career-advice

[languid pasture]

Okay, I was confused that am I missing out on something? Modules use Pips to enter, while following a course by CodeWithHarry. He told to use pip to download the module.
When I start to practice it why did it not work out?
What is Terminal(I saw him using it)

I have a lot of questions, I am fresher(Knowing some basics). Please co-opeate with me, I am sorry for inconviences caused by me.

Can I be your friend? I am from India too.

[vapid jay]

You’re not missing out on anything , this confusion is completely normal, especially at the beginning.
pip is just a tool used to install extra Python libraries (called modules). Sometimes it doesn’t work because Python or pip isn’t set up correctly on your system yet - that’s a setup issue, not your fault.
The Terminal is simply a place where you type commands to talk to your computer directly. When CodeWithHarry uses it, he’s telling Python or pip what to do (like installing a module or running a file). You’ll get comfortable with it slowly ,no rush at all.
And hey, you don’t need to apologize for asking questions. Every programmer starts exactly like this.

[languid pasture]

Thank you for brief explaination, I would like if you suggest me some courses that can help me?

(Please accept my Friend request )

[vapid jay]

You’re welcome! For learning Python, here are some courses/resources that really help beginners:

1. Programiz Python tutorial – easy and clear for basics
2. CodeWithHarry Python course – good explanations in Hindi/English
3. Python.org official tutorial – basic but useful
4. freeCodeCamp Python videos (YouTube) – full free course
5. Replit Learn Python – interactive practice right in browser
   These will build your foundation step by step. Just practice regularly and don’t rush too fast — you’ll understand things better with time .

[languid pasture]

It seems like you don't feel comfortable when I ask for friend request? If it is like that, you can tell me I am chill guy. I won't mind

[vapid jay]

It’s not about discomfort at all — I just prefer to keep learning discussions in public channels for now. Thanks for understanding!

[languid pasture]

May I introduce myself?

[vapid jay]

sure

[languid pasture]

My name is Rohin Verma, 13 years old. I am newbie at Python, while a respected and noticible admin in an influencer's Discord Community.
My hobbie is to supervise and moniter Discord Communities.

[vapid jay]

Nice to meet you, Rohin. That’s great that you’re learning Python at such a young age.

[languid pasture]

I want to live a luxurious life, because I don't want to see my family members and myself in an vunreable state.

[vapid jay]

great

I think it’s best to continue discussions here in the server so everyone can learn together. Wishing you the best with Python!

[languid pasture]

As you wish, I respect your decisions as you are elder than me.

[vapid jay]

thank you

[modest kraken]

What a formal conversation

[vapid jay]

please don't disclose any sort of personal details here
keep conversation limited to learning purpose

[languid pasture]

I mean 10s and thounsands of people know about now

What should be my target to learn?

[vapid jay]

I am not so professional,
so anyone else here can guide you for it..

[languid pasture]

Where do you work? If you like to talk about it, I agree

Check my bio to know about me(The link is to join influencer's community they will tell about me)

[solid parcel]

Yup, LLM generated messages often result in that happening, haha.

[vast shoal]

Doubtful, LLMs don't really make grammar and spelling errors.

Well, actually, imshreya definitely is using it.

But not Yuji.

[solid parcel]

Agreed on both counts, it was imshreya I was thinking of rather than Yuji 😁

I suspect it may just be a way for them to make it easier for them to communicate in English, but it does lend an amusingly formal tone to the conversation.

[vast shoal]

Yeah, I'm not criticizing.

Though it's kind of interesting how the algorithmic perfection coupled with signals like m-dash can impact the way you come across almost as much as grammar and spelling errors do. Like, people who are tuned to it will notice that you've used AI and that can affect their perception of you negatively.

I commented on a Youtube video once and the creator had apparently set up a system that responded automatically to a lot of comments using an LLM, and when I realized it felt kind of yuck.

[solid parcel]

Agreed. For me one of the big things is that it raises an eyebrow as to someone's comprehension of a topic if they're seemingly leaning on regurgitating content verbatim from an LLM, rather than being able to engage in a dialogue about the subject organically.

[vast shoal]

True.

[winged spade]

As in fundamental programming what skills do essentially come under it?

[vast shoal]

!rule ad

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[warm tinsel]

hi

Does anyone use Google AI Studio?

[vapid jay]

Yeah, I use AI sometimes to phrase things better. Me here myself is to learn, not to win any sort of typing contests.....
If using tools to learn better is wrong, software engineering might not be for me 😄
Because i guess according to ur conversation i was in delusion that real developers use tools...

[solid parcel]

If you read a little further down from the message you responded to, I speculated that was exactly why you were using an LLM. 🙂 It's a great use of the tool!

[undone storm]

Does anyone have any good tips on how to resolve the Efi partition error
I’ve erased all files from the
/dev/sda but still not working

[vapid jay]

yes,
I use it as a learning aid, but I make sure to read and understand everything.

[vapid jay]

if u have any sort of suggestion for me that how i can upskills then pls

[solid parcel]

Upskill in regards to what specifically?

[vapid jay]

within development field mostly
but for now i am exploring the fields

[solid parcel]

Dev work is a massively wide field. Generally speaking, I advise building out a basic three tier application, noting what you've actually enjoyed and been interested by as you built it, and then diving deeper into those areas.

@vapid jay

[vapid jay]

thanks, definitely i will try to build a three-tier application and pay attention to which parts i enjoy the most and then explore those areas deeply

[vapid jay]

What are your sayings on Data Analyses and Data science??

[solid parcel]

I'd recommend speaking to people directly in that field; it's a little outside of my expertise, so there will be others better placed to answer than myself!

[vapid jay]

okay

[vast shoal]

I also wasn't criticizing the way you're using AI in this context. Using tools in general is not bad, but there are better and worse ways to use some tools in different situations. You're fine in this case, though.

[vapid jay]

i agree and i am aware of the best and the worst use case

[errant kettle]

yeah, and no one is judging u rn
perhaps its an awesome place to chit chat in english helping you in improving your fluency in the language
so using ai tools for just a msg in a normal conversation would just hinder your growth i would say
perhaps a lot use will make us a lot dependent on it affecting our own growth

[winter ridge]

hi gyus im so happy 😁😁😁😁

i created my first website

[open jungle]

Hey yall has anyone heard of a company called novable innovation? Trying to find its legitimacy

[peak halo]

do you have a website for it?

[open jungle]

As far as I know its just novable.com

[peak halo]

what about your interaction with them is making you question their legitimacy?

[open jungle]

They offered me a job, and this would be my first remote position. So im totally new to how these work but I havent had any video calls, just an online interview through teams and they offered me the position the next day. They havent asked for any of my personal information what so ever so thats what is keeping me a little bit at ease.

[peak halo]

so you spoke to them over Teams, but they didn't have their camera on?

[open jungle]

The conversation was just through the teams chat. Very interview formal.

[peak halo]

so you haven't actually spoken to anyone vocally?

[open jungle]

No, they sent me information for onboarding to sign and then have scheduled a call for me to do a video chat though this month. And gave me info about the home setup I will need but that was said to be funded through them and sent to me.

[peak halo]

did they say that you need to pay for it to get reimbursed?

[open jungle]

No, they said all fees given for equipment and or products given from them are to be used solely for work purposes .

[solid parcel]

Big red flags. Very odd to have an interview just via Teams chat, and they seemingly haven't done any due diligence. Likely going to be the cheque scam.

I expect they'll send you a cheque, get you to buy equipment from a specific vendor (who they likely own) and then to send back any remaining money. The cheque will then bounce a day or two later, leaving you out of pocket.

The gotcha is that funds from cheques are available prior to them actually clearing. Your bank is basically extending you credit until that happens. So when the check bounces, they'll claw back the money from you. @open jungle

[open jungle]

Which makes sense since they asked me to do that before the video call. Now that im thinking about it. I appreciate yall. Its always some bs when people try to better themselves and then you got people doing things like this..

[solid parcel]

You'll get there, them being scammers doesn't change the work you're putting in or the skills you're building 🙂

[modest kraken]

I believe in you

[somber delta]

I know this is unrelated to Python but anyone working in DeFi? What role do you have and what's the pay like?

[peak halo]

Since it's relatively unlikely that someone from defi will see this, I recommend looking on Glassdoor

[summer meteor]

is this the same process done in india too?

[barren summit]

jurisdiction of college??

[solid parcel]

Not in one myself, but I see a fair few DeFi roles (I work in London, so the roles I see are either there or remote). Pay is pretty high, frequently £100k - £200k which is far above most tech salaries in the UK. Most roles are for software engineers (often building with Rust for either the Ethereum or Solana chain).

The vast majority of the roles I see are for startups and they often feel pretty full of hot air. That said, blockchain as a technology is certainly being explored more widely. I work for a large retail bank in the UK and we have (early) plans to roll out some offerings that leverage blockchain. I'm not close enough to the implementation to speak to it more than that, unfortunately.

[somber delta]

Very interesting, sounds pretty lucrative. I’m currently trying to scope out the highest paying SWE roles hence the question

[somber delta]

I’m not too updated with the scene but last time I checked BOE is trying to roll out some implementation of stablecoins. Most of the places you can get hired to work on that sort of tech is as you said startups, banks, prop firms etc

[solid parcel]

Highest paying currently are hands down quant, ML (including supporting roles that are not directly developing models such as SRE work at Anthropic, though there's still an additional premium for the core ML employees), and senior+ big tech.

Startups almost always pay less than established orgs, with the potential for equity based upside. I would massively advise not just looking at comp. If you go deep in virtually any area in tech, you can make great money. I'd prioritise finding the work you actually enjoy.

Oh and similar to my comment on the ML stuff, if you're in a supporting role for a quant/HFT firm (e.g. doing systems or reliability engineering), you can still make a ton.

[junior spade]

hey guys i have a question
If im 15 and know some python (not advanced)
Is it necessary to learn c++?
I wanna be a computer engineer in university and i like these stuff.
but i feel like python is better, still idk.
I like ML/Backend/some embedded systems and IoT
What do u guys think what should i do?

[vapid jay]

i know how to drive a honda, should i learn how to drive toyotas?

learn how to drive, what car you drive is irrelevant

[solid parcel]

Not at all a fair comparison, languages absolutely have strengths and weaknesses relative to each other. There are some tasks where certain ones are much better suited than others.

[junior spade]

thats a nice saying

[peak halo]

I don't think different cars is a great analogy for different programming languages

[junior spade]

how would u describe it then

[vapid jay]

sure but learning the differences in most popular imperaative languages is not that difficult

and thats the easy part

[junior spade]

🤔

[solid parcel]

It largely comes down to the work you're wanting to do. If you decide you do want to go into embedded systems work, C++ will be much more suitable than Python, for example.

To start, I'd recommend going deep into one language to help you learn the basics of good programming practice. Structuring code, testing, all that good stuff. A fair bit will transfer between languages. It's similar to learning to play an instrument and then picking up a second.

Languages like Python abstract away some complexities that you have to handle in lower level ones like C (e.g. memory allocation). It's pretty common for unis to start students off with C, with the idea being that manually managing more themselves will help the students build out a better mental model of how languages actually work. If you decide you want to take a similar approach, I'd recommend looking into CS50.

There's not really a right or wrong way to go about learning, and you've got more than enough time to just follow the things you're finding interesting.

[junior spade]

Thats a really good idea...
so u think that if over time i prefer:
Backend/Apis/ML
I choose to main Python
While if i prefer stuff like:
Embedded systems/OS's/very low level stuff
I choose C/C++?

[solid parcel]

At a high level, yup 🙂 I've been in the industry 5 years and in that time my intended path has already bounced around between tons of different roles.

You're early enough on and inexperienced enough that frankly I doubt you really know what you want to do. The way to find that out is to start building 🙂 Building projects will teach you a ton and help you find gaps in your own knowledge. It'll also help you refine your thoughts about what work you enjoy, and what you'd like to stay far away from.

So in summary, I'd follow the fun. Work on things that interest you. Let that guide your language choice. If you find that dropping into a lower level one either aligns with you following the fun, or would help you better understand how languages work, then by all means do it 🙂

[junior spade]

Alright, thanks. For now im leaning towards the Python side
Also, what path did u choose?

[solid parcel]

I work as a cloud and infrastructure engineer and I'm pivoting toward SRE work. So much of my time is spent building out pipelines, infrastructure as code, monitoring and so on rather than applications. Python, Powershell and Bash are my go-tos, and I'm increasingly expanding into Go.

A lot of open source tooling like Terraform, Kubernetes and so on are written in Go, so it means if my team needs functionality that those tools don't currently support, I can add it.

[junior spade]

Thats some nice stuff! Thanks again

[junior spade]

i just have 1 more small question,
Is c++ in demand? I always hear its not very in demand and that i wont find a job with it in the future

The same question about python

in the future like 4-8 years range

[solid parcel]

There are certainly roles out there for it, but it's more niche than something like Python or JS. Past that, I couldn't really say, unfortunately. It's far enough away from my own expertise that I can't give more info than I've already shared!

I'd recommend having a Google (There's a fair bit of info out there on the relative frequency with which job postings request different languages), asking engineers (particularly ones in your country/region as YMMV), and perhaps even just having a look at the job section on LinkedIn.

[solid parcel]

Python is massively used and I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. It's got a huge ecosystem, is easy to pick up, and is a quick language to iterate in.

[junior spade]

Thats cool, thanks 🙏🏽

[open ivy]

Social media makes me want to give up trying to get a job and just enjoy the time I have before eventual poverty... Makes everything feel hopeless.

But this channel is about getting jobs, not failing to get jobs. So yes try to limit your time on anything that combines extremely high attention Gini Indexes with ragebait, doombait, etc...

Undistort your reality and protect your time.

[potent tusk]

it's pretty in demand IME. It's still one of the most used languages in the world. A lot of the FAANG companies have massive C++ codebases, you see it a lot in other industries too like gamedev and finance.

python is definitely "bigger" but the bar to entry for python devs is also lower, so there's more people looking for jobs.
In the end it depends on what you like doing, your aptitude, what domain you want to be in, where you want to get a job, etc

[junior spade]

Alright, thanks. Im currently leaning towards Python (enjoying it more)

But anyways im still young, but that shouldnt stop me from keep going

[potent tusk]

if it helps at all, a lot of that stuff is not really grounded in reality or any kind of empiricism.

I highly recommend /r/AskEconomics over doomscrolling; you'll actually learn something and you'll get reasonably objective and nuanced answers to things like that

[open ivy]

Interesting. The IEEE magazines help me be optimistic to see people working on tech which is often helpful tech.

[sharp lintel]

Before I learned programming, me and a friend canvassed people we knew and Python was overwhelmingly their recommendation, for me to learn. I was mid career already, always working on data problems, but had only engineering education, not computer science. so python was their recommendation for me.

[junior spade]

When i go to university im gonna do engineering (Computer engineering) hopefully. Isnt that still code knowlege?

[open ivy]

Also, social media is one of the WORST places to have an online presence. It has turned into a lottery of clickbait and algorythims etc. A standard website is better, anything that allows you to use JavaScript (and thus have live demos of your projects) and does not dish out ads (which may require paying a nominal fee). Still some "algorythim" involved in who sees it, but not as extreme.

[sharp lintel]

Of course, yes, you will learn code in Computer Engineering curriculum. Mine was Mechanical Engineering, so we learned one code language and it wasn't a powerful one. My degree was more focused on material properties, and calculating forces, deflection, stress, temperature, etc.

[junior spade]

Oh cool

[junior spade]

Why not do mechanical engineering job or smth like that? why go to coding

[junior spade]

Which language did u learn?

[sharp lintel]

I did. Mech Eng was great and i worked it for 15 years, but as my skills developed and I was working on bigger problems, i was spending a lot of time assembling data and making visuals, basically doing analysis, to identify what was going wrong and what we could do to fix it.

So, after 15 years I took a break to learn code.

[junior spade]

So u leaned towards computers?

[sharp lintel]

I was already doing all my work on a computer, in a factory environment. What changed is that instead of using Microsoft Excel for analyzing data, I could use code to do the analysis, measure the problem, evaluate possible solutions, etc.

[junior spade]

Yeah thats pretty good. Btw what language did u learn in mechanical engineering?

[smoky quest]

Have you updated your resume since last time?

[sharp lintel]

Haha, the required coding class for my Mech Eng degree was Fortran.

My dad had taught me some Visual Basic when I was 10 years old, so Fortran was my "second language"

But i admit, i love using Python.

[junior spade]

😭 wowww Fortran 🔥

[junior spade]

Python syntax is just pleasant, thats why

[sharp lintel]

yes!

and the extensibility is a big asset to python community. there are new modules being written all the time, to deal with new types of problems

[open ivy]

I will get back to building my website soon.

[calm lynx]

Hey everyone 🖐️

Could somebody assess resume and give your opinion about what should I add or remove?

Thank you a lot🙏

[potent tusk]

I would probably try to get it to one page tbh

just my 0.02

[smoky quest]

that won't get you more interviews. An updated resume would

[smoky quest]

• Keep it single columns
• Did you have multiple jobs at the same time?
• Put the stuff in reverse chronological order

[potent tusk]

yeah the reverse chronological order for sure. most recent first etc.

[calm lynx]

Thank you guys 😃

[open ivy]

For my networking strat people generally express more interest in a website.

And also the better my website is the better I will be able to summerize projects down to a resume.

[undone phoenix]

May I get the template pleaase ?

[calm lynx]

Just google docs resume template

[smoky quest]

It's not mutually exclusive. Updating your resume would take a few hours at most and help you preserve multiple channels for getting interviews

[somber delta]

I'm definitely going to do some more research into all roles. I've been pursuing more a fullstack role but I lean heavily to the backend side but realised it's actually pretty easy to some extent plus it's pretty much the poster child of a tech job for anyone just looking to come in as such there's a crazy supply and I can go on. You do cloud you said? How hard is your role? How often do you code if at all? I've read most you do is scripting but slowly you're being forced to learn how to build application code to better understand the apps you're serving

[solid parcel]

My work at the moment is scripting rather than app dev, yup. Lots of glue code. The more senior you get the less coding you generally do, too. A lot of my work involves leading juniors, discussing strategic direction for the team, mapping out migrations from older technologies...

When I do code, it's often making a change to buggy or subpar code, or throwing together an MVP to demo something to my team (e.g. I created a much more powerful and flexible alerting approach than the one we had in place previously).

My current role isn't overly stressful and I could certainly just sit at this level for the rest of my career. That said, I'm not planning to! Goal is to shift laterally into SRE work, and then onto Google from there. When they're hiring SREs, they want you to be able to pass their software engineering bar, as well as having deep knowledge of Linux internals and a few other bits and pieces. Having a developer mindset makes a huge difference; code is a scalable way to manage systems, whereas humans are not. I see it massively in my current team where a few of them are old school sysadmins and, while they've got great knowledge of networking and our deployment processes, they're not particularly adept at understanding how we can effectively automate things.

We do have automation in place, but a lot of it integrates poorly with the other parts and frequently requires a human in the loop. I'm working to make things more intelligent...

[somber delta]

Understood, and in terms of difficulty I know it's not the easiest thing to do but on a scale of 1 - 5 where lets say 5 is a quant dev role (requires deep c++, comp sci and math) and 1 is junior frontend

[solid parcel]

Solid 3. You can be reasonably effective quite quickly, but it takes a lot of effort and experience to become genuinely good.

The tricky part is the breadth of understanding you need (which in turn leads to most people being 'T shaped engineers', where they have expertise in one or two topics and a lot of broad knowledge supporting that).

Even ignoring tooling specific knowledge, just in terms of concepts I need to understand cloud, networking, pipelines, infrastructure as code, monitoring/observability/alerting, linux and more... Each of those in turn has a lot of complexity to them.

For example, what do you measure to ensure a system is running effectively? What counts as 'effectively', anyway? Can you accurately map technical metrics to user impact? Can you treat your users as one big lump, or do you need to be able to identify groups with different requirements, and track them separately? How do you know if your monitoring is down? It's not like you can rely on the monitoring system to tell you, so you need some other notification mechanism. But does that just introduce the same problem one step removed?! And so on.... And all of that is just scratching the surface of monitoring, let alone the other things I mentioned.

^The above is a great example of why building projects is a great way to learn btw, doubly if users are actually using it. You'll run into soooo many issues you've never even considered, and that a tutorial would never cover.

[solid parcel]

@somber delta To give an example of how nuts things can get in quant/HFT work, I had an interview with an HFT org called Jump Trading a while back. To cut latency down to the bare minimum, they're doing crazy stuff like writing custom networking protocols so they can bypass the Linux kernel entirely 😁

[somber delta]

Mmm, interesting. You’ve hinted previously that you’re already at 100k < 5 years so progression seems good too. The only thing that puts me on the fence is the 3 difficulty. I don’t want to pursue something that any Joe can be good at which was a fatal error of mine previously. Hence the head question, the question that started this whole conversation was about blockchain because I know not any Joe can work on the tech.

[solid parcel]

Yeah it took me pretty much bang on 4 years to hit £100,000 total comp. 1.5 of that was a degree, as well (I got into the industry without a degree). I certainly wouldn't be put off by me saying it's a 3. Yes there are more engineers out there doing this work and there's a lower barrier to entry, but it's worth bearing in mind that there are also far more cloud/DevOps roles out there than blockchain dev roles.

The ceiling for earning is also high if you take these skills and go into something like HFT or big tech. An ex colleague of mine is at Hudson River doing DevOps and reliability work, on £200,000 TC. Guy is only 26. Similarly if you're an L4 (mid-level) at Google in London you're on c. £160,000, and an L5 (senior) is on c. £240,000.

Tbh to be a good DevOps engineer it does help to have a dev background. You could certainly go the blockchain route to start and you'd have plenty of potential to pivot if you wanted to. Backend engineering is a very flexible skillset to have.

[somber delta]

Yh, the pay is definitely there then 😅. As I said, I’ll do some more research, gain better understandings of what each role is like and the markets for them, progression etc. If I have anymore questions I’ll drop them in chat here. Thank you for your time

[solid parcel]

Whereabouts are you, btw? UK, US, somewhere else? If you'd like to get a sense of comp, levels.fyi is an excellent resource

[somber delta]

London, UK

[solid parcel]

Ay, gotcha. Same as myself, then!

[somber delta]

Yep

[potent tusk]

fwiw you can get to much, much higher salaries in HFT very quickly, if you are willing to go for the jobs with high difficulty

[somber delta]

Yh I'm aware, but if I'm being real I probably won't get to a Quant Researcher role, I'm much more likely to get to a QD role and even that may or may not be pushing it (this is assuming i devote 2- 3 years to brush up on math)

[potent tusk]

even in dev. I know US numbers better than UK but you can definitely start well over 100K, and I know multiple guys who at ~10 years are in the 7 figures

[solid parcel]

Yeah you absolutely can (far from unheard of to be starting on $500k+ as a grad out of uni, even going years back). But there are vanishingly few quant roles compared to many other roles and it's fiercely, fiercely competitive.

[potent tusk]

yeah, I mean ever for dev. For quant I recently saw someone get 750K fresh out of uni. In dev I've definitely seen 300-400

[somber delta]

Yh, the thing to remember is that dev isn't pure coding it involves serious math

[potent tusk]

I'm not talking about roles that involve serious math (though math helps)

[somber delta]

What roles in HFT don't involve serious math that are dev?

[potent tusk]

Uh... most of them? Anyone who isn't directly researching trading strategies?

[somber delta]

Name them

[inner wren]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[potent tusk]

idk maybe it's my imagination, getting a bit of a vibe.
I've been working in HFT since 2013, both on and off trading teams.
A modern HFT company has a ton of software. There's the trading engine, risk checks, feed parsers, GUIs for managing strategies, etc

Yeah, that AI summary (I'm assuming that's what it is) is pretty decent overall although some of those roles are very similar/redundant to each other

usually outside of the people who know math and are doing quant research, the best paid skillset is C++, because finding very good C++ devs is very difficult.
but there are other roles too that pay very well I'm sure (maybe some of the cloud/distributed compute stuff for example; that's pretty specialized knowledge and HFTs do tons of research/sims)

[rare sun]

quick question

does python let you hack into other people’s accounts on social media?

[solid parcel]

You can certainly make decent money doing systems engineering work in HFT. They still want you to have strong dev skills, and alongside that it's typically Linux and networking as the core competencies. Lots of stuff on bare metal as it's lower latency, so the ask for skillset is a touch different from cloud engineering (though HFT often also have cloud stuff, it's just not where you'd run latency critical things). Not sure about cap or how this varies in the US, but generally you'd be looking at £150,000 - £200,000 doing HFT systems engineering work as a grad in the UK.

[rare sun]

@solid parcel

[rare sun]

^

[potent tusk]

yep, that's why I said "other roles" (i.e. the C++ roles and the cloud/parallel compute is separate)

I'm not totally sure what you mean by "bare metal" - there's FPGA but that's a separate thing

[solid parcel]

Bare metal = running servers without virtualisation. I.e. no VMs, containers.

[potent tusk]

that's not what bare metal usually means

bare metal usually refers to writing software that runs on a computer with no OS

[solid parcel]

It may be a matter of overloaded terminology. At least in my domain, it's used to mean a server without a virtualisation layer.

[potent tusk]

maybe, but the general usage is what I wrote (you can google to confirm), so probably helps to avoid using it that way when talking to people outside your domain

[solid parcel]

Interesting, just been digging into the meaning under your usage. I can see the disconnect given I'm coming at things from an infra lens while you're familiar with the term in the context of dev work. Embedded systems, firmware and the like are far out of my area of expertise. Having to write code that works without schedulers and other such abstractions sounds somewhat hellish 😁

[smoky quest]

that also match my experience and what I have seen in the wild

writing code without an OS would be quite an interesting endeavor

[potent tusk]

Yeah it's crazy (I haven't done it). But also from a dev perspective it doesn't really matter that much whether your code runs in a container or not, the code is basically written the same way. No OS is another universe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare_machine

[smoky quest]

yeah no

[smoky quest]

you meant to search https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bare-metal_server

[potent tusk]

I did not :-). We were talking about bare metal in the context of development, not in the context of servers

[smoky quest]

reading through, this is not obvious

[potent tusk]

I'm just saying if you talk to people who do software engineering at an hft they wouldn't describe themselves as bare metal devs (other than maybe fpga guys).

[solid parcel]

Agreed re. dev perspective. Doing things without virtualisation usually (perhaps even always?) is a matter of prioritising every ounce of performance at the cost of some convenience.

I struggle to think of any reason other than performance that someone would opt to forgo virtualisation, though I'd be interested to hear if you two can think of any!

[smoky quest]

performance and consistency would be the main arguments. Plus dedicated access to the HW

[potent tusk]

I mean what's the context? I don't usually virtualize everything on my local machine

For a cloud or parallel compute context you're probably right, it's not really my area

[solid parcel]

Valid. More specifically, I mean for running prod workloads.

[solid parcel]

Speaking of consistency, I saw Jane Street have just led an A series funding round for these guys, and are also leveraging their tooling. https://antithesis.com/ I haven't had time to dig into it deeply, but the concept is interesting. Same guys that created FoundationDB.

[smoky quest]

they have so much money they can spare a lot to fuck around

still cool projects coming out of them

they proped up the entire ocaml community on their shoulders

[solid parcel]

Jane Street and Meta are the only orgs that come to mind when I think of OCaml, yeah

[smoky quest]

there are a bunch of contractors like tarides too

[potent tusk]

for prod I'm sure you're right. I just don't have much experience with containerization and such, but it does seem like there's little downside.
we get most of the same benefits through conda/mamba, i.e. creating a reproducible environment and minimizing dependency on the system state. but it doesn't go quite as far.

[smoky quest]

Antithesis brings multiple advanced testing approaches -- fuzzing, property-based testing, fault injection, and deterministic simulation -- together on a single platform.

Interesting. All these things have existed for a while but I guess their claim to fame would be around:

• Simulating and reproducing entire systems
• Exploring the search space in a smart way

https://antithesis.com/docs/test_templates/ oh you still have to guide it

[solid parcel]

Mmhm, it's the exploration and deterministic bug reproduction across whole complex systems that I find compelling. There may well be other tooling doing similar things, but I haven't come across them if there are.

Very intriguing from a reliability perspective given how many painful failures result from a composite rather than an individual action or error.

[smoky quest]

there are researches projects and other companies that do parts or adjacent stuff like optimizing the configuration of your system/db/cloud.
Jepsen stuff comes to mind to.
There is also mutation testing.

[solid parcel]

Good shout, I just checked and Jepsen and Antithesis actually worked on a glossary for systems reliability together.

[smoky quest]

also raising a 105 Millions$ series A is ludicrous

[solid parcel]

5x the average, though I don't know what the distribution curve looks like.

I'd expect a pretty long tail, so may not be that unusual

Can't even find my source for that c. $20m average figure for series A, so I'm doubting that now, too!

[smoky quest]

More like 2x the median valuation

[solid parcel]

Gotcha, glad you found some solid numbers! I was clearly conflating a stat from something else, who knows what.

[smoky quest]

np.
Usually, dilution will be ~20%

So that means two dangerous things here:

• Raising too much and the company becomes complacent and just continue to fuck around without any pressure
• The valuation is so high that there is no room for it to grow and benefit everyone who joins

And that's assuming a ~20% dilution or a somewhat low dilution. If there is a high dilution, that might just give all the ownership to the the investor (janestreet)

It's an interesting thought to think about it as a form of acquisition if the dilution was super high. But given it's just an investment, not an acquisition, its structure should be quite interesting and I would be curious to hear about what strings were attached.
And from a prospective customer, it might send the signal that JaneStreet controls the roadmap for their benefit rather than other customers.

[solid parcel]

Very valid point re. roadmap, I hadn't considered that

[real wedge]

Hi so I'm making a browser game the trouble is my marketing skills are non existent I am doing this solo and I am thinking of ways to generate money from it like maybe ads as I want the game to be free no in game purchases everyone on a level playing field I'm wondering though how many visitor would I need daily to get the revenue costs to paid for server costs and what platform will help me bring players ... Like I need a strategy thanks

[smoky quest]

I'm wondering though how many visitor would I need daily to get the revenue costs to paid for server costs

You need to look at the revenue minus cost.
In terms of revenue, you can search online some estimates and numbers like https://adsense.google.com/start/#calculator

what platform will help me bring players

Look at how other similar games did, get feedback, etc.

[real wedge]

50,000 is $1000 a year seems low that definitely covers server cost but not exactly set for life money 😂 more like a passive income

[smoky quest]

it's still quite a feat to maintain that level of traffic on your own for months

[wild finch]

I’m a full-stack, blockchain, and AI engineer with experience designing, building, and scaling modern web applications. My work spans React/Next.js, Node.js, TypeScript, and cloud-based architectures, along with hands-on expertise in smart contracts (Solidity, Rust), Web3 integrations, and decentralized systems.
In addition to traditional full-stack development, I build end-to-end AI-driven applications that integrate backend, frontend, and machine learning components. I have experience working with modern web frameworks, LLM/AI integrations, and scalable cloud infrastructures. Recently, my focus has been on creating AI-powered products, including automation tools and intelligent web applications.

[lethal lodge]

why the silence?

[lilac yoke]

“chatgpt how many buzz words can I put into a paragraph”

[peak halo]

It's Friday night

[peak halo]

You know, you can't ask for jobs here.

[modest kraken]

Just put the fries in the bag

[real wedge]

Yeah 50k every month seems crazy for the amount of money you get

[smoky quest]

that's ads

[real wedge]

@smoky quest I know I mean maintaining 50k views for 12 months for a grand ....

[smoky quest]

yep

[real wedge]

And that's the minimum 😂

Definitely need to think of something else

[lethal lodge]

from turtle import *
setposition(-60, 0)
speed(0)
bgcolor('black')
colors = ['orange' , 'white']
pensize(2)
for i in range(150):
    color(colors[i % 2])
    rt(i)
    circle(90, i)
    up()
    fd(i+50)
    down()
    rt(90)
    fd(i-65)
    hideturtle()

run this code its beatifull rate it out of 10

[near ocean]

Not the channel for this

[lethal lodge]

guys i just dre naruto using turtle in python who wanna see the code?

[brittle knot]

@solar loom

[still isle]

Hi, I just learned Python, and I'm here to know what to do next, and how to use what I learned.

[still isle]

Yeah I wanna see it

[near ocean]

Broskis this is #career-advice
Go to #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval for naruto nonsense and #python-discussion for python help and resources

[frail pier]

Hey Cyberguru, this is Cyber dude
I am a technical and course writer on any cybersecurity niche I’m the coolest most expert hacker and can hack stuff even a computer
Hit me up for all your hacking service/courses
I hope we have a good time here...

[near ocean]

!rule 9 i can hack things do, anyone can, all you need is a hatchet

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[proud raft]

any one got advice on getting a ui/ux job or know the best python job to start for someone that has no python job history

[solar loom]

???

[solar loom]

how can I help you?

[tiny ledge]

Sure! I can help you

[tired musk]

Hello people....

:)))

[brittle knot]

Add me on discord rq

[brittle knot]

Send me a dm and I'll explain alot of stuff.

[smoky quest]

why not doing it here?

or is it a scam?

[brittle knot]

Because I deleted my old discord acc

But I don't want anyone else from my old acc to add me. Just him

[smoky quest]

and why not doing it here because you deleted your old discord acc?

[smoky quest]

That's not a good use of this channel

[brittle knot]

Yh but he has his friend requests turned off so idk how to get him to add me

[smoky quest]

so instead you decided to spam a bunch of random people who have nothing to do with your personal drama

[brittle knot]

Mb bro

[smoky quest]

at least use off topic channels like #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[brittle knot]

Ok, ty

[smoky quest]

np

[still condor]

!warn @echo agate you were already told that you're not allowed to look for paid work on this server.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @echo agate.

[iron night]

guys can anyone help me with something dms

[wary laurel]

looking for someone to take me on as an intern ? I want to learn coding in a real environment - i'm after free tasks. not looking for paid work

[near ocean]

Thats not a thing that happens for a whole laundry list of reasons

[crystal rampart]

what are the keys to find a job as a junior py dev?

[near ocean]

Usually, a degree some side projects, an internship or two and a cv that doesnt look ugly or complicated enough where machines cant parse it

[crystal rampart]

does it count if i've first finished by bachelor?

[near ocean]

Sure, its a degree isnt it?

The more related to computer science the better but its not terribly important
In my team of 10 there are only 2 people with CS degrees

[crystal rampart]

ok great thanks!

[barren summit]

yap academic should and always be good first

[crystal rampart]

thanks!

[wary laurel]

trying my luck

[solid parcel]

Your best bet is likely to find an OSS project you could contribute to. There are lots out there with comprehensive guides on how to contribute. It's a good way to get exposure to building software collaboratively.

[fleet pewter]

What is the lowest level knowledge someone needs to begin a career

[peak halo]

by "lowest level" do you mean "least amount"?

[fleet pewter]

Yes sorry

Just curious what entry level programmers are doing

[peak halo]

if you don't already have professional experience writing code, you need a degree and proficiency in a programming language just to get an interview.

[fleet pewter]

I know that
I was just curious what they were doing on the job

[deft jay]

Just wanted to know that are these ai with python programming courses authentic
I keep getting these ads saying Don't learn python in manual way in 2025 if u use Ai tools inside ur code you will be a 10x python dev
Should I take such courses

[peak halo]

there are so many kinds of software development that there's no single answer to that.

[fleet pewter]

Idk anything about it
The field or whatever
But I would say if youre learning python, youre gonna have to struggle so I wouldnt do ai

[peak halo]

if you're a beginner, don't even think about vibe coding. you need to know enough about what you're trying to code that you can tell when the AI is bullshitting you.

[fleet pewter]

Okay thank you

[deft jay]

Yeah

I think I'm late should've started earlier but nvm

[peak halo]

the best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago
the second best is today.

[inner wren]

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[tough fog]

Hey everyone, a learner of python, aim to use it for ai in the future as python is the future

[tough fog]

Coding can be lonely , looking for mentors or partners here

[solid parcel]

Java is certainly widely used in finance. As for if you should learn it, I'd recommend looking at what entry level fintech jobs in your area are actually asking for, and working backwards from there. That'll let you identify the most commonly recurring skills they're after and therefore to be far more targeted in what you prioritise learning.

[solid parcel]

I currently work for a large retail bank in the UK.

FYI if you have a Google online, you can find a fair bit of info about the tech stacks and language choices of different orgs if you're interested in targeting particular ones 🙂

This next part is speculation, but I suspect we're going to see a shift toward statically typed languages, as LLMs tend to write better code with static typing than dynamic. So that's a small point in favour of Java.

[solid parcel]

Go for it

[smoky quest]

are you aware and okay with the trade offs?

and how small a niche do you target?

[solid parcel]

Imo there's a balance. There are two types of niche- one is in terms of tech skills, the other is in terms of industry.

Sticking within one (or a couple of closely related) industry verticals can certainly be beneficial, as it lets you build up deep expertise (e.g. an understanding of PCI DSS if you're doing payment processing) that becomes essential as you're getting to more senior positions.

When it comes to the tech side, I'd be a bit more relaxed. It makes sense to have an idea of what the most in demand skills are for the roles you're targeting so you can prioritise learning them but, particularly when you're starting out, building up breadth is massively important, too. You're also unlikely to know exactly what you enjoy most until you've got some hands on experience, so I wouldn't be too worried about trying to work out exactly what niche you want to fill yet. I'd recommend that you build a good foundation, and then dive deeper into the parts you find interesting.

Be cautious about developing a skillset that is too niche, as well. For example there's a technology called eBPF that is extraordinarily useful and can open up some very well paying jobs. However, while there are not many engineers with the skillset, there are also very few roles out there asking for it.

What's your goal in becoming as niche as you can? It'll be easier to give good advice if I understand that 🙂

[smoky quest]

and what convinced you about it?

[solid parcel]

He's right that having a niche is beneficial, I'd 100% agree with that. As @smoky quest touched on, working out how niche you want said niche to be matters. There are levels 🙂

[smoky quest]

I would suggest to be very careful about influencers. They will claim the moon.
You are betting your career on it, and getting it wrong might mean screwing it up

Their benefit is to get views, not to get you a job

So do your homework:

• Check their linkedin if they have held an actual job. Many such influencers haven't even had a relevant job
• Check for other people who have followed that path and their success
• Check if they were involved in NFT or some other scummy thing
• Check if they make money from their classes/courses

so what is his linkedin?

[robust hamlet]

Hi

What business can people knowing data science can do?

[smoky quest]

he only had a 4months internship at microsoft...

[white relic]

two whole years, hm

[peak halo]

"data science" isn't really a specific thing. it's a buzzword that pertains to data analysis and AI.
lots of companies want programmers who can manipulate data or train AI.

[smoky quest]

yeah, that's the one I am the most curious about.
Everything else was a course instructor or something.

But again, you are betting your career on someone whose real world experience of an actual career is based on 4 months internship and 2 years of unclear responsibilities

lots of these examples are either AI generated or fake

[robust hamlet]

Yeah , nut i really wanna start a side hustle with a person who has done masters in data science, so i wanted ideas🤌🏻.

[smoky quest]

so far, he has all the signs of an influencer without the experience or skills to back him up

[peak halo]

I do not recommend trying to do a "side hustle". the job market for programmers of all kinds is currently very competitive, but those jobs pay enough that you don't need more than one income stream.

[smoky quest]

one of my issue here is how he keeps mentioning ex-microsoft when it's just a 4 months internship. That is sketchy af

[solid parcel]

Notably the 2 years was at an org that was either absolutely miniscule (may have even just been him)? It also now appears to be defunct.

[white relic]

I have no idea whether this program is any good or not, so I'm not seeking to discredit him.
But I strongly caution against the assumption that years of experience in a role correlates to knowing how to get into that role, especially for other people.
And, 2 years isn't really anything to brag about, anyway.

[robust hamlet]

I cant get a job rn tho😭🤌🏻. But i really wanna try atleast one side hustle, it doesn’t have to be data science related tho. Like im ready to invest £1000

[peak halo]

a long time ago, someone in this channel asked how to get a job at google, but only so that they could claim to be "ex google" so they could become a tech influencer.

[smoky quest]

that seems to be a good plan apparently

[robust hamlet]

Whats the best machine learning course?

[smoky quest]

have you verified they exist and did happen?
The other day someone came following another influencer and the examples of people that were helped did not even exist when we googled them

[peak halo]

as it pertains to careers: none of them, because you can't get a job that involves ML without getting a relevant degree from a university.

[solid parcel]

Oh ffs 😂 I hate this.

[robust hamlet]

Is it possible to do make a ML project like diabetes prediction model before new year, im learning the basics of ml rn.

[smoky quest]

his linkedin only show 2 years at most + 4months internship

[peak halo]

if you fully devote yourself to it and follow tutorials, you can probably do it in ten days. but no matter how you arrive at that point in ten days, it won't be enough to get a job.

[white relic]

If I said, eating a peanut butter and jelly sandwich every day will get you a job, and I get a bunch of people to buy into my "program" and start eating daily pb&js, and a few of them later get jobs, did my program work?
Even if they aren't AI, it's easy to create testimonials from a self-selecting group. You need to know how many people from this program didn't get jobs.

[robust hamlet]

Ive started learning ml from a masters course of someone ik, and youtube videos, im doing to make good projects, so i could get an apprenticeship, but the problem is what if they think i know more than i need to know😬

[smoky quest]

Right. And the core of the problem here is whether or not you are willing to bet your entire 40 years career on an influencer.
If you get it wrong, it might potentially set you back quite a bit

the course instructor one?

[robust hamlet]

Yk youre soo brutally honest that i like it but i get hopeless🤧

[peak halo]

knowing more than you need to know is the absolute last thing you should be worried about. that's like going to the gym for a week and being worried that your muscles will cause you to accidentally destroy everything you touch.

[smoky quest]

looks like he claims to have been both given they both run from 23-25.

How are you not betting 40years by trying to follow his advice based on his claims?

Oh and both jobs as well as it intersects with the other job at velocity

[robust hamlet]

So ill make a good impression right? Theyll ignore me getting a D in maths is what i want.

[smoky quest]

so he held 3 roles between 2023-2024

[peak halo]

what was the maths course in which you got a D?

[robust hamlet]

A levels aka highschool/college

[peak halo]

if you're serious about a career in ML, you need to turn that completely around so that you're getting the highest possible grade/mark in maths

[smoky quest]

So let's ignore that influencer for a moment:

• You want to focus on a niche

That leads to:

• How big the niche?
• What do you plan to do to specialize in that niche comparing to the rest?
• When do you graduate?

bro 40min video.
I might skip some parts

[robust hamlet]

Congratulations

[smoky quest]

Great and congrats!
How long ago did you graduate? Have you had a job yet?
And what about the rest of the questions?

[white relic]

there's a lot of range between "lying about everything" and "perfectly reliable and a guaranteed investment for money"

[fervent valve]

why tutor instead of finding another se job?

[smoky quest]

So far, there isn't much in terms of verifiable information, is overall generic and his take on leetcode is not good.

let's keep things in the channel

I see. That's tough.
Have you sent here an anonymized version of your resume for review?

At what stage do you experience issues in finding a job? Is it getting called back for interviews? Or at later stage?

the doing a tons of leetcode part

nope. Just that doing tons of leetcode is very inefficient.
It's like trying to do thousands of multiplications when you could instead spend 1h learning about how to do multiplications and then do a few to practice

Similarly here, you don't need to do tons and tons of leetcode. Just read a book or something on DSA so you do understand the algorithm and datastructure and you will be equipped to face any question. Obviously you will still need a bit of practice, but nowhere near close the amount that they are suggesting

And doing so, you can apply the time you saved towards other activities with higher ROI

[solid parcel]

Agreed. The efficient way to approach it is learning the core patterns and a few of the most commonly asked variations on them.

I'd argue time is better put toward learning to communicate out loud as you work through a LeetCode problem rather than simply doing a ton of them. Ultimately, it's the approach to problem solving and your ability to communicate that they usually care most about in a LeetCode interview.

[smoky quest]

agreed for the first part. That's part of the applied DSA that you need to practice to make sure your understanding is solid.

With regards to the second part, I would say it's a bit more nuanced.
Some interviewers will care just about the algo, others will slide the focus on code quality and testing and some others how you express and collaborate.
So you still need to be equipped to deal with different types of interviewers.

I try to infuse in interviewers the concept of "what are you trying to learn from this question?", but not everyone think like that

[smoky quest]

I am a lot of things

Yeah then feel free to post here an anonymized version of your resume

[smoky quest]

• Main feedback is Show, don't tell
• Don't tell me you optimized a query performance, show me how you optimized it
• It's great to put some numbers to try to qualify your impact, but they are a mean to an end, not an end in itself. So make sure they don't distract and they are something you can back up. For instance claiming an improvement of 15% in customer satisfaction would trigger my BS detector. Same thing for reducing defects by 30%
• Your last bullet on the enhanced responsiveness is closer to what I would want to see, though I would love to get more details
• Also beyond relative improvements, it might be useful to give a sense of scale (ie. throughput, how many users, etc.)
• Even your projects need to show, not tell. Every time you write a word like "robust" or "scalable", you need to ask yourself how you can demonstrate that
• In your job, don't hesitate to give context about your role, team, etc.

So yeah, I would not call back such resume as it feels too weak

Imagine you are trying to hire someone to redo your kitchen. You are gonna talk to a few contractors.
If they all claim to do fantastic work that is fast, cheap and good without backing it up, you will be quite suspicious

I also forgot about that bullet, but for your tutoring, it could be useful to give more details as well

nice!

sure

others may chime in too

I like to keep an air of mystery

[glad tinsel]

Can I ask that does CS50 python course is enough a beginner to learn every basic thing in python?

[fringe sphinx]

Cs50 is a good place to start, yes. Is it everything you need to know? No, but you gotta start somewhere

[glad tinsel]

So where can I continue after Cs50

[fringe sphinx]

You'd normally do some projects to practice and learn specific skills. Like, building a web app or calculator or simple game.

There's no single path to learn. Maybe you'll like cs50, maybe you won't. There's lots of choices, feel free to ask us lots of questions here or in #python-discussion

[glad tinsel]

thx for the suggestion

[glad tinsel]

I have another question like if I want to learn html css for creating web is cs50 course a good option?

[fringe sphinx]

There are multiple cs50 courses. There's a python one (cs50p) and a general one that briefly covers web.

[glad tinsel]

thx

[ebon elk]

platform
security
network engineering
devops
out of these who get payed the most?

[vapid jay]

• If you joined us tomorrow, where would you start adding value in the first 30 days — and why?
  what should I answer to this question?

[abstract matrix]

I joined today i want to learn coding so that i can build algo software is this possible?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, start by reading this pinned message: #python-discussion message

[fringe sphinx]

Wow, that's a ridiculous written question. Generally, I think answer would be: its hard to add value to an experienced team, so my initial focus would be learning and understanding the organization. I'd hope to take on small problems and tasks that offload the senior engineers while also teaching me the codebase, and internal processes. Something like this.

[vapid jay]

but is that what they want to hear?

[solid parcel]

You can earn great money going deep into any of these. I'd pursue what you find interesting.

[white relic]

It's hard to say what they would want to hear. This is a mostly silly question even for an experienced professional and an entirely silly question for a junior. There might be some specific roles where asking a question like this would make sense, but in that case you would need to address the specific aspects of the role and why you are uniquely suited to start filling it in a month, which isn't a typical scenario.

billybobby's framework is a good start, imo.

[vapid jay]

this is for an intern position, and I just found out that the job description says having to create presentations with analytics, ive withdrawn my application now

[white relic]

If they're looking for the kind of person who says "I'm going to revolutionize the way you do CI/CD at this company" or some other self-aggrandizing nonsense, personally, I think you'd be wise to stop answering questions at that point and back away slowly.

Incidentally, I've had a question kind of like that in an interview, but it was a unique situation where I was being considered for a new research team and I knew more about the research area than the interviewer.

[vapid jay]

fair, thanks

[vital ravine]

I’m looking to find a job as a junior dev in Netherlands remotely, I finished an entire 6 month long course on Python Web Development, I’m officially a Python Certified Web dev, any suggestions on what should I do to land a job as a junior Python dev, cause I’ve seen Java junior dev jobs more in demand than Python. Should I pivot towards learning Java in a week to apply for those jobs instead?

[fringe sphinx]

Learning Java in a week is probably not going to get you very far by itself, but it's probably a good use of a holiday week just to see what Java is about.

But, you could choose any of a multitude of topics to explore.

(so why Java?)

[vital ravine]

Atleast the fundamentals of OOP and learning spring boot?

[fringe sphinx]

Are you trying to find remote work and you're in the netherlands, or trying to find remote work for a company based in the netherlands?

[vital ravine]

Well I’ve learned everything there is with Django, Python react, so I could go full-stack but I haven’t found that in demand anywhere

I’m looking for remote work and I’m outside the Netherlands, however I’m living in the EU regardless

[solid parcel]

Ha, if you've only done a 6 month bootcamp you certainly have not 'learned everything there is' with Django and React. Are you not seeing roles asking for those skills, or just finding you're not landing interviews?

[vital ravine]

I'm not seeing roles asking for those skills, except majority being either react or angular jobs for front end devs, I barely find anything with Django, unless for senior roles with high experience. I've seen Flask being posted but with 3-4 years experience. so I really don't know what to apply for

I might've exaggerated the everything there is lmao but I know enough to build an adamant website that can function, I'm currently working on a movie, tv show website that runs a data through django, and the front end ui being build through react

Do I just have to be patient for a good role to eventually show? Any advice on landing a junior dev role would be helpful, thats all. don't want to talk too much

[proud glacier]

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[analog sun]

@tender kraken your message was removed for being off topic

[solid parcel]

The market sucks for juniors right now and around Christmas is generally a quiet period anyway. I'd recommend getting your CV looked over, carrying on applying and continuing to upskill in the meantime. If you want to be targeted in what you're learning, look at the skills junior roles around you are actually asking for, and prioritise them.

[next plover]

Opportunity is when luck and preparation meet

[arctic fern]

I have done python basics but don't understanding what to do next. I got kind a stuck, not doing any progress after fundamentals. I want to take participate in a hackathon please guide what I should learn next

[fringe sphinx]

Ask in #python-discussion please. There's lots of people learning htere.

[blissful abyss]

So im going to go to college for the IT certificate what jobs can i get with that if any (if this isn't the right question for this channel i apologize)

Im pretty sure IT uses python but i haven't put too much research into the IT space and i was gonna do that over the course of a year since college starts next fall

[fringe sphinx]

IT certificate could mean a lot of things, how long is the program? What courses are involved?

[blissful abyss]

I think its a 2 semester program with 6 or 7 courses in total

Heres the electives

Im not sure i could pass the placement test which is pretty concerning (im terrible at most subjects)

Oh it says not required thank god

[fringe sphinx]

This is geared to more traditional IT jobs, which often involve more systems management .. not programming. IT jobs do sometimes involve some light programming (scripting) but that's not the main point of an IT function

You should take a moment and read about IT jobs

[blissful abyss]

Alright, what jobs would involve programming? /Genq (and are there any college courses for that usually)

[fringe sphinx]

Software Engineer

And; computer science would the college degree

[blissful abyss]

Would this apply more this is a 2 year degree

[blissful abyss]

Ill look and see if my local college has that rq

I found the computer science degree but its got a whole lot of general courses that arent related

The only one i think is related is calculus

[blissful abyss]

So between both of these what would do more with coding

[blissful abyss]

This one which is the computer science one would require me to transfer to a completely different school and the closest college besides this one is an hour away i dont have the car for an hour commute every day but the first one being IT programming degree is just the 2 year that i can stay at this college for

Sorry not trying to overexplain what jobs could i get with an IT programming degree if anyone knows

[blissful abyss]

Or just these classes to be specific

[blissful abyss]

Also i appreciate you trying to help im sorry if i was talking too much or being confusing

[fringe sphinx]

This one is more computer science, coding related

[blissful abyss]

That is computer science (i mean thats the degree)

[brave cove]

when interview show my leetcode to executive?

[peak halo]

I wouldn't unless they ask about it.

[shy willow]

what is the best live interviewing practice website?

I just bombed an interview because I am not polished enough

[modest kraken]

Prolly more interviews

[shy willow]

Are those websites that have an AI any good?

[smoky quest]

I wouldn't trust them

Do you know anyone in your network who hire people or do interviews?

or maybe reach out to your past internship peeps

[shy willow]

Well, not the type of interview that this was. It was a sort of collaboration test, pseudocoding a database problem. Highly interactive

[smoky quest]

same ideas anyway

if you have a good relationship with them, they might be able to help

[shy willow]

That's probably The Way

[smoky quest]

and that's another example how a professional network can help

while I wouldn't do it for you, I would do it for my past interns

[shy willow]

well, thanks anyways. My takeaway from this is that there really isn't a substitute for live practice.

[smoky quest]

There isn't.
So either get more interviews from jobs you don't care about, or find friends/family/network to help

[cedar wolf]

Hello chat

[serene kite]

Hi

[cedar wolf]

Anyone from india ?

[serene kite]

No

[cedar wolf]

I need a python devloper for making discord bots :>

[smoky quest]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[cedar wolf]

Where are you from?

@serene kite dm

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> recruitment

[cedar wolf]

Dm me cosmic

[smoky quest]

See deleted message from cosmic too

[serene kite]

I didn't know I could ask ike that lol

[cedar wolf]

Why

[smoky quest]

See our #rules , especially rule 9

[serene kite]

I realised a second later and deleted it, I don't see what i did wrong here

[smoky quest]

We don't allow recruitment or paid work of any kind

[smoky quest]

yeah, I would stay away from that person to be safe.

[serene kite]

understood

Anyways, I came to this chat to seek recommendations/ advices and help in understanding career with Python.

[smoky quest]

any specific problem or question on your mind?

[serene kite]

I started learning Python since 2015, I joined this group in 2020. When I was super learning Python and started getting some Freelancing roles in Python.

I have completed 3 years working as a Data Engineer/ Backend Engineer using Python.

My goal is to obviously get a role in AI for big corps.

The current role is too local for me and limited, I am looking to grow further.

To solve the above problem, I have completed certifications from Google: Professional Data Engineer, Introduction to Generative AI for Software Development.

In my roadmap until February I have this item to complete: https://www.coursera.org/professional-certificates/google-it-automation

Then I will work on getting Professional Machine Learning Engineer Certifications and AI Engineer Certifications.

[smoky quest]

have you applied to such jobs?

[serene kite]

Yes, I have applied to plenty, I have had a couple interviews but have not succeded.

[smoky quest]

where do you attribute the issues?

[serene kite]

I think I lack interview skills especially in the behaviourial questions, and also questions such as why did you apply for this role. I mean the honest answer is of course money, but that won't get me very far.

I also don't know how to create resumes properly, like it feels like too much effort some reason.

I also think I might be too overconfident in my skills, I just don't know what I am lacking i guess?

I have done perfect in the technical interview for Python roles, however, I strongly think that I am bad with behaviourial questions.

[river knot]

I am following a Bsc Hons Data Science in Sri Lankan Sate uni, I wonder what kind early career paths I have, I have experience in Python, and mostly Web Dev, I worked with companies and as Out Source developer to build many corporate sites in sri lanka, even a finance site. But since I got into uni I didn't found any opportunities, not seeking a full-time job, just some remote thing.. hopefully cover my expenses. I searched and applied to many from google and linkedin.....no luck though

[balmy mural]

Remote jobs are very competitive, and normally hire remotely within the country they are hiring from (if you were applying to international remote jobs)
They're also normally still full time, you just don't have to go in to an office.
Your best bet would be to find an internship, or if you just need to cover your expenses, a retail job after uni hours

[tropic wyvern]

Hi guys guys I am new here and really need help in learning python and guide from anyone willing to help.

[viscid fox]

Hlo guys

[solid parcel]

Depending on the specifics of what you're looking to practice, you may find Hello Interview useful.

[somber delta]

@solid parcel

Ive come to the conclusion that for software I have a few skills I can specialise in which’ll give me the chance to earn high:

• C++, networking, Linux, CS fundamentals
• Java, distributed systems, backends applications
• DevOps, cloud
• Data science

I’ve chosen the Java path for the next 6 months as it has a vast amount of internships and I’m already doing backend heavy work so the transition is extremely easy. Plus I still have access a bunch of other paths if I wish to go down then I’m the future.

Has anyone applied for a Citadel internship? I got this email

[barren lotus]

some well-known company just cold called me to ask me if im interested in a particular vacancy wtf

[solid parcel]

Very reasonable plan 🙂 Good job looking at what internships are actually requesting, and prioritising those skills.

[solid parcel]

Haven't for Citadel, but you can find a lot about their interview processes online

[somber delta]

Yh it’s just a technical screening. A filter

[vapid jay]

hello everyone i had some questions!

i am currently in pre final year of my college and i am studying CS, we usually are taught full stack development but this time around they introduced a specialization for FinTech! which is basically some blockchain (decentralized systems), data analytics, cybersec and some compliance and regulations

i have experience in both fields but i want to know more about the current job market and career oppurtunities

[barren lotus]

i dont actually know how to reply, on one hand, i am confident that i'd be able to hit the ground running and learn the rest. on the other, my experience isnt in devops, and my experience on paper is less than what they are asking for.

[solid parcel]

There's no harm in having a conversation. I've felt unqualified for every role I've got. If you don't feel like a novice, you're probably not learning too much! Plus I know many, many engineers who think the best DevOps engineers often come from a backend dev background. It provides a lot of useful context and skills.

[trim crypt]

I had a similar experience. This well-known company called me and said that I have an online interview quiz at some scheduled date and time with an email sent right after the call. Funny thing is, its about CyberSec that's outside of my field. I decided, what the heck? I didn't even apply but I'll take the quiz anyways. Quiz was terrible. Questions are about some super old Windows XP and how to detect whether its infected or not. 💀

Never heard from them again after that.

[barren lotus]

well i would like to hold a conversation, but i know if i only sent in my resume I'll immediately get rejected

[fringe sphinx]

You miss 💯 of the shots you don't take

[barren lotus]

but i better make this shot count right?

my internal debate is how do i paint myself in the best light possible

[fringe sphinx]

Nope, that's out of your control. Just take the shot. Accept that you'll probably miss any single shot, but each one is an non-zero opportunity

[trim crypt]

Ask ChatGPT after you upload your resume with it?

[barren lotus]

wdym

[fringe sphinx]

You can paste an anonymized resume here

[barren lotus]

along with the JD?

[trim crypt]

I asked Copilot of what it thinks of me after I had lots of conversations with it. It seems to know me pretty well and highlighted some interesting perception of me to it. Didn't think to call myself a pragmatic programmer.

[fringe sphinx]

Not super important here, the main thing is: how are you laying out the resume (does it look professional) and how are you describing your past experience (the experience and project bullets)

A resume screener (ime) looks briefly at your education and most recent experience first to decide if you're someone they're interested.

We don't allow recruiting or job seeking here

[barren lotus]

i feel like there is a difference between how i might approach a job vacancy that i found online, vs one which the recruiter come to me

the crux of the issue is that if this was a job vacancy that i found online, i would have discounted myself immediately for the position because my experience does not overlap enough with the jd.

now that im being pushed to consider this position, i know the recruiter found my contact from somewhere, perhaps linkedin, and they have shown some interest in what ive done. i believe that if im able to reciprocate this interest through some means, like by first asking them for details that would demonstrate some understanding in the job scope, i would stand a better chance

[fringe sphinx]

What's the recruiters job title?

[barren lotus]

they didnt write it in the email

[fringe sphinx]

Look them up on LinkedIn?

[barren lotus]

ah i was dumb

[fringe sphinx]

Doing basic homework: who contacted me? What company? Company news? Etc are all good starting points. Use LinkedIn to find other jobs they've posted, etc

[barren lotus]

HR business partner

[fringe sphinx]

Ok, so true internal recruiter

[barren lotus]

oh, i was also debating something related: should i try to reply them like by tomorrow? it's christmas eve and i dont know if i should feel pressured to reply so soon

[fringe sphinx]

Don't need to play games. It's the holidays, might as well reply now before they're off

But they're an hr person: they're not the one who'd be impressed or care about your interest

[barren lotus]

fair point

[fringe sphinx]

Heck, they're probably not even the one who saw your info.

I assume that they were asked by the hiring manager, or shared a few profiles with the manager who gave them a thumbs up

So, appropriate questions might be (depending on company) are: could you share the job description? What team would this be with? Etc.

[barren lotus]

right: so this was what i was thinking of asking, well, not the jd, but like the project/team

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, basically info that'll help you prepare by researching them

[solid parcel]

Don't discount yourself! I felt the same when AWS and my current employer reached out to me. Internal recruiters generally have a decent sense of what candidates would actually be considered for a role, certainly much more so than many external ones. If they're interested in you for the role, I'd recommend taking that steer rather than second guessing.

[barren lotus]

it's a solutions/consulting company, which means that i dont really know what the project is

[solid parcel]

100% agreed you'll be able to better position yourself if you can find out more about the role and org

[fringe sphinx]

One scenario is they have a customer project and need to staff up (build up a team)

[barren lotus]

correct

[fringe sphinx]

And need to show some experience in something that's on your LinkedIn

[barren lotus]

i dont quite catch what you are saying

[fringe sphinx]

Does your LinkedIn say anything technical?

[barren lotus]

no, not really, mostly just posts of my past projects

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, and what topics are those projects?

[barren lotus]

mostly python stuff, not even devops related

[fringe sphinx]

Any AI?

[barren lotus]

well, machine vision

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, so one possibility is the project is computer vision related

[barren lotus]

nothing to do with devops

[barren lotus]

also this was one post

[fringe sphinx]

You never mentioned DevOps here? Was that the job title?

[barren lotus]

nope, react/typescript engineer

i didnt even put down python, it's only listed as one of my skills

[fringe sphinx]

They said they're hiring a react dev and reached out to you with no react?

[barren lotus]

nope, there was no mention of react in the jd

[fringe sphinx]

Sorry, I'm confused. What was this a reference to? You mentioned DevOps and react, but i thought you were talking about what the recruiter said in their email

[barren lotus]

oh sorry. what i meant was that on linkedin, i only said im a frontend react/typescript engineer in my bio. most of my stuff on linkedin is just stuff like "oh im participating in AoC" or like my past projects

im equally confused as you are why they even emailed me

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not that confused. They saw your title and location, and there aren't that many devs who probably fit those two.

[barren lotus]

but why email me for a devops position?

the only link between my linkedin and the jd is really just python and typescript

[fringe sphinx]

I think I'm still confused. Who said anything about DevOps?

[barren lotus]

the recruiter emailed me about a devops position, the jd mentioned python and typescript

[solid parcel]

Some DevOps roles are heavy on dev/coding work, it's not that surprising 🙂 It's often considered easier to teach a dev ops skills rather than vice versa

[fringe sphinx]

Ah still, makes sense. dev with react, ts, python, etc experience.

Without DevOps, the senior engineers are spending way too much time on infrastructure

And, DevOps is easy to explain to clients for billable hours

[barren lotus]

im not sure i follow

also, i would have thought that your infrastructure and things like testing, deployment and monitoring would be considered pretty important/higher level

[fringe sphinx]

You said it's a consulting company, they charge clients for their time (whether by project, or by hour, or by cost, or whatever)

[barren lotus]

wouldnt you spend your senior engineer hours on infra rather than things like backend

[fringe sphinx]

It is and isn't. It's not like senior engineers aren't involved in DevOps, they just don't need to be the one to spend 40 hours isolating a deployment bug

[barren lotus]

i see

5+ years sound like a senior position though

[fringe sphinx]

To me, devops is the job that never says "that's not my job"

[barren lotus]

heh

i mean, what i lack in experience i make up for in willingness to isolate a deployment bug across the weekend

[solid parcel]

It's an extremely wooly title. Stretched to breaking point to encompass a whole range of roles and responsibilities. And that's not even mentioning the purists who'll swear blind it should only be used to refer to a culture rather than a role at all!

[barren lotus]

like when im writing projects i do my own devops right? i literally have no way of saying "that's not my job"

i dont really understand devops as a specialization

[white relic]

devops is by definition a combination of specializations
dev + ops

it is of necessity a blurry thing, because the real world is blurry sometimes and there is a need for people who can blur the lines

[barren lotus]

is devops supposed to mean literally everything under the sky? i see that it gets defined as both writing backend code and the dealing with infrastructure part of the job

is it just a fancy name for "software engineer that does literally everything"

[white relic]

I wouldn't say you "do your own devops" on personal projects, but when you're developing them you're dev, and when you're deploying them you're ops, if that makes sense

[solid parcel]

The main shift we're seeing is toward platform engineering, so devs can consume well designed infra/security/deployment designs, without needing expertise in them themselves.

DevOps is/was intended to remove friction between ops and devs, but we're now at a point where we're finding devs are being overburdened by a need to understand tons of different specialisms. 'You build it, you run it' doesn't always scale particularly well.

[barren lotus]

i dont really understand what you mean by "consume infra/deployment designs"

[fringe sphinx]

This is the right attitude. Convey this. *** not necessarily the "I have no personal/work life boundary" but the - I like hard problems

[solid parcel]

Rather than expecting devs to manage all those specialisms themselves (or alternatively to be entirely siloed from the teams managing those elements, as they have been historically), orgs are moving towards creating internal portals where developers can access ready-made components. E.g. CI/CD pipelines for a specific type of application, automated K8s cluster creation with security best practices baked in... Productising things, so that devs can self-serve and consume modular components. Backstage is an example of a platform designed to support this, for example 🙂

The idea being that devs are not left waiting on massive lead times for things to be provisioned, nor having to have expertise in all these different specialties themselves.

[fringe sphinx]

Also, it should go without saying: be careful with fraud here. Check the domain of the recruiter/etc.

[barren lotus]

essentially, devops would write things like github workflow, dockerfiles, other configs, to standardize across multiple projects?

[fringe sphinx]

And, devops might also go fix or rewrite some modules or code that are broken because the devs didn't understand how XYZ worked. ie: authentication not working because of how the gateway works. etc

[barren lotus]

that was my first thought actually, i even went to check that the glyph of the a is not a or ɑ

[fringe sphinx]

(depends on the org)

[barren lotus]

that sounds like no one is able to exactly define what the job scope of devops is

[solid parcel]

This is the kind of direction things are moving in, right. Creating modular pipelines with things like security scanning built in, maintaining IaC modules, building out observability tooling that automatically spins up dashboards when devs deploy an application... All that good stuff.

That said it's not necessarily what you'd be doing if you went for this role. DevOps is a frustratingly broadly used term so you'll need to clarify with the recruiter/hiring manager 🙂

[fringe sphinx]

Well, what's the job scope of a developer?

[barren lotus]

then i suppose the best course of action is actually to ask the recruiter what they are expecting in terms of job scope?

it shows maturity in the sense that i understand devops is a loaded term and there is a lot of variation in the job that a devops engineer do between different organizations

[fringe sphinx]

The recruiter knows nothing. They have a job title and description, and that's all they know.

[barren lotus]

hmmm

[solid parcel]

They might be able to give light context, but a conversation at interview with the hiring manager will be much more informative

[barren lotus]

it really does sound like devops engineer is being used as a catch-all term, or rather, a redefinition of the title "software engineer" to show that the job scope goes beyond writing code

at the very least, i now know not to discount myself from devops vacancies

[fringe sphinx]

My vote would be:

• Email them now and tell them: "I'm definitely interested, when can we talk?"
• If you talk on phone, then you could ask: "Is this for an internal project? External client? Can you tell me something about the project or what team is hiring?"
• Then, ask these questions of the hiring team.

In other words, just ask organizational questions from the HR/recruiter.

[barren lotus]

sorry, "ask these questions of the hiring team"?

[fringe sphinx]

Ask the interviewers (the hiring team, usually the manager and some people you'd be working with) about the job / role / tasks / etc.

[barren lotus]

well, assuming that i even get access to talk to them

[fringe sphinx]

That's what the interview is.

[barren lotus]

it's not an interview

[fringe sphinx]

The recruiters job is just to schedule you for an interview.

[barren lotus]

they just cold called me about the vacancy, but there's no guarantee of an interview

[fringe sphinx]

They'll ask basic questions like: Are you human? Did you actually get a degree? Is this actually you? What's your availability and salary expectations?

[barren lotus]

this email was a glorified recruitment drive, essentially

[fringe sphinx]

It's just step 1 of the process. Filter out people so the hiring team doesn't waste time.

[barren lotus]

i would assume that if i only submitted my resume i would get filtered out

[fringe sphinx]

I'm downplaying it: but, you can practice for an HR interview. Softball questions like: "Tell me about yourself". "What are you looking for?". "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?".

[fringe sphinx]

Nope, you'd still go through the same.

People lie on their resume.

Be prepared for the "What are your salary expectations?" question. That is a genuinely hard question to answer.

[barren lotus]

nah, i dont have a CS degree, or a computer engineering degree, or the heart to lie on my resume

[fringe sphinx]

Another good thing to prepare is: 2-3 stories of times you've worked on something hard, had to overcome a challenge, etc.

[barren lotus]

again, this is not an interview

[fringe sphinx]

I know, I'm talking about for the future interview.

[barren lotus]

well i did prepare these for past interviews

[unkempt spade]

then get a CS degree

[barren lotus]

sure, i'll do that before tomorrow, so that i can reply to this recruiter

honestly thinking about this email is wasting too much of my time, i want to get back to my project

[glacial heart]

Uhh chat I have accumulated quite some backlogs due to some life issues is it still possible to land a good paying career if I try to get selected for something like gsoc.i did my course on electronics and communication engineering.
Ping me for the reply.Thank you in advance

https://youtu.be/kBIN2h16Rc4?si=XMyO4JUyf3a-yt8T
How to negotiate salary
@barren lotus

This one is good video for salary nego

[barren lotus]

i dont think you know me enough

i literally cannot care less about my salary

[glacial heart]

Ohh mb I just wanted to help

[barren lotus]

if not for the fact that i need food and shelter i would not need money

[glacial heart]

Well money is sought by those who need it in necessity,i.e., poor people

[barren lotus]

i value the meaningfulness of my work more than what i get in return

i would hate my job if the product was only getting bought by corporate customers but none of their staff like to use it

[glacial heart]

Yes go for it that sounds nice if u are looking for a job u love 💟

[solid parcel]

It's certainly easier to remain motivated if you're doing something you believe in

[barren lotus]

it has to be either something i believe in, or i will try my hardest to steer it towards something I believe in

[fringe sphinx]

My motivation is the little bits of gratitude I get from end users.

[spark shell]

I’m working on a project called Tornet, a popular pip package used by security researchers. I want to modify it, upgrade features, and fix existing issues.
Looking for collaborators who’d like to contribute. Let me know if you’re interested!

This is a great chance to collaborate, learn, and build your career through real open-source contributions.
Looking for people who’d like to collab—let me know if you’re interested!

[peak halo]

Please don't spam the same message in multiple channels. And please don't ask people to DM you to get information that you could have given outright. If you want to talk about the project, please describe it and give the link in #cybersecurity

[ebon elk]

someone explain why some jobs say linux preferred or like have to have i may be a noob but
i asssumed linux is a os like windows or macos why does that matter arent we coding in ide's? maybe a noob question id love to know

[solid parcel]

Linux is the OS that basically the entire web runs on. That's pretty much the whole answer. The vast majority of servers running production workloads are also headless (meaning they don't have a GUI), so it's important to at least know the basics of how to navigate around Linux from the command line. You can pick up the basics of Linux in a week or two, though it takes much longer to understand the internals properly (though that level of understanding isn't required for most roles).

[shy willow]

Instead of Linux I would refer to it as *nix

[glacial heart]

.

[solid parcel]

If you want to be pedantic, then sure 😆 In practise, the meaning is clear regardless

[dusty finch]

great advice. I just started dabbling in linux in a vm while doing the odin project, it's completely foreign otherwise. Good to know that I should focus more on learning it on my learning path

[shy willow]

it is pedantry, agreed. But it sets the context, because linux, unix, android, bsd, macos, they are all in the same set that is related to Linux.

but, to be clear, the original one was Unix, which itself is a kind of universe. The beauty of knowing Linux is that you will also have a good working understanding of all this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Unix_systems

[somber finch]

Hi so my little brother he just download those YouTuber hack that auto farm in roblox for him, and he is using my MacBook with my iCloud in it what is the chance of my personal info also get hack?
How do i like stop that cause he won’t listen and keep saying it legit macro from a 300k sub YouTuber

[somber delta]

@solid parcel One thing I have noticed is the prevalence of roles where data science, ml, math skills would give you an upper leg or at least open the door where you can apply

[peak halo]

this doesn't seem related to careers. try asking in one of the three off-topic channels.

[somber delta]

@peak halo how long have you been doing ML / data science

[peak halo]

like 7 years

[somber delta]

Oh nice, which industry are you working in rn?

[peak halo]

research and development

[somber delta]

Finance, manufacturing, defence, medicine?

[peak halo]

it isn't really any of those. I don't want to elaborate.

[solid parcel]

Makes some sense given the massive demand for ML skills currently

[somber delta]

Fair enough, did you do a PHD or masters?

[peak halo]

I didn't do either, but most of my coworkers have at least a masters and many have a phd.

[somber delta]

Yh it’s quite common. Something I’m going to need to add for sure

[somber delta]

Ahh ok

[somber finch]

Ok

#off-topic-lounge-text

[pearl narwhal]

Guys i m data scientist but i got the opportunity as an ai engineer but i need to switvh my whole cv to ai engineer version , is it good to mention in the project side that i ve worked on qcm genration from pdf which is smtg very very basic

[blazing ridge]

Can you anyone enlighten me on the backend server dev scene of python?

[somber delta]

Django and FastAPI. I rarely see Flask

[blazing ridge]

How is the job market?

[somber delta]

I can't really say
Use this: https://www.itjobswatch.co.uk/

[solid parcel]

Pretty terrible across the board at the moment. Particularly for grads and juniors, but all levels are struggling

[wicked root]

guys i created my own pip package 💯

[worn yew]

Hey guys
I wanna ask a question about your GitHub: what type of code did u posted there the first time you were creating your own portfolio?

What kind of projects have you posted there initially?

[regal axle]

The projects I wanted to make. Don’t try to make something for the sake of making it look good on your page. Make things you are interested in. Everything else will follow

[worn yew]

Really? I have some unfinished projects here, but I don’t think they are simple enough to go into my GitHub or user friendly lol

[near vortex]

hello

[wicked root]

pip install secure-run -- made by Viren 💯

[marsh sage]

a yo

[wary laurel]

urgh giving me flashbacks

[regal axle]

GitHub doesn’t have to only contain 1000 star repos. It’s fine to upload other things you are working on. Even if only for you. In most cases, GitHub isn’t a deciding factor into hiring. It typically isn’t looked at with any level of scrutiny. Most of the time.

[next plover]

what matters is what you can show, unfinished projects are fine if they show you understand various concepts

i dont even use github for my projects it didnt matter because i could explain everything ive done (they are all in bitbucket)

[regal axle]

Yea. The ultimate purpose of doing projects is so that you have things to talk about in great detail. And with great passion. It makes it much easier to inteview you

[robust gyro]

Guys am I cooked if I can do algebra / calculus in programming but can’t do it on paper irl??

[jaunty turtle]

Hey everyone. Im looking for a technical co-founder (senior dev - 10+ years Python/django - GCP specialized). Does anyone know someone that you like and trust you can refer?

[modest kraken]

Can’t look or post jobs here. Also, are you technical?

[jaunty turtle]

Define technical. I’m not a developer.

It’s not a job post. I’m looking for a co-founder.

[woeful depot]

The joy when you hit $10k during festive period 🤭💃💃☺️☺️
I'm fu*kin happy right now 🤭🤭🤭

[wary laurel]

if i do angela lu python day 15, am i ready for a job ?

[strange zenith]

You will be ready for a job when you have hands-on experience with Python in terms of building your own projects or doing an internship.

[daring pike]

is there some one here realy good at python helping me with something !

[balmy mural]

Considering people who study computer science at university for 4 years still struggle to get jobs, I doubt 15 days of a udemy course would prepare you for a job

[deft crystal]

Hey guys i want to start full stack with python and also DSA too....
Is there any one interested?
Dm to me

If anyone have resources dm to me

[strange zenith]

This, example is me.

[next plover]

to be fair (in my personal experience) a portion people dont care to take the time to truly understand a lot of the concepts (but the market is also horrible rn)

[night osprey]

selamün aleyküm @cloud loom babayla geliyok

[undone phoenix]

Solution ?

[open ivy]

What evidence do you have that the market is actually horrible?

[near ocean]

The number of layoffs, currently employed people at different levels/tenure, etc

[next plover]

have you been on the internet in the last 8 months?

too many people not enough jobs too high standards for entry

[open ivy]

They distort everything and use anecdotes etc.

[next plover]

and the layoffs are fake?

the job I have had over 500 applications within 2 days of it being posted. One position

[open ivy]

There are always layoffs, but the news cycle makes it sounds like a constant shrinkage when new people alsy go on.

[open ivy]

Applying cold is not generally a good strategy, unless you laser-target. AI spam is a thing.

[near ocean]

There isnt enough hiring right now to counter the layoffs

Theres a net people leaving jobs for one reason or another

[next plover]

these are assumptions at best

[open ivy]

If you are sending out large numbers of applications then it makes sense to automate some of the process.

But lots of people on this server don't like automating job applications for the simple reason that spamming out a ton is not a good strat.

[midnight mesa]

Hello can any body be active with me for 2 minutes just to be able to open my maik any body

[next plover]

can you prove those 500 people I mentioned are doing this? or is it an assumption

there are too many people for not enough jobs is my point

[midnight mesa]

I want to open a premstion

[open ivy]

Then more and more people will have to learn to live without a job?

[next plover]

an oversaturated market is a bad market no?

[near ocean]

How does one learn to live without a job

[midnight mesa]

I want somepeple who well be active for some minutes

[next plover]

i cant believe im agreeing with mar this is monumental

[near ocean]

What do you mean we have near identical opinions always

[next plover]

yeah!

[midnight mesa]

Guys I want your advice from life what did you learn and what should you learn and if you back to the past what were you do

[next plover]

what field are you interested in going into?

[open ivy]

I am not that good at getting a job (even with the help from others here). Other people outclass me leages and bounds in salesperson skills. Trying to learn such skills is ongoing but I am alwas playing catchup. Also, my degree is a nuanced match.

So, it seems that applying for jobs cold is just wasting my time. I will always be beaten by people who are better in this tight market.

[midnight mesa]

Generally

[open ivy]

Only the occasional laser for me.

[near ocean]

Have you learned to live with it?

[next plover]

im confused you just said the market wasnt as bad as people are saying?

[near ocean]

Maybe it's time to expand the type of work you're willing to take? Do you not need an income?

[open ivy]

That was my hope, but you seem to think I was wrong.

[next plover]

you are

im not saying you go on r/cscareeradvice and doom about how hard your life is but the market for jobs does suck right now

[midnight mesa]

Why this massege show to me

He said that I am not active

[near ocean]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing

[open ivy]

That is why I am avoiding spending a lot of time on cold applications. If it is hopeless, then I get nothing.

But for community building and portfolio building, I learn, have fun, build skills, etc. Even if the market fails.

[next plover]

thats a good approach

[midnight mesa]

Which group should I be active in to open this permastion

[unkempt spade]

print("idk")
idk

[open ivy]

I accept that it may be hopeless for me.

But aging is pretty hopeless as well. So we shouldn't let future horrible things affect enjoying today and building what we can.

Just don't waste huge amounts of time looking for a fountain of youth. There are other things in life.

[midnight mesa]

[open ivy]

My job hunting strat should be reasonable, building connections and community, making cool stuff, showing it to others, etc.

But a tough market could make whatever strat I use fail, because it becomes very nonlinear.

[next plover]

just remember, its not who you know its who knows you

[open ivy]

"Kids have imaginary friends. Adults have imaginary friendships". Too many people pour parasocial time and energy into celebraties, sports figures, etc who do not know they even exists.

So yes getting others to know you, even if they are not famous or high-ranking, is good for connections. And it is healthy.

[solid parcel]

This is a terrible take given how much quantitative data is out there saying that now is a really rough time for the tech job market, particularly tech grads.

[open ivy]

Can you post links to some of this data?

[solid parcel]

Usually would, honestly CBA to spend time on this given it's Christmas Eve here. But even a cursory Google will show you at least a handful of high quality job reports, surveys and so on.

[open ivy]

IF so, then cold applications are a waste of time for me. Other people are just better at it than me (degree match, salesperson skills, years of formal industry). Why do something that is guaranteed to fail?

I do hope that my strat can eventually overcome it. But even if it fails, it is far from a waste considering how neat it is to programming cool stuff and meet people.

[potent tusk]

idk, I did a quick google and haven't found a ton of data to say it's a terrible time - worse than it's been probably, but tech has just been very hot most of the time.

The US tech unemployment rate was 4.0% in November 2025, according to a CompTIA analysis of U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics data. This is a rise from the previous month and remains below the national unemployment rate, which was 4.6% in November.

unemployment below 5% is considered good in general, and tech remains below the general unemployment rate

it's just that for much of the last bunch of years, tech unemployment was at more like 2-3%

(note - I looked only at the US)

[solid parcel]

Worth looking into how that number actually deals with grads, as well as the lag period between employment ending and being classed as unemployed

[fringe sphinx]

We've talked about this months. Just because cold emails haven't worked for you doesn't mean it won't work for you. My advice to any job seeker is; use all your available options, don't take negative response personally.

[solid parcel]

Bit snowed under at the moment, happy to find some actual sources to explain what I mean when I get some time

[potent tusk]

well, new grad unemployment will be higher, as it's always higher and always been higher. but in general the numbers are pretty well correlated.

[solid parcel]

Grads are not counted as unemployed in an industry, they're only captured in the aggregate unemployment number. So the industry unemployment figures can end up being misleading when grads are really struggling to land roles

[potent tusk]

I'd basically be curious (rather than explanations of how it works) for evidence that:
a) Is the tech sector is any worse than the average in the economy?
b) Is the economy generally worse than the average it's been historically?
AFAIK the answer to both of these is "no"

https://www.finalroundai.com/blog/computer-science-graduates-face-worst-job-market-in-decades#:~:text=Computer science graduates are struggling,CS job market in decades.&text=Link copied!,has become a cruel joke.
I did find this article, which says that CS new grad unemployment rates are relatively high - higher than most other college majors. though, their median salaries are still among the highest.
but these numbers still aren't that high in absolute terms.

[open ivy]

The CS unemployment rate is not that high, and the CS underemployment rate is the lowest in the entire list.

You are right that this does not sound like "gloom and doom" at all! So it seems like it isn't hopeless for me to send out some cold applications here and there, even though I am at a disadvantage cold-app wise.

All the people saying it is "gloom and doom" but none of them linked any evidence...

[regal axle]

A) doesn’t matter if yes or no. New jobs are at a low and firing has started at a decent rate. This is true across the entire economy (except healthcare). Some sectors more than others.

B) that depends on how you define better or worse. And how historic? But short is that yes, it’s worse. In this context especially. The job market right now is worse than 2008/9. But that’s also based on private sector numbers. Nuance there. Anyways, buying power and ladder climbing is at a low right now too. So even if 100k sounds like a lot, it’s far less than it used to be. All to say, yes. It’s worse. In this context of getting a job.

Some extra nuance for you about the reported unemployment numbers. They don’t take into account gig workers and the numbers gathered by the us government are wrong / flawed. And only months later are they revised to a more accurate number. But more accurate isn’t 100% accurate anyways.

It’s not all gloom and doom. But it is a really tough time and spot.

[open ivy]

Wouldn't gig workers be counted in "underemployed" in the linked article @potent tusk sent out?

Whatever nuances with unemployment numbers was always an issue.

[potent tusk]

I think a) does matter a lot, as it helps give perspective on what is actually a "bad job market", versus what's simply a worse job market compared to the red hot job market that tech has had for decades.
And do you have figures to back up what you're saying for b) ?
I haven't seen anyone credible make the claim that the US economy is currently in worse shape than 2008

of course, you can simply say these numbers are flawed - yes, of course they're flawed, all numbers are. But they're still pretty much the best guesses we have, from a reasonably unbiased source, or at least perhaps equally biased at different points in time.

[charred scaffold]

for those who are graduated/already work in an AI field. Do you use propositional logic/predicatelogic/lambda calculus in your daily work life
or is it something useful in a way?
also merry christmas

[open ivy]

Yes, the state of the economy affects job search strategies.

If it is really tough then cold applications becomes less of a workable strategy because you need more "oomph" to get in. But when it heats up, that is the time to apply more, to an extent at least.

There is no limit to portfolio work, meeting people, etc so there is always something useful to do with time (including the right level of recreation).

Also, the perceived state of the economy affects people a LOT and must be accounted for while networking.

[potent tusk]

yeah, I think though in the end there's really not that much point working about what's workable or not. Just do your best as BillyBobby said.
Also the overall state of the economy's influence on a specific person is honestly typically overstated.
Amazing vs horrible unemployment numbers in the US are like 4% vs 10%. In either case, most people have jobs, and a lot of those people could happen to be at companies doing well, or they could be finding a lot of success and growth in their career, or they could happen to specialize in a niche that's in demand. Or, obviously, the exact opposite of those things.
So in the end there's not really much point discussing the state of the economy endlessly (and to be really honest it doesn't have too much place here).
Just do your best in terms of developing skills and trying to apply; there's nothing else you can do.

[knotty osprey]

hey so ive learnt quite a bit of python using programiz and i built a small OS SYTEM but im bbored and it christmas morning and i was wondering if anyone has anything i can code to keep myself busy

[opal girder]

leetcode

[lusty stratus]

I'm thinking that once I've learnt python properly to weather forecast, make graphs, etc I could charge people for me to weather forecast for them to make my hobby more montizable. Any ideas on how I can specialise? I doubt that people would spend money to buy a service that they can get by searching up their location on a weather app, even if it's a lot less accurate that way

[deft jay]

I think it depends on your accuracy

Like if u say that there are 80% chnaces of rain in ur area andit actually rains the day after, u will build trust

U can give them like a free trial once they realize ur accurate ppl will spend

I think I'm more drawn towards game development but that shit tuff

[wicked root]

https://pypi.org/project/secure-run/

Rate my PyPI project 🙂

[hearty island]

shit, my coworker put in his 2 weeks notice. all hell is breaking loose

[still condor]

This is the wrong channel (if you want code review, you can make a post in #1035199133436354600), but: the lack of a link to source code and an explanation of how it works is very suspicious

[hearty island]

he's only been here for like a year and a half

[still condor]

the generic name, very brief description, no repository link, no documentation really makes it look like malware

[dire hornet]

I personally would not pay extra for something that i could get free. It would also probably be the same for most people who dont take a deep interest in something such as weather forecasting

[lusty stratus]

Yeah that’s the problem, I need to find something that people can’t get for free

[dire hornet]

Have you tried researching possible ideas? Google,chat gpt etc

[lusty stratus]

Not yet, I should tbh

I could also js make a Reddit post asking people what they would ask for if they had a personal weather forecaster

[dire hornet]

really good idea hadnt thought about that

how long have you been learning python?

[smoky quest]

I would also encourage you to look into what can be done with the weather data or its prediction.
For instance, there used to be that startup that would enable you to insure your events against the weather.

[modest kraken]

That’s kinda smart

[astral wadi]

January-December Alhamdulillah🙏

[vapid violet]

Are these your sales of python related freelancing?

[solid parcel]

Between the AI generated pfp, the fact they've only been on Discord for a few months, this being the only thing they've posted in the server, and just how easy it is to modify the numbers dashboards like that show, I'd put money on it being complete BS.

[vapid violet]

I agree 🙃

[astral wadi]

it's my sales proof not generated i have notifications here on each orders daily

If you wanna know you can send me dm

[vapid violet]

Sales of what?

[solid parcel]

Andddd there is it 😁 Go try and hook some other sucker, preferably far away from here

[vapid violet]

I'm not going to accept a friend request for a question that can be answered here

[astral wadi]

of my product on my store i own an Apparel store

[vapid violet]

And that is related to python careers how?

[astral wadi]

Not Python career it's An e-commerce business and i operate on shopify so it's my sales analysis

If you wanna the notifications from my mail i can show you

[pure kiln]

🙁

[warped abyss]

hii

i need a small help
i need a project idea for my final year project
the development has to be 2 months
if anyone have any idea
Please let me know

[smoky quest]

you could make a chess game

[warped abyss]

Bruh
🥲

[icy pagoda]

why not

[smoky quest]

wat

[warped abyss]

my college don't accepts it
i need some domain like
blockchain ,ai

[smoky quest]

wat

[icy pagoda]

chess engines can be plenty ai if you wanna market it like that

[smoky quest]

bro chess.ai

[icy pagoda]

ngl i half expected it to work

[warped abyss]

any other idea you have bro?

[smoky quest]

a go game

[warped abyss]

anything other than game please

[smoky quest]

a raytracer

[warped abyss]

ray tracing like in the NVIDIA?

[smoky quest]

no, not a GPU

like a ray tracer

[warped abyss]

u mean?
i can't understand bro

[smoky quest]

what's confusing about it bro?

[proud glacier]

<@&831776746206265384>

[summer roost]

!pban 1423434087892520993 scammer

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @astral wadi permanently.

[modest kraken]

How does CS related research work?

[warped abyss]

creating own ray tracer?

[smoky quest]

yeah, creating your own ray tracer

[warped abyss]

hmm sounds good
but am 0 at it
also my clg has told that
the project must have 2 months of development duration and also
the project must be worth for it , we should not just adjust the exsisting project

also from the exsisting solution , how unique yours is
that also asking

[astral fable]

is there any scope for like doing a basic computer science degree for undergraduate without any specilization or such? With the whole AI thing rising now and all wont basic software engineering be kinda obsolete

[novel quartz]

is the interview or test harder

[fringe sphinx]

That's the normal way. Specialization is often fad chasing

[sand patio]

it depends on the type of research--CS is a huge field; a lot of it is math, proofs, etc

you could look at labs various universities might have and what types of projects they're doing, papers they're publishing, etc.

[atomic pike]

Hey I am new to this server can any one tell me did learning data science is good in 2026 because I am just in class 8th

[sonic rose]

https://github.com/rocky/python-xdis?tab=readme-ov-file#installation

How to use this tool?
.Pyc

[peak halo]

hello, this is the career discussion channel. please move your messages to a new thread in #1035199133436354600

[sonic rose]

Okay thank you

[peak halo]

if you define data science as "writing code to analyze data and do modeling", it's hard to say how much opportunity there is in that space, because the phrase "data science" is mostly hype and it isn't used consistently in job listings.

[atomic pike]

ok but my future goal is to learn deep learning and make career in AI and I thought learning data analytics is first step towards my goal

[peak halo]

sounds good.

that sounds like a huge red flag. you shouldn't have to pay at any step of a hiring process.

[atomic pike]

Thanks

[raw patrol]

Hii

[pulsar fossil]

Hi, Everyone!
I’ve built my portfolio website, but I haven’t added projects or blogs yet.
I’d really appreciate your feedback on the design, layout, UI, and overall first impression.
Website: https://erosnyxius.vercel.app/

[vast shoal]

100% a scam

[jagged egret]

hii

[gleaming kettle]

Hi 🙋‍♂️

[jagged egret]

where are you from?

[modest kraken]

Probably get better projects

Your experiences is more impressive than your project so put that first

[green minnow]

this is not bad, is it okay if i copy the format a little bit? i just realize that my education should be right at the bottom xd

[pulsar fossil]

Thank you! yes I'll 🥲

[gleaming kettle]

Im from Germany🇩🇪, and you?

[green minnow]

anyway, I’ve got a question, if you ever wanted to hire someone for a project you’re really interested in, what kind of project would that be?

[green minnow]

You can also change the vercel subdomain to something more realistic that you like, instead of those random urls

oh wait we're using a different domain mb

but i think u can still change it using vercel

[pulsar fossil]

i'll buy my own domain for my portfolio! but noted your advice btw thank you !!

[pulsar fossil]

oh yes! now erosnyxius.vercel.app xD

[green minnow]

Nice!!

[serene kite]

what should i have accomplished before i apply to places like google?

I am interested in Software Engineering/ Site Realiability Engineering Roles

[near ocean]

A degree and some possibly interesting side projects

[serene kite]

I haven't completed my degree but I have worked full time for 3 years in a Cloud Consultancy Firm

Over 3 years, I completed many projects and gained a vast amount of experience working as a Backend Engineer/ Data Engineer/ Junior ML Engineer and IT Support.

Those were the 4 roles I had to cover at the company I worked for.

I worked with GCP products of course.

[solid parcel]

First up, depends if you're going for a SWE, SRE SWE or SRE SE role. They have slightly different focuses. SWE and SRE SWE are both counted as software engineering roles so once at Google, you can transfer from one to the other without having to do additional assessments. SRE SE meanwhile, isn't quite as flexible. While you still do need to be a proficient developer, there's much more of a focus on Linux internals, networking and all that good stuff. Because of the slightly different focus, the interview process differs slightly and if once at Google you decide you want to transfer to a SWE role, you do have to do a couple of assessments to prove competence.

I'd start by looking into how the work that SWE, SRE SWE and SRE SE roles do differs at Google. Gotta work out what you're targeting before you can work out how to get there.

With 3 YoE, you'd likely be targeting an L3 or L4 role.

[serene kite]

Thank you for this information.

Would the following be considered L3?

https://www.google.com/about/careers/applications/jobs/results/96293728028631750-site-reliability-engineer?location=Australia&target_level=INTERN_AND_APPRENTICE&target_level=EARLY

[solid parcel]

Looks like L3 is the target level for this post, yup. Google can uplevel you during the interview process if they feel you're performing above the level they'd posted for, though 🙂 (Same can work downwards, but not with an L3 opening given that's their entry grade).

[serene kite]

Thank you for your time looking into it and helping me by answering these questions.

[solid parcel]

I'm planning to target an SRE SE role at Google a couple of years from now. L4/L5 is the goal. Currently in a DevOps role, so I'm planning to shift laterally into an SRE role in my current org and spend a ton of time upskilling for the Google interview process. It's a pretty gruelling one! Tons to know, and you need enough systems knowledge to actually be able to solve novel situations rather than having simply memorised a few facts

[serene kite]

How do you prepare your resume for applying to such roles?

Also, do you have plans to ship products to highlight your skillsets to Google?

Do we need to be part of communities such as Google Developers Group, etc to be eligible?

I am sorry if I am asking too many questions, I am very eager to learn this process and understand.

[solid parcel]

I'm currently working as a senior devops and cloud engineer for a large retail bank in the UK. I've had a coffee chat with a lead engineer and will hopefully be able to shift laterally into an SRE and platform engineering role. That should give me exposure to managing reliable, distributed systems at scale.

Looking at SRE positions, you've got to be able to demonstrate an ability to manage, reason about and troubleshoot distributed systems (though they don't have to be Google scale), automate toil, implement monitoring guardrails to track service quality (e.g. SLOs), and particularly for more senior roles, an ability to lead on projects, manage complex cross-team work and balance priorities.

[solid parcel]

You don't necessarily have to have shipped products for SRE SE roles. It would be beneficial for SWE or SRE SWE roles, though. No, you don't have to be in groups like that, but it can be a good way to build connections. Just by being in technical communities I've built up relationships with a lot of capable engineers. Because they've actually seen me discussing technical subjects, they've got enough confidence in me that they'd be happy to refer me for a position in their org, which isn't necessarily the case if you're just reaching out to people cold.

There's tonsssss of info online about Google's interview process. chat-GPT would be able to point you in the right direction when it comes to what they look for in a CV, what their interview process involves and how best to prepare for it 🙂

[serene kite]

I’m leaning towards SRE rather than Android/iOS SWE since that’s where my experience is strongest.

I’ve owned a client’s GCP infra for ~2 years (multiple prod apps, web-facing, broker-used) where reliability was non-negotiable during business hours. I handled live incidents, business-critical updates, cost control, and GKE/VPN constraints, while keeping uptime at ~100%.

Through that, I’ve been focusing on automation, monitoring/guardrails, and reasoning about system failures rather than just feature delivery.

For people targeting Google SRE:
– How do you usually present this kind of experience on a resume?
– Is shipping side projects useful for SRE, or is depth in real systems more important?
– Any advice on preparing for the systems-heavy interview style beyond pure DSA through Leetcode?

I will also review this document before I craft my resume.
https://www.google.com/about/careers/applications/how-we-hire

[solid parcel]

<@&831776746206265384> Got another scam bot in here

[still condor]

!cleanban @thorny needle spam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @thorny needle permanently.

[ocean sorrel]

Hello everyone
I’m student in software engineering
But right now I got problem about the way I can use to get experience in what I’m learning so can someone please suggest me the strategies I can use !!!!

[solid parcel]

What's the problem you're running into, specifically? To get general experience, you can build your own projects. To get experience working as part of a team and building for users, you can contribute to open source. To get experience of what it's like doing dev work at a company, internships are pretty much the only way outside of landing a proper role.

[astral fable]

since yall alr experienced, so not taking up a specialization in ur under grad does not give u any disadvantage ye?

[fringe sphinx]

Undergrads, by definition, are broad degrees meant to provide a foundation of knowledge. You have no idea what your first job will require.

Arguably, having a broad foundation will give you more of an advantage.

But, if there's one thing you want to learn and specialize in, that's fine too.

[true harness]

specialization is generally for grad school and beyond. generally though you would look to find internships in what you're interested in

[tired herald]

Hello. This is Alexis Abbott.
Senior Python Engineer with 10+ years of experience designing, developing, and deploying high-performance, scalable web applications,
RESTful APIs, data pipelines, and machine learning solutions.
This is my linkedin profile.
https://www.linkedin.com/in/alexis-abbott-63a798290/

[sullen bear]

Hello 👋

[wispy cave]

Hello! Could I get a review for my CV please

[regal axle]

First look; you don't have the years of experience to be able to argue for 2 pages. Your CV MUST be 1 page.

[wispy cave]

am i adding too much detail about relevant things or are there too many irrelevant things in it?

[regal axle]

Too much irrelevant details. You can high level explain a project. But you don't need to name every single feature you created. Instead you are solving problems or improving something through technical explinations. The what/how is more important than the actual feature itself.

[wispy cave]

got it, thank you!

[pastel crystal]

if u make discord bots dm

[peak halo]

you can't use this server to ask people to make you Discord bots. if you want to learn how to make one, head to #discord-bots.
Your message is off-topic for this channel. Be sure to read each channel description before sending messages.

[pastel crystal]

Thanks

[ocean sorrel]

I try to contribute to open source projects but I think better I need to work as part of a team and internship

So is it possible to get internships online????

[sudden zenith]

Hey, what opensource projects do you think would be good to contribute to.

[lilac yoke]

Something that you use frequently

Maybe you use some library and wish it was capable of doing X. Can always implement it and make a PR.

[solar garden]

if i want to pursue a career in AI is doing 3d modeling as a side hobby smart? or spending my free time on learning ai only better ai would be my priority ofc

tho the 2 arent really connected so thats what makes me question that decision

[simple canopy]

I recently got a PC and I have my github account connected to my VScode but cant figure out how to sync all my folders and stuff from my Laptop to my PC. after i connected my github - (on VScode) - to my PC, i thought it would have all synced automatically but no. Does anyone know how to properally sync files to VScode

[peak halo]

@simple canopy this is the career discussion channel. Tru asking in #editors-ides

@simple canopy looks like you did that before. Please don't ask the same question in more than one place as it causes duplication of effort.

[astral epoch]

Sup people, Im have a goal in mind and wanted to know if there are any affordable python certifications I could go for, it would be much appreciated!!! lmk

[peak halo]

You don't need to get a python certificate. They won't improve your prospects. You can learn python for free.

Degrees have perceived value. Python certificates do not.

[astral epoch]

its for a personal goal

[nocturne harbor]

!warn 790188155969601577 This is not a job board, recruiting is not allowed here.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @lavish void.

[obsidian flame]

anyone here owns or works at a tech or software coop? i’ve been doing research on them and im so intrigued by them

would like to hear anyone’s perspective on them.

[sudden zenith]

alrght thanks

[pseudo nest]

anyone wants python automation services

[fringe sphinx]

We don't allow recruiting, hiring, advertising, job seeking, etc here.

[green minnow]

i think doing 3d modeling as a side hobby is a good idea, it can help u develop skills that are useful for ur career in AI

but dont stress too much about it

[green minnow]

you dont NEED certifications to learn and become proficient in python. if you're just starting out, there are plenty of free learning resources available online, like codecademy, coursera, edx, and youtube tutorials

[proud glacier]

this isn't a place to post memes

[lean granite]

hello guys

i'm new here

[dire hornet]

hello

[dire hornet]

how long have you started learning python?

[regal copper]

hello

[solid gale]

I have been hearing that the job market rn is pretty rough is it true?

[balmy spade]

It's certainly been easier in the near past.

[regal axle]

Yea, it is real rough. Not just this industry. All of them

[solid gale]

then what will companies do anyways?

higher unemployment means lower sales

[fringe sphinx]

Employment rates are very difficult to analyze. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/UNRATE

[solid gale]

its slowly rising

[solemn kindle]

Hi I am pretty new

Idk if someone can help me I want to install something but doesnt work you can contact me dm for help plzz ty!

[solid gale]

@fringe sphinx do you know wtf happened at 2020? bc of covid?

[fringe sphinx]

Open a help thread plz: #❓｜how-to-get-help

[fringe sphinx]

Yes covid.

[solemn kindle]

ty

[solid gale]

ah

[fringe sphinx]

2009 was a stock market crash. 2001 was the dot com bust

Now, this is general unemployment. Not sector specific.

[solid gale]

yeah

im sure engineering jobs would have a pretty big hit these past months

[fringe sphinx]

so my point is - it's just hard to get factual data on how specific industries are hit. It's largely anecdotal, or deductive reasoning (ie: lots of layoffs from tech companies, etc)

[regal axle]

You can look into the term "k shaped economy" that describes what we are in now and the direction things are headed. Basically, top 10% of earners make up 50% of purchases.

[solid gale]

layoffs is going to backfire to the company anyway

bc who tf is going to be able to afford their services

[solid gale]

damn income inequality is really high

[fringe sphinx]

I'd just say - it's hard to explain the labor market with simple explanations.

[solid gale]

ppl are saying electronics is going to boom , idk how true that is

[regal axle]

And also all markets are cyclical. Events happen that make them grow and shrink and impact each other in different ways. Economics complicated

[solid gale]

yeah but i dont think unemployment is going to fall anytime soon

[fringe sphinx]

But unemployment is extremely low to begin with. That was my point of that chart.

[solid gale]

is this the entire world or just the US?

[fringe sphinx]

That is US

[solid gale]

ah i see

[fringe sphinx]

Just to reiterate. I'm not saying everything is great, only that it's just complicated

[solid gale]

okay

[solid parcel]

Some are much more cyclical than others; things like utilities are pretty consistent even in downturns

[solid parcel]

This is absolutely true; not all jobs are made equal, for one. So looking at overall employment is just one piece of the picture

[sand hawk]

has anybody ever left a team due to "cultural" differences ? i find one colleague too much of a dubious lazy liar, maybe for some he would be ok, but for me it's a daily wound rub... also i'm looking at job ads right now but i'm not even sure how i could be sure i would be happy with them. sorry for the confused message, that's my state of mind

[lilac yoke]

a recruiter gave me the advice to always do two interviews every year, even if you are happy with your current position.

I wouldn't up and quit until you have another job lined up, or could use that job offer to move to a different team with a better role

[smoky quest]

I am sure some people have. But should you?

First step would be to quantify or qualify the problem. Not everyone has to be your BFF anyway
Then looking at remediation steps. Jumping straight to changing job is a lot of effort, and while you do know what you leave, you don't know what you get.

Is it a case of them rubbing you the wrong way or some behavior that affects the execution or productivity of the team?
Have you talked about it with your manager?

[dire hornet]

Isn't it part of the job to be able to make the best of an uncomfortable situation? Like I am not saying that you need to torture yourself to be better, but being able to handle relationships like this could be key to future success in that department

[scarlet ferry]

another win for py

[deep halo]

Typescript win bruh

[modest kraken]

Insane throw to typescript

[deep halo]

Literally

[fringe sphinx]

What kind of insane chart is this?

Implying that TS and Python grew by ~30% in 6 months of 2025?

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

[icy pagoda]

damn programmers do be learning more langs/total programmers increased a lot

[crisp stream]

how are they counting users though?

[fringe sphinx]

Like any good scientist... making up half the numbers 😉

In case I'm not clear: I think that chart is utter nonsense.

[proud glacier]

it seems like it's from GH's survey