career-advice

[peak halo]

I'm not aware of any AI certificates that are valued by AI companies.

[deep geyser]

Me too

So what about just freelancing not having a job

[white relic]

generally speaking, it's harder to make a living freelancing than employed.

it depends a lot on things like, what's the local cost of living? do you have connections / a network / means to advertise your services or are you just posting offers on fiverr? etc.

and I don't think AI services is really the kind of thing people hire out freelance, anyway

[deft herald]

Freelancing is for beer money

[deep geyser]

it makes sense, i love programming and all its related fields, so just finding the best career to go through

[finite oak]

can be leetcode good for build a career at progammer?

or i need to solve other problems? in other tests webs

[peak halo]

you might be asked basic leetcode problems during an interview. and they can be useful for developing basline programming skills (like learning the syntax of a language and its various constructs). but the kinds of questions you get asked in leetcode have pretty much nothing to do with "real life" programming

[finite oak]

why?
it's good for learn optmitze

[peak halo]

the overwhelming majority of code that needs to be written isn't solving optimization problems.

and if you fill your code with microoptimizations, it will be annoying to read and maintain

[wraith harbor]

Actually working on AI like what they do at OpenAI/Anthropic/etc you typically need to spend years of training to get an advanced degree like a PhD or Masters. It's not really the typical programmer path

[deep geyser]

Ofc i understand that it is not that easy, but i mean is it possible to start and go through building advanced projects and start a career in small companies like alignerr/ braintrust etc.

[near ocean]

Probably not without a list of academic credentials

[deep geyser]

Must be related to CS?

[near ocean]

Well yea somewhat

[finite meadow]

yo guys
I need smb who can code a simple game on python
similiar to a game on "stake" the gambling platform

flip a coin , plinko etc.

[near ocean]

DO NOT ASK FOR JOBS. DO NOT OFFER JOBS.
In the description

[finite meadow]

mb

[maiden sedge]

Howdy! My org is hiring a Python dev. Is there a place here where I can post the job?

I didn't see a dedicated channel

[deft herald]

nope

[maiden sedge]

Cool, thanks 🙂

[vapid jay]

what am i supposed to type to find the logcat message ?

[fringe sphinx]

This isn't the channel or sever for this question!

[olive pollen]

any microsoft jobs available ?

[peak halo]

I would check on their website

[remote yacht]

oh whats your degrees?

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 1356966539311583450 This is not a job board. Your post has been removed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @jovial goblet.

[wanton birch]

Anyone here found any resume making tools? The other day I found a site with some kick ass powerpoint templates. I wonder if there are sites where you can enter data and pick themes and try them out.

[peak halo]

look at latex-based resume templates

latex is basically code for documents instead of programs. you'll love it.

[wanton birch]

I am familiar with Latex. But why do you recommend that for resumes?

[peak halo]

you can version your resume with git and keep track of which commit you used for each application.

[tiny viper]

Hello everyone I am a little worried regarding the AI and computer science industry. I am concerned that purely technical jobs in computer science will be replaced by AI in near future and hence I'm second guessing my decision to major in comp sci

[wanton hazel]

Who's hiring a Python Expert?
Skills: Backend - Python Frameworks like Django, FastAPI, Flask, NodeJS... Frontend - Javascript, Typescript, React, Vue

[modest kraken]

No jobs here, also I wouldn’t hire anyone calling themselves an “expert”

[dense stag]

hey

[tardy adder]

Hi

[dense stag]

what is the most difficult thing ? on data extraction ?

[lyric nebula]

Anyone who is doing python then pls reply me in private

[robust pendant]

what's your issue ?

[wispy monolith]

Do you still need a help?

[finite meadow]

Hey
I already found smb
Thx

[wispy monolith]

If you need any help with development, feel free to hip me up.

Do you still need a help?

[hard musk]

Yes

[cedar peak]

What did you do in Python?

[wispy monolith]

Which help do you want?

[hard musk]

Like a said before

[wispy monolith]

Please DM and let me know.

[wispy monolith]

Do you have ss?

[fringe sphinx]

Just ask for help in #python-discussion , we don't really DM here.

[faint depot]

Got an interview for a Level 3 engineering apprenticeship tomorrow. Wish me luck

[wicked jackal]

what career makews the most money?

software engineer?

[sick fern]

Cybersecurity specialist
More like a pentester...

[wicked jackal]

cybersecurity or software engineer??

[near ocean]

There are many other careers that make more money than software engineers that arent tech related

[peak halo]

holding everything else equal, the most specialized positions that require the most training will pay the most.

[wicked jackal]

truee

[sick fern]

True 👍

[wicked jackal]

am js 14 so am curious abt what career i should pick before i commit to anything

[deft herald]

Fortunately you have 4-6 years to make this decision

[wicked jackal]

mhmmm

[deft herald]

Why not learn a bit of everything and see what you like?

Does no one read the description of the channel? Or the server rules?

i mean i know the answer is "no" but still

[wicked jackal]

cuz i have to pick from now

[proud glacier]

we don't allow looking for paid work on this server

[charred root]

Dm me

[deft herald]

What do you have to pick exactly? What country are you in?

[wicked jackal]

most of them i have to pick for now to do in gcse and a levels

[proud glacier]

why?

[static plaza]

Oh sorry

[wicked jackal]

for GCSE and A level

[proud glacier]

I'm not familiar with that system, but does the choice you make now restrict what courses you can take in university?

[wicked jackal]

yes

[wicked jackal]

thats why am looking from now so what i want doesnt get restricted

[proud glacier]

what are the choices available to you?

[wicked jackal]

the ones i remeber i forgot most of them cuz i am on holiday now are cybersecurity,it,software enghineer

[proud glacier]

at any rate I would encourage you to try out programming as a hobby, see if it's the kind of thing you would enjoy doing

[wicked jackal]

ye thats what am doing but idk how to get started what apps etc

[proud glacier]

https://www.pythondiscord.com/resources/?topics=general&type=book%2Ccourse%2Cvideo&payment-tiers=free&difficulty=beginner

[wicked jackal]

i bought this pc a week ago to do programming

[proud glacier]

Pick one of the resources from here and follow it ^

[wicked jackal]

okay thanks for the help

[wicked jackal]

much appreciated

[cedar marlin]

Guys good day

Need a little help who's active to chat with?

[charred root]

Dm me

[peak halo]

@charred root you are not allowed to ask for jobs here. Do not respond to people offering jobs on Discord as they are likely to be scams.

[charred root]

Okay

[peak halo]

@static plaza your message was removed for offering payment. If you have a question, use #1035199133436354600

@cedar marlin try asking your question in #1035199133436354600. it slows everyone down when you ask "who can help?" instead of asking your actual question

[visual flax]

can I take 5 minute on the job breaks?

[peak halo]

!clban 1319865396463013911 employment scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @iron reef permanently.

[peak halo]

what do you mean?

[visual flax]

so If I'm working for 1-2 hours on my shift

[peak halo]

oh I see
what kind of job are you talking about? a programming one?

[visual flax]

can I take a mental rest break of five minutes on that shift? Like in project management or engineering

[peak halo]

software development jobs don't usually have shifts. you have an annual salary that's paid out throughout the year. most companies won't actively police whether or not you're "working" for every minute between 9 to 5 as long as you do everything they expect you to do.

[visual flax]

what about jobs with an excel sheet and what not?

[peak halo]

like, a data entry clerk?

or you mean a time sheet?

[visual flax]

yea like thos that work with data, or excel or paperwork

[peak halo]

again, if you have an annual salary, you're not being paid for the exact number of minutes that you spend working. the time sheet is probably more of a way for the company to track how much time is going to each task.

[visual flax]

Interesting thank you, I'm trying to figure out if I can still be a good employee with a disability. You know not being able to work as much or as long as others

[next plover]

be vague if you tell your employer about your disability

[peak halo]

what country are you in?

[visual flax]

US

[visual flax]

Thats what my mom said and I wasn't I still obtained the job but It was foolish not to listen to her

[next plover]

yup

being disabled makes you worth less in the eyes of an employer because you can be less reliable

i dont plan on telling my boss past the "i am disabled" box until its really needed

[still condor]

Is there a box that you're required to fill in if you are disabled?

[visual flax]

Yes

[next plover]

checkbox when i applied

not required but i thought it wouldnt hurt

[peak halo]

the "americans with disabilities act" (ADA) requires that employers provide accommodations for people with disabilities as long as the accommodation isn't especially burdensome for the employer, and it allows the employee to be completely able to do the job.

the "are you disabled" checkbox isn't considered by the person receiving your application. it's only used to measure the company's compliance with a different part of the ADA.

[still condor]

isn't considered as in, the employer doesn't see it somehow?

[next plover]

i hate how america has all these protection laws then half the fucking states let you fire someone for any lie you can think of

[peak halo]

in large companies, I think it's just logged in a database, and the information isn't forwarded to the hiring manager.

[visual flax]

Do you guys know those who are mentally disabled and still successful in the workplacE?

[next plover]

yes

[peak halo]

not on-topic, but if a US politician ever mentions "state's rights", what they really mean is "I want my state to have regressive policies"

[next plover]

government small enough to fit in your house :)

[peak halo]

depends on the type and extent of the disability. if someone is intellectually disabled, they're relatively less likely to be successful as a programmer

[next plover]

on the other hand there is quite a lot of neurodivergence in tech which can sometimes also be a disability

[visual flax]

Whats a sign I should give up on a career?

[peak halo]

without answering that, what career are you trying to pursue and what issues are you having?

[visual flax]

Struggling with focus, I've been kicked out of classes for not being able to keep attention and talking to myself(getting emotional). Some teachers have felt like I'm over-bearing.

[next plover]

have you tried getting tested for ADHD

and or do you watch a lot of shortform content

and no do not give up

[visual flax]

yea I do but I have an illness I could also have ADHD. But I'm thinking of maybe getting medication since I'm doing near NT

[next plover]

id try it

[high glen]

Any advice?
I'm 17 rn and want to achieve great things in life. I have interest in every technical field I see. It feels like everything fascinates me and I want to learn everything idk what weird things I'm saying but it is what it is and bcz of it I feel so lost of what should I do so I'm thinking to start with programming and development as a main subject.

I also passed my 12 grade this year and going to pursue BCA from IGNOU(an open uni). Is it even a good choice? And how do I start my journey? Which language should I start learning first and all.

[near ocean]

Youre in the python server so python

[alpine blade]

hola… just a quick question…

do u need a grade in python to work in that department??? im taking python classes rn… 15 yr old 👌🏻 (not that u care)

if u have to go to a university to qualify for python… how long should u study it?

[wraith harbor]

university is the easiest route to getting a job in programming, python is just one language that you might learn or use. computer science degrees are usually 4 years, at least in the US, not sure what country you're in

[alpine blade]

idk how long u should study in south africa… thnx for the help though 👌🏻👌🏻

[near ocean]

Study for however long a bachelor degree is

[fickle cedar]

Hi, everyone, I have a question about study computer science ,Is study computer science really need better intelligence, sorry,my English is not well

[peak halo]

you don't need to be a super genius or anything, but you need good logical reasoning skills. that's basically what programming is.

[fickle cedar]

Thank you for your answer 🙏, I'm studying some basically grammar of python, If you have any good suggestions, just @ me

[high glen]

@fickle cedar wanna study together sometime?

I'm also new so I think it may help both of us

[fickle cedar]

Maybe you can do it self, I think study together actually can't help us better,because we are all beginners, but you can chat with me privately

[wintry valley]

I'm currently taking MOOC.fi Python programming course (total beginner.) I'm also interested

[high glen]

You guys are taking courses man imma learning on sololearn😭

@fickle cedar ok no problem

[finite meadow]

I need a lua scripter for roblox studio

[crystal trout]

Hey guys, how do u think about gaming industry career. Do you think people make a high salary of it?

[visual flax]

If you mean making games no. If you mean playing games no.

[pearl tree]

Is it impossible to land a programming job without a degree?

[peak halo]

It's exceptionally challenging. You would probably only be able to do it with connections that can get you in front of a hiring manager.

[pearl tree]

it feels stupid to waste time at a university just for a diploma, but i guess it's necessary

[peak halo]

Why do you think it's a waste of time?

The diploma is just a piece of paper, yes, but it isn't the point. The things that you have to do to earn it are

[pearl tree]

you have everything they can offer and more on the internet especially these days

[peak halo]

By passing courses at a university, you've proven that you know things to an agreed upon standard. If you only study on your own, people will have to take your word for it when you say that you have certain skills

[pearl tree]

dont interviews generally test you for the skills you said that you had

[peak halo]

They don't have enough time to test for all of them

[pearl tree]

ofc not, not like you will use all of them too

they test for the ones they need, and if you can fulfill that why would you need the degree at the first place?

[peak halo]

No I mean, they don't have time to test for all of the skills that they need you to have

[pearl tree]

well, yeah. not everything. but from that arguement university wont teach you everything you need either

[wraith harbor]

hiring is expensive and risky. if a new hire doesn't pan out, you end up losing more than if you just didn't hire anyone. from that perspective you can see why companies would prefer people with degrees. and if you don't have one, how can the company trust that you know how to program?

[regal axle]

One of the biggest things you can get from university is connections. The best parts of the degree are all the parts besides the things you learn in classes directly.

[next harness]

I'm currently a student in my 2nd year of an IT course, is it possible to get a remote part time internship, maybe a company that hires people from across the world, I think the experience will be super useful, and yes I'm also trying to educate myself I'm not just relying on university although I do have alot to learn I'm just thinking maybe in 6-10 months I could possibly land an internship

[smoky quest]

It would be far more likely to find an internship local to you, ideally on site.
Note also that part time internships are more like student jobs than internships proper.

[next harness]

Let's just say I don't live in a place where many of those are provided

close to none actually

[smoky quest]

There are tons of local IT opportunities to support local businesses

[next harness]

I live in Libya, and we don't really have many local IT jobs for students, they're usually only hiring seniors it's almost impossible to find someone that's hiring juniors or entry levels, so I was wondering if remote internships were an option

[next harness]

Also what do you mean by the last part

[smoky quest]

honestly, it's not gonna happen coming from Libya.

That's why I would focus on your local shop and stores. Your supermarket has wifi access points throughout the store that will need maintenance for instance. Who does it?

[next harness]

That's more like freelancing pretty much, that's not really what I'm looking for I kinda need experience in actual IT companies. Anyway one of my old friends relatives is literally working a full time remote job for a European company so I was wondering how he got that. sadly we don't talk anymore so I coudnt ask him

[smoky quest]

is he still in Libya?
Best time to reach out to him and say hi. That's part of networking

[next harness]

He is yea, he's not the only case I've heard of btw, it seems kinda common actually it's just idk if it's possible for someone that hasn't completed his degree yet

[smoky quest]

it's far easier if you have connections

[next harness]

Definitely. One of the reasons I'm here is to maybe find someone that's done what I want to do, would answer a few of the questions I have I guess

By the way it doesn't even have to be paid, I literally just want the experience something I can add to a personal website of mine for future opportunities

Although getting a small wage would be amazing

[smoky quest]

I mean, imagine from the other side: giving IT access to a stranger from a country at war, with the reputation it currently has, and with the current wave of fake AI generated applicants, is not a strong proposition.
That's why your strongest avenues are either local opportunities or connections. Maybe check also with your school and past students

[next harness]

I'm not sure why country reputation matters but yea I do understand what you mean, local opportunities are almost impossible for me though but I will look more into them, as for connections some of my professors may help, I am not sure though. Also this may sound a little weird but it's completely true, with how weak 3rd world country currencies are, some western companies prefer to hire people from those countries because of the currency exchange, $350 is the average monthly wage here, now imagine youre the person hiring. would you want to pay $350 a month or possibly $1500 or whatever the average is to satisfy someone from a western country

[smoky quest]

I'm not sure why country reputation matters

Consider the risk vs reward.
Would you give the admin password of your computer to someone in north korea? Given the current situation, that would be too much risk and there would not be any incentive to do so

[next harness]

I mean do interns usually get that much access?

[smoky quest]

there isn't much you can't do without some level of access.

Consider for instance that for many businesses, if you travel to some countries (China, etc.), you are forbidden from taking any electronic device and IT will give you a burner laptop/phone

[next harness]

Huh, I'm kinda confused sorry

I have no clue what you mean

[smoky quest]

in what way?

[next harness]

The example, I don't really understand what you're trying to say

[smoky quest]

Are you familiar with the concept of a "burner" laptop?

[next harness]

Yes

[smoky quest]

and do you understand why a company would give their employees a burner laptop when traveling to a country such as China?

[next harness]

I mean you mentioned it no?

China having strict rules and such

[smoky quest]

that's not China requiring travelers to use burner laptops

[next harness]

It's the company securing its data then I'm guessing

[smoky quest]

It's that the country is deemed hostile or unsafe and as such, companies want to protect their secrets with laptop they expect to be attacked

[next harness]

Yea but like what does this have to do with interns and what not

I might be a little slow I don't really know

[smoky quest]

as unfair as it sounds, companies from other countries will worry about any remote interns coming out of Libya, in a similar manner they would worry about remote interns from China

[next harness]

I don't think you'd need to worry about data leakage or whatever if you're hiring an intern, I also don't expect to have access to almost anything, usually minimal access so for a front end developer they'd just have access to what they need you know

[next harness]

No I definitely understand that, I wasn't born yesterday but I don't think that would be much of a problem no?

[smoky quest]

if it was true, we wouldn't be talking about it

[next harness]

I mean I don't really know, like I said I've seen cases where people work for companies abroad as Libyan citizens living in libya, it's probably gonna be much harder than being let's say a European citizen but I don't think its something I need to worry about TOO much no?

I guess my hopes are too high

[smoky quest]

I don't know anyone in my network who would hire anyone from Libya, even for free. While I have plenty of examples in my network of people hiring across continents (EU, Americas, Asia)

So that's why I would suggest to leverage your network and these people you know who work from your country. Or local businesses

[next harness]

Well I mean fair enough

[next harness]

I do appreciate the advice

[next harness]

Unfair world we live in, but hey I'd be more than happy on a $300 monthly wage as a Libyan citizen, that's like 2200-2300 LYD? around there, if you live by yourself no kids or a partner to care for, that's more than enough to cover rent + living expenses and you'd live a really good life AND you could probably save some leftover money

It's not as bad as you think, that might be a little biased but honestly I live in the capital and its genuinely not bad at all, I used to live in the UK. And with that said, I do plan on moving as soon as I get my degree

Yea I know I'm mainly tied with university right now so I can't really move out

Oh yea definitely, it's like living life on easy mode

The biggest struggle is making enough money to actually move out to Europe, getting paid in euros or dollars then converting to Libyan dinars is extremely nice but the opposite is an absolute nightmare, imagine a monthly wage of 250 euros how much you'd need to work/save up

is the salary difference really that big?

That's pretty crazy I had no clue

I just knew about the difference between UK salaries and US salaries how US salaries are alot higher I didn't know it was Europe in general

[pine sleet]

@next harness i just saw your original question but remote internships are uncommon especially for 2nd year students, and it's going to be incredibly rare to find one across countries since you also need to worry about things like work authorization

you really need to be getting in person internships locally, or be willing to move to wherever your internship is (these are the 2 most common things students do)

[next harness]

Yea I guess that makes sense

[smoky quest]

might be worth pinging your friend about it so you can share the tips about the north african market here

[next harness]

definitely not the answer I was looking forward to lol but I do appreciate the eye opener

[pine sleet]

it would be too good to be true, unfortunately. if you could work remotely from anywhere as a student and make lots of money while you do it

[next harness]

This is exactly what I've been seeing people talk about online and such and thats why I kinda had high hopes of landing a remote internship

[next harness]

I mean if I had to guess, I'd say most of those internships would either be unpaid or extremely low wages

Which I'm totally fine with ngl

[pine sleet]

i don't think it's even that. it's just a net negative for the company

[next harness]

Would be amazing if you did

You think? I think the experience is worth alot more than the money

[smoky quest]

yeah, a paid internship is better, but an unpaid internship is great too if you don't have any option

[next harness]

I don't think that's a bad idea but it's definitely no where near as good as getting real life experience, working with other developers and just seeing how real life companies work you know

[next harness]

Exactly what I'm saying, I obviously want it to be paid but if that's not an option I woudnt mind it being unpaid

You're probably right but I'm having this rush of motivation where I wanna start as early as possible lol it'll probably go away after a week or 2

Butif I COULD get a paid remote internship that would actually be awesome

Yea thank you for the information I do appreciate it

It would actually be amazing if you invited your friend over for some chats too

Yea ur definitely right, I shouldn't be jumping the gun without thinking, I mean honestly I'm not even ready for an internship right now, I still have alot to learn, I just thought why not look into it right now (not actually look for one just see if it's possible in the next few mo ths) and conversations like these are actually really helpful

sure yea, I'll add you and maybe I'll reach out another time and you could possibly arrange a talk between us

[crystal trout]

Guys what job does have a high salary from computer science people?

[latent mauve]

I am a student of btech cse from a tier 3 college please help me what should I do to learn skills

[rugged axle]

Wdy guys think of my failed products I mean I never did any proper marketing for them ? Thy were all made in week to a month

https://x1vi.github.io/pixelArtConverter/
https://x1vi.github.io/Learn-Kanji/
https://x1vi.github.io/github-visual/

[balmy mural]

3-4 years depending on your exact degree and which university you pick. Most universities in South Africa have a 3 year degree though, and then you can also do an honours after that. I'd highly recommend doing an honours if you have any interest in working outside of SA in the future, but that's a decision you only have to make in 5-6 years

[near ocean]

Where on this green earth is it still possible to work for no pay, why isnt this shit illegal

[tropic trench]

I have a certification for completing a course about how to use Microsoft Word, Excel, PowerPoint
It's a government sponsored course
Does it add no value while applying for a Software Developer role?
Should I include it in my resume?

[white relic]

familiarity with Word/Excel/Powerpoint is pretty much a given in any software or engineering adjacent role.

[worldly root]

Hi I'm currently working in a product support role, I want to switch to IT roles any suggestions would be really helpful to me. I thought a data analyst would be a good career but as an AI doing most of the job, I don't think it will be helpful in long run. Any suggestions please.

[white relic]

It may be slightly advantageous to mention it if you are applying to entry level roles and potentially competing with other people that don't have prior experience in an office with MS products, but it's slim.

I don't know any certifications for MS products and so the exact cert would be meaningless to me; just having "Office (Word/Excel/Powerpoint)" would be enough.

But it's not specifically relevant to software roles, so it's secondary to languages, frameworks, projects or whatever relevant experience you have

it's like "communication skills" or whatever, basically filler.

There may be regional differences; like I said, if the people you're competing with are mostly office-naive

[tropic trench]

What does office-naive mean?

[white relic]

naive means inexperienced

around here, it's difficult to graduate high school without some familiarity with office software

people use powerpoint (or similar) in class presentations, word to write papers

if you live in a region where most people don't have access to a computer and haven't heard of office software, they're naive to it

[tropic trench]

Can you also tell how would you mention that course details in your resume?

Because the course title does not tell that it's about learning Microsoft Office suite tools

[white relic]

I would not

if you have a skills section, just put "Microsoft Office" or "Word, Excel and Powerpoint"

I find it unlikely anyone reading a resume is going to care about the course details

not for software development and adjacent roles, anyway

[rugged wharf]

Русский разрешен?

[white relic]

Please use English, in keeping with the #rules .

[rugged wharf]

sorry bro

[sturdy knoll]

What programming languages worth to learn in 2025?

[peak halo]

python

[sturdy knoll]

Only?

[peak halo]

you can learn javascript if you want to do web development.

[sturdy knoll]

I learn Java Swing now ( GUI things ) also can you modify this channel cooldown to 2 seconds or something

[peak halo]

@sturdy knoll improving as a programmer doesn't mean just learning a bunch of languages. but if you feel like learning a new one, you might choose one based on what kind of projects you want to do, and pick a language that's widely used for that kind of project.

we won't change the slow mode in this channel because it's there to encourage slower and more thoughtful discussion. you just have to say everything you want to say all in one message.

[sturdy knoll]

I agree that mastering concepts is more important than just collecting languages, but I also enjoy exploring new ones to see different paradigms and approaches. It helps me think differently when solving problems.

[peak halo]

which languages have you used?

[sturdy knoll]

For now I've learnt some basics of Python, Java, HTML and CSS

[peak halo]

you can try learning a functional language. or you can do what the cool kids are doing and learn a high-performance language like rust.

[sturdy knoll]

Rust is hard to understand and it needs a lot of work

Any functional language you’d recommend for a beginner?

Also when do I become intermediate or Advanced?

[peak halo]

I don't use any functional languages. there will probably be someone in this chat with strong opinions.
there isn't an objective way to measure skill. it's fair to say that you "know" a language when you don't need to refer to a language reference to understand the execution semantics of a given piece of code, even if you don't ultimately know what it does.

[sturdy knoll]

So basically real fluency is when the language syntax and semantics feel second nature even if the logic itself is new to you I like that definition

[smoky quest]

https://dev.realworldocaml.org/

[tiny remnant]

Hello

Is dsa with python is good to get hired and holds same credibility as dsa with c++ or java

[smoky quest]

In all my interviews, be it as a candidate or interviewer, the candidate was able to choose whatever language they feel the most comfortable with

[tiny remnant]

Are you working professional rn from india

[smoky quest]

nope

[regal ember]

Why are some rust developers so obnoxious toward the less, for lack of a better word?

[peak halo]

I can't speak for them, but generally speaking, developers are passionate about their tools.

[left frigate]

Sorry for being off topic but I desperately need help is anyone from china here?

[peak halo]

always ask your actual question. what would you ask someone from china if they were here?
please ask your actual question in the channel that most closely relates to it, or in one of the three off-topic channels

[left frigate]

sorry didn't know there were off topic channels

[sturdy knoll]

Prolouge? looks only AI language

[regal ember]

Touche. I see them quote factors such as difficulty level though say compared to Python

[smoky quest]

prolog is awesome and worth learning as well!

[sturdy knoll]

I mean it's used only in AI, isn't it?

[smoky quest]

It's used in AI or anything that would benefit from logic programming and expressing your problem in that way

[sturdy knoll]

ok when do I learn Linux basics for Python or not just Python just when?

[smoky quest]

These are independent things that can be learned independently from each others

[sturdy knoll]

Alright thanks

[smoky quest]

These are all fun to learn and play with!

[sturdy knoll]

Yeah I am learning now basics of terminal

[green dawn]

Guys genuine question

I just started learning python today, when I become somewhat professional what will it help me in

[sturdy knoll]

You need to learn Basics first then OOP to finish the basics of Python then Data Structures and Algorithms

https://roadmap.sh/python

Here a roadmap for Python

[modest steeple]

Any girl coder is here?

[delicate swift]

🤨

[peak halo]

uh, why do you ask?

[tight narwhal]

definitly to flirt😅

[delicate swift]

Well, that was definitely straightforward of you

[fair kindle]

Hi.
I have a question, ahhhh what's the difference between studying in College with teacher and self study?
I think the college has more details than self study?

[pine sleet]

it's more structured and you also get to network with people

[fair kindle]

In programming

[near ocean]

The college gives you a piece of paper telling other people that you know x and y and z things

[fair kindle]

Okay for example Software engineer technician or game developer. I see it needs a college and teacher/guide to know the roadmap and modules of study and course.
@pine sleet this is what i need it.
Absolutely I can't learn Physics and Mathematics by myself. It's impossible.

[pine sleet]

yeah most universities will make you study physics and math too

[peak halo]

@edgy egret this is the career discussion channel. please remove your message and images from this channel and find the one that's most suited for it.

[edgy egret]

Okay sorry

Where can i get help with this?

[peak halo]

try opening a thread in #1035199133436354600. please follow all instructions from the Python bot.

[edgy egret]

Thank you

And sorry

[open ivy]

What are companies doing to avoid the flood of AI slop job applications?

There is now "agental AI" which can automatically analyze and fill out forms etc.

[deft herald]

Agentic. But yeah that's a bummer

I suppose that question can be extended to any industry

Like I doubt there are many real estate listings that are purely written by humans any more

[near ocean]

AI sourced job postings might actually turn out better than hand written HR slop
Recruiters cant be bothered to figure out how an experience tag works

Or did you mean AI agents applying to job posts

[open ivy]

There are services that apply for jobs on your behalf which I am considering using (concerns about infosec exist however).

The nature of specialization is that we all do what we are good at. I am not good at tailoring each application, so might as well leave it to professional services once I have a good resume. Just like how I don't grow my own food or smelt my own metal despite knowing the basics of how those are done.

[pine sleet]

if the resume is good, then it's good. if you can get AI to spit out a great resume then there shouldn't be an issue

[open ivy]

I would assume you build a good resume once and then feed it into the service.

The service handles the tedious steps of sending out applications, making small changes to taylor the application, etc. It does not replace making the core resume itself.

[pine sleet]

sure, at the end of the day if it's better than the application of the people who spent a lot of time perfecting their application for a specific job then it works

[open ivy]

The process of "perfecting an application" is limited by the genericness of the job descriptions. The whole application process is tedious and thus a good AI target.

Are companies fighting back against these services to avoid too much spam? Or do they like getting a lot of applicants.

[wraith harbor]

I think the resume tweaking stuff is a bit overblown. If you have good experience/projects you'll get interviews. If you're not getting interviews, then make some good projects

If you're getting interviews and not getting hired, get better at interviewing

[steady kraken]

I need some advice

At risk of saying too much, I've got a criminal record. I actually did time (80 days). This forced me to leave school mid way through my degree. Now I'm dirt poor and having trouble getting back into the world. I was an A/B student the entire time I was in school, and I've been coding over 13 years. Having been through it, I know now that I already knew about 80% of what they taught me. My point is that I've got far more exposure to code and confidence than the average recent grad even if I don't have a degree

But... criminal record... Lack of degree. How do I get a job?

[smoky quest]

The same way than everyone else:

• Make yourself attractive in the market through a combination of education, experience and projects. Given you lack on the first two parts, it means having strong enough projects
• Don't lie about your criminal record
• Yes, having a criminal record and the lack of degree have certainly closed a lot of doors to you, but it doesn't mean you cannot find a job in the domain. It's just going to be a path of far more extreme resistance and with far less opportunities and compensation

[smoky quest]

Companies love getting many strong applicants.
Companies hate getting tons of spam or weak applicants

[smoky quest]

There is a limit to what these companies can do, stopping short of unethical behavior like lying, if your resume is not getting any attention, there is no reason to think tailoring it would improve the odds

[noble valve]

guys am new to python and am learning it

can anyone help me to learn python easily?

[cunning stag]

Don't just watch tutorial, practice and make project even they are not perfect thats just starting

[untold herald]

!rule ad how about no

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[still condor]

!warn @earnest nimbus Please read our rules and the channel description. We do not allow posting jobs.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @earnest nimbus.

[barren lotus]

yea pretty useless degree huh

[frank locust]

I can't believe your university is that good and still didnt find it

[barren lotus]

idk, everyone I know says the market is really bad right now

[frank locust]

How did you get motivated to take on that degree? What passion did you have at that time?

[barren lotus]

this is the first time I've heard anyone say that

[frank locust]

As far as I know, you have internships that are good

[barren lotus]

engineering medical devices. my dissertation is in the use of polarized raman spectroscopy in brain tissue via fiber optics

[frank locust]

You could have become a doctor

[barren lotus]

no, not really

the doctor track is very different here, from engineering

[frank locust]

I mean instead of biomedical engineering, you opt for a doctor degree

[barren lotus]

perhaps

i probably cant pay for the medicine school fees though

[frank locust]

I thought you were interested in how these tools are made

[barren lotus]

well yea i did engineer the technique

working from the research that had already been done before, of course

i didn't invent a whole ass technique from scratch

[frank locust]

So it was school fees problem. That's unfortunate

[barren lotus]

i never was very interested in interacting with the patients though

im more interested in designing the devices that the doctors and nurses use

[frank locust]

Unfortunately, you focused more on research than on production side of these tools. If you continue to pursue this career, you would have ended up as professor (after PhD). This is what someone else did

[frank locust]

Also companies that produce these tools are not many, hence the rarity of the job

[barren lotus]

i guess? these medical device companies dont really put their R&D in singapore though

[frank locust]

You have more hospitals than companies that makes these tools in general

[barren lotus]

still, i was hoping that with my experience and internship in software engineering

that i could land a job in this field
but alas one backup is no backup

[frank locust]

Even most of these companies are mostly found in the west and china. Most of hospital tools are imported ones

[frank locust]

If you chose to go instrument engineering in general, these tools sell a lot

In fact, my family imports them from china and sells them a lot

[barren lotus]

bit too late for me right?

kinda just have to continue looking for a job with what i have

[frank locust]

Very unfortunate to be honest

[frank locust]

It is better to keep refining your existing experience

Did you work in hospitals or did you keep getting jobs outside hospital (in field of software)

[barren lotus]

i mean, while looking for a job ive so far picked up SQL, scala, and golang

[barren lotus]

i did actually, as an intern, of course

[frank locust]

You need to stay closely with hospital because that's where you might find your opportunities

At least the ones you like

[barren lotus]

our hospitals here employ a lot of foreign nurses, so the working rights quota is reserved for nursing

[frank locust]

When i talked with nurses, i found they have one big problem. They are not even good at technology and struggle with hospital instruments

[barren lotus]

it's true

[frank locust]

Why dont you compete for job to maintain them these instruments?

[barren lotus]

that was my internship

[frank locust]

That's a good start

[barren lotus]

well, unfortunately i dont have any nursing qualifications

[frank locust]

Dont give up on that, you have bio "medical" degree still.

[barren lotus]

i am still trying

[frank locust]

The issue is that you need to find hospitals that seriously have issues with this. You might have to expand your searching scale

[barren lotus]

and also im not willing to move

[frank locust]

Don't be afraid of traveling

[frank locust]

I think you limit yourself with that. I know comfortzone feels good but you get rewarded more

[barren lotus]

no, sorry about that, i grew up here, most of my extended family is here, my friends are here

[frank locust]

Then, you can double down on searching locally. This time not just by online searching but by going to hospital physically.

Also, the place where you intern is where you should regularly check for hiring positions

[barren lotus]

the place where I internet?

[frank locust]

Yes, autocorrect

[barren lotus]

oh, i mean....... i still do, not manually of course

i wrote a scraper to help me get all the jobs and parse them and put them into a spreadsheet

[frank locust]

When you open job platform, recruiter will see hundreds if not thousands in front of him. When you go physically, he will see you in front of him and you will be his focus.

The only caveat is that they are sometimes busy so you need to do something about that

[barren lotus]

ive been to multiple job fairs where i physically spoke to the hiring manager

[frank locust]

Did you get their contact information?

[barren lotus]

with escalating levels of begging as time went on

well, yea, but in the end, it's all "please apply at our company site"

[frank locust]

So come back by yourself and physically visit us

[barren lotus]

to their physical company address?

[frank locust]

Also dont beg. It is not a charity, but rather they are the ones that should need you and you are the one that proves you can do something they need.

[frank locust]

It is going to be stressful but physical connections are very valuable, even more valuable than internet ones.

[barren lotus]

hmmmmmm

i want to say that it doesnt work that way

but like i never tried it before
and scientific experiment is all about trying and writing it down

i will keep it in mind, thanks

[frank locust]

If you want to do that, you will have to stay inside universities which is where most of R&D happen. In fact, companies partner with universities to do their R&D there most of the time. So you will have to get master and PhD if you want to continue working as researcher

[barren lotus]

oh

[frank locust]

Not sure about your university but after PhD, you start climbing professor rankings

Which is where you do researches and give lectures (with paid salary)

[barren lotus]

i mean... isnt that everyone's dream lmao

well, exaggeration, but you get my point

[frank locust]

I once suggested someone to be professor, guess what he told me Lol

[barren lotus]

what lmao

[frank locust]

To be honest, being a professor at a Uni nowadays would be a pretty bad outcome in itself, because if you're not tenured (and few around my age are) you won't have any job security and you'd be depending ONLY on grants to feed your family. Moreover, you'd have a salary progression with a meagre slope and a workload and stress levels that far exceed the paycheck. What I would need is an industry position that leverages all my hats and pays accordingly, but that's a unicorn rarer than unicorns themselves.

But he was from Australia and simply didnt like it

[barren lotus]

welllll, he's not wrong

hup, gtg

[frank locust]

Have fun

[vapid jay]

which are the better resource for dsa? youtube ? neetcode? book? some sort of docs out there somewheere
id love to know

[dusty talon]

I am gonna keep this simple, what would be the best data science related job and most realistic job for someone who wants to work remotely, also what would everyone recommend for me who has zero experience except from knowing to use python to do to get that job?

[peak halo]

I don't think there are any jobs like that.

[dusty talon]

Ml engineer then would not work?

[peak halo]

absolutely not. those jobs are competitive and require a lot of specialized knowledge.

[dusty talon]

Data scientist?

[balmy cloud]

how can i get software clients fast like web or app or any software at all

[peak halo]

same answer.

[peak halo]

you can look at websites like upwork and fiverr.

[dusty talon]

Then what should i do?

[peak halo]

if you're not able to get formal training in data science or AI at a university, I would look at other careers.

[balmy cloud]

but i dont have any prior like i need clients in days

[dusty talon]

So universities are absolutely necessary

[peak halo]

there's basically no way you'd be able to compete with other applicants who have degrees in DS or AI if you don't have one.

[dusty talon]

Coursera certificate would not be a good replacement either

[peak halo]

No, because you'd be outcompeted by an applicant with a degree

[dusty talon]

Also if i have some interesting projects those wouldn't help?

[peak halo]

No, they won't even look at your projects if they get more applicants with a degree than they can interview.

data science and AI are the most degree-requiring branch of coding.

[dusty talon]

Oh that's interesting what would be the least?

[peak halo]

probably web development

[dusty talon]

What about ai cloud engineers?

[peak halo]

what is an AI cloud engineer that is different from a cloud engineer?
in either case, those are very likely going to require a degree to be competitive.

and for the record, I think the education system is a mess, at least in the US. this is just how it works under present circumstances, unfortunately.

[dusty talon]

So should i just not even bother with programming then?

[dusty talon]

Same for where i live

[peak halo]

is there any chance you can reevaluate your willingness to get a degree?
in either case, there are advantages to learning programming even if it's not directly relevant to your career goals.

[dusty talon]

Well from the country i live in it is gonna be a lot more difficult except if me finishing highschool and doing a specifically programming as my classes for two years helps

[peak halo]

what country is this? there might be people from your country who can give tailored advice.

[dusty talon]

Greece

[peak halo]

I know at least one Greek who frequents this channel--they'll probably be around later.

[dusty talon]

Sadly there are not a lot of people who bother with programming here but the few people i asked did not need to get a degree

[dusty talon]

That would be helpful thanks a lot

[white relic]

valid concerns about the career path aside, "I don't want to become a professor because I won't get tenure" is a bit of a self-fulfilling prophecy innit

[peak halo]

when I was in college for linguistics, I think half my classmates wanted to be professors

[frank locust]

He just didnt like the idea of becoming a professor. I met a lot of professors that are doing well. I talked with them and asked them in details about their job. They are well respected in their environment. They have assistants and uni office always try to accommodate them. Too bad it requires a minimum of master degree that is rare, you must be PhD to actually have a good chance. The guy in question already has PhD.

The ones I know do some small businesses as well. They write and sell book during their free time. Even if they are not sold a lot, they spread well around university and even become teaching materials. They can also apply for foreign universities to give one time lecture. You get treated like a prince if you go internationally. They will pay for everything including flight, hotel, and days holiday just to give some hours lectures.

But I digress I didn't argue back nor replied after he said that.

[frank locust]

You have professor and doctor. They are the most streamlined and the one with highest chance to get a job career path i have seen so far. Not much efforts, but it is maybe because they demand so many years of education that they became like this.

[peak halo]

!clban 1405378785448038500 nsfw advertising

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @topaz tusk permanently.

[frank locust]

My brother chose doctor path. Good for him. I used to disagree with him because it was too much hassle in life for a job but after education it is easy to get a job

[pallid galleon]

Anyone can involve in my web project? If can , please text to me

[peak halo]

@drifting folio what you asked about is against the rules on this server. your message was removed.

[fast fossil]

wait, you don't choose a career path based on what you like/enjoy/are interested in?

[deft herald]

This isn't the place for recruiting

[night sleet]

I'm a python web developer, i can do automation web extraction services and i do yfinance,

[steady kraken]

People are going to have strong opinions about this, and so take this with a big spoonfull of salt, but

ChatGPT is a great resource for this. Do NOT trust it implicitly, since the code it writes is hit and miss at best

[near ocean]

What makes it a great resource then

[steady kraken]

It can explain concepts

[near ocean]

But if you shouldnt trust it that means nothing

[steady kraken]

Like OOP and functional programming, the decorator pattern, how parsers work. It can't code per sey, but it can walk you through fundamentals. It's also all the documentation for every library ever written

I use it perpetually. It taught me how to build a diffusion model, and it's been helping me build an interpreter

In a nutshell, it can spot check individual lines of code, explaining what every part does plus any side effects. And one thing it's really, really good for is if you hand it a big yucky stacktrace, it'll tell you why you're getting an error

[noble valve]

thx

[steady kraken]

Its ability to code is improving by leaps and bounds. It still can't write entire programs very well, but it can read code quite well. And its theoretical understanding is really good, which makes it a good tutor. Its a central repository of documentation, great for debugging, and makes a great "rubber duckie" you can talk with when you just need to game stuff out because it actually talks back. Plus, and this is just my personal experience, its polite and supportive.

Oh! And! I just found this out - if you need a quick GUI for something simple, the new ChatGPT5 can whip one up in seconds

[deft herald]

Yeah i do this a lot too. But at some point, i feel like i'm just doing the same amount of work to get the task done

We have our own in house code agent that uses a few different models you can select from; i currently use gemini and it does pretty well most of the time

[open ivy]

Is "tailoring a resume" mostly about leaving stuff out?

1. Take "every" cool thing we did.
2. Rank them in importance to what is displayed on the job application.
3. Include enough top ranking details so the resume fits in one page.

I really don't see much else. "motivated person" "excellent communication skills" "excellent problem solving skills" "willing to learn" etc so much generic text means not much to taylor for.

So the strategy of "spend a long time on one application" is rarely useful? Because how could "spending time" help much when it's all going into the ATS?

[vapid jay]

whats cheaper o of n or o of 1?

[near ocean]

what does that mean, this is probably the wrong channel to ask in

[vapid jay]

w lisna your cool

[open ivy]

Early career we don't have credentials as in years of industry.

But we still have passion, motivation, social skills, etc! I don't know how to show that on an application besides a link to personal projects.

Networking can demonstrate these traits better thankfully.

How did you actually get someone to look at them? Like the ATS black hole does not care.

My passion projects are physics simulation. I recently discovered (rediscovered?) and implemented a way to reduce numerical damping for smooth particle hydrodynamics simulations.

Now to translate that to what industry wants to see... not my strong suit but I will try.

Yes, seeing the fluid vortexes not die out as quickly was a good, if small, feeling of success.

[cedar peak]

print("hello world")

[open ivy]

I am working on an optimization toolkit that is similar to C++ templates. But it will work with Python and operate on Python (perhaps compiling down to C eventually, as @numba.njit Numba is pretty similar to C anyway with unchecked array access etc).

The goal is to be like how C++ templates can be used for outputting optimized code, only the templating language is Python.

[vapid jay]

if i delete a discord post. however they made the datastructure for post weather an array or linkedlist. will it be deleted from the database?

[peak halo]

you'd have to ask Discord. they're the ones who store messages that are posted in this server. You can use #community-meta if you have a question about that.

[peak halo]

that's not a careers question; ask in #python-discussion

[blazing citrus]

I'm a senior PHP developer — GASP! — on the job hunt. There are lots of jobs using Python that sound amazing, and I'm trying to apply to them. I've been doing web development for almost 25 years. I want to branch out into Python. At heart, I'm a backend dev. I've already started learning Python. I know I can learn it. I learn much faster when I'm working on real problems. What can I write in my cover letter to persuade them to hire me to learn Python on the job? I'm starting with I’m strongly interested in Python. In fact, I have already started getting up to speed. I’ll use any language to help serve the customer. — but I think it can be better. Thoughts?

[wise raft]

Idk if this counts as career discussion but I was thinking of skipping comp science 1 which is in Python for me can anyone share resources or tips

[smoky quest]

the answer to your question is the same than "why would an employer pay you to learn python when they can hire people who already know python?"

[smoky quest]

I would recommend against skipping classes, even if you feel comfortable with the topic. It's always good to refresh and you never know if you will learn something new

[blazing citrus]

If you're a CS major, then I'd say take the class. It's likely going to be a prerequisite for more advanced classes - which is where the fun is. If you're already familiar with the material, it should be an easy class for you. Take the win.

[wise raft]

The things is I didn't get comp science 1 as my elective for the year

And ive alr done a paid course outside on python with certification so I alr know a bunch of stuff

[smoky quest]

ah so it's a different context

[wise raft]

What do u recommend now

[smoky quest]

no idea. I take people after they are done with school, not when they get in

[wise raft]

K what about you @blazing citrus

[deft herald]

Is that even an option to skip it? This is a question you should probably ask your advisor

[wise raft]

Okay

[deft herald]

You can probably ask if there's an option to just test out of it too

[wise raft]

Yeah that's what I'm doing exam of acceleration

Or what about AP comp principles

[deft herald]

What about it?

That was an AP class you took in high school?

[wise raft]

No like should I skip that one

[deft herald]

A college class? Or are you still in high school? Can you give more context?

[wise raft]

Oh shoot I forgot about that.

So, I am Ishaank Bansal, a freshman in highschool in America, I alr know python pretty well because I took a course on it outside of school, and I haven't taken any comp science courses for the year.

I am thinking of majoring in either comp science or some other type of engineering

[deft herald]

Ok. I would take the AP class; especially if you feel like you already know most of the material. Like awoods said, take the easy A and get college credit for it (most AP courses will get you college credit but i suppose it will depend on the univeristy and degree program in question). If anything, getting the transfer credit will save you money too

[wise raft]

I can't take it now, the schedule corrections don't allow me to switch classes, and I might do AP comp science principles next year but Im not gonna take comp science 1 so either I give the exam to earn credit or dont get comp science 1 credit

[deft herald]

Ok well you're a freshman. You don't need to take AP classes yet

[wise raft]

K what about comp science 1

[deft herald]

Is that AP?

[wise raft]

No

[deft herald]

Is it required for graduation or is it a prereq for any other classes?

[pine sleet]

if you take AP computer science you can usually skip the intro CS course in college

[paper kettle]

does anyone know if it's possible to login into my pc if I forgot my password?

without resetting any files

[pine sleet]

off topic for this channel, but yes there should be a forgot password option on your PC's lock screen

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-or-reset-your-password-in-windows-8271d17c-9f9e-443f-835a-8318c8f68b9c

[wise raft]

No but without it, I won't have any HS courses for python, even tho I know it

[wise raft]

I am taking that next year(sophomore)

[pine sleet]

great

[wise raft]

So should I just not care about comp science 1

[pine sleet]

you should ask your advisor. all i'm saying is that you should take AP comp sci since it transfers into college credit

[wise raft]

K I'm taking that next year Ive emailed my counselors about this so hopefully they can tell me

[inner wren]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[peak halo]

<@&831776746206265384> weird message from @orchid breach

[summer roost]

!pban 1299845280631357460 spam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @orchid breach permanently.

[lucid matrix]

Possibly relevant to you: APCSA is modifying the curriculum starting this year (2025-2026)

https://apcentral.collegeboard.org/courses/ap-computer-science-a/future-revisions

[wise raft]

Ehh I decided not to do it because I realized it doesn't even matter that much

[flint hearth]

i've gotten an offer for some kubernetes contractor work, i'm wondering what the industry rate is for something like that?

online, via deepseek, it's telling me that 120 USD/hr is reasonable

[peak halo]

Freelancers/contractors have to charge more per hour than a typical annual salary would amount to per hour because you're paying for your own healthcare and retirement.

How many YOE do you have?

[flint hearth]

for actual kubernetes work, no formal experience beyond my CKA and CKS certifications, which are pretty hard to get. i have 3.5 years working with IoT, full stack, and cloud development at my previous jobs

the place i'm looking to get hired on as a contractor is specifically looking for someone with the intersection of skills between IoT and K8s

[fringe sphinx]

And, any salary or rate advice from amy online source is going to be next to useless

Ai or not.

[peak halo]

Even Glassdoor?

[fringe sphinx]

IMO., garbage

[flint hearth]

I mean, I was taking a look at Levels.fyi too.

[fringe sphinx]

It's like yelp reviews

Garbage in garbage out

[flint hearth]

what would you recommend instead?

[fringe sphinx]

Tbh, there is no good source, if there was, then they'd all be pretty good

If that makes any sense

[flint hearth]

well, that's not really actionable on my part. i need to set a rate as a contractor, and so i need to support that with at least some semblance of industry rates.

[fringe sphinx]

120/hr, for instance, is very inflated for a full time entry-ish level role

In my experience

That's about a 240k/year full time equivalent salary

[flint hearth]

this isn't really entry-level, more intermediate to senior
but yea, i agree, i've never encountered such high numbers before, so i really don't have an idea of a ballpark on where to start.

i do know that my previous company that I was with was charging people something like 160 CAD/hr for every engineering hour that they billed out. but that was also a larger company, for relatively simple full-stack work

[fringe sphinx]

And, that's what they were charging out, not what they paid the workers, right?

[flint hearth]

yes, ofc, we were getting shafted in terms of what we got paid, all of us less than 50% of that rate for sure

[fringe sphinx]

The fundamental rule of pricing is: you're worth what people will pay.

Which is entirely not helpful, but it's true

[rancid canyon]

hi, i just started learning python for first time this week how long till i can land a job

[peak halo]

Probably in at least four years

[rancid canyon]

really? why do you say that?

[summer roost]

most professional software developers have computer science degrees, which take on average 4 years to get. Those people will be your competition for getting jobs

[open ivy]

I always wondered why it's rare to get technically assessed on job applications? Like that is my best foot forward but I rarely even got to use it!

[peak halo]

Are you not getting to that stage when you apply or what?

[smoky quest]

Usually, a recruiter is assigned to a given req. Given a work week of 40h and initial call of 30min (so prior to any technical assessment), that means you can expect at most 80 candidates being called back per week.
Though recruiters do usually work on more than one req at a time and the real number will be closer to 10-20 per week

[frank locust]

The market is brutal. We adjust to what we can get with current resources (time and money) and enjoy our hobbies.

[summer roost]

it seems pretty depressing to get stuck doing something you find uninteresting for ~40 years

I enjoy most of what I do for work. I think that's true for most people, tbh

[frank locust]

Yes, we have to adjust expectations

[summer roost]

that's weird

[barren lotus]

i was watching a video earlier and i am reminded that i dont actually know where i am in the skills ladder of programming

[summer roost]

might be time to find a new job, tbh, if most of the people around you don't like what they're doing

[barren lotus]

i have no idea how i stack up against other people

[smoky quest]

What is your current situation? Are you a student? A professional?

[barren lotus]

just graduated

but im in the weird spot of i have been coding for about 10 years now and i have been doing an internship in uni for about 3 years

[summer roost]

huh? everyone has a chance to shape their career path. People aren't just born and told "you're gonna be a plumber" or whatever

[smoky quest]

then you can look at the grades when graduating, your call back rate when applying to jobs, etc.

[barren lotus]

i didnt graduate from cs

[smoky quest]

the principle remains. You can look at resumes shared in this channel for comparison

[smoky quest]

There are also career ladders like https://progression.fyi/ or https://dropbox.github.io/dbx-career-framework/overview.html but that might not be super useful yet for you

I don't think any of these matter.
What matters is you should create the conditions for yourself to be successful, regardless of your neighbor

chance favors the prepared mind

[barren lotus]

hmmm

[summer roost]

uh, sure, fine, but that hardly seems relevant since the whole conversation has been about career choice. the fact that some people live in countries where they literally have no choice seems totally irrelevant to the choices that people should make if they're in a position to choose

[smoky quest]

that sounds racist

Regardless of the country you are born in, there is nothing that should prevent you from trying to create the conditions for yourself to be successful. No matter which country it is

[barren lotus]

i guess it's more of i think im at L3? but like, what if I am actually really shit and I belong in L1

[smoky quest]

telling people to give up any ambition because of their origin is a terrible advice

[summer roost]

the person you were originally replying to said their brother is studying to be a doctor. I'm not sure where this "born in a worse off position" thing is coming from, but it seems like a complete non sequitur

[smoky quest]

you would be associate/entry

[barren lotus]

i bring up this point because the video was talking about how junior devs might not be able to solve a simple exception and has to resort to claude chatgpt etc, but like, I write entire projects alone. creating a project has become more of a chore to me than a challenge, well, unless it's a language or a library I have never used before.

[smoky quest]

#career-advice message

[barren lotus]

like, maybe creating these projects are just basic stuff that anyone should be able to do?

[smoky quest]

I can't speak for that video, but that sound below entry level/associate, at least the case described by the video

[barren lotus]

what sounds? oh in the video? for sure

[summer roost]

I'm not seeing it. I know plenty of people with jobs in all walks of life, and almost all of them enjoy what they do, independent of education level and independent of income level.

you seem to be assuming that I'm only friends with white collar folks, or something?

[barren lotus]

one of the project that I have done before, involves scraping jobs off job boards, processing strings for keywords, uploading the info to google sheets, making edits to latex files, compiling them into pdfs. to me, this project feels like a small project that an intermediate coder should be able to do, right? L1 level engineer

[smoky quest]

That still sounds like an entry level project.
Given you want to get your first job, target entry level jobs that are below 2 years of experience required

[barren lotus]

what would be more of an intermediate level project?

[smoky quest]

someone who has had experience shipping software as part of a business

[barren lotus]

in TS yes, not in python

[smoky quest]

what is the ARR?

[barren lotus]

unfortunately i dont have access to the figures

[smoky quest]

Were you paid for that? How many years?

[barren lotus]

3 years, paid internship

though at that time i was still really bad lol

[smoky quest]

ah internships are great but not the same as a real job

[barren lotus]

well, every internship is different

[smoky quest]

it's tautological for internships. You won't have the same responsibilities as an entry level engineer

[barren lotus]

i suppose

still, it sounds like i should be able to get an entry level job right?

[smoky quest]

If you have an anonymized version of your resume, I could tell you right away

[summer roost]

well, the stats are pretty easy to find, now that you mention it - https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2024/12/10/job-satisfaction/ shows that more than 40% of Americans consider themselves "extremely satisfied" or "very satisfied" with their jobs, and that only around 1 in 7 people describe themselves as "not too satisfied" or "not at all satisfied" with their jobs.

49% say that they're extremely or very satisfied with their day-to-day tasks at work, and only 12% say that they are dissatisfied (with the remaining 39% giving a neutral answer).

The stats bear out that you're around 4x as likely to enjoy your job as to not enjoy it.

[delicate swift]

Is it really that strange that people may chose to work with something they aren't miserable doing?

I understand. People may be forced to work shitty jobs in order to sustain themselves. But that is, fortunely, not the vast majority

[smoky quest]

Lisan has a point in terms of not everyone having the opportunity to do so. For instance, someone who made a mistake and has jail time in their history. Or someone who is born with a handicap. They might find it difficult to do something they truly love and might have to settle by necessity of having an income.
Though I disagree in terms of using that as an excuse to bring down everyone else. Everyone should try to maximize their happiness, including the people I mentioned above

[summer roost]

sure, it's absolutely true that not everyone can find a job that they find fulfilling, but most people do

[smoky quest]

the summary is that, yes, you should be able to get one.
The longer part is we frequently review resumes here and can give you direct and actionable feedback

my bad if you didn't mean it that way.
Though if it is about who is the most unhappy or happy, that's not something I am interested either

[delicate swift]

Isn't the research GG linked independent

[barren lotus]

mind if i dm you? i cant upload a pdf

[smoky quest]

try to post a picture

this way you can get feedback from others

[barren lotus]

sure

[summer roost]

yep, it is

pew research is an extremely trustworthy pollster tbh

[barren lotus]

im ready for the roasting btw

just give it to me doc

[lilac yoke]

1. resumes need to be 1 page

2. designs on your resume are unnecessary: it only needs to be scannable, readable by AI

3. "highlights" section is abnormal, probably unnecessary. use that space for a professional summary of why you are qualified for some particular position (application specific)

4. toss the "read more" bullet point, instead try to get it on the same line as the title

5. relevant courses & self study section is unnecessary

aim to have a 1 page, concise resume targeted for some specific job. neither an AI nor the actual recruiters care about anything not mentioned on the job description.

you may have redacted it, but you don't have your major listed?

[barren lotus]

ah i should clarify, this one was adapted from a job that had the job description for a react dev. the bolded text are the things that were mentioned on the JD

[lilac yoke]

your skills section is massive, do you really feel confident you could walk into an interview and be asked high level questions on every technology listed there?

[smoky quest]

• Make it one page
• In your education, Include school/major and graduation year
• Add a title for your resume at the top for desired role (ex: Software Engineer)
• For your highlight, you should give more context. As is, they are too buzzwordy and don't tell the reader much. Follow the Show, don't tell approach
• Words like Novel algorithm doesn't tell me much. Every candidate will claim to write novel, scalable and fantastic code. So help the reader by showing how novel, complex and cool is your algorithm!

[smoky quest]

Reading your resume, overall, you definitely have tons of chance get an entry level job!
It reads as you having a lot to say, but your resume needs to be tweaked to reflect it

[barren lotus]

how high level would these questions be?

[barren lotus]

the highlights section is customized for each job

[barren lotus]

1. i've heard some people say one, some people say two, i can see that once i cut some of the less relevant sections it would be 1 page long
2. i can remove the background. i've tested this resume with ATSes
3. highlights, as mentioned, is because this was adapted from a job that required react
4. alright
5. well, my major is so out of the field that i've gotten rejected from even mentioning it

[lilac yoke]

definitely 1 page, never heard 2 before

[barren lotus]

I have heard from some people that I should include everything, but personally I agree with you

[barren lotus]

i kinda made the highlight buzzword-y for a reason though... a hiring manager once told me to put in the most attractive thing at the very top

[lilac yoke]

if it isn't on the job description its completely irrelevant, good rule of thumb to follow

[smoky quest]

buzzwords are not attractive.
Have you ever had a salesperson clearly bullshitting you? Did it help to build trust in buying their stuff?

[summer roost]

That links to a study from 2021 titled "Study to understand the impact of COVID-19 on Software Engineers". Yes, burnout was high in 2020/2021. COVID sucked. https://haystack-books.s3.amazonaws.com/Study+to+understand+the+impact+of+COVID-19+on+Software+Engineers+-+Full+Report.pdf is the study it's citing.

[barren lotus]

well, i fully agree with you, though:

1. the first people that are going to be seeing the resume is HR, and I've been informed that I should pass that filter first
2. how should I change it to be less buzzwordy

[lilac yoke]

the first person to see the resume is an ATS

funneled into an AI with the prompt "here is the job description, here are my requirements, give me good candidate"

[barren lotus]

tested before actually, i've gotten an interview with this resume before
well, not this exact resume

[summer roost]

don't sigh at me, this is the data you picked!

it's 4 years old and from the height of the pandemic! no one's mental health was great

[smoky quest]

1. Recruiters will have been briefed about the job and you won't be their first candidate. Don't count on hope as a strategy. And even though you would pass them, the HM would still be turned off
2. People won't be impressed by a buzzword "scalable algorithm". But they will be more impressed if you were able to apply a maximum flow problem at 10,000 req/s within a 95%-tile latency of 20ms

[barren lotus]

yall dont have to pull your punches btw, im in the process of migrating everything from latex to typst so i might as well tear up the foundations

[lilac yoke]

honestly just use this https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

[smoky quest]

I have yet to see it.
I am sure some people might try, but this is far from something everyone should expect

[barren lotus]

seen something similar before, from a career advisor from the computing school in my uni

[lilac yoke]

any company getting 10,000+ applications does this, it's built into workday afaik

[barren lotus]

Re: 1: should I then avoid the jobs that have JDs which clearly proves that the recruiters have never been briefed?

[smoky quest]

it looks like we work in different segments of the market then

[smoky quest]

no. apply to everything and anything in sight.
Apply first, think later

[summer roost]

before you waste your time, don't bother. Both things can be true: people can both enjoy their jobs in general and suffer from burnout at periods of high workload or high stress. Stats on burnout don't really answer the question of job satisfaction at all

[frank locust]

Combine some lines and control spacing a bit, be more concise and you will end up with 1 page. I feel like you can do that without compromising on anything except rewording.

[barren lotus]

yea thats basically my current strat

[smoky quest]

And manage it like a sales funnel. Look at the reply rate and track each stage

[barren lotus]

also i have the facility to do AB testing on resumes, so you can suggest options for me to test

[summer roost]

I've gone through burnout before, and I'm currently satisfied

[lilac yoke]

after I started writing only things relevant to the job description on my resume I had a ~70% response rate compared to less than 10%

[barren lotus]

wow

[lilac yoke]

though, the 70% pool is probably 12 jobs and the 10% is over 200 haha

[barren lotus]

just for context, how long ago were you looking for your first job?

[frank locust]

You made separate resume for each category of jobs?

[barren lotus]

I did, yes

[lilac yoke]

not category, each specific job

[frank locust]

That's a lot

[lilac yoke]

I'm able to copy my personal portfolio website into an LLM to churn them out and tweak from there

[barren lotus]

my current system spots things that are not already in the templates and add them in, I suppose it might be better for me to just scrap the template and just have it write the resume from a blank slate

[lilac yoke]

my first internship was right out of high school (2022), I started applying for big tech last year

landed my current job in May

[barren lotus]

wait you havent graduated?

[smoky quest]

I would suggest to start with something simple and stupid

[lilac yoke]

wrapping up my senior year

[barren lotus]

wdym?

also no, i have not been using this same system since i first started looking for a job, it has changed over time

[summer roost]

I burned out pretty hard about a decade ago, working way too hard and taking things way too seriously. I switched jobs, took a position with less on-call, made a conscious commitment to work fewer hours and not work myself to the bone to hit impossible deadlines. I'm much happier now, and much more satisfied, and no longer feeling burned out, while still doing basically the same sort of work. Burnout isn't some permanent condition, it's a reaction to stress, and the solution to it is to shed stress

and sure, that's not always possible, some stressors can't be escaped, but there's a lot most people can do to avoid stretching themselves too thin

[smoky quest]

Start with a baseline resume, ideally one per persona, and start applying.
You can then add automation and fancyness over time, with the added benefit of already having some stats from your baseline resume

[barren lotus]

tried that actually

originally started off with the idea that im going to be able to land an entry level in like a month or so, so i did everything manually

then eventually i grew tired of it and just wrote this project to do it for me

[chilly dune]

Isnt everyone using the same

[smoky quest]

nope

[chilly dune]

its plastered everywhere in linked in and reddit 😭

[open ivy]

Yes I am still learning about how all these numbers work.

[smoky quest]

two things can be true at once 😉

[open ivy]

Yes automation makes sense for larger scales.

If only you could tell how close you are getting to the interviews.

[barren lotus]

@smoky quest @lilac yoke totally forgotten to say thank you earlier

[sleek spruce]

I learned and creat 5 project of web scraping. I also creat 2 gig in fiverr but i didn't get any clients. Can anyone please help me. ?? I want money for my university tuition fees . That why i need to earn.

[glacial ice]

hey, I am here to start learning python so I can automate tasks in Autodesk Maya

is there anyone familiar with using Python in Maya

[storm storm]

looking for a python beginner to do small projects dm me

[deft herald]

Not the place for recruiting

[storm storm]

where

[deft herald]

Not here

[deft herald]

You can become a python beginner yourself by the way.

[paper kettle]

does anyone know how could I crack someone's pc password

[deft herald]

now why would you want to do that

[paper kettle]

or get their hash or just know what their password is

[paper kettle]

it's someone i know, not someone strange

[deft herald]

that doesn't answer why

[paper kettle]

I mean it's my sibling lol

[deft herald]

Nor does it make it in any way OK

[storm storm]

i dont need help im looking for projects partner

[lilac yoke]

Yes, but an engineers resume does not need to structurally stand out, it’s better to stay uniform there

[paper kettle]

do you know how

or do you not know how to do that

[pine sleet]

its not something we can help you with in this server

[deft herald]

Even if i did i still wouldn't help you. Nor would anyone else here. We have no guarantee you're not doing something malicious

[pine sleet]

if you just forgot the password, then you should refer to this support article: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-or-reset-your-password-in-windows-8271d17c-9f9e-443f-835a-8318c8f68b9c

[paper kettle]

I respect that

[deft herald]

Now try respecting your sibling

[rugged axle]

hey how do I know if a product will be succesfull without learking it or I need to have a private conversation

[deft herald]

I mean i don't think people are really poaching ideas here but if you're worried about it yeah, find someone with experience that you know and trust and have a private convo

[chilly dune]

😭 Just abt to join first year of uni so idk much yes I thought more color more fancy more good

[blazing citrus]

You gave me something to think about. After some consideration, I wrote the following to close out the opening paragraph of my cover letter

I’m strongly interested in Python. In fact, I look forward to adding it to my considerable experience, to serve your customers.

Thank you for your insight

[thorn elk]

what should i do after cs50x

like make what i like or something

alr

[blazing citrus]

If you read where I started my thread, I mention that I'm a Senior PHP Developer and I've already started learning Python. The trick is to get a company to hire me based on my considerable experience and desire to learn Python.

[tardy dome]

Hey everyone

I just joined this community and i want to know if data analysis is a good option?

[pine sleet]

do you like it?

[tardy dome]

I am interested

But some people told me the data market is messed up

[peak halo]

the market is generally bad for programming jobs. it might be better by the time you're employment-ready.

[acoustic storm]

What would be the best carrier regarding programming and stuff as of this decade

[peak halo]

jobs in AI are popular right now, but it would take you at least 5 years (probably 6 or more) to train for those jobs.

[open ivy]

Is designing a "better" fluid simulation algorithm, which I do as a personal project, a "programming" job or is it a "physics" job or is it a "math" job?

[peak halo]

by "programming job" I literally mean "any job that largely involves programming". which is not mutually exclusive with any other "$adjective job"

[deft herald]

yes

[deft herald]

often times it's that domain-specific skillset that will land you a job.

[cobalt rose]

I'm kind of the on the same steps as you. I've been able to catch up some experience, though.

If you like critical and analogyical thinking, working with data, etc.. Then, I think it's a perfect fit.

Make sure to explore all your other options, as well.

[smoky quest]

People are selfish. I don't mean it in a bad way, just as a fact of life way. And right now, your message benefits you and not the employer.
You being interested in python does not help any employer and as such, they have no reason to hire you.

So what does matter then? What matters are your skills outside of the programming language. It is your experience in webdev (I assume that part) since you have worked with php.

As such, I would recommend to frame things as:

• You are a software engineer, not a php engineer. Languages are just tools. So picking up python is a non-issue
• Companies want to hire you for your extensive webdev experience, not php experience
• You love python and are excited to join a company using python. That's a motivator for you but not why a company would hire you specifically

[blazing citrus]

You raise good points. I try to address those in the rest of my cover letter. I'm continually trying to improve, so I'll do my best to incorporate them.

[tardy dome]

Okayy

[peak halo]

I doubt it.

[next plover]

Reddit

That is usually enough to determine if it's true

[vapid violet]

Probably includes people who had there parent drive them to an interview because they could not drive or something.

[hollow elm]

I once read on Reddit about how cats poop out cactusses.

[radiant vortex]

Any advice would be greatly appreciated :) - UK based, Security Engineering and offensive security roles, entry level/internships

[burnt talon]

!remind 70M look at this

[inner wren]

You're the boss!

Your reminder will arrive on <t:1755295780:F>!

ID: 8020

[brazen island]

If you're looking to squeeze it to 1 page there's a couple of non-essentials you can trim like:

Your high school, the ambulance service job, removing the entire achievements section, merging extracurriculars and interests. Essentially turning the extracurriculars into one-liners in the interests section

[summer roost]

I'd keep the achievements, but switch to a 2 or 3 column layout for them to squeeze them into less vertical space. And that's way too much space devoted to extracurriculars. >50% of the space of this resume is "extracurriculars" and "interests"

[radiant vortex]

That is an accurate representation of what I've done though, I'm not sure what else I'd devote it to? I feel I covered all of my work experience and education

[brazen island]

The thing is, less is more. You don't need to have everything in there. I only have 1/3rd of things I consider to be relevant

[wraith harbor]

i have heard a lot of advice in this chat about not doing 2 or 3 column layouts because it really hurts ATS readability

[radiant vortex]

That's fair, and this is where I need to consider what extracurricular activities I should remove

Which is what I'm struggling with

I originally had around ~10 which I've narrowed down to the 5

Perhaps I could merge the chess.com bug bounty with the Anki VDP as that's quite similar. Then move interests and achievements together

Would still be around a page and a bit

[brazen island]

I'll be blunt but I think the issue is, you wrote the resume for you but not for the reader. It has a lot of details you find interesting, but recruiters wouldn't necessarily care about.

[radiant vortex]

Yeah, for sure I absolutely did

It's quite hard for me to go "hmm but would a recruiter care about it"? as obviously I'm biased and don't have any experience with recruiting

[brazen island]

Hence why I'd keep things a lot shorter and link to a relevant repo or writeup. If they care, they'd open it.

[smoky quest]

I have an interesting exercise for you:

• Print your resume
• Go to someone you know (or not), like a teacher, acquaintance, tech meetup
• Show them your resume and have them look at it for 45s
• At the end of the 45s, take your resume back and ask them what have they learned about you

[summer roost]

ooh, I like that

[inner wren]

It has arrived!

Here's your reminder: look at this
[Jump back to when you created the reminder](#career-advice message)

[burnt talon]

Someone once told me that just putting links without a short description is bad for a resume.

I dont know if that is good advice or not, but what would you suggest?

I do have a number of gh repos I can link but a couple of them are not public

Because theyre internal software for my company

[lilac yoke]

If you have a project that you worked on, and you have several bullet points for that project, it’s a great idea to link something

[brazen island]

I keep coming back to the same point - people finding what they did very cool and wanting to write a lot about it but the details really not mattering to the person reading it. If you're worried about details getting lost, drop a link so that people that do care about the details can get them

[burnt talon]

I can link the login page but thats worth nothing, if only to prove it exists

[lilac yoke]

Not necessary then

[burnt talon]

I’ll try this out

[lilac yoke]

If you have a personal project, it’s useless without a link imo

[burnt talon]

But is there anything else to do for the cases where a link is not possible?

[burnt talon]

All my personal projects are open source anyway. But hardly anyone uses them. For work ive at least got a user base and the “people rely on my software daily” point but its closed source

[brazen island]

Yeah, more often than not you won't be able to share what you did, especially further down your career. I'd just concisely describe some key things the reader will care about

[lilac yoke]

Are they hosted though?

[burnt talon]

Yes

[lilac yoke]

Nobody wants to read your code for the most part

[smoky quest]

Don't count on links to be clicked on ever. Your resume should stand on its own merits.
But it doesn't mean no one will click at a later stage or if they are on the fence after the initial filter.

So see it as a potential additional value. And if you do so, make sure your project represents your skills. That means a README, tests, comments, etc.

[lilac yoke]

I was hired off my hosted personal project, I doubt they checked the GitHub repo for it

[brazen island]

This is a 10/10 important skill btw. Not just for job applications but for any kind of (technical) presentation you will do. It will hurt a lot but the vast majority of things YOU want to talk about are already too detailed / self-indulgent. The common denominator of what people are interested in reading / hearing is much more high level, so you have to resist the urge and scrap stuff

[burnt talon]

I think I dont have many issues with the content of the repos, and I host whatever I can publicly. But I’m having trouble understanding how to put these on the page such that its both self-explanatory and not verbose

Is listing the technologies demonstrated in the project too much?

[brazen island]

So long as you're not listing all of them

[burnt talon]

Yea, tailoring it for the unknown person at the other screen seems to be the biggest issue I have right now

[brazen island]

Concrete example, whenever I make a frontend I do it in Svelte. I'd probably never put that on my CV. "Nobody" knows Svelte. I'd just keep it with something more general then.

[burnt talon]

I try to only list the ones that are relevant to the job ad. Sometimes to the point of exact match, because there are job ads that ask for experience with exactly the same tech stacks I can demonstrate

[burnt talon]

Oh okay interesting, so less specific jargon

[smoky quest]

I wouldn't just drop a link.
I would however link the repo to a project I describe

[burnt talon]

And sometimes there are ads that ask for “strong fundamentals of CS (db, algorithms, network, IT…. etc)” and I dont really know how to prove that concisely

[burnt talon]

I do that always unless its not public

[brazen island]

You need to appeal to a multitude of people. Maybe the HR screen / first person to read your CV is scanning for very high level terms like "SQL", "Python", "Containers", ... If it's popular enough in your field I'd list it. The specific framework and packages you're using? Most likely irrelevant (there's exceptions, maybe they're looking for a Django dev specifically, idk)

[burnt talon]

I generally look at the job ad to see what terms they want since i dont know whats implicitly expected for a “Software Engineer Student Intern” position

Oh that reminds me, is there anything different about applying to student intern positions? Or anything specific I should keep in mind

[smoky quest]

main thing is folks will look for growth potential rather than experience since you don't have any. So to that end, having a project that demonstrate deep expertise (ex: making a compiler) will have some impact even if you don't apply to a compiler internship, since your average student will have projects on the level of todo list apps

[vital wyvern]

Summary
"Looking to progress" feels weak. Typically your summary should include the title you want to hold; especially if you have a past with that title. You can say "Penetration Tester targeting <blah>." All in all it feels like your summary is just a restatement of bullet points.

Education
Show impact from the focus in AI as you progress; your goal should be to tie the why of your education to the what that you did. I don't care that you studied AI when I'm interviewing you, I want to know how you weaponized that for my line of business' gain.

Employment
Ambulance service feels weird here; highlight clerical or programs skills and incident handling.

Pentester is the only real relevant experience-- you're not highlighting the correct tooling here though. This tells me you did vulnerability scanning with Nessus, nmap, etc. Do you have any experience with NetExec? What about Bloodhound? Did you target Active Directory environments or mostly Linux? The biggest red flag for pentesters to me is when they list a bunch of scanning tools and then say they generated reports for partners/customers. That tells me you copy-pasted nmap and nessus and threw it on your pentest report with a fancy logo.

"Through the use of encrypted virtualized environments" is a given; it probably doesn't need to be stated.

Extracurricular
UK cyber team finalist belongs down here, along with what you did.
CVE's belong down here provided they weren't found as part of your remit, along with gentle details.

THM is good. You did QA testing, tell me about what you QA tested. Certainly you did some boxes yourself; what technology did you use for the QA testing? Were you hackin' shit or just logging in and making sure stuff was online?

Homelab is cool, but I feel like you shoot yourself in the foot when you overelaborate on ZTNA with Cloudflared. Consider using different phrasing (such as ZTNA, SAML, Federated Auth, etc.) Google OAuth 2.0 isn't Google OAuth 2.0, it's federated authentication.

To be continued, I didn't see the second page.

Honestly my general sentiment is that you describe really cool things, and gloss over the details; and then describe "meh" things with too much detail or detail that is uninteresting.

[burnt talon]

Hmm. I think I should also work on how I describe my projects. Some I think are quite interesting or do something unique but can make no sense because theyre not stuff that is common knowledge at all

To give a concrete example, a python package that lets you write code using only underscores demonstrates some algorithm and data manipulation knowledge but youd really need to dig into the code to see that. I imagine most IT people would just not understand or see the point, let alone an HR screen

But thats probably a bit extreme example

Meant to reply @smoky quest

A more “normal” project I have is an app that calculates optimal trips with multiple ferry connections, which also involves algos and data and frontend etc. but I feel like someone just taking a look at it wont understand what it is because they aren’t familiar with the ferry system in British Columbia

[smoky quest]

Let's view it from the viewpoint of the reviewer:

• What skills are you demonstrating?
• If you are saying that the usual DSA level is what you are the proudest thing of the one thing you want to show me, then it demonstrate what you consider difficult. So it means you need to demonstrate something that is considered complex and worthy of these 30s of attention

[burnt talon]

Its hard to say how complex it is because thats subjective, but I would say its definitely above anything I would learn in my 4 year bachelor program here

But more so because it is specialized and niche. Not because it is large or took vast amounts of time to create

Anyway though my question with that example was how to even get to explaining how it relates to DSA without losing people in unintelligible tech jargon

Or confusing people with a highly specific use case it was built to solve

[potent stream]

hi guys i am new to this server, i am pretty fluent in python and hope to you know get some poeple and build projects and solve problems together

[frank locust]

https://youtube.com/shorts/VhaO0H9toho?si=8DL3Vl_9JTAdfH2o

[short robin]

should i be focusing on career and resume development at 14 or just do whatever i want and focus on similar stuff like that later on

[peak halo]

you are 14 years old. there are so many possibilities for what you'll do as an adult. focus on doing well in school--that will keep your options open. The rest of your time, you can spend doing whatever you want and enjoying life.

If you think you're interested in programming, then emphasize doing well in your math courses, and do what you can to take the most ambitious math track that you can. If you can take a calculus course before you finish highschool, that would be ideal.

[short robin]

im taking classes two years ahead of my grade and ive wanted to do programming for a while though

[peak halo]

are you in the US? otherwise, where are you?

[short robin]

im in the U.S of A doing advanced algebra at 14

[peak halo]

given your current trajectory, in what year of highschool would you be taking calculus?
calculus is not the be-all-end-all of math. it's just usually the most advanced math that is offered for people who aren't pursuing mathematical degrees.

[short robin]

im not sure after frshman year i might just graduate early since im ahead i can get it done before senior year

[vapid violet]

If you are 2 years ahead it is generally that calc will land in your 11th grade year

[short robin]

well alright

[peak halo]

if you graduate early, you need to have a plan for how you'll use that extra time to become successful.

Regardless, you're at a stage where your interests might change unexpectedly. Doing well in school will keep your options open. But doing well in math is especially relevant towards getting into a university program for CS.

[short robin]

Nice

[twilit cipher]

What about doing well in physics

[rich marsh]

I'm very confused about what degree to choose and how to pursue my carrer a head. anyone there to help me choose between bSE(hons) or B CS or BIT(SD)??

[radiant vortex]

Summary
I was under the impression that you should generally put what your career goal is for here, or in what area you want to end up? My current full time occupation is a student, which is why I put that instead of pentester. It was supposed to be a re-statement but just heavily compressed so it's the first thing the recruiter sees - should it be something different?

Education
That's fair, I wasn't really sure what to put with education so the extra line about the modules was just some filler as to tell what I covered.

Employment service
Yeah, it's been my only 'proper' job though apart from the pentesting and shows I have had some work experience, especially focusing on the soft side skills - talking with patients/customers, keeping calm under pressure, increasing my communication skills which I feel are all useful for any job. Obviously no programming skills though.

When I did the pentesting, mostly all of my work was on webapps hence the focus of tools on them. Bloodhound, nxc etc were not utilised as I wasn't covered ad.

Nmap and Nessus were used as a start and to get the basic low hanging fruits which we did for all of them, however most of it was of course manual testing, which varied with the web application - testing form uploads, giving mangled data etc, happy path testing and thinking outside the box.

Extra-curricula
Yeah good point, perhaps I should make a section for the cyber team and remove another. Although what to remove?

CVEs are covered in the Anki VDP part.

THM just hacking it and ensuring there weren't any unintended.

Aye, I should rephrase homelab

Thanks rem!

[frank locust]

LOL, internet

Reddit is very terrible

[waxen sand]

What are the concepts that one should know when they are starting django?

[frank locust]

#web-development

[neat sable]

Hello, I've recently learned Python and want to take the web dev with Django route. But before that I really want to know the current situation of django fully remote jobs. Thnx

[hearty island]

@white relic new job is going super well!

[tight gull]

should i start with scratch? Im a complete beginner with no experience

[vital wyvern]

All that to say-- I wouldn't rely heavily on nmap, nessus, etc., being in your list of core competencies. Most cybersecurity professionals list these-- because they're ubiquitous and easy to run.

BurpSuite too-- many list this, but few actually know BurpSuite-- it may be useful to try and highlight the 'what's.

It also feels like you're targeting a pentesting job; I don't know if that's your intent, but you'll want to show stronger blue teaming skills if you're looking for broad security engineer/analyst jobs.

[radiant vortex]

Yeah that's fair, it was 90% burp suite so I'd say I'm pretty well versed in it

Honestly I'm mostly going for engineering or offensive roles, hopefully an offensive one but I know that it's certainly more harder to get one therefore I'm open to applying to the engineering/blue side as well

[fast fossil]

The situation, as far as I've seen on here, is that it's highly unlikely you'll get a fully remote position right out of the gate, this doesn't just apply to django positions either.

[neat sable]

Thnx for the reply. Can you give me some advice on what should I do?

[fast fossil]

Best option would be getting a degree in CS
Learn what you enjoy learning about and make projects as well

[neat sable]

Gegree in CS is just not possible for me cuz I'm in BBA now, but I do love computers and coding or building anything.
Guess I'll just stuck with my personal things.

[fast fossil]

I mean, you can always switch your majors

[neat sable]

I wish I could but my background is also business studies. So, my university will not allow it. T-T.
Thx for reply

[junior ocean]

Hmmmmmmmmm

[summer roost]

most incoming university students have no background in the subject that they're trying to major in

[neat sable]

It's quite complicated in 3rd word countries.

[fast fossil]

USA is basically a 3 word country though (discounting "of")

[true totem]

A third world country very secretly yes

[true totem]

they dont even have internet.....

[near ocean]

That has nothing to do with the topic

In my classes I've had people ranging from poor locals to crazy rich asians, 80% of them had never written a line of code before

[neat sable]

We Have it also cost less. like for 1 MBps or 5Mbps is $4 a month only.

[near ocean]

Most universities wont allow you to join their masters programs without some background in the topic

[summer roost]

That's true, I was imagining switching to a BS CS

[neat sable]

Since getting is fully remote job is highly unlikely. I can do Upwork. But I need a niche for less competition. Can anyone suggest any? Python or Django or both related. TIA

[near ocean]

I cant imagine any sort of niche on upwork
Its mostly scraping/other questionable automation or "ai/ml" with the biggest air quotes

[true totem]

most third world parents dont even know the internet could possibly exist in their area

all they know is the sulfur mines and babies

[proud glacier]

[true totem]

its a parenting issue folks

false

[neat sable]

When you hear the word '3rd world countries' which countries comes to your mind. Only Africa?

[shell hull]

usa

[true totem]

china has the most slaves on earth

india second

[neat sable]

I think USA is in the middel of 1st and 2nd or something like that lol.

[true totem]

they were smart enough to run to a library

thats the only reason why
im not kidding

all of us are

but the more we share with each other the less confused we all become

[shell hull]

what yall even talking about

[true totem]

common courtesy

[proud glacier]

you can look it up, not many countries have an internet usage share below 50%

[true totem]

im talking about the other 50 percent obviously

[proud glacier]

and most of them (in the developing world) use mobile internet to get online, not their local library

[true totem]

coding matters so much because we need cheaper products for extrenely poor children

thats why apple is the richest country in the world

any poor kid can easily get an iphone if they bust their ass

and they can hide it...

[neat sable]

Approximately 37% of the world's population, or about 2.9 billion people, have never used the internet according to the United Nations

[proud glacier]

ok, it looks like you're just here to troll

[true totem]

amish kids pay 2k for an iphone just bc it can fit in a dang coffee can

[summer roost]

!mute 479820863634538496 Racism will not be tolerated on this server

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @true totem until <t:1755374030:f> (1 hour).

[maiden knoll]

anyone open to teach ds algo to crack companies?

[fast fossil]

"crack companies" as in "companies that sell crack"??? there are companies that do that?

[white relic]

that's great! Moved in to the city and all? How's settling in?

[hearty island]

everything’s been settled in, furniture assembled. been getting along w coworkers very well & tons of projects on my
plate. they’re keeping me super busy.

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> scam

[peak halo]

!clban 1399391031279226981 upwork scam (or something similar)

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @dense cosmos permanently.

[ivory scaffold]

Hello can anyone gimme a python code with many errors? I wanna solve them
I'm just a beginner in python and want to solve some so I can upgrade my skills

[last moat]

I am almost finishing QA engineering courses. I have dealt with DSA problems in interviews before for other SE roles. Do they ask for DSA in QA Engineering interviews too? Should i prepare that as well?

[smoky quest]

they might if it is related to QE, Infra test or automated testing

[last moat]

I will apply for jobs that involves automation testing.

I assume they wont go deep and hard. Only strings and arrays problems?

[smoky quest]

it depends

[clever pewter]

Guys I am looking for a good laptop any suggestions please

[smoky quest]

#python-discussion would be a better place

[clever pewter]

Okay thanks

[cobalt rose]

Is it worth taking cs50's introduction to cs or shall i take introduction to python, mainly?

[fickle scaffold]

hello there, i am new to python, any way i can quickly get started

[smoky quest]

the main thing is to be consistent, it doesn't matter which one

[last moat]

Take complete cs50

[cobalt rose]

So, starting from which one?

[cobalt rose]

gotcha, thanks

[quasi echo]

tbh ig cs50 helps alot like i was takign a course on yt and it made couple of things very very cnofusing, then i found cs50 n tbh it helped me alot i learned so much new things n stuff so ig as a beginner js like me it worthy

[remote yacht]

you say i can have a Harvard cert for free? this is no way sir

[smoky quest]

it's for an introduction class. The first class taken in CS.
This is great for the motivation get one, but has no value outside of it

[quasi echo]

no u cant get a cert ;-;

[remote yacht]

whaaa cs50.harvard.edu ?!?!?

[arctic cloak]

What is the difference between python and gdscript?.

[plucky vessel]

👋

[quasi echo]

idk cuz im doing it from yt

[remote yacht]

ok i know it sounds like scam but you really get official harvard certificate if u finish cs50 course (but i didnt learn much its just for flex ..)

[shrewd kettle]

gawrk gawrk gawrk

[quasi echo]

oh LMAO

[quasi echo]

u got?? one

[rapid vector]

Hi

[kindred oyster]

even if you do get the certificate , its.....not really that helpful in real world

[quasi echo]

oh, then why wasting 200$ js to get that certificate

[royal cave]

I am doing this course, any project suggestions?

[gentle zinc]

Looking to understand how to move forward in my career. In school for software engineering, but also in the military. Feel lost in what I want to do.

[gentle zinc]

Any advice anyone?

[remote yacht]

yes but i cheated .. its just a pdf in the end lol

[lilac yoke]

What is the next step you want to move forward to?

[safe marsh]

is there anyone who got analytics job without experience?

[vital wyvern]

What kind of analytics?

[open ivy]

I don't understand why so many people think social media is the first and foremost place to advertise one's portfolio?

Like I don't know even how to embed JavaScript, say for a simplified demo of my physics simulation code, onto Linkedin? Does Premium allow it? Even basic formatting of the relative positions of text and images/videos seems hart to control unless they have a "custom CSS button"?

[near ocean]

What are you saying?
Linkedin isnt where you embed demos for anything, at best you show a video of the demo and then links to where the full demo can be found on a personal site of yours

[open ivy]

Yes that makes more sense.

Social media has such extreme attention inequality that it will always be a small thing for me.

[near ocean]

youre not going to get any more clicks without using social media, that's their literal purpose

[open ivy]

Yes it's easy to throw up a few posts.

As to actually investing time to build my brand, however, I find talking to people online and in-person as much better than social media. Social media feels like I am "screaming into the void".

[near ocean]

Not sure what kind of brand you have but door to door salesmanship died decades ago

[open ivy]

Thankfully there are better ways than "door to door salesmanship". Tech meetups if nothing else. A little creativity goes a long way to get people to at least take a look without making them feel put on the spot.

Social media is also dying due to all the AI content. How do you plan on continuing to display/advertise your portfolio once AI "kills" social media?

[pine sleet]

im pretty sure mar is already employed

[near ocean]

I dont have a brand to promote so i dont worry about it

[pine sleet]

yeah idk what you mean by promoting a brand or what it has to do with career discussion

[open ivy]

It's not a brand it's a portfoleo. If no one knows I am working on anything then it will be hard for them to hire me. But if enough people see my hard work on physics simulation, someone is more likely to give me a chance.

[pine sleet]

oh you just mean your resume

[open ivy]

Don't forget the videos, live demos, and in-depth discussions of the algorithm decisions I am making to improve on the standard methods that are out there. Those don't fit on a resume.

[pine sleet]

ah

some of that seems fit for conferences, which i guess you already mentioned

[open ivy]

Yes. Coders who love the craft will continue to do coding even when unemployed, and projects really help with mental health as well.

But advertising them in social media is "screaming into the void" for most of us. Unless we happen to get very lucky with the Algorithm. Worth a few quick posts but time is finite and there are better ways.

So yes I wonder what people will start to do when AI eats more and more social media to get thier fair share of attention and an audience?

[near ocean]

Conferences are expensive if youre not backed by an institution or company, ofc it makes sense social media is peoples first choice, its free

[open ivy]

I see why people get stuck in the path of least resistence. Thankgully, we don't have to. With a little creativiy we can find a lot of places to meet people that don't cost a ton of money. Discord communities are not yet AI sloped that much.

I am curious what your strategy is? My strats work quite a bit better than social media. But that is a low bar. You may have a better strategy.

[near ocean]

I dont have a strategy cause as I mentioned i dont go around showing my projects to people to get a job, i just put together a cv and apply to roles i like

[open ivy]

How did you avoid roles where there are thousands of applicants and your resume just goes into the black hole?

It was a lot better back in 2022 and earlier. But these days it is full of AI spam and without a decade of experience it is very hard.

[near ocean]

Im not sure there is a black hole like you describe
There are a lot of applicants sure but its not an impossibility to find a job

I live and work in london, there are a lot of people here doing tech

[open ivy]

For a lot of people, they try everything and cannot get past the ATS. If you don't have much experience there is not much you can do. Many people have sent out thousands.

Maybe London is better?

[pine sleet]

from what i hear a very large portion of these thousands of applications are just junk

just having a good resume will already put you ahead of most of them

[open ivy]

Do you have an example of a good resume that is portfoleo-based instead of industry-expirence based? It should have a link to a website for more detailed explanations.

[near ocean]

Arent all junior CVs portfolio based basically? People looking for their first jobs dont have experience

[storm storm]

why are people so toxic wth python ?

[open ivy]

I can't find a good example of one. People generally don't do complex and involved personal projects to need a CV. This is why so many people struggle. If you don't have industry expirence and your portfoleo is making a glorified Tetris game or two that doesn't get you very far these days.

It was better back in time, did you apply for any jobs since the end of 2023? Because it got a lot harder since then as the AI tools really kicked into gear.

But for a website I found an excellent portfoleo site:
https://www.ventrella.com/

But the resume/summary is focused on industry...

[white relic]

I think you're overestimating how much time people will spend researching a candidate before scheduling a phone screen.
If you're not getting callbacks, it's not because your github is weak or your "portfolio website" is ugly, it's because the resume itself is weak

I don't click through links on people's resumes

[open ivy]

Yes I am trying to make it stronger but summerizing all my portfoleo down into one page is !@#$ hard!

[near ocean]

I think youre overfocusing on this one project you have going at the cost of the rest of your cv suffering

[open ivy]

I have several projects, one big one and several smaller ones. I agree that 100% on one project would be a bad idea.

But I am struggling to advertise it.

[storm storm]

i am pro advertiser

[open ivy]

What is different between a weak and strong resume? When the expirence and other things are the same?

[white relic]

assuming "equivalent" candidates, there can be a big difference between how well they can communicate their experience in a resume. Formatting, which information to put first and which information to cut, typos.
But that's a big assumption, few candidates are "equivalent", even among the many that lack professional experience.

IIRC you have a PhD, so you wouldn't likely be competing with recent BSCS graduates

[pine sleet]

have you posted your resume here before? people are generally willing to help you make it better

[open ivy]

There is so much information I have from my side projects, will need to be able to summarize it somehow.

[pine sleet]

thats part of what trent mentioned above,

[gentle zinc]

I'm into stocks and trading heavily n I do enjoy it a lot but i also grew up playing games , watching anime n manga, art as well and that was a fun childhood

[blissful thistle]

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