career-advice

[smoky quest]

appsec would be more an end user

[next plover]

pentest?

[smoky quest]

pentest would be more like people who pentest

[next plover]

are they analyzing code or programs, the wiki page on this screams QA or testing not really a cybersecurity job

[bleak heron]

I engineer those systems as part of my job and use graph theory very frequently

[true harness]

have you heard of semgrep?

[next plover]

yuh

[smoky quest]

or codeql

or snyk

or wiz

[bleak heron]

or sonarqube

[next plover]

what would the difference be from appsec? im trying to understand

[smoky quest]

or coverity

[next plover]

i get it

[smoky quest]

when people say they work in appsec, that would be more like the engineers at discord ensuring discord is safe

[next plover]

i see

[smoky quest]

they may leverage all sorts of tools, including tools that do some program analyzing, maybe even extend them (ex: write plugins). But that won't necessarily be the focus on their job

obviously, if you work at google, amazon or apple, you are bound to find everything and anything, so I would not count them

[next plover]

what math is required for program analysis?

[bleak heron]

graph theory

[smoky quest]

all sorts of math tbh

it gets theoretical very quickly

[true harness]

compiler design/languages, also

[next plover]

interesting ty

[bleak heron]

lattices, fixpoint theory in abstract interpretation

[next plover]

what area of cybersecurity are you interested in?

[smoky quest]

I recommend to peek at https://arxiv.org/list/cs.PL/recent or to look up program analysis in https://dl.acm.org/action/doSearch?AllField=program+analysis

[next plover]

ive been proven wrong i know lol

[smoky quest]

the point is not to rub your face in it but to provide jumping points to learn more

you know, like being helpful

[mortal wedge]

I am not sure of any that do beyond cryptography

[mint kayak]

I'm m a spell caster I do all kinds of spells including:
*Love spell
*Obsession spell
*Ex back spell
*court case spell
*Third party remover spell
*tarot card reading
100% working spell, which of our service do you need?

[pine sleet]

do you have a spell to give jobs

[onyx python]

Yo does anyone know what i should do and the best way to get started ive built some things before with python before and understand it a bit but i want to take it serious and im looking for help idk if i should just watch a crash course or what

[peak halo]

What is your goal?

[onyx python]

to beomce good enough were i could do commissions and stuff and actaully make some decent money with it

eventaully probably a full time job

[peak halo]

Freelancing in your position is incredibly competitive, because there are so many people who want to make money that way.

You should aim to get a regular job.

[onyx python]

you mean somthing thats not scripting ur saying?

[smoky quest]

In terms of careers, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[peak halo]

I'm saying that "beginner freelance jobs" are competitive.

I don't think it's worth your time to pursue them.

[onyx python]

alright thank you!

[worthy aurora]

hi

[sturdy cloak]

<@&831776746206265384> we have a wizard over here but he doesnt have the getting rich spell so i dont like him

[rapid holly]

should i go to career fest?

[spare ridge]

any indians here?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes

[jagged sinew]

y do u want indians when caucasians like me r around

jk jk

[spare ridge]

kinda wanted to talk about comps i got, but you all have different currency so it doesn't really make sense

[jagged sinew]

ic

[spare ridge]

basically got a above average job that would require me to invest 4-5 hours everyday, but im not sure if i should take it or not, since i make decent from freelance already

[rapid holly]

but like i don't really have a good resume or done anything interesting soo far i have ideas but i barely work on them because they're soo many:(

[spare ridge]

i don't even like the idea of a job, and being a corporate slave

[jagged sinew]

take it

[spare ridge]

the pay is like very average

[jagged sinew]

doesnt matter, u get work experience

[spare ridge]

but it's like atleast stable where freelance is risky

but i am also not in need of much money and all, im just a student in college

[jagged sinew]

the experience will be invaluable

[spare ridge]

i would honestly wanna make personal projects which would give me much more freedom in experience

[jagged sinew]

oh. are u going for any internships

[spare ridge]

its like a mix of contract and fulltime i guess

[jagged sinew]

also are u in iit?

[spare ridge]

nope, tier 3 college

[jagged sinew]

i heard iit is best

[spare ridge]

yeah, and im not from one

[jagged sinew]

which one?

[spare ridge]

its called manipal jaipur

[jagged sinew]

oh. did u write that tough test, the one called jee?

[spare ridge]

nahh, didnt wanna follow the rat race

[jagged sinew]

ic. which year of college u in rn?

[spare ridge]

2nd, wbu

[jagged sinew]

im working as an intern rn

[spare ridge]

ic ic... well im scared of jobs

[jagged sinew]

im in optiver

[jagged sinew]

lol why? its easy money

[spare ridge]

in freelance you get paid before the project, and in job you get paid at the end of the month

and you have fixed hours and soo much more work, and especially mine is at a very average salary, i sometimes make 2x of that in freelance with much less work

[jagged sinew]

i am just an intern, know only c++ and java but i make 250,000 dollars a years

[radiant vortex]

what

[jagged sinew]

im here to learn python

[radiant vortex]

an intern making 250K?

[spare ridge]

wtf bro

[spare ridge]

refer me please bro ;-;

[jagged sinew]

its a quant firm.

[spare ridge]

that's crazy

[jagged sinew]

netherlands based

[spare ridge]

if they need a remote webdev yk im open to work anyday

[jagged sinew]

my friend knows python and he was exceptionally smart in college, he makes 320 K dollars a yr

[jagged sinew]

k ill try

[spare ridge]

okay now that's too far

[fallen gyro]

can i believe this?

[jagged sinew]

check out optiver

[fringe sphinx]

Someone gave me a dollar for a cookie yesterday. It took a minute of work. At that rate, I'll make $500k+ this year.

[spare ridge]

that's crazy bro

[jagged sinew]

bro check out optiver, its a quant trading firm

[peak halo]

we're going to treat it as advertising if you keep saying that.

[jagged sinew]

bro ur indian right, have u seen news of another guy from iit got a job, he makes about 280 K

[spare ridge]

must be a lot like that ig

[jagged sinew]

edward nathan varghese, check him out if u dont believe me

[spare ridge]

you remembered the name?

[fringe sphinx]

It's from a recent news article.

[jagged sinew]

yes. it is very recent

[spare ridge]

i see

[fringe sphinx]

And it's not an internship. Yes, some people make good money when they get hired. He, iirc, interned before getting hired.

Your mileage may vary.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, hah, read article again... it doesn't say salary, it's the package. How much of that is deferred or incentive compensation...

[glacial heart]

Woah,but doesn't all this need degree

[jagged locust]

To be fair, unless it’s a sign-on bonus that you get piece by piece over 5 years, there’s not much that you don’t actually get in your bank account at the end of the day .. base salary, relocation bonus, actual bonus… all of that gets into your bank account

Still, that’s definitely not something people should expect to get. A more realistic package for quant (in Europe) is 100 base + 30 to 100 bonus if you have a PhD and a CS/Maths degree. Probably 50k extra in the US.

And you’re expected to work 9 am to 7 pm everyday which is really tiring

(Just trying to bring some realism around that career path)

[untold blaze]

Hey guys, I am interested in freelance. Can anyone give my some advice?

I never did it

[peak halo]

Are you currently full-time employed as a dev and looking to switch? Or what?

[mortal wedge]

I will say that it's hard to freelance in general. You have to hustle a lot just to get bids/jobs (unless you rely on a platform to promote you) but in those cases they often take an unreasonably large amount. Also, you won't be competitive unless you have good credentials which usually amounts to some combination of strong experience/portfolio/education.

The last time I freelanced, I leveraged a strong client into a fulltime position just for the sake of a regular income without needing to hustle for jobs

[mortal wedge]

Honestly, when I freelance, it's mostly just making sure that when I'm unemployed I can grab a couple of jobs so I can honestly say I was freelancing during job gaps on my resume

[untold blaze]

To be frank, I don't have much experience in freelance yet, but I've built financial terminal. I’m looking for a side hustle to earn some money and gain more professional experience.
I can show you my GitHub if it is okay.
To be honest, I'm 16, so I’m still figuring out how the freelance market works, but I’m serious about my code and ready to work. If you have any interesting tasks, let me know🙏

[rapid holly]

hi

[solid parcel]

If your goal is to maximise your earnings, I'd prioritise doing the things that set you up to earn a high paying job quickly once you're through school. In the short term, yes you may be able to find some freelancing work. In the long run (or even the mid term really, my suggestion is only a handful of years away from paying off big time for you), your time would likely be much better spent digging into things like the basics of operating systems, Linux and software development. Building a foundation early so that by the time you're able to get a professional job, you can set your sights high.

[next berry]

PhD doesn't necessarily add to your total comp. CS/maths can help for positions but also won't add to total comp.

[next berry]

This is also not true whatsoever, especially in Europe.

[next berry]

Would advise only doing this once you've worked in the industry for a few years.

[peak halo]

@hexed jewel I used generative AI to summarize what you said.
I would forget about "IQ". Intelligence is a multi-dimensional thing. You should figure out what career is suited to your abilities, but you shouldn't eliminate certain careers from consideration outright because you think you're "too low IQ".

[fiery garden]

Hello everyone,

I hope everyone's doing absolutely great. I am new to the server, and I am a beginner in this field and I aspire to learn Programming. My fields of interest include Cybersecurity, UI/UX Design and Web Development.

Now I wanted a basic → intermediate → roadmap for understanding programming languages (it can be a YouTube Video/Playlist/Website, etc), and some advice about how to pursue this more effectively.

Thank You.

[livid moat]

Who has taken a computational physics degree?

Whats it like?

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[fiery garden]

Thanks a Lot for your kind help.

[peak halo]

I just did a command, but sure

[regal axle]

Last interview with this company tomorrow. They told me it might take at most 3 hours 💀

[peak halo]

sounds kinda normal tbh

[regal axle]

I mean, yea. It isn't the worst I have gone through. Total interview time would be 5.5 hours.

I got robbed of the lunch. SMH. Jk jk, idc about getting lunch or not. I like it since its a good way to get to know people. But only on the condition that those are the people actually interviewing. When you get the opinion of 30 people ,,, that opinion becomes worthless. Especially if all it takes is one no to end everything.

I want to do much deeper research into a lot of hiring practicies and how to actually be succesful in hiring. But like ,,, I am not the one doing the hiring lol. Just something that I feel should be given real respect and not just "oh you are free, go interview this person"

I have done that before. Where company had me randomly interview someone. But like ,,, there was 0 reason (that person was already interviewed by others). They gave me 0 questions they wanted me to focus on or direct it. Horrible hiring system. But also pretty tipical.

[peak halo]

my department head picks people who are especially knowledgeable in an area where the applicant would be expected to perform, and we get time to prepare for the interview.

[vapid jay]

Hy there. I am Abdullah.
Turning 18 next month.
At this age i have nothing that really matters in life. A minute life skills with zero career skills.
I am at this point thinking I should start my career in Computer and start learning with python.
Any Advises, Tips and pieces of Information ?
I am new on discord so sorry if i went against group rules.

[keen lintel]

Hey, I’m feeling really confused and need advice.
I’m thinking about taking a non-tech job because I need money, but I’m scared it will make me lose my tech career path.
I don’t know what to do.!!!

[smoky quest]

Sure, in terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[smoky quest]

what's stopping you from getting a tech job?

[supple cape]

Bro you are still really young, I just finished school last at the age of 24 and I realized I don't skill, so I started learning python on my own middle of last year and while am not professional good yet I can write simple scripts and and as I learn everyday I keep on advancing so go for it and start learning python

[vapid jay]

And sir what do you think?
Skills are Important i know and is degree the same important as skills.
I mean i am thinking to take admission in 4 years bachelor's of computer science in Pakistan after completing my FSc (11th & 12th) in 2024 and completely wasting 2025.

[smoky quest]

degrees give you skills.
And skipping a degree means you have learn on your own and develop the same or better skills than someone who goes to school for 4 years and have awesome projects and great internships

[vapid jay]

How hard it is really if you have a non-tech background.

[keen lintel]

Bcz....I’m not confident in my tech skills yet..

[smoky quest]

You don't need confidence, you need to go through interviews :p

You can pass interviews with or without confidence (even if having some does help)

[hushed stone]

Hi. During this year I'm about to do research and develop a web extension to do some accessibility tools. I don't know about python and how to integrate LLMs and also develop an API rest in this language. Is there any advice on what I should start learning and is there any documentation that could help me on this kind of project? (I'm a software engineer student, but I'm new at python and IA)

[supple cape]

Honestly speaking I have no tech skill as well, it mostly just practice and the amount of time you give to it, for me I spend like 5 hours everyday on it and that because I learn really slow, so the more time you spend on it the faster the result

[keen lintel]

Yeah, I get that, but without enough skills I might struggle in interviews, plus I need a job that pays now.

[vapid jay]

Thanks brother, You guys cleared my brain fluff. I should stop listening to the surrounded people who just keep on saying and stop you from doing almost everything whatever you try.

and lastly,
Is this server enough for community or ii should join other things also so that i can talk to the people of my future to be Clan.

[smoky quest]

how do you know you don't have enough skills?

[hushed stone]

Hi bro, from my experience I can suggest you to start with learning C. In order to gain some knowledge about code and how to design and implement algorithms, then u could start learning python

[vapid jay]

Isn't python easier to learn than C?

[hushed stone]

Since python is a high level language, C is a low level language that can help you understand different things like arrays, data types or even threads

[hushed stone]

It is, but C is the base of most of the languages

[keen lintel]

After reviewing the job description, I feel my current skills are not yet sufficient for a tech role

[smoky quest]

how do you know if you haven't been rejected?

It's like complaining you haven't won at the lottery but you never bought a ticket

[keen lintel]

I know I could try, but I feel I’d struggle in tech interviews right now, and I need a steady income

[smoky quest]

this is you shooting yourself in the foot:

• You don't apply to jobs so you don't know if they would want to talk to you
• You don't have interviews, so you don't know where you would struggle

The solution is to apply to tech jobs. You won't find a tech job or learn about interviews without applying to them

If you look for a non-tech job, you will still have to apply and go through interviews anyway

[finite blade]

yo i dont got a job, but from what i learned, shoot ur shot. no matter if you get rejected theres multiple opputunities

[barren lotus]

if you take that to the extreme you can write a python program to parse job descriptions and write resumes and help you send resumes

that way you can play the statistics game programmatically

[smoky quest]

burning the amazon by sending applications that will/can be insta rejected

[barren lotus]

i have updated my script so that i can run multiple instances at the same time

[barren lotus]

it's just regex, no neural network required

[smoky quest]

yeah that would fall through some traps

[barren lotus]

somehow i doubt that

[dawn barn]

yo, found a legit free NISM RA prep program
covers everything, self-paced, they even help with licensing
if finance career is the goal, check it out https://www.stockgro.club/academy/courses/research-analyst-certification/?utm_source=IT

[smoky quest]

I am pretty sure it would fail mines 🙂

(and a few others that some other companies used)

[barren lotus]

shall we give a try

you can just send me the JD to parse

[smoky quest]

nice try for dox

[barren lotus]

the resume is made from merging different sections that i hand wrote

the content is not generated, it's just compiled together based on a list of keywords that corresponds to the sections i wrote

isnt it funny that every company emphasizes "communication skills" and we have HR personnel literally cold calls people, gets a reply, and dont even reply back

[keen lintel]

That makes sense. I’m not giving up..but I just need a little time before jumping in

[smoky quest]

And when will that be?
It doesn't sound like you have a valid reason to delay it any further.

And as you pointed out, if you take a non-tech job, it will make you less competitive and interesting comparing to others who did not wait to apply to tech jobs

And in turn, it will make you less confident to apply, which will make you wait even longer, which means that in the end, you will never apply or find a tech job

so stop thinking and start applying

[keen lintel]

I think you're right I was just scared and felt less confidence and confused

[smoky quest]

If you aren't willing to stand up for yourself, no one will.
I will not loose any sleep if you don't look for tech jobs and no one else will either. You are an adult and there is no mom to care for you and stand up for you if you aren't doing it. So it's all on you to stand up for yourself and learn to face your worries

Worst case, you learn more about your issues with interviews, which means you can learn from it and do better. Best case, you do get that job

If you don't apply, whether it's best case or worst case, you won't get any tech job and won't get any closer to it

[keen lintel]

I’m trying to work through my fears instead of letting them control me. Your words actually made me think seriously about that..... Thank you so much i am feeling little motivated now

[smoky quest]

One last advice: you should definitely do your best and try to work on your fears yourself. And while no one can apply and go to interviews on your behalf, it's also okay to ask for help. So if this is severe enough, don't hesitate to reach out to a therapist for help. That's their job

[keen lintel]

Thanks🩷 I’ll work on my fears and ask for support if necessary.

[smoky quest]

and remember that will apply to everything!
The company will be more than happy to not give you any raise if you don't ask about it 🙂
Other people will be more than happy to give you more work if you don't complain about it 🙂
etc.

[keen lintel]

Got it, thanks! I’ll keep that in mind

[waxen plaza]

Hey guys. I've been in the tech space for a year and have little experience on backend with php. I'm trying to switch to python anyone with resources I can use to learn. Please I'll be grateful 🥲

[scenic sable]

Done business degree and looking forward to do MCA after 3yrs of gap? A good decision?

[barren lotus]

try https://cs50.harvard.edu/python/ ? even if you already know programming it's a good quick start guide to python

also you might want to ask this in #python-discussion instead, it's a lot more active there, and your question didn't really relate to career

[white relic]

This channel is for career advice and discussion. I've removed the video.

[coral hatch]

How to get a job in python?

[vast shoal]

The best and easiest way is to study CS at uni, then probably do some internships or something towards the end of your education.

[coral hatch]

Oh thanks

Can you tell me what is “CS” and “uni”

[solid parcel]

Computer science and university. You're going to have a bad time as an engineer if you can't work that out from Googling, though 😅

[coral hatch]

Bro I just in 7th standard

I was asking this just for my knowledge

[fleet iris]

What do you think about remote internships, how about unpaid ones for like 2,3 months

[knotty nymph]

Guys I have one question like The cs50x 2026 lecture course on YouTube is it like a combination of all python,c and like if I wanna learn Python should I watch the only python vid it it like that

[unique patio]

Heyy i have just completed like basic python and Opps
Which library should I do first Numpy or Pandas?

[true harness]

an unpaid, remote internship sounds absolutely useless

[next plover]

Anything unpaid is a joke

[regal axle]

Internships are valuable. Being remote or not. Being in person is better than remote but remote still holds value.

Unpaid internships is not a thing in this industry. In others it is though. It shouldn't be and is a massive issue / exploit. But lets put that aside. In tech, internships tend to pay pretty well.

[regal axle]

Why do either? Just learn polars /hj
You can chat with people in #python-discussion for better direction. But I would also include what your goal is.

[unique patio]

I mean someone told me it's good to do it I have some time in my first semester so I think i should do it in the meantime

[solid parcel]

C is lower level, so you have to manage more manually. A lot of courses start with it as it helps you build up a mental model of how languages and operating systems work under the hood. E.g. Managing heap, stack, privileged actions via syscalls etc.

[regal axle]

It won't be bad to learn. It is a very data science direction though. Is data science what you want to do?

[woeful sluice]

Hello everyone. I’m a frontend developer working toward becoming fullstack, but I’ve recently realized that mastering one thing might serve my future better than being a generalist—especially in the AI era

[hexed jewel]

would u guys agree that coding has become similar to art, there is less money to be made, but you can still pursue it as a recreational activity

[woeful sluice]

I like the word “art”

Coding used to be about memorizing syntax and patterns back when AI wasn’t popular. Now things change so fast that I can’t keep up.

[hexed jewel]

but you can choose to not use AI, that is a choice I make when working on my recreational projects

[solid parcel]

In and of itself, code has for a long time now had very low value (there's a fair bit of research and discourse out there about code having a value of effectively nill, as the price of goods tends toward the marginal cost of production).

An ability to engineer and maintain effective solutions is where the value comes from, and that hasn't changed.

[unique patio]

I wanna do ML tbh

For now that's my focus but I'm not sure because I'm in the first semester

[regal axle]

Fair. Explore a lot and try a ton of things. This is the time to "waste" a lot of time going down the "wrong paths."
Yea, numpy is good to learn. More than pandas. But they go hand-in-hand. And likely you will run into both a lot.

[unique patio]

So should I watch tutorials of both?

[midnight nexus]

But the video show te result of my career my result

[tight arrow]

Hey, I am new to coding how should I start learning python?

[regal axle]

Sure. Build. Building is the best way to learn. Don't focus too much on tutorials. But learning to learn is something you will learn in school 😆

[midnight nexus]

Pay me to learning you

[tight arrow]

How much

[midnight nexus]

80$

[tight arrow]

Ik ready to give 4500 $ a month

[regal axle]

What no. Don't pay anyone.

[unique patio]

Thanks Josh i appreciate it a lot man

[solid parcel]

Watch, read docs, build things. Tutorials can be great, but a fair few people get stuck in the trap of following along by rote and not building any genuine understanding. Which in turn means they can't apply the information they're learning to novel situations. Understanding the what, but without sufficient context of why certain things were being done.

[tight arrow]

Ok

[regal axle]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[midnight nexus]

Let’s see who’s better in Visual Studio Code, if you say I don’t deserve the money

[unique patio]

Ohh i mean i at least should know the basics of stuff it provides and like it's advantages and things it offers

[regal axle]

I don't want their money. There are free resources that are 1000x better than what you could provide. No one needs to pay to learn to code ...
-# Ok but you do need to pay for a degree to make getting a job easier

[midnight nexus]

Free resources are great, I agree. But structure, guidance, and real feedback are what people usually pay for. And as you said yourself, you often still need to pay for a degree to make getting a job easier

[solid parcel]

It's also very funny to me that his go-to to prove coding expertise was to point to the IDE, as if that determines much of anything 😆

[solid parcel]

He can get structure, guidance and real feedback for free from communities like this one... The density of expertise and willingness to support that you can find in a lot of tech communities is absolutely monumental.

[regal axle]

I program in neovim. Come at me! 😄

[midnight nexus]

In communities feedback depends on who notices your question and when. With mentoring, someone is responsible for your progress and follows up

[midnight nexus]

At the end of the day it’s all just tools

[solid parcel]

You've been in this community for 30 seconds and one of the very first thing you did was try and get someone to pay you... It comes across as greedy rather than supportive, and up till now you've not exactly proven your technical competence.

[midnight nexus]

Just ask @plain stump about my technical competence

[solid parcel]

You responded to a single, trivial question...

[unique patio]

Why don't both of u guys try to teach me a hard thing....
😂😂 So I will learn something good

Btw I'm just kidding

[midnight nexus]

If my skills weren’t real, I wouldn’t be living the life I can thanks to them

I’ll stop here as this topic isn’t productive

[solid parcel]

Do you know what in ML you're interested in doing? It's a broad area 🙂

[unique patio]

Tbh I have a vague idea of things...ngl i was about to quit engineering in the first semester bcz i did perform very low in the first half of the semester

After which I was like i should at least finish this semester and slowly I did figure some things out

[steep raptor]

Hello everyone,

I’m new to Python and would like some guidance on where to start learning it for data analysis. Currently, most of my work involves Excel and Power BI, and I also have a good understanding of SQL.

I’m looking to upgrade my skill set and use Python to complement my existing tools for data cleaning, analysis, and automation. I’d really appreciate your suggestions on learning paths, key libraries, or resources that would be helpful for someone with my background.

Thank you in advance!

[solid parcel]

One of the hardest things when you're starting out is you have tons of new concepts thrown at you, without yet having sufficient understanding to get how they relate to each other. As you learn more, concepts will start to click together 🙂 Like a big puzzle...

It's one of the reasons a lot of courses have a unit on operating systems, because it's only with an understanding of some of the stuff the OS does under the hood with RAM, CPU and so on that some of the things you do in programming languages makes sense. And similarly why I recommend people learn Linux and some networking before diving into something like Docker or Kubernetes...

[unique patio]

Ngl idk how but it was like Python was tough until i started to do it myself

And it's the only language I have learned till now before that i had PE in high school so imma do some more to get that edge over others

[solid parcel]

You mentioned you're at uni- what are you covering the next few semesters?

[unique patio]

Ohh wait let me share my syllabus

[solid parcel]

Honestly looks like a decent syllabus. I tried to send you a pdf of a brilliant operating system book called Operating Systems: Three Easy Pieces, but the bot bonked me

[unique patio]

So I will learn C and C++(not I'm my course but it will help me in DSA next semester)

[solid parcel]

happy to DM it to you if you'd like. Yeah, it's pretty common to learn some C early on 🙂

[unique patio]

Can u send it to my dms?

[solid parcel]

sent

[unique patio]

Btw sir I also had one more doubt
So it was about DSA
So basically we have DSA in the third semester but till then I will only know two languages Python and C so what should I do should I learn C++ aside from my college syllabus bcz most people told me doin DSA in Python is useless

[true harness]

it's free online, just search it up

[solid parcel]

I don't know why they'd say that. Python is the most commonly used language to answer LeetCode (DSA) questions. I'm also not sure why they think C++ in particular would be of particular benefit for DSA.

[grizzled phoenix]

Where are these facts from?

[unique patio]

Idk too they say Python is used for Data Analysis and Data Segmentation and doing DSA in C++ and Java is beneficial

[solid parcel]

Honestly can't remember where I saw the stat. Python and, iirc, Java were both up there. Generally you can use whatever language you'd like in a LeetCode interview. Python is particularly liked because it's quicker to revise Python code than it is with something like Go.

[solid parcel]

I may be lacking some context here, but from what you've shared so far it sounds like a bit of a misapprehension on their part. Was this other students saying this?

[unique patio]

Nope my professor...😭

[solid parcel]

If I were to guess, it may be because of the explicitness of languages like C and C++ relative to Python... In a learning context, they can be better to help you deeply understand how data structures work.

[unique patio]

Hmm i think what i should do is learn C and C++ simultaneously then do DSA in C++ and Python too

But idk if i can do that much while doing my college syllabus

[balmy mural]

Could just be that this DSA course has a focus on pointers. Python wouldn't be very well suited for that

[unique patio]

Aren't pointers just variable...in a loop like two pointers??

Like when we iterate over a list

[balmy mural]

Pointers in for example C generally refers to a feature for memory management. Not pointing at something in a list

[solid parcel]

Imo any DSA course worth its salt will have a fair bit of focus on pointers. Agreed Python is less suitable for learning about pointers. You can get similar performance characteristics (at least in terms of time complexity), but you're not really using pointers.

[unique patio]

Memory management??...isn't memory management done by the processor itself

[balmy mural]

Agreed. It's just the only reason I can think of recommending C/C++ over Python, so I thought I'd throw it out there

[steady violet]

anyone here have experience with leetcode contests? and if so are they worth it/valuable for interview prep?

i ask because solving questions under pressure is obviously beneficial, but im not really sure what the actual content of the questions are. like if theyre even on similar topics that might be asked by a company

[still condor]

If you just want to program under pressure, I had fun with codingame a few years ago

it has a mode where you compete with random people to solve a problem in either as few characters as possible or as fast as possible

[true harness]

the best interview prep is mock interviews. coding contests don't exercise the "communicate with interviewer" part

[steady violet]

Yeah fair enough, but the contest is much more accessible and convenient

Would need to go out my way to find a mock interviewer

[true harness]

there are platforms for mock interviewing where you take turns interviewing each other. I forget what it's called though. perhaps that's enough to find it

[vapid jay]

Hey, can i ask for some quick guidance by someone and maybe ask some questions regarding my future career path? Respond to me if you´re willing to help.

[peak halo]

hello, it's easier for everyone, including you, if you just ask all your questions all at once. then people can maybe start responding.

[vapid jay]

Oh alright thanks.
I'm 15 and I´m starting to plan my career path for my future, I live in Europe and I want to work remotely internationally by my mid 20´s.

My questions: 1. Is 15 a good time to start? Compared to when the majority starts.
2. What career path is good for someone who likes explaining technical concepts but i dont want to code all day?
3. What technical/general skills should I prioritize learning now at 15?
4. Does someone know anyone who can help me more with this, i understand your time is valuable, so if you have someone i can go more in depth with, please be kind as to push me to them.

[vast shoal]

1. You can start learning at any age.
2. Maybe a teacher, a business analyst or a project manager?
3. Whatever piques your interest, tbh. You're gonna learn the most effectively if you're interested in what you're studying. This is a programming server, so you could try learning programming fundamentals here to start with.

[vapid jay]

How about solutions engineer, whats your opinion on that?

[vast shoal]

No idea what that is.

Based on googling, it sounds like something BAs would do at my employer.

[peak halo]

sounds like a pretentious way of saying "software engineer"

[vast shoal]

A Solutions Engineer (SE) bridges the gap between technical products and customer needs, acting as a technical expert within the sales process to design and present customized software/hardware solutions, create demos, and ensure products align with client goals, essentially being the technical advisor to sales teams.

[vapid jay]

BA?

[vast shoal]

business analyst

At my employer their main job is communicating with customers and producing requirement specs for the developers to use to implement the software.

[vapid jay]

Its the coding part that kills me, i can learn the basics, im just not sure if thats what i want to do all day for my life.

[vast shoal]

But they're often involved in sales as well, since they act as domain experts.

[peak halo]

a job's a job. no matter what you pick, there will be good days and bad days.

unless it's in food service, in which case there won't be good days.

[vapid jay]

Yeah, i just dont think i realistically have the chance of learning coding at that scale, just my opinion

[peak halo]

sure you do.

[vast shoal]

Well, there are other careers.

But this is a programming server, so it might not be the best place to explore them.

[vapid jay]

Yeah, but they dont fit my goals

[dark thunder]

i was wondering if someone can give me some insight from a recruiter aspect. i have a lot full stack projects that ive been considering deploying and they just been sitting in my repo. i was wondering if its worth to deploy it? does deploying it show any real value or is it the work itself that matters

[vast shoal]

I do see a lot of people transition out of coding roles into project management, sales or executive roles, but you do need to learn coding and work as a developer first if you go that route.

[vapid jay]

Yes, thats the ideal plan, what do i need for developer jobs? python, projects, etc

[vast shoal]

The best and easiest way is to study CS at uni.

[vapid jay]

Yep, thats the plan, but i want to use the time i have now, 3+ years until i get to uni, to get ahead of most people my age

[vast shoal]

Then learn programming and do a lot of projects.

Hang out in this server and engage with the community.

[next plover]

And start a blog and write about your projects

[vapid jay]

Thats the plan, i just dont know where to start

[vast shoal]

Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/#toc
If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-osiE80TeTskrapNbzXhwoFUiLCjGgY7
I also recommend Harvard’s free online course, CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python: https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50s-introduction-programming-python
This is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser: https://programming-25.mooc.fi/

[next plover]

!kin and here

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vapid jay]

Thanks, appreciate it truly.

[dark thunder]

🙂 any insights is appreciated please

[vast shoal]

I'm not a recruiter, but deploying and trying to get real users for your projects, and dealing with the challenges that involves, is likely to be good experience for you.

[dark thunder]

that makes sense. thank you !

[solid parcel]

For number 2, you might want to consider something like being a pre sales architect. Sales can obviously be an acquired taste, but it may fit with your goal of doing technical work without coding all day. You spend most of your time engaging with customers to help them design solutions, showing them demos, helping them understand how your tech could help solve their problems... Tbh architecture roles more broadly could also fit, but for most architecture roles they generally require you to use been hands on doing engineering work first, so the path to that may involve a bit more coding than you'd like.

On that point, what actually is the reason you don't want to code much?

[solid parcel]

Ha, I just scrolled a bit further and found this comment of yours.... Similar to the kind of role I was proposing 🙂

[regal axle]

They want to take me out to drinks. So,,, I assume I did well lol
I mean they did say as much. But until an offer is in my hand and signed…

Previous message #career-advice message

[true harness]

sheesh

[solid parcel]

Hell yeah, great to hear

[vapid jay]

the reason i dont want to code much is because i find it real hard, im stuck right now on some stuff, day 2 in, and its not looking pretty, heres what im doing right now: students = 127
minibus_seats = 18
minibus_cost = 450
student_tickets = 85
teacher_tickets = 120
students_per_teacher = 15
buses_needed = students // minibus_seats
if students % minibus_seats > 0:
buses_needed = buses_needed + 1
print(f"You need {buses_needed + 1}")
teachers_needed = students // students_per_teacher
if students % students_per_teacher > 0:
teachers_needed = teachers_needed + 1
print( f"The minibuses will cost {buses_needed * minibus_cost}") now, i need 8 buses, and it keeps giving me 9, whatever i do it doesnt work, now i also need to know the price of student and teacher tickets, this is just an example, im trying to fix this up now and finish the code, THIS is the primary reason

[vapid jay]

how similar, whats the diff, salary, experience, etc?

[solid parcel]

Hahaha, 2 days is absolutely nothing. Do not sweat it. I asked because I had a feeling this would be the answer. Totally normal for it to take some time to click. I'd check out the CS50 courses. They're pretty fantastic. You're starting young, which means you can have a massive leg up on the competition if you put in some time now.

[vapid jay]

i just want to have a solid goal which wont put me in a position where im tied, i also want a solid foundation, i just cant find anything that can help me with the base

[solid parcel]

Honestly with where you're at, I'd learn the fundamentals and then just follow the fun. Rather than trying to work out exactly what you want to target, let it evolve naturally. I'm a big advocate for building out a basic three tier app when you're starting out, too. Great way to have an easily extensible project that lets you touch on a lot of different areas.Then you can dive deeper into the parts you're most drawn to.

I like the following guide
https://learntocloud.guide/

[solid parcel]

Go deep enough and basically everything is built on an understanding of networking, automation and operating systems. Having some context for those helps everything stacked on top to click

[vapid jay]

is that really "beginner" friendly, im 16. Also, i want to build a non clutter base, with a fast and strong growth, without jumping between different "courses", roadmaps, etc, i want a solid one, with a goal, preferrably in a remote career

[vapid jay]

?

[solid parcel]

Absolutely beginner friendly. It'll take you through from some real basics and help you build them into something tangible.

The way to get fast and strong growth is to build up the fundamentals that will allow everything on top to click easily. It's worth taking your time to properly understand the fundamentals. 🙂

[fringe sphinx]

Learning software engineering is not a straight clear path. It's more exploration, and building connected experience.

[vapid jay]

solutions architect is my goal hopefully

[barren lotus]

isnt solutions architect just like...

"engineer"

[peak halo]

don't get too hung up on job titles. they often don't tell you very much about what the job actually involves.

[hexed jewel]

i mean you have to justify the pay somehow

the SDE 1 2 3 4 terminology makes me feel like im that black mirror episode

[smoky quest]

solution architects have required quite a bit of travel from my past experiences

Especially since you are usually forward deployed with customers

[solid parcel]

Architects generally rarely or never code. Also depends on the type of architect. You get a whole bunch operating with different specialisms and levels of operation (e.g. enterprise architects are often operating in the land of frameworks and strategic initiatives rather than implementation details, which is one of the reasons they're frequently criticised for having an idealised 'ivory tower' perspective).

[smoky quest]

software architect is to architect what project manager is a manager

or what ham is to hamster

[smoky quest]

That's the engineer you will send to a customer to help them fit your software in their environment/setup. That might involve some custom software/scripts, but that is very different from the proverbial software architect in the enterprise

[barren lotus]

i would have thought solutions architect plan out the software architecture

[solid parcel]

It's partly a matter of titles continuing to be very woolly in tech. At least in my org, solutions architects collaborate with teams to bridge the gap between the current state of affairs and the often idealised vision set by enterprise architects. It's their job to help inform design decisions and tool selection. That often encompasses software, but also process, infrastructure and so on. Building out a bunch of HLDs which engineering teams then translate into LLDs (with ongoing collaboration with the solution architect).

[barren lotus]

jfc

imma be honest with you, this all sounds like fluff

[solid parcel]

Hahaha, wait till you hear about TOGAF

[barren lotus]

jfc

[solid parcel]

This is the appropriate reaction to TOGAF 👌

[barren lotus]

is there a job called "talk-to-the-user-and-write-code-changes"

[smoky quest]

ever seen krazam?

[solid parcel]

Bold of you to assume you'll ever talk to a user, or even decide what you're working on 😁 There are product owners and customer journey managers aplenty who'd have something to say about that

[barren lotus]

what's krazam

[barren lotus]

i will go out of my way to talk to users, even if it's not allowed

companies will probably consider me a troublemaker in that regard

[solid parcel]

A lot of orgs devolve into a sludge of bureaucracy. Looking for places with a strong engineering culture and customer focus is likely a good plan given what you're saying.

I've spent the past 3 flipping days mapping out jira features and tickets, and getting performance goals in place. Send help.

[barren lotus]

strong engineering culture huh

i wonder where i could find one like that

[smoky quest]

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYvhC_RdIwQ
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ia8Q51ouA_s
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLTUqPue9sQ
• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o7qjN3KF8U

[barren lotus]

tldw?

[smoky quest]

they are like 2min long

just watch it

[true harness]

ultrastar

[barren lotus]

ah ok, parodies

[smoky quest]

documentaries or commentaries of tech

[solid parcel]

I'll circle back to you on that one

[barren lotus]

i dont know whether you have gone to MUNs before (mock united nations)

[smoky quest]

It's real: https://www.srenity.online/

[solid parcel]

10/10 comment for the first video @smoky quest

[barren lotus]

there are like proper sessions and moderated caucuses

but always, always, it's the unmoderated caucuses where shit actually gets done

people just running around talking to each other

it's like, most work actually gets done on the slack chat

[mortal wedge]

What do you guys think about the "OpenToWork" banner on linkedin? I see a lot of discourse back and forth over whether it helps, hurts, or makes no difference and don't know who to believe.

[next plover]

Its generally fine

[solid parcel]

There is a reason orgs continually talk about 'flattening structure' and 'reducing layers of management'. It's very easy to end up filling time with work about work and not actually getting anything done. Not everything needs tracked, not everything needs reported, not everything needs 3 different approvals. The tricky part is working out what does, and that's often not clear until after the fact.

[smoky quest]

I would suggest to look at it in terms of one way door vs two way doors.
Unless you have your boss in your network, them putting it up won't hurt you

so what if you do? What if you don't?

[next plover]

Yeah id not do it if I'm employed though lol

[solid parcel]

I've seen exactly the same and am no closer to knowing if having it on is a net positive or negative. Nor am I convinced anyone else is.

My gut feel is that it's a negative, but I don't have data behind that...

[next plover]

It tells people you are open to work, it's that simple

[solid parcel]

FYI you can also make it so it only shows up to recruiters. And I believe it may even not show up to people in your org

[barren lotus]

are there people who are not

[next plover]

Employed people generally

[smoky quest]

maybe. But I don't trust linkedin enough

the cost of them or you getting it wrong and being mistaken is too high

and the benefit is not high enough to be worth the risk for me

[barren lotus]

employed people are always looking for better positions, arent they

[smoky quest]

they are also not telling their boss that they are actively interviewing

[barren lotus]

exactly

so what's the point of putting up a "#open to work" that clearly says that you are unemployed

[mortal wedge]

Well, here's the thing, there are recruiters/companies out there that view being unemployed/desperation as a red flag, and view the open to work banner as being indicative of that. Whether or not there are benefits to it that outweigh that I don't know.

I am making the assumption in this context that if you have open to work banner you are unemployed, as I definitely wouldn't put it up if I were currently employed

(Due to it making you a target for layoffs)

[solid parcel]

I don't invest much time into actively looking, though I like to keep an eye on the market. I have a couple of conversations with recruiters a week on LinkedIn when they reach out to me. Always open to the right opportunity, but they'd have to be meaningfully better than my current role for me to take on the risk of a move. Assuming the same work/life balance at a potential role, I'd generally still be looking for a 20% bump to consider moving.

[next plover]

Not always

[solid parcel]

Exactly this.

[barren lotus]

lol

[mortal wedge]

In a vacuum I'd love to A/B test, but that's an expensive, painful, and difficult to quantify experiment

[barren lotus]

the decision making matrix of the unemployed and the employed are 2 completely different things

[smoky quest]

it would work if people who did not put it up would always refuse interviews.
And so from the recruiter pov, there isn't any difference since they still ping the people without that open to work.

And from the candidate, there isn't a clear value delivered either.

And so nothing happen

[solid parcel]

I've had exactly the same thought

[next plover]

I've never assumed otherwise and I'd imagine most people see it like that as well

[mortal wedge]

I took it off. We'll see what happens

Or more likely we won't since data collection on this problem is difficult

[mortal wedge]

Or rather, I changed it to "recruiters only". Idk what other options are available, but hopefully it means recruiters can find me but when hiring managers followup to scan my profile they don't see it

[cyan arrow]

.

[placid valley]

It lets people you actually know you're looking and the best way to find a job is through loose connections

[mortal wedge]

Good point. I’m just unsure if it outweighs the downsides

[copper turtle]

What’s yalls worst interview experience?

[balmy mural]

I occasionally have recruiters reaching out to me on LinkedIn. I generally just respond by thanking them for reaching out, but I'm not currently looking for a new job.
If you say you have conversations, is it similar to that, or do you have a few back and forth questions about the role?

[proud glacier]

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[summer roost]

!tempban 1261085968941842606 1w troll

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @midnight nexus until <t:1769152953:f> (7 days).

[keen burrow]

You can use mbti and openai's api to make an app that helps people improve their relationships with their friends and family

That's a cool idea

[solid parcel]

Depends on if I need more info to see if it could be a fit, or if I know it's not. In the latter case, I say as much, wish them good luck in finding the right candidate and sometimes share the job with my network if I think it may be of interest to them.

If it's one I could be interested in, I'll engage a little more. E.g. yesterday I had a recruiter reach out about a platform engineering role paying up to £95,000.

I replied with

'Hi Paul,

The role sounds up my street, but unfortunately my current TC is c. £110,000, so it would be a touch low for me. Best of luck finding the right candidate, and by all means reach out if a better fit comes across your desk. I'm particularly interested in roles doing SRE work across large Linux estates :-)'

He came back saying he'd discussed with the org that morning and they could go up to £110,000 on salary (this is why it can be worth engaging if the role is somewhat interesting, there's often flex 🙂 ).

Didn't go for the role in the end, because after a couple more messages back and forth it turned out there was no bonus available so I'd effectively be taking on additional risk for no increase in comp. But it can be worth having the conversations...

[left badge]

Where can i learn python im complete beginner and i want to start learning python language im just a first year college student. hope you can help me

[vast shoal]

Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/#toc
If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-osiE80TeTskrapNbzXhwoFUiLCjGgY7
I also recommend Harvard’s free online course, CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python: https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50s-introduction-programming-python
This is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser: https://programming-25.mooc.fi/

[left badge]

Thank you i appreciate it

[hardy tangle]

guys

[fringe sphinx]

And feel free to ask questions in #python-discussion , we are beginner friendly

[worn edge]

Hello

I just discovered coding as an african and well due to my luck i guess the course i will be offeringg is physics degree pls what carreer options lie ahead for me that is not anything teaching and is physics and python

[mortal wedge]

Senior ML position. I got asked to write complex SQL queries in my head and got yelled at when missing quotation marks. Similar story, got told off when asked to convert a number from base 3 to base 7 when I was 1 off. It felt like some sort of humiliation ritual, all the questions were like that. Felt pretty depressed and miserable afterwards.

And I don't think any of the quesitons were about ML. I didn't even realize I was going to be speaking with anyone at the hiring company, I thought it was a recruiter screen so it was a bit of a bait and switch

[dreamy shadow]

ML like product DS? Or like MLE?

[mortal wedge]

Who knows, I didn't get far in their interviewing processes :'D.

Honestly I don't remember, the interview was harrowing enough it eclipsed all memory of the role

[mortal wedge]

Have you guys had any experience applying for positions you're vastly overqualified for?

Like two levels down, less than half your normal pay rate

[hexed jewel]

no but if your talking about applying to positions you're vastly underqualified for...

[smoky quest]

what would you ask these people if they were to exist and be here with us?

[mortal wedge]

If they've found those positions/applications more likely to gain traction

[smoky quest]

I mean, you are bound to find some people who will say they did and others who will say they have not

but in general, you don't go down two levels without a reason

sometimes good reasons (ex: you are in a high level role and want to go back to coding) or bad reasons (ex: you can't find a job)

[mortal wedge]

I mean the reason is that I need to pay my mortgage

[smoky quest]

Sure, and how might it be perceived from the other side?

[mortal wedge]

This person is just here because the market is bad, they will jump ship as soon as they find something better

[smoky quest]

yeah, that and a combination of them not being good enough to pass interviews

And sometimes it's fine and sometimes it's not. Consider that it may take ~3months to hire someone and then 6months to ramp up. Plus add the fact it's not the job they are excited about. So leaving too soon does not make it super worth it, especially in a tight market when there can be other candidates who would be more passionate/interesting/better-fit

that said, you have nothing to lose other than time to apply

[mortal wedge]

For a one off, yeah. But in a meta strategy sense, I have to figure out how to optimally spend my time

Whether I'm hunting for unicorn roles or higher roles or lower roles

[smoky quest]

Sure. Only sith deal in absolute.
You can try for X applications and then try something else and see how it goes

Only pain point is the loop is not timely as it may take weeks to hear back

[mortal wedge]

Yeah. The hiring funnel is moving as slow as molasses rn

I know I shouldn't be freaking out. Like, objectively, I had a strong interview this week and considering that processes are slow to start up at the beginning of a year I'm not doing too poorly. But mentally and emotionally it's taking a toll on me. The last time I looked for work I had multiple offers in < 3 weeks

am I on some sort of national do not hire list now

[smoky quest]

Focus on what you can control and appreciate better how lucky we all were during the previous times 🙂
It's also a great time to focus on health, exercise and your free time.

No point in worrying about things outside of your control. It does takes it toll, but it's just a matter of weeks/months and in the grand scheme, it will be all behind you as soon as you get that job

Also great time to explore business ideas

[mortal wedge]

Yeah. I do have a couple other ideas for income I could pursue

And you're right, just need to focus on what I can control.

[smoky quest]

also keep a schedule, stay social, go to meetups, stay active, etc.

[mortal wedge]

MAybe that's where I'm failing. Recently I've cut back on a lot of my other stuff to focus on the job hunt, hoping that a burst of hyperactivity would fix everything

[smoky quest]

there is a limit to what you can do in a day

[mortal wedge]

After getting fresh air and reflecting the problem is 95% burnout. Reflecting on it I’ve been coding/applying/interview prepping 12+ hours a day straight for at least the last twenty days. Giving myself permission to not touch a single application or IDE over the weekend and see what my outlook is on Monday

[smoky quest]

yeah it can take its toll on your ego and self worth. This needs to be managed like a marathon, not a sprint

[vapid jay]

Can someone help me? I have a store, and I don't know how to make a bot. I want a bot that generates Steam game keys and also generates subscription accounts like Netflix, HBO Max, Disney+, and Prime Video.

[regal axle]

!rule 5 lmao no, no one is going to help you with that ... and that also isn't really possible

[inner wren]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[vapid jay]

sorry;-;

[vapid jay]

Yes, it's possible.

[peak halo]

it is if you use a bot to buy them. I guess.

@vapid jay are you trying to make a store for purchasing steam games and streaming subscriptions, or are you trying to generate free steam games and free streaming accounts out of thin air?

[placid valley]

My partner did this, but more like 3-4 rungs down and yes less than half the pay for far more hours. He got hired by someone he had mentored, and they have enough rapport to know he's getting too old to keep doing big consulting gigs. He's just not able to sustain irresponsible/unhealthy number of hours, he has personal projects and is a caregiver.

[steady violet]

is there a reason to include my certifications on my resume as an entry level software engineer?

i personally dont put any value in them, but im not sure if employers care or not. removing them would also let my resume fit into a single page lol

[peak halo]

I don't think anyone cares about those certs. but it should be straightforward to make your resume fit one page in either case.

[steady violet]

im struggling to make it fit since i try to include as much as i can in my bullet points, let me see if i can send

[peak halo]

you don't need to include "as much as you can". if you haven't had a job before, you haven't really done that much that matters. so if you're cramming the page with as much text as possible, there's probably a lot of fluff.

[steady violet]

@peak halo

[peak halo]

looks good.

[steady violet]

i appreciate it, havent gotten any interviews or OAs after 3 weeks of applying so idk

my old resume was like 1.7 pages of a shitty word template, so hopefully the latex template will appeal to more eyes

[peak halo]

you never should have submitted a resume that was longer than one page.

[steady violet]

😵‍💫

[peak halo]

you get one page to present the information about yourself that's most relevant to the position in question

[steady violet]

makes sense

[tender sun]

Hi, I am confused about a situation. I got an on-site invite for an interview at a small company (local), although I applied for a frontend (React/Next) role, I got the interview for .NET full-stack role.

To add to this, the invitation email also mentioned that I applied through a popular job site locally here, but I have only applied through email to one of their employees who posted the frontend role on facebook. It's been three days now, and I initially thought I would just confront them about this on the day of the interview, but now I'm thinking if I should just contact and ask tomorrow anyway. The interview is the day after tomorrow. Any thoughts or suggestions?

[fringe sphinx]

Why would you ask them? What difference does it make how you applied?

Or are you saying it's for the wrong role?

[tender sun]

Yes, I applied for the frontend with React, but I got invited for full stack .net

[fringe sphinx]

Do you know any .net?

[tender sun]

I initially planned to ask about this on the interview day

[tender sun]

Yes, web API only

[fringe sphinx]

Do they have both job postings published?

It's a tough question. On one hand, you have an interview, on other hand, it may be with wrong team

But if you know enough .net to say; I'm primarily a front end dev but am interested in full stack, then hmm.

[tender sun]

They had three job postings , one was one local popular job site, which was .net full-stack (.net , VB, c#), I did not click apply here, because my applied list did not have their company name. And other two where posted on Facebook (Backend .net only, and frontend React only), and the facebook post asked to email the CV, so I sent my resume on that email, for the Frontend role

[tender sun]

Could work but that full-stack .net post looked like a legacy razor pages or something

[fringe sphinx]

I could go either way on this, you could ask but day after tomorrow is Monday, right? So won't likely get an answer.

This isn't a job board, your post has been removed

[tender sun]

They dropped a phone number of the HR that mailed me

[tender sun]

I also want to mention that I also got a sms text message on my number mentioning that I was invited for interview after I applied on that "site", and also asked me to check my email, that number is only on my resume, so someone must have read the resume too right?
The HR that emailed me this also dropped a phone number, do you think I should call tomorrow?

[fringe sphinx]

I'd assume they just copy/pasted the invite. If the interview is Monday, I think I'd just show up rather than bother someone on Sunday.

[zenith brook]

yoo

[sonic pilot]

hi

How can you freelance

[tender sun]

Sunday is a work day though, in my country , Friday is holiday

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, then nm!

[mortal wedge]

If you're senior enough to need two pages then those certs won't matter and will probably be an anti-signal. If you're junior enough that those certs matter, you don't want to have a multi-page resume

[steady violet]

makes sense 👍

final version of resume if anyone has any suggestions, rewrote/rephrased a lot of the bullets

mainly targetting ML roles and backend roles

[next plover]

Why do you not have periods at the end of each point?

[steady violet]

cause theyre bullets not sentences

[next plover]

interesting, i still use periods

seems odd to use commas and not periods though, might be interpreted as bad punctuation though i dont know

[peak halo]

think from the perspective of an employer: if the resume makes it easy to understand what the applicant can do, and their skills align with the job, why would periods even matter?

if the sentences (they are sentences, or at least phrases) are grammatically correct (punctuation is not part of grammar per se), the author's choice about ending items with periods or not isn't indicative of their communication skills.

[regal axle]

The way I see things like this; most people will probably agree with you. But I’m sure someone will agree with the other guy. And so may as well just add it. Even if it only makes a difference 1 in 100 times. I’ll still take those odds.
-# but yes, personally, I wouldn’t think about it while reading a resume.

[peak halo]

you should have used a colon there, not a semicolon.

[regal axle]

Ummm actually,,, punctuation is fluid and all made up. Language is just a construct.

[steady violet]

Sounds good

[next plover]

I generally don't trust HR to be this reasonable when reviewing resumes lol

You're already fighting a losing game when applying may as well end sentences with periods even if it makes virtually no difference in conveying information (in my opinion)

[mortal wedge]

You can use periods, you can not use periods. But it will look odd if you're inconsistent

Basically, with a standard it's usually more important to follow it consistently than which standard you're using (within reason)

[steady violet]

Do u guys think the skills and technologies listed are sufficient? Anything you’d suggest me to learn? Terraform, kubernetes, etc

[mortal wedge]

Hard to tell. The market is in a weird place right now. Ideally you have the skills listed on the job posting but don't list other distracting skills. The market is also oversaturated that it seems many recruiters don't want to pass you to the next stage without you having all the requisite skills/technologies, even if they're fast to ramp up on.

That said, it's worth picking up skills for specific niche/roles you're targetting, but if you're a generalist.... I don't know. But if you're applying for ML you are going to want/need TF/Pytorch and if you're going for datascience you'll want pandas, etc.

[regal axle]

Also keep in mind that this is your first job. When I see that list, especially full of stuff, I don’t think you actually know most of those things. Just that you used it. Not necessarily even to any proficiency. An HR person might pass you along but a dev will likely not pay much attention to it.
Stuffing it with too many things is a signal of only knowing surface level things in a generalist way. And generalist are sometimes valued, sometimes not.

[split pasture]

how's the job market for a backend swe with 4.5 years of experience?

[mortal wedge]

It's strained across the whole market. As to specific markets, I barely understand my own if at all.

[solid parcel]

What are you actually aiming for? Terraform would be a bit of an odd one to learn given your CV looks aimed towards software engineering roles rather than infrastructure.

It can be useful to have an understanding of Kubernetes, but given you appear to be coming at things from more of a SWE starting point than infra, it may be worth you diving into microservices first and then exploring K8s after that as a means to solve some of the issues microservices can cause.

[steady violet]

well i definitely want to break into distributed systems eventually, but i know that companies don't hire juniors for that so im just settling for whatever to build up experience

[fringe sphinx]

Learning things in hope it's useful to a job is not a great strategy: it's hard to learn something well enough to be a real 'skill' without a project or purpose to use it.

Like, it's good thing to familiarize yourself with things like K8s, but just reading about it isn't really going to be enough for that to make a difference

[steady violet]

yeah i wish i had a reason to use it

[fringe sphinx]

Start with that first: a project, a purpose

It'll make you much better prepared for an interview.

[steady violet]

ill have to think of something

[fringe sphinx]

!kin these are some ideas

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[steady violet]

something like https://onemillioncheckboxes.com/ could be cool

would require some good work to make performant and scalable

[peak halo]

!clban 1461847663593918748 wang chuanfu spam account

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: applied ban to @modest stone permanently.

[polar lynx]

Hey guys, I want to become an AI engineer, or advanced with AI but the roadmap to get there I don't understand properly. I have been finding many resources online but I cannot understand how to actually get there now. I have no coding experience and am willing to put in the work to get there, but don't no where to start, and how to continue. Currently am a High School Student. Could someone help me?

[peak halo]

Since you're in high school, focus on doing well in your courses, and especially in math. You'll probably need to get a masters degree in a relevant subject like computer science.

[polar lynx]

I understand what you are saying, but the school that I am in does not offer any computer science courses. I want to learn AI starting from now, and I know python is the most important. But I don't know the pathway I should take to get there. So I'm really just looking for what order I should go in / learn everything. I hope that makes sense? Thanks for the help again.

[peak halo]

You can start studying AI on your own, but if you're not doing well in school and especially in math, it doesn't matter. At least not in terms of starting a career in that space

[polar lynx]

I'm actually in advanced math classes and meet all the requirements for ML and DL. But the only thing I don't know if how to learn the language of python itself.

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[polar lynx]

I'm sorry but I don't use discord much, is resources a channel?

[peak halo]

No, it's a page on our website

Read the message from the bot.

[polar lynx]

Thanks a lot, will look into it. Thanks again for all the help!

[normal estuary]

I am thinking of learning Python via this roadmap in order:
Read:

1. Automate the boring stuff
2. Python crash course
3. Effective python
4. Fluent python
5. Impractical python projects

Supplementary:

1. Boot.dev for fun
2. Grokking algorithms for learning basics of algorithms/data-structures

Thoughts?

[next plover]

make projects

[urban kettle]

Hey, I’m 14 and I literally know nothing about Python, but I’m kinda interested in it. I’m not sure if it’s even worth starting at my age or if I’d just waste time. Should I actually try learning it? If yes, why is it a good idea, and what kind of stuff could someone with zero experience actually do with it?

[smoky quest]

sure, it's a great idea to learn about programming and CS!

and you can do whatever you can imagine

[urban kettle]

Nice, thanks! I’m still super new though, like I literally don’t know anything. Do you think learning Python now could actually help me in the future with jobs or making money? Also, what’s a good way to start as a total beginner?

[smoky quest]

We are in the age of information, so knowing how to process information (ie. cs/programming) is a very valuable skill

[smoky quest]

https://automatetheboringstuff.com/ is a popular starting point

[urban kettle]

Ahhh okay, that’s actually pretty dope. Makes me wanna start messing around with Python now.

[urban kettle]

thanks

[smoky quest]

right now, you are way too early to worry about a specific career.
That means:

• Keep up the good grades so you can get in the college of your choice
• Build things, discover programming/cs and have fun! Make games, movies, websites, mobile apps, robots or even your own programming language!

[urban kettle]

Ok, thanks

[tidal vault]

How important is first year at uni in comp sci in the uk? Does it matter if I get a really high grade or if I barely pass?

[smoky quest]

by the end of your degree, it won't matter as much.
But you won't get a great 3rd year without having a great 2nd year. And you won't have a great 2nd year without having a great 1st year

Also usually, the first year is the most difficult one as it either makes or break you

If you pass the first year, your chances to graduates will go significantly go up

[lean wave]

heyy i finished basics of python build some projects like to do list and contact book rockpaper game so what should i do next ?

[lean wave]

like kind of moving towards intermediate level

[pine sleet]

build some more projects

[lean wave]

ok then
like i want to go in the field of AI engineering

so after building some projects what should i start with

[pine sleet]

usually a degree. where are you in your education?

[lean wave]

currently in high school going to pass this year

[peak halo]

Hello, this channel is for career discussion. please ask in #data-science-and-ml

[unique patio]

So I have just completed Basic Python( upto basic OOPs) can anyone tell me what projects should i do

[jagged agate]

hello everyone, I'm new to the server

[fringe sphinx]

welcome, #python-discussion is the best place to start!

[mental hornet]

hi guys i know this might sound be weird but are there willing to let me pitch my final year project idea to them and get a review (professors in uni are assigned to do it but none of them really do it)

[halcyon cargo]

is that good for my first day in python

[dire folio]

guys i know writing html + css and python but i just want to extend my knowledge in programming languages , i want to do cybersecurity in the future (in 1 year ima go to the uni studying it) what is a really useful language i can learn now?
should i start studying c?c++?c#? sql? java/script?
or even rust?

[vapid violet]

What did you learn today?

[halcyon cargo]

the basics
the variables
how to make a simple ui
how to extract the project

[vapid violet]

That is quick progress. Unless you are very familiar with programming and just need to pick up the python syntax. I think you should make sure that you are not going to fast and ensure you actually understand the basics to a solid level

And when I say basics I mean: mathematical operations, comparisons, variables, if/elif/else, for loops, while loops, functions

[halcyon cargo]

i am good in these and sure that i am good in them

[halcyon cargo]

Thank you for your advice, I will do it and give everything its due learning 🙏

[craggy scarab]

how you made it? wich platform, google docs or

[steady violet]

With latex, that’s why it looks so nice

https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs heres the template

[craggy scarab]

thank you!

[sonic pilot]

what do you mean freelancing is not as much of a thing

[peak halo]

For one thing, most software that needs to be made isn't one-and-done. It requires ongoing development and maintenance.

[tall brook]

Okay so
I got some stupid questions
Been feeling lost lately
Did some html, css and python. Not much
In python i used pycharms and that's it
How do i export my code so i can work for others (i don't understand what people want when listing jobs)
I need something high demand that people wants but not as difficult to do because I'm still fresh.
I really want to learn this code so i can work from home.
Just a 26 year old trying to figure out his life.
Feels lost.
Haven't been employed for almost 2 years.
Started coding so i can learn and get paid, but hasn't found my way yet.
Things have been real tough lately and it keeps getting worse.

Any advice helps
Thank you

[sonic pilot]

wow

You free plance?

[sonic pilot]

What do you focus on

[vast shoal]

I think you should be managing your expectations. Learning to code on your own isn't magically going to get you a well-paid job you can do from home in short order. There's no such thing as "something high demand that people want but not difficult to do". If there was such a thing, thousands of other people would've already done it by now. Learning software development well enough to find employment through self-study was a tall order even back in the day when the job market was good. The vast majority failed, and the few that succeeded worked very hard and very efficiently. Nowadays it's virtually impossible. Even people who have graduated with CS degrees from uni are having a pretty tough time.

[tall brook]

Dang
Thank you for the advice❤️

[vast shoal]

I don't want to rain on your parade, but you should know the facts.

[trim rose]

what did you do during those 2 years if you werent employed?

[tall brook]

Tbh i did some course from youtube
I don't focus on anything in particular
I was just hoping to land a small job
But the market seems to be in decline with ai

[vast shoal]

It's more to do with post-COVID layoffs and rising interest rates than AI, but yes, the market is not in good shape.

[tall brook]

I did stuff on the side
Basically wasted my time tbh

[trim rose]

remote is very difficult to get into as a salaried employee job. remote free lance work where you are bascilly your own business is feasible but you need to be able to identify pain points, create solutions that provide value, market, sales (you need to convince people to give you money) and also be competent at creating that solution

im new to coding but have been doing entrepnurship for the last 3 years with some success. You should foucs on learning 1 thing and get very very very good at it and talk to as many people as you can. Network network network that will help you find jobs or clients either or.

[open ivy]

For networking contacts or coworkers, how do you all deal with everyone being so excessively quiet? This is a result of everyone including me sometimes being gburned out from overstimulation.

It feels very, very, natural to fill the void. But then I end up talking too much.

[smoky quest]

In terms of coding, you are on a great start! However don't expect to become a pro in 6months starting from nothing. There is a lot to learn and it will take tons of practice. That said, it's a great journey!

In terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation.

Beyond that, you could try to be creative and combine it with your past professional experience as it might give you an edge since you might have developed some expertise in a non-cs area

[smoky quest]

This hasn't been my experience.

Though you could try to bring up a topic someone else is passionate or knowledgeable about. Or ask them about themselves (in a non-creepy way)

[open ivy]

I have fought back against doomscrolling so hard that I avoid the overstimulation burnout for the most part.

Maybe your social circles have more people like me who are talkative? I may be more at home in similar circles.

[smoky quest]

I mean, if you are overstimulated/burnout, then you will avoid people.

you could also try to look for social cues (what they said, facial expression, hands/body position, distance to you, etc.) or directly asking them if they just want to be alone or to appreciate the moment together

[modest kraken]

What do you do if you have a lot of expiernces on your resume

[open ivy]

@smoky quest
"if you are overstimulated/burnout, then you will avoid people."
Yes, happens to me once in a while, but not commonly. Happens to the average person more.
"you could also try to look for social cues"
Yes the social cues and body language indicate a state of withdrawal, dismissiveness, and fatigue.

How are you finding people like me? who don't express these burnout symptoms in the first place?

[near ocean]

Trim it down to the most recent relevant ones (if its customary to have a one page cv)

[smoky quest]

depends

[smoky quest]

how many pages, how many yoe, etc.

[open ivy]

@smoky quest BTW the last resume I gave you is still fairly up to date. But you asked for another one?

[smoky quest]

I don't subscribe to that theory of burnt out people in the first place affective their social behavior as a default mode.
In my experience, it's pretty straightforward in the sense that if they didn't want to socialize, they would not be there in the first place. And the mood would be apparent through social cues or verbalized state.
So most people who talk to you would be there because they have decided to actively engage in social activities, even sometimes in group activities.

[smoky quest]

Last one I remember was years ago?

[open ivy]

I think I gave a more recent, but I can give it another quick update and re-send it.

[smoky quest]

definitely!

[modest kraken]

Is an internship at a startup or one at a uni research lab better?

[peak halo]

What does the startup do?
What does the uni lab research?
What are your career goals?

Holding everything else equal, neither is inherently better.

[modest kraken]

startup would be some sort of saas with some sort of llm pipeline, uni lab would be system/deep learning with biology

i feel like i would learn more from uni

[peak halo]

You didn't answer all three of my questions.

[smoky quest]

What would you be doing there yourself?
What do you expect to get out of it?
How do they map with your career goals?

[vapid violet]

At least at my university I think summer research jobs are capped at 20h per week. While most internships are 30-40h per week

[open ivy]

If I ever get a "stopgap" job (retail, etc) I will NEED personal projects to keep that job and give me an escape from the daily grind.

Otherwise I will not be able to sustain any stopgap job.

Anyone have any stories as to how to best maintain personal projects during a stop-gap job period?

[modest kraken]

I'm not entirely sure about the first one. 2nd one is just experience + something for college apps. I think the research aligns with my interests more but an internship would be more practical.

[trim rose]

if you get a job that gives youa good balance. something flexible that lets you earn a living. if you got a car people sleep on delivering pizza it all really depends on your cost of living and overhead. if your in LA/NY rent prices good luck its gonna be hard to have freetime for your projects you want but if your overhead isn't that expensive their are a lot of opportunities/hustles if you look for them that can sustain you.

[tidal vault]

Im confident im passing but im not sure how much effort i should be putting in as i have other very important stuff currently at work and in my sport . I understand all the content pretty well but im probably sitting at 60% grades atm where im just revisiting the lecture slides and that’s it. Are first year grades requested when applying for placements ?

[steady violet]

Wym important stuff at work, aren’t you fresh out of highschool

[tidal vault]

I’m currently working as a trainee at an accounting company and im doing some automation stuff for them

[steady violet]

Automation? Like coding scripts? Or n8n or something

[tidal vault]

Yeah just very simple python tools to automate some of their tasks

[smoky quest]

Think about it like a bank account with compound interest. The more you put now, the more interest will compound and the more it will yield.
While sport and social activities are import to have, neglecting your school sounds like a terrible idea

[tidal vault]

Im not necessarily neglecting it but im not giving it 100% atm

[smoky quest]

then maybe you should ask what will be the internship is about. It might be quite important if you plan to get into a non-teaching/research career

[smoky quest]

sure. You got the gist of the idea

[tidal vault]

What grades do you think I should be aiming to get in first year?

[smoky quest]

A+

[tidal vault]

So what %

[smoky quest]

100%

[modest kraken]

aim for perfection settle for greatness

[smoky quest]

Think about it like a gaussian distribution.
On average, the average student will get an average job
The top of the curve will get the best career, opportunities and compensation
The bottom of the curve might struggle to find jobs

[steady violet]

Your university is more important than your work imo

[modest kraken]

thanks!

[smoky quest]

so it's entirely up to you for what is your goal. If you want an average job, don't complain you won't get the best career

[modest kraken]

for grades?

[smoky quest]

believe it or not, but the students who tend to have the best grades are usually the ones who tend to have the best mastery of topics and the best outcome

[modest kraken]

i thought the f students were inventors
there's definitly correlation there, but there's people with middle grades who still do well because of other things

[smoky quest]

as I said, it's a curve.
Doing well does not necessarily equate doing as well

We can always construct exceptions, like if daddy is CEO of a multicorp or the best student falls into drug/MR addict and fail school. But that constructed exception does not make a rule

[modest kraken]

first one is something ive seen

[smoky quest]

definitely!
Though if that was the case for you or ye, you would not be asking questions here, you would be partying on a boat 🙂

[modest kraken]

i'll find a way to party on a boat somehow

[smoky quest]

Also obviously, everyone is different, but if you are already asking how much can you coast by in your first year, I highly doubt you would start locking in the 2nd/3rd years. There are things that are parts of building habits and learning how to study, etc.

[deep sierra]

@smoky quest you sound experience on software, do you mind give me some advice?

[modest kraken]

i kind of coasted last year tbh

[smoky quest]

eat healthy, sleep early and drink plenty of water

[smoky quest]

It's entirely up to you.
Some companies might ask for grades when applying for internships and degrees might also help for immigration

plus generally speaking, studying a subject and making you more skilled/knowledgeable can't hurt you

[deep sierra]

lmao, i mean by career/market advice

@smoky quest basicaly finish a electrial eng degreeon 2022, then moved to a masters on cs that is about to finish on next months, by this time i worked on 3 projects, some more R&D, other more market related, but all due my masters advisor, but now im struggling to find job opportunities even on junior/entry level, so im wondering what am i doing wrong. i think its bcs companies tend to prefer industry experience rather than academic R&D projects.

so do you have any ideia on how can i overcome this to find my "first" job on industry? worth to contact some companies directly outside public job offers? if so, how to approach them on a better way?

[smoky quest]

At what step of the process are you having issue? Are people calling you back for interviews?

[deep sierra]

its worse, i almost dont get any interviews. i think my current conversion rate its about 70 applications to 1 interview

[modest kraken]

from what ive seen from other ppl this seems to be pretty typical?

[smoky quest]

Feel free to post here an anonymized version of your resume for review

[vital crane]

Wdym?

[steady violet]

I was talking to the dude in the channel, I wasn’t making a general statement

[vital crane]

Oh mb

[trim rose]

Network network network. Apply to all the apps you can find but try and build relationships and contacts with people in the industry and companies. You will be surprised by how much opportunities you will find by knowing someone or someone knows you and they send it your way. It’s a long term ROI but it can only help.

[deep sierra]

ok i will

[deep sierra]

ofc i know this can help, but how do you even do network on the industry without being employed? like, my current network is only the people from the university, most of them also didnt have a big network outside the academi environment

[deep sierra]

wow, this is normal among developers?

[fringe sphinx]

Meetups, uni clubs, just asking professors and recents grads. Never have lunch alone. Networking isn't asking people for jobs, it's taking the time to listen and learn.

[trim rose]

Unapologetically try to talk to people. Get on LinkedIn. Send connection requests with people in the industry. DM them questions. Get a premium subscription so you can use inMails. Email people. Ask good questions/interesting questions not for a job. I recently attended a sales zoom on quickbase software I was curious what they offered for developers. Built a relationship with a high level developer who was the one running the zoom who gave me a lot of free advice when I asked him questions about career stuff.

[lime ferry]

but to be honest i really want to try the supegc on the validating counter because i really think its a good choice for non involved devs like my self since i tend to be more focused on the outer layer of the javascript and python but on linkedin i tend to find jobs pretaining to coding less interested so i dont really know about the uni clubs ill maybe try meetups though.

[deep sierra]

if u can take a look, thx in advance

https://anonym-curriculum.tiiny.site

wait idk its allowed to post images, so i think this is better

[peak halo]

I'm getting whiplash when you say that you do python (flask) and then that you do ML and NLP. As you know, flask is just for web development.

Does your actual resume say where you worked for those three positions? And you redacted them with white? Because you need to say where you worked.

[deep sierra]

haha, initialy i used mos for ML and NLP stuff, but later used on my last job on a startup

[deep sierra]

yes they say, but only the last one was literaly a company/startup, the 2 first was projects with public funding/funds, where we were developing a solution for some sector or ministry of the government

so even though its technically relevant, i think for most companies it doesnt really "count"

[broken ice]

i wouldn't say "solid background" in your profile...I'd be a bit more descriptive than "solid" lol also, tailor your resume to the job posting that you're looking to apply to. Change some of the verbiage up to hit those keywords in the job post. Resume's are living documents and should be reviewed before you attach it to an application.

[leaden ice]

guys

do I need the full knwoledge in python to start building stuff

[proud glacier]

no

[vapid jay]

nah just start making stuff and learn as you go

[leaden ice]

so u mean I dont wanna learn the full 12 hours course?

@proud glacier

[vapid jay]

you can, but you dont need to

[leaden ice]

so what to do pls

[vapid jay]

think of something you want to make and make it, and learn as you go

[leaden ice]

wym learn as u go?

[leaden ice]

yeah I wanna make a website

[vapid jay]

then start making one and if you dont know how to do something in that process learn how to and keep making the website

[leaden ice]

should I give a break to python and learn html

[vapid jay]

up to you learn what you want to learn

[leaden ice]

so u mean when I cant do something ask from AI?

[solid parcel]

It's going to take you a lot more than 12 hours to get even halfway decent. That said, one of the best ways to learn is to start building. If you can write a hello world function, you can build something. Never too soon to start.

[leaden ice]

Hmmm

[fringe sphinx]

If you want to 'get good': When you're stuck, try to figure it out without ai. Ask a question in #python-discussion . Only as a last resort, ask Ai for a hint... not a solution (but preferably after googling, and trying to figure it out in your own)

[leaden ice]

Ohh okay btw why is that .Ai is easier

[leaden ice]

How did u learn python?

[fringe sphinx]

So is going to the gym and having my friend lift the weights.

[leaden ice]

And how are u remembering things in python

[leaden ice]

Bruh fr

[fringe sphinx]

Mostly by writing (and reading) code , but also talking to people in #python-discussion , reading, occasionally watching videos.

[leaden ice]

@fringe sphinx

[fringe sphinx]

See above

General advice in this pinned message: #python-discussion message

[leaden ice]

Ohh okay thx .so u learnt from there

[fringe sphinx]

I'm old, I knew several languages and worked professionally before learning Python, so I didn't really use any of those.

[leaden ice]

Wow so u didn't learn python

[fringe sphinx]

I learned Python, but just by reading the documentation mostly. A very boring way to do it

[leaden ice]

Hmm

[leaden ice]

Btw do u play games ?

[fringe sphinx]

Chess

[viral tartan]

did you have a method for learning it in a certain way? or just read it as it is

[leaden ice]

Ohh I mean video games

[fringe sphinx]

Since I already knew other languages, I mostly looked for what was same vs different

I got a few things wrong at first, because I assumed a few incorrect things.

[viral tartan]

Oh alright, thanks

[fringe sphinx]

For someone with experience in another language, the Python tutorial is good (but is not an easy read nor meant for beginners): https://docs.python.org/3/tutorial/index.html

[visual crystal]

Sure can I build something.

[sour raven]

Is anyone vibe coder here

[next plover]

Me

[peak halo]

Please don't post the same question in multiple channels. People already started talking about this in #python-discussion

[sour raven]

Ok

[open ivy]

Lots of people I meet in tech are working for big tech making the Algorithm more addictive.

Such a job is simply not worth it:

1. Work and ~100 more people or so suffer, due to enhanced addiction etc.
2. Don't work, and I suffer due to lack of necessities.
   One person suffering is far better than 100...

BUT there are also tech jobs where the business model actually aligns reasonably well with helping society. Tech is a big field afterall. The motivation to work hard in these is much bigger. Anyone know of examples?

[lilac yoke]

I would think a very very small percentage of people in tech work on recommendation algorithm centered positions

[solid parcel]

Sounds like you're conflating working for big tech with working on addictive algorithms. There's a reality to the fact that when an organisation reaches a certain size, there are usually substantial negative externalities from their operation, however much of a positive they may also provide.

That said, there are certainly some orgs I'd feel much more comfortable working for than others... I don't think there's a salary high enough for me to work for Palantir, for example.

[open ivy]

If the net is positive than that's ok. My father's Cisco cybersec marketing role seems generally good, as we all need better defenses.

Also big companies are big so have many places and roles.

I do agree that smaller companies are generally more good for society, as we all benefit from competition.

It would be nice to have an encyclopedia of what job roles are like day to day and likely impacts. I don't really understand what's out there.

I think of money as "very nice to have" up to 120k today's US dollars. But not as a necessity. Because I also have friends and actively reach out to meet more people for absolute emergency needs (two way street, I also should help them if they need help with emotional support etc).

This is good for my career search, as they hate hiring desperate people.

[merry mason]

Odd

[sonic pilot]

Heyyy

[lean skiff]

look up cs50 harvard

[open ivy]

I don't want to have "white fragility". Which means being strong enough to tank a twitter-shame racist accusation WITHOUT it getting to my head, WITHOUT me avoiding future black people (they are very diverse, and many are amazing to be with), and WITHOUT me taking it out on other struggling people.

Black and brown people go though so much !@#$ these days it's only understandable that there is anger! Too bad it is human nature (regardless of color) to take things out on vulnerable people instead of, say, focusing on people in power such as tenured professors at universities and bosses with decent headcounts when they abuse that power.

NOTE: False accusations do NOT generally happen with over-zealous DEI initiates. Instead, they occur when DEI doesn't do it's job, people get frustrated, and they lash out at those who have lower social status because doing so is safer.

So for MLK day, how to become the opposite of white-fragility on the workplace?

[trim rose]

Why is this in career advice lmao

[solid parcel]

This is an odd post and reads like you don't know what to do with frustration you're feeling as a result of your job search not going well. I'd be mindful that it doesn't come across particularly well.

[lean skiff]

Get off twitter

[open ivy]

Why is it bad to make myself a better person in terms of dealing with racial justice (and it's MLK day)? Esp in (USA) todays time with such high levels of stress that performance is dropping in the workplace.

[open ivy]

Good advice for everyone? Social media is one of the worst places to meet people or find good content.

[lean skiff]

Honestly I think this channel is more meant for people trying to get advice on tech-related careers. Your message comes off as a twitter rant ☠️. I get that u go through stuff but just ignore things out of ur control bro

[open ivy]

Not having white fragility is a mental thing, and it IS within my own control.

Also, social is the rate limiting step for me getting a tech job. No one is going up to me and asking me to talk about how "amazing" my projects are. Or is testing me on my coding prowess. So social considerations aren't off topic. Also, if I can ease the stress of coworkers even slightly, that is a significant productivity boost without causing burnout.

[smoky quest]

I mean, it comes down to not being racist and not blaming your problems on others?

[open ivy]

Are you saying that if I observe white fragility in another white person, that they are probably racist?

I thought it is different than racism, more of a defensive reaction? Either way it seems easy enough to avoid as long as I remind myself from time to time.

[smoky quest]

if you discriminate someone based on their race, then it would be racism

[open ivy]

I thought fragility was more about discomfort whites have when POC bring up race to white people?

Like a topic they don't like. Does that automatically make them racist? No. But difficult conversations (conversations about large social status differences) are important to have from time to time since we don't need a world where huge inequalities are ignored.

[smoky quest]

that sounds like an invented problem

[open ivy]

I guess I am pretty good at not running away from difficult topics?

Because it's much more common other people will give me the "lets stop having this conversation" phrase than the other way around.

So I am good at staying with it when people bring up difficult topics.

[smoky quest]

in my experience, when people say that, it has more to do with the content of what you were saying than the fact it was about race

[open ivy]

Usually it isn't about race.

A common pattern is that other people bring up a pessimistic topic (most recently this was the ICE raids because we drove under a protest on an overpass).

Then I express tempered optimism (i.e. I think the popularity is dropping so low the resistance will eventually win, for this example). I brought up Owl House, which gives a surprisingly realistic description of how authoritianism collapses, as inspiration.

But they were soooooo pessimistic that they got dismissive.

I still think at least fighting the pessimism a bit is a good strategy, because it is sooooo toxic otherwise. Even with the slight inevitable social faux pas.

[fringe sphinx]

This is career advice, and my career advice is: Don't talk about race, religion, sexuality or other similar topics in any work setting. Keep your personal opinions personal, and extricate yourself from conversations that involve them.

[deep sierra]

hmm, you think that can help to get more interviews? bcs i think sometimes the time/years of experience isnt enough

[open ivy]

If a POC brings up race to me I am not afraid to engage at a cautions level. But you are right about not bringing it up (there are other ways to bring up "hidden gems" without explicit mentiones to race).

[fringe sphinx]

If anyone brings up race to me in a work setting, I change the subject or don't engage.

[open ivy]

I am not afraid of it. I am brave.

[fringe sphinx]

🤷 I'd say foolish.

[open ivy]

Don't be so fearful. Driving to work is more dangerous.

Common sense caution is fine.

[fringe sphinx]

I try to set a good example - race, religion, sexuality and other topics are not work friendly topics.

[summer roost]

framing this as "bravery" or "danger" seems ridiculous. Don't talk about topics that people find upsetting in a setting where upsetting people has major and long lasting consequences

[open ivy]

I don't bring them up on my own. We were talking about someone else brining them up.

[summer roost]

right, so the best career advice is to refuse to engage, and to change the topic

any other option has far more downside than upside

the absolute best case scenario is that you discover that you're in total agreement on everything. Any other case than that is a losing proposition, for both of you. It will be harder to work with someone once you know that you disagree on questions of values.

[smoky quest]

In terms of career/employment, you are one step away from:

• Tweet that publicly call out something you said, even if taken out of context
• One call to HR away
• Getting the company to get sued because it was brought up during interviews

[open ivy]

I am not afraid to engage cautiously. It's their topic so they are responsible.

I think Twitter shaming is a Boogieman and if it happens to me I wait for it to "go down the Twitter hole".

Again, I would be cautious. But it is THIER topic and thus they are responsible.

[summer roost]

you are absolutely responsible for which topics you choose to engage with

abdicating responsibility just because someone else brought it up first is, again, ridiculous

[smoky quest]

none of these matter if they sue the company or a future employer sees your name in a twitter flame

[steady violet]

how is any of this related to the topic of the channel?

[open ivy]

If I am shamed on Twitter:

1. It will not impact me because no one cares. The vast majority of posts are buried anyway.
2. OR in the unlikely event that it does blow up, there are remedies. Sue for defamation.

Twitter shames are nothing compared to a felony or even a misdemeaner conviction. There is a significant bias in the US criminal justice system particularly for drug crimes.

[smoky quest]

googling candidates is a thing, especially if they get to the later stages

[open ivy]

If it is a significant impact on employment than I have standing to sue for removal (or flag posts, etc).

Defamation is illegal and as you say companies don't want lawsuits.

[peak halo]

Sue who? Your prospective employer?

[smoky quest]

How do you demonstrate it's defamation and not just an opinion?

[open ivy]

Flag the posts that mention my name.

[fringe sphinx]

I keep my personal life separate from my work life. I advise you to do the same.

[open ivy]

I will. I am careful what to bring up in work. But I am not so fearful.

[peak halo]

It seems like you're answering a question other than the one I asked.

[fringe sphinx]

Then I'm not really sure why you're bringing this up here then. What's the career advise question?

[summer roost]

Genuinely, this seems like something you should talk through with your therapist, not with coworkers and not with a career advice forum and certainly not with strangers on Twitter. This is far outside the realm of career advice, beyond the common and obvious advice to avoid controversial topics at work

[open ivy]

How do handle difficult topics that others bring up.

[fringe sphinx]

Easy - don't engage. That's my advice.

[summer roost]

Give non-commital answers, suggest a new topic. At most say that you're not willing to share opinions on the clock.

If the person you're talking to wouldn't be welcome to crash at your home, they're not a friend, they're just a coworker. You don't owe them conversations on difficult topics.

[fringe sphinx]

"I hope the weather will be nice this weekend"

"I can't find any good bbq around here... does anyone make a good brisket?"

[next berry]

To be direct, this is quite a naive take 😅

[next berry]

Never mind, just read this. The message seems like blatant trolling with a thinly veiled attempt to relate it to careers advice.

[next berry]

This isn't even making an attempt to be careers related lol

[open ivy]

Do you have a specific career question to talk about?

[next berry]

I did, wanted to point out the off topic so it could be removed before I start a different discussion.

[open ivy]

I don't think social things are off topic, since difficult things do get brought up in the workplace and we cant all just turn into petrified statues when they do lol.

BUT it isdefinitely your turn to bring up your own topic.

Please don't be afraid to bring up your topic. Even if it is embarrassing or whatever.

[next plover]

good lord

[long solar]

anyone here work at a startup

[open ivy]

I used to but it was tiny and imploded lol.

They actually didn't overwork me. Lots of things had to be figured out. It felt half way better. Friendship and employment. Benefits are not as good. More flexibility in day to day work.

[long solar]

They actually didn't overwork me
Is that typically what happens

[true harness]

it depends on the stage the company is at

[next berry]

Typically yes, the (assuming tech role) startup has edge in their market because they can focus on one thing with more concentration than a larger bureaucratic company

[open ivy]

I think individual differences exceed group-level differences. Ultimately it is a human relationship (thus my frequent posts about social interaction). And humans vary A LOT.

Wherever you are, set boundaries that equate to sustainable average workload and allow for occasional surges and hope for the best.

[long solar]

90k guaranteed or 85k w 10k performance bonus

[regal axle]

90k guaranteed

[summer roost]

That's a ~5% difference in pay between the lowest possible and the highest. Those are close enough that you should probably be deciding based on factors other than the comp.

[long solar]

like what factors

[next berry]

Has this been agreed upon contractually? I've seen similar payout structures from scam startup job posts

[long solar]

Lol I've already been paid hourly its definitely not a scam. its just turning salaried now

[true harness]

so this is a raise/change in your current job?

[long solar]

its going from 40/hr contractual to a salaried position

[summer roost]

oh, I see - I thought you were evaluating two different offers from two different companies. One company is offering to let you choose between two different comp structures? That's... weird...

[long solar]

is it

[true harness]

you should just ask for 90k and up to 5k bonus (or more, i guess). the performance bonus potentially costing you money is definitely odd

[summer roost]

I've never heard of a company asking you to take a lower base salary in exchange for a performance incentive before. Seems weird to me.

[long solar]

well they're a startup

[next berry]

Sometimes they will let you, eg take bonus in a specific currency, or get less bonus, for tax reasons. But the employee would already be aware of this way in advance most likely.

[summer roost]

yeah, that'd be less surprising. But this is essentially asking whether you'd like your bonus to be $0k to $10k based on performance, or $5k regardless of performance. Seems like a weird thing to ask to me..

is your decision meant to be permanent, or is this an offer that's specific for, like, your first year in the role? I have heard of places that guarantee your first year's bonus instead of making it be performance based, with the explanation being that while you're new in the role you'll mostly be learning and have few opportunities to distinguish your work... but that's something they apply to all new hires, not something they let the new hire choose on

[next berry]

I've had similar situations with $USD and Cayman dollars, sometimes taking a hit on bonus means you receive more net income due to other asset holdings and/or incomes

[long solar]

is your decision meant to be permanent, or is this an offer that's specific for, like, your first year in the role?
I guess this is a good question to ask

[next berry]

Based on your username, are you working for a startup fund which is domiciled in a tax efficient jurisdiction?

[long solar]

idk dude its in boston

[peak halo]

Why are Cayman dollars even part of the equation here?

Is anyone in this situation actually based there?

[next berry]

Was giving an example of a similar situation I had?

[peak halo]

Oh sorry

I have great reading comprehension.

[next berry]

Is it domiciled in Boston? Unlikely to be the case, given they're offering the different payout structures

[long solar]

it might be domiciled in london but i dont even know what domiciled means

[next berry]

Ok, are you working for a startup fund? Does the startup trade something in some way?

[long solar]

oh, no, that'd be cool though

[next berry]

We really need more information than what you're providing here 😅

[long solar]

there's like 6 employees

[summer roost]

very. The most relevant question for choosing between these two isn't how it affects year 1 in the job (where it's at most a 5% difference in pay), but how it will affect your pay in future years. A higher base is probably a better jumping off point for future negotiations than a higher max incentive comp.

[next berry]

If it's a startup in the traditional sense, find how and where they're incorporated (LLC in Delaware or whatever), then see if you can get a tax advisor to give a free consultation on what to do.

[next berry]

Yeah this is probably the best approach here. If you don't care about tax, and/or won't potentially trigger asset/income declaration thresholds, it makes sense to go for higher base.

[long solar]

That's a good point. I might ask to combine the choices into like 88k guaranteed with 4k bonus

[next berry]

Do you know the terms behind these options? This is pretty important information, you didn't mention having options earlier.

[long solar]

I just know performance based is discretionary

[summer roost]

by "options" they meant "alternatives", not the financial instrument, I believe

[long solar]

yeah that's correct

I get equity either way

[next berry]

Ok so higher base. $5k is a blip career wise, having a higher base early on is valuable.

[solid parcel]

You seem to be mistaking an inability to read the room with bravery. Obliviousness to either the sensitivity of a topic or your own clumsy way of navigating it is not akin to bravery.

[summer roost]

no need to resurrect the off-topic conversation. We've moved on.

[solid parcel]

Valid, I hadn't seen quite how many messages there had been since, nor how much time had passed!

[vapid violet]

I am still trying to figure out what things are just marketing/spam and what things are worth pursuing when it comes to DMs on requiting sites. Just got this

[placid valley]

Sorry to dead thread but things like this, idealist, and various non-profit sites exist: https://techjobsforgood.com/

Biomedical and scientific computing are interesting places but they're completely wrecked market wise at the moment

[solid parcel]

It outright says it's sponsored, and his account appears to check out. Just part of an ad campaign

[vapid violet]

I just dont want to be missing stuff right now

[solid parcel]

Are you finding the market quiet? At least in the UK, the last couple of weeks have been a hive of activity compared to the preceding months

Albeit that was a very low bar to clear...

[vapid violet]

I am trying to get something, my current stance is that I have to apply to everything I am eligible for. If someone was reaching out semi directly I dont want to pass it up

[trim rose]

If it’s sponsored it’s a pay per click ad someone PAID for you to get. Recruiters don’t need to do that they can just send you a inmail, connection request or post a job ad (easiest option for them). Most sponsors is absolute slop with few being interesting product/service offerings.

[leaden ice]

How

[trim rose]

https://harvardonline.harvard.edu/course/cs50-introduction-computer-science

[lean skiff]

https://cs50.harvard.edu/python/

[leaden ice]

Is it free?

The certificate

@lean skiff

[lean skiff]

I’m not even doing the certificate it’s paid to get it I think, the lectures u can just watch no sign up needed it’s a really good course for learning python

[leaden ice]

Ohhh it says that I need to sign up for free to watch python course

[deep sierra]

try to ask gemini to teach you

[leaden ice]

Ohh is it good

[leaden ice]

How did u learn

[deep sierra]

reading is way faster than passively watching videos, also you can ask the AI to send you exercises based on your current level, after you reading and take notes on something. Then if you struggle you ask for hints and try for a while. If takes to much time, then maybe the problem is above your current level, so just ask for a solution to the exercise, and ask a new one a little bit more easy

[leaden ice]

Ohh

[deep sierra]

ive using this "pipeline" and worked pretty well for me. After you understand enough about the syntax and the properties of the language, you should try to make your own project, could be web or even some desktop app, as long as its useful for smth real

[leaden ice]

What's pipeline?

[deep sierra]

.

[leaden ice]

Ohhh

[lean skiff]

no you can just go to this it lets u

https://cs50.harvard.edu/python/weeks/

[leaden ice]

The certificate?

[lean skiff]

No

[leaden ice]

Is it free

[lean skiff]

You go there and just watch the videos and follow along in vscode. It’s free. The course is highly recommended by people it’s basically just Harvard lectures. AI is ok as a tool I wouldn’t recommend ur whole lesson plan be decided by it though because it’s wrong often

[leaden ice]

Ohh . what's that certificate thing?

[lean skiff]

U can get a certificate from them. That part is paid I think. The course itself is free.

[leaden ice]

Ohh it's in the yt right the lectures

[lean skiff]

You can use the playlist but just go to each section 0, 1, and so on.

[half geode]

hi

[faint kraken]

I think if you get good marks after completing the course
That certificate becomes free for those pupils.
I am not sure about it.
But any one may take some information from google also.
Btw I heard from one of my friend about that marks and free certificate info.

[leaden ice]

Ohh

[static grail]

what kind of jobs are you trying to apply, i mean for junior position, middle level or even higher?
where are you based in, and where are you applying for?

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 1330109191427199023 We don't allow advertising in this server, and especially not in unrelated channels like 'career advise'. Your post has been removed

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @lean wave.

[fringe sphinx]

Plz ask in #python-discussion

[next berry]

Just because it's sponsored doesn't mean it's legit. Seems unusual that reddit would be running a campaign to pick up individual users in the first place.

[vapid violet]

I did recently apply for their internship

[urban kettle]

is cs50 good for starting off with programming?

[balmy mural]

Yes, it's a good starting point

[urban kettle]

ok thanks

[urban kettle]

do you have any tips for me

[balmy mural]

What's your current educational background and what's your goal with learning programming?

[urban kettle]

I’m currently a high school student Im still figuring things out but my goal with programming is to learn the basics build projects, and see if it’s something I want to pursue seriously in the future.

[fringe sphinx]

Other tips: #python-discussion message

[balmy mural]

Only additional tip I'd have is then to not push yourself too hard and have fun. You still have a lot of time to learn programming. You probably won't be able to build something yet without some help after finishing cs50. So expect to make a lot of mistakes and to google and ask a lot of questions

[urban kettle]

hmm ok thanks

[pallid shale]

Heyy, I'm currently searching for remote work(i don't want to be paid, i only want it for training and being like more serious about working for someone), soo does somebody knows where can I find a community or smth? I mean a community for like a Roblox game, Instagram organization, etc. I can to program Discord bots. I'll be grateful to anybody who texts me.

[sand oasis]

Wow that's great

[steady violet]

What’s your age and experience?

[pallid shale]

I`m 15 and I don't have big experience(around 4months), BUT I am learning fast how to make bots.

[steady violet]

I’d suggest just keep working on personal projects. You don’t really need to work under someone this early into your journey

[deep sierra]

Naah, i think the earlier he start working on a real project, the better

[deep sierra]

Learn how to make simple websites, even the most basic website you can think

[pallid shale]

Thanks for the advice!

[peak halo]

If by "work under someone" you're talking about at a business, you need a certain amount of skill before it's even worth someone's time to mentor you

[pallid shale]

Thanks, but I'm not interested in HTML, JS and CSS...

[pallid shale]

Noo, i just want to "work" for a community or a person who will give me tasks to do for amount of time.

Because I want to jump into serious work

[deep sierra]

If you are only willing to make discord bots, then go to some online discord stores and offer your services for free

There is a lot of people that own discord stores and pay a few bucks for some bot development

[pallid shale]

oh, that's actually a good idea, thanks!

[deep sierra]

Probably this is the most “serious” work you can get related to your interests

[dusty moon]

Boss keeps giving me seemingly unclear, vague instructions at work python and I’m now questioning my ability to understand questions

[craggy scarab]

ye but everyone says that, python has a lot of years so its so easy to find a person at that level, thats the reason they gotta filter out, start to do good things

[hexed pawn]

Anybody here with good careeer in computer vision

[wheat urchin]

wdym

[mortal wedge]

What's your question?

Oh that's like 8 hours old

[ornate osprey]

HeyGuys, Can someone help me with advice of A.I. and Machine Learning Advice, Tips & Tricks, Web resources, YT Videos, and more? and also what's the best Python libraries and APIs to use for AI and Machine Learning beginners as i am for me to use too?

[pine sleet]

Hi folks, in a bit of a tough spot here. I've been applying since last September with probably over 300 applications at this point with no interviews. I'm considered an international student so I'm not sure if that's the reason or if my resume is just that trash. I've reached out to most of my contacts, networked with recruiters, but haven't really been seeing any results so I'm kind of lost on what to do here. I implemented most of the feedback from the previous times I posted my resume, but I'd like another go at it. All feedback is appreciated

[potent pelican]

As a python learners how they earn money?

[smoky quest]

Overall, it's not trash. You might suffer from graduating in 2027.

That said:

• Might want to change helping people to mentoring
• Might want to talk about what kind of contributions you did to the pydis repos
• For vipyr, you should elaborate on the stack/arch. Show, don't tell
• resulting in a 0.44% failure rate makes it sound like you did create failure rate
• db-migrations, how do you track the state?
• Kinda missing on that algo depth

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> recruitment across multiple channelrs

[still condor]

!cleanban @gilded wraith spam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @gilded wraith permanently.

[lilac yoke]

I think a solid summary of qualifications could help. You've done just about as much as you can without working as an engineer. Keep applying throughout the school year, don't give up. I landed my last internship a week before school got out.

Don't be afraid to inflate your titles a bit too. Maybe change the volunteer experience section to just "experience", can even say "OSS Software Engineer at Vipyr Security", or "Open Source Python Project Lead", etc.

Texas A&M should have some good resources for landing jobs as well, try their career advising team: https://careercenter.tamu.edu/about/services/advising

I'm sure there are people who work there whose sole purpose is to get students hired, that is who I reached out to at my university for referrals.

[smoky quest]

imho, this would be crossing a line

[lethal monolith]

hello

[lilac yoke]

If you make it clear its an open source project it's fine. I have friends who filed LLCs just to say they were a Software Engineer on their resumes for an app they threw on the app store

[smoky quest]

if you get by with cheap tricks like that, that says more about your reach than anything

that's just bad advice for weak candidates

[lilac yoke]

I don't consider it a cheap trick. If you spend months creating an app, setting up payments and provisioning cloud resources under your name, publishing the product to the world, you're a startup founder. File an LLC and call yourself a software engineer-- you are.

[smoky quest]

depends if you make it part of your journey or make it appear as if you were employed by it

[waxen plaza]

Woaaaahh that's so impressive. You're a genius 😭😭

[vestal bay]

poor grade

[tulip dragon]

Yo guys, I just covered python basics, whats the best choice to do? (i) learn automation (ii) learn python deeply

[marsh beacon]

What is any advice you would give a 15-year-old learning Python/Lua/Html But does not know what else to do?

[near ocean]

I probably wouldnt give them career advice just yet

[marsh beacon]

Why is that?

[near ocean]

Its too early? Keep your grades up and get into college first

[next plover]

You are a child go have fun

[marsh beacon]

I am having fun.

Coding is fun.

[near ocean]

So keep doing that, thats the advice

[marsh beacon]

No, I need career advice.

[near ocean]

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[marsh beacon]

Yes, I know that step. These are baby steps you are giving me. I need real-world computer science people to give me advice and help me guide myself to a better future.

[thorn jackal]

If you have any specific areas of interest, I would look into coding projects within those areas. Learning by doing is probably the best way to go about it is with projects. Of course if you are totally new or a beginner in programming you might need to follow along with tutorials and try to understand what is going on. Reading books on different topics can also be beneficial at the start. e.g. if you like cyber security, then you could implement some of the tools used in the field or by hackers in python just to learn how they work and to get experience coding things. One relatively easy project in cyber security would be implementing netcat in python.

[marsh beacon]

Thank you.
One question does cyber security pay the most because almost everyone I see is in it.
I was into software engineer or Video game programer, eaither or is great for me.

[thorn jackal]

Software engineer is pretty broad field, so you might want to think a bit more specifically what exactly you would like to work with in that field. I have personally worked within the embedded device sector ranging from elevators to radio networks.

Cyber security can be pretty well paying sector, but it all depends on where you live and such. Up here in northern europe I see all software engineering jobs having relatively similar salary ranges.

As for video game programming, one way to dip into that is looking into making simple games with pyGame or similar library. Just start out simple and slowly build up the skills in the field.

[marsh beacon]

Thanks.

[next plover]

Do not focus on cybersecurity right now. Get a good foundation in programming, networking and operating system fundamentals first

It pays well because it's insanely competitive and you have to be relatively skilled in lots of areas in IT, it is generally not something you get into as your first job out of college either

If you're dedicated however you can definitely start in cyber it's just not the easiest way to get in, especially with the current market

Ironically i completely ignored the advice I just gave you and got a job fine so it's definitely possible if you are truly passionate

[thorn jackal]

Just like with everything, luck has a lot to do with things too. Also having contacts in companies help a lot. But making projects during your freetime or contributing to open-source is something that can be counted as experience when fishing for that first position to get started

[next plover]

Luck + preparation = opportunity

My programming experience and blog helped a ton

[solid parcel]

Sadly it also often doesn't pay that well and at many orgs slips into being a wielder of checklists and compliance standards rather than interesting engineering work. Cyber is often viewed as a risk function, a cost centre and an obstacle to getting work done.

[thorn jackal]

Sadly most things can be made extremely boring and soulless by having it done by corporations 😅

[solid parcel]

I spent a good 3 days last week just having to map out features and write Jira tickets. Tell me about it...

[viscid chasm]

Cyber or Ai and ml?

Or both

[solid parcel]

It's not really possible to answer a question like this as there's no objective answer. The fields are different, broad and extremely deep. Both are also in high demand. It comes down largely to what work you'd actually find interesting, which isn't something someone else can reasonably determine.

[balmy sand]

Any advice for me? I have just completed html, css, javascript.. going towards backend focusing to become a full stack developer.. right now I'm a computer science engineering student in 2nd year 4th semester.. i am just confused will it be worth becoming a full stack developer.. already ai is generating frontend code and specifically claude generates backend.. idk how can i be just different ? and get internship by 3rd year and get placed as soon as i complete my engineering.

[thorn jackal]

Hard to say how much AI will hit different programming fields, so far I have seen it being used as a tool to handle the busy work but people ultimately review the code and sometimes make changes to it to better fit the user needs / specification. I don't personally see it being a thing that will replace programmers, but I do see it being a tool that needs to be mastered to keep up with the demands of business.

[marsh beacon]

Ok.

[solid parcel]

A whole new layer of abstraction, a whole new skill to use it effectively