career-advice

[smoky quest]

Some people take 6months to prepare for google interviews

[west fractal]

Is 8 hours of daily DSA practice enough to be able to clear Google difficult DSA rounds in 6 months seeing my current level - beginner in both c++ and DSA and assuming I'm efficient and consistent with x number of hours?

Or what is the value of x if not 8

[west fractal]

Okay

[fast fossil]

I don't think you should focus on the hours so much, for starters, simply try to solve one leetcode/codewars/exercism problem per day, if you can do more, that's great, but try to solve at least one, doesn't matter how long it takes, when you get to the harder problems, it might take you days or weeks to solve them and that's fine, what matters is that you keep the problem somewhere in your mind, even if not consciously thinking about, let your brain do its job, it's a lot more efficient at that if you don't stress it too much (not a doctor, but that makes intuitive sense to me), more hours can, in fact, worsen your ability to take in new information, make sure to get plenty of sleep
if you want hours, I'd personally advise no more than 4 hours of truly focused studying, in realistic terms, that might take say 8 hours overall with breaks and daydreaming and whatnot, because you do have to let your brain wander around and process the information "in the background"

[west fractal]

You don't understand my question

[fast fossil]

Perhaps, you don't understand my answer?

[west fractal]

I just asked a simple question that how many hours do I need to practice daily to be able to clear Google DSA rounds in 6 months

And told what's my current level

[fast fossil]

Well, you assume it's a simple question, but it is very much not simple at all or rather, it's a hard question (as opposed to easy) (it is simple in terms of grammar I suppose), many variables are at play that we do not have any knowledge of. Your reported level is not enough and it's also not a particularly reliable account of your actual skill level, there is some uncertainty to it.

[west fractal]

Can you assume what I'm saying is true

😭 😭

[crisp stream]

No, because it'd be misleading and plain wrong

[brave python]

any french python scripters that can help me w sum please?

[west fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/skysleash-selena-selena-gomez-selener-crying-gif-15179432894760998262

[crisp stream]

Wrong channel
Try #python-discussion or #1035199133436354600

[pure spindle]

Hey guy

[brave python]

i did.

[pure spindle]

@west fractal how you doing

[west fractal]

Good

[fast fossil]

Regarding your skill level? Sure, but again, that's not enough information. We'd need a way to asses your learning capabilities, which would certainly be rather difficult for us and at that point you'd have better luck going to a person that specializes in this (I'm sure there are people like that), in like cognitive ability, that could asses your capabilities and then further quantify the learning material to then be able to make some prognosis regarding your learning progress, but such as assessment is going to be nearly impossible to do for us, for one, I don't think there are many here that are specialized in cognitive neuroscience or whatever field would be most suited for this.

I will, once again, urge you to discard your hours-based framework for learning DSA and suggest that you focus on the number of problems solved, rather than the number of hours spent doing that, if you want to have some measure of your progress.

[west fractal]

What about you

[pure spindle]

What part of linux are you managing 😀😀

[west fractal]

Slap me

[west fractal]

Ubuntu

I use macos though

I want to switch to linux

[pure spindle]

Nice

[smoky quest]

If you are a beginner, 8h would work.
Though note that DSA is just one step in the interview. There are quite a few more steps

[west fractal]

Not less than 8?

[solid parcel]

No way do you need 8 hours of practice a day for 6 months, to crack entry level DSA for Google.

[smoky quest]

depends how good you are

[smoky quest]

If you are a beginner and start from scratch, there is a lot to master

[solid parcel]

Even starting entirely from scratch, that time investment would be completely excessive

[pure spindle]

I just learned about list comprehensions vs normal loops do you guys think they improve readability or just make code confusing?

[solid parcel]

100% agreed, but I still think that timeline is off for cracking easy/mediums.

[smoky quest]

You are severely overestimating the skills of the average candidate 😉

In terms of google level interviews, I would also prepare for some hard as they might happen

[solid parcel]

For some context with @west fractal as well, they're focusing obsessively on DSA to the detriment of virtually everything else (e.g. not knowing what SOLID is, only understanding the difference between cloud and DevOps a few days back etc.). So I'm trying to nudge them toward a more constructive distribution of their time, even if their goal is to be able to pass FAANG interview processes ASAP rather than to become a rounded engineer.

I've been trying to push them to go through something like CS50 and the cloud resume challenge to get a good baseline understanding of a lot of fundamentals, but they're remarkably resistant to advice, despite how much they ask for it. Feels like they're often only asking to try and hear the conclusion they've already reached themselves.

[smoky quest]

100% they should prepare for more than dsa.
Some things to note:

• if they were average or more, they would not be so worried and asking here about it
• if they start now, they can always adjust course and change their mind once they see it's not such a big deal

[solid parcel]

Yeah, they're starting entirely from scratch. Got some reservations about them learning to write 'clever' code rather than good code...

[west fractal]

Yeah I have to clear initial rounds atleast

What's the point of knowing other things if I don't even clear initial DSA/ coding rounds

[solid parcel]

You'd be better off thinking in terms of the whole process. The fastest way to achieve that may not be the fastest way to clear the first round.

[solid parcel]

Conversely, what would the point of passing one round be, if that's all you can do? There are no prizes for getting a stage into the process.

[west fractal]

Atleast clearing first few rounds will bring me some happiness

Rather than getting straight reject in round 1

[west fractal]

Yeah there are two ways - speedrun DSA and then do other things or do both things simultaneously. Fastest would be the one in which maximum rounds are cleared so is it not 1st?

[solid parcel]

Ahhhh, is that where the obsession is coming from? Holding out on passing the first round as a sign of progress?

[smoky quest]

It would be confusing the metric for the goal.
DSA is one of the metric to see if you are worth hiring, but your goal should be to become the best engineer you can be.

[west fractal]

Since round 1 is always coding

[regal axle]

Not true. It is not always coding. But yea, it frequently will be in FAANG

[smoky quest]

The interview rounds are just ways to spot check candidates. Passing them does not mean you are a good or well rounded engineer

[west fractal]

😞

[solid parcel]

Linux, that's a genuine question. Is that what your thought process is? I've been trying to understand where the extreme hyperfixation is coming from.

[west fractal]

Yeah

That's my thought process. Atleast something is better than nothing

[regal axle]

If you can only solve the leetcode questions, you have 1 big issue ... actually getting the first round. You might be filtered out if you are not able to develop.
They don't care that much (they in this context being FAANG) if its for an internship. But for a full time job, it is a bit different

[west fractal]

Clearing first few rounds will be achievement for me rather than getting straight reject in round 1

So that's why my I'm obsessed with DSA but yeah I have to develop other skills as well 👍🏿

[solid parcel]

Ahhh, right, okay. Your approach is finally making sense. As Joshie says, even with your approach, I think you need to take a step back. Getting an interview at Google can be extremely challenging. Unless your CV strongly evidences your abilities, you won't get that far.

If you're wanting to work through the interview process front to back (which is odd, but I at least understand your approach now), actually looking into how to get in front of an interviewer should be step 1. No point knowing LeetCode if your CV keeps getting filtered out.

[smoky quest]

your resume will need to be appealing enough to get called for a round 1

[west fractal]

Okay then what's the step 1 even before DSA coding round?

[solid parcel]

Having Google want to interview you.

[west fractal]

Ohh noo💀

My resume is blank

like a white paper

[west fractal]

what I need to do for that?

I have heard Google calling people for interview who are grandmaster on codeforces

[smoky quest]

Google receives tens of thousands of applications. So why would they call you back if you send a blank page?

[solid parcel]

Have a look on YouTube and LinkedIn, there's tons of advice out there. For a start, you'll need to show you know how to actually develop, as opposed to just writing a few lines of code (as you do for LeetCode questions). Again, go through CS50, do something like the cloud resume challenge, and then follow the fun. Go deeper in the areas you're enjoying, and build some expertise.

[west fractal]

What to do now

[smoky quest]

What is your current situation? Do you have a degree?

[west fractal]

I'm pursuing

[solid parcel]

They're 19, they're literally just getting started.

[smoky quest]

Then:

• dive deeper into the classes and class projects
• make projects
• don't worry about DSA until 6month before internships/job searches
• don't even think about touching AI to write any piece of code or solve your problems

By the time you are job ready, you will have strong fundamentals and things to put on your resume

[regal axle]

wtf is this!?!?!?!? LOL

[regal axle]

no really, they have multiple positions open ...

[near ocean]

name and shame? or do we not do that here (we should)

[regal axle]

I personally don't. Not against any rules here (I don't think)

[versed mural]

Is anyone here a python beginner or pro

[fast fossil]

What's your question? (and does it fit this channel?)

[lost walrus]

You have not actually asked anything, but are merely posting texts written by others. If you have something meaningful to say, then please do so. If you include texts produced by others, good academic practice requires that you provide a proper source.

[quartz gate]

Guys, I have a question about career.

I am still building up on being a good developer, and I am NOT There yet. Not even close despite my degree. My buddy is offering me a job at Sieman's in a Jr. Role, will it be malapropos to take a job as a Systems Specialist for automation systems?

[white relic]

It's quite normal for people to take jobs that aren't their dream job. People have bills to pay. Nothing wrong with it.

[quartz gate]

Good, cuz my dream job is Netflix.

Well, its actually going to the UFC but that can wait until I've won a few amateur fights. LOL

[regal axle]

what even is the wording of these questions?
Idk, it just is strange to say "we care a ton about inclusion" and then ask a ton of question about your identity. Sounds to me like you want to make decisions ,,, based on identity 🤨
-# Because I don't care too much about this company, I don't care to opt out and "potentially" miss out. Even if they claim that they don't decide based on that. Idk if I believe that

[white relic]

I've seen this kind of thing before, but I don't have the answer.
One interpretation that comes to mind is that the point of the questions is not to get the answers, but to be a deterrent to the kind of people who would be turned off by how they're phrased.

[deft herald]

good lord. I don't know if they're being tryhard or preachy here

[peak halo]

as a queer person, I think this is very performative and very cringe.

[visual flax]

In corporate america is it common to take a un schedule 5-10 minute break off from work

[deft herald]

But i totally agree - if you truly didn't want to descriminate you wouldn't be asking the damn questions to begin with

[peak halo]

"race is a social construct but also which one are you?" lmao

[visual flax]

because that's literally what I'm doing right now

[deft herald]

This is called taking a dump.

[regal axle]

Right yea. It just ,,, doesn't read as someone who actually cares. As much as it reads from someone who wants to look like they really care

[peak halo]

nobody really cares as long as you get all your work done and respond to emails in a timely manner.

[visual flax]

Would that be at a job where you are paid hourly or yearly?

[deft herald]

yeah if you're a salaried engineer, no one cares about the minutes you work

WITH ONE EXCEPTION: those working government contracts. That dept. at my company has to fill out time cards down to 15min

[fast fossil]

People are typically not paid yearly 😅

[white relic]

been there

and yeah

[peak halo]

I'm talking about salaried jobs. it would be very unusual for a software engineer to not be salaried. for hourly wage jobs, you usually have to be more precise, yes (go to the bathroom before you clock in, etc.)

[regal axle]

And even then, they want you to mark it down more than you being allowed to or not allowed to (most of the time from what I hear)

[deft herald]

Even then i don't think people would track their small breaks throughout the day right.

[visual flax]

I'm in a corporate internship and honestly this is my first 9 to five its hell.

[white relic]

correct, in my experience.

[visual flax]

So much of my time is writing emails about work I'm supposed to be doing and making updates about work I need to be doing.

[white relic]

it takes some getting used to, for sure.
How long have you been at it?

[visual flax]

This will be my first week

[peak halo]

I do government-funded work (not a contractor per se), and we have to allocate our labor each day in full-hour increments, but it's not tied to specific hours.

[peak halo]

it might be an adjustment, but 9-5 is the most privileged work schedule in our society. retail, food service, and recreation are all scheduled to accommodate 9-5 workers.

[fast fossil]

I think it's putting off people who do in principle agree with those statements more than anything

But it must also be putting off people who don't agree with them
so all in all, methinks they just don't want to employ anyone in that role after all, unless they're trying to find those desperate enough to not care?

[white relic]

I wouldn't expect this from a big corporation, they usually have fairly sanitized demographic questions which they ask to satisfy legal reporting requirements (in the US)

[peak halo]

when I worked at starbucks, they did an internal survey to figure out how many employees were LGBT, but I think it was more like, someone in C suite just started wondering "just how gay are we exactly?"

[regal axle]

That feels different though. I can see real reasons to want to have a census. Not saying its a good way to do it. But I can understand it.

[fast fossil]

Bold of you to assume they know what they're doing, now thinking about it, this sounds like AI has generated those questions and they just didn't care

I was referring to you saying "hard to say why they did it without talking to them", like talking to them would help (which, to me, implies they know why they did what they did)

[regal axle]

It felt very intentional. Even if the exact wording wasn't

[kindred oyster]

fr
it felt like "we dont believe in race discrimination, btw , whats ur race ? "

like bro if you didnt care , you wouldnt ask in the first place

[vapid jay]

hello people, im learning cyber security, could anyone aware tell me how can I link python with it and where to persue it from?

[smoky quest]

A charitable interpretation might be them trying to make the stats questions less boring

[lyric hawk]

Currently work for Apple retail. Learning coding to hopefully move over to SE career with Apple corporate, google, or Meta 🙂‍↕️🫡

[peak halo]

Do they have a program for retail employees to transition to development positions?

[lyric hawk]

Yes and no

[peak halo]

I don't know what to do with this information.

[lyric hawk]

So essentially internally you can experiences where you are in certain roles for 6 months but you need more technical and coding experience for those

[deft herald]

I actually wondered about this too

[white relic]

most dev positions do require some degree of expertise
I wouldn't expect them to take Bob from upselling protection plans in store to developing iphone apps just because he decided he wanted to

[deft herald]

But someone working in the genius bar throughout their time in college for CS might get a leg up on other external candidates maybe?

[regal axle]

ehhhh ... it isn't going to negativly impact you. But it likely won't make any difference. Well I guess if you went into IT or a role more similar to the type of work done at a genius bar, it could help. So ... It depends ™

[deep jackal]

Hi everyone,
I’m preparing for software engineering roles and I don’t have a CS degree. I’ve been learning Python, Django, and building projects, but I’m not sure how to best approach companies as a non degree candidate.
For those who’ve been in a similar situation, what strategies worked for you? (projects, networking, open source, certifications, etc.)
Any advice would mean a lot

[simple gulch]

Hello everyone, hope you all are doing great right now!
Anyone wants to share their view/experience for those that have pivoted their career in their late 20s or 30s?

Recently I tried my best to pursue a data engineer position. Currently I'm enrolling in an online course for the same field and also have applied for several data engineer positions. And of course, lots of rejection (duh). I'm 29 years old btw :3

[smoky quest]

you approach companies the same way than people holding a degree: you make a resume and apply to jobs

[regal ember]

Crazily, similar story here down to the course, only difference is I'm 28.

[digital peak]

Hello everyone, I am here to discuss some career options for a very early coder (me, currently learning the somewhat basics of python).

I'm currently in high school and I really want to get into learning more about it and somewhat mastering it.
I was wondering if anyone had some tips and tricks to help me! Thank you 😊

[pure spindle]

Hello guys

[lucid plover]

12

[lost walrus]

https://roadmap.sh/python

[digital peak]

Thanks! I'll look into it now!

[still condor]

!cleanban @limpid geode TradingView scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @limpid geode permanently.

[vapid jay]

ok im here

[shadow mountain]

hello

[fringe sphinx]

I wouldn't stress too much about the Uni. The next thing is networking - clubs / meet people / etc.

Good networking can make a huge career diff.

[vapid jay]

what if they take me again for spring fall semester of next year

[fringe sphinx]

I dunno, worry about that then

My opinion is - most people don't care about University pedigree unless it's one of the name brands... MIT/Stanford/Harvard/etc. Other a very select few schools, 10 through 10000 doesn't help you significantly.

[vapid jay]

stony brook is rated among those unis

[fringe sphinx]

Not in my judgement, no.

(I'm not saying anything bad about SBU, I'm saying that 99% of the time, I believe nobody cares)

[vapid jay]

ok so currently its ranked 25

[fringe sphinx]

Very much depends what list you look at.

[vapid jay]

https://www.collegeraptor.com/Majors/Details/27.0301/Level/Bachelors-degree/State/All/Applied-Mathematics-General/

[fringe sphinx]

(Plus, ranking doesn't mean jack)

[vapid jay]

according to this site its ranked 7 in usa for 2025 the ranked25 rank was from 2018

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, but that's just some random site with made up ranking.

[vapid jay]

wwhat site is one u trust

[regal axle]

The school mostly matters for your ability to network and meet people (way more than what you learn explicitly)

It is super rare that someone will know the rank of a school and why to care. Unless one of the big name schools as mentioned before. This debate about what rank is a perfect example.

[fringe sphinx]

Ask someone who works in the field the top Universities they can think of. They might name 3-4.

Everything beyond those 3-4 are, in my opinion, the same from a hiring perspective.

(I am not commenting on quality of education, only on the perceived importance of ranking)

[vapid jay]

The Stony Brook AMS major has also been ranked for several years as one of the top five U.S. undergraduate programs in applied mathematics by College Factual, as cited in USA Today. The 2020 ranking is:

               CalTech 1st,    Brown 2nd ,    Stony Brook 3rd ,    Stanford 4th,    and Harvard 5th .

[regal axle]

Agree! The only exception is if the hiring person happened to also go that school 😂. That is about the only time it might matter

[fringe sphinx]

In fact, one of my best software engineer hires was from a terrible state university in farm country. HE said it was terrible, not me.

[vapid jay]

so usa today said stony brook is ranked 3

[fringe sphinx]

Every university is top 10 in some made up category

[regal axle]

I am dead serious. I have no idea what school that is. Never heard of it.
-# ok, I have "heard" the name. Just know nothing at all about the school

[fringe sphinx]

"Best regional program with outdoor tennis courts".

[vapid jay]

stony brook is also ranked in biology and cs among others

not just math

SUNY Stony Brook Biology Rankings SUNY Stony Brook is in the top 10% of the country for biology. More specifically it was ranked #58 out of 901 schools by College Factual.Stony Brook University's undergraduate computer science program was ranked #48 nationally by U.S. News & World Report in a 2025 ranking

[fringe sphinx]

Just consider our opinions here. I'm a hiring manager. I don't care about Uni that much (plus, nobody with a top 3 school ever applies to my company)

[vapid jay]

overall i think its a good uni

[fringe sphinx]

And, from a hiring perspective, nobody looks at "rankings". sorry to clarify - many people don't care about rankings. Some people might, i can't speak for the universe.

[regal axle]

There are reasons to go. Just note that the ranking shouldn't be one of them. At least from the context of getting a job. I think that is important to keep in mind when deciding.
Idk your situation. But going into debt can hurt your future more than the theoretical benefit of going to a big name school.

[vapid jay]

ok i wont care about rankings, ill just worry about my debt

[regal axle]

More important than ranking is your ability to connect with people and do a lot of things while in the school. Clubs, labs, whatever that might be

[vapid jay]

ok thanks

ill join some clubs or something

[fringe sphinx]

Also, if you want to get good at programming, hang out in #python-discussion and participate. You'll learn a lot. I do every day.

[vapid jay]

maybe i can put it on my resume 😄 python - discusson

[fringe sphinx]

lol... my argument would be - it'd give you a broader knowledge base for future interviews.

[vapid jay]

ok got it

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 1314922201438224448 We don't allow advertising. Your post has been removed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @grave raven.

[regal axle]

Important: You must be a parent (of any age child) We want people who care deeply about kids and learning. Lived experience as a parent is essential—our mission is to build things real families want.
This is actually just illegal. Idk what people are doing anymore smh.

[peak halo]

Where did you see this?

[pine sleet]

on a job posting presumably

[regal axle]

Yea, on a job board.

[vestal widget]

If I wanna learn linux thoroughly then ubuntu or centos is more adviced to be used?

[lucid matrix]

Wild posting. That is very illegal

I assume that’s an Ed tech company

[near ocean]

is it illegal? parenthood isnt a protected characteristic

[regal axle]

wow would you look at that
I mean, the job posting wasn't California, so I wonder if there is a state where this is not the case. But either way,,, very interesting

And looking at NY, the law states only the positive case under protection. IE you can't discriminate if they do have a child. But doesn't say anything about not having a child

Either way, this is fishy

[lucid matrix]

I’m phoning a lawyer friend

[true harness]

just because it's not illegal doesn't make it not super weird

[lucid matrix]

seems like the answer is maybe https://www.eeoc.gov/pre-employment-inquiries-and-marital-status-or-number-children

[visual flax]

Is it worth to take a power electronics class as an electrical engineer if I don't need it?

Also how can I get started contributing to open source projects

[peak halo]

Go to the repo for a project, look at the issues tab, see if there's a tag for "good first issue".
It's pretty challenging to contribute to big open source projects, so just keep in mind that you'll need to become familiar with the overall design of the project.

[visual flax]

So glad its not just me, feels like I have to dig deep into a whole bunch of code to truly understand it.

Can you give me some impactful upcoming small ones?

[peak halo]

Yep, you do. Sometimes it takes me a few hours to get my bearings before I can make a change to our own moderation bot.

[peak halo]

I don't know, sorry.

(like I just legitimately don't. The software for this discord server is all I do outside of work.)

[visual flax]

What can I do to gain real life programming experience aside from building robots and trying to control them using ros?

[deft herald]

How was that not a requirement? Pretty sure it was for me like 3rd year

[peak halo]

I started by writing a bunch of scripts that did useless stuff, but which I thought would be fun to write (they were). Then in my first semester studying CS, I got scooped into an AI group, and it just spiraled from there.

[visual flax]

They say it's a technical elective for me.

[visual flax]

So me who did a handful of coding problems and fiddled aroung with a bunch of programming languages not really completing anything useful is still pretty experienced? Because I feel like a terrible programmer who spent huge amounts of time trying to learn how to program

[peak halo]

The time you spend fiddling around is a good thing. Unless you've fallen into the trap of thinking that gaining superficial knowledge in n languages makes you n times better.

I don't know what electrical engineering students should focus on to make themselves more employable

[white relic]

@heavy oasis Hi, we don't permit advertising here. Your post has been removed

[visual flax]

Alright, the time I spent was still better than nothing. I have experience, I'm just not a whiz which is pretty common anyway.

[peak halo]

I mean, how do you know who's a "wiz"?

[heavy oasis]

Sorry, I didn't know this was forbidden here, but as I said, I only need one developer.

[visual flax]

The amazing projects they've madE?

[eternal summit]

I'm a senior at university, I'm looking to land a full time Backend role soon. I'm wondering if I should spend time learning Flask + Python or Java + Springboot, obv python is the easier choice but I assume Java + Springboot would be such a resume booster. I also plan on doing leetcode and really learning and understanding DS + algos and REST APIs

[heavy oasis]

@eternal summit My friend, I think you should start with the most normal one. I would prefer you start with Python because JavaScript is not that easy a language for beginners. Of course, I don't know if you have any experience in programming. Have a good day.

[smoky quest]

Either stack is great. The main thing is to sell yourself as a software engineer, not as a python/java engineer. You could also look at which one is most popular for your target roles/area

[eternal summit]

Yeah I've been seeing all OOP languages really, I'm open to relocation so I'm just mass applying. The only thing I don't like w the python route is missing out on like private fields, static methods and like true "OOP"\

[smoky quest]

I mean, static methods aren't what I could include in true OOP.
but I see what you mean

There are also other interesting languages like rust, ocaml or elixir that can be interesting depending on your location and interests.

[eternal summit]

Yeah true, think I'm going to stick with python to fully understand and grasp concepts in a way that I can translate them + Flask and I also plan on learnign JWT

[wispy ocean]

how do I publish my program like publish it to everyone any suggestions?

[peak halo]

Put it on GitHub

[wispy ocean]

yeah but no useful answers

[strong fox]

Put it on GitHub, and publish it on PyPI.

[smoky quest]

what type of answers were you expecting?

[strong fox]

Does anybody here have any tips or tricks when it comes to applying to Python jobs? I have around 4,000hrs of Python programming experience, but have been struggling to get my first job. I have heard that other people often just mass-apply to as many jobs as possible regardless of how closely related those jobs are to what they actually want to do; is this the only feasible way to find a python programming job right now?

For context, I have been mainly trying to apply to backend-related jobs, which has not been super fruitful as it seems almost all of them require prior experience (even the "entry-level" ones). My dream position would be internal or public developer tooling, but those types of jobs seem to be very rare.

Any tips/help would be greatly appreciated.

[lapis wind]

Go to tech events and meetups

Absolutely the most effective way IMO of getting your foot in the door now days is talk to people at events and talk about stuff you've learnt, know and are interested in

[smoky quest]

can you post an anonymized version of your resume?

[strong fox]

Yeah, will post in a minute

[strong fox]

As an introvert this sounds terrifying lmao, but ill look into it. How do you recommend I actually discover events to go to?

[lapis wind]

Depends on where you live, but there are platforms like Meetup.com

you can get pretty far just searching for "Tech events in <area>" and having a read through and pick out some interesting ones

[strong fox]

Should I blank out github links and stuff like that too?

[smoky quest]

up to you

[strong fox]

@smoky quest Keep in mind that I tailor the resume to each application, so its usually shorter. This is my master resume with everything on it.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QMnEZNk0KhDnYUO8oIQ9RahoJQYMhT5y4qzUAxt6wgY/edit?usp=sharing

This is also the first resume I've made, so if there are any obvious mistakes please let me know 😄

[quartz zealot]

hello, i m new here but i m really interested in coding, I know coding is wide but I m interested in html css javascript python cybersecurity and many more so i want to ask for advice what i should do i m planning on going to the university next year but i dont know what lessons i should get and what i can do later on in my life with coding, can anyone help me with giving advice etc. Thank you

[wispy ocean]

Suggestion for jobs for a teenager

[near ocean]

there are no tech jobs for teenagers besides maybe tech repair

[wispy ocean]

nothing?

[near ocean]

well no of course, unless you have a family business you could work at, why would anyone hire a teenager for software roles

[smoky quest]

Yeah it will be difficult to find.

though you do realize the leap between your two messages:

how do I publish my program like publish it to everyone any suggestions?

To

Suggestion for jobs for a teenager

The context of looking for a job is not established in the first message

[smoky quest]

• Main issue is the lack of degree (ie. bachelor or higher)
• Your work experience is to bulky. It's a blocky single paragraph that is hard to read. So keep it simple and use bullets. Also you don't describe the tech stack or what was difficult
• Skills is non standard a bit too yappy. Keep it simple and stupid. Ideally, your skills should pop up in your projects as you 👏 demonstrate 👏 your 👏 skills 👏

So in the end, it's not that your resume is bad, but that it doesn't stand out in the top 20 resume out of the thousands each job ad receive

[smoky quest]

You can search this channel for previously shared resumes to see what your competition look like

[strong fox]

So a BS is really that important?

[white relic]

it's pretty important

[strong fox]

damn

[smoky quest]

you would have to make it up with strong projects to demonstrate equivalent skills, which you do not at this time

[strong fox]

What would be considered a strong project?

[smoky quest]

I don't mean to call people out, but why would I call you back when I receive resumes like <#career-advice message>?

It means you need to develop projects equivalent or stronger

[strong fox]

Damn. Didn't realize I needed stuff like that for a first-time job

[smoky quest]

It's not school anymore where passing grades are enough. I am only gonna look at the top 20 out of thousands, so passing resumes won't do

Aim to be in the top 20. Best case, you succeed, and worst case, you are in the top 100 but get to get called back for lower tier jobs

[strong fox]

And the projects don't need to be fully-featured, they just need to demonstrate knowledge in a field, correct?

[smoky quest]

yeah, no one will care about their nature (just avoid controversial stuff). They don't have to have users either.
It's only about 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏

[strong fox]

I see

I think that's why I was worried lmao. When I work on projects, they tend to be like a thousand lines of code, with all the bells and whistles. That is what I was imagining lol

[smoky quest]

yeah, it's difficult to get into depth within a thousand lines

Another way to look at it is like imagine all your classmates apply to the same job than you. Why would the company call you back specifically? What makes you stand out comparing to all your classmates?

And given the state of the market today, it's more like your entire school applies to the same job than you

[strong fox]

Yeah

And should my projects be focused on demonstrating skills using specific libraries, or more general concept knowledge (e.g. a basic ETL pipeline)

[smoky quest]

it depends. Probably a bit of both

[strong fox]

Makes sense. And final question - I saw someone else mention that my resume (at least the one tailored to an application) should be one page. Is this generally true?

[near ocean]

its culture dependent

for example in the UK and US its usually a single page

[smoky quest]

yep. You don't have the experience to justify more than one page.
Given that recruiters receive thousands of resumes, they have very little time to decide who to call back. You should assume the rule of thumb of 30-45s to make a decision. That means you should consider that single page as a creative constraint to force yourself to convince someone to call you back in such short amount of time

[strong fox]

Alright, thanks for all the help yall 😄

[open ivy]

Automation will accelerate in agriculture. Given how horrible manual farm work is combined with the loss of immigrants to do it, there won't be any choice!

Robots in soil and muddy environments is tricky. So programmers will be needed.

I hope my physics engine portfolio project will come in handy.

[fringe sphinx]

My general opinion is: your projects should be about learning, not about the resume. In other words: the bad approach is to just do projects to pad your resume. The good approach is to do projects for personal growth and to challenge yourself... which is what employers are really looking for.

[regal axle]

Not sure the context here … but the mass industrialization and automation of farms has been going on for many years now. Recent political movements won’t change that. Maybe consolidate the farms even more

[strong fox]

Yeah, that makes sense. I think the hard part will be finding something that is actually challenging, whilst also sounding impressive lol

E.g., learning how to build custom sphinx extensions that add custom parsing logic is quite a challenge, but it doesn't really sound flashy

[smoky quest]

start digging and it will come.
Creativity is not a eureka moment in your bath, it's a muscle you exercise.
To that end:

• Just write down your ideas. The first few will be obvious but you need to write them down to get them out of your head.
• Do some research and experimentation. Read papers.

If all else fails, fall back on standard problems (distributed systems, implementing databases, compilers, etc.). Or copy a popular service

[red hawk]

Hi! I have a question that everyone rarely asks. In software development in general for a job, what criteria do we need? We want responses from experience, not theory/research based.

[manic drum]

hello guys im new here

im looking to learn python to become a data analyst/data scientist , i dont know anything abt python

[proud briar]

Hey, guessing hiring devs here is probably forbidden in general (or this channel seems to be the closest to general) is there a dedicated channel for that? Or not

[proud glacier]

nowhere on this server, sorry

[proud briar]

Then what’s the point of this server

[proud glacier]

to discuss Python.

[proud briar]

Come to think of it you’ve got like 400,000 members here — wouldn’t it make sense to allow / encourage it to add jobs to the economy in general? I bet a lot of people would come here to see if anyone’s hiring

[proud glacier]

once you add hiring or the selling of paid services in general into something you host on your platform, there is a lot of moderation burden that comes with managing such a marketplace responsibly. there are already external platforms which are specialized in that area. it doesn't make that much sense for us to redo it here at great cost and at poorer quality.

[proud briar]

Fair point

[spiral sierra]

Could some1 tell me how to programming with python

[white relic]

This is the channel for discussing career advice and questions about employment.
You can get general Python advice in #python-discussion , or see #❓｜how-to-get-help if you have a more specific Python problem you're solving

[fringe sphinx]

Don't worry about sounding challenging. Everything seems easy after you've done it! The important part is that you later reflect on what you learned: this is what makes it useful at interviews.

[lilac yoke]

(Assuming entry level) a bachelors degree in computer science, previous internship experience, relevant display of domain knowledge (software is a broad area, have a specific niche that is valuable to companies)

[static rain]

i didnt knew that python got a discord community 🙂 nd hi, I'm new here

hey

hez

[minor cedar]

Sup

[sly loom]

So ya ig I'm feeling weak towards it

[fringe sphinx]

Welcome. #python-discussion is the main channel for talking coding, fyi.

[shadow mountain]

@ jin I think you'll find most jobs involve mostly screen time these days

[sly loom]

And feels like i did a mistake but afterr i think i wasted my time maybe it wasn't that hard but i missed things and whixh made it harder for future

But anyway how r u guys finding it? And did u guys completed your degrees,

[shadow mountain]

I certainly understand if you feel like your eyes need a break or you're tired of sitting

[fringe sphinx]

I completed my degrees many years ago. I like the field of computer science and software engineering, but that's just me.

[sly loom]

I'm glad u liked it Billy, hope u build something of your own if u haven't already: )

[sly loom]

Ya grey, that and just not mentally prepare ig, and just got a mental breakdown today so maybe that's why

[fringe sphinx]

I have, many times 🙂

I hope you do too.... but -

Programming is hard. Engineering is hard. You sometimes feel underwater and lost.

This feeling is fairly normal... sometimes you just have to stumble your way through and it all makes sense later

[sly loom]

Ya i believe so : ), thanks for ur time

I'm go get some water and listen to something good

[fringe sphinx]

but - hang out in #python-discussion and ask technical questions. We are beginner friendly.

[sly loom]

Arigato ya

[zealous quarry]

Hi yall so im thinking about getting into ai development, after learning python where should i start?

[molten spoke]

this isn't appropriate for this community, apologies

[wraith harbor]

Do you think the calendar months effect hiring by a lot, or other market forces impact it so much to where it doesn't matter?

[vapid jay]

hello. does anyone know where I can be a junior network engineer in the United states???

[wraith harbor]

Have you been searching on job boards? Any interviews yet?

[vapid jay]

Yeah I've been looking on job boards. no interviews yet fresh out of college

[wraith harbor]

Feel free to post an anonymized resume here for review, most likely it's your resume or lack of projects holding you back. It's rough out there for everyone though so don't get demoralized

[vapid jay]

I need to pass the urine tests for a lot of them

[wraith harbor]

Seems like an easy problem to solve

[stone eagle]

Yo what is the system engineer role in companies
What should I learn ?
Any suggestions?

[icy citrus]

i love python

[red hawk]

Thank you!

[strong lava]

I managed to land a university internship/research program, didn't expect to get one so early
I feel like it's quite early for me to start thinking about this, but what should I do to complement the experience I'll (hopefully) get and maximize my career opportunities in the long term? I know there's the obvious stuff - make projects that demonstrate your skills, but I haven't really been able to think of any hard-hitting ones ever since I started uni

[peak halo]

@vapid jay your message was removed because it was against the rules

[shadow mountain]

hope you're feeling better today

[shy willow]

question for the hive: Is living in the Bay Area, e.g. being physically present in proximity of all the people there, afford you a competitive advantage over living in, say Austin? (slow mode is ruining this possible conversation)

[near ocean]

It depends on how resistant bay area startups and other companies are to remote work
I would imagine they'd be incredibly resistant, so yes you'd have an advantage being there physically

That doesnt mean move there in the hope you find a job, its really expensive

[shy willow]

I think that venture capital prefers that the team be literally together, which is what you might be referring to

[wraith harbor]

SF companies will prefer you to be there. But there are surely lots of companies in Austin too

[rugged path]

hello guys
i am a hacking expert and i can teach hacking real hacking for you with a much lower price than the online courses, plus practice and supprt and i will guide you through all your road to ethical hacking journey thank you.

[peak halo]

!warn @rugged path your message was removed for advertising

[inner wren]

:x: The user doesn't appear to be on the server.

[peak halo]

Good.

[tawdry pond]

how much python would i need to know to become a software engineer

i studied it at gcse and i'd say i understand almost all of that

[smoky quest]

Are you a first year in university?

[strong lava]

yes

[smoky quest]

then give yourself a break to focus on the classes. It's a new world with new expectations and a lot of new information thrown at you.
So give yourself ~3 months to adjust to that.

Then in terms of projects, you can dive deeper in the classes and have projects related to them

[fringe sphinx]

Agree with ^, and: the best thing you can do is be curious. Talk to people. Talk to professors. Don't compare yourself, just absorb everything.

[novel quartz]

First resume what should I put

[west fractal]

I can work remotely

[kindred oyster]

<@&831776746206265384>

[still condor]

@remote cloud Your message was removed, please read our rules (6 and 9) and the channel description.

[fiery gull]

I need help

[peak halo]

nobody can help you unless you say what your question is

[unique quail]

yo

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384> scam

[spice flare]

not scam

[near ocean]

Its literally fraud

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 675890991877586974 This isn't a job board. Hiring and recruiting are not allowed anywhere on this server. See our #rules . Your post has been removed

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @spice flare.

[spice flare]

oh, I am sorry.

[silver kindle]

beyond a 'traditional' dev/programmer role, which other careers are people in here using Python within (AI engineering and scientific utilisation maybe a given)

[regal axle]

People also have jobs outside of SWE/CS and then automate tasks with programming.
More like they use programming to be more efficient at their job, whatever that might be.

[silver kindle]

looking more for job roles and those experienced in them to get their first hand experiences

[kindred oyster]

any computer related field can have potential for python tooling/automation
its a vague question. its like asking "what do people use excel for except for traditional data entry jobs"

[silver kindle]

no not vague, if those working in those jobs are able to reply, then would be helpful to me

[kindred oyster]

well i mostly do embedded dev

but whenever i need something to get working really quickly , i use python

For example , the other day i was programming a microcontroller and i needed to inspect the file system on it and the IDE didnt have the feature for download , it only had feature to upload stuff to microcontroller . so a quick python script did the job

there are countless examples i can think of where i can use python even though i dont use python "directly" for the job

one of the main tools for the popular ESP32 microcontroler, the esptool is written in python for example

[silver kindle]

ok that makes sense, thats the kind of reply I'm interested in

I'm an indirect user also but would prefer a role where I get to use python daily as a part of my toolbox

reason for my questions to others to see their experiences

[kindred oyster]

i have seen people in embedded use it all the time.
i have a network of few sensors that log data onto SD card .
its tidious to manually get those log files from SD card to my computer , then clean them and visualzie them , prolly gonna end up using a python script for it

[silver kindle]

yes I use it as a 'personal' tool to assist in my daily role, much the same, tidying logs, elements of deploys to remove tedious manual intervention, had one 'big' project to work with a deployment API for a hypervisor, really enjoyed it, but after that the project got sidelined

[last harness]

Hey, I am thinking about building a platform for providing GPUs to developers and enterprises so can anybody tell me about some python libraries and resources which I can use to fine-tune GPUs for testing 🙂

[peak halo]

can you describe in your own words what it means to fine-tune a GPU?

[mental sage]

I wanna get into cybersecurity/software engineering

[near ocean]

It depends on the project
Why couldnt you type out the question btw? We're not here for lazy conversation

[west fractal]

I'm confused

Idk what to do

[near ocean]

Its pretty clear cut

1. Degree
2. Internships
3. Projects and some leetcode type DSA
4. Applications

[strong fox]

Hey everyone! I have been trying to come up with some decent projects I could put on my resume, and would love some feedback. I have listed them here. I have opened it to comments, so it should be possible to comment directly on the doc itself (although feedback here in discord is welcome as well). Thanks in advance!

[dawn lagoon]

The name is Evelyn, I am trying to get an internship on tech or finance sector does anyone have any tips on passing interviews?

[fringe sphinx]

"tech or finance" is a pretty broad topic. Anything in particular?

What's your major?

[dawn lagoon]

My major is CS

But I am trying to find a good combo for my minor

[fringe sphinx]

My usual advice is - read your resume and be prepared for the easy questions.

Everyone stresses about the hard questions, but get tripped up on "tell me about yourself"

[dawn lagoon]

Yeah, that part is actually the hardest when your a first time trying to get into the work force.

[fringe sphinx]

It takes actual practice... but if you practice, you'l;l be good.

Same with reviewing your resume. If you put a project on it, expect to be asked abou tit.

[red drift]

Sorry, an off-topic (I couldn't find a 'general' channel to ask that).
I'm thinking to restore running an online syncs for UX and coding (group voice calls), 1-2 times a week. Is there a proper place on this server to announce such sessions, when scheduled?

Some communities/servers see that as a bad move: a highly likely spam, or an encouragement to leave a server, etc. Asking here hoping not to annoy anybody.

[fringe sphinx]

I have no idea what you're asking. What are you asking?

If it's an advertisement, we don't allow those.

[red drift]

Last year I organized 3-4 person group calls for anyone who wanted to make progress on their (separate) pet projects or just practice coding. I did it to help myself and others to stay focused on coding, as sometimes it is easier to stay focused in a group rather than on our own. Some people joined to learn more about coding – either by asking for a direct feedback or by listening and watching what others do.

It's a free, non-profit, no-promotion activity led by a single individual. I don't know what exactly is considered as an advertisement on this server. My question is: would it be OK to announce such group calls somewhere on this server, if I schedule some again the upcoming weeks?

[rose leaf]

Hi Guys
im a full stack developer i want to switch my career to AI side ---> AI/ML engineer where do i start or the AI/ML or both are same what should i choose here

[last harness]

Specifically optimizing GPUs for different industries and developers to give them compute to render their files

[west fractal]

grandmaster

[dull pivot]

Hello guys I'm a python developer focusing on backend dev job roles. Can anyone refer me some remote roles?

[dusk mortar]

Hi there, I’ve been working as a full-stack engineer for several years, focusing on building scalable web platforms and data-driven applications.
Most of my projects use Python, JavaScript/TypeScript, React, Next.js, and Tailwind on the front, with Django, FastAPI, or Node on the back, plus SQL and cloud deployments.
I’ve delivered systems like analytics dashboards, automation tools, and enterprise web apps, and I am looking for a new position as work as senior developer.

[copper thistle]

i really want a job, i'm ready for both backend and frontend roles, i really want a job, i'm jobless, i've never had a job, i want to earn and have a job

[still dome]

I feel you bro, I also been trying to have a job but it seems in my country the only way to have a job at programming is you develop really useful app or dapps and it is really not worth your time if you're just aiming for a day to day survival this is the generation my programming in python will die supposedly i make a miracle or some divine intervention that will lead me to my calling as a python programmer.

[regal axle]

The market here in America is really rough. Bad time all around. I am fighting for my life to find a job.
Yes, people are hiring. Just not as many.
-# I am not a JR and have had work

[silver flare]

If you live in a good city like New York or London, you can sell apps & websites to local businesses such as hotels, cafes and bakery.

I'm not fully sure but i have seen many jobless people doing this.

[near ocean]

No you cant
This is simply not a thing in big cities

[fast fossil]

You sure? Why? Is it more of a thing of smaller cities? How small?

[near ocean]

Small enough where you wont find studios/companies offering tons more services to local business and with better marketing and reach than some random solo dev

[fast fossil]

Hmm, I suppose competing with businesses as a sole dev in the same niche is rather tough, worth a shot though? Perhaps

[near ocean]

I think its about as worth it as trying to compete with people on fiverr

[fast fossil]

Maybe, but going to a store and pitching this in person might have a bit of a greater success ratio than random people on Fiverr
Also, a local, small business wanting to support another local, small business (or in this case, a single dev) might help
Certainly can try to appeal to that

[near ocean]

People are welcome to try it, i think they'd go hungry this way

[silver flare]

hmmmm

[silver flare]

yeah i also think that

[fast fossil]

No, I certainly don't think it's a long-term solution (for most people), but as a side hustle (also something to put on the CV as relevant work experience), why not, perhaps, the advice should not include what kind of a city it should be, simply that you can go and try pitching this to businesses in your area
Though regarding long-term solutions, someone would have to maintain the site/app, which could be you and they could pay you a certain monthly fee for that, I dunno
Methinks I might be veering off topic for what your initial point was even about

[proud glacier]

are you taking a class in compiler design at university?

[near ocean]

Side hustle or not, its a job and it doesnt work like that otherwise we'd be recommending people walk around the high street and give businesses their tech CV, which we dont, because thats kind of boomer coded
People dont get jobs that way anymore

[silver flare]

I think, it doesn't really makes sense debate on this topic and waste our time let's end this debate and save our precious time to invest it in Programming.

[near ocean]

My time isn't precious lmao, im on company time right now

[west fractal]

Yes

[silver flare]

Wow great, but mine is

[frail lance]

https://tenor.com/view/chit-office-the-office-tiktok-viral-gif-17649255240941579170

[solid parcel]

Just crunching the numbers

[strong fox]

@smoky quest @fringe sphinx Would yall be able to take a quick look at the projects I've listed to see if anything sticks out?

[near ocean]

Can you list them here? Google docs might give names out accidentally

[proud glacier]

<@&831776746206265384>

[azure heart]

!ban 253715666346049536 seems like you're just here to advertise

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @granite lodge permanently.

[fringe sphinx]

Hi, this is not a job board... we just talk about careers and stuff. See the channel description.

[craggy fog]

ok guys so next year ill be in high school but idk where to go

i love cars, but im scared that i might lose interest in it, imagine what happens if i lose my interest

that would disapoint my parents

but i dont want to go to a general high school too

because i wanna go somewhere where i love, i love cars

[strong fox]

You remain anonymous while viewing - only commenting reveals your name (hence why I mentioned that people are welcome to give feedback on discord instead).

[pine sleet]

high school is not like college where you pick and choose where you go (i mean you can, but most kids just go to their local HS)

[deft herald]

I know you're still pretty young, but as you grow into adulthood, IMO you should not let this influence your own interests

[pine sleet]

Are you in the US?

If so, outside of some specific classes as an elective you won’t really take any classes specifically for your interest

[fast fossil]

I think they might be referring to vocational schools

[junior bronze]

Stupid question but, I’ll be going to college for computer engineering and I’m trying to be more familiar with these stuff and learn the basics of coding, are the cs50 courses from Harvard worth spending my time on? Right now im reading automate the boring stuff with python 2nd edition

(Honestly I’m clueless on what to do before uni starts)

[pine sleet]

ah, i see

[pine sleet]

cs50 is a good course and will help for sure

[warped saffron]

@junior bronze Honestly I recommend focusing on trying to build something you're interested in. You can learn the theory at college but your personal projects are where you learn the stuff that'll get you a job 😉

[junior bronze]

The problem is I don’t even know the basics yet, I have 2 months to prepare and I don’t want to waste time, but I don’t know where to start

[warped saffron]

I was in an almost identical situation to you like 13 years ago, with 2 months to prepare and almost zero programming knowledge 😄 I worked through Learn Python The Hard Way and it got me to a decent place by the time I started uni. Really depends on what you want to learn, how much time you want to commit, and how you prefer learning. CS50 might be better if you don't like reading through books!

[regal axle]

You aren’t expected to know everything before school starts. Or really, you aren’t expected to know anything. It helps a ton. And to get the most out of college, is what you do outside of class. Not in it.
But don’t stress too much over not knowing the basics. Learn what you can. No rush and no pressure. You still have time before you can do your major classes anyways. (You need to do core classes and pre requisites)

[wraith harbor]

Either the book or the course are equally good options it's just what you prefer.

[marsh flax]

hi im 16 and just started learning python. im really interested in AI/ML its fun to teach machine but im wondering is it possible to get a job in this field at some point? How long do you think it might take before im ready for a role like that?

[pine sleet]

it is possible, however you should be aware that a lot of machine learning jobs typically require at least a masters

it's a very educationally intensive field

[marsh flax]

yeah i got so much time to master it

[smoky quest]

They meant the degree

[marsh flax]

cant i just reach the ceo's out directly lol

[pine sleet]

if the company is small, sure. but they'll still probably want you to have a master's degree at least

[smoky quest]

Each job ad receives thousands of applications. Why would they want to answer your calls when they have thousands of other people with masters degree, great internships and awesome projects?

[junior linden]

hi people, I have this project in trading stocks in a site using virtual money. its nothing really specialized, its just a general math subject and we can trade using whatever strategy we want. however I want to make this an opportunity to use data science via python and as a personal project too, maybe I can predict or analyze stocks? can yall recommend a way I can use it? I heard machine learning models cant be reliable, especially for non experienced people.

[regal axle]

!rule 6 9

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[ebon belfry]

Ok so where can i post that and/or get approved? I m not a robot and i m not proposing something fake at all. I am right now owner of a subnet in bittensor community which some of you may have heard and looking for a strong skilled developers. Thank you for your help to redirect me to the right process.

[regal axle]

Most generally, it isn't allowed in this server. For many various reasons. But if you really want to shoot your shot, message @severe widget

[little mauve]

Any tips on learning python for bionformatics

[undone phoenix]

looking to build a resume for a Generative AI Engineer job post, do you guys know where I should look ?

[near jetty]

You probably won’t find much materials like that. But in general you should learn python as a programming language and exercise your logic skills through it. Once you do that you will be able to modeling programs based on your necessities in bioinformatics. Eventually even building AI models through libraries. But for now, you should focus on building your knowledge on programming logic with python. Like variables and data types, conditionals, loops, functions, classes. This is the barebones approach for building programs. You can find many resources online that teaches you these concepts. I would recommend codecademy they have a course on python 3 and it’s an interactive course where you will be able to learn the theory but also practice it with each lesson.

[mossy helm]

This is true, but you can absolutely learn in-situ, working on bioinformatics problems while learning python fundamentals. @little mauve - what sort of data do you want work with, sequencing data?

Good starting points are scRNAseq / bulkRNAseq vingettes. Look through scanpy, download a scRNAseq dataset like PBMC 5K, and try and follow the vignette. They are perfect for learning python fundamentals that @near jetty sets out, and standard processing pipelines.

[near jetty]

Very informative. Thanks for sharing!

[paper shale]

We all appreciate you

[west fractal]

Why companies prefer top tier coders over others?

[near ocean]

Why do companies prefer better developers over worse ones?
Is that a real question

[west fractal]

I mean grandmaster

those leetcoders, codeforces, codechef ones

[near ocean]

You need to get over your obsession with DSA, you'll never make it this way

[west fractal]

I'm asking why do they prefer

[near ocean]

Because they smash their technical rounds, why else

Who even said they are preferred anyway
(Dont link a linkedin post)

[smoky quest]

what about tiktoks?

[near ocean]

Tiktoks in #career-advice should get you an immediate ban, no reason stated

[unreal flame]

Yoo guys, I'm kinda “new” in coding but I would say that I'm a fast learner… I know this channel is only for career discussions, advices with Python etc… but is it real to find some freelancer, work for him (on his smaller projects I would say) and work flexibly? It's just a question, not looking straight for the jo*s (dont know if this word is automatically banned xd). Or is this just a dream or myth nowadays?

[near ocean]

Its basically a dream, the closest you could get would be a full remote job but those are rare nowadays and usually reserved for more senior people who have leverage

[peak halo]

You don't really "work for freelancers". you'd have to be a freelancer with whom the "senior freelancer" subcontracts part of the work. and I've never heard of that happening, because anything simple enough that an experienced freelancer could delegate to a junior, they could just do it themselves quickly.

[solid parcel]

Freelancing is a nightmare more often than not. People are hard. Clients do not know how to articulate what they want, nor understand how difficult it is to achieve.

On top of that, you now have to clear both LLMs and cutprice devs (some of which are bloody good!) in places like India as your minimum bar to even be in the running for work. Adding in what is basically sub-contracting sounds like all of the above, but with even less money coming back to you.

[unreal flame]

Yeah, I thought so… I guess my only chance now is to focus on smaller projects like apps or games (simple ones), create portfolio from it, sign as a freelancer on sites like fiverr or upwork and do some “devlogs” on socials… I saw guys who also starting with new skills creating a successful journey combined from other skill they already learned, like video editng, marketing knowledge etc

[solid parcel]

If it's possible, imo a hybrid role is often much more achievable, reliable, less stressful and tends to provide substantially higher comp than low-level freelancing.

[unreal flame]

I agree, I chat with one guy like a year ago and these days I was in reverse engineering... he was freelancer and he wanted me for smaller projects with small comissions like 10-15% but these days I was working for someone else so...

[unreal flame]

That makes sense but isnt it also a problem of both sides? As a freelancer you should know the skill youre providing and also have a skill with talking people, yeah I was a "freelancer" when I was doing 3d and it was pain but I guess it was also my problem, bcs I was younger with no experiences

[unreal flame]

What exactly do you mean by hybrid role?

[solid parcel]

I'm not entirely understanding what you mean by it being a problem of both sides?

[solid parcel]

Full time employed role, part time in the office. Means you're only competing with other local devs rather than globally, and tends to pay a hell of a lot better than ad-hoc freelancing.

[unreal flame]

As a freelancer its all about communication between you and clients, if client cant express his ideas to you, its disaster... but also if you cant provide bette communication, has patience and many other things, its also a disaster... hope you get it like that xD

[unreal flame]

Nowadays its all about attention, if you figure it out how to be successful on socials and you also have a years of experiences in your skill niche, youre competing 1%...

If Im saying BSs, stop me alr? xDD

Or do you know QUITTR app? it created two 20yo guys and made a ton of money in first months, they didnt even have experiences in coding, just idea and marketing skills

[solid parcel]

100%. Agreed communication from your side matters hugely too. Unfortunately, that has no bearing on the other caveats I mentioned.

If your goal is to have flexibility and earn an income from tech, I'd typically recommend putting time into learning rather than trying to freelance. Freelance work is exhausting because at least until you've built up a strong reputation, you need to put a lot of hours into selling yourself in order to get work.

[unreal flame]

"just idea" (know its hard to create smthing rare nowadays

[smoky quest]

don't conflate lottery winners for your average person

[solid parcel]

Certainly possible, but also an example of survivorship bias. You haven't seen the hundreds of thousands of others who similarly tried to create the next big app, by virtue of them having failed.

Fwiw I think a touch of arrogance can be useful when starting out. Try and sometimes fail, rather than preemptively giving up. By all means, give freelancing a go. Perhaps you'll make a fantastic success of it. Just go in eyes wide open- it's not an easy thing!

[smoky quest]

but don't drop out of college for the hopes of being the next elon musk

[unreal flame]

Yeah, youre right... but why it didnt work for them? it wasnt about idea, they could have better ideas than most of us...

[unreal flame]

:(((

[smoky quest]

if you are good, imagine how much better you would be with a proper education!

[unreal flame]

Agree, thanks for that man, you can learn smthing only from try/fail... if you accumulate a ton of informations before you even start, you will burn out very quickly, I know what Im talking about xD

[unreal flame]

Or more try/fail strategies

[smoky quest]

not at all. That's quite inefficient.
Imagine trying to learn gravity or cosine by try/fail strategy when you could just reach a chapter in the appropriate book in 1h

Throwing thousands of apples for hours does not guarantee you will succeed either

[unreal flame]

I also agree with that, if you have a very clear way to learn it faster than try/fail, do it... tbh coding is a bad example for try/fail xD

[smoky quest]

Coding is a great example for not doing try/fail

[unreal flame]

Sure, headless try/fail is also a disaster, you have to think about it

[smoky quest]

Why waste time thinking about things you don't need to think about?

Work smart, not hard

[unreal flame]

My words

Its slightly turning into philosophy now

[smoky quest]

yet many kids come here thinking they can get the same opportunities by watching a few youtube videos instead of getting a proper education. So it bears repeating it

[unreal flame]

We should pin it here xd

[solid parcel]

Commit 1: fix
Commit 2: actual fix
Commit 3: fix fix

No try/fail here 😉

[unreal flame]

Alright guys, thanks for your time and all those advice, now Im a little bit smarter then before... @solid parcel @smoky quest (sorry for mention 🙂

[solid parcel]

Final thing: As a rule of thumb, I'd recommend working out your desired goal and working backwards from there. I suspect freelancing is something you're considering as a means to an end rather than the end itself.

If you can work out clearly where you're trying to get to, it'll be easier for people to give more specific guidance about how to get there.

[unreal flame]

Last question, I promise man xd... where can I get that proper education? I guess some physical books in specific coding lang but is there any actually valuabe coding educations in online sphere?

[smoky quest]

A degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[unreal flame]

Youre right, I should start with that in beginning... my goal in coding is not a freelancing or smthing like that... I have some small hustles in different niches and I wanna learn new skills, now its a coding... Im looking for small job not smthing big, for someone I guess, where Ill be able to make some cash but the main thing is to "learn how to code" (where Ill be able to create an apps or games completely by myself, not with AI help, I know its a future, but I still wanna learn it by myself, to reach that time where youll be able to say that youve build smthing valuable - even if its just for yourself)

[unreal flame]

In my eyes, school can teach you only some basics, if you dont know what you wanna do but you know what way(niche) you wanna go, its perfect... but from my experiences, you will learn, really learn, things by yourself, your own projects and internet... dont really need school

[solid parcel]

https://pll.harvard.edu/course/cs50s-introduction-programming-python Python is an excellent language to pick up as it's flexible, widely used and fairly simple compared to others. This is a fantastic course to get you started with understanding the fundamentals of the language.

[unreal flame]

Thanks man, I appreciate that

[smoky quest]

There are two things to note:

• what makes you think school will not make you really learn?
• Let's assume you read a bunch of textbooks and make projects on your own. Then how are you going to demonstrate these skills on your resume that will be read in at most 30-45s to convince the reviewer to call you back for an interview? Each job ad receives thousands of applicants, most of whom have relevant degrees, great internships and awesome projects

[solid parcel]

This is all valid, but there's a large opportunity cost to going to uni, and the gap in expected earnings between grads and non-grads has been narrowing for years.

I'm a massive fan of apprenticeships as a model, so you can learn, earn and acquire a qualification all at the same time.

[smoky quest]

I still observe a massive gap though.
The way I would explain it is that the lower end jobs have opened up more to people without degree. But the non-lower end is still a massive hurdle for anyone without it

Like hiring a bootcamp/self taught for a fullstack to add velocity; absolutely!
But not so much for a compiler engineering team

so throughput vs expertise

[solid parcel]

Interesting to hear that. I've found getting a foot in the door is the hardest part for most. The longer you're in the industry, the less weight education has. Professional experience tends to outweigh it quickly.

[unreal flame]

Its my perspective, maybe you learned all you need from school, thats great... Im not here to fight xD

Again, Im new in coding, maybe physical schools are good for future developers but in overall, teachers who teaching those skill never made smthing big in their lifes... for example in business university in my country, ohh and also maybe it depends on country/continent, but we had a teacher who had small, not successful business which crashed after few months/maybe years, since then he didnt do smthing bigger... and I know its the same on other universities... but maybe in coding, its valuabe, so I dont wanna lie here

With the 2nd point, youre talking exactly what I was talking about... If your goal is to work in some great companies like Google etc, school is for you... they will learn you how to impress the person who give you a job, help you to create a resume and many other things, I agree with you... then you should go to school and learn it there...

[solid parcel]

Ha, I have a distrust of bootcamps generally. They tend to charge a lot, promise the moon, have sneaky little clauses to stop you clawing your money back if you don't land a role after (many bootcamps guarantee that you will), prioritise buzzwords over real learning (e.g. throwing beginners into Kubernetes before they have decent fundamentals, because it's marketable), and hurl through content so quickly that you don't get a chance to actually embed and retain the things you're covering, meaning you're left only understanding how to follow along by rote.

[smoky quest]

It's like compound interest.
The person with a degree will get better opportunities, which means better jobs, which means access to even better jobs, which means etc,
The self taught will start from lower, which might give them access to better opportunities, but not as good as the educated one since they have not started at the same level.

And add on top of that self-taught skip school for a reason and will seldom read any textbook. Which means that they will like the computational thinking skills and abstract skills an educated person has had hammered in their head by doing all this math and abstract stuff. That is the main limiter I see in the field to their success

[smoky quest]

To be clear, this is not about my personal experience. This is what I see in the field across hundreds/thousands of people.
the BLS also has stats to back that up in terms of education vs compensation

[smoky quest]

With the 2nd point, youre talking exactly what I was talking about... If your goal is to work in some great companies like Google etc, school is for you... they will learn you how to impress the person who give you a job, help you to create a resume and many other things, I agree with you... then you should go to school and learn it there...

Unfortunately, this is not how it works

but I have a meeting and will have to disappear. Pof

[unreal flame]

Alright, its okay man

[solid parcel]

100% agreed re. abstract thinking, problem solving and strong fundamentals being extremely important.

[unreal flame]

Yeah and all that means that I still have a lot to learn :))

Thats exactly how my parents think... nowadays you need a degree to be a well-payed employee... but if you dont, you have so many opportunities nowadays

[lime cargo]

Where can I find Python chat?

[unreal flame]

#python-discussion I guess

[unreal flame]

Back to this one man, with my goal in coding, you would recommend me just to go thru courses, implement what Ive learn and then create some smaller project? so that's better than looking for smaller job?

[solid parcel]

Imo the core fundamentals to be able to start building are a basic understanding of networking, programming and operating systems (primarily Linux). If you take a look at CS50 and CS50 Python (yes, they're different), that'll get you a good way toward that goal.

Once you've got the fundamentals, I recommend building a basic three tier app, and then following the fun. There's a ton you can do to expand a basic app. Adding tests, automating deployment, setting up cloud infrastructure to run it via IaC, performance optimisation, adding additional functionality to the app itself.... You can go in pretty much any direction. Just get something out there, and dive deeper into the parts that are interesting you most.

I'd recommend starting to build sooner rather than later. There are some basic exercises through CS50 that I'd massively recommend you do. Some beginners get stuck in 'tutorial hell', where all they do is follow endless tutorials by rote without actually learning how to apply the concepts themselves.

[wraith harbor]

if youre going to apply without a degree, you'll need projects that are more impressive than the ones people with degrees have. that will take you a long time with self study

[unreal flame]

Thank you man

[unreal flame]

Does exist some sort of websites or smthing similar to see the global projects?

[stoic sequoia]

Hey Python fam 👋 If your startup needs to be listed or updated on Google Maps (address, phone, images, etc.), ping me https://Map2Map.com — happy to help pro bono.

[deft herald]

Don't you need to like, receive some physical mail from google and update it on your own account? Why would I trust a 3rd party with doing this?

[solid parcel]

Noooo, it's trustworthy! They have AI generated text on their website, and an AI generated 'review' from a happy customer on their 8 follower Linkedin page. What more could you want?

[deft herald]

By the way, the forcible overwriting of the mouse cursor appearance and speed is horrible for accessibility.

And that's the nice way of saying it's annoying af

[dusk mortar]

Hi there, I’ve been working as a full-stack engineer for several years, focusing on building scalable web platforms and data-driven applications.
Most of my projects use Python, JavaScript/TypeScript, React, Next.js, and Tailwind on the front, with Django, FastAPI, or Node on the back, plus SQL and cloud deployments.
I’ve delivered systems like analytics dashboards, automation tools, and enterprise web apps, and I am looking for a new position as work as senior developer.

[peak halo]

you can't ask for jobs here. you can only ask for advice in looking for jobs.

[pastel thunder]

I am at faangma
I have exceptional impression over team and beyond, and in a long term internship program (1 year) is coming to end in 2.5 months. So, either my internship can be extended/revoked or can be converted to full time after 2.5 months.

There are two performance meet in year and second one is in November.

I also want to apply to masters.

**When is the best time and chronology for asking

1. whether I will be converted to full time or not
2. for an LOR

I think asking for LOR will reduce my chance to full time conversion (they will think I will leave).**

Yesterday, a person (intern) was told his internship wont be extend (his 1 year completion will be in November so he was told less than 2 months before). His impact was very low in team. I learnt this news from my manager (not sure why he told me 1-1).

I think I should ask for LOR asap, so that he think learning about someone else made me ask for master's LOR, to have a back up option.

[peak halo]

@pastel thunder what do you want to focus on in grad school?

[pastel thunder]

I am mainly targetting very few/specific school to build credential and connection and HFTs

I can grind for HFTs, but eventually I want to have my own company and will need funding

[peak halo]

what is HFT?

[pastel thunder]

Quant research for trading etc.

I have decided to atleast try for masters, so asking for LOR is inevitable

[regal axle]

The most important thing you can do, is have an open line of communication with your manager. It is not a bad idea to express your interest and have a conversation about next steps. It also helps them guide you in your current position.

If they are a good manager, they can help guide you too into how to move forward.

[pastel thunder]

I have tried talking to them, I have following about this:

• The reason for letting go of other intern was given to be "team of managers decided to do ..., he had very less impact....". In reality I know its them who decided, and could have said "I couldnt...., becuase of no impact". Also because I didnt ask him the reason, he bought this up. This puts manager in gray area.
• Above can be done for me too , they might say: "I tried for full time, but other managers/budget ..... "
• I have seen 3 team member getting promo every year since last 4 year. So, budget cannot be a problem at all
• The only reason for not giving full time to me would be to squeeze some more work while I at intern pay or due to me asking for LOR.

• Last time when I bought up someone being promoted to full time in just 6 months: manager: "its not true and budget is also a factor"

So, I am not sure how to ask for LOR, it seems I should do it asap, so it feels natural reaction to hearing someone else let go.
Is there a better time?

[deft herald]

I do not think that asking for either LOR or whether you'll be converted to full time will itself have any impact on those decisions. They also don't have to be mutually exclusive things; ideally you could be converted to full time and get a continuining education sponsorship

[solid parcel]

High frequency trading.

Think Jane Street, Jump Trading, Hudson River etc.

[pastel thunder]

there is definitely a human factor, right?
why bother promoting someone who may leave in 6 months?

[deft herald]

But that's not what asking for a LOR (for your masters degree, right?) is communicating. It's just telling them you want to persue a master's

Many people get a master's while working full time. If the company wants to hire you, it's also in their best interest for you to obtain a masters degree

[pastel thunder]

they might just extend my intern, which is very possible and wait for my application results
master while doing my current job isnt an option in my organisation.

[deft herald]

master while doing my current job isnt an option in my organisation.
You mean to have them pay for it right? YOu can always just go do it yourself and still work full time right?

[pastel thunder]

I will have to leave completely and get rehired if I want to rejoin

[solid parcel]

Do you know it's quant roles you're wanting to target? If you're interested in other positions within HFT, you don't necessarily need to gun for a Master's. Still beneficial, but far more accessible than quant work. I know a guy who joined HRT recently in an SRE role. No degree, started his career as an apprentice.

[pastel thunder]

yes,
there's this improvement in my connections and credentials I am targeting with masters too.

I think there isnt a better time to ask for LOR other then tomorrow.

[solid parcel]

Cool, makes sense to go for a Master's then, agreed. Are you on LinkedIn? Some quant/HFT firms scout out interns proactively, so it's worth having a presence on there even if you're not posting regularly. I had Jump reach out about a tech ops role (systems engineering/SRE) last year.

[pastel thunder]

its pretty dry these day, not sure why, I havent really stopped looking for job though, it would be even better to find better full time role at better Faangma.

[mild quartz]

Hello everyone!

[solid parcel]

What would 'better' look like? What has you wanting to leave your current org? Is it solely the desire to get into HFT?

[pastel thunder]

Final question before I make my decision:

• should I just ask LOR
• or, should I mention since I am an intern, and there's uncertainty unround future, I did like an LOR and try for masters...

[solid parcel]

I'd just have an upfront conversation with your boss, to be honest. If they're decent, they'll support your progression even if that means outside the org. It's far from uncommon for people to jump frequently in tech. Doubly so in FAANG, it attracts ambitious people and jumping is often the best way to progress your career.

[pastel thunder]

what do you think? decent?

[deft herald]

Seems good to me. You should also ask about being converted to full time if that's a possiblity. Again, those two conversations don't have to be exclusive to each other

[solid parcel]

If you've got a good relationship with any other engineers at or above the level of your boss (ideally outside your direct line management) and don't entirely trust your boss, you could ask them for guidance before raising things with him.

That said, as things stand, it seems like you might be overthinking it. Looks like the other intern wasn't cutting it and was let go, while other team members have been being promoted at an expected cadence.

As Meltz says, seems like you just need to have a discussion with your boss about options.

[smoky quest]

Every promo or transition to FTE is prepared months in advance. You don't prepare a promo package when the perf review happens as by that time, it is too late to do anything about it. And that's not something you do on your own, it's something you do in partnership with your manager.
If you want to stay there (transition, extension, whatever...), you should ask now. Just restate you love it here and enjoy it very much and want to make sure there are no surprises come november and want to be ready for it. As such, you want your manager's help to understand your chances and help you prepare for it. That means understanding your strength and weaknesses, making a plan with demonstrated outcomes and acting on it.

[solid parcel]

This is better articulated than my tired self was managing 😁

[deft herald]

recursive is always the voice of reason here

[pastel thunder]

oh I never had a promo, this does sound right
Now I am thinking why this hasn't been bought up till now.
He rarely involves in talk outside works, often seems like avoiding.

[smoky quest]

given you are in your first year, I would be surprised if you had any promo. But it's the same idea

[pastel thunder]

for me promo means intern to full time

[smoky quest]

Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to stupidity.
Manager is a weird job that isn't properly taught. And that means that not all managers have the same skills (nor that they care).
Plus manager ain't your mom. So they won't put energy in your case if you don't give them the vibe it's worth it

^ the above means in short that you shouldn't overthink it and assume the worst because they haven't brought it up.
So bring it up in good faith and cross that bridge when you get there

[ebon elk]

most hired for software job role in 2025? is it machine learning engineer?

[inner wren]

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[paper shale]

Is this data governance or just a fancy new term for old tricks?

[little mauve]

Thank you ,

[regal axle]

So first off, we don't know because the data is not out. But,,, from what I see:
This might be the largest pay jump job. However the most hired for job is likely someone to integrate AI into their workflow. It is one of the few jobs that I see a ton of positions for. That has more to do with the state of the economoy though. People are generally not hiring a ton. Yet AI is still a growing strat for many companies. So they hire for that space. (AI integration is not the same as ML btw)

[regal axle]

nor is it a good use of our time

The short answer is that they get tons of requests all the time about various things and don't have the time to explain every detail about the project to new people. They don't know you nor your knowledge nor you understanding of the repo. They are volunteers. It is open source.

Don't take it personally when they don't give you an hour of their time to explain things. They have other things and jobs to do. If you want to be taken more seriously and get the time of day, you need to first build trust. And dropping your first PR without any communication (such as a discussion or issue) does not build trust.

Open source is not an easy thing to deal with. And they get a ton of spam content.

From their perspective, you are more spam on a request that has already been explored. And to prove my point, you linked 4 PRs that were all closed for the same thing ... all of you (5 including you) had opened the same PR, basically, and were all first time contributors. From their perspective, this is just noise and spam.

This has been discussed at length very many times in various issues and pull requests here and at Homebrew/brew. Please read those instead.
If you saw the other closed items, you could have opened a discussion to get a better understanding instead of trying another PR that does the same thing as the other closed ones.

[deft lotus]

Hey, i just entered the last year of highschool (i study CS) and i got 2 choices, either i go to uni instantly after i give the final exams, or i can go to a 1 year practical exercise, basically the school sends you to different jobs around the city as a "helper" of sorts, you get paid around 700 euro a month for 5 days of working in repairing/building networks, theres 1 day of school so you learn some theory (non crazy) and you get 1 day off. I can either go to uni that gives me a certificate of level 6, and the practical exercise gives a level 5 certificate, i was thinking of doing the practical exercise so i can get some experience, and the money doesnt sound bad and after that year i give the final exams for uni, my main consern is that after the practical exercise ill forget the theoretical stuff that im learning now in preparation for the final exams, so once i finish the practical exercise im afraid ill just have no motivation for uni. Should i just go full on uni or risk losing my motivation after doing the practical exercise for the experience?

[split oyster]

When i grow up ima work for nasa

[last coral]

Hi All, I have 2.3 years of experience in software development field. Do you know of any software developer role openings or referrals ?

[regal axle]

Good luck

-# This server, btw, is not one where you can ask directly for work. Lots of reasons. But a big one being that this is a global server.

There are opening, they are just hard to find and contact. Try to make connections with people and find people who know other people. Depending on the type of dev work / company you are looking for, some sites are better or worse for finding work

[last coral]

thanks

[nocturne cypress]

hello

I want to participate in online coding competitions to enhance my skills and build my portfolio. Could anyone please suggest some competitions like Python Code Jam.

[willow raptor]

yo

[vapid violet]

I am currently a second year in college but on track to graduate 3-3.5 years instead of 4. I am wondering what I should do with the extra time. I have thought of

• Getting a masters
• Getting a minor in cybersec, data science or similar
• Take a semester off and get a co-op (my understanding is it is a 6month internship)
  Currently on track to get a BS CS and a math minor

I am in the US

[fast fossil]

If you like to build games, game jams are a very similar endeavour, you can go to https://itch.io/jams and you'll find lots of ongoing and planned events there. Another option is hackathons, you may even happen to find one hosted near you in person, but for online options, you can check out https://devpost.com/hackathons, though note that the ones there are a different caliber kind of events. Then there are also typically very short events, such as Codeforces contests, but they are typically focused on topics like DSA: https://codeforces.com/contests

[fast fossil]

How much internship experience have you got so far or will get until graduation?

[vapid violet]

None, yet. I want one, so hopefully the next 2 summers.

[smoky quest]

you could combine your two points and get masters in something cybersec, ds or similar

[lilac yoke]

aim for an internship, if you can't land one getting a minor isn't a bad idea, but know the only value in that is that it's extending your time to find an internship

you could also take the minimum amount of credits and focus on personal projects that will look good for an internship

[ebon elk]

thanks fr the answer i wasnt sure about the diff between the ai and ml i assumed it was ml engineer but it might be like a ai engineer or somehting and if i am correct thats basically someone who can integrate ai into the softwre ie through an api

[vapid violet]

I don't really understand how masters degrees work.

[vapid violet]

Yes, summer internships are something I am 100% aiming for regardless of this other decision

[smoky quest]

What do you mean? You apply to the program, get accepted, go to the classes and do projects, sometimes thesis, and then you get a degree in the end

[vapid violet]

Im sure I could find more info myself. But the idea that I can get a masters in something that is not my major is weird to me.

[smoky quest]

you won't be getting a masters in biomedical from a CS degree.
But there are plenty of specializations from CS to cybersecurity or CS to DS

[modest glacier]

Hi everyone!

I'm new to Python and programming in general. I would love some advice on how to get started. Could you share tips on where to sign up for courses, how to practice, and where to find projects to work on? Any guidance would be really appreciated!

[pine sleet]

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[inner wren]

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[pine sleet]

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[modest glacier]

Thanks for the tip! I’ll check them out and see which ones fit me best.

[radiant dust]

Is scraping public data without consent really stealing?

[smoky quest]

that will depend on many factors, including your country, laws in place and the details and context of your question. In terms of career, you should consult a lawyer if this is a concern

[empty wharf]

Can anyone tell me whats the best way to start python
Like i am talking any experienced python user

[fringe sphinx]

Ask in #python-discussion plz

[coral marlin]

#pyweek-announcements

[barren lotus]

i want to give up

this is so pointless

no one is going to accept someone who only gets a 2nd class honour

[kindred oyster]

arent u already working tho 💀 ?
also since you are from a top university , the chances of not getting hired are pretty slim

[barren lotus]

im not working ive been trying for more than a year

[kindred oyster]

whatt i swear you talked about working for some startup or part time job or smth
or was it internship ? im not sure
also at any rate , what about placement drive on campus ?

[barren lotus]

internship

[barren lotus]

ive already graduated so i cant participate in the placement drive either

[kindred oyster]

what graduation year ?

[barren lotus]

2024

it's so painful i cant even get technical interviews

the one technical interview i got i was told that using apache spark was not the right call

[kindred oyster]

also , what happened at the existing placement drives ? the ones you could attend ? because the resume you sent earlier was pretty great , you had internships , actual work experience , some open source stuff

[barren lotus]

no callbacks not a single one

internships mean nothing anyway

[kindred oyster]

but its a campus drive, what is there to callback ? they just take a test and display the results of the test and tell people who qualified for technical interviews

[barren lotus]

its a campus drive where they tell you to submit your resume

[kindred oyster]

well yeah , the resumes get screened , ofc , but yours 100% should pass

[barren lotus]

i got 0 responses

[kindred oyster]

that is crazy

[barren lotus]

not a single one of my interview came from the campus drives

and discord people tell me that "AI cannot replace human, people are still hiring"

clearly im not good enough

[kindred oyster]

did you compare your resume to your peers and find out why you didnt get the callback ?
something just doesnt feel right

[barren lotus]

and if im not good enough for a job after 12 years of learning whats the point of trying anymore

[barren lotus]

i dont know which one of my peers got callbacks

the diplomas jobs i applied to it was all rejections

[kindred oyster]

the ones who got selected for job ?

[barren lotus]

i dont know, all of these resume sending are online

even when i straight up go to career fairs to confront the hiring managers with my resume they just tell me it takes a long time to select candidates

[kindred oyster]

how are you so nonchalant about it tho, i would be pretty concerned untill i figure out why they didnt choose me , i would try and figure it out. and it doesnt exactly seem hard💀
like , during campus drives , almost all competant people manage to at least secure a technical interview if not a whole job offer

but again , i guess whats done is done 🤷

[barren lotus]

i dont want to do this anymore. all i want is to work, to solve problems, to engineer solutions, everyday i live in pain

[barren lotus]

because clearly it's because im not good enough?

[kindred oyster]

thats what you want to believe because that way you have an excuse to blame it on or more like , have a reason for not trying again

[barren lotus]

i have also sent out very few for the past few months because it destroys my mental state when i receive a rejection for a job i can destroy the competition in

and the ones i sent out, you guessed it: ignored or rejections

[kindred oyster]

i mean in your current situation , finding job on your own , outside of college , as a fresher , without referrals , is indeed very very hard, at least in today's market, i dont disagree
i was just very surprised about those campus drives

[barren lotus]

even with referrals i did not get a single interview

[kindred oyster]

Im sure other people have some more useful advice for you unlike me just dwelling on the past 😅

[barren lotus]

none of my interviews came from referrals

programming is my only joy in life

in the digital world the computer listens to my commands and follow it. i meet a challenge i get to engineer a solution to solve it. i can create anything i can dream off.

i dont have to rely on the person filtering me, i dont have to rely on people to solve problems, the computer never ignores me

my linter praises me for no warnings found, codecov affirms my test coverage, test suites show up green "all tests have passed"

[true harness]

there are many factors that can lead to you being rejected from a job. these are not all under your control. therefore, try not to take any single rejection personally

[last moat]

I have finished learning SDET/QA engineering with python stack. now i want to broaden the skill set and stuck in deciding which next stack i should choose. Java or JS/TS?? java was used to be industry standard for softwre testing but not sure whats in demand now days. what do you guys suggest?

[mint knoll]

Have a quick question are most CS jobs still salary over hourly wages to avoid overtime pay?

[peak halo]

it's not "to avoid overtime pay". being salaried is a way better deal overall.

[mint knoll]

Is that how everything is still structured mostly?

[ornate matrix]

If I’m studying for comp sci is it important that I actually pay attention in my math classes?

[peak halo]

Yes, you need to pass every class.

[near ocean]

you could still have overtime even with a salary

[mint knoll]

I didnt know that

[grave spindle]

I know how to code in Python I finished my first semester but can only make console based applications, alongside with using SQLite,

how can you use this knowledge to actually finding something that can make u money>

[white relic]

I'm not sure what you mean by that. It's true that most programming jobs are salaried.

[mint knoll]

Got the answer i need

[ornate matrix]

I know I have to pass I just mean like should I really try learning and memorizing the math entirely

[peak halo]

that's a very different question from the one that you actually asked.
Actually learning and understanding the material actually makes it easier to pass the course than trying to brute-force memorize facts.

[mint knoll]

When those interview questions come up too. Certs and classes dont mean shit if you just fly thru the material.

[feral stone]

Every day I feel like a poser. Yes i know, imposter syndrome, but the emotion remains when i see others than surpass me in skill, i feel like i wasted time and potential energy in the past by not grinding as much as i wanted to, im better at system theory and design that actual programming, i know what stacks to use, services to use, and apps to use and how to connect them and how I want the result to look like while also envisioning how the result will be manipulated during each stage of the pipeline. Can I even call myself an engineer if a company has already named me one before? The Majority of my code is generated first from AI, and then I change bits and pieces slowly after. In my younger days, before AI, I would rely on server fault, Stack Overflow, and Reddit. But I never really coded anything from scratch myself. When I ask other people about how I feel regarding this, they always say "ehh, no programmer is 100% original anyway" and also don't forget the "ChatGPT and AI are just enhanced search engines that can converse the answer for you"

Sometimes I feel like I can't relate to actual engineers. I feel like others see right through me, which only diminishes my own value in my eyes. I'm actively not trying to be a poser, but due to my recurring fear of others seeing who I really am, I sometimes exaggerate. And then there is also the argument that I'm painting myself in a negative light, which I cannot see.

For context i wasn't brought on to be an engineer the traditional way, I got a part time job in data entry that could pay for school and then one day i designed a system that could automate alot of stuff, i also generated most of the code with AI and made it all work, along with a frontend so higher ups could test it.

After creating over 10+ process flow diagrams and project proposals, I received an offer letter from the Director of Engineering to be a Software Engineer, and the Directors from DevOps are also seeking me within the same company.

I feel

fake.

[regal axle]

I had a job that had an on-call payment system, that if you needed to go online to help solve a problem, you were payed for the hours. And if it went past specific parameters, you were payed double. But this isn't necessarily common. Just mentioning that it does exist.

[mint knoll]

Bro you got a job offer? Not a lot of people got that why do you feel fake?

Be satisfied with where you came from

[regal axle]

Any path you take to get where you are, is valid. There is no one route. Nor correct route.

Even ignoring that, there is value and purpose in different types of engineers (and workers in general)
Just becuase one person can solve one type of problem or solve it on type of way, doesn't mean that some other problem isn't valid to solve. You don't have to compete with people who are doing things different from you. I write code; I don't compare myself to someone who makes hardware. This is a stark difference to drive my point. But I can say the same between myself and a frontend dev. I don't concern myself with how they are doing because I don't do frontend.

If someone finds value in what you do, than believe in that value. You have value. Don't worry that you are not a top 1% FANNG eng. People have their own expectations. And as long as you are meeting them or passing them, who cares if you are able to meet an uninvolved person's expectations. The people around you see potential value in your work. They know what they are getting. They are not looking for the ex-google engineer. So why bother trying to pretend to be one?

[mint knoll]

My worry is i wont be able to find a job after college but thats 3-4 years away

[near ocean]

Stop using AI then and use your head if you want imposter syndrome to go away
Otherwise you kind of are the imposter

[fringe sphinx]

Did you know this is a very normal feeling for programmers? When you first start off, you think "once I learn programming, I'll know everything", then gradually you discover that the universe of information is so large, that you can't possibly "know everything". Then, with a little experience, you realize that you can be productive and awesome without knowing everything.

Citation: https://www.google.com/search?q="imposter+syndrome"+site%3Areddit.com%2Fr%2Flearnprogramming+after%3A2024

[candid lily]

i am new to coding, can someone help how to learn?

as i try to learn i can't understand anything

[vestal hedge]

But recruiter always use same excuse, you need experience. but profesional workd experience is built by working. so you stay in a paradox.

[deft herald]

Gotta start small. What exactly are you having a hard time understanding?

Also, this channel is for career discussions. Maybe you want a help thread or #python-discussion

[fringe sphinx]

You can get experience in many ways. And, many people are hired without experience. I hire them all the time.

Getting involved in clubs, projects, OSS, etc is one way to gain both experience and expand your network.

[vestal hedge]

i'm really stuck in this cycle last 6 years.

[fringe sphinx]

wdym? That's a long time to be stuck in a cycle

[vestal hedge]

what is really popular this days react? python? c++? c#.et

[fringe sphinx]

Programming is such a big world that it's really hard to even answer that. But, I'll point you at:

[vestal hedge]

distracted by many paths, no real view what companies are building.

[fringe sphinx]

https://spectrum.ieee.org/top-programming-languages-2024

https://octoverse.github.com/

Read those plz

[vestal hedge]

never really found any fun projects or way of learning where i steadily increase

i tried boot. dev but the whole leetcode isn;t really for me, even tho the website is really good.

[feral stone]

I actually like boot.dev a lot, it feels cozy to me, something i can do on my second monitor while focusing on a main task

[vestal hedge]

it is indeed a good platform

[vestal hedge]

so based on this statics people are building more than ever.

[fringe sphinx]

My advice: watch some pycon or europython videos. You'll see lots of different things people are working on. The "lightning talks" are great, quick summaries of things people are working on.

[wraith harbor]

have you tried codecrafters? They have some cool projects

[shadow vector]

@spiral sleet'block

🔥

[devout veldt]

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[tame glen]

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[devout veldt]

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[lime trail]

@tame glen hi

[forest ivy]

@tame glenmy luv, why abusing on sexual content on the dm for me?

Yes, I'm your husband

[tame glen]

ım ur husband

[forest ivy]

you say it, i'm your husband

[tame glen]

r u dumb?

[lime trail]

Hi my litte dear zedar

[forest ivy]

translate your message my wife

[fringe sphinx]

Stop

[tame glen]

wassup my 2nd wife?

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 1256185254167838803 Take this somewhere else

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @forest ivy.

[forest ivy]

he is abusing me for dm

[fringe sphinx]

!warn Read the channel topic, please stay on topic in this server

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 1309566084277469280 Read the channel topic, please stay on topic in this server

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @tame glen.

[fringe sphinx]

Then block them.

[forest ivy]

okay.

[tame glen]

homie can u look dm

[fringe sphinx]

If you need to talk to moderators, send a DM to ModMail

[devout veldt]

Wassup my boy

[fringe sphinx]

If you continue, you will be removed from the server.

[devout veldt]

İt's a part of my plan

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 1237459194211340350 Stay on topic in this server, take outside nonsense outside.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @devout veldt.

[fringe sphinx]

You could just leave. Have a great day.

[devout veldt]

I'll think about it

[vale portal]

Whats up I've recently fell into data analytics and statistics on my free time and i love it but now i would love to get a job in it does anyone have any advice on networking? I run a business already so people skills isnt an issue for me but my problem is i struggle finding people who are doing the same thing I am.

[peak halo]

!clban 1417110556485353495 upwork scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @faint estuary permanently.

[vestal hedge]

Really random

[bronze carbon]

[fast fossil]

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[shy willow]

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/20/trump-h-1b-visa-tech-foreign-governments.html

[white relic]

The fee would apply to new H-1B applicants, not renewals or current visa holders, according to a White House official. It will first apply in the upcoming lottery cycle, and it does not apply to 2025 lottery winners, the person said. The White House also clarified that the new $100,000 fee is not an annual charge, as previously reported by several media outlets.
quoting for clarification, since the embed summary is incorrect

[lapis wind]

I think part of the confusion is, I don't think they actually clarified that until after all the panic began and the reports were put out

because like what the administration constantly does... is he just yaps constant nonsense then at some point more details are provided, or sometimes no more details, or sometimes they are just reverted the next day 😅

[near ocean]

is that a bad policy? it might drive more companies to move or open offices elsewhere
it could also drive more companies to hiring local talent instead

[smoky quest]

more servitude and a worse deal for the employee is a likely outcome. Something like employers paying that 100k$ on behalf of the employee and forcing the employee to pay a pro-rated portion if they leave before 4 years

[near ocean]

for immigrants
for local devs?

[smoky quest]

for immigrants that are local devs

[near ocean]

they wouldnt be local devs if they need a visa
the article says it doesnt apply to renewals (or current visa holders)

[smoky quest]

by local dev, you mean then citizens or people already in possession of a permanent residency visa. Not that the person is working in the country itself?

[near ocean]

yes, US citizens or current residents
and possibly other similar statuses

[smoky quest]

yeah that fee does not apply to them and a company has no reason to force them to reimburse 100k is they leave early since it does not apply to them

[near ocean]

would it mean they have better chances now of finding a job? they'd cost 100k less than foreign devs
or would companies just mass leave

[smoky quest]

Companies go with the path of least resistance. The current pool of applicant is shitty. So it's a matter of what's the path of least resistance:

• Lower the quality of your workforce by hiring more americans
• Open an office in Canada which is in the same US TZ and has a culture comparable
• Outsourced completely to different countries (Asia, LATAM, etc.)
• Go through other visas like L1/O1/etc.

Most likely, it will be a combination of both by opening some satellites and opening hiring in both places and see which one grows faster.

[near ocean]

what's wrong with american applicants
US unis are consistently ranked at the top, education at least should not be the issue

[smoky quest]

there is a finite amount of top people

and LLMs have created a lot of fake applicants. So it's more expensive to hire blindly without using your network

and in terms of average americans, you can also look at the trade off of the friction of hiring top people somewhere else at the fraction of the cost comparing average american without the TZ/culture friction.

[near ocean]

If you're hiring H1Bs tho there should presumably not be any difference in cost
Its either americans in america or foreigners in america, salaries should be roughly the same

When would you prefer an H1b over an american

[smoky quest]

when you can't find the right candidate in the USA and it's cheaper to import them than have them outside

[regal axle]

One data point. Asked a company how they are dealing with fakes. And they ,,, now ask for linkedin + GH links ... and then have patterns they are looking for ... so basically vibes. I mean fair. But also does this mean I need to keep up with my linkedin again?

[near ocean]

Linkedin is pretty standard, why would you let it go out of date

[regal axle]

Security and privacy reasons. I hate having any personal information exist on the internet.

I never have my current job posted on linkedin too. Not worth it. All it gets me is spam connections and messages. And makes you an attack vector
Maybe if I had a different role I would think differently there. But as a swe ,,, thats how I feel

[smoky quest]

yeah, similar things. I have automated a bunch of these (and more) as it was annoying to do it by hand

[smoky quest]

in the end it's making it too costly to fake it

[wraith harbor]

linkedin is kind of weird from a security perspective but at this point you need it

[regal axle]

Well the nice thing about a linkedin, is that you are going to send only 1 link. And so you can't scatter apply to positions that you don't qualify for. Unlike a pdf resume where you can have a generated output of what the position is looking for ,,, bu tthat doesn't actually mean much. There are still ways around even that problem depending on how much time you want to spend on it.

[wraith harbor]

it probably still helps fix the issue, since most of the people blasting spam are not going to go through that effort

I probably need to clean up my linkedin to reflect my actual experience, I didn't put much thought into it

[smoky quest]

it's more a proof of being human than your page ad you send as an applicant to the company

[regal axle]

Well ,,, there are two issues going on in the HR space right now. The first is spam / mass applications. That one is hard to deal with for many reasons. But the other thing going on is fake people applications. Not just spam, but people who are not real (for various reasons). And for the second type, they def could create a linkedin for these purposes.

[smoky quest]

there are ways to validate that. But not something I would detail in public here

[regal axle]

Sure. But there has got to be a better way ™

And we will suffer until that better way is figured out and adopted

[smoky quest]

It's no different than what you see with the web of trust and old school key signing parties 😉

[regal axle]

Oh yea. It isn't a new problem. Just the scale and consequence is a bit different.

[wraith harbor]

Is fake people applications a real issue these days?

[regal axle]

Yes

[wraith harbor]

Interesting... are they paying people to interview for them?

[regal axle]

I don't know all the reasons it happens. But generally it has to do with information. So less about getting someone else a job. What type of information ,,, lots of things can be valuable to the right person for the right reasons. So don't always assume if something trivial is actually trivial info

[wraith harbor]

Hiring being so terrible from the employers side is underreported. It's rough out there for everyone it seems

[regal axle]

Yes. It is one reason why hiring is very frozen right now. It isn't just the economy. It is that the HR departments don't have the resources to actually hire (at least not the way it used to be done.)
And hence why the advice is so strong to meet real humans, right now

[wraith harbor]

i picked a bad time to get laid off

[regal axle]

same 😄

[west forge]

Hi, My Name is Redoshi

Why??

[lilac sundial]

no mo h1b for asians

Well except the existing people from asia on h1b

[lilac sundial]

Will this boost outsourcing to india more specifically

[smoky quest]

no

[lilac sundial]

Ah shit

Oh well theres always express entry to canada cant wait till they revoke that in the next 5 yrs

[barren lotus]

im in the strange position of trying to write a regex that will filter out jobs that only accepts computer science graduates lol

trying to use computer science to filter out computer science jobs, how ironic

[zenith tulip]

hello

[lilac sundial]

Now use AI and make that an irony club sandwich

Also r u from indonesia by chance lol just saw ur bio, my bad

[barren lotus]

huh what

[lilac sundial]

Thought u might be a cse student from indonesia

[proud glacier]

regex
is the format that consistent?

[barren lotus]

regex and python lol

[wraith harbor]

you mean for web scraping?

[barren lotus]

well im just copy and pasting the job description into a script

and the scripts parses the job description and puts together (manually) prewritten sections of my resume

[proud glacier]

like inserting keywords and such? nice

[barren lotus]

entire sections

[proud glacier]

oh, like if the job is in language X it'll show your projects in language X?

[barren lotus]

yea

it's really just compiling a typst file with some keywords from python bindings

the unfortunate thing is that now i have to actually send the resume

which is honestly the worst part

[proud glacier]

Selenium

[barren lotus]

i copy the description manually so that im not breaking any TOSes

besides, i would assume modern sites have some kind of bot detection

[ivory spear]

Hi!

Can any one suggest me any good laptop for computer science engineering my old laptop is broke

[barren lotus]

try off topic channel? you'll get more traffic there

[wraith harbor]

i try not to change my resume much just keywords a little bit

[barren lotus]

i code in 2 languages, and someone advised me to just put whatever is on the JD and nothing else

[wraith harbor]

yeah thats probably good advice

[smoky quest]

always*

• for now

[dense geode]

i have project to build website called resume builder so any one have done before , that will be help full i want to submit within 1 day ;so any help guys!

[smoky quest]

wat?

[dense geode]

👋🤟🫰👌🫵👉👈🫶🙏🙏

[smoky quest]

this is an italian free zone

[lilac sundial]

Why is his name pdf.file the guy who spammed abov

[sinful zenith]

Hello chat

[cyan jackal]

how to use python for beginners

[barren lotus]

• Developed algorithm to differentiate between different equipment models, brands, and vendors using string metrics
  to harmonize database of over 13000 medical devices.
• Created a software to automatically generate monthly maintenance paperwork for engineers in batches, saving my colleagues
  several hours of tedious manual data entry.
• Developed migration script for multiple institutions’ medical equipment list for importing to Hexagon, valued at $400k
• Took initiative to analyse, read the manual, and diagnose a recurring issue that the rest of the department could not
  troubleshoot, affecting nearly 300 patient monitors, then engineered a solution and documented SOP

Pick 1 to kill, which one do I delete

[earnest tangle]

I need help to made a backend in python I don’t know how it works

[slate solstice]

Hey guys accepted a new job offer and i had a prebooked holiday booked a few months before for Janurary, I didn't mention it during interview process i know stupid. But i will bring it up with HR on monday.

Hey {name},

I booked a trip 2 months ago and forgot to mention it during the process it’s scheduled for January 7th–20th 2026 (a little under 2 weeks).

If the timing on the 7th is an issue, I can move it so that it lines up with the Christmas–New Year break if we get one, to minimise the time away.

I totally understand if neither options
work and I’m happy to just cancel the whole trip. Just wanted to flag it early with you.

Thanks so much.

Would that message be okay? Im just scared of getting my offer rescinded, or am i just overthinking? 😭

[white relic]

Have you started the job yet?

[slate solstice]

Not yet. I start 20th Oct

[white relic]

this wouldn't normally be an HR thing IMO. I would bring it up to the hiring manager, hopefully you know who that is at this point?

are you in the US btw? cultural differences

[slate solstice]

its a smaller company so HR basically did all the hiring. And im in AUS

[white relic]

hmm

[slate solstice]

Im just worried if it backfires and shes like yeah we not interested anymore

[white relic]

I find that unlikely, if they've already made you an offer.
interviewing and hiring people is a chore, and a 2 week vaca isn't worth going through it again.

[slate solstice]

Yeah i think you are right, i think i am just way overthinking i even mentioned id cancel if i have to.

[white relic]

that said, yes, do apologize for not bringing it up earlier because you should mention this kind of thing either during interviewing or after the offer.
but I wouldn't offer to shift or cancel the holiday either, personally, don't give them a reason to say no to your personal life.

do you know what the PTO / leave policies are like? If they give you vacation time from the get-go or at the beginning of the year, there may be no problem with just using it immediately (provided you inform your team when you will be available).

[remote yacht]

AI is great for regex. i always hated it 😄

[marble wing]

Hello!

[cursive plaza]

Hi

[dense shard]

Not just about Python but in general, is it possible to have a career only with backend?

Not like with ONLY pure backend, but just not messing with frontend, I don't see much of a problem with learning about security or databases, I just really don't want to do the front end

[regal axle]

Yea. Lots of these positions exist. You are looking for backend or data eng roles. And avoiding "full stack". This is pretty common. Smaller companies or teams will look for fullstack because they are limited on resources / head count.

[dense shard]

Oh, nice! Thank you

[vague knot]

hey everyone im new to pyhton. and its been a few days since i staerted learning it. today i studied about collections

[peak halo]

Nice work! This message would be more on-topic in #python-discussion . Be sure to read the description of each channel.

[tender needle]

https://github.com/joelscreen/python-projects
Just made a github repo fully based on python. I've made 3 projects until now, and will be constantly updating them and adding new ones. Feel free to support.

[cerulean tulip]

Hey where you are learning from i am just starting toi

[final saffron]

hello, I am currently going to try and learn python in preparation for my engineering degree. I have no idea where to start of anyone would like to help or give me advice!

[fringe sphinx]

Start in #python-discussion plz!

[brave salmon]

I want learning pyshon but for arpic

[weary crest]

@fringe sphinx

well i only have this question, its not really something concrete, just something i'm wondering abbout

u get a resume, what's the process u're doing with it?

[fringe sphinx]

ofc depends on job and xp, but - I look at most recent bullet of most recent job and education first. Then, skim the bullets and projects (if any) to get an impression.

I also look at location - while we're mostly remote, I don't want 100% remote hires.

[weary crest]

so u're actually reading the whole resume?

[fringe sphinx]

If it passes the sniff test, then I'll skim the whole resume.

[weary crest]

uh i see.. so the most recent data is the real entry point

its the thing that needs the most focus i assume

(at least by the way u're reviewing resumes)

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, basically for an entry level candidate, I want to know - are they writing code? What type? What stack? Do they have any particular experiences that'd make them a good fit ... even CI, testing, etc can be relevant.

[weary crest]

i see

[fast fossil]

what about mid level roles?

[winter lodge]

hi all, please review/critique my resume for ai/software internship roles. thanks in advance.

[peak halo]

It needs to be one page. You can keep both pages as a template, but whenever you submit it, you need to delete the details that are least relevant to that position until you get it down to one page.

[winter lodge]

thanks a lot for the feedback, do you see anything that might be less relevant or something that can totally be omitted?

[peak halo]

I think I can look at it more tomorrow

[winter lodge]

sure, thanks!

[regal axle]

First things that scream out to me

• Don't do more than 1 page.
• Don't overload me with information that isn't important
  • Acceptance rate is irrelevant
  • If you can show off info in a description, you don't need it duplicated
    • certs don't mean anything. honors don't mean anything. coursework only means something if you need skills in something but have no "practical" skills and need to validate why you are qualified. So once you leave internship world, drop that for every application. But right now, some it might still be valid for

Have not read the content yet, going to do that next

[winter lodge]

this is great catch, let me know anything else that might need correction.

[regal axle]

So far (still reading and jumping around) I would say that your resume is all over the place. And you should pick and choose the parts that are relevant for the position you are applying to. Not all things matter to all positions. If it isn't relevant, you don't have to include it.
Extreme example; I would never put that I worked at Costco in my SWE application. Like sure, I have expereince doing things. But that doesn't help the recuriter know if I can do the job they hiring me for
-# I never actually worked at a costco

[winter lodge]

thanks, will look to improve upon that tooo. great feedbackkkk..

[regal axle]

Regularly contributed to product stratgies, architecture design, and strategic Al product initiatives helping close clients over $X M, leading to a 12% equity offer in the company and 3 consecutive promotions within a year.
So you mentioned (in a different server) the complaint about if your resume looks "too good" they don't want you. If I am hiring someone, I want to hire someone for the level that I can offer. I don't want to hire someone overqualified. Overqualified people will be dissatisfied with the job and leave or bring moral down.
If I read a line like that and see you applying for an internship, I would think 1 of two things. Either: "No you didn't. BS" Or "Well go work for a higher position"

Regularly contributed to product stratgies, ...
Also typos. stratgies -> strategies

[peak halo]

I ended up at my desktop for some reason.

For context, I'm an AI scientist who specializes in language technology. (Which used to be a more than "playing with interactive LLMs".)

• "comprehensive large scale" -- these make it sound like you're desperate to impress. and it's pretty unclear from that bullet point what you did. What kind of models were they. What was the "unlabeled new environment"?
• I prefer "use" instead of "utilize" any time that they're interchangeable. "utilize" sounds unnecessarily pretentious.
• you do processing with pytorch, not on it. it's a library, not a platform.
• It's just automatically assumed that you've used numpy and pandas, and that you could easily use scipy from reading the docs if you haven't already, so just delete that bullet.
• "doubt" is specific to South Asian English. If you're applying to positions outside of those countries, you should change it to "question".
• Some employers might have mixed or negative feelings about LLM-assisted code writing, so I wouldn't highlight it. But regardless, I would expect to be asked in an interview if you write LLM-assisted code and how you approach doing so (ie, how do you validate it, how do you avoid leaking proprietary information, etc.)
• It's unlikely that you individually were the direct cause of that 12% equity figure, so be prepared to be asked to explain which things you did that were impactful to that end.
• "Industry-funded research on DIU, F1 of .92" okay but how many classes were there? is that micro or macro F1?
• If I were interviewing you, I'd be curious about the annotation work that you were involved in. What kind of documents were you annotating, and for what, and did it require subject matter knowledge, and did you calculate inter-annotator agreement?
• That you delivered a prototype and a report is unremarkable. That's how research projects work.
• "Directed an yearlong" -- idk if "yearlong" is pronounced differently in South Asia, but if it's pronounced essentially the same, it should be a yearlong. You only use "an" when saying "a" would require an abrupt "pause" to switch between vowels (namely a glottal stop).

that's just for the first page. I see that the second page is mostly personal projects. you should delete all the personal projects that convey redundant skills. (ie, if you mention that you know how to do x as part of your professional history, there's no added value for mentioning a personal project that uses it.)

[winter lodge]

thats a whole lot of great feedback thank you guysss

[thorn elk]

loving the the Dr Angela Yu's python course

[barren lotus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_N3PGvnVKg
I think this is a very useful video

and I think I have a hint of how I can break my job hunt drought

[wheat forge]

Hey everyone ,I’m currently working as a PHP Full Stack Developer (Laravel + JS) for about 1.5 years. Recently I’ve been thinking about moving towards a role like Software Engineer (Web + AI) — basically continuing with full-stack web dev but also adding Python, AI/automation, and data-related skills.
Do you think this is a good move for the future job market?

[glacial narwhal]

Anyone tell me future of CYBERSECURITY

I want to pursue as future career

[quartz holly]

well, have you heard about pentester?

also hi, i'm new

[tender needle]

I learnt from youtube. Definately check out programmingwithmosh on youtube. If you want, you could also check out w3schools. However, the most you'll learn is through practice. Just take an idea that comes first in ur mind, and code it. Don't care if it's senseless. Just code. Hope it helps

[quartz holly]

there's a website named coddy.tech, i'm using it to learn python and other programming languages

[tender needle]

oh and im new to this server (just joined yesterday). Is this a good place to show progress on my python projects, or should I post it somewhere else

i think there's another channel made for this

[fringe sphinx]

We don't have a showcase channel in this server. If you need help with something, you can open a help thread: #❓｜how-to-get-help and tag it "code review".

[tender needle]

so I can showcase them here?

[fringe sphinx]

No, we don't allow advertising or anything like that.

[tender needle]

oh

i joined here just for that

cya

i'll find another server

[fringe sphinx]

You can chat about the projects in #python-discussion , just not advertise. People often talk about the projects they're working on.

It's a fine line, sometimes, but engagement = good. Dumping a "Look at this thing I made" with no context or discussion = not good.

[warm flint]

Hi

[fierce scarab]

hello

[red ether]

hi guys

[wraith harbor]

I need advice on how to interview better, I just get nervous and can't perform even close to my full potential. I get stuck on aspects that aren't important... I need like a framework to think about how to approach a problem and what actually matters and how I can show my abilities. If anyone has any thoughts please share.

[near ocean]

Sit with a friend/partner/family member and solve problems out loud with them
Advent of code is nice cause it has a cool story

From what I noticed in the super minimal number of interviews i've sat in on, people stop talking as soon as theyre asked to solve a puzzle

they either freeze up and fail or they solve the problem, but either way it would go down better if they talked about what they were doing out loud

[fringe sphinx]

Honestly, this is one of the worst things interviewees do, imo.

I don't care if they can solve the problem, i care that they can communicate.

[near ocean]

gotta admit i kinda blocked a couple people who did end up solving the puzzles but were super quiet doing it or had the interviewer ask them if they wanted tips

[wraith harbor]

I think I'm pretty communicative, it's just when I'm coding normally my brain is fully on the problem, when I interview part of my brain is just kinda thinking "omg I ran into an issue I might get stuck and fail".

[wraith harbor]

So what kind of things do you want people to demonstrate in their communication? Like sometimes I talk about how I could extend the solution or some design choices I made and their potential downsides

[fringe sphinx]

That's really it. Think it out loud. Explain your thought process : demonstrate that you can reason through a problem, and listen to feedback.

The engineering process is more or less: repeat the question, state any assumptions and consider constraints.

Then, consider your strategy, how are you going to try to answer it? If you're going to try a naive solution first? Are you going to try to solve some problem in O(N) time? Is this similar to some other problem?

Then, tackle the problem, once piece at a time.

Bonus points for talking about testing or edge cases

Many moons ago, I was interviewing at a hardware company. I missed a step involving checking for overflow, and they made a big deal of that. basically: "Maybe there's some other job you should be applying for"

[wraith harbor]

Yeah I definitely try to hit those points, but I do it in sort of an improvisational way. So instead I should try to organize my thoughts at the beginning kind of like your suggestion. So what I'm getting from this is I have room for improvement, but I'm not as bad as I thought. I think that advice is exactly what I needed so thanks 👍

[fossil gorge]

Im starting out in computer science (self-taught method).

Could I get some advice from experienced programmers?

[spiral mica]

I am looking for teammates for Fall Calico UC Berkeley 25 prestigious coding competition happening in November, if you are good in Competitive programming and want to join this competition is welcome, You can DM me.

Here is my LinkedIn profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/theefatymah

[wraith harbor]

It takes many years of guided learning (university) to even begin to be hireable. Your competition will have degrees and outstanding projects. You will need to be patient and work harder than everyone in order to get your foot in the door

[near ocean]

I wish i could point out a video of a mock interview as an example but in every single one i've seen so far people talk about the problem, their solution, then shut up and start writing code
I dont think thats a good example of communication skills

[white relic]

If I ask a question that requires problem solving, I'd expect to see something of your process.
That means vocalizing stuff like "hmm, this looks like <some other problem I've solved>, maybe that's an approach we can take" and "I don't know if this will pan out, but I'll make a table of these values and see if I can make a pattern from it"
i.e., talk about possible solutions, not the solution, and show them how the constraints / clarifying questions you ask affect your thought process as you move towards a concrete answer

many problems can be solved multiple ways, and you'll get points for saying "we can brute force it this way, or do some kind of dynamic programming algorithm" before you even write any code

[wraith harbor]

I appreciate the answers from everyone, and I think I've had a bit of a breakthrough. I was aware that thought process is more important than getting a right answer, but I was still prioritizing getting the right answer, and I just hyper focused my communicatoin on reaching a "goal". Instead, I should take a step back and go over the thought process much more deliberately and ask questions, jumping into the code is something I would do much later in the solution. Even in my original message here I show my flawed reasoning when I said "my performance goes down", where I'm thinking I'm failing because of wrong answers.

I wonder how many more interviews I would've passed by now if I knew this already, but you live and learn

[whole flare]

<@&831776746206265384> erm?

[molten spoke]

removed, cheers

[open ivy]

Reddit RecruitingHell is very much a doom and gloom and doesn't seem to reflect reality.

It is full of people flexing how many 1000+ applications they applied for. But strangely, no one is flexing any automation of tasks like entering your GPA for the 1000th time.

And everyone's says things are hopeless. Well if it were actually hopeless than it's not worth trying. It's not like we all should go around looking for a fountain of youth after all.

One of many examples of how the internet distorts reality.

I can't even tell how easy or hard getting a job is these days.

If you flex 1000+ applications but don't flex automation, networking ,other strategies, or anything else besides literally being stuck in a "while True:" loop, sorry, you are just posting a sob story.

Anyone know of a reddit that is about getting jobs that is not full of gloom and doom?

[humble iris]

There will be a bit of bias in the opinions on a forum titled recruitment hell. The sort of posters it will attract are people who are not getting hired and looking for a place to vent. So to take the sentiment in the posts of such a forum as a fair reflection of the reality of things could be quite misleading. Just my 2 cents

[pine sleet]

this is true for most of the cs recruiting subs on reddit

[open ivy]

The hall mark is what the algorithm favors:

"Applied to 1000 positions and..."

A: "I need to improve my application somehow".

B: "I will focus on networking instead"

C: "I will build up my portfolio some more and try again"

D: "It's a boring tedious task let me use AI or automation, here is a tool for you"

E: "look how unfair it and I suffered i will keep wasting my time life is hell".

The Algorithm strongly favors the black pill E.

Black pills are stupid (unless you are talking about the laws of physics).

[unreal gate]

There is a black pill? I had heard of blue and red...

[humble iris]

Yes it’s exactly the same as the blue and red ones except… well….. it’s um… black

[open ivy]

If they use AI, so can we.

[smoky quest]

I would recommend a more mature approach to finding a job

[open ivy]

Networking is my main approach and it uses very little if any AI.

[smoky quest]

any progress since last time?

[open ivy]

A potential lead in biotech I found in hiking club. Two other close calls.

So it does seem to be starting to work.

[smoky quest]

nice! Getting healthy along the way too

[open ivy]

For those of you who are applying to jobs at bigger companies that use ATS and AI, I don't think it is wrong to be using AI yourself for the initial application. It's not like you are wasting their time. But prepare and care about the interview because in that case they actually have someone spending their time talking to you.

[smoky quest]

there are so many fake applicants and hallucinated stuff that it is a problem.

[open ivy]

Couldn't you constrain the AI? For example, agental AI that parses the text and filles out your GPA and college or what subset of bullets points on the resume are most important for the description.

It will not replace you making a good resume and cover letter template.

[smoky quest]

Candidates can do a lot of things. Unfortunately, companies receive too many problematic ones

[open ivy]

Are the AIs reliable enough for parsing and filling out GPA and other fields? That doesn't sound "problematic" to me.

And make a resume 50% too long, pick bullets that are in the top 2/3 of word vector matches to keywords in the description, replace keywords with synonyms to get closer to description so long as the word vectors are similar enough. Instead of using a full-fledged LLM (so maybe it isn't really AI?).

This should minimize hallucinations.

[smoky quest]

As an employer, it means I will have job ads crafted to trip up AIs and insta reject AI based resumes

[open ivy]

Would you purposefully make sure humans manually enter their GPA and make a workaday account even though said information is already on the resume?

[smoky quest]

I don't ask for GPA nor use workday. Workday is a terrible ATS

[open ivy]

It seems that you are saying that you wouldn't have a problem of using simple automations to do these common gruntwork tasks found on job applications.

But you want to ensure that any more complex input is human, such as answering a question that requires a thoughtful response etc.

That seems reasonable. Of course AI reading more detailed responses will likely mess up, so it is more likely a human would look at it.

On another note, I am surprised that no one mentioned portfolio projects on a supposedly less pessimistic reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/jobsearchhacks/comments/1l6m5qx/how_do_yall_remain_positive_while_job_searching/

Portfolio projects are a huge mental health boost. Because they allow me to get something meaningfully done in my fields. The other hacks they mention are helpful as well. But without my portfolio projects I wouldn't have enough spoons to network properly.

There is so much pessimism on the internet that finding meaningful strategies is hard. Its like trying to get tips for winter travel to Alaska from people who absolutely hate snow or cold.

[smoky quest]

yep, pretty much

[barren lotus]

i wonder if all software engineering will eventually turn into pipelining data into AI models running in the cloud

there was a job interview i had which advertises itself as a research project, with some system programming on the side to create a mobile app for research participants. during the interview i was asked about how i might be able to do additional data analysis, so I just talked about the standard statistic stuff, and then one of the engineers in the interview suggested training a model with the data. needless to say i didnt get the job. i wonder if AI is inevitable

is there no chance anymore for someone who does not integrate ML libraries into their projects?

[stuck barn]

what was the title of the position

[barren lotus]

research assistant

[stuck barn]

If it was at a company that handles large data than i'd say it's expected. but expecting someone to also build a mobile app is pretty stupid. there's a lot of job postings like this lately that are basically just companies shamelessly trying to hire 1 person to do 2-3 jobs. they figure they can get away with it because there's been so many layoffs that the market is flooded with applicants. it's disgraceful. but. that's capitalism

[barren lotus]

oh sorry we were actually talking about an academic project i wrote that used mediapipe to gauge the position of an athlete and thus extract joint angle data from a video

so not their data

[stuck barn]

it honestly just sounds like typical one-ups-manship that happens in this industry

[barren lotus]

it did sound reasonable to me during the interview

[stuck barn]

in that sort of situation it's probably more a test of communication and teamwork skills. did you react defensively? they're looking for you to be able to explain why you didn't do that already, as well as handle the suggestion gracefully, maybe

every job posting i see nowadays has this same BS in it - "must be willing to accept feedback"

[barren lotus]

when asked the question i said that i would have to do more research on the topic, but a naive analysis that i could think on the spot was bla bla bla

after they suggested that solution i told them that i am not familiar in that area and asked follow up questions to better my understanding on the suggestion