career-advice

[calm dawn]

on a more high-level view, at what point of competency(LC?) should I feel comfortable applying? I come from finance and although I want to believe I can learn somewhat quickly its difficult for me to say how I compare to let's say entry level

[summer roost]

I'd finish a data structures and algorithms course/book, and maybe read cracking the coding interview. After that, I'd start applying to some finance tech companies. The only way you'll ever really know if you're qualified for a job is by applying, and FinTech companies might take someone weaker in programming but stronger in finance knowledge for a coding position

[smoky quest]

Some ways to determine how you compare:

• Go through interviews and feel the type of questions you get and what you can and cannot answer. That can guide you, although can be painful at times
• Look at the job ads for your targeted roles and the required skills
• Look at curriculum for Bachelor in CS for your country

For the pure LC part, you can assume being able to get a medium under ~20min. Sometimes you may be asked a hard here and there

[calm dawn]

So, read a ton of documentation and get real familiar with the algos, try to get mediums <20 mins and hards <30 and pray to alan turing something works out

[smoky quest]

something like that.
And don't discourage! CS is science and it takes years to master. So you should expect some effort to acquire that knowledge. But it's also fun and rewarding

[calm dawn]

Yup, i agree, it feels great to click submit and see the all tests passed haha, I just want a good foundation and a path that goes somewhere instead of just walking in circles

[smoky quest]

yeah. To be honest, you are doing it the hard way

[calm dawn]

whats the easy way >_>

[summer roost]

One nice thing about a finance background is that there are many finance companies that do a lot of tech stuff (or vice versa depending on how you look at it), which makes it easier to leverage your previous experience than for a lot of people making career switches

[smoky quest]

School 😉
But changing field mid career is already tough in itself

[calm dawn]

pikachu face

[summer roost]

I say this as someone who works at a FinTech company. I know a few people who've jumped from the data analysis side to the software engineering side.

[calm dawn]

@summer roost are you familiar with the CFA certification?

[summer roost]

Pretty much everyone who gets a CS degree lands a job in software dev. It's definitely the smoothest path.

[summer roost]

Vaguely

[calm dawn]

I see... welp, it doesnt matter that much i suppose. I will start reading and come back with questions. Thanks a ton you two

[summer roost]

It's not my area, I've always been on the software side

I just know people who've made the leap to my side from the financial analysis side 🙂

Having someone on the dev team who knows the finance and math can bea great help even if they're the weakest coder on the team, just in terms of preventing mistakes and being able to implement algorithms properly on the first try and such

[calm dawn]

looks at @calm dawn
weakest coder
yikes

If i were to join a team i would strive to NOT be the weakest coder, i admit i might not be the strongest but i will be damn if im not pulling my weight haha

[summer roost]

Teams aren't made of 100% junior developers. Whatever team you wind up on, you'll likely be the weakest, or at least in the bottom two. But that's ok, because you'd learn more over time, and other juniors would get hired that know less than you, and eventually you'd become one of the stronger coders on the team through persistence and growth

[calm dawn]

but i suppose not everyone is a coding god, still need the finance side

True... its all about the journey

[summer roost]

Remember that this is a skill you've only recently been trying to pick up, and the other people on your team will either be people who did 4 years of school for it, or people who've been doing it professionally for 5 or 10 years.

[calm dawn]

i mean, i have a grand total of like... 2 months? i feel pretty ok for my time

[summer roost]

"weakest" wasn't meant as a value judgment, just an objective analysis of the skills breakdown on an average team.

[calm dawn]

Anyways, @summer roost thanks for the insight. It truly broadened(?) my view and gave me some direction

i will read the MIT algo book and come back, im sure i will have questions and hopefully i can take some of your (or others!) time

[smoky quest]

A software engineer is so much more than just writing code. There are skills related to communication, organization, or able to figure out what matters
You can see some of these other skills in career ladders like https://dropbox.github.io/dbx-career-framework/overview.html

[ancient star]

I'm now reading that MIT book. Cheers.

[astral ermine]

Out of all the ways I've tried to study, I think just reading a book and doing the exercises is the best way.

Not "just", sorry. Use as many resources as time permits. But if you had to do just one, a book is great.

[sudden quartz]

@calm dawn It doesnt have to be CS. Any tech/eng/math major will land you a job pretty easily

[drifting oasis]

im noob sry

[vapid jay]

hi I'm mechanical engineer, but i want to kearn and grow in ML

suggestions please

[simple zealot]

Please can anyone tell me i want prepare for interview as python developer. can you tell me some good resources?

[quartz shuttle]

@vapid jay You could look at this link

https://developers.google.com/machine-learning/crash-course

It is free and you don't even need to sign up, but it is the best online course that I have found. It has interactive simulations that really help you start off understanding.

[clear loom]

This is quite good, thanks! I'd also recommend Coursera's machine learning course by Andrew Ng, it's in Octave but there is a python version maintained by the community. Also free along with exercises/quizzes. It's super deep as well

[kind cove]

Thank you thank you

[quartz shuttle]

@clear loom I checked the Coursera course. Which is the Python one?

[gritty rivet]

What you need depends on a) the job and b) where you're at. So read the job description, etc. and search for lists of interview questions based on relevant keywords (they are endless and easy to find)

[clear loom]

https://www.coursera.org/learn/machine-learning

you can do the assignments in python instead of octave: https://github.com/dibgerge/ml-coursera-python-assignments

[quartz shuttle]

ohhh thanks

Also, I was wondering how I could find internships in Machine Learning?

[nimble tulip]

No you can’t

Entry level doesn’t exist in the field. Get multiple years experience in DS first perhaps, this is coming from a PG

In London

[pseudo bone]

could anyone suggest where i can find team members for kaggle competitions

[nimble tulip]

Are you beginner, intermediate or advanced?

[pseudo bone]

beginner

[clear loom]

this is tough, people also end up trying the same for data science but entry level openings are very low. data analytics on the other hand though, is quite good for racking up some experience

[nimble tulip]

If you want to we can team, have you done titanic yet?

[true harness]

how can entry level not exist in a field. what other way to start is there

[nimble tulip]

Because it doesn’t? They only hire people for ML roles who have experience in other areas of data science

You could say fighter pilot isn’t an entry level field because you have to be an airliner pilot first

[true harness]

but you don't

[nimble tulip]

For every 1 job in data science there are 500 applicants, 90% of those applying to then have 0 experience

[true harness]

a quick search of indeed.com shows 30+ machine learning internships in my area, and I'm not even in a tech city

[nimble tulip]

Machine learning engineer is literally reserved for those with years of experience in data science

My dude, I have a masters in this field, I know what’s up in the job market, this is the UK, maybe america is a lot better

[true harness]

maybe that accounts for the difference

[nimble tulip]

There are zero I mean 0 Ml internships in my country

It’s quite interesting that there are 30 of them in your area

[true harness]

well if I look in Seattle it goes to 1600+

[quartz shuttle]

I remember googling it and I didn't find a single one, but my friend mentioned that through her father's contact she had gotten one

[nimble tulip]

Apply to all of them I’d love to see how many offers you get

[true harness]

I'm not qualified :P

[nimble tulip]

Even if you were you’d get none

[true harness]

right, they have job ads and don't accept anyone

[peak halo]

I think what supermoon is saying is that they usually don't hire fresh graduates/non-degree holders for ML jobs with the expectation that they'll learn ML all on the job, and that you have to get tangible ML experience either in academia or while working a different job.

[nimble tulip]

Hence why it’s not entry level

[true harness]

maybe we have different definitions of entry level

[nimble tulip]

Half of those from my MS go into being data analysts for at least a year afterwards

[peak halo]

It appears that you do. Isn't language fun 😄

[nimble tulip]

And all of them have ML hands on experience from the course

Even positions literally created for graduates in my country have literally thousands of applicants per role

[vapid jay]

Any good mailing lists you’ve joined that is useful?

[clear loom]

depends on what they mean by "machine learning internships", better not be something like Java Developer job posting

[vapid jay]

heya guys

I wanted ask if I can understand quantum computer using python?

[true harness]

even if half of those were not actual ML internships, that's still a far cry from 0

[onyx locust]

quantum computing is better off understood through the fpls, i would strongly recommend q# as it has native qubits unit

[dense mesa]

This isn't the case for the UK 😅

[clear loom]

yah but supermoon's point still hands, you don't just become a surgeon after reading a few books about surgery

[vapid jay]

But google provides a module "Cirq" for Quantum computing which is native to python
Link: https://quantumai.google/cirq

[onyx locust]

id probably use that one the

but seeing how python isnt the fastest, id probably stick to q# but its personal preference honestly, both are just frameworked concepts

[true harness]

I never said or implied anything like that. he said internships don't exist, I said they do exist.

[vapid jay]

hmm okay then q# it is

[sharp thunder]

Hi guys so I’ve been a little slow jumping from sys admin to junior python devop, but would I learn more by just doing python projects in GitHub instead of just watching educational videos? I basically know python, just learning Django and web devop

[toxic venture]

Just completed my first ever 9 months of working as an Application Developer. I initially took this job because I was desperate (personal reasons) straight out of college.

After my time here I realized how beginner I was and I still am but I've put my hear and soul into learning new technologies and even going for some marketable certifications.

The thing is I'm not happy with my salary at the moment so I'm casually exploring the job market right now but I'm thinking I should wait until I finish the 1 year mark to put in more energy into joining another company in hopes for better pay.

Also, another reason is that I would need to go back to office soon (hybrid), but that would also mean moving to another state which I really really don't want to. Specifically that specific state lol

What do you suggest?

[smoky quest]

any opportunity to inject some python in your current role?
Like scripts, management of the services and infra and machines, etc.

[sharp thunder]

I wish but no, we just use sql here. But not really a fan of it

[smoky quest]

Are you a sysadmin or a dba?

[delicate bane]

[sudden quartz]

Rofl

[delicate bane]

sql is like vegetables

[clear loom]

it's healthy for you but you avoid it all the time 💀

[analog sun]

Hello, this channel is for discussing careers. Check out #discord-bots for more focused feedback and help.

[dense ridge]

ty

[vapid jay]

will you get banned if you say that java is better

[past nova]

Can I become decent at progrsmming in 1.5 year?

[vapid jay]

no

if you start from scratch

[analog sun]

No, but you will be told that this is off topic for the channel.

[past nova]

Im like a intermediate ar python

[vapid jay]

well it depends on how much effort you put into learning it and how smart you are

[past nova]

whats a good learning styles?

[vapid jay]

hm

[past nova]

currently i just learning stuff through project to another project

[clear loom]

that's probably the best way to learn

[vapid jay]

school is fine but paid online courses ar ebetter

but if you already know all the mechanics

[clear loom]

Disagree, most of them are pretty basic and teach you what you can learn for free

[past nova]

oh my school horrible at teaching
things related to this

[vapid jay]

yea but they do it better

[clear loom]

linkedins certificate meta is quite possibly the worst

sit through a video, answer 2 questions, and get a certificate 👏

[vapid jay]

if you know how python works then just keep on doing that

[past nova]

how python works

[vapid jay]

yea like all the functions

[past nova]

oh

[vapid jay]

syntax n stuff damn this slowmode

[past nova]

I thought the fundamental mechanics of python yea its so slow

anyway, after i get decent at python, then what

[vapid jay]

then learn a new language

[past nova]

interesting

[vapid jay]

its the same just different syntax

in most cases

[past nova]

I feel like im learning so slow

[honest pivot]

There are lots of Python packages for it. Cirq is one. Also Qisket. Probably others as well.

[vapid jay]

how much time do you spend on programming a day

[past nova]

2.5 hour at most

[vapid jay]

huh thats good but as i said it depends on how smart you are

[past nova]

thats what i meant. I dunno cirq, qisket, quantum blah blah xD

[honest pivot]

Write longer messages with more content, this isn't a conversation channel

[past nova]

well

[vapid jay]

yea its quite annoying whats the point of making it so long raids?

[past nova]

you're experienced programmer?

[analog sun]

The high slow mode is to encourage users to write out longer messages with more content in them, as they relate to #career-advice . The recent messages here are certainly off-topic for this channel. I would recommend moving to #ot1-perplexing-regexing .

[vapid jay]

whats that channel name lmao alr see ya there

[indigo coyote]

il y a un chat vocal ?

[past nova]

xd

[smoky quest]

yes, there is a"voice" section in the list of channels

[indigo coyote]

thank you 🙂

[sharp thunder]

@smoky quest I am a system admin

[past nova]

ok

[smoky quest]

Can you expand a bit more on your current role and responsibilities?

[sharp thunder]

@smoky quest so that’s actually the main reason why I want to leave and pursue a junior python dev job because I asked and was already denied. So I’m trying to do Django projects and transfer them to GitHub and apply like crazy

[smoky quest]

The thing is SQL shouldn't be the first thing that come to the mind of a sysadmin describing their job.
So I am trying to understand what you are actually doing.

django is great for a python dev role, but may not be as relevant as other python related skills for devops

[sharp thunder]

@smoky quest ohhh so for my job in particular, I patch and maintain systems databases, troubleshoot and solve technical issues, identify and access sso, saml, work on azure ad and deployments, monitor for any threatening viruses and malware’s using SIEM, patch servers, DNS, FTP,LDAP, exchange,

These are some of the things I do in my role along with others. Hm so if I wanted to get junior role, What other relevant python related skills should I also learn?

[smoky quest]

Are all of these things done manually?
Are there are a lot of the resources?

[delicate bane]

interesting. have you taken a look at SRE roles?

[nimble tulip]

Yes it is

[summer roost]

How about https://jobs.eu.lever.co/cambridgequantum/6aea876f-ff73-4ecc-ae24-fd22b76b1eca ?

[sharp thunder]

@smoky quest it’s both manually and automatic, I prefer to the do tasks at times manually cause that’s how I learn better and see the problem right there. As for resources, not that much as we are a small company that’s growing

@delicate bane and I have not taken a look at SRE roles actually. Are they just like devop roles? Or?

[delicate bane]

many times they are, sometimes they arent; just depends on the company i think

like at our company SRE vs. DevOps is a bit separated

[delicate bane]

that looks intense but sounds really cool at the same time

[sharp thunder]

@delicate bane hmm so would it be a good transfer from sysadmin to that compared to DevOps?

[delicate bane]

it just depends on what you want to do in the end i believe. i think i will defer to recursive tho since they have more exp

[smoky quest]

In all these operations, there are tons of opportunities to automate and insert some python and more related devops skills.
Starting out manually is great as you mentioned to get a hands on them, but they are also opportunities for some python 😉

[smoky quest]

devops and SRE are somewhat related and often conflated.
Remember that devops is not a role in theory. But it didn't matter on linkedin.

Regardless of the title, it would be a great move for you to get more development experience and automating some parts of your job is a great excuse to do so professionally

[nimble tulip]

Wow awesome, I’ll look into that but I think they’ll be after phds

[dense mesa]

I know of 3 people at different unis, all undergrad, 2 don't even study CS, and they're doing ML internships this summer

Anecdotes aside, my uni regularly sends through internship opportunities for undergrads, and there's around 10-15 ML internships per email round

[safe loom]

Quantum ML? Already?

Ngl that looks awesome. Makes me regret not picking raw mathematics/physics.

[gilded valley]

Anecdotes aside here's another anecdote

[graceful mason]

When I was looking for internships there were tons of ML ones available, particularly around London
The company I ended up working for also had plenty of positions

[ancient star]

I actually sent that internship to a friend of mine that fits the description. Cheers.

[pseudo bone]

can i pm you ?

[pseudo bone]

and yes i am done with titanic

[dense mesa]

What?

[dense hornet]

Via the pycodersWeekly newsletter I found the skilltree package to build a video-game styled skill tree and started playing around with it and then I wondered, is there anything like that already for python (as a whole or parts of it?) Like a section for writing REST APIs, a section for database interaction, scientific computing / data science with pandas and numpy etc.?

[dense mesa]

https://roadmap.sh

[dense hornet]

I guess that would also be cool for career to kinda play through python

[dense hornet]

thanks

thats a really cool website thank you, the backend roadmap is a great overview 🙂

[dense mesa]

Should definitely be pinned here I think

[formal dune]

Hi you amazing Python developers!!!

I’m in IT Talent Acquisition for Gartner Inc., and our Chief Data Office team is seeking a Sr. Software Engineer with proficiency in AWS and Python - specifically to work in an RDS environment.

It’s a fully remote (must be based in US) opportunity with great career growth, and you’ll be joining an awesome team as well!

Happy to discuss further should you be interested! Feel free to apply directly or reach out to me via email at [e-mail]. Thx!!

https://gartner.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/EXT/job/Stamford/Sr-AWS-Software-Developer_63226

[nimble tulip]

How exactly are these obtained? I've just applied to a basic tech graduate programme and was rejected within 24 hours. Infact, I've applied to countless similar positions with zero luck... I'm super curious how non CS UNDERGRADS are landing ML internships.

If possible, please provide company names because I'd love to apply - have never seen ML internships which will take on undergraduates, I'm a postgrad and cannot land these

[nimble tulip]

Yeah, sure

[dense mesa]

You apply and do some lc style questions, my friends mentioned some questions about constructing models/basic network architecture.

To answer your other question, Tik Tok is going big on their ML internships (undergrad applicant doing maths got an offer), Amazon is as well

I don't study CS and was getting linkedin inmails for MLE positions due to my 3rd year project using CNNs and transfer learning

[nimble tulip]

I did apply to amazons graduate role 2022 start, rejected sadly. I will look up TikTok but I am telling you right now it sounds like bullshit - I put 2 years of DA experience + ML expertise from my masters on one of my CVs and even that isnt enough to land a single one

For linkedin its more me spamming anyone I can possibly connect with...

[dense mesa]

Was your uni a target/semi-target?

[nimble tulip]

Yes

My current uni i should say, Im on my last semester at the end of the month.... russel group

[dense mesa]

Are you not getting through CV screens or is it further on?

[nimble tulip]

I cannot even find the internships you mention, but the general data science ones? Theyre almost always screens, but I had made it to the final stages (assessment center or final task) for a few grad schemes

IBM opened theirs yday, was rejected just now

I'd say for 75% I make it past the screen and early assessments before, but for ML internships I doubt I would make past the screen at all so you understand why I am skeptical about your bachelors friends landing them

They must have a magical ass CV...

[delicate bane]

it is hella competitive so im sure the types of projects you do have to make you stand out. good luck dude.

i find that for those, they tend to look for a certain specialty tho, like CV, NLP, etc.

[dense mesa]

I can understand being sceptical but it doesn't really benefit me to misinform people about this. If you send your CV (with any personal/identifying info removed) maybe some other people can take a look as well

[nimble tulip]

The Tiktok one I am looking at right now, they say it’s for bachelors students in their last year but I’m masters.. they want June available too sadly I’ll be working on thesis then so I guess not gona apply

I could never get my head around just who is it who manages to land graduate schemes at Netflix or Deloitte or internships at Microsoft if I am not good enough

What are these people like…

I was turned down by PwC at the assessment centre by failing the 121 interview 😅 instead of asking me about data science they asked me about work situations

[dense mesa]

My experience was that you get good at firing off applications/short cover letters, and you start getting a feel for the OAs/SJTs/whatever they throw at you

It's just a numbers game and making sure you can show why you're coachable, can add value, won't be bad for the company etc

[nimble tulip]

Sort of sick of being treated like a kid by these HRs tho..

Just really want to get over the initial hurdle of experience and low seniority so no longer have to do this dance

last week I was told 'not passionate enough to make a difference'

[dense mesa]

From their perspective, they're kinda detached from day-to-day activities of what they're actually hiring for, and it's literally just their job to go through mounds of applications and cut it down to size

[dense mesa]

Yeah there'll be whatever corporatespeak when you don't meet a criteria and they can't be bothered to give meaningful feedback

[nimble tulip]

BTW I applied to every grad programme in the october cohort so its kinda demoralizing to get 0 offer

[dense mesa]

https://ardalis.com/profit-center-or-cost-center/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15740926

nikolasavic

The Cost Center Trap

Hacker News · Nov 20, 2017, 4:10 PM

[dense mesa]

Completely, it's a terrible way to get treated during the application season

[nimble tulip]

its either easter application success or nepotism

Huh, tik tok are asking for a referral code

[dense mesa]

Maybe get a careers advisor at your uni to look through your CV before graduating? They're usually not great but can be okay. Otherwise, ask your CS society, any people you know who are career-oriented etc

[nimble tulip]

Bruh, I asked my father

[sudden quartz]

Well if youre mathematics, thats who they may be looking for anyway. But are you sure youre getting legittimate recruiters in your DMs? Theyre either bot tier or you go to MiT

[dense mesa]

This is the most recent one

[sudden quartz]

Are you even senior level? This is crap

[dense mesa]

You start most conversations in here with this tone so I'm not carrying on this one

[ivory sluice]

let's end this unproductive session

[sudden quartz]

Apparently im hurting feelings by helping someone realize these sort of messages are sent to everyone and are time wasteful. If you arent getting offers its a waste of time. There is no reason a recruiter would dm an entry level looking for a senior position besides rote mass contact.

[ivory sluice]

!ban 791719323538292737 you're free to doubt the validity or intentions of DMs that a user is getting from recruiters. what's not acceptable is your repeated condescension towards community members. regardless of whatever value you may add to the discussions here, the price we're paying is not worth it. given your long history of offenses you've exhausted any goodwill.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @sudden quartz permanently.

[delicate bane]

anyway, to change topics, lets say..."my friend" has a SWD internship this summer and the tech stack is frontend react, backend python, and aws lambda.

hes trying to get ready by learning react and checking out aws lambda. are there other things he should keep in mind? like git and testing?

[true harness]

you reacted to yourself 😔. i think all devs should have a basic understanding of unittesting and git

[smoky quest]

database could be something.
The most straightforward approach would be to ask them directly 🙂

[mortal wedge]

Need some advice. I work with data analytics and my work has come under fire recently. I've always strived to give the most accurate and precise data possible, but my predecessor let's say... massaged data to make it look better than it actually is. So one client is making quite the hullaballoo and is claiming that the new version of our analytics that I created is deficient.

It's time consuming to prove it, because his data cheats are buried within thousands of lines of unstructured C code. I've managed to find one or two so far, but not enough to explain how good the data looks coming out the other side. Not sure how to proceed.

[smoky quest]

CYA and talk to your manager
Cheating clients should raise a lot of alarms and may potentially harm the trust your client has in your employer

[mortal wedge]

Agreed. It causes the company to lose some credibility, which I think means my best play is to prove it beyond any shadow of a doubt. My manager is aware of the broad strokes and has given me time to find the cheats, but I don't know how much time that buys me.

[delicate bane]

sorry thats just who i am . and thats what ive been told so been trying to get better at it. i 100% like the hypothesis library and its whole concept of property-based testing

[smoky quest]

and also some liability at play

[mortal wedge]

Yeah, it's definitely not great

[smoky quest]

I would decompose this in two parts:

• Internal investigation into the scope of that problem. Then how to remediate it
• How to manage the customer investigation

[delicate bane]

ill ask. the guy is pretty cool. im more familiar with databases than the average cs undergrad i would say.

im somewhat interested in Data Engineering too

[smoky quest]

nice! databases and related data management are an undervalued skill

[mortal wedge]

Data engineering is a good topic to know the basics about, for any developer imo

Because chances are you'll have to work with a data engineer in your career

[delicate bane]

as much as i suffered in my databases class, part of me enjoyed it. plus my prof liked that i used MongoDB for my project when 90% of the class chose to just do papers rather than project

[delicate bane]

what if you become the data engineer

[ivory sluice]

@vapid jay we don't allow recruitment, please check out our #rules
you also may be in the wrong channel, this is career-discussion

[waxen cypress]

hey um im still in senior high and im looking for opinions about cyber security and about electronics engr for college

[smoky quest]

they both cool.
It depends on a lot of factors, especially with regards to your interests

[delicate bane]

idk too much about cybersecurity (planning to take a class this summer) but some found this graphic useful https://www.cyberseek.org/pathway.html

[waxen cypress]

could i pursue cybersecurity as a career if i had a computer science degree?

or degree in IT?

[near ocean]

Yes

[smoky quest]

With a degree in computer science, you can do pretty much anything

[ivory sluice]

papers on databases?

[delicate bane]

it is legit the driest thing ive ever seen. and i had a publication once in my past life.

[graceful mason]

Not sure if they'll still be recruiting for this year but Ocado has lots of data related internships and grad roles
https://careers.ocadogroup.com/careers/search-and-apply?location=328&category=Engineering and technology

[mystic onyx]

does anyone know a good place to find some scripts?

[grand bay]

bo tol o' wo ta

[ivory sluice]

hello - you may be lost. this is career-discussion

[summer roost]

There's a fair amount of luck when it comes to who lands jobs at big name companies like that. For companies that are household names (OK, maybe not Deloitte, but certainly Netflix and Microsoft) they can throw away 9 out of every 10 resumes they get for any given job and still have a deep pool of talent to draw from.

[summer roost]

Honestly, you probably dodged a bullet with that one. "Passionate" seems reasonably likely to be code for "willing to work extra hours for free"

[summer roost]

for an internship, companies are expecting to need to teach you stuff. Anything you know already going into it will certainly be a bonus, but you don't need to cram for an internship. git and testing are both very useful things to know in general. aws lambda and react are both highly used, but less generally applicable.

[delicate bane]

interesting, yeah i mostly got it bc of my ML background but i do want to see if i like dev work, so im mostly going to try to get as much out of this experience as possible - mainly why im learning the other stuff, or at least the basics

[ancient star]

I keep seeing git mentioned, and I've been reading this book, so for anyone interested... https://git-scm.com/book/en/v2

(I apologize ahead of time if this isn't allowed.) 😄

[delicate bane]

ideally, by the end of the internship, i should have enough ability to prototype some stuff where i can incorporate some of the ML/AI stuff into some basic prototype-like apps

[summer roost]

@mortal wedge I agree with all of this, but I'd also say that even in a small company, you should be able to rely on your manager to run interference on the client/upper management for you. If you're confident in your numbers, tell your boss so, and start enlisting them for help against the client/upper management. To the best of your knowledge your data is correct. You'll continue to research causes of discrepancies between the old analytics and the new analytics, but you've already found several bugs (you probably shouldn't admit to outright cheating), and you're confident there are more.

[delicate bane]

oh nice, the og site is always good. ive been reading atlassian's guide for git

their visuals are really helpful

[ancient star]

I have that bookmarked as well. I tend to collect bookmarks of anything that sounds remotely interesting.

[summer roost]

When I was first learning git, I found https://jwiegley.github.io/git-from-the-bottom-up/ really useful. Granted, I learned git after I had already learned data structures and algorithms, and after having learned SVN, so what helped me understand git might not be helpful to someone else.

I actually find that starting from the bottom up is the best way to learn a lot of complex systems. When I need to make sense of an application I've never seen before, the first thing I look at is the database schema.

knowing what data is being stored and how it's organized can tell you a lot about a system.

[calm dawn]

I am but a mere baby in the world of data, but if im looking at something for the first time, porgrams, databases, etc, i want to go to the most basic data source and "follow" it and see where it goes... looking at the output sometimes can leave you confused if you dont even know what it is you are looking at

[delicate bane]

data lineage

jk that may or may not be a hype word. you have to ask a real data engineer for details

[summer roost]

I don't think I've ever heard "data lineage", but I have heard "data provenance"

[calm dawn]

i havent heard of either, google.search()

welp, my google fu skills are weak, wikipedia has them both under the same article, so i suppose they are equivalent

[delicate bane]

i think the only thing is data lineage includes metadata which isnt always the case for provenance.

anyway, speaking of which, would you say data engineering is actually a new-ish field or not? it looks somewhat promising or is that just hype?

[calm dawn]

I think data enginering has been around a while, its just that now we have the tools,the sheer volume of data and math brain power to actually properly engineer it

[delicate bane]

would you say DBAs are the original data engineers or is that not the right mindset?

also i feel like the cloud adds a whole other dimension to this

[calm dawn]

well

this might be reductive, but what do you consider a database? if i could transcribe all my tables into my notebook, would that count? if so, the original engineers are way out there in ancient egypt trying to predict stock for famine or something

on a more serious note, i am not too sure if finding out who did it first even matters... what i DO know is that data and those can use it at high levels will forever be needed, i only see society/business/gov needing more data as time passes

heck, i made a small ML program to predict future competitive pokemon once i have their BST,nature, typing and ability... cant have my friends beat me in pokemon can i

now imagine beating things but think bigger, think famine, energy, drought.... with data we can help scientist with big brains get/do/compile the tests/sims they need so we can better the world

in the end, code and data are tools that help us push and achieve great things... /end rant

[delicate bane]

yeah i feel like many times people can get stuck in the semantics. i 100% agree with you. i think data is where its at next. just gotta unlock it. but im biased so just wanted to check myself before i wreck myself.

[summer roost]

isn't data where it was at previously, also?

that is, has there ever been a time where being better informed hasn't been better?

[grave depot]

how hard is ti to get into cs masters

[summer roost]

if you did well in a cs bachelors, easy.

[grave depot]

i do math

with cs electivesa aroudn 3.5-3.6 gpa with a thesis

[buoyant seal]

What are the good questions to ask to company? I remember here were good questions

[buoyant seal]

Every time when I am invited for interview to UAE, i am having an imposter syndrome. Like... why would I be invited to there, when they have means to buy everyone the best 🤔 May be their recruiters are just paid for the amount of interviews?

[summer roost]

... United Arab Emirates?

[buoyant seal]

yeah, i am already having two interviews scheduled to there

[summer roost]

where are you from?

[buoyant seal]

from russia, and I consider my skills only at some middle starting level

I would have thought they would not take anyone below senior, with their money. I would say even super senior ;b

[summer roost]

there's always a market for junior developers, though I'd expect there to be enough junior developers within any given country to not have to reach out to people from other countries

[buoyant seal]

we have really easy visa control, it could be one of the reasons
I can travel to UAE without visa

[summer roost]

but, that said, I know relatively little about the state of things in the middle east, so... 🤷

[summer roost]

can you work there without a visa?

often travelling is easier than working.

[buoyant seal]

I don't think so. But with job offer it should be easy to acquire I think

[summer roost]

true.

well, entirely outside of my wheelhouse. I have no idea why companies in the UAE would be trying to attract candidates living in Russia.

that seems like a surprisingly wide net to cast, but presumably there's some reason.

[buoyant seal]

Well. I consider it is as a free interview experience into foreign countries.
regardless of the outcome, I am still winning

[summer roost]

... especially if you're an age where conscription is a risk.

[buoyant seal]

What that could do with it?

I am free from my country army, unless there is national all-country mobilization (which should happen only during WW3). At least for the next 8 years I am still under risk to be recruited.

[summer roost]

that's fine, then. If you were an age where working in another country might help you to avoid fighting and dying in another country, that would be a serious pro in favor of working in another country, at least in my book.

[buoyant seal]

well yeah, but it should be easier to handle
I mean, they made a law to except all IT personnel from the recruitment

I just need to be hired into any IT company at the moment, and that would be it

[summer roost]

I wasn't aware; that's good to know.

[buoyant seal]

But there is a different problem. I need to get hired into any company that deals with AWS, and just has means to foreign technologies.
Working in any Russian only company... looks like dead end to my career at this stage tbh
AWS and working full time in DevOps only role, that what I need

[summer roost]

and just has means to foreign technologies
From a sanctions perspective, you mean?

[buoyant seal]

from sanctions and from payment perspective. Due to unavailibity to pay for any foreign services if they do not support bank transfers or UnionPay, most of things became unavailable too

[summer roost]

right. Yeah, makes sense.

[buoyant seal]

I just wish to get into literally any company outside of the country.
Russia is falling apart. Economic collapse can be quite close

New strict laws appear all the time in the recent days

We are forbidden to take more than 10'000$ out of our bank accounts in foreign currencies for the next half of a year
We are obligated to sell 80% of incoming foreign currency into roubles
We are forbidden to transfer our money to outside of country

[vapid jay]

hi

i wanna learn python, any luck?

[buoyant seal]

I just wish to open bank account outside of country, so I could save money for immigration.
Getting any currency inside my country is like getting virtual non existent money now.

[summer roost]

Sure, try #python-discussion. This channel is about jobs and careers, not just getting started.

[vapid jay]

ty!

[summer roost]

I wish I could help, but I have no particularly relevant advice to offer. Beyond the observation that perhaps recruiters in the UAE are trying to capitalize on the situation in Russia.

[smoky quest]

You may want to reach out to some of the people named in this article https://restofworld.org/2022/inside-russias-sudden-tech-exodus/
There may also be other efforts.

But yeah, that sounds rough

[summer roost]

... if you do reach out to people with the specific goal of emigrating, you may want to use a VPN.

[buoyant seal]

I do all the time. Self hosted wireguard VPN

[summer roost]

👍 Seemed worth mentioning the opsec point of view, but sounds like you've got it handled.

[buoyant seal]

My computer file-system is fully in encrypted mode.
And once I would be leaving, I will be sure to clean the smartphone from any messangers and messages when going to airplane

[summer roost]

❤️ That's a really tough situation. Good luck.

[buoyant seal]

Thanks. I will just keep an open mind and will make sure to grab any available opportunity 😉 And I will work on increasing the chances of those opportunities.

WOOOOHOOOOO!

My first interview into UAE. Thankfully we understood each other and communicated freely.

I was a bit of worried if my verbal skiils are up to the task

I mean, I talked with other people before, but considering how all people have all kind of difficult accents, there is no guarantee that I will be speaking freely with any person

[tiny sinew]

🎉

[brittle thorn]

Good luck

[vapid jay]

carrer

[winged lichen]

hello, I aspire to be Market Research Analyst. It requires Analyzing data and data visualization. I have very minimal knowledge on programming languages. Where Can I learn python for above stated tasks which doesn't require having previous experience?

[summer roost]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[buoyant seal]

Do you think it would be better searching the job while still at the previous job
or better to quit previous job

I feel like... I am missing just one, just one thing I need to know, if I quit the job I can fill the blanks in my knowledge to be more succesful in job searches

With having full free time I can search more actively with all free time at my disposal, while concentrating fully to fill the knowledge missing spots

[near ocean]

You dont quit a job to go on a job search
You quit once you have a signed offer letter or contract from the next place

[smoky quest]

Companies will find you a lot less attractive if you aren't currently employed.
So I would advise against quitting first.

[buoyant seal]

mm yeah. Plus less room for mistake

[smoky quest]

yeah and less pressure since you still get paid

[tight nebula]

I'm a Python beginner, having learnt the language through several courses. A few of those courses also taught be basic data science practices. Now I'm looking to get certified as a data analyst. What certifications for this are recommended?

[nimble tulip]

Applied to them and was rejected in October

[nimble tulip]

Stats degree I guess, if not possible then maybe an Amazon or google certificate

[tight nebula]

It's more the Amazon or Google cert I'm looking at, much more short term and smaller than a degree, especially a stats degree. My maths is just enough to get by in the bulk of data science, but stats beyond that scare me lol.

[nimble tulip]

Well what stats do u even need lol? Regression models are most of it tbh

The degree acts like certificate 😂 most of it isn’t actually used

I believe that stats is the least theoretical and most practical in DS

[tight nebula]

My work is sponsoring certs in return for a work-back period, e.g. they pay for the cert and I don't resign, so this isn't a qualification I must get before I look for work, it's simply a nice and interesting to have

[quartz igloo]

if you could just decrease the slowmode time it would be good.

ok you've already done that

[analog sun]

Hello, this is not related to the channel topic, which is #career-advice .

[quartz igloo]

do you mind if I gave suggestions?

[analog sun]

Sure, #community-meta is the place for feedback

[quartz igloo]

then what is your carrer? what should I do I don't understand django it goes off my head I don't know what to learn

can we swear in the sever?

[analog sun]

I work in the automotive industry. As for what you should do, I think that depends on your goals and what your interests are. For django, I am not an expert either but I hear that their tutorial is very thorough.
Do you have a specific question about careers?

[quartz igloo]

what is the age limit here?

[analog sun]

You must be at least 13 to be on Discord. But again, this is not on-topic for this channel.

[quartz igloo]

I have done html and I know how to make a website I thought of just doing bootstrap but nowadays its common so bootstrap is cancelled now what should I do?

come on no ones online?

[delicate bane]

you may want to check out #python-discussion

[quartz igloo]

jesus there is so much

[buoyant seal]

Tbh...

I have already two technical interviews scheduled for tomorrow, one meeting with recruiter.
And I am already planning multiple interviews for the day after tomorrow

I am nervous wreck after each interview, and I did no do any work for already two days.

The work at current project is start to start new project, and it is really good time to finish it.
The previous project is completed and next project is not started

I really like to be honest person, and I should notify that I don't wish to work anymore i think

[spice musk]

@buoyant seal quit before you already have secured another job ?

[buoyant seal]

yeah. interviews consume too much of my time and nervous power. I am a nervous wreck and did not do job properly for two days already

I am in hyper active search of job

[spice musk]

I wouldn’t recommend to do so. But if you are ok with leaving and know the consequences of you might end up with no job after the interviews, then it’s your decision.

Look out for yourself first before the company.

[native leaf]

hey all, in order to become a fullstack programmer, should i now switch my focus on django (i guess i've mastered the python basics), later on i guess i'll learn angular after django

[spice musk]

If you want to work with django then sure. It is just one of the many web frameworks. Generally developers would/should be comfortable to switch between the different frameworks. Also might help to go over web principles first though before starting if you haven’t already done so.

[buoyant seal]

I have already 5 interviews scheduled

And I have good chances to get the job at least in two out of them

5 interviews in two days!

[spice musk]

Then take some time off work if it’s affecting you, but to leave without securing a job is not the best thing to do here.

[buoyant seal]

that could be a good choice of course but

the.... current boss has... period of craziness right now.

he wishes to start and implement the new project as soon as possible
in order to reap the proffit from business valuable product in the good timing

He was So crazy, that he wished to implement a full scale project in just a matter of two days.
I assured him that what he planned to do is requiring not less than for two weeks of server side work at least

[spice musk]

Yeah sounds like he needs to calm down a little

[buoyant seal]

to complete the project which he wished actually would take at least a month, considering that he wished also to implement frontend by me, and there is need to attach payment gateway

[spice musk]

If hes not understanding you can always go to his superior. Or just work slowly, what’s the worst that can happen if you don’t meet the deadline ?

[buoyant seal]

may be. yeah. I think perhaps to claim mental breakdown and asking for a week or two of vacation?

[buoyant seal]

there is no superior person in between 😦
one of the reason because I wish to leave, he fired the last colleague a month ago.
I am the last survivor in the company

xD the company started with 10 workers. I am the last alive.

[spice musk]

Yeah sounds crazy.

[buoyant seal]

That's not the full specter out of it.
but that does not matter

I think I am secure to leave the company. I mean... I saved the money for a year and half
I have a lot of savings to last me for a long time

[spice musk]

I’ve been in companies/bosses like that. Best is to get your self out as soon as you are able to find a replacement job.

[buoyant seal]

yeah, a big specter of job will be better than current place

there is only one big point to them, I had a lot of freedom and learned a lot of technologies. That's I can't take it

[buoyant seal]

to have even more secured. I don't really care to which salary I go. From companies which deal with relevant to me technologies, I will accept salaries even for the most juniorish positions. Even if I consider myself being middlish. The career growth opportunities are more important than my ego
Although so far it looks like I have good chances to increase the salary with the new job 😉

The current job is stuck in its salary. And after dollar falling, it became just really... miserable salary

If I will be able to land the job with right technological availability and market pressence, I will be able to see my salary doubled-trippled-quadrapled in a matter of year or two
it is worthy to accept even lowest salary as long as I get what I wish

[buoyant seal]

Yay.
I notified my boss that I wish to quit

the decision is made.

I AM FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

https://youtu.be/8DTb-lseCdQ

[waxen salmon]

Does anyone here study information management or information system? (Not python related directly but yeah), would be amazing if u could message me i just have a question or two

[peak halo]

you could also just ask your questions here. People usually don't want to DM people to answer a question when they don't know what the question will be.

[waxen salmon]

Okay uh i wanted to know about the general curriculum of information management/system and the job opportunities (and the flexibility of them) and also how much coding is involved in it because i've seen some people say its important and some say its not really important (also what languages)

[buoyant seal]

I think I should make a pause in clicking vanacies. Being active good. But 5 interviews in the next two days are more than enough I think 🤔

Especially considering that tomrrow I am going to be interviewed into my dream company

[near ocean]

You quit before signing another job? Why?

[buoyant seal]

too much amount of interviews in the next days, 5 interviews in the next 2 days. They consume a lot of my mental power and nervous health. I am not really ready to work
we just started to make new project. It is good to finish right here, to be not making any false promises. There is no one to continue it. I too much value candor to promise false results

i have a schedule of nice interviews with at least two of companies that i have high chance to get in. I feel secure enough to pass at least one out of interviews

[near ocean]

Candor or not i wouldn't say its wise to quit before getting the job
What if something happens and interviews are cancelled or you miss them or anything like that

[buoyant seal]

I have a lot of money saved to last me for a long time

for years

[near ocean]

Its not just money, what about your tenancy, bills, credit, etc

[buoyant seal]

the previous job was not having any really official standing. i lose nothing.

it started like a company, but last month it turned finally into freelance 1vs1 job.
I just refused to continue making next freelence project

i am not ready to make the necessary commitment

[buoyant seal]

It is against my nature to give false promises to person. as I said, no one will be able to finish the project as I leave
so I better to finish it in the beginning

[delicate bane]

[buoyant seal]

and also another bonus. Being free from work, I have full commitment to spend all time in searching new job, going through interviews
and perhaps even learning the big major spot I wished to fill

there is some advantage to get better offer in a short time

[delicate bane]

i am cheering for you my dude. other people might not understand your context, but your country is not the best place to work rn, so its better to get out while you can. even if you dont have a current job atm.

[buoyant seal]

That's one of the reasons

The biggest problem is the current job was not perspective to grow my skills further. I need to switch the job right now without any time delays. Than faster, then better
Commiting myself fulltime to search, I will rapidly go through the process. At least 3-5 times faster

I feel secure enough to find a new job not worse than current one. One of the interviews is going to be easy

[delicate bane]

best of luck dude

[buoyant seal]

Thanks. I just make the leap of faith 😉 https://youtu.be/C6b-r1JFRRQ

[cosmic axle]

Oii

[inner wren]

Hey @pallid heart!

It looks like you tried to attach a Python file - please use a code-pasting service such as https://paste.pythondiscord.com

[smoky quest]

Why?
There is something to dig into for you.

[buoyant seal]

because, I am coming out of zone of comfort?

i had an interview with UAE, of course I was nervous
and my all future career depending on getting job in any foreign present company?
and my life to get out the country?

and because at the same time my mother tries to communicate from over the border, and she went mentally fully ill. She is mentally challenged? Every time speaking with her is a challenge.

and because i am fully in train of looking through job vanacies and going through interviews. I threw all my energy into it

saying i am nervous wreck is exaggeration though
But I can't really concentrate on the planned course of action.

I know that If I will be not putting all my effort into job searching, I will be too slow going.
interviews/serach of job became my course of planned actions

and interviews are often happening in the middle of the day, they distract me very well

[smoky quest]

alright, there is a lot to unpack there.
First and foremost, given the current special situation, it would not be abnormal to seek out a therapist to talk things through. They will give much better advice than random strangers on the Internet 🙂

I am pretty sure the UAE job is not the only available job. If not through other countries, there will be more than one company hiring in that country. So set it up like a sales pipeline: seek out other out-of-country russian speaking communities for tips and jobs referrals, look out for other sources, etc.
Prioritize the first few interviews with places you don't care about to practice.
Ask for days off so you can focus more.
Be aware that even if you are the best candidate and they are the best company, things may still fall through because it's not a good match. It's not a reflection of your worth or skills.
Quitting now is a bet and given the context, it would be reasonable to say "I have quit to focus on finding the next opportunity outside of the country". That would not be the normal situation. But that would still be a bet and put a timer on it. Which is why I would recommend to explore first other avenues to make it easier on yourself to juggle both looking for a job and the day job

[buoyant seal]

I look for job everywhere. not just UAE of course 😉

I checked all perspective available foreign companies still in the country first, at local hiring web site
and then gradually checking through all available resources for further out of country options

[smoky quest]

tbh, that's more because I don't know anything about the current avenues in terms of countries able to have you come there

[buoyant seal]

it depends on country to country
some are super open and offering reolocating packages
some a half open, open just for remote work
well, and some aren't open at all. it is quite curious how to get Canadian work experience, if almost no company is allowed to hire foreigners

[smoky quest]

nice!

Canada has a point based system, hasn't it?

[buoyant seal]

yeah

it is going to be a really long process to go though, I expect perhaps in a year (or two at worst), for my application to be processed
and work visa has dreadful time to get too, 3 months or smth

nobody will wait that long

[limpid helm]

👍

[smoky quest]

yeah visas are already pretty messy in normal times.
Good luck!

[glacial lichen]

wow 5 intervies in the next two days! thats a lot

[vital skiff]

classic! good luck!

[vapid jay]

Hey guys, I am currently 14 years old. I am getting into coding and I love tech (been repairing electronics and building pcs since I was 10). Which languages/career path would you guys recommend? I know its super subjective but just in your opinion/experience what do you think I should learn. I am going to study CS in uni

[safe loom]

Are LinkedIn skill badges worth it? I just failed a MySQL test twice and I have to wait 6 weeks; I'm wondering if the recruiters are using this argument to validate someone on their skills.

Still impressive I'm among the 30% udnerperformers when I still know basic SQL skills, but nothing like views and schemas on a DB.

I mean, am I that bad? It's a good thing these results are not displayed on my profile.

[smoky quest]

I never looked at them and haven't heard anyone looking at them either

[smoky quest]

I typically recommend:

• Aim for a CS degree like a bs or ms. They open basically all the doors to CS
• In the mean time, have fun and explore and see what you enjoy or do not enjoy. Be it frontend, backend, robotics, mobile, games, VR, etc. I would recommend to avoid stuff like blockchain/dao/nft as they have yet to prove they aren't scams and the greed would just be a distraction to you.

Note also your tastes at 14 will be very different from your tastes at 20

[safe loom]

I remember I wanted to draw comics at 14 until I realized how hard it was to become a professional.

Can't be creative if I can't get comfy first.

[wheat pollen]

anyone here an it specialit??

[tepid mortar]

Does answering this kind of unspecific, it questions make me a it specialist please state your needs ..

[delicate bane]

what recursive said. if you decide to go for python first, this server is a great place to learn but yeah take this time to explore your interests

[pure raft]

Having a major crisis moment here:

Did all the work for a second degree college app, only to realize three courses I had to take towards the end of the bachelors brought my overall gpa down horrendously (they were gen Ed’s and I only took them so as to not offset being full time for loans) from a 3.6 to a 3.06 and the accepted gpa from this school says 3.6ish. I have insane credentials in my previous field and I’ve done a bit of independent study and overall feel extremely strong about my whole application as far as that and now I’m having a meltdown because I think that will end my chances of getting in all at once

The school I’m applying to is one of the only physical courses I could take for a second bachelors in the place that I am, all the other options would have to be online and I don’t know how it would be for me to get a job after

[peak halo]

@pure raft I understand this is very concerning to you. You might consider signing off discord for a bit, as I wouldn't want someone to say anything that could potentially make it worse.

You might consider writing an explanatory letter to include in your application.

[summer roost]

I've seen people list both their in-major and overall GPA separately when there's a considerable difference between them.

[grave depot]

How hard is to get into cs masters in usa

Gpa 3.6 with one yr theiss research

For undergrad thesis

[pure raft]

Bless you so much. I had a great talk with my parents, brought me down to earth.

@summer roost this is an absolutely stellar idea I can’t thank you enough

This community and all of you are an oasis thank you thank you so much

[calm dawn]

@summer roost @smoky quest yo, i believe you both mentioned the algo book from MIT as a resource, what i did NOT expect as I open it is for it to be so... massive? and here i thought i would be in for 200 pages or something, haha

[smoky quest]

It can also be used as a reference throughout your career 🙂

[calm dawn]

its so thicc it can probably be used as a weapon in the zombie apocalypse

[smoky quest]

think about all the massive knowledge you are about to upload to your brain

[calm dawn]

thats a fun way to type all future headaches that are about to emerge into existence

but thanks, really, about to break my brain in the most fun way since optimizing my sim games

[smoky quest]

indeed. It's gonna be fun. And don't hesitate to practice with exercises, small projects or gamified websites like codingame

[calm dawn]

yea, i will see if while im reading something i can do 1 or 2 LC a day on the topic too

[summer roost]

Data Structures and Algorithms is probably the single most important course in a CS major. It's a lot of material, but very valuable.

[calm dawn]

a good structure is the difference between 70ms and 7million ms, and those are some baby data sets

[smoky quest]

leetcodes can be a bit dry. So I would put that aside for a bit until you get further on the algo side. That's why I was referring to codingame which is pretty close but oriented in the context of games

[calm dawn]

@smoky quest i excel(get it?) at work every day, so i think mixing codingames and lc might be the way to go. I feel that theory and no practice wont get me anywhere and i somewhat enjoy lc model of dry

[buoyant seal]

Heh. Even if I quitted the former company
They negotiated to continue cooperation in freelance way

Just exchanged full time work with fixed hours to really flexible working time without obligations how much hours I am supposed to spend per week

Quite ideal

[ancient star]

What do you do for them?

[fluid sundial]

Hello guys, I hope you are all doing well.

[kind cove]

Ty bro

[inner wren]

Hey @buoyant seal!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.pdf). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

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[buoyant seal]

Developing web projects in microservices architecture

[vapid jay]

LOL

[buoyant seal]

Taking care from infrastrucre/backend(I am backend/devops first in specializations) to frontend.
Projects are related to VPN technologies
Basically making the projects already from zero to production.

[quartz shuttle]

That is really cool

[vapid jay]

Hi, I would like to ask if anyone here uses kaggle and if the gpus in it are free? I want to try practising ML and thought of using kaggle as a learning tool to save my internet (from downloading dataset) and my GPU (from overheating). the terms and condition say's its mostly free but there are possible charges.

[graceful mason]

it's free but there's a weekly limit on GPU usage

https://www.kaggle.com/page/GPU-tips-and-tricks

[vapid jay]

thanks for taking the time to answer. so its nothing like suddenly I am billed right? its like if I want to access more GPU usage I have to pay

[graceful mason]

no you won't be billed, their only paid service is hosting competitions
https://www.kaggle.com/paid-services

[vapid jay]

I see, thanks for answering. Just wanted to know about the bills. I want to save my GPU and internet cost from downloading the datasets. Any idea if the kaggle notebooks need constant data while coding or if I can turn my internet off while I work on the notebooks

[graceful mason]

no idea, should probably try asking in #data-science-and-ml

[vapid jay]

okay, thanks @graceful mason

[keen locust]

Hello

[safe loom]

I have a question on the level of SQL required by companies. How advanced does it need to be? Does that work if I can apply the basic CRUD operations, subqueries, filters and aggregations or do I have to know more detail about the DBMS I'm using?

[vapid jay]

Is anyone workin' as DevOps engineer? 🙂

[near ocean]

for what kind of job level? im guessing as a junior, knowing your way around filters, aggregations and the like should be enough but i dont work with SQL

[safe loom]

Entry level as a data engineer. I can work with data queries just fine but idk if they require much more.

Especially when some of the job offers demand MySQL over PostgreSQL strictly. I know the differences but imo it shouldn't require some degree of expertise over the other for entry level jobs.

[delicate bane]

from everything ive seen (which includes data engineering podcasts) you will need to know more SQL than that. you should also be familiar with at least one NoSQL database (i recommend MongoDB). theres more but im on mobile

[safe loom]

Which notions?

[near ocean]

Its for entry level, how much more are you supposed to know...

[safe loom]

Yeah, I can understand the NoSQL requirements but I can't what else is required for entry level SQL-wise

[buoyant seal]

Huh. 2 hours interview.
They checked my python skills
Refactorizing code
SQL skills
General planning skills
General debugging logic
Basic software engineering skills
My DevOps knowledge
And at last they checked how well I communicate in English

I hope I will pass it.
I meet the requirements pretty well for the job vacancy

SQL skills were a bit awkward though

I was able to compete the tasks though

[safe loom]

Can you tell me more about it? Is it about database/table CRUD operations, filters, aggregations and such?

[buoyant seal]

They show an interface of application.
And ask to design tables for it

They ask why I designed in this way, why not in a way without normalisation(they don't name it)

Then how to write three SQL requests
(One of them had aggregation)
(Another one used filters)
(And there was ordering, and taking only top 10 elements)

Then suggested to design table for situation when 10 tickets and million users will try to book it at the same time

They were asking in RAW SQL syntax only

[buoyant seal]

Then they asked me if prod db started to do really slow requests taking half of minute, what steps I should take to debug the problem, where is the source of sloweness

[delicate bane]

what you have is sufficent for entry-level devs but you have to realize data engineers are essentially modern DBAs + cloud + tooling (ingestion, transformation, etc.), and many times they expect more for DEs

[safe loom]

Ok, sounds like the 1st part is object architecture and the other calls for GROUP BY / HAVING, WHERE, ORDER BY and LIMIT.

[buoyant seal]

Yeah

Without where
Obviously we wrote multiple Joins of tables

[safe loom]

You mean like deploying a database in production or using something like MySQL Cluster?

[delicate bane]

yes but think more cloud

esp. cloud data warehouses

[buoyant seal]

In general I think they asked me things any junior should know
I did not really encounter questions that were hard to know
I mean... at least a junior that finished CS degree should know

[delicate bane]

if you want to talk more about DE, we can discuss in #data-science-and-ml or #databases

dont want to get OT for this channel

[delicate bane]

so you nailed it

congrats bud

[buoyant seal]

I think mostly yeah.
besides Python Backend requirements, the position asked to know some of Devops, with mentioning Ansible, Terraform and etc
I nailed them with my Docker and Kubernetes knowledge in addition (And I know Ansible and Terraform too)
And the full automation of CI CD pipeline for automated unit/integration testing and auto deployed staging and production infrastructure

They told me it is quite rare for people to know that level of DevOpsness and they don't have enough DevOpses

so even if i was somewhere struggling in backend (I did more or less well though), my DevOps skills should give a lot of extra points to me

[delicate bane]

thats good. yeah i think many go in the full stack direction rather than devops direction

[buoyant seal]

Backend + DevOps is a more powerful combo ;b

I tried frontend though, and I can develop front in Vue.js in addition. But that's just as minor additional knowledge with 4 months of experience

but with trying everything I understood i like infrastructure+backend more

the most cool question was
I got a client who has an API out of one file with a million code lines. It was decided to refactorize it and to make better.
How the hell to do it ;b

I was able to answer it too I guess. I a bit bubbling, without direct direction but answered

I should have answered more for the question with which databases I worked with though

I did not work with all other types of NoSQL databases, but I have rough understanding which types of dbs exist there and should have named them may be, and what case usages they have

[buoyant seal]

@delicate bane if curious, here fifty shades of NoSQL databases

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[vapid jay]

I am an experienced Full Stack & Blockchain developer
Success is my first guide to life and business.
Experienced industry:
SaaS, E-commerce, Booking, NFT marketplace, Defi, dApp, gaming platform, Metaverse, etc.

Skills include, but not limited to:
Front End

• HTML/CSS/Javascript/Typescript
• Bootstrap/Tailwind CSS/Material UI/Vue storefront UI, Vuetify, etc
• React/Next/Gatsby, Vue/Nuxt.
• Web3, Ethers.js, Three.js, D3.js, WebGL, GSAP, etc.
• GraphQL, Restful API

Blockchain

• Hardhat, Truffle, IPFS, Pinata.
• Solidity, Rust, PyTeal, Reach

Backend

• Node, Express, Python, Flask, PHP.
• Firebase, MongoDB, MySQL, PostgreSQL.

[analog sun]

Lets bring this back to the topic of the channel

Please don't spam the same posts, and this is not a channel for dumping a resume.

[vapid jay]

There are much easier ways to get a job

Front end developers when full stack enters the room

[delicate bane]

oh i know bud. also its not on-topic for this channel. #databases

[dim elm]

is it still possible without a degree?

because you see folks on youtube they be saying. I make over 100 grands, no degree just in 6 months, too good to be true

[vapid jay]

I do not think it is possible. Otherwise we wouldnt be going to college

[dim elm]

yeah that's what I thought if things really that way, why people go to college then

[dim elm]

are you studying comp sie bro?

[vapid jay]

You gotta have experience and skills

[faint glen]

hey

[vapid jay]

Yeah.

[dim elm]

Me too, I'm on second year

[vapid jay]

Same. Are you in usa?

[dim elm]

Nope bro

[vapid jay]

yo guys i have a question , how old i need to be for start working on upwork

[peak halo]

https://www.upwork.com/legal#useragreement

[vapid jay]

thanks

[naive wyvern]

hey

[chilly pendant]

Hi I am a Django developer looking for role an entry role. I don't mind if I don't get paid an actual salar yor something. .I just want to learn in an actual work environment. I understand Django and Django REST framework.

[near ocean]

This isnt a job board...

I think we should start pruning posts without questions or that dont start discussions

[ebon sun]

That's pretty awesome, thanks!

[delicate bane]

i was going to say "watch out for the recruiters too" but changed my mind and now look

[still condor]

Hi @valid chasm, as stated pretty clearly in all caps in the channel description, this channel is not for recruitment.

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[graceful mason]

Here's an article from medium which might give you some ideas:
https://medium.com/analytics-and-data/the-path-to-learning-sql-and-mastering-it-to-become-a-data-engineer-256ea0fef4e7

I'd also recommend checking out this book on data pipelines:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08WGSM9CJ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

[safe loom]

Thank you!

[open belfry]

Has anyone gone through interview process

What are the elements of an interview

[peak halo]

for what position are you interviewing?

[vapid jay]

what do most python developers do? I'm already very knowledgeable in Python because I have many years of grad school doing machine learning. But there aren't a lot of these jobs and they're extremely competitive. I know because I've applied to hundreds of these jobs and got no replies.
I want to know what's the easiest thing I can learn to become a Python dev because I need a job fast because I'm running out of money. I'm guessing it's web development using Django/Flask?

[near ocean]

There's a ton of python jobs out there
If you have experience in ML especially it shouldnt be that hard to get an interview at any firm

[vapid jay]

Yes it is very difficult to get an interview at a firm. The market is very saturated with talented ML grad student who published papers at top conferences, already have job experience, and so on. And it's very unfriendly to new grads like me. In the job description, they often state you already to know AND have experience on how a data pipeline works (have experience in AWS, Kubernetics, etc etc), they don't teach anything like that in grad school.

[near ocean]

if youre not getting replies then there's something wrong with your CV
do you have projects listed? your experience? your education? is there something that looks immediately wrong that might get it tossed by a hiring manager?

do you want to clear any personal info on it and post it here?

also, what kind of jobs are you applying to

[vapid jay]

originally I also had the mindset you have, that AI/ML engineering jobs are easy for me to get so I was mostly applying to them. I didn't get any replies. Including jobs that did the same exact kind of research I did. Usually what I found is that even new grad jobs want customer experience or data pipeline experience or papers published or a PhD.
Now I'm mostly applying to newgrad generalist software engineering jobs. That's most of the jobs in the job market (probably by a large margin), when comparing to AI/data jobs, right? I'm also applying to data science/engineering jobs. Again I'm hitting some problem I've posted above. But I am getting some call backs for data science, almost zero for software engineering.

[delicate bane]

your resume looks more like an academic cv than a resume if that makes sense. also it took me 3 semesters and 500+ applications before i got my current DS internship, so its just super competitive out there; youre going against phd's in many of these jobs. how do i know? i have linkedin premium

[vapid jay]

yep exactly. that's why I'm asking what's the most common type of skills employers look for in a Python dev. So that I can make a project based on those skills and post it on my resume. Django/Flask would be very common and easy to get into for me?
lol yea thanks for confirming my belief about the competitiveness of DS/AI jobs, most people dont realize. Also of course if I went to a top school maybe things would be different. I'm going to a school in a good first world country outside of US (this is maybe the top 1 or 2 school in CS in this country). But still, I'm looking for jobs in USA (I'm a US citizen), but I cannot network in my school to find jobs, heck, most people dont even speak English when networking here.

[near ocean]

I would move the exp section to the top but otherwise this cv looks stacked
What kind of job levels are you applying to?

[delicate bane]

yeah bud its tough out there for DS/ML. ill let a real python dev answer your question tho since my skill set is mostly DS-focused. i am however, learning react and frontend things this semester, so thats been fun

[brittle thorn]

You went premium wow

[delicate bane]

i honestly dont regret it tbh

[vapid jay]

new grad/junior/entry-level
I'm a new grad so that's why school is at the top

[brittle thorn]

So its worth it lol.... at least in your case nice...im cheap lol

[delicate bane]

yeah im staying with the family so my income is mostly spent on coffee and things like this

[vapid jay]

maybe I should just switch my focus on react/frontend to get a job? might take some time for me to learn it tho

[brittle thorn]

I should know I use that strategy lol

[delicate bane]

oh bro im not the person to ask. im only learning react/frontend rn for our project in my software engineering class + its part of our tech stack for the software dev side at work

[vapid jay]

just looking at the job market, it seems to be javascript at most use for companies, and then Python in the second place

[near ocean]

i would learn JS anyway because its such an easy way to create visualisations for other projects

[crude crown]

Yup, I confirm the job market is quite rough for new grads wrt ML/DS (not only for them but I digress), and that's not the end of the problem of it. I suggest looking into Data Engineering or MLOps as alternatives.

[inner wren]

Hey @thick phoenix!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.docx). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a, .csv, .json.

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[thick phoenix]

i want to ask if this resume is good or not

[crude crown]

Literally TL;DR, cut it to 1 page

[brittle thorn]

Too long 2 page max

[near ocean]

thats a summary a page long

[brittle thorn]

Make a paragraph long summary

[near ocean]

why do you even need a summary, the CV itself is supposed to be the summary

[brittle thorn]

Seen people do it since recuiters tend to be short on time i think

[summer roost]

is this intended to be a resume or a CV? Which one is the norm in whatever country you're from?

[thick phoenix]

Canada

and what is the difference between resume or CV

[buoyant seal]

First one is brief, the second is super detailed I think

[summer roost]

https://torontopubliclibrary.typepad.com/jobhelp/2010/04/whats-the-difference-between-a-resume-and-a-cv-in-canada.html

[crude crown]

If you're intending to use this for other jobs, you want to keep it short-ish...

and from a glance that I've given to that resume, there's several typos, buzzwords, repetitive things, etc.

It would be very hard for this go through any HR process in any company

sorry for the bluntness

[thick phoenix]

I'm surprised because it's not my resume but people are getting job from this type of resume and someone suggested me to make your resume like this

[crude crown]

well, if I saw a resume like this I would chuckle to be very honest here.

[near ocean]

Wdym theyre getting jobs, this shouldnt even pass the resume upload step let alone reach a hiring manager

[summer roost]

Yeah, I think you'd be pretty unlikely to get a job with a resume that looks anything like that.

[thick phoenix]

they're getting calls from this and I'm surprised too

[summer roost]

If your resume is more than 2 pages and you've worked for less than 20 years, it makes it pretty clear that you don't understand what a resume is.

[near ocean]

More like an autobiography than a resume really

The guy is indian, maybe thats the culture there?

[crude crown]

specially as a DS where you'll need to communicate things a lot of times in a digestable way to all sorts of people.

[brittle thorn]

They are getting the job despite annoying the recruiters lol

[thick phoenix]

what about this one

[brittle thorn]

Better

[summer roost]

that one seems weird in the other direction, a bit too sparse - but it's much better.

[crude crown]

much better, but yeah a bit too sparse

[near ocean]

Better, needs better wording in the experience section

[thick phoenix]

what do you mean by sparse?

[crude crown]

it's a bit empty

[summer roost]

Is "Wallmart" a typo?

[crude crown]

I can't tell what sets this candidate apart from others...

Maybe that's obfuscated on that summary at the top.

[near ocean]

Consistency in titles in exp section would be nice, only last one has a title

I think the top strip is just contact info, not a summary

[crude crown]

yes, you shouldn't be afraid to adapt the job title to something more consistent and more in line w/ the industry

don't go writing that you're a staff/principal if you're a junior though...

[smoky quest]

you may want to expand a bit on some of the skills exposed / interesting things or impact from your job/experience

[brittle thorn]

Yeah dont make it dry

[delicate bane]

Oops
proofreading is important too
OOP
but tbh i would just get rid of that interest section

[thick phoenix]

i tried to make it one pager thats why i keep it short

[delicate bane]

you can make it short and still provide better information, especially improving the bullet points

[summer roost]

We don't allow recruiting here.

[agile schooner]

Ok

Sorry about it

[calm dawn]

@summer roost man, after some brain pummeling and a nudge in the right direction...i did my first bfs problem in leetcode... queues rock

[half raven]

rertertertertertertert'

[vapid jay]

anyone here a white hat hacker?

[sleek spade]

Как вы относитесь к шаурме?

[vivid sinew]

does anyone trade options here?

[fallow palm]

Hey, has anybody here participated in Google summer of code? I have a few questions

[near ocean]

Ask them?

[buoyant seal]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! I got hired! I got hired!
To a new cool company
Which is the best among the present companies in my market
600 employees international company with French origins. (Or may be 1600 employees? I missed that part)

[near ocean]

Congrats my guy

when do you start? are you going to have to relocate?

[storm raft]

aesome news, i wish you a safe transition/relocation!

[keen locust]

Today in country India the big festival is celebrating that is called"HOLI" the festival of colors

So all of you happy "HOLI" to me

[hearty vale]

is sololearn a good browser for learning python ?

[dense mesa]

Yeah if you ping me from off topic

[buoyant seal]

I don't have to relocate, but I plan to relocate. It is an optional available feature
I start on the next Tuesday 😉

[clear smelt]

Is gaming laptop good for programming? (With i7 Intel H processor).

[true harness]

you can program on a 10 year old computer with no mousepad

[buoyant seal]

there is some.... fashion for programming at laptops. But I consider it being foolish. Because laptops have really mediocre sized screens. And we need a lot of space to work comfortably in IDE and reading tutorials/guides at the same time, or having opened console terminals in addition, or another source of code in second IDE.
I prefer having System Unit with at least two 23 inches monitors (thinking seriously for third one)

[delicate bane]

best of luck my guy. im glad things worked out for you

[narrow kettle]

Sure it does, why wouldn't be?

[rare adder]

really dumb, super general question. Python is my first language and I'm confused about how people get work experience , when they are more of a novice...

I was thinking maybe just freelance for a while to develop a portfolio... but if anyone has better advice... idk shit about this so please give me you're 2 cents... or dollar fifty

[buoyant seal]

I was just dumb lucky to be accepted into company working with python in web development

there are junior positions, sometimes company directly seek them because... they wish to save money and don't understand that juniors are really... a form of investment, not a real result for a lengthy time

[rare adder]

I'm gonna go through and apply for a bunch of junior python dev positions I guess... I'm not specialized at all so if one contacts me, i'

i'll just refresh on all the stuff they are requiring, hope i get lucky too

[buoyant seal]

I was not really even applying for Python position tbh
I just recounted all my strength points, which I learned in university, and which languages I liked to work with
and just wrote enthusiastic resume, about how I participate in open source for fun for one gaming community.
someone appreciated my enthusiasm, creativity, energy?

as far as I remember I just wrote Software Engineer / DevOps (or was it system administrator? 🤔 )? Directions in which I wish to evolve

it was kind of silly decision. I knew almost nothing about DevOps. Failed the interviews fully 😉 But during the interviews it was discovered that I am actually some sort of beginning Software Engineer .

In the end I actually became Backend / DevOps person %

My first resume was right about where I wish to evolve, and I still did not choose between those two directions

The most important I at least knew I wish to become web dev and I was lucky to get the job in web dev

Too bad the resume was not saved. It would be a nice history

[astral thunder]

Hey guys, on which app or site do I search for good python devs in India?

Any suggestions would help a lot

[buoyant seal]

Freelancer.com ?

[astral thunder]

looking for full time employee

on freelancer.com we will only find freelancers i think

[buoyant seal]

there is indian https://in.indeed.com/jobs-in-India indeed

highly likely it should be really popular. perhaps u have some native alternatives, but it is already quite strong choice
Since you are all having English as second language

According to search there, there are 150.625 jobs in India

[astral thunder]

As per my exp, we don't really find good devs on indeed or the likes. We have tried on linkedin and angel.co. There are good devs but haven't received a lot of response

[inner wren]

Hey @zealous cedar!

You either uploaded a .txt file or entered a message that was too long. Please use our paste bin instead.

[humble kelp]

Hey guys, so someone told me they could not pursue a project due to "limited tech bandwidth", what could this term mean?

[mortal wedge]

They do not currently have the resources to pursue technical projects.

This could be to not having enough hours, maybe their computers/servers are tied up with processing who knows

So, bit of a followup from my last question here, I found myself in an unfortunate position of being compared to my predecessor in terms of the analytics software I developed. Well, I was able to prove that the reason why my predecessor had better looking data is because shortcuts were taken and a lot of bad data was essentially removed. I'm glad I was able to prove it, but now I'm in charge of writing a report to management and I know they're not going to like what I have to say. Any tips on how to word/handle something like this?

[patent glade]

I want some1 professional in python

[graceful mason]

What do you mean they aren't going to like what you have to say?

[mortal wedge]

It's easier to believe the new guy messed up than believe that what they've relied on for years was faulty

[gaunt elbow]

lol one of the main reasons I got out of data science to just programming

too close to business

last project in my previous job I just said: I'll make your backend app, as user friendly as I can, you choose the model type to use, the relevant metrics and the final model to use in PROD

bad results, bad data, not my concern

and I advise other data dudes that are also programmers to do the same

let the business know-it-all's deal with the concrete stuff

[vapid jay]

guys if i have a remote job and i go visit my family overseas for 2-3 months, will it hurt my job?

[peak halo]

sounds like you would need to work that out with your manager

[mortal wedge]

Keep in mind this puts you on a different timezones for meetings, in case that throws off things

[mortal wedge]

Wish I could say this...

[graceful mason]

I guess my only advice would try to be as objective as possible - don't slag off the old guy, just try to focus on comparing the two analytic methods

[mortal wedge]

Think I should just summarize the investigation or should I also give recommendations on how to handle the issues?

[graceful mason]

Definitely give recommendations

[mortal wedge]

Okay

[coral dew]

I want to land a dev job as soon as possible. My current L1 tech support job sucks and the pay is minimal. I didn't go to any College and don't have any degree. But I still manage to teach myself to code as I am passionate about technology.
I am a beginner with the Django stack. I have built some full-stack projects from scratch such as a chat application, to-do list app, etc by following guides and tutorials. I am currently working on a WhatsApp web clone.
What technologies should I learn and how should I plan and execute strategies to learn and get a good-paying dev job?

[mortal wedge]

To get a good dev job there are a few steps. 1) Get an interview. 2) Nail your interview. 3) Don't get fired. They all have different skills/strategies that don't necessarily overlap.

I think you'll have the most problems with step 1). Most people will see a tech support job and assume that it doesn't prepare you in any way to be a developer. There are two strategies you can employ to counteract this, you probably want to do both:

a) Spin your job duties like crazy to give you any kind of programming credibility possible, even if it is just using sql queries or basic scripts.

b) Showcase your personal projects and get involved in a group project if you can. While personal standalone projects are nice, in the business world you'll almost certainly be coding as part of a team so they would want you to be familiar with coding practices that involve other people, like versioning control systems and such.

That being said, when you do have a company willing to interview you, what you can control is how you do on the coding challenges. Most software companies (at least in the states) will generally test your coding ability. Know basic data structures, algorithms, and time complexities. Practice algorithmic puzzles on leet code or your competitive coding site of choice. Of course, also practice general interviewing skills/soft questions. Find whatever resources work best for you, I used a book called "Cracking the Coding Interview" that worked wonders for me.

Don't get fired is all about your technical aptitude, but it sounds like you have that well underway with your personal projects and such.

I feel for you because I went from L1 tech support to developer. Each of those steps were brutal for me, but it's been ultimately incredibly fulfilling, so I hope you're able to achieve it as well.

[coral dew]

Thank you very much, I'll follow your guide.
It is very motivating for me to find that you also went from L1 tech support to dev. Thank you so much for this guide.

[gaunt elbow]

I always give this advice because it has been my experience after 4years as a py dev: learn your OOP concepts

can guarantee you it makes a difference in the python dev job market

lots of py programmers just passing around arguments from function to function not even aware of what a class is

another: learn how to properly annotate stuff

[calm dawn]

by annotate you mean commenting your code so it doesnt look like some dark magic from the ancient ages in when you open it back up on monday?

[summer roost]

I believe they're referring to type annotations.

[delicate bane]

yeah...sounds like a tough place to be...people do not always make logical decisions so i would focus on recommendations and solutions like mentioned. if given bad news, people like solutions so if you have that, the focus on you specifically should be less

[calm dawn]

as in, annotating your types of inputs and outputs?

[summer roost]

Yes

[calm dawn]

Like... this function takes x which is int and gives you y which is int

[summer roost]

Right. ```py
def add_one(x: int) -> int:
return x + 1

[calm dawn]

i can obviously see the benefit of this, in a world where everything can be anything, its good to know what the function is expecting

other than clarity, i dont quite remember if annotating actually restricts the input?

[true harness]

not by default, though tools can help you with that. mypy/pyright checks the types statically, stuff like beartype checks it dynamically

[calm dawn]

Huh.... and in vanilla python lets say, other than sanity, what other benefits are there? im having some trouble seeing it

[true harness]

helps when you're reading the code. knowing what type stuff is is really important to understand what's happening

[summer roost]

And it can be introspected. And large codebases usually run tools to check that the code conforms with the declared types.

[calm dawn]

yo i heard you like code so i added code to check that your code codes codingly

[smoky quest]

I tend to recommend to focus more on the positives rather than the negative.
It's not that the code is shitty, it's that there are opportunities to triple the performance and reduce the cost by half of the product. It's not that the previous person hid the truth, but the current implementation is not as accurate as it could be, thus having a great opportunity to reflect better the reality of the business and drive to better decisions and outcomes

The people with a bit of experience will be able to read in between the lines and it's also a way to demonstrate your abilities, team plays and can do attitude

[summer roost]

If your manager is any good, they should be able to give you some guidance about how best to tackle this conversation, what to focus on, and so on. If I recall correctly, your manager had your back on this - is that still the case? If so, have you tried asking them for strategies in approaching this report?

[low blade]

Hi folks. Hope everyone is doing well. I’m working in pharma and biotech and I’m very interested to learn Python Data Science. Please share how can I get starts? Any free courses or paid courses that you can recommend? I really appreciate!

[smoky quest]

This is #career-advice . Sounds like you would have more luck in #data-science-and-ml

[low blade]

Thanks @smoky quest

[delicate bane]

yes i believe this is where your soft skills will come into play more imo

[mellow shard]

guys

[echo vault]

I'm in my first semester in studying computer programming, and wanted to try and get more info on job opportunities that are entry level for someone like me? Like what type of jobs should I be looking for? Do I need more time before I'm job ready in this field??

[calm dawn]

honestly, i dont see what you lose by just applying to entry level stuff... if you get any interviews use them for experience

[smoky quest]

Any job in the CS field would be open to you once you graduate

[summer roost]

if you're in your first semester of university, you'd be better served by looking for internships than for entry level jobs.

[smoky quest]

I would actually go further and recommend to not look for jobs or internships. Focusing on the studies and projects and diving deeper in the materials will yield better ROI over the long term in addition to increasing your odds of success at school

[novel elk]

guys im like 3 points short in algebra 2 of being able to take pre cal and ap stats next year (junior year), shit

long story short, cant take ap stats in high school ):

[true harness]

it's ok, stat is an extremely annoying class

[proven spire]

Hi sujectiion for self thought developer for job from sri lanka

[delicate bane]

noooo void dont discourage the young ones from stats

[dire pine]

hello

is there anybody??

[vapid jay]

hello

i have a few questions... Course topics include Apache Hadoop, Hive, Pig, and Spark, big data, data governance, data science, database architecture, database schemas, enterprise data management, machine learning, MapReduce, MongoDB, NoSQL, online analytical processing (OLAP), predictive analytics, and SAP Analytics. You can also choose optional concentrations in supply chain management and logistics or game development. does this sound like a good online program

[exotic reef]

I see..Holi theme there

[vapid jay]

is this worth leraning

[exotic reef]

Why not 💀

[vapid jay]

how much salary do u think i can get for this skills

[exotic reef]

I have no idea...

[summer roost]

What is the program, exactly? That doesn't look like typical courses for a computer science degree

[vapid jay]

data analytics

the program used is scala.... scala is the program used for spark

this isnt a comptuer science course...it is for getting a job like as a distribution manager etc

[white storm]

yes but either AWS or GCP an add on will be better in this list

[summer roost]

That's not my area of expertise, but it seems very strange that a data analytics program would include a game development concentration.

[vapid jay]

https://www.purdueglobal.edu/degree-programs/information-technology/bachelor-degree-cloud-computing-solutions/.... they teach this as online program also

Cloud computing enables disruptive new business technologies every day, from chatbots to artificial intelligence (AI) to applied machine learning and blockchain. With an online bachelor’s degree in cloud computing and solutions, you’ll be prepared to provide more of what organizations need to develop, innovate, and complete their cloud transformation.

do you think this program is better

[white storm]

yeah this is better

[vapid jay]

thanks @white storm

[ionic spruce]

How to be python freelancer

[proven patrol]

strange question, but how would someone go around trying to get hired into a intelligence agency as a programmer (e.g. NSA, CIA)?

i would imagine even trying to apply for the job must be extraordinarily difficult

[summer roost]

A former roommate of mine got a job at the NSA right out of college. He was not a terribly good programmer.

[proven patrol]

huh. this was not a contractor job?

[summer roost]

Nope

[onyx locust]

I'm not gonna lie, I don't even care about programming anymore, I just want to get hired, like now, at this point it's honestly a waste of time. Does anyone have any ideas what kinds of applications or technologies tech companies or hirers like to see? I cba programming anymore if it doesn't get me anything. Like I've dedicated soooo much time into programming and literally nothing came of it.

I'm a self taught, who's in the first year of uni, but I'm more than able and equipped to work in an contemporary programming industry and environment. Just so tired to being ignored cos of my age and professional experience, just cos I have neither is such a cock block.

[summer roost]

It would be much easier to get a full time job with a university degree. While you're still in university you might be able to find some part time gigs, or you might be able to land an internship or two. Does the university have a career center you can leverage?

[onyx locust]

So in reality, full consciousness in the matter, it's improbable to get a professional or even remotely a job that involves or deploys my skills as a programmer and it's obvious to get a realistic part time job

My university does but I've not had much in terms of relativity when consulting universities or academic bodies about programming endeavours.

[summer roost]

Why assume that it would be incredibly difficult? They've got an artificially limited talented pool (only citizens willing to submit to a thorough background check and abstain from drugs, and only the subset of those who don't have moral qualms working for an intelligence agency), and they pay much less than major tech companies.

[onyx locust]

I've also thought about internship but even after having 6 interviews I've no luck

[summer roost]

That's not a whole lot. I'd keep interviewing.

[onyx locust]

For how much longer bro it takes 3 weeks or 2 weeks plus and minus to get a response or interview invitation

That's too much of time wasted, and if I'm being humane, my parents patience is running out with me and I'm getting frustrated by I can't fathom why I'm not successful with my applications aside from the projects present within my cv

And on that note, circling back to my original consolutation, what is a promising cv project for an aspiring fullstack/Web developer

[summer roost]

Presumably you're interviewing for Summer 2022 internships?

[onyx locust]

Just any internships that I can apply for I'm applying for them if my tech stack matches

But I'm guessing they're 2nd half of the year, after June I think

[summer roost]

It would be a bit rare for someone in their first year of university to land an internship. If you're quite good it might be possible, but people usually get internships between their 2nd and 3rd year or between their 3rd and 4th, at least in countries I'm familiar with (USA, UK)

[onyx locust]

okay, screw internship, internships are given to those who graduate, people can land jobs regardless however, everyone lies, i can just tell a fib and say im in 2nd or 3rd year, as ive heard that its more beneficial to display yourself as academically equipped for a job, however, im practically equipped as well

[summer roost]

Lying on a resume is fraud, and is a very bad idea.

It's a bad idea to try to trick someone into entering a contract with you.

[onyx locust]

literally 86% of the professionals that work in an IT admin or dba position or even some programmers lied on thier resume

its ignorant to say its fraud, no matter how fraudulent it is, its still a factor that lands jobs and allows individuals to grow into thier positions

[summer roost]

It is fraud. And I have a lot of trouble believing that only 3 out of 20 resumes don't contain lies... That sounds way too low to me.

Regardless, starting a business relationship by defrauding your counterparty is objectively an extremely risky option. If they find out, you're very likely to lose the job, and it's not impossible that you'll get sued as well.

[wispy pumice]

class RandomWalk:
    def __init__(self, wheel):
        self.wheel = wheel

    def hi(self, wheel):
        for a in range(1, 100):
            wheel.forward(100)
            wheel.right(90)
            wheel.forward(100)
            wheel.up(90)```
 why isn't my turtle moving? this is the code from imported class.

[smoky quest]

80% of the statistics are made up 😉

It's also very easy to catch something making up stuff during an interview.

[smoky quest]

Wrong channel. This is #career-advice . You would have more luck on #❓｜how-to-get-help

[wispy pumice]

but if possible you can just add me a solution. why not please!

[smoky quest]

because I don't want to.
It's pretty selfish from you to expect a bunch of people to adapt to you.

I would be more than happy to help you in the right channel

[wispy pumice]

greedy you look

[smoky quest]

Alright, good luck!

[wispy pumice]

just kidding, don't mind, bye!

[onyx locust]

what did i just read

[buoyant seal]

In my country similar agency is calling every graduated person if they are willing.
My interview was finished at first question: do I have good enough health to be enlisted into army?
(I was already graded as not applicable to army)
Here my interview ended

[buoyant seal]

I am middle Dev, with masters degree and 1.5 years of commercial programming.

I think I applied 50 times at least
To get 5 interviews.
Perhaps better rate would be if I waited more than one week, for everyone to read the resume for sure
Or if tried more positions which required less qualifications than I had

The trick is in spamming everywhere, and going to try everywhere ;)

Hopefully after current job with more years of experience, the conversation rate will become better

Although I am not gonna lie. Hiring students is not really good idea for programming jobs in general

It is easy to get hired as Linux system administrator, computer help desk support

Because they can be part time jobs

But programming is another level. The speed of students to have anything done is just straight ridiculous. They can't compete with juniors even close I think

Graduated Juniors are at least 4-10 times faster in same time frame., Partially just because they are full time concentrated on one task

[onyx locust]

ong, i only spam apply because its literally so unlikely that your heartfelt cover letter is going ot make any impact on your chances

[hearty island]

fraud means you get caught in the end

you might as well learn the stuff you put on your resume, or you will be quickly found out during the course of the job or the internship.

it is also so much more satisfying to confidently say you know what you're putting on your resume and it will create a difference during your interview as you will come off more confident and relaxed.

[vapid jay]

hi

Hello, could someone help me with an exercise please ? Write a Python program which accepts the user's first and last name and print them in reverse order with a space between them.

First #python-discussion

[zinc yew]

Amongus code: JCMKVF

Free chat

Europe

[marsh wind]

I agree... Then there's a question of lie versus exaggeration. Perhaps someone will put familiarity with C++ cause they studied it in uni and did couple of course projects 10 years ago? Lie? Not really... But it's a somewhat misleading truth

[vapid jay]

def  namer():
User1 = input("first name")
User2 = input("last name")
Return user2, user1
print(namer())

Something like this?
Wait i didn't put indents, fix it

Typed it on my phone

[inner bolt]

Hello can someone help me please, I need to create a MCQ on python for a project school but im very bad : (

If someone can dm me or something

[verbal flint]

What is an MCQ?

[inner bolt]

It means "Multiple Choice Questions"

[verbal flint]

Does it have to be a gui program?

Or can it be command line?

[inner bolt]

It can be a command line

[verbal flint]

I woulda just print out like the questions each on a new line with like the letter choice in the front like this

A) answer
B) answer
C) answer

And then just prompt the user for their response on the line below using the input function. Check to make sure the input is a valid answer, then check to see if they were right.

[delicate bane]

makes sense. do you recommend just programming more to increase speed?

[verbal flint]

Hey Rex, are you trying to be a software engineer or?

[delicate bane]

not really. im in more of a DS role rn but more software dev skills are always good to have.

[inner bolt]

Wdym ?

[buoyant seal]

finishing university to become free for full time
programming in pet projects / participating in open source
reading O'Reilly books for self education
some companies offer internships, I would suggest to try grab it if they can, because it would be really considered as half of real work experience in theory. It does not really matter if it is paid or not, internship could be quite big bonus for person in uni

[verbal flint]

So you already are in the career phase? I’m trying to find people to pair program with me lol bc I have no one that likes to code that I know

[delicate bane]

oh im in an internship rn.

[buoyant seal]

optionally participating also in all kinds of hackatons / competions if possible

than more practice, then better 😉

[delicate bane]

ill probs just work on more projects then if i find the time

[buoyant seal]

if you are in internship, it already sounds like the best offer you could find during uni time 😉 No really need for further

[verbal flint]

That’s what I’m trying to do, projects can be boring alone. I’ve been trying to figure out how to contribute to open source but it’s so hard

[bright crypt]

hi

[inner bolt]

@verbal flint I have a .txt with 30 questions and the code needs to take 10 random questions

[buoyant seal]

find some gaming community that needs something.
minecraft mods and etc.
games are fun 😉
Make your dreams come true

[verbal flint]

So I’d first focus on how to open and read from the txt. Are all of the questions the some length meaning they have the same amount of choices

That’s what I’ve been trying to do lol, is there a good place to go to find groups working on that stuff?

[buoyant seal]

dunno, btw, i saw somewhere this book. It could be cool to check if u use python

[verbal flint]

I love Python compared to other languages

[inner bolt]

All of the questions have 4 answers

[verbal flint]

Are all of the questions on one line in the txt file

[inner bolt]

No

I can send you the txt file in dm if u want

[verbal flint]

I’ve gotta go to work but I’d just try to read the questions and answers separately at this point, see if you can get the question set to a variable and the answers in a list

Print that question out that you read in to command line, then loop through answers and print them as well. Adding new lines where necessary for looks.

[weak pine]

hello can we find the password of a phone by using python ?

[verbal flint]

Anyone wanna work on a project with me just dm me

[inner bolt]

I will try but Im very bad on python

[verbal flint]

Lol it’s alright man let me ss the file opening shit that I have

Try to do this and then print the contents to see if you can put all the contents in a list. Path_to_file needs to be a local or specific path to your computer

[inner bolt]

what is that 😭 😭 😭

in path to file i need tu put the .txt file ?

[verbal flint]

Yes

[runic rover]

would appreciate if some1 quiz me bout what i like 1 year experience here

[mellow shard]

papa

[ivory sluice]

hi everyone
please use the channels appropriately. this is for career discussion only

#❓｜how-to-get-help for general python help

[vapid jay]

hello!

[vapid jay]

while i am learning to be a cloud dev ... i will want to learn python and java.... which online sites can you guys recommend pls

i had seen a few things on freecodebootcamp and jetbrains ...are these good /recommended for learning and are there any other/better online things available

[peak halo]

!resources @vapid jay

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[bright forge]

HI

[vapid jay]

best language for machine laerning?

i had seen R and python have most users for ML

and i think java comes in 3rd

[grizzled copper]

People are using Pytorch, well written python code is more efficient than C++ when you don't understand exactly how C++ works .

[indigo shuttle]

Any engineers who are currently working in the blockchain/smart contract/web3 space?

[graceful inlet]

hello

[peak halo]

this is a data science question rather than a career question. but between Python and R, Python is more widely used by ML engineers. R is mostly used by scientists in other fields.

[graceful inlet]

i want to learn the Python, the js, the cc and others. it's possible here (just i'm french) ?

[peak halo]

this channel has a high slow mode timer on purpose, so you should say everything you want to say in one message.

this server is for Python; we don't have resources for learning JS. If you want to learn more about web development, there's a #web-development channel. This channel is for talking about careers/work.

[vapid jay]

Yes. I am. There are so many opportunities I would suggest to jump in.

[vapid jay]

Python any day. Numpy makes data structures easy to use. Pandas and matplotlib help visualize the data structures. Scipy has all the preprocessing tools you need. Tensorflow is the best neural network building package. Sklearn has all the other models (Random Forest, Regressions, Classifications, SVM).

[graceful inlet]

Thx u ❤️

[gaunt elbow]

lol no I mean this:```
from typing import List

def my_func(numbers_lst: List[int]) -> List[str]
return list(map(str, numbers_lst))

I think in more recent python versions you can use the list class instead of List

but at work we still use py 3.7 so not too sure

basically making your code semi-statically typed

you can also do that when declaring variables

def another_func(is_it: bool) -> str:
    somevar: str
    if is_it:
        somevar = 'it is'
    else:
        somevar = 'it aint'
    return somevar

[delicate bane]

hot take: r is for research. p(ython) is for products

[grizzled copper]

@vapid jay I don't know much about Coursera, take book python crash course , do challenges , learn important libraries, numpy , pandas , do things with it and then learn tensorflow, pytorch

[delicate bane]

idk any but it looks like a hot job market rn

[gaunt elbow]

@indigo shuttle which skills are relevant in those fields?

[vapid jay]

@grizzled copper do you recommend any books which fit your criteria

[grizzled copper]

"Python Crash course" from that book you can learn basics , it contains most important things to know

read first 11 part

[vapid jay]

can you please gived me the author @grizzled copper

[grizzled copper]

just google and it will be first result

[vapid jay]

did u block me from msging u

[supple musk]

I am a senior data scientist that makes 400k a year does anyone have questions

[gaunt elbow]

lol I make 35k€

[supple musk]

lol im playing

[gaunt elbow]

lot less after taxes

[grizzled copper]

I disabled message from mutual servers

[supple musk]

i dont even know how to code yet but i wanna learn does anyone know any free websites?

[vapid jay]

yo guess what... i now have full access to coursera certificiations for free!

i qualified for a free service cuz i was ex military

[supple musk]

damn thank you for your service

[vapid jay]

hey no worries ... i am just glad i can get some help here

[grizzled copper]

I think everyone should know python

[vapid jay]

i was kind of skeptical... but i am now on coursera and taking the google certs

[grizzled copper]

it is 2022 after all

[vapid jay]

i was on my other coursera account and the same google cert was charging me money... then i logged into my military coursera account and its free

after i do acouple of these beginer coursera things ill look at the crash course book

kindle version off amazon...

[grizzled copper]

Hum , i think would be almost same, just I prefer to read docs if it is beginner friendly or read books

[summer roost]

Right, resumes are essentially a kind of advertising (they're an advertisement selling you), so it's common to see creatively stated truths that are designed to mislead other people to view you favorably, but just like with other forms of advertising, outright lies aren't OK and false advertising is bad.

[marsh wind]

Right. It was mostly an observation about that 86% resumes contain lies... If they count some exaggeration or overstated facts, can be 86% otherwise I won't believe it 🙂

[summer roost]

that's a good point. That statistic would be a lot more believable if it includes things that are technically true but misleading.

[gaunt elbow]

job vacancies adverts lie all the time too

goes both ways

[smoky quest]

How do they lie? What would be their incentives?
How does that justify lying on a resume?

[gaunt elbow]

does not justify

just stating that it goes both ways

[summer roost]

The "required skills" section of a job post is often a lie, in the sense that those skills are not strictly requirements

[gaunt elbow]

oh boy

that's the uttermost bullshit part of 90% of job posts

running premade scripts that break once per month -> "strong algorithmic knowledge"

[smoky quest]

while I could concede the "required skills" being bullshit, I would not necessarily put it on "lie". I would rather blame incompetence

[gaunt elbow]

salary range 40k - 55k when they would never pay someone more than 45

"2 - 3 days a week remote" when it's at most once per week and even that would be rare

"5 years xp" when anyone with 1year could do the job

[smoky quest]

So what's the incentives to lie? They are gonna waste time to hire someone who would just leave because of mismatched expectations

[gaunt elbow]

incentives is more often than not pay less than the job is worth

whats the incentive to lie on your CV? ask for more than you think you are worth

[smoky quest]

How would you pay less when the examples given are about making the job look bigger than it is?

[vapid jay]

lying is what sociopaths do best

[gaunt elbow]

"we would pay you what you're asking but you don't meet a lot of our requirements"

[smoky quest]

For an applicant, the incentives are more clear since cheating would give you access to jobs you wouldn't be able to reach otherwise

[gaunt elbow]

true

I lied in my last interview about my previous salary

it worked

[vapid jay]

realistically why would someone with 5 yrs experince be willing to take a low salary of 45k

[gaunt elbow]

south europe here

[vapid jay]

oh

[smoky quest]

with the current market, that wouldn't work too well with average and above candidates

[gaunt elbow]

could you elaborate?

[vapid jay]

oh wait sorry i thought u meant companies lying

[smoky quest]

Life is unfair and so is the market.
From what I see, great candidates are in very high demand. They come in with multiple offers on hand.
The not-so great candidates won't garner that much interest. Thus taking more time, and having more difficulties with jobs

[vapid jay]

its okay to lie to companies to try to get more salary... companies will try todo same to their employees anyways ...its a dog eat dog world

[gaunt elbow]

I will always lie about salaries, not about skills

[smoky quest]

It's never ok to lie

[vapid jay]

its just called 'stretching the truth'....

[gaunt elbow]

it's ok if you're struggling with rent or whatever

[smoky quest]

That would also be lying about your actions

[vapid jay]

you do realize that companies will do w/e it takes to lower ur salaries

[smoky quest]

So do I

[gaunt elbow]

not only it is ok to lie about salaries, it is a good thing because it raises salaries for everyone else in the same market

[vapid jay]

and they will lie in the process to do it... the relationship is already established of a lie

[smoky quest]

If you start with the premise that everyone lie to you, then there are bigger problems

[vapid jay]

why would the company to empoloyee relationship be okay to lie...but employuee to company relationship be focused on truth

[smoky quest]

It's not ok for a company to lie either

[vapid jay]

but..they do1

[gaunt elbow]

lol this seems like a somewhat ideological conversation that ain't going nowhere

[vapid jay]

and u cant stop them from lying... all u can do is learn from that expderirnce

[smoky quest]

they don't. That would create potential legal liability and won't matter in the long run

[vapid jay]

i suppose you are that person who thinks people dont commit crimes either cuz its illegal!

its that backwards thinking