career-advice

[sand patio]

sure, but i don't think it really matters to an employer

[leaden jasper]

Sweeping statements like that, aren't helpful and almost certaintly are not true.

[stray mauve]

I know people go for the izy or cheap ones

[sand patio]

why would it be cheaper?

[near ocean]

Is it really cheaper and easier if you have to do all these other things to have the same outcomes as CE, as you say?

[stray mauve]

When I say izy and cheap alot of people are Offering it than CE that's what I mean

[stray mauve]

Like alot of people offering it

[stray mauve]

U are the one that muted me

[leaden jasper]

I am only going to say this one more time, because it feels like I'm talking to a brick wall in this channel, but advice in this channel should be given from a place where people are aware of the experience of the person and their rough geographic location/experience.

The school system and job market in Europe is different than the US which is different than east asia.

So just saying "CE will always be harder than CS in any school" or "It's dying because of AI revolution tho and u need to standout in the job market" are not even remotely helpful.

[leaden jasper]

for spamming the same message after I warned you? yeah

[stray mauve]

Just because he said he is from Africa 😂

[stray mauve]

U shouldn't mute like that next time

[leaden jasper]

? I genuinely don't know what you're trying to say.

I am saying that you should refrain from making broad, sweeping statements and when you do provide your view of the job market it is helpful to provide some context about where your experience is coming from.

[stray mauve]

I have said it all and some are getting offended

[lethal sierra]

No one is offended, they are just trying to understand your experience

[stray mauve]

Are u no one lol

Do u know about the others

[lethal sierra]

What does that even mean

[stray mauve]

Bro the CS is now a common field and it's still worth it

[leaden jasper]

!mute 1292271099366871111 3H Nope. I've tried giving you plenty of warnings here to adjust how you're engaging. You seem to assume anyone asking questions or engage with you is attacking you. We have a standard for this channel and you are not meeting it.

If you want to engage here, then rethink how you're coming across and re-read through my messages for how to adjust.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @stray mauve until <t:1764802753:f> (3 hours).

[lethal sierra]

Rip lil bro

[leaden jasper]

Just saying barely connecting statements will not get you very far here.

[fringe sphinx]

!ban 1351979592839069799 crypto scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @magic ruin permanently.

[balmy mural]

Just from another perspective, it ain't all of Africa, but from my little part of Africa, with the second highest unemployment rate in the world, a CS degree is probably one of the best possible degrees you can get to improve your job prospects. Is it better than CE? maybe. Is it worse than CE? Also maybe. It's going to depend on the university and what they actually cover in their programme. And a university offering both, is going to have 90% of the classes overlapping anyway

[stray mauve]

Sorry I got muted by one spookie, overlapping because the same concept learn in CS also learnt in CE

[stray mauve]

Wyd vro

@near ocean I take back what I said earlier

[long solar]

whats the most hours anyones worked per week

[peak halo]

Probably 60. It's really rare that that happens.

[long solar]

So you did that for multiple weeks?

[peak halo]

No, it's really rare that that happens.

[long solar]

Oh I meant the most sustained amount

[peak halo]

Does college/uni count?

[long solar]

No I was just thinking work

[balmy mural]

Most hours I've worked for a sustained abount was about 45-48 hours per week for 3 weeks. Only happened once though

[stray mauve]

U should close terminal and open a new one

[shrewd cloak]

it’s still the same, even when I try again

[stray mauve]

Show me your code

[inner wren]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[stray mauve]

Maybe u should restart your code editor or try diagnosing it again

[sleek inlet]

I guess ur visual studio code is outdated or maybe infected

What language is this

[woeful vapor]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1247627092389265575/1359252010955968704/mlk-discord.gif

get new gpu sir

scream russian insults at it

[radiant vortex]

!ban 504049242453573642 Based on your message history you aren't a good fit for this server

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @woeful vapor permanently.

[radiant vortex]

@shrewd cloak@stray mauve@sleek inlet For future, please use an off-topic channel for this sort of discussion

[sleek inlet]

Oh ok

[stray mauve]

It's career discussion wym off topic

[radiant vortex]

This has nothing to do with discussing careers

[vital lotus]

hi

[vapid jay]

i don't get how peeps manage to never read the channel heading and also come down the channel list to just post questions for python while looking at python discussions, python help, general chats?!?!?

this gotta be some troll behavior if it was genuine this is cooked

[vital lotus]

holy yap

[vast shoal]

This has been a persistent pattern since forever

I think some people maybe just go for any channel that seems less active currently

[stray mauve]

Huh ok nvm

[stray mauve]

Holy yap

[near ocean]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[shy imp]

Can anyone teach me a bit of python im a beginner but I use the mimo app for like a week straight so I know most basics

[vapid jay]

is this real rn? this is wrong channel for those questions

[vapid jay]

why did you decide to ask it in this channel and not in the channels on top like #python-discussion #1035199133436354600

[peak halo]

Thank you for trying to keep our channels on-topic. Remember also to be polite when guiding users how to correctly use the server.

[vapid jay]

I'm so so sorry i was thinking about this rn about if it that came up to be rude im actually feeling bad about it but i can't take the words back now

[peak halo]

It's okay, don't worry. Just keep that in mind for next time.

[peak halo]

It's not very likely that anyone will commit to teaching you python in an ongoing relationship. You can use online resources and ask questions in this server when you have them

[shy imp]

Mb

[shy imp]

Im using mimo rn but thanks for the advice

[rancid totem]

I'd love to learn about programming logic and improve my English.

What do you recommend?

[dense tartan]

Hello

I got a problem with a code i found on github, So basicaily i cant run the assets or any other file from github and i'm on mac so i kinda need help any help would be helpful

The link: https://github.com/AliOsamaHassan/Racing-Car-Game

[fallen gyro]

Wrong channel and that isnt even related to python

[tranquil canyon]

Holy yap

[shell cloak]

Im a uni student for computer engineering i know python syntax and cpp, i want to work on real a job project with others who can help me learn industry level code standards, shipping and the whole development cycle. Im effecient at self learning. Anyone knows where to go about

[vital bobcat]

I am a 7th grade student from Russia. I am new to Python and would appreciate any help.

[solid parcel]

I'd start just by building out a couple of projects yourself, trying to follow best practices. Get it documented, have testing in place, follow Pep-8 and maintain consistent formatting, leverage branches rather than deploying everything straight to main... Get it up on GitHub and see if you can get other engineers to review it and give you feedback.

If you can find an experienced engineer to work actively on the project with you (or at least review PRs when you create them) then fantastic, but this is less likely.

Contributing to open source is another option as most mid to large projects already have a lot of tooling to support the SDLC and guidance regarding how to contribute in place. Slightly higher barrier to entry here as it's harder to work with brownfield code rather than building from scratch, but certainly a valuable option.

[vast shoal]

Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/#toc
If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-osiE80TeTskrapNbzXhwoFUiLCjGgY7
I also recommend Harvard’s free online course, CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python: https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50s-introduction-programming-python
This is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser: https://programming-25.mooc.fi/

[shell cloak]

Do you know if there is an organized place to find projects to contribute to rather than hanging around github

[fringe sphinx]

What are you interested in?

[shell cloak]

Cybersecurity or any theoretical stuff like cosmology or AI (which i know is broad as heck)

[keen comet]

Hey I just joined I was wondering what I should do

[shell cloak]

Tbh honest cyber is fine (though its a game of mouse and cat with humans ew) but ive already got basics in it from CTF's...

[fringe sphinx]

Many projects tag their issues as 'good first issues', for example https://github.com/topics/good-first-issue?l=python lists some

[shell cloak]

Ok thanks

[bold warren]

hello there

i havent actually texted a lot on here but i plan to learn dsa, it would be of great help to me if anyone can suggest some helpful resources to learn dsa/ or should i do dsa in c?

[fringe sphinx]

Really depends on where you're at, why you want to learn "DSA", etc. There

are different resources for different backgrounds. Like, for a Uni level course, MIT's 06.006 course (online/free) is great.

[keen comet]

So im new to all of this is there like a specific path I should do

[fringe sphinx]

Ask in #python-discussion plz

[west vine]

Hey guys, I need a favour of you guys. I always mess up in OOPs structure in any programming language. I like coding in python still the main place where I struck is OOPs, could anyone help me how to not mess up code while working on classes and related projects

[peak halo]

Hello, this is the #career-advice channel. Try opening a thread where you ask a more specific question in #1035199133436354600.

[neat agate]

same i am new

[fringe sphinx]

Start with this message: #python-discussion message

[visual flax]

How can I gain professional experience without an internship. Like say I'm going into the power field. How can I avoid graduating feeling like I know nothing?

[peak halo]

what do you mean "the power field"? When you ask for career advice in this channel, it needs to pertain to careers in programming-related fields.

There are other ways you can get experience as a student that aren't an internship. I never did an internship, but I did do formal research and won a grant from the university to do it.

[lusty jungle]

Hello

[near ocean]

I never did internships, no grants, no papers, no research
I just got a normal entry level programming job

It paid like shit but i stuck it out until the next job

[lusty jungle]

How much they pay you?

[balmy mural]

I did the same. No internships, nothing. Started applying a month before graduating and got my normal job that's specifically for graduates

[cobalt terrace]

Salutations, I finally graduated computer science. I was thinking of diverting to project management role, as I realised I feel I am more suitable with this side of the job. I don't have any tech industry experience. Anyone has any advice on this?

[near ocean]

They paid me £25k a year for 5x in office per week in london

[fringe sphinx]

hopefully the 5x could be on the same day 😉

[peak halo]

I imagine you'd need experience working on projects (not as their manager) before you'd be considered for project management.

[lusty jungle]

What currency it is ? I am Indian

And I am a teenager and learning python data analyst and I am very beginner just ask for knowledge purpose

[solid parcel]

Eeshhhh, that's rough for London, what year was this?

[solid parcel]

GBP

[cobalt terrace]

I was a bit burnt out in my final year of computer science this was why I was thinking of moving into a role that is not 100% tech, if that makes sense?

I have worked on projects but not exactly in an industry setting. It was either myself or university projects which consisted of groups.

I am finishing up my coursera certificate for project management.

I was wondering if anyone here has xp in a PM role and how did they reach it.

[near ocean]

2021 💀

[lusty jungle]

I was young in 2021 ,🤧

[solid parcel]

Jesus Christ, that's appalling 😂😆 Hopefully it's at least 2x that now?

[near ocean]

Yea we're at normal people salaries now, it didnt even take that long
10months in i left for 2x

Im not sure i could do this now though
2021/22/23 had incredible inflation numbers

[solid parcel]

Ha, that's similar to myself. I was in a sysadmin role on £36,000 for 9 months, and then jumped to a cloud engineering position on £50,000

[solid parcel]

Tbh I suspect you could. Even in 2021, £25,000 was a T1 helpdesk salary rather than a dev one

[near ocean]

£25k is 1.7k post tax monthly, and with rent and grocery prices rn that gets a lil dicey to budget for

[solid parcel]

Ahhh, I misunderstood. I thought you meant you didn't think you'd be able to jump from £25,000 to £50,000 nowadays. I meant that I felt you still could, given that £25,000 sounded like it would have been underpaying you significantly even in 2021

100% agreed £25,000 would be a struggle nowadays, particularly 5 days in London.... I don't know exactly whereabouts you are, but even just commuting into London costs £20 a day for me.

[near ocean]

Zone 4 gang

[tribal thicket]

Hello, I worked in ML and once I put the positions, I need a second page for skills and education, is it okay to have 2 pages for the CV ?

[woeful vapor]

hey who here also loves shuffling their bytes using python

[vapid jay]

this channel is for career discussion, your question would be much suited for #python-discussion

[woeful vapor]

sorry

i didn’t realise i was in this channel

[true harness]

it depends on country. but I think in many places it's 1 at most

[peak halo]

in the US, the expectation is that you'll fit your most relevant experience on one page.
if you're a young person, and your resume is more than a page, there's probably fluff.

[fathom agate]

Hello guys, little bit different question but anyone knows good sources to learn Webots in Python from basics. Anything is ok youtube, coursera, udemy ? If anyone knows please let me know! thanks

[inland flax]

Do you want to learn Webot?

[vapid violet]

In a couple of sentences, explain why you want...
Not specifically for a job application but a similar application. Does this actually mean 2 sentences or is 9 reasonable as well?

[smoky quest]

how many words per sentence?

In short, it means, feel free to use more than 2 sentences, but keep it sweet and short so you don't have to write a book about it.

So 9 sentences would be reasonable as long as it does not go beyond 1/3 to 1/2 of a page

[vapid violet]

204 words total so ~22

[smoky quest]

Hi and welcome! Do you have a question or topic for #career-advice ?

[bright elbow]

I'm single too

[raven zenith]

Hey hru

[tiny remnant]

I want a resume of someone with minimum 10 years of experience in data analytics field for my clg project,can anyone help me or arrange it please its urgent

Can anyone help me out please

[vapid violet]

why do you need someone elses resume?

[tiny remnant]

For clg project

[smoky quest]

how does that help you for your clg project?

[tiny remnant]

It's required to show that we build project under his guidance

[smoky quest]

how would such resume demonstrate you built a project under his guidance?

[tiny remnant]

Same as cola branding helps to showcase product is genuine and certified

[smoky quest]

sounds like you are missing the genuine thing here though

otherwise you would have the person to guide you build your project

[tiny remnant]

Exactly it's built by us without any mentor but clg requires a name to show that's all nothing much

[smoky quest]

sounds like cheating?

[tiny remnant]

Are you mad or something

[smoky quest]

why would I be mad?

[tiny remnant]

If u got the resume then speak up else mind your own business it's formality by clg ,it's made by students that's all

[smoky quest]

!rule 5

[inner wren]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[smoky quest]

bro don't be seething like that. We just don't help cheating

Though thinking it's just a formality points at missing the point of having someone with experience guiding you and looking at your work

it would also something caught quite easily by your teacher ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[tiny remnant]

F off

[woeful vapor]

please discuss this somewhere else, this channel is strictly for career discussion, please move to off topic, thanks for understanding

how to get job as sr software engineer at byfron technologies

[smoky quest]

you update your resume, prepare for interviews and apply to job ads

[woeful vapor]

i did but they ghosted me what about qualifications

[smoky quest]

beyond that, treat it as a sales pipeline. So look at the hiring pipeline and where you get stuck so you can work on that

[smoky quest]

who is they?

[woeful vapor]

roblox/byfron technologies

[smoky quest]

okay, it happens

the issue is if you get ghosted by 100 companies out of 100 applications

[woeful vapor]

what qualifications you think i need

[smoky quest]

neither you nor I need to think about the qualifications. They are listed on the job ad

[woeful vapor]

i showed them my roblox cheat but they still ghosted me

[smoky quest]

in terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[woeful vapor]

not happening

[smoky quest]

then you are choosing a path of far great resistance and with less opportunities and compensation

[smoky quest]

then you are both unlucky it was not impressive enough to get an interview, but also lucky it was not impressive enough to call the lawyers on you

[rigid venture]

Hi
I'm a first year computer engineering student and wanted some help
In the first semester of university they teach us C and in the second semester they teach us C++

I really want to learn beyond university so my plan for 6 months ahead is quite obvious but I wanted to also check that and get advice from you

also wanted to help me get a better picture about 1 -2 years ahead, what areas can i explore? What skills can i plan to work on through this 1-2 years
and what job positions can i expect (this after 3,4 years)?

currently my plan is to finish the YouTube C course and learn the concepts that i've set
And start learning C++ basics before the first semester
and after the first semester in the 14 days that i have in between the first and second semester and the first few weeks of the second semester
Learn advanced algorithms and Data structures
and try to solve as many problems as i can on websites like leetcode, codeforces, Euler project
With this i think i can get a great foundation and in the second year of university i can participate in ICPC and competitive programming

sorry for my English 🙏

[woeful vapor]

but all my friends work for byfron and they won’t leak any of the internals of hyperion for me so i wanted to do it myself

[smoky quest]

languages are just tools, mean to an end.
What matters is what you do with them.

So look around about what is possible. Go to job boards, or even the channels here to see the topics

[smoky quest]

okay so maybe they don't want you and you should not focus on that company

[smoky quest]

also look on linkedin for people who have been to your school to see what roles they are in

[woeful vapor]

i am the one who discovered the current only working client modification bypass, and everyone stole it and claim they discovered it even though i have evidence i discovered it a month before everyone else did surely i get hired

[smoky quest]

there might also be ethics at play here where a company does not want to deal or hire people who work on clients that bypass their stuff

[woeful vapor]

can i send my resume in dms so you can tell me what’s wrong with it, and they literally hired half of the synapse team who devved the most popular roblox cheat at the time

[smoky quest]

just send an anonymized version here

[woeful vapor]

what does that mean, i’m on phone i can’t

and it had confidential information in it

[smoky quest]

It means you can remove all your personal info.

There is no hurry, there are plenty of competent people here to review your resume whenever you are ready

[woeful vapor]

i have no access to pc dude

and i can’t share it there’s source codes and other stuff i don’t want to be public

[rigid venture]

Thanks bro
I got some ideas

And also a question
do you think understanding low lvl programming languages and having a good algorithm foundation would help?
or nowadays you don't even need to learn these and you can just start with python and do some more practical projects?

I mean should i continue the university path and learn C and C++ or can i have a python learning plan parallel to university?

Learning python basics and then focus more on an area

[gilded moat]

who can help me do something

[smoky quest]

you will still need to make a resume regardless of whether you ave a pc or not.
And no one is asking you to share any source code or private information.

You could look at previously shared resumes for examples

[smoky quest]

it depends on the question

[smoky quest]

Understanding low lvl programming languages and having a good algorithm foundation would help for sure

[gilded moat]

cant you use python to run githun stuff

[smoky quest]

like what?

[smoky quest]

But keep it one step at a time

you have plenty of time

[gilded moat]

the thing im trying to do i dont think your supposed to

[smoky quest]

so instead, you are trying to have someone else take all the risk?

[gilded moat]

no i cant get python

is a nukebot banneble on this server

[smoky quest]

yeah it would

why would you even want that

[gilded moat]

because my friend is a raceist peice of sh1t

[smoky quest]

just cut contact and focus on more fun and rewarding things

[gilded moat]

oh ok

[smoky quest]

not on things that might get you sued and force you to go to jail or give him hundreds of thousands of dollars

[gilded moat]

thats alot of money

[smoky quest]

exactly

[gilded moat]

ok thank you

[rigid venture]

How much
Does it make a significant difference?

[rigid venture]

Wdym?

[smoky quest]

If you want to solve complex problems, it will help you understand better how things work, optimize and reach out to the right level of abstraction

[smoky quest]

about what?

[fathom agate]

Yes

[solid parcel]

Depends what you're looking to target, imo. Having at least a rough mental model of how languages work under the hood can be beneficial (and that's easier with lower level ones as they do less 'magic'), but broadly speaking it's practical capability that gets people hired rather than deep theory.

I'd be inclined to prioritise whatever language is most aligned with the roles you're targeting. In many cases, that's likely to be Python rather than C/C++

[wind tangle]

Hi guys

[stray mauve]

U must be from India anyway what help is that

[jaunty steppe]

!ban 1292271099366871111 7d You have been warned before, if you plan to come back after this make sure to read our code of conduct

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @stray mauve until <t:1765643383:f> (7 days).

[hollow gulch]

hii

[high coral]

does python support static fields or enums? (coming from C++/C#)

[peak halo]

this is the career discussion channel; try #python-discussion

[high coral]

oh - whoops

[ornate matrix]

is learning python first then C a good start for computer science?

[hearty nebula]

Guys got any good algorithms books PDF

[vast shoal]

I think learning programming and the various related concepts and subjects is a good start for CS. It doesn't need to be specifically Python and C. It shouldn't only be Python and C. Python is a good choice for a first language, though.

[viral adder]

Need a help, please. I want to find a job in 1.5 year. I have a strict target. I'm interested in ai.

Want to ask about dif branches in ai like what should I learn , I see there are lots of directions, and which one I should choose? I think I want create dif AI.

[ornate matrix]

yeah I just want to learn python to get an internship and understanding of programming in general also C is gonna be needed for when I transfer to uni idk how much C would help me job wise

[vast shoal]

I think a deep understanding of general programming principles and fundamentals will help you more than any one language, jobwise.

[wide rock]

diff branches? I would recommend you to start with statistics, and then classic ML (regression, decision trees, SVM, NN, classification model in general, etc)

[wet nexus]

Take a look at these courses and see if its the right fit for you

https://www.coursera.org/collections/machine-learning
https://karpathy.ai/zero-to-hero.html

[sick tinsel]

Is ML and cyber security a real combination and does it has jobs?

[peak halo]

I work for a research company; there are people in my division whose jobs are about identifying new kinds of vulnerabilities that have to do with AI. (Not in our software, but in general.)

This isn't a plug for my company. This just is to say that AI-specific threats are a real thing.

[shell cloak]

Theres AI driven detection systems and attacks too

[smoky quest]

ML is a tool. So can you think about ways in which you can induce new information that could be applied to the domain of cyber security?
Definitely! Think source code, network data, event data, compliance or anything

[opal parcel]

I am a Full Stack Engineer based in Asia. I am currently exploring the way to collaborate with Developers based in US/Australia/Canada/Europe which would lead to mutual profit. What to attract you is that you can get competitive benefit without any risk and much burden, which comes from your locational advantage. You just should be based in US, Canada, Australia, Europe.
If you have interest in my suggestion, feel free to DM me.

[grave zealot]

it offers both. it even has meteorology specifically

[vapid jay]

do not drop psychology if you do not want to

do not listen to engineers, they do not know

[static goblet]

hello I am new to this sever and I would like to discuss that I have opted to make my career in ai/ml engineering but I am confused on where to start my learning journey

[ornate matrix]

So for that is python a good start?

[vast shoal]

Python is a good language to start learning programming with, yes.

[ornate matrix]

Appreciate you

[high talon]

To the Python experts in here, 1) can you recommend me some basic questions during the initial interview process to filter out non-coders? I have a couple from GPT. Need some human ones too. lol

Kindly reply to my message. That way I can track the responses. THanks in advance.

2. Also recommend some examples to debug a simple piece of bad code? if there's already a channel, please point me in the right direction.

[balmy spade]

Have them explain a problem they solved, why they chose the solution they used, and what they would do differently given another go at it. Keep the conversation low-level, in the weeds of implementation.

[high talon]

To give you a quick background - Im a business owner and I read the rules that one cannot hire people in here. Im looking to hire Python programmers (outside of this discord obviously) and conducting interviews atm. So I need specific questions.

I learnt Python using Gpt. But obviously just a beginner.

[balmy spade]

Okay. I just offered you a specific question. It does presume you have enough skill to hold a technical conversation. If that's not your strength, hire an interviewer.

[wise yacht]

Hi everyone, any ideas what's the most common live coding interview questions for junior python/django developers?

[high talon]

Thanks for the input.

[vast shoal]

There's no way to do this if you yourself don't have a solid understanding of programming. I can point you to channels suitable for learning programming with Python, but we're talking about studying programming from scratch here, not some quick script you can learn in an afternoon. I agree with @balmy spade, if you don't have a technical background and you don't have the time or interest in acquiring one, your best bet is to contract someone to do the recruitment for you.

[fierce sequoia]

Hey… are you pee? Because urine my heart 😭❤️
(Okay now that I’ve got your attention )

Hi everyone,
I hope you're all doing well. I wanted to ask for some guidance because I’m feeling a bit anxious about my learning path in coding.

I’m a beginner in Python (2nd year of college). I’ve completed the basic concepts, and right now I’m working on a YouTube chat moderation/filter project. It basically filters out toxic or spam messages, labels each chat as pass/fail, and displays only the passed messages on the output screen. But I’m not sure if I’m moving in the right direction. The project feels useful, but I also worry it might be too simple since it can be built with a few AI prompts.

I’d be really grateful if you could help me with a few questions:

Is working on this project a good decision for my current skill level?

How should I structure or build this project properly so that I don’t miss out on important learning?

Should I take a course to strengthen my fundamentals?

Is it necessary to start learning DSA now? (I currently know zero DSA.)

Any suggestions on how to plan my long-term coding journey would be really helpful.

Should I write all the code by myself, or is it okay to rely a bit on AI?

Thank you so much for your time and guidance. I truly appreciate it.

[kindred oyster]

Should I take a course to strengthen my fundamentals?

taking a course doesnt strenghthen fundamentals , writing code does

[ocean jolt]

the introduction is really weird and there is no need to call for attention

Is working on this project a good decision for my current skill level?
only you can answer this yourself. do you feel overwhelmed by the project? are you learning from it? is it fun?

How should I structure or build this project properly so that I don’t miss out on important learning?
why do you think that there is a universal "important learning" thats the same for everyone, or that we can know what you consider important?
to me, the core things in the project seem to be: interacting with youtube's chat API somehow, and filtering toxic/spam messages
so those are the things that would be important to learn about, that you should definitely write yourself
regarding structure: checking whether a message is toxic/spammy should definitely be separate from the youtube specific code.
you could then reuse that for other platforms aswell.

Is it necessary to start learning DSA now? (I currently know zero DSA.)
nothing is necessary for a hobby, and i doubt you know "zero DSA" if you are writing code - surely you can decide what structures to use for your program and you do that based on some thought process, you could just learn more about it and find some more niche things
in my experience grinding DSA more than working on real projects often burns people out, so you can just do it bit by bit

Should I write all the code by myself, or is it okay to rely a bit on AI?
thats for you to decide. do you feel like you can learn while using AI to program, or you just prompt it and copypaste?
i myself use AI to find relevant concepts to solving a problem
if you argue that "but its good for boilerplate" - writing a couple dozens lines of simple code shouldn't be a problem, but if you want to - sure, use it

Any suggestions on how to plan my long-term coding journey would be really helpful.
as long as you continue doing what you're doing now: building projects, learning about new things - good

[neon juniper]

[vapid jay]

Hello everyone I am an engineer student
Started python to learn new
Is there any YouTube tutorials for beginners or any text resources.

[keen epoch]

Yhaa (brocode) this yt channel help from scratch

[vast shoal]

Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/#toc
If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-osiE80TeTskrapNbzXhwoFUiLCjGgY7
I also recommend Harvard’s free online course, CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python: https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50s-introduction-programming-python
This is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser: https://programming-25.mooc.fi/

[vapid jay]

Tq

[nocturne folio]

How long you guys think it takes to learn python good and apply for jobs

[peak halo]

just claiming to "know python" isn't enough. what education or training do you have?

[waxen gull]

What specific job? Make projects on that

[karmic radish]

Can anyone help me

[amber hollow]

just so that be able to general thing (not anything specific) like automating things, or creating mini apps etc

[undone phoenix]

Just ask your question

[karmic radish]

What can i do for it

İts simple school project if u want i can send all of code

[undone phoenix]

This is the wrong chat for this .

use #1035199133436354600

[crisp stream]

your message has been deleted due to being off-topic
see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[steep kettle]

For computer vision ,what's the best roadmap and also some free resources ?

[cunning grotto]

YYes

[peak halo]

!warn 1251917077455835308 Don't post spam in our server (posted two messages of asdf-style spam)

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @vital lotus.

[peak halo]

!kick 1251917077455835308 it seems like you're just here to troll. if you want to re-join, read the rules first.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied kick to @vital lotus.

[manic osprey]

ok

[verbal geode]

AI/ML Engineer with a multi-disciplinary background spanning LLM-based chatbots, real-time voice agents, lip-sync/vision models, RAG systems, and price prediction models. Experienced with Hugging Face, Django/React full-stack development, WebRTC, Whisper STT, ElevenLabs TTS, OpenCV, PyTorch, LangChain, and XGBoost. Adept at building automation and integration workflows using n8n, Make.com, Zapier, and Twilio. Combines practical engineering with applied research to deliver robust, user-focused AI applications.

[peak halo]

You can't ask for jobs here, but you can ask for help looking for jobs.

[timber cove]

so I want to get a job in cybersecurity what are some things i need to be able to do to get into that kind of job

[robust hamlet]

Hi guys

How important is python for data science, are there specific things in python that i need to know for data science?

[peak halo]

Python is pretty much the only programming language that matters for data science (R was designed for data science, but anything you can do with R, you can do in Python). Jobs in data science are very degree-requiring, even more so than software development; is that something you're working on?

[robust hamlet]

Im on my gap year with literally no guarantee of going to uni for the next 3 to 4 years

[robust hamlet]

People asked me to change the field if im not getting a degree, but im genuinely interested in this field

[peak halo]

if you don't pursue a degree in something relevant to data science, such as computer science or statistics, your chances of success are so close to zero that it's a financial imperative that you pursue something else.

[robust hamlet]

Isnt computer science the only field that values skills more than degrees?

[robust hamlet]

I might rry getting an online degree through open university, do u know about it?

[peak halo]

You have probably been misinformed. While the skills are the things that actually matter, if you don't already have work experience, it is very exceptionally challenging to convince potential employers that they should even interview you, unless you have a degree.

[peak halo]

I don't, but in-person universities have a lot more opportunity for networking, which in many ways is more valuable than the actual coursework.

[wooden cypress]

Guys who know to code with python

[robust hamlet]

Hmm, ill be eligible to apply for degree apprenticeships as entry level data analyst next October in the uk, ig working on projects n stuff might get me that and then i could move up the ladder.

[wooden cypress]

Who know to code with python guys

[robust hamlet]

Youre right, thats why im having second thoughts

[peak halo]

a lot of people. you should probably ask your actual question in #python-discussion

[robust hamlet]

Like expert level? Not me unfortunately

[wooden cypress]

I dont know how to make apps and code there i

So i need a teacher. Who got roblox cheats?

[near ocean]

This is the career discussion channel

[wooden cypress]

Whooo playyys 99 nigths in the forest

[peak halo]

@wooden cypress please follow the instruction I gave you. please also stick to channel topics.

[wooden cypress]

Bruh

[quiet hemlock]

You mean who knows how to make roblox cheats in python?

[solid parcel]

Given you're mentioning OU, are you in the UK?

Ah, I just saw the double decker in your pfp, so I'm assuming that is the case 😁

[solid parcel]

Andddd if I'd scrolled a bit further I'd have outright seen you mentioning being in the UK. I would massively, massively recommend apprenticeships. Comp sci currently has the highest unemployment rate of any degree in the UK. It's rough out there for juniors and grads. The hardest thing is getting your foot in the door and starting to build experience. Apprenticeships get you over that hurdle, and let you earn at the same time. It's exactly how I got my foot in the door and it was a fantastic decision.

I also know a guy who got his start working as an apprentice for TFL and is now at Hudson River on £200,000 a year, and another who is at Citibank on £130,000 (both mid to late 20s). Not saying those are the norms, but they're good examples of apprentices managing to push into very competitive roles without a degree. Degrees are most useful for giving you a clear pathway to learn, letting you build networks, and making it easier to land that first role or two, but far from a necessity.

[near ocean]

Degree apprenticeships are super competitive

[solid parcel]

Yeah I'm not denying that. Still a great option if you can get them. They don't even have to be a degree apprenticeship- both myself and the guy at HRT got into the industry via a level 3 apprenticeship initially

[near ocean]

Aren't you missing out on the majority of jobs that require a degree though?

[solid parcel]

It's rare for tech roles to actually require one in the UK. Most of the time they say 'or equivalent experience'. Hence those guys landing great roles, AWS and Jump Trading reaching out to me and so on

When I see roles requiring one in tech, it's generally something relating to research or similar.

[waxen gull]

Would i be able to get into ds/ml with a degree in math and self taught programming aspect?

[fast fossil]

Is maths necessary for python?

[solid parcel]

Not for Python as a language, though potentially necessary depending on what kind of specialism you're looking to dive into. That's more a facet of your intent rather than something inherent to the language itself, though.

[dawn elk]

My teacher asked us to create a quadratic equation solver using Python. I need help

[dawn elk]

Show me python code

[dull belfry]

how to deal with backlogs

[dull belfry]

just substitute the formula

[dull belfry]

how to deal with university... should i quit and look for a job without a degree
i am stuck with it for 3-4 years. feels like am in a trap

[summer roost]

You should finish university before applying for jobs. The job prospects are much better for someone with a university degree than for someone without

[dull belfry]

yea i totally understand.

in my case, i joined university originally in 2021-22. but due to some health problems i took a year long break during the second semester.
currently i rejoined with the junior 2023 batch.

i got like 6 back papers(failed papers/not attended) from the first year which i didn't attend the exams due to health problems and the break.

my current batch would be graduating in like 2027.
And am currently in a condition where i feel the number of back papers would increase (i did bad in last semester exams)

so when i look for a job after all of this (after clearing all the back papers). i am afraid the employer will notice my degree duration from 2021-2027(2023-2027 is my current batch original duration')

[summer roost]

If the employer asks, mentioning that you had some health problems is likely to satisfy their curiosity. They're unlikely to pry into that, and it explains why you took longer than most

[trim crypt]

you can also think that the employer could see that even though you struggled, you pushed through to the end and didn't drop out. Thus, indicating that you are willing to see commitment through rather than give up half way. But tbh, the employer may not see it that way and would just ask what you've done in your final project/dissertation/assignment, not about how long it took you.

[trim crypt]

my bottomline is, don't worry about the job. Focus on getting that degree first. Getting the job after that should be relatively easier

[dull belfry]

yeah i hope so. i think i wont regret choosing offline degree over oniline one

because i had the chance for going for an online degree program which i didn't (during the medical break)

[azure heart]

@tall aspen This server is not a job board. I've removed your messages

[robust hamlet]

Hi 🤧🤧, thank you soo much for your advice , im seriously considering having projects under my belt and getting a degree apprenticeships, that seems like the best option for me. Theres a slight problem tho, i eff’d up my a levels, got a C AND D. In CS and maths😭. No company’s gonna accept me with it

[solid parcel]

Yeah that likely does scupper your chances at a degree apprenticeship. What went wrong at A-level? A level 3 apprenticeship may still be on the table, I got onto mine with just a B and C at A level. Not even in anything related to tech, mine were philosophy and biology 😆

[robust hamlet]

I had my lifes biggest tragedy in those times , i was basically crashed , had some family bereavement too. Soo yeah, did u get an apprenticeship in CS with philosophy and biology.??? 😭 that gives me hope. Im thinking of resitting, but the only problem is im working full time and i cant stop working 🤧🤧

[solid parcel]

Yeah, I did. Started back in September 2020.

@robust hamlet Here's a message I sent previously about what my journey has looked like 🙂

What are you doing for work at the moment?

[robust hamlet]

🥹🥹woah…

[robust hamlet]

Ahm , im working at mcdonalds

[solid parcel]

I'll caveat it by saying I was fortunate in terms of timing, COVID was a boon to the industry. You could land a position with significantly less competence than you'd need nowadays because organisations were scrambling for any talent they could get their hands on.

I was 20 before I even started the apprenticeship though, so I suspect you're a touch younger still? Tons of time to find a good path 🙂

[robust hamlet]

I just got 19 a week ago, but yeah i do have time in which if i get in the industry would be good , else idk i already have mcdonalds😶 , just that my heart would be shredded

Ig i should retake a levels as i dont want it to become the reason for me wasting another year, or not getting into the industry.

[solid parcel]

This is likely the clearest cut route, I could see that making sense. Apprenticeships of any sort in tech, be they degree level or otherwise, are great imo but they can be extremely competitive. I believe retaking your A-levels is likely a much consistent way of improving your employability.

[vapid jay]

Hey guys, I'm very ambitious in this field and looking to connect with like minded peers to exchange knowledge, experience and resources, lets grow and build together!

[tired silo]

i neeed help im making a roblox sales bot and ive constantly been hitting this error since day 1

discord.errors.LoginFailure: Improper token has been passed.
ive made new bots and tried it 1000 times

[fringe sphinx]

Wrong channel, ask in #python-discussion or open a help thread #❓｜how-to-get-help

[still cove]

hi Guys.... quick query from the Python Pros ... I am old in IT but new to Python (never really had a direct job related to coding) but now thinking to invest some time in python scripting... how to start and will it be a good platform to raise this query ?

[smoky quest]

are you asking in terms of career? If yes, then that's the right place.
If no, then #python-discussion would be a better spot.

Either way https://automatetheboringstuff.com/ is a good resource to learn

[still cove]

thanks ... will check the link..
I am already into IT... not coding but into normal non coding doing some cyber sec related stuff. yes in terms of career only asking

[smoky quest]

In terms of coding and IT, python can be super useful for automating tasks and systems

[summer meteor]

hey did anyone have contributed to gsoc before?

[vernal flame]

hi guys, any suggestions of any projects/games which r good as practice for beginners? i already did an simple calculator, guess th number with 3 difficilties and rock paper scissors game and u go against the computer

[golden sapphire]

hello

[nova wasp]

Hello

[visual jay]

Hi guys just started my degree currently in 1 semester doing software engineering i want you your guys help like I just dont want to waste my 4 years i want to build a core skill set one of the best programming skills even though I am just starting out i want to start know so guide me as much as you can I will be really thankful to all of you

[errant kettle]

exactly the same i want to

u from pakistan?

[visual jay]

Yupp

[errant kettle]

so anything u figured out yet
bhai abhi kr lo 4 saal bad bhi kuch nahi pata chaley ga
i am in 3rd sem nothing i could know or build
pkistani system ah

[visual jay]

Bro us moment

[peak halo]

remember to only use English

[errant kettle]

yeh yeh sorry
as you saw his message
my concern is the same
can you have chat with us please anything u could guide about
the same concern is mine

[peak halo]

I'm not from South Asia, so I don't think I can advise you on what to do.

[errant kettle]

but if you share the same field, you could tell us what's in there to learn about
market is all over the same

[sand hawk]

i'd love if you guys could tell me what you see being important to master this year, how you see things going in the coming years (where you think need to evolve to grow or be more hireable). asking for a friend

[fringe sphinx]

Honestly, this is too general for anyone to answer. There's a limitless set of possible answers.

[sand hawk]

@fringe sphinx say for webdev ? is that a small enough field ?

[fringe sphinx]

For web dev, react is seemingly everywhere, so that'd be high on my web dev 'must learn' list

[sand hawk]

ok interesting. i thought it was being seen as a problematic lib/culture nowadays

[vast shoal]

Java's commonly seen as problematic and yet it's used everywhere

[sand hawk]

fair point (that said, java stopped being conservative and has improved expressiveness and memory use)

[vast shoal]

Yes. I haven't really had many bad experiences with React either, personally.

I'm not primarily a frontend dev, but I work with it quite frequently.

[mental kraken]

i am frontend engineer

[sand hawk]

@mental kraken what lib do you use most ? react ? or maybe multiple ones ?

[mystic surge]

is it even worth it to get into cyber security at this point with the way AI is moving?

[mental kraken]

react vite and nextjs

[open ivy]

If someone is unfairly mad at you because of how his boss treated them (taking it out on you) how do you properly call out the bosses behavior and deflect anger away from you?

[smoky quest]

"how am I involved in this?"

You can also sprinkle a "How they choose to react is their choice. They are in control of their own actions"

[peak halo]

Is this in the US?

Assuming you're in the US (and this is probably true elsewhere), if you have straight As except for one C in calc 3, I would think you'd have an easy time getting in.

That being said, the material that's covered in calc 3 is probably the most important math to understand for neural networks, so you should still aim to learn it well enough after the fact that you could get an A if you took it today

And honestly, you might consider retaking it. You do not want to be caught flat footed in a graduate neural networks course.

[pseudo rock]

Just join fencing 🤺 and then volunteer for cancer children and ur chilling

And then glaze all ur profs and stay office hours and they will be bias for u

[solid parcel]

Yes, cyber isn't going anywhere. In fact, the rapid proliferation of AI has ushered in a whole bunch of novel attack vectors. Deployment has been massively outpacing security assurance. There's a hugeee amount of work going on in cyber to catch up.

Source: Been working in tech for 5 years, including in highly regulated environments, and am currently starting my dissertation for a Cybersecurity Master's, so I'm neck deep in all of this stuff currently.

[sand hawk]

thanks, have you ever extended vite ? to adjust the build process or change the HMR system ?

[mystic surge]

do you have any advice on how to get started for someone who has no experience in the field at all? (I haven't even started learning code yet, I'll probably start tonight)

[solid parcel]

Start with the basics of networking, coding and Linux. Dig deep enough and basically everything comes down to those! They're the foundation.

https://learntocloud.guide/ I like this guide. It'll walk you through a lot of basics, and get you to a point where you've built and deployed a three tier app to the cloud. Past that, I'd recommend following the fun. Dig deeper into what you're finding interests and excites you...

That could be app development, observability, security, DevOps... Having a three tier app in place gives you a really good foundation to build on. There are tons of ways you could extend it.

In terms of security, perhaps you'd want to think about implementing authentication. How can you make sure your database is secure? Is there a way you could detect if someone is trying to brute force their way into an account? Even better, is there something you could proactively have in place to slow them down (hint: rate limiting)? And so on...

I'm also a massive fan of CS50 and CS50 Python to help you learn some fundamentals, so I'd recommend taking a look at those 🙂

[mystic surge]

Thank you so much!

In terms of education - does that link have good websites/YouTube videos and what not to learn how to do all of this stuff? If not where would you recommend me to go? What are the best websites/videos/articles

[solid parcel]

It certainly recommends some resources, yup. The CS50 and CS50 Python courses I recommended will honestly cover a fair bit of the absolute fundamentals. The Linux foundation also have a ton of free resources, and there's also this:

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[mystic surge]

thank you thank you, I really appreciate all the help

[ashen stag]

i want to study computer science cuz ive a passion for it but i suck at math 😭🙏 how do i trick myself into liking math

[vapid violet]

Think about the ways that you can use the math outside of just solving the problem

[vast shoal]

Neither job postings nor advertising is allowed in this server. Doesn't matter if it's indirect or not.

!rule 6 9

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[solid parcel]

I find it much easier to learn if I can apply the concepts towards something tangible. As an example... To build a super basic neural network, for the most part you just need to understand some simple calculus.

https://youtu.be/VMj-3S1tku0?si=Y6qH0RdyiZLxlvYQ

Being able to actually build something with the knowledge you're working to learn can be far more gratifying than just reading from a textbook, not to mention it's much better for retention and building genuine comprehension.

[ashen stag]

could u explain more?

english is my 3rd language so ion rlly fully understand what u mean

[solid parcel]

I'd recommend sticking my message into chat-GPT and asking it to translate it into your first language 🙂 Likely easier that way

[ashen stag]

okay

[smoky quest]

Practice the math, look at how it's used and make projects related to it, even if it is just playing with data and graphing results

[ashen stag]

alr

[glad tundra]

I LOVE PYTHON

[thick dust]

Ah, sorry. I thought this channel would be a place where I could post this sort of thing. I will remove it.

[karmic cliff]

i need make auction in tiktok live who can help me do this i cant do this its very hard

[lusty horizon]

nice

[maiden geyser]

Hey, I finally built a different architecture from Transformer. It works. All I need to do is add more data. And it's important to clarify that with small data, training takes literally no time.

[mental kraken]

Hi @maiden geyser do you have any project?
I can help you

[trim crypt]

@wary laurel its not about how much Python you know. Its about how you can solve problems and deliver solutions. You can demonstrate this by building something and putting it in your portfolio/resume.

[ashen stag]

HOW DO I BECOME BETTER AT MATH

[solid parcel]

A) Wrong chat
B) I had a look at your past messages. Machine learning is a very cool area, but realistically you're going to get nowhere trying to vibe code your way to a revolutionary new architecture. You mention you don't know how to code; it seems exceptionally likely that whatever you've created either does not actually work (AI is notorious for just hard coding answers), or is merely a regurgitation of something simple. Would you actually be able to recognise if that were the case?
C) As a heads up, adding more data alone does not necessarily improve model quality and can at points (counterintuitively) lead to quality degrading.

[ashen stag]

how did yall become better at math?

IM SO COOKED IM SO COOKED IM SO COOKED

ILL BE SO SAD IF I FAIL MATH CUZ IVE A VERY BIG INTEREST FOR COMPUTER SCIENCE

IT IS ALMOST THE ONLY MAJOR I LIKE

[solemn kayak]

deep breaths and chill. what works for some might not work for others, but a good start is simply reading the books you've been given and for me personally i love to practice with ai. i give it the pages im working with and make it quiz me, if i get something wrong i make it explain to me what is wrong and why and then i learn from there. just take it easy and try your best :)

[ashen stag]

could u give me more ideas?

[solemn kayak]

theres so many different ways of learning, you can also switch to youtube instead of the book, and simply search for the subjects you find difficult and practice that way. finding math hard is not abnormal, math is hard, and the stuff youre finding hard right now we all found hard at some point, its just about getting over that difficult path

[ashen stag]

thanks

also how do i learn to study faster? cuz if i study slow ill end up wasting time n not learn that much

[solemn kayak]

dont stress over it, you wont learn anything if youre stressed out of your mind. just chill and work through it. dont burn yourself out. if everything fails im sure you can always try again or redo a year or something. its not the end of the world or your life. theres always another way to the goal

you got this man, good luck :)

[ashen stag]

im not a man but tysm for helping me 😭🙏

u gave me alot of ideas

[solemn kayak]

it wasnt meant as a gender thing, more of an expression. thats nice to hear!

[ashen stag]

i also struggle w this

[solemn kayak]

theres different ways of studying, you might be deeply intergrating what you learn into your brain. whereas the people you see learn things "fast" might just be memorizing the stuff and never truly understand it

but id honestly search about it, theres definently techniques that make you comprehend things faster, but honestly, focus more on learning than speed

[ashen stag]

TYSM FOR HELPING 😭🙏

u made me feel more confident abt studyin math

[drifting thicket]

HI

[gleaming kettle]

Hi 🙋‍♂️

[sand hawk]

@ashen stag I leveraged chatgpt to make some progress at math. telling him to be more like a critic of my thoughts and giving me very simple hints when i'm stuck. also I often ask it about ambiguous understanding about meaning behind abstractions (set theory, abstract algebra). for instance i didn't really grasp the difference between binary relations and set-comprehension. (and chatgpt can even tell you the story about why and when some notation came up).

[ashen stag]

tysm

[amber hollow]

what is up chat?

[wary laurel]

can you give suggestions about what i should build ?

[trim crypt]

!kindling has lots of ideas.

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[vapid violet]

You should build something that you think would be cool. And it is good if you can learn a new technology or library as you make the project

[trim crypt]

At the same time, consider thinking about current problems you face on day to day. Maybe thats something you can build towards

[ashen stag]

how do i trick my brain into liking math

[wary laurel]

i dont find the tasks on there interesting

[wary laurel]

i dont find things coool lol maybe i am just not aware

[trim crypt]

outside of programming, what are your interests/hobbies?

[vapid violet]

For example, I made a script that will sync the assignments posted on my schools website (Canvas) to my ToDo app (Todoist)

[vast shoal]

Nice!

Automate the boring stuff!

[wary laurel]

used to be sports now its reading lol

[vast shoal]

How do you decide what to read?

[wary laurel]

nice.. I think I will do Automate the boring stuff, im on debugging and logging. i finished it but needs practise

[wary laurel]

reviews and recommendations lol

[trim crypt]

maybe you can automate that

[wary laurel]

tbh i need to find a job or internship that gives me tasks - i'm not the type of person who does IT tasks without being told

[vast shoal]

Maybe you can do some kind of project where you pull reviews from somewhere and sort and filter them in some way that's helpful to you

Like, based on genres you like and the kinds of criteria you usually use when you decide whether something is worth reading or not

[wary laurel]

maybe that will be good... I'd love to create a product that searches reddit subreddits for recommendations and peoples best desires

[vast shoal]

That seems totally doable

Reddit's API is apparently free for non-commercial small-scale use

Which this would be

[wary laurel]

that would be good

I could learn about API's then

@vast shoal other than ABS do you recommend any other courses ?

[vast shoal]

This is my usual dump for Python fundamentals:

Automate the Boring Stuff is a really good book for complete beginners and it's free to read online: https://automatetheboringstuff.com/#toc
If you prefer to watch video tutorials Corey Schafer's playlist is also really good: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL-osiE80TeTskrapNbzXhwoFUiLCjGgY7
I also recommend Harvard’s free online course, CS50P: Introduction to Programming with Python: https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50s-introduction-programming-python
This is an alternative online course with lots of integrated practice problems you can do directly in the browser: https://programming-25.mooc.fi/

They're all good and they all cover the basics. For information about more specific/advanced topics, realpython.com has good articles on every topic under the sun. So whenever you decide to look into something, check if they have an article on it.

[wary laurel]

I did MOOC fi, didnt really develop

[vast shoal]

That one's probably better if you don't already know the basics

If you feel comfortable with the fundamentals you should probably just do projects and study more specific subtopics as they come up and become relevant

Engaging in the discussions on this server is also a good way to become exposed to new concepts

[vestal solstice]

Heyy All
I'm a python Backend software engineer looking to transition to data science field.
Though I'm at square 0 for that

So can anyone please tell me what does a Data Scientist do and what does a Data Analyst do ?

[glad tundra]

can someone give me a /say pydroid code

[sleek cairn]

hlo everyone
I am a 2nd-year engineering student. Can anyone tell me how I can earn money?
I have skills in Python, I know how to build AI agents using CrewAI, I am currently learning DSA in C++, and I know all the basic stuff related to data science. I also have a little knowledge of game development—I do it just for fun.

[peak halo]

have you applied for internships? that's the main way and which will best serve you in getting full-time jobs.

[quiet pond]

I may want to ask a question and I know it's maybe stupid but Very curious

I kinda started learning c++ like 3 days ago
Finished 25% of a 6h tutorial
I am super knew programming so I kinda not know like nothing

I started learning because we learned in school c++ and was like idk interesting

After that some people told me to start with python or if I want to make a career to do web development because it's more ez and can work remote

But I am not sure what is true and false NGL I wanted to ask some people that know this more so I chose maybe this server

Sorry if stupid question or if my English is bad I may have sayd something wrong

[peak halo]

what country are you in and what education/training do you have?

In general, web development has a lower barrier to entry than other varieties of development, but the market still isn't great. You also very likely would also need to know Javascript to write frontend code.

[quiet pond]

Romania
Education high school
Info / math
But I be real the info we did so far was 1h of c++ I literally watched a 20 of a tutorial and it was our entire class so far

Sorry if not much

Sorry for emoji I am on phone and it randomly happened

@peak halo

[sleek cairn]

@peak halo I’ve been searching for internships online, but most of them require payment, which doesn’t seem genuine.

[peak halo]

if you have to pay to do an internship, it's a scam.

[peak halo]

I don't know how people in Romania start careers in software. I assume it's slightly different than in Western Europe.

[sleek cairn]

@peak halo That’s why I never trusted them. I also thought it was a scam.

@peak halo I want to build something on my own and launch it, but I don’t know how to start.

[quiet pond]

True but wanted to ask should I continue c++ or switch to python?

[peak halo]

if you don't really know what you want to do, and you've already started C++, I would stick with that until you feel generally comfortable with the language.

[quiet pond]

@peak halo very knew to it watched half of a tutorial so far bfw thx

[copper wasp]

Anyone wanna help? Dms please

[peak halo]

with what? you should always ask a complete question that someone can immediately start answering.
for this channel, it needs to be about careers. Otherwise, see id:browse.

[visual flax]

Is chinese valuable to learn as a software engineer?

[fringe sphinx]

Learning anything is valuable.

[near ocean]

why would you learn chinese though? are you looking for jobs in china?

[trim crypt]

I asked ChatGPT on what is the most useless skill to learn and it said "Fax Machine operation". 💀

[fringe sphinx]

My first job was -almost- working for a 'fax over IP' company

[summer meteor]

Hey umm i want to land a researcher role in the field of ai can anyone help me with that?

[trim crypt]

is that company still running?

[fringe sphinx]

I hope not

[humble trail]

do you guys know any fun python youtubers?

[still condor]

@thorny needle Please read our rules and the description of this channel. We do not allow looking for employees or employers on this server.

@wild finch same for you

[fathom shale]

I have a question

Is there a program or website that allows me to run Python on my phone?

[near ocean]

Yes, you should ask in #python-discussion

[wary laurel]

has anyone ever done:

100 Days of Code™: The Complete Python Pro Bootcamp

and got a job after that ?

[green minnow]

life is over already. i fucked up the bullet

hope they don't mind about this

im stressing out

[peak halo]

if you're the best applicant for the job, they're not going to care about that.

[fringe sphinx]

I once got a resume where the rendering was so wacky that it ended up in something like 80 point font... with the persons last name just repeated for 10 pages.

We laughed about it, and still hired him.

[rigid hedge]

Who are form india.

[solid parcel]

The worst resume I've seen was 16,000 words long... Absolutely nuts

[green minnow]

Lmao

[balmy mural]

My visa has been approved. Appointment to pick it up in early February (unfortunately the earliest date available). But then I will have about a month of time as soon as I have my visa sticker to apply for jobs before flying over. Not looking forward to trying to land a new job in this market, in a new country where I don't speak the language fluently yet, but it is what it is

[fringe sphinx]

Where to?

[balmy mural]

The Netherlands

Luckily there's a lot of English jobs there, but it's still a negative that I'm not fluent in Dutch

[fringe sphinx]

Well, duckdb is my favorite dutch tech company... check them out.

https://duckdblabs.com/

[balmy mural]

Unfortunately Amsterdam based, so they won't be one of my first companies. But I'll definitely apply if I can't find anything and expand my search to Amsterdam if there's a role that I'd fit into

[wild finch]

I’m a full-stack and blockchain developer with experience in designing, building, and scaling modern web applications. My work typically involves React/Next.js, Node.js, TypeScript, and cloud-based architectures, along with hands-on experience in smart contracts (Solidity, Rust), Web3 integrations, and decentralized systems.

[peak halo]

Hello @wild finch, remember that you can't ask for jobs here.

[peak halo]

@gaunt atlas don't drop audio here

[peak halo]

!clban @opal parcel upwork scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @opal parcel permanently.

[urban bane]

How much time would one need in order to learn the entirety of Python?

[peak halo]

Years and years.
You don't have to

[fleet iris]

hi everyone, in Software development i feel confident and can understand how things work if someone explained me. So i am pretty good with theory
but i am lacking practical expertise. Whenever i have to do something even the simplest of things like reading and understanding how a project works
i usually back off and make use of LLMs.
Although i understand what the LLM is saying. it feels like i am doing this the wrong way.
Because it keeps on creating a layer of illusion or hallucination that tricks me into believing that i know something.

HELP ME

When reading the solution. it makes perfect sense. What am struggling is to SOLVE THE PROBLEM myself

[subtle dust]

That's like asking how much time to boil the ocean. Once you learn all of python, then you get to learn about python bindings for other languages, and how to accelerate things python does slowly. You will never master everything, since there are thousands of useful libraries doing things you might have never imagined.

[regal axle]

-# I’m going to bed. So if you respond to me, don’t expect a response back for a long time.

There are a few things to know. What you are going through is pretty normal. Pre and post LLM. It takes more experience to be able to solve problems on your own. You will need to spend more time solving other problems on your own. Making and creating things. And over time, you will have a better layer of experience to tackle the harder problems and concepts.
But you need to work on programming your own things. And like you said, the LLM is creating a layer between your understanding and the problem itself. Try not to overly rely on it (and even try to not use it). Doing so will slow down the rate of improvement. But can sometimes make it easier to feel like you are progressing.

[fleet iris]

Yes i should stop. The problem is that i get overwhelmed with the problem itself which pushes me to take the easier path.

Would it be worth if i tried to replicate the smaller version of the problem in other envronment. For example yesterday i was looking at some github repo that uses websockets in the form of django channels.

I think before even trying to do something or to understand the repo or project. I may need to dedicate sometime to create a test project to try out websockets and django channels myself.
Instead of pasting the repo code into gpt and trying to understand it.

[true harness]

yes, that is a great idea. programming well is just being able to break problems down into the right size

When reading the solution. it makes perfect sense. What am struggling is to SOLVE THE PROBLEM myself

this is a classic trap. you really just need to practice more, give yourself more time to solve the problem

[fleet iris]

yes, i will try my best not to use AI. its hard to resist the easier path 😭

Does this mean not using AI at all. how much do you all make use of AI while learning or perphaps adding a new feature.

[smoky quest]

let's put it this way:

• Every time you use AI while learning, you won't be learning since AI will rob you of it

So why wasting all this time?

[barren summit]

Use AI to get job

[fleet iris]

how

[smoky quest]

I wouldn't follow that advice. That is a pretty bad one

[fleet iris]

i thought searching job listing with AI

[smoky quest]

I would just apply to as many job as I can

[barren summit]

idk have anyone used AI to get job? just asking?

[fleet iris]

it might be possible to trick the employer in believing u. but its not worth it. you might get busted in a review

and thats bad ethically

[barren summit]

Most job postings are just ads they collect your data and pass it on to lenders, training institutes, or sales teams who then keep calling you.

[fleet iris]

look for official sites ig
but idk how to aggregate all
maybe linkdin is trustworthy?

[smoky quest]

That's completely false

[barren summit]

Even when you apply through official sites, the same thing happens you just get an automated ATS rejection.

[fleet iris]

that depends on the resume

[smoky quest]

linkedin and indeed are pretty popular websites

[barren summit]

And you end up wasting hours filling out forms

[fleet iris]

yea thats pain

[barren summit]

Some applications take 20–45 minutes, you share all your data, and in the end you get an automated rejection. A few days later, sales calls start offering paid services. Thats what the job market looks like today.

These days many platforms seem more focused on asking money from job seekers than helping them find work.

Is this happening on your side as well?

[sour verge]

Hey

[static goblet]

Hello can someone help me with ai/ml and where I can start learning or some sources you could refer

[slim cedar]

I still have struggle to find freelancer job abroad ..

[jagged locust]

Never really happened to me tbf, I don’t know where you’re getting your job offers from

[vast shoal]

!rule 6

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[crisp stream]

!warn 1263123644033269793 don't ask people for help with inappropriate activities

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @steel marsh.

[craggy cove]

are my chances of getting an interview any better if i take the time to write a short cover letter? given that a cover letter is not required

i don't have very many clever things to say in them, usually

[peak halo]

No, they probably won't read it when they're triaging resumes.

[craggy cove]

what is the general rule? write one if required, but don't bother if there's a place to submit one but it isn't required?

[peak halo]

I've never applied to a job where it was required.
Afaik, cover letters are only useful if you're applying for late career positions where you have things to say that don't come through in a resume.

I'd be interested to hear from late career people though.

[potent tusk]

idk what "late" is but I don't think cover letters matter much

I'm past a decade of experience, I've interviewed many people at that point, and probably at 20 YOE too

i think "late" probably matters less than the kind of role; for a role that's less purely technical and more people/product management or sales, cover letters may matter more

[smoky quest]

I would recommend to adopt a default position of neutral.
It can get you insta rejected if you screw it up (wrong company, wrong skills, obviously chatgpt generated, etc.) and so it becomes expensive to write in a market where you have to apply to hundreds of applications, even if you kinda templatize it.
That said, it can be helpful to stand out and demonstrate your passion and that you are worth talking to. Especially if it feels real

So from a job research perspective, I would say:

• If it's just yet another application, don't waste time on that
• If you do care about that application (ex: company or role you are really excited about), then do spend the time on it

That will help you maximize the outcome for the amount of work to put in.

[craggy cove]

yea right on

[smoky quest]

Cover letters matter even less for late career. It's mostly for early career folks.

Late career folks will have another problem: they get questions that require long paragraphs to be written on the application form.
Questions like:

• Tell us about the largest scale machine learning platform you have built, developed and/or supported in your career
• Tell us about a positive contribution or impact you've had on engineering culture that you're most proud of. What was the outcome, did it scale, how was it nurtured etc?

And obviously, each role will have a slightly different tweak or set of questions.

[zealous ledge]

i want to start phyton but don’t know where to start i love phyton i love coding i only know the base.

[rapid meteor]

.

[errant kettle]

same

I think just seee basic syntax
and also its a language which has its uses
remember u are learning it to use it anywhere else when u need

so focus on problem solving
not just syntax cramming

[plucky cipher]

Hi, I am not novice in python. I tried learning python few months ago but my mind shifted and started studying for competitive exams.
But in competitive exam i am giving, it is providing no skill while preparing for it.

I want to earn a skill rather than learning anything for no reason.

is it a good idea to learn python again or stick to my country's convention?

[south socket]

Hi guys, I hope you are well. I really need a job. I have good experience in Python/JavaScript/AI. I don't know, recently I couldn't find a job. BTW, I am a student.

[fiery jay]

There's two parts at play here.

• The competitive exams might get you notoriety, or help you get recognized, no?
• The practical implementations from things largely is what's going to make you money.. Regardless of working for someone else, or working on your own, that largely won't change imo

If you started learning for a specific reason, what subfield of Software Engineering would you want to learn or focus on? Core Infra, CI/CD, QA, OSes, or... do you need more experience learning about the different possible subfields?

[plucky cipher]

I don't know right now which type of job i want... what are these..i wanna know

I know about business analyst, ML engineer, data science

but only a little bit

I am thinking about core infra

I am not from a Computer science field.

[cobalt dragon]

Same thing here

[fiery jay]

@cobalt dragon @plucky cipher https://techsolution.blog/tech/what-are-common-subfields-within-software-engineering/ Not the best for information, but very high-level and a gentle introduction to other options of software engineering. AI kinda sucks because of how big the field is honestly

[cobalt dragon]

Maaaan I am just tryna learn how AI works, maybe I become an AI engineer.

[fiery jay]

ML Engineer, or just a prompt specialist?

[cobalt dragon]

I don't know about that since I am just now reseached about AI engineering. Firstly trying to see how can I make my own AI agent using python.

[cobalt dragon]

But... if you know, what does Machine Learning do? I've researched in google but no crap. Can't really understand it

[fiery jay]

If you're working with Pytorch, I'd start with image classification and break out from there. They have a decent model for classification tbh

[cobalt dragon]

I am watching this guy's tutorial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTMPwUgLZf0&t=305s

[fiery jay]

It's basically trigonometric functions to make a rough estimation of provided inputs using a coefficient adjustment.. (This is a vast over simplifcaion of what it actually is.)

[cobalt dragon]

This sounds scary. I thought it... like yk, makes AI learn something ?

[cobalt dragon]

My brother suggested me to be a Cybersecurity Engineer

[empty jetty]

oh tech with tim nice guy i did that too

[empty jetty]

let me expalin it what you are learning now is how to be an agentic engineer(use preexisting llm to create agentic workflows) , but by using core ml stuffs like scikit learn , keras , tensorflow , langchain etc with context to deep learning ,cnn, nlp and all techniques you can create or fine tune an llm(your own personal llm) for your own contextual purpose.

[cobalt dragon]

mhm

[vast shoal]

You know regular functions in programming and math, like f(x) = y?

Takes an input value, and transforms it into an output value.

[cobalt dragon]

Yes. I've heard of it.

[vast shoal]

Do you have any programming experience?

Have you written any functions?

[slim wraith]

yes im learning oop

j

@slim wraith

[cobalt dragon]

yes

[vast shoal]

So, turns out some functions are really hard to write manually. Like if you wanted to write a function that takes an email text as input and tells you if it's spam or not, it's kinda hard to even know where to start.

Machine learning is a technique that lets you generate such a function from a lot of examples.

Like, you take tons of emails, and you label each one as either spam or not spam, you shove that into the machine learning algorithm and it spits out a function.

And that function will kinda sorta work.

Not perfectly, but possibly good enough to be useful.

[cobalt dragon]

Omg, had same issue when I had to make an email sending bot.

[vast shoal]

An LLM like ChatGPT is basically a function that takes a text as input and outputs a new word to add to the end of the text. And it was created/generated using a machine learning algorithm.

So when you work with AI, you're either someone that builds applications that use existing "generated functions" (or machine learning models as they are called), or you're someone that works with collecting and curating data, configuring those machine learning algorithms and generating those functions, or you're someone that researches and develops new types of machine learning algorithms.

Each of those roles require vastly different skillsets and experience levels.

[molten carbon]

Do you guys have any good recommendation for understanding of fastapi, overall working and implementations and comparability with different packages?

Please recommend me some yt videos through which I can easily understand and implement fastAPI easily

[cobalt dragon]

thank you

[cobalt dragon]

but one thing, I really don't understand this line:
"builds applications that use existing "generated functions" "😅

[vast shoal]

Like, let's say I build an e-mail application with a built in spam filter. I can take a spam filter library that uses a pre-built model to detect spam. That is me using an "existing generated function for determining whether an e-mail is spam or not".

I didn't create the function myself, I'm just using it in my program.

[cobalt dragon]

OOOoooooooooh

So same thing with making my own AI agent right?

[vast shoal]

It's the same thing if you for example use OpenAI's API. You can send a text prompt to their GPT API, get a response and then use that response in your application.

[vast shoal]

Right

You're not making the GPT model yourself, you're just using it.

[cobalt dragon]

I see. So this is also Software Engineering right?

[vast shoal]

Yeah, this is much more software engineering than it is AI engineering.

[cobalt dragon]

Thanks man, I thought I have to code every single thing myself. But still curious how OpenAI made ChatGPT.

[vast shoal]

The basic principle is the same as what I said above. The function is taking a text and generating the next word in the text. They generated the function by collecting tons and tons of data from online and books, etc.

So like, one example could be the sentence I just wrote:

Input: "The basic principle is the"
Output: "same"

^ This could be one example from the data they fed into the algorithm

[cobalt dragon]

Oh yes!
Just sometimes.... it also takes the wrong data, and make you think that the data he provided to you, is valid.

[vast shoal]

I mean, there's no right or wrong really, they just train it on whatever text there is out there in the world.

"train" = "use data to generate a function" btw

[cobalt dragon]

and also, he can take the data that is not related to your question, for that the data you asked for doesn't really exist on internet. For example, when I asked question to chatgpt on how can I make my Fedora's Files and Setting's sidebar transparent, it failed to give me a solution. I searched it up and found on almost no one asked for that question. So I made a reddit threat myself, on r/gnome.

[vast shoal]

Anything a human wrote is "the right data"

[cobalt dragon]

exactly.

[vast shoal]

Yeah, the examples guide it towards "the kinds of things it should be outputting", but it's only statistical. Even if you ask it for something that wasn't in the data, it'll still give you an answer, it'll just be a statistical approximation based on the data used to train it.

[cobalt dragon]

People still need to make threads and ask in farms, for a solution. It helpful, and trains AI.

[cobalt dragon]

Thank you man. Gonna think on what job should I have. For now by your help, I am finally have an idea on how Software Engineering works.

[vast shoal]

Well, I mainly tried to explain what machine learning is, but I'm glad you feel more confident

There's a bit more to software engineering in general

[cobalt dragon]

Well I will learn it when I do a deep dive.

[fiery jay]

Learn? Not exactly. AI is just a statistically average best-fit model…except it’s really complex lol

[cobalt dragon]

hell naw

[tribal schooner]

Hello, everyone. Brand new here, and brand new to coding. Looking to change careers. Any advice for a brand new coder just starting out?

Most frequent starting point (besides learning the language) is: seek community. Am I in the corrrect place?

[vast shoal]

Yeah, although most Python discussions happen in #python-discussion

[warped mirage]

Hey guys, I have few questions. For those who have certifications e.g. in AI or data science whatever, how do you deal with renewing the certifications?? (if you need to renew it every year or 2 years etc). Doesn't it get stressful when you have additional work as well e.g. your job or family etc? What do you do to manage all of this?

i can only imagine how much of a pain it has to be having to remember what you did to prepare when renewing and also try to balance your work life and family/private life

[peak halo]

I'm an AI professional. I don't have any certificates, and I don't know that any of my coworkers do, and I don't know if there even is a certificate that my department would care if you have

[fiery jay]

A degree? Maybe a research position? Idk

[teal island]

Yo guys i have a question about career

[fiery jay]

Wrong channel, my b. What's your question?

[peak halo]

Remember to never ever, no matter what, ask to ask. Always ask your whole actual question all at once in your first message.

[teal island]

Alr

What is the best moneymaking python carrer.
In what is a good carrer to start from now because i want to start learning python.
Thank you for your help.

[teal island]

???

[jagged locust]

Quant research probably pays the most

But you don’t « just learn Python », you go to college for several years and you do internships

[teal island]

What do you mean by that

[jagged locust]

You probably won’t get a quant research job without a degree

[vast shoal]

It's a moneymaking career where you use Python, but the main skill isn't really Python.

Python is just a tool you use in order to practice your real job.

[teal island]

Okay thank you guys very much

[visual flax]

are excel certifications worth it

[peak halo]

For developer jobs? No.

[visual flax]

What about in general?

[peak halo]

There is no "in general" for certifications.

[visual flax]

Like a project management rool

[fringe sphinx]

Is 'X worth it' depends on; what 'it' means and how much X costs you (time, money, attention, etc). So, how much time and effort and money does an excel certificate take? And what do you think you'll get from it?

Maybe it's worth motivating you to learn something. So, is learning Excel useful? Sure? Maybe.

Is it going to get you a dream job? Not by itself.

A better question would be: what skills should I develop for a project management job?

[visual flax]

These are great questions I'm struggling with motivation because it does not feel worth it

[fringe sphinx]

What does 'worth it' mean to you?

[visual flax]

idk make me more valuable than the next guy who doesn't have it?

[fringe sphinx]

Why would it do that?

And what is 'it'?

The piece of paper or the knowledge and xp you gain?

[visual flax]

I'm doing a project management internship and honeslty as someone who wants to get an engineering degree I am slowly regretting it.

[fringe sphinx]

Regretting the engineering degree? Or the internship?

[visual flax]

Because a person with a certification looks more impressive than a person with the same attributes but doesn't have one?

[fringe sphinx]

Oh. Hiring managers generally don't care about certs, in my xp

[visual flax]

The internship. The way I think of it is. If I can do well in something my heart isn't really in think of how well I'll do when I'm back in school. But it was a mistake it really was

[fringe sphinx]

Make the most of what you've got. A bad internship is better than no internship

The internship is far more valuable than any cert

[visual flax]

I'm trying too but they poorly trained us. and I am not prepared at all. Its not a real internship its a readiness program

[fringe sphinx]

If you're going to put extra time into something, pick something you're interested in

[visual flax]

Is it ok to quit? Because I'm thinking going back to school is a better idea than doing another six months of even more grueling work

[fringe sphinx]

I have no idea. That's not something I know enough about. But, just know that an internship is viewed very positively by hiring managers

[visual flax]

Even if its a readiness program?

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know what that means

[visual flax]

Its essientially unearned internship where we go to a company built for under-privileged youth to get into companies they would not otherwise

[peak halo]

Are you working with people who do the kind of job you want to have, and doing things that generate value for the company?

[visual flax]

Right now its just like college. I'm not sure how familiar you are with yearupunited

[peak halo]

Idk what yearupunited is

[peak halo]

If what you're doing isn't this, it's not really an internship.

[wind shuttle]

what do python developers even do in the world of work (making that SWE money)?

[pine sleet]

many things. "python developers" is really just anyone that works in python

[wind shuttle]

What are strong / in demand fields?

Python has seemed kinda... niche to me... for prototyping and the like, and when I compare it to other libraries in different languages in the same space, it just seems kind of inferior for anything "production" ready...

But I also relate to it alot... as a general purpose kinda thing that can do a bit of everything...
but does it have any fields that it stands out in superbly, that a recruiter would be like "wow, you can do that in python? you're hired!"

I hear "ml" given as a strong argument, but 90% of those libraries are just C wrappers for the most part, so I figured it'd be more useful to have skill in the underlying skill, rather than Python itself

But python in and of itself is so cool, many utility purposes, super fun to script with...
I just don't know how to market myself to actually get a job using it...

[pine sleet]

ai probably

[pine sleet]

idk if id call python "niche", at least in programming...

[sand patio]

it doesn't matter what the tools you're using are written in, if what you're being employed to use is the tool itself.

[wind shuttle]

Do you guys have a field you work in specifically?
If so, what is it, and what did you do to stand out to get it, if you don't mind me asking

[sand patio]

and a lot of these libraries are still primarily written in python, it's the more computationally intensive parts of the codebase that tend to be written in C.

[pine sleet]

both of us are cs majors in college 💀

[sand patio]

in general, I'm not applying to python jobs (or jobs for a specific language in particular), I'm applying to any kind of SWE job

there's niches, of course; i won't apply for embedded roles, because I don't have experience with embedded, nor will I apply for ML roles, because I don't have experience with ML stuff.

[pine sleet]

same thing

[wind shuttle]

That's cool!
I just finished this semester. And I'm trying to consider if it would be worth leveling up my Python skills, or focusing on other domains that I'd be more likely to get a job in if any are available, such as architectural and design, and more targeted niche languages like GO or Rust

[pine sleet]

you should be focusing on what you like since that will be more bearable

than forcing yourself to do something you dont find enjoyable just because people say it's "in demand"

[wind shuttle]

Current state of the job market...
just don't feel like I have too much of a choice...
and if I want that choice, I'll have to go the startup route...

[sand patio]

working for a startup? that's fine too

[wind shuttle]

I've worked for 3, and have had shitty - questionable experiences with all... especially the remote ones...

I have one rn, that hasn't paid me since I started... 4 months ago, so I've halted work...
I was tryna be understanding... yk... startup life and all... but... jeez man

[sand patio]

yeah that's pretty rough 🥴

did you not have an offer letter or anything that mentioned payment?

if you agreed upon pay and weren't paid, that sounds kinda shady

[wind shuttle]

Yea I did...
but it was "startup things"...
Ran out of funding, and taking long to get the grant approved etc etc...

Idk why they brought me in if they knew they were running out of funding...

[sand patio]

it's great to be empathetic and understanding, but it's not really on you if they can't afford to hire you--that's their problem.

can you try to get back pay or something

[wind shuttle]

Just patiently waiting... not much else I can do... remote company and all...

I just... it can't be like this all the time yk...
Something got to improve at some point.
It's exhausting

[sand patio]

yeah i wouldn't continue working if you were promised pay, and then just weren't paid.

[wind shuttle]

😔 ✌️

So what are your plans post college?
You getting in your internships now?

[sand patio]

if you're looking for new work, it's a good idea to get your resume reviewed (you can send it here, im sure someone can take a glance at it)

[wind shuttle]

Oh that's pretty cool

[sand patio]

im a freshman rn, yeah im looking for internships

[wind shuttle]

In the US?

[sand patio]

yep

it's lowkey just about volume. you'll probably get at least a few interviews if you send out a stupid amount of applications.

[wind shuttle]

So they say...
Welp, time for me to start that ig

[sand patio]

yeah apparently the market will somewhat start back up in january

[wind shuttle]

Oh yea?
That's pretty interesting, good to know.

Is it still going to be leetcode based?

[sand patio]

I've heard of some companies not doing it anymore, but from what I've heard from friends, most of their stuff has still been leetcode based.

so grinding out some leetcode would be a decent idea

[wind shuttle]

Sigh... I hate that stuff man...
but gotta do whatchu gotta do...

Thanks for the insight!

[lime badge]

speaking of leetcode, i just happen to have a copy of cracking the coding interview 2nd edition - is that worth a read?

[fleet iris]

anyone over here had failed papers in uni
is it true that they straight up reject people with failed papers in on-campus placement drives

even when the portfolio is decent

i am from india, if that helps

[vast shoal]

failed papers?

What do you mean by that?

@fleet iris

[tranquil canyon]

Hello 👋🤗

What's a logician

[vast shoal]

Presumably an academic studying logic

[fleet iris]

university paper for a subject that i didn't manage to get pass mark
i should attend the exam and clear that paper again

[solid parcel]

Worth a scan through imo. However, I've heard a prevailing consensus that the follow-up (Beyond Cracking The Coding Interview) is more pertinent nowadays.

[summer meteor]

hey hows the market for a ai/ml developer for freshers?

[solid parcel]

There's massive demand and a pay premium for people that actually understand how to build and/or leverage AI/ML systems (a system is more than just a model. Specialisms include security, reliability, data engineering and so on).

At the same time, there are a ton of juniors that are trying to sell themselves as AI/ML experts because it's the current trend, when all they really mean is they've used an OpenAI API a couple of times and know what ollama is.

[summer meteor]

oh no no i do build models and stuff rn im in 2nd yr soo i just really wnat to know cause some ppl say its not there for freshers and stuff

[solid parcel]

There's some truth in that; a lot of organisations are looking to move at speed when it comes to AI, which is much more achievable when you can bring in engineers with experience both with the technology but also with your specific industry, as challenges and restrictions differ between verticals (e.g. It can be important to understand relevant compliance requirements such as HIPAA and GDPR). When juniors are brought onboard, initially they slow momentum rather than increasing it.

All of that said, the integration of AI (or if we're being pedantic, really LLM and agentic workflows, AI has been around in one form or another for decades) is such a nascent area that it's still evolving rapidly. As such, there are limits to just how much relevant experience even established engineers have in this niche. Couple that with the high demand, and it's absolutely feasible to get hired as a junior doing AI/ML work (if you're wanting to be more on the research/model building, you may find a Master's is the minimum expected qualification for many roles).

If I were you, I'd recommend spending some time digging into what specific issues organisations are currently having. If you can get ahead of the curve on understanding how to solve a real issue, that's a compelling selling point.

[summer meteor]

ah so thats the ground truth alright..i'm keeping my options open for research side as well..but as for now i'll take ur suggestion to digging up issues...or should i target start up companies as they will be needing a ml engineer in the future anyway

[solid parcel]

Very much comes down to what your goals are. I'd start with those, and work backwards.

[summer meteor]

alrighty thanks a lot

[junior spade]

If im 15 and want to do Computer engineering (CE/CCE) in university. What should i focus on rn (learning)?
Like:
-What programming lang
-What types projects
etc.
(Im mainly interested in ML/automation/backend/embedded systems/IoT/some robotics)

[trim crypt]

You could start with CS50 first and branch off to CS50 Python then to CS50 AI after that. https://cs50.harvard.edu/x/

[junior spade]

I already have some experience with python. I have done several projects

[trim crypt]

Just do a quick review over the CS50 Python course if you want

[next matrix]

Hii

[junior spade]

Alr, ive built stuff like:
-a password manager app (exported it to .apk and .exe) (toga/beeware)
-a school database website (sql/flask)
-rn making an ML model for NPC decision making depending on many factors (in building, using sklearn and numpy)

[next matrix]

How may I can land in job market after learning python only

[junior spade]

I also have a small raspberry pi 2 at home, im interested in using it sometime soon

[trim crypt]

If you try to search for job boards, you may find that noone wants to hire a person who can only do Python. Most of the time, the job ads will tell you that they're looking for people who knows a framework or library like Django or Pytorch. Then show a project that you can build using them. And even after that, its a matter of luck if you can find a job ad that you can match up

[junior spade]

What else do u think i can do

[trim crypt]

pi 2 is very old. I'm surprised you have one of those.

[junior spade]

Yeahh lmao i randomly found it. but its great tbh!!

[trim crypt]

Did you go through CS50 AI yet?

[junior spade]

That no, is CS50 a toturial video or are they docs?

[trim crypt]

https://cs50.harvard.edu/ai/ they have both videos and slides and documents. So you don't really have to watch videos. But you do need to go through their exercises

[next matrix]

Man

Im ai developer gen ai expert I can make everything without writing code

[fleet iris]

anyone from india

[next matrix]

Im

[trim crypt]

Make something to help you find a job without writing code I guess

[fleet iris]

you are the future

[next matrix]

Wbu bro

[junior spade]

Alr, ill check it out. Do i get a certificate from this? cuz im more interested in learning myself

[next matrix]

I can give u

[fleet iris]

not sure bro am stuck with traditional education system

[next matrix]

U in clg or school

[fleet iris]

clg

[next matrix]

What degree persuing

[trim crypt]

You can get a cert if you enroll via their edx version. But its free to learn the materials on cs50 site

[fleet iris]

degree of engineering

[junior spade]

Okay so i dont have to complete it fully. Theres so certificate... I prefer learning alone, by docs and testing tbh (Thats how i learned Python in a whole) (sklearn and flask too)

[next matrix]

Dm me I can give u Oracle certificate with good course u can apply jobs as well

[fleet iris]

damn bro

[junior spade]

Send thelink here, ill check it out

[trim crypt]

Yeah thats fine. Don't really need to pay to learn. Just start learning.

[next matrix]

Im selling bro

[fleet iris]

damn bro u r a business man

[trim crypt]

!rule 9 is not allowed here

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[junior spade]

I am not interested in paying to learn... I can learn anything myself with the internet thankfully

[next matrix]

Bro i literally learned everything online

[trim crypt]

Most of us do, and we learn it for free.

[next matrix]

U get nothing without certificates tbh

[junior spade]

Thats why i go to university

[next matrix]

Not gonna argue with u man u are the reasons tech peoples getting cheap labours

[fleet iris]

yo

[junior spade]

Is Python (ML/automation/etc.) important in Computer engineering (CE)?

[fleet iris]

yes languages are high level way through which we interact with the computer

[trim crypt]

It seems to be the current trend in many courses

[fleet iris]

if we don't have python we should use C

if we dont have C we should use assembly
if we dont have assembly we should write object code
if we dont have object code
then we should invent microprocessor

[junior spade]

Cuz i love python and use it alot, but i keep hearing that C/C++ is used more. Im not sure tho

[junior spade]

Insane lmao

[fleet iris]

its not over 😭

[junior spade]

is C/C++ used more than Python in CE 🤔

[solid parcel]

This is absolute nonsense.

[junior spade]

I was gonna say fr

[fleet iris]

CE talks about everything related to compsci
it uncovers the abstraction i talked above
each line i said is a subject

assemblers, microprocessors, OS,DBMS,MATH,C,HIGH LEVEL LANGUAGES LIKE PYTHON

[junior spade]

So is that a yes? 🤔 🤔

[fleet iris]

unless you are in security

[fleet iris]

depends on the course.
we have more C programming than py

[next matrix]

And next move is your elon musk?

[solid parcel]

It's largely the same in security, too.

[fleet iris]

but my point is. its not the only thing u learn in CE. people think CE Is all about coding

[fleet iris]

how do u know

[solid parcel]

It massively depends on the work you're doing. FYI under the hood a lot of Python libraries are actually thin API wrappers over C languages. See numpy and tensorflow for a couple of examples 🙂

[fleet iris]

you just called python slow

[trim crypt]

you dont need a cert to hack into servers and databases

[fleet iris]

damn

[solid parcel]

Years of experience, conversations with dozens of security engineers (who pretty much universally do not rate certs), anecdotal context (a few years back I secured an offer for a cyber role without any certs), the fact that many of the industry certs are ones you're not even eligible for until you've got 5 YoE under your belt.

[fleet iris]

great. i think u are right. congratulations

[junior spade]

Yeah but isnt using pytorch-tensorflow better than building the neural networks from scratch in C/C++?

[solid parcel]

I was just giving a couple of examples of Python libraries that are written in C/C-like languages, not implying you need to write your own tooling from scratch in C😁

[tribal bone]

so introductory certs in cibersecurity arent useful?

[junior spade]

What tools do people commonly use in cybersecurity? i always wonder... A brute force cracker, virus that infects a network/pc to get smth? 🤔

[solid parcel]

Easier to say if you can give examples of the certs you're thinking of. As a rule of thumb, the learning for said certs is generally more beneficial than the piece of paper.

[fleet iris]

hacker green background terminal,Nmap, Wireshark,BurpSuite,Metasploit....
am not a hecker thats all ik

and SIEM tools
to monitor stuff thats the job of analyst

[junior spade]

oo yeah, i know nmap and wireshark

[crimson tapir]

Hi

everyone nice to meet you

[fleet iris]

there are varioud teams in security from what i heard
red team attack. blue team prevents

[granite kettle]

Hello, guys.

[junior spade]

Oh yeah

[fleet iris]

pen-testers who is part of attacking side is responsible for finding vulnerability in the system

[crimson tapir]

I hope to find the developer who can cupperate with me

[junior spade]

I heard Python is quite good for cybersecurity cuz it can scan networks, automate many stuff and tests, analyze a pc, log analysis, and cryptography

[fleet iris]

they can do whatever they want. even social engineer the employers

[fleet iris]

hello potato

[solid parcel]

Network mapping tooling is a common place to start. Attackers are generally looking for an RoI. They want the easiest route to achieve their goal. They're opportunistic, so scanning network boundaries and infrastructure for likely weak points is an easy way to get started finding a way to breach a system. Looking for open ports, fuzzing for common vulnerabilities and misconfigurations (e.g. SQL injection or unchanged default creds, exposed internal server info (if you can get info about the version of software a server is running for example, you may be able to identify known and unpatched vulnerabilities), XSS etc.)

[junior spade]

Damnn thats interesing... Cybersecurity has aura tbh

[solid parcel]

Step 1 is to get in, step 2 is to build out a persistent foothold. Attackers will typically move laterally through an environment, looking for opportunities to escalate their privileges.

Target famously had their PoS systems compromised a few years back. Initially, the attacker got into the network via an internet connected thermostat.

[fleet iris]

-ve aura once we get hacked due to bad configurations. its a demanding job

[junior spade]

😭 💯

Cybersecurity is an option for the future tbh i like the idea of it

[solid parcel]

On the blue side, you're generally not trying to entirely prevent breach (against a well-resourced attacker, this is virtually impossible). Rather, your goal is to make it difficult enough for them to break in that it simply isn't worth the effort.

Similar idea to not needing to outrun a bear, merely to run faster than the friend you're with, lol.

[junior spade]

Thats crazy 😭

[solid parcel]

If you're interested, there are some internally vulnerable websites you can try breaking into. They exist for the sake of people being able to learn.

https://testfire.net/ is an example

[solid parcel]

Fully expected, the lack of HTTPS is intentional. Again, it's a vulnerable website 🙂 Fully safe

SQL Injection is a nice easy place to start if you want to try breaking in

You can also run the site locally as a docker container, if you'd like

[next matrix]

Bro just make a simple

[warped mirage]

Wait what? How did you stand out from the rest of the candidates when applying for job? Sorry for the late response btw

Did you have experience before your job? Im confused how people can stand out for their first job without certification or something.

[fleet iris]

http

[peak halo]

I got a degree in computer science with coursework and research that's related to AI. You're right that you can't get a job in AI without first having something, and in 99% of cases, it's a degree.

[warped mirage]

You are very lucky. I know people who have good degree from good universities but are still looking for job and its been couple of months since their graduation

[peak halo]

Yep, and the people who only have certificates (and not a degree) are just having their resumes insta-turbo-deleted.

[warped mirage]

well yeah, whats the point of having a certification without a degree lol

[peak halo]

usually people who ask about certificates are trying to avoid getting a degree. are you saying you already have one?

[balmy mural]

You'd be surprised at how many people ask about what certificates/courses can replace a degree

[warped mirage]

Not yet, Im in my final year. I was just curious about people and how they got their first jobs.

[solid parcel]

Yeah, it's a particularly rough time for grads and juniors in the tech market at the moment.

[warped mirage]

true 😭

[peak halo]

have you done an internship or formal research related to AI? if not, your best bet is to do grad school on an AI track.

[warped mirage]

what is grad school?

[peak halo]

when you get a master's degree.

[warped mirage]

Oh,yeah ofc

I plan to get masters after im done with my BSc

[peak halo]

so your employment strategy needs to be rooted in what you do during your masters program

[warped mirage]

As an aside question, did u get a job after bachelors or masters? If you are ok answering

[peak halo]

I only have a bachelors, but I studied both linguistics and computer science and published on an LLM technique while I was studying computer science.

[warped mirage]

cool

[solid parcel]

On the topic of LLMs, I read a very interesting Stanford pre-print yesterday. They orchestrated sub-agents to pen-test one of Stanford's networks, and pitted it against 10 cybersecurity professionals. Both the professionals and orchestrator were evaluated based on the number and criticality of vulnerabilities discovered across a 10 hour period, and the LLM approach outperformed all but one of the humans.

Very interesting to see that well-designed orchestration and summarisation may go a long way toward combating some of the performance degradation we see across long context windows. Again it's only a pre-print, but the approach they leveraged is pretty compelling imo.

[peak halo]

would be a topic for #data-science-and-ml rather than here

[solid parcel]

Valid, forgot it wasn't one of the general chats!

[next matrix]

Man just

[peak halo]

In this channel, you need to say everything that you want to say in one message.

[prime berry]

Hi everyone,
I wanted to share something that’s been on my mind for a while and maybe hear your perspective.
I’ve been working as a Python developer in a corporate environment for the past 9 years. Unfortunately, the last 6 years were mostly stagnation — I got stuck maintaining a project that completely absorbed me, with little room to learn anything new or grow technically. Over time, programming stopped giving me any real satisfaction, and now I feel genuinely burned out.
Before going professional, I used to code purely as a hobby — small personal projects, home automation, tiny experiments. That problem-solving process was exciting and rewarding. Today, I struggle to motivate myself even to do things like that, which used to bring me joy.
I’d really like to rediscover that old spark — the satisfaction of solving problems and enjoying programming again, instead of seeing it only as a drained professional obligation.
If any of you have been through something similar, I’d really appreciate hearing how you dealt with it, what helped you reset, or how you found your way back to enjoying coding.
Thanks for reading.

[fringe sphinx]

My motivation generally comes from customers... I like working on projects where someone actually cares about what I'm doing.

Not sure how to translate that to a recommendation, but for a more tangible way to find interest in the field: watch some pycon or europython videos.... you can see a wide range of interesting things that people are doing:

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL2Uw4_HvXqvb98mQjN0-rYQjdDxJ_hcrs or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gotVjbeluY&list=PL8uoeex94UhFQY9cYBQOVkj9fSHMHf5x9

[faint depot]

Maybe go into a different sector. Im doing an engineering apprenticeship but programming on the side. Struggled for a few years trying to progress but now ive found my foothold onto something, hopefully ill be able to get better in the next year or so

[smoky quest]

There are a few things you can try:

• Don't put pressure on yourself. It's okay to take a break for a few months and then get back to it
• Focus on the core fun part. Often times, it's easy to get lost in what we view as good engineering practices but might become tedious as a solo dev. So just hack fun and simple things that are core
• Explore more artistic sides of it. Procedural generation is a classic area well suited for it as you can get some cool output very quickly
• Explore a completely new area. For instance, discover about embedded or compiler or something you haven't had the opportunity to learn much about

[meager steppe]

Hello there, I have a doubt. I know Azure basics, but I want to join in a role of data engineer with GCP, so do you recommend go to the data engineer certification first or the associate Google cloud engineer?

[still condor]

@magic sorrel Please read our rules and the channel description. You cannot look for employees or contractors on this server.

[magic sorrel]

Okay sorry 😐

Okay what is the server ment for

[lusty jungle]

For python discussion , fields

[magic sorrel]

Okay do you know any server I can find implies

[lusty jungle]

Sorry I can't help i only know about my field

[magic sorrel]

Okay 😔

[lusty jungle]

(:

[tender kraken]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/deepankarsahoo_flutter-android-firstapp-activity-7406439671423127552-gwf1?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android&rcm=ACoAAEGbH0IBxB5PbRozvbY_asWm8Z4vKcVUTd4

[lusty jungle]

It's not me

[stable smelt]

hey can any one recommend me best way to learn pandas because the tutorials that im using are not great

[trim crypt]

https://www.kaggle.com/learn/pandas

[astral fable]

For taking AI in my undergraduate of university, do I need to know coding? Ik Python and C++ rlly well and am learning Java right now, but willl it be useful? Could an expert answer?

[near ocean]

What does the course entail, do you have a curriculum

[fringe sphinx]

Also, why are you asking? If you alreayd know Python and C++, why does it matter if you need to know coding?

[peak halo]

I'm an AI professional. I have never been asked to write programs in any language other than Python. I don't think any of my coworkers use any language other than Python.

You will almost certainly have to write code in an AI program or course, but what you need to be most prepared for is the theoretical math.

[regal axle]

It super depends on the course. I remember taking an AI class and they had me writting prolog. It was not a very good class

[peak halo]

!mute 1355118425491636346 spamming in multiple channels

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @vapid jay until <t:1765899889:f> (1 hour).

[regal axle]

It was then picked up by the uni as "oh look, we have AI!". But that class taught old school AI. And was obviously not part of the current hype cycle AI ideas ... what a waste of a class to throw money into. Whatever

[winged spade]

Any advice on pursuing
Quant/Algo Trading

Or software engineer L4?

[fringe sphinx]

They're all great career paths that involve a lot of learning. One with more math, one with more engineering.

My general advice is: step 1 is the same, regardless - learn fundamental programming skills, and learn University level math (especially linear algebra)

[fervent grove]

hi guys im seeking for some advice regarding CV as i find myself failing in application processes, i know these are dark times for juniors but i question if there is something missing in my CV or entirely "wrong". (It should be ATS friendly as i did some tests)

~Thanks

[small iris]

i have a question related to the high percentage of unemployment rate for cs students, i have been thinking about a reason for quite some time now. Could it be that a while ago when there was the ,,boom,, of computer science, people were so obsessed with the money, that they entered CS university and didn't even bother to study at all and expected to land a job just because they though they have found a "gold mine" and a degree, without actually building anything or not knowing the fundamentals of CS. What are your thoughts on this?

[peak halo]

I think it's mainly the broader economic situation, rather than anything especially specific to CS.

[fringe sphinx]

First, use a consistent past tense. "Spearheading" vs "Led" vs "Implemented.

[fringe sphinx]

Second, these are supposed to be bullets... not paragraphs. That's a lot of text I'm not going to read.

Other points - leading with "data scientist" narrows your opportunities. Make sure you're only using that resume for actual data scientist postings.

I'm not a huge fan of two column layouts. It's debatable, I just prefer the single column standard view... less text wrapping. I also don't see your education (presumably in the redacted part)

[timid light]

can anyone help me scrap a website

??

[mental kraken]

@timid light i can help you

[timid light]

https://seekoguide.com/subjects/class-ten-science/force

[vapid jay]

hi all, I'm seeking for advice regarding how to kickstart the journey as a full stack developer specializing within AI

[timid light]

here this website i am trying to get all the content to study for my upcomming exams but i have not learned web scrapping so i can collect data and i would have to spen a lot of time if i write it mannually

@mental kraken

[mental kraken]

yes i am here

you want to scrap this site?

[timid light]

yes

[mental kraken]

oh, i see, i can do it

[timid light]

there are 5 subjects and book

[mental kraken]

yeah

[timid light]

well mate is there a possibility that you only do the subject guide it would make the work load lesser

[mental kraken]

i can scrap all page

[timid light]

ok

thanks bro you are a handy one hope i could return the favour

[mental kraken]

no worry, can you pay me?

[peak halo]

You can't ask for or offer money on this server.

[mint knoll]

Do employers look down on all online degrees in tech. Even if accredited from ABET?

[peak halo]

I don't think my department would care about that in itself, but imo, the coursework is the least valuable part of a degree, and the networking and extra stuff you do on campus is the most valuable part. The fact that I have a job is predicated on opportunities I took on campus that were only available to CS students.

[solid parcel]

To add onto this, two column layout isn't as ATS friendly. The vast majority of recruiters recommend a one column layout

[solid parcel]

Oftentimes a degree is just a tick box to placate HR. Yes there may be some additional skepticism about an online degree, but I doubt it would be sufficient to meaningfully impact your employability.

[fervent grove]

i disliked the repeated use of words, but i understand

[solid parcel]

It's the inconsistency in tenses rather than the word choice that he's critiquing.

[fervent grove]

can you give an example i searched online and they refer to giving values gained like actual numbers too how am i supposed to do that in 1 sentence

[indigo lodge]

I am Ali, student of Computer Science and really wanted to be a Software Engineer and just disillusioned about the way. Anyone has advice where should I start and what is the best for me. If you'll be in my shoes then what would you do? To be honest I am very stressed about my career. Help me buddies!!

[fringe sphinx]

https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs is a fairly typical template

[fringe sphinx]

What/why are you disillusioned?

[indigo lodge]

watched alot of roadmaps, just stuck in the dilemma. where should i get started.

[fringe sphinx]

Start at the beginning: write something.

Same as how we teach 5 year olds to play soccer.

[dusty fulcrum]

@robust hamlet have you worked on any specific data science projects you can include on your resume? Showing that you have talent and drive and ability to get things done is often a huge plus.

[robust hamlet]

Im working towards it, as i just completed my a levels, so im learning data analysis and eda as of now, and then would be moving onto projects.

[solid parcel]

FYI even a level 3 apprenticeship can be a reasonable path into the industry. Not sure what the options there look like for a data science pathway, but may be worth researching...

[lusty jungle]

That's data analyst . I am also learning

[languid pasture]

Is there anyone who had done CSE? I am in 9th grade, I want to have an idea to know what its like.
I want to be a Software Enginee

[vapid jay]

Hey! I’m currently studying Computer Applications, and if you’re interested in becoming a software engineer, CSE is a great path. It involves learning programming, problem-solving, and how software systems work — challenging but really exciting if you enjoy logic and creating things.

[languid pasture]

Thank you! I would like to ask one more thing, learning a programming language will help me?

[vapid jay]

Yes, absolutely. Learning a programming language builds your logical thinking and problem-solving skills, which are core to software engineering. It also helps you understand how computers work and gives you a strong head start before college.

[languid pasture]

I am trying to understand and master Python.

I am following, Programiz's tutorials for understanding Python.

I have learnt about data type conversion, though I am not too much in Python but it feels confusing some times.

What do you say about using Programiz as a starting website to learn?

I have plain Python installed, is it enough to learn??

[vapid jay]

@languid pasture
Programiz is totally fine as a starting point — it explains basics clearly and is beginner-friendly. Feeling confused at times is normal; Python concepts click gradually as you practice.
Yes, having plain Python installed is more than enough to learn. Just make sure you practice by writing small programs regularly — that’s where real understanding comes from.

[languid pasture]

Okay, learning and practicing regularly will help me, right? I have heard about Python Interpreter but I don't really know how it works or what it is about. People use Replit by a lot is it an alternate to Python?

[vapid jay]

Yes , learning and practicing regularly is the real key. That’s how everything starts to make sense.
The Python interpreter is simply the program that runs your Python code line by line and shows the output. When you install Python, the interpreter comes with it, so you’re already using it.
Replit is not an alternate to Python. It’s just an online place to write and run Python code without installing anything. Python is the language; Replit is just a tool to use it.