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near ocean
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take a screenshot and post it

shadow mist
near ocean
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looks ok, are you having problems getting called back?

graceful mason
# shadow mist

I'm not a fan of the dates/location being on the right of the page - it's hard to read that naturally
You misspelt NoSQL in the first line

shadow mist
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near ocean
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i think a small tag line where you list out the tech you've used is fine, i have one on mine too

shadow mist
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Given what I have on my resume, would I still be looked at like a junior or could I qualify for a mid-level position if I was to join a startup of ~20-50 ppl?

graceful mason
near ocean
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your work experience starts july last year, you dont even have a year's experience, of course you'd be more likely to be considered a junior

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oh wait, its not sorted by date, why would you do that

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most recent position first, this is just confusing

shadow mist
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gotcha

near ocean
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jan 2020 might be mid position but people are probably gonna assume youre a junior still, not sure

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i would also be more specific in your job descriptions, "Strategic research" doesnt mean much

shadow mist
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Definitely, thanks for the time!

dense mesa
# shadow mist

The quote seems quite unprofessional, the colouring should be more consistent or removed completely on the red/black words (again looks unprofessional). Having dates and locations on the right hand side is fine, idk why other people are picking up on it. You should try and use Situation-Task-Action-Result more on the bullet points (STAR method)

dense mesa
tribal orchid
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how would i know that i am beginner or intermediate in python?

dense mesa
tribal orchid
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@dense mesa^

dense mesa
vapid jay
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Hello anyone who's reading this
i'd like to ask a question from basically anyone who can answer me
so since past 2 years my university was in online mode so i was slacking off a lot other that a few assignments i did nothing although i did do some web developent and i had an active github profile on that matter but since i went back to my collage i realised that this is not enough and i have to learn machine learning and data structure as well . so i started watching some youtube videos about ml and currently i am doing a udemy couse (its a 44hr course and i have done like 4 hrs from it) and about data structures, i learned a bit and also saw some suggestions videos after which it all boils down to "learn ds from anywhere and apply it on leet code"

so my question is what should be my realistic goes on leetcode since my 6th sem is over and placement will start from july probably

i just wanna know a goal i should set like atleast 10q per day for first week then 15 or 20 per day in the following week and so on

if anyone can help me with some advice i would appreciate that very much
ty

peak halo
vapid jay
dense mesa
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LeetCode is very good practice for a lot of technical interview questions

peak halo
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I don't know how things work in India, so I can't really comment. I am in the US.

delicate bane
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yeah what is "placement"? do you get placed into dif companies based on some test or something?

dense mesa
dense mesa
vapid jay
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my goal here is to ask you guys some advice on how should i set my goals so i will get prepared afleast go enough to score an interview in a nice company

as far as placement goes that just means a lot of companies comes on campus takes conducts various diff exams and shortlist candidates based on that

lofty pumice
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what companies are you aiming for?

lusty radish
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hello

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i want to become a software engineer so what i can do for it

vapid jay
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i live in turkey but planing to study and live in US

lofty pumice
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learn to code tbh

vapid jay
smoky quest
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The market is growing faster than the number of people in it.
There is also a large number of applicants who are pretty bad.

peak halo
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lofty pumice
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and probably go into some FAANG challlenges, like hashcode from google

lusty radish
peak halo
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lusty radish
gaunt elbow
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Hi all, anyone knows if it's even possible to debug pyspark locally with breakpoints? Always raises an error after it reaches an action method on dataframes. Thanks.

peak halo
gaunt elbow
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oooops sorry thought I was writing in general

peak halo
lusty radish
vapid jay
smoky quest
azure mountain
# smoky quest The main thing is to aim for a cs degree. In the mean time, learn and explore di...

I think this is a major component of it. I will add that one thing I look for in hirig folks is not only their technical skill but those that can understand and appreciate the richness of business context surrounding the problems we ask them to solve. Take advantage of foundational business, accounting, marketing etc, courses if offered. Data scientest tend to build better solutions and make smarter implementation choices if they are familiar with how a business may leverage their solutions.

soft bay
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hay fam

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Career talk with me ?

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whos in?

plucky karma
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Every engineer must ask what they are solving for.

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Is there a product or more out there offering to solve said problem?

narrow minnow
vast spire
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Do you think portfolio is necessary?

smoky quest
dense mesa
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soft bay
narrow minnow
dense mesa
vast spire
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Yeah knowing how to connect python with sql can be useful

dense mesa
vast spire
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And in case you have any visualization it could be helpful yes

dense mesa
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Some jobs will take people with no programming experience to be software developers, others will require years of experience

vast spire
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So many jobs also ask for a website/clone of youtube/instagram

dense mesa
vast spire
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The other day I saw a post from shopify they want a clone of instagram as their entrance test

soft bay
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is a having a job experience in python very important if you want to build your business?

narrow minnow
smoky quest
vast spire
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I might even have the document give me a sec

smoky quest
dense mesa
vapid jay
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anyone worked onupwork or toptal as a django developer ?
How much can be earned, if anyone could share theor experince

vast spire
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it's closed rip

dense mesa
soft bay
narrow minnow
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near ocean
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What is this above me, i only see empty space

soft bay
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me too

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why

near ocean
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<@&831776746206265384> can you do something about this huge block of nothing?

lunar pond
# shadow mist

There is a good free online tool to make a resume and you can start from one of the free templates it offers. Itโ€™s quite easy to use:

https://flowcv.io

Quickly create a beautiful resume or CV for free and get
useful tips along the way. Share your resume easily with your
friends and customise it easily.

shadow mist
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Thank you @lunar pond

lunar pond
# shadow mist Thank you <@824293804655509547>

You are welcome. Iโ€™d also suggest to add a skill section; as you know usually resumes are read by bots looking for specific words so adding the technologies, etc, that you know is quite useful.

azure mountain
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If you end up creating a resume I would be happy to give you feedback. I look at literally 1000s for hiring. DM me if you would like, I head up an analytics department, including a Data Science division.

ebon sun
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Everything is a programming problem if you work hard enough.

hollow yacht
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undone willow
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The one with recommended things to learn for backend programmers

smoky quest
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undone willow
smoky quest
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(which can help you see who/how they contributed to it)

grim summit
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Hey anyone experienced that can help me with some stuff message me please ๐Ÿ™‚

grim summit
dense mesa
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How come?

grim summit
dense mesa
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There's more opportunity for relevant people to answer here

grim summit
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I dont feel comfortable

ivory sluice
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wanting to go to DM just gives the appearance of you wanting to circumvent our rules, so i'd suggest asking here. and if you're not comfortable posting it here i don't think you should feel any more comfortable DMing a stranger that you've picked from the lot

grim summit
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alright

analog lark
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What certifications would get me a job in data science?

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Or like at least ease the process?

dense mesa
peak halo
analog lark
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None

peak halo
analog lark
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Aight

vapid jay
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anyone worked onupwork or toptal as a django or react developer ?
How much can be earned, if anyone could share theor experince

wild mesa
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Defiantly do go enroll in some sort of academic training, but I'm just saying you should try to get your feet wet and see what areas you really like

dapper depot
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!ban 817150154439655424 racism

inner wrenBOT
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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @grand flower permanently.

grave apex
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Hello I recently started learning Payton like a month or so, but it just started as a new thing to learn, but recently I have been thinking about what path should be the one to fallow

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Like I have i never thought I was going to get hooked up with programming and started to get interested in it as a career, if any suggestions as of the path to start with or recommendations, I do not attend to any course or anything just YouTube and practice

delicate bane
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https://roadmap.sh/ is a good place to start

warped egret
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Hi Guys, I am really sad about myself, it is been 4 months, I did not get any offer still. I learned very hard, I think should I give up? Do you guys have any idea? so tough now ....

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life so hard....

smoky quest
warped egret
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thanks, i will try to think in this way, and think how to do in this way...

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well, just think how to help and better for everyone...

smoky quest
# warped egret well, just think how to help and better for everyone...

I was more referring to help us help you.
What you told us is no different than me coming to you and asking you: Hey @warped egret , I have learned guitar and trying to join a band for 4 months without success. Should I quit?. You would be missing so much information about helping me making such decision like:

  • how good am I with a guitar?
  • how have I tried to approach bands?
  • how does my resume look like?
  • do bands refuse me after talking to me or are they completely not replying to my inquiries?
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In your case, just the fact of having a degree or not can make a huge difference. So does the country in which you are trying to work in and how you are applying to jobs and in which field

warped egret
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appreciate your reply...!!!
I was a support engineer, not much coding, I am trying to apply SRE and Devops roles, and I am building up my coding part, cause I had some experience, and now I am working for K8s. which is the platform I loved, I have college degree. I am thinking to move to a more coding role, not just support engineer. And I dont wanna give up... So based on your note. I will keep do my best. help myself and in here if any, or for guys in here

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really appreciated your note! anyway,,,, thanks

smoky quest
# warped egret really appreciated your note! anyway,,,, thanks

I haven't said anything to help you get a job yet.
The only thing I said was to give us more information! So thanks for the additional context.

Now, considering you are working with k8s and you have a degree, I am wondering what you are attributing your lack of success to?
How many applications per weeks? How many replies?

warped egret
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I think coding working experience... Because I was system/network admin/ now support engineer / I want to build up my coding so that I might get a better chance for a devops / sre role.

well, 500 application so far.. and 10 interviews... no offer yet... or most of time, no devops / sre job interview,,, most of time is still support role...

applying during week days... none stop... and keep learning, just in case I forgot the basic knowledge for basic interview questions...

so I guess maybe because I have no enough contribute in Github project to prove myself..... maybe ~

summer roost
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what kind of degree do you have?

warped egret
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college advanced 3.5 years degree,,,, plus intership..

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computer system technology in Cambrian College

smoky quest
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Also feel free to post an anonymized version of your resume for feedback

warped egret
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i guess this should be fine

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i know this is suck ....sorry guys

delicate bane
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and you were going for devops roles? my senior devops friend complains to me how everyone he interviews has a sys admin/networking background but he needs people with more cloud and dev backgrounds pithink

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dunno if thats actually helpful. just a small anecdote really. you should wait for more experienced folks to give their opinion.

warped egret
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i do cloud too. SDN SDWAN

delicate bane
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hmm if you did cloud, how come you dont have the specific services listed? he says people are usually most familiar with certain ones

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smoky quest
# warped egret

Overall, my main advice would be to make your resume more focused. As is, it looks all over the place and I am more confused than anything after reading it.
The rule of thumb is that the hiring manager will look at resumes and make a decision within 30-45s to reject or go further. So if they don't have a clear idea of who you are in 30-45 seconds, then your likelihood of getting a call back will severely decrease.

Furthermore if you are aiming at SRE, then your resume should make me thing you are a SRE. Right now, it looks closer to a sysadmin/support than a sre.

warped egret
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So i need to convert this one to more looks like a SRE not just a sysadmin or something else... correct?

smoky quest
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  • Simplify it. too much stuff all over the place. It creates distraction and confusion
  • If I am hiring a SRE, I want to see SRE stuff. Other stuff are cool but not really useful to me, or worse, could be used against you
warped egret
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ok I will keep working on the resume ... appreciated...

smoky quest
dim pelican
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Just came across this company named Revature that says they offer on the job training. Has anyone heard of this company?

lean glade
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Hi, I'm Electronics engineer also have business and supply chain post-grad in Canada. I recently started learning Python more than a month but have zero job-related experience so far. Do you think is that good idea to find a non-paid training position? I'm not money-oriented and need a solid start-point to gain experience.

pastel thunder
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Has anyone heard of subject matter expert, CHEGG?

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Is it even worth mentioning in resume, under service and organization section.
Mentioning under experience seems to be too noob.

analog lark
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It's just because they said "professional experience"

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Thought he meant like actually working in the field

near ocean
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thats what professional experience means

analog lark
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Oh.

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Oh sorry lol I'm not a native English speaker.

near ocean
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when recruiters/hiring managers say experience they usually mean professional experience, as in, someone paid you to use X or Y technologies

analog lark
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Hmm.

silk rose
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Is this a skill to know Python matplotlib or numpy? Or is this just expected, taken for granted?
I use matplotlib, numpy, a bit pandas, and recently something similar to xarray, and hdf5.
Or are these useless library when I want to look for a job related to Python, please?

dense mesa
silk rose
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Maybe I should explain. If I hear a Python podcast, they talk mainly about other libraries. Flask, Django. These are currently not relevant for my job. So I have no idea about them.

near ocean
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pretty much any data science/ML/AI/data eng position is going to have you use numpy and pandas
theyre essential data manipulation libraries

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if that's what youre going for then you should learn them to decent depth, otherwise working knowledge of them is fine

dense mesa
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silk rose
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Thank you. Currently, I have only attended a course on machine learning (1d course). No knowledge there.
Why it relevant? If they were not used, useless knowledge. Nobody hires people without skills.
To be honest, I work currently two jobs in academia. My spare time is loaded with my own project I am not paid for. So learning Django or so, I have currently now time for.

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And in the past I saw: Nobody gives any more time to learn something. You don't have the skills, but you could learn them? Out.

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Maybe this is due to short-term contracts in acdamia. I don;t know, hence I am asking.

silk rose
dense mesa
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Just because a library isn't being used for a specific job, or mentioned in a specific podcast, doesn't make it useless

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People get hired with the direct skills necessary because they have transferable skills and can be trained on how to do something new

dense mesa
silk rose
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Maybe I have to work on my self-marketing skills ๐Ÿ™‚ and I messed up by academia.

silk rose
dense mesa
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dense mesa
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Which country is this for in that case? I know a few people here in the UK who went from engineering/physics/maths masters or PhDs straight into software engineering

silk rose
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Germany.

marsh wind
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that's kind of the thing really... industry does not want a dirty physics code, they want to have smth robust. We had small discussion on this in #pedagogy just few days ago, you can check it

dense mesa
silk rose
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@marsh wind Thank you I will check it out. Nice that I can talk with you here about this

marsh wind
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marsh wind
# dense mesa M?

I did not understand what you meant by file exchange has some interesting submissions

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just wondering, can I add a bot I created for a company's discord to my cv?

marsh wind
# silk rose Does it involve Python programming?

+/- I started as Data scientist so it was pretty much 100% python and related stuff, so pandas, numpy, data viz and some flask. Later on I became a kind of product owner/data scientist so it has much less actually coding and stuff and much more interactions with clients, defining of requirements, deciding priorities, business logic etc. I do still some more tech things, mainly python/SQL and sometimes some devops shit....

silk rose
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Thank you for sharing some insights. Maybe there is some hope for me ๐Ÿ™‚

silk rose
pastel thunder
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is PLC programming in domain of software engineer

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dense mesa
silk rose
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I am not in software engineering, but I think I have some experience with writing job applications.

marsh wind
silk rose
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@marsh wind What also means working knowledge? There isn't a day where I learn a new thing or a new trick in Python. Or is this still normal?

marsh wind
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1000% normal.
how long ago did you finish your phd/ how many postdoc years you have? Cause it is true that companies my get a bit reluctant with those who are not freshly minted (but still I know people who transitioned after >10 yerars of postdocs)

pastel thunder
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is it full on Software dev?

ornate lotus
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What resume projects have you guys developed that helped you get a job?

lusty radish
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hello my name is junaid and i want to become artifical intelligence engineer so what i can do...

ornate lotus
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pastel thunder
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should i mention in my resume?is it worth mentioning

dense mesa
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pastel thunder
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i mean i am talking of top schools and dont want any negative impact

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pastel thunder
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can i safely add it as a positive

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pastel thunder
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i will add then...its certainly my second internship....what do they expect lmao

dense mesa
# lusty radish so i really want to earn money so much with coding so what is your advice

I've given two messages advice of above, reread them and then take a look at:
https://roadmap.sh and https://teachyourselfcs.com

lusty radish
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ok thanks

ornate lotus
lusty radish
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ok ok

lusty radish
dense mesa
lusty radish
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yes

ornate lotus
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just learn python and a datascience lib and then expand after you are able to teach that

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eg Pandas

foggy depot
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Matt Harrison has a great pandas book

pliant token
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Hi newbie in this group. Any tips to learn quickly in coding?

true remnant
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Hey there

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I'm kinda confused

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thinking of finding someone similar to my situation

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I'm Lithuanian but shortly gonna move to Australia, coz I'm concern about current situation with Ukraine ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ฆ

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However, I wanna learn code over there, Australia, gonna do kind of joinery work

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But wanna study code on my own, I've tried it several times and failed never finished

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Anyway ideas? :)

pliant token
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A support or community group will play a big part indeed!

true remnant
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Well, it's definitely more opportunities over there and way more competitions too; therefore, it's kinda hard to tell but definitely it's safer than than in my country

true remnant
pliant token
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Are there refugees moving in your country? Hmm, it is in Europe continent if I am not mistaken so most likely, greatly affected.

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This group is probably a good medium for support

true remnant
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Yeah, it's one of the Baltic countries

pliant token
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If you personally affected by the war, then rearrange yourself would help before starting unto something. Get yourself stabilized emotionally, physically, mentally and the habitat.

true remnant
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At that stage I'm not but who knows what might happen in the future and we aren't talking just economical crisis but a potential war even though it's unlikely but still there's some chance.

pliant token
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A good chat here with like minded is great!

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Or anyone who wants to achieve the same result

true remnant
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I see, anyway thx for the reply and piece of advice ๐Ÿ˜‰

pliant token
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Thanks for the chat too. I was actually looking for a helping hand then it happened we are both the same. ๐Ÿคฃ

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marsh wind
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Ooph. Have no info at all about how it works in Thailand... But here's what I think: doing a PhD in physics is worth it if person is set to continue in research.

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It's OK reconsider it down the road, totally understandable. But doing phd if you are already not planning research is a bad idea imo

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Unless there are other very important consideration. For example visa bcs you want to stay in XY country for strong reason, family for example and it's the only way.

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delicate bane
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i also thought this but wanted to hear you guys' thoughts too kekHands

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much appreciated. blobpray

dense mesa
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If you consider opportunity cost, it's directly disadvantaging someone to do a PhD and then switch, rather than switching earlier. Like, literally years are lost

pliant token
dense mesa
pliant token
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Where is it?

dense mesa
pliant token
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Ok Thanks

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So this group is actually general discussion related to careers. Got it!

dense mesa
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Please don't go into other channels to ask for help

manic yacht
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: |

analog sun
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!mute 801198653740941322 1w You have not listened to your warning of not posting off-topic screenshots.

inner wrenBOT
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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @manic yacht until <t:1650568465:f> (6 days and 23 hours).

delicate bane
smoky frost
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How do i get a job as remote developer ?

smoky quest
smoky frost
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Where is that?

smoky quest
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It depends on the country, but Linkedin and indeed are pretty popular in many countries

smoky frost
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Can i get a job via discord ?

smoky quest
vapid jay
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so i am done with my current job. I am sick of being this low contributor and i hate the lack of mentorship. Its clear that my coworkers donโ€™t like me because they donโ€™t try to help me, even when I ask for help (yet theyโ€™re so willing to help the newer coworkers)

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So after 1.2 years here, Iโ€™m trying to find a better environment that has much more mentorship and support for junior employees

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honest pivot
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Depends which tech

brittle thorn
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dense mesa
brittle thorn
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Money shouldnt be the sole measure

dense mesa
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My advice was if they know they're gonna switch, it makes sense to not do a PhD

brittle thorn
vapid jay
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I put not know at all about python and I speak not very good English I do how

marsh wind
# brittle thorn Many do successfully

It's not about that. There's little doubt that transition is possible. The point is that going into phd knowing you don't plan to stay in academia is not very wise in a general case. World of academic research is a rather specific place. And I wouldn't recommend going in for fun or out of curiosity

dense mesa
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If I get the master's degree apprenticeship offer, I get a 2 year funded masters with paid work alongside it, pretty good mix of industry and teaching

marsh wind
dense mesa
marsh wind
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Right. At least it's quite popular in tech related degrees as well as stuff like marketing and etc. France unis are considered mediocre places at large so if you want a respected degree you'd need a private-ish school. And those would often cost some 5-20k a year depending on school so for many people apprenticeships are the only way to afford it

sharp thunder
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Hi guys out of curiosity, I just sent out my applications to jobs for junior python roles with my GitHub link in my resume for them to see my projects of 6. I just have experiences as a system admin in my resume but no tasks or responsibilities that involve python use just SQLโ€ฆis there a strong possibility hiring managers could ignore my application due to my experience and not possibly seeing my GitHub projects??

plucky karma
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That'll at least get it in front of someone. Ask for feedback if you get rejected and see if they provide any.

sharp thunder
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Damn , is that how other people did just like me when jumping into Devops ?

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I know some went through code boot camps to get in

graceful mason
sharp thunder
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I see, I figure the questions theyโ€™d ask me for the technical would pertain from how I did this for my projects or answering advanced coding questions

delicate bane
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if you want to send an anonymized version of your resume here, people can give some advice and that may help

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@sharp thunder

vapid jay
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Thoughts on learning Python for machine learning internship? Currently doing a course on udemy for general knowledge and then plan to specialize in machine learning for an internship. Any advice?

dense mesa
vapid jay
# dense mesa Why wouldn't you learn python for ML? What other languages are you considering

I'm broadly interested in a lot of computer science fields, but machine learning sounds like a fun specialty. Was considering web dev, but now doing Python all the way, so machine learning is the way to go. I was mostly unsure about the quickest way to get an internship, but I realize that in my current situation, I don't need to worry about that, so I'm just doing what I like now. I was considering android app development with java, but that's a language I am deferring in lieu of Python.

dense mesa
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Are you able to apply for internships? You keep editing your message so I'm not sure what your actual question is

vapid jay
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I am able to apply for internships, but I guess my question is, more specifically, what types of ML projects would employers most want to see? I may be presumptuous in asking, but I I'm just fishing around for ideas to consider for the future. Sorry if I'm confusing you, but basically my goal is to get an internship, but not quickly. Apologies

dense mesa
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Just start anywhere with a basic project, for example by looking up "python machine learning project for beginners"

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Get the easy stuff done and start figuring out what you need to learn to advance. There's nothing specific they're looking for in most cases, just evidence you've learned something

wicked parcel
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does anyone have a python proyect and needs help with it?

vapid jay
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oh ok, thank you. I really appreciate it. I will do that then. My goal is to make a project that involves a lot of Python programming concepts so I can really show I know my stuff. Thank you so much ๐Ÿ™‚

wicked parcel
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im currently looking foward on geting some experience

dense mesa
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vapid jay
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vapid jay
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Ah, I see. Perhaps it is just analysis paralysis then. Makes sense. I guess part of the journey is the path to figuring out the route

delicate bane
shadow mist
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I wonder if it's possible to find a new job if you have ~2 years of experience...

smoky quest
autumn urchin
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I feel like my Python skills are limited. I started learning about two years ago with free online resources, and then I bought a Udemy course. Since then, I've made a number of projects for myself for fun and to improve work life. The most complex thing I've made was program with a user interface using tkinter to automate oob configurations for servers. It reads Excel build documents and pulls data from a web api for variable data. It then pushes out configurations, based on that data, using Redfish. Finally it pulls data from the servers and creates a detailed multi-tab Excel report for all the servers. While I am happy with what I've accomplished, I know my code isn't pretty, and I am sure it is far from looking like anything professional. I've been working on leetcode problems recently and find that some of the easy problems are difficult for me. I would like to really develop my skills and become advanced with Python. I know this will take a long long time. My question is, what learning path do you suggest I take to accomplish my goal? Do I need to go back to college (I have a degree in immunology and infectious disease, wish I would have gone comp sci) or can I avoid the massive cost associated with that?

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sorry for typing a small novel...

dense mesa
nocturne girder
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Pick a topic in python and start doing projects. Surely there is something related to your degree that is applicable.

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I have a friend who works at the 10X genomics with a microbio degree and works as a SWE. Maybe look at what they are doing and attempt a related baby sized project

dense mesa
nocturne girder
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Not immunology related projects

autumn urchin
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I'm actually already in IT. I haven't done anything with my degree because of the low pay in that field. Money is a factor since I have a wife, a toddler, and a newborn. I am an Engineer for a large IT company, but I would like to get into a position more involved with something like data science and ML. Currently I work on some large data center projects. It's more of architect/sysadmin work.

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I worked my way up from a junior field tech the past few years

dense mesa
# autumn urchin I'm actually already in IT. I haven't done anything with my degree because of t...

You could read through Automate the Boring Stuff and start trying to automate parts of your job.

You should check out https://kaggle.com and do some of the ML beginner courses.

If you want to pick up some knowledge for interviews, https://teachyourselfcs.com is good

dense mesa
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Data science and machine learning become a lot more straightforward once stuff starts clicking, my path involved doing data analytics and then having the "aha" moment to see how machine learning used the data stuff to do classification

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In fact, when you "understand"/grok machine learning, or especially deep learning, it seems ridiculous how simple the small building blocks are

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https://youtube.com/c/joshstarmer this channel is excellent for intuitively understanding the stats/data stuff

autumn urchin
autumn urchin
dense mesa
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For sure, it's great that you're working towards this stuff for your family so I'm very happy to help ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

autumn urchin
# dense mesa For sure, it's great that you're working towards this stuff for your family so I...

yeah, I am a little underpaid at my current position. I had a conversation with my manager about that, and he even admitted my salary is well below what it should be. He said that's something that would be corrected over the next six months. We'll see. Even if I weren't able to get an increase to my income, I feel like I'd be much happier with this stuff. I really enjoy coding and problem solving.

autumn urchin
nocturne girder
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Oh yeah, immunology is weirdly low pay. $50k out of college, $85k 5 years out of school

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Compared to mechE, one of the lowest pays of the engineers, $75k out of school, $100k at 5 years

ripe pagoda
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what about a python dev

nocturne girder
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I donโ€™t know, but probably is less consistent based on how much you know

summer roost
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"python dev" isn't a job title, or even really a position. The pay you make as a developer depends on the type of work you're doing.

vapid jay
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trying to get out of the tech support hellhole lol, gonna be interesting to be dedicated to this

nocturne girder
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Join the club

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31 here

vapid jay
nocturne girder
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March 1

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I did a bit over a year of matlab and vba before, so it was learning syntax not logic

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The hard part for newbies is the logic I think, just because its so much more rigid

red pagoda
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can debugging be a part time job

smoky quest
red pagoda
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if get good at small coding

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like after mastering the fundamentals and coding like 200 programs. can i get a part time job atleast?

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or can i be helpful for an actual developer

smoky quest
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there aren't such things as half developer

red pagoda
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what are we talking about here

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then

smoky quest
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it would probably be more helpful if you started from the beginning:
What is your current situation and what is your goal?

red pagoda
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im done on level 0
i wanna master python
before that make some money i guess

smoky quest
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It's a bit more complicated than that. Are you a teenager?

ivory sluice
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in the beginning, pursuing revenue/making money has no overlap with learning programming

red pagoda
ivory sluice
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if you have monetizable skills and people willing to employ you, sure

red pagoda
ivory sluice
red pagoda
smoky quest
# red pagoda yes unfortunately

lucky you! You have tons of future opportunities.

At your stage, I would then recommend to focus on getting to university for a CS degree. That's what open the most doors.
As mentioned by @ minaberry, focusing on money without skills is not going to be successful for you. So instead, you could focus in exploring the field and the different skills and languages. Make websites, mobile apps, backend, play with some ML and make some robots. It will help you establish some CS culture, learn how things fit together and what you like and dislike

red pagoda
ivory sluice
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with many preceding steps, like going to school, ideally a university degree. it will be very difficult to "break into" the industry and get your first job without that. but if you do somehow manage, it will likely be lower pay than it would have been if you were exposed to more opportunities in school. this is on top of actually learning programming

smoky quest
red pagoda
ivory sluice
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idk anyone that is employed part time doing programming.

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if your aim is quick cash there are probably other avenues more appropriate than coding?

red pagoda
red pagoda
ivory sluice
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so you can be a freelancer, but it's a long road of marketing and selling yourself. i'd wager most aren't cut out for it

red pagoda
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what about helping a developer?

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on debugging or writing not complicated but time consuming codes

ivory sluice
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especially with many DIY website tools these days, if a business is on a budget they'll do it themselves. if they have a budget to hire a real pro, you'd have to convince them you're the right pro for them.

ivory sluice
red pagoda
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ivory sluice
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so you're thinking a corporate job and a fixed regular pay?

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then take the path recursive_error explained above

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and work hard ;)

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are you in middle school or high school?

red pagoda
red pagoda
ivory sluice
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in the US?

red pagoda
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nop asia

ivory sluice
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then find out from people in your area and network who have succeeded in doing what you want to do, and emulate them.

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if you don't have people like that to ask, then you can take the anecdotes from people here

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most if not all will agree that learning a skill to set yourself up to have a career and making $ simultaneously doesn't work

red pagoda
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so yall telling me that there no such thing as part time ?

ivory sluice
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why would anyone hire a part time dev? i want full time devs

red pagoda
ivory sluice
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i didn't understand that

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yeah ofc there are part time jobs that aren't dev work

ivory talon
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When something that you're doing will last for months, as is the case in software development:
A bad job done is worse than no job done at all, and making sure that a part-time did their job right would take about as many resources as a senior doing it in first place.

ivory sluice
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work at a restaurant, work retail.. these are good part time jobs

red pagoda
ivory sluice
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very few things are truly impossible
but making decent money as a part time job doing dev work.. that does seem very close to impossible.

if you consider that you don't have programming skills yet, it is 99.99999% impossible

red pagoda
ivory sluice
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try it, but a unit of time does not equate to getting a job. the formula is more complex than that

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school, CS degree or some kind of uni degree, knowledge as demonstrated by your portfolio, connections, applying, putting in time to practice your interview skills, luck.. these are all

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part of the formula

red pagoda
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woohh. alright i think i should consider dropping my plan lol

ivory sluice
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however, 6 months of consistent work and practice? it won't be a waste of time if you set your sights on learning python. you can learn a lot in 6 months

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or you can learn a little or a moderate amount. that's up to the determination of the learner

red pagoda
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yeah sure

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still doesn't get me money ๐Ÿ˜ซ

ivory sluice
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ask your parents for allowance or get a job if you want money lol

red pagoda
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yup

ivory sluice
pearl star
brittle thorn
brittle thorn
red pagoda
red pagoda
brittle thorn
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Stop asking start coding

red pagoda
brittle thorn
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Whatever you want to make in Python or any comp lang

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Or stay in school please

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Dont be in a rush to make money

ripe narwhal
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do cp as well

true remnant
# red pagoda still doesn't get me money ๐Ÿ˜ซ

I think mate, you have to reconsider your choice, if u wanna quick money I don't think coding is your best choice, since this long term game and I'm not just talking about the set of skills but it's mind game too. I've been trying years to learn code but for some reason I quit after a while. Perhaps, you have way more stronger "WHY" than me to learn coding

brittle thorn
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Programmer burnout is real so yes to above

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Money should not be your motivation

red pagoda
red pagoda
past plover
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Hello guys. I hope yall having a good day. So I'm a front-end developer and i was wondering if i should write in my personal website "front-end developer" or "web developer"

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I mean do customers even know what front-end means? isn't it confusing?

peak halo
past plover
peak halo
# past plover Yes only front-end. but isn't it confusing to others?

I don't know, but the alternative is you having to explain it to them anyway if people ask you about doing what is ultimately full-stack web dev. and I would suspect that in your position, you're looking to be hired by a web development team that includes back-end developers.

past plover
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Thank you for your explanation sir! ๐Ÿ™‚

dense mesa
finite coral
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Can anyone suggest any platform from where I can start my journey in Data Structures & Algorithms???

peak halo
finite coral
scarlet lodge
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Hello, sorry if i write on wrong topic. Hi all. I want to change jobs. and try my self in (programming) python (like most easy language for beginner ) . The question is, in which direction to start in order to start earning as soon as possible. Lots of free time. Who will advise what? But definitely not AI !! I think about web dev, but , i want to have fun , but i dont think web dev is funn. any help?

peak halo
scarlet lodge
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@peak halo i am Team Leader on PUB/NightClub

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i want to change my life style xD

peak halo
scarlet lodge
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yep

peak halo
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I see. perhaps someone who started working in web development without a CS degree can tell you how they did that. It might be that web development bootcamps are a viable option in this case, but I am not sure.

scarlet lodge
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@peak halo now, i want to move on part time job, to earn like, just pay my bills+food. and learn new skillz... to move from tthis kind of job

past plover
dense mesa
past plover
loud violet
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Example of complex algorithm: bubble sort, algorithm complexity, big data, machine learning, artificial intelligence, etc.

Just keep use ready to use algorithms and libraries, you will be safe.

dense mesa
loud violet
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No, I don't. What I really mean is "complex enough topics"... Just keep on much simpler areas, ie. CRUD applications, form apps, REST APIs

dense mesa
ivory sluice
summer roost
ivory sluice
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would they have kept you part time for a long period of time? Thinking_chief

peak halo
ivory sluice
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what you and godly are describing sound like temporary arrangements while they transition students into prospective full-time employees

peak halo
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sounds like it

summer roost
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In my case, it was temporary with no chance of becoming a regular full time employee, since I was a full time student at the time.

peak halo
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I also know of people who had recurring internships at the same company each summer, and then got full time jobs there after graduating.

ivory sluice
summer roost
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Quit when I wanted to

ivory sluice
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that sounds unique to me, or in your exp is that/was that fairly common

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i would imagine those kinds of opportunities were geared towards students that are eligible for software dev internships to begin with, meaning geared towards students that were pursuing software dev careers after graduating

pearl star
summer roost
pearl star
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I think its quite common in Europe. You are still learning so You work part time to learn working in groups, became better coder, get extra money.

marsh wind
ivory sluice
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cc @red pagoda ^^^^^^ read above

marsh wind
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but this kind of students working I think is fairly specific to Ukraine and maybe some other non EU or post soviet coutnries, because often there is no official trace of you working there, or very little of it just to have some kind of safeguard

pearl star
marsh wind
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means, no contract or contract for minimal salary, with an actual salary paid in cash, no taxes. Means that when you say they hired a person might not mean that they actually hired.

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P.S. not saying that was the only way of course. There were also people who would be hired officially, with proper contract, salary etc etc. But tax evasion where only small part of actual salary is official is fairly popular even these days and on all levels not just for students. But like 10-15 years (think 2008 crisis and around those times) ago "hiring" students without actually making it official was a fairly common way to get some cheap work done and evade taxes. And then if thing work out well with particular person it can flash out of course into a real and official work relationship

placid owl
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do you get a completion letter?

marsh wind
placid owl
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I mean some sort of letter or something which says you did the internship as a sort of proof. (I dont know if thats a common thing Ive worked at only one place and Ive gotten it)

pearl star
lusty radish
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hello

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i want to become a data scientist any one help me!

marsh wind
# pearl star Ooh, okay :) on "black market". In Poland I didn't hear about it in IT, rather i...

well I think it declines now bcs these days you can register yourself as "self entrepreneur" and that way you will pay smth like 5% tax plus something like 50$/month of special tax, which in the end is not much. But then you can make a contract to offer service to other people/companies, so in IT many people work like this: essentially you can have huge companies where only some core will be actual full time employee and 80% of devs will be "contracted" rather than hired.
But before this mechanism became so widespread black market was a way.

marsh wind
marsh wind
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oh ok. What I said had nothing to do with internships actually ๐Ÿ™‚

red pagoda
dense mesa
lusty radish
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yes

dense mesa
# lusty radish yes

It's just that if you'd looked at the resources, you would have a list of things to do to start getting into data science. Kinda confused as to why you're asking again

vapid jay
lusty radish
dense mesa
vapid jay
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I see.

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Hi.

I am a full-time Australian worker in their late 20s who canโ€™t enrol in formal education due financial obligations. Iโ€™m looking for a career change.

I do not have any programming or coding background, but I have used PCs my whole life and wish to pursue a career in data science.

In terms of online resources/courses, do you have any recommendations and/or tips you could suggest?

My only option at this stage is to use all my leisure to study at home. ๐Ÿ™‡

dense mesa
# vapid jay Hi. I am a full-time Australian worker in their late 20s who canโ€™t enrol in fo...

https://kaggle.com to get started
https://roadmap.sh to see where you need to go
https://teachyourselfcs.com to get there

vapid jay
dense mesa
vapid jay
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I know there's no requirement for me to tell my current employer why I'm quiting, but is there anything wrong with me just telling them I got a more competitive offer? I'd like to provide them some sort of explanation.

summer roost
summer roost
vapid jay
pearl star
vapid jay
pearl star
vapid jay
dense mesa
vapid jay
dense mesa
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If you can't do some form of higher education, just start learning with those resources now. Don't think about which one is better for which path, just write code and learn

vapid jay
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Alright. Thank you. ๐Ÿ™‡

dense mesa
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Everything you need to know will start falling into place the more you learn

peak halo
dense mesa
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It won't be the best job but it's a job

vapid jay
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Not to say Iโ€™m disregarding your advice, ANZ. Not all BCs are equal.

delicate bane
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i dont have experience with bootcamps myself but the general advice i hear before investing money into one is that you should reach out to the graduates and ask them about their experience. i heard many can be predatory but there are also some good ones too, so i would do some diligent research beforehand.

vapid jay
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Networking always pulls back the veil.

dense mesa
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There are people offering bootcamps completely free of charge now in private communities

vapid jay
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I will say I did the Udemy CS101 boot camp. Quite horrid, honestly. I do not know why it was scored so highly.

peak halo
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I suppose that is a more trustworthy business model, though I guess it depends on what the bootcamp ends up costing compared to the wages its graduates earn. if a bootcamp only charges you once you get a job, but they partner with companies that pay low wages to get people placed, then they're essentially still entrapping people in unreasonable debt.

vapid jay
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As always, devil is in the details.

peak halo
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a few weeks ago on Talk Python they were talking about a data science bootcamp that was partnered with a specific company, and that company ended up discontinuing the bootcamp because they simply couldn't impart enough knowledge to get a good return on investment in that much time.

delicate bane
delicate bane
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also yeah i feel like sometimes company needs cant be met with a bootcamp, especially for something like data science imo

delicate bane
torn cargo
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hi i have a question

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actually I don't know if this is the right channel but it's not the end of the world anyway here is my question : im just 15 years old and im learning basics of python (i know basics of programming in c# but i need to be better in py) after that i want to be an ai, deeplearning developer (specially opencv things is looking so interesting) so i need an roadmap

summer roost
shadow mist
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If you're re-modeling you resume and write that you've done consulting work for a company but it happens to be a very small start up, is it worth mentioning the name?

peak halo
# torn cargo actually I don't know if this is the right channel but it's not the end of the w...

I work in AI, and it's a difficult space to break into, even with relevant education. So the best thing you can do for the moment is position yourself into get into an AI/ML-related degree program. If you're in high school, admissions counsellors for those programs will probably look at your math grades especially. And any math class you can take before you finish high school is one less you'll have to take during the program.

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And while Python is almost certainly the main language you'd use in an AI/ML career (at least for the foreseeable future), I would make learning programming or any AI/ML-related concepts second to doing what would make you a competitive applicant for those programs. The classes you're taking now take priority.

torn cargo
# peak halo I work in AI, and it's a difficult space to break into, even with relevant educa...

first of all Thank You. I forgot say something : im living in Turkey so we just have Computer Science degree program. We don't have any "Machine Learning / Deep learning " Degrees in university.And im in high school 10th grade and my Math exams is good i love math Specially algebra. At this time im improving my english + python skills.Is it early to start Deeplearnig at this age? Should I pay more attention to basic issues such as algorithms and data structures at this age?

summer roost
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"Machine Learning" wouldn't generally be a separate degree, but rather a concentration you could take within your Computer Science degree program.

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usually within a degree there's a set of core classes that everyone takes, and then concentrations or tracks that you can take that focus more in depth on specialized areas

peak halo
summer roost
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so the university might offer courses that would let you concentrate on Operating Systems, or on Data Science, or on Machine Learning, or things like that, usually in the form of 3 to 6 extra courses that you take all focused on that topic.

peak halo
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If you have all your other bases covered, and you want to start learning about AI, you can.

summer roost
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spending time in high school focusing on math and English will likely yield much better rewards than focusing on machine learning - though it's definitely good to play around, experiment, try things out, and figure out what interests you.

torn cargo
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thank you everyone for the help

shadow mist
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Is it wise to have a github linked to your resume in spite of your GH having like 3 open source source projects?

gilded valley
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if you don't want to talk about it in an interview, don't put it on your resume

hollow sinew
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hey m just a student and learning python, and wanna ask if i can get a part time job after learning that

gilded valley
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and if you have 3 stale projects - then it's probably not worth including

pearl star
shadow mist
peak halo
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@keen tree this isn't a meme-posting server

safe loom
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I don't even know if the offer was legit. I heard about it from some dude who saw my profile and wanted to orient my resume towards this company and I had to mail him back only to heard that I've been rejected.

So far I've found that doing meetups was the most efficient strategy to push forward the process to the 2nd interview but they're rare... Also I should probably start doing data study gigs for people on Fiverr.

dense mesa
safe loom
dense mesa
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Ah ok

violet sequoia
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Hey I'm working on an independent study project for my university. I was wondering if I could ask someone, that works in the cs field or is a cs student, a few questions. This would be about my idea for a search engine for niche packages/repos. Feel free to dm me.

delicate bane
safe loom
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When it comes to Fiverr, is it wise to propose a Streamlit dashboard for a set of data as an entry level gig? Not sure if I should set it as 5 USD since the task requires some customization but I'm also a nobody.

In fact I'm afraid I might lose the client's trust haha.

clear loom
little gull
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;-

safe loom
#

Tutoring could also work

delicate bane
thin lantern
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Let's say you don't know how to code AT ALL

smoky quest
thin lantern
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I am doing a freelance thing for this guy I met.

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And he wants a feature added to an open source media player. Basically to sort the songs.
I'm not sure how I should go about charging him.

smoky quest
thin lantern
vapid jay
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Just calculate the time it'd take you and charge your hourly rate.

smoky quest
thin lantern
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It's something he wanted for himself, not that many people even notice the lack of sorting from what I've seen

summer roost
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if you think that's the price tag it would cost to make it worthwhile to build the feature, the client is more likely to pay it if you give some transparency into why the cost is so high.

thin lantern
shadow mist
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Any resume advice would be appreciated:

graceful mason
# shadow mist Any resume advice would be appreciated:

Could of small things:

  • fix the anchoring for remote next to bottom work experience so it's consistent with the others
  • instead of putting all data science and ML libraries list everything important you are competent with, both because you don't know all libraries and you don't know what buzzwords recruiters/software are going to be looking for
  • put your current job at the top of the work experience
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I'm also wondering which job you worked full time at as a student, does that have anything good you could list under work experience?

shadow mist
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Wdym?

graceful mason
# shadow mist Wdym?

You said worked full time as a student from September 2016 -> June 2020, did you include that work in your work experience?

shadow mist
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Donโ€™t really want to include construction and other strange jobs in my resume haha

graceful mason
shadow mist
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As of my experience, does this look good enough to land a mid-level gig?

graceful mason
summer roost
shadow mist
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Aha

vapid jay
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Change your first paragraph to something like the following. "Influential in python and all of its data science and ML libraries while also working with C++, R and JS/TS. Worked with numerous SQL and NoSQL databases, including Postgres, Mongo, and Redis, while continuously learning new technologies and languages"

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I'm guessing English is not your first language?

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Change the format of the resume as well. It looks horrible.

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Don't identify as a "data scientist." You have a bachelor's degree in computer science, not mathematics. Or, more specifically, statistics.

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Other than that, it's not bad. I'd recommend paying someone to fix it, though. No one is going to look at your resume like that.

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Also, take your GPA out of the resume. Don't give it to anyone unless they ask for it.

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Yeah, it would be best if you fixed the grammar in that entire resume @shadow mist

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It would be best to consider linking your project's source code in the resume or possibly the cover letter. Rather than having a section called "Projects" with a snippet of what they are.

smoky quest
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minors can give an "accent". But they won't make or break it

vapid jay
smoky quest
vapid jay
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I'm trying to convince my self that this Tourte will be worth it next year.

smoky quest
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not sure what a tourte is other than a specific type of quiche/pie

vapid jay
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At the university I attend, we have cognates with our CS degrees. I've already finished a Math Cognate, and I'm also going to do a minor, but I have to do courses separate from the cognate courses and the required CS math. This means I will have done as much math as a math major.

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Well, If I want the minor, next year I have to take Abstract Algebra, Numerical analysis, cryptography, and vector calculus.

smoky quest
vapid jay
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Do employers look at volunteer tutoring for university-based peer math learning programs. I was asked to be a peer learner, but the time commitment is ridiculous, and it's unpaid.

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However, if that kind of thing stands out on a resume, I'd imagine it will be worth it.

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These probably sound like ridiculous questions, but the time investment from me is massive. I need to make sure that I'm using this time correctly.

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So I think a better question would be if the math peer learning program isn't great, what would be a better investment of my time to stand out?

smoky quest
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That said, it can be a fun experience in itself and give you some insight in mentoring others

vapid jay
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hmm.

cunning trellis
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Does Unity support Python ?

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Or if it doesn't support Python, then which languages does it support?

honest pivot
smoky quest
nocturne snow
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Does anyone know if the salary for entry-level software engineers on levels.fyi/glassdoor are accurate for big tech in Europe?
I have an offer but unsure if I can use those numbers to negotiate, since they seem a bit off to me.

smoky quest
lusty radish
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hello

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i want to become a software developer and i am soo confused in this field so waht i can do

near ocean
cunning trellis
cunning trellis
cunning trellis
cunning trellis
cunning trellis
cunning trellis
lusty radish
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no i wanna to be a app developer or web developer

cunning trellis
lusty radish
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which pays high

cunning trellis
lusty radish
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ok thank you very much

cunning trellis
nocturne snow
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Fresh grad, but with masters degree and some industry experience

dense mesa
tranquil palm
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Hello i want to learn data analytics is it worth the time also i want to know is it too hard i have experience with web development but i want to learn a new growing technology can anyone help thankyou already

dense mesa
tranquil palm
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@dense mesa thankyou for your help

gilded valley
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remove personal info and post a picture of it here

gilded valley
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If it's for an internship, you definitely want to try and keep it to a single page

shadow mist
gilded valley
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and probably reduce the space given over to the HND, bring it down to only one line or two

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you can probably condense it by removing some stuff about the HND, about the admin assistant, and removing 1-2 bullet points from each of the personal projects

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these two could become "* Deployed application in multicloud setup using MongoDB Atlas, Docker, and a DigitalOcean Droplet"

graceful mason
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I'd personally put the academic project above your personal projects, and swap around the skills and education

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In my experience recruiters first care about what you can do, and then they care about who you are as a person. Their first glance at your CV will make sure that you have the skills and experience they need or prefer in a candidate, and once they have a list of people that fit that criteria they'll look at hiring who they think will fit in best at the company (based on interviews + more personal CV details)

That's why I think it's also important to put your skills right at the top

The academic project looks like some solid experience, and with CI/CD + scrum (which are both valuable things to show) are kind of a bridge between your professional experience and personal projects

void topaz
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How to start machine learning?

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From where should I start?

graceful mason
void topaz
dense mesa
vapid jay
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are there any python careers that would require math beyond high school level calculus

true harness
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not sure what "beyond high school level calculus" means, but data science will use lots of stats. machine learning will need* multivariable calc

*people will say you don't actually need it, but it will be useful for understanding

vapid jay
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it means topics typically not brought up in high school classes

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it has to be somewhat vague since not all high schools teach the same stuff

dense mesa
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If you're looking for ones that would not require that level, you can do a lot without understanding the fundamentals, or do something different like web development, security, backend

vapid jay
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thank you @dense mesa ๐Ÿ™‚

dense mesa
vapid jay
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those words mean nothing to me ๐Ÿ™‚

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so that sounds fun

dense mesa
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So pick random points, find the steepest downward gradient, travel in that direction and keep some momentum

vapid jay
swift veldt
wary wing
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hello
I just want to ask where is the best place I can become a master of Python?

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Iโ€™m currently a beginner who has learned all basics I want to improve my skills

shadow mist
# vapid jay I'm not sure what to say. Would you rather a stranger be honest with you or not ...

I always appreciate honesty, but statements without quantitative or qualitative backing arenโ€™t worth much. Usually when someone has some advice to give, it is usually proceeded with reasoning. Beyond that, I like to know who the person who the person giving the advise is and what theyโ€™ve accomplished in regards to what theyโ€™re speaking about (are you a director, senior, recruiter or at least a mid-level?) My point is that Iโ€™m open to advice as long as there is something to back it up and itโ€™s from a reputable person, thatโ€™s all.
I hope this doesnโ€™t come off too critical.

vapid jay
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Could you read what I wrote? I gave you examples. I took the time to help you. You have spelling mistakes and grammar mistakes. If you think your resume is acceptable, send it off, and don't waste people's time asking for help in the future.

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If you do want a job, I'd advise fixing the grammar. If your first language is not English which is fine, hire someone. Some websites will critically assess your resume for a minimal price. I would have done it for free before your reply.

vapid jay
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When coding, do you argue with the compiler or fix the issues and move on.

shadow mist
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thanks, not sure if ur last message is a question or statement

vapid jay
sleek cliff
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Iโ€™m looking to do some part-time work, but Iโ€™ve never done software dev professionally before. Where is a good place to start? Are there websites / tutorials I should be have a look at?

vapid jay
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@sleek cliff open source is where it's at, I've found. The Linux Foundation and google summer of code have mentor/mentee programs that are so good.

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I got a job doing a public talk on rop-exploitation to a room full of security professionals. I wrote an exploit live in c / asm, gave everyone handouts on x64 assembly, and did a small lecture on x64 before showing people how to rop. I find networking like this is enormous.

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Maybe your local city has a python club that does meetups, which is also great for networking. A quick google search is probably best for this "Python coding group meetups {my city}." Hack events are also an excellent place to meet recruiters.

sleek cliff
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Ok thanks! Iโ€™ll have a look into those resources

solemn mica
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I have to ask, is every computer science degree (excluding ivy league or the like) worth the same?

summer roost
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approximately. Very good or very well known schools are a bit better, but all accredited schools meet a common baseline

solemn mica
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I ask because I found an online 3 year degree on computer engineering from some online college in italy and it seems very affordable so I was really considering it

summer roost
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accreditation is the only thing that really matters - you'd need to do some research on the school to find out if the degree is or isn't recognized by any higher authority

solemn mica
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Okay that's actually a very smart idea, however, how would I do that?

summer roost
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that probably requires more knowledge of the Italian (or possibly European?) university system than I can personally offer.

solemn mica
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Fair enough, thank you for your guidance tho! You're very polite

graceful mason
true remnant
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is someone from Sydney?

wheat shard
smoky quest
smoky quest
graceful mason
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Out of interest what do people think are the best questions to ask in an interview, or to just get a good idea about what a company is like?

near ocean
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You could ask how long the position has been open for, whats the progression path in the company, what kind of metrics they use to assess employees

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If you get to talk to a team member thats not a manager you could potentially be a bit more straightforward in asking whats wrong with the company but they'll probably (definitely) talk about it with the team after the interview

dense mesa
near ocean
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First you ask if there is a crunch period lol, and then you dip if they say yes

vapid jay
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Hi, so I've been wondering about this for weeks. Let me start by telling that I'm a 15 year old highschool student right now, and I had two sort of plans of what to do after highschool.

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The first one being applying and trying to get into some of the Unis I've been researching about, for their Bachelors' program of Computer Science.

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What I'm wondering about is, what would be better. Trying to get internships? Or just getting any part-time jobs while I'm studying to handle my basic expenses? (since I plan on studying abroad). What would practically be the right choice?

I know, interns don't make any money, but if I manage to make it as an intern in a big company, would that be helpful?

near ocean
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Unpaid internships are not worth it, youre not a slave
If you can find a part time job in the industry while you study that would probably be better than an internship, but its also harder

vapid jay
gilded valley
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Unpaid internships are very uncommon in the tech industry in the uk, the eu, and the us

vapid jay
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I don't think I can find jobs in the industry (programming) without qualifications. Or can I?

near ocean
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You'll be a student, I've had classmates work part time jobs in the industry as devs, not interns
Its not unheard of, its just harder to find

vapid jay
near ocean
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Some dude was working part time as a quant at a hedge fund while we were doing our masters
It all depends on you, your grades and who you get to talk to at uni

pastel thunder
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How do i get an opportunity to publish a research paper under professors of top schools??

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I have tried cold email but no response.
I will agree email was a bit less engaging....

peak halo
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I published with one of my professors as an undergraduate because I was a student there, had niche domain experience outside of the degree program, and (most importantly in this context) contributed to a project that she was already interested to do.

pastel thunder
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I have done internships in mitsubishi rnd, wriiten one research paper(not yet published), have 8.05 gpa(topper has 8.67)

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And 3 other soft dev internships

peak halo
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what country is this? in the US, 4.0 is the "maximum" GPA (though it's possible to get slightly above it)

pastel thunder
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India
Its 10 point scale

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A tier 1 university, i should mention

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And 1 research internship

peak halo
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let's see if someone else has experience with this. I've never heard of anyone attempting something like this.

honest pivot
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(Also it will definitely get easier to think of things you want to ask if you've already had a job, particularly if there's anything that has ever annoyed you or made you wonder)

delicate bane
pastel thunder
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I dont have more than 5 or 6 months

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I want to apply in ms

dense mesa
pastel thunder
native narwhal
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so pretty much any path you choose will take 1-2 years or even 2+ to become really good at so why not choose what pays best? ๐Ÿ˜„
the problem here is that I don't know what will be in highest demand and what will pay most in 3 years...
If anyone knows tell me lol

pastel thunder
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AR/VR seems to be future to me, but thats just my opinion

native narwhal
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AR/VR has been the future for several years now ๐Ÿ˜„ even in 2016 there was a statement that tech companies will invest in any AR/VR startup ๐Ÿ˜„
so yeah if you look at it like that then everything is the FUTURE ๐Ÿ˜„

dense mesa
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Picking a career based on the best pay available seems like a good way to get burnt out quickly

native narwhal
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why isn't the coding demand bubble bursting

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how come there are still more and more developers needed
every damn website and mobile app has already been made ๐Ÿ˜„

delicate bane
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thats the equivalent of saying no more businesses should be created since we already have enough. kekHands

looks at startups and VCs kekHands

dense mesa
native narwhal
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ok maybe you are not into native iOS development but your reasoning sounds decent so I'd like you to weight in and tell me what you think about the future of jobs security in the native iOS development realm

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also this is a python server so I might be out of topic here so I'm sorry for that

dense mesa
#

Question isn't specific to a location or seniority level so I'd have to speculate a lot to say that the job security probably isn't going to get worse, but who knows if it'll get better

smoky quest
native narwhal
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you are so optimistic versus me being so pesimistic ๐Ÿ˜„
I used to be a chef for many years and I always knew that people need to eat and that people are bad at cooking so I felt safe but in tech I never feel safe idk why

smoky quest
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People who don't keep up are the ones who end up having issues

native narwhal
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so you are saying the root of my problem is trying to find an easy way for a problem that requires learning new things all the time and therefore I am headed a wrong way ๐Ÿ˜„

dense mesa
smoky quest
native narwhal
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do C developers keep learning or they stay relevant with pretty much the same knowledge for 20 years

smoky quest
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Languages are just tools. While most evolve and change over time, that's not where the value is as an engineer. The value will be in building houses, cars, satellites...

graceful mason
# native narwhal do C developers keep learning or they stay relevant with pretty much the same kn...

Just because the language doesn't necessarily change doesn't mean the application for the language won't change
C is used mostly in embedded systems - we've gone from making basic OSs to developing fully autonomous robots basically entirely in C. They're both made with the exact same language (mostly), but they use entirely different concepts (both at a hardware and real-world level) that require a lot of learning

smoky quest
#

(to add onto that, OS-es and the libraries around will change too and provide different things)

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Even GPGPU weren't a thing 20 years ago. New ways to interact with them and leverage them to a bunch of domains came up along the way

smoky quest
native narwhal
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The real reason why my head is a mess is because I am already good at something which is being a chef and now I try to find 1000 reasons to justify not going back to the kitchen ๐Ÿ˜„

#

transition across languages is one thing but in my case I transition to a whole diff industry

graceful mason
# smoky quest (to add onto that, OS-es and the libraries around will change too and provide di...

The same idea applies to iOS too - every time a new iOS version gets released apps are going to need updates to work, maybe the new version allows for additional features that they want to implement too. Some day iOS might slow down or get replaced, and you'll need to move to Android or whatever new system. Rather than considering yourself an iOS developer maybe you should consider yourself a mobile developer and learn as much as you can about mobile development

smoky quest
smoky quest
honest pivot
autumn nebula
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when can i ask something, or how to create new question?

smoky frost
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I am looking for any python, or web development oppurtunity

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Remote work how do i achieve it ?

delicate bane
# native narwhal transition across languages is one thing but in my case I transition to a whole ...

its been done before. there was actually someone, adrienne, who talked about this on a podcast https://codingwithknives.com/about/

These days, Iโ€™m a speaker and professional software engineer with an interest in documentation systems and a deep love of people. And yes, I still cook!

Currently, I work at Juice Analytics as Director of Engineering. Iโ€™m also the Director of Advancement for the Django Software Foundation, the non-profit board backing Django. I am a tech editor of the 2nd edition of Oโ€™Reilly Mediaโ€™s โ€œHead First Pythonโ€. In a past life, I managed corporate sponsorship for Read the Docsโ€˜ Write the Docs conferences, coordinated PyLadiesATL, and ran the โ€œYour Django Storyโ€ interview series for the Django Girls blog.

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she actually gets into the similarities between the two in some of her blogs

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i highly recommend listening to the podcast

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i think she said she had 10+ years experience in her previous industry before switching

undone grove
#

guys i dont wanna do front-end development, is doing only back-end a viable option?

dense mesa
undone grove
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with python for example, and is python a suitable language for learning dsa and algos

dense mesa
undone grove
smoky quest
undone grove
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ive been kind of burned out by just doing javascript so i wanted to learn this in another language, so I wanna choose between python or c#

dense mesa
#

You can just do backend

summer roost
# graceful mason Out of interest what do people think are the best questions to ask in an intervi...

People like to talk about themselves. Giving them an opportunity to talk about themselves will endear you to them. Interesting questions to ask, in no particular order:

  • Tell me about your work day.
  • How much time do you spend in meetings?
  • How long have you worked here?
  • How much time do you spend working from home vs in the office?
  • How many different teams have you worked on since joining this company?
  • What's your favorite thing about this job?
  • If you could change one thing about your job, what would it be?
  • What's your favorite thing that you've worked on here?
graceful mason
summer roost
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there's a lot of stuff that's neither maintenance nor innovation, but simply execution.

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that is, not everything new is innovative

graceful mason
summer roost
#

someone who makes a CRUD app from scratch is neither innovating nor maintaining.

smoky quest
#

I guess the underlying question is more about if you write new code or just fix bugs/maintain things

summer roost
#

right. You can write new code without "innovating", is my point. The gist of the question is fine, but I don't like its wording.

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I'd maybe phrase it as "How much time do you spend building new features or projects, versus maintaining and bug fixing existing ones?", or something like that.

graceful mason
summer roost
#

that wording also suggests that maintenance can't be innovative. Sometimes you need to innovate in order to keep things working.

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I've probably done more creative hacks in service of keeping something working than in service of building something new ๐Ÿ˜„

brittle thorn
pastel thunder
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I will then, i think have to brag a little(honest brag) in email then.....i have some good internship and research experience after all....all i want them for is their name on my paper. Its really their loss lmao, i can give them some good research

brittle thorn
brittle thorn
outer dragon
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I'm 34 and I'm trying to get a coding job. I never finished a college degree and have been a truck driver for the last 7 years. Should I put my high school diploma on my resume since it's the highest level of education I've completed? It feels weird to put it on there since it was so long ago

brittle thorn
summer roost
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Yes, you should put your highest level of education. It would be even more conspicuous in its absence.

outer dragon
summer roost
#

Well - do you have an answer for that question?

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It'll probably get asked, so you probably should have a plan about what you'll say when it does.

quiet fiber
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Hi, if you're a full stack web developer who works with a Python backend framework, would you be open to doing an informational interview with me? I'm interested in talking with someone who does that to get a sense of the day to day, the challenges, and the opportunities!

hollow folio
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heyyy if anyone here is a high school junior that would like to develop a cs project over summer (possibly an app) and has decent cs experience dm me :)

torpid saddle
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if you want to know specifics, I can tell you a bit about working with flask/django as backends for svelte/react apps

slim basin
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Hello I've been in IT for 5 years now and recently finished my Python PCEP & PCAP certs it seems like everything I'm finding as far as jobs want at least 3 years of "experience in relative field" or BCS. I'm a little confused on what I really need to be shooting for as far as jobs to apply for. (So far just been applying to whatever.) I only have some college in the study of Science.

harsh dragon
trail maple
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I have a question and I hope I'm in the right area. I'm in Python intermediate and it's a short term class that's 40 hours total. Whenever we have homework (exercises from Think Python 2e), I end up drawing a blank. Even with the intro class I took last year. I can't come up with the answers but I understand what's going on most of the time whenever I read the answers that are given. After that I take it answers break it down to understand it a little better. I read the assigned chapters and it doesn't seem to explain what's going on for me. Has anyone one gone through something similar? How do I get this freezing up to stop whenever I have to do these assignments and in general? Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

slow grail
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Does anyone know any CS internships/program for high school student in nyc that are still open for applicants?

smoky quest
rain walrus
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Hi i am self taught programmer, i love coding whether it is blockchain ,machine learning etc. My field of study and work is machine learning, i do not want to reveal my true identity and want to be anonymous but it is hard to earn money doing that because we have to show everything to our employers. How can i get a job without revealing much of my personal identity ?

smoky quest
graceful mason
smoky quest
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Also note that in the realm of machine learning and data science, it often means you get access to some pretty private/relevant data to the company. So being anonymous wouldn't be acceptable, on top of every other reasons

shell fable
smoky quest
ivory sluice
vapid jay
#

python

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no seriously

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well i mean that was the only answer to your question given the info you gave us(python is used for many different career routes)

dense mesa
#

You need to be a lot more specific with what career you're looking for

vapid jay
#

well after learning the "core"(by following an online course/guide) you have to follow a route by trying bits of them suiting your interests

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although that depends on how much time you have before you intend to get into the career business

dense mesa
#
vapid jay
#

well then all I can say is dont waste your time randomly learning stuff and pick a career path soon

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cause 3~4 months is cut a bit short given that you have to start from scratch

frigid isle
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Hello, just a question. How good must I be for contributing to the github of this Python Server ? I was thinking I can put it in my resume.

dense mesa
frigid isle
#

Ahh understood

dense mesa
#

Contribute good stuff first and then consider putting it on

frigid isle
#

Yeah I was actually thinking about that if it's allowed.

copper anvil
#

What is the most promising career choice

dense mesa
copper anvil
dense mesa
copper anvil
dense mesa
#

For me, I have settled on product management

copper anvil
dense mesa
copper anvil
copper anvil
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@dense mesa

brittle thorn
#

Start there then use that to motivate yourself to program stuff

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Or study stuff related to your interests

copper anvil
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So, can you suggest something to learn

brittle thorn
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Start a Github project like I did lmao on any topic be original

copper anvil
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Give me some AI tutorial thing, robots are taking over anyways

brittle thorn
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Then you already have an idea I guess

copper anvil
brittle thorn
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Look at youtube or hang out at Data Science and AI

copper anvil
dense mesa
# copper anvil What to learn, though, can you give me a link or something to something that's g...
copper anvil
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@brittle thorn Can I learn Numpy, SciPy, Pandas, MySQL and MatPlotlib from W3Schools?

brittle thorn
copper anvil
brittle thorn
copper anvil
brittle thorn
#

You maybe better off learning it yourself lmao do projects

copper anvil
#

๐Ÿคฎ

brittle thorn
#

YOLO for image recognition typical

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I think its version 5 nao

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Then you can also try various tookits for natural language processing

slim basin
dense mesa
dense mesa
pliant token
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I am a beginner.

dense mesa
#

Look at https://roadmap.sh and see which pathways interest you

true remnant
dim pelican
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If Iโ€™m in a college course but havenโ€™t got my degree yet can I put the projected degree on my resume for like LinkedIn or indeed?

near ocean
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Yes

dim pelican
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Perfect.

near ocean
#

That doesnt mean you make up the projected grade ofc, ask your tutor

summer roost
dim pelican
smoky quest
summer roost
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You have an associates degree and are working towards a bachelor's? Listing both the one you have and the one you're still working on makes sense.

nocturne cairn
#

if someone is self-taught in python with no prior development work experience. What can they expect when it comes to finding a development job?

dense mesa
nocturne cairn
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just getting a paying job. no salary expectations necessarily, just being able to actually meet whatever arbitrary qualification expectations employers tend to have.

dense mesa
#

It's probably gonna be harder to get your foot in the door, but once you do the process should be the same

nocturne cairn
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Is there anything one could do to make themselves more appealing?

summer roost
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What other experience do you have?

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And what level of education?

nocturne cairn
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it's actually for my wife. She is changing careers and self-teaching herself python. She has a bachelors and masters in education as her formal education

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I am a hobbyist developer myself so I've been helping her with grasping concepts and whatnot, but she sees some of these job postings and thinks she won't be able to land anything because everything wants like 3yrs experience which she isn't going to have anytime soon

dim pelican
near ocean
nocturne cairn
#

What can she expect as common hurdles for someone like her with no formal training? Is there anything she should do to make herself more marketable?

smoky quest
nocturne cairn
#

She wants to actually be writing code. She likes the problem solving and attention to detail that coding requires. She's not fond of teaching adults, so anything in T&D wouldn't be up her alley.

smoky quest
nocturne cairn
#

how much does demonstrated work compensate for a lack of CS degree?

smoky quest
# nocturne cairn how much does demonstrated work compensate for a lack of CS degree?

Professional experience is the most valuable.
After that, personal projects can help.

Note there isn't a fixed rule. It comes down to making the prospective employer feel safe.
From the employer's perspective, it's a lot more costly to hire someone who may not work out than to just pass on someone potentially great. So they won't hesitate to pass at any doubt.

nocturne cairn
nocturne cairn
smoky quest
smoky quest
summer roost
#

Switching careers is never really easy. It's a easier with programming than with many other industries since there's so much that can be self taught, but it's still not easy. A boot camp might be helpful in demonstrating sustained interest and developing entry level skills. An associates degree in CS would be useful if she can afford the time and money

nocturne cairn
# summer roost Switching careers is never really easy. It's a easier with programming than with...

That is encouraging. She is taking some courses on Udemy that an infosec friend of mine recommended. He seems confident he can get her a job once she gets a grasp of the language, but she's just not sure and is skeptical of putting so much trust into one person. Based on what everyone here has said though if she can build her GitHub portfolio with projects that demonstrate her proficiency with the language, that should be enough to demonstrate her skills and give prospective employers the confidence that they can trust her as a dev.

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Thank you all for your time and help.

vapid jay
#

Some friends told me there was no way I would get a Python web dev job with no degree or work experience and I should learn C# instead to better my odds

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Any truth to this

smoky quest
vapid jay
#

Because I donโ€™t have a degree lol

dense mesa
#

Are your friends working as programmers?

vapid jay
#

Yes but they use C# ๐Ÿ‘€

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Why would I be making it harder for myself by doing C#? Just by learning two languages you mean?

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This ist funny how its hyped

dense mesa
#

That's some pretty ungrounded information that they're giving you

vapid jay
#

Its a Job in high demand Like any other

dense mesa
vapid jay
#

Just sit with your ass and accumulate Screen time and experience,

dense mesa
#

Not having a degree will make parts of the application process tricky, but you'd be way better positioned to do web development than C#

dense mesa
vapid jay
#

Way better positioned to do web dev with python than C#?

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Isnt back end or Data Analyst a easier entry possibility?

dense mesa
vapid jay
dense mesa
#

With C#, you're looking at more corporate/enterprise level companies, which will definitely care more about no degree

vapid jay
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And know some JS, CSS, and HTML for front end stuff?

dense mesa
weak kindle
#

Hi

vapid jay
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Any advice where to learn in a group or Community together ?

dense mesa
#

You want a software related job, and have no degree
You are considering webdev with python/other languages vs C#

Their conclusion is that, with NO DEGREE, you should be doing C# instead of python to find work?

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Because unless I'm misunderstanding something, that advice is completely backwards (for the UK at least). Maybe there's a cultural difference where you are?

dense mesa
vapid jay
#

Payments and Requirements are extremly different in each region

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Their logic is that python jobs are more flooded with applicants so Iโ€™ll have a better shot at being selected, and C# is used by the big companies โ€œenterpriseโ€ as they called it

smoky quest
vapid jay
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It seems like it would take too long and be too expensive

smoky quest
dense mesa
dense mesa
smoky quest
dense mesa
vapid jay
#

Python has most positions Open and easiest language , a good Pick...

vapid jay
dense mesa
#

Chose engineering so I could go to a more reputable university, it made getting the first software role harder

vapid jay
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I Got 5 year Low IT working exp and a Master in Banking and Finance

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Was enough for a Senior Position between Dev and Front office