serious-discussion

[velvet dagger]

So in that message you already made a claim that Christianity is true

Doing that on the internet instantly makes you susceptible to scrutiny

And due to the nature of your faith and your lack of understanding about how to argue

[torn willow]

Also you are assuming that Original sin exists

[velvet dagger]

You are not able to defend it against scrutiny

Corollary it doesn't really make sense to even start that

[radiant pagoda]

then you could look Him up, but even then ppl in some random tribes without internet can be saved and God can reach them

[neat lintel]

how do I not fail maths?

[radiant pagoda]

ye thats a big thing

[velvet dagger]

I understand you feel strongly about your faith but unfortunately you are just not the person who can defend it well

[radiant pagoda]

idk how to reach the unbeliever

[velvet dagger]

So the only way to win is to not try

[torn willow]

Why should I abandon my culture for a random God

I guess that's why missionaries' work is hard

[neat lintel]

anyone?

[radiant pagoda]

because He rose from the dead and told us and there were multiple witnesses and prophecies about Him and other things like psalm 22 and Isaiah 53

[radiant pagoda]

ye

[arctic grove]

There is no secret to it

practice it

[rocky shuttle]

believe in math

[radiant pagoda]

u gotta do a bunch of problems

[torn willow]

That's gibberish to anyone who doesn't know Christian mythology

[velvet dagger]

So yeah I'm gonna pull the plug on that conversation. I don't really think that right now we're in a position to do it well

So caleb I'm gonna say keep it to the math, maybe only talk religion with other believers going forward

[radiant pagoda]

im just tryna spread the Gospel

thats my main point

[velvet dagger]

Yeah the problem is spreading it badly actually turns people away

[radiant pagoda]

i want ppl to be saved

ye

[velvet dagger]

Because your defense of Christianity frankly makes no sense

[neat lintel]

from what exactly

[radiant pagoda]

the second death (hell)

[neat lintel]

okay what if I want to be destroyed

?

[velvet dagger]

And then it makes it seem like oh every time a Christian tries to talk about their religion they make no sense? Guess they must be wrong

[long matrix]

I don't need random strangers on discord to tell me what to believe
Last thing that's gonna convince me of anything

[radiant pagoda]

then God will do it

[velvet dagger]

And that's a message you don't wanna communicate

[rocky shuttle]

believe in catgirls

[long matrix]

waw

[neat lintel]

uwu

[rocky shuttle]

uwu

[neat lintel]

hzhhhahha

[velvet dagger]

So yeah let's revert to the math

Starting from this line

[radiant pagoda]

ight

[arctic grove]

ok sloth

[radiant pagoda]

yall have a nice day

[arctic grove]

teach me maths

[neat lintel]

how do I pass mah

math?

[neat lintel]

fr

I AM FAILING MATH

[leaden torrent]

the original sin is (e^ix - e^-ix)/2i

[neat lintel]

so the original cos is (e^ix + e^-ix)/2

[torn willow]

No that's the co sin

[rocky shuttle]

I'm an excosec

[neat frost]

Hmm

[neat lintel]

[neat lintel]

Rude!

i'm failing at my life

wdym get a job?

no one understands me

[fair mural]

is that uwu or

[rocky shuttle]

I don't see how that could be related to uwu

[fair mural]

[neat lintel]

Kid named IDMCe:

[rocky shuttle]

I bought these for a friend of mine who is obsessed with HK once.

[fair mural]

cute

[rocky shuttle]

nothing can beat the uwuness

[neat lintel]

Nice

[fair mural]

ok but have you seen the grubs

[rocky shuttle]

uwu?

[fair mural]

very

[fair mural]

it’s the green thing here

[rocky shuttle]

yeah, I've seen them

[fair mural]

best character not gonna lie

[neat lintel]

bro plays hollow knight

[fair mural]

a lot of it in fact…

[rocky shuttle]

there's no end to it?

[fair mural]

there are endings but i just do low equipment challenges at this point

[long matrix]

meow

[sly bramble]

[lone root]

I need to get back into Hollow knight 😔😔

[junior jolt]

math

the land of skill issue

😔

[bronze pelican]

Thats not a head pat

Thats more like a head dribble

[long matrix]

head smack

[brittle socket]

Noo why is the advanced role getting removed

[long matrix]

haha get good

[brittle socket]

I just hope I won't need graduate+ to look at the channels categorised under advanced mathematics

[fleet oyster]

mods said ug+

and the roles aren't about your position in a university but roughly where your math level is, so you should be good

[long matrix]

u dont need any roles to do this

[brittle socket]

Oh nice

[fleet oyster]

oh yeah to just look you never needed roles for that

[brittle socket]

Yeah I know this

[brittle socket]

Oh yeah I forgot
Been too long since I didn't have the advanced role. Self-assigned it last time to talk about some stuff

[fresh ginkgo]

https://iai.tv/articles/most-truths-cannot-be-expressed-in-language-auid-2335?_auid=2020

my theoretical computer science prof wrote this

it feels like discrete math

just hoping to share his thoughts hes a nice guy dealing with a lot these days 😌

[slim gull]

Hello

[brisk crag]

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLybg94GvOJ9FoGQeUMFZ4SWZsr30jlUYK

would you recommend this playlist?

[sharp mulch]

For what purposes

Obviously this doesn’t have like

[brisk crag]

For learning math.....

[sharp mulch]

Practice problems

Which you need

[brisk crag]

oh

[sharp mulch]

Because practice is important

[brisk crag]

the "why" wasn't for you 😓

[frigid matrix]

i was a joker

[brisk crag]

oh

[sharp mulch]

This is also not all of math as the playlist title seems to suggest

[brisk crag]

well I have some glimpse on Algebra (pre + 1), Trigonometry (very basics)

and whenever I try to solve problems on these topics, I found myself lost sometime

so I wanted to start off

[sharp mulch]

Strong foundations are important

[brisk crag]

yeah, I think I'm lacking of this thing ^

so where from you'd suggest me to learn those?

[sharp mulch]

Have you tried khan academy before

[brisk crag]

so I decided to look up in these channels and websites:
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfessorDaveExplains
https://www.youtube.com/@TheOrganicChemistryTutor
https://www.khanacademy.org

[brisk crag]

yeah

[sharp mulch]

Did it work for you

[grim nebula]

I try it actually, it’s very a good website. But I think we have to discuss about things we learn to have a good understanding ykwim

[brisk crag]

well, I was taking tests from there

[sharp mulch]

Oh well it also has practice problems

[brisk crag]

these

I was practicing these problems (pre-alg)

[sharp mulch]

That’s good

[grim nebula]

You only practice on this website or you complete with another exercices to have more ?

[sharp mulch]

Yes they have calculus problems

[grim nebula]

Bad translation, I edit just now

[sharp mulch]

Oh I see

[brisk crag]

there's what they have

[sharp mulch]

I think their practice problems are pretty comprehensive

[brisk crag]

so, these course are enough for now?

[sharp mulch]

You should also check high school geometry and trigonometry I think

[brisk crag]

oh

thanks a lot! ❤️

also what about other science subjects?

[sharp mulch]

What about them

I am not aware of sites similar to khan academy for other subjects

[serene pulsar]

helloooo

any other autistic queer nerds here?

[mint canopy]

No, there are no such people on a public math discord

Haha I am joking we are like, 90% that by volume

[serene pulsar]

perfect

I really want to get into math but it's hard with mental illness to self study despite my love for it. I tried learning a bit here before and I learned some fundamentals and that was cool

I'm excited to enroll in college even though I feel like I've delayed it for too long (I'll be 23 when I start) and I want to minor in math.

[long matrix]

For me it is most helpful to discuss with people it

[serene pulsar]

Yeah I've always found that immersing yourself in a subject's culture integrates it really well into your mind, such that it comes easier than just studying it as a skill.

[mint canopy]

Math culture

[torn willow]

I mean Math culture is fine compared to other cultures

[sharp mulch]

Ummm

[halcyon lichen]

bruh

[sharp mulch]

It's better than CS culture at least

[mint canopy]

Haha that's true

[torn willow]

I mean if culture refers to history of math academia ig it's kinda

[mint canopy]

Tbh the old guard of math culture is sifting out and I've found that young people are redefining it somewhat

It's getting better I think

But still

Not the best

[serene pulsar]

see, computer engineering is what I want my major to be.

[mint canopy]

🫂

[sharp mulch]

I'm sorry for your loss

[serene pulsar]

LMAO

[mint canopy]

It's fun but be prepared for people who aren't very nice to autistic queer nerds

[halcyon lichen]

i hate cs man smh

[torn willow]

So we are ratting out on Ange now?

[halcyon lichen]

but everyone in my class digs it

[sharp mulch]

???

[serene pulsar]

I kind of expect that because I had a friend that did electrical engineering and I would do his homework and he was an ass lol. I realized that too late

[torn willow]

It's called humor by taking things literally and out of context

[serene pulsar]

I love cybersecurity and engineering, but computer science doesn't sound as endearing to me.

[torn willow]

Relatable

[sharp mulch]

Literally who here am I mean to

[torn willow]

No, It's just a thing intentionally taken out-of-context

[sharp mulch]

Anyways so as we were saying

Old professors = likely to be problematic, etc...

Young people = generally supportive, many are autistic/queer themselves

[mint canopy]

I think... let me see

[serene pulsar]

I snuck into one of his engineering classes and the professor was an old dude that kind of sucked as a professor but I found him really funny in an ironic way.

[neat frost]

Wdym CS culture is pure and accepting and helpful and nice and amazing

[torn willow]

Cue the cheating

[sharp mulch]

At my undergrad CS (and bio) majors would intentionally sabotage each other

[mint canopy]

Yeah like, young people in math are so overwhelmingly queer it's stunning

[neat frost]

I am a CSer and I am an amazing human being

[neat frost]

Wtf?

[long matrix]

ok

[mint canopy]

Please elaborate...

[neat frost]

Actually all of the undergrads that I've talked to from my uni seem very helpful and nice

[sharp mulch]

In the past, you needed at 3.3+ gpa to declare CS

[long matrix]

compared to you

[sharp mulch]

And the intro classes were graded on a curve

As a result...

[eager reef]

oh

[neat frost]

Oh damn

[mint canopy]

You've been quite lucky, I think. I've met some really uh... difficult people in CS/math. I've met some lovely ones as well but we roll

[sharp mulch]

They have since changed how major declaration works for CS

[torn willow]

What happens when you can't declare a major

[neat frost]

There used to be a minimum grade to get into CS, but they significantly reduced it the year after I got in

[sharp mulch]

Not necessarily for the better, though

You can always declare a different major

[torn willow]

So declaring is getting into a major?

Or is it finishing one?

[sharp mulch]

Getting into one

Not finishing

[neat frost]

I've met people like that too (whenever I look in a mirror)

[torn willow]

Ok that makes sense

[mint canopy]

I assume you're referring to the lovely people

[eager reef]

no

[neat frost]

Timo???

I'm getting bullied here and in chill wtf

[torn willow]

There are 3 people inside Slurp

[eager reef]

let's bully slurp in a third channel as well

which one are we choosing

[neat frost]

Your mom, your dad, and Timo's mom

[serene pulsar]

love that cat

[eager reef]

[trim vessel]

Hi

[undone cobalt]

It's not a generalized rule

I have seen quite the opposite

Age doesn't matter here but rather the personality of the person

[wooden flax]

my first final is in

81.6

[serene pulsar]

Nice!!!

[vocal vessel]

When doing constraints on a problem you often see stuff like:

1 ≤ t ≤ 100
0 ≤ x ≤ 10

How do you indicate that x and t will only be whole numbers?

[sharp mulch]

You write $t, x\in\Z$

[fathom swallow]

守沢千秋

[vocal vessel]

Oo another Chiaki 😅

[sharp mulch]

[vocal vessel]

What is Z?

[sharp mulch]

Integers

[vocal vessel]

Ok thanks

[vocal vessel]

Even if it’s just a character I’m happy to see another male Chiaki 😅

[sharp mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/chiaki-chiaki-morisawa-morisawa-chiaki-enstars-chiaki-enstars-gif-22151643

[vocal vessel]

おはよう

Can I dm you?

[sharp mulch]

Why…

[vocal vessel]

😅 it’s cool if the answer is no. Just asking for permission instead of just being bothersome

[sharp mulch]

I mean dms are ok if there is a purpose

[woven whale]

does anything have a purpose to begin with

[surreal sapphire]

i am dming you about your cars extended warranty

[vocal vessel]

I was just being friendly. I was mostly just excited to see my name

[sharp mulch]

[cinder zephyr]

https://arxiv.org/pdf/2212.09835.pdf

[bronze pelican]

Ain't no way

[long matrix]

is arxiv the crank one or not

[neat frost]

Is 4 color theorem the computer one?

[wooden flax]

DANG

[neat frost]

Not

[cinder zephyr]

the authors seems like good people

[cinder zephyr]

yes

[neat frost]

Okay damn then

Couldn't remember if it was 3 or 4 color one

[wooden flax]

yeah 4 color was run at i think... uiuc?

[neat frost]

3 color is the NP one then right?

[cinder zephyr]

arxiv has both crank and not crank, it's not peer reviewed but many many many good papers get posted there before it goes out to a journal

[wooden flax]

3 color is np complete

[cinder zephyr]

yea 3 color is NP complete

2 color is trivial

[wooden flax]

yup

[long matrix]

ic ic

[cinder zephyr]

4 color is also NP-complete in general (in fact k color is NP complete in general) but the 4 color theorem is about the planar case

[neat frost]

Yeah right

[cinder zephyr]

and saying that every planar graph is 4 colorable

[neat frost]

Hmm and only 7 pages?

[cinder zephyr]

I haven't read through it yet

[neat frost]

I stopped at like the first sentence lol

[cinder zephyr]

although I doubt if there are issues I'll find them

[wooden flax]

^

[cinder zephyr]

I'm still in big mode

[wooden flax]

haha

[sharp mulch]

Analysis wins again

[river moon]

another option is to introduce constraint sin(pi * x) = 0

[cinder zephyr]

It would be cool if this actually turns out to be fully correct

It's short so probably people much smarter than me have either verified it or found mistakes

[frigid matrix]

Any tips for applying to jobs while doing the graduate school wait?

I have only studied pure math but have programming exp nothing public just personal projects

[long matrix]

spam technique is a general tip i think

[frigid matrix]

spam technique?

[long matrix]

apply to many

[long matrix]

and this is fine, can still go on cv

[frigid matrix]

i guess I want to craft a better CV

also if I dont get into grad school i would think i would like a job in something finance related like options trading but I would not know

i have one last semester at school is there any thing you think I could do that could prep me for this potentially?

[long matrix]

options, cool

[frigid matrix]

i dont know anything about it lol

[long matrix]

i would comment that if u meant pure as opposed to applied

then u have some learning to do

ideally before u apply

Impressive if u understand black scholes stuff and where the derivation comes from

and more, say.

[velvet dagger]

Quant finance requires some heavy interview prep

[frigid matrix]

yes

[long matrix]

So specifically, stochastic calc, probability, pdes probably

[frigid matrix]

I am aware of this and if I dont get into grad school I would dedicate my time to this

[velvet dagger]

Eh

So for undergrad you'd look at quant trading, grad at quant research

[long matrix]

for courses u could take that are related

[frigid matrix]

grad at quant research?

[velvet dagger]

Grad students look at quant research

[frigid matrix]

i recently took a graduate probability course lol

[velvet dagger]

Implicit distributive law lol

[frigid matrix]

well shit

doing research would be cool as hell

[velvet dagger]

But yeah I think stochastic calc, first off in any event I get the vibe that as time goes on shit like Black-Scholes becomes less useful

In favor of e.g. ML

[frigid matrix]

oh cool

im planning to self learn some stats this break also

i want to learn about linear models

[velvet dagger]

But also if you're an undergrad applying to quant trading jobs my impression is that you're more applying trade strategies than developing them (that's quant research)

[frigid matrix]

yeah i figured lol

im also coming from pure math

[velvet dagger]

So really what's most useful is being able to do probability/calc/linear algebra questions quickly

[frigid matrix]

how tf do i apply for these jobs

[velvet dagger]

As well as some basic data science

[frigid matrix]

what could i say that makes sense markting wise

[long matrix]

can u name me some examples of strategies; curious wym exactly

[velvet dagger]

I mean the strategies I'd wager are mostly proprietary (even if I knew I prob couldn't tell you)

But like pricing model is what I mean

[long matrix]

oh ok

oh i thought there were some generic examples

[velvet dagger]

We'll offer the stock at price X and buy it at price Y

[long matrix]

apart from b-s

[velvet dagger]

And you determine what X and Y are based on whatever data and quantitative models you have

[long matrix]

when u said trade strategies i didn't think u meant pricing

[velvet dagger]

I think that's what it means, there could be more to it

[long matrix]

(as in delta neutral, stuff like that, but that doesnt exactly require that much math to comprehend)

[velvet dagger]

I'm also really pure math at the moment, I only know anything about finance because it's my most likely non-academic choice

[long matrix]

ah i thought u already were working as quant

[frigid matrix]

r u a postdoc or smth?

[velvet dagger]

So I've been passively looking at it in hopes of getting an internship there

[long matrix]

ic ic.

[velvet dagger]

GK Dey: grad student

[frigid matrix]

lol nice @

[long matrix]

tradfi or crypto?

or dont care

[velvet dagger]

Don't particularly care, crypto feels more volatile which probably means there's more room to do well but also to get rekt

[frigid matrix]

ive gave it some thought and i really do i want to go to grad school, but id feel foolish if I dont get in and have to work a job that has nothing to do with my degree

[long matrix]

exactly my thoughts

its also immature

so like theres more room for innovation perhaps?

idk

[velvet dagger]

While the more standard shenanigans feel safer/established

Probably what I'll do is apply to the usual companies

And then when I'm there I can learn from them and decide if I wanna zoom in on bonds vs options vs crypto vs etc

[long matrix]

well also - you may not necessarily care that much about getting rekt

apart from losing the job

[velvet dagger]

That's a big "apart"

[frigid matrix]

how do you grad students feel about grad school so far

i dont think I will regret it but i am curious the perspective

i think i will enjoy a lot of it

but not the poverty

[long matrix]

ig its also something u dont wanna put on your cv. i used to be quant at this company thats no longer around

[velvet dagger]

The money depends on where you are (cost of living) and certain background circumstances, such as whether you have student loans, if you're raising a family it's very not fun, etc

But if you're single and have no loans then honestly it's fine

[frigid matrix]

yeah im a man without loans or a babe

[long matrix]

country dependent, uk at least, i dont think loans or no loans actually matters?

[velvet dagger]

Yeah but then you're in the UK

So it kinda balances out

[long matrix]

[frigid matrix]

dang

lol

[long matrix]

does it not work the same elsewhere

in UK, its basically 9% additional income tax that gets wiped after 30 yrs

not truly a loan

[frigid matrix]

holy shit lol

that sounds terrible i wont lie

[long matrix]

its actually profitable/good in most cases I believe.

but that depends

[long matrix]

the point being, in most cases u arent paying back in full (taking into account interest)

if u pay back in full already, ofc u stop paying

[frigid matrix]

if you make 100k usd what is income tax in Uk

[neat lintel]

no tax

[long matrix]

ah yh income tax is shit in uk lmao

[neat lintel]

since its not in british pounds

[long matrix]

0-12k free
12-50k 20%
50k-100k 40%
100k+ 50%

[frigid matrix]

ye i mean gdb or whatever its called

[long matrix]

i think its something like this

[frigid matrix]

the equivalent*

[velvet dagger]

Taxes are rough there dam

[frigid matrix]

Lol

[long matrix]

indeed, im outa here asap

since im remote

[frigid matrix]

that place fucking sucks xd

[velvet dagger]

But yeah here student loans build interest

[frigid matrix]

100% tax

[long matrix]

it sucks less if u have kids

[frigid matrix]

o

[long matrix]

cus child benefits or whatever

and healthcare

thats basically what your tax pays

[velvet dagger]

Not 100%, it's that half the dollars you make after 100k are taxed at 50%

[frigid matrix]

i was making dumb joke my bad

[velvet dagger]

Oh lol

You sounded serious

[long matrix]

100% tax is not serious

[neat lintel]

wow the highest in american is 37% after 535k

[long matrix]

535k wow

[frigid matrix]

its still very bad though

bruh literally land of dreams

[long matrix]

who the hell makes 535k

ceo?

[velvet dagger]

Does UK have any "Local income tax"?

[frigid matrix]

i hope to be taxed 37%

[long matrix]

dont think so

afaik, theres just one income tax we need to pay

[velvet dagger]

Like in the US, each state has their own income tax (sometimes none)

[neat lintel]

but its a different system where the money before is at 10,12,22,24,32

[velvet dagger]

Gotcha, so depending on where you live the American taxes can catch up to the UK taxes

[neat lintel]

ofc but usually doctors and people who work at newer firms

also lawyers

[frigid matrix]

ok i should focus on making backup plan for becoming a quant researcher potentially

[long matrix]

damn didnt know

[velvet dagger]

Don't rely on it yeah GK Dey, it's mad competitive

I'd say also look at tech but uhhhhh

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Hahaha

[frigid matrix]

i mean my previous dream was a pipedream in reality

[neat lintel]

yes but its usually only if you make the big bucks in california and such. regular ppl dont notice it

[frigid matrix]

i want to become a math researcher

like at a company or smth

[long matrix]

dont talk money then lmao

[velvet dagger]

Yeah true mango, my impression is that on average Americans have more disposable income than a lot of Europe

[long matrix]

oh ok at a company, i think thats better but idk

[frigid matrix]

but grad apps just submitted and im feeling low luck so i gotta think elsewhere for now

[velvet dagger]

Especially if you have good health insurance and live in a state which has good public universities

[frigid matrix]

ive heard company mathematician is stupidly competitive cuz only top tier companies have those positions

[velvet dagger]

Correct

[long matrix]

oh ok, not quite what i said

but bad

with this addendum smh

[frigid matrix]

bruh this is reasonable

with all the social programs in UK i couldnt be mad as a citizen

[frigid matrix]

when did u get ur job and what is it exactly?

[long matrix]

I work at rysk.finance as a junior quant

2 months ago

thing is with me, my friend introduced me, so my application process was far simpler

[frigid matrix]

u like it so far?

also did ur friend work ther or smth?

[acoustic oak]

I've been trying to get congruences from Number Theory and every time I think I get them, something new appears...

[next blade]

all the generalizations thereof, and there's books on the subject. the details may be proprietary (but you don't really make money on back of a pricing model anyway, though depends on the product)

[long matrix]

yes

[long matrix]

learnt a lot

[frigid matrix]

right out of undergrad too?

[long matrix]

yes

so before i applied i had no financial knowledge whatsoever

im probably lucky in this regard

[frigid matrix]

ay lets go

im proud of you my mate

[cinder zephyr]

I think this is really common in quant finance

the mindset seems to be that it's easier to teach someone the finance than teach someone the math / CS

so you find the people who know math and CS and then they can learn the finance on the fly

[long matrix]

indeed.

idk about really common though

[next blade]

it depends on what you count as quant finance, but yes there are many openings that emphasize quantitative skills over financial knowledge for entry level candidates. obviously nowadays there's many degrees targeting the field (e.g. MFE), so some finance (or, well, at least financial math) is taught as part of those courses

[long matrix]

When you have 3 currencies and 3 exchanges like A-B, B-C, A-C
Is there some sort of condition their 3 volatillies have to satisfy?

I'm guessing something like triangle ineq. And i feel like area of the triangle would be a measure of correlation or something . . .

[jovial ember]

Chmonkeyquality

[cinder zephyr]

Who here as setup a personal site?

Specifically anyone here have opinions about Hugo vs Jekyll vs Gatsby for a math / CS blog?

So I need good LaTeX support

[sharp mulch]

I have a personal site but don’t have any math writing on it

I may investigate this as well

I have a GitHub pages site with Jekyll

[next blade]

yes, exactly that, but it gets a bit more involved with a smile

[cinder zephyr]

Ok update: Am trying stuff with Hugo

for now the plan tonight is to revamp my current personal page

and then tomorrow I will try to figure out LaTeX stuff

so that I may pass on the wisdom later

I wanna do a math blog

soooo need good LaTeX support lmfao

[neat lintel]

i havent rly looked into it too much but i kinda like mathjax for math rendering in browsers
https://www.mathjax.org/

well im just speaking from how i saw it used on that abstract algebra website

like its pretty cool how this window shows up and gives you some nice options (http://abstract.ups.edu/aata/sets-exercises.html)

[jovial ember]

Hi Rakki

U should go 2 sleep

[neat lintel]

lol okay

[neat lintel]

Did anyone here find it awkward when you first got an ipad and the digital pen to write neat?

[brittle socket]

Yeah

My handwriting on the iPad is still not that great

[neat lintel]

Nobody can make better predictions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TB79fG8WyQ

[void tundra]

i just use paper lmaooooo

[void tundra]

Makes the screen quality worse so if you use it to consume content

[brittle socket]

Consume content?

You mean more math?

[cold needle]

do you find the apple pencil tip degrading due to any friction or not really

[tall badge]

man i wore away a pen tip on a matte film in like 3 days

i liked the feel of matte but had to revert back to glass

[tall badge]

i have replacement tips but i still wouldnt want to have to replace a tip every week or so

[cold needle]

apple pencil tips from apple are 20 bucks for 4 of them

i am going to stick to glass for now

[vivid halo]

some screen protectors are better than others about this

but yeah unfortunately you have to replace the tips somewhat often if you have a matte screen protector

[short plume]

What I would do is tell a specific story that demonstrates your love of math. Or maybe how you told a math joke to your math buddies. Yes, everybody will probably say something along the lines that they think of math as a hobby. But if you tell o story about how you saved the day using linear algebra, then you can communicate the same idea in a more interesting and personal way.

[bronze pelican]

Saved the day using linear algebra

[cinder zephyr]

I hate screen protectors for my iPad

they always feel weird

the tips are replaceable yea

[wooden dirge]

What emoji would you use in association for definitions?

[sharp mulch]

[long matrix]

<

[zealous garden]

🤓

[wooden dirge]

For now I am using a lightbulb. Any other serious suggestion?

[cold needle]

🔺

[ionic star]

🏛️

[zealous garden]

📝

I hope you're not implying my first suggestion was a joke

because it wasn't

[long matrix]

this is the best one so far

[storm sage]

I don't know why, but this feels like a definition to me🍐

[frigid matrix]

🕴️

[long matrix]

how is that levitate

dumbass discord

its gotta be some kung fu master with crossed legs or summin

[frigid matrix]

levitation was invented before kung fu

[zealous garden]

Levitation was invented by Nicholas Cage in 1822 to Help Abraham Lincoln with the war against the vampires

It was soon stolen by the enemy and led to one of the bloodiest conflicts that The Organization (TM) has had to cover up

[long matrix]

shush

[hollow jackal]

wake up babe new channel names dropped

[long matrix]

that sounds old

u sure levitation can beat that

[jovial ember]

Yeah

Levitate high up and drop bowling balls on them

[untold sapphire]

ey

[brittle socket]

Hi Clerk

[neat lintel]

Are #modeling and #optimization the only new channels or are there others

[leaden torrent]

read #changelog

[long matrix]

#1055183210444763205

[peak tide]

#changelog says that #numerical-analysis is new, but it doesn't appear to be. Not that it matters one way or the other..

[river moon]

it's #applied-math renamed

[brittle socket]

Is it normal to be 113 pages into a math book but have a latex pdf that's 101 pages long lol

[woven whale]

may be tinier text

cuz computer

[brittle socket]

Ah yeah it is

I print two pages of it on one A4

[brittle socket]

Oh but the latex pdf I'm referring to is my own lmao. Which contains my compilation of theorems from the book (just the statements themselves), self-proofs for some of them, some self-exercises, and exercises from the author

Is this normal?

[void tundra]

er

show sample?

[brittle socket]

Sure

[void tundra]

you're adding self-proofs and self-exercises

[brittle socket]

Yeah but I don't prove all the theorems

I have like 6 or 7 self-exercises right now

[void tundra]

wow that is a lot of stuff

I mean

It doesn't sound like a cause for concern ngl

sometimes I can go through 10 sheets of (A4) paper (double-sided) on a single theorem

[brittle socket]

Ah yeah I was just curious whether this is normal

[brittle socket]

Soon enough, I probably will experience that

[void tundra]

that's a real anal moment

[brittle socket]

Yeah that's what I guessed lmao

[void tundra]

lmao

ur from singapore?

[brittle socket]

Yeah

You too?

[void tundra]

ye

[brittle socket]

Ah nice

[void tundra]

just chilling arnd rn since im not required to be a slave

aka conscription

[brittle socket]

Are you male?

[void tundra]

yup

[brittle socket]

Iirc you told me you got exempted right

[void tundra]

yup

[brittle socket]

Nice

[void tundra]

oh your page lengths could be due to your spacing

and your very liberal use of $$ instead of $

[brittle socket]

Ah yeah that's true

[void tundra]

and also things like this

so yeah

the book is shorter because it leaves the full details as exercises for the reader

[brittle socket]

Oh yeah true

[void tundra]

Oh btw do you know

a guy who's initials I'll call tch

[brittle socket]

uh no

[void tundra]

oh

sadge

[brittle socket]

[void tundra]

I thought you are in some mathematics telegram chat

[brittle socket]

Nah

I don't use telegram

[void tundra]

interesting that you decided to start with set theory btw?

[brittle socket]

Or instagram, twitter, facebook, or tiktok lmao

[brittle socket]

Yeah I got interested in learning about cardinals and ordinals, as well as axiomatic foundations so I decided to read Enderton. But, after completing Enderton I probably wouldn't be returning to foundations for some time

[void tundra]

ye foundations look painful

what else have you read

[brittle socket]

A tiny tiny bit of Friedberg

[void tundra]

I found friedberg incredibly terse

which I guess is the point

it feels to me like more of a reference book

[brittle socket]

Till linear independence and dependence, but Enderton's still more interesting right now for me tbh

[void tundra]

construction of R in chapter 5 💀

[brittle socket]

Hm I have heard people say its a gentle intro

[void tundra]

idk maybe I just found LA boring

[brittle socket]

Tbh I think this chapter has been quite interesting

[void tundra]

well it's interesting for sure

it's just

lol

[brittle socket]

Yeah for me right now, LA doesn't seem that interesting. But I think it'll probably get more so later on

[void tundra]

pma had it in chapter 1 in a prev edition

[brittle socket]

Ah I see

[void tundra]

but he moved it lol

[brittle socket]

Anyways, gotta go first, bye.

[void tundra]

bb

[brittle socket]

[void tundra]

nice chat

[brittle socket]

Yeah

[void tundra]

btw (arbitrary qn) do u usually study math with friends? I sometimes find it distracting

[brittle socket]

Well, my friends don't really self-study math texts for fun lol

The friend I have who's the most interested in math is concurrently doing some IT course with next year's math content

[void tundra]

same

[brittle socket]

Though sometimes he does take a look at uni math. For instance, before a Chinese exam he brought a real analysis book from his house (was one of his relative's previously i think) to take a look.

[brittle socket]

[void tundra]

nice lol

wait actually maybe we should move this discussion into chill or dms

[long matrix]

this is 10x the usual qual in #discussion

[void tundra]

not main channel moment

[brittle socket]

Yeah that reminds me of why i muted discussy

[void tundra]

it's interesting why that's the case

in another server I'm in with multiple general channels

general gets like significantly more traffic than general-2

assuming humans are rational there should be an equal distribution no?

[long matrix]

no

its the first channel,

its literally a pain to click on the 2nd

if this section had discussion and discussion2 at the bottom, discussion2 would likely have more traffic

[void tundra]

LMAO

[brittle socket]

[void tundra]

grass were you from hci

[brittle socket]

Nope

[void tundra]

hmm

[brittle socket]

Neighborhood school

[void tundra]

jc?

[static loom]

I muted #discussion long ago too

[void tundra]

imma try to guess it

[brittle socket]

Perhaps (trying not to dox myself lol)

[static loom]

all the riff raff gets sucked in there

[void tundra]

fair lol

[brittle socket]

Nice

[void tundra]

i mean clearly you went to a junior college

which I believe you said in the past

so I just have to guess which one

and then we're done

LMAO #help-10 really started discussing 0/0

it's going about as well as you think\

[brittle socket]

How do you know im not in kindergarten

Just kidding, of course

[void tundra]

Well I assumed you aren't

I do not know any kindergartener that knows LaTeX

[long matrix]

we have @neat frost

[void tundra]

oh right

so

is slurp a kindergartener

[long matrix]

id be convinced if someone told me he was.

[void tundra]

nice

[neat frost]

Goo goo ga ga?

What

That was not the message I responded to

[neat frost]

Goo goo ga ga?

[long matrix]

oh god hes here

[brittle socket]

Lmao that made me chuckle a little, which is an impressive feat

[long matrix]

slurp as a kindergartener went goo goo ga ga.
already behind his cohort from the very start

[neat lintel]

can someone pls tell me what spinoff means

in like movies

is it a story that comes after a series that ended?

or before?

[long matrix]

random side story

that may or may not be canon even

[neat lintel]

so its a story for a certain character ?

[long matrix]

could be.

a story that is not a part of the main story

can be considered filler

[bright hill]

Good morning slurp!

[brittle socket]

Hi darq

[bright hill]

Sup grass

[violet wraith]

if you draw all the tangent lines of a function (i.e. the tangent line of a function at every point on its domain), does that have any interesting results? I know portions of the graph would look shaded in but does anything cool arise from this?

[rocky shuttle]

Maybe related? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envelope_(mathematics)

[violet wraith]

lemme check

I think so

[rocky shuttle]

so, it's cool enough to have a name

although, it's kinda the opposite of what you described

[violet wraith]

true

coenvelope 😎

[river moon]

convex envelope

[neat frost]

Good morning!

[bright hill]

I finished the boys!

[neat frost]

Ayyyy! I just got two of my other friends into it last night lol

How was?

[bright hill]

It was good!

[neat frost]

[bright hill]

But i felt like S3 lacked more action

[neat frost]

Yeah after rewatching some of s1, s3 seems more tame

[bright hill]

Like, the homelander fight with the boys lasted a good 5 minutes

And it ended up being anticlimactic

Like, ughh

[neat frost]

Sad!

[bright hill]

Also

The last face off felt fabricated

I get that you want to show butcher has a heart or w/e tf

But, like, do you have to get everyone fucked by stupid?

[neat frost]

Wdym

[bright hill]

Did NO ONE think of evacuating Ryan?

Homelander was distracted

[neat frost]

I don't really remember the fight tbh

[bright hill]

Ugh

Also

The soldier boy ray or w/e

It didn't evaporate meave

So

[static loom]

I guess they blew their budget on herogasm

[neat frost]

LOL

true!

[neat frost]

Yeah fucking stupid

[bright hill]

They needn't have worried about Ryan

[neat frost]

Super nerfed him

Good ending scene with homelander killing the dude

[bright hill]

It didn't even evaporate kimiko

Like ugh

[neat frost]

Yeah

Stchewpid!

[bright hill]

Also, is it just me or did frenchie's accent just double?

[neat frost]

Double?

[bright hill]

Yea

[neat frost]

Wdym

[bright hill]

Like

He didn't use to interleave his speach with french every two sentences

Unless he was super riled up

Which felt real

[neat frost]

I don't remember

I watched all of the seasons when they came out so I didn't really remember the previous season when watching the latest one

[bright hill]

It was so uncalled for and irritatingly noticeabe

[bright hill]

Makes sense

[neat frost]

Not noticeable enough for me evidently

[bright hill]

I binged the shit in a week so

I liked the meave/butcher action tho

[deep mango]

[neat frost]

Wtf?

[dapper torrent]

hey slurp

[bright hill]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[neat lintel]

[violet wraith]

🎏

[brittle socket]

This goes in #discussion smh
(Im joking of course)

[undone wren]

@neat lintel r u a grill?

[night thistle]

😭

[void tundra]

grills are isomorphic to guys tho

[night thistle]

Good

[frigid matrix]

should i watch

alr

[silver meteor]

lol

[amber orbit]

https://tenor.com/bYm3f.gif

damn embed failure

[frigid matrix]

oh yeah

the memes are good

and also metro boomin

[worn stump]

27 AND STILL BOOMING

[worn stump]

geeked

[tawdry frost]

GUYS

Pleasee tell me

how to get better at mathematics

I AM LIKE I AM GOOD IN OTHER SUBJECTS

BUT I FAIL MATHS..LIKE SERIOUSLY.I HAVE FAILED IN MY COACHING AS WELL AS IN SCHOOL.

KINDLY HELP ME HOW TO GET BETTER

[rocky shuttle]

continue being a weeb and meow occasionally

[tawdry frost]

BRO I WON T

I HAVE TO GET BETTER

I AM IN CLASS 9TH

[long matrix]

can u like. not caps

[gritty copper]

CAP

[torn willow]

CAP is valid

[neat lintel]

Can not CAPS please

[gritty copper]

CAP DISCUSSION HOURS

[torn willow]

Well I believe Availability can be compromised

The other 2 are too important

[ionic oracle]

Hi everyone!

I've got a weird question I guess, and I'm not sure which field/s it falls under. Like a typical noob it relates to the Collatz conjecture however I'm not trying to prove disprove the conjecture. I'm using my interest in the conjecture to drive my learnimg of more concepts and to test my ability to code stuff.

I'm not specifically asking for help with the process, moreso guidance towards the areas of math that may be useful for me to explore with my current train of thought.

I'm looking at how closely to looping specific parity sequences are.

To do this, I set up 2 matrices, find the dot product then divide by another number - which is always of the form 2^x - 3^y.

There are specific rules on how to set up the matrices, and the divisor.

If the dot product mod the other number is 0, then that parity sequence represents a looping hailstone sequence.

I'd like to find ways to determine the specific properties of the dot product number and the divisor.

The easy one is that neither are divisible by 2 or 3.

Eg, for the parity sequence 10 which represents the 1, 4, 2, 1 loop the setup is

[3^0, 0] ° [2^0, 2^1] / (2^2 - 3^1)

For 2 iterations of that loop [1010] the setup is

[3^1, 0, 3^0, 0] ° [2^0, 2^1, 2^2, 2^3] / (2^4- 3^2)

The simplified rules for generating the matrices and divisors is as follows:

y: any positive int

x: such that 2^(x-1) < 3^y < 2^x

Parity sequence: contains x digits with exactly y digits set to 1

A: duplicates the parity sequence, but uses 3^(the number of 1s remaining to the right of this position) for its values where the parity sequence has a 1, else its a zero

B: uses increasing powers of 2 starting at 2^0

The form is A°B / (2^x - 3^y) = n

n will always loop when following the operations defined by the parity sequence where

1: (3n+1)/2
0: n/2

The caveat is that it's almost always a non-integer value.
.

I hope this explains my train of thought.

Which areas of math could be worth exploring in order to satiate my curiosity with this train of thought?

[void tundra]

practice

if you're looking for a serious answer

[zealous garden]

Additional answer, live life

[void tundra]

just drop out of school

[vast surge]

Also if you want to get good at math don't waste your time on Collatz.

[void tundra]

you cant fail math if ur not in school

[zealous garden]

What should I waste my time on then

P ≠ NP?

[void tundra]

no p = np clearly

[vast surge]

Waste your time doing anything other than writing grad school apps

[undone wren]

@zealous garden study grass theory

[zealous garden]

Grass Theory? My advisor specialized in bamboo algebras

[undone wren]

Fibbonaci sequence was discovered by a grass theorist

Trees 'n stuff like that

[zealous garden]

Grass theorists are an underrated bunch who have done most of the heavy lifting in the natural sciences and mathematics

[brittle socket]

Wow who is studying me ... and why ....?

[placid quartz]

[void tundra]

grass theory will prove grh

[bronze pelican]

How

[zealous garden]

Analogy to germinated manifolds

[long matrix]

haha

[zealous garden]

Lmfao

[kindred dawn]

just get better

[pastel glen]

fr

[pastel glen]

drop school and become a plumber

[pastel glen]

math is easy, if you listened and did your homework it would be a breeze and will boost your average. which means somewhere along the line you didnt focus and slacked

[neat lintel]

Man is getting triple killed

[pastel glen]

oh last one, your name is weeb , so i might know where your problem is…

[zealous flame]

Actually true

I was shitty at maths last school year but since this year I've got top 3 highest on each of my tests and have went up from a predicted 4 to 5 for higher tier GCSE maths

All that changed was me listening to everything and working hard outside class

Doing the extra homework and revision no one else did

Put in the work that's really all you need to improve in maths

Don't get it? Try again. Still don't get it? Again. Still? Again.

It's a shift in your mental approach more than your aptitude to maths

Trust me if you want to do well, you will.

[cinder zephyr]

1: stop freaking out. You will be fine. This is not the end of the world

2: Math builds on itself more so than other subjects in school. Thus if you struggled in earlier subjects in math then you need to fix your foundation. You will not be able to build a house without a solid foundation.

3: Treat the HW like it's done for accuracy even if it's only done for completion. Your goal is not a 100%, your goal is understanding. This is harder and requires more effort especially up front but it gets easier the more you do it. If you get confused in class, make the time and effort to ask for clarification. Write down examples in your notes and annotate why you do certain things in the examples.

[zealous flame]

Stop being a pussy, grab your balls grit your teeth and work

[cinder zephyr]

To the other people in the chat, you all just said what I said but said it in a much less productive way 💀

[zealous flame]

If you're able to talk on discord you can go on khan academy and factorise some quadratics goddamnit now get to work mf time stands still for no man woman child or fucking dog @tawdry frost

life really is just an input output game yk

[pastel glen]

fr, ive been first in my grade in math from grade 8 till 10 with a 99% average each year, all mistakes were either a forgotten reason in test 2 or a simbol mistake

but maths is always the same thing but different number from gr 8 till 10, im grade 11 next year so i cant give my opinion yet but in my case it feels the same but just different numbers

[pastel glen]

facts

[zealous flame]

Our generation is finito if people accept their mediocrity so easily

[pastel glen]

number 2 is very important which ive seen, ive tutored a lot of people and they struggle with things that we have done in grade 9 and they are gr10, like when you have (x+ 1)/x then they would just devide the x and say the answer is 1 :/

its really simple stuff that people struggle the most with

[cinder zephyr]

No one here is being mediocre though? Why are you even bringing this up

[zealous flame]

sorry

the sigma male grinset tiktoks burst out

[pastel glen]

lmao

[hardy delta]

How often does the subject of chatgpt come up here? I feel like it fulfills what this discord is about instantly

[leaden torrent]

"what this discord is about"?

pseudo intellectual drivel that pretends to be correct while typically being filled with errors?

i suppose it does yeah

[pastel glen]

chatgpt is good but it has given me a lot of wrong answers

[hardy delta]

Right

[neat frost]

You know every answer chatGPT can give you can also be obtained with a few google searches?

[pastel glen]

yeah but i tested if it could give me random math questions

[neat frost]

There's nothing new about being able to have your questions answered by a program

Search engines have existed since a really long time ago

[neat lintel]

GUYS

[hardy delta]

With some effort and extra Google searches to clear up any terms the answer you found doesn't explain

[neat lintel]

WHAT IF EVERY MEMBER OF THIS DISCORD WAS A CHATGPT BOT
What if nothing was real

[pastel glen]

it performs amazing in code

[pastel glen]

Sorry but this message is very unrealistic, please contact for more

[hardy delta]

Yeah that's what's a bit odd, very good in code but makes mistakes in math. Wonder why

[pastel glen]

thats a joke

[pastel glen]

true

thats gonne be me next year in LO

[hardy delta]

*cheatgpt

[pastel glen]

lmao

you watched the video of him being interviewed like a google interview

aint clicking links

sketch

[hardy delta]

Maybe something like "write code to solve the the answer to "math problem", then give an explanation for how it is solved.

[pastel glen]

hahaha yeah

[hardy delta]

I used it earlier today to help create a daily plan to review algebra through calculus in the next two months, then asked it whether Google calendar has a way to add the calendar in without going through the work of copy lasting every single day. It gave me some python code to use Google calendar's API. I'm mind blown... We'll see if the topics it gave to study will work and and are intuitive, not skipping steps.

[neat lintel]

I once tricked the bot into saying indecent\offensive stuff lmao, and breaking the guidelines that he usually follows

There are tricks that still break his guidelines

[pastel glen]

thats weird cuz it made very big mistakes in basic grade 10 algebra

[hardy delta]

Oh ok I looked at your links and was confused about the correlation, this is cool

[pastel glen]

but eh, everything has its flaws

[neat lintel]

that is completely wrong lol

can't even solve grade 11 trig.

[pastel glen]

lmao

but

you can correct it, and it instantly recognises its mistake and fixes it

which is pretty cool

it even says sorry and thank you

maybe

maybe its so smart that basic algebra is to hard

thats also a joke

it once said that 4x -4x = -2x. which is a very weird mistake

yeah

[neat lintel]

hi

[pine laurel]

anyone know how to edit the linux kernel from a root shell? link me something i need help

[zealous garden]

Maybe most of the training data for elementary mathematics contained mistakes

Like assignments being corrected

Or maybe just, too much of it contained mistakes

[zealous flame]

Comes with the nature

It's math

[storm sage]

I love how it knows latex though

[woven whale]

lol it uses \text{sin} instead of \sin

[storm sage]

10/10

[bright hill]

@neat frost merry christmas!

[neat frost]

Merry Christmas DarKie WarKie!

[bright hill]

[rocky shuttle]

Merry xmas DarQ!

[bright hill]

thank you!

merry christmas zane!

[neat frost]

That's inzane! (Lololol)

[bright hill]

do jewish people celebrate christmas?

[neat frost]

You have two guesses

[bright hill]

there are only two options tho

[neat frost]

Yes that's the joke

Anyway

[neat lintel]

$\left\langle a|0 \right\rangle+\left\langle b|1 \right\rangle$

[fathom swallow]

北京

[bright hill]

they do?

[neat frost]

No

Like this is ofc a generalization

[bright hill]

they do then?

[neat frost]

There are some Jews who do, but generally religious Jews do not

Very rare to find a religious Jew who does

[neat lintel]

Atheists celebrate christmas

capitalism moment

[bright hill]

I've heard that twice today now

wtf does that mean?

[neat frost]

I celebrate Christmas

Cuz I am a firm (literally) believer in capitalism

Succ balls communist pigs

Why would I waste my time on pseudoscience

[neat lintel]

all I have right now is like 50$. Feels good

[neat frost]

Economics can be summed up in two words: "trickle down (economics)"

Yohan your whole personality is based around... uh... actually I'm not sure you have one!

[bright hill]

I haven't read too much on the subject but communism literally sounds way better than w/e tf the economic situation in america is lmfao

[neat lintel]

You know guys what I gifted myself for Christmas

the most expensive markers in the world tbh.

[bright hill]

hate to say it but prolly not even close

[neat lintel]

Bro there ain't more expensive. They literally $6.56 each
I need them 'caus I'm a Design student

[neat frost]

idk historically communism doesn't seem to have worked especially well, but I am also not an expert and I quite frankly don't feel like establishing an opinion on this

[bright hill]

I did say sounds better

[neat frost]

Your brain is dumb

[bright hill]

first design student I've met on the server lel

nice to meet you!

[neat frost]

Not nice to meet you.

[bright hill]

stfu slurp

[neat frost]

Everyone here who isn't DarQ is a loser

Also happens to be that DarQ is a loser as well

[neat lintel]

Well I'm only legally a design student. I'm already enrolled even if lessons start in 6 months

I'm just sketching in my free time and preparing for next year stuff

[neat frost]

Yohan all my self own are intentional

[bright hill]

jokes on you, yohan

[neat frost]

Joke's not on Yohan, joke is yohan

Haha lol yohan not make a pop culture reference in 5 min (impossible)

[neat lintel]

I am sure in this server there will be a few of students like Architecture or Design, because a little math is taken there.

[neat frost]

Yohan

Why THE FUCK would you talk about kicking a puppy???

[cold needle]

[neat frost]

I have half a mind to report you right now you abusive fuck

[cold needle]

what is going on here

[neat lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/abstract-shapes-weird-gif-16044382

[cold needle]

lets keep it civil pls

[neat frost]

hello mod

Yohan you overestimate just how devastating your "owns" are

(Not very)

I doubt it

You're just incapable of coming up with original insults

Yeah but idc

I bet you stole that insult from blo

Sure

Was it wew then?

He did?

What?

[bright hill]

[neat frost]

What?

Wow?

Wtf?

Maybe I'll leave too then

What

Yohan

Again

You're overestimating yourself

I've heard better insults from like shyshu

Anyway I'm gonna go do something worth my time

[vast surge]

@brazen patrol did you do this?