serious-discussion

[fervent flame]

this is legit unwatchable, how do people live with themselved presenting slides word for word

like 98+% of it is literally word for word

the average freshman is better than this

[river moon]

wdym it's not word for word

[fervent flame]

it basically is

every thing thats written aside from code gets repeated word for word

[river moon]

depends on where you look

at times it could be that half of what he says isn't on the slide

you're overestimating what average freshman presentation looks like

[neat lintel]

Great video

[neat lintel]

any presentation that uses slides is probably shit, and 100% certainly shit it it lasts more than 20 minutes

[plain owl]

that's a very extreme take

[vast surge]

Also just an objectively bad take

[vivid halo]

bad take, but also most slide talks are kinda bad

chalk talks are almost always better than slide talks

although I've seen some really good slide talks that would be kind of disasters if they were chalk talks

also most slide talks are only bad because most talks in general are kinda bad tbh

most people just do not give good talks

[cinder zephyr]

Chalk Talks are better than slide talks IMO because of a few factors

• Most slide talks don't actually need the slides to present material that would be hard to write / draw
• Chalk Talks have natural pauses and such due to having to actually write
• Multiple boards visible at once makes the talk seem more seamless

really the important part is the first one

[vivid halo]

yeah definitely

[cinder zephyr]

if you're presenting material that needs precise diagrams (think combo usually)

then use slides

[vivid halo]

the main cases I'm thinking of are talks where there are diagrams that would be absolutely horrible to draw on the board but are like, the main point of the talk

[cinder zephyr]

yea

although my math club, I have everyone use slides for the most part

[vivid halo]

even in those cases it's sometimes better to like, do a hybrid between chalk and slides if the room allows for it

[cinder zephyr]

because I think giving an ok slide talk is easier than an ok board talk

[vivid halo]

some rooms are large enough where you can project slides above the board and then yeah that's great

if the screen blocks the board then yeah that's hard to do

[cinder zephyr]

like I'm not writing that out by hand

[vivid halo]

I've seen some knot theory talks where it would be absolutely awful to try to draw all the diagrams on the board

[cinder zephyr]

I will say the biggest issue with slide talks is that its easy to write too much

[vivid halo]

slides make more sense for those

yeah

[cinder zephyr]

and so you end up with people reading off the slides

where for board talks people realize you can't write that much

[vivid halo]

slides can definitely be done well if you are aware of these issues

the other thing I've seen done really well is like "slides" where you leave a bunch of empty space and then actually write stuff on them with a tablet or whatever

but then have certain equations already there that would be too annoying to write out by hand

[cinder zephyr]

yea I've seen this done alot

that's an underrated option

my algos prof did that, it was great

[vivid halo]

yeah I really like this option

[cinder zephyr]

https://www.ams.org/profession/leaders/workshops/gcoll.pdf

Most colloquia are bad. They are too technical, and aimed at too specialized an audience.
first line

I also saw a great piece of advice which works well for more complicated stuff

where you just lie

in that say a proof is very complicated

but that complicated part is for like 10% of cases that you'd only come up with when doing the proof

just present the simple proof of the 90%

[vivid halo]

best talk I've ever given I ended it early and then it had 40 minutes of discussion at the end with profs in the audience

[cinder zephyr]

chances are few if any will notice

and if anyone does notice you can mention that lie verbally

but it ends up being a smoother talk

Hm I'm trying to think what the best talk I gave was

[cinder zephyr]

might be the one with these slides lol

from last spring

[bronze wedge]

in my first talk I was asked why something was true, but I gave a very bs response (answer was really simple but I forgot) and the prof just nodded his head

[cinder zephyr]

Well there is a difference between bad talk and not knowing stuff

very similar to the idea of a good-researcher-but-bad-prof

[velvet dagger]

Okay for a second this sounded like you ended it 40 minutes early...

Like oh hour long talk? More like 20 minute talk

Which would be wild

[cinder zephyr]

that's how I read it too

and only now do I realize that's not what was meant

[wooden flax]

probably didnt want to seem dumb

[wooden flax]

same lol

[storm sage]

I feel like I gave a good ten-minute talk recently; I stayed pretty surface-level, but it had good flow, motivation, and energy

The audience seemed to like it at least

[cinder zephyr]

I want to put together a 10-15 minute talk

for a small seminar at my school

gotta think of a topic (should be computational in nature)

[bronze wedge]

most likely, or didnt want to embarrass me

[visual breach]

How does one comprehend this?

[cinder zephyr]

by reading the whole context of the prior slides to that one + hearing the associated words I was saying while giving that presentation

[visual breach]

Ah sorry if I was offensive to you

Did not know it was your presentation.

[cinder zephyr]

I mean like I can't give the whole presentation here lol

[visual breach]

Yeah

[neat lintel]

I replied "We don't have those LMAO" to a question about my assigned academic advisor.
Does anyone in undergrad actually have those?
I asked the people at my college and they all said no

[solid snow]

do you not sit down/discuss your coursework plans with anyone?

[neat lintel]

no

[solid snow]

google "[your college] undergraduate academic advising" and see what comes up

[neat lintel]

Who here has learnt number theory?
How many times in a day do you use what you learnt from it?

I started learning it for competitive programming. I have to say I've used it about zero times

[zealous garden]

I will put together a 10 hour talk on GA

I actually have one question I want answered that I have yet to find an answer to with my limited looking

I wanna know where the octonion GA is hiding

Of course the octonions themselves can't be in a GA, because they're nonassociative

But if I'm not mistaken their automorphism group is a lie group

Which makes it isomorphic to a subgroup of the spin group of some family of GAs

Particularly, there's some smallest GA with G2 in/as its spin group

I want to know what it is

[lime vigil]

@zealous garden wow very surprising. glad to meet you.

[zealous garden]

Very honest of you, nice to meet you

[lime vigil]

thanks

[lime vigil]

probably you are very fond of maths, u live in Japan?

[zealous garden]

No

but Japan lives in me

[lime vigil]

what do u mean?

[visual breach]

Does yakuza live in you

[ocean harbor]

lmfao

[gritty totem]

I am really starting to think that GA is a cult

[alpine copper]

i have some doubts about GA totally encompassing exterior calculus

[zealous garden]

What is there to doubt

Just look at the respective tensor algebra constructions

T(v)/<v^2> is clearly a special case of T(v)/<v^2-B(v,v)>

[alpine copper]

the existence of a clifford bundle on any smooth manifold which requires some representation of the spin group which requires spin structure. While exterior calculus is generated by exterior powers of the cotangent bundle which is always possible

[zealous garden]

I believe they're also naturally isomorphic if you do it right (symmetric bilinear forms instead of quadratic forms)

spin structure

I don't know that word, you just need a metric to have a tangent algebra at each point.

And the zero metric works

I can also use a vectorspace and it's dual space to make the mother algebra

[alpine copper]

well Im referring to how GA works on manifolds

[zealous garden]

So the tangent and cotangent bundle combine to give me access to all possible GAs at every point

What is the obstacle, what is restrictive about spin structure

[alpine copper]

it obstructs a consistent choice of spin group representative at every point that passes down to the special orthogonal group (which is determined by your metric)

and iirc, GA algebra always admits a faithful rep of the spin group

[zealous garden]

Every pseudo riemannian manifold admits a clifford bundle

A natural one

[zealous garden]

I don't know what faithful rep of the spin group means

[visual breach]

Just faithful representation of spin group?

[zealous garden]

If you mean the ability to exponentiate bivectors to get automorphisms that are continuously connected to 1, yes

[alpine copper]

let me look into this

[alpine copper]

yes

[zealous garden]

SO(p,q)

Spin(p,q)

I can find the latter in the geometric algebra G^p,q

[zealous garden]

No, I'm a cult

Do not be confused

[rocky shuttle]

member

[fair mural]

uwu

[vivid halo]

literally every day

[latent zodiac]

bro @dusk talon what did u send in here bryh 😭 u cant just drop that word and delete

[thick zealot]

What would be the correct way to study group theory?

[bronze pelican]

What does that even mean

There are standard ways. I don't know if there's a "correct way".

[prisma plinth]

group therapy

[deep mango]

Fraleigh -> Rotman + Borcherds YouTube lectures

[charred burrow]

solving all problems from D&F till you experience hairloss

[bronze pelican]

Thats one way, and I wouldn't say its "correct". Its not what I did

[deep mango]

You did it wrong

[bronze pelican]

Okay ryc

[deep mango]

You didn't end up doing group theory...

You switched to number theory instead

[bronze pelican]

Group theory is overrated

But I used Dan Saracino's textbook for a first course in group theory

And then later read D&F

[deep mango]

🤢

[bronze pelican]

Group theory kinda mid after a point

[deep mango]

Yet he thinks he learned it correctly...

[bronze pelican]

No such thing

[deep mango]

Only incorrect ways?

[bronze pelican]

There are ways that work for each individual person

[bronze pelican]

Fuck you

How the fuck you put Galois theory in the valley

Galois theory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[leaden torrent]

^ gives a fuck about prime powers

[bronze pelican]

Ur just unenlightened

[charred burrow]

I am going to study Galois theory soon

Should I be concerned

[bronze pelican]

Enjoy

In my experience, Galois theory took 2 passes to fully appreciate. First you learn I learned it abstractly for fields (Dummit and Foote). Then i put it in context with number fields (Marcus). I actually only 'got' Galois theory once I saw it being used in the study of number fields in algebraic number theory

[charred burrow]

I thought to follow David Cox (saw it today in #book-recommendations)

[bronze pelican]

Unfamiliar with that book

I taught from DF last semester and it kinda went badly

[charred burrow]

Well I still got a month, I should review some rings and fields in that time.

[charred burrow]

I too only looked at the index, it got some historic notes in every chapter, so I thought that would keep things more gentle and interesting.

[bronze pelican]

Thats cool

[charred burrow]

Oh no, why?

[visual breach]

I guess I likely did not understand it, because in my eye it was entirely permutation of roots/extending generators

[bronze pelican]

Students didn't know ring theory

[charred burrow]

oh

[dense belfry]

How are they expected to do Galois theory if ring theory isn't a prereq?

@bronze pelican

Are you expected to give a crash course in it?

[flint loom]

https://youtu.be/RI3JCq9-bbM?si=ekImupyRA_kFjtQp

[bronze pelican]

I just skipped all the parts that had to do with ring theory

[brittle socket]

I'm using Jacobson rn (im at chapter 1: section 1.5), its been great so far. See sloth's intro alg reviews in #book-recommendations

but yeah there's no definitive way

[prisma plinth]

I am interested in Galois theory because I want to figure out what about finitivity forces F^Stab(K) = K to hold for intermediate fields

I think it’s due to Artin’s Lemma. But a lot of it uses vector space magic

[vapid ridge]

hi guys

what does this mean

its in Social Sciences class

nvm

[cinder zephyr]

the vacuous Galois theory

[gritty totem]

"wdym this element has no multiplicative inverse"

[rocky shuttle]

It maps a function f to its value at x

[gritty totem]

I think x would start with 100mg

[storm sage]

[neat lintel]

63565984e

[scenic pond]

the letter after w

[stone ferry]

my experience with my first group theory class was mostly good...

but fuck group actions, I hated proving stuff with those, it all feels like pulling a rabbit out of a hat by doing some weird obscure action

[leaden torrent]

group actions are group theory

[visual breach]

Pulling a rabbit out of a hat, that seems to describe entirety of math for me

[solar hawk]

Rabbit out of a hat

[stone ferry]

yeah they're important

but it's annoying when you need to use them

a lot of that stuff was still cool though

[mild nebula]

I see what Namington is saying though, group theory is mostly just cleverly applied group actions

Like you get a lot of it that way

[stone ferry]

you do, and I don't like it

because the proofs are hard to see the motivation behind

[mild nebula]

Fair! Makes sense actually

I have to assume they just tried a lot of actions to see what they could get

[stone ferry]

Yeah, probably.

[spare oasis]

“Studying” have some fucking shame

We all know you’re procastinating

[neat lintel]

nah I'm actually hitting group theory rn

[spare oasis]

Hold shame

[lofty birch]

Is there anyway i can learn math without a pen and paper

[wicked panther]

hmm

very good question

[visual breach]

A tablet can completely replace pen and paper.

[wicked panther]

good answer

10/10

[azure kraken]

true, but a tablet cant do caligraphy

[wicked panther]

hmm

that is also true

[azure kraken]

i dont completely believe digital art is the "future" of art

[wicked panther]

then it is exceptional case

[azure kraken]

yeah

also, paper and pen is more sustainable

[wicked panther]

yes

[azure kraken]

they legit reuse silicone for newer devices

(if i remember correctly)

[wicked panther]

i don't even know

[azure kraken]

not to mention

tablets can break

malfunction

[burnt ledge]

No its the present

[azure kraken]

talking about the future not the present day

just think about it like a subgenre

[burnt ledge]

it is just objectively another medium for art

[lofty birch]

dont got a tablet just a laptop

[vernal token]

Why without pen and paper?

[vernal token]

You can probably get some drawing pad that you can connect to it so whatever you draw there appears on your screen

[willow moon]

Just saw Cauchy's condensation test and just wondering... can't you also do that for $k^nb_{k^n}$?

[fathom swallow]

bluepianist

[willow moon]

like what works for $\sum^\infty_{n=1}2^nb_{2^n}$ can't it also work with $\sum^\infty_{n=1}3^nb_{3^n}$ for example? Haven't really worked this out with pen and pencil yet, but it seems reasonable?

[fathom swallow]

bluepianist

[crude trellis]

yo what are some good books to learn probability and statistics?

[cinder zephyr]

I liked Ross's A First Course in Probability

well written, good examples and problems

@crude trellis

[heady ermine]

$b_1 + (b_2 + b_3) + (b_4 + \dots + b_9) + \dots \geq b_1 + 2 b_3 + 6 b_9 + \dots = (b_1 + 2 \sum_{i = 0}^{\infty} 3^i b_{3^i})/3$ and $(b_1 + b_2) + (b_3 + \dots + b_8) + \dots \leq 2 b_1 + 6 b_3 + \dots = 2 \sum_{i = 0}^{\infty} 3^i b_{3^i}$.

[fathom swallow]

Raghuram

[heady ermine]

So the convergence is equivalent; if you're looking at the explicit bounds relating the values of the sums, that might be a bit more complicated.

Assuming the terms of the series satisfy $b_1 \geq b_2 \geq b_3 \geq \dots \geq 0$.

[fathom swallow]

Raghuram

[summer quartz]

dose anyone know a graphing website which will let me plot something like this ((π)/(2))≤arg(z-1)≤((3 π)/(4))

[glass peak]

Wolframalpha should

[vernal token]

Seems to not be the case

,w plot pi/2 <= arg(z - 1) <= 3pi/4

,w pi/2 <= arg(z - 1) <= 3pi/4

Works fine though, just not plotting it

[ocean harbor]

!help

[quasi jetty]

To ask for mathematics help on this server, please open your own help channel or help thread. See #❓how-to-get-help for instructions.

[crude trellis]

Thanks a lot man , will look into it 🙂

[pseudo dock]

does anyone know polynomials

[ocean harbor]

#❓how-to-get-help

[loud snow]

Whats the question friend?

[pseudo dock]

i just have a test today and im confused on some things still

[ocean harbor]

have you not studied anything for it

[vernal token]

I had a really weird dream two days ago

I dreamt of having a CAS that was better than WolframAlpha

It had a rather bad interface, it looked like Maxima

[shut kernel]

yuh

polynomials such a W bro, as well as geometry

easy topics but my classmates struggle with em so i feel a sense of superiority every time

[loud snow]

Yeah?

I would-be glad to help but timelines seem strict

[pseudo dock]

I TOOK THE TEST(hiding my phone under desk) AND I DID GOOD I GOT 100%

[vocal vessel]

Academic dishonesty is frowned upon in here.

[sonic sentinel]

why do middle schoolers always take in this weird voice like they're always afraid

maybe it's just here and it's an accent that goes away idk

[sonic sentinel]

what i notice is they pronounce a lot of vowels weirdly and also lengthen some vowels out for some reason

[plain owl]

not like anyone tests you anyway

[surreal sapphire]

what

[surreal sapphire]

you'd be surprised

i mean good for you

but dont do this for g+ lol

find better (intrinsic) motivation

[cold needle]

Then perhaps math is not what you like?

?

what

[surreal sapphire]

i mean building motivation is hard

but maybe you should work on that first

getting good at mathematics (assuming this is your goal) takes an extremely long time

[cold needle]

i dont think getting good is the only thing that should be on your radar

for math

live a little

[fervent flame]

huh is there a test for g+ lol

[cold needle]

Theres no “test” you just explain your education and name drop a few papers or textbooks you read recently

its no more than 100 words

[light needle]

damn dont make grad+ ur motivation

what happens after u get grad+

this kind of motivation isnt sustainable

[raven plaza]

You attain discord validation

[light needle]

yes but then what, what will make you want to continue math after that?

[raven plaza]

The highest form of meaning

[surreal sapphire]

why would you have to stop

hobbies exist

even if you spend the next 5 (or 10) years doing math full time, it is very unlikely that you will get a long-term job doing mathematics

try to not set yourself up for failure

my suggestion is be open minded and find intrinsic motivation in the things you do

[fervent flame]

again, the odds are only against you to do research math full time, not just to "continue doing math"

[fair mural]

grinding for a discord role isn't gonna sound good no matter how you phrase it

[surreal sapphire]

see you on day 900

[pulsar pagoda]

i mean g+ sounds like a lot of grind in math

if u value grind in math possitively

then its a good thing?

i guess

https://tenor.com/uclji9mWcyH.gif

[shrewd tinsel]

Does Algebra Contain most needed for Linear Algebra?

[solid snow]

what do you mean by “algebra” here

Highschool algebra? Or modern algebra

[shrewd tinsel]

What comes after High School algebra?

[shrewd tinsel]

tbh I want to form a learning plan so I dont know

Im trying to figure out a plan

[solid snow]

Usually people learn geometry, trigonometry, and then calculus after that

[shrewd tinsel]

Alright, thank you

Does this sound good?
Algebra > Geometry > Trigonometry > Calculus ?

[solid snow]

Sure

[shrewd tinsel]

oh and do those things include statistics or is that seperate

Does anyone have good sources to learn math online?

[solid snow]

Khan academy

[neat lintel]

I really like video games and should I made a games(simulation) to simulate launch it could be on pc and vr and does this type of person that does that could be a ceo of a company like spacex?(This is an very important question for me and the answer could decide my future so be honest with me 🙂 )

[severe helm]

perchance

[deep mango]

Video game development is generally a pretty bad career path

[solid snow]

this really has nothing to do with being the ceo of a company

[limpid abyss]

Can’t just say perchance

Someone ban him

[fair mural]

good thing they already left

[neat lintel]

I agree

[neat lintel]

Ceos steal, Engineers build

[neat lintel]

LOL

[neat lintel]

Yes you right, I might have said it wrong but I meant: does the ability to make this mean that you have the knowledge to possess and be a leader of a company like spacex.

@solid snow

[solid snow]

again, the two are unrelated

[neat lintel]

You think elon musk has the knowledge to be a leader of a company like spacex?

[neat lintel]

Yes

[neat lintel]

Why mathematics won’t be required to prossess and be a leader of a company like spacex?

[solid snow]

Why would it be

Do you think ceos do lots of math

[neat lintel]

Yes I mean people that make like spacex, Facebook etc… we’re good engineers

And good at math

[solid snow]

Elon musk was not a “good engineer”

[neat lintel]

Engineers aren't CEOs

[neat lintel]

Fr?

[solid snow]

And what you listed are exceptions not the rule lol

[neat lintel]

He did a degree in physics and learned concept abt rocket science tought books by himself

[solid snow]

Name one thing he’s engineered

[limpid abyss]

any mathmaticains in the chat?

[neat lintel]

People that do math are mathematicians so if u di math then u are(I believe lol)

[solid snow]

Ans yet uses none of that to do anything at spacex

[neat lintel]

Why it unrelated to spacex? And spacecraft i mean it physics

[neat lintel]

door handle

[solid snow]

The role of a CEO isn’t really anything to do with what you’re saying

It’s about managing people, setting policies, etc

They aren’t the ones building or designing the product for the most part

[neat lintel]

Then how they come opus witht he concepts

The*

And how they get the ideas and the right ones

[limpid abyss]

okay okay if anyone wanna awnser let me know so you know how you can do 9.999...

would it be improper to do 0.000...1 to represnet infinsmal small value

[solid snow]

You’re assuming every ceo is the inventor of what their company does

Which is by and large not true

Lots of them are just dudes in suits with business degrees and good connections

[neat lintel]

By “CEO” i meant people that made the company form zero and if it is what you meant, then yes.

[solid snow]

Thats not what CEO means though

[neat lintel]

Oh

[solid snow]

So youll have to forgive me for not reading your mind

[neat lintel]

Then what it is called

[solid snow]

It doesn’t really have a name as founding a business and inventing something need not be related

[neat lintel]

A founder

[neat lintel]

So to be a founder of a company like spacex do I need to have mathematics knowledge

[solid snow]

What do you mean by “mathematics knowledge”

[neat lintel]

No, just $120 to register you bussiness

[neat lintel]

Then how would you know that your ideas are right then?

[neat lintel]

they don't blow up

[neat lintel]

Like physics, calculus, rocket science

[neat lintel]

No before you do your business, you gonna need a idea

[neat lintel]

they don't blow up

You have an idea. You do it. It fails or it doesn't

[neat lintel]

Ok, uhmm I don’t think this is the answer I was looking for.

it be like that

Doesn’t make sense

45% of bussinesses fail in the first five years. If there was just a way to know if your idea is right or not then no one would fail

[solid snow]

No not really i dont get why you keep asking. If you want to invent something and sell it, then probably

[neat lintel]

, any business man even if they don’t know physics will know that starting an company that is not even a 40% chance to work, they gonna look for expert or get the knowledge needed and the “expert” won’t always have the right answer and if they say it won’t work you pay them for nothing.

[neat lintel]

I want to found a company like spacex(ik it ambitious) but I’m not sure if I need to know mathematics concept like rocket science, physics to start the business from zero as a startup

[neat lintel]

Business man knows that 1% chance is good enough

can fail 99 times but only need the one to work

Ok, you right

[neat lintel]

But does it always better to have the knowledge?

[solid snow]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_SpaceX#:~:text=According to Musk%2C the crucial,having scoffed at the idea.

Maybe do some light reading

[neat lintel]

Does pre university in this server is for 13 or it undergrad?

Cuz I’m 13

[solid snow]

?

[neat lintel]

Yes

[solid snow]

Does pre university what

Pre university is if your math level is that of before university

[neat lintel]

But in this video Elon musk seems to know what he talked abt right: https://youtube.com/shorts/WY73exaVpyw?si=7eGxzQpcQB7OqFCX

[neat lintel]

If I know algebra only

Like algebra 1 and I’m going algebra 2

That why I’m here

[neat lintel]

"seems"

Yes

He only seems to know what he is talking about because you don't know

Then tell me

Does he knows?

[solid snow]

He has a group of scientists he can pay to tell him to say the right stuff

[neat lintel]

Did you read the wiki that josemon sent?

When does it say elon did anything besides pay for things or hire people to do things for him?

[solid snow]

Theres no doubt that he has an interest in what hes doing and cares about it, but thats a world away from the actual engineering of the rocket

[neat lintel]

Yes a bit but not all, I learned that he had a contact of a scientist and made a group of for him

[trail sand]

Elon Musk seems to be not especially intelligent in his own right

[neat lintel]

Go further please. I don’t undestand what you meant by his own right

[trail sand]

By himself

[solid snow]

He’s good at making money which I respect

[neat lintel]

Are you sure about that?

[solid snow]

Bro

[neat lintel]

First time I hear this lol

I never knew this type of thing exist

[trail sand]

He's a billionaire with a large PR team and a lot of weight behind him but things like the hyperloop pods are just worse versions of existing ideas

You can hold more people and have less friction with a train

[solid snow]

Yeah hes going to go out completely clueless about his projects. Totally not a PR nightmare

[neat lintel]

So his group of scientists told him what to say, even if he never knew the exact question this YouTuber was gonna ask?

[solid snow]

Have you ever like

Read the summary of something

[neat lintel]

No im reading what you said and what I undestood based of the video

[solid snow]

?

Youve never read a summary of something?

[neat lintel]

My knowledge about his study is limited to his university, degree and companies

[neat lintel]

Yes i had, why?

[solid snow]

Then you would understand what having a general overview od something means

[visual breach]

Woah that's beyond stupid

Just having 'advisor' yes men for his own ego

[solid snow]

Not really

They dint work for free and he wants to know what theyre working on

That’s what I mean by that

[neat lintel]

Yes, but it just the fact that he has this exact ideas to change the things and his mind, someone with a resume wouldn’t be able to solve a problem or even think about a problem solving situation without a answer of someoen asking the question

[solid snow]

Someone with a resume?

What

[neat lintel]

Sorry

[solid snow]

Oh

[neat lintel]

I meant someone with a summary in his mind,

Like you said

[visual breach]

Ah sorry

[neat lintel]

I’m also french so

[solid snow]

He doesnt solve problems though

Where are you getting this from

[neat lintel]

The video

Rewatch it and you will see

[visual breach]

Do you learn by watching video

[neat lintel]

No

Look for details to complete my learning

[solid snow]

What problem dis he solve exactly

[neat lintel]

And yes learn new thing

Wait

[neat lintel]

Yes im

No short tho lol

[visual breach]

Guess I am old

[neat lintel]

Never form shorts

[visual breach]

Well, that's "potato, tomato" to me

[neat lintel]

You're falling for the propaganda

[neat lintel]

Ok and why and how I could prevent from falling for the propaganda

[neat lintel]

What you meant by that?

[neat lintel]

Realize that the people actually making the changes are the engineers who are building the rocket

[visual breach]

Short form video is not that different from lengthy videos

[neat lintel]

In terms of learning yes

People cannot explain better in a short more than a 10+ minutes video

[visual breach]

..no, one can be informative as much in both form

[neat lintel]

Just because it "seems" elon got an idea from a random youtuber and made a change does not mean it is so. Elon is not the one designing anything

Oh bruh

Elon's name is only on one patent

and the patent is for a door handle

Then I a new thing I just learned here

[visual breach]

What

[neat lintel]

I mean like mathematics, concepts etc…

[visual breach]

Yes

[neat lintel]

Breh

[visual breach]

Both are in visual form, so usually you can explain in both if you try

[neat lintel]

“If you try”

[visual breach]

That is, if you are ever going to deliver credible information

Then you should be able to do this

Tho ofc majority of youtube is just, lol. They are not reliable in any sense.

[hearty perch]

3 hour conversation

[split pawn]

Bye server-!

[visual breach]

Noooooo muhammad

[neat lintel]

damn

I was here to witness the fall of Muhammad

[shut kernel]

wtf man

why you leave

[trail sand]

Don't they do this a lot?

[shut kernel]

not muhammad

muhammad was different from all the other muhammads

he was the muhammad of al time

[trail sand]

this Muhammad definitely has left and rejoined a couple times.

[rocky shuttle]

<@&268886789983436800> spam, also in other channels

[long matrix]

kindly cease

[rocky shuttle]

that took a while

[plain owl]

don't really find the ability to bullshit a lot of people something to respect

and without rich parents he would have never made money

[safe drift]

its a skill

everything is built on bullshit

[plain owl]

no?

[safe drift]

see you are even questioning it

[plain owl]

more like questioning you

how can can come up with that

you think the device you are using is bullshit?

[safe drift]

everyone is bullshitting us

[plain owl]

actual engineering work and science went into that

that's just obviously untrue

[safe drift]

perhaps

[plain owl]

not perhaps

[safe drift]

plus some bullshit on the side

[plain owl]

can you say something concrete?

[safe drift]

are you saying im speaking bullshit

[plain owl]

you do realize that you, an individual, speaking bullshit, doesn't translate to everyone?

[safe drift]

of course

thatd be bullshit

@plain owl wouldnt you say a lot of the world is built on capitalism

[plain owl]

that is a categorical error

[safe drift]

its the reason we get innovation

[solid snow]

What did I walk into

[plain owl]

probably something to ignore

elon musk defense

lmao

[safe drift]

wouldnt you say that governments and corporations love to bullshit us though

[plain owl]

you're changing the goalposts

[safe drift]

i mean everyone knows the news is filled with bias reporting

[plain owl]

you said that it's a respectable skill

[safe drift]

its bullshit

[solid snow]

Ill touch on this in 5 min

[safe drift]

i never said the word respectable

i said its a skill

and it is

[solid snow]

Give me a sec

[safe drift]

people get paid to be professional bullshitters

[safe drift]

here

[plain owl]

you replied to "to respect"

if you didn't think it was something to respect

why reply at all

[safe drift]

i was giving my input on bullshit

besides

bullshitting is human nature

maybe im just being a human

[plain owl]

no it's not

not like that

most people find it rather immoral

and plenty of the time it counts as fraud as well

[safe drift]

everyone bullshits

[plain owl]

what kind of lame attempt at a moral highground is that

[safe drift]

theres just different degrees to it

[safe drift]

i have no moral highground

you are the one claiming it

you bringing up morality and fraud

[plain owl]

yeah, turns out that lying to people is considered immoral in virtually all circumstances

[safe drift]

nope

[plain owl]

fraud is a crime

[safe drift]

lying is common

"do i look good?"

[plain owl]

well, I'm happy to not be you

[safe drift]

its a common social technique

people dont want to live in a world without bullshit

[plain owl]

there are also stark differences between objective and subjective statements

[safe drift]

if you dont believe it, it falls under lying

the objective truth doesnt matter

[plain owl]

that's also not how mature people communicate

[safe drift]

YOU are bullshitting

[safe drift]

it comes in all forms

[plain owl]

I'm not

[safe drift]

im not saying you

[plain owl]

tell that to the people that went to prison

over fraud

of course it matters

[safe drift]

in the context of what is bullshitting

im not saying generally

[plain owl]

anyway, this is a supremely stupid discussion

[safe drift]

its common in business as well

[safe drift]

yet you choose to participate

[safe drift]

social "niceities"

bullshit

you know a study found that bullshitting is a sign of intelligence

i dont understand why are you so against it

its a foundation of our society

[solid snow]

I don’t disagree with this, it’s just that making a lot of money is a win condition for the current system we live in

[plain owl]

having rich parents is a win condition

[solid snow]

I doubt we disagree on our overall opinion of Elon

Yeah

[visual breach]

Indeed

Sadly I don't think it has been much different in other eras as well

[plain owl]

I'll say tho that a self-described self-taught prodigy is fanboying for Elon is quite funny

[plain owl]

yes, but it seems to be getting worse

wealth is concentrated further and further

[visual breach]

Yeah it is worse than e.g. a few decades ago

Tho I don't even know what the solution would be

[plain owl]

Nothing I can come up with is realistic

because rich people are in power

and globalization has destroyed the ability of nations to deal with them

[visual breach]

Yeah, I am in fear of what could happen

[limpid abyss]

Sup

[bronze wedge]

global inequality has gone down (significantly) over the last 30 years

[plain owl]

I'm talking about ultra-rich individuals being able to threaten countries with not paying taxes there

the ultra-rich have gotten a higher percentage of wealth by far

what you're talking about is more of a consequence of the industrialization of very poor nations

[bronze wedge]

globalization, because industrialization is different from being able to sell your goods on the global market

[surreal sapphire]

its almost down to the levels of the year 1900, which we all know was a time where everyone was equal

[limpid abyss]

mophra how advanced are you, you seem very knowledge

[plain owl]

why are you asking that here 😄

[plain owl]

but you're talking about global inequality, globalisation does nothing for you if you have no products to sell to begin with

[bronze wedge]

this is a weird response - your response to "hundreds of millions of people have been lifted out of poverty" (like in China) is "actually, they don't have anything to sell in the first place". Look at literally anything you buy - there is an extremely high likelihood it manufactured in ex China/Bangladesh/etc

[plain owl]

and that is called industrialization

and again, your response has nothing to do with my initial claim

[dense dew]

,w x=ye^e^y find the fifth implicit derivative with respect to x at x=0

[fathom swallow]

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[dense dew]

how do i get wolfram alpha to evaluate it?

its just finds the derivative but doesnt evaluate it

[vernal token]

,w x=ye^e^y fifth implicit derivative at x = 0

[dense dew]

i dont mean a partial derivative, I just want $y^{(5)}(0)$

[fathom swallow]

The Great D

[dense dew]

the value of it

[bitter viper]

How did you write that

[dense dew]

wdym?

[river moon]

aside from x, you also need to provide values of y(0), y'(0), y''(0), y'''(0) and y''''(0)

which I doubt wolfram alpha can do on it's own

[dense dew]

well if it can come at y'''''(x), why wouldnt it be able to find the loewr derivatives?

[river moon]

because it's not an all powerful tool

[storm sage]

There's probably some way you can do it

[mystic ivy]

math has gone too far

[loud snow]

Yea fr

[loud snow]

Its a combination but mostly globalization

You could argue that existence of a global market would increase demand to drastic levels in a capitalistic society

Think about if you are a company and you have a demographic of 100 people to sell to and manage their needs

Because of this you hire 10 employees

[plain owl]

well the point I made is that non-industrialized nations are still poor

even tho they participate in globalization

[loud snow]

Yeah the reason they are poor is because of globalization and industrialization

Also social policy lol

Supply and demand curves are poorly demonstrated because this relationship is rarely linear

Esp with growing markets

Equilibrium conditions also shift on a shit ton of factors

[raw crypt]

Is squeeze theorem the formal name for this theorem?

[rocky shuttle]

It's the smoochie theorem

[raw crypt]

Isn't it "Interference criterion"?

[rocky shuttle]

I have no idea what you're talking about

[small moat]

Hi

[rocky shuttle]

Hi

[limpid abyss]

oh yo do you guys know what sin does to the x value in sinx idk if they show it in university it’s really cool

like how a calculator approximates it

[river moon]

sine of the angle x in a triangle is ratio of triangle's sides

[river moon]

cordic algorithm

has little to do with what sine is though

[limpid abyss]

wait let me see

is that algorithm an infinite set I think it’s something else

It’s called the Fourier series

Oh maybe not

[drowsy halo]

hi ineed help. the number of comination in (a,b,c) which are all smaller than integer value "n" and greater than 1 , where a,b,c are different to each other is : n * (n-1) * (n-2)

[plain owl]

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[flint loom]

🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣 🤣

[proud olive]

Just not uniformly

Pointwise

[coral mauve]

my honest reaction

[limpid abyss]

Can someone just solve the inequality already jeez

[vapid ridge]

guys

how do u find tangent 0

[tawdry pecan]

tangent of what? you mean the trig function?

[hollow ravine]

by taylor approximation

[vapid ridge]

yeah

[vapid ridge]

i mean the value of it

[tawdry pecan]

oh well you know that tan=sin/cos

[vapid ridge]

yeah

[tawdry pecan]

so do the taylor series for sin(0)

and divide it by the taylor series for cos(0)

but calculate the values beore dividing

[cinder zephyr]

Why use Taylor series what

[tawdry pecan]

i dont know he just said thats what its for idk

[hollow ravine]

because it works and this is discussion not help

[cinder zephyr]

What's sin(0)? You should just know what that value is if you've studied some basic facts about trig functions

Also #❓how-to-get-help

[vapid ridge]

0

[tawdry pecan]

you mean taylor series at 0?

[vapid ridge]

cos 0 is 1 right

[tawdry pecan]

or the value of tan(0)?

[vapid ridge]

value

[tawdry pecan]

is this a textbook problem? I don't understand

[vapid ridge]

part

limits

ill put a help

[tawdry pecan]

yeah i was gonna say you should do that

Sorry that I cant help

[vapid ridge]

its ok

[terse robin]

Hi

[onyx garnet]

Hello, hru? 👋😌

[terse robin]

Im ok, hbu

[onyx garnet]

I am good rn. :))

[terse robin]

What games do you like?

[onyx garnet]

I like Minecraftm

.*

[terse robin]

Id say im good at building in minecraft

[onyx garnet]

Same.

[terse robin]

Many people have said nice thing abt my rustic houses

Grian is still miles ahead tho lol

[onyx garnet]

Oh ok.

I made an Amusement Park today in Minecraft.

[terse robin]

Excuse me, TODAY?

Thats fast

Oh wait

Forgot the time difference

[onyx garnet]

Mhm I finished alr.

[terse robin]

Damn

[onyx garnet]

What is your time zone?

[terse robin]

Im building a little hamlet

[terse robin]

Philippine Standard time

[onyx garnet]

Mine is Eastern Standard Time.

[small dust]

same

[onyx garnet]

Nice. :0

[terse robin]

Wheres that

[small dust]

[onyx garnet]

I am in the state of GA.

[small dust]

not same

[onyx garnet]

Oh. North Carolina?

[small dust]

nope

[onyx garnet]

Ok.

[zealous garden]

Me too!

Oh you meant Georgia?

Nvm

[onyx garnet]

I might have saw you, who knows?

[onyx garnet]

Oh.-

[zealous garden]

[onyx garnet]

[vivid halo]

GA gang rise up

[onyx garnet]

Yes sir or mam or other.

[velvet dagger]

I interpreted that at first as geometric algebra

[abstract robin]

Is there a group theory chat?

[peak tide]

did you check #groups-rings-fields

[abstract robin]

Cheers

Didn't see that

[abstract robin]

Also graph theory

[visual breach]

Lmao

[distant juniper]

How do i know if math as a major is right for me since pre-university math is so much different

[rocky shuttle]

Look into undergrad math

[forest vale]

did you try asking your math teacher?

[forest vale]

math major is fun if you wanna dig deep to understand them all/know more about the wide spectrum of maths

[urban zephyr]

If sectheta + tantheta = 1/k then show that coesectheta = 1+k^2/1-k^2

[forest vale]

undergrad math is just a glimpse of what's really happening behind all the math up till high school, and is a good place for you to really choose which field you wanna proceed in

[ocean harbor]

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[urban zephyr]

!help

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[forest vale]

!help

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[ocean harbor]

can you read what the bot said

[distant juniper]

my math teacher hates her job and doesn't seem to like math and she finds it annoying when I want to know more about a certain mathematical concept we're learning about

[distant juniper]

i wanna do that and maybe even teach math or even do maths research if i am lucky, so i absolutely wanna know more

[vapid ridge]

quick question

is $$cos^2 0 = \cos 0 \cdot \cos 0$$

[fathom swallow]

Maladroit

[vapid ridge]

wtf

[plain owl]

discord is struggling

[neat lintel]

Oh god, oh fuck

I- enrolled into music literature thinking I would just have to read and write stuff

They want me to compose a whole ass opera

save me

[solid snow]

Withdraw

[finite iron]

hi

[onyx garnet]

Hello.😊

[finite iron]

hello there

i'm putting of studying integer programming because its so difficul

[onyx garnet]

Ok.

[neat lintel]

Why is it so difficult?

[finite iron]

Constructing constraints that are linear with integrality constraints are very complicated and hard to find, always creating extra variables... it's too difficult for me

[vocal roost]

Ima evacuate to this chat

[rocky shuttle]

säs

[vocal roost]

säs

[abstract mirage]

Hey guys

Do you think the Gaokao is the number 1 toughest exam?

[vapid ridge]

guys

is sin^2 x = sin x * sin x

[rocky shuttle]

sadly, yes

[neat lintel]

Her asking where I was last night is the toughest exam

[covert nymph]

Given is the following quadratic form
q(x1,x2,x3,x4)=x21 +x2 +x23 +x24 +2x2x3.
(a) Is this quadratic form positive (semi-)definite, negative (semi-)definite or indefinite? Explain briefly.
(b) Find all vectors w⃗ for which q(w⃗) = 0. Explain why you found them all.

[neat lintel]

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[neat lintel]

!latex

[neat lintel]

Is calculus 3 harder or easier than calc 2?

I would assume easier becuase its about vectors

[loud snow]

If you dont know calc yes

Otherwise id say 3 is easier

Parametrization can be hard

But they usually give easy questions

[limpid abyss]

ello

[abstract mirage]

lol

seriously, cuz i see lots of people claiming that the Gaokao is the hardest exam, but there are countries whose students litterally learn calculus, series, complex numbers, algebraic structures and much more just in high school.

[neat lintel]

which countries do that?

[median reef]

my guess is india

[neat lintel]

my guess would be some of the first world countries in and around EU

[graceful storm]

nah

[neat lintel]

I'd say depends on the person as I've seen both opinions

just like how some people find algebra easier than real analysis and some people find real analysis easier than algebra

it's an individual thing

[visual breach]

Isn't that just typical high school topics?

[neat lintel]

the rest seems so but algebraic structures?

[abstract mirage]

complex numbers tho

[visual breach]

Complex numbers are perfectly fine as high school topics

Algebraic structures, I think that one depends.

[rocky shuttle]

group theory should be introduced in elementary school

[abstract mirage]

It Also depends on how much are you studying in each of these topics

[visual breach]

Well yeah but

I don't think one can realistically teach e.g. cauchy integral formula under the "complex numbers" banner.

[neat lintel]

complex numbers aren't that complex

[abstract mirage]

I mean go check tunisia national exam or the moroccan one, it's really not something easy to be learned in high school.

[neat lintel]

seems doable

[visual breach]

I am having trouble searching for it, where can I find it?

[neat lintel]

wher is the meme channnnel

someone help my curiosity

[abstract mirage]

Search in youtube : "The maths tailor morocco 2023" you'll find a french guy doing a correction.

pdf is in the description I guess

[visual breach]

Sorry but I am not going into YouTube to search for this

[abstract mirage]

Shall I send it or what ?

[visual breach]

Could you give e.g. a link to a text article with the questionnaires?

[urban zephyr]

Just a second

[abstract mirage]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CIsYQKKfMZMuqrauUTcq_sOQSdT_8Bdy/view

it's the french version, but you could atleast get an idea on the topics.

[neat lintel]

what's wrong with going to YouTube lol

[visual breach]

There are too many low quality vids to risk my eyes and watch history

[visual breach]

I see, looks pretty standard to me.

While the basic group axioms are in the test, it does not ask about theoretical questions on group theory

[urban zephyr]

What topic are you talking about

[neat lintel]

math

but gotta admit the test looks interesting and tough, but still doable

[abstract mirage]

It's definitely not standard for high school nor that hard as well.

[visual breach]

What do you mean, what are you comparing this with?

Certainly not Gaokao, right

[abstract mirage]

Gaokao ? I think it's pretty average compared to this one

[visual breach]

Wdym 'pretty average'

[abstract mirage]

I really don't think the Gaokao is harder

that's what i mean

[visual breach]

Yeah, I mean I'd not say this one is harder, either

Each of them has its own difficulty, in different ways

Also the topics dealt with in the exam are not difficult, most high schools would teach that I think.

[abstract mirage]

It's really not about the topics, it's about the content.

[visual breach]

I mean, the content as well - it is not really deep, the level is appropriate for HS level.

[abstract mirage]

I gotta disagree man!

[visual breach]

What

How much did you look into education systems of other countries?

[abstract mirage]

Enough to claim that this is one of the hardest.

[visual breach]

Based on what I have seen in Gaokao, I think this one is not particularly harder than that

Though I would not say Gaokao is harder, either.

I also do not think 'One of the hardest' means it is not appropriate.

[abstract mirage]

I have seen some Gaokao tests, and I can tell, it's really about how deep you know about each of the topics you're dealing with. But this one is really something different than that, if you look into the exam carefully you'll see that each question has its own way to be dealt with, and that's what I think is hard about this exam. Definitely not as standard as you thought.

[visual breach]

What do you mean by 'each question has its own way to be dealt with'

[abstract mirage]

take a look at the first exercise and you'll understand what I mean

[visual breach]

An exercise about limit with lots of hints

I cannot understand what the French portion means, but I think you are simply too intimidated at it

[neat lintel]

they even gave the derivative for free

tho I don't understand what the question is asking about it

[abstract mirage]

lol, it's not giving the derivative, you need to calculate it

[neat lintel]

I see it written in question 2

[abstract mirage]

yeah but the question is about proving that the derivative equals the one they've given

[neat lintel]

easier than just asking you to compute it without showing what it looks like

[abstract mirage]

You could say so.

There are also some tricky questions like the one about the inflection point when n is odd

[blazing pawn]

this looks like a pretty standard exam to me ngl

i guess depending on the rigor they expect

to back the computations

[visual breach]

Yeah, that was my impression as well

[calm vessel]

seems like a solid exam
but it's not torturous like the Gaokao or JEE

[agile chasm]

need help dm me pls

[neat lintel]

hello

can u help me?

oh nvm forget it

[junior hatch]

good to see you again btw @reef carbon

[agile chasm]

what adds to make 24 and times to make -36

[junior hatch]

wait so what ur saying is

x + y = 24, and x * y = -36?

[agile chasm]

check dms

[rotund linden]

The base ABCD of the pyramid ABCDM is a trapezoid with a large base AB=a, the Hip BC of
the trapezoid ABCD makes an angle a with the base AB and is perpendicular to the diagonal AC
The surrounding edges of the pyramid make equal angles with the plane of the base. If
The face of the triangle ABM = 2 the face ABCD. To find the value of a for which the volume of the pyramid is the largest.

[frail notch]

So I’m in Grade 9 Pre-IB, and I just got my grade 10 course selection and I was just wondering what the “m” means at the end? I got two sheets, one being for academic and one being for IB, and math for academic is mpm2d, while on the IB sheet, it says mpm2dm. Will I be in a different class from? I thought that happens in grade 11 when IB actually starts.

[mossy roost]

hello guys does someone know solving simple economic calculations?

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[ocean harbor]

day 137 of hating java, let's go

[cinder zephyr]

grinding g+?

[woven whale]

what even is the point of wanting to have g+ besides it just being a status symbol

[plain owl]

you get access to some new things

[woven whale]

its one channel

[plain owl]

which are mostly not that useful

[woven whale]

isnt it

[plain owl]

if you're not active it still gives you image perms

and you also get a VC

[woven whale]

ah

[deep mango]

You get people sending you dms asking for help with dumb stuff

[plain owl]

legit happened multiple times to me already

only one of them I even knew beforehand

[woven whale]

"please verify my proof of the collatz conjecture"

[deep mango]

What's better than grad+ is putting "phd student" in your about me because people think that means i have a phd instead of thinking im studying for one

[ocean harbor]

im not even a grad student yet but people keep dming for their math help

[plain owl]

wow, you have a phd but still go to university to study

[deep mango]

Well, i'm working on my 4th phd.

[plain owl]

that would be so insane

what do you do btw

[deep mango]

This one is going to be in generalized googology and inaccessible power towers

[deep mango]

Being real i work on fluid PDEs (but the pure side, no numerics)

[plain owl]

it's an actual question

do you do anything with C_0-semigroups?

[deep mango]

They come up fairly often, though idk the abstract semigroup theory yet as much as I should

[plain owl]

I wrote my master thesis on irreducible C_0-semigroups

I don't know much about the concrete PDEs 😄

[deep mango]

Oh cool, I should definitely read some more. Before I got into PDEs I was mostly into operator theory and dynamics so I think I would like that stuff, based on the few talks ive seen

[plain owl]

I do like the dynamics part a lot

I'm considering doing more on that in my PhD

[deep mango]

It's definitely a bubble of people who think very strangely about math, IDK if ill do it forever but I think im kinda mired in it for the PhD

Because of departmental focus

And I definitely dont mind having a physics bent to what im doing

[plain owl]

that does always irk me

not that I don't like doing what I'm doing

but the reasons do

[deep mango]

Yeah

I mean im lucky to be in a place with huge diversity of interests within analysis, so that's good

[deep mango]

Are you in a phd program right now?

[plain owl]

just starting

[deep mango]

From what I understand PhDs in europe can either be applying with a particular advisor or applying to a department

[plain owl]

well I do have a specific advisorr

but there is still the formal process through the university

[deep mango]

Whereas in the US since the masters gets folded in there's a lot of flexibility of topic

[deep mango]

I see

[plain owl]

the formal process is kind of a sham tho

[deep mango]

But maybe you have some room to pick a direction within your broader area it sounds

[plain owl]

yes, it will take a bit to crystallize out

[deep mango]

Ça va, yes

I hope that I didnt just say something bad

[ocean harbor]

scripting chatgpt

how you are finding js?

[opaque dawn]

pretty cool

[ocean harbor]

true it's pretty cool but not like public static void string args in java

I like js more than java

[opaque dawn]

Well, ts is better than js

just for autocompletion

[ocean harbor]

yeye

[opaque dawn]

I like java but it's so slow

[ocean harbor]

and shit

ive made a geometry dash game for a class, whatchu think about it

[junior hatch]

#help-16 message
@hollow ravine sorry i didn't catch you earlier, but tyvm for the keywords, i'll look into these

[ocean harbor]

thats java btw

[junior hatch]

it looks hard

[ocean harbor]

im crying it is indeed hard

can't even connect the sound to it either

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1175903170464059533.webp?size=128&quality=lossless

[bronze pelican]

I'm considering getting a framework laptop

[woven whale]

use proper package structuring

[junior hatch]

the gameplay itself tho, it looks like a challenging game

[south jasper]

Even though it looks rough, to make this game in java is an accomplisment worth being proud off, did you use any external gaming libraries?

[ocean harbor]

I did

[ocean harbor]

looks like you've never played geometry dash before lmao

[ocean harbor]

I used jframes

[south jasper]

Even i have been programming in java for more than a year, i never tried to make anything more complex than a command line app, i should get out of my confort zone a bit.

[ocean harbor]

what projects have you done

do you have a github account

[south jasper]

hmm, seems fun, though am not sure of the java gaming landscape, what is considered to be the go to gaming library is a mystry to me.

[ocean harbor]

I don't even know what library ive used because all i do i see my teacher's example and then start doing mine

[south jasper]

Not projects per say, more like exercises, all command line apps, boring as f

[south jasper]

I actaully made one like a month ago, i don't know how to use it one bit though, i just made it so that i could log into a site.

right now, i focus more on my studies than software engineering, am sure i can pick everything related to making software after i have some free time and am free from this laborious studying hell.

[ocean harbor]

those ones are indeed boring and easy to do

especially it gets harder if you try write a code on paper because you can't think if you have errors while writing your code on paper

I've done my first project before starting my final project

it was arkanoid game

[woven whale]

you didn't

you just put everything in the default package

furthermore you should use a build tool like gradle instead of relying on IntelliJs system

[ocean harbor]

I made folders for images and src only

but I get what you mean

[south jasper]

Those were my programming exams, the "guess the output" questions were the worst.

It got even worse with data structures, man every damn pen and paper programming question required so much deliberation, you needed to think up a plan of how you gonna procced because if you didn't you would be screwed when you inevitably have to deal with some complications with the solution.

And now you had to deal with all possible edge cases, those were troublesome to deal with.

and the "guess the output" question now where on overdrive, they where incomprehensible, man i freaking hated those the most, you needed to turn into a human debugger capable of reading the most BS code imaginable.

[ocean harbor]

lmfao

[ocean harbor]

also look at the first project I did (it was terrible)

and i used drjava

[south jasper]

will, am proud at least that am able to understand the jest of it

though that way you made bricks, you could have used Random object to randomize the color of each brick

also why is it flashing so much?

[ocean harbor]

yeah idk

I didn't have enough time figuring out how do I fix it

it's joever

it is just me or it could be the drjava editor? because I found drjava sucks

[south jasper]

pro that is the first time i heard of such an IDE

for java it's eclipse of intellij (the king of java IDE's)

or if you are feeling esoteric, you could use vs code

[ocean harbor]

I tried copying the code from IntelliJ editor to drjava and it didn't work at school pc

so I told my parents to bring their laptop cuz the school pc one always have permission to administrator

[south jasper]

probably something to do with different versions of the java JDK.

[ocean harbor]

hmmm

[south jasper]

though am not sure.

[ocean harbor]

ive uninstalled drjava now so im not sure which IDE it was there

probably the old version? can't remember