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scenic falcon
alpine sable
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Why do you have 1K+ pings

scenic falcon
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its from old groups i joined

alpine sable
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Not muting the servers?

scenic falcon
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yeah

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but pls can you help i jus have one maths quesxtion

wary stream
scenic falcon
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hooow

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brah my exam in 5 mins im at school

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i just want someone to double check 😭

wary stream
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Then open your own channel

scenic falcon
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i cannot

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i cannot even send message

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can you make one for me

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or send me link

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can you pls send me link to unoccupied channel

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omg i got it now

lone heartBOT
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@alpine sable Has your question been resolved?

tacit arch
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@alpine sable you got raided. Please open a new channel with your question and progress

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alpine sable
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.reopen

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chrome flower
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'

alpine sable
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im not going to lie

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its very hard lol

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i cant really do it

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only the first part

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Marvelous

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ill be using this channel still wont be closing yet

tardy tapir
tacit arch
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It's gonna be hard to find your question

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When you open a new channel, your first message gets pinned

alpine sable
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What is This question asking?

^ My Question Below ^

2 nd second (i.e., from time t= 1 s to t = 2 s)? What does this mean?

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does it just mean 1-2s

near apex
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Yes

alpine sable
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weird way of asking it

near apex
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During the second second, i.e. in the interval of 1-2 second.

near apex
alpine sable
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doesnt the first two mean the same thing

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first two seconds

near apex
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No.

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See. Object travelled some distance in first second. Let's call it d.
Then, it travelled some more in the second after that. Let's call it e.

They have given d+e.

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They have asked you for e.

alpine sable
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so my time would be 1

alpine sable
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hmm

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im gonna go ask someone i know in real life

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if i have no luck ill ask again

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.close

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low holly
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Please don't occupy multiple help channels.

low holly
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Can someone help with this on asap please

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I’m on a deadline just need this last problem

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low holly
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Ok

tacit arch
low holly
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It’s just 1 problem 😭

tardy tapir
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use difference of squares in the numerator

low holly
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How do I do that

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Dyssrupt

low holly
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But there’s a coefficient?

tardy tapir
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i meant the question

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not what you did

low holly
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Oh ok

low holly
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Do I plug in A for x now?

tardy tapir
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its wrong

low holly
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Bruh

ocean sealBOT
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Dyssrupt

low holly
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There’s no 2x^2

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It’s -4x^2

tardy tapir
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whats (2x)^2

low holly
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O

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I’m dumb

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Wait

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But it’s not negative

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Yours

tardy tapir
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bruh

tardy tapir
low holly
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Yah

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Ok

low holly
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So you got rid of the square?

tardy tapir
low holly
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Oh 4x^2

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Can I plug in A now

tardy tapir
tardy tapir
low holly
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What?

tardy tapir
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im literally spoon feeding you now

low holly
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I put

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(X+a) (x-a) -2x^2

tardy tapir
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no

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(x+a)^2 is x^2 + 2ax + a^2

low holly
tardy tapir
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not (x-a)(x+a)

tardy tapir
low holly
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Better?

tardy tapir
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not ^2

low holly
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Oh yeah your right

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Fixed

tardy tapir
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now simplify the paranthesis

low holly
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I can plug in a now rigjt just making sure lol

tardy tapir
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no

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first you need to remove the denominator

low holly
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Multiple by the inverse of x-a?

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*multiply

tardy tapir
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one of the paranthesis of numerator will cancel the denominator

low holly
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X-a/1?

tardy tapir
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try simplifying the terms inside the paranthesis of numerator

low holly
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I can cancel out x -a right cause -x+a is the same thing?

tardy tapir
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first factor out a -1

low holly
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Can I cancel the 1?

thorn monolith
# low holly

Is everything on numerator factorized? Regardless of its or not, text at bottom is wrong

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I cant tell if its $\frac{(3x+a).(x-a)}{x-a}$
OR $\frac{(3x+a) + (x-a)}{x-a} $

ocean sealBOT
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Cyrenux

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@low holly Has your question been resolved?

low holly
low holly
thorn monolith
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After that you turned multiplication somehow

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On the numerator

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Numerator should have been (3x+a).1

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Remember $\frac{a}{a} = 1$ , for $a \neq 0$

ocean sealBOT
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Cyrenux

low holly
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I didn’t make it 0?

low holly
thorn monolith
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And you can split $\frac{ba}{a} = b \frac{
a}{a}$

low holly
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I factored out the -1

ocean sealBOT
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Cyrenux

low holly
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3x+a-1 is that correct

thorn monolith
low holly
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Oh ok

thorn monolith
thorn monolith
low holly
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It’s so shoukd it be 3 (x+a)/1

thorn monolith
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You are confusing that with
$$\frac{b+a}{c} = \frac{b}{c} + \frac{a}{c}$$
\ ( also suppose $c \neq 0$ so numerator is defined)

thorn monolith
low holly
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What do I do after

ocean sealBOT
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Cyrenux

thorn monolith
# low holly

Go back to your original question, what is it asking you to find?

low holly
low holly
thorn monolith
thorn monolith
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If you do, you should see the difference now

low holly
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I’m gonna give up

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This is impossible

thorn monolith
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At the end

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After all that work

low holly
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What else

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Am I supposed to do

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I’m stuck

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This is the last probelm I need

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It’s due in like half an hour

thorn monolith
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So you understand why

low holly
low holly
thorn monolith
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Beginning of question where it wants you to take the limit

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Close, our original equation gives 0/0 when you plug in a in place of x

low holly
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Oh yeah

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So it’s indeterminant or whatever

thorn monolith
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To fix that we factored 0s out of numerator and denominator, (x-a) was the 0 in our case

thorn monolith
low holly
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Oh ok

thorn monolith
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Now by cancelling (x-a) you got rid of the 0s

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You can plug a in place of x

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Do you see how i knew (x-a) is a zero though?

low holly
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Yeah because I’m the beginning if we plugged it in a -a=0

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Right?

thorn monolith
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Also you should type $$lim _{x \longrightarrow a}$$ every time you put a new equal symbol

low holly
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Oh ok

thorn monolith
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Oops wait

ocean sealBOT
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Cyrenux

thorn monolith
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There we go @low holly

low holly
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So is that the final answer?

thorn monolith
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Let me see if i can show it better $\lim_{x \longrightarrow a}$

ocean sealBOT
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Cyrenux

thorn monolith
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Ok this is a bit better

low holly
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Ok

thorn monolith
low holly
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Remmeber there was a minus 1 before

thorn monolith
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Also you said numerator was multiplied when i asked the first time, why is there addition now

low holly
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I went from that to the previous picture

low holly
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Oh I got confused

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I forgot to put parentheses

thorn monolith
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You also forgot to put multiplication symbol so it looks whack

low holly
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Yeah my bad

thorn monolith
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And eventually you made a mistake

low holly
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Is that good now

thorn monolith
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If you are going to send this to someone though rewrite the whole progress,putting the limit symbol on EVERY equation

low holly
thorn monolith
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Otherwise you cant cancel 0s

low holly
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Ok

thorn monolith
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Yeah its true now, but dont type limit anymore when you already typed a in place of x

low holly
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Oh ok

thorn monolith
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There are already no terms in x

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So its unnecessary

low holly
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So when I plug stuff in no need for lim

thorn monolith
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Yeah, as there will be no more of that variable after

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In our case x is absent after we plug a

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Putting limit is unnecessary

low holly
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Thank you

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A lot

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Sorry if I was dumb

thorn monolith
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safe tartan
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How would you implicit xy? Wrt x

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safe tartan
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I’m really only familiar with like y^2 or something where y is independent where it becomes dy/dx y’

wheat isle
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product rule

safe tartan
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xy’+y

wheat isle
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And what is y’

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You still haven’t differentiated it yet

safe tartan
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Not sure why you mean

wheat isle
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What is the derivative of y with respect to x

safe tartan
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dy/dx

wheat isle
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So what’s the final answer

safe tartan
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dy/dx= -y/x?

wheat isle
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Well I can’t say because you haven’t told me what you’re trying to solve

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You just asked implicit derivative for xy

safe tartan
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xy-2=0

wheat isle
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it should equal something

safe tartan
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Find dy/dx

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But using implicit

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Could you write this in terms of the cancelation of dy and dx things

wheat isle
safe tartan
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Like d/dx f(y) = d/dy (f(y)) x dy/dx

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How would this case work

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Because it isn’t really fully f(y)

wheat isle
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Do you have a specific example I can see?

safe tartan
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I think that’s what implicit differentiation is defined as

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For example

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d/dx (y^2) = dy/dx times d(y^2)/dy

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Since the fractions cancel (not really but it works)

wheat isle
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All implicit is, is differentiating y like you would x but slapping on a dy/dx onto it

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And then solving for dy/dx

safe tartan
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So would we treat xy as product of two functions of x

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So xy’+yx’

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And then multiply by dy/dx ?

wheat isle
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Well y is it’s own thing because y can be anything

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You only multiply a y term by dy/dx if you are differentiating it with respect to x

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Otherwise you leave it alone

safe tartan
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So for xy-2=0 and I’m tryna find dy/dx

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So d/dx (xy) = 0 and then I don’t understand really how product rule can be used here

wheat isle
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xy = 2

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x*y = 2

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by differentiating both sides with respect to x you get

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[x*y]’ = 0

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There’s no other way you can differentiate this without the product rule since it’s a product of functions

safe tartan
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And then what does lhs becomes

wheat isle
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dy/dx = uv’ + u’v

x*dy/dx + y = 0

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do you see how to get the derivative from here?

safe tartan
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Yes rearrange

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So you can just use product rule regardless of if there are multiple different letters

wheat isle
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Tell me what rule you would use to differentiate this

(x^2 + 5x - 7)(sqrt(6)-7x)

safe tartan
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Well yeah product rule but I’m confused as there are multiple variables

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But i guess since we assume y is a function of x then it works

safe tartan
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Yes

wheat isle
safe tartan
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I see

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novel raft
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i need help finding the equation of a circle on a coordinate plane that passes through 2 given coordinates on the plane. the two coordinates are basically all im working off

novel raft
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for my maths task im doing a psmt and the task is to model the outline of a lake on a coordinate plane and i need to show how i got each shape, those being parabolas, rectangular hyperbolas, circles and straight lines.

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i need to show algebreically how i calculated each formula of these shapes

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its all on desmos

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i have already calculated the perfect shape using trial and error, but i havent been able to show mathematically how i came up with the formula. i showed how i came up with restrictions using substitution

nimble fern
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is there a picture for more info for this problem

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you did explained a lot, whcih is nice
but without the original question, it's hard to see what's happening

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novel raft
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i have found a solution using 3 simultaneous equations

ripe zodiac
novel raft
ripe zodiac
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HAHAHAHA

ripe zodiac
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i joined this server as well yesterday bc i needed help w my psmt

novel raft
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are you here bc u need help too

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LMFAO

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small world

ripe zodiac
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yea

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i clicked the name bc it was so random and then i saw the lake and i thought it looked familar

novel raft
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💀

vapid shuttle
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omg bence and ashton?

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whats up

novel raft
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hi austin hows your lake coming

vapid shuttle
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it is coming along

novel raft
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nice

vapid shuttle
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honestly I'm stuck on the same part as you

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this is funny

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I will just watch your channel then along with bence

ripe zodiac
ripe zodiac
vapid shuttle
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yeah I'm also not doing great on the psmt lol

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cya

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solid fog
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echo socket
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Could you show your work?

solid fog
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need help with this again.

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yeah sure hold on

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lemme take a picture

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hm for crossing out the h im sure i did it wrong.. do i recipricate it?

echo socket
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Yeah that's not how terms should be cancelled

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Also you probably meant to multiply by 1/h rather than divide by 1/h

solid fog
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its been a while since ive done math.. lol

echo socket
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So the last line should be $\frac{-\cancel h}{3h + 27}\cdot\frac1{\cancel h}$

ocean sealBOT
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A Lonely Bean

echo socket
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Leaving you with $-\frac1{3(h + 9)}$

ocean sealBOT
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A Lonely Bean

solid fog
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ah yes

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yes

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thank you so much

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high sapphire
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How to find Dearrangement of 6 objects when 2 are identical?

The question originally was

Find the possible distinguishable arrangements of BHARAT, such that no letter pertains to it's original position(Consider the two A identical)

wanton pebble
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divide by 2

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tacit pine
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I am trying to understand how to solve this question. (Studying for math exam), and the sum is supposed to be 48, but idk how to go about it..

rocky grove
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Hmm

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You evaluate from the inside then you go outside

tacit pine
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I first solve the (2m-1) then when I have that number I solve for k?

rocky grove
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Essentially yeah

tacit pine
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(21-1) + (22-1) * (3 + 4 + 5)?

rocky grove
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Yeah

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4 * 12

tacit pine
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I see

rocky grove
tepid drum
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you can do this by just substituting m=1 and add to that at m=2 and after that o the same process with k fr the second sum and you are done

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or you can split the sum inside and use some facts then evaluate

tacit pine
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Thnx

rocky grove
tepid drum
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so for the first way you get $\sum_{k=3}^{5}{(2(1)-1)k+(2(2)-1)k}=\sum_{k=3}^{5}{k+3k}=\sum_{k=3}^{5}{4k}=4(3)+4(4)+4(5)=48$

ocean sealBOT
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calculus is fun

tacit pine
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jeez

tepid drum
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using second method you get $\sum_{k=3}^{5}{\sum_{m=1}^{2}{2m}}-\sum_{k=3}^{5}{\sum_{m=1}^{2}{1}}$

tacit pine
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.close

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calculus is fun

tepid drum
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now use facts like $\sum_{n=1}^{k}{c}=ck$

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calculus is fun

ruby sinew
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How do you add non perfect squareroots that cant be simplified but of the same variables? Such as (sqrt23 + sqrt23)

tiny panther
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How to solve Y over 4 + Y over 2 which equals to 9

ruby sinew
tiny panther
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okay

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?

ruby sinew
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Wait give me a sec

tiny panther
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okay

ruby sinew
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Times both sides by 4 I think

zealous lichen
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$\sqrt{x}+\sqrt{x}=2\sqrt{x}$

ocean sealBOT
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WhereWolf

ruby sinew
zealous lichen
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no problem

ruby sinew
tiny panther
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Ok

ruby sinew
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Times both sides by 5

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Then you will end up with y + 4y = 36

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Since y + 4y are like Variables you can add them into 5y

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5y = 36

tiny panther
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Ohhh

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Alr

ruby sinew
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Divide both sides by 5 then there you have it

tiny panther
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Okay

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Thank you

ruby sinew
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y + 4y are no differemt it just have a 4 on it

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unborn dock
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i need a partner to do the feynmen's technique

unborn dock
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anyone willing to hear me explain a projectile

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safe tartan
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Show that the normal to the circle $x^2+y^2=a^2$ at any point $(x1, y1)$ on it passes through the origin

ocean sealBOT
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annyeong

safe tartan
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so i have found dy/dx = -x/y

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and using point gradient formula,

wind cloak
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it might be better to use parametric coordinates here actually

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but sure

safe tartan
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um

wind cloak
safe tartan
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x/y

wind cloak
safe tartan
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so my problem is

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umm is that wrong

wind cloak
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yes

safe tartan
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fuck

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whats the normal again

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wait y/x ?

wind cloak
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It's perpendicular to the tangent

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yes

safe tartan
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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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ok ill just redo the other questions

wind cloak
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lol

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F

safe tartan
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but for this one, does showing that when you sub x=0 and y=0 into equation, the equation remains true

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is that enough to prove that

wind cloak
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So you have th slope and a point, can you find the equation of a line

safe tartan
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yep

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so y-y1=y1(x-x1)/x1

wind cloak
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The slope is y1/x1

safe tartan
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oh yeah since u sub it in

wind cloak
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yep

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So now just show 0,0 satisfies

safe tartan
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ah

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so simply showing that this equation passes through 0,0 is enough

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hmm yeah that makes sense

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tyty

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.close

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Guys help needed with finding the argument of (tan1-i)^2

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Since it will lie in 4th quadrant

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And for the 4th quadrant the Principle value of argument = 2pi - theta -2pi

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The theta came out to be -2

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(- 2 radians )to be precise

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I need help with 12-15 and 17

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!show

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terse turtle
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the first two I got from google

zealous lichen
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a useful thing to do is to set answer to x

terse turtle
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ok

somber owl
terse turtle
zealous lichen
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$\log_3{-10}=x$

somber owl
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Complex number

ocean sealBOT
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WhereWolf

zealous lichen
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simplify the expression

terse turtle
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3^x=-10

zealous lichen
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find the x value if you can

terse turtle
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how

somber owl
zealous lichen
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you don't know how to deal with exponent?

terse turtle
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I don’t know how to find it

shy dove
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Guys, they might not have gotten to complex numbers, and the teacher just wants them to say that it is not a real number / no answer

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Oh

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Ok

terse turtle
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i would get a zero

somber owl
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Wtf

shy dove
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Then, have you seen complex numbers?

terse turtle
shy dove
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2 + 3i

somber eagle
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If you don’t know about complex numbers, then the teacher wouldnt expect you to solve that question

terse turtle
shy dove
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i = sqrt(-1), rings a bell?

terse turtle
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nope

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oh wait yes

shy dove
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then you can't be expected to solve that problem

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oh?

terse turtle
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I know that I=-1

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teacher hasn’t gone over it in this semester tho

zealous lichen
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judging from other

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questions

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I'd say the teacher expect the answer to be no solution

terse turtle
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to all 6 of these?

zealous lichen
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no

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just 12 and 13

somber eagle
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14 and 15 can be done normally

terse turtle
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you can have negative exponents tho

zealous lichen
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yes

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but not negative logarithm

terse turtle
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My teacher has said otherwise…

somber eagle
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Yeah but no real number exponent can turn 3 into -10

zealous lichen
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maybe your teacher meant negative base for log?

terse turtle
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i guess

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Idk

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she could have just made a mistake

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Ok i put no solution for 12 and 13

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What about the other 2

somber eagle
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14: e^x = e^3

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Solve for x

terse turtle
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x=3?

somber eagle
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Yeah

terse turtle
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so I write 3 as the answer?

somber eagle
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Since ln just means log based e

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Yeah

terse turtle
zealous lichen
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btw you should memorize $log(a^b)=blog(a)$

terse turtle
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ok

somber eagle
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Natural log is log based e

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WhereWolf

terse turtle
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THATS rights

terse turtle
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ok so then 15

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log 150

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So the base is 10?

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10^x=150?

zealous lichen
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how though lol

terse turtle
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nvm then

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mb

zealous lichen
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no

terse turtle
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I mixed up logx and this

high sapphire
zealous lichen
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I mean there's no exact solution

terse turtle
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I know

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Fractions exist

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Sorry for interfering..
My ques was timed out

zealous lichen
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6!/2

terse turtle
zealous lichen
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It's factorial

terse turtle
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huh

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I was answering to Dragon King

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but they got they're own channel now

terse turtle
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oh

somber eagle
terse turtle
somber eagle
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Maybe they want decimal form?

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Idk

terse turtle
zealous lichen
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wait calculator is allowed???

somber eagle
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Because the only exact form of the answer is log(150) but that is useless

terse turtle
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no one has taught me how to do this on a calculator tho

zealous lichen
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what's the point of the exercise then practice using the calculator??

terse turtle
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i mean you still have to do work when you use a calculator-

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You there? @zealous lichen

zealous lichen
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yo

zealous lichen
somber eagle
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Btw I know this isn’t the current problem, but I don’t think your answer to 16 is correct

terse turtle
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ok then what is it

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i used a compound interest calculator

somber eagle
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Well if you do 5000 * 1.06^14.2 it gives you well over 10000

terse turtle
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oh?

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The rungs on a ladder are 25 cm apart. The length of the rungs decreases uniformly from 45 cm at the bottom to 25 cm at the top. What is the length of wood needed for the rungs if the top and bottom rungs are 2.5 m apart?

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I think this can be reduced to a arithmetic sequence

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you can start by finding out how many rungs are there

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zealous lichen
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the whole ladder is 250 cm long

alpine sable
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why is total number of rungs (n) equal to total distance between top and bottom rungs/distance between two successive rungs? and why is one added to that?

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let these be trees or something

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| | |

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here is 3 trees

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and there are 2 spaces between them

alpine sable
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yes

zealous lichen
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so the amount of trees = space+1

alpine sable
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ohh

zealous lichen
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or you can think like this

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when you have 1 tree there's no spaces

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when you add a tree there will be an extra space

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alpine sable
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got it

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but why is it total distance/succesive distance of rungs tho

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my basics are rusty 😭

zealous lichen
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the vertical length of a space is 25 cm

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and they add up to 250 cm

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so there will be 10 spaces

alpine sable
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OH

rough smelt
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damn

alpine sable
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tysm omg got it

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rough smelt
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I need help with maths

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.close

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but learning it

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How is is z 0.8?

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bc there's 0.2 to the right of it ig

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and 0.5 to the left (it's symmetric) so 0.5 + 0.3 = 0.8

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This is a PYQ . Not able to solve this!!!

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sorry

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  1. I don't know where to begin
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if |z|=1 then the conjugat of z is 1/z

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next

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My answer is not in the option

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Use 1=(z_1+z_2+z_3)((z_1) bar+(z_2) bar+ (z_3) bar)

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Next time close it after I answer it

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,rotate

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barren portal
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,rotate

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barren portal
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Here, I have left inverse and left identity

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trying to show uniquess of left identity

barren portal
# ocean seal

but I reached a point where i can only cancel if right inverse is there

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I understand having left inverse and left identity imply that it has right inverse and right identity

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I was wondering if it’s possible to show uniquess of left identity just using left cancellation property

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,rotate

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barren portal
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Trying to see, if i can only use this to prove uniquess of left identity

oak perch
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Left inverse and left identity can give you the whole group axioms

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Then the left identity becomes identity therefore unique

barren portal
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Suppose in some other algebraic structure, we only have left inverse and left identity

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how do we prove the uniqueness of left identity?

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ie if e*a=e’*a, then e=e’

barren portal
oak perch
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I am forming a proof

barren portal
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essentially asking, can we just multiply in left side to show

barren portal
oak perch
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Wait a min

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Only when left identity is unique we can define Left inverse.
So you need to use only the existence of left identities to prove the uniqueness of left identity?

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Which is not true or did you mean

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Existence of left inverse of any left identity

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Any left identity , there exists left inverse in terms of it?

barren portal
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What do we need to show uniquess of left inverse?

oak perch
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I mean your condition, existence of left inverse

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Did you mean

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Existence of left inverse for any left identity

barren portal
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yes, when I take the inverse of any element left identity will come

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suppose e is left identity, b is left inverse, then b*a= e

oak perch
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for left identity e, any a there exists b such that ba=e
For another left identity e’, any a there exists c such that ca=e’

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Left inverse exists for each left identity, is this what you meant?

barren portal
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Yes, if it’s not unique, then left inverses will be different

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but we have to show they are same, ig

oak perch
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No I am saying the condition, the beginning of your question

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“We have such a set G, such that left inverse and left identity exist”

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When you say this

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“Left inverse exist”. Did you mean left inverse exist for each left identity?

barren portal
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yes

oak perch
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Okay

barren portal
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if e1 is an identity, b1 is inverse for a simarly, if e2 is inverse b2 is inverse of a

oak perch
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Okay

barren portal
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if identities are separate, then sperate inverse exists but operating will work accordingly

oak perch
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And do you require left inverse be unique: a left identity e, any x, there exists a unique y such that yx=e?

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Or exists a y

barren portal
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Let me share a set of alternate axioms for group I’m working with

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my goal is essentially to use them

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please wait

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please check if those are correct to start with.

oak perch
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Sure

barren portal
oak perch
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You see iii has to come after iv

barren portal
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mb

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It is

oak perch
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So we know that the e in iii is one chosen e

barren portal
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It’s just a left inverse

oak perch
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Still I don’t think it’s rigorous at all

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What is e in iii

barren portal
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the reason why i wrote it is

oak perch
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So your question is not clear, you know what I mean? Your iii is not well-defined

barren portal
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I came accross that, if something is closed and associative, has left inverse and left inverse it implies that it’s left inverse and right identity is same

oak perch
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Just look at your iii

barren portal
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I mean, every element has a left inverse

oak perch
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what is that e? A chosen left identity? Or for any e we have a corresponding iii?

barren portal
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e is a left identity

oak perch
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A chose left identity?

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So iii is a statement depending on e

barren portal
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e is the left identity and every element has an inverse b such that b*a= e (left identity)

oak perch
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You can view it as a statement iii(e): any a, there exists b such that ba=e

oak perch
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So is one iii(e) true or iii(e) is true for any e satisfying iv

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So the former

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You have iii(e) for one e satisfying iv

barren portal
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Do you mean is the identity is unique for different inverses?

oak perch
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No I say it again:

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iii this axiom has an e in it, it depends on e

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So instead of iii, I better use iii(e) to denote it

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Axiom iii(e) : any a in G, there exists b in G such that ba=e

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Now

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The question is

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Do you give me iii(e) for any e satisfying iv?

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Or you give me one iii(e), for one e satisfying iv?

barren portal
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just to make sure by iv) you mean there exist e in G (e*a=a)?

oak perch
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iv: there exist element e such that any a in G, ea=a

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So iv: {e: any a in G, ea=a} is not empty

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This is a well-defined statement

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iii is not

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iii(e) is

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So question is your iii is iii(e) for some e? Or it’s Λiii(e) for all e defined in iv?

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You see the incompleteness of logic going on here?

barren portal
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I don’t want to confuse, does this question arises here also?

oak perch
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Yes

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This author is not rigorous, I have to say that

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Axiom 3 stands for one axiom 3(e) being true for one e satisfying axiom 4? Or axiom 3 stands for axioms 3(e) being true for any e satisfying axiom 4? The author didn’t make it clear at all

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I suggest you to go to your prof using this textbook , for clearance, which case it stands for

barren portal
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Can i link the pdf

oak perch
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As I said

barren portal
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It’s proving certain things

oak perch
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The pdf itself didn’t make it rigorous

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Have to ask the author or people using this textbook, which case they think it is

barren portal
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They are trying to say any finite semi group with left and right cancellation is a group

oak perch
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I know , you already told me

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Which is not making sense

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Whatever, how about we prove this when it’s the former case ? 3 stands for one 3(e) being true. If not work we prove when it’s the latter case, 3 stands for 3(e) being true for any e

barren portal
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sure

barren portal
oak perch
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You didn’t understand me

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Anyway I am proving the former case

barren portal
oak perch
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Done: I have proven it’s a group when 3 stands for 3(e) for one left identity e:

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Now any a in G, there exists b such that ba=e. Now there exists c such that cb=e.
Therefore (ab)=e(ab)=(cb)(ab)=c(ba)b=ceb=cb=e.
Meaning when ba=e, we also have ab=e

Then ae=a(ba)=(ab)a=a
Now for any other left identity e’, plug in a=e’, e’e=e’
Since e’ is a left identity we also have e’e=e, therefore e=e’
And by the discussion above left inverse is also a right inverse
QED

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Since it’s a group when 3 stands for 3(e) for one e, of course it’s a group for stronger condition 3 stands for 3(e) for any e. I guess that’s the reason the author didn’t make it clear. Turns out it works for either case. Never the less he should have

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made it rigorous

barren portal
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Thank you

oak perch
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Np

barren portal
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I’m reading multiple times to get it correctly

oak perch
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Okay

barren portal
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Appreciate your effort, have a great day, sorry for taking this long

oak perch
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No it takes long because of the author, not you

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But no problem

barren portal
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Have a great day 🙂

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You too

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why does this work?

zealous lichen
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if x and y are solution of ax+by=c

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try to simplify a(x+b)+b(y-a)

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notice that they also found theta and phi. They substituted |z| and theta back into the first equation for z (in polar coordiantes) at the top

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guinearW

runic hull
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$$z=\sqrt{18}e^{(i\frac{-\pi}{4})}$$

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runic hull
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Do you know how to convert from polar form back to the form a+bi?

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that's basically all you need to do from that point

It's just

$$e^{ix}=cos(x)+isin(x)$$

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LayneTheAndroid

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it's okay. it'll become second nature with enough practice

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yes! there's no reason it wouldn't work for w as well. the formula is still valid

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Hi , i need some help

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is that sin 200

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and cos 290

balmy path
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Yeah...

sharp thorn
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can we write sin 200 as sin pi plus 20?

balmy path
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Umm... yeah
Next step?

sharp thorn
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so its just sin 20 right?

balmy path
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Right

sharp thorn
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now can we write cos 290 as cos 3pi/2 plus 20 right/

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?

balmy path
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Yeah we can

sharp thorn
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which is sin 20 again/>

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?

balmy path
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Correct

sharp thorn
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so your numerator is $2(-\sin(20)) + \sin(20)$ ?

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Bettim

sharp thorn
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which is just -sin20

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right?

balmy path
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Yeah

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do the same for the denominator

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Gimme a sec please...

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I reached to $\sin(-20) + \2cos(-20)$

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Uhhh ...

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Let me write... T_T

balmy path
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Sorry for pinging

sharp thorn
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sin 160 is positive

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so it is

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-sin 20 / 3 sin 20

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right?

balmy path
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Oh i forgot, right

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So the answer is -1/3 ?

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yep seems right

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i need help in this matrix related question
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this is my approach for alpha and beta

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3 question i have no idea how it should be solved

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is this right

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yes that's correct

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Hello there. Uncertainty Question. Finding percentage uncertainty.

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$(2\pm0.7)(7\pm0.2)$

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HqppyFeet

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So this is what I did:

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using $\frac{\Delta x}{x}=\frac{\Delta a}{a}+\frac{\Delta b}{b}$

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HqppyFeet

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$\frac{\Delta x}{x}=\frac{0.7}{2}+\frac{0.2}{7}=\frac{5.3}{14} \times 100% \approx 37.8%$

vale wigeon
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,calc 0.7/2 + 0.2/7

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Result:

0.37857142857143
vale wigeon
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yeah ok checks out

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37.8% yes

rapid vector
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welp thats very handy haha

vale wigeon
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you forgot to backslash the second percentage sign

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that's why tex is throwing an error

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pls i have 1 minute till its due

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last question

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HqppyFeet

vale wigeon
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@rapid vector yeah so whats troubling you afterward

rapid vector
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seems like i cant trust that website no more haha

vale wigeon
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i mean ok if we do it like... naïvely

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vale wigeon
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eh?

rapid vector
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i know xd

vale wigeon
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that's the first time i'm hearing of that type of error propagation

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idt thats what you are expected to do here lol

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i dont think we are expected to use *that *formula

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and idk if it's correct too xd

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Anyhow, i got my confirmatoin, thank you <3<3

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Hello!

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So uh, I'm stuck in this math problem.

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I'm new to this sort of math.

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My friend said it was Binomial Expansion.

zealous lichen
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yes

young forge
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(He's the one quizzing me)

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I don't want the answer, I just want to know how to solve it!

zealous lichen
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write down the kth term of a n degree binomial

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Alright, hold on.

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is this a thing

tardy stag
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not quite

jagged timber
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so lnx has to be isolated

west girder
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Try putting the -2 inside the natural log

tardy stag
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use laws of exponents and logs to get it into the form $e^\ln\rsq$

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like this?

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yeah

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Need help with some beginner Linear Algebra.

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if A is a 4x3, isn't it in R^3, not R^4?

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how can Ax = b be consistent and have a unique solution with this setup? am I being dumb and 4x3 is 4 column x 3 row?

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besides that, i know that if the question makes sense, then A must contain a pivot in every row when in RREF

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A is in $\mathbb{R}^{4\times3}$ i think

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WhereWolf

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wat

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Meaning three columns of A are linear independent and b is in the space generated by those three columns

hot bluff
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haven't covered linear independence yet, this is a section prior to that.

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Nvm then

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hmmm i think there's a difference between matrix equations and vector equations that im not noticing

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am i slow

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for part 1:

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how does it want me to calculate significant figures

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Can someone explain to me step by step, how did he reach that (repFromZero 3 (\x -> x+1)) is 3?

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!status

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what a weird question

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ah nvm i cant read

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try to use all the info you are given

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you are given L(1) and L'(1)

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so get L' and input 1

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it says so in the task

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L(x)=1 and dL/dx(x)=3 at x=1

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chain rule

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just use the chain rule, let me know when you have a solution for dL/dx

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reminder:
f(x)=g(h(x))
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f'(x)=g'(h(x))*h'(x)

winter light
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Yes, this equation is correct

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Now, you also are given L(1) = 1

heady pollen
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then you can solve both for a or b and set them equal to each other, that will give you the other variable

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Why 1/(a+bx)=1? They tell you that x=1, so you should write 1/(a+b) = 1

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And then you make a system of 2 equations in 2 unknowns

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Yes, but you already use that information

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Now, you have to use the fact that L = 1 WHEN x = 1

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Which are these ones?

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Do you mean 1/(a+b) = 1 and -b/(a+b)^2=3 ?

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Yep, you have 2 equations in 2 unknowns a & b...

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$$\frac{1}{a+b} = 1 \implies a+b = 1$$

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Alberto Z.

winter light
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Do you agree?

winter light
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b is -3, yep

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So then a = 4

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You're welcome

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@alpine sable don't forget to close the channel using
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Yes of course