career-advice

[vapid jay]

What could be good place for remote job hunting ( eu based ). So far i tried on linked in but i as i expected im not getting too many responses. I was checking out indeed it seems bit better ever since it sends you to company web page to apply, anyone have some other suggestions ?

im maybe worried for no reason cuz im pretty young

[neon moat]

you are definitely worried for no reason

[vapid jay]

i just have a bit of experience in every aspect and idk in which one to invest

[neon moat]

how many years left in uni?

[vapid jay]

lmao im 16, 1st grade of high school

[neon moat]

then learn a low level language, i wish I knew about programming at your age

[vapid jay]

i started programming at 12 and here i am contributing to github

[neon moat]

i didnt start until i was 25

[marsh wind]

yes for sure worried for no reason. Considering you are 16 and you plan ot go for uni

[vapid jay]

u start coding at 12 and then there are videos talking about 8 year old prodigies and yea self estime close to rock bottom

[marsh wind]

1. take your time to learn things and explore what you enjoy most to do
2. take your time to enjoy life, hang out with friends, getting shitfaced at student parties
3. when are 20-ish, try to get some good internhsips to get real industry experience
4. get a job
5. proffit>??

[neon moat]

@marsh wind your profile picture always looks like a dwarf to me from a distance, wearing a metal hat

[vapid jay]

well im interested in coding most of the time so its my choice mostly to invest time

and the more you try the more you can handle the languages

[marsh wind]

😂😂😂😂 did you figure out what is it really tho?

[neon moat]

some type of whiskey bottle haha

[vapid jay]

tldr; too young, experiment

[marsh wind]

yes. and tbh this take your time to enjoy life, hang out with friends, getting shitfaced at student parties is pretty important 🙂

[lucid vapor]

That's something I should do, but I don't do any of it.

[vapid jay]

same

[marsh wind]

ok, you can skip getting shitfaced 🙂 but socialise, 1000%. It will help you in future both in life and in job

[vapid jay]

well until i find someone who shares something similar (turning to an r/socialadvice)

[marsh wind]

board games are great for that

[vapid jay]

also is installing linux above average skills

[finite maple]

I want to know which message has the most ✅ reactions on it

woops wrong channel

[neon moat]

yes, learn linux now

learn linux because most web servers run using linux

[vapid jay]

im on mint cinnamom 20.1

[neon moat]

yep, thats fine 👍

[vapid jay]

windows just sucks too much for me

[neon moat]

ive never had a problem with windows lol, i just run WSL 2, even tho it can be clunky sometimes, i use macOS for work

[vapid jay]

well updates

[neon moat]

learning linux for a job is great

[vapid jay]

just gotta relearn an os

[neon moat]

not really, just set up an apache server on linux and test it out

[vapid jay]

personally installing apps was frustrating imagine the average user

[neon moat]

try not to focus to much on OS specifics, just use linux as your OS and u will pick it up over time

[vapid jay]

i may start C

[plush galleon]

Where are you from?

[vapid jay]

many apps use it and id like to contribute, other than that its just weird

[plush galleon]

Which language did you learn after .NET?

[vapid jay]

greece

im lucky to have free uni access

[plush galleon]

You can't go wrong with C if you don't learn only C

[vapid jay]

i mean i tried c++ and i felt doomed

c will be even harder

[plush galleon]

Not really but dealing with Linux on a daily basis isn't for everyone

[plush galleon]

The downside is their rankings

[plush galleon]

System programming is a whole new world if you've only used high level languages

[vapid jay]

i dont know why c matters learning

[lucid vapor]

Low level languages can do a lot of things that high level languages can't, such as systems programming.

[vapid jay]

isnt it tedious

any good site to learn c on?

[pulsar drum]

Started learning C# alongside it after a friend recommended it, since it's still in the .NET ecosystem.

[vapid jay]

what???

holy moly

[plush galleon]

When performance becomes critical, lower level languages can save you

[plush galleon]

K&R is probably one of the best books to buy to learn C

Otherwise you can try freecodecamp

[vapid jay]

does c ever get updated

[plush galleon]

I never learned these languages

Are there big differences?

[plush galleon]

ISO/IEC 9899:2018

[pulsar drum]

This isn't the appropriate channel to discuss languages. You can discuss this in an off-topic channel.

[gilded swan]

hey how much programming do i need to know to start applying to jobs?

like ik the basics for python, html, and css but im not proficient in either of them yet

[gilded swan]

how can i get a internal referral if i dont know anyone in software development?

like where have most people met someone in software development that gave them a referral?

[peak halo]

Letting the definition of "resume" be "a one-page document intended to document ones experience as it pertains to an opportunity" and "curriculum vitae" be "a document of any length comprehensively documenting ones professional and academic experience", does anyone in the US maintain a CV?

Note that in this case, CV is not the same as a resume.

[night abyss]

anyone here know about western governors university?

[frosty cape]

Not quite sure if here is quite the right place, but what does Physics have to do with programming?

[summer roost]

Certain types of physics require lots of programming, in order to stimulate or model various systems. I know several professional software developers with physics PhDs

[vapid jay]

yall im at school and i think imma change from comp sci gcse to art bc this shit is so hard and i literally know NOTHING and i mean it and i have 1 month before exams and all so what do yall think? should i stay or should i go?

[frosty cape]

Wait, are we talking about how knowing physics helps me be a better computer scientist or how knowing computer science helps me be a better physicist?

[vapid jay]

every lesson i do nothing and get in trouble too so like idk should i move or???

[vapid jay]

Say if you wanna build a rocket, thats physics and involves comp sci

[true harness]

it could be both, depending on what field you're in. as godlygeek said there are certain fields in programming that involve physics.

[vapid jay]

it goes both ways it helps u in both feilds

can someone answer my question tho its up there

[frosty cape]

Okay thanks

[frank plover]

Hi guys, good evening

Does anyone know what sort of work you can do solo in coding/python that is lucrative?

[jagged flint]

If you don't have the motivation to work on things and continually learn, comp sci isn't for you

[ocean ledge]

it's over bro

[orchid ivy]

Yup. CV's are typically used for jobs in academia, research, and medical fields in the US. The focus of CV is on your credentials, i.e. education, certifications, research experience, etc.

[frank plover]

BUMP

Anyone have any experience with this willing to help out?

[peak halo]

how is it that you're approaching your course work that you know "NOTHING"? You'd have to check your university's policies but I doubt you can get a refund at this point, so I would do as well as you can on the exams and then re-evaluate.

[gilded swan]

what things will your exam cover? you can try searching them up and see if you can understand the subjects

[fossil ruin]

Gcse cs is pretty boring but it is very easy to learn. If your main worry is the exam, use bbc bitesize and the Craig and Dave yt videos to learn the content. Otherwise if you arent enjoying it no point taking it. At gcse it doesnt really matter what you take just make sure you know what you want for A-Level/B-tec etc.

[gray anvil]

I'd say the only non negotiable gcse is math for CS

[dense nymph]

@sudden quartz I want do both because I would like to diversiy my skills

thank you

[true harness]

!rule 6

[inner wren]

Rules

6. No spamming or unapproved advertising, including requests for paid work. Open-source projects can be shared with others in #python-general and code reviews can be asked for in a help channel.

[vapid jay]

@spring sparrow ^ We do not allow for requests for paid work here

[spring sparrow]

i understand

[true harness]

really?

[spring sparrow]

i mean , im just not allowed to involve money in this right? im sorry if i come out as ignorant
im not too clear on the rules here, i can delete the request if thats fine

[vapid jay]

It's still a potentially closed source project and unapproved advertising, you should DM @severe widget if you're not clear about the rules

[buoyant seal]

Game dev is full of physics (literally overflooded)

Well, and I guess data scientists could have a need in physics too

[wise roost]

hi can you make a crafting game (like minecraft) in python???

?????

[modern wedge]

use godot

[wise roost]

ok

[buoyant seal]

You can make even mods for Minecraft in python

At least I saw briefly nice and short book which explained it

[wise roost]

👍

[indigo axle]

Hi, where can I find people interested in working together on small python projects?

[fossil ruin]

Github

[indigo axle]

Cool thanks

[tight monolith]

here i am

what project you have boa ?

[upbeat fable]

Anyone in here who worked professionally in PHP and made the transition to Python?

[upbeat fable]

I'd be interested, Boa.

[ashen elk]

I wouldn't say so - it's mostly math and there would be very few cases where a DS would need knowledge of physics (like rockets)
most DS can get by without knowing too much physics

[ocean ledge]

in general, if your goal is to be a data analyst, then you don't really need to know much of anything-- sql-skills will probably be 99% of your curriculum

[buoyant seal]

all right, then almost game dev only

[ashen elk]

damn. poor DAs

[ocean ledge]

that's why they're called data analysts

[ashen elk]

well, they chose it

I personally would never be able to use sql. we learnt it at school - never.again

[visual perch]

I want to get started with IoT can anyone guide me please

[buoyant seal]

sql is nice ;b don't reject it!

https://sqlbolt.com/

[vapid jay]

Anyone on here a "quant"

Quant finance, etc.

[ashen elk]

I don't want to learn SQL lol

[orchid wagon]

im looking for an algo and also trying to make one

[plush galleon]

Do you remember its name?

[buoyant seal]

the one which I saw was not translated to english
But it should not be the problem, I see similar books around a lot

[solid sierra]

I have to learn bio python for my thesis but idk where to start,too many videos online

also i feel lost

[solid sierra]

is that a snake!!

[buoyant seal]

start with this one, I liked it very much to get started
and my colleagues appreciated it as well

btw, what do you mean by bio ;b

is there a bio python branch of python?

[near ocean]

Biopython is a bioinformatics package

[buoyant seal]

xD what is bioinformatics...
just kidding. nice to know. Already read on my own.

[main urchin]

What would be the Ideal internship if you know a good amount of Java, lots of Python, and C++/HTML

For a high schooler

[snow thunder]

hi

[snow thunder]

ummmmmmm

I do not know

my dream is to work in discord

[ocean ledge]

you really don't

[solid sierra]

thanks for the book suggestion

[sudden quartz]

computer science is not programming.

programming is a tool that every number crunching discipline has use for, and its not hard for a physics phD to increase their skills in it to become a software engineer

[plush galleon]

What was the original language of the book that you mentioned?

[ocean ledge]

programming is as much cs as speaking and writing is literature

[clear fox]

.

[midnight shore]

Could someone please critique my cover letter 🙂

[valid chasm]

Applying for a PM role

Should drop my application regularly in the "I'm Interested" portal

or should have my friend who works at the company submit "Refer a Friend" -> he fills my name, but the form is very generic vs ( I'm Interested -> more detailed application)

[plush galleon]

Where did you learn robotics?

[vapid jay]

#discord-bots

[small barn]

#python-discussion

[ashen elk]

eh. well, you would only learn later on about what actually happens in startups/places like these

[proud merlin]

Hello everyone I am new to programming in general, I am learning through freecodecamp, I was recommended code dojo but freecodecamp seemed better for my current situation. As someone that is interested in building their own algo for trading, payment solutions, decentralized comms, and I know it will take me time to get proficient to tackle any of these aspects. I was wondering what were some of the lessons that helped any of you to continue learning programming and carry on with building what you're interested in. I have a lot of ideas myself of the solutions that I want to build and I just want some guidance on how to get better as I begin.

As a side note, I am in school full-time, but I am not a CS major or in engineering, its something that I wanted to try since HS, just didnt do so well with it when it was taught to me at school.

[buoyant seal]

Russian

[gray anvil]

Too right. Exactly why I'd always say pick the established place when fresh out of college, if the choice was between that and a startup

[spark epoch]

ok

[round spoke]

Hi Guys, I have no coding experience, but I want to learn python
I am looking for a tutor, but my primary purpose is to understand it so I can do this specialization
I would appreciate any guidance
https://coursera.org/specialization/machine-learning-reinforcement-finance

I found these 2 tutors and I am waiting to hear back from them
https://preply.com/en/tutor/420187
https://preply.com/en/tutor/86873

[deep mantle]

I actually learned python through a lecture on udemy

It called :
The python mega course.
In this lecture I learned the basic to advanced python aswell as made 10 applications

the lecture https://www.udemy.com/course/the-python-mega-course/?utm_source=adwords&utm_medium=udemyads&utm_campaign=Python_v.PROF_la.EN_cc.ROW_ti.7380&utm_content=deal4584&utm_term=_._ag_85724077624_._ad_437497333662_._kw__._de_c_._dm__._pl__._ti_dsa-774930046209_._li_1011082_._pd__._&matchtype=b&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIpPDDssrF8AIVFeuyCh27zANMEAAYASAAEgIadfD_BwE

[sudden quartz]

I never had to write one for my internships and I'm no hiring manager, but I would never write a Cover Letter so long.
Cut out the fluff and the obvious stuff

Like its a nice intro but the whole first paragraph is useless. You arent writing an essay for a college application. CL should be more to the point about your personality and a supplement to your resume content

[visual perch]

Does anyone know what is the use of python in the field of IoT?

[unique canopy]

how did you find the course?

[solemn crown]

Hello i am new to programming can someone told me about python and its use in future

[plush galleon]

You can use it for prototyping in environment like Pynq

[plush galleon]

On Udemy I guess

[unique canopy]

No I mean how was the course ?

Like is it good for beginners

[plush galleon]

What do you think about Brilliant.org?

[plush galleon]

This tutorial assumes no prerequisites

[unique canopy]

ok

[vapid jay]

no

[visual perch]

thanks, could you tell me more about it please

[plush galleon]

You can not work in IoT without C++

[visual perch]

woah! really!! I don't like C++

[plush galleon]

The prototyping part can require Python but you will likely need C++ for your projects

[visual perch]

we cannot make project with python in IoT?

ooh

thanks y'all for the insight

[topaz kayak]

I am in economics undergrad and want to do a master's in quantitative economics(lots of hardcore math, statistics and data analysis), my interest in python (and R) is only to that extent. I have completed 1 course on excel in udemy and currently self-learning R this month. Would you recommend me to learn python from this course or should I just get the basic concepts and then move onto things more relevant to my interests

Because from what I can tell this course is aimed at people who want to go into full fledged development

[plush galleon]

I had to do it but the documentation in C++ is light-years ahead of what you can find in Python and there are way more possibilities in C++

[plush galleon]

You can also find free resources on freecodecamp

These tutorials don't go deep in any field and you wouldn't really lose time with them except if the instructor doesn't suit you

[visual perch]

ooh that's sad, since I don't like C++ that much and i'm keenly interested in IoT

[shadow moss]

Focus on Python statistical courses, look for keywords of Pandas, numpy

[plush galleon]

IoT requires dealing with hardware resources and you can't do it with a really high-level language like Python

[plush galleon]

Most Udemy tutorials explain the basis of these concepts

[visual perch]

i think i can use python in the ML part of IoT

[deep mantle]

my father recommended me

[plush galleon]

Why are you asking a question if you came with your own answer?

[deep mantle]

its your choice. If you are completely new you can learn the basics from here. If you are going to do other specific modules (or have a precise aim at learning a specific thing,) then you should do things relevant to your intrest

[visual perch]

that's not a answer, i was just telling you this to know what you think about it, and I really wanted to know the use of python in IoT and your insight really helped, thanks for that😄

[ashen elk]

yeah - too many people don't know the reality of those "fun" places

[ocean ledge]

lmao post pay or bust

no one is gonna work on your jank project unless you have funds for us

[near ocean]

You cant advertise here anyway

[cinder thicket]

Bu günleri de mi görecektik

İyi bayramlar

[leaden jasper]

!warn @steady canyon Please don't advertise on this server and re-read our rules.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @steady canyon.

[leaden jasper]

This is an english speaking server. Please speak english to the best of your ability.

[gilded plover]

I am going into college after attending a early college highschool that has one degree plan for general education. During that time I took a intro into python. What do I need to enter the Computer Science major?

[waxen ibex]

I am not quite picking up your question there.

[ocean ledge]

technically nothing-- you usually take an intro to programming in your first year anyway

[gilded plover]

To make it clearer. What classes should I take before applying for the computer science major

[topaz kayak]

thanks

[pulsar drum]

Are these classes transferrable to your college for credit towards your degree?

[gilded plover]

Yes they transfer but I only have that class for CS, and I was wondering if I needed to take any other courses before applying for my college's CS program

[pulsar drum]

The degree in college is comprehensive, so you don't need to take any additional classes beforehand. You can go in with no knowledge of CS and graduate successfully.

If you want to transfer classes, then look at the degree programme of the colleges you plan to apply to and see which courses they require.

Taking class beforehand matters for transfer students, but not if you're going into college as a freshman

[bold sonnet]

I have a 30 minute coding interview test (with 10 min prep) next week - what can I expect from it? No idea what it will be but any advice/resources to help prepare would be greatly appreciated

[mental sedge]

Any software engineer here I can ask a few questions to? I would really appreciate your help

[random walrus]

Hi. I can help you out.

I'm software engineer.

[ocean ledge]

this heavily depends on what you kind of company you're applying to... check glassdoor for interview questions, this might give you an expectation of what you should prepare for. unicorn tech startup/company? you better understand your domain field really damn well. indian consultancy company? you passed your intro to programming class, this will probably be easier than that.

[ocean ledge]

just ask the questions here, don't ask people to DM you

[rocky vine]

USA or Europe?

[fleet marten]

So I see a posting for a position I'd love to apply to, it's been 2 days and has over 200 applications per linkedin...

[ocean ledge]

i mean, that's not odd

[vapid jay]

@fleet marten do you know anyone who knows anyone at the company? Applying regardless won’t hurt but see if there are networking opportunities and review your resume

[ocean ledge]

when we opened a position on linkedin for a senior ds, we got like 600 apps in the first day

not even entry-level-- i can only imagine it's even more ludicrous for an entry-level data science role

[fleet marten]

looking through their linkedin right now

"unfortunately" it's a remote position, as I think that's what kills me, they're local enough that a commute wouldn't be bad

[vapid jay]

I’d also recommend at the very least matching the language on the job post to you’re resume- obviously don’t plagiarize but they’ll likely be looking for some key words with an applicant pool that large, @ocean ledge plz correct me if I’m wrong

[fleet marten]

I was planning on copy pasting their listing, and then just transforming each line if possible into a previous role

[ocean ledge]

yeah, that's usually the strategy, but if we find some really good credentials we often forgive them if they haven't used a tech stack we care about

[fleet marten]

Yea, I'm a lot weaker on the tech side

[vapid jay]

Just be careful that it doesn’t read like it was copy and pasted- similar from what I’ve heard is good, exactly the same not so much.

[ocean ledge]

for example, a lot of our interviews were with professors getting out of academia

[fleet marten]

Only started learning last year, and they want strong SQL with python a plus, I have pretty solid python with a bit of SQL.

[ocean ledge]

so the competition is pretty harsh there

[fleet marten]

It's in a regulated industry which I have a decade of experience in, and i hit the nail on the head for every not SQL related line (which is all but 2)

but my gap in employment only gets longer....

[ocean ledge]

but again, you don't need per se to satisfy all the requirements of a job description to get the job

for my current job i pretty much satisfied... 2 things maybe? out of maybe 7-8 things

[vapid jay]

If the posting isn’t going down soon then take a course or get some training for SQL- I have heard that living by the 80/20 rule helps. If you can do 100% your over qualified, if you can do less then 80, your under qualified

[fleet marten]

In my past life I did have to orchestrate the sql queries for moving a database to Salesforce, so that's a plus, I just didn't write them, just ensured they were acceptable

I plan on chugging some serious SQL these next few days, I've been dabbling, finally beginning to understand the patterns

[vapid jay]

At the end of the day you’ll never know unless you apply

[ocean ledge]

and usually the people we interview that did seem to satisfy all those job requirements did pretty poorly in the interview, so ymmv

[fleet marten]

Any recommendations for design?

layout and whatnot, one page I imagine? graphs and other stupid crap? just words? big bold shapes of color?

[vapid jay]

@ocean ledge you mentioned you have a decade of experience- how often have you seen someone start as a data analyst and transition into a data science at the same company?

[fleet marten]

wait, 2 / 8? for real?

[ocean ledge]

lol i didn't mention i have a decade in experience, @fleet marten did-- but the other senior data scientist on my team started from data sci intern during his masters to data scientist 1 (which is like a data analyst) to eventual senior ds in like, 5 years

[vapid jay]

Oof my bad 🤦🏼‍♀️ that’s insightful though thanks

[ocean ledge]

but yeah it happens, but usually not the norm. for context, we're a nyc-based tech company in lower manhattan, and we have around 28 data scientists of various levels, so we're fairly mature in our hiring practices

[ocean ledge]

yes-- gotta understand two things: 1) most job descriptions are unfortunately first drafted by a hiring manager, and then passed to HR, which means things get called "requirements" way too freely, and 2) not fulfilling a tech stack is fine if you have a great portfolio that shows that you are capable to working deeply with certain technologies/understand statistical techniques at a high level, which is important for certain types of ml

[plush galleon]

No problem for the message you didn't thank for

[plush galleon]

I thought that you were sarcastic and then I read the next messages

[fleet marten]

nope, how I always build my resumes, based on the job posting

if I did something they're not asking about, they don't care is how I see it.

[plush galleon]

Why wouldn't they care if you mentioned A that is not a requirement? Can't it make up for the fact that they require B that you don't master or even know?

[fleet marten]

IDK, I only have so much space to sell myself basd on what they're asking for

So I focus on what they said they want, not what I think they might care about. They already made it clear what they're looking for, seems best to appeal to that, no?

[lucid sun]

Hi, anyone here?

I still got a year for college, And they are teaching me python in school. IS there a necessity to learn another language?

like C++ or JAVA along with Python?

Please tag me with the reply..

[plush galleon]

I was talking about the skills that you didn't have

If you don't have a skill, why wouldn't you mention skills you have to make up for the fact that you don't have another skill

In your message, I thought that you mentioned that you didn't have all that they wanted

[fleet marten]

My SQL is subpar

I have extensive experience with creating queries & joins via a gui frontend

[plush galleon]

I wouldn't learn only Python for the sake of Python but you can specialize in a field and learn languages that would help you achieve that

[lucid sun]

You are recommending me to specialise in python and learn another legacy language as per needs in the future?

[plush galleon]

For college I'd learn the basics of C

[fleet marten]

Why legacy? learn Rust, learn Go

They're all the rage, but I would say if you're young, don't stop at Python.

The more you learn the easier it gets, and the more marketable you are.

You won't ever be kicking yourself for learning a language like I am currently for putting off SQL

[jolly furnace]

tbh once u get used to rusts compiler u think every other compiler is garbo

[plush galleon]

"legacy"
I would like to tag Stroustrup, Kernighan, Ritchie, Klabnik, Nichols and way more people to answer you

[lucid sun]

You mean to say its the end of C++ and JAVA?

[fleet marten]

not at all

I mean to say if you don't want to learn a legacy language, don't. But don't only learn Python, there's so much more out there too.

[plush galleon]

I might have something to help you with SQL but I found it easier than other languages so I guess you don't need help for that

[fleet marten]

I'm on sqlbolt right now

[lucid sun]

The thing is that I have been spoilt by the ease of python language, its syntaxless code and stuff

[plush galleon]

I can not disagree with that at all

[fleet marten]

https://hackr.io/ is where I go when I gotta find something, it led me to sqlbolt

[lucid sun]

oh...k

[plush galleon]

I only go there to find projects

[fleet marten]

TBH I can't see Java dying anytime in the next 50 years, just like COBOL refuses to die, F500's are too slow to move

[plush galleon]

I didn't know that this site served another purpose

[fleet marten]

Points you to tutorials too, and paid sites, all sorts of stuff

[plush galleon]

A relative of mine learned COBOL during internship 35 years ago and still uses it

[lucid sun]

I have just begin my coding career with hackerrank a few weeks ago... 🥲

[plush galleon]

Thanks

[fleet marten]

Keep at it every day

[plush galleon]

Don't consider "older" (Java is younger than Python btw) Python as "legacy" and you'll be fine in your journey

And you don't want to wake up the Rust community

[fleet marten]

What was this thing though, I am always interested in as many available techniques as I can get my handso n

I love doing the same thing differently, it's how I best remember, and I have a lot of SQL reading to do, so rather not read the same thing the same

[lucid sun]

Whats so special about rust?
PS : Dont get me wrong, I just began coding a few weeks ago

[gray anvil]

Excuse you

[true harness]

<@&831776746206265384>

[plush galleon]

Mosh's SQL tutorial on YouTube

[plush galleon]

You can't see it if you don't try it

I don't know if Rust would be suitable for a first language since it's not that easy to approach

But if you're in high school you still have time to learn everything you want

[fleet marten]

As opposed to C, the classic first language that is super approachable?

[plush galleon]

Python was influenced by C and you can approach (not master in any way) C quite easily

Your sarcasm becomes... sarcasm quite fast in the C journey though

[summer roost]

C is a tiny language. Someone who knows Python well can probably learn most of the C language in a week.

[plush galleon]

There are 168h in a week so I guess you can do it

[summer roost]

I think someone who knows Python well can cover the C language, excluding the stdlib, in 40 to 60 hours, realistically. There's just not that much to it.

[plush galleon]

There are only a few keywords in C but I'd say that you'd need more like 75 hours to switch from Python (without knowing any other programming language) to C

At college we had a few credits of C and we spend less than 100 hours in classrooms to cover the basics starting from 0

[empty oracle]

Should i code on Hackerrank or leetcode?

[unique canopy]

hey guys, can i know if we have to learn frontend first and then backend in web development?

[quiet ravine]

Hey guys, I have been invested in the Data science sector a lot , studying courses on coursera udemy from recognized institutions and udemy. I have learned almost all libraries required and even machine learning.

Now I don't to how to start my career?

[half minnow]

being able to deal with pointers and memory allocation is a nightmare, C lacks basic things like strings and collections; be prepared to implement your own linked lists and hash tables.....It will take many months to be mildly effective with C

Java hid a lot of the nightmares of C, people turned to Python to not deal with the nightmares of Java........thinking a python programmer can pick up C easily is naive

[plush galleon]

Java avoided a bit of C++'s constraints which was meant to be a superset of C

[lucid sun]

So, which language do you recommend to learn after learning python, I only know python. And I still got a year for college.
I plan to learn another language cause many tell that python is way too easy and it would be really hard to adapt to another language.

And I also intend to start competitive programming after a year or so.
Pls tag me for the reply

[digital fjord]

if you want to do competitive programming, you have no choice but to learn C++

best start early with that, there is a pretty steep learning curve there with regards to how things are passed and such.

[lucid sun]

The thing is that few suggest me to avoid C as it has a very steep learning code and outdated and isnt worth the effort

[digital fjord]

yeah, I would not bother learning C. But C++ is a different language entirely

[lucid sun]

I meant C++ only 🤦

they advise me to go for either dart, or JS or Java, I am so confused now 😭

[digital fjord]

if you want to do competitive programming, you will have to know C++, even if only to learn CP, since all the examples will be in C++. No way around that. And C++ is a lot of things, but I find it hard to argue that it is outdated.
JS or Java or Dart are all solid options in terms of just knowing more languages, sure. But they won't be as useful for competitive programming.
At the same time, in a year, you could learn JS or Java (no idea bout Dart) and then learn C++ for competitive programming after.
If you just wanted a language that is extremely different from python to sort of "broaden your horizons", there is prolog or haskell, but those aren't going to be very useful overall.

@junior slatehello, please keep all communication on the server in english

[gusty carbon]

is this related to career discussion?

[vapid jay]

roadmap from 10th grade to FANG pls

[ocean ledge]

alright, step 1: get rid of all your friends, they're just distractions on your roadmap

[warped epoch]

Sarcasm?

[ocean ledge]

yes, wtf is a roadmap to fang lmao just live your life and if you're competent you'll find a job, otherwise you'll crash and burn

[warped epoch]

Haha sorry XD

Sorry I don't even know what fang is

So I was confused with your advice

[gusty carbon]

Facebook Amazon Apple Netflix Google

[warped epoch]

Oh

now the answer makes sense XD

[crude wyvern]

hey if any of u learning machine learning i'm beginner it if u are good or beginner we can be do it together.

[misty idol]

That video isn't appropriate for this channel.

[harsh bone]

I want to learn python , someone help me by providing the road map of python

[feral mesa]

there is a roadmap on GitHub I think called learn python in 4weeks roadmap

[true harness]

link? sounds impossible

[kind egret]

Which language should I learn for app development mainly for Android
Kotlin or react

[near ocean]

react isnt a language and its not meant for android dev

[kind egret]

React native

I think it is framework of java

[near ocean]

oh, my bad, completely forgot it was a thing

[gusty carbon]

javascript

[digital fjord]

I would suggest kotlin, unless you also plan to have a website

[past grove]

Does anybody have any suggestions for if you want to do python freelancing as an expert beginner?

[deep mantle]

get the basic concepts and then move onto things more relevant to my interests

[inner wren]

Hey @vagrant pilot!

It looks like you tried to attach a Python file - please use a code-pasting service such as https://paste.pythondiscord.com

[lucid sun]

Hey I just moved from programming in IDLE TO VS CODE, how do I enter input in vs code? Tag me for ans..

Output tab says read only...

[lunar hill]

yo guys

[lucid sun]

Oh... sorry I didn't know, I thought this to be too silly to ask in a help channel

[lunar hill]

anyone know a bot who send a notification on every new instagram post

[plush galleon]

It isn't outdated in any way but since you consider it as legacy...

[plush galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/fierté-franglais-bilingue-anglais-bad-english-gif-14261085

[plush galleon]

Do you know if Kotlin now offers same possibilities as Java's? I heard that in spite of the fact that it's the main language for Android development it still lacked interfacing with C++

[turbid ridge]

cant you mix the 2?

[near ocean]

When applications say "Expert knowledge of Python" what am i supposed to take away from that
What's expert knowledge of python

[jolly furnace]

i bet the person who posted that cant quantify it either

[near ocean]

Hate it when they do that, i dont think i would ever classify myself as an expert in anything, it doesnt work like that

This is how young people nowadays develop impostor syndrome

[broken shore]

when I think expert level I am usually thinking what a senior developer does

[gloomy sierra]

Hi everyone! How can I ask for help in this server ?

[true harness]

for python help, check out #❓｜how-to-get-help

[near ocean]

How am I, as an unemployed graduate, supposed to know what a senior dev does day to day? Also this was a junior dev position so im not really sold on that take

[sonic mica]

what's the best type of career for me? I want to do both back-end and front-end but I don't want to deal with all the other duties and stress a full-stack dev needs to deal with such as writing tests, writing documentation, managing the whole project etc...

[shadow moss]

Learning those things and being whatever dev you want to be. Generally front end and backend devs require better docs since someone else will be integrating their stuff.

[sonic mica]

also, what does a web developer do exactly? and why do web developers get paid less than back/front end developers

[shadow moss]

Generally just design sites, write some HTML or CSS. They generally aren’t a thing anymore since they have been replaced by front end devs.

[sonic mica]

ah, alright

[ocean ledge]

just get over it and apply-- if they think you're not qualified, you won't get a call. if you are, you'll (maybe) get a call. not that complicated

[empty oracle]

Any github portfolios i can see to make something similar for mine. Dont really know what to put on my github related to data science. Projects are usually on jupyter notebooks and Google collab

[kind egret]

Which language should I learn for app development

I am confused

[gusty carbon]

Flutter/Kotlin/Java

[kind egret]

Can I learn kotlin without knowing java

[gusty carbon]

yes

but i recommend flutter because you can make apps for many platforms like ios, macos, windows, linux, web not just android all from one codebase

[kind egret]

Ok thanks

[vapid jay]

hey

i want to learn AI

what to do

[gusty carbon]

this is not related to this channel's topic

[gusty carbon]

https://tensorflow.org tensorflow is a good library for AI

[plush galleon]

Kotlin or Java, your pick. You'd be recommended to learn Kotlin, tough, since it's the primary officially supported language for Android development for a couple of years.

[vapid jay]

Helo

HeloHeloHelo

[gusty carbon]

hi

[mild pilot]

@distant oak Please don't post unrelated stuff in this channel. This is for career discussion.

[violet raven]

Hello, im looking for a certification course on python to lean and put in on my resume. Any reccomendations?

learn*

[inner wren]

Hey @vapid jay!

It looks like you tried to attach file type(s) that we do not allow (.pdf). We currently allow the following file types: .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .mov, .mp4, .mpg, .png, .mp3, .wav, .ogg, .webm, .webp, .flac, .m4a.

Feel free to ask in #community-meta if you think this is a mistake.

[feral parrot]

So I'm comming from a 1 year of C++, and I love Python but I always heard Python is good for machine learning, AI. Those things are too grand and big for me. What's the normal job for a Python programmer that is not that complicated

[vapid jay]

Teacher

[feral parrot]

well teaching is always an option for anything, something else ?

[near ocean]

Python is general purpose, you can find a job using python in any field

[vapid jay]

@feral parrot I have a book that can guide you for machine learning

Explaination is simple

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://index-of.es/Varios-2/Hands%2520on%2520Machine%2520Learning%2520with%2520Scikit%2520Learn%2520and%2520Tensorflow.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwih5t_g4cvwAhW34zgGHbovC00QFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw20OggMV5Use9_ttp7-eRr1

Go to this link, you will get the pdf of that book

[fossil ruin]

Wrong channel but it means you need to add to PATH either manually or by reinstalling python and ticking the add to PATH box

[vapid jay]

alr sorry

[tough pilot]

Anyone know wheee I can find information about monetizing my programs and how to credit packages/modules without getting sued for making money ?

[fleet marten]

it means the person writing the position doesn't know what Python is, so apply anyways. What's the worst that'll happen, you won't get the job?

Just like when they want 5 years experience in a 2 year old framework

[near ocean]

I applied anyway im just trying to guess at the work culture in the company that leads to applications like this one

[fleet marten]

It only takes a few people to make job reqs a mess

It's almost comical when you look at a job req after you leave a position and they seek to fill the gap, you wonder where they come up with half the stuff they put in there if they're replacing you

[rich widget]

Hey guys, I’m new to this community. I’m about to sign up for a part time Python course (Not boot camp). Do you think I should also hire a mentor as well? Do you believe part time is also a good way to learn or it could be a waste of time for a newbie?

Wrong channel. lol please redirect me to the correct channel?

[vapid jay]

Me also spending some hours of my day in learning python and I don't think it's a waste of time. Also there are many youtube videos for learning Python or u may register for a course of any platform, as u wish.

If u wish u can hire a mentor but I think Google, youtube, and the people of the community are more than enough. If you are stuck in a code then just paste it in the help channel and someone will help you within few mins

[rich widget]

Thank you! I needed a little outside opinion. I believe this community can he a huge help for me. Appreciate you!

[vapid jay]

No problem🙂

[plush galleon]

Machine Learning is not always AI

[true harness]

isn't it?

[teal snow]

hey guys, I'm undecided in what to do. Like I'm at intermediate level with my programming, framework and databases. But i don't have any certificate of course. So i was confused about doing a certification course or an internship. Lemme know what you think about this.

[orchid ivy]

find out what you want to do. what are you genuinely interested in that you'd like to work on? from there you can figure out the requirements for that path.

[grave fossil]

my ip is 104.219.234.142

and my host name is ip-104-219-234-142.host.datawagon.net

i live in united states with the isp of DataWagon LLC

[gusty carbon]

its the other way, AI is not always Machine Learning

[ashen elk]

AI --> Machine Learning --> Deep Learning.
Hence, ML is always AI but not vice versa
And AI is not always Machine Learning.

This is not actually set in stone, but the classification due to accepted definitions. Like if I would see linguistically, it makes more sense for AI to be equal to machine learning since it suggests "teaching machines" to do something/ giving it intelligence artificially..
But this is just the accepted convention

[plush galleon]

Actually it's true in both ways
A growing number of authors consider that machine learning isn't always part of AI
For example, in The Book of Why, Judea Perl and Dana Mackenzie agree with Poole, Mackworth and Goebel in that AI implies that the agent interacts with its environment to take actions that maximize its chance of successfully achieving its goal.

The idea emerged in the 1990s

[ashen elk]

It's subjective, but the current perception appears to be the most correct

AI implies that the agent interacts with its environment to take actions that maximize its chance of successfully achieving its goal.
That is an extremely narrow statement to make - not to mention incorrecet by some authors.

Intelligence doesn't serve only to complete goals. your intelligence can also think about metaphysical questions when you don't need it for your survival. Not everything you do might have a positive reward for a particular goal in future

[plush galleon]

Actually the most "current" perception is the one I mentioned

A growing number of authors consider that systems that only observe and don't interact can't be classified in AI

Actually the metaphysical questions are required to help you understand other concepts in another way

[ashen elk]

it's not. I can list several experts who would disagree with that line of thinking. Even from a neuroscience perspective, that statement would be pretty wrong

[ashen elk]

well, you are just contradicting your own statement

AI implies that the agent interacts with its environment to take actions that maximize its chance of successfully achieving its goal.

[plush galleon]

It is the most current. You can't deny that it did flourish after your statement.

[plush galleon]

Where's the contradiction?

[ashen elk]

It is the most current.
A single google search would be enough to demonstrate my point

[plush galleon]

A single search on any search engine would be more than enough to prove you the flat earth theory

[ashen elk]

you said before:

AI implies that the agent interacts with its environment to take actions
and now you say:
A growing number of authors consider that systems that only observe and don't interact can't be classified in AI
notice the "agent" interacts point

[plush galleon]

I wrote that AI implies that the agent interacts. If it doesn't interact, it is not.

I might have made a mistake since English is my 3rd language but I don't see it.

[plush galleon]

I have a course where the diagram isn't this one because it considers that what I did during my internship (only observation and no real interactions) isn't AI.

[ashen elk]

see, AI would be any technique that produces intelligence non-biologically (artifically). And ML would always be a subset of it since AI encompasses all techniques, while ML is only for statistical techniques

Coming to the original conflict, "Machine Learning is not AI"

A growing number of authors consider that machine learning isn't always part of AI - Nocxy
Machine learning would always be a part of AI as much as if-else rules would be.

even if we reached full intelligence and consciousness with ML (which we likely won't) it stil won't be considered that ML = AI simply because ML used a particular technique to reach AGI and there is not gurantee that other techniques can't achieve the same (if not better)

[plush galleon]

You wrote "would always" so you don't even consider that you can be wrong even if I can show you a statement from an MIT professor stating that some parts of ML can't be sorted in AI

So I wish you a good filter bubble

[ashen elk]

I would love to be contradicted 🤔

[plush galleon]

It's getting too early on this side of the globe

[ashen elk]

atleast the name of the professor?

[plush galleon]

Of course
I wouldn't write "a professor" out of bad faith

(not sure of this sentence tough)

Luis Perez-Breva

[ashen elk]

and his quote?

[plush galleon]

I don't remember the exact quotation but I can send you the interview

[ashen elk]

sure

[plush galleon]

https://www.cognilytica.com/2018/03/28/ai-today-podcast-30-interview-with-mit-professor-luis-perez-breva-contrary-perspectives-on-ai-and-ml/

[ashen elk]

which part tho? it's pretty long

[plush galleon]

I hope I'll find some time to listen to it today (I'm in Europe) and send you a timecode

[ashen elk]

"In a recent interview with MIT Professor Luis Perez-Breva, he argues that while these various complicated training and data-intensive learning systems are most definitely Machine Learning (ML) capabilities, that does not make them AI capabilities. In fact, he argues, most of what is currently being branded as AI in the market and media is not AI at all, but rather just different versions of ML where the systems are being trained to do a specific, narrow task, using different approaches to ML, of which Deep Learning is currently the most popular. ..."
Doesn't seem to contradict my point

and I can't find anywhere else that he has said "ML is not a part of AI"

[plush galleon]

The statement you quoted doesn't contradict me

I gotta go

[ashen elk]

ofc he doesn't - that's my point. nowhere has he uttered anything that resembles your claims

[serene violet]

hello, today i finished my cs50x course and i'm puzzled if i should enter the web or the ai course, can anyone with some experience give me an advice

[elder cloak]

Its up to you

Dont pick one you don’t like, thats the only advice i have.

@serene violet

[half minnow]

as a person who who is aware of Hubert Dreyfus criticism of "AI" and Noam Chomsky's analysis of language and the mind, I find it horrified how casually some of these terms of used and the assumptions made

most data science done today is more or less just statistical learning; if you think that the authors of those algorithms had any delusions that what they were doing was related to 'Artificial Intelligence", you are deluded

statistical learning is simply a branch of statistics that focused on predictive power of statistical models over interpretability and hypnosis testing

"deep learning" and modern neural networks borrow some concepts from engineering(as in applied physics), it was not until the 90's that statisticians looked into neural networks, largely as large margin classifiers

[weak sable]

As I'm doing my BE CSE 2nd yr in India I want to do projects related to Ml in final sem what is the step to learn ML (having py knowledge,basic maths) is there any proper pathway or good material to learn it

or should I need to do web dev and go for higher studies in ML

[digital owl]

so I'm having this weird thought, I posted a whatsapp story in which I'm listening to a song on Spotify, and the band name had the word "sex" in it(fyi, it's cigerettes after sex). I later saw in the views list, there was my company HR too which saw it.

Now I don't know I'm being paranoid, but will they do anything to me?
I mean, posting a story with the word "sex" in it
Even tho it's a song. btw i posted that story on my personal whatsapp account with my personal phone

[vapid jay]

I have a book that can guide you for machine learning

[vapid jay]

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://index-of.es/Varios-2/Hands%2520on%2520Machine%2520Learning%2520with%2520Scikit%2520Learn%2520and%2520Tensorflow.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjv253P3M3wAhU5zzgGHdfFDUIQFjAAegQIAxAC&usg=AOvVaw20OggMV5Use9_ttp7-eRr1

Click on this link u will get the pdf of the book

[lucid sun]

thank you @vapid jay

[vapid jay]

Your welcome🙂

[hearty nymph]

Can someone please tell me what's difference between computer science and computer engineer

My passion goes towards artifical intelligence and ik that its computer science but i want to be an engineer so is there an artifical intelligence in computer engineer like machine learning or deep learning and so on ?

what about robotics ?

[ashen elk]

I agree with your statements 🙂 but I am confused as to what you meant to reply on. I had already summarized what you explained - so I don't see which statement of mine contradicts the "ML is just statistical learning not AI" phrase.

if you think that the authors of those algorithms had any delusions that what they were doing was related to 'Artificial Intelligence", you are deluded
A very strong assumption - if I were to give proof that our brain does indeed work statistically (knowing that it does not) , consciousness is statistically derived so we can achieve AGI with ML - why wouldn't you consider ML to be under Artificial Intelligence?

I do get that predictive modelling is not intelligence per se but only appears to be a narrow slice of true intelligence. nonetheless, its valid for the definition that it does show some extremely basic level of intelligence. what would your reasons be to not classify it as Artificial intelligence (under the internationally accepted definitions)?

we can continue this discussion on #data-science-and-ml if you would like

[vapid jay]

You can learn Machine learning from any domain you domain expertise make your leaning Better

Artificial intelligence is a broad word and machine learning is a part of it and there is no well defined course for artificial intelligence you can learn any way best suited for you . But to understand it's concepts you should be good at mathematics and statistics and computer science

[hearty nymph]

so AI is focused on computer science

[ashen elk]

and heavy mathematics, statistics too

[hearty nymph]

isnt heavy mathematics and statistics can be in engineering as well

[ashen elk]

but that is current DL. for actual AI/AGI research you would also need a decent understanding of Bio too

[hearty nymph]

u mean Biology ? lmao

[ashen elk]

yeah. and heavy mathematics might be in engineering, but I wouldn't say about stats. you have to check that yourself

this is not the appropriate channel. read the description up top

[hearty nymph]

so AI is not mostly about programming , its about math and statistics ?

[ashen elk]

yes - deep learning that is

[hearty nymph]

what about machine learning and neural networks, are they the same ?

[swift lantern]

Ok

[ashen elk]

that is a part of Deep learning (Neural networks) while machine learning comprises mostly of traditional algorithms

[hearty nymph]

mm what about robotics

[ashen elk]

control theory - you can DM raggy if you want to know more

[hearty nymph]

elaborate if u please

[ashen elk]

current robotics doesn't use AI

[hearty nymph]

how , isnt robots built using ai like Sophia

[ashen elk]

it's mostly control theory which is quite different

[ashen elk]

no, that's not AI. it's just hardcoded responses written out by someone

[hearty nymph]

whaat ? but how can sophia see and describe someone's if he smiles or not, isnt that image AI

[ashen elk]

if she can actually do that, then yeah that's basic AI. but not something you would be working with at any point of time

[hearty nymph]

So again , I apologize , if i want to major in AI i have to get into CS correct ?

[ashen elk]

yes

[hearty nymph]

ok thank you

I apologize i've one more question what about game development like Unity or UE4

@ashen elk

[ashen elk]

dunno about it, but Game dev uses a lot of Physics + C.S

[hearty nymph]

yea im in love with physics in general and math

so guess CS is my career either for AI or game dev, Thank you again ❤️

[ashen elk]

be sure to research up about what they actually do in professions - like in game dev, you can be expected to work for crunch hours with little regards to your sanity

[hearty nymph]

sure thing

[vapid jay]

Yes?

[desert moat]

Very sorry, it was accidental...

[craggy wave]

There were scammy messages here, but I deleted them

Re: @vapid jay

[desert moat]

Yeah, I saw it too late and still sent the message.

[shadow mist]

I just got fired from my first SWE job and I'm looking for another one. I'm still in college and I'm a believer that I could learn more in the actual field. Does anyone have any advice on how to get in?

[quaint mulch]

I am a systems administrator. I use python daily through Ansible, an automation platform for computer and network equipment management.

[vast forum]

I'm looking for part time job in python. Can some one help?

[lucid vapor]

You can check the job board sites in the channel pins

[ornate badger]

I had a question for someone already working in software engineering:

Besides knowing Python and libraries like Pandas and Numpy. What else do you need to know for work? Like Github? SQL? etc.

[wicked apex]

@ornate badger depends on what you plan on doing. web dev jobs would require something like Django or Flask, a FE framework, probably SQL, most definitely GIT. you could also make GUI desktop apps with PyQT/Tkinter/Kivy/other. also there's the entire ML "toolchain"...

[ornate badger]

Thanks

[half minnow]

consciousness being derived from statistics is a hard position to defend(one not made by many authors in the field); I would recommend looking into the philosophy of mind, there are lots of papers on that topic.

[shadow moss]

understand Git is good along with SQL, picking up another language like Java/Kotlin or C# or Javascript/Typescript is great idea as well

[ornate badger]

Thank you

[tame escarp]

I wouldn't focus on learning Java or JavaScript just to find a job. Although this depends on kind of job you are looking for.

[shadow moss]

Few jobs mainline Python

[tame escarp]

So my view is: You could try to spend 6-12+ months learning new things to try to find a jobs or you can focus on job search first and see what you need.

[shadow moss]

so unless you are working on getting a job in something like Data Science/Engineer or SRE or QA, just knowing Python isn't as helpful as another language that is more commonly used

[tame escarp]

If all jobs you are interested in are asking for something, then you might consider that as potentially very useful to have.

If you are a student, go ahead and learn a lot of things. If you need a job, spend more time on searching and finding out what you can do to improve your resume first.

[shadow moss]

Java/Kotlin is my first recommendation, followed by Javascript/Typescript if oyu love the web, C# if for some reason you think .Net Core is awesome

[marsh wind]

Is .net core bad though? It seem to be used quite some even if not everywhere like java and JS

[ashen elk]

I literally said "(knowing that it does not)"

[shadow moss]

It’s very decent language and we use it at work as primary language. However, it’s not as popular as Java/Kotlin for large enterprise systems.

[half minnow]

oh, my bad

[night lark]

really new to this stuff, just started 3 days ago. a friend recommended automate the boring stuff and it's going well. i'm hoping to release a game when i have enough knowledge, what's the time frame for a passable "game" using python?

[autumn bluff]

What if someone comes with an innovative thing, how can he get people to use it

[fringe pine]

Well I suppose it has to be something that is actually useful to people.

[wise roost]

I liked to ask you why godot shows errors when you open it and then it opens normally?????

answer

please

hahaha

[autumn bluff]

lol u r nice guy ok bui bui

[vapid jay]

Hi guys just a quick question. I am given the title of “production engineer” for a fellowship I am doing but it is more or less software engineering at sustems level. As I want to become a software engineer going forward, (and to show my skills), is it acceptable to dub the fellowship as “software engineering fellow” instead? Or is this misleading on resume?

[acoustic hull]

I would contact your employer

in case of reference for example

[cinder epoch]

Could anyone tell me how to learn python??

[lucid vapor]

See below. Also, maybe #python-discussion is a better channel to talk about general Python.

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[ocean ledge]

that's pretty misleading, considering fellow is used actually for a fairly high position (almost distinguished engineer)

also, what is the difference here between a fellowship and internship? i don't there is any, so just call yourself an intern

[wise roost]

why godot shows errors when you open it and then it opens normally?????

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[safe loom]

Hey guys, I keep reading title lines like data scientists disappearing in 10 years or so. Should I be worried ?

[buoyant seal]

I think those articles mention data scientists as possibly dissapearing profession, but
they mentioned their dissapearance because of growing machine learning
so just become machine learning data scientist in oder to solve the issue

https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5aa6512aee175959214ac5cf/t/5c374cc5898583924e59c368/1547128007787/The+Disappearance+of+the+Data+Scientist+Helix+Insight.pdf
based my saying on reading first page of this

[marsh wind]

why are you posting this question is the careers channel? If it's somehow python related I recommend you to check #❓｜how-to-get-help otherwise maybe one of off-topic channel

[buoyant seal]

technically it is highly career related and highly python related question
you know, python is for machine learning ;b

[marsh wind]

godot?

[buoyant seal]

oh. you linked different question, nvm.
i was talking about
#career-advice message

[buoyant seal]

with godot he would look fine in #game-development channel 😉

[dire wing]

Which country offers better services to software Engineers ?

[rotund dove]

hello everyone i need help with one code

@client.command(name='mute')
@commands.has_any_role("⌊ 👑 ⌉ Właściciel","⌊ 🎪 ⌉ Discord Developer","⌊ 📌 ⌉ Admin DC","⌊ ⚡ ⌉ Moderator DC")
async def tempmute(ctx, member: discord.Member, time: int, d, *, reason):
    guild = ctx.guild

    for role in guild.roles:
        if role.name == "Muted":
            await member.add_roles(role)

            embed = discord.Embed(title="Wyciszony!", description=f"{member.mention} został wyciszony. ", colour=discord.Colour.light_gray())
            embed.add_field(name="Powód:", value=reason, inline=False)
            embed.add_field(name="Wyciszenie zostanie usunięte za:", value=f"{time}{d}", inline=False)
            await ctx.send(embed=embed)

            if d == "s":
                await asyncio.sleep(time)

            if d == "m":
                await asyncio.sleep(time*60)

            if d == "h":
                await asyncio.sleep(time*60*60)

            if d == "d":
                await asyncio.sleep(time*60*60*24)

            await member.remove_roles(role)

            return
            

all workings but if i mute player i write e.g nc!mute @rotund dove 1 h reason, but i dont want space on time whos know how do it?

[last walrus]

summer internship kese milege

[fossil ruin]

This is not the channel ask in #discord-bots

[light grove]

what is he creating

[peak halo]

I had a phone interview with an HR person who works with three departments in a large US company, and he told me 12 days ago that he'd get back to me once those departments get back to him. I'm wondering if I should take a hint, follow up, or what.

Usually I would, but I don't want to be pushy when they already said they were waiting on others.

[marsh wind]

if you're inpatient follow up in 14 days, if you think you can affort to wait do it after 3 weeks. Do you have any other leads/ongoing hiring processes?

[peak halo]

I have one other for the moment, but I've put in a lot of applications in the last week so other contacts might roll in over the next few days.

[marsh wind]

ok so the reason I ask is this: if you have advancements with other places you can kinda use it to nudge/follow up: i.e. you're not just do follow-up for the sake of it but also mention that you are engaged in the interview process with others companies. This way they might be more inclined to reply or followup themselves on said departments if their interested in you

[minor vale]

please, what are the best gig for python

i done learning python, i need a specific field in python to focus on for now.

[lucid vapor]

There is no "best field". It wholly depends on what you like to do.

[minor vale]

it should be prolly b something easy

[minor vale]

i like all aspects, but i need one that help me earn job online easily.

[peak halo]

I'll probably wait another week to follow up with that company and see what this week holds.

[ocean ledge]

pick up a few certs and become a qa tester

otherwise, hustle cuz life aint easy boy

[vapid jay]

Hey, do you think data scientist is a great career?

talking about the pay, work time and etc

[agile crystal]

What are you guys' opinions on short cover letters for entry positions?

[smoky quest]

yes

[worldly root]

i need Suggestion i will complete graduation this year but problem is I don't have coding knowledge. I tried to learn coding but i can't do it. So i need a advice what happens if cs graduate don't have coding knowledge does he have other career opportunities. Thanks

if there what should i learn for it

[summer roost]

What do you like? What are you good at, what are you interested in?

[worldly root]

I'm interested in coding too but i can't able to remember coding and I can't able to solve small errors. Except coding i prefer anything.

[past birch]

I am from the Finance background and I want to adapt to the new methods in financing incorporating risk management analysis into my models.. for this i want to learn cooking but I DON'T KNOW FROM WHERE TO START...
IF POSSIBLE CAN YOU GUIDE ME IN CHOSING LANGUAGES TO LEARN FROM BASICS ??

[kind egret]

Someone pls tell the difference between react react native react js

[lucid sun]

I plan on doing freelancing as a side hustle, will python be useful to me?
tag me

[gray anvil]

If you want a side hustle starting from scratch try website design, learn bootstrap and go nuts

You can make pretty things quite easily

[quiet ravine]

can anyone recommend a startup one can do with python?

[crude folio]

Anybody experienced with linkedin here? My old company hasn't added their logo, is there a way I can do this for them?

I was hoping there is an option in linkedin to add one without having to contact them

[gray anvil]

Love the name, but yeah linkedin is terrible about that. Also a pain if you're trying to share your own websites, it's really hard to control the image preview. You have to set an image in the html header for LinkedIn to retrieve

[crude folio]

That's a shame, it's kinda unprofessional looking having a load of empty logos

[kind egret]

How can I make a meeting app for mobile or pc

[slim violet]

I'm from the same path (financial risk). What are the "new methods" you refer to? Machine learning? I'd say basic algo and feature selection know-how is a great tool for portfolio management. Go with python.

[past birch]

okie thank you

[slim violet]

Still, I'd use bloomberg for valuations etc

[kind egret]

Is figma good option for web development?

[shadow moss]

for designing logos and like, it's best to use whatever tool you are most comfortable with

Not really, best way to Freelance is get clients outside of any existing platform, most of platforms are pretty exploitative and constant race to bottom

[jade ridge]

upwork?

best way to Freelance is get clients outside of any existing platform
and lose everything that platform provides at first place 🙂

i'm in a 200~ people group, all of them freelancing via upwork

around 5k earn per people

building up a profile is hard, the beginning is hard, but after that it goes smooth

[dim jay]

Hey guys! I´m new in this server. My name is Felipe (Phillip), from Brazil! I would like to know, can I have a job just knowing Python? Or is good to know DataBase too?

[dim jay]

Just ge a first job in programming

get*

in the long term i want to work with AI, but i need a job right now so anything that it´s relationed with Python would be good

sure, i´m learning PostgreSQL

But i mean, with just python and Postgre is already possible to get some work? In fact, i don´t want to get a job in Brazil, I was thinking in trying to get some remote job

sure. Thanks for your support!

[vapid jay]

thats a super interesting question - i find that the amount of documentation\technical writing i do could defiantly make up a full time job

Your ability to communicate technically will become very important, especially at larger corps or large teams. Im a network engineer currently working on automation using python mainly and most times instead of speaking to other engineers we write up\draw whatever it is we need to share internally or externally.

Documentation goes hand and hand with everything you do as an engineer so its to be expected to write a fair bit yourself. I do wonder though if there are roles dedicated to this kind of work. tech companies like cisco for example has very well made documentation their customers (us network engineers use) and i bet the person\team who wrote it were dedicated technical documentation writers

[junior igloo]

What's the point that a person is good enough to get a job using Python? I feel like I've gotten to a point after about 2 years of occasional projects and using Python that I could maybe handle a low level job in it? Not sure where to look for that sort of thing tho or how to prove that I'm good enough, to myself or an employer.

Should I just apply to some jobs and see what employers say?

[vapid jay]

Read the job descriptions/qualifications for jr dev jobs and compare that to your resume. Figure out what you might be lacking a bit in and brush up on the material.

[junior igloo]

On places like glassdoor?

[vapid jay]

And yeah, apply to jobs. Be open and honest about the skills you have, and where you might lack. And discuss what you are looking to do, your growth options

Indeed is a good one I know of, I’ve also seen a ton of stuff on linked in

https://developers.google.com/tech-writing

[dim jay]

What would be Technical Writing?

[formal umbra]

Are advance DS like Red Black Tress, Segment Trees, Priority Queues likely to be asked in a Coding Interview ?

[neon moat]

completely depends on what company you're applying to and which country you're in etc

[formal umbra]

Questions differ country wise too ?

[neon moat]

DS and algo focused questions from what ive heard from other people and online tend to be more focused towards companies in USA. Im in the UK and had multiple interviews, and all questions were more technical knowledge questions. So it can differ per company / per country massively.

[formal umbra]

Technical Knowledge ?

[cinder thicket]

ledzzzzzzzzzzz gooooooooooooooooooo

[icy meadow]

??

any ideas for a job in tech

[stuck helm]

What are peoples opinion on MERN stack?

or using Node.js and Express.js as a backend in terms of job prospects?

[flat badger]

Hi! i'm looking for a really good tech recruiter that could help me. Needs to have experience working with startups. Anyone to recommend?

[south berry]

Good afternoon all. My current professional roles are mostly end-user managed service roles, help-desk IT for many different companies. How valuable is Google's "IT Automation with Python Professional Certificate" to a prospective employer? Is there something more worthwhile to spend my time on?

[vapid jay]

depends where you are.. it should take you three days to complete it, so might as well. It's not the most valuable certificate in terms of employability, but good enough to pick up basic skills and understanding

[vapid jay]

you need to mention the location..

[vapid jay]

design documentation

[snow dove]

Hello All, I'm from DevOps and just going to start learning Python (from a downloaded course). But still wondering, to how much extent, it would be helpful in DevOps field?
I'm already working with Docker, Kubernetes, Jenkins and also learning Terraform. So can anyone please guide, which aspects of DevOps would be useful with Python?
Thanks a bunch...

[stuck helm]

Isnt this called the wizard book written in Lisp?

[flat badger]

It can be anywhere in the US

Hi! i'm looking for a really good tech recruiter that could help me. Needs to be based in the US and have experience working with startups. Anyone to recommend?

[acoustic hull]

Absolutely. Do you know any other programming languages?

it completely depends on the project as to which aspects python would be useful

end user software development, full servers for many protocols and services, scripting for maintenance, db, fast and easy to write tools, somewhat easy portability. consider these aspects of python and apply them to dev ops. maintenance for example can easily be automated and monitored with python scripts for many different use cases

[snow dove]

I am very much known of OOP concepts and also worked in VB, C# (MWWM), I know Javascript, Powershell, batch files etc, and also learning some React (slowly doing a tutorial). Basically, I can adopt any kind of language. Like recently, adopted some yml, json configuration scripts etc... so getting anything new shouldn't be a problem for me...

[acoustic hull]

with that background python should be a breeze

[buoyant seal]

Speaking from the point of view of web dev career, backend dev

Ci/Cd, github/gitlab/jenkins piplines are the most useful stuff for developer from devops.

Docker skills are must have for backend dev too
Docker-compose to combine your project is highly needed also.

[snow dove]

Thanks... Yes, I do have these...

[buoyant seal]

https://github.com/kamranahmedse/developer-roadmap
Check roadmap of skills and compare devops and backend (in readme)

[acoustic hull]

think of some of the reasons you would use powershell/batch or bash. not even considering the software dev side of things imagine what you could do with a python script as far as managing and monitoring operations, deploying software and environments

[snow dove]

You mean, it can replace bash/powershell/batch etc?

[acoustic hull]

no

not in all cases (sorry there is a timer on my screen to type for some reason)

Not sure whats up with that timer but ok. Python is far more than something to write simple scripts in, but one of my favorite things about it is how fast you can get things done, and how easily you can get certain things done. Sometimes in some cases find myself writing python to automate simple tasks I may have previously done in bash

it is not a replacement for those bash or powershell classics for os related tasks although i'm sure pythons os capabilities are pretty in depth

automating docker deployment may be more reasonable in bash

[signal hemlock]

err..okay? xD

[buoyant seal]

Ops I read wrong your question

I misread it, as how much useful devops can be to turn myself into backend direction. (Tbh probably everything is useful, at least I try to add as much as I can devops skills to my backend direction)

While you was asking about how python would be useful to complement devops skills

Quite useful. As you can see in devops roadmap, getting hang of at least one of high level programming languages is necessary for devops too.

I will recommend especially click library in python. It allows in a very short time, creating scrips with multiple flags like
python scripts.py manage run -b --debug --param=gxfyhb --port=9000
With multiple default values
With multiple commands in sub groups

Easy console interfaced application in five minutes basically

Helps a lot in my opinion to automate some long command stuff to a very simple commands with auto generated --help

[cinder sentinel]

Im trying to get a CS Ms admit from US/UK colleges

Should I take the "Introduction to Discrete Mathematics for Computer Science Specialization" course on coursera? WIll it help my profile?
I have a bsc(hons) in physics

[gray anvil]

Which unis are your targeting in the UK, out of curiosity?

[cinder sentinel]

University of Birmingham, Leeds, Edinburgh etc

Middle-tier unis that would accept a non cs major

[smoky elm]

Guys how to merge 2 python projects together in pycharm?

[gray anvil]

Cool. I'll be in your shoes someday soon, I wonder if UCL would accept me for a CS masters tho I'm an econs grad

[vapid jay]

i cant decide between web dev and machine learning, any help?

[keen bridge]

Can someone help me in teaching python

please

[cinder sentinel]

yeah sure

so what you wanna do is, go to youtube.com and search for these exact words - "Python Tutorial"

[keen bridge]

its too confusing guys.. can someone teach me one to one, would be better

[kind egret]

What should I learn first java or java script

[heavy raptor]

Hello All community members, Good to be here. Need one help, want to do internship related to python developer. Can someone please suggest me where I can do that. Also please let me know if anyone having in their organisation.

Thanks

[keen bridge]

@cinder sentinel .. presenly i have lot my job..will not be able to pay & for indian money it cost almost 7500/-

difficult for me to pay in this situation

[cinder sentinel]

You want me to teach you for free?

[vapid jay]

@keen bridge This channel isn't for finding a tutor. @cinder sentinel Please do not offer paid services

[cinder sentinel]

I was only trolling

[misty idol]

Hi, as stated in the channel topic, and our rules, we do not allow recruitment on this server.

You could not find a careers channel as we do not allow our community to be used as a platform for recruitment. Please do not discuss that here again.

[vapid jay]

hi, why no one mention about working at apple on youtube

[marsh wind]

wdym?

[vapid jay]

Suggestion : code with harry youtube channel

[keen bridge]

Thanks buddy

[open crystal]

sup I’m in the same servers as you

@vapid jay

[sudden quartz]

Thats a pretty large gap. If youre good at math and school its easy to lean torwards ML

[calm lance]

https://www.linkedin.com/in/gaurav-makhija-426257124

join me a build a network

[stuck helm]

What's good about this book? I had a friend talk highly about it, but I dont think he read more than few pages.

[vapid jay]

I responded to someone but didn't read their full message, I agree with them after having read it.

I don't think sicp is a good option for total beginners because it doesn't do a great job of getting people interested.

I think sicp is a fantastic book for once you have decided you enjoy and want to study cs by doing project based learning prior.

Secondly sicp assumes a level of math knowledge that I don't think a lot of people have in some of it's examples (this gets less important as it goes, but early on it has a few)

[digital fjord]

the SICP is pretty fun, but yeah, definitely not for people who wonder if CS is for them

[vapid jay]

Also in my case and I assume what is the case for a lot of other people, you can't value the CS-y stuff like time complexity, tail call optimization, stack, etc until you have real examples of where bad/good implementation messes stuff up or makes it better

[ashen elk]

I dunno why, but it seems that everyone outside my country has those "summer internships" with big tech (Goog, Amz, IBM etc.) for high schoolers. is it some sort of coveted program not publicly accessible??

[shadow moss]

Apple tends to be more secretive about what they are up to so their employees are more loath to talk about their work publicly. They are also more hardware innovative vs software innovative so Software engineers don’t have as much to say.

[ashen elk]

I do get that high school internships are pretty rare, but is there some non-conventional way to get as an high-school intern into a good company?

[sudden quartz]

HS intern into a "good company" is rare let alone a company.

Try to Job Shadow or the like instead. Once you graduate you should be capable of finding one like Google ISEP for Freshman

considering youre going to college

[vivid sparrow]

Are graduates a lot different to self taught?

[sudden quartz]

Yes, on multiple levels and in various ways. One reason is because the self taught hasnt had formal ed, they might have a 'if it works its good' mindset making for some "antisocial" code

[vivid sparrow]

Ok thanks.

Do they still get hired?

[neon moat]

what?

[neon moat]

a degree only gets you an interview, dont mistake having a degree with landing an offer

[primal parrot]

how mutch do you get paid in your country as python dev

[plush galleon]

You confirmed that he didn't contradict what I wrote then you wrote that he never said anything similar to what I wrote

[late path]

@ashen elk yea those internships are harder to land however you could try volunteering for organizations that directly work with em or are subsidiaries (took me over 70+ applications and 2+ internship conferences to land a solid internship - this was back in like 2015 and it was intense for w.e reason).

[digital wraith]

Anyone here have like a job working with coding and computers and stuff?

[marsh wind]

Every other person probably. Better to ask your questions directly

[digital wraith]

Yea, trying rn

[stuck helm]

ok I think I will read it maybe after I have read couple of other books. I was reading through Pragmatic programmer.

[ashen elk]

bro, if you have any substantial argument as to why a majority of AI researchers are wrong, then send me actual quotes and papers on that.

[ashen elk]

wdym by volunteering for organizations?

[near ocean]

What do i do if i dont have enough references, usually 2 are required, when applying somewhere? Do i take the L and apply elsewhere? How do self taught devs deal with it

[stuck helm]

References arent always required.

Oh you are still in High School.

There's a slow mode lol

[near ocean]

What, no
Anyway, im asking because there was a junior dev position im interested about and got stuck on the references part of the app

I only have one academic reference, no internship references or past work experience

[stuck helm]

If you can get another academic reference then that could work I think where they would speak for your work ethic in terms of school and academics.

[near ocean]

I dont think i can, i've had the same tutor/supervisor for most of my education lmao
And i tried to do school as quickly and painlessly as possible, never really interacted with anyone

[golden tundra]

Can you leave the 2nd reference empty? If it’s pretty junior, I think they’re reasonably likely to understand not having that many references

Unfortunately, academic probably won’t weigh as much as an internship supervisor or coworker

Since school is a lot different from work.

[near ocean]

The problem is my internship experience is 6 years ago in another field
I dont think it holds up today

Anyway i'm gonna try with just the academic reference, i had good grades hopefully it'll not be a problem

[golden tundra]

Actually, if you do have willing references from that, I’d still put them down
They can speak to your general professionalism and work ethic. So if your academic reference can speak to your abilities as a coder and your professional reference can speak to your general likability as a coworker/employee, that’ll give employers a more cohesive idea of you

The 2 caveats I would have are
1: how strong of a reference can they still give after 6 years?
2: are you at all worried that this will give away your age and that would make you less appealing? (assuming that you’re a non traditional student)

[near ocean]

Im 25 soon so i dont think that would be such a negative for the application
Im just worried that they wont even remember me, it was 6 years ago and i was an intern for 3 months during the summertime essentially doing office chores

I realise i messed up immensely by not networking, how do self taught devs even manage to do this

[dry sapphire]

😦 good question

[golden tundra]

I mean
You don’t really get references through networking. You more get referrals and the like through that

I don’t think they usually put much weight on references from people you haven’t worked with. My understanding is they do put a bit into professor recs, more so if it’s like grad school level, but normally, they want supervisors and coworkers.

I don’t know how self taught devs do it, but some ideas off the top of my head are
1: contributing to open source so they’re still collaborating with other coders who may be able to speak to their abilities and attitude
2: taking up freelance jobs and having clients who can vouch for them
3: Just having a decent portfolio and then showing a good personality in interviews
4: connections from family and friends

[stuck helm]

Rebel made some good points. And if you get lucky some place wont ask for a reference, but these normally arent big well established companies. These are most so mom and pop places.

[golden tundra]

I’m not gonna lie, in the US, good grades don’t mean that much when it comes to CS - I believe you’re in the U.K., and I don’t know how much things are different over there, but here, what I’ve seen is that grades only matter up to a certain point

If you have the equivalent of a B average or higher, it probably doesn’t matter hugely after that point. I think the reason for this is the (fair) idea that a lot of good coders will spend less time on homework and more on personal projects and their own tech passions, so they’ll have more hands on experience but a lower GPA.

[stuck helm]

Yeah, I remember reading somewhere that Google used to require GPA for applications, but then they got rid of it because they didnt see much of a correlation between GPA and performance.

[lapis lantern]

in India Companies short list students on the basis of GPA 😔

[ruby remnant]

lmao

[vapid jay]

what specific things should I study in python if i want a job in google?

[lapis lantern]

I am not sure but u must have a high knowledge of impl advanced data structures
and efficient algorithms

[sick swallow]

anyone wanna reverse SHA-256 with me?

[lapis lantern]

dude i have no knowledge of cryptography

so...

[wide sun]

so you want to reverse SHA-256 with random dudes from discord? bruh

[true harness]

the entire point of hashing is so that you can't reverse it

[lapis lantern]

i mean people are attempting

[wide sun]

people have been attempting for a long time, because it's crazy hard

if you can reverse sha 256, you can mine bitcoins like a madman

[sick swallow]

You never know, maybe theres a few secret einsteins in here

[lapis lantern]

dayum

bitcoins go brrrr

[summer roost]

All of this is off-topic for this channel, but note that hashes are lossy. They can never be reversed, because multiple input values map to the same output value.

You may be able to find an input that hashes to a particular value, but you can never be sure it was the original input

[lapis lantern]

i think it completely changes the output for a change single character
avalanche effect

[rigid talon]

You can't just "reverse" cryptographic hash functions. And you're trying to do SHA-256

You can't just try and reverse engineer these functions. Even having full understanding of it, it's seriously next to impossible. I mean we're a bunch of discord idk what makes ya think you'll be able to do it quite simply especially considering the fact many researches have tried but obviously couldn't. And not just would bitcoin be easily mined, if known it would lose value but the bigger thing is SSL certificates. Encryption methods are all SHA-256 so reversing a hash function if possible is very scary

[vapid jay]

is it all about learning to code

ive learnt the most important aspects of py and made an API but jobs look out for social skills etc

[ashen elk]

I would say it is impossible to fully reverse SHA, but I would say there are certain methods to accelerate the effort of cracking it.....

[rigid talon]

I certainly wouldn't be trying to be doing so without knowing a shit ton of math and computer science.

[south merlin]

i have a bit of a silly question. i just want a cheap, ideally remote code monkey job. how much knowledge of python would i need for something like that? idm even being paid minimum wage to start haha.

[fleet mural]

how much?/

[south merlin]

i guess what i mean is how far in depth and how confident i need to be with things like specific libraries or anything just beyond the basics, i know it’s kind of a generic/hard to answer question tho

[fleet mural]

lol I'm no expert just started learning python weeks back XD

[astral drift]

You are just like me, I am also a beginner.

[uneven sand]

Me to Here

How many peoples are bigeneer react

[tender frigate]

Does courses is categorized as non-formal education ?

If so what will comptia+ be categorized ?

[near ocean]

Its a professional certification, sometimes unis would also provide training and examination by accredited professional bodies but i would not include it in formal education tbh

I've seen a couple of cv templates that have a separate section for education and certificates, i would put that in the certificates part

[tender frigate]

Hmm okhay thanks

What about udemy or coursera ?

That is counted as non formal right ?

[shell orchid]

is it possible to be become a self taught programmer and get a job/career?

[near ocean]

Yes, see
#career-advice message

[iron hare]

In my early years of career all I knew was models and views of django framework and HTML (not django templates). I managed to find a well paying gig and ran it for couple of months. The requirements were a simple work allocation management system for some on demand cleaning services company. I learned customising django admin on the job

Point is, it’s really subjective and depends on who is hiring and for what project. But once you crack the interview then just learn fast on the job to get things done

[hoary sorrel]

You are right , i agree with this🙂

[iron hare]

Also the currency mattered. What my employer was paying was cheap for them but more than average for me in my country

[south merlin]

sick! thanks for the advice

[autumn snow]

folks How much shud I charge for a website like this website clone

https://www.chibishiba.com/#tokenmetrics

But responsive and scalable!

[cobalt lark]

Hello @hoary night, what is this link?

[vapid jay]

its not responsive

[autumn snow]

It is nkt

[vapid jay]

you should develop for mobile first then scale it to desktop with media queries where necessary

[autumn snow]

I have to make it.... Thats what I'm getting paid for.. I have to make a good looking website for the thing with the contents...

[vapid jay]

oh I see my bad

[autumn snow]

yahh np.. I need help with how much to charge

I donno how to charge I underestimate myself.. everytime.. so I don want to do it always... So need some advice on it

I'm from India.. btw

@vapid jay

[pliant edge]

what is the client's budget

[autumn snow]

he asked me.. to quote it

[pliant edge]

that is a simple website to do tbh

[pliant edge]

your exxperience? age? qualifications?

btw opening up your profile in discord doesnt mean stalking lol, its not instagram

[autumn snow]

3 years, Uni, 21

[autumn snow]

that was a ot trend.. I'll change it nvm

[pliant edge]

how many projects have you done up until now, website making projects

[autumn snow]

not a lot 14-15 I mean... commercial ones

[pliant edge]

looks like a lie tho, if not then you can charge a reasonably high amount of price, providing your qualifications in the quotation, not too much tho

[autumn snow]

I haven't charged anything above 40$

Its like I'm converting from my currency.... No it's not a lie I've only done 15 sites..

I feel like underestimated....I checked the US.. wages its like the monthly. amount

so I'm.. worried that they are taking advantage of mee.. so that's all I need help with that

[pliant edge]

its india ofc, wages here are low

[autumn snow]

Yea..

[opaque silo]

whose the client/ where did you meet them

[autumn snow]

@opaque silo Its like contract works.. there is this company or org whatever that gets projects and works to themm.. they find Freelancers and programmers like us....and give us money to make em

I have never asked em more that 40$ and Its worrying me coz.. I'm charging very low for the work I do..

I need someone to guide mee in there

[opaque silo]

its tough because if you know the client you can charge accordingly

[autumn snow]

Yea we talk to the client.. but He asks me to quote an amount

Like If I say something high I mean that turns out to be high...my ratings will decrease so.. that the problem

30$/h is like a dream job for us...🙂

Indian freelancers

[ashen elk]

tbh Im suprised you are getting employment by making sites - especially in this decade

[autumn snow]

Thats the only reason I'm surviving

[ashen elk]

where a manager from their desk can make a decent drag&drop website in a week

[autumn snow]

Yes... absolutely...

Our existence is temperory

My mom is well educates.. she works in a company at a income tax.. office likr she gets paid only 150$ that's like something u know.., depressing I say.. so I have to do something.. I'm still a a student

and thanks.. everyone responded

✌️

[violet raven]

hey guys, can you suggest any good resources for python project tutorials?

[dense warren]

Is there even a job not related to webdev , gamedev and appdev

[topaz kayak]

If you're talking about freelance jobs, then those make the bulk of all freelance coding related jobs, yes

[dense warren]

Full time

[leaden jasper]

There are data science positions, simulation + modeling positions, and other general software jobs that use python not as the primary language but as an intermediate/secondary language

[wispy zodiac]

What would everyone recommend for a remote career? I am going for my bachelors in computer science but I have a special needs son where working from home as much as possible would be amazing.

[woven kernel]

Software development, system administration, just about anything that doesn't involve physically installing hardware.

[golden tundra]

I mean, there are jobs that are technically part of web dev and the like but that aren’t really connected to the “web” part of it
For instance, db admin.

[olive mulch]

hey for those that do interviews, do you care if your interviewee used ```python

from collections import Counter

myList = [1,1,2,3,4,5,3,2,3,4,2,1,2,3]
print Counter(myList)```

Counter({2: 4, 3: 4, 1: 3, 4: 2, 5: 1}) instead of just doing it manually?

[tender saddle]

my guess is that a sensible interviewer would appreciate that you know about the standard library if they just ask for a count, but if they ask for an alg you should write your own alg and they might ask you to write your own implementation of Counter after seeing you use the one in collections

and that's a pretty easy alg to write depending on what they want

[olive mulch]

thanks

[tender saddle]

np

[olive mulch]

hmm am i looking at the wrong place? i cant find the source code
https://github.com/python/cpython/blob/3.9/Modules/_collectionsmodule.c

[true harness]

why is any of this in #career-advice

[olive mulch]

sorry it was a natural segway from my previous question about interviews, where should interview questions be @true harness

[true harness]

interview questions could probably go here. not sure how cpython source is related

[olive mulch]

to the previous advice that ishould be able to write my own Counter implementaion from collections

[true harness]

presumably in python

[olive mulch]

but standard libary functions arnt written in python write? its underlying is written in C/ or compiled?

anyways ill stop asking followup questions here ❤️

[tender saddle]

@olive mulch some of collections is written in Python and some in C, I meant implement something similar in Python, it really depends on what the interviewer asks for specifically but it can be as simple as {x: myList.count(x) for x in {*myList}}

but they might need to handle unhashables, count only specific elements, count really big collections, etc

[vapid jay]

Hello I am 17 and I am a high school student. I want to become a data scientist. I need advice about this career path like what should I do I looked at many videos blogs but everyone tells a different thing someone says learn python first, someone says use R, and more ppl comes out with more suggestions so i decided to choose python as my primary and first programming language ever. I've learn basic python now I need some guidance so that I can successfully complete my journey of becoming a data scientist.

[wide sun]

i would say go with python, python has a super vast ecosystem of libraries

[plain ibex]

Hi, I'm 14 years old and I want to learn to program with python, I'm from Argentina, can you recommend a tutorial in Spanish to learn?
Thank you

[wide sun]

also before jumping into the programming side, make sure your math is strong. if it isn't, then take some time to learn calc, probability and stats. programming is easy, math is hard

[vapid jay]

okay sure i am average in maths so yea i'll spend time improving my skills in maths 🙂

[vapid jay]

Why not in English ?

[wide sun]

watch linear algebra by prof. gilbert strang, you need linalg too

[vapid jay]

okay, will see

[wide sun]

if you know math, ds is ez

[plain ibex]

because I have basic English, in Argentina, my country, Spanish is spoken

[vapid jay]

well i have to work on maths first then will continue python thanks Capitaine ReLU

[wide sun]

cool bud

[plain ibex]

or if you know another community of programming in Spanish, they would help me a lot

[tiny wing]

hi everyone im 13 i want to learn python to code games but i have no experience and i would like to know where/how to start learning from the ground up (app recomendations to learn,online courses, ect). I have absolutly no idea what im getting into but i want to learn anyways

[vapid jay]

i also started py when I was 13

id recommend other languages if your target is making games

[left frigate]

I think C++ or C# is better in the gaming sector since they cover most games int the gaming industry

Also large engines such as Unreal and Unity use C++ and C#

[tiny wing]

thanks for the info, i will try learning some C# tommorow but for now i need to sleep so i can be as productive as possible while learning

[dark moon]

@summer roost ping

Not to eat up your time though 😛 Just thought I'd ask

[summer roost]

What are your career goals? What do you want to do?

[dark moon]

I just wanna play with code, really. I find coding itself much more fascinating than using code

So, research I guess? Building new apis, maybe

I guess, just so long as I'm always learning new stuff I'd be happy

[summer roost]

Have you had any industry jobs yet?

[dark moon]

A few websites 😦

About to finish my certificate in 'Interactive Media Development' (total waste of money)

[summer roost]

Any college experience?

[dark moon]

Just the certificate. Been coding almost a decade though. Built most (and I do mean most) of a graphics engine for python, but got kinda sidelined by this new language

[summer roost]

The most useful advice for breaking into industry jobs is just apply to a lot of them. Perfect your resume, practice interviewing, and apply a lot.

[dark moon]

Thanks bro 🙂

[summer roost]

And once you get one... Keep applying to more. It's ok to switch jobs after a year or two for something that seems better.

[leaden heath]

I didn't want to interrupt, but @summer roost do you have any advice for a college sophomore? should i be trying to get certifications while I'm still in school?

[summer roost]

You should be trying to get internships

Internships and co-ops are by far the best thing you can do with your time in college, IMHO.

[leaden heath]

Thanks

[unborn zodiac]

hello world

i want to pursue astrophysics

any python modules/tools worth learning and using?

[wide sun]

astropy

!pypi astropy

[inner wren]

astropy v4.2.1

Astronomy and astrophysics core library

[vapid jay]

@karmic falcon This channel isn't for recruitment, please don't post such ads again

[unborn zodiac]

ok great thank you

[upbeat pebble]

hey i have a question, i have been coding this whole year and created a lot of projects. to challenge myself and start building my porfolio I wanted to join some big projects(self learning, no degree), do you have any idea where i can find some?

[near ocean]

Github, click on the issues link and filter by language and other keywords

[wide sun]

you can contribute to open source projects

[iron hare]

https://github.com/vinta/awesome-python pick any that interests you

django project itself has a lot to do but could have steep curve for entry

[upbeat pebble]

icic, i've always worked solo so i need to compare myself with others and learn more

arigato

[burnt cove]

hey I am 14 and want become data scientist can anyone suggest me what are the essential steps to take from now to become a good data scientist form python

[marsh wind]

1. Finish school, learn some coding get good at math
2. Go to college/Uni for CS degree or Math/stats degree
3. While getting degree, focus on math and stats, try to do some project or get involved in open source
4. Do internships in areas you will be ineterested by then
5. Get a job
6. Profit??

[burnt cove]

ok thanks

[marble pollen]

0. enjoy ur life before uni

[marsh wind]

yes, that's something I managed the other day haha
take your time to enjoy life, hang out with friends, getting shitfaced at student parties do this also during Uni

[kind egret]

Anyone have a good video on JavaScript?

[burnt cove]

anyone suggest me good jobs for python in good companies like amazon or microsoft pls

[lucid vapor]

Here's an intro: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6NZfCO5SIk

[past tapir]

https://classroom.udacity.com/courses/ud1110/lessons/2faaad2c-7904-4752-b289-da787460e159/concepts/last-viewed

[past tapir]

It's a start though there's no certification

[past tapir]

If you do manage to get into some projects, please do share.

[shell orchid]

What should I focus on learning if I wanna get a career with Python?

[iron hare]

you will have a career in a domain, Python is just a tool 🙂

[vapid jay]

i want to go to coast guard academy for college it has a very good engeneering program and a good baseball team lol

[hardy silo]

ok good luck

[vapid jay]

thanks

[kind egret]

I saw this video only but it is very different I started to learn js with an app in which document.write("") is used to print but in this video he use console.log("")

Which is right

[hardy silo]

this is a bit more suited for #web-development if you have more questions lets move to there. document.write is going to write to the document, console.log writes to the console. you also should never be using document.write

[tiny wing]

thanks! 🙂

[upbeat pebble]

will try my best

[past tapir]

no problemo

[upbeat pebble]

[past tapir]

You could try out upwork... you'd get to advance your skills and also earn some cash

[whole gazelle]

!subscribe

[upbeat pebble]

is that a website or app?

[dawn shuttle]

HI everybody

[fair bobcat]

Hello

[upbeat pebble]

heyo

[vapid jay]

https://github.com/KorobeinikovIgor

hello

[runic adder]

algum brasileiro por aqui?

[manic sand]

hi all! is python a growing backend language, or are golang/php/js taking over?

wondering what a new fullstack dev should learn

[signal shale]

Hey I really just want to make vid games and maybe apps.... But more of vid games I got a few Idea for apps.... Am kinda new here though can I get a guide to the top three languages I can learn for apps

[toxic dove]

I want to become an electrical engineer

[toxic dove]

You should make apps. For ios and android. Games is also a good idea but what kind of game? and if so do you want help with the app or game?

[toxic dove]

Python is great for application

[zinc path]

use unity to start. and apps on what devices?

what is the job?

[ashen elk]

is there some sort of a research platform, where people can put up their ideas and ask for professors in that respective field (or smthing like that)?

[past tapir]

It's one of those website where you do online jobs... But you'd better be prepared to give it your all otherwise who knows..... If you'tr confident enough just join up and sell yo services

[past tapir]

For games I think the most used is C++ and system softwares too...

[past tapir]

Yeah and hacking too...

[toxic dove]

Yeah

[toxic dove]

Do you have a raspberry pi 4

[past tapir]

Lemme get back to the misery of learning basics of python

[past tapir]

Nope... atleast not yet...

[toxic dove]

So you have planned to buy it

[zinc path]

raspberry pis are amazing

[past tapir]

I've only started learning programming a couple of weeks ago... two weeks have barely passed

[toxic dove]

yeah right it have so many uses

[toxic dove]

Hmmm Its easy when you get the basics

[upbeat pebble]

yup i did and applied to a couple of jobs i am 100% confident in finishing, thx for directing me

[past tapir]

Yeah I plan on learning about most of these micro controllers... Arduino raspberry pi and the .likes

[toxic dove]

Nice but what are you programming on right now?

[past tapir]

No biggie.. What did you major in?

[still condor]

raspberry pi isn't a microcontroller, it's just a computer 🙂