely impressive beyond measure of any antagonistic reasoning)

[deft shore]

cooked 💀

[vivid halo]

above average I geuss but nothing unheard of or that crazy

quite a few people are completely able to learn this stuff around that age if they are interested in it and spend time learning about this outside of usual school curriculum

[neat lintel]

understanding this stuff doesnt sound that hard, its always the mastery thats a bit out of reach of almost everyone and rare

[versed parrot]

2 = ((0.5)2)2

[solid snow]

mastery of differentiation and integration is rare?

also no its not out of reach for a lot of people

[dense blade]

Is there someone here who works with SQL Server ? Or VBA?

[neat lintel]

well in germany people learn differentiation in 9.th grade so 14 years

or 10th depends

really understanding these concepts is still impressive tho, e.g. von neumann knew calculus at age 8

[wild lantern]

@hidden dock don't troll people in dms. Next time you do this will be a ban.

[jovial ember]

Now if you’re 12 though. Holy shit.

[vivid halo]

didn't Terry Tao learn calculus by like 6 or 7

[sharp mulch]

Terry learned calculus before he learned how to read

[muted harbor]

I would say its quite impressive. Most children are not so interested mathematics. If I knew a 13 year old who knew calculus well, (especially theory and not just pattern regurgitation) I would be really impressed

[glass notch]

i know someone in my school that can already do integration at like 12 years old which is embarrassing to me because i'm 17 and he keeps trying to ask me stuff for help when i'm still learning differentiation 😢

like he asked for practice problems so i went into the schaums book and picked one from the partial fractions chapter and he said it was too easy 😔

[restive salmon]

Why is there a discussion-2 when there is already discussion what was the thought process behind this chat?

[jagged forge]

i think someone said partnered servers are required to have at least 5 public channels

[restive salmon]

Ohh its a fill in

Ic

[deep mango]

hmm, it was just created to handle overflow when there are too many simultaneous conversations in discussion

its not supposed to be equal activity

[restive salmon]

If u were 12 u could have done the same u just chose to invest ur time elsewhere so its fine but ur feelings are understandable

[restive salmon]

Soo its a back up

[warm umbra]

welcome to the server @neat lintel

welcome to the server @dense blade

[glass notch]

true

[loud hamlet]

How do I accomplish this 'balancing act' of lessening the over-justification effect (found in psychology) while appreciating my mathematical love in avoidance of self-deprecation tendencies brought on upon adherence of disclosure?

[violet condor]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHj5fFrt1Q2/?igsh=MWg5NnYzc2ZyN3k1Zw==

[young ether]

are there more rational or irrational numbers?

I'd imagine there's infinitely more unending numbers than there are ending numbers

i wish alan turing was alive so i could ask him

[vast wraith]

there are countably many rationals, but uncountably many reals, so the irrationals must be uncountable

[abstract cairn]

Quick question, what do you think my chances are of getting into a college like mit, harvard, or caltech?
My gpa is low, a 3.2 I think, I have only taken 1 ap CS class. But Ive been self studying real analysis and physics, and I can ask the ap math and physics teachers for a letter of recommendation, as they have been helping me when I have questions so they know what Im studying. I also havent done anything outside of school like internships or whatever.
Would the self study and letters of recommendation be enough? I havent taken the sat yet but plan to.

I still have another year after this one to do stuff but I wont be allowed to take advanced classes through my highschool, Im currently in algebra 2 and am not allowed to skip to basic calculus, or even algebra based physics for some god forsaken reason.

Also in 9th grade I took a few college classes (zoology and oceanography were the main STEM ones) but I got mostly C's.

Im assuming what Ive done isnt enough to have a good chance of acceptance, so if you have any ideas of what I can do, besides the standard/obvious stuff, to get attention from colleges Id like to hear them.

Im just a bit worried as Im running out of time, highschool is so slow and I feel like Im just wasting a ton of time for nothing

Oof thats longer than I thought

I guess its also pertainent to mention specific grades, near 4.0 for biology, B avg for math but good test scores >=100%. Everything else is meh(B avg). Also AP CS is an A avg.

[sharp mulch]

Unlikely

To be completely honest, no one has a good chance of acceptance at mit/harvard/caltech/etc...

[abstract cairn]

Thank you. Completely unrelated but whats going on with the events? Was the abstract algebra lecure supposed to start at 3? Is it over? It says starting soon

[abstract cairn]

Sorry for the ping but do you mean relatively unlikely or just generally

[robust rapids]

Even tho its not directly math related at first but
Who wins
Sukuna vs Sasuke (end of part 1)?

[wooden falcon]

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. But realistically, very little chance.

No one has a great chance to get accepted to those schools. But those who are far away from 4.0 gpa usually have their application chucked right in the bin. Unless they have truly exceptional circumstances.

Always worth a try, but you shouldn’t expect anything. Good luck.

I think your time would be better spent seeking out good targets and perhaps a few safeties. Some reaches are good, but these may be too much of a reach. I am sorry.

[abstract cairn]

Yeah I figured thank you

[uneven steppe]

Bro just destroyed a dream in one discord message

[robust rapids]

It was destroyed from the start but at least it had a flight before it plunged into the hollow abyss

[leaden torrent]

please no unsolicited form links

[icy locust]

<a href="data:text/html,<form>">
literal form link
</a>

[limber thunder]

[undone pike]

@abstract cairn yeah "unlikely" is the answer even for people who do get in

also dream isn't destroyed. unlikely doesn't mean impossible

10% order of magnitude acceptance rate

try a few schools to focus on

then just see what happens and also realize schools don't define you and they don't want people who are defined by their school either way

[unborn meteor]

LMAOOOOO

[neat lintel]

Okay Guys, my grey matter is pretty small. Havent done Maths for 7-8 years properly but I desperately need it for university (Biology) now and need to practice again. Im from germany. I struggle with pretty much everything even fractions from class 10.

Do you know any extremely good website where I could build up math knowledge again? Learning basics pretty well? And do you know how much Time I should invest realisticly?

[true zinc]

khan academy should be fine

[neat lintel]

Thank you!

[abstract cairn]

Thank you for the advice

[bright hill]

@steep mountain what'll you be using to prepare for your talk?

[steep mountain]

software wise probably overleaf as usual, book wise its a combination of many.

[rocky shuttle]

Laurent Schwartz' Théorie des distributions

[bright hill]

you read that book?

supposedly it's a classic

finally a usecase for my fr*nch

[steep mountain]

it is still a good read despite its age

[rocky shuttle]

nah, just skimmed through some pages

it's fr*nch, why would i read it

[gusty socket]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM-t19KCkd8 i like this one as well

by the way

[crude canopy]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[fathom swallow]

I can't DM you! Do you have DMs disabled?

Mar 24, 2025, 7:51 PM

[restive salmon]

Do i see notes

[undone pike]

good luck!

[wild lantern]

twoscussion

[limber thunder]

uniscussion and discussion

[static loom]

ah yeah triscussion for the triscussiers 😔

[coarse bridge]

k-scussion for the k-scussiers

[limber thunder]

∞-scussion for the ∞-scussiers

[unborn meteor]

methscussion

(chemical names!)

[limber thunder]

(∞,1)-scussi 💥

[fathom swallow]

wudu991

[coarse bridge]

ω-scussion

[static loom]

sure I think I've seen both of these to denote an algebraic closure of F

[summer nest]

Hi

[valid lance]

Hii

[strong fractal]

That pfp

[hollow phoenix]

Hello I need some help and want to double check something. I think I may be messing up my averages.

So I have truck hours and driving hours for driver a and b.

I'm trying to get an average for 4 spots over a year for Truck hours / driver hours.

I do not want to take an average of averages. Should I do option 1 or two?

Option 1: (sum truck hours) / (sum driver a hours + sum driver b hours) for all data points.

Option 2:
Or for each spot find the truck/driver hours then average them together?

I can't share my screenshot.

[sonic sentinel]

about the "unreasonable effectiveness" of mathematics

i respect the point that reality can guide the mathematics we develop in sometimes subtle and sometimes not-so-subtle ways

but there's also the more basic point that like

you can't describe reality... with math that hasn't been invented yet???

[fresh ermine]

Is this talking about the fine tune theory?

[sonic sentinel]

no fine tune is different https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Unreasonable_Effectiveness_of_Mathematics_in_the_Natural_Sciences

[sonic sentinel]

you can look at the math you discovered, and make predictions about reality using that math, and see if your predictions are correct, but how on earth are you going to call the math that led to those predictions as "unreasonably effective" when you don't have non-discovered math to compare your discovered math to?

[warm umbra]

welcome to the server @hollow phoenix

[undone pike]

i don't understand how "spots" work into this, i don't know how trucking works

[twilit crystal]

Hello, anyone on?

[surreal sapphire]

you can describe reality with something that isnt math

the point is that math is very good at describing reality compared to things that arent math

[noble coral]

That's true, but math is also something of a vaguely-shaped blob of subjects

It's a somewhat arbitrary subset of logic, other than the cases where it's outright logic.

And there are a good few subjects where a mathematical approach fails. It feeds into itself in that the areas of reality math works best for are the ones we have been best able to control and understand and therefore find most important.

[deep mango]

did a mod get that?

[old oak]

I think so, there was the same message in #book-recommendations

[sonic sentinel]

ok but then you're comparing apples to oranges?
"drills are unreasonably effective at creating holes in various materials! just think about how ineffective using a hammer would be"

or would a better analogy be like

that there's some tool which helps you across a shit ton of construction tasks?

that would be interesting! we could then ask what's the base rate for this sort of thing across different fields/jobs, where there's one tool or subset of tools that are used in a shit-ton of tasks, and ask if mathematics->science is special

i asked ai for some of the examples mentioned on the wikipedia page (so im not arguing completely out of my ass here), and like

the first one is newton's invention of the law of universal gravitation... which i just straight up don't understand how it's related to mathematics being surprisingly effective

like ok he gathered some data, he made some inferences, those inferences turned out to be correct, big deal?

second one was some part of quantum mechanics turning out to be surprisingly easy to do because of some other established math

(that hadn't been developed for that thing at all)

and again for this example, if you didn't have this particular math to work with, you would use some other piece of math (and probably it wouldn't turn out to look unreasonably effective), but like

you can't LOOK at which pieces of your math are only reasonably effective, because there might be some other piece of math that you haven't discovered that would look unreasonably effective!

what are you surprised by?! you looked at which pieces of math apply well to reality, and then you found pieces of math that apply well to reality?!?!!?

(im waiting for the moment where i say oops and realize my understanding of this fucked up somewhere)

the entire argument seems based on the idea that there isn't "another mathematics", that mathematics was always going to be discovered the way it turned out to

[hybrid depot]

...

uhhh

anyone knows what the heck is going on anyway?

That's a wall of text.

Guess I need another AI for summarizing it...

anyway.

Good... morning/evening/afternoon.

have a nice day y'all.

[sharp mulch]

?

[hybrid depot]

What?

[glass peak]

I am now officially finished with my UG thesis

Very upset I had to present it as part of a group though, the guy who was incredibly difficult to work with all year decided he was taking the lead and doing the majority of the talking (I.e. randomly decided he’d present one of my chapters?) and got so nervous and flustered that he kinda fucked it up. He then admitted he hates public speaking so I’m very confused about why he decided to elect himself to do it but here we are

Unfortunately the grade is shared, but I don’t think he fucked it up irreparably, it just might be a bit of a mid grade now, which is frustrating after so much work and effort

I’m mainly just glad I never need to do a group project again in my life

[hybrid depot]

Congrats. That must a hard one.

Though it surely sucks because group project members selection is miss or hit

sometimes you get the good one, sometimes... well the mid-grade one.

but anyway you completed it lol

Noice

[glass peak]

It’s kinda just massively irritating that my UG thesis was a group thing in the first place but yeah it’s done now haha

(We all do separate things, but it’s a shared grade)

[hybrid depot]

tbh, I have never done my UG thesis in group

why it is so?

[hybrid depot]

and this is even worse lol

somehow

I can't fathom doing math in groups for a thesis lol

guess that's my thing

[vivid halo]

Congrats I hope it is the worst work of your career

[hybrid depot]

the worse work is a mid one

wildin'

btw may I ask what is it about?

[glass peak]

I certainly hope so too

[glass peak]

I think there are just more students than supervisors can support, so I had to work with 2 others

The project was called Betti Numbers in Algebra and Topolgy, so I looked at the algebraic topology foundations and homological algebra, the frustrating to work with group member focused mainly on combinatorial commutative algebra and the final person looked at topological data analysis

[hybrid depot]

Oh, that is a nice topic!

Though at first glance I misread it as homotopy algebra lol

I only did some works on betti numbers on graph theory

that must be some hard works on the commutative algebra side

[glass peak]

Yeah it definitely got a bit messy at points, it’s quite nice though I enjoyed looking at all that stuff

Combinatorial comalg is probably in the running for the worst notation in maths though, truly horrid

[hybrid depot]

uhh...

I disagree

there are worse.

Hopefully nobody runs into them (there will)

but anyway

congrats

have a beer

[glass peak]

Got an essay to write, an alggeo and ANT homework to do and 6 exams to study for, the beer will need to wait unfortunately

But it’s almost time

[hybrid depot]

that's tough.

I currently only have some category theory and theoretical ml to do.

and the research paper...

[glass peak]

Yeah I really need to get grinding some category theory and honestly just 100 other things for my quantum semantics class, so much to do and so little time

[dapper nest]

hi

everyone

wassup

[vernal token]

Your UG thesis was a group project with a shared grade? That's kind of stupid

I'm pretty sure in the EU people do their BSc thesis alone

[glass peak]

Yeah there is some availability to do it alone but it’s very limited, it’s just because Edinburgh admits more students than they have supervisors for, which is a particular issue for my year since we were the Covid year and they took on even more students as a result

It is stupid but there’s not much I can do about it

I honestly covered more than enough content to just have done my own one though, our final submission was like 84 pages which is just a little heafty, we really all couldve got a thesis each out of it

[neon wadi]

Let Sx = (x ∈ A and x has no potential to change).
Let E =  𝒫({x | Sx}).
Let I: E -> ℕ; I(x) = the number of times x has been instantiated.
Let AG =  𝒫({X U Y | X ⊆ A & ∀y(y ∈ A) &  ∃y(~S(Y))}).
Let P = {(X, Y) | X ∈ E & Y ∈ AG}.
Let Is(x, y) = x ∈ P & y ∈ E & for X in x, X = y.

Let G be some element of E.
Let I(G) = 1.
Let F belong to P st. X = DE, Y = set of personal attributes of the Father.
Let S belong to P st. X = DE, Y = set of personal attributes of the Son.
Let H belong to P st. X = DE, Y = set of personal attributes of the Spirit.

We see that:
Is(F, G) is true.
Is(S, G) is true.
Is(H, G) is true.
I(G) = 1. ```

Can anyone make sense of this or is it just gibberish?

[noble coral]

Leaning strongly on gibberish

[craggy parcel]

ive never heard of counting the "number of times x has been instantiated"

[noble coral]

{x | Sx} means nothing

Ah wait no, they're defining it as an operator sort of?

Right.

Still not a fan of {X U Y | X ⊆ A & ∀y(y ∈ A) & ∃y(~S(Y))}

The fact it's randomly deciding to change its notation constantly makes me think LLM slop

& for X in x, X = y.
x is not a set

[dense wraith]

This is even more confusing considering that it's a set of objects that have a potential to exist (what does it mean for a set of objects to be instantiated?)

[noble coral]

Let I: E -> ℕ; I(x) = the number of times x has been instantiated.
This also doesn't make sense if E is parts of a set

[craggy parcel]

i just read "x has the potential to exist" as an arbitrary truth function of x, but now that you mention it "number of times x has been instatiated" probably has something to do with that

[noble coral]

Also

Let I(G) = 1.
[...]
We see that:
I(G) = 1.

And the Is(,) affirmations are literally all false

Just because "fox X in x, X = y" doesn't work

[neon wadi]

I take "a set of objects to be instantiated" to mean the all the elements of the set exist?

[noble coral]

Unless DE = set of personal attributes of the Father, son and spirit???

This is nonsense.

[noble coral]

how can that happen multiple times???

[neon wadi]

Not sure. Hahahaha

[noble coral]

It's 100% gibberish either way

But it's also internally inconsistent.

Which, in mathematics, is the one and true crime!

[neon wadi]

Thought it was gibberish but the guy who sent it to me was saying it wasn't AI so thought there was some esoteric set theory concepts I just wasn't aware of.

[craggy parcel]

i mean probably not

you can ask in #foundations

technically speaking that could very well be the case but somehow i doubt it

[icy heron]

A good rule of thumb is that if the conclusion of some mathematical argument is that God is the father, son and holy spirit, then the argument is probably not 100% rigorous

[dense wraith]

Gödel's ontological proof

Most issues are with the axioms in that one, but I believe the conclusions would be right if the axioms were "true" (but also in that case he's only arguing for the existence of a "perfect being" which he called God, not really the Abrahamic god...)

[neon wadi]

Godel's ontological proof leads to modal collapse which is presumably something he would have wanted to avoid.

[icy heron]

modal logic

[neon wadi]

@dim linden You're the one who sent this and is saying it makes perfect sense, so if you want to defend it making any sense that'd be useful.

[dim linden]

hello

[noble coral]

Greetings!

[noble coral]

Please explain this thing

[dim linden]

it's a jerry rigged formulation of the trinity, I didn't proofread it much

if there's issues mb but he's saying it's chatgpt lol

(it's not)

[sharp quiver]

Hey everyone, anybody know a good website I could get venn diagram questions?

[noble coral]

how is

Is(F, G) is true.
true?

[neon wadi]

It reads exactly like something I could get ChatGPT to generate.

However, when you said it wasn't ChatGPT I asked mathematicians I knew personally and came here since I took you at your word.

[dim linden]

oh whoops, I renamed DE to G for clarity but forgot to change it for F, S, and H. That fixes it right?

[dim linden]

x is a sequence though right? By "For X in x" I just meant the first element of the sequence corresponding to X in the definition above

[noble coral]

what?

how is x a sequence

[dim linden]

an ordered pair with 2 elements

since it belongs to P

[noble coral]

so, a sequence of two?

[dense wraith]

Wait I just noticed that you defined I(G) = 1 as an axiom and then mentioned it down there later as if it is the conclusion of your argument and not an assumption you added...

[dim linden]

yeah

[dim linden]

mhm I just restated it in the conclusion, this isn't meant to be a proof it's just a formulation (and a pretty bad one that I need to clean up a lot)

[noble coral]

Let AG = 𝒫({X U Y | X ⊆ A & ∀y(y ∈ A) & ∃y(~S(Y))}).
What sets are X and Y here

[neon wadi]

Theres only supposed to be three natural language sentences translated, so not sure why we have things like "Let AG", "Let I", or any of the other things that aren't related to these sentences.

[noble coral]

X can be a subset of A, that's fine.

But what's the restriction on Y

Is y supposed to be an element of Y?

[dim linden]

oh I should have just said y is a subset of A as well. I added the existential first and worked back to the universal lol

[noble coral]

Okay.

[icy heron]

What is it a formulation of?

[dim linden]

I think I meant to say X is a subset of E also

no nvm

this is AG

[dim linden]

the trinity, systematicicty brought it here so that everyone could make fun of it lol

[noble coral]

As for this?

[dim linden]

no it's a subset

[noble coral]

A subset belonging in A?

[dim linden]

oh I see

the universal was all y belongs to Y

if that's what you're asking

[noble coral]

what are you trying to write there

Just, in plain language

[neon wadi]

No, I brought it here to see if there was anything I was misunderstanding since I initially told you it read like ChatGPT. Since there is a chance that I didn't know some concepts. I already mentioned this before I realized you were in this server.

[icy heron]

You're basically formalizing this image?

just let "is" be any non-transitive relation, QED

[dim linden]

are you talking about the universal or the existential? The universal is just replaced with y is a subset of A, and the existential should be "there exists a y belongs to Y such that Sy is false"

[dim linden]

yea systamaticity didn't want that lol

he wanted the formal language definition so I tried to make one

[noble coral]

The entire definition of that set

[dense wraith]

It is already non-transitive in the English generally

[neon wadi]

If you were to represent the image the way sheddow just described you'd use relative identity (RI) and just keep similar semantics / syntax to FOL.

You're using all of this set theoretic stuff, lmfao.

Not to mention that's not even what was asked for you to translate. 🤦‍♂️

[dim linden]

oh I see it's just meant to be a set where at least one attribute is non-static, which not that I write that I clearly don't need X U Y lol, it should just be P(X | X is a subset of A and there exists x belongs to X st. ~S(X)} right?

[noble coral]

That works.

What does it mean for something to be instantiated?

[dim linden]

idk how to do that though, just using what I know

[dim linden]

that's more philosophical, just going from nonexistence to existence

in a metaphysical sense

I also feel like I could make this a lot more clear if I used a similar approach to automata theory but that's for another time lol

[noble coral]

So AG is a subset of all the things that can exist containing at least one thing that is capable of change
And P is a set of pairs of subsets of A the elements of which have no potential to change and subsets of A which have at least one element that has potential to change.

Then (x,y) = ((X,Y),y) is y if (X,Y) belongs to P, y belongs to E and X = y

So G is subset of A the elements of which have no potential to change.
It has been instantiated once.
F = (G, Att. Father)
Then
Is (F,G) <=> G =G, which is true.

What have we done here

[noble coral]

so

what are you trying to achieve with this formulation

It feels like doing a lot of things to do nothing

[dim linden]

I was just trying to describe it

[noble coral]

Mainly because it's not clear what the elements of P or E represent

[dim linden]

I made a full english version if you want to see that but systematicity wanted it converted into mathematical notation

[noble coral]

That might help

[dim linden]

(S1) An "attribute" is something which can be instantiated in reality at least once.
(S2) An attribute is "static" iff the attribute has no potential to change
(S3) An "essence" is a set of static attributes.
(S4) A "being" is an instantiation of an essence in reality.
(S5) An "agent" is a set of unique, instatiated attributes, where at least one attribute is a non-static attribute.
(S6) A "person" is an agent who possesses all the attributes of a being.
(S7) If x is some being and y is some essence, we say "x is y" iff y is the essence that x instantiates.
(S8) If x is some person and y is some being, we say "x is y" iff x possesses all the instantiated attributes of y.
(S9) There is one Divine Essence, which is called God.
(S10) There is one being which has instantiated the Divine Essence.
(S11) There are 3 persons who each possess the instantiated attributes of the being of God, namely the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Thus, we can say the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all God, yet there is only one God because there is only one instance of the Divine Essence to be possessed.

[neon wadi]

This wouldn't even translate the initial set of natural language sentences that was asked of you though.

[dim linden]

yeah I lost some information on being unfortunately

[neon wadi]

Not to mention the terminology here isn't what's going to be found in any of the relevant councils to maintain orthodoxy.

There's like 3 issues.
(1) Lack of formalization.
(2) Lack of conformity with the orthodox position.
(3) Lack of explanation of even the relevant natural language sentences in your natural language rendition.

[dim linden]

I don't want to debate you here I respect this server too much

[neon wadi]

That's not what the debate is about though, I'm just letting you know for your translation

[dim linden]

I gotta go but thanks @noble coral for your help, I'll check back in later

[noble coral]

This seems like a dysfunctional set of definitions

An agent being a set of unique instantiated attributes means that all agents are beings.

[neon wadi]

What do you mean here?

[noble coral]

Thus every person is a being

[neon wadi]

Ah.

[noble coral]

The real issue at heart is what "instanciation" is supposed to mean.

But defining "person" in such a way that all persons are beings in their own right, then defining "Person A is being B" as "Person A's attributes are a superset of being B" seems like nonsense.

Nope, I'm wrong. Made a mistake there.

[noble coral]

Yeah nevermind all this. The fact all attributes of a being must be static makes this false.

[noble coral]

This is still relevant.

[neon wadi]

A person is a set of unique, instantiated something which can be instantiated in reality at least once where at least one something which can be instantiated in reality at least once is a non-ability to change something which can be instantiated in reality at least once.

If we translate person using the terms previously used this is what we get.

Just all seems greatly confused, but you can ping me if you ever get the formalization.

[dim linden]

By this I mean something has the potential to exist but has not been instantiated/actualized if it can be imagined but doesn't actually exist. For example you can think of a human that doesn't exist (eg. A human with 1000 arms) but could exist in theory. So when something is instantiated in reality that means it goes from potential existence to existence.

But yeah I could have defined that better above

[tender cobalt]

yo is that lebron, bryce, and the holy spirit (also lebron)

Lebron, The Father
Bryce, The Son
The Court, The Holy Spirit

Three-in-one, one-in-three

[tepid sentinel]

Ohhhh bosons and fermions probably

[quick beacon]

@umbral dune I didn't ask for anything, I was simply trying to eliminate a potential XY problem. The original problem wasn't shared

[noble coral]

Two problems

One, it's ambiguous whether a set of instantiated atributtes is
A) a set of attributes all of which have an instance in reality
B) a set of attribute instances

Second, and hinging on the previous point, can instances of an attribute be shared by multiple sets?

[dim linden]

For the first question the latter and the second question no, with the exception that it's possible for multiple people to share the attributes instantiated in a being.

[noble coral]

Is a static attribute one that can never change, or is it one the instances of which can never change once they exist?

[dim linden]

Is there a difference?

[noble coral]

First interpretation:
Attribute X has only one possible value: A
Second interpretation:
Attribute X had two possible values, A and B, but if a being has an instance of this attribute with value A it can never change to value B

And viceversa

Or do attributes not have values at all and are instead pure descriptors?

So, not an attribute "height" with a value of 1.79m, but an attribute that is "Being 1.79m tall"

Essentially, what does an attribute "changing" mean, and whether it only applies to instances of attributes or attributes themselves

[dim linden]

Oh actually that's a good point, yeah it's the first interpretation I would say. Which would mean a non-static attribute should have set of possible values with cardinality greater than 1 I suppose.

I didn't think about it in terms of sets of possible values so that's useful

[upbeat kraken]

Hello

Is this normal

I’ve practiced some mathematical concepts so much that I’ve started skipping steps

[spiral solar]

i think thats normal

[wise wagon]

Kinda a weird topic, but I’m trying to come up with a name for my car. I want it to have a name something related to maths but not super obvious if y’all got any ideas.

Don’t give me anything like “Third Isomorphism Theorem” or “Ham Sandwich Theorem”

Also, I just learnt that the “hairy ball theorem” is a thing. That is also a bad example.

[lunar ruin]

Fermi? Turin? Summer? Zeta?

Hilbert?

[hardy iron]

Erdos

[candid cypress]

theres a math professor at my university named joe you could call your car joe

[old oak]

The Wronskian

The Cox-Zucker Machine

The Touring Machine

[lunar ruin]

The Tan-gents whole Euler

[old oak]

In terms of puerile humour there's also The Tits Alternative, but that doesn't really work as a car name

[brave hollow]

could use that for the alternator

[old oak]

I also thought of Hamilton, but that's an actual driver

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Hamilton

[unborn meteor]

LOL

this is good

[fluid moat]

I graduated last year at 26 (MSc in applied math with focus on CFD and machine learning, but the program in my uni was pretty new so i feel i know a little bit of everything, but cant really do anything). I worked for ~1 year, something completely unrelated to my background, which i really didnt like. apart from that, i have basically no other job exp (and my uni was pretty focused on theoretical stuff, so i have very little practical exp). I have always had the thought of pursuing a phd, but i dont know if my reasons are enough. basically i have no interest in teaching or in a career in academia, i just think that the most interesting jobs (researcher, applied scientist ecc) require a phd, and i have always wanted to "create something new". during my thesis, i loved the "research" part, but i hated the writing and had a terrible supervisor (literally went missing for 4 months, never replying to emails and messages). I have no idea what to do, starting now would mean finishing the phd at 31/32 (if everything goes right, which maybe won't) and i dont know if that is too late to enter a "interesting" job. would appreciate some input.

[half kayak]

Riemann Zeta Zoomer
Oiler’s Formula

[sharp mulch]

Lots of people start/finish phds in their 30s

[rancid tendon]

nuuu mi pookie bear oiler euler you cant do him dirty like this 😭😭😭

[wild lantern]

Don't post polls to this server

[sharp mulch]

dootdooter you killed the wrong one

[sonic sentinel]

its sad to think of so many arguments ive had in the past where, during that time, i thought i was wrong deep down

only to grow up and go "no actually im pretty sure i was right"

from multiple perspectives:

like first of all i like thinking that i am right, especially when i am right

second of all chronic cognitive dissonance is probably not good for you

but third of all it means that, during that time,

i expected to mature into someone who would treat my current self as obviously wrong

and that just didn't happen

of course it's still maturity if you walk in the direction of truth (or the direction of the truth as close you can get to it)

but the differences i expected were greater

[neat lintel]

I thought polls are disabled

[agile fiber]

discord polls are disabled, but people still sometimes link to polls on external websites

[neat lintel]

Ah ight

[sonic sentinel]

the mods are silencing our nonfree--but nevertheless value-having--speech

[reef forum]

Ok

[unreal brook]

Can someone tell me what are all the mathematical bots in the server and how to operate with them

[ionic star]

,calc is calculator

[fathom swallow]

The following error occured while calculating:
Error: Undefined symbol is

[ionic star]

,w is wolfram

[fathom swallow]

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[sterile grotto]

,w focal length

[fathom swallow]

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[sterile grotto]

,w mitrochindrua

,w mitrochondria

[fathom swallow]

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[patent zodiac]

no way you know what calc stands for

[ionic star]

playing with little stones

[proven knoll]

mood

[clever quail]

Guys is Gamma function defined for negative integers

[icy heron]

stop spamming every channel

[sterile grotto]

,w integration of tan^2x+Sin^x

[fathom swallow]

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[true zinc]

no by definition it is not

[median ravine]

helli

hello

[half kayak]

^

[versed parrot]

contract for difference ?

[quick summit]

hello newton

[median ravine]

hello

[quick summit]

"If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants"

[median ravine]

indeed, galelio is one of them

[glass peak]

Ok

[stone flare]

Here is my belief:

[
\int f(x) g(x) , dx = \left( \int f(x) , dx \right) \left( \int g(x) , dx \right)
]

[old oak]

On the other hand it seems you don't believe in the texbot

[stone flare]

sadly, my attempt at humour failed, once again

[vast wraith]

you may have to revisit basic calculus

[stone flare]

No, because I believe it is right

[timid portal]

never been so wrong

[stone flare]

Happens to the best

[old oak]

Doing God's work

[stone flare]

More of the convo just above, but I was a tas too slow

[stone flare]

preach

[timid portal]

alright neat

dunno why I thought it didn't work lol

[unreal brook]

TYSM guys I now get them all

[median ravine]

anyone know a good tool for solving multiple inequalities?

[jolly bough]

Desmos graphing calculator

[civic bronze]

Your BRAIN

[long matrix]

terrence taoism

[brittle socket]

terrorism?

Nah I prefer taoerism

[sonic sentinel]

i saw a video of miyazaki being disgusted by ai art and calling it an "insult to life itself" and HE IS ABSOLUTELY RIGHT

people absolutely have the right to feel insulted, offended, or scared by AI art, i think that's the sane, human reaction here

this shit shows you how much art really just boils down to copying others, how much good art really doesn't rely on emotions, how creativity isn't fucking hard to make from computers

and yet i see so many people not give a damn about this anymore than a battle of artists who want to keep their jobs versus people who don't want to employ artists

how fucking cynical, how fucked up by the cogs of society do you have to be not see the de-throning of the human race in creativity as awesome?

to just see it as another news event which will cost some people their livelihoods?

and to react with these people losing their livelihoods by saying "no, they deserve to have a job", instead of the obvious fucking conclusion that WE SHOULDNT BE FORCING PEOPLE TO WORK IN THIS GOD DAMN SOCIETY

[rugged gulch]

anyone preparing for JEE or has cleared JEE?

[surreal sapphire]

i dont think miyazakis issue was with the fact that artists now dont get paid

art is supposed to be a way to communicate human emotion, if you just pay for an AI to create something for a meme this is severely diminished

the overlying issue is increasing commercialization even

[limber thunder]

yeah, it's more the fact that with each day people see art and creative venues in general as just another product, where costs can be cut

[surreal sapphire]

yeah it devalues the art, this ghibli AI fitler is used essentially only to communicate brand awareness to peers

especially ironic with miyazakis art which deals intensively with the struggle human vs technology (usually painting technology as bad or at least dangerous)

[sonic sentinel]

if a person who hasn't been in war makes an artwork about what they think being in war feels like, are you going to say "no that's not art because it's not communicating their emotions"?

[surreal sapphire]

@neat lintel stop posting this.

[sonic sentinel]

and no offense but who are you to say what art is "supposed" to be? what happened to good-old questioning of narratives of what is and isn't art?

[surreal sapphire]

i dont know how you jump to this conclusion

[sonic sentinel]

sorry which conclusion

[surreal sapphire]

this whole scenario

i dont see the connection to what i said at all

you dont have to make a specific experience to (try to) communicate an emotion

[sonic sentinel]

i suggested multiple things via the rhetorical question

[shell kite]

I mean, are memes art tho? I wouldn’t say that all memes are art, sure, there’s art that becomes a meme or you can use art to create a meme, but a clear example of a meme not being art I’d say is brainrot memes

[sonic sentinel]

you dont have to experience an emotion to communicate it, and i also don't think you have to have any experiences to communicate emotion

a p-zombie is as good as creating art as a human

[surreal sapphire]

well ok, you can communicate emotions badly lol

i think to do it good, you need to feel

art is often created through suffering

[sonic sentinel]

??
so what's your take on the art about war thing? or a p-zombie creating art? are these two sorts of art deficient in some way?

[surreal sapphire]

whats a p-zombie

the war thing depends on the context

i dont think you can properly communicate the emotion of "being in a war" without having lived through it

but analogy is ofc a powerful tool

[shell kite]

It’s a philosophical concept I believe

[surreal sapphire]

i think id call it art, just bad art

[shell kite]

Like something that you can’t differentiate from a being that feels

But that’s not it

Like, that film of a robot that’s like the same of the protagonist by will smith

Idk how to explain it but it’s like an AI that’s so good at faking emotions and physically looks like a human being so you don’t get to know if it’s or not a human being

Hope I was clear enough

[shell kite]

Cool.

I wouldn’t say brainrot memes are art, but I get your point that being said.

[icy heron]

are you saying chatgpt is displaying creativity by copying the ghibli style?

[surreal sapphire]

i mean i dont feel like arguing such specific is productive

but imo art is created through the human experience

its a part of human cultures

its done and experienced by humans

[sonic sentinel]

this glass art installation "Angel is Waiting" got broken cause of some shitty kids playing with it. the artist then chose not to repair it and to rename the installation as "Broken". This is an example of art that (a) had elements not intended by the artist (b) those elements can be interpreted as part of the art

if art can have interpretations beyond what the creator intended, and interpretations of elements the creator wasn't even responsible for, why can't you interpret art with no intentions behind it?

[surreal sapphire]

ye i think the experiencing part is very important for art

art is not created by a single person, its shared by the community

thats why i said its part of the culture

[sonic sentinel]

i think it's a grotesque twisting of vocabulary to say it isn't

[mild nebula]

I think the word "creativity" is non-technical, and isn't powerful enough to talk about what's going on with chatGPT. We need new terminology.

[sonic sentinel]

ideally "creativity" should be a word that can be applied to non-human systems in addition to humans so we can make comparisons (between those systems, between humans, etc) and come to interesting conclusions. even if you define creativity in a way that's exclusive to humans, it doesn't make human art somehow more inherently special, because definitions aren't a part of reality.

[sonic sentinel]

ok but the breaking of the wings here wasn't the result of the artist communicating any sort of experience (they weren't responsible for it ffs), and yet it is still part of the art.

[surreal sapphire]

ye sure

but art doesnt have to be permanent

i could argue its not art anymore after being broken 🤷

[sonic sentinel]

agree?

[surreal sapphire]

i guess the kids werent consciously transforming/experiencing the art, which makes what i said before not really applicable

[sonic sentinel]

you can argue anything isn't art for any reason, what makes this argument especially effective?

[surreal sapphire]

but like, defacing a statue or wtv because you dislike it would very much be art

its just my opinion

[sonic sentinel]

for anyone just joining in the discussion: my take is that its normal to be disgusted or scared by ai art but at the end of the day its art (and aslo people shouldn't have to work to live but that part of my argument didn't face resistance)

[mild nebula]

Like if a work can be intrinsically creative, then we need to admit that GPT is a creative process.
I still think it's reasonable that GPT is not displaying "something" that we expect of art, though.
Imo, we are seeing something we've never seen before, and I imagine english should change to reflect it

It also just might not be true that art can be intrinsically creative. I'd buy that.

[icy heron]

maybe we have different definitions of creativity, but I would argue being creative involves coming up with some new idea. Just copying someone else, whether you're a human or a computer, isn't creative

[sonic sentinel]

ok but no idea is really "new"

every word you speak and music you hear and painting you see is the result of some stew of culture that's been cooking for thousands of years

[surreal niche]

Dictionary
Definitions from Oxford Languages · Learn more
art1
noun
1.
the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power

[icy heron]

Some ideas are newer than others tho. Miyazaki was of course inspired by previous art, but chatgpt couldn't come up with it without Miyazaki inventing that style first. Shakespeare was also probably inspired by someone or something, that doesn't mean copying him is as creative as coming up with it in the first place

[mild nebula]

Let's say that "creativity" can be separated into "newness" and "skill".
GPT can display "skill" but can never display "newness".

Problem is, those broken wings don't really display "skill"

[sonic sentinel]

I think we would disagree to the extent that human art is mixing and matching but i can't come up with something more specific to disagree on

[mild nebula]

Mathematicians having a conversation about art:

[robust musk]

does reasoning necessitate creativity?

[sonic sentinel]

"newness" comes from reality
in humans, "newness" can travel through reality -> sensory experience -> ideas -> art, or in between multiple humans through something like reality -> sensory experience -> ideas -> communication -> sensory experience -> ideas -> ... -> ideas -> art
in chatgpt "newness" still starts from reality, going something like: reality -> human sensory experience -> human ideas -> human communication on the internet -> changes to loss function used to train gpt -> gpt ideas -> gpt art

i think the main difference is that humans can perceive reality filtered only through their own minds, while gpt has the filter of both its own mind and human minds

(note that we're using "gpt" here to essentially mean generative ai, like "kleenex", lol)

[sonic sentinel]

i think art is better off when artists aren't constrained by what society wants; i think art for the sake of art and art for the wants of society should be seperate things

we should absolutely cut costs when we can on art for the wants of society

its hard to phrase my intuition here but i hope i got it across

like low cost is obviously better than high cost for the same art (maybe not in real life because of knock-on effects, but if we lived in a sane civilization it would be)

but is it okay to pay less for worse art? isn't this unhuman in some way?

i think ^this sort of thinking is missing the point

there's art that's made for the sake of artists wanting to express their emotions, or wanting to evoke some emotions in others, or because they felt like it... y'know, for having fun

there's also art that's made for fulfilling the wants of consumers, this can be anything: software icons, movies, music, advertisements, whatever

one of the things that our society does out of convenience is we very often combine these two sorts of art together, so i might get an artist to design some characters in my game, and simultaneously the artist might have fun designing those characters, but with some degree of constraint in what they have to submit to me (in return for getting paid, of course)

[tribal slate]

guys, are there any "resilient" structures in game of life? Like those that dont disintigrate immidiatly and maintain their overall structure

[sonic sentinel]

try a 2x2 square

that's one of the simplest one

[sharp mulch]

Glider

Glider gun

[tribal slate]

no i mean when coming into contact with other structures

i would imagine that it would consist of a "regenerator" and a "shield" on the outside

[sonic sentinel]

if i then choose to use ai generated characters instead and you think to yourself "wow this is deeply unnerving, this person is cutting costs of art by removing humans from the process" instead of "is this reduction in art quality going to ultimately let people have more fun?", then you're stuck looking through a narrow capitalist lens

[sharp mulch]

Reflectors

eater

[sonic sentinel]

you might be interested in https://conwaylife.com/wiki/

i still can't believe i had a phase where i was really into a specific multiplayer CGOL website

[abstract drift]

Random question: I want to buy a graphic calc, like a TI nspire cas 2 cx or whatever. Is there a "risk" of buying them used? Or are they very durable and wear doesnt really matter

[surreal niche]

Idk I got mine off the road and it works for my college algebra class

[unborn meteor]

uhh

a block lol

x = 2, y = 2, rule = B3/S23
oo$oo!

[unborn meteor]

ohh

eater 1 then

x = 4, y = 4, rule = B3/S23
oobb$obob$bbob$bbbo!

i hope that's right

it's not

whatever

[fringe elbow]

Is there any admin? 🥺

[narrow carbon]

why

[balmy fable]

What is natural logarithm of -e^x?

[north topaz]

that's always negative

Hence undefined

It'll be some complex number

[solid yarrow]

:3

[north topaz]

if you wanted the complex form it's just $\ln(-1) + \ln(e^z)$ and $-1 = e^{i \pi + 2k i \pi}$

[fathom swallow]

south

[vernal token]

Hi foxy, hi south!

[vernal token]

How are things going

You re-majored, are the courses going well?

[north topaz]

yep

I'm loving my new courses

so much depth and discussion

[vernal token]

sounds good

I still have like 6 months to go for HS, but in reality only like 2 months of school and after that it's mostly free

Only ~4 exams left before the finals

[north topaz]

wait how is that possible

when does uni start

[vernal token]

october

[north topaz]

so high school students don't technically have a break?

[vernal token]

they do have like a one month break, and after the exams teachers mostly cancel their classes anyways too

So it's a little more

[north topaz]

mostly

that's sus

[vernal token]

Yeah it's not mandatory, some teachers can still hold the classes

But that's just dumb

Most people won't come anyways, they'll just say they're sick or whatever after all exams are written

And I mean, that's understandable if the subject doesn't interest you, you probably won't see it ever again and you already have your grade, so why continue attending

[north topaz]

yeah why continue to learn high school stuff

when you could learn bigger and better stuff at uni

[vernal token]

Exactly

[north topaz]

man that is one strange system

American and British students all finish at the end of May, latest

oh for the UK it's late June latest but you get the point

[vernal token]

And the uni semester ends at 31.08.

[north topaz]

summer semester I see

[vernal token]

Yeah

[north topaz]

that's a frick load of time

[vernal token]

You mean the free time?

[north topaz]

ah but you have Semesterferien

I get how it works now

[vernal token]

yeah

In uni we will have 2 more oral exams and one more written

Hopefully it doesn't conflict too much with finals from HS, dates aren't given yet

[vernal token]

You said you are still taking a math class, right?

[north topaz]

nein

[vernal token]

ah, you completely left everything behind

[north topaz]

yessir and that was my intention

[vernal token]

I see

[lost fjord]

wait have u switched over to humanities now?

[north topaz]

yessir

[lost fjord]

damn

well hf with that!

[vernal token]

Are you a canteen-goer too? I will probably eat there every day

🔥

[north topaz]

unfortunately our uni doesn't have a canteen proper

we have on-campus restaurants

[vernal token]

[north topaz]

nowhere this cheap RIP

[vernal token]

damn

[north topaz]

what do Bed and Gast mean?

[vernal token]

Bed. is people who work there

Gast is guest

[north topaz]

omg that's dirt cheap

[vernal token]

Stud is for us students

Yeah

The prices are always pretty low

The state pays some amount for students

[north topaz]

that makes sense

the state pays for some of our tuition but it's nowhere near European levels

[vernal token]

Something where the prices are high are for the ICEs, there is basically no big student discount there and if you want a monthly card it costs like 350€ each month

One ICE ride is ~50€

[north topaz]

still cheaper than flying

also everyone loves to shit on Deutsche Bahn

[vernal token]

Yeah, flying is like 150€ from Baden-Württemberg to Bonn

[vernal token]

comes late a lot of the times, yes

Someone famously said 'I travel with DB for 10 years now, I have no soul anymore, everything is dead'

[north topaz]

lol

[vernal token]

But tbh it's not that bad

It's just the occasional construction work where the train has to stop midway and wait for 30 minutes because there is a train infront of us and they can't both pass at the same time and stuff like that

[stark palm]

Hi

[celest terrace]

Sup

[stark palm]

There is a lot of ideas notes managers and apps to manage goals and daily goals and project brainstorm

You know the note apps

I've tried one and it was actually slowing me and I needed to learn how to use it ( it wasted my time)

Is there a good app out there that actually help?

For free

[celest terrace]

I like to use my google calendar purely for lectures/events I must attend (e.g. when I have class, when there is a social event I want to attend, any club events I want to go to)

and create a running list of the things I need to do per week

usually my class stuff I know what I do/do not need to do (I only have like 1 paper to work on in my literature class, and then a bunch of readings/PSETs for my math classes)

[stark palm]

Thx bro I'll try
There is a lot of things in my life and I need to stay organized

[stuck tendon]

i am back

[brave flare]

mods, smite this man

[limber thunder]

this seems spammy -- our #rules do not allow unsolicited links and advertisements and this applies to forms and market surveys like what this seems to be

[brave flare]

i gotta get my number up

[sonic sentinel]

@limber thunder sorry to ping but can you respond to the point i made in this? doesn't have to be complicated; something along the lines of "i don't understand what you're saying exactly but it sounds wrong" would be appreciated

(i promise not to respond if you don't want me to)

[neat lintel]

heeeeddedy

[sonic sentinel]

bruh

why da cthulhu fhtagn

imagine fhtagn unironically

[neat lintel]

oml

[near mango]

im studying graph theory specifically so i can read some dudes throwaway line in a proof this is awesome

[neat lintel]

Relatable

[reef carbon]

@plucky raft here

[plucky raft]

yeah

[reef carbon]

your "bro is gender-neutral" view is not shared by everyone

and i in particular do not like being called it

if you have other friends who are women but are fine being called "bro", power to them. but i am not one of them.

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[plucky raft]

okay if you dont like it..

[tawdry arrow]

cocklers

[coarse bridge]

@solar hawk

[fierce lagoon]

Can someone help me?

I want to deep inspected

Real analysis

@round siren

[old oak]

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[fierce lagoon]

Owl

[solar hawk]

LMAO

[noble coral]

Toucan!

[cosmic needle]

does someone know who learned to do math (specifically algebra differentiation substitution and other stuff) blind folded, like playing a game of chess blind folded? I would like to learn this to see if I make less mistakes.

[long matrix]

that's called doing sht in your head

and where most mistakes come from . . .

[stone flare]

I'll ask something heretical

Are LLM currently good enough to generate relatively practical exercises ? No proof required, just simple calculation

[long matrix]

<@&268886789983436800> 956550680733159444

[long matrix]

depends on the LLM. just try and see

depends on the LLM and your prompting skills

easily gonna be some stupid examples it generates but hey

[stone flare]

Damn

I suck though, so it should suffice

[long matrix]

you wouldn't ever want to assign exercises you haven't checked through yourself anyways

[agile fiber]

definitely would depend on the type of exercise. some topics you can pretty much slap numbers on a page and it's doable and others take some care to be easy and/or possible

[long matrix]

whether its from a book or LLM

[stone flare]

I suck big time so as of now it's just integral (by sub, parts, etc). Simple and double

[stone flare]

It's for myself and my smol brain 🥲

[agile fiber]

integrals actually tend to fall into the latter category generally

<@&268886789983436800>

[stone flare]

Damn

[agile fiber]

since in some sense "most" integrals are non-elementary

[upbeat yacht]

why

[stone flare]

There goes my dream of being self taught

Well, thanks everyone

[agile fiber]

there was a scam link which is now deleted

there are still plenty of textbooks and other resource out there with curated links of practice problems for calculus, since it's a subject a lot of people have to take

[velvet dagger]

One day we will finally learn how to use the Cruciatus Curse on people who spam a bunch of these scam links

[stone flare]

I'll look into it

[sonic sentinel]

one thing that's worked for a thinking model the ~3 times i did it is i handed them a solution to a creative problem i want to do and i say i haven;t looked at it and just gave it to you for hints pls pls pls dont tell me the solution just give hints

i suspect compared to a human these sorts of hints would be worse at building intuition, but they were good hints nevertheless and didnt feel too much like cheating

[wicked pier]

Does anyone know anything I could do to improve my understanding of calculus? I suck so bad and I feel like an absolute moron

[sonic sentinel]

this would be an interesting classroom thing lol, have each student tell you like 5 hard problems they want to solve from a set a day or few days in advance, read the solutions, and walk around giving hints with each student doing most of the work

[sonic sentinel]

I assume based on your message your goal is something like "pass my class while getting a decent understanding of calculus"

i think khan academy + anki (both for what its supposed to be used for, like memorization, and also for scheduling reviews of the khan academy exercises) would help

[hollow shale]

You really should try to understand the concepts, otherwise you're just memorizing random crap.

[sonic sentinel]

whats wrong with memorizing random crap?

[hollow shale]

Try to ask yourself "How could I have derived this myself?"

[hollow shale]

Life is too short

[sonic sentinel]

based on how the person talked they're probably doing really shit and their best goal is probably something like "get a reasonable grade and also a low-level understanding of the concepts so im not completely confused if this stuff comes up later"

[rapid cape]

can anybody speak to the quality of undergrad math at CWRU or RPI?
i need to make the call, but I’m uncertain (leaning towards RPI)

[sharp mulch]

Rensselaer Polytechnic?

[rapid cape]

yeah

and Case Western

[sharp mulch]

I can say that RPI has very strong applied math

Case western also is very strong in applied math

Case western is a larger department I think

But you're also in ohio so

[true zinc]

One of my cousins went to Case for his MS but idk if he ever went to the math dept

[ocean sky]

Ngl why physics highkey impossible to study for, sure it's not like math where tutoring is everywhere (for some reason all the physics classes at my school for this course are structured very differently and the hours the only tutor for my class has don't go along with my schedule) and a gazillion youtube videos exist for everything but it's still impossible to find sources that I understand, for any physics problems chatgpt is my only hope

[vivid halo]

if chat gpt is your only hope then you should just give up lmao

[ocean sky]

Not my fault fr

Word problems are my kryptonite and there's too much variance, I struggle to think in a way that's "compatible" with them if that makes sense

[sharp mulch]

Do you struggle with physical intuition

[ocean sky]

Word problems are far less common in math in my experience

We're just given something like say an integral and we evaluate it, sometimes more set up is involved but that's never troubled me as much

College freshman

Taking calc 2

I did struggle a TON with related rates

So

[ocean sky]

I believe so

Yeah cause for tests we aren't given formula sheets and there are a lot of formulas that we just need to know when to use

Id rather yk be able to solve problems without having a list of all the formulas right next to me but

[sharp mulch]

Go outside more

[ocean sky]

I go back and forth with how I feel about my math skills depending on my test scores, I think myself great at math after getting a near perfect score and then get an 80% on the next test and go damn I suck

[brittle socket]

Do you read/watch books/lectures/videos passively or actively?

[ocean sky]

At the moment probably passively I watch the videos and what not only when I need them

[cinder zephyr]

math is not a spectator sport

you must engage with it

[ocean sky]

Well with physics I try to solve them it's just a bit harder, at my level the math for the problems is trivial it's just figuring out which formulas to use based on the information the problem gives, ie the setup

[solar hawk]

Ware did I hear ts before

[vast wraith]

this is what i tell myself when i sleep in instead of attending lecture

[cinder zephyr]

I be saying this alot but I also heard it from somewhere else and I can't remember where

[brittle socket]

Schroder my boi and everyone else

[brittle socket]

Well, there you have your answer.

If you don't think and question, then how do you expect to learn?

It's like thinking you can get six packs by sleeping.

[solar hawk]

Relatable

[solar hawk]

Oh

I got a six pack by sleeping

A six pack of apple juice

HAHAHAHAHA

Hahahahaha

[brittle socket]

If you just chug formulas based on your experience via rote learning, then that's another potential issue.

You should know why things behave in certain ways, and hence, why certain methods arise as a natural choice.

i.e. have good intuition of the topics

[brittle socket]

You have one big pack

[solar hawk]

Nu uh (yuh huh)

[ocean sky]

I blame the american education system

[unborn meteor]

first

with the new name

[spiral solar]

speedy

[unborn meteor]

do yall realize how annoying this is for the mirror (joke)

[gusty socket]

discussion ❕

[pliant quail]

[autumn perch]

discussion!

[flint basin]

❕

[coarse bridge]

datescussion when

[velvet dagger]

You would want that...

[coarse bridge]

ts slander.

[unborn meteor]

i'm giving up

[tranquil kayak]

Stealing gallbladders, anyone have a free one available??

[ocean sky]

What happened here...

[tranquil kayak]

Lmao

You should see how I be talking in ?

[neon garnet]

discussion 🙌

[neon garnet]

you can borrow mine!!

could you have it back by next tuesday?

[gusty socket]

yep

[tranquil kayak]

Sureee

[neon garnet]

yay ty

i love sharing!

[brittle socket]

"You can run from the truth. But the truth cannot be overturned." - Sun Tzu, colourised, 4K RGB

[neat lintel]

datscussion

[brazen mulch]

cussion

(for cussing)

[warm umbra]

hmm

[tawdry pecan]

are you doing the ARG yeet

[hybrid quest]

discission!

aaaa!

[unique smelt]

y

[silk birch]

yall what are these channels 😭

[mental stratus]

discussion

[agile fiber]

discussion x, discussion y, and discussion legends: z-a

[tall badge]

ty for noticing, i wanted to do ruby sapphire but i couldnt find emojis for them :c

[smoky flint]

can we get discussions r and theta too; show love to the polar coordinates as well 💔

[wise jetty]

uhm
what

have i missed the ARG already 😭

just because i didn't stay up till 4??!??

[tall badge]

@wise jetty #april-fools-2025 message

[wise jetty]

thanks!

[tall badge]

its not an ARG tho... just a confession

[wise jetty]

roketto why are there the messages from last year 😭

[tall badge]

last year?

[wise jetty]

last year's ARG

[tall badge]

there arent any

i only linked eric's original post for context in my confession

[wise jetty]

ah okay

[eternal hemlock]

What if THIS channel for?

[wise jetty]

wait no

this is

just discussion

[unique smelt]

$\beta$

[fathom swallow]

Isaac

[noble coral]

Good morning

[old oak]

<@&268886789983436800>

Unless that's also part of the ARG

[sonic mural]

What is the best AI tool to use for learning maths?

[ember goblet]

this is discussy 2 i assume

[plain seal]

i think this is discussion 2 as well not sure tho

[true zinc]

this is

[plain seal]

hii

[neat lintel]

whats this

[tranquil kayak]

Anytime

[neat lintel]

WHAT ARG

[clear zealot]

What about today MANNERS!?

[brazen mulch]

fr

[fierce eagle]

this is discussion 2

[gusty socket]

discussion

[old oak]

Or datcussion

[wild lantern]

🅱️scussion

[magic sleet]

this cushion is nice

[wild lantern]

This scussion

That scussion

[magic sleet]

no no, thaaat cushion

*pointing fingers

[hardy iron]

Me

[neat lintel]

Busscussion

[neat lintel]

why is the server profile pic hand drawn bro

[tacit magnet]

This is so confusing

[magic sleet]

looks cool

[lean meadow]

what just happened to the place I knew

where's #chill

[neat lintel]

b

[magic sleet]

#chill

[elder hatch]

oh

[slender nymph]

\mathbb{b}

[slender nymph]

April fools

I actually prefer the drawn one

[elder hatch]

oh

[maiden oracle]

i caca

[cinder zephyr]

lowercase mathbb is crazy work

[cinder zephyr]

same lol

it's cute

[neat lintel]

what a fun journey

[narrow carbon]

Is it April fool?

I am change in the server

[sick parrot]

discussion actually bmo

[upbeat yacht]

which mod did this

and is it an april fools prank

[steep mountain]

no this is permanent

[maiden oracle]

dont buy it

[sharp mulch]

<@&268886789983436800>

[neat lintel]

Ong 😭

[scenic pond]

#JUSTICEFORDATSCUSSION

[neat lintel]

what in the discussions

[fossil wadi]

BBC

[hushed grotto]

.-.

[bleak crane]

I really thought I got a pin

Smh

[hushed grotto]

You werent the only one

[bleak crane]

I thought it was some random update

😔

[sour temple]

can yall agree with me on this: it's unprofessional to ban people without an explanation, while they are offline

[brazen mulch]

finally
an agreeable thing™️

[untold sun]

i mean it works the same way as a somone who gets kicked on a friday without a prior notice

[turbid ocean]

$\to$

[fathom swallow]

Asteroid

[turbid ocean]

[barren talon]

Where is math-discussion?

[carmine leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/joke-gif-20303035

Literally where’s the funny

[agile fiber]

#math-discussion

[carmine leaf]

They didn’t even try to make it look believable

[carmine leaf]

That’s a space ship

[static loom]

no

[ocean path]

b

@b

[inner canopy]

Literally 1984

[tropic mica]

server had a whole makeover

[river orbit]

why

[agile fiber]

check date

[acoustic wagon]

Wait does algebraic topology/complex analysis/ galois theory count as grad math? I looked online and some sources say they're for grad school and some say they're for like first years or smt

[river terrace]

at least tmk complex analysis wouldnt be considered first year... idk about the others

[acoustic wagon]

tmk?

[river terrace]

to my knowledge

[acoustic wagon]

ohhh

hm

[pale yacht]

Subject: Follow-Up and Next Steps

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Let me know if there’s anything you’d like to discuss further.

Best,
[Your Name]

Should I send this email to my coworkers

[neat lintel]

Sure,

[random musk]

no idea what the context is but looks good to me

[neat lintel]

It's not bland, but it's professional

[random musk]

is this the general chat of this server?

i'm new here

i would like to ask math graduates some questions about taking math in college

i'm about to pass out of highschool, math is not really my strongest suit but i am interested in learning. i have taken a look at my preferred college's syllabus and it doesn't look like anything i can't handle though my family is apprehensive about the possibility of me taking math since i have had a hard time with it before.

but as far as i know, college math isn't anything like highschool math.

is there anything i should be wary about?

answers would be appreciated, thanks.

[oblique inlet]

,w cos x

[fathom swallow]

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[placid dust]

Algebraic topology for first year undergraduate students?

[subtle hedge]

Hello huyes

[somber urchin]

complex analysis and basic galois theory (as part of algebra) are undergrad courses at my school (with advanced counterparts in grad) while algebraic topology is firmly grad math

[hardy iron]

Yay!

[glass peak]

You can do them all at either level tbh, my uni offers UG courses in them all

But the AT course is a bit shit in fairness (though I don’t think that’s because they couldn’t do more, I think it’s just shit because it is)

[somber urchin]

yeah AT at ug level will be shit for most lol

[glass peak]

I don’t think it has to be, like there’s no reason for it to be at my uni, but the course just kinda is lol

It just covers chapter 1 of Hatcher at a painful pace for some reason. I think you could very reasonably jump straight into (co)homology and stuff since people will have already done CA, so DeRham cohomology is pretty accessible

And most people taking AT will have also taken the curves and surfaces course so they’re already familiar with differential forms and the like

[faint light]

not aware of anywhere that teaches this stuff in first year

but they are all typically in undergrad

[neat lintel]

what happens in here then

[somber urchin]

we use hatcher too but i thikn the problem for us is that its too fast lol

bcs its a graduate course that undergrads are technically allowed to take after theyve taken algebra and topo and some other stuff

and youll be in a class with a bunch of people who have finished their degrees

[glass peak]

Algtop is a final semester course here so in fairness it’s not much different to a grad course

[somber urchin]

makes sense

im gonna try to take algtop next spring but i may get cooked

[glass peak]

It’s not so bad in all honesty, my UG thesis was on algtop so I’ve done some more than the class covers (well quite a bit more) and if you’re comfortable with algebra and topology there’s no reason you couldn’t manage

Unless it covers like half of Hatcher in a semester in which case, thoughts and prayers

[turbid panther]

where can I find all the math which humans have found in nature?

[sharp mulch]

Physics

[turbid panther]

i just wanna collect all the math which have been found in nature

fractal, pi, golden ratio, fibonachi

is there any book or website which feature all of em

[sharp mulch]

Wikipedia

[vestal quarry]

hi 🙂

[narrow carbon]

Hi

April fool by mathchord was so real man lol

[maiden oracle]

where handwritten math thingy geometry thingy a pfp for server

[bleak crane]

Hi

[pale yacht]

if the universe's physics are deterministic, do we really have free will?

[maiden oracle]

yeah, since you realized

[long matrix]

why are determinism and free will mutually exclusive

[old oak]

It's been predetermined that I would

[long matrix]

but what if.
you get to choose.
and your choice has been pretermined...

[faint light]

does the server icon look different to anyone else (as in, to pre-april fools)

[long matrix]

it is

[faint light]

it looks more faddd

faded

[tender orbit]

hi

[tropic mica]

im stupid

[pale yacht]

here is a thought

if the universe was really deterministic (i know quantum mechanics and uncertainty) then why would survival of the fittest exist? and why would every organism's motions not be (perceptibly) aimless?

idk man i just like doing it, do it once a day for at least a little time like 10 minutes and it's much easier to stick with

[vestal quarry]

Do you think any being in our universe can better predict things? If so, couldn't they change the future better than the rest? 🙂

[solid snow]

i dont think determinism precludes this

[vestal quarry]

So you don't think there is any choice to be happier or sadder in life.

[agile fiber]

even if everything was determined that doesn't mean it would necessarily make rational sense

[vestal quarry]

I'm just confused if you even think there is consequence of action. 🙂

If there is, what is the consequence of arguing deterministic futures? 🙂

If not I'll punch you 🙂

jk

[pale yacht]

officer i killed him because it was an inevitable event of the universe

[vestal quarry]

And he needed it. He was going millions of miles per hour over the speed limit in a blue, nitrogen-rich atmosphered planet!

[fresh comet]

<@&268886789983436800>

[plain island]

speed is relative though

[vestal quarry]

I suppose I've heard that somewhere. So is time? So maybe I heard it 1000 years ago ... and maybe tomorrow. 🙂

[fresh comet]

@velvet dagger first time I've seen you do an opencry react

what's that about?

[velvet dagger]

Oh that was an accident

Or was it?

I forgot reacting

Fixed

[fresh comet]

[jagged forge]

dude

it looked like dami opencried and then did nothing

[warm umbra]

welcome to the server @vestal quarry

welcome to the server @bleak crane

[wraith bluff]

has anyone here graduated or is studying in zju? i wanna consult someone

[graceful spindle]

Yo do you just have to have insane problem solving skills to solve 3x3 matrices

[agile fiber]

wdym by "solving 3x3 matrices"? like solving the linear system Ax = b where A is a 3x3 matrix?

[lean vortex]

Probably referred to row operations method, cuz matrix method doesn’t require skills as such

[thorn wren]

neither does gaussian elimination? Its a literal algorithm

[near mango]

Discudsion 2

[obsidian leaf]

Discudsion

[maiden oracle]

i am dumb lets gooo

[willow crystal]

They're more computational than problem solving tbh. Try finding the inverse of a 4x4 and you'll be there all day long lol