#career-advice | Python | Page 386

torpid totem Feb 20, 2021, 9:14 PM

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java isnt too bad

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idk java that much either but the syntax isnt too bad

jaunty mist Feb 20, 2021, 9:14 PM

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Java and c++ are similar

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Syntax

torpid totem Feb 20, 2021, 9:14 PM

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i mean realistically, once you know a language, the syntax between them isnt too crazy to distinguish

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if you know what you're doing you can easily google up what info you need and kinda deduct where to go from there

jaunty mist Feb 20, 2021, 9:15 PM

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Do you guys have PC or laptop?

torpid totem Feb 20, 2021, 9:15 PM

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both

jaunty mist Feb 20, 2021, 9:15 PM

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Ok

delicate bane Feb 20, 2021, 9:58 PM

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paying for an internship? oh no

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ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 20, 2021, 10:00 PM

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smells like FRAUD

ocean ledge Feb 20, 2021, 10:04 PM

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why not use a cloud instance? they're fairly cheap now for short training batches

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they're better off working on projects and getting deep in advanced topics

hearty island Feb 20, 2021, 10:08 PM

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ocean ledge they're better off working on projects and getting deep in advanced topics

yes but they don't know that

ocean ledge Feb 20, 2021, 10:08 PM

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unpaid internships will probably teach you nothing about good software engineering

delicate bane Feb 20, 2021, 10:11 PM

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theyre very exploitable, sadly

hearty island Feb 20, 2021, 10:13 PM

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think about stuff to make

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literally spend a day completely silent just sitting there and thinking of what to make

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meditate on it

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idk

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Yes meditate on it

tawny violet Feb 20, 2021, 11:31 PM

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I know basic python and would like to get an entry level job with python, what do you recommend I learn / do next?

delicate bane Feb 20, 2021, 11:36 PM

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learn more python

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till at least intermediate

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or make some projects

hearty island Feb 20, 2021, 11:51 PM

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do projects

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!projects

inner wrenBOT Feb 20, 2021, 11:52 PM

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Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

tawny violet Feb 21, 2021, 12:58 AM

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delicate bane till at least intermediate

what defines intermediate?

tawny violet Feb 21, 2021, 12:58 AM

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hearty island do projects

I've been doing a few projects recently which helped me grasp the basic concepts

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 1:00 AM

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are these projects something you feel confident putting on a resume? if so, start applying

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Sip

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 1:06 AM

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if it’s just linear regression on a Kaggle data set don’t bother

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found out the hard way 😃😃😃

tawny violet Feb 21, 2021, 1:09 AM

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👀 it's actually encryption and stock market simulations/predictions, still working on those but I'm hoping they'd land me a job temporarily.

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 1:13 AM

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ok then that's good

tawny violet Feb 21, 2021, 1:17 AM

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hearty island if it’s just linear regression on a Kaggle data set don’t bother

linear regression that's gotta be tough to pull off

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 1:17 AM

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is that sarcasm

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https://tenor.com/view/yoda-sarcasm-i-sense-sarcasm-sarcastic-gif-15392780

Tenor

tawny violet Feb 21, 2021, 1:19 AM

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hearty island is that sarcasm

nah that was more of a sigh, since I gotta do that too one day..

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 1:20 AM

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someone summoned me

tawny violet Feb 21, 2021, 1:20 AM

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.-. I wanna do ML at one point

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 1:20 AM

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it's really not that hard

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linear regresion

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sk learn literally does it for you

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nothing revolutionary

tawny violet Feb 21, 2021, 1:20 AM

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hearty island sk learn literally does it for you

scikit?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 1:20 AM

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yeah that

tawny violet Feb 21, 2021, 1:20 AM

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ahh yea but knowing the math helps

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 1:21 AM

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yes but i can't be bothered to finish whole math textbooks

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re learn stats, calculus, linear algebra, discrete maths

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although i will eventually

tawny violet Feb 21, 2021, 1:27 AM

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Its not that tough.

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with programming it'll become intuitive.

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I'm a computer science major and I barely passed those subjects last sem but when I see them in python it's pretty not that tough to pick up on and apply those math rules as code.

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 1:30 AM

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i used to be a cs major

ocean ledge Feb 21, 2021, 1:48 AM

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tawny violet .-. I wanna do ML at one point

get in line

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 1:51 AM

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become a SWE

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then become a data scientist or ml engineer

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that is what i'm gonna do

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:13 AM

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hearty island that is what i'm gonna do

bro check out data engineering, thats closer imo

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also i found a good and free resource for that too

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:13 AM

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what's data engineering

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:13 AM

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check this out bro https://github.com/andkret/Cookbook

GitHub

andkret/Cookbook

The Data Engineering Cookbook. Contribute to andkret/Cookbook development by creating an account on GitHub.

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:14 AM

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oh wow

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this is nice

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never looks at it again

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:14 AM

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ID_BoomKek

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just bookmark it for later

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you never know

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:14 AM

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yeah that's what i did

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:14 AM

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DoggoKek

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:14 AM

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rex what's your linkedin

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:15 AM

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inb4 1000 bookmarks

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uhh

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amegablobsweats

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:15 AM

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it's fine if you don't wanna share it

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:15 AM

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maybe when i actually have stuff on it ill share it

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:15 AM

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pls i have nothing on it

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it's so bad

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:15 AM

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so like ask me again in a year

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:15 AM

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it looks like a high school kid did it

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:15 AM

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🤞

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:15 AM

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don't worry rex give it a year you will be at a top data science company

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i have faith in you

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:16 AM

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E_MonkaPray

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i just want a job. no need for top

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ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:16 AM

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just don't work for free

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that's simping

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:17 AM

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~~or paying for an internship~~

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amegablobsweats

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:17 AM

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pls my parents would murder me

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they say doing a job is better than a free internship

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no interviewer blinks at free internships bc they know it's all bullshit

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forget paid ones

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:18 AM

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ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:18 AM

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literally every college cs student during the pandemic:

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:18 AM

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i would do work for a nonprofit but thats service instead of work, yknow?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:18 AM

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omg i got a position at a nonprofit

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datareadydfw

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and it was such a mess

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i quit on the first day

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:19 AM

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oh god i think i saw that listing

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NervousSip

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:19 AM

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instead i spent my break drawing

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DRAWING

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i don't even draw

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:19 AM

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ID_BoomKek

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theres no good websites to do data for nonprofits that i could find

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:19 AM

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in hindsight i probably should have used it for coding

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:19 AM

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maybe data kind but idk if theyre actually good

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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omg rex there was this thing where they asked you to pay for udemy data courses they stole

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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Pika Pika

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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actually pay for them

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yes

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it was some company based in africa

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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wuy

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wut

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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full of fraud

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i forgot the name

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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you saw it?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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yes

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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NervousSip

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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i signed up for it

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i thought it was legit

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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hearty island i signed up for it

amegablobsweats

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:20 AM

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but then they were asking me to pay i was like BRUH

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:21 AM

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inb4 they hack your info

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amegablobsweats

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:21 AM

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i'm hella scared about that

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also screw textron for not paying for my trip to georgia

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it would be hella cheap bc we're in a pandemic but i don't wanna get covid

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:22 AM

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im still surprised they didnt let you do remote

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after i redo my resume again

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:22 AM

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georgia just doesn't believe in covid huh

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:22 AM

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im gonna apply to some more internships

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:22 AM

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after this summer i'll start applying for more internships

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:22 AM

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hearty island georgia just doesn't believe in covid huh

its hella ironic bc thats where the CDC is based

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ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:22 AM

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i don't feel ready to deliver

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:23 AM

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really? i feel like you might regret it if you dont apply for one for this summer

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but thats just how i would feel

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up to you

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:23 AM

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my parents and my counselor said to start applying for internships junior year

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:23 AM

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i know im probs not ready, so im motivating myself that way

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:24 AM

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but my parents are from india and my counselor is kind of useless

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:24 AM

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like if i get an internship, then I HAVE to learn my shit

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yknow?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:24 AM

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that is true

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:24 AM

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so that will pressure me to learn

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more than normal this semester

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or else ill be lazy

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and a bum

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DoggoKek

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:24 AM

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i'm part of a club at my school

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we make apps

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:24 AM

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thats pretty cool

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wish we had that

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or maybe we do but its in the undergrad part of school

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pithink

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:25 AM

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yay an app that other people have on their resume

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yayyyyy it makes me so distinct

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:25 AM

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i just joined this new student org

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and the president wants to do a hackathon but with data

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so like a datathon

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:25 AM

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so distinguisable from my peers who will claim they did the project entirely on their own

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:25 AM

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idk how thats happening in a pandemic

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amegablobsweats

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imo i think its ok to mention that it was a group project

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:26 AM

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so people opening up sklearn doc for the first time and doing linear regression

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nice

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:26 AM

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as long as youre able to explain all the parts of it

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yknow?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:26 AM

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yes

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but it's in FLUTTER

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FLUTTER

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WHAT IS FLUTTER

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:26 AM

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thats how it was when my interviewer asked me about the CV app

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:26 AM

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hearty island WHAT IS FLUTTER

6_ThinkingIntensifies

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:27 AM

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i just asked on their server why we're using flutter

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can't we just make a web app like i'm doing

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inb4 they kick me off the server

near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 2:28 AM

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Its a fair question

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Webapps are more versatile

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:29 AM

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they really think i'm about to full on start coding in flutter huh

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:29 AM

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web app is def more versatile

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:29 AM

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yeah but these hofstra guys are so cocky

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they don't listen to anything i have to say

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i do say a lot to be fair

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:30 AM

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y i k e s

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:30 AM

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they didn't let me work in the hackathon w them bc i knew more than them

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I KNOW NOTHING

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N O T H I N G

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anyways wouldn't you want someone who knows more than you to be working w you???

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seems kinda stupid ngl

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:31 AM

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i still think you should look into data engineering > SWE

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:31 AM

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i def will

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:31 AM

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since it involves some data science

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:31 AM

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i have to learn SQL anyways for the web app

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:32 AM

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ye data engineer is like a data science except you have to learn a few more big data tools

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like hadoop

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and kafka

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and spark

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NervousSip

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:32 AM

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what about all the math

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:32 AM

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~~and probably one of the cloud providers~~

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less math, more cs

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:32 AM

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you can never escape the math

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:32 AM

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it be true

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:32 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/night-tunnel-vision-youre-going-down-a-hallway-gif-10933771

Tenor

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me running away from my coding problems

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randomly picks up hobbies to avoid coding

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:34 AM

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also they say data engineering jobs are starting to become more popular than data science jobs

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blobhyperthink

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:34 AM

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hm

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ok

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tbh i don't know why i picked data science

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i can't even think of a damn idea in it

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:34 AM

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companies are starting to realize they need to build the data pipelines before their data scientists can actually use it

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DoggoKek

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also if you do data engineering you can always switch back and forth between that and data science

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memethinkingblackguy

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:35 AM

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can you do data science w APIs

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is that a thing

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:35 AM

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yes

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some data scientists, at smaller places, have to do more data engineering

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and get their own data

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from APIs and webscraping and such

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:36 AM

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so api is just a bunch of data

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right

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 2:36 AM

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uhh it can be..?

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its kinda like...a product?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:36 AM

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oh ok

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:53 AM

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<@&267629731250176001>

blazing dew Feb 21, 2021, 2:53 AM

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!pban 342110033032511491 Spam

inner wrenBOT Feb 21, 2021, 2:53 AM

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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @reef imp permanently.

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 2:53 AM

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thanks

blazing dew Feb 21, 2021, 2:54 AM

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np

near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Whats the difference between data engineering and data science

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Afaik Engineer is a protected title in some countries and you could get in trouble for posing as one

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I would be cautious with anything trying to pass off as "engineering"

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 3:57 AM

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@near ocean does this help

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data engineer vs. data science

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it encompasses the duties of a database admin, data architect, etc.

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theyre like the generalist in that domain

formal jackal Feb 21, 2021, 4:14 AM

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guys if someone is switching a language(completely) , for example python to (other language) , should they delete python and pycharm completely and install the other language programs?

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@hearty island

sonic knoll Feb 21, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Hello

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Wc

dreamy viper Feb 21, 2021, 4:29 AM

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formal jackal guys if someone is switching a language(completely) , for example python to (oth...

mayb , i think if ur making games , High level games , it might be useful

formal jackal Feb 21, 2021, 4:30 AM

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oh ok

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ty

dreamy viper Feb 21, 2021, 4:30 AM

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np

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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WHO HAS SUMMONED ME

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PAY IN BLOOD

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no it’s fine you can keep python on your computer

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 5:09 AM

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memecringeharold

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 5:13 AM

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I should go to bed it’s 12 now

wise atlas Feb 21, 2021, 8:47 AM

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Hello!

oblique storm Feb 21, 2021, 10:55 AM

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Hello

lunar arrow Feb 21, 2021, 10:59 AM

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How would I program a list that asks for two variables and prints out all numbers that are not multiple of both variubles?

neat dagger Feb 21, 2021, 11:28 AM

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you could use itertools.filter

mossy willow Feb 21, 2021, 11:29 AM

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Is there someone here who knows how to make a dashboard for a discord.py bot, connected to mongodb?

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I will be happy to have him in my bot's team

neat dagger Feb 21, 2021, 11:29 AM

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I mean im pretty good with python but i havent done anything like that before. Is there a specific problem you are having?

vapid jay Feb 21, 2021, 2:49 PM

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huh

fair quartz Feb 21, 2021, 2:59 PM

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hy

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anybody here !

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yeah but i am alone

vapid jay Feb 21, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Whats up?

fair quartz Feb 21, 2021, 3:00 PM

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fine and wbu

vapid jay Feb 21, 2021, 3:00 PM

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I'm good

vapid jay Feb 21, 2021, 4:27 PM

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hello

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i just wanna ask

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did anyone of you ever did freelancing

jolly furnace Feb 21, 2021, 4:37 PM

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hearty island https://tenor.com/view/night-tunnel-vision-youre-going-down-a-hallway-gif-109337...

im blinded by the lights.....
reminds me of that gif

vapid jay Feb 21, 2021, 4:38 PM

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amazing and here i thought nobody was here

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 4:48 PM

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WHO HAS SUMMONED ME

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PAY IN BLOOD

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We don’t do recruiting here so delete this @modest minnow

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!rules

inner wrenBOT Feb 21, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Rules

The rules and guidelines that apply to this community can be found on our rules page. We expect all members of the community to have read and understood these.

modest minnow Feb 21, 2021, 4:55 PM

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sorry

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 5:30 PM

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yeah no problem

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just do it how every other company does it and put a job listing

ancient rune Feb 21, 2021, 5:31 PM

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Hi, I need some help identifying if a job posting is a support engineer role or not

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Are links allowed?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 5:33 PM

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yeah

ancient rune Feb 21, 2021, 5:33 PM

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https://angel.co/company/meraki/jobs/1146807-software-forwarding-engineer

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It says somewhere in the job description that a significant portion of the roles responsibility will be helping fix customer issues, and that sounds like a support/FAE role to me

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 5:37 PM

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no clue tbh just a college student

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don't know what any of those terms mean lol

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sorry

ancient rune Feb 21, 2021, 5:38 PM

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no worries amigo. Thanks for trying though. FAE = Field Application Engineer. That and support are fine careers, just not something for me.

ocean ledge Feb 21, 2021, 5:40 PM

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people do realize this is the python careers room, right?

jaunty mist Feb 21, 2021, 5:47 PM

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@ocean ledge hi

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 5:47 PM

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sorry

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don't mute me

jaunty mist Feb 21, 2021, 5:48 PM

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Do python 3.4 tutorials are still relevant

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 5:52 PM

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uhhhhhh

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wouldn't recommend them

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:02 PM

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ocean ledge people do realize this is the python careers room, right?

maybe not

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ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:03 PM

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omg rex you're alive

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what's up dude

mortal patrol Feb 21, 2021, 6:03 PM

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I just started learning, only variables, so hi coders!

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:04 PM

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!resources

inner wrenBOT Feb 21, 2021, 6:04 PM

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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:04 PM

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get resourced xd

mortal patrol Feb 21, 2021, 6:04 PM

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🍞
Get breaded lmao

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Like I know this

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Cat = Joe
Print (Cat)

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Whoops wrong thing

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:06 PM

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hearty island what's up dude

not much. the plan is to work on my resume some, do some schoolwork, and study some data science today

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already got my coffees

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Praise

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i actually ended up getting my resume looked at by my schools career center

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and she had some really good suggestions

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:07 PM

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pls my counselor is garbage

mortal patrol Feb 21, 2021, 6:07 PM

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That's all the code I know

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:07 PM

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she won't even help me find good data science internships

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i'm completely alone

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:07 PM

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hearty island she won't even help me find good data science internships

you dont have an internship person at your school? we have one for like every college

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DoggoKek

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:07 PM

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like other counselors actively email you w internships you can apply to

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she does NOTHING

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she's like i'm not doing your work for you you're in college now

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:08 PM

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blobsignF

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~~why do they pay her~~

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blobwhistle

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:08 PM

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Hi. I had a first interview with CEO (small company), he seemed to like and immediately sent me more questions by email. I sent an email back 3 days ago, how long should I wait before writing him again? I could schedule a videocall on his schedule but I think it'd be annoying for him, since he might be busy

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:09 PM

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he either ghosted you or he's busy

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:09 PM

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ceos tend to be busy, yeah

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Well, 3 days is not a good time span to make assumptions

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Sip

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 PM

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see what happens in a week

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 PM

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yeah unless youre pressed for time or something

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 PM

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and what if he doesn't reply back? Should I write him or forget about it?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 PM

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tell him you have another offer

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 PM

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It seemed as if he was genuinely interested

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in me

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 PM

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that's what my friend did

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 PM

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just send another email later

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 PM

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he got his offer instantly after that

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 PM

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he probs forgot about you

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:11 PM

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I don't think so

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:11 PM

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maybe he meant to reply but didnt

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:11 PM

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Should I pressure him by saying I have another offer to accept? wtf

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:11 PM

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i wouldnt do that, but thats my take

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memecringeharold

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:11 PM

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that is a very agressive way to do things

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very bold

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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You said your friend did that lol

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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yes he's very agressive and bold

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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ID_BoomKek

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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Oh ok lol

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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thats intense

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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he works at cisco now

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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good for him

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:12 PM

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he said he had an offer from a FAANG company

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:13 PM

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I'll wait for a week, then send him a polite email lol

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:13 PM

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lucky for him the interviewer didn't call a buddy at FAANG so

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can you imagine if he did

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omg

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RIP

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bc they do that interviewers talk

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:13 PM

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def

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:14 PM

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how much would u ask for a well-funded and profitable startup in San Francisco, for junior engineer?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:14 PM

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idk glassdoor has pay ranges

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:14 PM

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PD: I live in Latin America, It'd be remote

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Salary in SF -> 100K
Salary in my city -> 10k

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:15 PM

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didnt you ask this earlier? and i said what daspecito said

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ID_BoomKek

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:15 PM

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Maybe I did, thought it was another channel lol

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:15 PM

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ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:17 PM

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all good

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at least you're using the channel properly

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Thx (?

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I'll probably ask around 60k

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contract, no benefits probably

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contractor*

delicate bane Feb 21, 2021, 6:18 PM

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rip SF new grads' salary

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:18 PM

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I'm not even a grad lol

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Yeah, in SF it'd be 100k for dev + healthcare + 401k + snacks = 200k, he'd be saving 140k a year with me lol

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RIP globalized job market

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:26 PM

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pls have you seen how much you have to pay to live in NY

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and how poor the pay is for new grads

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a good question to ask is will the package cover my living expenses comfortably

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But they can be like what do I look like your accountant? Your mom?

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Here you can rent a 3 room apartment for $400, in the capital city, with furniture and stuff. Healtcare around $50. $100 on food. College is free, private ones cost $100 a month. You can live well, but still live in 3rd world

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:37 PM

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@delicate bane i guess it’s my fault for going to a crappy college like Hofstra

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the only thing good about Hofstra is the med school

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:38 PM

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How do Americans manage to pay for college debt?

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house mortgage

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:39 PM

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Uh they don’t

sharp granite Feb 21, 2021, 6:39 PM

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They stay in debt for 30yrs usually or something

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:39 PM

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yeah it’s bad

sharp granite Feb 21, 2021, 6:39 PM

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Im blessed with minimal college expense

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:39 PM

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Isn't it the country of Freedom? lol

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Buying the newest car and Iphone every year doesn't make sense to me

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You're a corporate slave

sharp granite Feb 21, 2021, 6:40 PM

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People are fanatics

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Wanna live a certain way

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Majority follow

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:41 PM

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and then go to Therapy or do drugs to fix their problems lol

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Which don’t fix their problems so they still end up the same

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:41 PM

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and spend even more money on that

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:42 PM

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pls I’m coding Bc I know my business analytics degree will not get me a job

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yeah like a 30K one sure

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staring at spreadsheets every day

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:42 PM

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30k? Data analysts start at 60k in mid COL city

sharp granite Feb 21, 2021, 6:42 PM

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I mean some parts of South America are bad

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:42 PM

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And if I’m real around the people I’m in the major w they’re like dude you’re so depressing

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:43 PM

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According to my reseatch

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research*

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:43 PM

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business analytics from Hofstra does not mean much

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just saying

sharp granite Feb 21, 2021, 6:43 PM

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I had a engineer in Brazil dealing coca to make ends meet but was studying etc

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:43 PM

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Yeah, probably

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You should build up a nice portfolio to stand out

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@hearty island

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:44 PM

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yeah

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that’s why I’m making apps

ocean ledge Feb 21, 2021, 6:45 PM

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hearty island and how poor the pay is for new grads

new grad pay in nyc is pretty good though? most people i know ended up at the 90-110 range basd

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:45 PM

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w business analytics? Doubt

ocean ledge Feb 21, 2021, 6:46 PM

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yeah but business analysts don't need stem degrees :P

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:46 PM

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You should learn python, SQL, Tableau, etc

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:47 PM

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I already am

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:48 PM

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Once you gain experience, after +5 years, you can easily hit 150k

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According to my salary research, plus seniors are always in demand

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But it takes time...

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:48 PM

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I’m building apps for my resume

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:48 PM

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But living in USA is a grea advantage

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great*

ocean ledge Feb 21, 2021, 6:49 PM

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if you're good*

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:49 PM

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Everyone is good given time and effort...

ocean ledge Feb 21, 2021, 6:49 PM

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globalization means the average american ends up fighting the average indian

ocean ledge Feb 21, 2021, 6:49 PM

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dark lintel Everyone is good given time and effort...

well... sure, i guess thats a take

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:50 PM

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me being Indian

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xd

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:50 PM

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Were born in USA?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:50 PM

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yes

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 6:50 PM

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At least you don't have to fight for H1B1 lol

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:50 PM

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true

jaunty mist Feb 21, 2021, 6:57 PM

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@ocean ledge do you have experience in deep learning?

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@hearty island and you don't have overpopulation problems

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Job scarcity is a major issue in india

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 6:59 PM

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Silicon Valley has so many people competing over the same job

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maybe not to the scale India has but it’s still bad

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Now the new tech center is austin, Texas

jaunty mist Feb 21, 2021, 7:00 PM

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People fighting to be janitors and all of them are graduates in different type of engineering

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 7:00 PM

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I just said not to the scale India has

jaunty mist Feb 21, 2021, 7:00 PM

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Ok

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 7:00 PM

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ok

jaunty mist Feb 21, 2021, 7:01 PM

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By the way what is the situation of covid there

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 7:02 PM

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it’s pretty bad

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New York is more under control now

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But mostly every job is remote other than essential care workers

jaunty mist Feb 21, 2021, 7:02 PM

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I see

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Not a good time for higher education

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 7:03 PM

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no

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now you have all these new grads fighting over remote positions

ocean ledge Feb 21, 2021, 7:18 PM

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jaunty mist <@536320349516857366> do you have experience in deep learning?

what about it

fast tinsel Feb 21, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Could someone please recommend an interesting startup that is looking to hire, or an open source project? The whole point is bringing stimulation and variety back into the coding sessions.

jaunty mist Feb 21, 2021, 7:22 PM

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@ocean ledge do we need more CPU core or more vram I have seen your reply yesterday you said about cloud

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I didn't understand about it

ocean ledge Feb 21, 2021, 7:26 PM

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jaunty mist <@536320349516857366> do we need more CPU core or more vram I have seen your rep...

one is more ram generally is good, but you really need a gpu

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two, if you're thinking of deep learning to get a job that'll be a stretch-- that space is even more competitive than general data science

jaunty mist Feb 21, 2021, 7:28 PM

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@ocean ledge so I need a good gpu than a CPU for my laptop

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I have two options
Ryzen 7 with 1650ti
or
Ryzen5 with 1660ti

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 8:10 PM

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fast tinsel Could someone please recommend an interesting startup that is looking to hire, o...

well you can see open source projects on github and for startups looking to hire i would check angellist

torpid totem Feb 21, 2021, 8:10 PM

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@hearty island same im indian bro

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 8:11 PM

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haha join the party

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the most stereotypical field for us

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other than medicine or engineering

torpid totem Feb 21, 2021, 8:11 PM

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i mean my end goal is to get a CS job in a decent metro city, if i make 70K starting ill be content

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if i need side cash, ill do personal training lol

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 8:15 PM

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yeah

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enough money to sustain me

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Will there enough jobs for everyone and decent pay in the future for grads and competent workers?

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idk if this is the place, it's just a worry that shows up to me every night

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lol

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I think this is a question for economists lol

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 8:27 PM

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no there won't be

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soon overpopulation won't just be happening in india

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it'll be happening all over the world

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 8:29 PM

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I think there will always be a job for someone qualified

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Also, the problem will be for future generations. Once you're in, you'll probably do good

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The problem will be for those who want to step into the door in 20 years, I guess

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 8:31 PM

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the standards will be hella higher in 20 years

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just like how they are higher than they were before

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 8:31 PM

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Yeah, but if you make good money and save you could retire in 20 years

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So that's not a worry

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at least for us

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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yeah

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hey me at 75 i will probably still be on this server

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Also, you should consider alternatives. I like math tutoring and made good money

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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if discord still exists

dark lintel Feb 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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I hope so

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 9:04 PM

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true

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 9:25 PM

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what is the freelancing situation like right now?
i have a lot experience as a .net dev, doing enterprise apps
also gamedev

wanting to learn & use more python, probably focusing on full-stack webdev (django) but also open to other stuff.

for c#/.net it's mostly enterprise gigs, which don't interest me much
is it different for python?

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 9:27 PM

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no clue just a college student

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maybe someone more experienced knows

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 9:56 PM

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velvet cairn what is the freelancing situation like right now? i have a lot experience as a ....

.Net Dev will be much more demand, Django is popular BUT no where near as popular as Java/.Net and doesn't matter, Server Side Render is old method of web and not used as much anymore. EDIT: To answer your last question, yes, it's much worse for Python. You think it's bad for .Net, it will be much worse for Python.

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:19 PM

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shadow moss .Net Dev will be much more demand, Django is popular BUT no where near as popula...

cheers, thx for the reply. you meant "it's much worse" with regards to the enterprise jobs situation? as in "it's mostly that"? 😄

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:20 PM

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Much Worse in general

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:20 PM

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can you also elaborate on why server side rendering is "old"? isn't that pretty ubiquitous in web frameworks nowadays? what's the new version of that?

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:22 PM

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shadow moss Much Worse in general

that's weird because i see so much more python jobs than .net jobs listed on e.g. stackoverflow jobs, linkedin right now
but i didn't really look thoroughly what those were tbh

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is that all ML?

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(not interested in ML)

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 10:22 PM

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what do you mean?

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if I understood, there are (of course) Python gigs which don't have absolutely nothing to do with Machine Learning and other "data science" like stuff.

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:25 PM

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no i was just being sarcastic as in "is that almost all ML jobs"
like i said, i did not really look closely 😄

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i'm pretty new to python and was under the impression it's super popular for ML

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apart from webapps and ML/data science stuff, what are other main areas of python jobs?

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 10:26 PM

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yes, it's super popular.

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Other fields of note: SRE/DevOps, Data Engineering.

hearty island Feb 21, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Machine learning is a very competitive field

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you need to know a shit ton

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but tbf you need to know a lot for everything

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:31 PM

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velvet cairn can you also elaborate on why server side rendering is "old"? isn't that pretty ...

Because new "hotness" is Javascript Frontends paired with API backends (which could be Python FastAPI/Python Flask/.net Core/Java Springboot/NodeJS Express)

near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 10:32 PM

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I wouldnt say new

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ReactJS is 7 years old

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:32 PM

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It's new compared to Server Side Render which has been around since 1995

near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Angular is 10

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Sure, but it's gotten crazy popular over the last 5

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:35 PM

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yes that's all true ofc.
but does that make django bad? i read a lot about flask v. django and both seem to be very valid frameworks with different strengths & weaknesses, django being more "batteries included" and opinionated ofc, but some do like that

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:36 PM

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velvet cairn yes that's all true ofc. but does that make django bad? i read a lot about flask...

I wouldn't call django bad, it's just dated. For many, it's in maintenance mode where new stuff is pushing developed and push using JS Frontend frameworks and thus if you are hiring someone new, you want them to be up to date on the new

near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 10:37 PM

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I see people trynna make jinja2 templates all the time here and my only question is, why?

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:37 PM

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okay I see. also curious about .net core (asp), you think that will be more popular than django going forward?

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:37 PM

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Are there sites/companies still using django? For sure, but your focus should always been on new stuff, companies tend to have existing people who can work on old maintenance stuff

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:37 PM

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velvet cairn okay I see. also curious about .net core (asp), you think that will be more popu...

.Net Core makes GREAT API backend for JS frontends

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We use it .Net Core 3.1 (C# 90%) for Angular frontends

near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 10:38 PM

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For sure there are companies using django

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:38 PM

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ok well the thing is I would like to learn 1-2 new frameworks now so I can use them professionally in freelance work in 1 or 2 years. i still have a full-time job right now but want to transition to freelance then

near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Not as many as dotnet or php

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Fucking laravel i swear

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:39 PM

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near ocean Not as many as dotnet or php

or Java, Springboot is crazy popular with stodgy enterprises

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:39 PM

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shadow moss We use it .Net Core 3.1 (C# 90%) for Angular frontends

is it mature enough yet? last time i checked (about 1 year ago) everyone was saying it's bleeding edge and not prod. ready

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:39 PM

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near ocean Fucking laravel i swear

i don't understand the masochism of people wanting to use php. but maybe i'm just traumatized by wordpress too much and laravel is actually nice?

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:40 PM

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velvet cairn is it mature enough yet? last time i checked (about 1 year ago) everyone was say...

my thought

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:40 PM

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shadow moss my thought

wrong about what? 😄

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:40 PM

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that's it's bleeding edge and not production ready

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there is also .net Core 2.1 if you want to go slightly older

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near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 10:42 PM

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I have seriously contemplated learning php before

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But nah not about that life

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:42 PM

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Rarely are languages picked for technical reasons

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most common reason to pick a language is "What does lead developer/founder know?"

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If they knew PHP, PHP IT IS!

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:43 PM

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lol i didn't expect to be convinced to move away from python in the python discord but hey 😄

near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Move away?

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:43 PM

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We are not language snobs

near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 10:43 PM

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When did anyone say that

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:44 PM

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career-wise i mean

near ocean Feb 21, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Ah, well it is what it is

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:44 PM

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but Python primary use in business is that of a glue language, it glues stuff together

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:44 PM

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obviously it's fun to do stuff in python

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:44 PM

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DevOps use it for scripting, makes great prototyping but all things that make it great for small stuff start to come into problems at scale. Lack of typing, interpretation

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like we used it at work to make a quick MSSQL fixer

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:50 PM

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okay guys what would your advice be for my situation then:

i'm mainly an indie game dev, working in c#/unity. hate unity though but that's another topic
i do freelance enterprise stuff, mixed bag really: .net, wordpress/php, python for cli glue stuff, also did relatively simple stuff with django

my freelance steady gig will end in about 2 years, it's comfortable now but I want to plan ahead starting now, learning new stuff that's interesting to me.

not sure if i should even focus on developing my webdev skills more, going full-stack and all that, or...
if i should follow my current interest and learn C++ and eventually Rust, because I find low-level stuff interesting. like, for game engines, simulations and stuff. loved my experiments with rust so far, it's so fun.

what should i do? i want to make okay money (in addition to my games, which are making me money now but not tons yet) - but i also want to work on interesting non-game stuff (if i can)

any and all super subjective opinions welcome 😄

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 10:51 PM

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2 years?! that's a long time in the "tech" world

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that's the average tenure at a company nowadays

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:51 PM

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yeah i'm in no rush haha

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that's why i'm trying to think longer term, but webdev is such a clusterfuck right now

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every month a new super-hot framework, it's killing me. i'm getting too old for this 😄

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

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First thought on this - grass is greener on the other side.

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:53 PM

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yeeeah probably haha

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:53 PM

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I'd see what freelance stuff gives you

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 10:53 PM

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2nd - Getting into backend and avoiding frontend work is a good way to avoid that framework churn, which I do agree it's annoying and irritating (especially the older you get)

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:54 PM

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My guess is .Net will be more popular but if you can establish a niche in Python CLI, go for it I guess

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if you want fullstack you should learn JS framework, React/Angular/Vue with whatever API backend you want (.Net works great for this)

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:54 PM

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shadow moss My guess is .Net will be more popular but if you can establish a niche in Python...

WAY more experienced with .NET though, like..6 years more experienced haha

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:55 PM

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if you are not doing .Net Core, I would switch over to it, ability to run stuff in Linux is very nice

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 10:55 PM

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I think I would stick .NET then, it's not going anywhere soon enough.

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*stick with

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:55 PM

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and it's popularity is rising

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biggest complaints I saw with C# was "Ugh, stuck on Windows" and that's problem is resolved

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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that does seem appealing.

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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crude crown 2nd - Getting into backend and avoiding frontend work is a good way to avoid tha...

yeah backend dev seems like a good escape hatch.
but being "full-stack" (hate that term tbh) makes my skill set more marketable as a freelancer, right? especially if i'm looking for part-time stuff

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 10:56 PM

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yeah, I guess as a freelancer that makes sense.

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still, it feels very much like a race to the bottom nowadays now with upwork/fiverr and those kinds of platforms

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you could make some interesting bucks though, especially by scamming your clients

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Sure, people want Full Stack because it's one person, everything you need

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I disagree that's it's good but Money talks

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 10:57 PM

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I've got two fun stories about that with my current company

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 10:57 PM

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shadow moss biggest complaints I saw with C# was "Ugh, stuck on Windows" and that's problem ...

yeah it seems very cool and the tide seems to be turning. there was soo much anti-M$ sentiment for basically as long as I can remember. but now there's not a whole lot to hate.

except of course if you're doing games/performance-critical stuff. then the CLR and garbage collection are still huge problems. but that's kind of irrelevant for "normal" backend work i guess

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 10:58 PM

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1st- The VP at my department contracted a product owner (on LinkedIn the contractor was selling himself as a CRYPTO EXPERT)

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contracted at west coast rates I assume

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the guy lasted for about a month or so (he was being payed) and he literally didn't do shit, he was hired to help my team and he trully didn't do shit.

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:00 PM

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lol had to google what a product owner is

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Made out like a bandit, during the backlog refinement sessions I called him out sometimes (probably he was trading cryptos or something) and he was always saying obvious and inane stuff.

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:01 PM

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haha

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 11:01 PM

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Sure, performance with C# won't be as good as Rust/C++ but Microsoft is actually working on GC, they now have GC setup that background so it doesn't block

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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/standard/garbage-collection/background-gc

Background garbage collection

Learn about background garbage collection in .NET and how it differs in workstation and server garbage collection.

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:02 PM

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yeah i mean anything cryptoooooooo BITCONNECCCTT is screaming scammy BS to me nowadays. it's completely riddled with scammers

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:02 PM

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2nd- A random russian guy was hired to implement a WebSocket server and a client that made use of an existing API. After the job was done and after the guy was (?) gone, I found out that the code was 80% copy paste from other repos in that API's org in GitHub

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 11:02 PM

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We are testing .Net 5 at work, we have seen up to 30% increase in performance due to lack of blocking of GC

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:02 PM

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two times the VP was scammed... I should fire my VP

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or maybe just give my notice this week.

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:03 PM

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that escalated quickly lol

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:04 PM

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hahaha

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:04 PM

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shadow moss We are testing .Net 5 at work, we have seen up to 30% increase in performance du...

what kind of software are you working on?

shadow moss Feb 21, 2021, 11:04 PM

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APIs used for marketing

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:09 PM

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yeah i mean garbage collection is mostly fine for non-critical stuff but I doubt that MS's rework and improvements will fix the underlying problem of programmers needing memory access for stuff like soft-simulations & gamedev. don't think the whole "we should not need to take care of memory" paradigm really ever worked out, at least for these mentioned fields.

but for anything web-api, consumer apps etc. it's probably fine.
i say probably because i still feel like software is WAY too slow nowadays, like, e.g. Unity takes > 3 minutes to even start. almost 30 seconds to recompile + reload. it's so frustrating.

i think we really need to write better software in general, at a lower level especially. but i'm going off the rails here haha

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:10 PM

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absolutely, software is indeed way too slow sometimes it's ridiculous

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:10 PM

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do you think there's an angle to market myself as a freelancer that only does backend stuff? possibly .NET?

or do these jobs only exist as full-time?

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:12 PM

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crude crown absolutely, software is indeed way too slow sometimes it's ridiculous

not even just slow, but also SOO buggy.
everything is broken all the time.
i recently tried following a frickin tutorial for setting up the literal starter hello world thing with 'gatsby.js' (static site generator)

it took me 2 hours to install the npm packages correctly because EVERYTHING was broken. i had to open a github issue about that and, while being acknowledged by the lead devs, it still isn't fixed. that was months ago.

i feel like many of us have just gotten used to this? idk

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:18 PM

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yeah, habituation does have a role here.

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also, question for the more experienced folks here, I'm on the verge of accepting a new job offer which essentially doubles my current pay but I would be joining as an intermediate instead of a senior and I strongly feel that I should be joining a senior role by now at this point in my career (on my current gig I'm not a senior as well). Would you folks accept it or hold on for a while and keep searching? If it helps, I've been almost 2 years at my current gig and I'm getting REALLY tired of it due to several reasons. Just gathering some thoughts.

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:25 PM

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shadow moss APIs used for marketing

quick followup question re: django

i need to build a small CRUD webapp starting next week. would you recommend flask over django nowadays? and if yes, why?

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:25 PM

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I would say Flask because it's simpler to get started

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if it's a small and relatively simple CRUD web app, I would stick with Flask most likely.

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:26 PM

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crude crown also, question for the more experienced folks here, I'm on the verge of acceptin...

twice as much money seems like a very convincing argument 😄

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but idk how important senior/intermediate title stuff is..no idea

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:28 PM

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crude crown if it's a small and relatively simple CRUD web app, I would stick with Flask mos...

thx. yeah it's super small for now, but might grow into something larger. are there examples of larger websites built on flask?

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but it will all only ever be internally used by 3-4 people, small company.

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:29 PM

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I can't think about examples funnily enough

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:29 PM

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so it does not need to scale, at all, ever

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just about usability + dev speed

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Flask all the way then

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Consider FastAPI as well

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:30 PM

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ooh never heard of that

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:30 PM

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it's the "cool" Python web framework now

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:31 PM

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i have some baseline requirements though, i need good robust auth + a good mysql library. but that's probably very minimum requirements haha

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Auth stuff -> Django has out of the box, Flask/FastAPI don't AFAIK

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wrt MySQL "library"... you'll want to use an ORM like SQLAlchemy + Alembic

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:34 PM

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yes thats what i meant

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cool will check out, the guys is even from berlin haha 😄

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always for some reason weird to see successful opensource projects originating from my country

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:35 PM

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Well, Germany does have a pretty good open source culture IMO

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with all the Unix confs and whatnot in quite a few cities

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:37 PM

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true, we are an opinionated bunch haha

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anyways, nice talking to you! thanks for all the advice, will head to bed now

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good luck with your job situation!

crude crown Feb 21, 2021, 11:37 PM

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thanks man, gutten nacht

velvet cairn Feb 21, 2021, 11:38 PM

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😄

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goodnight

marsh wind Feb 22, 2021, 12:05 AM

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shadow moss most common reason to pick a language is "What does lead developer/founder know?...

lol language is not as bad as founder pushing cassandra DB down on ALL projects whether it fits or no

marsh wind Feb 22, 2021, 12:05 AM

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velvet cairn ooh never heard of that

fast API is really good

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not just because it's, well, fast

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but also good and concise doc, usage of types annotations to full extend

crude crown Feb 22, 2021, 12:42 AM

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I think the "speed" argument is a bit overblown and shilling from the author... but for sure the out of the box Swagger docs you can get is great.

shadow moss Feb 22, 2021, 3:04 AM

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velvet cairn quick followup question re: django i need to build a small CRUD webapp starting...

FastAPI

formal jackal Feb 22, 2021, 4:57 AM

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guys learning python by textbook/pdf better than videos right

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:03 AM

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depends on your learning style

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personally, i like a mix of both

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and projects

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projects help a lot bc you apply your knowledge

marsh wind Feb 22, 2021, 6:09 AM

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crude crown I think the "speed" argument is a bit overblown and shilling from the author... ...

Agree I should have mentioned that all good first and only then say 'also fast' 😁

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Because in fact, speed isn't something to concern yourself with when starting API

glad tulip Feb 22, 2021, 1:27 PM

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hehe me white hat

frail crescent Feb 22, 2021, 2:16 PM

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B

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 2:41 PM

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you know the problem with leetcode

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leetcode was initially for FAANG to use bc they had so many perfect candidates they had to distinguish them somehow

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but now even smaller companies and startups are using leetcode too

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so people who can't reverse a linked list but would be a strong addition to the team are missing out

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and i think that's BS

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those are just my thoughts

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i think it's kind of ridiculous that an interview is decided by what you can do in 30 minutes on a whiteboard or a google doc rather than the projects you spent days preparing for your resume

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don't @ me tho

near ocean Feb 22, 2021, 3:05 PM

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I know that was just an example but reversing a linked list is as easy as fizzbuzz

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:06 PM

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well idk how to do it

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i mean you have 2 degrees and multiple projects ofc it would be easy for you

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i'm just a college student

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sorry mariosis if that sounded agressive

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didn't mean it that way

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:12 PM

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Hi yall

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:12 PM

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what's up

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:12 PM

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I'm in 1 year of college but Im thinking of dropping it , to focus on coding . Should I drop college and proceed on being a self taught

shadow moss Feb 22, 2021, 3:12 PM

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no

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:12 PM

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no

shadow moss Feb 22, 2021, 3:12 PM

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Degree is much better then anything else

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:13 PM

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get a degree

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:13 PM

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can i able to do ethical hacking

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:13 PM

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uhhh

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Ik a friend and he got a job in less than a year of coding :/ . He use to work in a different field before that

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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well yeah he put the work in and he got the job

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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wary jacinth can i able to do ethical hacking

im 10th now

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Can I do the same ?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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i only have 2 years before i graduate and i'm gonna need a job

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yes

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if you put the work in yes

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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okay thanks

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:15 PM

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I'm ready to put a lot of hardwork in python , java and cpp . But college keeps wasting my time

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Which uni are you in @hearty island ?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:16 PM

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hofstra

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:16 PM

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unkempt gorge I'm ready to put a lot of hardwork in python , java and cpp . But college keeps ...

where are you from

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:16 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/kermit-suicide-flip-jump-crash-gif-5140737

Tenor

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:16 PM

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@wary jacinth states

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@wary jacinth hbu ?

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:16 PM

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country

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:17 PM

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United states

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:17 PM

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im from india

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nice meeting you

near ocean Feb 22, 2021, 3:17 PM

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College is definitely not a waste of time lmao

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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its probably in india

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degrees are waste for future

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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college is good

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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im gonna go with ethical hacking in future

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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@wary jacinth nice meeting you too

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:18 PM

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taking basic degree and complicated exams

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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@hearty island I wanna be rich as fast as possible lol

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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okie

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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unkempt gorge <@567030124306759710> I wanna be rich as fast as possible lol

everyone ought to

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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you and literally every other person in the field

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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4years of BS ooof

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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okay byee

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have a good time

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:19 PM

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Kk baai

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@hearty island does grade matters ?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:20 PM

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yes

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:20 PM

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Or just the degree

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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unless you're exceptionally good at coding or have incredible projects grades matter

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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So I also have to bring good grades :c

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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yes

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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unkempt gorge <@567030124306759710> does grade matters ?

yes grade matters a lot

unkempt gorge Feb 22, 2021, 3:21 PM

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This is so unfair

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:22 PM

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big companies like google,tesla apple,etc say that skill matters not grades and degrees

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:23 PM

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ok good luck solving their leetcode questions then

near ocean Feb 22, 2021, 3:24 PM

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No offense but the people working for google apple tesla etc dont ask whether grades matter on discord

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Theyre top of their class

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:25 PM

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what he said

wary jacinth Feb 22, 2021, 3:25 PM

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near ocean No offense but the people working for google apple tesla etc dont ask whether gr...

true af

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nailed it man

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 3:28 PM

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i'm sitting here trying to get an internship lmao

haughty turret Feb 22, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Hello why can not talk??? If you can ask

crisp cipher Feb 22, 2021, 3:57 PM

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hi, im looking for a job

ruby flower Feb 22, 2021, 3:57 PM

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is there data engineer in here? i want to ask something about data engineer test

crisp cipher Feb 22, 2021, 3:58 PM

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@ruby flower if you have project i cant help

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can*

haughty turret Feb 22, 2021, 4:02 PM

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Hi, you know János Kádár

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?

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:14 PM

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unkempt gorge I'm ready to put a lot of hardwork in python , java and cpp . But college keeps ...

same. i feel your pain

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:15 PM

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don't drop out

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i switched my major to business and that significantly harmed my chances of getting into a top tech company

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top tech companies: and i took that PERSONALLY

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but tbf i am not the FAANG type

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:18 PM

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im not thinking of dropping out tho

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im in final year and it would be pointless

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:18 PM

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well do you have an internship?

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:18 PM

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i just cant find the time to study python

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no internship

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:18 PM

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ok

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projects?

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:19 PM

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i got projects coming up

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you just reminded me

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:19 PM

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yw

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:19 PM

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im supposed to call my supervisor today lol

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:19 PM

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oh

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:19 PM

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i totally forgot

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:20 PM

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i have one goal today and it is to make a HTML log in page for my app

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:20 PM

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do you know any sites i can use to start learning?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:20 PM

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!resources

inner wrenBOT Feb 22, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:20 PM

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thats nice

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okay so let me also start setting goals for myself

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:21 PM

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i am too scared to do interviews right now

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:21 PM

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ive been there before

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:21 PM

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they're gonna ask me some leetcode question and i won't know what i'm doing

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:21 PM

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i know how that feels

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:21 PM

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so i am taking this year to do projects and learn data structures w algorithms

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my advisor does nothing

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she won't even email me good internships to apply for or programs

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she's like you're in college do your own work

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:22 PM

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thats tuff

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i guess you have to find them yourself

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:23 PM

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yeah i know where to find them

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:23 PM

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isnt there a way to change your advisor?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:23 PM

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she's the only one

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the only career advisor at hofstra

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:23 PM

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oh

crisp cipher Feb 22, 2021, 4:24 PM

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any project her ? i can help

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:24 PM

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whats the use of an advisor when they dont even help you

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:24 PM

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that's what i'm asking

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:24 PM

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i guess it is what it is

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do i really need to learn "print" and others as a beginner to python?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:25 PM

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uh yeah

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i'd say so

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:26 PM

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whelp

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:26 PM

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i mean

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you said you're a senior

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in college?

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:26 PM

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yeah

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:26 PM

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your knowledge of other languages can transfer into python

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:26 PM

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but a different career path unfortunately

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:26 PM

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it should be pretty easy for you to learn the basics

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:27 PM

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ive never learnt any language

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:27 PM

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what

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:27 PM

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like im a total beginner

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:27 PM

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ohhhhh

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i thought you were a senior in CS

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:27 PM

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nope

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:27 PM

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ok so

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go to where i tagged resources

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and read automate the boring stuff w python

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it is a great resource

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:28 PM

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sure

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and is python recommended to begin with?

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:28 PM

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hearty island and read automate the boring stuff w python

i dont see it

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seen it

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:30 PM

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hmmmmmm

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https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:31 PM

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thanks

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which year are you in?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:32 PM

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soph

crystal quail Feb 22, 2021, 4:33 PM

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nice

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:57 PM

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Pls

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What if I’m doing a coding interview

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And the interviewer is like sorry we don’t really use python can you use java instead

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can they do that?

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Valid question

subtle heart Feb 22, 2021, 4:58 PM

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no you shouldn't enter the interview if the stuff online says prerequisite: java

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 4:58 PM

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ok bc I read somewhere that they said any language but the interviewer said to not use python

jolly furnace Feb 22, 2021, 5:00 PM

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i think its because sometimes the runtimes when u use python can be a bit deceiving

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:00 PM

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oh god I don’t even know time and space complexity

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I have so much to learn

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get humbled lmao

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:16 PM

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https://youtu.be/Eolg0C9eyA4

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More about Swattage, the Product Innovation Lab - http://swattage.com/

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▶ Play video

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this might help if you want to come up w app ideas

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or project ideas in general

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i know i have trouble with it

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:19 PM

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hearty island ok bc I read somewhere that they said any language but the interviewer said to n...

maybe you can get away with pseudocode ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:19 PM

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delicate bane maybe you can get away with pseudocode <a:ID_BoomKek:663248902346113035>

F

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i mean i write psuedocode before i do a problem

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:24 PM

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i should do that

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:24 PM

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yeah some of the TAs recommended that

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when you asked them for help all they did was write psuedocode

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:25 PM

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that would def structure my thinking

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:25 PM

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it frustrated hella people but then again those people are probably not meant for CS

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if you get easily frustrated by problem solving cs is not for you

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:26 PM

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i forgot to redo my resume yesterday

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DoggoKek

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:26 PM

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oh lawd

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:26 PM

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i will do it today

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then apply again

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:27 PM

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pls i applied for this data science team to track covid stats

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they never emailed me back or scheduled an interview

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i think they ghosted me

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:27 PM

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they never get back to you

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:27 PM

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i even had a friend who worked w them talk to them about me

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:27 PM

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ken jee said the ratio was like 1 in 100

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will call you back

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ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:28 PM

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yes most companies will ghost you without a thought

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unless you're the next bill gates or something

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i don't say steve jobs bc he didn't code

shadow moss Feb 22, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Bill Gates wasn't some spectacular coder

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:29 PM

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nvm then

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unless you're one of those ex google ex facebook ex amazon

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those guys are absolute chads

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just walk into every major tech company

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and then leave in like a year

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why do they even do that

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i have made it my goal to at least get a prototype of this app

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:30 PM

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the flask one?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:31 PM

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yes

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:31 PM

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that would be good to put on your resume

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:31 PM

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yes it would mean a lot more than linear regression on some random dataset i found from kaggle

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https://tenor.com/view/blink-kid-sigh-ugh-mhmm-gif-15809387

Tenor

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pls i didn't even know what i was doing i just copied a udemy course on a dataset

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:32 PM

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hey linear regression is one of the most explainable algorithms so practical in the real world

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DoggoKek

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:32 PM

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yeah but that doesn't distinguish me at all

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:32 PM

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maybe if you had an interesting dataset

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or if you made it into an app

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streamlit

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then you can say you deployed it

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on your resume

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ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:33 PM

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pls on my cuna mutual group interview they kept asking me like algorithm questions

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and i was like

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yeah i did data visualizations

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:33 PM

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ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:33 PM

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and they were like what the hell are you doing here then this is for machine learning

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:34 PM

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blobf

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:34 PM

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they also spoke to my counselor and found out i was a soph not a junior

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so they were like yeah come back next year if you wanna try

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i can't believe my counselor deadass ratted me out like tht

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:34 PM

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that means no

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also your counselor is the worst

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ID_BoomKek

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:35 PM

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sis literally told me to take the projects off my resume

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that you don't need them for tech

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:35 PM

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hearty island that you don't need them for tech

i have never heard of a worse counselor

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:35 PM

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what in the outdated college counselor advice is that

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:35 PM

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srsly

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:35 PM

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i could get better advice by sending my resume to a moderator then that

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although they would probably block me

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:35 PM

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even if i went to my local community college, i could find better counselors

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:35 PM

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lol

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:35 PM

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ID_BoomKek

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those people have real, practical experience

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:36 PM

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and she won't stop spamming my email w handshake meetings

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how is a random information session w a company gonna do anything

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:36 PM

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watch she gets paid on commission

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:36 PM

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you know how many of those they have per day

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:36 PM

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kekw

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:36 PM

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like 20

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that's like so many college students

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:36 PM

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are you in advising or are you in sales?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:36 PM

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this isn't a movie or something that i'm gonna ask a mind blowing question

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:37 PM

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DoggoKek

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:37 PM

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they call my major business analytics

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which is funny bc you don't code till junior year

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and even when you start coding it's java

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JAVA

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:37 PM

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analytics is close to ds

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:38 PM

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believe me i checked ahead for future courses in the pathway

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:38 PM

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theres a nifty chart

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let me see if i can find it

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:38 PM

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my mom is telling me to get the hell out of hofstra as soon as i can

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please they are murdering me with these business courses that i don't care about

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marketing???? economics????

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:39 PM

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jk its too much work

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lol

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what does she mean by that?

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like get out and find a job

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?

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or what

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:40 PM

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she thinks hofstra is garbage and wants me to transfer

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:40 PM

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idk about ny uni's so...

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:40 PM

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please how does legal studies help me as a coder

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my counselor was like yeah you'll be more logical ig

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yes i'll sue my code if it stops working

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:41 PM

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idk but the last KNN podcast was about an attorney of 10 years switching to data science

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im like...

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ID_BoomKek

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competition is TOUGH

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:41 PM

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tech is competitive every time

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it's even more competitive now

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why doesn't VSC auto save it's hella annoying

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:42 PM

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it just surprised me bc dude def made more money as an attorney

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:42 PM

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yes

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:42 PM

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but ig money isnt everything yknow

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:42 PM

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i mean

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all those youtubers who quit their 200K jobs

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:42 PM

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he liked data science enough to get a paycut

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he said he did a bootcamp and transitioned after

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:43 PM

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you don't really need a bootcamp

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:43 PM

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and then companies wanted him bc he had that attorney experience

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:43 PM

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i know people who did bootcamps and got nothing out of it

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:43 PM

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he said the bootcamp was helpful bc of the mentorship and networking

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:43 PM

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they were like yeah dude imma work for amazon and boom they still work at fast food

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:44 PM

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and then ken jee said that should be the main reason why you do a bootcamp

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bc the info is free

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online

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:44 PM

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you can learn coding free online

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i refuse to pay money

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:44 PM

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he said if your bootcamp isnt 1) cheap and 2) provide mentorship, run away

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i was like

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ValkNaruhodo

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:45 PM

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you know

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flask isn't that bad

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i say that now

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and then i will run into a bug that will take me 2 hours to solve

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inb4 they make me code an app for the stupid advertising class

haughty turret Feb 22, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Csa

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:51 PM

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what

haughty turret Feb 22, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Hello

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:51 PM

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hi

haughty turret Feb 22, 2021, 5:51 PM

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Can I talk?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:52 PM

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yeah

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:52 PM

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needs to be about #career-advice

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else #python-discussion

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:52 PM

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rex where do you apply to internships

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:53 PM

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hmm?

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lets see

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according to my google doc

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indeed

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glassdoor

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straight up google

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ID_BoomKek

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theres newer sites too

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like jumpstart

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:54 PM

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angellist

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:54 PM

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and handshake

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:54 PM

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yep

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:54 PM

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oh i meant to do that one

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forgot

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:54 PM

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pretty much the same thing lmao

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:54 PM

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DoggoKek

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:54 PM

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i was going through a phase

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where i would just go indeed, chegg intenrnships, glass door, angellist

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LinkedIN
Chegg Internships
Indeed
Glassdoor
Handshake
ParkerDewey
AngelList
Data Yoshi

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this whole list

ocean ledge Feb 22, 2021, 5:55 PM

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are internships that hard to get?

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:55 PM

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yes

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:55 PM

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no wait i do have one

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:55 PM

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the competition is intense

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:55 PM

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ocean ledge are internships that hard to get?

1 out of 100 call you back

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according to ken jee

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which is for the most part seems to confirm in my experience

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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dude only 2 out of 300 gave me an offer

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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i applied to like a 100 and got a few calls back

hearty island Feb 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/kermit-suicide-flip-jump-crash-gif-5140737

Tenor

delicate bane Feb 22, 2021, 5:56 PM

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maybe you need to change your resume

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if youre not getting the average