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novel crag
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25kper year*

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it doesn't change anything, the money doesn't matter but i at least thought i'd get interviewed

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or a thanks but you're way off the mark sort of thing.. just radio silence. i also connect with devs on linkedin in the company

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send messages, just get blanked.

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oh, and the recruiters, i'm chasing them. something is fundamentally wrong with uh, my cv, my github or my qualifications (lack thereof).

jolly furnace
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lmao 40 is nothing

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i had to apply to 80 and get 3 interviews

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just apply to more

vapid jay
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would you recommend just spamming apply literally everywhere then lmao?

neat ingot
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40 is a very small number. Lots of tech companies are hiring virtual too. Apply to dropbox, microsoft, everywhere. They want you, but they don't know you are available.

toxic pawn
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Hoping into this mid discussion, at what level would you say is good enough to get an entry level python job?

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I’m currently trying to use it at work but my position just doesn’t give me opportunity

sterile terrace
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Can u get a job without a bachelor degree?

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But u have programming skills

jolly furnace
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prob

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like i dont think u need to know too much for entry lvl python

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depends on what python is used for

toxic pawn
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I’ve seen listings that just need high school / GED but they want experience @sterile terrace

jolly furnace
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u def needs some knowledge of what ur working with

sterile terrace
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What about getting a certificate?

toxic pawn
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Hm, I have no idea how to define my skill level. I’ve made some simple browser automation and I’ve done some things with pandas

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A cert would help but at the end of the day you need experience I’ve noticed

sterile terrace
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I really don’t want to do 4 year of bachelor 😢

toxic pawn
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You get tons of opportunity through school and make more starting out of you take that route FYI

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Get involved with projects and clubs I’d you go to college

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If you*

sterile terrace
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What about associate degree

golden tundra
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My company is willing to hire people with semi-related degrees at entry level, at least
Like if you were mech E, you could still be hired as a programmer

jolly furnace
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eh during a 4 yr bachelors u can do internships along the way

fallen dew
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1-2 interviews out of 40 applications sounds about normal

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You really just gotta crank em out, with any professional career imo

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Unless you have phenomenal credentials like MIT or some shit you should assume that your resume won’t even be looked at by half of them and maybe 1/3 will actually reply telling you if they’re rejecting or considering

mighty rapids
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I just got a job!

jolly furnace
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cool

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whats the description

vapid jay
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Do you guys think its possible to get a job for a drop out self-taught. I know python and java and c++ well

iron belfry
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scopes of job in python??

iron spear
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data scientist

modest fractal
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@iron belfry Python is used everywhere. Its rumored Tesla's UI was originally TK+Python.

iron belfry
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ynx bro

jolly furnace
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bruh

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seems someone didnt read the channel discription lmao

vapid jay
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anyone here works as a freelance python dev? would like some advice on how to start out as a freelancer

silk sky
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I am 17, I want to add an open source project to my cv and I want it to be at least a decent one. Can anyone experienced in this subject help me? (not to build the project but I would appreciate an advice)

dry sapphire
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and kind of specialised in stuff (ML)

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it's pretty hard TBH

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because there are a lot of low-level devs

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so it's not easy to distinguish yourself

vapid jay
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and kind of specialised in stuff (ML)
@dry sapphire Would you say backend/data mining and all would have more scope than ML?

dry sapphire
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but also probably paying less?

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also I have a question

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how long do you all generally get to respond to a job offer

vapid jay
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but also probably paying less?
@dry sapphire I can deal with that I'm not taking it as a full time thing I'm still in college

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But I've heard people making a good 2000 dollars a month doing dedicated freelancing in python. Dont know how much truth there is to that though

dry sapphire
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but it depends on a lot of things

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how many clients you can get, how much time and energy you have, how talented you are...

vapid jay
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Know any good guide or roadmap kinda thing to get started? :3

dry sapphire
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I just dove into it

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one day when I was bored

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🤷‍♂️

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I will say it's probably quite hard now though

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you might have more luck making personal connections

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rather than going through a portal

vapid jay
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Yeah personal connections isnt an option for me, I'll try my luck on the portals xD thanks tho. It seems competitive but I'll try to make a decent profile and see where it goes

dry sapphire
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it's not competitive because people are good

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but because there are just so many of them

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so distinguishing yourself is hard when there are 20+ responses to each request

mortal hazel
vast shoal
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@dry chasm We do not allow recruitment on this server. Refrain from posting things like this in the future.

amber sapphire
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hello what do you do freelancing in python? Because in something like Js i can see what you can do, but what in python, could anyone tell me?

little reef
amber sapphire
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thank you

shadow moss
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@vapid jay some may be getting 2k but my guess that is top 1%

weary crag
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Hey

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does anyone of you have experience with fiverr or other freelance stuff?

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can you reccomend trying it?

meager moss
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im looking into getting a job in the area of computer science more specifically programming with python. what sort of jobs are available? im trying to look far ahead into my future to consider options and what paths i need to take after this year any advice and comments are appreciated

tardy egret
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Lots of industries use Python. Check out some tech job boards to get some ideas about what you could do with it.

versed pawn
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I am searching for a job that includes programming languages such as c or java. Are there any sorta jobs avaiable?

tardy egret
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Plenty, try googling "java jobs" or "c jobs". I'm guessing that you'll get some decent results.

versed pawn
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what languages are used for coding hardware like cpu's and gpu's?

tardy egret
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Any languages that can access them. What are you wanting to do?

versed pawn
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i am still trying to figure it out

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I heard for video game programming c is the best but java seems interesting too. But I can't decide between video game programming and hardware programming

tardy egret
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Most everything is already running on the CPU. You might look for GLSL bindings to get at the GPU. I've never done that, personally.

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Try both, see what you like

versed pawn
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ok

tardy egret
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I've done both. They're both fun and both difficult.

shadow moss
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Generally companies would prefer to see multiple languages. If you are sole language, generally something like C++/Java/C# goes over better then Python.

fringe furnace
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Any good books that i can use for learning PYTHON (starting coding for first time)

digital fjord
inner wrenBOT
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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources
vapid jay
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@fallen dew how many years worth of accounting experience do you have? If you dont mind me asking ofc. Also I really agree about what you said about the older employees thing lol

fallen dew
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I’ve got about 7-8 years @vapid jay

nocturne spoke
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Hello guys,

I'm a beginner in Python and I'm currently in a retraining , can you advise me on some good resources on python and complete with good pedagogy (including books)

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Okay, I just saw the previous message about ressources 😅

vapid jay
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@fallen dew nicee, are you not a chartered accountant then?

vapid jay
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guys today schools kinda light, no tests, ye

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and then although there is a test tomorrow

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its not important

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also the day after that

fallen dew
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I’m not, I’m in the USA and most people end up getting their CPA license which is USA specific and kinda the holy grail of accounting/probably most similar to being a CA in other countries. I don’t even have that though. I work in internal audit and am a CFE (cert. fraud examiner). I don’t really know any USA people who are Chartered Accountants, but I’m sure there are some

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@vapid jay

vapid jay
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Hey guys I really want to hone my programming skills (Python) and what competitions may I join?

vapid jay
digital garnet
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is there a simple way to do an online activity and get money ( just examples )

vapid jay
digital garnet
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me ?

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@vapid jay

vapid jay
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yes?

digital garnet
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k

true harness
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that's not really an online activity, it's more like an actual job

vapid jay
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Ya fair enough. Quick jobs though.

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But I suppose it is technically a full contract employment

knotty shale
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Are there any software engineers, or similar, here? Just want to ask, what skills do I need to practice? going into uni next year and need to get up to scratch

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I started learning rdbms with SQLite and Microsoft Access, and have very slight knowledge on web dev, c# and mainly know python, but thats about it

tardy egret
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Learn the fundamentals of algorithms and data structures that underlie all languages.

knotty shale
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I presume if i learn those then its more of a case of learning language syntax

tardy egret
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Yes

knotty shale
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Do you know any resources or places to start? Or should i just try and google

tardy egret
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It's been awhile since I had to hit the books on that subject, the bot might know...

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!resources

inner wrenBOT
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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

https://pythondiscord.com/pages/resources
knotty shale
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It all seems a bit overwhelming but ill try and learn it

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will need it lol, thanks for the advice

tardy egret
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No problem, and don't feel bad about being overwhelmed. It's a lot to learn, and none of us was born knowing it.

crisp warren
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this was cross-posted on Reddit but I do need the help, and someone from another server told me to look at Python servers
Springboard Requisite 3 Informational Interviews
Hi, I'm currently in a Springboard Data Analytics Bootcamp and I'm

Tearing. My. Hair. Out. (Okay, maybe not literally but it's still a nuisance).

I need 3 informational interviews from data analysts and this stalking LinkedIn thing? Yeah, not working.

Any advice? It needs to be on the phone or zoom or something, not just written. If it were written, then boom, it's done already.

If it's just stalking/connecting more LinkedIn pages, I'm going to cry

mortal wedge
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Stalking/connecting is one way to make contacts, but it's not very efficient. Do you have any industry contacts?

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Or just know people who know people?

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Any rich people owe you favors? lol

crisp warren
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I have like a few industry contacts from various places. I can ask a friend of a friend for some....and no, no rich people owe me favors 😦

mortal wedge
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I'd reach out to your contacts/friends and see if they know anyone who'd be willing to phone/zoom with you

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That's all you can really do aside from stalking

crisp warren
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yiiiiiikes

mortal wedge
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Otherwise, uhh, you could see if there are any virtual networking/zoom events

crisp warren
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oh yeah, that works too

tardy egret
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Meetups and conferences, too

crisp warren
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searched a bit on eventbrite, found an event for networking (maybe) thank you!

golden tundra
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@knotty shale Software engineer here. I don’t think Python is a super popular language for engineering (it is in data science).
What mattered the most for me was being was having a basic grasp of a variety of concepts and ways to solve problems and developing good coding habits in general

little trellis
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@crisp warren Do they need to be data analysts exactly? I'm a data engineer and would be happy to help out if that counts haha

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Feel free to dm

gloomy quarry
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Are there any legit online platform for freelance Django projects? I tried looking into online sites like freelancer.com, upwork.com, indeed.com, and etc..

I did manage to get hired on a project but its been hard to look for a new project the past days. Any ideas or recommendations to find a Django project? Or is it that hard to find a project these days?

magic crescent
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Even if they don’t need anything special, having on your portfolio can help in the future

gloomy quarry
old bronze
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hey guys i am new here

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hope to get help and help others

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looking forward to a great time

vapid jay
alpine tartan
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@sage quail I have removed your post. #career-advice is not the place for recruitment nor is there a channel for it on this server.

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There are other platforms available

abstract harbor
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hey guys

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I was wondering if anyone knows about software engineering which I'm hoping to seek a career for and currently I'm studying in highschool, but I want to discuss about what I should or shouldn't do

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Is python favored in software engineering? And is an undergraduate degree generally required?

hexed moon
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One, software engineering would eventually be involving more then a single language

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So no language rules them all you don't learn the language you learn the process of writing code to solve your problem in what ever is the best case

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So you pick Java, python or rust even javascript

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At the end of the day as long as you learn enough to start working on code and making things eventually your things get more complex and your understanding expends

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So build projects simple shit, try contributing to opensource, network with people in similar fields of interest and in university itself and you may find gainful employment outside easier then if you don't do any of that

abstract harbor
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Just that I've heard countless times about how computing careers rarely requires a undergraduates/graduate degrees. But that totally makes sense.

hexed moon
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Maybe?

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It's a tool

abstract harbor
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So the basic idea is to understand the logic rather than a syntax or a concept of a specific language?

hexed moon
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Yes

abstract harbor
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Because that's what I've been doing with python.

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Oh i see.

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What languages are most common amongst software development though?

hexed moon
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Eh depends who is the boss and who started the code base

abstract harbor
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I still have years of time left before I either start Undergrads or jump straight into careers.

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So there really isn't a "common" language

hexed moon
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Like I use, go. C#, js and python

abstract harbor
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Oh, are you a software engineer?

hexed moon
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Eh wouldn't call it an engineer

abstract harbor
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Software developer then?

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I feel like they're about the same

hexed moon
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I just maintain and work on a crm that should have been decommissioned

abstract harbor
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Oh for an individual company I'm guessing?

hexed moon
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Yeah

abstract harbor
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Oh that's nice

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What would you say was the most important thing to get this job?

hexed moon
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Connections

abstract harbor
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oo

hexed moon
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They took over the out sourcing of a company I was in for tech support

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I came over trained their staff

abstract harbor
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Yeah?

hexed moon
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They cheaped out at every chance now I am here keeping the tape connected

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The project which I trained people for ended

abstract harbor
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Oh damn

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that's unfortunate

hexed moon
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And I fell into the role cause I was lower value then the original dev company

abstract harbor
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Ohh, that doesn't sound too good

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Are you enjoying the job though?

hexed moon
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Eh, it pays the bills and helps me maintain my investments growth so eh it's fine

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Could be better but can't complain.

abstract harbor
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ahhh I guess one bird in your hand is worth more than two on the branches

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Well thanks for the advice :D

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I hope for the best of luck to you!

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Enjoy your day/night

sage quail
golden tundra
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@abstract harbor I’m a software engineer. I frankly wouldn’t say it rarely requires an undergrad degree

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It’s not absolutely required to learn the skill set and it’s a lot more likely that you can get a software engineering job without a degree than some other fields

abstract harbor
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Oh right, so its something doable, would you encourage it?

golden tundra
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But an undergrad degree or being in the process of getting one still tends to help
A lot of CS jobs still want a relevant degree
When you think about it, someone without a degree is very much an unknown quantity and unless they have an extensive portfolio/history, it’s hard to know their skill level

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But a portfolio takes time to look at and test and run too

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If someone has a CS degree from a reputable school (by which I just mean a school that’s known to not be a scam, a state school or something counts, I don’t mean it has to be Carnegie Mellon), then you can assume they probably studied basics, Data Structures and Algorithms, some sort of hardware/architecture course, and enough other courses that they have a decent baseline

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Whether they picked up enough from their studies is another question entirely, but that’s where technical interviews come in

abstract harbor
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Ohh right, that's fair

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Also, If you could, what would you recommend me do as a high school student currently studying for the IGCSES. I've covered the whole computer science syllabus required and I'm far ahead of the class as the syllabus doesn't really require for much programming. I've successfully gone through asynchronous programming, discord.py library, pygame and such.

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I'm trying to learn JAVA right now but my teachers discouraged it as they don't want me get confused with syntax.

golden tundra
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I mean to some extent, it’s not fair, because college is expensive and it’s hard to put that kind of burden of entry, but it does make sense, unfortunately
Recruiters simply don’t have time to go through every candidate’s Github account and download the project and see if it runs

abstract harbor
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Yeah totally

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That is sensible and I guess a college degree comes in handy to clarify how this person can perform.

golden tundra
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I mean, I like Java as a language after Python and a lang to learn data structures in, but it does have a fairly different syntax

abstract harbor
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Also the education system in where I live consumes 14 years just to reach the ungrad course, time is something thats not on my side, plus, I don't really want to be old when i start working. But i guess it seems to be the better path.

abstract harbor
golden tundra
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If there’s the potential that you’d mix it up on a test or something, especially a conceptual error (Java and Python have different variable scoping, etc), I’d say to wait until after you’re finished with your current course. Honestly, unless you’ve been working on it for a few years, I doubt you’re done with Python.

abstract harbor
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I just felt that JAVA would extend my knowledge for OOP

golden tundra
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I would really just advise trying to get more advanced in those libraries, build more games, etc

abstract harbor
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which i heard is quite the gold

abstract harbor
golden tundra
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I’m very much an OOP programmer and my favorite language is Java

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But I do think you want to be advanced in one lang before picking up another

abstract harbor
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Oh thats understandable

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java seems very capable with its OOP aspects

abstract harbor
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Also, what do you think of the AI aspects of CS?

golden tundra
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For instance, have you done recursion?

abstract harbor
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No i have not

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Is that something related to python?

golden tundra
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It’s a basic concept of programming in general

abstract harbor
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Oh i'm usually very bad with practical terms

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What does it mean?

golden tundra
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You’re going to want to know recursion before any kind of tree stuff too

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Very basic definition is a function calling itself
Happens a lot by accident but good recursion is intentional and has stop conditions, etc
Anyways, can’t talk anymore, have to go to my job

abstract harbor
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Ahh alright

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Have a good one!

lucid heart
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Who has already met Redward? 😉

vast shoal
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@lucid heart If you want to post random videos, please do so in the off-topic channels. This is a channel for Python career discussions.

wet ibex
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i mean posting random vids are against ot etiquette

golden tundra
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Side note: @abstract harbor - I gave my opinion based on the US, since you’ve now said IGCSES and “14 years to reach undergrad,” I can assume you’re not USA, you’re better off getting advice from someone in your country

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Also, what country is this

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14 years to reach undergrad? I’m assuming from your current point in high school?

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If you mean from kindergarten, I think most countries take around that time though, it’s not that weird

errant flint
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Software Development/ Game Development/ website Development?

fallen dew
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I was wondering the same thing, Rebel lol

viral oriole
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h

vapid jay
viral oriole
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hi , i have plenty of experience with python but most of it isnt practical , is there a site where i can sharpen my problem solvong skills? it would be very nice if the site services would be free, im searching for something like tryhackme.com

inner wrenBOT
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:x: According to my records, this user already has a mute infraction. See infraction #22754.

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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied mute to @vapid jay until 2020-12-03 21:54 (9 minutes and 59 seconds) (reason: duplicates rule: sent 4 duplicated messages in 10s).

twilit heart
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hello

viral oriole
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hi

onyx ledge
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im making my first ai to solve shidoku(4x4 soduko) and im hard coding it, is that a good start to get into the world of ai?

charred idol
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@viral oriole you could try codewars

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There is also edabit

vapid jay
abstract harbor
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Yeah I suppose thats fair

golden tundra
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Okay
Dumb question
Do the people who live there still mostly call it Burma? I’ve pretty much always called it Myanmar

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Anyways, I think it’s obvious I can’t speak to how the tech industry works in your country regardless

abstract harbor
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Oh, I'm pretty surprised that you know about my country 🤣, so we don't really have a common term, some calls it Burma some calls it Myanmar but they still mean the same thing.

abstract harbor
golden tundra
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So unless you’re trying to eventually become employed in the US, my advice is pretty much useless

abstract harbor
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Yep

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I'm hoping to be employed somewhere in the US

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Either get into AI or game development

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I'm planning to take an undergraduate course in Australia though, it's less costly.

golden tundra
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I mean, I am also Asian
That helps a lot in terms of knowing Asian countries
Also, one of my middle school friends was from Myanmar

abstract harbor
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Ohh that's nice

golden tundra
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Anyways, game development is super competitive and it’s known for often having a culture of overwork for its devs

abstract harbor
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Yeah, some people get offended by the word Burma sometimes, Myanmar is probably the more preferred term.

abstract harbor
golden tundra
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AI is big right now, but I think the bottom of the market might fall out at some point

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In the US at least. Some studios are infamous for it and it’s easier to get away with because video game programming jobs are highly in demand and the employees are often really passionate about the industry, so they might willingly overwork initially and then they or others will question their passion if they don’t keep doing it

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US doesn’t always have the healthiest work culture

versed pawn
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is microsoft based on c++

golden tundra
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Industries that sound like a “dream job” (like a lot of creative industries) get a lot of the “if you’re aren’t willing to put in crazy hours, you don’t care enough.”

abstract harbor
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Oh damn, and the game development industry is infamous for it I see, but for AI, i thought it was going up, the demand for it at least?

golden tundra
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You probably want to talk to actual AI devs to get a better idea of the industry

abstract harbor
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Yeah, I'll definitely try to

golden tundra
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So you know the dot com boom where the internet and tech was booming around the beginning of the century and then people realized it was a little overhyped and then the market crashed?

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I don’t know, but the way people talk about AI? I suspect that might happen at some point
Of course, even if I’m correct, that might not be for ages

abstract harbor
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I still got a lot more years before I decide which major I'd take, oh yeah, I did hear about the dot com boom but I never knew the market crashed after

golden tundra
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My understanding is this caused a minor recession

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But economics was never my strongest point.

abstract harbor
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Ehh its not mine either

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Yeah, and also, would it be probably that jobs like software development or software engineering would get automated?

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Or ig, slowly go down in demand?

golden tundra
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I don’t think so

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Demand might go down

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But I don’t think you can truly automate programming

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Unless you build intelligent AIs that can can effectively mimic the human mind

abstract harbor
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I read this article about how close we are to Automating development close to human intellect and It was speculating that this might replace most CS jobs

abstract harbor
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I feel like even if an algorithm is prepared to suffice for the best outcomes of every problems, humans might still have the upperhand due to our thinking not really bound by any rules

golden tundra
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Computers are very literal minded and strict
Good coding requires a lot of flexibility and problem solving skills and some creative thinking, attention to detail and attention to good practice.
One of the parts of my job I like is trying to come up with clever ways to solve problems

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Computers can’t be clever

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They could have a db storing solutions to problems, but

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What happens when the problem is different? What if it’s two problems mashed together

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Unless AI is a lot better than I think it is, they can’t problem solve right

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One of my friends is in AI and I’m given to understand a lot of AI is frankly guesswork

abstract harbor
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Oh dam, so that's nowhere close to mimicking human mind

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Oh and btw, software engineering, it seems like a very broad term, but, what do software engineers really do in real jobs?

golden tundra
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Well
Let me clarify
My understanding is that trying to improve AIs is a lot of guesswork
Educated guesswork, but still like
“Yeah, this neural net wasn’t giving us good enough results, so we ran it through the neural net again, and the results were better.”

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“So just run it through the neural net twice for good results.”

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AI is very much not my area of expertise though

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I hate math and AI involves crap like matrix calculations

abstract harbor
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I feel like generally saving solutions to problems would ruin the basic idea of AI

crude crown
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in general it's like that with the deep learning trend

abstract harbor
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Yeah, the popular machine learning and whatnot

golden tundra
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Hilariously enough though

crude crown
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the "throw things at the wall" approach

golden tundra
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I was actually very close to getting a machine learning job

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I was a finalist

abstract harbor
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oh yeah?

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What happened?

golden tundra
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Which is really hilarious since I hate math

abstract harbor
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yeah, I'm not the best with math either, I don't dislike it though

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my understanding was that its an essential element to programming

golden tundra
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HAHAH no

abstract harbor
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WAIT

golden tundra
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You don’t even need fcking calculus

abstract harbor
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Unless you're trying to recreate real world motion in a game

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TRUE

golden tundra
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Data science requires more calculations

abstract harbor
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Apparently high paying AI jobs require Linear algebra, abstract Math and extended calculus, that's a whole lot

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Oo Data Science, that's pretty popular within the python community

golden tundra
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But otherwise, I think the worst I’ve done is like
Weird summations for complexity analysis

abstract harbor
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Not sure but I heard python is one of the best languages for data science algorithms or AI

golden tundra
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Python’s known as a good data science language because it’s fast when it comes to data

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One of my coworkers uses Pandas pretty regularly, I think
I mostly use it for CSV processing

abstract harbor
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oh, so you'd have to use different languages for different aspects of something to get the best out of it

ocean ledge
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python isn't fast when it comes to data

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at all

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it's used in data science because 1) there are a ton of libraries, 2) it interfaces well with actual numerical libraries people wrote in actually fast languages, and 3) most data scientists were people who came from academic backgrounds, and care moreso about the data than the software engineering principles behind it

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@abstract harbor its not so much that high paying AI jobs requires math, it just happens that some of the messy machine learning work done at companies are still based on current research trends-- reading those papers and extracting insights from them can be difficult without a mathematical background

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there are plenty of software engineers that know how to use a spark-ml library or sklearn by reading a tutorial who have no idea what linear regression is but use it anyway-- it doesn't mean they are necessarily preferred

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if you have no mathematical background however, i would probably recommend not going into data science-- while you may not ever have to compute an integral directly, you may have to understand why certain algorithms work, which requires some finesse

abstract harbor
ocean ledge
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it depends on your strengths-- are you an existing software engineer? what was your major in college? are you interested in understanding a subcategory of data?

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have you tried picking up a book on machine learning algorithms and try to go through them? implement them?

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don't think about a career choice until you build an interest in the thing you want to do

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it's like premature optimization in CS-- don't do it

abstract harbor
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Oh well, I'm still a highschool student, I haven't really gone into machine learning or artificial intelligence so i know very little. I suppose I could come up to a decision after trying almost most of everything.

golden tundra
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Welp, I was told Python was fast for data in college, I just never really questioned it cause data science isn’t really my thing

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I’m assuming you’re more of a data person than I am, so I stand corrected

static fossil
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I’m a first year university student. I have the basics of python down but not much more than that. I’d really like to get a job in tech this upcoming summer. Any advice? Is there something I can learn within the next few months (I don’t mind putting in work on it every single day) to make me more competitive?

abstract harbor
# static fossil I’m a first year university student. I have the basics of python down but not mu...

Personally speaking, I too was learning basic python a few months ago, but, venturing into libraries like discord.py(programming a d.py bot), pygame, django(writing webpages), and butterflysoup(webscraping) taught me a lot of things I never knew I needed to understand. Discord.py for instance, taught me a lot about asynchronous programming and object oriented programming, and functions and classes in-depth, whilst pygame taught me about applying real world maths and several problem solving techniques in a regular basis. Some of these libraries might not really be what you need so try to researching about most of them and just start working.
Thing about discord.py is that I'm a huge fan of discord, plus i have a handful of servers I operate and programming my own bot was excellent for them. Hope it was helpful.

static fossil
abstract harbor
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Some jobs do require learning new languages so just be ready for it.

static fossil
# abstract harbor Some jobs do require learning new languages so just be ready for it.

Yeah. I’ve heard it’s easier to pick up other languages once you have a really solid foundation with Python so it makes sense to know python well rather than 5 languages superficially. Thanks for the help! I’ll definitely check out and play around with those python modules. Would you recommend I go read the documentation and build projects or get a base from some online tutorial

abstract harbor
# static fossil Yeah. I’ve heard it’s easier to pick up other languages once you have a really s...

It would depend on how well you learn something-- If you can scan through the documentation and absorb all the required information-- then I say go through the documentation, play around with the classes and methods of the corresponding library. Or if you're much of a vocal and visual leaner, go through youtube tutorials.

I would also recommend you visiting simple github repositories on related subjects and learn how the authors managed to program what they wanted. The main purpose of this is that sometimes you may not be able to come up with a method to do something, seeking help from other people and reading the repositories will guide you through instances like this. Make sure to try to make your own project at the end of the day since that is the only way I learnt the libraries properly. I'm also sure you can seek help with anything related to python here, just ask a question in the corresponding channel.

static fossil
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I will set all that up and get started!! Again, thanks for the help. I really appreciate it and it goes a long way.

abstract harbor
brazen heron
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focus python and find a niche theres tons of contract work if you know where to look

uncut nova
ivory robin
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when you say look at the libraries in python do you mean n their website? @abstract harbor

night glen
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i want to learn coding

abstract harbor
flat linden
cursive wigeon
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learn coding you should then

grave oriole
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What thing is most effective in CV (resume) for placement Purpose.

cunning hare
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creating small and effective projects ..and adding it to resume..

vapid parcel
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Hi, can a developer get a job without any degree/diploma/certificate?

brazen dirge
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Hey Guys, I have no experience in Django but I know flask works can I shift my project from flask to django, the deadline is day after tomorrow.
The mini Project is A website which should use SQL database and perform some crud operations.

viral oriole
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first of all , what do you want ot do? password cracking? wifi hacking? sql injections? or... there are a lot of fields of studies that you can go and pour days and months in , but as a basic , learn to eork with kali linux , earn basic interactions with terminal , buy some books about kali linux like "kali linux revealed" and then dive into the madness that is called getting fammilier with tools , kali has almost the best tools available for any kind of hacking , penetration? he has your back , finding backdoors? he has your back , so your best bet is to learn the kali linux and it's tools , then , you can pick a course , get a certificate and go apply for a job! if you are fast enuogh , it may take a year or less , but if you have a job , it maye take more , but try to always keep your flow ,thats all i know , there are other ways but this is the easiest i know , and the most important one , LEARN TO SEARCH!!

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clear enough?

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i think i was clear , some mistypes here and there but i dont think its unreadable

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?

vapid parcel
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Can a self-taught developer get a job without any degree/diploma/certificate?

vapid jay
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most programming jobs dont require a degree, although if you have the chance to get a degree/diploma/certificate id get one as there is no downside of it, you'll probably even get more job oppurtunities but yes you can get a good job as a self-taught developer without a degree

spare aurora
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1st learn network hacking

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and then do experiments with pre-made applications like MetaSploitframework

vapid parcel
vapid jay
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np

cloud wolf
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Any indian entrepreneur?

olive sphinx
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I could create this really long post but I'll try to tl;dr it and ask, do you all know of any career consultants that are knowledgeable in the software/data science/machine learning/I/T industry? I ask for obvious reasons, thinking about switching careers (from chemical engineering) to something related to programming and I really could use some advice about what direction to head, and how to plan it out.

I mention career consultants because I'd be willing to pay for advice and I won't want to clog up this channel nor bore you all with my questions. But if you don't mind me boring you I'll be happy to ask a bunch of questions here. 🙂

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I've always enjoyed programming, databases, custom applications (within the MS Office realm) but I've never been trained to code, per say, beyond learning what a bubble sort is when I took Fortran in college (which should give you an idea of how old I am). Fact is I think I have the right mind for it; people were coming to me for help with programming while I was in college. So I think I could be good. But there's data science, machine learning, full stack development, and I just don't know what direction to take.

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OK, that's more clogging than desired lol. I appreciate you guys' help!

tardy egret
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Is there a bridge you can build between chemical and software engineering? Say, doing more programming-related work in your current chem eng job, or finding a programming job that relates to or uses your chem eng knowledge? I think, later in your career (like me), you'll probably have more luck leveraging your previous experience than in trying to be a generalist. But I'm not a career coach, so grain of salt.

olive sphinx
# tardy egret Is there a bridge you can build between chemical and software engineering? Say,...

I would LOVE to merge the two. I'm currently out of work, have been for the past seven months. I think the industry is picking up but I'm more concerned about the future than the present. Yeah, I'll find a job in the next month or two most likely, but a year down the road there will be another layoff and I'll probably get caught up in it. So I want to exit the oil and gas industry altogether if possible. That being said, I've come to understand that when you don't have a CS degree and/or experience, getting involved in open-source projects and creating your own portfolio of programs/applications is a good way to build a resume. So I was thinking about creating free calculational tools (in python, as I keep hearing that's a good one to learn) for engineers in the oil and gas industry. It would be fun and something I know well. But I don't think knowing python well enough to create a 3-phase separator sizing program (most folks just use Excel) would get me into a career in software engineering. And I couldn't charge for it as there's already plenty of free websites, spreadsheets, etc. out there that do the same thing. Maybe I could make it better somehow. But I digress. I'm in the Denver area. Seems to be good jobs out there but without the resume I won't get an interview. It's all interesting to me, the field of software development, data mining, machine learning, I/T in general. I just need to pick a path but I need help determining that path from someone who's in the industry, I think?

tardy egret
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Hang on, having trouble formulating what I want to say 🙂 . (Also, short meeting is about to happen)

olive sphinx
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It's all good my friend. I appreciate whatever advice you can give me. Just please tag me if you respond? I have some errands to run myself so I'll be offline for a few hours.

vapid jay
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Hey

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Guys

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What's going on

tardy egret
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Working, making more coffee, apparently giving career advice. You?

vapid jay
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Just studying YKS

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For a bachelor's degree, when I apply to a university in computer engineering in the USA, is it important if I know the code?

tardy egret
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Starting out? Probably not, but it would be an advantage

vapid jay
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I'm not live in America, is it an advantage of any scholarship?

tardy egret
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I don't know, it's been a lot time since I dealt with university

vapid jay
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I know python, html-5 and css still learning,

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@tardy egret u working in USA?

tardy egret
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Yes

vapid jay
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Whic universities are ussually people prefer for computer sciene?

tardy egret
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Hard to say, it depends on who's hiring you. MIT, Carnegie-Mellon, Stanford are a few that stand out in my mind.

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@olive sphinx I suppose instead of trying to give you generic advice about "all employers", I'll just speak from my POV and experience. I'm a generalist and I tend to hire generalists. I will hire someone who has passion for what they do or for what we ("the company") do over someone who is more knowledgeable or skillful but doesn't give a rat's ass. A willingness to learn and improve is important to me. I'd hire an enthusiastic newbie. BUT at the same time, I want to see that they're good raw material. Contribute to or start your own open source projects and take the time to polish the code. Don't be the smartest guy in the room (but you're old enough to know that).

vapid jay
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@tardy egret what about BROWN?

tardy egret
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Yes, that's a well known one

vapid jay
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Hello!

tardy egret
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Hey

vapid jay
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What's that mean

fallen dew
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If you have a degree from MIT you can get a job wherever you want lol

olive sphinx
olive sphinx
# tardy egret Hard to say, it depends on who's hiring you. MIT, Carnegie-Mellon, Stanford are...

Thank you for your insight. A long time ago I realized what drives me is two things, learning new things (which translates to me being able to do my job better) and teaching what I know to others. I get a lot of satisfaction out of seeing someone take something new and apply it successfully. So I do appreciate what you say. My issue is, of course, getting a resume that would interest someone like you. You wouldn't happen to be in the Denver-metro area, would you?

tardy egret
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I'm not, but my employer is. Small world.

vapid jay
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@olive sphinx Yes, i thing it will helo me. I wanna ask how was sat point of him?

shadow moss
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Kayla unless you are going to premier university for CS, where your degree is fro, will mostly be neutral

true harness
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top colleges are what everyone knows about, but there are plenty of good colleges with cs programs

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just need to do research

shadow moss
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But generally state tech schools are seen as better then non tech school

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Sure

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generally it's "Ivy League Tech schools (MIT, Caltech, others)" >>>>>>>>> "Tech schools (Georgia Tech and like)" >>> "Generic State/Private school" >>>> "For profit university (Strayer/DeVry/University of Phoenix)"""

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However, you might find a certain job might have preferences, like hiring manager will prefer candidates from "X" because they like football team, or they graduate from that school or any reason you have zero control over

vapid jay
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hello anyone here?

zinc delta
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just gonna use criteria

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bla 1

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bla 2

olive sphinx
indigo iris
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Hi, what's the Deal for this channel ?

fallen dew
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To talk about careers?

tacit steeple
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Any Cali Res remote workers (for out of state work) here? Can I DM?

vapid jay
tacit steeple
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modern intelligence includes emotional intelligence IMO

true harness
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usually what that means is surround yourself with people to learn from

tacit steeple
vapid jay
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gotchu

tacit steeple
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but especially important not to be a dick if you're not the smartest in the room hoho

vapid jay
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haha

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there's an advantage for people who are not the smartest person in the room but are a dick

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for like short term

tacit steeple
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yeah well everyone in this discord's job is to automate away bad attitude managers so whatever

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i see it as a plus!

vapid jay
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what do you see as a plus?

tacit steeple
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let them voluntarily seat themselves in middle management we'll come for their asses

tacit steeple
vapid jay
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nice one

tardy egret
vapid jay
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Heyy, if you use open source materials or only download materials legally does it still count as plagiarism?

tardy egret
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If you're passing it off as your work, yes

vapid jay
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I know that

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But without passing it as ur work

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Like giving the writer or the author name

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With the stuff I took

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Lol, nvm

ocean ledge
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@tardy egret ding ding this guy gets it

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also, if you think you're the smartest guy in the room you're not the smartest guy in the room

tardy egret
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Yeah, Dunning-Kruger and whatnot

distant crow
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if I'm not the smartest guy in the room, things would get awkward, as I am currently alone in the room

tardy egret
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That's, uhh...that's an edge case

unique dawn
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Sorry wrong channel i just noticed, thank you.

last surge
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Hey guys

I had an interview today for a back-end Django dev position and it went well. The next step is they want me to do a "coding test". I am given 7 days to complete the coding test. I asked how long it usually takes and she said 2-3 days for a senior and 5 days for a junior (i assume 8 hour days).

Are 40 hour coding tests normal for these types of positions? It seems like a real position but wondering if there is anything I should be cautious about? I'm pretty confident going into the test as I know Django rather well.

Any other tips are appreciated!

wispy mica
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anyone know what algorithms to expect in a live coding data engineer interview?

ocean ledge
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otherwise, i wouldn't put the time to do it. if you still want to do it, work on it for ~3-4 hours if you'd like, then just say in the submission that this is the work you can do in a short timeframe

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the longest coding assignment i was ever given was perhaps 12 hours long, for a well-known hedge fund-- i didn't get the particular job, which was particularly crushing considering i spent what i thought already was an absurd amount of time for a position

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if they ask you to do absurdly long coding tests just to have the chance to interview more for the job, you should take that as a red flag about what they might demand from you ONCE you get the job

last surge
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@ocean ledge thank you for the detailed response. I am reading good things about the company on glassdoor and the girl who did the interview knew what she was doing - very technical and confident.

I hope that i misunderstood the terms of the coding test and that it is actually 7 days to comlete but is only 6-8 hours total work

chilly patio
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Which are good job sites for FullStack or Frontend dev. ?

rotund swallow
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hey guys,

i have question. when writing our resume, what do you think will be better, brag our accomplishment, or humble ourselves?

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seems like bragging ourselves put a great weight in our resume and greater expectation from other party is it

vapid jay
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i can only add: underline key requirements of the company that you bring to the table e. g. if they are looking for someone with lots of Angular experience, make sure Angular makes it as a key element. Everything else that isn't of particular importance to the company, add it but don't go much into detail of why you love SCRUM so much. Depending on the company they are either looking for someone who will fit their team well or somebody who has a shit ton of experience in dealing with their particular problems

golden tundra
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Wholeheartedly agree with functor. A coding test that’s expected to take more than a day cumulatively is insane

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I wonder if she means most people come back to it and do it in multiple chunks to check their work, reconsider things, just do in their spare time

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Also, doesn’t that mean the coding problem can clearly be done in chunks though and not all at once? They can’t be expecting five continuous days, no sleep. That means a sneak peek before starting shouldn’t be a problem, I would think
So if you already have the problem, I suggest you just look at it and see hard it looks to you.
If it actually looks like it could take 5 full work days, I think they might be trying to get you to do free work or something

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I think most of my coding tests have been in the 1.5-2 hours ballpark (although some companies have given me multiple tests), but most of those are automated rather than being given a design and task, which is what yours sounds like it’d be @last surge

last surge
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@golden tundra yeah I'm going to tell them I'm not interested if it is more than 4-6 hours of total work

uncut nova
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I got a coding test for 2 days, they did want me to do the whole project for them. I managed to get done only 70% of it and ended up didn't get the job

weary forge
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damn, that's rough @uncut nova

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what was the project?

fickle heart
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Hey guys, I am very curious about learning all sort of thing but the problem I'm facing is that I'm just hoping from one thing to another for example I learned angular then vuejs and explore jamstack (gatsby) but then I learned django and I loved it, what should I do is it okay to be a fullstack developer and as I not secured any job in front-end??

vapid jay
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Do you guys recommend I just take what i know and try working my way into a career with computer science or would it be more beneficial to go back to college and get my education. I live in the states and it's expensive commie propaganda but if it'd pay off in the long run I think I'd enjoy going a college route

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I just don't know how feasible finding actual work is

sterile vault
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A weird question. What do you use to make resume/CV pdf?
I know about various online constructors, but it may not have the structure you want, and also I want to have a version in local language

little harness
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Latex

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You can just grab a nice template on overleaf

sterile vault
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Ouch. I've heard good things about latex, but never tried to get into it, since it seems to have quite a difficulty curve

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But thanks, I'll check it out!

uncut nova
# weary forge what was the project?

It's to build an internal approval tool for the company: 1: Design a SQL DB that has 3 tables (with specific details on what in each table). Then perform a bunch of queries to get information from the joined tables. 2. Write Python back end do replicate the database to store data in data structure instead of MySQL. Then perform 6 steps (with given details on each) to instantizing the data, and have the approvals done while being sure errors are checked. In this batch there's also a need to look up a graph to get data for the next step. 3. Build a React front end to visualize the data, and perform a few actions (toggle info on click etc..) using React and not any other javascript library.

vapid jay
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hey, do i need a degree in computer science to get a good job? Is a degree sort of a boost compared to a non degree job?

hallow juniper
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Are web development positions at game developer companies generally subject to the high hours, lower pay stuff that people talk about at those companies?

ancient cove
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Should I try to memorize all cs terms

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Because I could always Google but googing doesn't always give the best explanations

sterile vault
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Okay, 1 - overleaf is cool and much better than online constructors
2 - LATEX is hard and I had no idea what I was doing. At least it worked out in the end
Thanks to the one who recommended it!

vapid jay
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are there any good youtube tutorials on data-science ?

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or should i opt to buy a course on udemy ?

vapid jay
true harness
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hm

grand glacier
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How is python useful for a law student? Have anyone of you shifted their career from an Arts/Humanities background to tech?

tall igloo
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Given how laborious the legal sector is, I'd imagine plenty of automation is in need?

grand glacier
tall igloo
grand glacier
tall igloo
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Of course I’d like them to use NLP for discovery and so

grand glacier
tall igloo
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It's more like I'm in the tech industry and on many different reasons we work together. As in, sometimes we get IT outsource requirements, but most of the time it's about us needing their services

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As we work with different law firms for different purposes, I got to see how different size and legacy impact the adoption

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In general, the older a firm is, the harder it is to adapt. Not just tech wise it's on-premise heavy, but also mentality. Lawyers by training are very risk-averse, and they are dealing with extremely sensitive documents. And given that nature, it's hard enough to adapt simple stuff. AI adoption would most likely be built in on some other programs they use

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The ones that are trying to adopt are the new firms who are just like startup. Usually founded by partners of 30-40 years old

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The ones that are small yet still have legacy don't have resources nor mentality for it

shadow moss
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And yes, it’s a booster to many companies

tall igloo
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I think down the road it'll be useful, but highly depends on which law firm you end up working for

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Most likely the adoption would be using legal tech products

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Because there are tech companies targeting the legal sector, it's easier for law firms to outsource/use products rather than build in-house stuff

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Law firms are not looking for innovation that way.

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Right now automation on proposals is already something that's seen new

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But then again, I don't know about the legal scene in Sillicon Valley

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Which may be more willing to adapt

grand glacier
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Alright, thanks a lot. BTW, keeping law aside, do you think any student can learn coding to build products ?

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regardless of the background?

tall igloo
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Oh yeah I certainly think so. So much more flexiblity. I mean if you want, even if you're an articling student at an old firm, you can still automate your process at home, just don't tell them LOL

grand glacier
tall igloo
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Oh sorry I actually just assumed you already have coding knowledge. Well down the road there's a potential side of it

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If you are still going to be come a lawyer

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Is cybersecurity

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To those Partners, AI? Sure, exciting, but we're not in for the excitement. But getting hacked and asked for ransom is real

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And law firms don't tell people that

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But yeah start! I'm excited for you!

grand glacier
tall igloo
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Yeah

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If you're a law student, you'd know that you hold sensitive corporate or personal information

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Now more prestiege law firms would have the IT resources to counter cyberattacks

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Although they still get them

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But getting penetration test and vulnerbility testing and so on is a very expensive exercise

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Small to mid firms often can't afford periodic testing like that

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And it only requires one hack

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Then the hackers would basically tell them, hey if you don't pay me, we're going to release all the sensitive information you got for your clients

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It's a serious matter because it could be about a deal that is not supposed to be disclosed or personal asset transfer and things like that

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Very personal and sensitive.

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Once clients know that you had a leak, you're out of business

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The one I witnessed they had to pay up ransom and got more serious about their security

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But they're also stressed out because it's not a revenue generating expense

grand glacier
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Ah, I get it. So more than coding, cybersecurity comes more handy to law firms. I am just 20 in a law school, but being in the college cyber committe, and having a bit of coding background makes me wonder about the contribution I can make to the legal department.

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Your insights helped me a lot! Thank you!

tall igloo
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You're welcome! I dont' get to talk to people about problems in legal sector except with lawyers without tech background lol so this is fun

balmy bramble
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Idk if this counts as careers but... Is there a way to have a higher chance of scholarship for computer science?

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I have a 4.0 GPA

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97% average to be exact

cobalt lark
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Hey @worldly trail, we don't allow advertisement of discord servers here

little prairie
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Why are there no viable alternatives to Upwork given how many freelancers on Upwork loathe the platform?

tall igloo
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Network effect?

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That’s where the buyers are

inner patio
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hello

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anyone here?

true harness
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no

inner patio
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why?

true harness
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nvm

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yes, there are people here

inner patio
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oh idk that

twilit heart
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hello

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who here can code

true harness
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idk

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1 or 2 maybe

dark lintel
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Hi. Does anyone recommend 365datascience course for a software engineering student? What is the most effective way to become proefficient in data science/analytics in 6 months in order to get a remote job? I live in Latin America by the way. Just some extra facts, I'm fluent in English and got a nice math background, in addition to some C/C++ experience.

twilit heart
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i can codde

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one has ai and another is endless jumper

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can i become admin

digital fjord
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you get staff roles by gradual promotion. There is an explanation pinned in #community-meta

sour tartan
still condor
vapid jay
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questions for someone currently employed :)

How long did it take you to get to this level of knowledge? When did you get your first job interview? How did you prepare? When was your first succesful job interview and how was it? Are you selftaught, if not specify where have you learned the concepts? ; I feel like there is a lot of concepts (modules, libraries, frameworks...) to learn, what should a fullstack web dev know before looking for an job? How to find a perfect job application for you? I hear people saying that job interview coding challanges are hard algorythms/things you generally wouldnt need for that position, is this true? (please ping me on reply!)

untold aurora
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What GCSE’s do I need to become a CS secondary school teacher in wales

tall igloo
vapid jay
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where can i find projects that take in volunteers? is it hard to find? can i 16 year old volunteer?

errant prawn
glossy moon
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Hey guys,
I have been confused between two courses for my undergraduate studies : Software Engineering vs Computer Science.
I searched the pros and cons on Google and from what I can understand, CS has more of a theoretical approach while SE has more of a practical approach. I would appreciate it if anyone can tell me the major aspects of both courses and their respective careers, along with their recommendations.
Thank you. (please ping on reply)

shut lily
tall igloo
tacit steeple
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hi does anyone here live in california but work remote in another state

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I have a question I'd like to DM about

tardy egret
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Why not just ask?

tacit steeple
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What is California State precedent on noncompetes

tardy egret
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Noncompetes are illegal in CA

tacit steeple
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if you are California Resident living and working 100% in california

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but you are employed by a company looking to enforce a conflict of law in another state

tardy egret
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One sec while I check on something..

tacit steeple
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and yet this piece still exists in my contract

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which leads me to believe that's not 100% true in the way I understand it atleast

tardy egret
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Oh, a non-compete in your employment contract with a CA-based company?

tacit steeple
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No it is HQ'd in another state and the conflict of law clause is to reinforce that

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so that they can legislate in that state instead

tardy egret
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I see. Let me ask someone, one sec.

tacit steeple
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I have called a lawyer but I've got nothing in the meanwhile

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Okay super super super appreciate your time thanks!

tardy egret
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no worries

tacit steeple
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Basically if I can sign it knowing it'll be void that's fine, but if I need them to rewrite the contract I'd rather not push it out too long

tardy egret
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So, if something in that contract is non-enforceable, there's almost certainly another clause in there ("non-severability", I believe) that will say that one section being non-enforceable will not affect any other sections, that the rest of the contract is still valid.

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Also, if a company pushes back on a minor contract change, that can be a red flag.

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Ok, the laws of the state of residence apply to all employment matters.

tacit steeple
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Is this something I need to tell them

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My specific scenario is that I have asked them about it but they have only reiterated the English in the contract nothing regarding to what I asked about how it pertains to me specifically

tardy egret
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You can bring it up to them, but if they don't want to change it, eh.

tacit steeple
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According to their wording this is in fact a condition of employment which is why I’m researching this at all because California specifically protects in those instances as far as I understand it

tardy egret
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CA has some of the best labor laws around software engineers, IMHO

tacit steeple
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I have already started working this is just legal paperwork that I have the right to review or something

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So the situation is a bit precarious

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We’re going on almost a month now

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They have let me sit on the paperwork because I had other concerns as well but it’s probably due soon

tardy egret
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I'd bring it up and point out those issues, but they can't enforce terms that would be illegal in CA - if your employment contract includes a non-compete clause, that clause is just void for you because you live in CA. They can wish all they want, CA says "no".

tacit steeple
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Okay so a non severability clause would be indicative of that

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Because that protects against the remainder of the document being void

tardy egret
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Yes, that protects the entire contract from being voided by one clause. Very standard.

tacit steeple
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I just don’t want future job transitions to have baggage that’s all life’s already stressful enough

fallen dew
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Interesting topic. I know with taxes, you pay taxes in your state of residency, not necessarily in the state you work in (like if you live close to a state line and commute to a different state)

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Remote working is now more prevalent and I can see there being a lot of contractual grey areas

tardy egret
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Oh man, CA will extort you to get their tax money. 😛

fallen dew
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Heh

tardy egret
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Two things I've always loved about CA labor law: non-competes are illegal, and you own all work done on your own time and equipment.

tacit steeple
tardy egret
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Yeah, I agree

twilit loom
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hi! One friendly question. When do I know I am ready to start applying to entry level python jobs? And thanks!

tacit steeple
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My experience with jobs in general is that roles are truly need based and if you have the right handful of niche skills and a good personality you'll probably get hired

twilit loom
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Thanks, makes sense

tacit steeple
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depending on how high up the ladder you want to land will inform you how good of a programmer you'll want to be

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that obviously will adjust to your immediate financial needs as well

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and don't be afraid to start learning one aspect of python and fall into another

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it's all relatively important and knowing how to use Python to accomplish a task puts you a step above most people

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for example if you know how to program this computer chip shortage is not a problem for you on an individual level

twilit loom
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makes sense, thanks!

tacit steeple
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oh and have github contributions

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those are good

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even if it's to a private repository it shows you've been active and working

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easiest way to prove you're not full of shit

hearty fulcrum
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blanket question: what is python good for?

tacit steeple
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code is just a set of instructions for your computer

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any physical action or idea that you can write down into a set of steps

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python can materialize it for you in the form of a program

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If you do a set of steps every morning that is repetitive, like checking your email, downloading a few files, and writing those numbers into a spreadsheet

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You can turn each of those steps into distinct python functions

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and then pass information through to automatically run that every single day for a year

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the date and time can change as well

hearty fulcrum
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i guess the answer to this might be 'everything' but is there a particular field that people tend to lean towards using python

tacit steeple
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you'll find python in scientific research projects, social media app APIs, everywhere

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website backends, point of sale machines

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I know of fields that use python more because of its specific support for an industry

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not the other way around

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python is more or less a general purpose, not really speed optimized, language that can do anything you can manage to figure out how to tell it to do

hearty fulcrum
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versus a language like r, which is used a lot for stats

tacit steeple
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You might prototype your code in Python but then write the full code in C++

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or Cython

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R is definitely like field specific in that regard

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Python is not, it is definitely used widely across many different sectors for different reasons

hearty fulcrum
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interesting

tacit steeple
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fake example: one person uses it to move big groups of numbers around, but someone else might use it to decode genomes

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one person uses it to create a twitter shitpost bot, another one uses it to deliver weather to them every morning

hearty fulcrum
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i plan on going into cs for college next year but I'm pretty unsure on anything more specific than that so that's why im curious b t dubs

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lol shitpost bot

tacit steeple
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I think Python rose in the ranks of "most used coding languages" again this year

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its very accessible because it resembles plain english

hearty fulcrum
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ah yea its higher level or whatever right

tacit steeple
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mmm that's a different phrase for another situation

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Java, C++, C#, JS are all high level as well

covert briar
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sebastian999#4166

vapid jay
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c++ yes indeed is high level

shadow moss
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Still Python is not default language at most companies but instead glue that holds stuff together. I recommend learning Js, Java or C# if you want to do software development

mortal wedge
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Default language at my company

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But am not sure how that expands to others

digital fjord
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@jaunty cradle we do not allow recruitment here

keen seal
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Is there a degree where you both work with computer hardware and coding at the same time? I am asking because there dose not seem to be a 'middle-ground' computer career where you work on creating hardware while simultaneously work on the software side of things.

harsh patio
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quick question, guys. How the hell do i find out if my company reimburses you for time not spent saved in PTO? Its not in the handbook or the benefits document. Is there a good way to approach HR about this?

keen seal
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I asked my professor this question and she replied with 'Computer Science', but I have also heard from others that it solely focuses on programming.

tardy egret
harsh patio
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wow thats wonderful

tardy egret
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@keen seal You want BIOS or firmware programming, probably, and I'm not aware if there's a particular degree or program for that.

harsh patio
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@tardy egret looks like the original state the company is based out of HAS to pay out. My state i work out of doesn't but their policy probably is similar to their founding state

tardy egret
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I believe (IANAL) that PTO payout will follow your state of residence, but most companies don't want to mess with employment law and just pay out

harsh patio
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yeah i don't know if my company separates policies by state you reside in

tardy egret
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My CA employer paid mine out after I moved to WA, where there's no law one way or the other.

harsh patio
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i emailed HR but i weaseled it in between some general HR questions. If they don't pay it out ill be using it all haha

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well, some general PTO questions*

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in my defense, i haven't taken time all year outside 1 day, so im sitting on a week and a half of time. If i lost that money i would riot

tardy egret
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It's in their interest to pay out - it wouldn't be that hard to cost them that much money in legal fees, even if you never won anything. Also, don't let it sit at the cap - the PTO you'd be accruing isn't accruing once you hit the cap. Take a day off every so often to be sure you're always accruing, and to help with sanity.

harsh patio
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normally i take a ton of time in the fall

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but everything i normally do is a mass gathering of some sort, which covid doesn't allow

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so ive taken no time lol

tardy egret
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Yeah. (Side note, I wonder how much of the economy is tied up in PTO pre- vs post-COVID). Why are you wondering about the policy? Thinking of leaving, or nearing the cap?

harsh patio
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oh im gonna get fired this week

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unless i drop PTO in massive quantities

tardy egret
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What state are you in?

harsh patio
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Tennessee

dark sigil
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hello, is anyone here able to help me on a big project?

tardy egret
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googles around

mild zenith
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@dark sigil No no, I think you misunderstood. I was talking about the links in the channel description

tardy egret
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@harsh patio From tn.gov: "Unless the employer's policy or manual specifically provides for the payment of fringe benefits or requires compensation of unused fringe benefits to an employee upon his or her separation of employment, Tennessee Law does not require that an employee's wages or final wages include such compensation"

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And: "Fringe benefits are those benefits that are determined by the employer. These include paid-time-off (PTO)..."

harsh patio
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so its entirely up to the employer

tardy egret
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Sounds like it

harsh patio
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well, if i get fucked out of that it isn't a HUGE deal

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but ideally not

tardy egret
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😦

harsh patio
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i might just fucking schedule a ton of time off

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play a sob story to my boss

tardy egret
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It sounds to me like they're trying to get all the PTO off the books before EOY.

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I know that accrued PTO is counted as a liability, and I know companies do this kind of thing, but I'm unsure what the benefit to lowering that for EOY is. I am also not an accountant.

harsh patio
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i have no idea what they have planned, but they have a ton of deadlines for me that i think they're 100% expecting me NOT to hit

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oh HR emailed me

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i get the payout

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hell to the yes

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i won't lose my bonus and i won't lose my PTO

tardy egret
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Glad to hear about the payout, sucks about the deadlines.

harsh patio
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idc. I have a new job lined up. But i lose some of the finances if i quit. Im in a unique position where its personally ideal to be fired

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oddly enough haha

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some of the finances being $10,000

tardy egret
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Hah! I was somewhere similar, once - I wanted to leave, had another job lined up..and then I heard layoffs were coming. Asked my boss to lay me off so I could get the severance, he agreed. Said it was the easiest firing, ever. 🙂

harsh patio
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yeah my job was gonna fire me regardless because im on a PIP. And im not keeping this job on my resume, it was terrible and i gained no skills towards my future

tardy egret
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Ah, bummer

harsh patio
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yeah, it happens

tardy egret
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Yeah

harsh patio
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im just glad i keep that money plus the payout. buying a house next year and a few pieces of furniture

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we were gonna have to sacrifice the furniture, but now we dont need to

tardy egret
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Great!

marsh wind
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cause you can't just drop and have a gap if it's not few months I think

harsh patio
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like 9 months. But i have a part time gig i can fill that space with that honestly is more applicable to my skillset

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i freelanced the last few months

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well, closing in on last several months

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its a long term freelance gig and im in a great place with the guy paying me. He loves me and said i can use him and the job as a reference. Love that situation

crude crown
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9 months? I wouldn't drop the job from the resume man.

keen seal
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What are some good entry-level jobs for programming?

tardy egret
tacit steeple
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sorry to bother you again @tardy egret but is the person you talked to earlier today a lawyer by any chance? would they be able to give a consultation? I got sent a pricetag for one and it's really high.

tacit steeple
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you apply and move on

tardy egret
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No, it's my wife who used to work in HR. 😆 I do know of an employment lawyer, she might talk to you a bit for free, but I don't know her and can't get you a deal.

tacit steeple
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don't focus too much on role just get the skillset balllpark right

tacit steeple
tardy egret
tacit steeple
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thank you so much i really appreciate you taking the time

tardy egret
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No worries

jolly sparrow
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Just started a online course to intro to python

worthy raven
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hey guys. just wondering if anyone knew if there were some sort of certification or whatever to get for programming or if the only way to get an entry level job in coding is by degree

median light
uncut nova
warm oxide
median light
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Contributing on github etc will help give him a reputation that's what I meant

weak birch
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How far can I actually get in a backend SWE career if I only know Python? If Python is the first language I am learning coding in, is it expected of me to pivot over to compiled languages like C++ or Java where performance is more pronounced over the course of my learning?

silver wind
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YO

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Sup

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how's life

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anyone there people

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koi bharatiy hai, jisko hindi me wartalab karni aati ho?

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batao na

vapid jay
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Nahi, mujhe hindi nahi ata hai

onyx steeple
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wartalab bhai sab

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itni hindi to school me nahi padhi thi

wet ibex
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!rule 4

inner wrenBOT
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Rules

4. This is an English-speaking server, so please speak English to the best of your ability.

peak drum
hasty harness
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Projects or Competative programming?

analog ledge
#

Hello! I am a 16 year old who's passionate about Python and data science and want to make a career out of it. If I want to get into a good college, I must study a lot meaning I can't spend a lot of time on it. If I spend a lot of my time on it, I might get into a good college because it's heavily competitive. What should I do to have a good career ahead?

native panther
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out of curiosity, is anyone here an astrophysics major/ have an astro degree?

golden tundra
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If you’re US based, it’s fine if you can’t go into CS heavily until college, I met people of people who didn’t start coding till then

native panther
golden tundra
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A lot of my coworkers went to a local state school

vapid jay
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is anyone a good professional? Maybe can give me pointers on a resume

native panther
true harness
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there's astropy or pyastro, something like that

acoustic cobalt
#

Hey, I would like to involve myself to open source project to learn some practical skills. Could you send me some repos which are good to start with?

half swan
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@acoustic cobalt

acoustic cobalt
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thx B)

onyx steeple
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Can I master python, learn Machine learning/ AI development and get a possible career in a space exploration/ solutions related industry?

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I have tremendous interest in space stuff but I don’t have a science degree so Idk any other skill other than machine learning to enter the industry

vapid jay
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'can i xyz' answer is always "yes"

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that doesnt mean itll be easy

mortal wedge
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People cutting cents

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shrug

opaque gazelle
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if there were some sort of certification or whatever to get for programming or if the only way to get an entry level job in coding is by degree

fallen dew
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Anything that asks you to pay something before starting is a red flag imo @chrome hamlet

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In any industry and whether it’s a FT job or an internship

north blade
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.

weak birch
placid wraith
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Correct me if I'm wrong but u need to know ur way around a terminal to work in a computer related cerrer

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Ok got ya

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I think I'm good the cos I know linux terminal

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OK thanks

mortal wedge
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Yeah, it's one of those things that will make your life a lot easier

radiant shore
#

Hey! ive been taking into consideration careers alot more lately and i wanted to just talk about the realm of computer science and a job as a programmer to see if this is really what i want to go for before i graduate high school, anyone for a discussion? Or suggestions of where i can go to find out more?

cedar raptor
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@radiant shore imo programming without domain knowledge can be a bit of a black hole. Rather than thinking of a "job as a programmer" think about how computer programming can be leveraged in a domain you care about, are interested in, proficient in, etc.

radiant shore
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Hm ok i see...

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Personally i would like to say im deadset on music and it is the one thing that ive been constant with, but my issue with it is its low income. I believe with the right tools and creativity i can turn it into something but i just cant be absolutely sure if it will give me enough income to take on everything, which is why im considering a secondary, or considering using music as a secondary

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I do enjoy programming here and there because of how it gets me to really think and be creative when it comes to solving a problem, but i cant be sure if im interested in doing it in the long term, maybe i will, maybe i wont shrug which is kinda why i started this discussion to see if this is something worthwhile

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@cedar raptor Do you think it would be worthwhile trying to find a way to integrate computer science into music other than just personal interest?

tardy egret
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Doing a basic web search got me this: https://www.simplyhired.com/search?q=music+programmer&job=AwVHvWTr-FFVz9DRkkb_b7kUxwP5wpAdxaklkj9_cW9ngqn8jZ91dQ
Should give you a few ideas of how you can merge music and programming.

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vapid jay
#

Hey I'm taking a college course and we were given an assignment to briefly interview someone in our field of interest. It would only be like 10-15 minutes. I'd be extremely grateful if anyone in a development or management position would be willing to take the time to do this. Ideally it'd be over voice or video call but we could just do it via discord messages or email as well. Thanks in advance!

radiant shore
grand glacier
vapid jay
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what should i do with python i wanna make hardware stuff but what should i do with python since most of the hardware stuff is dont with C

weak birch
#

Has the proverbial "coding interview" gotten progressively more and more difficult over the years? For an example, apparently fizzbuzz used to be a staple coding interview question, now it's rarely asked and more often demonstrated in a coding course. Seems like the bar/threshold has gotten higher.

cedar raptor
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everything is figuring out API integration nowdays

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@radiant shore yes - doing music you love to play isn't likely to yield much nowadays, sort of like playing the lottery. If you want to be reliably successful in music, you have to play what other people want (like jingles for a commercial or be a bar cover band).

Computer programming in music can be a lot of different things, from sound engineering to digital instrument creation. I am also a musician and I liked playing with wave packet shapes (cutting the attack, decay, sustain, etc with mathematical functions). I don't know how lucrative this is in the job market though.

sly canopy
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^ legal?

true harness
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legal yeah

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against the rules though

dawn arch
#

If you must choose one of the two, Would you get masters in computer science or computer information systems(database concentration) and why?

dawn arch
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i'm lookng more into database

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i'm currently in data science but thinking of switching to computer science or information system with database emphasis

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@chrome hamlet thoughts?

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feel data science is a fad and lot of people in this field. still new and unknown. is data science still a good option?

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heard in 10 years, the popularity will die down tremendously and lot of companies dont know what to do with data science

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what's your opinion?

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i researched quora, reddit, and etc and seems lot of people are critical of computer information systems

crude crown
#

@radiant shore I feel similarly to you and I've taken the path towards an engineering field instead of trying to irk out a living from music

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my advice, the easiest way to start disliking something is to make it part of your job.

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so, for me, I try to keep my musical endeavours as separate as possible from my professional (i.e. software) life.

proper escarp
#

Hey is studying CS rly all that important for my career (ie will it make me better at programming in general) or is it just a fancy paper that makes u get jobs more easily ? I'm planning to become an international student in Canada but still not sure that dumping that amount of money will be worth it

vapid jay
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cs teaches you computational theory more than it teaches you how to code

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thats very important but you can learn everything on your own obviously

amber holly
#

yeah more likely than not CS will touch on a bunch of languages and methodologies but not refine your abilities in one language over another, that's pretty much on you

tardy egret
#

As an employer, I have a strong preference for candidates with formal CS education. It really shows when you don't have that.

amber holly
#

anyone who can learn a language to that high of a degree in two semesters is like whew

shadow moss
#

Degree is always better then no degree

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However, why international student unless it’s some visa thing?

sly canopy
digital fjord
#

@tall crane we do not allow recruitment

proper escarp
proper escarp
vapid jay
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id argue that cs grads are better at some stuff and self taught are better at some stuff

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get a good mix and pick the right employee for the task

proper escarp
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yep I agree, being self taught u actually have the option to quit if u don't like the language but in CS ur pretty much stuck

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plus u can get rly good at one thing

vapid jay
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i mean technically a cs grad is just 'always' better on the grounds that they can do all the same self learning a self taught guy did, but in practice i dont think it really is like that

shadow moss
#

Sure but there is plenty of self taught people with degrees as well

hardy panther
#

Is there a jobs board I can post to here within the #rules of this discord?

shadow moss
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Nope due to inability to properly vet it

digital owl
#

hi, i got an offer from a company and i will join them after 3 months(3 month notice period), i have signed the offer letter and mailed it back. i will resign from my current company today, but im nervous if the new company suddenly decided to cancel my offer for someone else who can join them sooner? is that possible?

hardy panther
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guh (no job board) 🙂 I just rolled through three other language/developer slacks/discords and they all have one of some sort. I'm curious what the concern is for not having one here?
(note: i'm the hiring manager & architect, not a recruiter, and I'd prefer to pull from dev chats rather than other job posting boards)

mortal wedge
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The issue is curation. The staff feels that any job offers would have to be properly vetted and they don't have the resources to do that.

shadow moss
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Zephy, depends on your country, in United States may revoke an offer for any reason

broken cave
#

what can be expected in a hour interview for cisco for software engineering?

golden tundra
#

I think it very much depends on the school you go to, what the CS degree teaches
My school taught a balance of theory and practical

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Part of the idea was we learned theory by trying to put it into practice

mortal wedge
toxic talon
#

hey, was just wondering if there are any developers ( especially 15-30 ) who are interested in a quick chat? I'm trying to gain some insights through the answers so it'd be helpful I guess. Please lemme know if you're down for it ( just DM me or something ) :))

violet condor
#

hi guys, any recommended career options that requires python coding skills?

true harness
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webdev, data science

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well, no field really requires python, but it's nice to know for them

violet condor
#

oh i see

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what does a python developer / software engineer do?

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what kind of projects do they get?

vapid jay
#

they code python. what wow whoa

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idk what you expect from that question tbh man. some people are python web dev and do like flask/django stuff, some are in ai/ml, etc

violet condor
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ohh

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so there are people who specialise in certain areas

vapid jay
#

yea

violet condor
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i thought they had to know like all of them

vapid jay
#

no your standard webdev does not know how to use tensorflow and set up the big data machine learning esque stuff

violet condor
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i see

fallen dew
#

Is there a good / standard chart somewhere in the community with average ballpark salaries for type of developer jobs with breakdowns like junior, senior, etc?

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I know it’ll vary widely but just to get a general idea

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I always thought developers make more than accountants, in general, but I’m reading some stuff on reddit saying that is not really the case. But nothing to back it up really

vapid jay
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levels.fyi

shadow moss
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Accountants probably make more, it requires a master and licensing in most states

fallen dew
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It doesn’t, anyone can get a job with a bachelor’s in accounting

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Obviously CFOs or partners at accounting firms make a lot of many but getting in as a staff accountant doesn’t require either of those

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I’m trying to learn some programming skills to add to the resumé to maybe switch into a financial analyst role or something more interesting. But I imagine there also exists a need for programmers who know accounting somewhere, although it’s probably pretty niche

winter galleon
#

gun

digital owl
#

my company is retaining me by counter offering me with the same package as the new company is offering, they easily agreed to do it. is it fishy?
should i accept the counter offer?

vapid jay
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its not fishy, but its up to you if you trust them

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some companies will do that then immediately start looking to replace you with someone cheaper

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other companies will do that and be fine paying you it because you are worth it and they dont care

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theres a decent amount of people who feel you should never accept your current companies counter offer, but eh

fallen dew
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What’re the other things to consider? If there are reasons outside of pay/benefits, you should def consider those. Are you looking for something new?

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My old company counter offered me like $15k more and I still turned it down because I didn’t want to continue doing that work and desperately needed better health benefits

digital owl
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@fallen dew if you had accepted that 15k more counter offer, would they lay you off?

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later on?

fallen dew
#

I doubt it, but it definitely could have been possible

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That was definitely something I took into consideration

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They could have paid me the new salary while quietly looking for a replacement. I’ll never know 🤷🏻‍♂️

golden tundra
#

What are the reasons you want to leave your company?

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Will the counteroffer solve them?

glossy pecan
#

I think generally it's a bad idea to accept counter-offers

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Especially for as relatively little as $15k base a year, I've seen people accept counter offers in exchange for a big stock grant etc

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Truth is, you're getting nothing by staying at your company, the $15k extra is now your market rate (as evidenced by the other offer) and after the counter-offer you're very unlikely to get a raise/promotion for a while

fallen dew
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Yeah, I was just using my exp as an example. Every company is different, but it was a small company and change == very bad for small companies because they don’t have as good of resources for finding a quick replacement and they did not exactly have someone else who could jump in to do most of the day to day tasks I did

peak halo
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I'm graduating with a CS/data science degree in May and I figure I need to spend the semester break ramping up my job hunt. Reading my resume would give one the (entirely accurate) impression that I have no desire to use languages other than Python and I'm not sure if I should do something about that.

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I'm also not really sure what to do in general.

white karma
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You should say the language you work with primarily is python and that you’re willing to learn others

prisma wagon
peak halo
prisma wagon
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If you list them make it a point that you have limited experience with it. Just so it doesn’t end up hurting you if you’re getting an interview based on that. If you can make a full blown project and show case your skills in them that would be best

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Also this will depend on the field you’re wanting to jump into.

peak halo
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natural language processing. The whole ecosystem is basically Python and legacy code in Perl.

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Though a lot of the Python libraries are C extensions.

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Honestly I don't think I'd want a position where I wasn't working primarily in Python unless it was nlp-related anyway. Unless I don't get any such offers.

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So it may be that there really isn't an issue.

keen seal
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What's the difference between Computer Engineering and Computer science?

prisma wagon
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You would be correct in assuming that. My apologies. That should be more than fine. Just make sure you have some projects up to show for it.

bronze gazelle
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Anyone make side money doing freelance work?

peak halo
peak halo
bronze gazelle
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^ that

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Computer engineering you're going to learn digital design, VLSI

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<--- formally trained Electrical-computer engineer

peak halo
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and then software engineering is about software design, and different people have different feelings about how much that overlaps with computer science.

bronze gazelle
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I'd say computer science is more theoretical algorithms, and software design is the actual implementation in a language

peak halo
keen seal
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I want to do something that is related to coding but it is not all coding

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And lean more on the hardware side of things

peak halo
bronze gazelle
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So my degree was a strong mixture of double EE and CE hence eletrical-computer. I learned embedded programming, fpga, asic design, vlsi, signal-processing, control theory, digital and analog circuits. I designed a 64 bit MIPS processor and then described it in verilog to run on an FPGA. That was a sophmore year class.

keen seal
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sounds awesome!

bronze gazelle
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I learned a lot of intro crap, and im not exceptionally good at any of it

keen seal
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how much math is involved?

bronze gazelle
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A lot, signal processing is basically all math, so is control theory

keen seal
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is it mostly discrete math?

bronze gazelle
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Digital signal processing is

keen seal
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or calculus math

bronze gazelle
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Both

keen seal
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discrete math is more abstract than linear, right?

bronze gazelle
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thats a loaded question

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I would say overall no though

keen seal
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what's different about it

bronze gazelle
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In my discrete math I learned: probability theory, boolean algebra, first order logic, predicate calculus, graph theory, combinatorics

peak halo
bronze gazelle
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In linear algebra I learned: matrix and vector math, eigenvectors, vector spaces, linear programming, solving systems of equations

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All those topics are very applied but at the same time very abstract

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but so are the topics of discrete math

keen seal
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Yeah my mind is more used to linear math than discreate math

bronze gazelle
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In fact all those topics in discrete math are used in programming a lot

keen seal
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maybe its just because I'm so used to it

peak halo
keen seal
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I was going to plan on getting my B.S in Physics but I'm having second guesses on what I actually want to do

bronze gazelle
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Undergrad degree matters less than you think

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I'm an ECE and now I do statistical analysis and programming as a day job

keen seal
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Oh nice

civic venture
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im a loser trying to get good at python cause covid 👍

keen seal
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My advisor recommended me to not go into getting a B.S in Physics since there is not a lot of job opportunity in that field.

bronze gazelle
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The hard sciences rarely get used directly as at the BS level. However I know lots of people with BS degrees in science/math and get system engineering jobs

keen seal
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What about a master's degree?

bronze gazelle
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Probably not

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it would probably help with getting a more applied engineering position.

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Like the people doing applied physics research have PhDs because those things are usually really specialized

keen seal
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Does the same thing apply to Computer Engineering?

bronze gazelle
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No

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a BS in engineering can get you an engineering job right out the door, thats why the degree is usually so sought after. Good job prospects, therefore a lot of people apply therefore highly competitive

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Like a BS in engineering from a top ranked uni can get you places, but even a mid tier one can too

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Not saying engineers are smarter or something

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CS has good job prospects too

keen seal
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my plan for right now is getting my general required classes at a community College and then transfer to a different university to get my bachelor's degree

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if physics doesn't work, I'll work getting a computer engineering degree, and if that doesn't work, I'll get a degree in financing

bronze gazelle
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Well for associates it doesn't matter

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keep that in mind

cold brook
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Hey guys! So, I'm a teenager rn, but I want to become a software engineer for a big tech company when I grow up. What should I take in college?

vapid jay
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same question with rishil ^^^ i'm 16 right now

vapid jay
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@cold brook @vapid jay Speaking as someone who gives tours at their current college, I have heard this question a few times. I would recommend something along the lines of computer science or information systems, but I would also recommend starting first with looking at colleges you like and then going from there

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Make sure you reach out to academic advisors and professors at those colleges, they're more well equipped to handle that sort of question and honestly love having people reach out with those kinds of questions.

vapid jay
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I am currently a 12th grader going into college soon looking to see what I should Study for but I want a high paying position job in programming I need to get some ideas 💡 ?

edgy palm
tender plover
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I guess that will be the most effective way

vapid jay
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hey

stiff olive
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Suggest some Best YT channel to learn python for beginners and intermediate lvl?

edgy palm
stiff olive
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Thanks @edgy palm . I'll check out the channel

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What about traversery media YT channel? Is he good

edgy palm
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don't know about that but the three channels i recommended are enough for beginners and intermidiate

white karma
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Corey’s channel is pretty great yeah

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His django tutorial is really in depth if not slightly outdated

edgy palm
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yes

stiff olive
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Thanks @edgy palm @white karma

shadow parrot
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yo im a leetcode god what should i do next

neon moat
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if you're a leetcode god @shadow parrot then you should be applying for jobs

mortal wedge
shadow parrot
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@neon moat yee but my resume isn’t getting past the screen much as I’d like

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@mortal wedge I’m a slow typer will that make it impossible?

mortal wedge
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Impossible no but it would hinder you

shadow parrot
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I see, maybe i can work on that too then, any recs for beginner ones to get into?

fervent surge
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@shadow parrot how much experience do you have? Degree?

shadow parrot
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@fervent surge yeh I have a math degree, no work experience. Math degree also kinda explains the whole leetcode thing so maybe I should've led with that

fervent surge
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Dope, that's a fat degree for fat money in compsci just need to get your foot in the door - have you applied to finance firms?

shadow parrot
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No, I haven't actually, would that be a finance SWE job, or is it called something else?

fervent surge
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Front Office SWE or similar

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You can also just apply for regular SWE jobs at hedge funds, there are a lot

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They really appreciate maths I hear

shadow parrot
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nice thank you, any skills I should learn for that? I'm mainly coding in python right now, I should probably learn a lower level language like c++ for finance algorithms

grizzled lion