career-advice

[timid ibex]

i have the basics

variabale and loop and the rest basics

[scenic glade]

Sadly, even that is oversaturated. In near future, AI will write AI.

[peak halo]

I agree with the first part but not the last part

[timid ibex]

[peak halo]

(I am an AI professional.)

[tribal schooner]

so what do i do? i hate economics and i really like coding i just dont know how

[timid ibex]

but still correct i agree with you

[silver rampart]

What domain are you looking to pursue?

[scenic glade]

Do it as a hobby

Everyone nowadays seem to have some sort of connection to computers, just because of how ubiqituos they are, in reality, there are very few people who truly love code and computers

[timid ibex]

i am thinking about data analytics but do u think that it have a future?

[scenic glade]

True passion that is not semi-mild interest coupled with a whole lot of reasons.

[tribal schooner]

how do i begin because i dont know that much i only know like how to make a todo list with python and function buttons with backend js

[silver rampart]

Yeah you could go for it

[scenic glade]

There are free online courses, and YouTube. Those are easy to digest to get you started with Python, after you nail the basics, you would be able to use your knowledge to gain more knowledge through reading documentation and such

[silver rampart]

Maybe also explore AI engineering

[timid ibex]

do u have any advice before starting in it and do u prefer ai engineering and wich library do u advice me to learn

[tribal schooner]

alr, so any tut video is good enough?

[regal axle]

Woah woah woah. Slow down. @tribal schooner you don’t have to be so stressed about what they are saying.
Is the industry going to change? Yes.
Do you enjoy development and programming? Then do it.
The industry will still be here. Jobs still exist. It’s not impossible to get a job. And not impossible to do well. It is saturated. But there is still opportunity

[silver rampart]

I think agents are popping off these days that's why I suggested

[scenic glade]

For the basics, yeah I don't see why not. After you nail the basics of the whole concept of programming and scripting, as well as some basic information about Python, and basic syntax, you should be able to read Python documentation and stackoverflow answers easily to learn and debug any problems that may arise in your journey

[silver rampart]

You can checkout https://academy.langchain.com/

[timid ibex]

i agree with you but i used to choose data analytics bcz of chat gpt deepresearch he told me data analytics 🌚

🤡

[tribal schooner]

alr will do thank you!

[silver rampart]

There's no problem in that. It's just that you are exploring your options that's why I suggested. If you are really interested in Data analytics then you can pickup datacamp courses. They cover everything

[tribal schooner]

thank you i just didnt know where to start

[timid ibex]

sure what option do u choose?

[scenic glade]

No problem, and if you are genuine about this, feel free to ask me for help in private if you get stuck on something

[regal axle]

It’s complicated to answer. There are so many directions. Idk what you enjoy and don’t enjoy. But not everything is about AI and it never will be all AI. Depending on the niche depends on how true this is.
But for example, lots of companies run super old software (legacy code) and refuse the use of AI in their systems. For as long as that is true, you know that AI isn’t everywhere.
Well to be fair, I don’t like working for those companies. (It has nothing to do with ai)

[tribal schooner]

what if i like practicing to learn? what path should i follow do i first go with js,html,python,css etc.. .? and what is the best way to learn

[regal axle]

But the most important thing is actually moving. Actually doing. Don’t get too tripped up on the what. Not so early in. If you need more resources, ask. But so early on, they are all equally good and equally bad. Just do

[tribal schooner]

alrr

[edgy goblet]

Hello

I need help wit my career

[near ocean]

what do you need help with

[vestal hedge]

I found IT always fun and get secondary degree init. there are so many ways, cloud engineer / cyber security / coding.

how can i take step into coding industry

[long solar]

Do you actually get rejected or do you just get no reply?

[hardy pendant]

hi

[eager skiff]

Is python really the best language to start with if im doing a major in CS? I'm not really good at programming but I've been steadily improving (I've been the python MOOC and around 35% there)

[lilac yoke]

are you starting as a freshman this upcoming academic year?

[eager skiff]

No, I'm halfway through my first year

[lilac yoke]

Is python the language your school uses for the majority of its classes?

[eager skiff]

No, it's just C lang when it comes to programming, not sure what they will teach in the next half

[lilac yoke]

Python is a great language to start with, but to improve you need to do more than MOOC. Start an ambitious project, something you could see yourself doing full time in industry

[eager skiff]

Would it not be the best idea to fully understand python and then start on a project?

Or are you saying I should think of a project I want to make, choose the language best suited for said project and start with that

[lime oar]

can someone help me? whenever im scrolling or something part of my screen freezes

[lilac yoke]

It would be the best idea. You will learn through necessity, actually making a product. The alternative is to learn the language and have nothing to show for it.

I’ve started plenty of projects in languages I have never used before and ended knowing the language very well

[eager skiff]

Yea that sounds like a great idea, what types of projects would be best suited for python, I've heard it's mainly used for automation(scripts) or databases(I might be wrong about that one)

[lime oar]

can someone explain to me what diagscap is?

[lilac yoke]

As a beginner, I wouldn't focus on "making a project best suited for python", I would just pick a project. Python has a massive library of tools, you can use it to do anything, and it's highly unlikely you'll encounter the language being a bottleneck

Is there any field that you can see yourself enjoying the most? Software enginering (web development, mobile development, etc), game development, systems, cyber, networking

[lime oar]

SOMEONE HELP ME PLEASE I DONT KNOW WHY PARTS OF MY SCREEN FREEZE

[eager skiff]

Yes I can see myself enjoying stuff like Software Engineering/Game development

[dark stump]

i think i already learned the basics like using loops, making lists, classifying, making functions , tuples and dictionaries. Do i just need to work on programs to familiarize myself with different libraries or should i stick to improving my memory with the basics?

[eager skiff]

Tried restarting? Could be a faulty panel

[lilac yoke]

This is the same conversation @eager skiff and I are having, you should start working on an ambitious project instead of trying to learn more about the language specifically

[dark stump]

Do you think i can just jump into an ML project right away or do you think i need to work up to it?

[lilac yoke]

Great, then I would start by deciding which one of those you want to try first. I am a software engineer, so I can't help too much with game development, but could recommend the Godot engine. If it's software, start to envision some sort of product you could make, anything from SaaS to social media

[lilac yoke]

I don't see why you couldn't start with ML. I would say the learning curve will be just as steep as any other field, though depending on what you want to do, may require you to have a good initial foundation for math

[eager skiff]

I think I'll try software development first, game development seems like it'd be a lot more complicated and as for my first project I should start with something like a file manager? That sounds useful

[dark stump]

so just start expirementing with train test splits, data cleaning and fine tuning?

[lilac yoke]

A file manager would be interesting. I would suggest you to take it a step further and introduce networking into the equation, meaning other computers on different networks can read/modify the file system (NFS is an example). A good checklist for a beginner software project is:

• Frontend
• Backend server
• Database
• Authentication

[lilac yoke]

sure, I'm not super knowledgeable on ML but if you pick some project that you think will push you to learn a lot more go for it

[dark stump]

Ok, thank you for your help.

[eager skiff]

Hell yeah that sounds awesome, I'll definitely be adding that.
Do you know what programming language would be the best fit to start working on this project?

[lilac yoke]

Python works great for everything on there, but I would suggest making your frontend in javascript + html. Don't view it as a hurdle of "oh now I need to go learn javascript", more of "I will research exactly what I need out of javascript to complete this goal"

If you focus on the backend portion (server, database, authentication) the frontend is really just the final 10% anyways

[eager skiff]

Yeah that works for me lol I've already put some time into python, once I'm done understanding and get the back end(will it all just be python?) up and running, I'll research JS+HTML....though I don't mind investing some time there too as I want it to look great too

[lilac yoke]

The backend can be entirely python, yes. You'll need a database as well, and I encourage you to learn SQL to work with that database

Do some initial research into what you want out of the project (is this a dropbox/google drive clone?) and then I can help you pick out a good stack

[eager skiff]

SQL? So I'd have to use something like Xampp then?

[lilac yoke]

I'd like to think you would choose a much more modern stack than Xampp, but yeah its in the realm of possibility

You can install a local database independent of that though

[eager skiff]

I guess stuff like being able to share files, a good search engine (atleast for local files), being able to edit(or atleast read) files without needing external programs, some security features?(Also stuff like compression, unzipping...stuff that most managers have)

Those are the only things I can think of right now

[eager skiff]

I said if coz I've messed a bit with it before

[lilac yoke]

It sounds like what you want is:

A user, who signs in to your app. A user can

• Create a file (object) on the server
• Read an object on the server
• Update an object on the server
• Delete an object on the server
• List all objects, search by name

Security wise, a user:

• Can only access objects they own
• Can share objects to another user

That seems like a bare minimum (MVP). Adding more features on to that, you could have directories, compression, shared directories, etc.

[eager skiff]

Yes something like that, maybe being able to host a file too, so others can access it

[eager skiff]

Yeah makes sense, I will probably keep changing/adding more features as I work on it and start understanding a bit more

[lilac yoke]

Important to note in this topology, you have one single server who owns all files. A user doesnt host anything, it is a many-to-one relationship (many users, one server).

[eager skiff]

I guess so, P2P isn't really safe either

[lilac yoke]

I think that sounds like a great first software project, and it wouldn't look bad on a resume

[eager skiff]

Yup definitely, thanks for the idea man gave me a whole new perspective to look from

Having a goal like that will most likely help me more :]

[peak halo]

@turbid prairie your message was removed for seeking a job. or offering one.

[fickle falcon]

Nice work

[balmy mural]

Mostly rejections. But there are a few that I never got any response on

[slate marsh]

Hlo

[robust aurora]

he said j*b 🤭

[stoic cove]

how dare you asked for j*b

in this economy

[robust aurora]

yeah man thats really unethical i would never ask for a j*b

[random finch]

Hey y'll

Hope u doing well

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384>

[prime oar]

hello can i learn python on starting

[white relic]

Depends where you want to go. Yes, many people learn Python at the beginning of their programming journey

[hollow temple]

your project idea is really good , i will also give it a try 🐦‍🔥

[hearty island]

would you count a recruiter screen as an interview round?

https://www.nerdwallet.com/cost-of-living-calculator/compare/nassau-county-ny-vs-chicago-il

am i wrong to use this as a resource?
i wonder how outdated they are

[near ocean]

The biggest cost you'll have is housing, you can go on zillow and compare flats right now for something more recent

[hearty island]

i'm guessing that's gonna be around $2K a month

[odd tree]

https://github.com/a7med3yad/Hotel_Managment_RFM_Analysis

[odd tree]

check this out

[plush elk]

im gonna pursue my bachelors in cse w/s data science, how cooked am i?

[hearty island]

absolutely not cooked, i would try to narrow down a domain as well. i.e. what industry are you looking to problem solve in?

my initial domain was healthcare

[plush elk]

idek man, like IT and softwares type of thing

tbh i dont even know what im supposed to go for

idk whats good, whats cooked, whats right for me, and will i earn enough

[hearty island]

it's ok, i didn't figure out what i liked/didn't like till late

[plush elk]

what do i do for now then

[hearty island]

you start the bachelors degree - and do side projects. and apply for internships.

[plush elk]

i just finished high school and ill be in college like in 3 weeks for 4 years

[plush elk]

ah okay

i jus dont know if ill do well for cs as i dont have any sort of cs background

[hearty island]

a lot of ppl don't

[austere nebula]

i wanted advice... i want to build a humanoid robot
i know its hard but i dont intend it to be a short term project
right now i want to make the brain of the robot with AI api's. I expect to build a bot to which i can chat verbally and interact along with it having image recognition through camera completely on my laptop so that i have the bot... later ill add arms and head (a screen having expressions in it) and body. I want it to learn moving its parts with AI by trial and errors matching humans by watching the motions and copying.
That is very far, i want to start with the software part
I want to ask how should i learn python, i know basic python (its been a while since i did), C++, C all basic level
Im a college student i have a little bit experience on the robotics field but yeah
I wanted someone to guide me in what way should i learn stuff if not that then atleast what to start with

[hearty island]

i think i'm taking your advice - i am so done with soc gen's bs

[clever marten]

i am a 2nd year student who has done python, i did ds in my last sem for my exam but i want to solve leet code problems, even the easiest one goes over my head how do i do it, and for dsa do i do it in c or python, i only know these 2 languages

[hollow temple]

do it in c as it in compiler language ,you will get to know how everything is done

[clever marten]

best resource to do so?

[balmy mural]

There's some pins in #algos-and-data-structs you can look at

[final river]

im doing python as my first coding language after html so any tips?, my college is going to start , you can conceider me as fresher

[lilac yoke]

Absolutely do leetcode in python. Nobody, especially the interviewer, wants to see you attempt a problem in C

You should really focus on the conceptual part of a problem, the implementation needs to be the fast easy part. C will really drag that out

[heavy bolt]

can you learn python and c++ together ?

[summer roost]

Sure, but it'll be harder than learning one and then the other

[austere nebula]

anyone?

[glossy summit]

Guys new job guy here. Can i do open source bug bounty etc? After work hours? I don't really want to talk to hr and poke a bear with a stick here.

Just wanna do freetime projects for resume

[long solar]

I just tried applying without a cover letter on my school's platform Handshake and I realized it's actually required 😭

[lime oar]

how to tell if i have a rat

[sacred hollow]

I’m a handshake influencer

Does anyone know anything about human capital consulting?

[summer roost]

Afraid you'll need to ask your company. The answer depends on your company's specific policies

Or at least, that's the case in the US

I'd just ask your boss, though, not HR.

[left socket]

It should be written in your contract.

[summer roost]

That depends on your country, too. If you're in the US, you probably don't have any contract

[left socket]

Oh. Employment in the US does not involve signing anything?

[twin hornet]

damn rly?

[summer roost]

more or less... nothing that Europeans would recognize as a contract, at least.

[twin hornet]

well thats interesting

[summer roost]

it follows from our lack of worker protections - since the company allowed to fire you at any time, for (almost) any reason, and since you're allowed to quit at any time, for any reason, no one really bothers with the explicit contracts that spell out what each party's responsibilities to the other are. If either party at any point feels things aren't working out to their benefit, they just walk away

[stiff harness]

Who'd be more better for a job? frontend + python or backend + python?

[summer roost]

Python is much more commonly used on the backend than on the frontend, if that's what you're asking. Most frontend code is likely to be JavaScript or TypeScript, plus HTML and CSS

that said, most jobs require you to know multiple programming languages, anyway. Jobs where you'd only use one language all day long are a minority

[long solar]

python and sql the wombo combo

[random finch]

Hey yll..

Basically wanna know regarding full stack development, like I like python language and full stack and lil of automation too , but ppl say that for full stack Web Development Js is best so I'm a bit confused and ykk , like I wanna do full stack python ykk and automation with python too so

Anyone who may guide?

[lilac yoke]

Python has some great backend frameworks, but front end is dominated by JS/TS

It’s not an either or situation, you can use a Python backend and a JS/TS front end

[vapid jay]

is python good for a cybersec resume?

[lilac yoke]

It doesn’t provide anything inherently, only if you have relevant projects with the language

[vapid jay]

😢 i am cursed

i can't complete high school. no matter how much i try.

i can't even attempt the exam i lack that much courage.

i am working on my math software now... but see in future i will pass high school and get into good university. and that's going to happen in my life time.

everyone poisoned me and my victimhood make me psychologically cursed.

not only i will pass high school i will get into a good university. may be when my dad retires.. then that only might happen. but it will happen.

for now i will give my everything in making math, chemistry etc... softwares.

[icy pagoda]

huh

[vapid jay]

hey,I’m Anubhav Panwar, an IT professional from India with a Master’s and Bachelor’s degree in Computer Applications. I have experience in software development, UI/UX design, and databases, with skills in Java, Python, Flutter, and SQL. I’m fluent in English, love teaching basic tech skills, and enjoy problem-solving, teamwork, and continuous learning. I’m also available for any freelance projects or remote jobs.

[icy pagoda]

check the channel description

DO NOT ASK FOR JOBS. DO NOT OFFER JOBS. | Career advice and discussion of Python in professional settings.

but if that was just an introduction, hello

[vapid jay]

i am printing my school physics textbook. i will prepare my physics at the school level first. i can do that. prepare for physics at the school level.

i will complete high school much earlier.

[remote crater]

How do you get employed anywhere if you did nothing for three years, and then you spent another three years getting a useless CS degree which you can't list in your resume because it will make you "overqualified" for an entry level job?

[near ocean]

a CS degree would not make you overqualified for a dev job anywhere

[proud glacier]

by entry level they're referring to data entry jobs

[near ocean]

thats not a developer role tho

[remote crater]

I want to get an entry level job because I'm a piece of shit who's underqualified for a developer job

[near ocean]

also you could just not mention it, who's doing interviews for data entry nonsense

[remote crater]

thegodlygeek said it would

[near ocean]

a degree is the bare minimum for a developer role nowadays

[peak halo]

!mute 345078407702511618 1d Take a break from the doomposting. It's unhealthy for you and for the community to be engaging with this.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @remote crater until <t:1751795605:f> (1 day).

[proud glacier]

please don't misrepresent what godlygeek said (meso said they didn't read the "dev job" portion, it's just a misunderstanding)
they were clear that it would make you overqualified for non-developer roles like data entry, not developer roles.

[near ocean]

CS BSc is probably on the low side of the education scale for dev jobs nowadays, there's a lot of people with more advanced degrees struggling to find jobs

[peak halo]

I'm not sure more education is the solution if the market is oversaturated

No

I looked at your resume briefly. I'm not sure there's anything you're doing wrong. It might just be market circumstances.

[white relic]

I agree that there isn't anything particularly wrong with your resume, but one tip: rewrite the bullet points in the first section so that they start with what you want the reader to take away. "Assisted", "Helped", "Played a role", "Participated in" are just filler words; anything you did on the job can be expected to be a team effort, so you don't need to mince words.

• Reduced application load times by 10-15%...
• Conducted automated testing... or maybe "Reduced defect density..."
• Implemented real-time package tracking notifications...
  etc.

in general the shorter and punchier the bullet point, and the faster the reader gets to the key information, the more effective it is at conveying how awesome you are

also I would expand "ISM" because I'm not familiar with that initialism

but yeah, remote only jobs are pretty competitive, and the entry level market is tough rn anyway.
Is there a reason why you're focusing on remote besides just not wanting to move? A lot of opportunities will require at least hybrid.

are you currently in Europe?

you will be screened based on your current location, or what recruiters can guess about it. I'd assume you're in the US from your resume

understood

that's a factor if you're applying to remote jobs, too. most companies don't do international remote work even if they do hire remote domestically

That's kinda tough too, it's usually far easier to hire domestically, so it's preferable to already be there. If you're mostly applying to EU jobs and you aren't in the EU, that can be a part of the issue.

[hearty island]

@white relic this may change if soc gen offers as well

overall i became better at tuning my apps i.e. not applying to everything in the market

which lowkey sounds counter intuitive, more volume to me means more success. but you never know in this market who hires and who doesn't

largest area for optimization here is probably interviews?

for everyone's context, this was my apps history last year:

[hearty island]

oh it was an entry level role for a SEC adjacent organization

[white relic]

(damian majored in business analytics, not cs)

[hearty island]

yep

[white relic]

Yep.

yes.

can you describe it on your resume? can you talk about it intelligently in an interview?

[hearty island]

[white relic]

yeah, that's still going to hurt you with some companies, but 10 YoE counts for a lot.

[hearty island]

a lot of companies substitute yoe for degrees

can’t point you to what ones exactly but i’d look through linkedin or job postings

[white relic]

yeah, the "or equivalent experience" is often in there explicitly, but tbh I'd read it in to most job postings

that's going to be your biggest obstacle.
most prefer to hire domestic talent, and especially if you will need visa sponsorship, you probably won't get it without a degree.

[quasi pelican]

what do I need to land degree apprenticeship at Amazon?

[white relic]

there's not a lot you can do about immigration policy of other countries, so to be perfectly honest I would try to find some more realistic goals for yourself

1. hiring remote internationally opens up a mess of legal questions about pay, HR issues, IP... what if you have an employment dispute? etc. The usual way to handle this is to hire only contract work internationally, but contract work has its own issues and still requires legal support that may be complex internationally, and...
2. companies that do hire in other countries tend to do so through a local subsidiary, which pays rates that are competitive locally, not what you would get if you were a domestic employee

If I may ask, how did you find yourself in this position? Did you spend the last 10 years doing highly specific security jobs on upwork...?

if you have any contacts at those companies you worked with before, that you could reach out to now and find if they have any advice for you, that would be a good place to start

sometimes not much to say other than, that sucks

perhaps there are some other regions you could consider, with more job availability than locally, although maybe not as green as EU/US

regarding demonstrating your skills without a degree, I don't find that to be a huge obstacle at your experience level. You won't be expected to put anything on a resume or application that breaks an NDA, and you shouldn't have to, anyway

welp

wish I could be more help. good luck!

[glass moss]

are hackathons super necessary for finding a job as an ML/AI Engineer? or making projects is still the best?

[ember oasis]

Hackathons help with teamwork and exposure, but they’re not a must.
Strong ML/AI projects matter more for jobs.
Focus on building real, useful projects and sharing them online.
That’s what really shows your skills....

[fringe sphinx]

You first need to be competent. And a mix of practice and studies is how you get there. You also need 'opportunities', and a broad foundation -and- relationships (knowing people, networking, going to tech meetups/social events and getting to know peers) is how you get there. So, practice -and- events are both very important to maximizing job outcomes

[glass moss]

I see. so hackathons are super necessary not because you learn how to code but because you get to meet people?

[fringe sphinx]

"super necessary" isn't really what I meant. I'm just saying: meeting people is a great idea and a hackathon is one way to do this. Doing/trying new things is also a great idea. So, I'd say: a hackathon sounds like fun, a good chance to meet other people, and a good chance to learn people. I don't think I'd say "necessary" tho, since there's lots of things you could do instead too.

[indigo finch]

How can I get a programming based remote job

[peak halo]

The market is very competitive right now and fully remote jobs are pretty rare. Most are hybrid.

[peak halo]

They're not. What is necessary is having a degree that's very focused on AI/ML. But hackathons are a nice-to-have for the reasons that Billy outlined.

[glass moss]

what degree is focused on AI/ML? i have a degree in computer engineering and we did have a specialization in there but is that considered to be very focused? or is comp sci more appropriate?

[peak halo]

In your country, is computer engineering about hardware or software/algorithms?

[indigo finch]

Is indie hacking still viable?

[peak halo]

Idk what that is

[indigo finch]

Indie hacking refers to the practice of building and launching a business or product independently, without relying on external funding like venture capital. It's characterized by individuals or small teams working solo or with minimal resources to create, market, and sell their own products or services. Indie hackers often prioritize freedom, control over their work, and building sustainable businesses that align with their values.

[peak halo]

I don't know.

[glass moss]

id say its a mix, we learn about doing IoTs and also had a subject about neural networks

[indigo finch]

Indie hackers create and sell software or app independently.

[quasi pelican]

Anyone live in UK? Is access course than degree apprenticeship viable career path?

[peak halo]

But it's emphatically not mainly about designing hardware?

In the US, computer engineering is about designing hardware.

[peak halo]

Idk how viable that is.

[glass moss]

yeah, we just studied how they work, our thesis was focused on implementing artificial intelligence on hardwares or softwares.

[peak halo]

I'm even more confused now. Yes or no, was your computer engineering degree primarily about creating hardware? Was that the main point?

And, do you know the difference between hardware and software?

[glass moss]

yeah its focused on software

[peak halo]

Okay, you might have enough experience for AI/ML jobs. I would look at job listings and see if what they ask for lines up with your experience. But you're more likely to be successful if you have a masters in whatever the most AI-focused subject is in your country. In the US and Europe, it would be computer science

[glass moss]

thank you for answering!

[near ocean]

I wouldnt mention leetcode, its understood that most applicants have heard of and tried leetcode out, its an open secret

[wraith harbor]

as someone whos done this, its much easier to just get a normal job

[lilac yoke]

What you list on your resume should be tied directly to whatever job you apply for. There will be bullet points on any job application you need to have word for word on your resume. Then, you should research the company and what other tech they use to get any bonus points there. Putting “I use AI” on my resume helps nobody (unless it’s explicitly on the job posting)

[wraith harbor]

probably not? it doesnt really demonstrate anything, anyone can paste into chatgpt, if anything if they think you over rely on it that could be a red flag

[lilac yoke]

Yes

Your resumes shouldn’t look alike at all, just follow a general format of where you put things for different jobs

The more keywords you can put in each area of your resume the higher your chances.

Especially in the professional experience section

[true turtle]

@north iron We do not allow advertising in this server as per our #rules , sorry.

I've deleted your message

[indigo bison]

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[lime oar]

I made ethical and legal rat

[peak halo]

!starify @indigo bison

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied superstar to @indigo bison until <t:1751755357:f> (1 hour).

Superstarified!

Your previous nickname, I'm looking for a dev for a five, was so bad that we have decided to change it. Your new nickname will be Rick Astley.

You will be unable to change your nickname until <t:1751755357:f>. If you're confused by this, please read our official nickname policy.

[indigo bison]

why ?

[peak halo]

Your name started with "I'm looking for a dev" and you posted "." In the career channel, which looks like advertising.

[indigo bison]

I was just checking if my username had been changed.

[peak halo]

It has, to Rick Astley. Hardly a punishment, tbh

[indigo bison]

Thinking doesn't sleep on the keyboard

Ntr slp tdb

[frail bramble]

thats carzy

[indigo bison]

yes

[sacred hollow]

Is anyone here in product or project management and could tell me how what their path to pm was

[vapid jay]

helloww everyone! 🙂

is it a bad thing to know that im like completely new to coding rn 🙂 im learning things slowly but am i late or something?..

[vapid jay]

never late to learn smthng

[white relic]

@fleet cedar Advertising is not allowed here. I have deleted your message.

!clban 1387784906356035637 advertising after being warned

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @fleet cedar permanently.

[cinder dagger]

guys, i would like to ask for some advice

i am a applied math major, with minors in both actuarial maths and big data technology

to be completely honest, my coding skill is close to zero cus i basically forgot everything

i would like to enhance my coding skills better to future career purpose. I know I can just watch CS50 videos to learn more, but i am afriad I am not able to show that i am now capable of coding in my CV. My grades in coding course ain't that good so if transcript is asked i am basically screwed.

Would you guys suggest me to just learn coding online (e.g. CS50 video) while uploading codes to github as a profile, or just enroll in related CS50 course and buy a certificate

i am not really sure if the certificate is worth it (it's around 500usd), nor what type of self project should i focus on

[proud glacier]

the CS50 certificate is not worth it

[cinder dagger]

i still got 1-2 more coding course i need to complete before i actually graduate so i would need to self learn more on coding before the semester start anyway

[white relic]

Certificates are not worth money.
Make projects to grow and demonstrate your skills. I don't place a high value on having a polished "Github resume" because nobody will click on the github links 99% of the time. What is important about projects is that you learn from them and you can talk about what you learned from them in an interview.

Why didn't you learn anything from your coding classes?

[cinder dagger]

my coding classes were 1.5 year apart, and some of them were actually comp course instead of coding course

[icy pagoda]

how is the pre-interview shortlisting done when you judge them?

[cinder dagger]

e.g. in data visualisation course, i do not actually have to code a lot, most are somehow theory and asking you to draw possible visualisation

[icy pagoda]

or is it primarily via networking portals?

[white relic]

resume

[cinder dagger]

and ffs my coding exams are hand-written

technically i only had 1 course that had coding question in my exam

[white relic]

making things is a good way to exercise skills you are learning so that you retain them for longer.

[cinder dagger]

others are somehow calculation, theory, graphs and so. the coding were mostly in homework or demonstration which are for dummies (many fill in the blanks)

so i knew the theory, i knew the calculation, but i can't code at all

[icy pagoda]

you'll have an easier time than most

just get into it, pick a programming language and start building things until you're comfortable enough

[cinder dagger]

so, now my best way is to watch tutorial vid while making projects and uploading to github?

[white relic]

idk about the tutorial part, but sure

[cinder dagger]

thank you for the advice, point taken i will try to build stuff and projects, and will not buy the certificates

[vapid jay]

there's a python course on udemy - Dr Angela Yu. It has a 100 sections with 100 projects. ( now now, the starting projects are obviously not going to count as 'projects', but they sure teach a LOT. You will still struggle in them ).

So, my point being, I recommend this course as it isn't just focused on teaching you basic coding. You're made to apply things you have learned, and then also she has coded those projects herself so you could check everything out for help.

[visual flax]

I didn't get any summer internships after finishing my associates in engineering. How bad is this? I'm entering my Junior year of college now

My gpa was 2.8 and it really took me a long time to even get my associates. A lot of jobs ask for my transcript idk how I should feel about it

[white relic]

it's unfortunate, but not uncommon, at least in the US. I also didn't have an internship after year 2. I didn't take finding one seriously and only applied to a couple and not early.
Try again next year?

[visual flax]

Alright that's nice to hear I got to really turn up this coming semester

[white relic]

Yeah. Try to improve your GPA.
Why did you get an associate's if you're going on to a 4 year degree?

[cinder dagger]

despite that is a course, it is hella more affordable

i would consider that, thank you very much

[hearty island]

i didn't have one till start of soph year. i did get one for textron, but i'd have to go to georgia during covid in freshman year. my mom was not ok with that.

[kind jetty]

Hi

[elder aspen]

Hii

[remote crater]

Why does it keep deleting my pdf

[white relic]

pdf attachments aren't allowed for security reasons
the easiest thing usually is to take a screenshot

[remote crater]

Is this cover letter written well enough?

One of the moderators was talking about how my doing nothing for 3 years basically makes me unemployable, and that it might help to write a cover letter addressing it. And also that my degree makes me look like I'll job hop in entry level positions.

This is my resume.

[lofty bough]

speedrun-programm

[near ocean]

2019 was six years ago but i dont think a job before uni (im assuming you were in your teens) matters anywhere, youre a fresh graduate

Also fix up your cv, theres a template in the pins its called jakes resume

[lofty bough]

are you looking for a job?

[remote crater]

Yes

[white relic]

I'm going to be a bit blunt.

Job hunting is a bit like dating: one of the worst things you can be is desperate.

Desperate people will say anything to get the job. A desperate person is so afraid of losing the job, they will fall over themselves to appear agreeable rather than admit to any weakness. It's hard to evaluate a desperate person's skills and doubly hard to evaluate their cultural fit.

This letter has desperation in it. It is pleading, rather than professional. It doesn't offer any explanation for the gap, or any reason why now you should be ready to work when you weren't then. It should be rewritten to be significantly shorter, probably 2 paragraphs at most. Don't say things like "please don't throw out my resume". Cut the fluff. Provide as much information as you are comfortable with to emphasize how your situation has changed (like, you don't have to say I have ass cancer now in remission, but "a medical condition which is now controlled / not expected to recur" or something like that). Don't beg

[remote crater]

I was in college for the last three years, so it was the three years between 2019-2022

[near ocean]

Im not sure i follow, a degree is 3 or 4 years, on the resume it says you finished june 2025

[remote crater]

I stopped working in 2019, then I did nothing from around 2019-2022, then I finished my degree between 2022-now

[white relic]

that makes the gap even less important. You're a new grad with a solid GPA, the last three years were spent improving yourself. Lots of people make missteps and have to start over, yours is a bit later than most, maybe.

[steel grove]

Hellooo 👋

[white relic]

tbh I don't even know if I'd put a temp data entry job on there given it's 6 years old and pre college

[remote crater]

But I have no work history other than that

[steel grove]

I am a 3rd year B tech Student without any future plans 🥲
Can you guys guide me through please

[remote crater]

It's also the type of position I'm currently aiming for

[leaden jasper]

Other fresh grads also don't have work experience. But having a solid resume and projects on there cover that

[lofty bough]

why not look for an intership?

[remote crater]

I wish I could say that, but the honest truth is that I did nothing for no reason. Nobody was really pushing me to go to school or find another job or anything, so I just didn't do anything for a while, then I got bored of that in 2022 and stopped doing nothing. I really don't have an explanation, but if I knew it would affect my employability then I wouldn't have done it.

[lofty bough]

i could say that, if you dont have a good project and not before jobs, then look for an intership

[leaden jasper]

Have you shared your resume here for feedback yet?

[remote crater]

This is my resume

[serene rose]

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[steel grove]

Guys??

[remote crater]

How can I write it in a way that doesn't seem like begging? It's more or less me saying "please disregard the gap, please hire me", so it seems like it's inherently a bit beggy.

[white relic]

If you have no explanation, maybe writing a cover letter to highlight your non- explanation hurts more than it helps?

[remote crater]

Well he said ideally I should come up with some excuse for it, but I honestly don't have any.

[leaden jasper]

Your education should be the first thing on your resume. It's the most recent and most relevant thing.

You can drop the objective unless it's there to fill space.

Where are your projects? Stuff for university counts. But your resume should demonstrate what skills you have. Have a separate section for your projects, expand on what they are, what they did, the languages and tools you used to build them.

Narrow down your skills section to specific technical skills. Having something like "strong attention to detail" is pretty meaningless.

[remote crater]

I really don't have any

[near ocean]

i would personally not write a generic cover letter
either write them for a specific job postings or not at all
I also had pre-uni irrelevant experience and i left it out of my cv when i first started looking for work

[leaden jasper]

You had no projects during university for classes?

[remote crater]

I don't have any personal projects

[leaden jasper]

That wasn't my question

[remote crater]

Oh, I see now

I have a few group projects in my GitHub

[leaden jasper]

But before anything else, you should work on your resume. That resume is not doing you any favors and can be improved to get you a better chance at landing interviews

[remote crater]

Okay

[leaden jasper]

Have you looked at other fresh grad example resumes? It can be helpful to see what they do for it, what they highlight, and how they format it

[remote crater]

I'm doubt they would hire me for one

[leaden jasper]

Definitely include some of those! And get specific about the details. The details are how you demonstrate what you can do

[near ocean]

kinda late for an internship, isnt it?

[remote crater]

Yeah

[near ocean]

i didnt have any internships and it worked out fine

[leaden jasper]

If you have free time now, work on some personal projects. This is the perfect time to do it and you can include it on your resume

Employers want to know you're motivated and the best way to show that is to continue building things even when you're not actively employed or in school

[remote crater]

I'm not going for a software dev job now, I'm just going for basic mindless work.

[vapid jay]

im a beginner coder. What language is the most in demand? Is it Python, or is anyone other one better?

[leaden jasper]

Why not?

[remote crater]

Because I don't know anything and I can't do anything

[vapid jay]

Someone answer.

[remote crater]

I've been told you should note what's mentioned on job listings and then learn the things that pop up the most frequently

[near ocean]

Youre not going to get a job by being slightly familiar with a popular language

[vapid jay]

That would also depend on the type of job, no?

[leaden jasper]

I'm going to be blunt, sorry in advance. That's a shit attitude that you need to improve.

You graduated college and on-time. That's not nothing. I've seen the questions you've asked here over the years and they're not basic, "I know nothing" questions. This defeatist attitude is a garbage one that isn't helping.

You do know things. Work on a personal project you're interested in. Show to employers and yourself you can

[vapid jay]

Thanks for the 100000 IQ tip brother. Shouldn't have wasted your time writing nonsense.

I know that work is required

[remote crater]

I mean for making yourself generally more employable

[leaden jasper]

Alright, chill out please. No need to be rude.

[vapid jay]

I'm just eyeballing it for now. Gonna try to learn whatever comes my way. Gonna get Dr Angela's Udemy course.

[leaden jasper]

Language demand depends on when you're looking for a job and also where you are. There's no clear cut answer.

People aren't hired because they just know one language. They're hired because they can solve problems with code.

Ideally you should know multiple languages and be able to pick up others without a huge amount of effort

[vapid jay]

You know, I don't mean to be insulting. It was a simple, obvious and a logical thing that he wrote back to me. I just asked only what is the most in-demand thing.

[leaden jasper]

And yet it was still rude. So chill.

[vapid jay]

Man rules here that strict? 💀 I didn't even say a cuss word yet

[true harness]

the language you start with doesn't matter

[leaden jasper]

And if you're really doubting your skills and knowledge then first, still do improve your resume, then expand jobs to a bit wider than software dev. What about QA? What about tech admin or IT support? Stuff that's still adjacent to software dev, so you can still make a jump back in and it'll give you time to build to it.

[remote crater]

Well what I meant is that it seems like they want solid hands-on experience with whatever softwares they use on their job, and not surface level / theory type of things that college teaches you, or whatever types of things you're referencing from this discord

[true harness]

you can use projects to demonstrate your knowledge of certain tools/frameworks/anything

[leaden jasper]

Ping me when you update your resume and re-share it here. I feel fairly confident that we have it show that you do have experience and you do know things.

Also remember that most job listings are a wishlist. You don't need to meet every single thing on it. Hell, I know for a fact that I did not meet all requirements for the last 3 positions I applied for and got

[vapid jay]

I'd honestly say it does though. I know C++ to an intermediate level ( I have not done DSA yet btw ). Shifting to Python was quite easy right now.

I want to learn a lot through Python.

[vapid jay]

Is it okay if i ask in what range do you earn
and how long have you been in the field

[remote crater]

I've heard that python is mainly used in conjunction with data processing types of libraries, like numpy / pandas / torch, so you should probably focus mostly on those. Vs focusing in-depth on python language features and stuff like that.

[leaden jasper]

I won't be of much help, I'm in aerospace and not software dev. The stuff I work on is 50% code, but it's always to support the work I'm actually paid for.

[outer rivet]

Is it a good idea to apply to companies that just had mass layoffs like Microsoft? Is it even a good idea to apply to tech jobs right now?

[vapid jay]

Oh damn then I'd say you should be well over 6 figures

[leaden jasper]

But I'm 31 and make ... I think like $140k now? I'd have to re-check

[remote crater]

That's a lot of money

[leaden jasper]

I live a good lifestyle I'm happy with

[vapid jay]

That is great dude. I need help on the fact that I'm rather more of a time-wasting person than focusing on learning.

What do you suggest on this?

[remote crater]

What if I work on getting comtTIA certifications?

[white relic]

I agree with this BTW

[vapid jay]

Think it's much better to learn the background knowledge and then move onto those things. Most people just rush into these topics.

[leaden jasper]

Cybersecurity is not something I know well. You'd have to ask someone more specifically in that field.

[fast fossil]

I would suggest to waste your time more productively, by learning stuff 😁

[leaden jasper]

But cybersec folks definitely still value those certificates from what I know

[remote crater]

Not specifically cybersecurity

[leaden jasper]

External accountability goes a long way. When you want to buckle down to focus then reduce distractions. Even if you don't feel like it, work on stuff for at least 5 minutes. If you're still really not feeling it after 5 minutes then you can stop. Set timers to work on stuff for X amount of time.

[leaden jasper]

It would depend on which one then

[remote crater]

They have one for general IT stuff

[leaden jasper]

I'd check IT admin job listings and see if they mention it

[remote crater]

Alright

Oh yeah, I've also been practicing leetcode, can I list that?

Or is that something they just expect you to know automatically?

[leaden jasper]

I'd leave it off for now, but maybe consider adding it back in depending on what your updated resume looks like

[remote crater]

Okay

And a cover letter basically won't help me, right?

[leaden jasper]

Focus on the resume first, but I agree with trent and mar. I don't think it's necessary for you right now

[remote crater]

Okay, I'll look at the resume first

[remote crater]

I think nobody answered this

[near ocean]

Thats kind of unanswerable

[terse bison]

Hello

I'm a 16 year old A Level student and about to admission onto my final school year hopefully in a month and a few weeks

I started learning Python last year and I quite know the basics and recently I began watching people build various pojects

I was hoping to get an insight from any experienced developer (specifically a software engineer as that's my dream job in the future) that can list everything I need to do and know as of now and later ahead so that I can land a suitable intern and job whilst gaining the necessary skills and sufficient experience

I was thinking to start learning DSA first then head onto making projects

[native crane]

Hello guys, i'm happy to be there!

I'm working as a Java Software engineer for 2 years already I like python but in my country, Greece, there's few jobs in Python. Where to focus and what to learn in order to find a remote job in Europe with the combination of Java and Python?

[white relic]

To elaborate a little on what I said before:
(1) I don't think cover letters generally help anyone much. The first thing potential employers will look at is the résumé and you're probably being screened based on that alone, so that should be your priority.
(2) If anyone does look at it, the judgment I wrote way up #career-advice message applies; this isn't a cover letter that makes you look good, so it's safer just to leave it off.
(2.5) I'd normally never suggest using formula cover letters, which is just a waste of your time; cover letters are for highlighting your unique relationship or fit to the company that isn't found in the résumé alone. Any cover letter that is generic enough to send to any opening isn't pulling its weight.
(3) However, your situation is a little bit unusual, so you're in a borderline case as far as cover letters go: although you can't justify your gap, it might just help you to briefly acknowledge that in a professional manner and call attention to the aspects you want to emphasize (you're extra hampered here by the fact that your résumé is pretty thin, so you don't have much to emphasize besides your degree, but hey, that's what you got).
Less is more for this kind of thing. A couple of sentences will do. Nothing about leeching off your family, maybe at most one mention of the fact you regret your past decisions, and emphasize the work you've put in the last three years to get a degree.
I don't think I'll try to draft one here because, as mentioned, the cover letter shouldn't be your main focus and I don't feel like putting in time on it, but do come back with your revised résumé and if you want to retry the cover letter at some point, post that here for more feedback.

[hearty island]

chief this is not it

[lime oar]

idk where to put this but i have psutil installed but its not detected someone help me please

[vapid jay]

Yo

[near ocean]

you should probably put it in #python-discussion instead of the channel named #career-advice

[mystic kiln]

How do you guys feel about AI? Do you guys think it will make it significantly harder to become a software engineer?

[lilac yoke]

It should make it significantly easier! You can learn anything much faster with AI assistance, that applies globally to any career field.

On top of that, you can avoid wasting time debugging by using AI, generally finding solutions faster

It even speeds up the coding process, providing meaningful context driven autocomplete (this is what companies mean when they say "99% of code is AI written"... its a lot of autocomplete, not necessarily prompting)

[mystic kiln]

It kind of just scares me, you know?

[lilac yoke]

Nothing to be scared about

Really, all its doing is helping you learn things by phrasing them in a useful way, and making you type less. The same skill threshold applies

[mystic kiln]

Thanks for the insight

[pliant ember]

Nothing to be scared about bro

AI can probably be better than developers in the next 10-20 years but if you put your time and soul into your work it will always be better than AI

[white relic]

AI can probably be better than developers in the next 10-20 years
depends on what you mean by "AI", "better", and "developer"

current gen AI are pretty good at some things, and other things probably need to wait for another fundamental breakthrough, which don't come every decade

[lilac yoke]

I think the next breakthroughs in AI will be improving their current capabilities, doubtful AGI will ever be apart of the question

[white relic]

look at it this way: even five years ago, if someone had asked "what's the direction of the next ai breakthrough?" very few people would have guessed "Markov chains doing college students' homework"

the next breakthrough is likely to come from a direction few anticipate

[azure bison]

ai is dam near useless for me when it comes to programming something specific

[pine sleet]

the more specific you get the worse generic LLMs are

[sweet ledge]

anyone know how to use selenium?

I need helpp

[hushed falcon]

what's the specific issue?

[peak halo]

@sweet ledge take a look at #❓｜how-to-get-help

[sweet ledge]

I cant because theres an innapropriate word in the script and I dont want to be banned

[sweet ledge]

are you able to help me in dms I would greatly appreciate it

[peak halo]

you can replace that word with a different one.

[peak halo]

don't ask for help in DMs. It's easier for everyone (including you) if you just ask for help in the sever per #❓｜how-to-get-help

[sweet ledge]

thats true ill just put 3 hashtags

[crystal glacier]

it makes the field easier to learn but harder to compete against others (copy paste)
i would say to be part in a low level part of the software market it would make it very bad but the one person that enhances their abilitys with AI will make the difference in the future

[stark canyon]

As an extension to this, there's a risk it will increase the divide between highly skilled, highly paid senior software developers, and less skilled, lower paid junior software developers, without an easy or clear path to progress from one to the other. To be a really skilled programmer, you need to properly understand what the computer is doing, how it thinks, etc, at more than a surface level. That's why senior engineers are more valuable and are paid more. They've got the experience and knowledge needed to be more effective. These are also the people who are the most well poised to take advantage of the benefit this new AI tool brings. Meanwhile, if your output can be matched or beat by a LLM, why pay for the person doing the work?

I don't think AI is going to make it "easier to learn" programming, in the sense that it'll help you understand the computer on a deeper level. It might be able to explain concepts to you, but no amount of code generation, and no amount of copy-pasting, will save you from the grueling work of trying to actually internalize the information, bake it into your mental model, and make it your own. That's what you have to do to truly get ahead.

[crystal glacier]

i agree
i meant that if you get a clue how to use AI to enhance your abilitys its more effective than beating books for months to get to the information you are looking
AI has to be seen as an accelerater of your own mental capabilitys if used correct
so you have to have the correct concept of how to process informations
thats what makes AI great it can multiply your own progress

[sly ibex]

I say learn how to build and make an AI/ML to stay ahead of the curve.

[stark canyon]

I'll be very curious to see what the software industry looks like a few years from now. I can imagine either that LLMs completely devalue junior developer output, to the point that even skilled junior developers will have stiff competition and low pay starting out, or that the backlash against people using LLMs to write code badly will cause companies to get turned off the idea entirely and make it a policy to avoid LLM use (or LLM users) for the most part. These are pessimistic outlooks, but given what I know about LLMs (and possibly my own biases), those are the ones I consider the most likely.

Of course it's possible that I'm just an old man who can't get over the fact that "back in my day, you actually had to know what you were doing". Predicting the future is notoriously hard. Perhaps using LLMs is just going to become the norm and a tremendous amount of value will be generated by novices to the point that they outpace the older generation who don't "get it" in the same way. My career could be walking to its doom. You never know 😛

[loud hull]

Hello guys

What language to learn python or java?

Which is more widely OPEN to use and had more bemefis on long term+carreer

Does they both do the same thing?

[sly ibex]

It mainly depends on your targeted goal on what you want to achieve.

[sly ibex]

Python and Java are two different languages.

[stark canyon]

Can you technically do anything with both? Yes, for the most part.

Do people in practice tend to use them for the same things? Well, there's some overlap, but there are things which are definitely going to be more common to do in Python, and some things which are definitely more common to do in Java.

[vapid jay]

Hi everyone,

I’m 24 and currently unemployed. I was supposed to graduate in 2023 but, due to various personal reasons, I failed my entire third year and couldn’t take my exams. I’ve recently started retaking those exams and, if all goes well, I’ll finally graduate by next year.

Over the past couple of years, I’ve struggled with depression, anxiety, and panic attacks, which made things even harder. Python is the only programming language I’ve found easy enough to follow, and I really enjoy working with it. However, I’m confused about which field to choose so I can become job-ready as quickly as possible and start applying, since I feel like I’ve already lost a lot of time.

Could you please guide me on which Python field would be the best for fast job placement, and share any advice or resources that might help someone in my situation? I’d really appreciate your support and suggestions. Thank you.

[white relic]

what are you graduating from?

[vapid jay]

B Tech (CS)

[loud hull]

What goals specifically? I always hear python is for beginners and gava is more advanced does this mean java has better carreer potencials

[icy pagoda]

Python is just a language, and it's used in most fields including mathematical, mechanical, finances, sciences etc. afaik, you can't really do any of those "quickly" (well, depends on your performance/interest and definition of quick). most of them would make you job ready

[stark canyon]

Java isn't more "advanced", but it's generally harder for beginners to pick up.

[sly ibex]

Depends what you are after. Python is used for a range of things, such as AI/ML, Data analysis, Backend dev etc. Java has springboot, JavaFX and a few more. The first programming language I begin with was python, last year June. Fast forward to now, I know a range of programming languages. Once you learn python thoroughly then other languages should be easy to grasp.

[near ocean]

Java is a university favourite language pick, i dont think i'd call it harder to pick up than others if every dumb 18yo going to uni for CS has to learn it

[sly ibex]

I agree. Which why python is the best for begineers. Once you learn that, then jumping to learn other programming languages should be easy.

[sly ibex]

So then if I know Java properly before university I basically have the advantage?

[near ocean]

If you know any programming language before uni you have an advantage

[stark canyon]

My university switched from Java to Python as its intro language while I was there, specifically because they thought it would be a softer start.

[sly ibex]

Well i know about 5 of them.

[icy pagoda]

same but mine uses java for OOP classes

[sly ibex]

Do any of these uni use C#?

[icy pagoda]

it's like "intro to programming" is python, "OOP" is java and basically every other class is C/C++ (operating systems, compiler etc)

C# was used in game prog for us (unity)

[stark canyon]

Yeah, I think that was the same with my uni. So you can ask the question, are you just postponing the hitting of the wall for those students who would have fumbled the ball on Java in the first place? 😛

What about Haskell, for functional programming? That's fun.

[icy pagoda]

we never did haskell in uni sadly

it was in an elective though iirc

[white relic]

my university allowed students to choose java or c# for some classes

[sly ibex]

They include unity in the CS program? I created a 2d game with python called spaceinvaderx a few months ago. Its just pure OOP lol

[sly ibex]

Hmmm but isn't Java more common then C#?

[near ocean]

So you would have an advantage, but do you know 5 languages? At what level, hello world in 5 languages doesnt count

[stark canyon]

Depends on your market. My country has drunk the Microsoft kool-aid for a while.

[icy pagoda]

game programming lab had unity for us in the initial 70%ish classes before it deviated to C++ (and basically turned to graphics programming for the most part tbh)

[white relic]

is it? idk.
would that be an important factor in deciding which language to use for CS 102?

[sly ibex]

I know from intermediate - advance. Just writing "hello world" in 5 language doesn't make sense because its a 5 second job lol.

[near ocean]

Many people think solving beginner tier puzzles with a language means they now "know" x language, thats not the case

[stark canyon]

I think it would be. From what I can understand, the two most important factors for whether to choose a specific language for teaching a concept would be: (1) Conceptual fit - does it embody the concept you're teaching well? and (2) Practical applicability - if you learn it, is that a practical skill you can apply later in life? All else being equal, Java being relevant on the second axis holds some weight.

[sly ibex]

Thats true but im not like that.

[sly ibex]

Oh ok interesting.

[sly ibex]

No idea as im not in a CS program. Im in my final year of college. Before deciding to go to UNI.

[icy pagoda]

uni doesn't care about the language much
it just exists to show you the concepts and how stuff works

[sly ibex]

In the UK, how common are degree apprenticeship programs? I want to aim for that.

[white relic]

Both Java and C# are major industry languages.

[sly ibex]

Java is more commonly used then C#. Whereas C# is used by microsoft.

[near ocean]

Last i checked degree apprenticeships are pretty competitive, they might be harder to get into than a good university

[stark canyon]

Yes, but I'm commenting on your question in general 😛 Ideally it would come down to which of those languages are a best fit for teaching the concept. But who knows what's really at play where the decision is made.

[icy pagoda]

do people build new codebases in java or is it usually to maintain and update codebases which already use java

android actively prefers kotlin now

[near ocean]

Thats location specific really

(in London i see a lot more c#/dotnet positions than java)

[sly ibex]

And they running out fast from what I heard. "they might be harder to get into" Then you have to really stand out from most applicants then.

[near ocean]

Honestly the gov should spend more money sponsoring these schemes than they do right now but it is what it is

[stark canyon]

I believe there's a certain amount of history involved in the decision. Java traditionally being used as an intro language in academia reinforces its position as an intro language in academia. If you become a professor at the university where you learned programming, and you learned programming in Java, why would you make the switch to C#?

[sly ibex]

Yes they shoud, a degree program is the best way in my view. Faster way actually.

[icy pagoda]

fairly sure they learned programming with C/C++

[sly ibex]

Wow. Do they use Blazor or something for C#?

[stark canyon]

I mean, I guess that depends on which generation they're from.

[near ocean]

No idea, I don't do c#, probably not since most of them mention react as well

[icy pagoda]

most of my professors were really comfortable with C/C++ and that's still the standard for a LOT of the systems courses anyways. java was just used to demonstrate OOP mostly

[stark canyon]

Question for the audience: Now that Kotlin is replacing Java, should Java still be required knowledge in that kind of work setting?

[sly ibex]

I had to learn C# for my programming assignment in BTEC. I manage to get an overall distinction in that unit aswell. Although C# was not in my plan, I had no choice but just to learn it, so i can create the project.

[sly ibex]

Any of these university touch on python?

[icy pagoda]

yeah, the intro course

[sly ibex]

That be easy for me I guess lol.

[icy pagoda]

yep probably, picking up languages for the courses become easy after your first language anyways

[sly ibex]

Yes but if you know a range of languages and master them before entering into a CS program then the 1st year should be easy if im correct.

[white relic]

Kotlin replacing Java? I guess, in the sense that Java replaced COBOL.

[icy pagoda]

it shouldn't really be hard regardless, but it might help you be more comfortable with picking up and making projects from the first year (outside your academic coursework)

[stark canyon]

That is my understanding of the current trends in the job market, with the caveat that I haven't actually worked with either professionally. Just based on tidbits I've heard here and there. Could also be a local thing I guess.

[sly ibex]

I already have been making projects outside of college studies. Python: I builded a 2D game and much more.

[sly ibex]

So during that time i can probably shift my focus into data structures and algorithms?

[icy pagoda]

sure, if you want to. or look for building more interesting things

[sly ibex]

Yep, thats the more smart approach.

[vapid jay]

what should I do?? any advice??

[icy pagoda]

this was a reply to that message @vapid jay

python is very common in data sci roles now which is a mathematical field

[vapid jay]

Thanks!

[sly ibex]

Is a grade 4 in maths GCSE level in UK (if you know what does is) enough or do i need to upgrade my maths skills?

I basically have foundation mathematical skills. Not advanced

[white relic]

You don't need amazing mathematical skills to learn software engineering

[sly ibex]

Oh, i thought SWE requires advance maths knowledge.

So a grade 4 is fine then, for mathematical foundation basics? @white relic

[white relic]

I don't know what a grade 4 means (USA). I have never asked or been asked about my high school grades in my adult life, though. Are you (hopefully) planning on going to university?

[balmy mural]

You should check grade requirements for your target university. They might have higher requirements, or grade 4 might be enough

[sly ibex]

I dont know. Im waiting for my results which arrive in mid august. I want to enter into a degree programming as that will be better for me. If i cant get into a degree program then I guess I have to do a CS degree then or i just take a gap year.

[sly ibex]

Will do soon.

[sly ibex]

I do feel like a CS degree will be easy for me, as I previously build projects in a range of programming languages, and continuing to learn every day.

[cyan crow]

Any career advice for an apprentice full stack developer with a master degree in cybersecurity? After the master I was thinking about certifications, like CEH or OSCP

[hearty island]

what is cat compliant

[left geode]

How is ai gonna effect quants? idk if I should still bother pursuing it or not

[fringe sphinx]

What field would be unaffected by AI?

[left geode]

As in to what degree

Like will there be no jobs or will there just be a few less

[fringe sphinx]

It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.

(Nobody knows)

But, my opinion is: fields that involve judgement and deep thinking are not in danger. AI is just another tool that'll make the jobs more productive, not eliminate them.

ML is a powerful tool for quants, and it's created more opportunities not less

[left geode]

Yeah that’s true

It’s such a difficult time to be deciding what career I want to do

[marsh saffron]

Hi All

[hearty island]

accepted an offer

[wind pelican]

Hi

[wary patrol]

hii

[wary patrol]

helloo~

[marsh saffron]

Hi, welcome

[bright marsh]

hi my files are downloading as .py files aven though i deleted python can somebody help me

[deft herald]

This channel is for career discussion. Looks like you're already getting help in python-discussion

[wary patrol]

I thought you wanted to discuss lol

[meager dew]

hey i just completed my internship and i am currently looking for remote jobs but i couldn't find and good platform for that except, Wellfound, cutshort, if you know any such great platforms for finding remote works, please share it, it will be helpful.

[deft herald]

Linkedin lets you filter by remote

google job search would probably do it too

[white reef]

Hello, I am writing to you to find out if I could have a script for the SNAKE game to code on the TI 83 Premium CE python edition calculator

If you have a script, DM me

[strange pumice]

quick question is it worth switching to start ups?

[pastel abyss]

if you're established, have a good financial foundation, and can take the risk of the start up collapsing, sure.

[strange pumice]

The pay is mouth watering

[pastel abyss]

and if you can survive if the entire thing collapses, then take the money...

[marsh saffron]

souds good

[strange pumice]

Fair

[white relic]

what startups have "mouth watering" pay

It seems more common from where I am that startups offer less than competitive pay and sweeten the deal with equity, which will be worth nothing if the thing collapses, and can't, except under specific circumstances, be conveniently liquidated even if the startup is successful

[next plover]

The ponzi schemes

(Until they run out of course)

[visual flax]

Is it normal to feel totally brutalized? Having a disability in engineering class is the worst I feel like I have to fight and scrap to do just half as well as my peers

[near ocean]

what kind of disability and what kind of engineering class

[next plover]

yes and it sucks

but the outcome is worth it if you can push through

[visual flax]

We'll say autism. In digital systems I consistently peformed the worst in the class. My professopr was incredibly mean to me imo and was demoralizing

with his grading.

[next plover]

is the class over?

[visual flax]

yea I etched out with a C with my partner bragging about how he carried me

[next plover]

so the class is over, is there anything you can do to change the past?

[visual flax]

No but I want to finally be one of the top students in class. Having a low grade is painful.

[next plover]

i almost failed highschool trust me i know

[visual flax]

I don't know how to do that with my disability though. But this semester I'm going to try selling my soul.

[vapid violet]

How do you know that you were at the bottom?

[next plover]

but at the end of the day a number is not a representation of you

dont live your life wishing you had a higher number

do your best

[visual flax]

The grade you can click it to see

[next plover]

what specifically is your fear here

[visual flax]

MY fear is that I'll always be the lowest performing member. That people will always consistently humble me

[next plover]

lowest performing based on what metric, an arbirtrary value ?

[visual flax]

Idk I'd like to have a numerical value

[next plover]

for your intelligence?

[visual flax]

yea.

Like is being humbled always supposed to hurt this much?

[next plover]

the issue is that for some people grades are not the best metric

some people dont even try in school and get As, i literally almost didnt graduate for failing so bad

[next plover]

you are humbling yourself over what you think is good

[visual flax]

Perhaps but this is no longer a career discussion but a therapy session and I refuse to do that to anyone ty though

[next plover]

great choice

[visual flax]

This conversation was incredible though I appreciate it!.

[wraith harbor]

idk about 'mouth watering', but they are more willing to pay less experienced people

[next plover]

(im kidding please go get therapy)

[visual flax]

I didn't mean to break down I was trying to be professional

[warm maple]

Can someone help me with a stupid thing i wanna do as a fun project. i have a small robot body and i have ollama, i want a ai that is uncencored and that has full power on my computer and continues to learn. my eventual goal is to throw that ai into the little robot thats it i want the only goal to be to grow smarter ig if anyone can help me pls do I'm absolutly clueless the first ai i downloaded for free just gave up trying to learn more

[near ocean]

pay them decent wages though?

[wraith harbor]

Yeah I think people who would be juniors at other companies can work for like 20% more salary at startups, but the risk level is much higher. Not really worth it probably though

[near ocean]

cant say its been my experience

[wraith harbor]

idk, where i live its like $90k junior roles and startup roles are like $120k+, which is the equivalent of like 2+ years experience positions

[white relic]

that seems
very situational
or maybe by "startup" you mean "company that started up already years ago and is now successful but just isn't FAANG"

[hearty island]

so um, my intern fucked up today 😦

(yes i have an intern, it shocks me too)

[white relic]

go on

[hearty island]

i told her to send out a three sentence email on july 3rd. i gave her explicit & clear instructions as well as a template with the exact sentences she should be sending out. she said she'd do it and CC both me and my mgr on it.

monday comes rolling around, i check on my email and i see nothing. i followed up with her once and she’s like i’m working on it. i follow up at the end of the day, cc my mgr, still nothing.

is this on me??? how long does a 3 sentence email take to send?

am i expecting too much?

[white relic]

yeah I mean
generally everything the intern does is on you, if you're her mentor

[hearty island]

does she just not take my authority seriously? i'm gonna be the one writing her review

[white relic]

idk if this situation is a "lazy" or a "crippled by responsibility" type deal or something else but one of the things I learned quick was that sometimes you really gotta spell it out

[hearty island]

but what is so crippling about collecting status updates for projects?

[white relic]

we once hired an intern who failed to mention throughout the whole interview/hiring process that he was going to be on vacation out of country for like the entire internship period

maybe he thought he'd get away with something, but I think he was just... unaware that it was his responsibility to have availability

[hearty island]

i even said to her that hey if you don't understand what i'm asking, feel free to ask me any questions. and she literally asked nothing

[white relic]

welp
better find out

[hearty island]

this is routine administrative work, she should ideally be able to do this in her sleep

[white relic]

"Hey, remember your assignment to send this email? Why haven't you done it yet?"
probably how I would approach that

it's very tempting to offer explanations but in this situation I'd not want to lead the witness

[hearty island]

very similar to what i had sent at the end of the day requesting a status update. needless to say i am very disappointed

[white relic]

can you talk to her in person?

[hearty island]

nope

[hearty island]

maybe she feels like this admin work or whatever is below her?

[white relic]

case study in why remote internships aren't as effective as in person

[hearty island]

but like this is the first time i've handed something to her, i thought we could start small?

[hearty island]

she did express discontent initially that she had interviewed for another role but they felt my dept's work was closer to her skillset

[white relic]

call her on teams / equivalent synchronous communication platform?

harder to ignore or equivocate in real time

[hearty island]

yea first thing tomorrow i need to get to the bottom of this

[white relic]

bet

[hearty island]

bc like i wanna write a favorable review, but she's really forcing my hand

[white relic]

how much longer does she have?

[hearty island]

till august?

[white relic]

yeah it sucks sometimes but you got a job to do

... for now

speaking of

[hearty island]

cboe's sending a final offer letter tomorrow, they've pushed my start date to august 5th so i can relocate properly

[white relic]

that's great!

I don't think you'll regret that decision.

[hearty island]

soc gen just scheduled a 6th interview. and i'm like bro.

[white relic]

lol.

[hearty island]

sorry, not even scheduled. just "the scheduling team will reach out to you for the next interview with head of audit, thx bye"

[white relic]

that's some runaround they're giving you

[hearty island]

fucking ridiculous

[hearty island]

i think soc gen is being rather disrespectful of my time, to put it nicely.

also surely there are more qualified candidates, so i don't even think i'll get the gig

even if i did, the behavior i've seen from them has kinda grossed me out??

[white relic]

yeah and also
you told them politely but firmly that you are under time pressure and they basically said "ok and?"

[hearty island]

correct and they just said cool kk leave us alone then

plus i feel like being an investigator on an exchange is a lot cooler than being an auditor at an IB. my finance-y friends agree.

[white relic]

well sometimes that's how it goes
I agree that interviewing experience would leave a bad taste

[hearty island]

6 rounds is crazy.

4 at the most.

[white relic]

your current position is getting eliminated, right? do you have a last day already or do you need to give notice?

[hearty island]

2 week notice, once i get the official offer letter from cboe and background check + drug test i'll put it in

[white relic]

cool man
best of luck

[plucky plaza]

looking for mentor. wanna hop in job markets

[jolly yacht]

hey! im not sure if this is the right channel for this, but im a highschool student in the U.S. looking for some advice about networking in the field of quantitative trading or just finance in general, any advice from just pointing me in the right direction or something more specific is greatly appreciated!

[true turtle]

!ban 1021360313607651350 2w Soliciting for work despite prior warning.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @coarse crane until <t:1753170225:f> (14 days).

[wind pelican]

!ban @plucky plaza

?ban @plucky plaza

[white relic]

If you have an issue with another user, you can ping the Moderators role, or DM @severe widget

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[wind pelican]

Oh I'm soo sorry I js tested if I have any perms to ban other players sorry if it's against the rules

[white relic]

Fortunately the bot will not allow that, but if it had been successful, you would have just banned someone for no reason.

You can use #bot-commands to test out the bots, BTW. This channel is for career related advice and discussion

[wind pelican]

ok

[open ivy]

I like how networking is not a zero sum game.

Meaning that if everyone gets better at it, job satisfaction will rise as a whole (since people will be better at finding better matches) and unemployment will drop.

[gaunt rain]

guys, i have my resume in pdf format
and i do have some of my projects mentioned in them
do i have a hyperlink to those project's source code in github?

[next plover]

I did a hyperlink in the name of the project then a short description

[gaunt rain]

what i was about to ask is, is it necessary?

[near ocean]

You should have a link to your github in case people want to print the resume but yes, hyperlinks is fine

[next plover]

It doesn't hurt but most people won't look past a description on the resume

[gaunt rain]

what is a description in resume?
is it like summary about urself?

[near ocean]

A description of the project

[gaunt rain]

i have that as 6 short bulletin points
is that ok?
or should i make it as a paragraph?

also, how do u guys make ur resume?

what softwares do yall use?
(the slowdown timer in here is too much)

[near ocean]

msword gang

[gaunt rain]

can u blur ur stuff and show ur layout?
idk how you'd do some fancy stuff in word

[near ocean]

My layout is the template in the pins basically
Jake's resume

[gaunt rain]

oh so u just use one of those popular templates thats's suggested

[near ocean]

Yep, its just easier that way

[wanton birch]

Mine is similar. Just more wordy

[white relic]

Simple templates are good. You don't want the reader to be distracted or have to think about how to read it

[peak halo]

@calm scarab your message was removed for offering money and for being off-topic for this channel. Be sure to read the #rules

[calm scarab]

Where can I send it?

[peak halo]

It seems that you still haven't read the rules; there is nowhere in this server where that is allowed.

[calm scarab]

sorry for the inconvenience

[prisma field]

ive used python for 8 years and two jobs and only just recently made a program using type annotations. night and day for anything complex 😭

[viral copper]

Greetings, has Python any DOM-implemented library without using js?

[prisma field]

beautifulsoup is pretty good but i havent web scraped in years to be honest

[fringe sphinx]

Ask in #python-discussion plz, this is careers

[gentle veldt]

hello everyone,
My situation is kind of weird I want advice. I am currently in dental school, just finished my third year a couple of weeks back and I have a feeling that I dont want to just work as a dentist my whole life, I have the tiniest bit of background from a while back when I took a full stack webdev course and I am thinking of giving programming in general a go because, first I am in summer vacation rn with nth to do and second I kind of feel good about it, its kind of satisfying and it generally just feels like a good option. Now the question is, is it possible for me as a dental student to find work if I self learn through courses and make projects on my own?

[long solar]

is monster.com still relevant

[next plover]

I swear I just read news about them shutting down or something

[gaunt rain]

wil there be no more monster energy drinks?

[gaunt rain]

whats that template?

[burnt mantle]

it's a job search site, likely couldnt hack it with indeed and linked in dominating online job searchig

[near ocean]

#career-advice message

[gaunt rain]

you said u edit ur resume in word tho

that site only generates pdfs

i've downloaded latex engine so that i can edit my resumes that i make in that website locally without internet

@near ocean bro, how do u edit that pdf/latex file using word?

[near ocean]

i have a word doc that i export to pdf

[meager sigil]

Hey, so i believe u can do freelancing, because its kinda hard to get a job in company without appropriate degree, but it depends on your area.

[long solar]

Bro got flagged as a spammer

[wary patrol]

is this true guys it's very hard to get job without degree? but what if without degree person has more quality projects and good portfolio with those projects?

[long solar]

Idk man all I know is that on upwork you have to PAY to bid on clients to work for

[long solar]

Yeah I found articles about them filing for bankruptcy

[wary patrol]

that's contract based sort of like freelancing isn't? what about actual jobs in companies

[long solar]

My brother got a job with only an associates degree because we went to a bootcamp, but that was in like the prime job market in 2019

[white relic]

1. it's harder to build a portfolio if you don't have education or experience. People with degrees often do projects for their degree, plus internships, etc.
2. it's hard to get people to even look at your portfolio and projects if you don't meet the basic requirements for the job, which usually includes a degree.

if you can overcome that, and get the right people to look at your portfolio and overlook the lack of education, then 3) you'll still likely be hired at a lower compensation than if you had a degree, because you're a greater risk, and you have fewer options.

[wary patrol]

damn I see, but what about people who learn programming by themselves or switch their work industries?

[white relic]

they usually have a hard time getting interviews.

[wary patrol]

I see !

[wary patrol]

can I dm you for this discussion further? it's alright if can't

[gentle veldt]

I am still looking for options but even through having alot of projects will it still be tough for me to land a job in a company?

idk how easy or hard any of this is so I am just asking for advice, is it a somewhat ok career path to consider?

[white relic]

Thanks for asking, but I prefer to keep interactions on-server.

[gentle veldt]

the only background I have is in webdev which was pretty easy I like to think

[wary patrol]

I just want you to review my projects or github

[wary patrol]

and it's understandable, I just didn't wanted to share the github here

unless if there is no other option then I will

[tired lynx]

am i at a real disadvantage when i try to find a job in the computer science field without a maths A-Level in the United Kingdom?

I'm taking Computer Science, Informational Technologies and Electronics

[white relic]

Sharing it here is probably better, as you may get more eyes on it that way.
If your github has public repos you don't want people to see, well, it probably shouldn't have those.

[faint depot]

What sort of sixth form/college do you go to? Never heard of someone taking electronics as a subject in A levels

[tired lynx]

It’s just a regular college, it’s 1 of like 100 in the United Kingdom that actually offer it as an A-level! So i’m kinda happy that I may have an A-level that could be i demand

[faint depot]

Intriguing. Going to be honest, a Maths A level is necessary to go onto a computing based degree. With how dog shit computer science A level is, unis dont even give a shit about it

[tired lynx]

You’ve got to be joking me

But i’m like praying for a 7 in GCSE maths??

I don’t think i’m good enough to do it and that id probably end up making it worse for myself by doing it and failing miserably

[faint depot]

Genuinely. If you go to nearly every single unis grade requirements for their computing courses, they never have computer science as one of their required A levels.

[faint depot]

Is that what you need to do A level maths? When I did my A levels, you only needed a 6 to do A level maths. 8 if you wanted to further maths

[tired lynx]

I think core maths is a 6, and then maths is a 7 with further maths being an 8

I’m just really stressing man I want a computer science based career and I feel like i need maths and that i’ve ruined stuff for myself

[faint depot]

Nah. Fucking ridiculous. Should be minimum a 6. Tbf, a lot of computing requires maths. Other route, do your A levels, smash them out and then apply for an apprenticeship course. Look out for ARM, Rolls Royce, JLR, Bentley, McLaren, IBM and a few other companies

They have software engineering degree apprenticeships. I think theyll be more lenient

[tired lynx]

Dude i am so stressed right now

Wait maybe a degree apprenticeship will lead me into the computer science scene without an A-level in maths?

[little obsidian]

Hi what is career after ai now

[little obsidian]

Hey bro today chatgpt can create full working saas application so no need any base to create career in cs

[near ocean]

Guess you should quit programming

[little obsidian]

And tomorrow cs itself may vanish

[little obsidian]

If a person doesn't believe ai will replace everything he's not an ai research don't you agree

Yes I'm an ai research person

[near ocean]

So why are you here then? What's your point

[little obsidian]

.

[near ocean]

You shouldnt be asking the people "that ai is going to replace", how would we know

[faint depot]

Absolutely it will but they are highly competitive. The other option, take the gamble, apply to those universities anyway. Worst case scenario, do a foundation year and then get onto your course

[little obsidian]

People today are dropping out of cs degree and doing online courses with projects what's this guy with ??

[faint depot]

Or, switch to A level Maths instead of computer science and work your fucking arse off in maths. Ask the teachers every single day for help and advice, stay behind school to work on your maths. If you in your heart want to be in computing, then you have to make the sacrifices and put the effort in

[tired lynx]

do i switch out electronics for maths?

[faint depot]

Nah. Keep electronics. Youll defo use a lot of maths in electronics so thatll help build your maths skills. Drop computer science for A level maths

[tired lynx]

Maybe drop IT then?

I can take 4 A-levels too if i really want too

[faint depot]

I think IT would probably be more beneficial than computer science. I know people who did computer science A levels and they said they were shit. Youre best off learning your programming in your spare time

[faint depot]

DO NOT do 4 A levels. Its not worth it

I know from experience. Too much fucking stress

[tired lynx]

but would it be worth it in the end?

[faint depot]

If youre talking about doing 4 A levels, nah. But if youre talking about in general with the A levels youre doing, up to you. One important you must understand is, if you feel like you don't want to do something anymore, its ok to quit and move onto something else.

[tired lynx]

I don’t know man i’m torn

What actually is the real difference in IT and Computer science

IT is like data analytics and stuff like that right?

[faint depot]

People say failure isnt an option. No, failure is an option. Its the most readily available option there is. But once you fail, you must find a way back up. Think what you did wrong and use that to come up with a different approach

[tired lynx]

I mean I can’t really take a different approach once i’ve done this

[little obsidian]

Even low level programming inside electrical engineering is math but people more advertise about cse being said everyone joined cs

[little obsidian]

You can use math with ur electronics , math is not standalone it's a bypart for other things use it as ur strength help people with ur projects

[faint depot]

Not really. When I was your age, I thought exactly like that. Thats what caused me to fail my A levels and put me on this shit path for next 6 years of my life. But, Ive not given up and Im trying to explore other options

[next plover]

as a cybersecurity research person i gladly accept your AI code

(free CVEs baby)

[little obsidian]

As a cybersecurity research you don't know ai today is not ai Tommorow

[next plover]

lol

[tired lynx]

I just wanna make the right choice man

IT and computer science is such a huge industry now

I don’t wanna get to it by the time it’s saturated and then i’m screwed and gotta live a miserable life

[little obsidian]

As an ai research we surely focus on all aspect then only take out the word yes security everyone knows everything will move forward

[next plover]

well what is the job market in your local area

[faint depot]

IT is usually a BTEC. From what I know, you learn the basics of networks, computing terminology. I think you also get into web development but no coding involved. Plus you do MS office I think. Computing shouldve been more about programming and learning about what computers but, the UK governmet are a bunch of old fashioned wankers who know nothing of the modern world so dont take CS alevel

[faint depot]

It already is saturated. Its your job to make sure you develop your skillset so you become someone of value and not some generic web dev/ software dev

[tired lynx]

Man i’m so torn idk

I need computer science for some local unis

[tired lynx]

no clue how to tell

i just wanna live a prosperous life with a decent job in computer science or IT

cost of living is so bad in england rn

[next plover]

its horrible everywhere in some way

[tired lynx]

i just want a good life that’s all i want

my parents had a really rough start but they’ve made it and now we have a really nice house and can afford to live and buy most amenities that we want

i need to live up to that standard and hopefully reach better

[sly ibex]

Yes it is BTEC. You do a web unit and you use bootstrap. However if you do know, you can use other front end frameworks to.

I wouldn't use bootstrap for a BTEC web unit assignment.

[sly ibex]

MS office is in BTEC level 2. In BTEC lvl 3 it's just MS access commonly.

[tired lynx]

how do you know this? can you advise me on topics?

[sly ibex]

I know this because I went to college and took a BTEC level 2 course after failing my GCSE. I got put into a BTEC level 2 Extended Certificate group, which is the highest groups of all. I done really well and got a Distinction-merit at the end of the course. I transitioned to level 3 BTEC first year and I failed GCSE again. Eventually I passed GCSE maths by re siting the November exam, but not English. At the end of my first year in BTEC level 3, I achieved distinctions/merits across assignments and exams.

Now im in my final year of BTEC level 3.

[tired lynx]

what’s your career like now and what are you doing?

[tired lynx]

ohhh okay

[sly ibex]

Im entering for my final year of college and 2nd year of BTEC Level 3. In the course we have cybersecurity and incidents which is unit 11, then website unit as well and a few more.

[sly ibex]

Now i have a comprehensive programming background, this is due to me self studying from home. Outside of college hours.

[tired lynx]

I plan to do that. and have been doing that hence why i’m here

what do you plan to do after college?

[sly ibex]

I dont know. Its either do a Computer Science degree or a degree apprenticeship or take a gap year.

[dusk halo]

Hello

[tired lynx]

so you can do a computer science degree without A-level maths?

that would be really good for me to know

[sly ibex]

Im waiting for my results. Haven't recieve my UCAS points yet nor do i know. You need certain amount of points to be put into a CS degree 1st year otherwise you be put into a foundation diploma year.

[tired lynx]

I’m not really familiar with UCAS points/diploma or degree definitions yet

[sly ibex]

I think so, but its best to speak to someone when you are applying for a course at UNI or someone who has been through this system.

[tired lynx]

But; what you’re saying is, I still have the chance to take a computer science course once i leave college

[sly ibex]

But most of them i dont see them listing A level maths. Just grade 4/c above

[tired lynx]

okay i see, i haven’t even started college yet so just trying to set myself up for the future

[sly ibex]

Yes you do, as long as you pass maths/english then you should be good to go.

[tired lynx]

Okay thank you that’s really reassuring

Hope you do well man I appreciate the chat

[sly ibex]

Doing that will put you ahead of the curve. Self studying at home with a appropriate path of learning. I was home educated so ik how it works.

[tired lynx]

ahhh okay i see

you got any suggestions for it and how to go about it?

[sly ibex]

Yes. I started by learning python, I learnt all the basics. Arrays, dictionaries, classes, loops etc. I created small and minimal projects just so that I can get a feel of the language and understand how stuff works around it. As i move on, I got exposed to pygame. So i practice building small projects with pygame, basically beginner tier. Like collisions, loops, scoreboard etc. I grasp these skills through a book called Python crash course By Eric Mathews. Its really good book and I highly recommend for people to get it, if they are new to programming.

[tired lynx]

I’m currently making gui with PySide6 which is awesome

[sly ibex]

After practicing enough with pygame, i felt confident. So I decided to build a game with pygame. I called the game spaceinvadersx. @tired lynx Had to use some external tools and do a bit more research because the crash course book didnt taught me enough about pygame. What i mean, is that Im missing how to manage audio and assets.

[tired lynx]

What was the game about?

[sly ibex]

I can send you the game if you want

[tired lynx]

Sure dude, is it in a github?

[sly ibex]

No. I dont post my projects on github. I like to keep them private.

[tired lynx]

Ahh makes sense

[sly ibex]

look in DM

[wary patrol]

alright here you guys can idk give some feedback:
https://github.com/AkitooSama

[hearty island]

@white relic , soc gen continuing to play hide the cucumber

[mystic kiln]

How long would it take for a beginner to get to where you are at with Python?

[sly ibex]

It depends on how you learn and how your mind grasp certain topics. For me it took a month to learn Python around 30 - 35 days. Once you learn Python other languages become easy. After Python I learnt c# which took me 28 days minimum

Its been a year since I learnt Python.

[mystic kiln]

How many hours per week were you putting in? And where should I go to learn Python in the best way possible?

[long solar]

Is there any point in applying to a job that was posted over 3 weeks ago

[sly ibex]

If I can remember. I was putting in 4 - 5 hours every day I think or sometimes even more.

The way I learnt Python is from a book called: Python crash course by Eric Mathew's. By no starch press. You can find this book on amazon.

Others learn Python via documentation or by watching a video on YouTube.

Overall it depends on what type of learner you are. Can you learn from books and reading? Can you learn from watching a Python course video?

[gusty thicket]

wat harm is there in trying (just saying as a uni student)

[long solar]

Wasted time

[mystic kiln]

I plan on watching Bro Code’s 12 hour long video and then I plan on watching others for the background knowledge

[sly ibex]

If that approach helps you, then go for it. If it doesnt find another way.

[gusty thicket]

welp u already have ur answer ig (seems like u made up ur mind )

[gusty thicket]

do u do leetcode?

[long solar]

I named wasted time as a potential downside, not a certain one, that's why I asked here

[sly ibex]

I haven't started leetcode yet.

[gusty thicket]

ah i wanted to know the maths needed for it ~_~ (i suck at maths)

[sly ibex]

Ah lol.

[wraith harbor]

i think to be optimal you should sort by last 24hrs/3 days. theres still a chance of getting an interview from an older post but its less likely

[long solar]

moonlight uh spotlight uh

[deft sail]

how long before graduating college do i need to start cold applying for jobs if i want a SE1 position after graduation?

[hearty island]

i did not do swe, but i started applying in july of my junior yr for a full time job. ended up getting a fte job in june of 2024.

[long solar]

wtf 4 thousand applications for 30 interviews? is there something wrong with your resume?

[hearty island]

idk man times were rough back then

[long solar]

You manually clicked apply 4 thousand times?

[hearty island]

ye

[deft sail]

did u have internships

[hearty island]

6, yes.

[deft sail]

whhatttt oh im so cooked

[long solar]

what was the acceptance rate of your school if you dont mind me asking? Mine is like 87% so

[hearty island]

i went to hofstra

[deft sail]

if he has 6 internships and took 4000 applications i should switch majors lmao

[long solar]

I have 0 and one contract based thingy through my school that I like to call an internship

[hearty island]

i was not a cs major - business analytics

[long solar]

Oh phew

[deft sail]

oh thank god

[hearty island]

ha

[gusty thicket]

wats the fun part of ur job/

[hearty island]

i made some very pretty slides and dashboards

[gusty thicket]

ooo ur that guy from every buisness meeting in any movie who throws gang signs while showing a ppt ( thats some nice job fr) [meant it as a joke]

[hearty island]

basically

[gusty thicket]

investment banking firms or someother?

[hearty island]

i work for an SEC adjacent firm

[long solar]

I work with the sec api a lot, made a whole website around it

[gusty thicket]

wait a min wat r u doing here then , did u switch jobs or python is a hobby?

[hearty island]

internal consultant

[gusty thicket]

explain to my small brain pls?

[hearty island]

if i knew i wld tell you too. it's just bullshit

[gusty thicket]

lol

[mystic kiln]

Should I do leetcode if I want to work on rockets or chip design?

[peak halo]

Leetcode is way overrated and the questions are not at all similar to what people actually code "in real life".

You might get asked a leetcode style question during an interview. It shouldn't be difficult if you did well in a DSA course/module

[hybrid glade]

Hey yall any advice how to land a job, or anyone hiring lol

[peak halo]

You can't ask for jobs here.

As for getting job hunting advice, why don't you share your resume as it stands (with redactions as needed)

[errant vapor]

Hellooo

@peak halo

[peak halo]

Yes? It's rude to ping people if you don't have a complete message for them to respond to.

[errant vapor]

Lol where are the rules? Just pinged as you are active and said hi 👋 my first message

On this server

[peak halo]

It's just common sense pinging etiquette. You wouldn't call someone and then immediately put the m on hold until you decide why you're calling them.

[gaunt rain]

guys, i can attend an interview to a company from 9-11 july
they're gonna put me in an aptitude round first
then a technical round
then a hr round
im not that familiar with aptitude for a while
should i go and attend today and get it by luck before others?
or attend it tmrw after learning smth?
(its for a software dev trainee role)

[long solar]

lucky

[lilac sundial]

Eother pick c sharp or java and stick to one

[frosty axle]

yes it is worth man!

[mystic kiln]

What does aptitude round even mean?

[gaunt rain]

its just a bunch of some simple math and logical reasoning questions, but sometimes given in the most obscure manner
its like leetcode questions but maths, and logical reasong stuff

that is mostly used to eliminate/filter out a bunch of people at once

[mystic kiln]

So kinda like an iq test?

[peak geyser]

IQ tests measure general logical reasoning — how well your brain handles patterns, logic, and abstract thinking, regardless of the situation. Aptitude tests, on the other hand, also use logical reasoning, but it's usually focused on a specific task or domain

[gaunt rain]

yep kinda

[white relic]

Please don't copy and paste answers from AIs here. It's in the #rules

[rocky vortex]

how u know it AI

what if this dude just smart

[somber vault]

script responses

[white relic]

emdash

actually just writing style tbh

the emdash clinches it though

AI responses have a bunch of tells. They aren't usually hard to spot.

Unless I just don't spot the good ones...

[hearty island]

@white relic got the final offer in workday

[rocky vortex]

this right here

[white relic]

if someone posts an AI answer that's constructive and helpful and nobody realizes it wasn't a human, I'm not going to lose sleep over it

but people come here to talk to other people

[proud glacier]

I like using the em dash 🥲

[kind lodge]

python or c++ bruhh so confusing for me to decide

competitive programming cuz TLE occur so much for higher problems(2000+) and i can't decide

[wise jackal]

What r u gonna be doing

[kind lodge]

ICSO if i make it to the team and get selected

[errant vapor]

Hello guys

Is it possible solve a linear eqn in 1 variable by python?..

[near ocean]

that is not a careers related question

[errant vapor]

Ohh wrong chat lol

[idle grove]

Hey everyone !!
I am applying for SDE Interns and they need basic scalability and system design knowledge , any quick resource on these?

[wise jackal]

C++

Unless you know for a fact you’re good with python C++

[neat pecan]

Hi guys, Im gonna study software engenieering and I wanted some advices, like it is a good choice?

[slim coral]

Hello any tips how to grow my X account i post about Python

[kind lodge]

python + c++ my adhd wont let me

[silent carbon]

I know the answer varies but asking anyways,
if someone commited 40-50 hours a week learning practising python, how long would it take (in general) to be at the stage with an actual good portfolio and a good chance at getting a job?

[smoky quest]

It depends on the roles you want to target.
Rule of thumb is it takes 4-5 years for a student to graduate

If you target lower roles (which have also lower pay), then less time can be required

[smoky quest]

Note that in terms of career, a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[silent carbon]

Yes, and if you decided to self learn how long would it take?

[white relic]

jobs don't really work that way.
if you have a degree, a project portfolio, and a good resume that showcases your skills, it might still take you 6 months to find a job.
if you don't have a degree, you could still get a job, by applying in locations other people don't want to work, having a lower pay threshold, getting lucky. But it will take longer, because you're not going to be considered for many positions that will look first for the degree.

[deft herald]

i'd say a good 90-95% of job openings out there have a hard requirement on some kind of degree

[white relic]

It's not impossible you could get lucky and get an offer from the first company you apply to. But it's unlikely, even if you have the degree and the portfolio, and it's less likely if you don't.

[silent carbon]

some people say degree, then other people who are software engineers say the opposite. Hard to determine.

[white relic]

I've never met an engineer of any stripe that didn't recommend the degree.

YouTube personalities who shape their public image around the idea that they are engineers, sure.

even self taught people generally don't recommend the self taught path.

[smoky quest]

#career-advice message

[smoky quest]

It's like saying you want to work in a hospital.
Both the janitor and the brain surgeon will work in the same hospital. They also have different requirements on the degrees. But they will have a different career path, opportunities and compensation

[meager sigil]

there are million of people like us learning python and all this stuff, means competition will be high in future, so degree matter and strong portfolio and creativity.

[north sail]

Got an interview with a PE investment firm soon for an AP position, any advice? I have Python and SQL in my resume and I think they were somewhat interested in that along with my database coursework, not sure if there’s anything specific I should talk about or mention if it comes up? Ik that you can use it with Pandas to get rid of duplicate payments quite easily and I’m guessing they might mention it, a lot of places typically mention that as an issue when they interview me

[fringe sphinx]

The proper response to any technical question is to start with process, not a solution

[fringe sphinx]

Clarify the requirements, state any assumptions, show how you'd approach the problem, etc. for example, removing duplicates: how do you know some data is truly duplicate? What's the side affect or any downstream impacts, etc

[north sail]

Ah alright that would make sense! I will work through some practice data tonight or tomorrow morning and think about how to word this, thank you for highlighting explaining a problemsolving system of thinking toward the issue c:

[fringe sphinx]

Also: prepare for the easy questions. Who are you? Why are you interested in this job? Why did you major in CS? What was your favorite class? Tell me about a project you worked on? Etc

[next plover]

"What does this company do?"

ive gotten that one at all of my interviews

it would be so awkward to fail that question

[white relic]

I remember one candidate who was clearly googling the company in the call

he was not hired.

[open ivy]

Lol that is silly. It also shows how the modern world makes it very hard to maintain discipline and do simple preparations. When there isn't positive encouragement and there is plenty of distraction it is hard to stay focused.

[white relic]

quite so.

[open ivy]

On the other hand, there are people who do everything right and it still fails. It is that competitive, in a pool of 200 applications, being "only" top 10% does not cut it.

[hearty island]

https://tenor.com/view/writing-fire-writing-on-fire-writing-water-fire-writing-water-writing-gif-7366435479761399531 damian signing the cboe offer letter

[open ivy]

For 200 applicants, to have a 1% chance of getting the job, you need to be the top 2 or 3% or hope there is enough randomness in the metric to get lucky.

For 1000 applicants, you hit 1% chance at top 0.5% or so.

[white relic]

I'm super happy for you! Congrats!

[hearty island]

thanks man ❤️

[mystic kiln]

Why is it that competitive? Is it because there are too many people in the field?

[near ocean]

its a great career choice, high pay, flexible work hours, remote work sometimes, etc

[north sail]

Um im an Accounting Major with an MIS Minor

[fringe sphinx]

Whatever, why did you choose that major? Why are you interested in this job? etc.

In other words, practice the easy questions. That's half of most interviews.

[vapid violet]

I got my first job this summer at a grocery store doing normal stocking of shelves. I am trying to get internships for next summer (and was told some start recruiting in august). I am currently going into my second year of college for computer science, but am about one year ahead in terms of credits. Is that job something that I should put on my resume even though it is not related to my goals other than showing responsibility and such? It would probably have to replace a project as I dont have any extra space on my resume. Also apparently we had a very good fiscal quarter as a store. Is including some of the stats such as increased revenue, customers, and average spending beneficial? Or because I can not really link those numbers to myself they are "meaningless".

[gritty rivet]

It's hard to give advice about a resume we aren't looking at, but in general any work history is better than none at all. Feel free to share an anonymized page image

[white relic]

Yes to putting it on, no to stats.
I wouldn't replace a project, though. You shouldn't be having trouble fitting your résumé on one page as a sophomore CS student, that probably means it's either too verbose or not well organized

[vapid violet]

Ok, will post my resume in a second

[hearty island]

resume i used to bag CBOE

three roles, with a lot more focus on the most recent role

[hearty island]

you use “use” way too much. gotta be better more action oriented verbs than that

[hallow saddle]

Hey everyone 👋,

I’m Samir (https://www.linkedin.com/in/samirmusali), Software Engineer with 8+ yrs of experience @ startups ranging from the ones in ideation phase to the ones in Series C with 220+ employees in Backend, DevOps, Developer Experiences, Productivity, Tooling, and SRE, based in the Bay Area. Happy to be here!

Currently, working with Python stack (FastAPI, Flask, Django, Postgres, GCP), but have experience with Node.js stack, Golang, Ruby, OSS contributions, Terraform/Ansible, AWS, CI/CD, and Docker/K8s.

Looking to connect with like-minded individuals, eager to contribute to the Open-Source projects, and open to remote contract/full-time opportunities!

[hearty island]

https://www.careereducation.columbia.edu/resources/200-action-verbs-spice-your-resume

[vapid violet]

Thanks

[open ivy]

It's a counterintuitive result in statistics where the chance of someone with a given skill level winning at a skills-based competition drops off exponentially instead of proportionally. Meaning that at 500 applicants the odds are much lower than 10 times whatever they were at 50 applications.

In reality, it isn't quite that clean, as there is randomness. But still the odds can get very, very low with large numbers of applicants.

[teal heath]

What are the basic of python that must focus on ?

[open ivy]

Good enough technical. Good enough social. Try to chart a course that is fun enough to keep going.

[teal heath]

Wdym by that?

[pine sleet]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[pine sleet]

go through a tutorial, then make a couple of projects. how much is "enough" depends on your goals

[neon wagon]

https://youtu.be/u3UFJrmjnrs