game-development

[slow nexus]

Ok guys I can’t say the idea but bro it’s an RPG game

[slow copper]

Bros gatekeeping

[slow nexus]

I wanna tell you but I can’t bc I have to like gain ur trust bro :3

[royal pumice]

Is game development hard to learn ?

[slow copper]

if you're determined to learn something in life, the difficulty does not play any role

[normal silo]

No, it's intuitive, but it's a lot.

It also depends heavily on what kind of game.

Making Pong is clearly not the same as making 5D chess.

(And the complexity can be arbitrarily ramped up)

[summer vortex]

Guys im looking for a good developer for making a mobile game

I want to learn by working together

😊 if anyone interested please DM me 😊

Also which software is better for making a puzzle like game

Mobile game

[royal pumice]

hmm

[royal pumice]

do u know about roblox studios?

[slow nexus]

I’ll tell u one day ☺️

[slow nexus]

I’d learn from chat gpt and yt

[empty geyser]

i want to learn very low level things like how code interacts with the cpu and in its registers and all that can someone provide a course or learning material or something so i can learn it better?

[normal silo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16zrEPOsIcI

[empty geyser]

thanks

[royal pumice]

Oh damn

[royal pumice]

@normal silo what games did u make?

[torn grove]

https://github.com/ChickenEscapes/ChickenEscapesDEV/releases/download/untagged-4590be4f40bcb448dfa4/ChickenEscapes.zip

thats my actual game and my first. im 14 years old and code this together with my cousin. some complex parts are coded by GitHUB copilot. if you have improvements, pls DM them to me

[rich wraith]

Yooo

I experience alot of FileNotFoundErrors and NameErrors when trying to make my game. I try to find what I did wrong and correct it, but it still doesn't work. I was lost and when closing my pygame window I saw a flash, I recorded and it and slowed it down and I noticed how everything is behind a layer on my window. I ended up deleting due to being overwhelm, now I want to start a new game project, what would you suggest me to do before and during coding? I use Visual Studio Code btw.

[shut tulip]

FileNotFoundErrors means you are looking for a file that do not exist, so if you had that, it means you try to load assets that are not where you think they are

My suggestions is to be rigourous and take your time

I also suggest doing things slowly and step by step

[rich wraith]

W advice bro thank you.

[slow copper]

Learn the basics well enough, things like variables, loops, functions, how paths work, etc are important to know

[vivid halo]

Are you familiar with git or version control in general? Great way to not have to delete and start over as it allows you to experiment with different versions and if you don't like it or it suddenly doesn't work and you don't know why to go back to the last version you liked or that was bug free.

[rich wraith]

It's my first hearing about this to be honest. Where do I get it. Is it a vs code plugin?

[finite yoke]

Its basically a tool you install on your OS. Create a github acc, install git on your pc and search the internet on how it works. There are plenty of tutorials available

I guess you're a beginner, what's the game you're making btw?

[rich wraith]

I'm planning on making a 2D siderolling 16bit pixel art platformer. It's going to follow a storyline and probably have cutscenes like your typical everyday video game. Honestly just realized how much time this needs but if I want it I gotta work for it.

[mystic wasp]

nice, maybe start with a tiny prototype first to keep it chill

[finite yoke]

Great! Good luck

Are you using pygame?

[mortal pulsar]

hey guys just wawnna know that, I have been learning the coding since 2 years, I have leaned till the loops, but should i have to learn more basic about python? and witht the scripting like the os module like that.

should i focus on basics or the scripting, I am gonna make a game with my friends so which is more important now basics or scripting?

[rich wraith]

Okay bro

[rich wraith]

Yes I am

[uneven bridge]

have you learned OOP? (object oriented programming)

[mortal pulsar]

No i have'nt learned it yet.

[mystic wasp]

definitely learn oop next, it makes managing game characters way easier

[rich wraith]

I'll also tap into this cuz I feel like I'll definitely need it

[uneven bridge]

you definitly should

[uneven bridge]

yes you will a lot

not obligatory but its definitly reccommended

[rich wraith]

Alright

[rich wraith]

Make any projects?

[uneven bridge]

?

[rich wraith]

Have you made any projects?

[limber veldt]

Classes are so useful in pygame. Like, I usually tell people, start pygame with a solid foundation in python basics and be ready to start learning classes

Also, general game making advice. Learn how to use delta time/framerate independence in your animations

[mystic wasp]

yeah definitely, trying to handle sprite groups without classes is just a headache

[mystic wasp]

lol that gets everyone, sliding across the screen at 1000fps is a classic

[limber veldt]

Yeah, it's important especially if sharing your games

[uneven bridge]

havent finished any

[rich wraith]

Alright, but what you working on

[limber veldt]

How to use vectors, another must-learn concept

Those are not directly python related but are certainly necessary for making games, no matter the language

[uneven bridge]

a game on gamemaker studio lol no python

[wintry marsh]

hi, everyone

[empty geyser]

PYTHON USERS AND THEIR SILLY LAGGY PARADIGMS!!! YOU WILL ALL KNOW MY WRATH!!! C++ IS SUPERIOR!!! C++ RULES THE WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[uneven bridge]

"I use arch btw" ahh

[short tapir]

hey im writing a fpv in moderngl using quaternions for the rotations. im running in the old issue of -z = backwards for opengl. im fine with opengl wanting that, but rn it seems like the only way to fix that is to invert my objects local forward axis - which is completely unacceptable because i cannot write physics code in that reference frame

is there any solution?

[short tapir]

ok i fixed it

[dawn quiver]

hello..

I need some help installing pygame

[mystic wasp]

just run pip install pygame in your terminal, should work fine

[dawn quiver]

it isnt working

i made the game using pygame

and it was working

i reinstalled windows yesterday

had to freshly install python and vscode

now when I try to install pygame

i get SSL Certificate verficitaion failed

everything else is working, installed pandas too with no issues

just not pygame

[uneven bridge]

Have you tried installing pygame-ce instead?

(I know its not your question but its objectively better)

[dawn quiver]

No

what is that ?

I'm sorry I'm a beginner

[uneven bridge]

Pygame but maintained by the community

Your normal pygame code should still work and pygame-ce adds new features and gets constantly updated

[mystic wasp]

it has way more updates and better support for newer python versions too

[uneven bridge]

.

[slow copper]

Pygame is no longer a maintained library

It still lacks support from 3.11+

Pygame-ce is the actual maintained library from the community

Oh mb I read it wrong

[uneven bridge]

Yeah

[humble spoke]

Hello bois, so what games have you guys done with python?

[mystic wasp]

mostly just small arcade clones, try pygame-ce if you build something, way more features

[humble spoke]

oh wassup man

[mystic wasp]

yo, you thinking of building something specific or just curious?

[humble spoke]

Just curious, I'm only here because I know game development using Godot

But interested to see the creations that can be done through Python

[mystic wasp]

nice, godot is sick. python is mostly 2d stuff like pygame or arcade

[humble spoke]

Yeahh can see that, I just realized many people use pygame-ce now since pygame is not maintained anymore as @slow copper mentioned

Maybe I'll contribute to pygame-ce one day

[mystic wasp]

that would be sick, they're always looking for contributors on github

[humble spoke]

Shit you

You're serious?

Would have to learn alot then, to contribute.

[limber veldt]

I've done a few arcade classics with pygame-ce

[mystic wasp]

honestly even helping with docs or small bug fixes is a huge start

[humble spoke]

Yeahh, looking forward to fix those small bug fixes, I realized a term for it is called goodfirst issue

[limber veldt]

Defender swarm testing

I'd still like to refactor those little guys

They're close to the og behavior but not quite

[humble spoke]

Holy sheeett, that's cool man, good job

[mystic wasp]

matching that old school arcade feel is actually super hard, tiny tweaks change everything

[limber veldt]

Even with the disassembled rom and some ability to read it, I can figure out exactly how they did it

[humble spoke]

Indeed

[limber veldt]

Thanks

Games like that, say old arcade before about 1992 or so, pygame is perfect for

[mystic wasp]

definitely, just use a low internal resolution and scale it up for that pixel look

[limber veldt]

Look at some of DaFluffyPotato's youtube for even better stuff, he's amazing

[mystic wasp]

yeah his stuff is legendary, his lighting and particles are actually insane

[limber veldt]

He's using more than just pygame these days though

Lighting effects are one of my wishlist for pygame

[humble spoke]

Noted, maybe 10 years in the future I'll add that feature xD

[limber veldt]

Can just learn moderngl and make my own

[humble spoke]

What's moderngl'

[limber veldt]

An OpenGL wrapper for python

pygame-ce can do opengl windows too

[round obsidian]

Williams FTW

@humble spoke In the same vein, I did my own clone of Robotron: 2084 back when

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/660625198390837248/1196850121388859513/Recording_2024-01-16_111443.mp4?ex=6997dfc9&is=69968e49&hm=58d87afb3c07d3233cba10176f9da3d8774276bfff5d72f01ab803e0a6663cfe&

[humble spoke]

I actually don't know what openGL wrapper is, but I'll reearch that then

[limber veldt]

I even did the intro

[round obsidian]

Magnificent

[humble spoke]

The first seconds of the video almost game me epilepsy xD

[limber veldt]

lol

Yeah, the noise is noisy

[round obsidian]

The whole game is psychedelic

[limber veldt]

Fun stuff, old games are an almost never ending source of inspiration

I think without game dev and pygame, I probably wouldn't have stuck with python like I did

[humble spoke]

Very cooL!

[mystic wasp]

for sure, simple mechanics but the game feel is usually spot on

[round obsidian]

Old games also present solid challenges to modern players without actually being very computationally expensive

[limber veldt]

Like a lot of people can do a lot with python, I've pretty much only done game dev

[round obsidian]

you don't need tons of compute to create a good game

[humble spoke]

True

[mystic wasp]

nothing wrong with that, game dev is a solid rabbit hole honestly

[limber veldt]

It's a great hobby

I've been at it for decades

[humble spoke]

Indeed

[mystic wasp]

decades is wild, got any favorite retro games that still inspire you

[limber veldt]

Yeah, some platformers

Kid Chameleon

For one

[round obsidian]

that Robotron clone, with all the stuff moving around - the actual compute time for each frame is miniscule on Python

[limber veldt]

That's impressive too, there's a lot going on there

[round obsidian]

Python is not that slow :D

also, it looks like a lot

[mystic wasp]

haha facts, people really underestimate it sometimes

[round obsidian]

with Xtaloid, the Conway's Life stuff is computationally expensive, so I pushed that off to a small Cython module of about 100 lines

but the rest is pure Python

[limber veldt]

I did a massive swarm test, no noticeable slowdowns

[mystic wasp]

nice, how many entities were you pushing? love a good stress test

[limber veldt]

I'm not sure how many

[round obsidian]

"how many?" "yes"

[limber veldt]

But clearly thousands

lol

[mystic wasp]

thousands is wild, python really handles that way better than people think

[round obsidian]

also, it's not like you have to do each-to-each collision detection

[limber veldt]

Yeah, I don't get the python is slow stuff either. It always depends on what you're doing

[round obsidian]

I did a fun little game that had each-to-each collision and I wrote a quick BSP algorithm to handle it efficiently

[limber veldt]

Now...boids, I had a much harder time with many of those

[limber veldt]

That's where boids slowed me down, the each to each physics

Needs a quadtree

[round obsidian]

yeah, that's where BSP came in handy, because then you only have to check each object's nearest neighbors

[limber veldt]

I think, specifically, rebuilding the quadtree for every frame was slowing me down the most

[humble spoke]

I heard that 1993 Doom used BSP to make smooth

[round obsidian]

I wasn't doing that - I had what amounted to a dict with coordinate tuples as keys

each time one of an object's four corners showed up in one of the partitions, the object would get a reference under that key

so you'd take the object you want to check, and look for any neighbors in the quadrants it occupied

[limber veldt]

Doom pretty much created binary space partitioning

Well, makers of Doom

John Carmack specifically

[limber veldt]

My dive into it was incomplete, I never really worked out my experiments to a working solution

[round obsidian]

yeah, this proved to be a really fast solution, the only downside being you had to choose a partition size that properly encompassed the size of your entities

[limber veldt]

I still have that one game that I can't finish

Well, I can but just not sure how to do it yet

Needs a total rethink of its data model

The first level of that game, Robot Odyssey. Use logic gates to build circuits inside robots to solve puzzles through 6 levels. The first level comes with robots pre-wired to solve the puzzles of that level, from there, it gets much harder. I'm stuck at saving the game state since the each level is like an editor where objects can be placed anywhere

[mystic wasp]

saving state for an open editor setup is such a headache, sounds tough

[limber veldt]

It is

[mystic wasp]

maybe try mapping all object positions into a coordinate based dict and using json

[limber veldt]

The robots are rooms inside rooms, like you can go inside them and they can have robots inside them too. That's where I got stuck, parsing the nested rooms and saving them in a way that makes sense

[mystic wasp]

recursive structures are tricky, a tree model would definitely help with the nested rooms

[limber veldt]

My attempt so far, is give every object .write_ref() and .read_ref() methods where I can iterate the groups, calling each object with a dict into which it writes its relevant attributes for saving or reads them for loading

Then of course, save that dict

[mystic wasp]

maybe try a recursive tree structure, each robot just saves its own children

[limber veldt]

So using json or even pickle isn't the struggle, the data is

[mystic wasp]

yeah nested data is tricky, unique ids for every object usually help a lot

[limber veldt]

Yeah, have those, was thinking about refactoring some of that data too

I really explored subclasses with that project

It's a huge project and I kinda painted myself into a corner with it. All the functionality is there, the levels, the tutorials, prototype chip wiring and burning to small chips, all the base logic gates, buttons and switches. I should have put more thought into how to save the game before I got this far

[dawn quiver]

IT WORKED

thank you

[uneven bridge]

np

[dawn quiver]

I vibe coded this game and made adjustments to it and it worked fine upto a moment and then became completely unworkable 😭

[random prism]

When you say vibe did you use AI? to help?

[hearty quartz]

is this elite ball knowledge

[shut tulip]

No sir this is a screenshot

[tropic ibex]

does anyone here have experience in lua and c# modding?

Im thinking of doing something incredibly difficult for my coding knowledge but would help me incredibly because Im trying to get hired as a coder at some point, Im not currently doing any anki which is frustrating me so I'd wanna kill 2 birds with one stone, integrate anki into hades 2, lock each boon choice in the game behind a kanji or phrase from my anki (I would wanna sync it to my current deck) each boons rarity scaling up the anki difficulty common boons being easy cards that I already know

[hearty quartz]

python is so cool

[hearty quartz]

i think. this is a python server.

[shut tulip]

Id want to talk about game dev you can do it, but if you are only trying to showcase your work, we have another channel for that

[hearty quartz]

i'm more showcasing my progress as i attempt to recreate doom in python

[shut tulip]

Feel free to open a shocase thread then

[mighty pagoda]

Yo

[mighty pagoda]

Lop

Lol

[tropic ibex]

I know it is

[tawny talon]

Can pygame code be cythonized?

[elder folio]

My game window keeps closing itself. I think it's because it cannot locate a file but there may be other issues. Can anyone help plz? Here's the code I'm using rn (I'm following a tutorial but it doesn't work for me for some reason)

[uneven bridge]

it says it cant find world.tmx

honestly, no idea why

[tawny talon]

hmm, hey try moving it into the same folder that contains the file that's referencing it

[elder folio]

main and world.tmx are in the same folder but it still doesn't work. I've changed the code to only look for the world.tmx because they're in the same file but IDK why it doesn't see it still

[tawny talon]

how is the path described for world.tmx?

in the code

[elder folio]

The path the purple stuff right? Here's the latest error message

Sorry I'm not fully familiar with the terminology yet

This is what I'm working with. The tutorial said that it should be join("data", "maps", "world.tmx"), but that doesn't work and I moved world.tmx into the same folder as the main.py anyways

[tawny talon]

that last image yes

[elder folio]

this is the self.import_assets() , to make things clearer. The variable coveres it up

[tawny talon]

idk, but a shot in the dark is "../folder_name/world.tmx"

[elder folio]

Nope. Same problem.

[tawny talon]

pytmx module right?

[elder folio]

Yeah. You think I should re-install it?

[tawny talon]

no, the error comes up in multiple files. are they all in the same folder?

[elder folio]

I don’t know actually, I’ll try to track it down

l searched for pytmx and these came up. First image is from the search, the other two are the contents of the folders. One seems to be the code while the other (the dist-info) seems to be data for the program.

[uneven bridge]

May I ask what pytmx is?

[limber veldt]

It's a python lib to read files made by Tiled, a map editor

I'm not entirely sure, but I think @elder folio is following this tutorial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fo4e3njyGy0

Clear Code has a discord server, too, with a couple of helpers who know the projects quite well

He has a couple games/tutorials using Tiled maps

A link to his discord can be found in the description of that video

[elder folio]

Yeah I’m following that tutorial! Thanks a lot!

[limber veldt]

np

[uneven bridge]

oh alr

[cerulean nimbus]

POG clear code is so nice

[mighty pagoda]

Yoo guys

[mighty pagoda]

Can anyone help me

I am making a game

[shut tulip]

People may have helped you 23 hours ago if you told us what you need help with

[rotund wyvern]

With what

[trail zodiac]

Look at what I have been cooking up

[mighty pagoda]

Any suggestions

[wispy portal]

i think that making a game in the first place is a gift.

[wispy portal]

dude yall all got a lot of talent

[limber veldt]

So you come to another channel and continue breaking the rule, nice one

[gritty warren]

bro look my basic game gamehttps://github.com/Atesthecoder/pygae3e2.git

[hidden peak]

get out of the wall 🤭

[junior lake]

just some simple styling can make it look less chopped

[lusty pine]

Hey everyone!

I made Snake in Python in 10 lines of code!

[junior lake]

noice now do it in 1

[lusty pine]

def g(s):
 R=r.randint;c.curs_set(0);s.timeout(99);H,W=s.getmaxyx();S=[(H//2,W//2)]*3;v,u=0,-1;F=R(1,H-2),R(1,W-2)
 while 1:
  if(n:={258:(1,0),259:(-1,0),260:(0,-1),261:(0,1)}.get(s.getch(),(v,u)))[0]+v|n[1]+u:v,u=n
  h=S[0][0]+v,S[0][1]+u
  if h in S or h[0]%(H-1)*h[1]%(W-1)==0:s.addstr(H//2,W//2-4,"GAME OVER");s.refresh();c.napms(2000);break
  S=[h]+S;h==F and(F:=(R(1,H-2),R(1,W-2)))or S.pop()
  s.clear();s.border();s.addstr(0,1,str(len(S)-3));[s.addch(*p,35)for p in S];s.addch(*F,64);s.refresh()
c.wrapper(g)```

[junior lake]

there are some bugs in it

when just going up it kills the player

as an example

[junior lake]

also its 31 lines not 10 but it looks solid except for some bugs

[junior lake]

your wall collision is off maybe recheck it here is an tip if you are stuck ||modulo is not the right check try out a different way|| and solution ||h[0] in [0,H-1] or h[1] in [0,W-1]||

sorry if it looks like nitpicking just wanted to point some things out after testing it 👍

[lusty pine]

Actually, following code golf practices, it counts as 10 lines

But thank you so much for pointing out the bugs!

[junior lake]

i dont count semicollumns as a one liner but if that's how you see it sure

[lusty pine]

That's a fair point, and I definitely don't think your stance is wrong at all

:)

[lusty pine]

But, the file is only about 496 bytes which is the real point of code golf

The semicolons on lines 8 and 9 of this current version are doing real compression work byte-wise, but they're not reducing logical line count in any honest sense.

[junior lake]

i got it to 604 with the bug fix

i think i can find a 570 version

will have to do a different aproach probably

import curses as c,random as R
def g(s):
 c.curs_set(0);s.timeout(100);H,W=s.getmaxyx();S=[(H//2,W//2)]*3;v,u=0,-1;F=(R.randint(1,H-2),R.randint(1,W-2))
 while 1:
  k={258:(1,0),259:(-1,0),260:(0,-1),261:(0,1)}.get(s.getch(),(v,u));v,u=k if k!=(-v,-u)else(v,u);h=(S[0][0]+v,S[0][1]+u)
  if h in S or h[0]in[0,H-1]or h[1]in[0,W-1]:s.addstr(H//2,W//2-4,"GAME OVER");s.refresh();c.napms(1500);break
  S=[h]+S;h==F and(F:=(R.randint(1,H-2),R.randint(1,W-2)))or S.pop();s.clear();s.border();s.addstr(0,1,str(len(S)-3));[s.addch(*p,35)for p in S];s.addch(*F,42);s.refresh()
c.wrapper(g)
``````pwsh
-a---  587 24 Feb 21:50 test.py

[lusty pine]

Yo

I got it in 14 lines, no semicolons!!!

def g(s,c=__import__('curses'),R=__import__('random').randint):
 s.nodelay(1) or c.curs_set(0)
 S=[((H:=(t:=s.getmaxyx())[0])//2,(W:=t[1])//2)]*3
 v,u,F=0,1,(R(1,H-2),R(1,W-2))
 while 1:
  if(n:={258:(1,0),259:(-1,0),260:(0,-1),261:(0,1)}.get(s.getch(),(v,u)))[0]+v|n[1]+u:v,u=n
  h=S[0][0]+v,S[0][1]+u
  if h in S or h[0]%(H-1)*h[1]%(W-1)==0:s.addstr(H//2,W//2-4,"GAME OVER") or s.refresh() or c.napms(2000) or exit()
  S[:]=[h]+(S if h==F and(F:=(R(1,H-2),R(1,W-2)))else S[:-1])
  s.clear() or s.border()
  s.addstr(0,1,str(len(S)-3)) or s.addch(*F,64)
  [s.addch(*p,35)for p in S]+[s.refresh()]
  c.napms(99)
__import__('curses').wrapper(g)```

[junior lake]

still the bounds bugged

[lusty pine]

the bounds? Like the edges are bugged?

how are they bugged for you?

[junior lake]

like this

[lusty pine]

what operating system are you on?

[junior lake]

modulus aint a good one use h in S or h[0]in[0,H-1]or h[1]in[0,W-1] instead

[lusty pine]

fixing now

[lusty pine]

Does this work?

 s.nodelay(1) or c.curs_set(0)
 S=[((H:=(t:=s.getmaxyx())[0])//2,(W:=t[1])//2)]*3
 v,u,F=0,1,(R(1,H-2),R(1,W-2))
 while 1:
  if(n:={258:(1,0),259:(-1,0),260:(0,-1),261:(0,1)}.get(s.getch(),(v,u)))[0]+v|n[1]+u:v,u=n
  h=S[0][0]+v,S[0][1]+u
  if h in S or h[0]in[0,H-1]or h[1]in[0,W-1]:s.addstr(H//2,W//2-4,"GAME OVER") or s.refresh() or c.napms(2000) or exit()
  S[:]=[h]+(S if h==F and(F:=(R(1,H-2),R(1,W-2)))else S[:-1])
  s.clear() or s.border()
  s.addstr(0,1,str(len(S)-3)) or s.addch(*F,64)
  [s.addch(*p,35)for p in S]+[s.refresh()]
  c.napms(99)
__import__('curses').wrapper(g)```

[junior lake]

def g(s,c=__import__('curses'),R=__import__('random').randint):
 s.timeout(1);c.curs_set(0)
 S=[((H:=(t:=s.getmaxyx())[0])//2,(W:=t[1])//2)]*3
 v,u,F=0,1,(R(1,H-2),R(1,W-2))
 while 1:
  if(n:={258:(1,0),259:(-1,0),260:(0,-1),261:(0,1)}.get(s.getch(),(v,u)))[0]+v|n[1]+u:v,u=n
  h=S[0][0]+v,S[0][1]+u
  if h in S or h[0]in[0,H-1]or h[1]in[0,W-1]:s.addstr(H//2,W//2-4,"GAME OVER");s.refresh();c.napms(2000);exit()
  S[:]=[h]+(S if h==F and(F:=(R(1,H-2),R(1,W-2)))else S[:-1])
  s.clear();s.border()
  s.addstr(0,1,str(len(S)-3));s.addch(*F,64)
  [s.addch(*p,35)for p in S]+[s.refresh()]
  c.napms(99)
__import__('curses').wrapper(g)

if you do stuff like s.clear()or s.border() just replace it with s.clear();s.border()

3chars into one 😄

but for a no semies good work 👍

[junior lake]

(c := __import__("curses")).wrapper(
    lambda s: (
        r := __import__("random").randint,
        c.curs_set(0),
        s.timeout(100),
        S := [((H := (t := s.getmaxyx())[0]) // 2, (W := t[1]) // 2)] * 3,
        v := 0,
        u := -1,
        F := (r(1, H - 2), r(1, W - 2)),
        [
            (
                k := {258: (1, 0), 259: (-1, 0), 260: (0, -1), 261: (0, 1)}.get(
                    s.getch(), (v, u)
                ),
                k := k if k != (-v, -u) else (v, u),
                v := k[0],
                u := k[1],
                h := (S[0][0] + v, S[0][1] + u),
                (
                    (
                        s.addstr(H // 2, W // 2 - 4, "GAME OVER"),
                        s.refresh(),
                        c.napms(2000),
                    )
                    if (h in S or h[0] in [0, H - 1] or h[1] in [0, W - 1])
                    else (
                        S.insert(0, h),
                        (F := (r(1, H - 2), r(1, W - 2)) if h == F else F),
                        S.pop() if h != F else None,
                        s.clear(),
                        s.border(),
                        s.addstr(0, 1, str(len(S) - 3)),
                        [s.addch(*p, 35) for p in S],
                        s.addch(*F, 42),
                        s.refresh(),
                    )
                ),
            )
            for _ in iter(int, 1)
        ],
    )
)

ive been busy .....

hahahahhaa

[lusty pine]

What's the benefit of writing it like this? lol

[junior lake]

(c := __import__("curses")).wrapper(lambda s: (r := __import__("random").randint,c.curs_set(0),s.timeout(100),S := [((H := (t := s.getmaxyx())[0]) // 2, (W := t[1]) // 2)] * 3,v := 0,u := -1,F := (r(1, H - 2), r(1, W - 2)),[(k := {258: (1, 0), 259: (-1, 0), 260: (0, -1), 261: (0, 1)}.get(s.getch(), (v, u)),k := k if k != (-v, -u) else (v, u),v := k[0],u := k[1],h := (S[0][0] + v, S[0][1] + u),((s.addstr(H // 2, W // 2 - 4, "GAME OVER"),s.refresh(),c.napms(2000),)if (h in S or h[0] in [0, H - 1] or h[1] in [0, W - 1])else (S.insert(0, h),(F := (r(1, H - 2), r(1, W - 2)) if h == F else F),S.pop() if h != F else None,s.clear(),s.border(),s.addstr(0, 1, str(len(S) - 3)),[s.addch(*p, 35) for p in S],s.addch(*F, 42),s.refresh(),)),)for _ in iter(int, 1)],))

this XD

1 line

[scenic olive]

PEP 8's biggest enemy

[junior lake]

tbh i was just having fun with doing it in the #esoteric-python way

[scenic olive]

i mean i be writting like this too sometimes

[junior lake]

(c := __import__("curses")).wrapper(
    lambda s: (
        r := __import__("random").randint,
        c.curs_set(0),
        s.timeout(100),
        t := s.getmaxyx(),
        h := t[0],
        w := t[1],
        S := [(h // 2, w // 2)] * 3,
        y := 0,
        x := -1,
        f := (r(1, h - 2), r(1, w - 2)),
        [
            (
                d := {258: (1, 0), 259: (-1, 0), 260: (0, -1), 261: (0, 1)}.get(
                    s.getch(), (y, x)
                ),
                d := d if d != (-y, -x) else (y, x),
                y := d[0],
                x := d[1],
                p := (S[0][0] + y, S[0][1] + x),
                (
                    (
                        s.addstr(h // 2, w // 2 - 4, "GAME OVER"),
                        s.refresh(),
                        c.napms(2000),
                    )
                    if p in S or p[0] in [0, h - 1] or p[1] in [0, w - 1]
                    else (
                        S.insert(0, p),
                        f := (r(1, h - 2), r(1, w - 2)) if p == f else f,
                        S.pop() if p != f else None,
                        s.clear(),
                        s.border(),
                        s.addstr(0, 1, str(len(S) - 3)),
                        [s.addch(*q, 35) for q in S],
                        s.addch(*f, 42),
                        s.refresh(),
                    )
                ),
            )
            for _ in iter(int, 1)
        ],
    )
)
```i think pep 8 made it worse 😸

[scenic olive]

def __init__(self, operation, file_paths, password, custom_ext=None, output_dir=None, new_name_type=None, chunk_size=CHUNK_SIZE, kdf_iterations=1000000, secure_clear=False, add_recovery_data=False, compression_level="none", archive_mode=False, use_argon2=False, argon2_time_cost=ARGON2_TIME_COST, argon2_memory_cost=ARGON2_MEMORY_COST, argon2_parallelism=ARGON2_PARALLELISM, aead_algorithm="aes-gcm", pbkdf2_hash="sha256", usb_key_path=None, archive_name=None, compression_detection_mode="legacy", entropy_threshold=7.5, parent=None):

see i ain't any better

at times

[junior lake]

used to be like this untill i learned to use datatypes and typedDict

[scenic olive]

this some older code i had

had to dig up some old ass commits icl to find this

[junior lake]

tbh this is how my internschip partner codes atm

and i hate it

T^T

[scenic olive]

i dunno how i managed to do these one liners

[junior lake]

tomorrow imma do some rebase to make it more understandable without losing functionality

[scenic olive]

i mean i still do them at times

but my GOD

horrific to look at

[junior lake]

fr fr

well if it can make you laugh 2 days ago i had something like

def knowledge_distillation(
  student, teacher, alpha_mode, alpha_val, alpha_start, alpha_stop, weight_decay, lr, patience, save_path, name, onnx_shape, dummy_input, ...
):

and some more

[scenic olive]

this prob adds up fast

[junior lake]

jup hahhahah

[scenic olive]

same for my __init__

till i kinda had to force myself to write cleaner looking code

[junior lake]

welp in the rebase i made it to

def kd(student, teacher, params): ...

[junior lake]

where params is a dataclass with defaults

[scenic olive]

self.detection_mode_combo.setToolTip("Detection mode\n\nWe use the detection mode to check for already compressed\nfiles with PyKryptor. Each one written in C has it's own\nlittle quirks...\n\nLegacy - only checks for certain file extensions and skips\nthose when compressing.\n\nMagic bytes - we use said signatures; as used;\nto check if the file has compressed data or markings too.\n\nEntropy heuristic - samples around 8KB of a non-determined file to see if\nthe compression ratio is worth, or not.\n\nMagic bytes + Entropy - combines 2nd and 3rd methods into one, most accurate.\n\nNone - disables skipping entirely; always attempts compression.")

this my longest one-liner

that i got

and i meannnn

it's not THAT bad to look at...

[junior lake]

self.detection_mode_combo.setToolTip(
  "\n".join([
        "Detection mode\n",
        "We use the detection mode to check for already compressed",
        "files with PyKryptor. Each one written in C has it's own",
        "little quirks...\n",
        "Legacy - only checks for certain file extensions and skips",
        "those when compressing.\n",
        "Magic bytes - we use said signatures; as used;",
        "to check if the file has compressed data or markings too.\n",
        "Entropy heuristic - samples around 8KB of a non-determined file to see if",
        "the compression ratio is worth, or not.\n",
        "Magic bytes + Entropy - combines 2nd and 3rd methods into one, most accurate.\n",
        "None - disables skipping entirely; always attempts compression.",
    ])
)

this could be more readable

[scenic olive]

yeah it is

but i mean

prob never gonna change that tooltip anyways

so who knows

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[junior lake]

btw maybe lets go to OT or add eachother cause we are cluttering the game dev channel

T^T

[scenic olive]

oh yeah true

[lusty pine]

Ohhh, very cool

[sharp musk]

Hey what types of games we can dev using python?????

[normal silo]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2824730/Yawnoc/

Steam

Yawnoc

EMBRACE CHAOS
The forest (filled with suspicious quantities of ammunition) has been invaded by cellular automata! Use various weapons, abilities, and upgrades to purge the machines in the forest before the machines take over.

The enemy machines in Yawnoc are living on the rules of Conway's Game of Life and other cellular automata. Will you…

Price

$4.99

[sharp musk]

Okay what it's fully developed in python?? Like I am new soooo

[normal silo]

I believe so.

[sharp musk]

Hey, I am intermediate in python, so can u guy give any tips??? To learn from were and how to progress fast and build real stuffs

[shut tulip]

!res

[frank field]

Resources

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[sharp musk]

?

[shut tulip]

Read the bot message

[sharp musk]

Worst

[shut tulip]

I triggered a command so the bot drops the link to our resources, as you asked for from where to learn, idk why you reacts like this

[cerulean nimbus]

Its a resource page where you can learn from it has books and docs

[raven kernel]

be nicer to people who help you

@frank field bot's embedded messages carries useful information, learning how to navigate it is an important first step

[sharp musk]

Oooh man, it not for people hmm, just after I see many of course I tell,, read carefully

[bleak ginkgo]

quick tip for people who use snippets, do this
“```python
print(“Hello, World!”)

“””
After the first ``` write python ```python
“””

bruh it doesn’t work

`python

[royal pumice]

cant we make games in unreal engine using python?

or unity

[normal silo]

Technically yes, you can add whatever you want to Unreal, but it does not come with Python.

Nor does Unity.

[royal pumice]

wym it does not come with python?

[royal pumice]

do u study cyber security?

[normal silo]

You can technically shove Python into pretty much anything. But Unreal and Unity do not feature Python scripting.

That would be a modified form.

[royal pumice]

ohh so c++ right

[normal silo]

It would be unusual to use Python with either of those engines.

The intended languages are Blueprints and C# respectively.

Although Unreal also now has Verse but IDK if it's ready yet.

[royal pumice]

what games did u mmake?

have mu made any games?

[umbral sorrel]

Hi I am making a pygame-ce game engine ( more like rendering engine) and I need some people to test it

On py pypi.org it’s called skyport-engine

[uneven bridge]

Doesnt Unreal have C++?

[normal silo]

Yes, but it's not the main language intended to be used for gameplay really.

C++ is fast, but it's also pretty difficult to work with unless the user learns a lot about it. It's also slow in terms of iteration speed, due to long compile times.

So while core systems are written in it, the game itself, in a sense, would be mostly in Blueprints.

Pretty much all game engines themselves are written in C++, due to often being the best option for various reasons. There are other viable options now though.

This means that technically you could just use only C++ if you wanted to for most of them (in a very direct way, no bindings).

What language you can use with a game engine is not really a fundamental limitation. It's about what the engine developers intended you to use, and also whether whatever language you choose to use actually makes sense for game development. For example if you want to make your game with Unreal engine and lolcode, you could do that. Whether that will be productive is another matter.

[uneven bridge]

Oh damn

[uneven bridge]

I searched on google, and I didnt mean visual scripting

I meant actual scripting

[cerulean nimbus]

I would say based on a quick scroll maybe run your docs through a language checker cause there are a handfull amount of miss spelled words

So far looks decent but maybe minimize your project description

It feels more like a doc instead of a quick overview on what it has to offer

(Btw this is what i find so dont fully listen to it just my feedback)

[cerulean nimbus]

Handy i do it myself with public projects cause my english sucks

[brave swan]

can someone tell me the most popular ways to make gui games and menus. i want to build sprite animations for game testing

[vagrant saddle]

which game/graphics library will you use ?

[brave swan]

raylib and im not sure what library ill use. i use python currently but i want pure c if possible

[vagrant saddle]

i believe raylib-python-cffi has bindings for raygui, though i did not test them myself

there's a sample here https://github.com/electronstudio/raylib-python-cffi/blob/master/examples/raygui/style_selector.py and maybe it works on web too

[brave swan]

i been using raylib for a bit with python but was hopeing to not have to use python to increase performance and speed of games and reduce system resources

[vagrant saddle]

maybe but pure C for making gui is probably a footgun or time wasted that could be redirected to game polishing

[brave swan]

much appreciated

[hard mulch]

Hii everyone I'm new here

[brave swan]

i been polishing my game for months with python and its amazing to work with. maybe its not technically feasible for what im doing to have it all in c++. i made 1 raylib gui but was struggling with it. maybe ill have better luck with the link u sent

[hard mulch]

I want to impress my crush plz guide me

[vagrant saddle]

nb you can do very clean and reactive in-game gui with python eg, not raylib bindings but panda3d also python https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3r4JrTHZAA so i would not risk to premature optimize by going C++ ( also raylib is C not C++, Panda3D is C++ )

[brave swan]

good to know, thank you. i was wondering if i made a game , could i market it somehow if its made in python and raylib after its finished?

[vagrant saddle]

yes you can

[brave swan]

dang that panda gui looks smooth as butter, how cool!

[vagrant saddle]

there's one even smoother but it requires gpu shaders

[brave swan]

how to market without giving away the source code?

[vagrant saddle]

mypyc / nuitka etc ... all kind of python compilers around

[brave swan]

i made a nice menu a few month back im going to implement but panda might be of some help in that regard.

[brave swan]

you are always a wealth of knowledge

[junior lake]

hey have you tried the raylib bindings yet?

[hard mulch]

Guyzz how can I impress my crush

[vagrant saddle]

raylib/pyray seems to work well on native but web version may have some corner issues i'll need time to look into it

[lusty pine]

Would anyone be interested to see code golfed Tetris?

[junior lake]

close enough

[junior lake]

hahhaha sure

[junior lake]

point of the thing is to send out waves from the camera outwards on moving (at the moment its continuous )

[lusty pine]

https://pastebin.com/AXsv3mL6

fully featured tetris

[junior lake]

lets see if its bug free :b

[lusty pine]

I hope so!! lol

[junior lake]

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "C:\game-yet-to-be-named\test.py", line 28, in <module>
    __import__('curses').wrapper(g)
  File "C:\Program Files\Python310\lib\curses\__init__.py", line 94, in wrapper
    return func(stdscr, *args, **kwds)
  File "C:\game-yet-to-be-named\test.py", line 25, in g
    [s.addch(r+1,BX+c+1,ord('#')if B[r][c]else ord('.'))for r in range(H)for c in range(W)]
  File "C:\game-yet-to-be-named\test.py", line 25, in <listcomp>
    [s.addch(r+1,BX+c+1,ord('#')if B[r][c]else ord('.'))for r in range(H)for c in range(W)]
_curses.error: addch() returned ERR

[lusty pine]

are you on windows?

[junior lake]

yes

[lusty pine]

okie dokie give me a few mins

@junior lake I have updated the Pastebin, try it now! It should work

you may also want to make your terminal window taller

[junior lake]

sorry working on my 3d game atm

[lusty pine]

take your time :)

[tired reef]

How can I go through a list of colors empire game because it won't let me iterate within a list I do have an idea of what I could do but how exactly like it

[junior lake]

fluff

that aint what i wanted

[junior lake]

could you repeat yourself and maybe give more info

im confused

[tired reef]

For a python list because I'm trying to make something that looks like a haze effect and python won't let me iterate through tuples within a list so my my best idea was to do RGB and have them what's in a each piece within a list but I don't exactly like that like idea

[junior lake]

OMG its pretty

[junior lake]

just a

for t in l:
  for i in t:
```doesnt work ??

[junior lake]

time to implement it in main

hehehhe

[tired reef]

Can you just put x y and z in the same for loop instead of nesting a loop within a loop?

[junior lake]

maybe convert it to a numpy array i think they handle that well

[shut tulip]

Show us your actual code and what you expect to have, it is very enclear what you struggle with

[lunar venture]

You can, you "just" get different results

[round obsidian]

My first attempt at a FPS in Python

[junior lake]

ursina?

[round obsidian]

Nope, Pyglet

[junior lake]

ooh nice i like the way pyglet works

i thought it was ursina first cause most of the time when i see people do ursina to start it always has the same grey ish layout

how big of an file can i send here

[round obsidian]

Don't know

[junior lake]

(ps i know its in cpp rn im just using cpp to test out shaders this is one i made but not what i use )

[round obsidian]

Yeah, shaders are my next thing to learn

I already implemented some basic spatial hashing collision detection

[junior lake]

the latest version

shader is complete (the ring delay is software wise cause i coded it bad)

[round obsidian]

Neeeeat

[junior lake]

took me 2 hours

😭

[round obsidian]

Shaders are a step beyond

[cerulean nimbus]

Tbh took an hour of debugging cause of a variable missing a capital letter

[bitter stream]

Has anyone looked into Cave?

[uneven bridge]

you might want to change the color of the shots

[cerulean nimbus]

For now they are good for debuggen wel seperate of the other colors

[uneven bridge]

yeah but thats not really my point...

[cerulean nimbus]

Then what is the point you are trying to make im confused

[uneven bridge]

its something that would maybe get me banned if I mention it

not really sure tho

but there is a big possibility

[cerulean nimbus]

....

Then maybe dont mention it

Plus i think you just need to think more maturely... (not meant rude)

[round obsidian]

Blastathon

[neon canopy]

panda3d?

[round obsidian]

Nope, Pyglet

[tired reef]

What would you say would be the scariest monster in an RPG kind of sandbox

[short tapir]

💔

[lusty pine]

Is it broken?

I'm working on fixes for windows atm

This one should hopefully be cross platform and mostly bug free

https://pastebin.com/i0cQNb2n

[short tapir]

.bm

Sick

[dawn quiver]

be more specific

about the type of game

then i will provide input

your theme in game should help with the elements to make your "monster" scarier

if its just like classic rpg like no gimmicks, i recommend just honestly going for that one big guy with wings and one eye or something

lol, that always works for me hahaha

[tired reef]

Why mean is wooden a monster with an AI for a brain be scary because if it's a 2d game within us means and then they are it has multiple regions how to hunt has a pack you have to deal with an entire pack of monsters

[round obsidian]

Fun discovery: that 3D shmup I made in Python for an experiment is spending vastly more time in the draw call portion of the program (the GPU) than the actual game logic. Probably due to Pyglet not yet supporting instanced rendering.

[strange bone]

if you ever upload that code somewhere I would appreciate a link

[round obsidian]

oh yeah! I actually do plan to post this soon

I understand Pyglet may be adding instanced rendering in the next revision, so I plan to exploit that, but if I can figure out how to get it working on my own I may do that as an example

[round obsidian]

https://github.com/syegulalp/shmup

Code's messy but slowly getting cleaned up as I go along.

[lusty pine]

ayyyyy

I just made a shmup too!

I made a fully functional Shoot'em Up, with two enemy types, procedurally generated levels, and parallax star background in seven lines of code

https://pastebin.com/x32i4Dcs

[rotund wyvern]

Very esoteric

[lusty pine]

I posted my code golfed tetris in another programming server, and someone hits me back with "It's 225 with formatting technically"

-_-

[round obsidian]

we all know LoC is a terrible metric

[lusty pine]

Why? It's still a challenge. As long as you don't use exec. I've optimized for lines with no semicolons

[round obsidian]

twas a joke

[lusty pine]

OH

lmao sorry I am

a lil dense

[lusty pine]

Also I love your pfp

I just rewatched that show last month with my wife for the first time in 25 years

during the winter storm

[lusty pine]

I made a couple of websites!

For playing my code golfs!

Tetris in 25 lines:
https://tetratennisgolf.fly.dev/

Shmup in 7 lines:
https://shmupgolf.fly.dev/

[lusty pine]

Has the source code on the page

[cerulean nimbus]

Why not one website having them all in one spot easier to maintain

[lusty pine]

well, the honest answer is, that I didn't think of that

[cerulean nimbus]

🤣 can happen

[round obsidian]

Latest build of the shoot-em-up

Eventually I plan to make this into something I can whip out and point to as an example of how Python is not too slow for 3D games :D

[hearty tapir]

love it

[round obsidian]

Things like complex physics involving objects with big meshes, etc. are best pushed to the GPU anyway, but there's a lot you can do before you get to that stage to make things interesting.

[royal oar]

?!

[ripe valve]

that is fire, keep it up🔥

[round obsidian]

ty! It's on GitHub, too

https://github.com/syegulalp/shmup

[ripe valve]

nice

[ripe lake]

i dont know if this is the right place to put this but im just gonna put this here
i need help setting up a emulation frontend for a raspberry pi ds project (so natively runs on debian)
all i need is it to be able to boot a .nds file in melonds and for it to display coverart on the top sceeen, games on the bottom screen, and ill design the backgrounds myself
also i will be designing my own controller so that will need to be coded 2
and the screeens are both 480x320 (i believe)
essentially i just need someone to tell me what files i need where in the project, and what components i need (i.e plugins, code editors (i use kate rn) and stuff like that.
i also may need some help with tthe code as i am still learning python
thanks for reading all of this.

(if its not obvious melon ds is an emulator)

(and the coverart is just a png for each game)

[onyx sparrow]

Hey everyone o/
I am not sure if this fits in the channel but I didn't find any other channel that suits my request 🙂
I want to get more practice in Object Oriented Programming and for this I wanted to program the card game scoundrel (for reference here are the rules (http://stfj.net/art/2011/Scoundrel.pdf)

Before continuing with the game logic and implementing PyGame, I'd appreciate if someone could review my code so far, tell me what I'm doing wrong or could do better.
https://pastebin.com/sn26RmgM

Thanks in advance for taking the time 🙂

[harsh panther]

Haha that's funny I just coded scoundrel a few days ago. Not OO by a long shot, in my case. Though I do use a namedtuple which means technically there is a subclass definition in my module

I will have a look at your code ASAP

[harsh panther]

your player.attack() method looks off or I'm not understanding something.

    def attack(self, monster):
        armed = input("weapon or fists?: ")
        if armed == weapon and self.weapon.can_attack(monster):
            ...

how are you getting a weapon instance from input()? did you mean string literal 'weapon'?

furthermore, if the weapon is stronger than the monster, why are you damaging the player?

        if armed == weapon and self.weapon.can_attack(monster):
            self.weapon.register_attack(monster)
            self.health -= abs(weapon.value - monster.value)
        else:
            self.health -= abs(weapon.value - monster.value)

i think what you mean is self.health -= max(monster.value - weapon.value, 0)

and in the case there is no weapon used (either by choice or because there is no (usable) weapon), just self.health -= monster.value

also, before you use self.weapon you have to check if it's not None

quick rewrite

    def attack(self, monster):
        armed = input("weapon or fists?: ")
        if armed == 'weapon' and self.weapon and self.weapon.can_attack(monster):
            self.weapon.register_attack(monster)
            self.health -= max(monster.value - weapon.value, 0)
        else:
            self.health -= monster.value

also, it's debatable if the rules allow your health to go negative. In my version I've chosen to allow health to go below zero for the purpose of scoring a lost game (health minus remaining monster values)

[harsh panther]

Card.__repr__ return value f-string is missing an f and self.color does not exist.

[stuck crow]

anyone know how to get a sprite? so i can put a character

[dense ridge]

what do you mean? how to get artwork for a sprite?

[stuck crow]

Yeah I wanna make a 2d platformer but idk how to put the character into the game like the bird for flappy bird

[dense ridge]

well that depends on the game engine you are using (if you are using one).

if you look at the pinned posts on this channel there are some tutorials. Sprits is usually like the 2nd thing you learn after setting up a window/game loop.

[stuck crow]

Ok

I'm using vscode

So hmm

Is it the pygame tutorial series?

[dense ridge]

No I mean are you using pygame, or godot, or python arcade for example.

[stuck crow]

Pygame I'm pretty sure

[dense ridge]

Yes, thats the tutorial. DafluffyPotato is a master with pygame and has been making games for many years.

His tutorials are great.

[stuck crow]

I don't know much about python

[dense ridge]

same. I'm just learning too. Just stick with it and it gets easier.

I'm also tinkering with pygame. That's why i happen to be looking at the chat lol.

[stuck crow]

Nice

[dense ridge]

i can make 2 sprites and setup collision rectangles around them. Thats as far as i got 🙂

[stuck crow]

I really only can remember like one thing from learning python last week 😭

[dense ridge]

programming is like a muscle. you gotta use it constantly. Its not about memorizing syntax but the concepts.

good luck on the game. progress is progress.

[stuck crow]

Thx u too

[onyx sparrow]

Haha what a coincidence 😄
Thank you for your input and taking your time looking at my code 🙂

Regarding the input() for the weapon -> This is just a placeholder, as i want to let pygame create 2 buttons where you can choose between armed and unarmed but as I am not that familar with pygame right now I don't know how pygame will return those values so i just took it as plain text at this point 🙂

Also I'm concerned if my method - usage is right like I defined the method can_attack inside the weapon class but using self.weapon from the player class and using the method on self.weapon kinda feels wrong but I actually think it is right 😅

[harsh panther]

Gotcha regarding the placeholder.

I think your structure is fine. can_attack is a property (not in the technical sense) of a weapon and requires information about a monster, so it's normal that it's a method on the weapon instance

When you start implementing more of the game logic you might discover that you need a few adjustments to the structure but for now it looks good. I must say I'm not an OO wizard so I might be overlooking something

What data structure are you planning to use for the 'rooms' of the dungeon? I used a library for the cards and deck (pydealer) but now that I saw your implementation I think my approach is overkill

[onyx sparrow]

I am not sure about the rooms right now I am stuck between making them a class on it's own or letting the game logic handle creating rooms, but as I am typing this the class approach seems way more convenient as i can define what can happen with a room in it's class.

Haven't heard about pydealer yet, but I am still a freshman when it comes to programming so I don't know maybe your approach is better ? 🙂

[harsh panther]

another thing I thought of: are you going to treat card values as the numbers 2 through 14 and let the UI translate that to cards 2 through Ace? because i had to do a little bit of ugly math to handle that. pydealer supports jokers so the values are mapped 0 (joker), 1 (card 2), etc through 13 (card Ace). pydealer basically returns cards as a tuple ("Diamonds", "Jack") and provides a dict to map "Jack" to 10. I had to add 1 to the result.

all in all, I think pydealer is not necessary, your Card and Deck classes already take care of a lot of the functionality you'll need

[round obsidian]

I'm looking deeper into the possibility of doing something a little more substantive over time with that FPS game. I want to make the core of it into a simple library for building one's own games like that, and then use that to build something formally releaseable. One frustrating temptation I have is that I could very easily use genAI tooling (running locally) to generate some of the very specific assets I have in mind, at least as placeholders. But I can always use free itch.io stuff or just scrawl something in the meantime, too.

The game mechanics I'm also mulling: One of the things I like in Robotron: 2084 is how you have to balance survival and greed. The more humans you pick up without getting killed, the bigger a reward you rack up. I'm thinking of similar mechanisms here: e.g., you have unlimited ammo, BUT every time you fire AT ALL your bonus for rescuing bystanders gets cleared. So the more people you can rescue without shooting, the bigger the payoff.

[burnt sail]

Self-promotion of libraries isn’t allowed here, right?

I’ve built a library that makes it easier to add multiplayer to games. It works with basically any framework that has a main game loop. I thought it might be useful to someone here

[round obsidian]

#1468524576479641744 is a great place for that

[burnt sail]

Great, thanks

[round obsidian]

Now adding textures to the FPS, although Pyglet 3.0 apparently has far better support for textures at scale so I'm going to try that soon.

[amber crystal]

First you need to define your texture

texture = pygame.image.load("path/to/image")

Then you need to blit your texture

scr.blit(texture, (0, 0)) #> arg, texture, rect style

[cerulean nimbus]

Maybe take a look at #1468524576479641744

[onyx sparrow]

That is exactly how i wanted to approach it, translate the numbers 2 - 14 into the values. As there is only 4 numbers I actually have to translate I think it's not going to be much of work and I want to use as few libraries as possible so I'll probably narrow it down to pygame 🙂

[boreal canopy]

i learned how to program an aurdiuno

so far

WW

int tempPin = A0;
int ledPin = 13;
float voltage, tempC;

void setup() {
Serial.begin(9600);
pinMode(ledPin, OUTPUT);
}

void loop() {
voltage = analogRead(tempPin) * (5.0 / 1023.0);
tempC = (voltage - 0.5) * 100.0;
Serial.println(tempC);
if(tempC > 99){
digitalWrite(ledPin, HIGH);
} else {
digitalWrite(ledPin, LOW);
}
delay(1000);
}

measures temprature

if its higher then 99c then the auriuno turns on a led

signaling its bad

[cerulean nimbus]

As security i think you should put your tempPin as input

Been a while i used an arduino tho

Also check out #microcontrollers instead might be more helpfull then game dev channel :)

[shut tulip]

This is neither python nor game dev

[lusty pine]

yo, would anyone be interested in seeing a recreation of conway's game of life? I created a procedural pattern generator that uses the base85 encoded pattern library to procedurally generate new patterns

[round obsidian]

This was the basis for a video game I also made!

(Conway's Life as an 8-way shooter)

[lusty pine]

ohhh very cool

do tell more

[round obsidian]

https://xtaloid.itch.io/xtaloid

[lusty pine]

oh now THIS is cool

[round obsidian]

Pure Python save for a small bit of Cython code for the CGOL computations

[lusty pine]

wild concept

i use a subprocess of pypy3 to accelerate procedural pattern generation 😄

otherwise pure python

[round obsidian]

I got a crash course in Cython to speed things up, and it was worth it

I'm now working on 3D

#game-development message

[lusty pine]

3D is a huge hurdle for me, i have a hard time expanding into the extra dimensions in multiple ways

[round obsidian]

I looked at some existing examples and just began incrementally customizing them to fit my needs.

[lusty pine]

i figure maybe i could do a little research, i'm just disappointed by my previous attempts at 3D

true 3D at least

and not pseudo3D raycasting stuff

here's my site for the simulation, for those interested:
https://lifegolf.fly.dev/

[round obsidian]

Yeah, I'm using Pyglet (with a 3.0 on the way) to do genuine OpenGL 3D

[lusty pine]

now see that's awesome. i'm pretty happy with just sticking with 2D for now, but there is that longing to see something actualized into 3D

[round obsidian]

Yeah, my ambition is to create a mini toolkit for creating FPS games in Python. Nothing too advanced, just enough for people to get the idea.

[lusty pine]

I think that will be a great addition to the community! I myself would be interested in taking a look at it

[round obsidian]

Right now I do have spatial hashing for 3D collision detection, so it's pretty snappy

I'm going to experiment with using an octree, so that you could have objects of any shape (not just whatever fits comfortably into a cell of some defined size), but it might be fun to use a fixed sized cell and provide LEGO-like building blocks for your scenes

(a la Minecraft)

you'd have a bunch of common predefined shapes, each with its own descriptor for how to detect a point within it. A sphere is super simple, a cube a little more complex; I haven't done a prism or pyramid yet. But you'd use that to do collision detection.

You'

[lusty pine]

I'd be interested in doing a voxel particle simulator with particles that interact with one another, kinda like the sand game from the 90s/early 2000s

[lusty pine]

A pattern I procedurally generated, probably my favorite and quite rare in that it is a loop
most patterns it generates devolve into entropy but this one symmetrically loops

[random prism]

@lusty pine OH nice, is that Conway's game of life?

I remember reading something like this, https://nicholas.carlini.com/writing/2021/unlimited-register-machine-game-of-life.html crazy how people can do this with enough dedication.

[round obsidian]

Adding textures and non-AABB collisions

My idea is to have a toolkit where you have a bunch of geometric primitives (sphere, box, prism, pyramid, etc.) all with highly optimized collision tests, and you can use those to build your FPS. I'm going to set it aside for a little bit while the Pyglet folks work on Pyglet 3, though

[raven spear]

<@&831776746206265384>

I have a bug

[coarse hill]

Hi, don't ping mods for problems with your code please, only when a moderator is quickly needed.

[raven spear]

Hi, then who I ping or what to say I have a bug

[coarse hill]

What kind of bug? A bug in your code? You ping noone. You can create a thread in #1035199133436354600 .

[humble glacier]

Oh cool isnt pyglet a character renderer? Like it simulates a terminal?

and you can use pygame drawing functions on top of it?

[rotund wyvern]

Am I cooking or am i cooked

[humble glacier]

Very cool

I am making a first person dungeon crawler that renders in the terminal

[round obsidian]

No, it's a full library for graphics, sound, and windowing

[humble glacier]

I remember people using it for roguelikes.

[round obsidian]

Sure, it can be used for that

[zinc pike]

I would build a roguelike if I was interested or good at python

[long plover]

guys how do i make this square look more like a VAB while still keeping the look?

Im not that good at pixel so thats why im doing it all in code

[tranquil girder]

VAB?

[hearty quartz]

put ridges

[long plover]

Vehical Assembly Building for rockets

[halcyon cipher]

Guys who good at making pygame

[slow copper]

Did you not read what i told you before?

#python-discussion message

just ask your question mate

[halcyon cipher]

icl bro

Hop off my shi bro

I wasnt talkin to u

Doin backflips on my thing

[slow copper]

im jus tryna save you time

I could maybe even answer your question

but not many people would consider themselves an "expert", not even some "expert" themselves

[halcyon cipher]

never said expert bro

[slow copper]

or good

[halcyon cipher]

someone that can make a small py game

[slow copper]

or just ask your question

[halcyon cipher]

by using defRect and defOvals

[halcyon cipher]

cant upload all those questions here

[slow copper]

why?

are you doing some assignment or something?

[halcyon cipher]

not an assignment

im tryna build something for a business

im 25 bro😂

[slow copper]

or if you wanna paste some code you can use the paste bin

!paste

[frank field]

Pasting large amounts of code

So that everyone can easily read your code, you can paste it in this website:
https://paste.pythondiscord.com/

After pasting your code, save it by clicking the Paste! button in the bottom left, or by pressing CTRL + S. After doing that, you will be navigated to the new paste's page. Copy the URL and post it here so others can see it.

[slow copper]

okay.. but you can still ask your questions here...

[halcyon cipher]

i will forsure

[jovial wyvern]

OOPL

[cerulean nimbus]

You have an NDA?

[round obsidian]

I got most of the important stuff running again last night with instancing. The rendering time for each frame is now 1/100th (!!) of what it used to be.
And apparently even that is a misleading number: my statistics for each frame render are being thrown off by the vsync sleep.
So it's actually even lower than that.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/909823738239926343/1481648417250873364/image.png?ex=69b4141e&is=69b2c29e&hm=afbe55210e9c6b7f82175ce9de230ad4b6d6539261ea0541045a6b6898a100bc&

[fierce wraith]

Nice. What lib do you use?

[round obsidian]

Pyglet 3.0 (dev version)

[humble glacier]

Anyone interested in writing a rasterizer with me?

[tired summit]

Wow

[round obsidian]

and that's just the bare bones start, I haven't really done anything super sophisticated yet. Just basic shapes and camera movement

[tired summit]

This can be used to do so many cool things

[round obsidian]

absolutly

[tired summit]

I find this amusing that you can do this with solely "python"

Like I know the lib might use other languages but the code that you write is only in python

[round obsidian]

it's Python plus a library, Pyglet, which itself is pure Python too

shader language is absolutely its own thing, though

[tired summit]

Woah

[round obsidian]

that library is wild - it works cross platform, has no external dependencies, and now will support Vulkan as well as OpenGL

[tired summit]

Damn, when I get better I'll try it.

[round obsidian]

yeah, they are on the cusp of releasing a 3.0 update, which I'm using in its prerelease form for this project.

[worn barn]

@round obsidian i heard your doing a game engine

im also doing one

[round obsidian]

I'm just learning the ropes of how to do 3D generally. I'm not trying to create a product.

[worn barn]

oh

@tired summit erm

[round obsidian]

If it produces something other people can make use of, great.

[tired summit]

uhh

[worn barn]

Maybe u can try mine when its out

but its javascript though

[tired summit]

I mean like y

[worn barn]

not python

[round obsidian]

I'm not familiar with JS except through what little I use it for front-end work, unfortunately

[tired summit]

Their project is completely python

[worn barn]

il make a custom lang like gdscript i guess 🥀

[tired summit]

So, uhh you can work together maybe

[worn barn]

later

[cold pelican]

Made a algorithm, in python and roblox.

I can copy any minecraft world or any map of any size even 10-100million blocks into roblox with 0 lag.

[junior crypt]

you're cooking lmao

[cold pelican]

So with just 1 more week of work. I can literally add any minecraft map and any build of any size in roblox with no lag. And already made the mining system.

As roblox studio starts lagging with even 30-40k blocks so it is a big deal that i can add 10million+ blocks

[humble glacier]

What bout creative features

[cold pelican]

what kind of creative features? like flying?

[humble glacier]

Block Pallete, Fyling, Hot Keys, Fill, Line, Elipse, Cube, Sphere, Hemisphere, Copy, Paste, Union, Intersection.

Saving Voxel Models to seperate files

[cold pelican]

you dont need that kind of stuff in roblox, it will be survival for now.

[humble glacier]

Oh I just heard minecraft and wanted building features

[cold pelican]

i have already planned and added tens of optimization which i invented

[cold pelican]

i am planning to make this game with perfect minecraft map, making mining, and pvp works.

And then adding nukes like unstable smp in it. and making tnt work.

as we all know that people love blowing stuff up

https://tenor.com/view/wemmbu-orbital-strike-cannon-orbital-cannon-nuke-unstable-gif-11945578051483354237

[humble glacier]

I like building and playing dungeons

[cold pelican]

?

[humble glacier]

Minecraft adventure maps

Sort of like metroidvania maps

[cold pelican]

Yeah, i would be able to add any kind of minecraft build or map in my app, even something like this

or this or literally any minecraft map

@humble glacier is this what you mean by adventure maps?

[verbal quiver]

what is this hypixel 2.0??

are you working alone on this?

[cold pelican]

dont know, just downloaded a random image from google

[verbal quiver]

oh nice

i saw that

[cold pelican]

I am working on this thing alone. @verbal quiver mb thiws

[verbal quiver]

that is cool if its zero lag

[cold pelican]

optimizaton planning took like 2 weeks.
i tested a game with 8 million stone blocks and it was 0 lag.

[verbal quiver]

when did you started python ?

[cold pelican]

many many years ago

[verbal quiver]

high school?

[cold pelican]

yeah at the end of the middle school.

so probably 4-5 years

[verbal quiver]

do you know other languages or only python

[verbal quiver]

got so much time to build stuff

[cold pelican]

not much. I did python for 8-9 months. and then quited for 4 years. and then started scripting python+roblox from last 1 year.

so only about 20-21 months of scripting and making games

[verbal quiver]

oohhh

what about 3d modelling or game art stuff

reach me out if you like

[cold pelican]

i actually need a 3d modeler for a different game which my friend is making rn.
i will do the scriting work.

we actually need a modeler/builder

[cold pelican]

any images of the 3d models you made?

or like portfolio?

[cold pelican]

@verbal quiver you there

[ebon crystal]

Saw that there is PyWeek soon and I want to try it, but I have zero experience in a game dev. Only that I know is how to use Unity and Godot.

So a question is: is it possible to learn any of the libraries like Pygame, Pyglet etc. for a week?

[glossy moon]

most of libraries like that are conceptually simple, but you'll have to learn the basics of "from scratch" kind of gamedev: organizing your own event loop, organizing the way you store data, there's no "nodes" or "entities" or other concepts provided by an engine, it's up to you

[ebon crystal]

Okay, thanks!

[glossy moon]

the API of these libraries is roughly "create a window", "check input events", "load an image file", "display an image at the certain coords", "play a sound", and then you make a game 🙂

For quick prototypes I personally quite like raylib, which has an ok looking python bindings: https://electronstudio.github.io/raylib-python-cffi/README.html
But I mostly used it from C and similar languages, not from python

[ebon crystal]

Okay

BTW, if comparing with other engines, is it easier to create a game in Python?

[glossy moon]

Depends on what you are used to. I was occasionally making small games without engines for a long time, so a typical engine like unity just feels overly complex and overwhelming to me

But I imagine it will work the other way around: someone with 10 years of unity experience will probably be lost without the engine they are used to

for gamedev the two major "pain points" of python are certainly speed and distribution

[ebon crystal]

Sounds logical

[ebon crystal]

Ye, I know it

C is compiling and Python is not

[glossy moon]

the performance issue is a bit more complex than "compiling vs interpreting"

CPython is fairly slow compared to many other runtimes, but you can use pypy instead. And for a small mario-like kind of game, even cpython speed is more than enough even on a modest modern hardware (aka you'll be fine on a 15 years old laptop)

the main reason why python is slow is not the bytecode interpretation process, it's the fact that every operation is generic in runtime. To do c = a + b python has to at this point see what is a, find its addition method, and call it (and function calls themselves involve some more dynamic dispatch), and then this procedure has to check the type of b and only then the addition will happen. While something like C knows during compile time that both things are int so it can emit a very specific CPU instruction for adding two numbers specifically

so even if you remove the interpretation process (which is what nuitka does), the naive process of doing a + b in python still involves maybe 50 operations instead of a single operation which a C compiler would emit

dynamic languages like python or js get fast via code specialization: the runtime either statically proves that both things are always ints, or it gathers statistics, that these things are typically ints, and then it emits specialized code for adding two numbers, perhaps with a check that if things didn't happen to be numbers, they will go via a slow generic route

[ebon crystal]

Understood. Thanks for a detailed explanation!

When I said about about a compiling, I mean this, but seems I used wrong terms or it wasn't so obvious :)

[glossy moon]

technically compilation just means "transforming one language to another", and cpython does that, it compiles python to its internal bytecode representation

also languages themselves are not compiled or interpreted, their implementations are. Nothing prohibits you from making a python compiler (nuitka), or a C interpreter (picoc, cling and some others). A lot of early pascal implementations were bytecode interpreters, not unlike (early) java or python. But then some languages benefit more from a compilation process by having more static type information available at compile time

[ebon crystal]

Understood. It's so interesting, but I didn't dive in this topic still and for now all I know is that programming language has a syntax and a compiler uses this syntax to transform source code to binary code that represent commands for a processor

UPD: rephrased a sentence

[glossy moon]

that's a rough idea, yes (except not all compilers compile directly to the CPU code)

Another random bit of gamedev related information: if you are going with pygame, I suggest using its fork pygame-ce, seems to be more actively maintained, works with the latest python version

[ebon crystal]

Ok. Honestly, I don't know which a framework to use, but seems that they're different in a way to build a game, so maybe I'll learn Pygame

UPD: fixed grammar error

[glossy moon]

most of them aren't overly different in how you will use them to make a game. They may differ in features you may or may not care about (like support for shaders and other GPU stuff)

there will be some sort of init code, and then some sort of infinite loop in which you'll handle input events (I guess some of the events would quit the game, so technically the loop isn't so infinite), and then draw something on the screen (and play sounds etc)

after going from pygame to some other library I was like "woah, you can easily rotate images" 🙂

(not sure what it does now, but back then pygame was a fairly thin wrapper over CPU rendered SDL surfaces, and rotating images as you draw them wasn't really feasable because it's a somewhat expensive operation)

[noble hull]

Hi

[ebon crystal]

👋

[ebon crystal]

Hah) Okay, thanks (x3) for the answers! I think here's enough info for me now :)

[noble hull]

Print (‘hello every one’)

[ebon crystal]

!e print("Hi")

[frank field]

:white_check_mark: Your 3.14 eval job has completed with return code 0.

Hi

[glossy moon]

hm, pyweek, game jam, next week you say

maybe I'll try it, didn't participate in gamejams for… 12 years at this point

[ebon crystal]

[glossy moon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFU9X7yC2ts 12 years ago I made this for Ludum Dare which is a 2 days long jam 🙂

[ebon crystal]

Looks like as a mobile time killer

[glossy moon]

yeah, single button control

it was actually very inspired by a PocketPC game I forgot the name of

[ebon crystal]

If add some visual and audio, then it'll be perfect for a mobile even for now (especially, when even a poor optimized game made on Unity can be on a top of stores lol)

[ebon crystal]

What is PocketPC?

I googled and seems it's a mobile (?)

[glossy moon]

It's a name of a PDA/early smartphone platform

pre-iphone, pre-android stuff

[ebon crystal]

I was close

omg it's a relic

[glossy moon]

Speaking of relics, I also used a Palm OS device when I was a kid 🙂

[ebon crystal]

Palm OS??

Can I ask you something? How old are you?

[glossy moon]

late 90s early 00s PDA stuff

I am 32

[ebon crystal]

It now explains why are you know this things :) BTW, where are you from? Seems that you're from Russian or Ukraine (?)

[glossy moon]

from Russia, yeah

[ebon crystal]

I'm from Ukraine

[glossy moon]

hope you are safe

[ebon crystal]

And I'm 18 years old. Forgot to say :)

[ebon crystal]

All is good. Don't worry

Let's go to the off-topic channel #ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

[limber veldt]

@jade owl Still around? I've made a short card demo with cards as sprites (in a sprite group) and only a couple of behaviors https://paste.pythondiscord.com/KJTQ Clicking any card just flips it over

Just looks like so

Ideally, I think a game of cards (any kind) should use a Deck() class as a container for all the card sprites with methods like shuffle() and deal() or whatever else a deck of cards usually does

[jade owl]

My game logic is all handled in a model file actually

[limber veldt]

Yeah, I saw that in your code. I haven't used such a model before so know nothing of that part

[jade owl]

Basically the model is all the base logic is in the model, controller handles user input, and the view is the frontend display. I plan to make the controller as part of the view first then move it into its own file

[worthy verge]

just started learning python a few days ago, pretty proud of this little start to a rouge like i'm working on! I know it's probably pretty janky but its my first time at a big project. If you have any feedback please share!

[novel salmon]

it looks great!

[worthy verge]

Thanks dude:)

[novel salmon]

but i wanna say, for the food_chest, you can use player["hunger"] = min(max(player["hunger"], 0), 100)

[worthy verge]

Ty I’ll go change that now then!

[novel salmon]

i've been working on this

[bleak ginkgo]

POV: What game do you play?
You: Terminal

[bleak ginkgo]

you should be proud! When I started python I was messing around with variables and print functions and a little bit of turtle

now I work with ursina (very good for 3D)

[worthy verge]

That’s crazy all in the console is insane

[worthy verge]

Thank you !

[lusty pine]

I made an algorithm that can procedurally generate music in the Style of the NES or the GBA

it LOOPS too!

[dense elbow]

@lusty pine bro do you have more musics like this. I need for bg in video presentation of my projects

[raven kernel]

yo that's so fire

[lusty pine]

I am working on a website for people to generate their own midis and wavs! :)

[bleak ginkgo]

That’s great!!

[cerulean nimbus]

Crazyyyyyyy

[novel salmon]

GL!

[worthy verge]

I have a little question. If i code my entire game to just be played in the console by typing inputs, would it be hard to give it 2d graphics in the future? I don't even know how to make a game in python with 2d graphics but would it be hard?

[opal thorn]

it really depends how smartly you code it. If the "graphics" logic is deeply entwined with the "gameplay" logic, then it will be difficult

[lusty pine]

Been adding new algorithms. We now have styles for NES, SNES, and GBA, currently working on generating PS1 style midis. Starting on the website this Friday. Here's sample NES style and bonus GBA style song. Still working on refining the SNES algorithms. town_snowy_10.wav is NES style, and boss_foreboding_03.wav is GBA style

SNES style example:

[worthy verge]

ok then it shouldn't be too hard thanks

[amber delta]

crazy

[minor valve]

what do you guys use for Game dev?

[cerulean nimbus]

A little bit of everything

Raylib bindings

Opengl glfw pygame pyglet ursina panda3d

And more

[round obsidian]

Pyglet

[slow copper]

kraken-engine

[novel salmon]

raylib

[vagrant saddle]

also harfang3d-python / pyogre / openscenegraph / upbge but for beginners i'd say pygame-ce and Panda3D

there was also py-irlicht once and godot 3 had python bindings unsure for the 4+

[humble glacier]

Anyone want to make a MUD with me?

[zinc pike]

can you make any game using Python? I know a lot of games use C++ but will Python work?

[humble glacier]

@slow copper hey would you want to make a MUD with me?

[vagrant saddle]

idk for any , but here's some 2d/ soft 3d various styles https://itch.io/c/2563651/pygame-wasm . but if doing 3D games then pick an engine that use c++ under the hood like Panda3D

[zinc pike]

I’m learning python right now for a class but I kinda want to learn c++ as well

[slow copper]

Nah sorry, I dont have enough time to work on a group project

[humble glacier]

You too busy jiggling balls

Well if anyone is up for a group project you can dm me.

[minor valve]

ive been using pygame and pygamece for over 2 years now but was just curios what would be the most popular one here

whats MUD?

[lusty pine]

The website for generating your own midis with procedural generation algorithms is now LIVE!!!

https://algorhythms.fly.dev/

[misty raft]

I like the UI 🔥

[lusty pine]

thanks!!

[misty raft]

Ofc

[novel salmon]

what kind?

[novel salmon]

it's BEAUTIFUL

[humble glacier]

Im making a MUD in c

[novel salmon]

what's a MUD?

[humble glacier]

Its sort of an dnd online in the terminal

Mud is short for multi user dungeon

[novel salmon]

ohhhh

well idrk c

[humble glacier]

Well good luck with your programming. I have a friend hopefully he will contribute

[novel salmon]

gl!

[tame vapor]

hey guys help me

[cerulean nimbus]

MUD's are goated

[round obsidian]

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[white dirge]

If you want to share your code/project, see #1468524576479641744 . Otherwise, we don't allow advertising here. Your post has been removed

[austere nova]

Gotcha, sorry about that

[arctic thistle]

Hi there.

[novel salmon]

hello

[verbal quiver]

hello

would you guys use an AI app that gives you weekend missions??

im building an ai app that gives you side quests to complete for anybody who likes adventure and want a break from their boring lives

[viral bane]

wait, cant you just ask chatgpt or any LLM for a side quest? Must it have to be a standalone app?

[cold pelican]

i don't think you should build it, it is actually waste of time.

[arctic thistle]

I'm interested in creating a visual novel, but I don't know any programmers. I was wondering if I could ask where to look or if anyone is interested.

[harsh panther]

Suppose I was building a (solo) digital card game, think Magic The Gathering but wayyyyy smaller (16 cards or so). All cards have common stats like name, color, power, cost, etc with different values. Some cards have permanent effects ("give all blue cards +2 power"), other cards have instant effects that resolve once ("put another card from play into the discard"). What would be a good architecture or pattern to implement this? The stats are clearly just instance attributes, but the effects are more akin to functions. I could make a class that has the attributes and do_instant_effect and apply_static_effect functions each with a big if elif that performs the necessary logic based on the card name attribute, but that seems messy. Any cleaner solutions?

[strange bone]

why model that with oop?

card definitions are a dict/dataclass/whatever

functions implement effects/actions, card definitions refer to those functions

I say that because actions probably are going to be shared between cards, so you're going to end up trying to have some class hierarchy, but that'll get messy quick

[harsh panther]

yeah I was also worried about that 😅 whenever I use inheritance I quickly encounter some friction

like it's not a good fit

how would I write card definitions as a dict though?

[strange bone]

the same way you'd store it at attributes

[native cradle]

If you suddenly received $50,000 at your doorstep, which of these would you spend it on first?

1. Family
2. Child
3. Car
4. Bills
5. Clothes
6. Food
7. Investment
8. School
9. Vacation
10. House
11. Savings
12. Donations”

[novel salmon]

how about none of them

[uneven bridge]

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[ionic geode]

child

[white dirge]

!warn 1483307751852736562 You've pasted this message across multiple channels. Do not spam on this server, and respect the channel descriptions.

[verbal quiver]

even if you any one these , it will under the spending on family consideration , irrespective of your own expenses ,so choosing any of these and naming it a family expense isnt wrong .

[outer prism]

labubu

[woven canopy]

question. Working on some text stuff for a game, basically characters will store a series of words that may be used to referr to them by their class, race, pronouns, etc. I'm not doing the writing side, but

Pronouns I've got values for

subject (he/she/they), object (him, her, them), posessive (his, hers, theirs), and reflexive (himself, herself, themselves)

For race (lets say basic humans for now, but there are several races) got singular, plural,posessive, and adjectives (human, humans, human's, and human) that's kinda boring so there's also (elf, elves, elf's, elven), (dwarf, dwarves, dwarf's, dwarven) and so on

gonna do lists like these for the various professions and such as well.

As I don't have much if any access to the writing bits... any other things I should include just in case?

(Also do note, I guess eventually players be making up their own races pronoun lists and etc, so on some level it's kinda moot, but will still need all of these variables to store the custom information in)

[olive geode]

not sure to follow the question?

[white zephyr]

how do I start to learn python to make a game

[normal silo]

!resources

[frank field]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[normal silo]

https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

https://inventwithpython.com/bigbookpython/

(Has some games in it too)

[urban shuttle]

What are some really important lines of code that you would need to know when starting out coding in python, considering that you've already learned the basics (excluding actually making a game, I only know how to code in replit and have no idea on how to start making actual games)

By the way this is something I need for a project at school (year 10) about researching what we see ourselves as in the future, any contribution helps 😄

please consider rule 8 when responding

[coral walrus]

I'm not sure if calling a line of code important makes much sense

do you mean game dev, or coding with python in general?

[urban shuttle]

mb i mean functions

a bit of both btw, preferably an indie game dev

[coral walrus]

print, input, min, max, sum - but it's all subjective at the end of the day depending on what the developer is doing

for game dev, I'd say the most important concepts to understand is velocity/acceleration and a little bit of collision logic, so normals, AABB, etc.

[urban shuttle]

thank you so much bro i really appreciate it

[minor cloak]

Happy with my current WIP of a survival game. Also just as happy that ursina is just easier to code than pygame. I just wish they had better docs tho.

https://pyweek.org/d/8031/ for my latest game diary entry

[white zephyr]

thanks

[verbal quiver]

chat gpt would give you a list of activities , but the app will give you a absolute experience , it would not give you a list but for each mission an to a gamified level of experience

[slow copper]

You can still ask chatgpt to give a gamified mission

Also how will you be generating these missions

|| through some ai API? ||

[humble glacier]

Hi. Anyone lurking?

I want to make a game but don't know what to make.

[final shard]

i can help you for money

[humble glacier]

No

[cerulean nimbus]

Mmmmh 2d or 3d

[humble glacier]

3d

I think an isometric voxel game would be cool. Inspired by Zelda or Kirby. But I dont think i have the assets.

You would get abilities like one allows you to extrude block faces

Maybe if I make the game with concept art I can get somone to create better art.

[wraith stirrup]

u can do it with Pygame

[worn barn]

car racing game??

car driving simulator?

thats what i made for my first game

https://rio-racing.vercel.app

and no its not pygame.

[humble glacier]

Well i want to make this isometric game. Ill be doing it in C.

[worn barn]

C?

why do a hard game for ur first game?

[humble glacier]

The main issue is I dont have assets and cant make them

[worn barn]

u will probably end up hating game dev

[worn barn]

3d game? or 2d?

[humble glacier]

I like C

[worn barn]

describe the type of game ur trying to build

[humble glacier]

3d

[worn barn]

ah perfect

[humble glacier]

I did above

[worn barn]

describe the game

[worn barn]

oh this??/

[humble glacier]

.

Yeah

[worn barn]

https://sketchfab.com

u can get assets here

or even https://kenney.nl

[humble glacier]

Thanks

[worn barn]

lmk how it goes

il see if im able to help. i have quite some experience in game dev

[cerulean nimbus]

There are lots of assets on itch

[valid ruin]

Has someone ever tried ursina to make a 3d game before?

[lunar venture]

Yes

#game-development message

[stuck crow]

how do i get started with maki ng a clicker?

[shrewd dagger]

Hello, I wanted to introduce my first game, secret_console.exe

secret_console.exe is a text-based game — an interactive console with custom commands that hides something beneath the surface. The more you use it, the more you realize you're being watched. The more questions you ask... the deeper it gets.

Developed by a 2-person indie team. Currently in early development — follow the DevLog to stay updated.

GameJolt link:
https://gamejolt.com/games/secret_console/1058721
thanks for your time...

[lunar venture]

Put a clickable sprite on the screen where every click increments a counter

[lunar venture]

!rule 6

[frank field]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[lunar venture]

I suggest you take down your message

[minor cloak]

or, y'know.... ask ChatGPT for some ideas... Google around... etc

[coarse hill]

!warn 1372930274526236796 Don't advertise here

[frank field]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @ancient trail.

[uneven bridge]

It sounds cool, you could put it on steam if you have the money

[minor cloak]

3D modelling is hard. Been trying to figure out about this texture modelling problem with Ursina. Seems like its fine if I make one from scratch. I suspect the model I downloaded online is just not compatible... probably

Ugh I really dont wanna build all of these models... I guess I'll do it Minecraft style. Everything is a cube

[hushed osprey]

Is this tux?