#geometry-and-trigonometry
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tan(pi/2) is indeed undefined
what route did you try to go?
@rugged shuttle
pings me
doesnt respond
Oh sht mb
I just tried to use tangent subtraction formula
But quickly found out that it doesn’t work .-.
Also sorry
the instruction does say to use the angle sum/diff formulas, but it does not specifically say to use the ones for tan.
Omg ur the best
Does anyone know where I can find some trig proof questions and questions on general soloution
I was practice with the regular way and the inverted way. Finally got it.
I don't think the recipricals ones aren't too important
Yo guys
Like I just have to flip a fraction. But is that an important question that I need to be like "oh I need to flip"? Besides a very obvious way of asking to
Does this work for general soloution (ignore handwriting im high asf)
Honestly yeah lol besides graphing and identities that’s pretty much all the reciprocal functions do (I believe) until calc
Does trigonometry equations use radians or degrees more?
Radians
You only use degrees until you know how to use radians
Cause sin(x) in degrees has some bad properties for if you are using trig functions in calculus
E.g sin(x)/x only approaches 1 as x approaches 0 in radians
Its harder right?
And the derivative of sin(x) is cos(x) only in radians (in degrees you would need to multiply by pi/180)
Cause i can simply put degrees into a calculator
Not really
You can also put radians into a calc
pi radians = 180 degrees
remember the conversion and you're good
Yeah you should use a proper scientific calculator
I do
Okok
I use a 25 euro scientific calculator
cool
but for Geometry can you even use radians?
radians are not something mystical
they are just another unit of angle
any angle can be expressed either in degrees or in radians, and it is a matter of convenience and contextual appropriateness which unit is to be used.
100-4% is actually correct though
% = 1/100
100-4% = 100 - 4/100 = 100 - 0.04 = 99.96
i see no problems with that one
students should properly understand the arithmetic operations when handling percentages
you should do 100(1-4%) or 100(96%)
but i do like your style
Thank you for helping me!
precision is always good
Define a parallel rectangle P in R^n to be an n-fold Cartesian product of compact intervals, so its sides are parallel to the coordinate axes. Let an oblique rectangle O be a rectangle whose sides are not parallel to the coordinate axes; it is obtained as the image under an orthogonal transformation T of a parallel rectangle, so T(P)=O. An almost disjoint collection of sets means that the sets intersect each other at most along their boundary. v(.) is the volume of a rectangle, i.e. the product of the length of its sides (where length of say [a,b] is simply b-a). Note, that since an orthogonal transformation preserves lengths and angles, we have v(P)=v(O).
Consider then the following lemma in my lecture notes:
Philip
How hard is it to prove this lemma? Do you know a proof or a reference where this is proved? I'm grateful for anything! Prior to this, the author has proved some results about parallel rectangles which may be useful in proving the above lemma. If you want to know more, let me know and I'll post some more results the author has already proved.
:)
How come you did -3?
Why wouldn’t it be -3?
It is indeed a bit off
There’s no need to use pi in this case
I don’t know I’m asking
Oh, you can see that the function has 3 times the amplitude of a regular cosine function
But why - not postive ?
cos(0) evaluate to 1 but in the image you can see that y evaluates to -3 at 0
Yeah, If it’s 3 at 0 then it would be multiplied with positive 3
@twin python do you still need help with this? if yes, share all progress you've made so far.
Yes
I can't figure out tbh
I jolted the remaining angles but I still can't figure out
jolted?
Noted
ok
so let me ask you first a conceptual/vocabulary question
do you know the word that describes the placement of these angles relative to the polygon?
Exterior angle
M not sure
what do they all add up to?
360
Oh shoot I forgot sry
the exterior angles add up to 360°.
as you yourself said.
do you see how to do your problem now?
Thank u very much
Hello
Does anyone know how to simplify this
I tried using the double angle cosine formula but it didn't help at all
what's the goal?
Simplifying the expression
why not look at the numerator
oh let's go this is my favorite trig identity
you don't have to, you'll be fine without it
that's your reason for not following my suggestion?
or i guess that wasn't meant as an answer to my question
so i'm going to reiterate:
look at the numerator
epic
the whole thing simplifies to that, yes.
Ok, thanks
i miss when they would put smiley faces with sunglasses when i got things right
unrelated to the problem itself
it's a good feeling
to me
By the way
What do you mean by saying "trig identites"?
Does it mean trig formulas or functions?
by "identity" i mean "formulas that are true for any angle" essentially
shit like sin^2(x) + cos^2(x) = 1
Got it
for example, when you have an equation, say, sin(x) = 1, you can ask the question, "is this an identity?" and the answer would be no, since sin(x) is not always 1
but you can ask something like Ann said, like "is sin^2(x) + cos^2(x) = 1 an identity?" and then the answer would be yes
becuase we know that this is true no matter what x is
Thanks. I understand it
Hello everyone. The condition of the task is to find the two sides of the isosceles trapezoid with the information given in the drawing. The correct answer should be 13√10, but somehow I got 13√8. I struggle to find my mistake
1521 + 169 = ?
lol
без да искаш си извадил числата вместо да събереш
exp() is longer compared to e^
e^ix can be abbreviated to cis(x) anyways
Right
And this isn’t really about #geometry-and-trigonometry
Maybe
Does anyone here study spherical trigonometry?
Yeah but only the basics
Nice
Have you found it useful
Or is the subject obsolete in terms of applications?
Applications are for nerrrrrrds
Yeah but I still wanna know if it is still used today
i mean, navigation is a thing
would imagine that spherical trig has that as its biggest application
It’s still useful in geography, astronomy and etc.
Celestial sphere calculations, stars transit time, celestial coordinates system conversion
As well as calculating great circle distances
So geographers and astronomers still know this stuff
I just studied spherical trig for fun, not because it will be useful for anything
Yeah and they used this as a base to many automatic computations
dang what's the problem
How long did it take you guys to get good at trig proofs ?
pretty nice thing i saw: every convex quadrilateral can be disected into seven convex kites like this, for example
Um….I’ve only had proofs involving Pythagorean identities, complementary angle identities, and the most basic, reciprocal identities
Assume $a^2+b^2=c^2
\newline c^2=b^2+2b(c-b)+(c-b)^2
\newline a^2 = 2b(c-b)+(c-b)^2
\newline a^2=2bc-2b^2+c^2-2bc+b^2
\newline a^2=-b^2+c^2
\newline a^2+b^2=c^2$
a little pythagoras theorem proof I made, not sure how to prove a^2 is equal to that expression though, of if I even need to.
KirbysGames
Did you just assume that a² + b² = c² to prove that a² + b² = c²? That looks like circular argument
i have no clue how to prove a^2 though
(I'm also just not good at geomertry proofs ughh)
or I guess it'd be better to say
\newline Let b and c be sides of a triangle such that c is greater than b
\newline $\exists a, b^2+a^2=c^2$
KirbysGames
yeah, that's much nicer
How do i Write a general solution for a trig equation
Like most of the time should I join the join angles together in 1 line or leave it seperate with angle +2piN
it's fine to have separate families
like if you write {π/4 + 2πn, 3π/4 + 2πn | n ∈ Z} that's perfectly ok
Ok, but like what if they ask you to write it as one is there a formula to do it or not really?
gonna need to hear the exact formulation of that requirement.
from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaunay_refinement
Chew's second algorithm
...
At each step, the circumcenter of a poor-quality triangle is inserted into the triangulation with one exception: If the circumcenter lies on the opposite side of an input segment as the poor quality triangle, the midpoint of the segment is inserted.
What do they mean by "input segment" here?
Not an expert but
The circumcentre can lie outside the triangle
So it would be lying on the opposite side of say side YZ
so, that is what they meant? that the point is outside triangle?
Hopefully
I think you'd have to read the papers linked in the references to understand what they mean
this is what I thought initially too but that would be a really weird to phrase it
my other assumption was that they talk about points that lie outside of constrained geometry, that would make more sense
not just triangle one single, but global boundary instead
well, still, what's input segment?
maybe they mean the longest edge of a triangle?
because it lies against worst angle in the triangle?
so, if the circumcenter is outside triangle, we divide this longest edge in half instead?
Probably?
Yeah I guessed that's what they mean
is this algorithm good if I target edge size instead of angle?
btw they could've just said that circumcentre is used for accute triangles and midpoint of edge lying against obtuse angle for obtuse triangles
(well, and for right triangles both are the same location)
Yeah why don't they communicate clearer...
how do i do this i have no idea
Look form a right triangle for the 6 and 3 and get the hypotenuse same for the three and 4 . Then draw the other diagonal for the square. Then get the angle for the 3,4,5 triangle opp 4 adj 3 so tan4/3 + 90 then use the cosine rule to get the diagonal
yeah i considered that
but this is a geometry problem lol
ideally you don't need trig
yes, but there is a sneaky trick
what is it?
Trust me you can’t
Ok so how?
Ok? Now what?
that is the clue
Oh wow good job dude
Well i could have gotten it if i drew but am not home lmao sorry for doubting you 💀
i can just ask for help here righy
just post a question with full context
yes
At first when i saw addition formulas and proofs i was like " why don't you just add the output of sines and that's it" but then I forgot that we are talking about functions not just simple direct numbers. I don't understand completely why but i guess due to the fact that a function follow a certain system of correlation like in the case of trig functions. They are not just direct values but fractions. What do you think?
what progress have you made on it?
i think for the value it goes with would 5pi/4
for what value?
-1
um
i mean its true but are there any other values?
wait its not true actually
💀 mb
what's your thought process for finding the 'value'
you would need to find -1 on the unit circle
like the one that matches up with it
and then you would need to find theta
not exactly
i'm going to call the value x ok?
like x = theta/2 + pi/4
right
so like tan(x) = -1
are you following or nah xD
yea
ok
im just gonna get a picture of the unit circle
you're looking for a point where sinx/cosx = -1
cos is the x value
sin is the y value
of each point
right?
if this doesnt make sense at any time lmk lol
yea this is hard part for me
ok
look at 60 degrees
60 degrees = pi/3
the (x,y) coordinates here are (1/2 , (sqrt(3) )/2)
the 60 degrees or pi/3 are the inputs of a trig function
like sin(60 degrees)
or sin(pi/3)
sin(60 degrees) means the y value at the "60 degree" point
i'm not explaining this well 😭
uh
do you see the (x,y) points?
yea
ok
thats if x is 60 degrees
so you kinda want to find where the degree gives a point (x,y) such that y/x = -1
i know that much
ok
is it just to a point of memorization?
yea but am i just supposed to guess to figure out which two point equal to -1
like the angle
um yes...
but it isn't too hard
because you know if you divide two numbers and you get 1
they have to be the same number
so what happens if you divide two numbers and u get -1
so sqrt2/2. sqrt2/2?
that would be if tan(x) = 1
but we're looking for tan(x) = -1
so one of them is negative
both would be positve?
like the x can be negative, or the y value can be negative, but the x and y cannot both be negative, or the x and y cannot both be positive
3pi/4 and 7pi/4
yeah
and keep in mind you could keep adding pi, but they limited you to only be from 0 to 2pi
like you could get 11pi/4 and its the same as 3pi/4
but its out of the domain
ye
so anyway
x = theta/2 + pi/4
x = 3pi/4 and 7pi/4
do u know how to continue
from there
it has something to do with 3pi/4+2pik
i would move the pi/4 over
amd then mult by *2 to get the theta alone
or x
you'd set x = 3pi/4 and solve for one solution of theta, then set x = 7pi/4 to solve for the other soltuion of theta
yeah
would i multiply everything by *2?
i got pi+4pik
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how do i find the surface area for problem 13
how do u do this 😭 i got that BC is 7 and drew a diagram but then what?
there are also similar triangles but u need more
can you show us your diagram
aight lemme see...
triangles AZY and ABC are similar
could do something with that i think
let β := angle B (which is equal to angle AYZ of course)
then angle AZY = 120° - β
and angle BZX = β
so it would appear triangle BXZ turns out isosceles
XYC is isosceles as well
with some more angle chasing
mark off in both triangles which sides are equal
oh yeah so it’s 7/2 then?
so it would appear
shhh
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did i ask anywhere else?
i thought it was fitting to ask here since its a trigonometry chat
sorry
yeah you asked both here and in a bunch of help channels
please just ask in one place
it is on-topic, but we'd rather not have the same question posted in a bunch of different places in the server
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I need to find the radius of the circle with an equilateral triangle inscribed in it but for the sides I have 2 lengths that can be the side length of the triangle since everything I did led to ⊾BAC=⊾BCD=90
this is the question
yep
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What’s argument angle ? Is it angle the angle that is the closest to the postive x-axis from your angle
to find the negatives, do we ALWAYS go clockwise
im so confuse rn when doing other practice questions
all this arrow directions got me confused back when hs physics had the hand signs
Yes
Angles are measured anticlockwise from the positive x-axis, by definition
Oh what's this about
The right-hand rule?
Man I miss physics tbh
Thanks
Interesting that you're not doing physics now, oh well
I still ask myself that question why
I need more difficult problems in the field of analytic geometry with solutions
ABCA1B1C1 is a regular triangular prism, the sides of the base and the side edge have a height of 6. A secant plane is drawn through the base of the edges AC and BB1 and the vertex A1 of the prism. Find the cross-sectional area of the prism of this plane.
How to solve it?
Tbf mate I don’t know
i can't visualize it 💀
did you make a diagram
I forgot how to find EA and FB Can someone help me out
not enough information, show us the entire problem statement
I'm guessing E is the midpoint of AC and F is the midpoint of BC
Can you explain
Since E and F are midpoints, AE =BF=20
all sides are equal
40/2 you get the midpoint
40/2=EF
yea
So how you know EA if we have nothing on CA
the sides are all equal
Oh I’m so stupid
Thank you
no problem
do you think the perimeter should be something else?
we have
- 10+7+9 = 26
- the three equal sides are each 3 = 9, and the 7 side is equal to a side as well so
26+9+7=42 - the difference of lengths of the 10 side and 7 side is 3, using this and the other equal 7 side, the side directly below it should be 7-3=4
42+4=46
P = 46cm
No
then make a diagram lol
lol
Nvm that wasn’t trig
can someone explain how the answer is C?
I worked it out and I got -cos(x)-2 in contrast to the answer 2-cos(x)
a and b are both incorrect for 18
you cannot apply "isosceles triangle theorem" when the equal angles are in two different triangles
||c|| is the answer to 18, to see this ||consider the two angle equalities you have and the fact that the angles of any triangle sum to 180 degrees||
There’s 4 answers in this question
What am I supposed to do for the remaining 3? Or did I do something wrong? This is as far as I can remember what to do when referencing to my lecture video in its examples.
so your point of confusion is that this equation has 4 solutions...?
Yea but how do I get the other 3
hm
you only got -pi/3
what about -2pi/3?
thats one as well
i would say that you would do well to first get the general solution.
no thats a waste of time
sin(3y/2) = -sqrt(3)/2
y = -π/3 + 2πk, y = -2π/3 + 2πk, for k in Z
au contraire
it will help you not fuck up which solutions are included and which are not
so it's anything but
I would just get the first two values of -root3/2
which is -pi/3 -2pi/3
then minus 2 pi from both
from here, find the integer values of k with make your values fall in the desired range
then boom u have ur 4 solutions
i mean sure you can also step up/down by 2pi
until you are out of the interval
amounts to the same shit
this has an error
those should actually be 3y/2 not y
i forgor to include the 3/2 factor
so the general solutions for y would be
y = -pi + 4πk/3, y = -2pi + 4πk/3
The issue with this method, my lecturer never showed this way from what I remember unless I forgot somewhere in those multiple lecture recordings - so it just confuses me because I don’t get it
I’ll get back to you because I had to rush outside for a moment
helloo
A right angled triangle has one 90° angle
It obeys the pythagoras theorem and its area is the easiest to find
does it also obey trig ratios?
Equal to the (area of a rectangle with the same side lengths)÷2
Yes. For example, if one of the two non 90° angles inside is x then sin x is the opposite side/hypotenuse
ohhhhh, it's starting to make more sense now
i didnt know this!
Think about it
A rectangle cut in half diagonally is a right angled triangle
That's about it idk what else to tell you ask any doubts
You're welcome
can someone help me find the area of a kite
you can split a kite into two triangles and find the area of each and add them
depends on what youve been given tho, send a photo of the question
okay so
look at the top triangle
its base is the long horizontal line, whihc is 40+3 = 43ft.
height of the top triangle is 8 ft.
area of a triangle = base x height x 0.5
so area of top triangle = 0.5 x 43 x 8 = 172 ft^2
bottom triangle is also 172 ft^2, same procedure
so total is 172+172 = 344 ft^2
imma see if it's right rq
yeah check
there u go then, np
theres also a general formula for area of a kite
but u can just do this, more intuitive
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you ended up doing the entire thing for him
ah okay sorry
huh???
correct
What’s the product to sum formulas for (cos a)(sin b) and (sin a)(cos b)? Or what’s the difference?
sin(a+b) = sin(a)cos(b) + cos(a)sin(b)
sin(a-b) = sin(a)cos(b) - cos(a)sin(b)
Isn’t that add/subtract identities
Oh nvm I found it
oh sorry i didnt see product to sum 💀
ok cool mb 💀
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,tex sin $$8x$$
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,tex sin 8x
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,tex sin 8x = 2(sin 4x)(cos 4x)
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Could someone tell me if i'm doing this right? Im not really good at word problems, but i tried to visualize it out
I assumed kite was 300m away, so it's HYP
And 53 degrees is greater than the other angle so it's going to the longer side
Sin(53) = x/300
Sin(53)(300) = x
x = approx 239.6
And since my hand is 4 feet above the ground, I add 4 to 239.6?
So 243.6? Someone pls confirm
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I believe you are right
Are you able to check your answer?
I'm assuming you are using bim
that is correct
This is a practice quiz cant
No I assumed both visualizations where either 300 was the HYP or the height, how do I know Im right
they should have specified the distance between what and what, but i think its safe to assume they meant the distance from your hand to the kite
and if that is the case, then yes it is the hypotenuse of the right triangle
otherwise there would be no trigonometry 🤣
that's not why i came to that conclusion, but it is funny lol
i agree
like which values are the HYP, and the height, because you have to visualize the stuff
Ye..
yeah
Ty for the help
,tex tan(x/2) + csc x = (2-cos x)/sin x
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,tex tan 3x = (3tan x-tan^3x)/(1-3tan^2x)
Cyberr
tan 3x = (3tan x-tan^3x)/(1-3tan^2x)
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,tex $$tan \frac {x}{2} + csc x = \frac {2-cos x}{sin x}$$
Cyberr
,tex $$tan 3x = \frac {3tanx-tan^{3}}{1-3tan^{2}x}$$
Cyberr
any reason why you are writing so small?
don't forget \tan, \sin, \cos etc. in tex
also in #80, how did $\frac{2-\cos(x)}{\sin(x)}$ transmogrify into $\frac{4-4\cos(x)+\cos^2(x)}{\sin^2(x)}$?
Ann
oh wait, it looks like you tried to square both sides but then fell victim to freshman's dream on the left.
also in the tan(3x) one you didn't seem to fuck up (yet), all that remains on the LHS is to multiply outer num and denom by (1-tan^2(x)) as per standard nested fraction clearing procedure
Yo I got 87
It became clear when I put everything over 1-tan^2 x
I write small cuz I try to fit everything in 1 page
I’m new to tex so…
Hehe
Bruh no…
@dark sparrow I got $\frac {{1-\cos x}^{2}}{1-\cos^{2} x} = \frac {2-\cos x}^{2}{1-\cos^{2} x}
Bruh
$\frac {{1-\cos x}^{2}}{1-\cos^{2} x} = \frac {2-\cos x}^{2}{1-\cos^{2} x}$
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bad habit!
you would do well to write a little bigger so that both you and whoever's reading your work don't have to use a microscope.
it sounds like you did not fix the issue i pointed out
you cannot go from
tan(x/2) + 1/sin(x) = (2 - cos(x))/sin(x)
to
tan^2(x/2) + 1/sin^2(x) = [(2-cos(x))/sin(x)]^2
do you understand why? yes or no.
there's this lovely identity
$\tan(x/2) = \frac{1 - \cos(x)}{\sin(x)} = \frac{\sin(x)}{1 + \cos(x)}$
Ann
…
I have never seen this identity before in my life
Ok let me try the problem again
BRO I DID IN LITERALLY 3 steps
@dark sparrow how was this identity derived
Anyways I gtg so thx !
How does one get a root 3 /3
are you asking how tan(30°) = sqrt(3)/3?
Yes
?
It was a video from Organic Chemistry Tutor
Where I was looking he was teaching how to find missing sides for various triangles
i gave you a diagram to explain why tan(30°) = sqrt(3)/3
ochem tutor assumed that you know this value and used it to find some side lengths in his problem
Well can you explain this imagine for a beginner to this concept?
Or what can I look for to learn this
and is there another way to learn this as well?
look up "SOH-CAH-TOA" and "trig values of special angles" maybe??
i am referring directly to the defn of trig functions
I do see one video kind of similar. I'll check that.
YT keeps showing me the right triangles. Which I actually did got the hang of them. But I want to keep learning more
This is all I got from the teacher I need to find the distance of BD
Looks trigonometric to me.
Im not understanding this that well
Hey @rugged shuttle how to do problems in the degrees? I don't know🫤
yikes
This is the cutest math I have ever seen.
Bro if this comes on my exam, I would rather fail
yeah sorry mate, I messed up there.
Like messed up real bad, like completely disregarded smth
Dude
The thought that smth like this even exists
Itself is frightening.
What the mistake?
Am in grade 9 man 😭
Through I would still interested to see what went wrong
Haha, no.
Nvm dude
I can't even solve simple side change maths
I mean… I know I messed up, but like this thing only required like grade 7 geometry and thats it. But problems can get a bit difficult in geometry, like this one which was meant for some high schoolers:
@upper karma so I used what ever I can remember from your old message, assuming you got that all the 3 area of the 3 triangles are the same, that is true and correct for all right triangle, or all triangle i am not sure only did it with right triangle
Why was that a reply message idk
Accident
Oh essentially you have a triangle where the heights touch opposite sides at some points which form a triangle with lengths 5 12 and 13 and you need to find the area of the original triangle
Nvm it wasn’t that interesting of a problem you just had to use a certain identity to find the answer
Oi oi oi
What's going on in trigonometry???
Speaking of trigonometry
I am very bad at trigonometry and geometry in general
Could someone help me with geometry?
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sure lil bro
just post the question, no need to ask for someone to help you
Idk how to translate
Let me translate ir
Based on the drawing, calculate the area of the shaded quadrilateral
@past geyser
Yrd
yes
But im confused
Where to pit then umbers
And how to do the calculations
from what language?
Lithuanian
ok nevermind
right so you want the area of this, ok
let's maybe start by giving names to all the relevant points here.
gimme a moment to reproduce this shape.
Its asking fir the area
So yeah
ok so here is the thing
i gave names to all relevant points and reproduced all of the markings from the diagram.
Alright
I i olny know where the rectanglr is
That at the top and botton should be 2
the shape consists of 3 pieces, and we will proceed by calculating the area of each one:
- triangle CED
- rectangle BCEF
- triangle ABF
can you tell me what segments, precisely, have length 2 cm?
i gave names to everything, specifically to avoid these vague terms of location.
ok but can you name these two segments?
Wdym
also wow, black bands.
Umm
they do have names, i want you to say their names.
Hard choicr
Idk
"hard choice" means you either don't know or don't remember what i might be talking about.
Im terrible at math
if a segment has one end named P and another end named Q, what is the name for the segment itself?
it's language-independent, i would say.
yes
such a segment would have the name PQ.
Oh
Ohh
this is why we give names to things.
names to points more specifically.
so that we can refer to segments, angles, polygons etc. unambiguously via their names
and everybody can tell from the diagram what lies where.
understood?
too bad i don't speak lithuanian.
Just nor sure where to get the orher 2
now for what comes next, i'll need you to follow my instructions closely.
okay
and i also need you to NOT do something i didn't ask about.
Ok
ok
look at this diagram now, and focus specifically on triangle CED.
you will be applying the Pythagorean theorem to this triangle.
i want you to fill in each blank space in the following formula with one of the sides of this triangle (CD, DE, and CE):
____^2 + ____^2 = ____^2
- You must reply with the entire formula, with the blanks filled in.
- I will reject an answer that consists of just the three sides listed with commas between them; for example, the answer
DE, CD, CEor anything similar will be rejected. - I will reject any answer that contains any numbers (aside from the 2 exponents); for example, the answer
2^2 + 3^2 = CD^2or anything similar will be rejected.
Okay
ok, awaiting response.
awaiting response!
I dont have a calculator by me so ik doing it in website
no
you do not need a calculator for this.
do NOT do anything with the equation, except what i am asking.
Yes i know
you can and should write it here in plain text.
^
if you need this symbol
it is most likely shift+6 on your keyboard.
i believe in you.
So if it’s not √ 2^2 plus 3^3 = ?? then how should it be?
Thats how my math teacher does it
sounds like you didn't read my instructions!!!
I will reject any answer that contains any numbers (aside from the 2 exponents); for example, the answer
2^2 + 3^2 = CD^2or anything similar will be rejected.
no, no square roots.
ok, let's go back one step.
since you aren't great with english mathematical terminology (which is perfectly understandable),
Its 13
no, forget the numbers!
Yes
since you aren't great with english mathematical terminology (which is perfectly understandable),
let us go over the relevant words for our scenario.
first,
do you know what the word "right angle" means?
I think so
Yes
Yes
two of the sides of a right triangle are touching the right angle, while the third side is across from it.
do you know what the side across from the right angle is called?
it's ok if you don't, i will tell you. but i want to see if you know.
no.
it's called the hypotenuse.
the side across from the right angle is called the hypotenuse.
Oh
and i'm also going to say that the other two sides, which are touching the right angle, are called the legs.
Ooh
Yeah
i can look up the translations of these into lithuanian if you want.
Inunderstand
ok, right.
now that we that in order,
the Pythagorean theorem states: the square of the hypotenuse equals the sum of the squares of the legs.
in other words, (leg)^2 + (other leg)^2 = (hypotenuse)^2.
these might be named by different letters, so i am avoiding the usual presentation as a^2 + b^2 = c^2, and on purpose.
Oh
so coming back to this
applying the pythagorean theorem to triangle CED
you would have:
CE^2 + ED^2 = CD^2
understand?
Yes
ok.
so now we can fill in the numbers that we know
namely that CD = 3 and ED = 2 (as given to us directly)
which gets us:
CE^2 + 2^2 = 3^2
can you find CE now?
Pythagorean?
i don't understand your question.
Ce by pythagorean?
with all due respect, have you been listening to all the things i've been saying?
@arctic vector
you have the equation
CE^2 + 2^2 = 3^2
yes it did come from the pythagorean theorem.
Yes
but now it does not matter.
you just solve it like any other equation.
for that, its origin in the theorem doesn't matter.
The Pythagorean Theorem was created by Pythagoras
Oh
do not overthink. just do what i tell you.
Maybe im like extremely sleepy thats why its hard for me to focus
It can solve world problems
ok then the question is
why are you doing math while sleepy?
a2 + b2 = c2
are you doing homework for tomorrow morning?
with all due respect, you aren't helping.
No
Yes ive been trying alk day
I study pre university math
Because nobody is online when i need help
I literally do math for fun
Most people are only obline late
You are acute
i repeat @tame gale are you over or under 13 years of age?
ok
anyway
@arctic vector do you want to continue?
Mhm
@dark sparrow Can I join
What the
Umm
discord's TOS forbid users under 13 years old.
<@&268886789983436800> user kiarny was seen posting a decidedly inappropriate gif.
which has since been deleted.
But can we speed up things? I really want to sleep and i’d try to learn from it in the morning
Ahh
You know abbreviations such as "idk"
But don't know English.
Very interesting.
@arctic vector Can I join whatever you and Ann were doing, I'm certified Mathlete
mhm
ok, let us try.
again
you have the equation
CE^2 + 4 = 9
in front of you
find CE.
no.
Why
you will obstruct more than you can help.
I'm a thirteen year old prodigy in highschool and I study university math and physics
i do not need your assistance here, thank you.
x^2 + 4 = 9, find x
i cannot tell you this in any other way except by doing it for you.
Not like assistance, it's that I'm lonely and no one wants to be my friend
13 x^2??
if you just want to chat, there's #chill and #discussion. go there. @zinc reef
This is how bad i am
Not chat talk about math
I need tons of examples just for me to understand
you need to review how to solve equations.
Yea
i think it will be very difficult for us to progress here.
are you able to come back to this problem tomorrow?
No one pays attention to me because they think I'm crazy because I'm trying to solve Raymon's Hypothesis
yes
go to #math-discussion.
or #discussion, or #chill.
No one pays attention to me there because they think I'm crazy because I'm trying to solve Raymon's Hypothesis
<@&268886789983436800> we got a refusal to comply with redirection here
Ok thx
i can't and won't guarantee that i will be available
@dark sparrow
yes?
Why are you so mean
in what way was i mean? by redirecting you while you were interrupting a convo with somebody else?
I said I wanted to join your conversation because I was curious
the way you inserted yourself into the conversation was by repeating things i said earlier.
On what math equation you were talking about
the conversation also had a purpose -- helping mm2swifty with his geometry problem -- and you got in the way of that.
i do apologize for being rather crass in telling you off.
I accept
you try walking up to someone irl who's having a convo and interrupting them though -- i imagine they won't be very happy about that
I do imagine a lot of crazy things like in physics I imagined a blackhole curving the spce and time around it like Einstein
seriously... #math-discussion is the place for that.
They think I'm crazy
Bro maybe you weren't cooking food rather, smth else.
What do you mean
It's a joke
.
how much earned
ye
Why doesn't it? If I have a function $f\left(x\right)=x^{2}, \f\left(2x\right)=\left(2x\right)^{2}$
Primordial
but you aren't saying the equality tan(A) = 3tan(A)/(1-tan(A)) - 1 holds for all A, are you?
(which indeed it doesn't)
and that introduces f by saying f(x) is to be equal to x^2 for all x. so it is a different scenario entirely.
I understand now. Thank you for clearing that up!
Are there any good videos that go over double angles and half angles and explain what is happening well so you understand the concepts?
I just had an exam and feel like I'm struggling to figure out anything involving half angles
And I hate continuing to the following sections when I didn't feel good about the previous sections. I feel like it just builds a bad foundation :/
Professor Leonard (aka Superman)
I'll take a look. I think I saw it pop up in a google search before. Thanks!
Can someone tell me why this is 10.1, and not 9.9?
I used Tan^-1(3.5/20)
3.5 is the height (O)
20 is the base length (A)
are you sure 20 ft is the base length?
Uhh
Ohh i see it now
Sin^-1 was suppose to be used because it says surface of ramp so hypothenuse
🤦♂️
Which identity?
Product to sum formula for right hand side
Yo guys
For the equation like this without the pi/4 the y inter is 0 but since it has the pi/4 I know the y inter is going to be higher how do I calculate the exact vaule of that
do you know in general how to calculate the y-intercept of a curve, trigonometric or otherwise?
@dark sparrow hi
Yes bro read my question
read their question
what does it mean to have a y-intercept in the xy-plane?
My question is I know how to calculate the y-inter for sin which is represented by D, so I am asking how would calcite the y inter for sin when their is a horizontal transformation.
answer this precisely, "A y-intercept of a function f(x) is ___"
look
you can set $f(x)=\sin (x+\frac \pi4)$
Kakaka
Bro just answer my question lol idk why your being a prick
a y-intercept is the value of f(x) when x=0
in your original questoin
why does it matter what the horizontal shift is?
$f(x)=\sqrt2 \sin (\pi/4)$
Kakaka
don't call me bro.
please edit that word out of your message.
f(0) not f(x)
oops yes
How is that = to 1
Bc without the shit y-inter is 0 but with the shift it is now 1
I think I know what's going on
you don't actually understand what a y-intercept is
hence your confusion
It’s not = to 1 tho
You being condescending as hell when all I’m asking is a simple explanation says a lot about you as a person
do you see your problem here
@faint comet please edit the word "bro" out of your earlier message.
I initially tried to direct you to think about the precise definition of the y-intercept to help resolve your confusion
from here specifically. you have not yet done so.
but you ignored me
$\sqrt 2 \cdot \frac{\sqrt 2}{2}=1$
Kakaka
That’s all I need bro thanks
@faint comet i repeat: please edit the word "bro" out of your earlier message as i asked you 3 times now (incl. this one)
Bro that’s so mean
<@&268886789983436800> we got a deliberate misgenderer here
maybe 2 if we also count detakro
What did I do I’m sticking up for her
i think detakro was referring to archer