career-advice

[sick crown]

@A.D honestly for non-frontend roles, hiring managers spend like 10 seconds on a portfolio site. what matters more is: 1) clean README files in your GitHub repos with actual screenshots/demos 2) deployed projects they can click and try 3) clear problem→solution narratives. minimal-mistakes is fine as a template, but i'd focus energy on making 2-3 projects really shine with good documentation rather than perfecting the portfolio site itself. that said, if you want something modern with minimal effort, just use a simple Next.js or Astro template

[last moat]

Guys, do certifications increase your chance of landing entry level jobs?? Our gov launched initiative to 100% reimburse cert fee is you pass it. Should i grind and get certs?? I am talking about popular certs like AWS, ISTQB etc

I am freelancer i could put it on upwork profile but not sure whether its worth of time or not

[sick crown]

if the gov is paying for it 100% then honestly why not, free credentials. AWS certs specifically do carry weight for cloud roles. but id still prioritize having a real project you can demo over any cert — certs show you studied, projects show you can build

[last moat]

I am a QA tester so i am thinking of getting ISTQB one

[icy berry]

some certs are important where clients care about it, like AWS and Azure. but for python, no, not at all.

[sick dune]

Hi everyone! I'm trying to get into software engineering and I have a collection of python books like Python Crash Course or Fluent Python. I just would want to have some advice about pursuing this route. I'm hearing a lot about AI replacing people and layoffs etc but I really enjoy programming and solving problems. I just want some advice to know if I should get into it and also if reading books and doing projects is the best way to learn in this AI era and get a job. Thanks in advance 🙂

[peak halo]

The job market for programmers is pretty bad right now, but it's because of economic pressures. not AI.
Even people with CS degrees are struggling to out-compete each other for limited job openings, so there's basically no way to get a programming job without a CS degree (or a similar degree).

that said, you won't learn everything from university courses. reading programming textbooks, and doing personal projects especially, is a great way to develop your skills.
(but if you don't have a degree, they won't look at your resume long enough to figure out what skills you claim that you have.)

[sick dune]

Thanks for the insight, I appreciate it! I actually have a degree in telecommunications, but I've always enjoyed development and problem solving (did some C and Java in preparatory school). I'll still spend time learning and building projects, and hopefully by the time the market improves I'll have some solid things to showcase. Again thanks !

[peak halo]

do you have a job right now? what is it?

[merry ledge]

boys its over

[solid parcel]

Hell yeah, congratulations!

[vapid violet]

What position?

[merry ledge]

this feels really sus though. i checked all the URLs they are from @ibm.com but i was not expecting a job offer so early. i never did a background check, they never asked for referalls, and i never even met with the team im apperently joining

how can i confirm this is real?

[vapid violet]

IBM has an application portal don't they?

[merry ledge]

DocuSign?

i literally only did technicals i never met anyone from HR. This can not be real

[vapid violet]

https://careers.ibm.com/en_US/careers/JobAlerts

[merry ledge]

what?

oh

[fringe sphinx]

Congratulations. Now you might be able to afford all the kittens.

[merry ledge]

i am lacking so much information on what this job actually is. i never met with the team ill be working with

[solid parcel]

I believe IBM use a team matching process, which would explain this

[fringe sphinx]

That's what we call a "high quality problem".

[merry ledge]

im unfamiliar with that term

[fringe sphinx]

It's kinda a joke term as I use it. I mean it in the sense that it's a good problem to have.

[merry ledge]

not if i gotta learn a new tech stack

but yeah it is a good problem to have 😂 i can learn a new tech stack no problem

[fringe sphinx]

It is appropriate to ask questions, though. Just preface it to make it clear that you're interested / excited, so they don't think you have cold feet:
"Thank you for the offer. I'm very excited about the opportunity!
Could you share some details about the role, such as which team I'd be working with or what technology they use?"

[blazing halo]

hi

how much can i expect to earn after learning python

[near ocean]

As much as the job you find pays you

[feral snow]

I'm a mostly lab-based biomedical researcher currently on hiatus after govt funding cuts pushed me out of the lab. I've been really interested in pivoting into bioinformatics ever since I helped with data engineering and visualization on a scRNA-seq project at my first lab during COVID using Python.

Despite that, not many labs have seem interested in hiring me in that research subfield for the last few years. I have a MS in biomedical engineering rather than a CS degree. Does anyone have any advice on any particular subjects, professional certificates, etc. that may help me stand out? Thanks!

[open ivy]

There is no specific advice to give. Some ideas:

• Go to Counter Culture labs in Oakland CA and meet people there. Or a similar place closer to where you live.
• Work on an open source project in bioinformatics. What GitHub issues are there?
• Find someone who wants to talk about computer geeky stuff. Bonus points if it is in bioinformatics.
• Build a portfoleo project that is programming-heavy. No one knows what interests you more than you do.

My rule of thumb is bits•humans. Meaning that getting a job is primary a function of who you know (the human connections you keep making and maintaining) and what you know and the skills you show (the bits, i.e. portfoleo projects).

[fringe sphinx]

The path to a career in software engineering isn't simply "learn python". Just like the path to becoming a carpenter isn't "learn how to saw".

[fringe sphinx]

Also, pay is very dependent on where you are, what level of education you have, what experience you have, and you. Software engineering is an enormous field.

[blazing halo]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[open ivy]

How good are your social skills? What portfolio projects will you do and how well can you follow through with them? Where do you live (scales with cost of living to an extent)? What is your working style you are most comfortable with (online, in person). So many factors.

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know you field, but definitely agree with calibayzone - find meetups & research groups. For example: pydata. Groups that include data scientists from different specialties.

[blazing halo]

i see i am trying to become data analytics in data science ykwim

[blazing halo]

thanks dude

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, just view it as "python is one piece of the puzzle". There's a number of skills that make a data analyst and data scientist. Are you in Uni?

[blazing halo]

i js compltetd my pre uni today i will start uni in few months

i am woried abt my future and what career to choose

[open ivy]

Lets say you were making 120k for 40 hours a week to work as a plumber and didn't need a tech job.

What programming projects would you do for fun, in your spare time. Of these, which do you think would interest others and/or solve a meaningful problem?

[solid parcel]

Heh, I like this analogy

[fringe sphinx]

Ok, then you're doing the right thing. Now is a good time to do some Python projects and develop those skills.

[fringe sphinx]

I'd say - game theory would tell us that, the best move is to maximize your opportunities by preparing a broad foundation.

[open ivy]

You are stepping into a place with a LOT of alchohol. But in my expirence it is more satasfying to look for dry meetups because the conversations are less brain-dead.

[blazing halo]

thats a good question i would try to build websites or games as i rlly want to create my own game

[fringe sphinx]

What?

[blazing halo]

i have like 5-6 months so i will try to upgrade my skills

[fringe sphinx]

As a beginner, any project will make you stronger. Make a game, if that's what interests you. The skills you build making a game will make you better at data analytics or whatever career you end up in.

[blazing halo]

i see thamks

[open ivy]

College encourages people to party late at night etc. I think that shifting that energy and time towards better "quality" social interactions would help a lot.

[blazing halo]

i am choosing data analyrtics cuz it will pay u ggood money

[feral snow]

I agree. Though I mostly did lab bench work, I made a couple of Shiny web apps during my last job along with the Jupyter notebook from the aforementioned COVID project saved. I recently moved out of a much bigger city back to my hometown, so online networking sounds like the way to go right now.

I appreciate the feedback!

[blazing halo]

i m from south asia they dont encouraage those stuffs

[open ivy]

Online with once/month meetup in-person?

[near ocean]

"college" doesnt, 18yos kids do

[open ivy]

Ok. I was thinking "America".

[fringe sphinx]

Right now, just code often and hang out in #python-discussion

[blazing halo]

lmao

[fringe sphinx]

Just avoid the fermented milk, I guess.

[blazing halo]

yes thanks

[blazing halo]

why😢

[fringe sphinx]

was an attempt at a joke based on your name.

[blazing halo]

lmao i got it

[open ivy]

Yes if you want to be technical and define "college" as not including the kids.

18 y/o kids love that booze indeed. Except for the 10% of 18y/o kids who actually want to build cool stuff and not (excessivly) do drugs. Those are the best people to be with as another 18/yo which I assume miklaholic is that age.

[feral snow]

Whatever works, I guess. I just know the last place I lived was quite a research hub, and my suburbia hometown isn't nearly close to that level. I'll start looking. There's nerds everywhere after all

[blazing halo]

whats ur age btw

[fringe sphinx]

I'm old. My kids are in in Uni.

[open ivy]

If you find an excellent online group, after a few months it may be well worth the plane ticket to meet them if they have an in-person. Just a single face-to-face is worth a LOT.

[blazing halo]

i ain gonna drink cuz i am milkaholic i will drink mik lol

[blazing halo]

i see thanks for ur advice anyways

[feral snow]

Yeah, agreed. One step at a time, I suppose. Biomedical research is largely in big cities after all. Coming back home is kinda a bummer, but I need a moment to rest and refocus after everything that's been going on and the relative lack of jobs in this field.

[icy pagoda]

do remember to enjoy uni, you're supposed to have fun

[vapid violet]

not my experience at all, yes that happens, no thats not what "everybody" in college is doing

[open ivy]

Yes that is key, good social networks are enjoyable to be in and don't have bad hangovers.

[open ivy]

Were more kids interested in making cool things at your school? That was a minority where I went although it wasn't super rare.

[vapid violet]

Video games are big at my school, but there are lots of people making cool things, maybe not the majority. But I am quite confident that 90% of the students are getting drunk all the time

[spark arrow]

hey guys

[open ivy]

That is quite good to have so many people making stuff. I don't think any school is literally "90% getting drunk" that is just a stereotype and I was exaggerating. However, I would say at my school less than 10% were seriously building things outside of their coursework. And I would also say that the drunk wild parties were the most visible, and were short-term lonliness relief valve at the expense of saving energy for better kinds of connection.

So for the high quality career-building connections it takes more digging, and that is something I am only just getting good at now.

[glad pawn]

Are advertising allowed

[fringe sphinx]

No

[glad pawn]

Alr

[proud glacier]

you can showcase your Python projects in #1468524576479641744, but other forms of advertising are not allowed

[steady violet]

if we're tlaking about cs it's probably like less than 3% in modern times

[next berry]

The people in my undergrad who partied the most ended up having the best networks post-education.

Anecdotal evidence sure, but I really dislike the trope that partying is somehow lesser than other kinds of connection.

[solid parcel]

Funnily enough, not just anecdote! There have been a few recent studies pointing to similar conclusions (IIRC, the specific finding was that drinking was positively correlated with future earnings, and the researchers believed this was primarily due to the benefit networking effect).

Specifically moderate drinking rather than heavy drinkers or teetotalers

[hearty fractal]

Hi Can I ask for advice what should I do as beginner in python and programming and also not to do

[smoky quest]

In terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[hearty fractal]

?

[smoky quest]

is there a question?

[hearty fractal]

I dont really understand sorry

[smoky quest]

What is it that you don't really understand and are sorry about?

[hearty fractal]

I am sorry because I don’t want to waste your time g and also I don’t understand what you mean terms of career and degree I thought you don’t need a degree

[smoky quest]

No need to apologize. I am more than happy to help!

A degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation. So not getting a degree means you are choosing a path of far greater difficulty with lower compensation and lower opportunities.

Right now, each job ad receives thousands of applications, most of which with awesome degrees, great internships and fantastic projects.
Recruiters only have time to call back the top 10-20 out of these thousands of candidates.
So without a degree, you need a great plan to stand out.

[hearty fractal]

Oh ok thanks for The advice

[short robin]

Quick advice how much should i charge to teach neural networks and machine learning online its a intermediate somewhat in depth course going over a lot on how to build basic machine learning models for optimizing and performing tasks and ive been trying to cut this down into a 12 segment/ lecture course each being 60-90 minutes long so far ive been charging 49.99 and other think its a good price is it too low of a price type of good or not because i wanna know if this should be upped a lot as i havent seen a lot of courses on platforms like udemy brilliant for these interactive classes im offering

[smoky quest]

is it a live class or not?
do you provide feedback or other live activities?
how does your class compare to similar classes on udemy?

[short robin]

this is a live class and students have the option to schedule live calls with me after classes or later on as part of the course and i feel like most other classes i have found on udemy are much shorter and dont as indepth when i look at their pages overview

[smoky quest]

are you charging 49.99 per lecture or for the whole set?

[short robin]

the whole set... should i be charging per lecture kinda new to this teaching thing ive taught at my school but not online for payment

[smoky quest]

There are two main ways to price yourself:

• Based on the value you generate for our customer
• Based on your cost + margin

So here, you are charging 50$ for 12h of your time per class. That means you have an hourly rate of 4.16$/h times number of student per class. Remove from that your cost (transportation, equipment, taxes, insurance, etc.) for profitability.
So you can either increase how much you charge, or how many students you can handle at a given time (which has an impact on the quality of the teaching.

And you mentioned, you are teaching an advanced topic, which could be worth more

(but also more advanced topics will reduce the pool of potential students)

In the end, there is no single number or answer. Try things, see what works, try to advertise different numbers and see what sticks.

[short robin]

who says im gonna file this on my taxes

a long 3 prompt conversation with chatgpt said to charge 69.99 at first until i get my first group of students and then bump it up 90-120 and then record lessons and get a lot more students and charge 149.99

[next berry]

You have to file this

[icy pagoda]

do you have any credibility record btw? some (decently known) university professor/deep industry experience etc?

[short robin]

nothing from a university but i have several ML programs and ive been studying around this for almost 2 years now

[icy pagoda]

i meant, are you a PhD/professor/have experience?

[solid parcel]

Live classes are only really valuable if the person they're providing access to has deep expertise. With a couple of years experience and no professional record or academic credentials, that's going to be a hard sell

[short robin]

no i dont have a phd this a more intermediate course looking at the base of neural networks not incredibly in depth ML projects

[solid parcel]

At that point, the question becomes does the live access of your course provide a high enough value premium to compete with cheaper (albeit not live) beginner courses created by renowned industry figures like Andrew Ng? By all means give it a go, but the lack of a track record will likely make it hard going.

[short robin]

gotta make a track record to promote later ig thats why i wanna start cheap and once i get a good base up the cost when i prove my value

[dapper eagle]

Do you guys think AI could decrease the demand or pay of programmers / coders in the next few years or decades?

[short robin]

definetely within a decade

[dapper eagle]

Would It be worth seeking a career in comp sci then?

[sand patio]

we can't predict the future, but there will likely continue to be demand for competent engineers

[short robin]

its actually happening right now software engineers were the 2nd most laid off job in america last year not including government jobs from the shutdown

[dapper eagle]

Really?? Software engineers

[sand patio]

and for what it's worth I think if we get to the point where software engineers are completely replaced by AI, not many other white collar jobs would be safe either

[dapper eagle]

I thought they would’ve been up recently

[sand patio]

there's a lot of reasons why layoffs are happening, it's not exclusively do to AI

the market just isn't great right now regardless

[dapper eagle]

Damn that’s still insane computer science was always a high demand career

[sand patio]

there will likely continue to be demand for competent engineers

[short robin]

AI will most liikely always be a major piece in the future market regardless of what field its in so i think if you want to do something related to comp sci go into the field of neural networks and machine learning because their will always be a demand for AI engineers

just my opinion though

[dapper eagle]

Forcing yourself into a certain field for demand kinda sucks

[sand patio]

i think it's difficult to tell you whether or not it's worth pursuing software engineering as a career. we can't predict what the market will look like in ten years, but it's worth noting that as of right now, in the United States, while the market isn't great I definitely don't think anyone's wasting their time getting a CS degree, or that they're all screwed.

[short robin]

not necessarily if you dont play the market nothing good gonna come out of what you know ive seen someone that took a college class called developmental math and it quite literally was basic math like + - and fractions

[sand patio]

it's worth noting that a lot of AI related positions might require graduate study

[dapper eagle]

That just seems like sped math

[sand patio]

i don't think you'll be landing any research positions or anything without that

[short robin]

🧐 ohhh really

[sand patio]

what do you want to do?

[dapper eagle]

Well notbjng good would come out of sped math classes

[dapper eagle]

Idk yet To be honest. I’m new to programming like extremely new

[short robin]

exactly like how if you dont take classes that would develop skills that are valueable in the market theres no point in developmental math classes

[dapper eagle]

That’s a good point I’d suppose

[solid parcel]

Do you actually have any professional experience? This is a very blunt take that I feel is pretty flawed. The premise is a reasonable starting point, the conclusion feels like a significant jump.

[sand patio]

idk how often employers are going to be looking at the specific classes you took in your undergrad

your skills are probably better demonstrated through projects and work experience

[short robin]

its just my opinion that ive concluded because Ai has been all over the news and in articles on its role in the market its just what i think will happen this AI bubble could pop if they come to a stopping point in the scaling of Ai which could happen but from what i have seen i think that is what could happen

[sand patio]

you do still need to fulfill your degree requirements

[short robin]

i would take that developmental math class

[solid parcel]

Right, I'd advise avoiding definitive claims like 'definitely within a decade'

[icy pagoda]

not many other white collar jobs. automating automation will be a massive cascade

[balmy mural]

So, reason for this interview isn't the great news I was expecting. They envision the role as a more fullstack role, and my experience is mostly in backend. So I'm lacking a bit on their frontend stack. They do still want to extend me an offer, but as a junior.
My target salary is within their medior payscale, but above junior payscale. They have salary bands linked to function that they'll also share with me.
If the offer itself looks decent (getting it later today), I might be willing to take it if I can negotiate and get it in contract that we do a salary/title review in 6 months instead of end of year. Because I do feel like I can scale up my front end knowledge to what they need within 6 months. Especially if I put some time towards that on weekends. I would likely keep applying to other jobs in case something better comes along before those 6 months are up, but I'd obviously have less time to apply, interview, and upskill in what I want.

Any opinions on taking the job vs leaving it for more time to keep interviewing? Anything else I could mention to them once I have the contract that I can push for/towards except for a salary/title review after 6 months?

Bit of additional context, I immigrated here (Netherlands) recently, partner can sustain us for a while without me having a job, but I would prefer to get a job asap so that there's less financial strain.

[solid parcel]

It's easier to land a role when you're already in one. I'd see if you can negotiate to a mid level position. There's some good stuff online about framing in terms of scope of responsibility, experience, impact and so on to help you advocate for that. Sorry for this being so high level, got an interview myself in just over an hour!

[near ocean]

Frontend isnt that difficult to pick up, a lot of resources online
What you should be wary of is, they say fullstack but do they actually mean frontend monkey?

[fringe sphinx]

Well said. Full stack can mean many things. It can mean: everyone is expected to be able to handle any issue assigned. Or, you work on features from end to end. Or, they really just need a lot of front end work and the backend part is minimal. Or whatever

[balmy mural]

I'll see if I can clarify the exact responsibilities a bit more. Based on my target salary being inside their medior range, I don't think it's really a frontend monkey job, but good to get clarification on that.
If more frontend monkey type of role, I'll likely reject. If more balanced type of role, I'll maybe see if I can push for medior. I think it would be a hard sell though. Their backend stack doesn't quite line up with what I am experienced with, so I'm going to need a bit of ramp up time on that as well

[next berry]

An unfortunate reality for those who weren't raised with the privilege of choosing a career based on their interests

[balmy mural]

How/why would it be easier to land a role when you're already in one?

[dapper eagle]

I mean yeah

You also can’t just choose a career you ahev to actually be passionate and hard working to get employment

[next berry]

This is an incredibly degrading term, politely requesting you not to use it

[dapper eagle]

It stands for special education….

[fringe sphinx]

Personally, I wouldn't be so worried about it. Most jobs are what you make of them: you can shape your area of focus once you start.

[next berry]

Sure, and the shortened version is used in a degrading way

[dapper eagle]

Am I using it in a degrading way?

[fringe sphinx]

That is certainly degrading, whether full or shortened. I agree with them.

[fringe sphinx]

It's an old wisdom saying, but I guess reasoning is: you're meeting more people regularly just by working, so networking is boosted. Employers will see you as more valuable: in demand. You'll have a bit more patient to play the long game: wait for the right job, etc.

[balmy mural]

Small company, so won't really network much.
Flip side of the coin, wouldn't it look like a bit of a red flag if I'm applying 1 month into a new job already?

It would also be a medior -> junior position on my CV. Especially if I end up not sticking around long enough to drop the junior title

[next berry]

Adverse selection: someone has already given you a job and you have kept it, so it's more likely (by whichever measure) that you'll be qualified to get another offer and keep it

Well the adverse selection being that, if you don't currently have employment, there may be a reason no one else wants to hire you. Not a great line of thinking but still

[balmy mural]

Well, I have 3 years of previous experience. And no current employment is pretty obviously explained by me immigrating. So I don't quite feel like either of those would fit where they could have been a bad line of thinking if I was still in the same country, it would just be illogical now imo

[fringe sphinx]

It's a red flag if it occurs multiple times in a row, a single short job is not a big deal. But, who knows, maybe you'll like the job!

[fringe sphinx]

Many people don't list the official title on their resume and just list the role.

ie: say 'software engineer' rather than whatever the exact HR title was

[balmy mural]

Yea, maybe I will like the job. Based on our previous interviews, I am interested in working on the product.
It does just feel like a bit of a gut punch to take the step backwards to a junior position. Even if I could get that reviewed and potentially adjusted back up to medior within 6 months (or 9 months at end of the year if they won't do 6 months, but I do think a 6 month limit is going to be a hard cap for me)

[fringe sphinx]

Is the salary acceptable?

If it is, don't stress whatever they call the job. It's all a fugazi, to quote matthew mcconaughey

[balmy mural]

Still waiting on the official offer. Just had a meeting today to discuss since they didn't want to blindside me with a junior offer when I applied for a medior position. Exact value wasn't disclosed in that meeting, I'll get it in the email offer.
Salary is going to be less than what I'm aiming for, but my target salary is within their medior band. I'll get a document with "job functions : salary bands" with the offer so that I can get an idea of what they'd expect from me to reach the salary I wanted

[fringe sphinx]

(I don't know what "medior" means, btw)

[balmy mural]

mid level. Between junior and senior

[static hedge]

Hi guys!

[small nexus]

is there money in specefic python freelance without AI/ML or data science ?

[near ocean]

The word doesnt exist but it makes so much sense for it to

[static hedge]

I built a holograms and gesture controlled website just like movies yesterday:) (you can try it too) , anyone also have an interest in building?

[balmy mural]

It's actually standard terminology in the Netherlands

[near ocean]

But dutch is just a weird language

[fast fossil]

mid engineer

[slender spindle]

This is one of the best books to read to boost your career. It’s exactly what you need to know to avoid AI job loss.

[fleet iris]

will nepotism get you job

[peak halo]

if you know someone who can hire you nepotistically, sure.

[fleet iris]

won't there be a usual hiring and interview process? its not 100% sure?

[peak halo]

depends on the company and the situation and the nepotizer's influence.

just so we're having a meaningful conversation here: what do you think nepotism is?

[fleet iris]

i was talking about securing job in a company by the influence of some friends or relatives

[fringe sphinx]

Networking != nepotism.

[fleet iris]

networking can be done outside university? should i turn into a average linkedin poster

[peak halo]

you're switching questions abruptly?

[fleet iris]

yes. i am totally clueless

[peak halo]

the relationships you'll form by "networking" on linkedin will probably be superficial.
you should form relationships by actually working with people who can vouch for your abilities.

[fringe sphinx]

My usual advice -
Prepare the best resume you can
Network - don't "ask for jobs" - talk to people, learn their history, ask abuot their work experience, etc. You never know who might know someone who knows someone
Apply to jobs, even in adjacent roles (like testing or operations)

[fleet iris]

alright

getting out of university without having any internship is going to hurt

but still i will try networking

i heard that its the first job which is the most difficult to get

[fringe sphinx]

networking is also just what humans should do. Meet people. Talk to people. Be interested in their stories. etc.

[fleet iris]

i will use online networking, not sure about how to do it offline

[fast fossil]

go to events
for example, the city I'm in has these networking sort of events where some startup people will pitch their ideas and present stuff

[fleet iris]

and having gap years during or after graduation is bad?

for personal projects

[fleet iris]

what if there is a handicap issue, am pretty sure i can't but i will try

[fast fossil]

handicap issue? surely events typically would happen in public(ish) spaces with at least some accessibility support

[fleet iris]

yeah i will try anyway i just need to carry a stick

and its so difficult for me start a conversation in real life

[fast fossil]

make it flashy and there's a conversation starter
"yo, cool stick, dude"

there's that time Dr House carried a flamey stick

[urban hazel]

hello

[fringe sphinx]

In my experience, tech meetups are inclusive. Some are held in fairly normal classroom or lecture hall environments.

[urban hazel]

need some advice on problem scoping and buildng apps that generate revenue. im a pretty good programmer and can buil web apps, desktop apps and mobile apps. How to find ideas?

[fringe sphinx]

User groups and the like, where there's a technical presentation rather than just a social setting, are my preferred type.

[urban hazel]

some help might be appreciated

[fleet iris]

go to reddit appideas thread

https://www.producthunt.com/ this website has lot products you can take inspiration from

[viscid chasm]

I'd look it up too, thanks

[near ocean]

Have you ever been? These sorts of events sound like grifter cryptoscammer general

[fast fossil]

I signed up for one, overslept it (it was in the evening, but anyway, was weird sleep schedule at the time)
signed up for another one (attendance is free though), that was yesterday I think, well, I went a bit too late, so didn't get to see much at all, lol
surely third time's the charm whenever it comes up (it's like one event that has like multiple "editions", like pycon across the years, but at a smaller timeframe, idk, like a series or whatever, but like each is an individual event, they're just called the same basically, whatever, I digress)

but from what I have gathered, this past event, there was like a guy talking about his experience and then there was some incubator type people presenting grants they give out to startups and such (idk, that's what I heard retold to me when I got there)

but for that first one I missed entirely, a friend of mine went, did not sound very crypto to me, the one guy that was there that time was apparently talking about how he's using AI to translate books into some African language and seeling those locally there and some other such similar startup kind of founders

I mean, perahps, AI is the new crypto, lol
(inb4 AI blockchain)

[short robin]

mb

[glad pawn]

Yo

[smoky quest]

of all the things I said, that's the only thing you noted 😅

unless you plan on pocket money, reporting taxes and doing things properly would save you more

[rough yew]

I am a CSE student skilled in AI, development & UX | Open for internships and apprenticeships| GitHub profile https://github.com/Hari-Prasad-7676

[open ivy]

This is not the place to ask for jobs. Do you want us to review your profile for advice as to how to improve it?

[rough yew]

yeah i want a review... also i don't need a job but an internship where i can learn and get more exposed

[merry ledge]

i've been doing research into IBM and it seems they are known for tons of layoffs every year. Is this something I should be concerned about in accepting the job? if i move to an expensive city for an entry role and i lose it early i will be unrecoverable

[short robin]

well i have never filed taxes and i dont have a job outside of something that isnt self owned so irs might not be paying attention to that i ran a lawn company over the summer made 4k and pocketed every last bit of it i also made it within 2 months so huge success for starting out

what do y'all know about being a failed entrepreneur tho

[smoky quest]

every large company will have had layoffs at some point

[smoky quest]

failure is how you learn

if you only do things where you succeed, then you didn't learn anything since it was too easy

[short robin]

atleast i make more than this guy i know who genuinely plays those mobile game ads for like 2$ a day

[steady violet]

what does "skilled in ai" mean

[short robin]

he probably meant he has a lot of projects developing AI i would assume

[rough yew]

i have built a few based on ai

[short robin]

do you use imported libraries when making your AI projects

[rough yew]

i integrated ollama model with the basic python code which work like a chatbot based on the emotions you express via text

[merry ledge]

idk, IBM been doing extra. They layed off many of their seniors and replaced them with juniors

[steady violet]

i think a good first step could be to familiarize yourself with git, since it seems like based off of your commit patterns that you dont use git

[short robin]

do you use imported libraries or stuff like that because rn ive been doing stuff just going barebones no existing libraries for help i think ive learned a lot more doing it

[smoky quest]

and they are also hiring juniors

IBM is also tends of thousands of engineers

IBM is the largest industrial research organization in the world, with 19 research facilities across a dozen countries

Number of employees
264,300 (2025)

[rough yew]

most of the logic and structure was built manually, i didn’t rely on libraries

[short robin]

now thats what i like

[rough yew]

and later i integrated it with a llm known as ollama which is again free unlike other llms' for which you will have to pay

[merry ledge]

still scary when they measure layoffs in the percentages

[smoky quest]

why would it be scary?

what would make it not scary?

[merry ledge]

if i get laid off in my first year i will not have the savings or the experience to get another job

[merry ledge]

a better business model

[smoky quest]

and how would a percentage be any more scary?

[smoky quest]

If there was a better business model, people would already be doing it.

Asking for a better business model is like asking for a world with only peace, no war, everyone is happy and does not have to work. And no death and illness.
Me too I want a poney

[open ivy]

I think you have a point that more and more tech geeks are struggling.

Makes me wonder where all this extra talent will go?

[muted fog]

@craggy wave how’s the cloud/devops demand in the Netherlands?

[dapper matrix]

Hey Guys, i am completely new to tech, and started learning python by the end of last year.
Lately i came in touch with some who say that beginners shouldn't look for python, to land a tech job.. your thoughts?

[solid parcel]

Without more context, that sounds like an odd take from them. Python is broadly used and a fairly easy language to learn. Were they perhaps saying that Python knowledge alone wouldn't be sufficient to land a job?

[dapper matrix]

They always say that the WebDev road (html, css, js) would be more advantageous to land a job..

[solid parcel]

Front end web dev has been a fairly saturated market for years now. I don't particularly agree with them. Do you have a degree or any existing experience, even in a non tech field? It's a tough time to try and break in (even if you target something less saturated than front-end)

[dapper matrix]

Yes i do have a degree, but it's useless, let's be real..

[solid parcel]

Ha, what's the degree?

[dapper matrix]

History...

[solid parcel]

Not the most applicable then for sure, though I wouldn't underestimate how high leverage being able to articulate yourself effectively and precisely can be for an engineer. Nor the ability to pull together multiple strands of information to form a complete picture.

[dapper matrix]

You can add to that that i am multilingual..

[solid parcel]

There we go! That can be a sizeable boon given how many orgs have multi-national operations

If you can give some context on what your goals are, it'll be easier for people to give targeted advice. I.e. Why are you wanting to get into tech? Do you have any idea what kind of role you want to do, or what kind of work you enjoy?

[dapper matrix]

I'm not gonna lie, i want into tech, looking for better job opportunities.

But while learning python, especially after my first multilingual project (mini vocabulary trainer) i really enjoyed it.

As naive as it sounds chatgpt always recommends me nlp as a field🤣

[peak halo]

What is nlp according to your current understanding?
Do not look anything up to answer this question as it would defeat the purpose of asking.

[dapper matrix]

Natural language processing..

[peak halo]

That's just expanding the acronym.

[dapper matrix]

Stuff like speech recognition,generating texts by llms.. just to name a few fields..

[peak halo]

right
I was just making sure you didn't think it was just prompting LLMs, since a lot of people who think they're interested in pursuing NLP think it's just that.

[peak halo]

would you consider going to grad school for CS?

[dapper matrix]

If i have to do it, so i will.

[mortal wedge]

I’m taking a CS masters course rn from a engineering undergrad. Just had to find one that took performance based admissions

[languid gust]

when you guys say on your resume how much you have contributed to a repo, do you guys use 3 month period or 6 month

[smoky quest]

whatever makes the most sense

also note that context is everything

[exotic zinc]

Hi

What do I need to get into game development and design

[smoky quest]

A degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[exotic zinc]

What exactly do I need to get this degree

[smoky quest]

you would study

[exotic zinc]

I just googled it and I currently have mostly of the require ment besides coding

Is there a channel I can ask for help with coding

[smoky quest]

#❓｜how-to-get-help is a good starting point

[hearty island]

so i did the first round interview at coinbase
it's gonna be
9 interviews in total
3 diff assessments sprinkled throughout
total salary is non negotiable, $130K with $30k equity vested quarterly

i am lowk hesitant about moving to such a crypto focused firm simply bc of volatility and i haven't stayed at my present firm long enough imo

[hearty island]

did this get a moyai bc i said non-negotiable

[smoky quest]

9 interviews is a lot

full time interviewee

[hearty island]

correct full time interviews, this is for a trade surveillance role

i think they're being ridiculous tbh

[smoky quest]

I mean, you keep doing interviews anyway

[hearty island]

not true, i've actually turned em down for a while since i've been at my current firm.
but something has changed here lowk

[smoky quest]

congrats?

[hearty island]

lol what

[solid parcel]

When you say 9 in total, is this because they do a loop of 4 or 5 on a single day?

[vocal river]

Hello all 👋, is there anyone looking for a experienced developer?

[proud glacier]

@vocal river
hello!
unfortunately this server is not the place to look for work -- please check the rules.

[solid parcel]

It's not their first time asking, either. I assume anyone with a ! at the start of their name and a bio full of crypto BS is a bot. It's an annoying trend I see across a fair few tech servers

[stark crow]

Anytime!

[cosmic stag]

Hey there!

[solid parcel]

Speaking of bots...

[next berry]

Not sure how a crypto exchange is exposed to vol in the underlying

[hearty island]

volatility in terms of career stability

[tame bough]

yo @sour tartan I live on the east coast in the US where they pay good for entry level SWEs

[sour tartan]

nice, I am in Boston

[tame bough]

I live near you than just a couple of states away

[ember iris]

Y'all two should meet then

[sour tartan]

the other points are still important: you are competing with lots of people, and those people might have credentials.

[tame bough]

that part is true which is why I have to create projects that standout and also show that I know the fundementals of SWE also an example is networking its all about who you know

[vernal widget]

every other candidate has all that + a degree + most likely internship experience

[sour tartan]

if you can create something truly noteworthy, and get people to look at it, you might be ok. You will need connections, another thing that college can be good for.

[tame bough]

I have internship experience also

[tame bough]

yeah but I just dont want to spend alot of money going to a freaking college that can be useless when I can do a trade program and make decent pay

[vernal widget]

thats a good point you should mention in your resume
what did you intern as ? what did you do during your internship ?

[sour tartan]

"trade program" doesn't sound great on a resume. I'm not saying it can't be done, just that it might be hard.

[tame bough]

i am keeping it vauge since I really dont want people knowing what trade program I got accepted into

[ripe stone]

Also more often than not recruiters aren't trained IT-experts. They know how to read applications and filter them out, but they won't (be able to) review your GitHub / projects.

[sour tartan]

can you say more about the internships you've had?

[tame bough]

I was talking to the founder of boot.dev and he told me that over 50% of the devs he worked with didnt have CS degrees

[true harness]

what did you do?

[sour tartan]

how did he find them?

[tame bough]

he worked with them on the job

[sour tartan]

on which job? How did those people get that job?

[vernal widget]

so , they were hired at least 7-8 years ago ? job market was very different back then

[true harness]

college can be very affordable (community college into state school is a common route), and debt can be easily paid off if you make the most of it and get a decent job afterwards. I paid for college with the internships I got while I was there

[vernal widget]

in today's job market , having a degree counts as bare minimum

[tame bough]

thats true but its like why bother doing that

[vernal widget]

sure you can do it without bare minimum , but those are exception cases and not something you should think is nromal

[sour tartan]

i'm not sure if you want our feedback. I don't mean to lecture you.

[true harness]

the reasons are being given to you: better employability, networking, better learning (maybe), internship opportunities

[tame bough]

this is how I feel

[sour tartan]

sorry, what is how you feel?

[vernal widget]

just do a simple survey
look at people who were hired to the jobs you want to do in the past 1-2 years and look at how many of them have degrees vs how many dont

[tame bough]

I can network without going to college and the program that I am attending has connections to big corporations that work with the fellows from the program.

[sour tartan]

you don't have to defend your plan if you don't want to. we can stop.

[tame bough]

I understand where you guys are coming from

[true harness]

no one is saying that what you are trying is impossible. but college makes it easier. some would say it is the easiest path with the most opportunities and compensation

[tame bough]

that part can be true and to be honest it all depends on the person

[true harness]

of course. but if you look at the statistics, the overwhelming majority of software developers have had some college

https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2025/developers#2-educational-attainment

[tame bough]

@sour tartan if I may can I send you a private message

[sour tartan]

sure

[tame bough]

check your dms

[fast fossil]

some would even go on to say it's a the path of least resistance

[ripe stone]

networking
😢

First semester was nice, then covid hit and I lost contact all people I met in uni.
After Covid was over I never managed to recover... Only during my Bachelor's thesis did I eventually meet some people again whom I could talk with.

[tame bough]

for squarespace as an example they dont need you to have a CS degree for entry level work I can do that from the program I applied to and than transfer to another company

[fast fossil]

yes, but surely you wouldn't be the only one applying, there'd be people applying that do have a degree

[tame bough]

yes so I will have to make sure I standout but theoretically speaking it is possible

[fast fossil]

well, from what I've heard here, it's practically impossible (and I don't mean literally impossible of course and also it's within the context of the current job market)

[peak halo]

positions that explicitly don't require a degree will probably get so many applicants that luck becomes a major factor in which applicants actually get reviewed by a human.

[true harness]

it's not about whether it's possible. it's about giving yourself a better chance

[peak halo]

the other issue is: at some point, you have to get a job. it would be unwise to spend a year upskilling for a career that you have a 0.1% chance of actually starting.

[fast fossil]

yk, if you upskill hard enough, the expected value might even turn favorable /s

[tame bough]

it all depends on the situation more so the country

[tame bough]

it can depend to be honest different things without going the traditional route can also give me a fighting chance

I do not mean to bash your opinions I understand you guys and I can agree with your views

[true harness]

I am also based on the east coast; I am just telling you my observations. the different things you are trying are not limited to the people without a degree. the people in college are also trying to build projects that standout, doing extra programs on the side, certifications, and so on

[tame bough]

same with me I am mentioning what I observe I understand your view

a CS degree can be useful depending on the job maybe maybe not

[true harness]

but what are these observations based on?

[vernal widget]

nor does any major FAANG company or any other "big" companies afaik , but are people getting hired in t oday's job market without a degree ? dont think so

[tame bough]

I spoke to actual people who did different trade programs and were able to find success in software jobs I know people personally who were able to find a SWE job with out college

[fast fossil]

presumably this might be one of their data points #python-discussion message

[vernal widget]

you are thinking "if i just try hard , if i just be better than everyone , if i just do everything better , they have no option but to hire me" , and while that might work , you will be disappointed when u see the actual reality

[tame bough]

ok like I said it all depends

the job market is changing like for Microsoft I noticed that they hire entry level SWE without CS degrees they do mainly focus on practical skills

[vernal widget]

google has double digit percentage of people who dont have a degree and work there
but all of this is irrelevent in today's job market

you are competing against hundreds of people with exactly the same desire and fire as you but they have the edge over you because they have a degree

99% of people dont even get to the point of explaining their resume , they get rejected in the resume screening phase

and in today's age , you can bet that the resume has passed through some sort of automated checking system at which point its not even a huamn rejecting your resume

[tame bough]

Someone who works at JP Morgan did the program that I am starting in the fall and was able to score a job with them. More so considering the program has connections to big corporations and she had an amazing resume + projects.

[true harness]

what about the people that did the program that didn't get a job?

[tame bough]

the trade program that I am doing over 80% of the fellows had success finding a job after the program that is why I am only wanting to try it out.

[vernal widget]

from what i can recall , no one has said "you cant ever get a job without a degree" , im sure every single person in this conversation has acknowledged that it is possible to do it without degree, its just not as easy and straightforward as you think it is, at least in today's market

[true harness]

that's quite high. is there a timeframe attached?

[tame bough]

I understand that and I am saying there can be ways to standout and have a good competitive advantage compared to people with traditional education

I am not trying to bash you guys and your opinions I respect and understand that

[vernal widget]

do you have a link to the said trade program ? its a billion dollar company , so everything is public anyway
i would be curious to read more about this program that almost gurantees a software job at JP morgan after just attending it

[tame bough]

it doesnt just say JP Morgan it also says other companies that they have connections to. It all matters on who you know and your skill set.

[vernal widget]

so you are saying there is a bootcamp , that takes in people , who dont have a college degrees and they have connections to companies to like JP morgan and that program has 80% acceptance rate ?
if i dont see it firsthand , for me , that would fall under the category of scam

[tame bough]

they are like a bootcamp but not the traditional kind

[vernal widget]

what is a traditional bootcamp according to you and what does the trade program do differently ?

[ocean arch]

Hi

[tame bough]

where certain bootcamps can take about 3-4 months to complete this one takes a year and the reason why because they make sure that the fellows hone in their skills and be able to get a good job.

[near ocean]

what is this bootcamp called

[ocean arch]

I am new to this server

[ember iris]

What projects and things should i do to not to stay unemployed and get good decent payment to live a life without a COLLEGE DEGREE?

I am interested to work in python, I don't have done much projects and mostly are simple to nothing, just beginners stuff.

[peak halo]

hello and welcome. this is the career discussion channel, so make sure all your mesages here are about that. #python-discussion is the main channel.

[vernal widget]

bootcamps have different durations , i have heard of a year long bootcamp as well
but again , 80% acceptance rate to companies like JP morgan without a college degree is exceptionally high
do you have a link to the said trade program?

[ocean arch]

Oh Ok

[peak halo]

given the current job market, if you're certain that getting a degree is off the table, I would pursue a different career.

[ember iris]

Getting a college degree sucks since it's not teaching anything, introduced non core subjects, everything is just rote learning and vomiting on white paper. And freaking worse. I am leaving it this year

[vernal widget]

if there is actual trade program like this and it delievers on what it says , i would like to join the trade program and make 110k a year myself 😂

[ember iris]

So programming is not an appropriate option for me ?

[peak halo]

there are limited openings for entry-level developer positions, and even new CS graduates are struggling to find jobs. you won't be able to out-compete those graduates.
that doesn't mean you shouldn't learn python--it can be very helpful for any computer-facing job.

[near ocean]

why wont they share the name of the bootcamp, is this gatekeeping?

[vernal widget]

the program probably doesnt exist
if it does , it doesnt do what it says

[tame bough]

yes since I kinda want to keep it private for now

[near ocean]

ok so it doesnt exist then

[tame bough]

whatever man your opinion

[near ocean]

imagine if we gatekept other things, like this server

[vernal widget]

i think they just made the program up to sound more belivable about "my friend got hired without a degree"

[left sedge]

How to get job?

[ember iris]

I am trying to find a college or something which can get me a CS/IT degree. Not so far away from my living home + is actually good in teaching, not like teaching you old stuff and doesn't have non core subjects to study. Purely focused on what i should learn and progress into to prepare myself for a job.

[peak halo]

(nitpick: opinions are about things that are subjective. whether or not something exists is objective, so it's a matter of belief)

[tame bough]

I mean its your view I could care less I am providing an example

[peak halo]

it's pretty hard right now, but the best way is to go to a university for computer science (or similar), get involved on campus, apply for internships, etc.

[vernal widget]

dont you think talking with the instructors of the said program would be much more beneficial than talking to anonymous random people on discord ?
if the course does exist and does what it says , i say blindly take the course and if you have the drive you said , you will have no problem in getting a job

[fast fossil]

(or you can also attend that special trade school)

[left sedge]

I have post graduated from computer applications & completed 3 internships. Still I am unemployed from 5 months

[fast fossil]

why though?

[ember iris]

Should my legal name be used on github and elsewhere where i show my projects and works? Or any made up name (appropriate btw) is fine as long as i can prove it anytime its me?

[true harness]

it doesn't matter

[vernal widget]

as long as its appropriate , your employer shouldnt care if its your legal name or a random name

[peak halo]

you can post an anonymized version of your resume in this channel for review.

[tame bough]

because I want to

[ember iris]

How about my current name?

Its made up btw xD, not legal/real one

[tame bough]

you mentioned go have a CS degree I am giving different examples

[vernal widget]

i dont know who aji romson is, is it a character or smth ?

and no, i dont think it will matter

[ember iris]

Interesting. Idk, my brain randomly picked it up since it was unique and didn't say already used name

[vernal widget]

#career-advice message
#career-advice message

[icy pagoda]

i saw one called "tripleten" in a cherno video (idk if it's legit but i doubt it)

[balmy mural]

They got back to me. They want to put me on the bottom range of their medior (mid level) salary band. Salary is about 18% lower than what I was targeting, and about 10% lower than the soft minimum salary I would accept I've had in mind.
Going to ask if I can respond after 27th (going on a holiday from Friday until then). Then I'll negotiate for a higher base (going to ask a bit higher than the minimum number in my brain), and if that's not possible, a review in 6 months with clear expectations for progression

[split carbon]

Hello, I am currently doing my Integrated Mtech software engineering in INDIA 3rd year 2nd semester and I have 2 more years before I get my degree. I always do what I love doing and that is writing programs and exploring different technologies so I didn't have time to study my academic syllabus and scored poorly (slightly below average) . Some people I know tell me that I am just wasting my time and without a good CGPA they won't give job. Am i doing the right thing or should I start focusing on my academics more? if I focus on one thing then I am not having time to do other thing.

Any advice from your experience in the industry will be valuable for me to decide my future decisions.

[solid parcel]

I don't know many people who would claim that not having a degree stops you being a software engineer; you can certainly get into the industry without one. It's more just a matter of evaluating what it does give you and making a considered decision regarding opportunity cost. It's all tradeoffs, at the end of the day!

I know plenty of engineers that have come up through both paths.

[balmy tinsel]

So i built a piece of software for my thesis. The software is a python library for simulation piping and pumping systems. It has the basic features from a commercial software. (this is made using python code, but its very simple, and good for new users). I would like to know if you think this is worth keeping it a closed and monetized code project (to create an app with graphic interface and more features), or if its better just to leave it opensource on github. It is delivering pretty good values, and great part of those are exactly equal to thecommercial software I compared it with. It also uses a powerful solver algorithm, the Newton-Raphson one (that is also used in the commercial software).

[smoky quest]

Main steps would be to identify who would be interested by your solution and what they do today. That way you can figure out if you can provide something better

[steady violet]

if anything i would make the library open source and then build a product on top of if that would be commercialized

[gleaming wren]

Feeling stuck career-wise

[peak halo]

I'm sorry to hear that. a lot of people are feeling that way right now.
We might be able to give you some suggestions if you outline where you are in your career, what you're trying to do, and what you've already done to achieve that.

[unborn elk]

https://youtube.com/shorts/DYLknaYPewk?feature=share

[gleaming wren]

I don’t mean about being promoted. I don’t even know how to get my foot in the door. I graduated recently. I know how to study but idk how to get a job

[steady violet]

what have you tried so far?

[peak halo]

My question had a few parts. Please answer all of them.

[gleaming wren]

I am at the very start of my career. I graduated 3 months ago. I technically do have a job but I feel I am not doing things properly. I don’t fully understand what I code. I rely on AI a lot. I try looking at documentation but I still feel lost bc so many hyperlinks. I also intend to leetcode but I end up just memorizing which only works for short-term and not feasible if I have to remember so many problems. What I have done so far is create AI agents but outputs tend to be buggy bc models are unpredictable. I spend more time trying to make a prompt more specific than actually coding. What I’m trying to do is get a CS job ideally in AI. Well, yes I have a job right now but I intend to find another one because my responsibilities are too vague and I am not really integrated into the team

[solid parcel]

A) Totally normal to feel like you don't know what you're doing. It's well known that when a new engineer joins a team, velocity actually declines. Even for experienced engineers it usually takes about 6 months just to not be a burden on the team, and often closer to a year to be genuinely productive.

B) Relying on an AI to generate code works only if you have enough understanding to be able to articulate a clear specification of your requirements, and to identify when the output from the AI either does not meet those requirements, or does so in a lacklustre manner (e.g. it may be functionally correct, but overly slow, difficult to maintain or extend, etc.). If you're finding you're struggling with that, then cutting out the AI and getting more hands on with dev work yourself is the best way to improve those skills. It takes time.

[turbid bobcat]

https://www.eu-inc.org/

coming in Q1 2027

https://youtu.be/65hR4X3X9lE

[gleaming wren]

But the thing I worry about is I’m not sure when they expect it to be done. It’s kind of informal. They just tell me to work on something and say show progress in a week or so. But then I get worried if I don’t use AI, then I won’t be able to make something full-fledged in time. In school, usually we’re given around a month or maybe even a couple months and there are clear checkpoints.

[solid parcel]

Are you not getting any input or guidance through the course of that week from the other engineers? What kinds of things are they asking you to do?

[steady violet]

i think you just need to work on personal projects on your own time and do them without the use of any agentic workflows

i didnt learn much software design from school, i just learned actual computer science fundamentals. all of my architecture and design knowledge came from me doing things on my own time

i personally think you will learn much faster and much more on your own then you will at your job. at your job you just learn what you have to to get a paycheck and a lot of the time you're underpressure to get it complete fast

[gleaming wren]

Well, I’m not given clear guidance. Sometimes, it’s make a POC similar to this competitor’s product or it’s just add some extra functions in some code they already did. I guess I should schedule more meetings with them. I feel honestly maybe I’m not “trusted” with bigger and clearer responsibilities. I’ve been told “just generate a report on some stats” which has nothing to do with coding. And recently, I’ve been told to “create a a design the way a principal engineer would” not code but it was so vague and anyways the others were already developing the app

[gleaming wren]

How do I decide on a project? I assume bc I want to get into AI, I’d have to work on agentic workflows

[solid parcel]

Sounds like they're not giving you a ton to go off. Re. the report on stats, is this a one time think they need, or something it would be useful to have the data for on a constant or recurring basis? You could consider pulling together some code to create a report rather than generating it manually.

On the 'create a design the way a principal engineer would', did they give you any guidance on what they mean by that? Examples you can look at, an idea of the order they'd recommend you approach things in... If not, I'd recommend asking them for more clarity on what they're after. I wouldn't expect it to be a task where you're diving into coding immediately, but rather working to understand and define requirements as a starting point.

[steady violet]

your development workflow is completely unrelated to the actual project you work on

[gleaming wren]

The report on stats was a one time thing that was needed for a presentation to customers.

They didn’t give clear tips. They just said look up online for examples. Then when I was confused, they instead said just recommend what are the most appropriate graphs for data we want to show. Another person was responsible for creating the graphs and was nearly done creating the whole thing when I was asked. And the whole point of making this was to replicate what they did on another platform so recommending changes didn’t really make sense

[gleaming wren]

sorry, I don’t understand

I thought the projects I put on my resume should ideally be similar to the job I’ll be applying for

[steady violet]

i feel like you should start simpler and work your way up, like make chess or something first. you said you use AI as a crutch so i assume you don't know much about a lot of CS topics like networking, routing, etc

[gleaming wren]

Yeah, I don’t know a lot. I think definitely I should start simple unfortunately

[steady violet]

ya youre gonna have to put a lot of time and effort into getting up to speed

[gleaming wren]

It’s just I never took computer networks in school. I took databases (2 courses: sql and how to create a query compiler), operating systems, full stack, ml and computer vision (I didn’t understand computer vision). I thought I don’t have to know everything. I thought the craze now is mainly knowing langchain and langgraph if I want to get into ai

[steady violet]

i mean theres some things that are applicable to most if not all niches. networking is a good example because pretty much every industry is going to have some kind of web interfacing product so you need to know how HTTP works and stuff

[gleaming wren]

But anyways, thank you to both of u for taking the time to give me advice

[short robin]

js sent a fake ss of my stripe acc to my cousin bc he thinks im ballin after i told him about me selling me 50$ course

[solid parcel]

Have you actually been managing to sell it, or is this just an idea so far? If I recall correctly, as of yesterday you didn't actually have the course finished 😆

[short robin]

i have everything setup its just a matter of making google slides for each lecture and making everything public so far

i have outline notes for what im going to teach

well for the most part

[solid parcel]

I'm seeing just a few steps between where you're at, and actually being able to monetise this 😅

[smoky quest]

Recruitment is not allowed here

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[short robin]

no recruitment

[peak halo]

!ban @tacit cosmos upwork scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @tacit cosmos permanently.

[peak halo]

If the message emphasizes "mutually beneficial arrangement" and "you need to be in the US, Canada, or Europe", just ping the mods

[smoky quest]

Got it. Thanks

[short robin]

Yes sir i will also follow the rules sir 🫡

[peak halo]

Uhh thanks

[muted bolt]

how you guys solve sleep unsynchronized period when doing tele-working on other country which very different from our site?

[peak halo]

so you're a teleworker, but you're expected to work at the same time as those in the primary location? How wide is the time difference?

[muted bolt]

no, i wasnt teleworker, i just wondering from my friend story, he need to recover himself for doing the job, maybe 7hours diffrence

[fringe sphinx]

You cannot. We don't allow recruiting or job searching here. Your post has been removed

[next rapids]

Oh ok! Thank for the info. Do you know any community where can I find someone? I can pay for advertise

[peak halo]

We don't

[next rapids]

OK thx

[smoky quest]

people will just shift their life by 7h difference

(assuming they are expected to be online during these hours)

[fluid pumice]

hi everyone i am new in this server

[peak halo]

hello and welcome to our wonderful python server! this is the career discussion channel. head to #python-discussion for general chatting about python.

[fluid pumice]

thanks for it

[open ivy]

I am caring less and less about social media as I spend less time on it. Discord doesn't count, it is a chatroom and chronological order not an addictive algorithm like Facebook. Even doxxing, online shaming/accusations, etc simply won't bother me. Because it is garbage rage bait.

Don't spend too much time on Linkedin profiles, they don't even let you embed Javascript demos! There are so many better places to meet people for networking.

[proud glacier]

Do you all typically negotiate IP assignment clauses in your employment contracts? How?

[open ivy]

Also, it is easier to be kinder, more compassionate, and more forgiving without social media toxicity.

Singling out individual and criticizing them harshly is something I can avoid almost 100% of the time. Makes me wonder how to show this trait in an interview?

[open ivy]

I had to sign an NDA for an interview once, so I guess there is that.

[keen merlin]

-51 kebab

helloworld(""print"")
fsociety = true

im mr robot btw

[regal axle]

No…. Some employers have illegal IP clauses. An employer can only claim so much. So I’ll still sign something that isn’t enforceable instead of having them remove it. (Depending on the case of course)
But I guess to be fair, I wouldn’t sign with a company that is behaving in disgusting ways. And claiming my entire existence outside of work too is disgusting behavior. Would really make me re-think their offer.

[near ocean]

No, theyre pretty standard from what i've seen

[proud glacier]

I think it's legal (depending on locale, I know California has special regulations for this for example) to claim all work produced during the employment period.

I talked to them and they agreed to exclude anything I do outside company projects, even during the employment term.

[regal axle]

If they are willing to modify their terms, great! Negotiating your contract is a normal and good practice.

[near ocean]

A company wouldnt bother with your personal projects unless they are directly influenced by your work or are direct competitors to the work product

[fringe sphinx]

US companies?

[near ocean]

Not just US companies, i've had a clause like this in the 2 contracts i signed in the UK to UK companies

[fringe sphinx]

In US, it's the norm to have work product clauses. It'd be crazy (for a company) to not have one. And, the easiest clause is a blanket "everything you produce is ours"

along with a no-moonlighting clause.

[near ocean]

Its not a real concern imo, all you have to do is not write personal project code during work hours, on work machines, using work resources and copying or being influenced by work

Which is also why you should ask for work resources if they have a hybrid work plan

No working from your own machines, ever

[proud glacier]

I'm working for an Indian company, but I was just curious about what terms most people had.

Or rather, I know that the standard clause is the blanket one, and I was curious if people here just signed that or objected to it.

[smoky quest]

This varies by state and even country!
To note that in California, it's not just based on employment period. It's based on three factors where a company can claim IP if any of these are true:

• Done during employment time
• Has used any company resource
• There is a relationship with the business
  And some companies might still base their employment contract from the California one, even if you are located in a different state.

The three factors above are quite generic and I have seen them used in a similar fashion in other countries as well

In addition to the IP assignment, there is usually also another page where you can write down your pre-existing inventions. I have heard various opinions on it, but I use that part to write down personal projects and other endeavors

[next plover]

The thought of the company I work for being responsible for a RAT got me crine 😭

[fringe sphinx]

My experience has been that most companies start with overly broad clauses, and then are reasonable about exceptions. Our standard agreement is overly broad, but if asked, we'll allow exceptions. What we don't want is someone producing some derivative code related to our IP and releasing it as their OSS.

[fringe sphinx]

The vagarities of this law is what causes companies to have more explicit clauses. It's easier (lazier) for the company to just say: "anything you do is ours", and throw in an arbitration clause, then for them to try to prove any of those prongs. I think this is more strategic legal laziness, it means that you have to affirmatively show that the work isn't theirs vs them having to show the work is theirs. The arbitration clause is part of what makes this effective - it's an expensive endeavor.

[smoky quest]

This creates some interesting situations when it pertains to OSS work and OSS related companies that do recruit committers

[wide canyon]

Is there any “successful” individual out here that can share their story?

[peak halo]

Are you planning to model your plans around that story? If so, you should probably say what country you're in.

[wide canyon]

Not really. but if anything, I am from Brazil

[oblique swift]

Hey guys, can you share your version of how did you start to learn programming languages/CS subjects

[true harness]

I was forced to as a young child

[summer roost]

the children yearn for the assigns

[fringe sphinx]

This is probably a good explanation of how I started https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL7nj3G6Jpv2G6Gp6NvN1kUtQuW8QshBWE

[oblique swift]

Ohhhhh ok

[next plover]

Scratch.mit.edu then Minecraft cheats then python then cybersecurity basically

[oblique swift]

Ohk whoa

[vapid violet]

My dad gave me mini projects to do in scratch.mit.edu then a while later he gave me access to the book "automate the boring stuff"

then discord bots are what kept me interested

[mortal wedge]

That's awesome and yeah, I'm in california as well so similar situation. Them agreeing to excluding stuff you do outside of company projects is nice, definitely not the norm

[mortal wedge]

This is how I struck the balance. https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/news-feed-eradicator/fjcldmjmjhkklehbacihaiopjklihlgg?hl=en

Basically lets me keep up with communications and for linkedin I can still use it as a job board and respond to recruiters, but don't have to put up with the more aggressive clickbait/ragebait posts and all that

[mortal wedge]

I was always interested, but what really kick started the passion is that I got into modeling and simulation largely so I could prove people wrong in arguments. Then I wanted competitive edges in some text based multiplayer games I was playing. Then it became more noble and I wanted to contribute to the world of medicine while relying on my strengths so I'm a medtech algo engineer now.

[proud glacier]

I'm not in California myself, I just know it as an example of such regulation 😅

[quaint turret]

Is there a game coding tutorial on youtube?

[peak halo]

this is the career-discussion channel. try asking in #game-development

[neat thorn]

Hi everyone! I'm Shanker from India 🇮🇳

I'm currently pursuing my engineering degree and started learning AI about 2 months ago. So far I've covered Python, NumPy, SQL, Pandas, Matplotlib, and Seaborn.

I'm now moving into Machine Learning and planning to build ML projects soon. I’d love to connect with others who are learning too—if you're interested in learning together, feel free to reach out!

[open ivy]

Oh neat! Filtering out the Algorythim (as a politician uses the term) without filtering out opportunities to be paid designing algorythims (as a tech geek in 2000 uses the term).

[tender nymph]

Hello! I'm not sure if this necessarily counts as career advice but I'm an incoming college freshman who wants to get using Python, I'm interested in getting into data analysis but I'm not sure where exactly to begin. Any advice? I badly need it 🥲

[wild grail]

Hey guys , just want to share and ask some advice. So the organization uses slack . After hours there is no team that can handle the user requests in slack channels. The use case is to add first and second response after hours through automation . So the workflow is like simple slack app > bot > api gateway > lambda > slack

any advice here ?

[smoky quest]

sounds like what pagerduty is made for?

[wild grail]

It's been a month since i joined 😭and I did noticed that channel there . I need advice on what to explore and learn .

[wild grail]

I'm not sure

[wild grail]

But the use case is like : to automate first and second response to user requests of diff categories like : aws access , infra requests, github access , prod , dev data browser access etc . @smoky quest

[midnight epoch]

Hey everyone! I’m looking to get my Python basics solid before heading to uni. I already have a decent foundation in JavaScript (up to Data Structures) from high school, so I’m not a total beginner to coding.

Do you guys think it’s worth paying for a structured course/platform, or is YouTube enough to get to an advanced-basic level? If you have any specific favourite creators or platforms, let me know!

[vast shoal]

!learn

[inner wren]

Go-to beginner resources

Here are the top free resources we recommend for people who are new to programming:

• Automate the Boring Stuff — an online book (also available to purchase as a physical book)
• Harvard’s CS50P course — video lectures (slides and notes provided) with exercises
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 course — text-based lessons with exercises
• Corey Schafer's YouTube playlist

For a full, curated list of educational resources we recommend, please see our resources page!

[vast shoal]

I wouldn't pay for a structured course unless you try the above and find that it doesn't work for you. You can also use this server to ask for guidance and explanations of specific topics that you find challenging, or advice for how to practice.

[fair plover]

Hello, Please share a github repository that has sequential python syntax mapping for learning. I have exposure to other programming languages. I have to start RVC.

[midnight epoch]

okay tyty

[unreal musk]

Hey everyone! 👋

I'm a 2nd year AI/ML student who's starting DSA preparation for placements.

Background:

• Comfortable with Python .
• Haven't done serious DSA before (just college DS course)
• Targeting placements and internships
• Want to stay in Python since it's my strong suit

Question:
Is Python acceptable for interview prep at companies like Google, Amazon, Microsoft? Or should I learn C++/Java?

[jovial solar]

Do companies still do leetcode style interviews now?

[unreal musk]

yeah

[queen saddle]

hello

hey can anyone help me pirate a app?
namely corelDraw

[vast shoal]

!rule 5

[inner wren]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[queen saddle]

💀 apologies

[undone storm]

hahaa

help needed

class Human:
    Alive: bool = ...
    def init(self ,name:str ,skin_complexion:str ,race:str ,country:str ,age:int):
        self.name = name
        self.skin_complexion = skin_complexion
        self.race = race
        self.country = country
        self.age = age

    def Classes_Human(self):
        Information:str = f'''Attributes of '{self.name.capitalize()}'
{'=' * 21}
Name: '{self.name}'
{'-'(8 + len(self.name))}
Age: '{self.age}'
{'-'(7 + len(str(self.age)))}
Race: '{self.race}'
{'-'(8 + len(self.race))}
country:'{self.country }'
{'-'(10 + len(self.country))}
Complexion: '{self.skin_complexion}'
{'-'*(14 + len(self.skin_complexion))}'''
        for details in Information:
            print(f'''{details.capitalize()}''',end='')

class Individual(Human):
    hardworking: bool = ...
    def init(self,name ,skin_complexion, race, country, age):
        super().init(name ,skin_complexion, race, country, age)
        self.name = name
        self.skin_complexion = skin_complexion
        self.race = race
        self.country = country
        self.age = age

formI =  ''
form_II =  ''
form_III = ''
form_IV =  ''

def filldata(DformI=formI ,Dform_II = form_II ,Dform_III = form_III ,Dform_IV = form_IV):
    for keys,values in filldata.dict.items()):
        in_para = input(f'''Enter for '{keys}': ''')
        while len(in_para) != 0:
            filldata.dict.update(keys,in_para)
            break
    for upda_var in [formI,form_II,form_III,form_IV]:
        if upda_var != 0:
            print(f'{[0]}:{upda_var}')
    print(filldata.dict.items())

    # Ben = Individual(filldata.dict.keys())
    # Ben = Individual('ben','brown','asian','vietnam',17)

    # Ben.Classes_Human()

filldata()

[trim crypt]

Open a help thread at #1035199133436354600 with more details of what the problem is

[regal axle]

Yes. But it’s falling out of style.
There is a wider range of interviews styles now.
Although many still give a pre screening coding question that is similar to a leetcode easy or at worse medium.

[regal axle]

Python is used in all the major companies. And they have teams that only use Python. if you want to get into ML // data science things, Python is kinda your only option. (Unless you want to get into low level optimizations).
If you want to do other things, learn other languages.

Also, learning other languages teaches you new paradigms and that makes you a better programmer. Regardless of if you ever actually use that language.

[lone ore]

WSP CHAT

can I lean python using my tablet

like Is there any good engine here or any good simulator or even learn it without practicing just by noting and understanfing the matter and the function of langugage (bro code gonna do his job)

[normal copper]

You can, but it won't be as easy. You can learn syntax and stuff pretty easily on a tablet, but I've not seen anything for mobile or tablets that makes distribution simple. There are probably a bunch of apps for tablets for learning Python (at least for Android style tablets).

[normal copper]

Have you checked the app store?

[lone ore]

i have the samsung dex system that can trannsform the tablet to look like a pc so its bette for managment and coding in general

[peak halo]

@lone ore programming on a tablet is going to be an absolutely horrible experience unless you at least have a hard keyboard.
your best bet would probably be to write and run your scripts in a cloud environment like repl.it

[lone ore]

yeah and there is planty of useful apps to learn multiple programming language but I want to understand programming to learn the basics and understand them and like TO BE A REAL PROGRAMMER

[peak halo]

no one gets to gatekeep who is or isn't a "real programmer". but if you want to get paid to program (ie, a professional programmer), a degree in something like CS is virtually required.

[lone ore]

YEAH i HAVE A the elite cover (which is a kryboard) its pretty useful, im gonna search more abt that replit

[normal copper]

In that case, it doesn't matter the medium. Learn the basics. Code your heart away. Every time your learn something new, try to incorporate it into your code (if it makes sense). Once the basics are done, try to figure out something you want to do with it, then learn what you need to get there, choose a path, go for it.

[normal copper]

Either CS degree or a badass public GitHub portfolio showcasing your skills.

[lone ore]

thank you so much :)))))))))))))) MY friends suggested for me a free course on yt by someone called BRO CODE

[peak halo]

No--you won't even get to the point where a human looks at your GitHub if your resume doesn't make it past filtration. In the current market, applicants without a degree usually get filtered in the first step.

[lone ore]

well Ill just work on small projects alone so I dont really need thes diplomas

[peak halo]

Sure, but you almost certainly won't get a job that way.

[next plover]

Unless you're that one python core dev who dropped out of HS

[normal copper]

That's a bummer. What if someone had a mathematics degree and has done a lot of programming projects? I've seen college. It doesn't really prepare students for the real world. Hands on experience is far better.

[peak halo]

someone with a mathematics degree would probably be treated the same as someone with a CS degree for degree-verification purposes.

[normal copper]

You should probably still aim to get a degree. That piece of paper means more than ability in some people's eyes.

[peak halo]

and you're right--the most important learning for becoming a programmer is self-learning. but you still have to compete in the job market.

[lone ore]

yeah fr , but is there any like organisations or sites or anything where people take tests to get those certificates , im pretty sure that there is some people that dont need courses and want to get em

[normal copper]

You can always go the entrepreneur route and find a niche point in the market and be the one to fill that role. Then no one can tell you that you need a degree. Much easier said than done though.

[lone ore]

Life is unfair unfortunatly

[peak halo]

Certs are not an alternative to a degree.

[lone ore]

ahaaa So I need like to study it in uni

[normal copper]

Yes, but... You should study it on your own too. You'll learn more that way.

[lone ore]

brotha IM not aiming for a job (well imm aiming for a job but not working in a company but just giving some services alone maybe online)

[peak halo]

this is the career advice channel--what is it that you're aiming for if not a job?

[lone ore]

I know some kids 14YO 16YO and theyre pretty food at ts

[lone ore]

oh (ahm ma bad)

[normal copper]

I feel like my skills at multiple languages are pretty solid, but I can't even find a job that uses Python. I have a degree, but it's in Chemistry. Possibly the reason I don't even get a response to any applications. I inevitably end up using Python at whatever job I land at though.

[lone ore]

well I feel like python is used for robotics and other siMPLE STUFF cuz in web dev they use html and java and in game dev thay use C soooooooooooooooooooooo 🙂

im planning to learn python just to understand how to code (just to understand the algorithm) then Ill just learn either C or Html

[normal copper]

Web dev can also use Python. Game dev can also use Python.

[lone ore]

most companies dont use it

[normal copper]

HTML is not a programming language, so you can learn that tangentially. It is essentially a data structure.

[proud glacier]

robotics doesn't sound like "simple stuff"

[lone ore]

I agree with that :))))

[normal copper]

Actually, a lot of companies do use Flask / Django / FastAPI for various web dev purposes.

[lone ore]

then why cant you find a job (cuz u dont have a degree ;;) im asking fr

[normal copper]

Possibly due to the lack of degree and I have my portfolio set to private. Also... at the moment, it is because I'm not looking. LOL. In the past, though, possibly because no CS degree and no public portfolio.

[vast shoal]

Python is fairly common in web dev. I've worked with it professionally, for instance.

[lone ore]

WOW (WOW)

[lone ore]

oh (guys im new to ts dont take me seriously)

[normal copper]

ts like Typescript?

[mighty spire]

It is more out of curiosity, but contribution to important open sources projects are they enougth to get you past the filtering stages withougth a degree for you?

[peak halo]

if you contribute to high-profile open source projects, you might be able to get jobs through connections with other contributors to that project. I don't think it would help you with cold applications.

and you need to be quite skilled to contribute to open-source projects. it's very challenging to get up-to-speed on the overall architecture of a high-profile open source project

[jagged locust]

Contributing to a high profile open source project is way harder than getting a degree

[cyan violet]

guys

i'm zero in coding

how do i start💔

[near ocean]

#python-discussion

[lunar jackal]

Hello

[mortal wedge]

This is career related, but also may be a source of levity, so thought I would share it with all of you here.

This poor guy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/recruitinghell/comments/1rzo78b/interviewer_asked_where_i_see_myself_in_5_years/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

How do you guys like to answer this question?

[vast shoal]

Maybe focusing more on the kind of role or kind of work I'd like to be doing down the line, and then ask them if they think I can achieve that inside of their company.

[round kindle]

Hello

May I know what all positions I can apply for if I have done course in data science? Entry level only. Something that will always have openings, good pay if possible.

Thank you

[near ocean]

I would think there are no such positions
Data science usually requires at least a bachelors degree

[round kindle]

I do have a degree, in computer sciences.

[near ocean]

Thats whats going to help you find a job, not some random course

[round kindle]

I didnt have data science specialization avilable when I was studying, so had to do it outside.

[mortal wedge]

You can apply for data science and data analyst positions, but entry level positions in such are highly competitive rn due to AI, at least in the states.

I can't even think of that many companies that are hiring entry level tech people at all

[arctic basin]

python seems complicated to me it's so over for me

[peak halo]

That which seems complicated now will be surprisingly simple to you once you understand it.

[arctic basin]

Hmmmmmm,,, is it okay if i dm you sometime if im stuck at something? What level are you at

[peak halo]

You can ask here
I'm an AI professional with about five years of experience in industry

[arctic basin]

Is it okay with you if I @ you randomly with a question?

[peak halo]

It is not.

I check this channel, #data-science-and-ml , and several others as I'm able.

[arctic basin]

Alright. I'll just ask away whatever im stuck at in the related channel and hopefully someone will answer

[peak halo]

There are a lot of people here who actively enjoy answering questions when their availability permits, so if you ask a question in a way that makes it easy for people to jump in, you'll very likely get one.

[wispy epoch]

question. i'm a relatively novice (at least in regards to actual experience) developer and I wanna do some freelance stuff 'cause my dad just got laid off and want to try to get some extra money. i'm aware of fiverr and am considering it, but i would like to know if there are other options and/or what types of projects (particularly those related to data) i should focus on offering services for

[peak halo]

opportunities to make money on freelance websites, doing things you can learn how to do in a few weeks or months, are very scarce. and what few opportunities there are, are quickly eaten up by people who are willing to do them for next to nothing (like, less than you'd earn working in fast food)

sorry to hear about your situation. I wish I had better news.

[wispy epoch]

Damn, alright.

[brave sedge]

I have a doubt. Since AI is the future, should we continue moving forward in IT? I am doing BCA, so what will the future be like after that?

Ans is dm me plz

[glacial heart]

Ai is the future,Who told u that? not in another X years tho some companies are already replacing junior engineers with Ai that's a bad idea for the company themselves

Imo even if u go to a degree course like ai/ds atp there will be high competition

[silver relic]

Hi

[brave sedge]

Ohhh

Thnx

[silver relic]

Hi

[lone badge]

Chat

Programmers are replaced by AI

[spiral pier]

Hey everyone, what do I write on a resume

[whole flare]

Usually one would include their education, previous experience, projects etc.

[spiral pier]

Including Highschool?

[whole flare]

I'd say that depends on how far you are into your career

[lone badge]

Holy sh**

[lone badge]

For real now?

[whole flare]

If you're still in high school or haven't gone to college/university then yeah, have it on your resume, otherwise no

[spiral pier]

Yes for real now
Im a Highschool student that got a job offer

[trim crypt]

Doubt it

[spiral pier]

I’m interested because it’s programming for a great company here

[hearty sierra]

If you got a job offer already why are you concerned about writing a resume?

[spiral pier]

Alright then

[lone badge]

Alright I can just suggest you to get into these type of thing

[spiral pier]

It’s a little complicated
I took a special program when you learn many aspects like programming university level or so in high school
So a company aims for the people that took this but they won’t guarantee them a place

[spiral pier]

I’ll sharpen my skills in case they call me back

[hearty sierra]

So what you're saying is you don't actually have a job offer yet. If they guaranteed you a place already then you would have an offer.

[spiral pier]

If that’s how the term works

[hearty sierra]

So the order is: fill out a resume, submit a job application, do some interviews, then get a job. Things usually work in that order.

[spiral pier]

Okay
What’d you write in a resume? I don’t want to seem better than I actually am yet not worse

[hearty sierra]

Mostly past work experience and accomplishments, but if you have none of those I would put a sizable section detailing your current programming projects and past programming experience

What technologies you know so far, languages you're comfortable with, etc.

[spiral pier]

Alright, thank you

[vapid jay]

💀 is discord the right place to seek career adivce?

[hearty sierra]

Well, a lot of people in this server seem to have had some form of employment in the tech industry so their advice could at least be somewhat useful I'd imagine.

[vapid jay]

[spiral pier]

I mean, as long as the advice makes sense

[native wagon]

I am learning Python but i am learning it with discipline

And advice on making it more fun or to take it as a hobby?

[peak halo]

make stuff that you think would be cool, even if it's not useful per se

my first project was that I made a simulation of ranked-choice voting election

which is simpler than it sounds

[sonic escarp]

My brother is planning on going into cyber security and I am wondering if this will be a dead field for humans by the time he graduates.

[peak halo]

It won't.

[sonic escarp]

how do you know this?

[peak halo]

I'm an AI professional and there are people in my department at work who are at the forefront of figuring out the security implications of the AI boom.

[next plover]

We're projected to see record new CVES this year it's only getting worse

[peak halo]

(my company maintains the CVE)

[next plover]

~70-100k

[vapid violet]

Curious if this is impacted more by so much unsecure AI slop or better tools for finding vulnerabilities.
im sure its both, but want to know what is worse

[smoky quest]

it's impacted by everything

[next plover]

Both id say

[near ocean]

Im doing my part 🫡

[next plover]

But yes the barrier to entry in development is so low it's definitely having an impact

Turns out putting "make it secure" in your prompt means absolutely nothing

[smoky quest]

OSS projects are also getting record reports of CVEs, with tons of them being bad reports

[peak halo]

like, AI slop reports?

[next plover]

Rip cURL 🙏

[smoky quest]

yep

[smoky quest]

not just them unfortunately

[next plover]

:(

[smoky quest]

there were stats in some projects about how they got more reports in a month they got in 1-2 years

[peak halo]

(I don't work on the CVE, and the only person I personally knew who did, got laid off because of orange menace budget cuts.)

[next plover]

Do you work under the government?

[peak halo]

something like that.

[next plover]

Neat

[vapid violet]

If there is anything I have learned about applying for internships in the US is that 75% of tech/engineering companies have some connection to the government

[smoky quest]

there is a surprising amount of people in pydis who have been or are involved in security companies

[sonic escarp]

hey why can't I talk in vc btw?

[fringe sphinx]

!voice

[inner wren]

Voice verification

Can’t talk in voice chat? Check out #voice-verification to get access. The criteria for verifying are specified there.

[glossy steeple]

why do you have to apply to use voice chat

[peak halo]

because mods can't be in the voice chat 24/7, so we need people to demonstrate a baseline level of ability to follow the rules first.

[glossy steeple]

happy pyweek

[mortal wedge]

Oh damn how did I miss py day????

[fringe sphinx]

Every day is pi day. In some base. Maybe.

[mortal wedge]

don't you dare nerd snipe me into calculating this instead of what I'm trying to work on 😂

[wild grail]

Automating manual and repeated things at work without using ai models is just automation right?. How can we switch to some better role when u your past experience is you worked on a operational role

[smoky quest]

find opportunities to do things closer to your desired role, be it on the job, at home, or in other situations

[wild grail]

Oh yeah I'm trying

[rigid swift]

do any of you guys have problems with wheel requirements in python 3.14.2 or 3.14.3?

i just downgraded to 3.13 due to this but was wondering if anyone else had this problem

[tropic trench]

Guys, I'm about to get offers from 2 different companies
but here's the problem
One company (company A) came early with an offer letter
I haven't accepted it yet
they said in their email that i have to accept the offer and submit documents for BGV in 7 days
but today, they sent me an email that i have to accept the offer within today

Another company (company B) sent me a mail few days ago that it has shortlisted me for the offer process
they've asked my documents, and i've sent them
they didn't mention the salary or anything
they've only asked for the expected CTC, and i've gave a higher value that what i got from that former company
and they still haven't replied to me yet

what should i do now?
should i accept the offer or not?

Company A will ask me to relocate anywhere within country
They're a service based company

Company B is within my city
They're a product based company

And im a fresher

[fringe sphinx]

Break it down to your options: what do you see as your choices?

As I see the options, You could accept A, you could reject A, you could accept A and renege if b comes along , you could contact B and tell them and explain your situation (that you really like B),.

[tropic trench]

this is what i think (my preference)

i prefer company B if they offer me, cuz i dont have to relocate, and its a product based company
i also heard a product based company is better to choose over a service based company

company B hasnt said anything about the pay yet
but company A is ready to give me the job, but they changed the deadline from 7 days to today

so im confused
idk what to do

[raw nest]

I say go with the one that has better work culture, Research.

[tropic trench]

i did
B has better culture
but they haven't said anything about the offering process
they only said i got shortlisted

should i send an email to ask about whats the process?

[raw nest]

If you are confident that you'll get an offer, wait for them. Its a gamble though. Try asking your recruiter for an update.

[tropic trench]

should i mention about the other offer and their urgency?

[raw nest]

With your recruiter yes, But I don't know how they would take it. let them know your time is limited I guess

[tropic trench]

ok

but is it ok to switch jobs as a fresher in the 1st few months into a job?

[fringe sphinx]

Those aren't 'choices'. That's just your feelings. You have a finite set of choices: enumerate them and narrow the decision to 'do X or do Y'

Anyway, yes; you should email company B, in my opinion.

[tropic trench]

they (company A) said in their email that i have to accept the offer and submit documents for BGV in 7 days
but today, they sent me an email that i have to accept the offer within today
nobody said anything about this

but i did raise a query about this reduction of time period to company A

[next berry]

That's the best time to try a job and switch if you don't like it: don't include the old one on your CV. No concerns raised if your "first" job started a few weeks/months after graduation.

[mighty spire]

Hello, i got a project and i really focused on testing and documentation. The idea is overdone, stock management, but i am curious if the focus is well valued when doing a CV project?

[fleet iris]

which is the best resume template

and in most the templates there are fields called experience but i don't have any

how much projects should i add.

help is appreciated😃

[near ocean]

theres a template in the pins

if you dont have experience dont add the section and lie on it, just add more of your projects so the CV doesnt look like half a page

[fleet iris]

thankyou is there a limit on number of project that i should add

[near ocean]

no, just dont add super small projects that are trivial

[fleet iris]

should i make different resumes for different positions like one for software dev in general another for backend dev and another for fullstack

i mean am confused my resume don't look like a web dev resume

[near ocean]

you dont have any experience so i dont see how they would be different

use the template and post an anonymised version here when youre done

[paper whale]

I'm still just learning but I want to know, what kind of job using python is the most common to find?

[peak halo]

most varieties of software development can potentially involve python to varying extents.

[desert patrol]

AI/Tech Hackathons (Devpost, MLH, Hackathon.com)

Purple Comet! Math Meet

California STEM Academy

World Artificial Intelligence Competition for Youth (WAICY)

NYSC

I wanna pick 2-3 out of these. As an AI/CS major who has alot of time to start the big talk, what should I pick?

[peak halo]

avoid adding lots of vertical whitespace to your messages if you can avoid it.

• It looks like one ages out of WAICY at 18, so if you're a current AI/CS major, you've presumably aged out.
• What is NYSC?
• Hackathons might help you get internships if your academic performance is already good.

[desert patrol]

My bad. I js listed it. Thx

[crisp olive]

Hi, everyone. I am very weak at backend, I wanted to go through nodejs direction, but as I see, fastapi and python has much more vacancies all over the world. i want to confidently apply to backend jobs in 2 weeks max. what am i supposed to build for showcase? not what exact project, but for ex. (restapi) or something similar? and i don't need tutorials or how to learn syntax, as I know all of the syntax I am fine with frontend, I understand the whole story. I need a roadmap (like in roadmap.sh but that feels like tutorial hell either)

[peak halo]

what other credentials do you have that might make someone want to hire you? there aren't programming jobs doing things that you can learn how to do in two weeks.

[crisp olive]

What does it take to be jun backend dev ready for applying?

[peak halo]

having a computer science degree with internship experience

[gleaming iron]

.

[mortal wedge]

Any thoughts on whether or not to include a masters on your linkedin/resume if it's only in progress?

Specifically, for a current professional

[peak halo]

I would include it

but it would need to be clear that it's in progress

[tawny quest]

hi everyone , lemme be honest im a 12th grader my exams got over two week ago , im from science PCM , i hate physics , my chem is ok ok , maths is good like i unerstand things ( some topics are weak like probability ) background with physical education ( i should hv taken CS tbh )

i started lerning python from a week , im enjoying it ( although ik i just strted so its enjoyable) , i do coding during the course , write the code about the topic teached and write code about new exmples with in it by understanding it but....tbh i feel like im lacking so much ( but i wanna do ) , help me with it

..also i wanna do data science ( im a bit interested in it as it deals with math and coding using data , analysis ) , i research abt it things i hv to upskill , learn all ( python , sql , deep learning , numpy , panda ) .
im very very confuse to what course i should pursue btech CSE or bsc stats ( im from india) .?? i dont wanna do like full day study , i wanna spare some time to upskill , build myself .

sorry if my question violated any rules ( i just need some guidance cause........i couldnt help myself to ask someone )

my questions are:

1. what you would suggest me to improve my coding path like i just started python ??
2. and what course should i pursue as i want to pursue data science , btech CSE or BSC stats ?? ,

few things i wanna mention , i want to help my parents financially , i want free time for myself for skill building , i will learn new skills , new things like i always wanna do content creation so maybe i will make videos .
basically i wanna explore

[smoky quest]

Hi!

I would suggest to use some new lines to make your text breathable and easier to read.
Also mark clearly your question(s) with question mark(s)

[tawny quest]

hii , really sorry for my imperfection , i tried to fix it
is that okay??

[smoky quest]

wow much better! Thanks!

[tawny quest]

much appreciated

[fringe sphinx]

"1) what you would suggest me to improve my coding path like i just started python ??":** Keep doing exactly what you're doing**. Write code, write new examples, practice. And, ask lots of questions. Programming is about constantly asking questions and learning, it's not about "knowing everything".

Hang out in #python-discussion , and you'll learn something new every day.

[tawny quest]

im grateful to hear this from u , really thanks for reply and advicing/guiding me
yea i will look after #python-discussion

[shell heron]

have you heard matthew7:8

[dire yacht]

ANYONE KNOW WHERE I SHOULD SELL PYTHON PROJECTS?

[pure raft]

where people would be willing to buy them

[dire yacht]

and where?

[pure raft]

that's your job to find out. basically any and everywhere (probably except here) where what your program does has application to someone who is doing what your program does without having your program.

Is leetcode still worth grinding for interviews or has it really shifted towards heavy system design only now? US tech hub based, concerning both faang and not faang, fintech and otherwise

[mild bough]

If someone coming from Huawei, will they b consider for FAANG for network/IP engineer? @fleet reef

[peak halo]

@dire yacht please don't abuse markdown.

[peak halo]

do you do network/IP engineering for Huawei? and for how long?

[mild bough]

I have an offer from Huawei, (fresh grad)

[normal quiver]

Hello, I’m new to the server. I have basic knowledge of Python and have worked on a few small projects. I would like to learn more and improve my skills. Could somebody please guide me on where I can learn Python effectively and what I should focus on next

[peak halo]

!projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[peak halo]

and you're hoping that if you work for Huawei for a few years, you can apply to FAANG companies?
Large, high-profile tech companies get a lot of applications, so they can be very discriminating. how closely your skills align with the specific role that you're applying to proably matters more than the reputation of the company that you're coming from.

(I mean discriminating in terms of skills, not race or whatever else)

[normal quiver]

I truly appreciate your guidanceThank you

[peak halo]

what is NE?
I have never applied to a FAANG company. I think "working for FAANG" is overrated.

[mild bough]

Network engineer.
I m frm developing countries so Faang can sponser me easily ig

[normal quiver]

If I don’t have any experience but I want to get an internship, and I only have basic knowledge of Python, HTML, and CSS, what should I do to improve my chances of getting selected?

[peak halo]

being a current computer science student at a university.

if you already are one, look into doing personal projects where you make basic websites with both a front and back end, using a framework like django.

[normal quiver]

thank you brother

[zealous topaz]

i've been on the receiving side of KT session so far, but now I'm the one initiating it due to my circumstances, it feels like torture lol

[bright flower]

Hi

[acoustic wolf]

I quit my job as a developer at a small lab so I could finish a bachelor's degree in computer science. It'll take about a year. Any suggestions for certifications I should get in the meantime?

I'm open to suggestions in general. Thanks for any advice

[next plover]

Certs are generally not useful in programming

[acoustic wolf]

True, but something like a Linux Foundation certification in Kubernetes administration might help you get a job. Do you have any suggestions for what else I could try? I'm open to anything really

[smoky quest]

I would spend the time doing more advanced projects

[acoustic wolf]

Good idea, make something impressive I guess

[smoky quest]

I would caution that framing.
Framing at as impressive implies it's about what you show. That is shallow and confusing the metric for the goal.
Whereas advanced projects is more about what skills you develop.

[acoustic wolf]

I have a lot of skills already but I feel like my issue is getting past HR. Hence going back to school to finish the bachelor's. I was doing data analysis with machine learning and built the database at the lab, for instance. I'm well past beginner at this point

[proud glacier]

<@&831776746206265384> usual remote work partner scam

[summer roost]

!pban 958346475723714580 scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @frozen wadi permanently.

[summer roost]

!pban 359507512640274432 scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @hardy pewter permanently.

[smoky quest]

Feel free to post here an anonymized version of your resume for review and feedback

[solid parcel]

K8s certs won't help because K8s is a complex technology that you'd be unlikely to be using in your first role. A cert by itself will unfortunately be far from sufficient to bridge the gap between starting out, and being competent enough with it for that to be a selling point professionally. The K8s certs are also damn expensive.

An associate cloud cert can be beneficial in improving your visibility, are much cheaper and would be more applicable to junior roles. As a rule of thumb, if you want to check if a cert holds any value, check if any job postings are actually asking for it. If no-one cares about it, I wouldn't bother.

Just reread and realised you've already got experience. Have you got any K8s experience? If you've used it professionally, then the cert becomes more attractive as a way to flag that up, though I still question if it's worth the price (I say this as someone who paid for the CKA out of my own pocket)

[cedar sable]

suggestion for a machine leaning carrer?

[mortal wedge]

I'll still get certs but generally it's a side effect of me getting the knowledge itself. I do think that certain industries have certs they value and I beleive companies will value their own certs (like AWS cert from amazon will be useful for applying to AWS roles at amazon)

[mortal wedge]

What sort of data do you want to see yourself working with?

[cedar sable]

for me, it can be anything, but what I'd like most is the NLP part, so texts and stuff like that

[arctic basin]

Will web dev be taken over by ai? Or is it worth learning. (Sorry for dumb questions)

[peak halo]

Jobs in ML are some of the most degree-requiring in tech, so expect to get a masters degree in computer science. If you don't think you can maintain a positive attitude about being in school for that long and taking a lot of theoretical math courses, pick something else.

Also people might think you're evil when you tell them that you work in AI (this is starting to happen to me), but maybe that will have stopped by the time you enter industry.

[cedar sable]

I'm currently in college, first year (computer engineering), what other fields are also good for?

[peak halo]

I do not understand what you mean by "what other fields are also good for?"
good for what?

[cedar sable]

I mean, rn im doing a tech degree

do u think that a math, physics degree its good? Or lost time, just a tech degree its ok

[arctic basin]

i g n o r e d

[steady violet]

Web dev has many layers so I would say no

Like web dev could mean maintaining a static blog that gets 20 visits a month, or it could mean being an infrastructure engineer at discord dealing with complex distributed systems

[arctic basin]

Good to know. Thank you

[quick rain]

hi i just bought macbook since it’s more conventiet to code python there instead of ipad but the thing is i can't find a nice bag that fits it, does anyone know if long champ l fits mac pro 16

[feral veldt]

I bought something from this company on amazon https://www.tomtoc.com/. I actually did a light bit of research into them beforehand, they seemed to be some white-label chinese brand trying to pose as an american company, really odd stuff. I bought the laptop pouch anyways because it was fairly cheap and I've liked it so far, pretty nice quality, ykk zipper. This is not at all related to the channel you asked this question in however.

[quick rain]

mb, but tysm i will check it out

[mortal wedge]

I don't recall what precisely you work on, but I've started drawing the distinction that I have nothing to do with AI Art/Videos/music. Since I think that predominantly is what most people have a problem with. (I've had people thank me for that clarification in social situations, lol)

I'll still apply to roles that are doing NLP/LLM stuff though, because..... even if I prefer the more sciencey stuff I still need a job.

Agree with you on it being very degree-requiring, especially now. That's why I'm grinding out a masters despite having major professional accomplishments. Even so, the only roles I'm making progress on with just a bachelors are only ones that heavily overlap with my niche/experience.

(Not trying to imply that NLP isn't science heavy or doesn't have sciencey applications... it's just that most NLP in JDs seem to specifically refer to LLM applications)

I'll leave out my thoughts what feels like a massive employment tax to prove I can do what I know I can do >.>

[topaz hill]

whats the best way to learn python

i already have a bit of nolage but not mutch

[somber pecan]

hi every one, i need some recommmendations on channels where i can teach my self python from scratch

[hearty sierra]

There's no "best" way, but there are many good tutorials and courses out there to help you learn.

I see this free e-book recommended a lot: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

[hearty sierra]

Like youtube channels or something?

Check this youtube playlist out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYXdXT2l-Gg&list=PL-osiE80TeTskrapNbzXhwoFUiLCjGgY7

[vast shoal]

!learn @topaz hill @somber pecan v

[inner wren]

Go-to beginner resources

Here are the top free resources we recommend for people who are new to programming:

• Automate the Boring Stuff — an online book (also available to purchase as a physical book)
• Harvard’s CS50P course — video lectures (slides and notes provided) with exercises
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 course — text-based lessons with exercises
• Corey Schafer's YouTube playlist

For a full, curated list of educational resources we recommend, please see our resources page!

[topaz hill]

thank you both

[mossy shuttle]

Does anybody know what to use Python for ? I know JavaScript and typescript and that is what I use for my backend but then I know Python and if I said I will also do web with python then it will be somehow because I am just repeating myself and I have not yet master backend even with JavaScript. I don't want to lose my python skills and still I don't know data science, I only know how to make console apps if you know what I mean or maybe kivy and a lil bit of flask. Any suggestions on what I can be doing with python pls ?

[broken quail]

Y'all I'm a newbie coder it's my 2nd sem I only know python can I still get intership?if yes what should I do in internship

[round anvil]

why not

[nimble drift]

Hi

[ember flicker]

so i am learning python for now , my q is not here.
Me and my freind are making for a project , they want to use vibe coding and just copy paste code and make it , i am telling them it is not safe bc we have many private info and need to learn programming first.
also the school got use a vide codder teatcher idk how but i told him it wont work , and he showed me apps he made but i know all of them cannt be for public .
i want to give me reasons why vibe coding wont really work(at least with 0 knowledge of programming) and if we want the project we need to work and learn programming.
also tell me learning programming is still wroth it bc also my dad is telling me stop bc of Ai and it is my dream from 5 years old and now i got the laptop.

[paper pebble]

Relying on AI instead of learning anything will make you a stupider person.

But also.. what happens to your project when the vibe coding AI becomes.. Sentient... and Evil.. You won't be able to switch it off, Why? because it never vibe coded a big red self-destruct button. By learning the python code yourself, you can not only understand the vibe code, but also, add a stop function, AND become a hero to your school friends and dad.

[round anvil]

I also got vibe teacher who rely on AI so much he knows nothing about the damn IT and CS topic, and that doesn't justify being vibe coder I believe CS is something would result in good result of you self learn, not only you let ideas you also understands how computer engineer understand and build the world we have today

[bitter pumice]

Using AI to write your code for you creates many risks and problems in the future, at most use AI as a learning tool, a guiding hand. It's should not be utilized in writing your applications for you as for the teacher I would ignore them for the most part and practice whichever language it is in my own time using my own resources as apposed to relying on something like that.

[ember flicker]

TY all .
i love all your opinions!
I will ignore them and learn what i love and be a dev not normal one only!

[ember flicker]

I will learn

[ember flicker]

Yea he studied medical ? like why u are here , he is not even CS major , he is MEDICAL

[ember flicker]

I heard abt that , and i know the project will fail bc of it

[bitter pumice]

I think vibe coding is fine for like small simple projects that you aren't planning to release to the public

[ember flicker]

yea also good for testing and prototypes

but for public and esspecialy with info and money

[fringe sphinx]

Someone at a PyCon conference called them "Side Quests"

[ember flicker]

it is a no, we gotta do it our self or have a dev

[ember flicker]

really?

[peak halo]

people say a lot of things at pycon. it's not far-fetched.

[ember flicker]

what is PYCon?

[peak halo]

the python conference. a big community gathering for the python community.

[ember flicker]

Nice

[pine holly]

Properly utilized, AI can accelerate experts, not just “vibe code bad” 💁

[ember flicker]

not starters

[vast shoal]

The problem is that it's an open question how AI usage affects the process of becoming an expert in the first place.

[pine holly]

Yeah it hasn’t been standardized knowledge wise, it’s very dependent on the individual to use LLMs and have specific wording, larger vocabulary, etc.

But, learning structure, etc. is valuable from AI use. Learning to apply some code to not be fully reliant upon is important tho

[mortal wedge]

There also the problem that due to how they are using human feedback in their training loop that AI is nudged towards responses that agree with the user over ones that are correct.

[mild bough]

Hi everyone,
if someone apply for a job where exp is req 10-12+ yrs. But they have less than 1 yr of experience.

But his cv is shortlisted there.

Interviewer will ask abt this, how can we tackle this qs?

[peak halo]

How do you know this is the case?

And who are you in this scenario in relation to the applicant and the interviewer?

When you said "interviewer will ask", are you sure you didn't mean "interviewee"?

[smoky quest]

Do you have a concrete example in hand?

If they ask for someone with a decade of experience but talk to someone without it, it would imply there is something else at play

[mild bough]

Yes i have applied for this role last month. Recvd call yesterday regarding first round. Its a big telco company.

I have all technical exp req but the business exp which is req i dnt have much.

But becz i am working in a startup i know surface lvl information of P&L and technicals proposals etc
@peak halo @smoky quest

The role is like Regional Manager

[smoky quest]

sounds like a mistake on their end then

Or they are thinking about you for another role

[mild bough]

I hope for this scenario,

[smoky quest]

there is also the more nefarious case where it's a scam

As a rule of thumb, if it sounds too good to be true, it usually is

[mild bough]

The company is very legit, i dnt think they have time for this lol

But i agree mb they have made mistake or hire me for another role

Lets see tomorrow

[open venture]

sa

[open ivy]

Thankfully I have no criminal record.

However, I live in a country where 1/3 of people do. This is a HUGE fraction so it's worth being aware of. Not sure if misdemeanors or low-level felonies are a big stigma given how common they are?

[ember flicker]

Good luck , hope u get the job if it good for u!

[ember flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-water-random-stupid-spiritus-gif-22378889

[smoky quest]

It comes down to:

• The laws in place in your country
• Can you trust these people with your IP and potentially customer data given what they have demonstrated in the past?
• How does that reflect on you if something bad happens?

[solar garden]

Im 3rd year hs and i have linear alg, algebra and math as seperate subjects since im in a math class, i also just started doing the khan academy lin algebra course and have messed with python on and off for a while
wanna get into ML and i have learned pandas, numpy and a bit matplot made a few projects with it but took a months break tho im getting back into it, if i wanna freelance on and off is data analysis a good choice? since ML is kinda a high bar and it takes quite a while to actually get good at but data analysis feature engineering... is a bit part of ML and getting better at it shouldnt hurt my progress at all

last project i made was a league of legends live match analyser that fetches data from all players in the game gives their mastery, wr, loser/winner queue and also the biggest "threat"(best player) in the game acording to those stats i can def continue that project and make it better it was fun to work on but i took a break after making it

[steady violet]

im not sure freelancing is a good path to go down, but i think the skills youre learning are very valuable and you will definitely improve the more you practice

you also leaked your api key in that paste so i would probably delete it, assuming thats the real api key lmao

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> scam

or rather illegal content

[still condor]

!cleanban 1101475967966388306 tradingview scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @lofty turret permanently.

[sinful tangle]

hello guys, Im a high schooler who just going to start college next year. i wanted to have some prior skills (like python) before getting in college. Any advises.............

[vast shoal]

!learn

[inner wren]

Go-to beginner resources

Here are the top free resources we recommend for people who are new to programming:

• Automate the Boring Stuff — an online book (also available to purchase as a physical book)
• Harvard’s CS50P course — video lectures (slides and notes provided) with exercises
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 course — text-based lessons with exercises
• Corey Schafer's YouTube playlist

For a full, curated list of educational resources we recommend, please see our resources page!

[vast shoal]

Go ahead and learn ^

[sinful tangle]

learn like what i had completed the lectures of python what to do next

[vast shoal]

Start by learning the fundamentals (syntax, control flow, functions, data structures, basic OOP) through a solid introductory course while actively doing exercises and small practical projects alongside it. Once you’re comfortable with the basics, the path is simply to keep building projects of gradually increasing size and complexity in areas that genuinely interest you (web, automation, data, games, etc.), picking up new libraries and technologies as you need them. You become a good programmer by writing code, not by collecting tutorials. If you’re unsure what to build next, come here and ask, we’re happy to suggest and discuss project ideas.

[sinful tangle]

projects?

[vast shoal]

Yeah

[sinful tangle]

what kind of projects

[vast shoal]

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vast shoal]

Again, start small and simple, and work your way up

[sinful tangle]

thanks man that was really helpful!!!

[nimble drift]

Who’s ready to invest and receive double after 7 days

[jaunty steppe]

!ban 1486044295193559240 elon musk

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @nimble drift permanently.

[whole flare]

"elon musk" 😭

[rugged berry]

What he get banned for

[peak halo]

they joined the server and immediately started posting links to another discord server (those messages are deleted) and talking about investing. they're probably a troll account.

[rugged berry]

Oh

[torn steeple]

So i have few questions what r the most important things that I need to know to become a backend developer

Im currently in python and just love backend stuff and i want to learn more but I need some advice on it

[burnt hound]

Hello?
Any designers here? I need some designers
Who knows blender or 2D character modelling
Anyone????

I need them for my project actually I am building and 2D game open world

The game is on the concept of micro world & microorganisms
I have a story also
A brilliant scientist just made a formula to turn himself in micro form to to explore the micro world!

[peak halo]

@burnt hound this server isn't a place to recruit people for your projects

[burnt hound]

Can you please tell me the place then

Please bro

Where I can get the designers plss if u don't mind

[peak halo]

I have no idea. I'm just a python pope guy.

[burnt hound]

Ok no problem sorry

[vale nimbus]

lmfao

[mighty spire]

You should look at the blender discord and art chanels, they usually have a comision section, but blender is pretty hard to use properly so it will be expensive. As for 2d character modeling i dont really know what you mean but you migth be talking about 2d rigging or just a character designer/animator. You migth get some novice animator for free or cheap if you search properly. For a game i would recomend you to learn pixel art animation and just accepting it will look bad, unless you can make a team for a gamejam or some team project

[burnt hound]

Ok i mean 2d rigging and character designing , btw thanks for advice I will try pixel art animation!

By the way do you know any art channel in discord please tell me if you know !

[chrome bridge]

Very stuck i want a counseler for a decision pls help if anyone of u can do

[peak halo]

to give you helpful advice, people need to know the kinds of things about you that you'd put on a resume.

[chrome bridge]

Bro seriously I m stuck because I am not able to chose wether i should learn fastapi for backend or ai ml cause I m 14 and want to create a good startup or earn money by working for new startups broo i m very confused just show me the path of reality

[proud glacier]

You're 14... so you have more than enough time to try both and see. You don't need to lock in a specialization this early

In fact, I think you shouldn't. Breadth is valuable.

[vast shoal]

Also, breathing is valuable. Relax.

[chrome bridge]

Bro but for start i want to know what to chose at first bcz I know python but no lib of it is mastered by me

[trim crypt]

Try FastAPI first. And then you can try AI/ML after. Start here: https://fastapi.tiangolo.com/tutorial/

[chrome bridge]

Okh

[vast shoal]

Start by learning the fundamentals (syntax, control flow, functions, data structures, basic OOP) through a solid introductory course while actively doing exercises and small practical projects alongside it. Once you’re comfortable with the basics, the path is simply to keep building projects of gradually increasing size and complexity in areas that genuinely interest you (web, automation, data, games, etc.), picking up new libraries and technologies as you need them. You become a good programmer by writing code, not by collecting tutorials. If you’re unsure what to build next, come here and ask, we’re happy to suggest and discuss project ideas.

You don't need to worry about which libraries to learn, decide on what to do first and then figure out if and which libs you need to make it reality. But start small and work your way up.

[chrome bridge]

Okk bro thanku so much
But whenever I ask ai about proj ideas he give me something too off can u suggest me some once I'll complete them I'll be confident to make others

[vast shoal]

!kin Take a look here:

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[chrome bridge]

Ok

[solid parcel]

Woo, I landed the senior SRE role. Thought I'd stuffed up the final round

[elder token]

Plz who can give me the best way and advice to learn python

[hearty sierra]

Check out this curated selection of beginner resources for learning Python
!learn

Oops, guess the bot command doesn't work in here with my role

In any case, I see this one get recommended a lot: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

I can also recommend RealPython as a great website for learning articles

[sly adder]

!learn

[inner wren]

Go-to beginner resources

Here are the top free resources we recommend for people who are new to programming:

• Automate the Boring Stuff — an online book (also available to purchase as a physical book)
• Harvard’s CS50P course — video lectures (slides and notes provided) with exercises
• Python Programming MOOC 2026 course — text-based lessons with exercises
• Corey Schafer's YouTube playlist

For a full, curated list of educational resources we recommend, please see our resources page!

[hearty sierra]

!learn

[sly adder]

You don't have the power

You need to evolve

[elder token]

Aww ok

Tnx y'all

[vast shoal]

Congrats!

[lilac yoke]

Congrats!

[next plover]

W

[solid parcel]

Pretty pleased about it. I'll be working on reliability for the IDP all the application teams at my org are migrating to

[rotund osprey]

What's up? I already studied SQL server, now I'm in Python, any advise on the Pandas learning path? I am interested in "data". 🕴️

[warm igloo]

Congratulations buddy

[warm igloo]

how much they're paying you ?

[solid parcel]

I'm over in the UK, so comp is lower than the US. Total comp is £107,500 ($142,500)

[smoky quest]

congrats!

[solid parcel]

I'm excited to get started! I really did think I'd thrown the last round 😅

[smoky quest]

You aren't out until you are out

[terse stump]

Id like some input. I'm trying to get a new job and I need to work on my github. The only stuff I have on there is trash from before I started my career 5 years ago. I'm wondering if yall think solo projects or open source contributions would look better

[peak halo]

what open source projects do you think you could contribute to? it's challenging to get up-to-speed on an open source code base, scope out a substantive change to it, convince project leadership to approve that change, and to implement it.

[solid parcel]

Doubly so when maintainers are being swamped by AI slop

[peak halo]

but if you do contribute something substantial to a well-known open source project, it's easy for a prospective employer to understand what change you made and verify that you did it, and they don't have to read all the code or attempt to run it to make an assessment of it.

[terse stump]

I've been trying to figure that out myself. I'm trying to get a bit more direction before I put effort into doing that.

[peak halo]

if you have personal projects, it would take a long time for a hiring manager to review the code and decide if it's impressive to them. and it might be AI slop.

[terse stump]

yeah that's something I've been concerned about. Back when I started my career you couldn't vibe code your whole portfolio, but now...

So I've never worked in open source before. Does anyone have any projects they can point me to that actually need contributors?

[serene magnet]

Hi all!

I recently started a research masters in quantum computing where I am using computational physics to investigate Josephson junctions. I am writing Python scripts for molecular dynamics simulations to be ran on a supercomputer here in Aus (Gadi). I have really enjoyed the computational aspect of my research and am wondering if anyone has any advice or resources given I see myself doing this for some time.

I have a BSc (Physics) & GradDip in Meteorology and am also interested in the potential avenue of climate modeling.

I understand if this question is quite vague and am happy to give more information to help guide responses.

Thanks heaps! 😄

[acoustic wolf]

Is a bachelor's in computer science and an RHCSA enough for a good job? I was a Python developer at a startup for 2 years before quitting to go back to school. Now I feel like HR ladies overlook my applications for lack of formal education. Thoughts?

[cedar quail]

@lusty rock tf u here

[smoky quest]

everyone needs a resume

[cedar quail]

he doesn't even know how to code

[smoky quest]

Still need a resume!
Best time was yesterday, second best time is now!

[cedar quail]

alr

[terse stump]

do you need a resume if you're a 21 years old recruiter at a tech company?

[smoky quest]

How do you think recruiters get hired?

[terse stump]

I've been in the same boat as you I didn't go to college. I feel like I got lucky, I was able to land a job with no experience back when the market was good. Right now the market is terrible, in a better market you'd fair a lot better if you can just prove you know how to code well. Most of the advice I've gotten lately for getting a job in this market is to do it through networking

[terse stump]

I don't know I never thought of it. So you're saying in order to become a 21 years old recruiter at a tech company, you had to have a resume?

[smoky quest]

everyone needs a resume

[spark cypress]

Is it just me or does it sound insane that some dutch companies ask for 5-8 years of experience