career-advice

[sudden shadow]

i hate doing classes like chemistry, i dont need to know any of that for the future smh

[hearty island]

i took ap chem in HS it was awful

why i did not become a doctor lol

[sudden shadow]

what is the difference between computer science and software engineering

[foggy agate]

nothing

[golden tundra]

Be warned that you need to make sure your community college classes will transfer to whatever university
Sometimes not all the classes do

I would say that CS is broader than software engineering

Software engineering is a more specific application of computer science

[hearty island]

yes

[sudden shadow]

which one pays more?

[golden tundra]

CS isn’t a job

[sudden shadow]

oh

[golden tundra]

CS is a field you can get jobs in

Software engineering is one of those jobs

[sudden shadow]

I want to do something in CS

[golden tundra]

Again, i would characterize CS as a broader field that contains things like software engineering

[hearty island]

or data science

[golden tundra]

CS also includes a lot of highly theoretical things, for instance, that aren’t frequently seen in general software engineering

[sudden shadow]

is software developer the same thing as a software engineer?

[golden tundra]

AI is another example

[foggy agate]

don't go into a job thinking about what you'll get paid or you'll end up liking careers that will haunt you forever more, do what you enjoy, your aptitude and you are good at

[golden tundra]

Generally, more or less

[golden tundra]

I don’t think this is very practical advice

[foggy agate]

compsci also means Machine Learning Artificial Intelligence engineer

[golden tundra]

Of course pay should be some consideration
It just shouldn’t be the only consideration

But people need to pay bills and eat

[foggy agate]

@golden tundra its super realistic though, b/c pay will eventually make you miserable, ask the doctors who quit

[sudden shadow]

i just want a good job that pays alot so I can help my family

[golden tundra]

. . .

[foggy agate]

Ravel work at Amazon $17 an hour

warehouse job, kaboom

[golden tundra]

It shouldn’t be your only consideration of course, but it absolutely can’t be ignored

[foggy agate]

true

[golden tundra]

Or else people wouldn’t fcking work
They’d just volunteer for things

If you’re going to take on significant loan debt, for instance, I would argue you need to make sure your anticipated career has some way of paying it off
Maybe you can use the Public Service Loan forgiveness, for instance

[foggy agate]

just get some Indian buddies (I'm halfway Indian) and they'll hook you up in some 3 month certificate, write about 5 years of fake job experience which you'll learn on the job, get an SAP or AWS certificate, and make $150k PER YEAR bawling out of control

[golden tundra]

If you want to enter a relatively low paying field that has a public service aspect

Ray, I find your advice incredibly impractical and unrealistic

[sudden shadow]

if i get a lower paying software engineering job, could I always get a new one with the experience from my old job?

and work my way up

[foggy agate]

@golden tundra you're not focused ont he times we are in, you're focused on an ideal world, look around you, there's a pandemic

[near ocean]

this has to be a troll right?

[golden tundra]

Telling someone to lie on their resume is always terrible advice

They may be a troll

[foggy agate]

I'm giving no BS takes with zero filter but its sort of reality at this point

no troll here, just a human with halfway common sense

[golden tundra]

I feel like trolls tend to go for more outrageous statements

[hearty island]

@near ocean this is the same guy w the bootcamps from before

[foggy agate]

yes its the bootcamp guy from before indeed

[golden tundra]

But Ray may find a longer period of time and being less obvious to be more rewarding if they are indeed a troll

[foggy agate]

@golden tundra that's a valid feeling

[sudden shadow]

i thought the pay was higher than that

[foggy agate]

67% of ppl lie on their resumes

if you don't, you won't get ahead, facts

[golden tundra]

I don’t think that’s accurate

[foggy agate]

remember I've been to Carnegie Mellon for an MBA, i may know a thing or two when it comes to career shifts

[sudden shadow]

whats a good site to look at software engineering jobs

[golden tundra]

People market themselves on resumes, so they leave off unflattering things and portray things in specific ways to make themselves look better

But outright and outrageous lies certainly aren’t that common

People do background checks

[foggy agate]

but sometimes you can do a Udemy course and put it as job work experience without saying its a lie

[golden tundra]

Uh
You’d normally have to list a company

[foggy agate]

b/c facts are you know the inner workings of it

[near ocean]

thats definitely not a SWE role

[sudden shadow]

do you know a good website to look at software engineering jobs around me

im curious what the pay is

around me

[ocean ledge]

please tell me this entire room is trolling

[foggy agate]

you didn't get to be Bill Gates' third cousin and work in MSFT back in 1982, you were part of real life

[ocean ledge]

i think i just lost brain cells

[golden tundra]

I’m quite certain Ray is a troll now

[hearty island]

@ocean ledge i'm scared

[near ocean]

glassdoor can give some estimate of salaries in an area

[golden tundra]

But I don’t think the entire room is a troll

[foggy agate]

lol i'm not i'm trolling a bit but honestly serious

[hearty island]

this is becoming #python-discussion

[golden tundra]

@sudden shadow I normally look at specific companies on Glassdoor, I find that helps
Look for job titles like junior developer or junior software engineer to get a better idea of entry level

Is “strong suspicion of being a troll” reportable to the mods?

On the note of Ray

[foggy agate]

Is not having common sense while having reasonable convos reportable to the mods?

[ocean ledge]

a lot of aggregate salaries in glassdoor are a result of 1) title inflation, 2) people from different countries with different pay

[near ocean]

you can search by area

[ocean ledge]

i have seen the tail end of the graphs being around 10k and thinking "yeah, thats an indian dev"

[foggy agate]

on the note of @golden tundra

[near ocean]

but yes

[foggy agate]

indian devs invented comp sci, kinda

[ocean ledge]

what

[near ocean]

bro just stop

[ocean ledge]

yeah, you're a troll

[foggy agate]

or learned it at an exponentially fast level so all of India is being imported to USA

[hearty island]

can i tag moderators now

[golden tundra]

The progenitor of computer science is generally cited to be Ada Lovelace

[hearty island]

or nah

[near ocean]

i'd use modmail

[hearty island]

ooh i've never used that

how do you do that

[golden tundra]

I’m not certain, to be honest, but I don’t think it’d hurt to mod mail them

Dm the bot

[foggy agate]

DON'T WASTE mods times, unless you're a loser without common sense, in which case plz do

[ocean ledge]

ray, do you even work in the industry lmao

[golden tundra]

I mean
I’ve got a CS job
According to your post yesterday
You’re still interviewing

[foggy agate]

i don't, looking to learn java ina week

[ocean ledge]

why are you giving advice when you clearly don't know much

[golden tundra]

If you’re still interviewing

[foggy agate]

I got spicy advices

[sudden shadow]

only 3 jobs show up when i look up software developer here and they all pay so low

[foggy agate]

well I do have a job, I make decent $$, i'm trying to make more decent $$

[golden tundra]

Then I really don’t feel that you’re qualified to be calling us losers

[ocean ledge]

15 an hour aint decent money

[hearty island]

this is def troll behavior

[foggy agate]

Well I bet I can intellectually flex and bang on all of you combined?

[hearty island]

100%

[foggy agate]

how's that for a challenge out of left field?

[golden tundra]

Ray reminds me of my brother when he was 13

[hearty island]

ray reminds me of that kid i blocked in high school

[sudden shadow]

those are the only oens that show up

[foggy agate]

lol 29k

[golden tundra]

I’d probably take the middle of the range, Ravel

[ocean ledge]

ray you can't intellectually flex a straw pls

[hearty island]

uh i don't use discord much how do i dm mod mail

[foggy agate]

pastafish I could intellectually crush you and I would if I didn't have a project i was focused on currently, but no worries I'll be back to troll on you in 4 days

[golden tundra]

Mobile or desktop?

[hearty island]

desktop

[near ocean]

its at the top of the user list

[golden tundra]

Okay wow, you sound more and more like my brother as you talk

[near ocean]

right click and message

[foggy agate]

pasta fish, my IQ is higher than yours, I promise

[ocean ledge]

sure

[hearty island]

done

[golden tundra]

Unfortunately, last time someone messaged mods here, I think the wait time was about an hour

[sudden shadow]

how the hell are there only 3 software engineering jobs here bruh

[ocean ledge]

that's fine

[golden tundra]

So I’m not sure how immediate it’ll be

[near ocean]

dudebro just stop please

[hearty island]

uh it messaged me back and said timed out

is that normal

[golden tundra]

I don’t believe so

That sounds like whatever API it’s using might not be responding

[foggy agate]

I need someone to freaking teach me Codility in 2 days, the end

[hearty island]

so should we tag moderators here then

[foggy agate]

dude if you want to tag them, tag them, jesus freaking christ this kid is annoying as fk

no common sense my god

[ocean ledge]

i didn't know mcdonalds did coding interviews now

times are hard

[foggy agate]

no but a 200k job is doing coding interviews, which is better than a $140k JOB

SO YES tiems are veryyy tough

[sudden shadow]

does anyone here have a software engineering job? if so, what exactly do you do? what do you code?

[golden tundra]

I’ve taken and passed a Codility assessment, but your attitude is incredibly off putting and on the off chance you aren’t a troll, I don’t think anyone here is inclined to help you.

[foggy agate]

mcdonalds, lolz, worked there in HS, gr8 job

[hearty island]

yeah you're kinda rude dude

[golden tundra]

McDonald’s does have tech, so I imagine they do do coding interviews for that

[hearty island]

it must be for corporate or something

[foggy agate]

@rose basin so you didn't address my question when I asked last night or today, now you're speaking all about the topic and saying you passed the quiz, vow, and they say I'm a bad guy

[golden tundra]

One of my former managers used to do consulting for them or something

I didn’t see your question

I wasn’t on last night

I just checked your history

[foggy agate]

how did you pass codilit

codility

[golden tundra]

It isn’t exactly rocket science

Why on earth would I help you with that?

[foggy agate]

wait you took computer science in college yes?

why on earth wouldn't you unless you're here to troll which looks like your god given purpose?

oh you're trying to be a clever guy against someone 5 times more clever than you, gotcha

no i feel you rebel no worries 😄

i joined discord yesterday,

[golden tundra]

More and more like a 13 year old every minute

[foggy agate]

hey in my 30's, chillax

[ocean ledge]

yo ray drop your linkedin i can help with your assessment

[golden tundra]

That’s how my brother kept trying to win arguments against me

[sudden shadow]

do you have a software engineering job? if so, what exactly do you do? what do you code?

[foggy agate]

lol why throw me to the ends of hell fire with calling me your brother my friend?

[hearty island]

....

[golden tundra]

I do, but honestly, I don’t want to talk about it with Ray around
And I need to get back to work, I was on lunch
I can DM you in a bit @sudden shadow

[foggy agate]

I don't have a Computer Science degree but need to learn algos and data structures by Sunday

[sudden shadow]

ok tysm for trying to help me

[foggy agate]

simple ast hat

[hearty island]

ok?

[foggy agate]

and not just here in couple other coding rooms as well

@ocean ledge what does Linkedin have to do with Codility assessment?

[delicate bane]

@hearty island oh fellow DS friend - this is a pretty good intro stats book and its free https://www.openintro.org/book/os/

[hearty island]

thanks bro i'll check it out

[delicate bane]

np bud. gl

[hearty island]

i had an internship for a nonprofit organization

but it was so badly organized i quit immediately

[delicate bane]

i considered nonprofit internships if i couldnt get a paid one

or even just volunteering my skills. ik thats a thing people do

[hearty island]

pls

i was begging people on linkedin who work for numerator if i could shadow an employee

and they were like hell no

[delicate bane]

[hearty island]

F

[delicate bane]

probably company policy

[hearty island]

there was this company called NMM need more meds

[delicate bane]

yknow company secrets and all that jazz

[hearty island]

something about using machine learning to send medical supplies

i joined and these guys were like hey do this impossible machine learning thing and i left

[delicate bane]

oh no

so many people think ML is a silver bullet

[hearty island]

i ghosted them so hard i blocked them on linkedin

machine learning is not anyone's savior

[delicate bane]

thats when you show them this image

[hearty island]

what's next oh use machine learning to predict how much i need to study for a test???

what bullshit

yes there is actually a company that does that i forgot the name

it's a startup or something

[delicate bane]

also i found out that sponsoring someone is $$$

[hearty island]

oh

[delicate bane]

like a company sponsor

i was curious bc its like on every app

so i looked it up

[hearty island]

what does it mean to sponsor someone

like sponsor someone's college?

[delicate bane]

uhh like

[hearty island]

sponsor their education

pay for it??

[delicate bane]

sponsor someones visa

if theyre an international student or something

[hearty island]

only the big companies do that

or am i wrong

[delicate bane]

i think it depends on the skillset

company i interviewed at said theyve done it

but only for people they REALLY want

bc its a financial investment

and theyre like less than 150 employees

[hearty island]

have you gotten a job or an internship yet?

[delicate bane]

nope

[hearty island]

sorry

don't wanna give vietnam flashbacks

[delicate bane]

i mean i think this last one seems promising

i just have one more interview with the vp left

[hearty island]

if it makes you feel any better i'm a soph who only is 2 years from graduating and still isn't good enough at coding

[delicate bane]

[hearty island]

does that help i hope it does

[delicate bane]

im a grad student and basically in the same shoes as you

bc i switched fields

[hearty island]

omg dude we're gonna be bffs

[delicate bane]

at least youre starting early

[hearty island]

yeah but i should've started before i entered college

would have given me the best advantage

could've stormed through basic python class

[delicate bane]

its ok. youre not missing out on much

[near ocean]

lmao career changing grads unite

[delicate bane]

@near ocean

career change leggo

[hearty island]

business major that knows his degree is useless

[delicate bane]

you thinking about DS too?

[near ocean]

lmao no way

i went from CS to finance

now back to cs i guess cause pandemic

[delicate bane]

actually for DS, having product sense/business sense is a valuable skill

oh i see

you could do both..?

become a quant?

[hearty island]

there's just so much work for DS i might as well just get good at algo/DS for now

[delicate bane]

[hearty island]

by ds i mean data structures

[near ocean]

i could but the degree put me off quant work

[delicate bane]

what does that mean?

[near ocean]

i didnt like it

[delicate bane]

like they wouldnt allow it?

oh

gotcha

[near ocean]

t'was boring

[delicate bane]

ive heard

what about fintech?

thats a thing

i think

[near ocean]

its all the same

[delicate bane]

i see

[hearty island]

i interned for a fintech company

it was awful

[near ocean]

i have friends that struggled to learn python and cpp and are now writing latex reports all day and looking at spreadsheets

am not about that tbh

[hearty island]

business analysts spend their entire day looking at spreadsheets

and excel

[delicate bane]

[marsh wind]

i think half community here changed career at a point

[delicate bane]

you too?

[marsh wind]

you can say that

[hearty island]

i changed to business bc i'm dumb

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[near ocean]

im doing hobbyist webdev nowadays cause it sounds easier to find a job that web

shit sucks

[hearty island]

hey something is better than nothing

my friend made ______ sites to make money in college

[delicate bane]

[hearty island]

fill in the blank w your imagination i don't wanna be kicked

[delicate bane]

[near ocean]

lmao php scrub

[hearty island]

he made 5K and then he got an internship at ____hub

[swift veldt]

yes

[hearty island]

i didn't know they gave internships

[swift veldt]

[hearty island]

that man is a god

god amongst men

[marsh wind]

😉 stalking #career-advice as usual?

[swift veldt]

always

😄

[hearty island]

you should've come earlier

there was this guy

it was getting #python-discussion levels of crazy

[jolly furnace]

thats worth

[swift veldt]

I'm 28 and switched from finance to data science (currently studying towards a MSc) and I have an internship lined up for the summer.

basically

[hearty island]

@jolly furnace hell yeah dude

[jolly furnace]

definately sth that isnt awkward to put in a resume

[hearty island]

hey i mean if he works his way up to a senior role there he will be set

good luck explaining that to your kids or your future significant other

[jolly furnace]

gotta be loud and proud with that

[marsh wind]

nothing to be ashamed of in 2021 🙂

[hearty island]

i mean as long as he's making money right

_______hub might sponsor his master's degree]

[swift veldt]

nothing wrong about el famoso hornpub. As far as I know they have a strong tech team from which to learn from. If someone jeers at you for working there, especially a recruiter, well that's one hefty red flag.

[hearty island]

yeah

[jolly furnace]

what if dodge bonks u

[crude crown]

actually the porn industry were at the forefront of quite some innovations

think about the first video sites on the internetz... what do you think were they about? 🤷‍♂️

[hearty island]

the prawn industry

.topic

oh damn i didn't know that

there's some beef in python general

[hexed zealot]

Lol, I just noticed

[swift veldt]

It's best kept there.

[hearty island]

yeah

[delicate bane]

apparently a chart from gartner

[hearty island]

my uncle works for oracle

[delicate bane]

i thought aws would be placed further

[hearty island]

salesman

and my dad works for canon

[delicate bane]

does this mean i should learn azure instead

[hearty island]

whatever you want kiddo

[delicate bane]

im older tho

[hearty island]

i know that's what makes it funnier

always made me mad when people called me kiddo or bud

don't know why it just came off as passive agressive

[delicate bane]

really? i like bud

kiddos are for toddlers

tho

[hearty island]

i don't like bud bc there was this one really rude kid always using bud

mad annoyinh

[delicate bane]

i saw an article on linkedin about "boomers being left behind by jobs recovery" https://www.linkedin.com/news/story/boomers-left-behind-by-jobs-recovery-4321305/

the question is how much of it was the pandemic and how much of it was increasing skills gap

[hearty island]

Most of the people who started w coding for a company don’t code after a while

They do big picture stuff

so then they have to re learn those skills

My dad is like that now

[timid mirage]

Yup, the more Sr. you are the more of your time is spent teaching/consulting/design

[hearty island]

poor guy wants to work for another company now but then he has to re teach himself how to code

it s rough

[delicate bane]

you dont use it, you lose it

my biggest fear

[hearty island]

Yes Rex

[delicate bane]

note to self: practice often so this doesnt happen

[hearty island]

That’s why we’re both staying on this server and helping people after we get jobs

[delicate bane]

if i could get half as good as the helpers in #data-science-and-ml ill be satisied

[hearty island]

me too

[karmic tundra]

will software enginerring be a thing in the future and will the salary be good

[true harness]

there will still be people needed to write for quantum computers

[hearty island]

i didn't get to do much hackerrank this week

not happy w myself about it

[dry sapphire]

I would like to specialise in artificial intelligence quantum blockchain, myself

[delicate bane]

theres plenty more tho

[jolly furnace]

dodgecoin

that is where it is at

[ember crane]

!f avatar

[inner wren]

You are not allowed to use that command here. Please use the #bot-commands channel instead.

[hearty island]

Pls

God knows I’m even built for data science

I’m just doing algos and data structures 😐

pray for me guys that in 2 years I’m unstoppable

[vapid jay]

anyone do computer science at uni?

[hearty island]

I did

know the basis of the language before you enter

It will make your life easier

You won’t have to spend days at office hours

[tough umbra]

#python-discussion

[hearty island]

Why are you tagging python general

😐

[compact crescent]

does anyone have any recommended resources or websites to practice/learn coding for software engineering?

[hearty island]

are you a beginner

[coral oxide]

ummm no !

[torpid totem]

Two questions

1. how can I keep myself from being overwhelmed while I go through and learn python?
2. What are some tactics you all use to keep yourself guided to the learning/overall progression (e.g. how do you force yourself out of bed - disclaimer i have been over sleeping lately- to go and read that chapter or watch that tutorial or bust out some code?)

In your responses please @ me so I can see them easily

Thanks

^ I think these questions might overall help others who are slightly struggling too

[tranquil fox]

For me to not overwhelm myself I listen to lo-fi music.

[hearty island]

@torpid totem 1. Take breaks 2. Splash cold water in your face or do jumping jacks idk

something that gets your heart pumping

[quartz belfry]

i'd just go outside and walk to starbucks

[hearty island]

Whatever floats your boat

[frigid night]

Hello Computer Programming community! I have some good news for you today! There is an algorithmic programming competition called Code Swiper that was recently created. It is a completely free!

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Prizes include:
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Top 4-5: Free Symbolab
Top 50: Free t-shirt

There may be more prizes not decided yet, potentially including gift cards.

https://codeswiper.us/

[quartz belfry]

that's insane

[ebon sun]

Embrace the overwhelm. Look at stuff that is way beyond yourself. For productivity, don't expect yourself to grind 8 hrs per day out of the box. Set a reasonable goal per day, 1-2 hrs of work and go from there. Oversleeping, set an alarm, see about an accountabilibuddy, push through the tired.

[inner phoenix]

Hi just want to ask a question for web developers. before you get into your job did your company uses a tool to assess your knowledge? what was is and what company? thanks for the help

[oblique storm]

Is easy

[delicate bane]

this listing said youll be a "Lead" on a team doing data science, ML, AI, and "primary research" but these were the only technical skills mentioned

guess youll be running your models on excel, huh?

[prisma gyro]

Hey guys, can anyway ping me and throw me some ideas for programs which i could write which show a level of competency and put on github as a folio?

[crude crown]

Clear reject.

[timid mirage]

Make something that you use in your life/projects and share it

[timber lagoon]

im not trusting a site with these at the bottom of your profile that dont lead anywhere

[quiet dirge]

Hello everyone, I'm a designer looking for partner for a free/open source project dm me if you are interested

[slim violet]

@quiet dirge is it about penguins?

[quiet dirge]

What is penguins?

[slim violet]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-omw-running-slide-whoa-gif-9915713

[noble palm]

Any sugesstion as how to start open source contribution? Mainly Python, Data Scientist 2 years exp

[near ocean]

Go to github, look at issues, filter by language of choice, contribute

There really isnt a guide besides following the repo's contribution guidelines

[hearty island]

hella sus

hey guys

i have an idea

what if i made an app where professional photographers can sell their pictures

https://ideasai.net/

this is why i use this website

or what about an app that helps people plan for their electricity bill

[delicate bane]

some of these, if scaled down, wouldnt be bad project ideas

[hearty island]

yes

[delicate bane]

this would be a good project for the resume/portfolio

[hearty island]

yes

[delicate bane]

obv its been done before but you could still do one from scratch

[hearty island]

yeah most of these things have been done before

[crude fern]

try something new

like image encryption

it covers many fields in one project

[hearty island]

uhhhh

[crude fern]

just saying

[hearty island]

okie

[sacred plinth]

I want to be soo good in python

Help me

[delicate bane]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[delicate bane]

@sacred plinth start there

[hearty island]

what he said

how you doing @delicate bane

i feel my python mojo returning

it was gone for a while bc i wasn't coding

[delicate bane]

i feel overwhelmed. too many resources

[sacred plinth]

I am actually good in python but i want to learn more advanced stuff

[delicate bane]

!projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[delicate bane]

do some of these

[sacred plinth]

Leeme check

[torpid totem]

too many resources and projects = overhwlemed

i agree

im reading my textbook and im feeling overwhelmed too

idk

maybe the life of a potato is for me

jk i cant do that

[near ocean]

this isnt really careers relevant

[hearty island]

@sacred plinth sacrifice your soul to satan and do leetcode hard questions

[delicate bane]

yeah talk about careers

and the lack of them for us

[torpid totem]

well in regards to career, i have none.

[hearty island]

uh i'm in college and i don't think i have the skills for an internship

[sacred plinth]

Great suggestion

[hearty island]

so i'm torturing myself with hackerrank and leetcode until i figure out good projects to do

[delicate bane]

oh apparently this site is good for figuring out which path is good for you/recommends good resources https://workera.ai/

[hearty island]

where's that site with the ideas

that shit was gold

[delicate bane]

they have these ones

[sacred plinth]

Where are you from ?

[hearty island]

NY

[delicate bane]

and then tests your skills in like 6 domains, tells you where you suck

[hearty island]

i suck everywhere

i just try to suck less

[delicate bane]

tbh same

[sacred plinth]

I wanna see your github bro

[delicate bane]

but they said i did decent on the DS test

[hearty island]

pls my github is awful

it's embarassing

[sacred plinth]

I am sorry for asking leave it

🥲

[hearty island]

it's just me doing models on kaggle datasets

[torpid totem]

if you think your github is bad

mine's garbage

on fire

in the ocean

[hearty island]

models that i don't even know how to work with

bc i don't know the damn math

[sacred plinth]

And and whats your age

[hearty island]

19

[torpid totem]

23

[sacred plinth]

Hmm i am 21

[hearty island]

oh shit arcane you may be more screwed than i am

[torpid totem]

lmfao

thankx

thanks

[hearty island]

living w your parents pt 586868655

[torpid totem]

my life is a meme

:/

[hearty island]

my whole day i spend laughing at a computer as i drive myself crazy with coding problems

[sacred plinth]

Same 🥲

[hearty island]

pls what even

this is supposed to be easy

i'm gonna cry

[near ocean]

its just nested list comps

[hearty island]

i can't talk about it here can i

i'll open a help channel

i have never heard of a list comp

[delicate bane]

i have a softmax question lol

from that workera website

that helps with careers

i put numerical overflow bc of the exp function

it sounds right to me

[hearty island]

what greek is that

[delicate bane]

dont ask me. this next one is even harder

about gradient descent optimization

idk the answer lol

@hearty island you should visit that website

[leaden ferry]

.

[delicate bane]

will tell you which career paths are available

too

[forest urchin]

Hello, what is the most effective manner to learn python

[hearty island]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[delicate bane]

@hearty island look at these two

[hearty island]

wow i don't think i could cover half

not even a quarter

[delicate bane]

heres this one too

ok one more

[hearty island]

wow

my communication is gonna be very high

[delicate bane]

hey your business acumen is already up there, right business major?

hey this chart is pretty good

time to learn everything

[hearty island]

pls

i have no skills

i can't even understand list comprehension

that's how bad i am

[marsh wind]

Omg man don't overthink this now. When I was 19 I was going to uni doing courses and playing Dota 2 with me friends in evening or going out

You've time to learn lot yet and find what's best for you

At a time I didn't even know what is VCS let alone github

[crude crown]

indeed man...

[hearty island]

Someone has summoned me

bro I have to do something or my ass will be unemployed once I graduate

If I can build up the skills then I can get an internship and a job

then they can pay for my grad school

[near ocean]

github is one of those things you should learn as soon as possible

[marsh wind]

If you ars in US you might not need grad school

[near ocean]

if you dont graduate with a decent portfolio you've wasted your time imo

[marsh wind]

Also best thing you can do is find what you enjoy most and focus on that. Worst thing would be forcing yourself to love something that is not your thing.

[marsh wind]

Yeah I don't deny that. All I say that at age of 19 there's time to do some leisure stuff to and not just push yourself to the edge

At least from my experiences, your mileage may vary.

[peak halo]

My cousin is a professor in the US for a subject that isn't CS. He said that if they see a grad school application from an undergrad senior, and it looks like they're just trying to postpone having to decide what they want to do by staying in school, they don't look on those applications favorably.

[delicate bane]

get a few years then change careers like me and apply to grad school then

[marsh wind]

P.s. Also my XP is non US

[peak halo]

Maybe you have an opinion on this @near ocean: a friend was telling me that he had to do a one-year coop in order to graduate (computer science undergraduate degree, US). And my position is that the university shouldn't mandate that you have to have an experience that they don't facilitate. So they shouldn't be saying "you have to go out and find yourself a coop" unless they've negotiated with certain companies that those positions will be available to their students.

On the flip side, my university is having me do a senior design project that spans two semesters, and they guarantee that projects will be available for every senior. But the projects tend to be half-baked and I don't think it's a very enriching experience for most.

[delicate bane]

thats interesting bc in europe many programs require coops/internships to graduate

[hearty island]

I just want to get good at python

That’s it

[delicate bane]

agreed. i didnt know anything at that age

[hearty island]

Get a job from it and make money

that’s all

[vapid jay]

I got my first job today

Feels good

[delicate bane]

grats

[vapid jay]

Thanks

[delicate bane]

what area/field

if you dont mind sharing

[vapid jay]

Software engineering

[delicate bane]

nice

[vapid jay]

But I have like a slight issue

[near ocean]

i studied in the UK but i didnt opt for the industrial experience degree
usually the university helps you find a position so you can complete the industrial experience year

[marsh wind]

Then go and do it 😉

[vapid jay]

Like I got offered 2 jobs. I accepted one before the other. I am taking the second so now need to figure out how to kindly say no to the first

[delicate bane]

thats awkward

[vapid jay]

I even ordered a laptop for the first company

[delicate bane]

[vapid jay]

But I like the second company better

I will get more xp and stuff with them and they are much larger international org

[marsh wind]

Just be honest with first and say that you got a better offer and give 1-2 points why you found it better

[vapid jay]

Yeah trueee

[hearty island]

@marsh wind uh duh?

Why else would I be here

[marsh wind]

I mean, set up a clear plan, goals and follow it

[hearty island]

Uh 😐

that’s what I’m doing

I’m trying to get good enough at algos and data structures

[hearty island]

Me realizing I have to learn an entire new language to create an app

😐

need to create something for my miserable portfolio

Do you guys think a machine learning interviewer would bat an eye at games you created?

I can think of games easier than what I can think of for ML

[near ocean]

make games then

i can think of more machine learning projects than games personally

[delicate bane]

why? you can make a web app with python

[hearty island]

@delicate bane don’t know how to do that

[delicate bane]

flask or django

[hearty island]

I used bottle once

[delicate bane]

or be like me and use streamlit bc it requires little knowledge

great for ds/ml peeps

[near ocean]

make a simple CRUD app

just follow a tutorial the first time

and then add auth and a proper db and whatnot

[hearty island]

what’s crud

[near ocean]

create read update delete

theyre basic db operations

[hearty island]

maybe once I can do the hackerrank questions and feel good about myself again

I’ll try it out

I don’t get it list comprehension isn’t that bad

maybe I’m just burnt out

[delicate bane]

maybe. you still have time dude

dont push yourself too much

those jobs arent going anywhere

[foggy lichen]

guys i have a furry friend you can send him good messages: yum:
a.a.a.a.a.a. # 6096

[hearty island]

@delicate bane hahahahaha me pushing myself never

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-sasuke-anime-uchiha-sasuke-uzumaki-naruto-gif-17778150

Me beating the python knowledge into my brain @delicate bane

[near ocean]

is it working?

[hearty island]

no comment

[near ocean]

its not working

[hearty island]

yeah what projects have you made

[near ocean]

I've made a music bot, a lyric fetcher, a url shortener, a couple p5 drawings, other smaller things

Helping the girlfriend with bioinformatics atm

[delicate bane]

rip. youre supposed to be the adult. now he feels discouraged @near ocean

also bioinformatics is cool

thought about doing that for a while

R is big in that field

but i think its harder to move up in that field so here i am

[near ocean]

Bioinformatics is not cool, take a look at BioPython and its docs and tell me if you still think its cool

[delicate bane]

obv the technical side is kinda trash

[near ocean]

Code written by non CS people is trash and i automatically think less of them for doing so

[delicate bane]

ive heard many complaining

but the bio side is cool

that was my undergrad btw. molecular genetics

[near ocean]

MFW i check ncbi apis and theyre written in Perl

[delicate bane]

[near ocean]

Absolutely abominable

My gf's msc is in biotechnology but she cant find a field position nowadays

[delicate bane]

this wouldve been fixed if we had more bio/life sciences require cs 101

[near ocean]

Python and bioinformatics for her

[delicate bane]

in their bs degree

[delicate bane]

really? that tough huh?

[near ocean]

Yea sadly

She's stuck working in a covid lab

[delicate bane]

not enough grant money

theyve reduced science spending

at least bioinformatics is a good adjacent path

[near ocean]

Haha she hates computational work tho

Im trying to get her to keep learning

[delicate bane]

i hated it at first too

[near ocean]

Writing a fullstack app for her to use her dna tools

[delicate bane]

but that was when i was trying to do java

oh nice

[near ocean]

Trying to guilt her into keeping on working with python

[delicate bane]

that sounds fun

theres a bioinformatics/data science guy i follow

@near ocean https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVLRashaA8&list=PLtqF5YXg7GLlQJUv9XJ3RWdd5VYGwBHrP&ab_channel=DataProfessor

maybe shell like this guy

[near ocean]

I think its this guy she's learning from

[delicate bane]

thats funny

[near ocean]

Maybe not tho, i took a look at the code she was using and it was terrible

[delicate bane]

this guy used to be in bioinformatics but shifted more into data science

[near ocean]

Its so funny how you can immediately tell someone's a biologist/physicist by their code

[delicate bane]

he used to be a biologist before

lol how

[near ocean]

Shit's unreadable

[delicate bane]

inb4 thats me

i try to write good code

[near ocean]

Lmao

[delicate bane]

lots of comments

[near ocean]

Bruh physicist code is a whole other level

Looks like hieroglyphics

[delicate bane]

my ai prof was phd physics + postdoc

[near ocean]

Single char variables lost in huge expressions with operators and math.whatevers

[delicate bane]

but somehow it still runs

[near ocean]

imo only thing that comes close is tkinter code

[delicate bane]

omg

i have this tkinter assignment

and its godawful

cant get the damn thing to work right

documentation's awful too

my question is why?

you dont use tkinter

in real life

or jobs?

[near ocean]

I've seen tkinter in a single job posting

In my life

[delicate bane]

really??

oh

single

[near ocean]

No idea why but yes some person out there was asking for a tkinter guy

[delicate bane]

[near ocean]

Thats one more than d.py postings omegalmao

[delicate bane]

speaking of jobs, a recruiter emailed me again today. wants to finalize the meeting with me and an alumni that works for them

she says "its just a meeting" but i feel like...isnt this just another way for them to interview me?

[hearty island]

That’s something

[delicate bane]

yeah but this guys background was in EE and his masters thesis was like CV + sign language or something. i dont got nothin

[hearty island]

Idk bro

[delicate bane]

im just gonna go shower and do some katas

[hearty island]

Codewars? Or martial arts?

[delicate bane]

codewars

[hearty island]

Always the same gif

:DoggoKek:

Damnit why can’t I use that emoji

:DoggoKek:

😐

This makes me so mad

[peak halo]

A few years ago I got an award from the community college I was attending for "academic excellence in the study of religion". I was encouraged to add that to my resume but I don't make any prior reference to having attended that community college and it might look strange in the context of everything else that's on there.

I could just say "Award for Academic Excellence" and not say what in particular. I guess.

[torpid totem]

ooorrrr you can just add another project to your resume

[delicate bane]

ive left off some awards and such bc they didnt have as much impact. kept only a couple publications instead.

its all in a master list tho, so i can add it back in easily if i need to

[celest ravine]

can anyone tell me from where to study the python language

i donot have any ideal about it

[noble basalt]

lots of sources, linkdin learning, youtube, linuxacademy.com, udemy, learnpython.org. There are more, just can't think of them at the moment.

[merry radish]

i learnt the basics from a youtube course

[noble basalt]

you can also download pycharm from jetbrains.com, search the education section and download the Python app, it'll take you through from basics to advanced while you are coding

[dusty lark]

Hey python dev.
What's your key step to find a freelance python job.

It's silly but i really wanted to know

[tiny crest]

hello

a person send me a pytchon message

[inner wren]

Hey @tiny crest!

Uh-oh! It looks like your message got zapped by our spam filter. We currently don't allow .txt attachments, so here are some tips to help you travel safely:

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[tiny crest]

and i looking for person who give me info what he could do with my computer

please dm me

[terse ore]

K

[keen ibex]

Hey, I got to the final stage for an internship which relies heavily on react along with a python backend etc.
The final stage will be a techincal video interview. (I have no experience/projects in react or backend python so this worries me).

Any idea what questions might come up? / what to expect?

[keen wing]

Hello I new start python

[near ocean]

an internship huh?

well for react you should be familiar with the framework, how components work, how state works, how context works, how to lift state up, how to pass parameters to children, etc

if you know a bit about redux thats great

for python im guessing django is the backend

[keen ibex]

yeah

They've seemed to re-iterate that they want me to learn as much as possible during the internship, but i'm still kinda worried

[near ocean]

its an internship so there shouldnt be any hard requirements

[keen ibex]

would you say its worth to learn the stuff they've talked about in the interview? Or refresh some of the things i have on my cv instead

[near ocean]

do both

[keen ibex]

cover all bases, gotcha thanks

[near ocean]

the concepts arent all that hard to understand

implementing them is another thing

[simple skiff]

anyone know the best way to make money when your intermidate in python?

[near ocean]

what does intermediate mean

to you

[simple skiff]

idk ive been doing pytohn for year mostly studying not many projexts

[near ocean]

so what are you familiar with

[simple skiff]

the basics of python some web dev some game dev too

[jaunty mist]

Anyone from India?

Is laptop a necessity for an intern?

[hearty island]

uhhh if it's a well established company they might give you one

like google gives their interns laptops

[ocean ledge]

?? what company doesn't give their employees equipment?

[hearty island]

idk

[wheat hatch]

Very unserious ones. Allowing employees to work on their own computers presents a load of potential security issues

[ocean ledge]

yeah that's what I was thinking

[hearty island]

it's prob a small startup

[ocean ledge]

like what, a 2 week old startup with internships?

[hearty island]

most likely yes

[delicate bane]

[hearty island]

which means other employers won't care unless you do something significant for them

[twin ridge]

Someone from Brazil here? 🙂

[hearty island]

uh no

[twin ridge]

you from?

[hearty island]

US

[twin ridge]

i'm from Curitiba, Brazil

Parana

[wheat hatch]

Had a few friends that was exploited that way. Startup used student labour to effectively eliminate labour costs (you dont always get paid for student internships here)

[twin ridge]

o great, nice to meet you, you work with upwork too?

hmm great idea men

how we can make this too?

[jaunty mist]

@ocean ledge I have like a very old CPU and I am in a big confusion wether to buy a new CPU or laptop
May be in the next 3 month I might get a intern at a near by it company. Idk which one to buy

[hearty island]

@delicate bane i'm in #web-development having the time of my life

[ocean ledge]

are indian startups usually this exploitative?

[hearty island]

yes

even some american startups are too

i didn't get paid for my first internship

[wheat hatch]

Personally I stay the hell away from startups, partly for this reason

[jaunty mist]

I have to pay for mine

[wheat hatch]

Oof, guess we should not complain then

I did mine for free, friend of mine got around 1k euro for his. Never heard of one where you as an intern gotta pay.

[jaunty mist]

They told if u r paying for your college then why not for us we are the one who is going to give industrial exposure

[hearty island]

YOU PAY????

OH HELL NO

NO

THAT IS FRAUD

[jaunty mist]

Yes I pay 11k inr for 3 months

[hearty island]

oops sorry i'm caps

[wheat hatch]

Yeah except you do labour for em 😂

[hearty island]

sorry didn't mean to scream don't mute me

[wheat hatch]

Most interns are put on some task that the company want done but dont have the time or money to spare

It is effectively work

[true harness]

lmfao what, you're paying the company to work for them??

[hearty island]

bro that's hella fraud

[jaunty mist]

It's scam but what can I do. I am not from world class college I am a student from a third grade univ with average marks

[hearty island]

sue the company you'll make millions

[true harness]

uhh, don't work for them lol

[hearty island]

sue them and demand compensation

or just don't work for them

[wheat hatch]

Where is this btw???

[jaunty mist]

@true harness where can I get intern then I almost send my resume for 28 co.pany none of them responds

[hearty island]

yeah what's the name of the company

[wheat hatch]

Covid and the recession is prolly why you dont get responses.

[hearty island]

don't get discouraged by no response

i sent like 300 applications before i got the textron internship

[near ocean]

bruh 28 companies is nothing

[robust raptor]

I am

[near ocean]

are you seriously paying because 28 companies didnt get back to you?

[robust raptor]

But I'm a student lol

[jaunty mist]

Btw should I buy a laptop or desktop I am interested in data science

@near ocean yes

[wheat hatch]

Just get whatever

[hearty island]

quit the job

[jaunty mist]

Like there are many companies that don't even takes intern

[hearty island]

make projects

[wheat hatch]

Depending on what data you work with you might need more or less computing power

[robust raptor]

Which part of the country @jaunty mist

[hearty island]

make hella good projects

and read about algos/ data structures

[jaunty mist]

@robust raptor Tamil nadu

[hearty island]

then get a job as SWE

[robust raptor]

West Bengal

[robust raptor]

Where you working

[jaunty mist]

I am a student

Third year

[robust raptor]

I'm planning on interning in wipro

This summer

[jaunty mist]

Me too

[robust raptor]

Are you from Chennai?

[jaunty mist]

@robust raptor how did you get in vibro

@robust raptor yes

[robust raptor]

Kolkata

Well I haven't but it's not that hard I'm pretty sure I will

Ask your parents if they know anyone

Who works in tech companies

They can recommend you

Or find someone family, friend etc.

[jaunty mist]

I am in a dilemma wether I should build a CPU or buy a laptop

[robust raptor]

Well how much does the latter cost

[jaunty mist]

May be 60k inr

[robust raptor]

Do you need a portable device

[jaunty mist]

Idk

Does all the intern need a laptop?

[robust raptor]

I guess

[jaunty mist]

I don't have one

[robust raptor]

You should carry your own

But I'm pretty sure it's not a requirement

See you can get decent laptops under 60k

Check on Amazon

They have sale on electronics

When are you planning to intern?

May or June

[jaunty mist]

June

[robust raptor]

That's a long time

I recommend a laptop if you aren't doing any large projects

If you're a hard coder and just works on your programming skills for coding interviews

[jaunty mist]

@wheat hatch where can I learn python effeciently?

[robust raptor]

If you're designing something any idea will work well

[robust raptor]

Yes

It's very easy

I'm sure you know C++

By now

[jaunty mist]

Yes

[hearty island]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[hearty island]

ta da

[wheat hatch]

This is a great place. Just tinker with it and ask questions when you do t understand

[robust raptor]

You already have a background in C

So many apps work on C javascript objective c

[jaunty mist]

I am in to data science

[robust raptor]

So you already have taken care of learning a very difficult language

[robust raptor]

If you want to learn python it won't take more than 6 months

[jaunty mist]

Ok

I will try

[robust raptor]

Do you know a bit java

[jaunty mist]

@robust raptor yes

[robust raptor]

I think learning javascript is better

[jaunty mist]

A bit

[robust raptor]

It is the most popular language rn and especially helpful in data science

[true harness]

javascript is helpful for data science?

[robust raptor]

It is but it's difficult to master for beginners

I mean it's a lightweight scripting language but it has so many uses in all fields of CS hence increased popularity, plus it also has a lot of useful frameworks and libs to choose from.... although I'm no expert I just know Java and a bit of C and C++

I'm trying my hand at competitive programming so I can solve problem and develop algos more efficiently and faster...

[hearty island]

make projectssss

join the dark side

[robust raptor]

I already have

I'm working on a game on unity with my classmates at uni

[hearty island]

very good

[robust raptor]

I want to use unreal but my laptop won't be able to handle it

[wheat hatch]

Useful for web based data collection yeah

[near ocean]

Like what

Pretty sure you can do anything you can with js with python instead

[marsh wind]

meh

[wheat hatch]

You can use a screwdriver to hammer a nail if you use enough force and violence. What is your point?

[marsh wind]

being in DS position with lot of other data scientists and after applying to a lot of DS positions before landing this I'd say js is so minor point that I would not recommend learning it for DS

so it's OK if you already know JS from you past experience/projects

but I would not learn js for DS

[wheat hatch]

Was not replying to your comment mate

[marsh wind]

neither was I heh
was replying to the guy who anked about js and DS initially

[hearty island]

is that you donkeyman

[torpid totem]

@hearty island i decided to give up on the text book and just start camping sololearn lol

[hearty island]

what the hell is that

[torpid totem]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources

[torpid totem]

check it out @hearty island

[hearty island]

eh

automate the boring stuff is better

[torpid totem]

i was reading the python brain friendly guide

[hearty island]

hey i mean

[torpid totem]

"head first python, a brain-friendly guide"

[hearty island]

whatever floats your boat kiddo

[torpid totem]

after chapter 6 i was like idk forget this

[hearty island]

yeah i don't really enjoy just reading books for no reason

like there are so many machine learning books that i read the first couple of chapters of and never touch agian

probably why i'm so bad at ML

lol

[torpid totem]

i mean dont get me wrong i enjoy reading and would love to be able to read some books that give greaat python knowledge, especially for a beginner like me

but im like bro i gotta learn how to code too lol

[hearty island]

the only way you learn it is if you use it

so like if you wanna learn flask build a web app

[torpid totem]

ye ngl i do need to code, but i wanna have more background

idk a tutorial or two ya know and a textbook then free reign and code 4 life

[hearty island]

yeah until you run out of ideas or end up at a good company

[torpid totem]

hey man im trying to start small

just end up at a decent company

will i be there long? no.

what will my weekends look like? Runescape & gym

[hearty island]

okie

[ocean ledge]

never pay to work, that is a scam and any company that gives you that "exposure" is going to be a joke anyway, and a blight on your resume

[ocean ledge]

i didn't know there are unpaid tech internships in the us

[hearty island]

dude they are ass

never work for free

[jaunty mist]

It's common in India to pay by exposure

[ocean ledge]

wut

[hearty island]

dude that's hella fraud

[ocean ledge]

you guys even scam each other

don't pay for a job

plain and simple

[hearty island]

pls don't

[jaunty mist]

Overpopulation is the issue

[hearty island]

just do projects on your own

[ocean ledge]

exposure doesn't mean shit unless they have a good tech stack and best practices

[torpid totem]

all im saying is

im tryina learn python and absorb it

[ocean ledge]

otherwise you've wasted your time and money

[hearty island]

then make projects lmao

[torpid totem]

might sleep with a textbook tonight so i can absorb it

[hearty island]

osmosis

[jaunty mist]

@ocean ledge are you from usa ?

[torpid totem]

i know lmfao

[hearty island]

should i make a webapp for hosting internships too

idk

[jaunty mist]

I think of either buying a laptop or PC
I have a very old PC i3 3220 which cannot be used for deep learning or machine learning

[hearty island]

@ocean ledge there are a lot of desperate high school/college students who want an internship so badly they do it for free

[jaunty mist]

@hearty island that's Soo true

[torpid totem]

apply to ups

it was in C3

C#***

but i got paid real good

[hearty island]

idk c#

[torpid totem]

its like java

[hearty island]

idk java either

lmao