career-advice

[pine sleet]

sure, couldn't hurt

[vapid jay]

Thanks, the path is really long, 😂 just started html and css hoping to become a cyber security specialist by next year

[upper dagger]

Guys I wanna be a developer/engineer for my career and I need some tips for python coding

I know this much ;-;

[lost blaze]

whats ur age

start reading python docs, or with a free course on youtube

[wraith harbor]

im starting to enjoy interviews...stockholm syndrome?

[formal rose]

So on my website I run a honeypot just to mess with the skript kiddies and bots but recently someone tried to find access points with a sql map tool and it was quite satisfying to see it fail but atp I’ve collected over 1000 ips

[vapid jay]

hi

anyone here?

[mental bluff]

Hallo

[white relic]

People come and go. If you have a question about job hunting or want career advice, feel free to ask and you may get answers when people check the channel.

[white relic]

^ this was meant as a reply

[hearty island]

rejected from deutsche bank even after they claimed interest and that a recruiter would reach out. strange.

[white relic]

It could be worth it to message back and ask "hey wtf" (perhaps slightly more tactfully than that)

[hearty island]

true true

[white relic]

things get mixed up sometimes

[empty fox]

how is this wrong bro

can someone help im tweaking out

[white relic]

This channel is for career advice and discussion

You can post images in #1035199133436354600 if you create a thread there

[hearty island]

i need some advice
i think i should call the soc gen recruiter 'cuz i'll be in office on tuesday and wednesday
thursday is off 'cuz juneteenth
or wait till friday
the 2nd round was last thursday

but what do y'all think

[jovial solstice]

why do you need to call them ?

[rapid holly]

Yo does anyone know what they mean by "at least 2 years of experience in x" in job descriptions

[jovial solstice]

they mean at least 2 years of experience in x

like, having worked in x for at least 2 years

[rapid holly]

So if I'm using x in my personal projects for 2 years that means I have 2 years of work experience in x?

[jovial solstice]

I would say so, other people would not

[rapid holly]

Damn...

[jovial solstice]

That's how to show it to the recruiter which is important

[vast shoal]

"work experience" means working in a professional environment with the technology

[jovial solstice]

but don't fear applying to this kind of job offer

[vast shoal]

That's almost certainly what they mean when they say it. Doesn't mean it's necessarily a hardline requirement.

[jovial solstice]

easyu didn't asked for "work experience" but only "experience"

[rapid holly]

Nah it was work experience mb :/
I mean I basically see both mentioned

[jovial solstice]

of course work is implied, but if you work on that by yourself, it's not so bad

[rapid holly]

Ye exactly how am I supposed to have a job with no work experience 😭

[jovial solstice]

if you have no professional experience, it might be harder to lend the job. if you have like 1 year of work xp in the field and 1 year of personal xp, you can apply

[rapid holly]

Or anyone tbh

[jovial solstice]

sometimes there are job offers for people without work xp

entry roles

[rapid holly]

They don't pay well....

[jovial solstice]

of course, they are entry roles....

they don't pay well because you are not good, you don't have experience

[rapid holly]

Experience of collaborating with others? Bullshitting in teams office politics? Git merge this plz

[jovial solstice]

but tbh people usually advice me to apply for roles even if they require 2 or 3 years of xp

[jovial solstice]

of working

[rapid holly]

If i make smth using python does that mean I'm working?

[jovial solstice]

are you paid for that ?

[rapid holly]

No... Doin it for fun

[jovial solstice]

that's not professional experience

[rapid holly]

Right I just suck 😭

[jovial solstice]

that's not bad, but that's not professional experience

if you have 2 years of experience it means you start becoming good at the job. Bc you did it for at least 2 years, full time

if you do it on your own, as personal projects, it wouldn't be full time, nor there is no guarantee you actually worked

[rapid holly]

Wb the nerds who make these oss for free

[rapid holly]

Which is being used by hella ppl

[jovial solstice]

and also the collaborative thing is important

[rapid holly]

Is that a professional experience?

[jovial solstice]

can be, at least it's a proof you know how to work in a collaborative way

[rapid holly]

Is that you?

[jovial solstice]

it is always subjective, at the end the chosen words are not important, the important things is how you show you work to recruiters and explain

[regal tide]

I mean yeah, what can you expect from the python community 🤣

[jovial solstice]

proving it is actually valuable experience and you are able to do it again. if it's what the company want, it doesn"t matter what is the context

[jovial solstice]

Sorry ? is this related to anything we said or is just a weird way to say "I don't agree with this flag" ?

[peak halo]

there's no point discussing this any further.
@regal tide If you have an issue with the pride branding, you'll need to keep that to yourself, or voice your complaint via @severe widget.

(they left on their own)

[white relic]

juneteenth ? in France?

[hearty island]

well it's in the US so idk

[hearty island]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/societe-generale_juneteenth2021-diversityandinclusion-sgamericas-activity-6811660264535035904-hktt/ i'm assuming they do celebrate it

[long solar]

Do you guys just use a template for your cover letter and fill it in for each job

[deft herald]

i never use cover letters to begin with

[hearty island]

i use cover letters

[hearty island]

my only concern is that if i don't call then i don't hear back

[long solar]

Yeah but, do you use a template and fill it in

[hearty island]

yes, my school offers something called hiration.

[long solar]

My school uses vmock but it's only for resumes, don't think they have cover letters

But good to know it's not just me using a letter template

[white relic]

so call them

[hearty island]

yea i called, no answer. welp. gonna hang out and if they reject me, so be it.

[white relic]

the rejection collection

somebody should make a song

You still have several live leads though

(Right?)

[hearty island]

lololol. yea i have several

[real trail]

Hey me

[hearty island]

what

[real trail]

Can I talk to you in dm

[hearty island]

no?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-turning-head-confused-cat-rizalalthur-orange-cat-behavior-gif-10491959385063137392

[real trail]

I just wanna ask if you have a server about Hacking

[real trail]

Hum

[deft herald]

This is not the place

[real trail]

So should I dm you 🙏

[deft herald]

No. But feel free to ask your questions in #python-discussion or #1035199133436354600

[wanton smelt]

hii

[vapid jay]

Let me speak

[white relic]

This channel is for career advice and discussion.
Y'all may feel free to post questions and comments in here as long as it has to do with jobs, resumes, university applications, that kind of thing

[mystic surge]

hey guys! I'd like some advice on where to start in my career. I have 0 experience but I'm trying to teach myself coding. my end goal is to become a pentester, because that seems super super interesting to me! what advice would you guys give to someone like me? where should I start? what can I do to stick out amongst other more experienced applicants?

[pine sleet]

baseline should be to get a degree in computer science or cybersecurity or similar. #cybersecurity pinned messages should have some resources for you in the meantime

[mystic surge]

okay, thank you! I've read that in this field it's becoming more common to be able to get into this career path without a degree. what's your thoughts on that?

[delicate swift]

That albeit not impossible, it's significantly harder than you would with a degree

There are a lot more hoops to jump if you don't have formal education, unfortunately

[mystic surge]

alright. in that case would an associates/bachelors degree be good? or would I have to go for something like my masters

[jovial solstice]

it depends where you live, where you want to apply

and what is taught during the bachelor's

[white relic]

If anything it's becoming harder to break in to any technical field without a degree.

Cybersec might be a bit behind the general trend

[hearty island]

why did a firm just make me sign an MNDA for an interview 🤣

[balmy spade]

I would imagine that the document you signed contained, explicitly, what you could not disclose.

[hearty island]

it did not

[smoky quest]

talking to them, you should be able to get the vibe:

• Are they overly protective of their ideas?
• Are they overly protective of future announcements that might impact their stock?
• Are they overly protective of their interview process? (ex: leaking interview questions)

[hearty island]

gotcha

[balmy spade]

Well that sound pointless. Are you just supposed to guess at what they can now enforce against you?

[astral fable]

my subjects for grade 11/year 12 are Standard Maths, Computer Science, Buisness Studies, and Accountancy. Can I pursue a professional degree in cs and AI with maths withhout science?

[deft herald]

No. Any Bachelor of Science degree will require some core science courses

[open ivy]

Are you asking "can you learn it so you are able to work" or "can you convince humans to pay you"? Because one skill is about machines and the other is largely about animals, which are very different from machines.

[feral stone]

What do I do if I am still a comp sci student who has novice level programming knowledge but knows how to get around and knows more of OPS/IT, yet I am employed currently as an application/intigration engineer. I think I oversold myself. I can design an app (anyone can) but when it comes to coding shit, I don’t have a lot of experience in best practices. (I used flask over fastapi once, to give you a sense)

Work knows where I am in my degree stages too, but I built some apps, but they were with help of A.I (it made the structure, I edited, sometimes it did 80% of the work, but I know how the app works, I don’t think I’m vibe coding, and I hope I’m not).

I don’t know where I am and I don’t think I deserve to be where I am….

[open ivy]

It's not just about tech. If you have good social skills, that is valuable in and of itself as they like how you make others feel better.

It your work is fairly straightforward tech stuff you can learn it over time and don't forget to ask for help!

You also probably are not paid that much, as an intern, which is fair while you are still learning. If you stay a few years then it's fair to be paid a full time salary.

[feral stone]

I make around 70K, and they employed me full time, exempt

Idk if this adds any context

[wraith harbor]

you have a great opportunity on your hands, they know you're not done with your degree so they should expect you to be jr level. don't worry about whether or not you deserve it, just maximize the opportunity to the best of your ability by working hard and learning as much as you can.

[feral stone]

^ I really don’t know why I didn’t see it this way

But thank you guys, means alot

[true harness]

if you're a student, that's honestly quite good. if you've been hired, you have been judged to be hireable by people with a lot more experience than you. you can probably trust their judgement more than your own

[feral stone]

^this puts me at ease a little

[smoky quest]

note it's normal to feel overwhelmed. It's a new world with tons of new information.
Just give yourself some time and continue to work hard. It will be fine

[wanton birch]

Any of you got any recent successes with your job hunt?

[fringe sphinx]

You sound normal. The worst are people who think they know everything.

[open ivy]

I was thinking that a minimum wage hike, if strong enough, will spur automation which means demand for workers to design and program the food robots.

[peak halo]

I'm not sure it's that simple. order and payment processing (taking fast food orders, grocery check-out) is already largely automated or externalized ("order in the app, pick up at the counter", self check-out). McDonalds developed AI drive thru order taking, but shelved it because franchisees didn't want to pay for it. Tasks like stocking shelves at grocery stores would require robotics and a reimagining of store layout, and retailers might not want to shell out that R&D cost when there's a risk that customers won't like the store layout.

[open ivy]

So you are saying we are in a plateau? Where there aren't many automation tasks that are near enough for a min wage hike or other stimulus to make companies take the plunge?

This reminds me of the particle physics desert.

[chilly radish]

hi = "hi"
print(hi)

[lilac yoke]

I wouldn’t give in to the imposter syndrome there, there’s a large learning curve. Focus on being better and knowing more than you did the last day, if something is complicated spend time figuring out how it works. At the companies I’ve worked at, my first week or two I would pretty much work 12+ hour days, where after the work day I just studied the architecture or dove into parts of the codebase.

On the other hand, if you feel that coding isn’t your passion and you want to pursue something else: project management or product management sounds like a good area for you

[rotund kindle]

Hey I can help,let's discuss

[feral stone]

It is my passion, I’m just way better at the DevOps/IT side of things, that’s always been my talent to be honest

[lilac yoke]

Maybe you should pursue becoming an SRE instead then

Stressful position but irreplaceable

[feral stone]

I was thinking DevOps Engineer, regardless, still need to code decently

[fringe sphinx]

There's a few nice ways to level up. Getting comfortable with reading new code bases is great practice: pick some library you're importing and go read / understand their repo.

[lilac yoke]

I was curious what the difference between a dev ops engineer and software engineer is:

I use all of these as a software engineer, and so does everyone else at the company…

[fringe sphinx]

some devops folks are more like relabelled sysadmins, and others are swe's who do a lot of automation work.

[lilac yoke]

I don’t think that’s a real position imo, shoot for SRE which has a clear domain

[harsh river]

it's a real position.

[fringe sphinx]

for us, we all do a little devops work, there's no explicit devops role, altho we're small.

[harsh river]

how big is your company?

you'll generally see devops at larger companies where it's simply faster to have a dedicated devops engineer

we're i work all of us do a little devops, but we're a tiny team

[fringe sphinx]

The downside is the senior engineers end up doing a lot of devops, which isn't necessarily great use of their time. ALtho sometimes it is.

[lilac yoke]

It’s smaller than say Amazon but it’s a large company. SREs do the majority of infra setup and analytics but as a software engineer it’s bare minimum to understand and work with them.

My position is also considered a systems engineer role, so I’m closer to infra

[feral stone]

The company I work for is pretty big, around 10k employees. And I spoke with the director of IT, there will be DevOps Eng. positions soon

[lilac sundial]

.

[left copper]

Hi

[buoyant seal]

devops engineer vs software engineer.
I am having both roles in some proportions

• Commonly software dev are barely able surprisingly to wield docker. some are better than others, but if smth goes too much wrong with it, it can be task given to infra devs.
• Infra devs majority of a time having time allocated to infra code shenanigans with terraform/aws/kubernetes etc. Literally becoming expert in those roes. Regular devs do not interact directly with this stuff at all and usually not being able of help at all
• Infra devs are commonly having access to cloud platforms and they regulate it, that only read only/manage operations were done with it, everything is configured via infra code and managed in git code otherwise. So it is kind of mindset how the things are done, so that infra actions were actually scalable across organization
• Some maintanance of Github Actions/CI across organization, organizing it properly with reusability/being written at all? Again infra devs being asked. Chances that some dev knows how to interact with it exist, and they could be solving some stuff on their own, but plenty of normal devs could give up easily and to not posses knowledge how to make things done.
• Monitoring tools... Infra dev could be having duties of setting it up from zero, maintaing, both infra part and client part, and it could be consuming his entire allocated time as he tried to make it a bit more performant and stable running. Regular devs usually configures client side only at most

The essential difference here that devops engineer is just having overwhelming amount of allocated time, 90%+ of it, allocated to solving infra related problems, maintaining it, researching how yet another thing to run, how to run it in more money efficient way and save yet another thousands dollars, how to run it more stable, how to automate annoying existing manual thing, how to repair broken stuff

[left copper]

Hello

[buoyant seal]

For natural reasons of spending too much time on it, infra devs are usually the most comfortable ones to interact with the made infra stuff
So if some problem goes related to infra, they will be asked of course.

Software devs duties in our company end at the parts

• they tried to solve it, but their infra skills were not up to the task to another challenge and they next expert input
• those are crashes related to infra running and not software bug, so infra dev is asked to take care of it
• those are problems in the domain/access/familiarity of infra devs in general, and regular devs for some reason can't bother themselves with it or just lacking necessary acceses to this corner of infrastructure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aV7QuD6CCs i like this song, i think it is about devops engineer 😄 🎶 Call Me Beep Me 🎶

[buoyant seal]

Funny note: Originally i was a regular Backend developer in the company that did not have Devops engineer. I learned on my own infra related tooling... and from that things spiraled into which next job role i have.

[hasty lance]

will python get good income as a freelancer?

or do you suggest another language

[near ocean]

Freelancing without a huge network and connections doesnt pay, regardless of language

[hasty lance]

oh

any advice?

[near ocean]

Don't go into freelancing/consulting without significant experience and contacts

[peak halo]

@hasty lance freelancing has a higher barrier to entry than getting regular jobs with a company. It entails running your own business and having extensive knowledge about the economy as it pertains to the kind of service you're offering.

[hasty lance]

does that mean i need a degree or years of learning

i'm 15 so idk how to start

[peak halo]

You should probably plan to get a degree

[hasty lance]

ofc im planing to i just want to get into freelancing

[gaunt rain]

guys, lets say i have done some projects along with some of my friends, and i have to put it in my resume
do i have to mention that its a team project along with the team size?

also, do i have to tell what role i've done in it? how do i mention that in such a short phrase?

[fervent grove]

a github repo would be THE thing imo, you see who contributed and who did which parts, additionally u can say u lead the project etc

[gaunt rain]

actually, nobody did anything in that project, except me
so im thinking, should i even put that its a team work or not

[fervent grove]

about what kind of project we speaking, will ur friends claim they did something or not?
If it was just homework then leave it out entirely

i can tell you this that rarely someone will check ur github repo if u link it, and if they do and find only forked repos or 1 file projects they are like "hell nah, for what did he even included that"

[gaunt rain]

it was a project for the clg semester
and yes, my friends will indeed put that they are a part of that project in their resumes too

[gaunt rain]

i haven't linked the github repo in the first place
at this point, do i need to?

[fervent grove]

if its indeed just a super small one, i suggest to leave it out and just included it in ur cover letter briefly

[fervent grove]

one advice in general, if you just did the scope of the clg semester this is not noteworthy as u just did the bare minimum.
But if you do projects ontop of that like a cool science project or even automation of ur private tasks thats noteworthy

[fringe sphinx]

Generally yes, listing school projects is fine. Lots of people put group projects on resumes.

Just remember that the main purpose is to give the interviewer something to ask about, I hate when ppl list projects and then aren't prepared to answer questions about them.

[fervent grove]

@fringe sphinx u work in HR? I find it funny how difficult the approaches are from HR and the oraganization

[white relic]

Strong disagree. School projects are totally fine as long as you did them and can talk about them

[fringe sphinx]

No, but I work for small companies now, and HR doesn't really mean anything here.

[fervent grove]

wild my experience is the complete opposite of what you two suggest. I mean i suggest to put it in the coverletter but not the CV as its not a real project rather mandatory for the degree itself.

But ok if thats the only project one has to put in there this might be suitable as its otherwise pretty empty indeed.

[white relic]

What experience leads you to believe that class assigned projects are not considered real?

[fervent grove]

just what i stated above they are real for sure but not relevant enough as they are mandatory and everyone has to do them otherwise they wont graduate, therefore redundant.

And from my point of view in an interview apart from getting to know each other one wants to find comitted ppl to work with

[fringe sphinx]

You go to interviews with the resume you've got, not the resume you want.

[fervent grove]

I think these are details that everyone has to decide for themselves, it's okay if you have different opinions.
I care less for mandatory tasks (e.g. homework) and more for real passion on topics.

[white relic]

If I didn't finish my work assignments, I'd not have a job. I guess that means none of my professional experience counts for anything, because it was all mandatory.

[fervent grove]

good one 😄

[fringe sphinx]

Sure, but surely you'd agree that if it's all you got, list them?

[fervent grove]

yes

[fringe sphinx]

Ok, then we agree 🙂

[fervent grove]

🤝

I think there are also different social demands involved in this. (EU != US ig?)

[fringe sphinx]

I think it significantly differs more on the type of company

[last moat]

i am good with python. i passed data science asessment last night based on problem solving. but i dont know much about AI and ML. i have screening interview tommorow. what should i prepare? i mean in just few hours, what AI,ML concepts i should prepare from scratch?

[fringe sphinx]

You can't learn enough to be competent in a few hours. You can learn how to deflect questions by acknowledging: I haven't worked in this area, etc.

[fervent grove]

what job is the interview for?

[last moat]

data science intern

[fervent grove]

for an intern positions its ok to do as @fringe sphinx stated, but general concepts would be suitable to know briefly

[fringe sphinx]

A better use of last minute studying is usually preparing answers to the basic questions: who are you? Why are you studying CS? Tell me about yourself. Why do you want this position? Where do you see yourself in 5 years?

[last moat]

is there any crash course on youtube?

i somehow passed asessment. i selected random answers to ai ML MCQs. they selected me based on culture add and problem solving answers

[fervent grove]

i dont know any out of my mind but i would suggest to not try binge learning a complex topic from scratch in a couple of hours, this prob is only the first interview or 2-3, if so you are better of to learn/prepare the basic answers and study topic for technical interview later on.

[last moat]

ok thanks. i'll ask for 2 days time for technical interview. tommorow morning is screening interview. I am searching youtube for genral DS crash course.

[fervent grove]

i think for internship a basic understanding is sufficient, maybe use GPT to get simple summaries:
"

1. Model A model is a mathematical representation or function that tries to capture patterns in data.
2. Dataset A dataset is a collection of data points used for training and evaluating models.
3. Features Features are individual measurable properties or characteristics of the data (like columns in a table).
   ...
   "

[last moat]

this one looks great. covering important topics within 2 hours

[fervent grove]

but cross check what GPT gives you, there is nothing more embarrassing than shining in a technical interview with half-knowledge or incorrect information.

[kindred oyster]

colleges are scams , they take 2 years to teach the thing that can be taught in 2 hours

[last moat]

yep. i skipped this course. because he went straight to something complex without any beginning or basics.

i think i am not right choice for internship yet. need to learn more for few months

[kindred oyster]

.....it was sarcasm , you cant learn DS in two hours if you have no idea about it.

and just like every course you take , there are prerequisites for it. you need to make sure that you have learned those prereqs so you understand what the professor teaches

like , you cant learn multiplication if you dont know addition

[last moat]

i know it was sarcasm lol.

my math is weak i got D grades in all math subjects

[kindred oyster]

....and you want to do DS ? oof

for any data science , AI ML , analyst , you need good math

[last moat]

i have some udemy math courses. need to learn math from beginning i guess. lets see how interview goes ;_;

[swift tinsel]

Wsp guys
Ive got an upcoming school project (my Maturaarbeit), and I also want to include it in my Stanford application. I want to build something with LLMs, but Im still not sure on the topic. Im thinking either:
• something law-related (like legal text analysis or chatbot)
• or an educational/exam-solving assistant (for math, science, etc.)
Any ideas or recommendations?

[old quest]

Which is that software development role in which there is more guarantee for a job
I mean ones with lesser competition

I know there is no guarantee for anything. But asking for something that has relatively low competition

[gaunt rain]

ig the ones with low salary

idk any of such positions tho

[old quest]

I was asking for software development positions in general. Not talking about salaries

For example positions like web development mainly frontend development feels much more saturated than something like devops

[near ocean]

Web development has a lower barrier to entry, a lot of the material is available online for free and it's also much simpler to get projects going

That also means there are a lot more people trying to get into it though
The jobs with less competition are the ones that require expertise in the tools and the domain and freshers/juniors arent getting those

[long solar]

Anyone ever had to do a non-paid "trial project" to get into an internship?:

[buoyant seal]

😋 i did it for getting hired into full time job, and it was best decision at that time, i got job, i got eventually salary increases and etc

[proud glacier]

My friend had to do this for several of his internships (he got hired)

[long solar]

Ok thanks guys, I had never heard of it before

[buoyant seal]

thing i did, took me 5 days. everything was explicitely set regarding what to do, limits, what not to do

[long solar]

Yeah it doesn't seem easy in my case lol

[ember oasis]

Ahh man r u beginner math ..bro learn in utube channel (3Blue1Brown, khan academy) this channels are good ...even I was bad grade in math .

It's free too soo

[brittle bay]

guys im trying to install a package but its not working it says package not found

pip install girlfriend (why is it not working bro)

[analog sun]

Wasn't that package malicious? Likely it got removed from pypi

[brittle bay]

bro how am i gonna get a girlfriend now i need the package

[analog sun]

Also this is #career-advice , so this is off topic for this channel.

[brittle bay]

what channel should be used for general talk**

[analog sun]

For your topic I don't think one exists in this server.

[brittle bay]

is there no general for "everything talks"?

[analog sun]

We have off topic channels.

[brittle bay]

okay sorry bro

[teal vapor]

How to start carrier in python anyone guide please i mean on what project i can work so earn good and which module should I master

[peak halo]

the best way to start is to get a degree in computer science and get involved in opportunities to grow your skills while you pursue it.

[empty bear]

Hey! I want to learn python fully ,I just completed my graduation and there they taught some basics of all programming languages like java ,r , php ,python etc but now I want to mainly focus on python . Can somebody help or suggest me what and how to do it

[woven garnet]

hello guys i have recently joined the server

[peak halo]

Hello and welcome to the server. Note that you have been banned from voice verifying for two weeks, since you broke the very clear instruction not to spam. (also they left the server.)

[jovial solstice]

find a python book (or other resource, see below) and learn

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[atomic gulch]

yo

[distant fractal]

what if i have skills and no degree or certificates?

would anyone hire?

[deft herald]

If it was down to you and someone else with the exact same skills, but with a degree, who do you think would be selected?

[distant fractal]

yea they'll prefer degree
but would they hire no-degree?

[pine sleet]

they could, you just need to convince them to hire you instead of someone with a degree, internships, and great projects

[white relic]

^ It's most likely you won't be considered for most programming-heavy jobs without a degree.

*without a degree or relevant experience

Experience can be gained in adjacent kinds of work, like help desk and qa

those may be easier to get without a degree, but it's not a shortcut.

[deft herald]

Absolutely agree ☝️ . "relevant experience" here might require something like a job at a company that starts in help desk or something, then your role slowly morphs into more of a SW tester or devops engineer or whatever. Like trent said, this could take more time than actually aquiring a degree

Not to mention the fact lots of req's might actually have a hard dependency on a degree regardless of experience.

[wanton birch]

Do you guys do Leetcode practice? If so, how many a day?

[peak halo]

I've never done one. the importance of leetcode-style questions is overstated.

[wanton birch]

well companies do ask questions of that nature to filter candidates

I wish LC was more mini-project style. I'd be looking forward to that a lot more

[final flax]

I have been learning python for a few years off and on, but ive finally decided I need to stick with it, Im currently doing a udemy 100 day python course and I want to slowly move away from my 2nd job and doing some coding work. Freelance is of course the goal because I want more time with my family. looking into freelance is very intimidating but im tired of how busy I am in the situation that I am in. Im not sure how to approach this path, or how long until I can start trying to market to gain more experience. If anyone has done the 100 days course I am still early in just finishing nested lists and dictionaries. I also live in a 20k > town and was thinking of trying to do some marketing here for locally owned restaurants, websites for people, and work for beauticians (as 2 of my family members are so i have guinea pigs for my testing lol)

[green knoll]

I need help

[peak halo]

Hello, please read #❓｜how-to-get-help

[green knoll]

My sublime text is not red as the tuto vid.. i will become crazy and ok i will read

[pine sleet]

freelancing is pretty tough to get into and make any significant amount of money doing. but asking around in your town to see if anyone needs some work done is a pretty good way to make some quick bucks

[long solar]

Did they tell you that you should take 5 days to do it?

[green knoll]

Can you help me please

[long solar]

No sorry. another time maybe

[green knoll]

Oh

[buoyant seal]

yeah, there was 5 days limit
The task was to implement majority of chapters from Flask mega tutorial https://blog.miguelgrinberg.com/post/the-flask-mega-tutorial-part-i-hello-world
Deploy it, and present it
There were named exceptions, which chapters i could skip

[long solar]

oh ok. they gave no time limit and idk how long it'll take me I don't wanna reply and be like ok it'll be done by friday and then be late to my self imposed deadline loll

[near ocean]

Yes, try to do the daily leetcode

[wanton birch]

I am trying to do about 5 problems per day nowadays in the hope that over a month or so, my brain will see the patterns more clearly and spend less time connecting dots.

[fringe sphinx]

Well, besides the organization in your name?

[deft herald]

you should try Advent of Code then!

[near ocean]

AoC is great yea, much more engaging than leetcode

[wanton birch]

Does it cover the leetcode stuff?

[deft herald]

I don't understand the question

[wanton birch]

As in the same type of problems leetcode provides for us to solve

[deft herald]

Well you were asking for more mini-project style right? So that'd be different than leetcode

[wanton birch]

Oh! Get you now. Yeah, ideally I would love things like that. But I am doing this as prep for job applications and related interviews.

[deft herald]

but yeah AoC does require DSA type solutions. SOmetimes the problems build off of each other, sometimes they're very one-off and standalone. But they do all follow a somewhat cohesive theme/story line

[deft herald]

Yeah i mean there are more than one way to prep for interviews

[wanton birch]

I straight up got a leetcode hard variant in the last one. Regret not going through them in advance. Spent most of the time coming up with the right algo to solve it, in the end there wasn’t much time left to code it up and I got nervous and couldn’t finish.

[deft herald]

Yeah, that's a bummer. The short answer is there's no way to predict what they're going to ask

[brazen sky]

hi

[wanton birch]

True. That is why I am working on writing my own implementation or design of certain things for practice AND doing daily leetcode

[deft herald]

I've had mixed luck actually straight up asking before the interview about what types of questions they'll be asking in the technical part. Sometimes they just say "study the concepts listed on the job description", other times i had people say "yeah go study linked lists (or whatever)"

[wanton birch]

Oh wow! I wish they told me something in advance. I am currently in the middle of one and made it to round 3. That’s where we did the pair coding of that LC hard type thing. Been a week. They probably went forward with a better candidate

[deft herald]

Just a week? Not necessairly. Maybe they wanted to make sure to get all the candidates interviewed first and that itself can take a whole week or more

[wanton birch]

Maybe. I don’t know. I accidentally got short listed by them. Wasn’t expecting it as they only deal with rather highly skilled experts. Not to mention that there are more rounds if I passed that 3rd one.

How do people manage this many rounds and all. I get so stressed between these preps and my work.

[deft herald]

Yeah i mean, interview all 3rd rounds, narrow it down, reach out to candidates again. All i'm saying is don't make any absolute conclusions after one week. Did you ever send a follow-up?

[wanton birch]

No because they kinda took about a week every time after a round. So I thought it'd be polite to give them some breathing room.

[deft herald]

Maybe now it's time for a follow up

[wanton birch]

Also, to be frank, I am kinda worried that I may have passed somehow and they will make me prepare for another round 😦

[left yarrow]

I feel lost, I don't know what career I want to pursue in computer science.

[pine sleet]

are you in university?

[left yarrow]

I am about to join

[peak halo]

You don't need to decide yet. Your experience at the university will help you figure that out

[pine sleet]

you'll be introduced to many subfields in CS, so you can figure out what interests you

[left yarrow]

I have like 2 months till the university starts and I don't want to waste time but I am confused on what I want to learn.

[pine sleet]

Brush up on your math, calculus 1 usually gets a lot of people. Knowing your way around at least one common programming language will also be useful (Python, C++, JS, etc)

[left yarrow]

I know basics of python and do you know any website so I could solve calculus problems

[lilac yoke]

I would focus on learning what jobs are out there, research them and even reach out to current people working in that field and set up a meeting to discuss what they do. It’s important to begin narrowing it down.

For example, you might first decide on software engineer, and you’ll find many sub fields of SWE to look into: web, mobile, systems, embedded, etc.

[left yarrow]

Thanks for the advice

[wet magnet]

For participants in kaggle competitions what thing need to learn it only for data science

[unreal pier]

Look for kaggle competitions you need to learn model building like there are ml algos

[true arch]

hello guys,
Does anyone knows if i can follow a yt channel which can just teach me the html css and js that to an extent that is needed for django as for my main guide i am follow django 5 by example book.. and i have only worked in python.

[signal oar]

hey, my university studies are so messed up
i don't think i can clear all the backpapers within 1 semester... anyone got backpapers like me😕

currently am having backlogs on physics,electrical,and graphics

[true arch]

daam dude it's just start of your cllg and you already got 3 backlogs

[signal oar]

noo.. am currently in 3rd year and i got backlogs from first year

[copper arrow]

hi

[vast shoal]

Knowledge about the system with the bug bounty

Then knowledge about web apps. Web development, networking, protocols, web security, databases, etc.

[strong flax]

Looking for bubble.io developer

[vast shoal]

See the channel description, this is not a job board

[distant fractal]

Pentagon

[hearty island]

looks like i’m gonna be laid off

what a joy

[deft herald]

Sorry dude. Any severance?

[hearty island]

nope

[deft herald]

fr? Why are you getting laid off?

[hearty island]

1. they are trimming the fat with external consultants now
2. redoubling skills & capabilities for technology and regulatory ability
3. hybrid work policy —> 3 days a week, maybe 4/5 later on
4. voluntary retirement plans

intent on causing as much churn and disruption as possible

[deft herald]

bummer

[hearty island]

it is what it is
good news is i have my resume and everything ready and i’ve been churning apps and getting interviews

[proven flax]

Hey guys, i am currently studying a Masters AI degree (expected Sept 2025). Any advice yall can give me to apply/secure a graduate/entry level jobs? Appreciate it! i can provide more context if needed

[deft herald]

have you started applying yet?

@proven flax

[proven flax]

yes, here and there. Usually through linkedin

[deft herald]

I mean i think your degree is pretty great for the current job market. I would just say apply to all the things

[ionic nebula]

Hey y'all, just joined the server and looking to help and build community

I have a background in programming and using some python. Mostly was in JS world. Now getting back into Python and doing Codecademy's Data Scientist: NLP path. Very good so far.

[ionic nebula]

What tools are you using? I hear that creating projects with the latest tools helps. Also reading academic research papers helps

[ionic nebula]

sorry to hear that

[next plover]

wait didnt you just get hired?

[analog sun]

@raw bloom your message was removed for violating rule 6 of the server

[ionic nebula]

project euler

[hearty island]

correct, around 11 months ago

[ionic nebula]

congrats

[hearty island]

thanks

[chilly hazel]

hi guys this might be a bit unrelated, can someone suggest me some resources to learn DSA? im going to start studying it soon even in next sem college. iv heard about some books like clrs intro to algo, grokking algo, im going to read them but i would prefer someone suggest me yt playlists (as they are free) or some courses which are cheap/worth the money. im a beginner in programming, only know python, basic c++. also should i do dsa in c++ or python?

[open ivy]

Do it in Python way easier than C++. I think honestly Python is starting to eat into C++ due to all the performance tools such as Numpy Numba etc.

[chilly hazel]

but i heard somewhere that there are fewer concepts in python... that does make it easier but wont i be missing?

[open ivy]

I think learning about C++ without actually writing code in that language is a compromise, considering how hard it is to write code. C++ has a lot of accidental complexity, C is more elegant but limited, good for learning the basics of memory management.

[vapid jay]

Yup that’s my name and yet u can’t even dox me 😭😂

[wanton birch]

Just got the rejection email.

[deft herald]

Eh. Bummer

[wanton birch]

That is cool. I was actually astonished that they got back to me and we managed to do 3 rounds!

I will just keep my daily LeetCoding on going for the next opportunity and keep learning the languages

[vapid jay]

Bit busy rn 😭😭

[delicate swift]

<@&831776746206265384> Um

Attempted doxxing or... whatever this is?

[next plover]

what in minecraft skid is this

[ancient burrow]

Hey JX, I have gotten a B.S. in Data Science, as I am a software engineer by day, but very interested in AI systems long term. Very curious to hear more about what you are interested and how your AI degree aligns with those goals! I think you are looking into a great specialty.

[peak halo]

<@&831776746206265384> flaming

[tender thicket]

!mute 815366560985776148

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @woven hawk until <t:1750302725:f> (1 hour).

[old quest]

having better skills to communicate can help me find a sde job?
feel like my communication is below average am not that fluent

in speaking the language

[peak halo]

communication is absolutely one of the most important skills for a software developer to have.

[old quest]

Ah i understand. I try my best to improve it. But doing things like duolingo or AI vc is not making me improve it and I stop practicing after few days...

[peak halo]

I don't recommend duolingo. You're evidently not fluent, but you're past the point where duolingo can help you.

• does your resume sound fluent? if so, that won't stop you from getting interviews.
• if you are getting interviews, and they decide not to proceed with you, that might mean that your English proficiency is (part of) the reason.

[old quest]

Yea, I think my resume is fluent because of the ai tools that I used. But what i struggle with really is vocabulary and general speaking especially responding to something... i think i should keep practicing on the speaking part

[peak halo]

they might be able to tell that your resume is AI assisted.

[old quest]

I meant grammar assist. Not ai generated stuff

[peak halo]

this is grammarly, or what?

[old quest]

nope, i just pasted to gpt and asked it to format and correct grammar

[harsh river]

was the original content vs the formatted content very very different?

[old quest]

No😅

[proud fulcrum]

Buenos Dias no sé si este es el canal adecuado para compartir esta información
me encontré esto en mis lista de noticias que me arroja Google.

Desarrollador/a Back-end Python Django en Magnet - Chile | Get on Board https://share.google/7o9d53HI6XkfQDJwi

[harsh river]

@proud fulcrum Hola santiago, este servidor no permite anuncios de trabajos / ofertas, pero te pido porfavor que envias dicha oferta en https://discord.gg/hablemospython
Ahi podras enviar la oferta sin problemas! ademas que veo que la oferta requeire que sea hecha en espanol, sera mucho mas facil en PyES

[vast shoal]

Please also note that you must use English to the best of your ability on this server.

[harsh river]

<@&831776746206265384>

[vast shoal]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[nocturne harbor]

This violates at least two of our rules (5&9). Please re-familiarize yourself with the rules.

[arctic iron]

He

I wana get my resume reviewd. Is there any channel specific to that. Thanks!

[radiant vortex]

Here

[arctic iron]

Oka

Hey guys, could anyone take a look on this resume and help fixing the issues in here. Would be thank-full for any suggestion or recommendations.

Its meant for Full-stack engineer role.

[zenith maple]

Make it single page

I think that is the most common advice that you'll get

[near ocean]

A lot of those jobs are overlapping, are they the same job, is it a consultancy job? Freelance for multiple clients?
Theres also a lot of whitespace here on the first page, you should trim it down

Your summary doesnt say much either, add to it or remove it

[zenith maple]

Yea I agree no need for summary/objective

[near ocean]

You need to talk more about your jobs, i cant tell what you've done in them, what the product was, etc

[strange hull]

Follow the STAR method for your pointers! Having more whitespace signals to the reader that there isn't a whole lot of content for the person to write, this is a negative sign. You want it to look as full as possible while still making sense. This is generally done by focusing on ensuring each line takes up atleast 70% of the available width

You also don't need a separate section for education and can put it up in the header alongside phone/email/socials

[near ocean]

An education section is pretty standard tho

[mossy shuttle]

Will AI really take over the software jobs, I mean even right now there are a lot of computer grads and competition, and now there is AI. Why did I even join computer science 🤧
What are your thoughts on AI man ? Cuz for me I don't even have plan b apart from this..

[balmy spade]

AI is neat. The hype is annoying. It's not taking my job any decade soon.

You should really ask yourself: Why did you join computer science?

That's a valid quesiton. What's your goal? Are you moving toward it?

[icy pagoda]

CS is one of the best positioned fields to switch to any domain you'd like if you feel you aren't that interested in it

mostly because computationl X where X is a field is a thing in most places, which eventually allows you to transition to X

yeah AI won't be doing that much rn

[vast shoal]

We have LLMs now. LLMs can't replace a human. They're tools, arguably they can improve your productivity to some extent. But there are lots of tasks a human developer needs to be able to do that no LLM can. They are impressive, but they are not AGI, not even close.

[mossy shuttle]

Of course to be a software developer, a good one. But have you used lovable before ? I tried it today that thing can do what I can do with just some prompts, scary, and also what all these CEOs of ai company are talking about

[vast shoal]

CEOs of AI companies are selling AIs. Everything they are saying is marketing.

[mossy shuttle]

I don't really understand your point apart from software fields , can I switch to another career part with CS?

[icy pagoda]

mb, I thought you were looking to switch - not focusing on software engineering
CS is the least resistance path to SE

[balmy spade]

I've used dozens and dozens of AI tools. They all leave me impressed at what someone has accomplished and then I leave them on the shelf. They don't replace me.

[mossy shuttle]

That makes sense

[balmy spade]

Of course to be a software developer, a good one.

Bet. Go be one. Be an amazing one. AI can't stop you.

[vast shoal]

Lovable is for vibe coding. You can vibe code a simple application that works, but the concept breaks down completely once the complexity and the size of the context grows beyond a certain fairly low threshold.

[mossy shuttle]

Well right now I am still studying CS I'm just having this feeling that, it's going to be tough and I have no plan b

[vast shoal]

Vibe coding is not useful at all for producing commercial code.

[mossy shuttle]

Another career options

[balmy spade]

You didn't have any proof that plan A would work for you but here you are. What makes plan B any different? You are learning and growing in skill. That skill doesn't go away just because you might decide to change fields. ((I've changed fields six times in my life.... so far!))

[vast shoal]

Studying CS is a decent choice. You're not gonna be guaranteed to have an easy time no matter what path you choose.

[mossy shuttle]

You know what other thing that is making sense I feel like all this AI agent are created for developers because there's one guy that was using lovable to create something even though he could do it with just some prompt he still struggle to get what he wants but because I have a knowledge of building stuff I know the exact prompt configuration and stuff that I will tell lovable it was easy from.

[mossy shuttle]

But are those fields still within the computer industry, like scope ?

[balmy spade]

Hell naw. I started working in restaurants, moved into line-work at a factory, did leadership in retail, was an auto-mechanic, then direct sales, and now I've been all over the tech industry.
Automation has been going to "replace me" for two decades now. AI is just the next thing in a line of tools.

You know what's neat? I've used most of the same skills for all those jobs.

[mossy shuttle]

You are a real Hustler 💪🏽

I think I just have fear for failure, that's why I'm having doubt

[balmy spade]

Embrace failure. It's the path to success.

[mossy shuttle]

True

[vast shoal]

Using LLMs as a part of your normal workflow is totally viable. Like, you delegate small isolated tasks to it that you know it can handle in order to speed up your workflow, you understand the code that it produces, you review it to ensure it does what you want and that the code style is up to standard, etc. That's fine. What doesn't work is to just dump everything on the LLM, never look at the code or the error messages, and expect it to be able to produce anything except the most trivial results.

[mossy shuttle]

It was really amazing because the reason why I use lovable was because I don't have enough time you know so I just like okay let me just set this up real quick. I had a lot of projects at hand and it paid off

Is it advisable to use cursor or make that git Ai?

Or is it Vs code ai I forgot the name

[harsh river]

our first advice is always going to be: don't use any LLM or LLM tool unless you're able to understand on your own what it's giving you, if you're not able to do that, then you shouldn't be using it at all.

[arctic iron]

Thanks for taking a look at this. It seems hard to add details and keep it to single page.

[near ocean]

You have way too many jobs listed with 1-2 bullet points, some are overlapping periods, you should condense your experience section

[arctic iron]

Sure. I worked on these many US based products where I got hired through a B2B company.

[mental scarab]

Hey everyone! 👋
I’ve recently started doing DSA in Python. I previously did some basic DSA in C++ about 2 years ago, but I’ve forgotten most of it. So I’m restarting with Python now.
Is Python a good choice for learning DSA? Will the concepts still be clear?
If anyone here is also doing DSA in Python, could you share a basic roadmap or some guidance on how to get started? Also curious—are you finding the concepts easy to grasp with Python?
Would really appreciate any help! 🙏

[wild pendant]

good

[karmic flint]

Hey,

Yes, i think python is a good choice to learn DSA. In fact it's a lot better for some of the data structures like trees. i mean you can actually visualize the tree in the notebook and see how it looks like with colors.

I would recommend you to understand the data structure first, make notes and then just start implementing and be patient.

I would highly recommend you to not use GPT or any other AI model for help.
Try to do everything yourself and you won't forget it even after 10 years as they say, "Shortcuts lead to long delays."

For the resources i have heard that Algorithms1 and Algorithms2 course on coursera is good but choose what works for you.

I hope this helps.
Good Luck.

[old quest]

Do I really need to concentrate on one field. What about building a general software development portfolio

[fringe sphinx]

Who says you need to concentrate?

New developers should have a broad foundation. The practical reason is: you have no idea what your first job will require.

[old quest]

All my classmates are just picking up a language and going towards what's popular with that language.

Like some go for app dev with Java/kotlin
Some take JS and web dev
I don't really know what should I do. I am just exploring everything.
making websites games and stuff which are not related...

[old quest]

Some even take fullstack/frontend/backend development bootcamps

[old quest]

But when I look for job opening I am seeing roles like frontend dev/backend dev and the requirements are pretty much the framework and role related stuff

[vast shoal]

That's a wiser approach, I think. Try lots of different things, languages, technologies, frameworks, etc., and figure out what the commonalities are. Get really good at the fundamentals and theoretical principles rather than specific technologies.

[old quest]

ohk

[vast shoal]

Like, learn OOP and functional programming rather than Java and... I dunno, Haskell.

Use the latter as means to learn the former.

[old quest]

Yes it's something that am planning to make something really big in a object oriented manner. I like making those kind of stuff..

i think I'll continue doing this

[balmy hamlet]

Hey guys

I just started learning python from mobile suggest me best yt channel to learn python

[deft herald]

First suggestion would be to find a chrome book or some kind of laptop so you're not stuck trying to program on a mobile device. At the very least, get a bluetooth keyboard

[mystic ferry]

Hello guys

New here. Trying to learn python, any suggestion for me?

[peak halo]

go to #python-discussion and ask for resources

also, what prompted you to use this channel first? we're wondering why new users seem to come to this channel instead of the main one. @mystic ferry

like, there might have been a UX change we don't know about.

[mystic ferry]

Lol I don't know I saw the discussion category and directly head towards the first channel.

[peak halo]

thank you for the explanation 👍 enjoy our wonderful python server.

[mystic ferry]

Thanks!!

[mystic ferry]

I'll do that.

[ionic nebula]

• learn data structures and algorithms with Python. There is a book: https://runestone.academy/ns/books/published/pythonds/index.html
• build projects with the most popular frameworks. You can build projects off FreeCodeCamp
• write a blog to highlight your experience to show your skills. This shows your thinking process and helps showcase your skills. You can use medium or Obsidian.

[ionic nebula]

• https://runestone.academy/ns/books/published/pythonds/index.html
• https://www.codecademy.com/catalog/language/python

[mystic ferry]

Thanks i'll check it out.

[ionic nebula]

machine learning with python is interesting. Pick a type of project you like that matches where there is hiring. Python is a great base language to learn the basics. Then learning another on the job. Another great language is Rust, if you want to enter systems programming and web3.

[fierce flame]

Hi,I am planning to buy a laptop.Someone suggest me which specification i need to run python smoothly.

[peak halo]

I don't recommend "picking a project" to land a career in ML. Those jobs almost always have a degree that's related to ML as a requirement, and will get numerous applications from people who have one.

[peak halo]

Any new laptop that isn't a chromebook will be fine.

[fierce flame]

No, I am buying windows laptop. Need graphis card ?

[faint depot]

I swear for the past 2 years Ive been getting nothing but rejection. It feels so demoralising. Especially if I dont get a job in the next month or so and I dont get an apprenticeship, I wont be able to afford university. It fucking sucks

[true harness]

not really

[fierce flame]

Processor?

[peak halo]

yes, a processor is like, a core component of a computer.

[wraith harbor]

its nearly impossible to get a job in tech if you haven't graduated yet. is there a way you can work a different job while you're in school?

[fierce flame]

Which processor?

[peak halo]

I repeat: any new laptop that isn't a chromebook will be suitable.

[fierce flame]

Ok thanks

[faint depot]

Im not even trying to get a job in tech. Genuinely just trying to get a normal fucking job either part time or full time. I applied to fucking kfc and mcdonlds and ive not even heard back from them in over a year. Fuck this job market

[wraith harbor]

yeah man it really sucks. im sorry i hope you find something 😦

[ionic nebula]

Open source project and volunteer. Build up your resume with things you have done. Get mentorship to learn how to read academic papers and implement any interesting ones.

[wraith harbor]

good advice but i think ats will just throw out your resume if it doesn't say "degree in computer science"

[analog sun]

@bold frost Your message was removed for violating server rules

[bold frost]

oh sorry

Where can I possibly post? I'm part of Qubic French, the cryptocurrency. We're looking for EVM developers, Solana bridge, C++.

[proud glacier]

Unfortunately nowhere on this server is the right place to recruit. And you're not even looking for Python developers?

[bold frost]

If you can, we are organizing a hackathon in Paris from July 4th to 9th with big prizes to be won.

[ionic nebula]

not really:

• Volunteer for open source projects sponsored by a company you want to work for
• Get references, tips, mentorship from devs on project
• add to resume

[ionic nebula]

Question: have you seen any LLMs that focus on writing domain specific things like writing great Solidity or Rust smart contracts or audits?

[ionic nebula]

also which language? Only C++ or are you looking for Rust and Solidity devs? Which chain?

[bold frost]

Developing EVM, Solana C++ bridge for Qubic cryptocurrency, the hackathon takes place in Paris

[strong elbow]

I am in stand of learning python can u help me out in the OOP I didn't understand it😥

[ionic nebula]

This book is good:
https://runestone.academy/ns/books/published/pythonds/index.html

[strong elbow]

Thanks bro

[open ivy]

Countless people have poured time into social media to build the brand and have failed. This is because it is extremely unequal, if you don't get lucky and are not superb with influencer skills you won't do well.

What are some lower inequality ways to get attention so that people look at your portfolio website and value? Small communities have served me relatively well, far from perfect but miles better than publicly releasing things on social media.

[pine sleet]

sounds more like a business/marking question than a python/programming career question tbh

[open ivy]

To clarify, I am building a brand to be able to get a tech job, not to start a business. It is a personal brand.

How did you get to a position where other people reach out to you and you get enough of an audiance? Or are you also in a similar position as me where you are reaching out to others much more than they are reaching out to you (which is the situation most people are in at high attention inequality levels)?

[next plover]

i post my blogs on linkedin

[open ivy]

No one cared about my linkedin posts. So if I tried to repeat what you are doing, I would likely fail.

[next plover]

you fail when you give up

[smoky quest]

there is no magic: quality content.

Some people might try to make up quality with volume or appeal, but at the end of the day, nothing beats quality

[open ivy]

If someting isn't working, and never seems to work, how do you know when to change the strategy to something else?

[pine sleet]

why do you need to build a brand to get a tech job. are you just asking how to improve your resume

[open ivy]

To get more people to see my portfolio projects.

[smoky quest]

You cannot improve what you cannot measure.
So you do need some form of analytics to track your conversion and retention rate. It will help you understand better what is the issue and emit hypotheses about what to try to improve it

[open ivy]

Thats worth a try. LinkedIn keeps funneling us to famous people with 10000+ followers, maybe BluSky is better? I have heard it is more fair?

[smoky quest]

I was more thinking about making sure your website has some analytics setup so you can identify where people come from.

From there, you can see when there is a spike, from where and if people do come back.

"The build it and they will come" does not work. So people do need a reason to check your portfolio or specific project. It might be because you demonstrate something cool or teach something interesting. But their existence is not a reason in itself for people to click on it.
See for instance https://www.youtube.com/@SebastianLague People will share and click on his videos because they are interesting and make a good trade off in terms of vulgarization/entertainment vs depth.
Or people will follow that person's blog because this is also quality content: https://blog.pkh.me/p/42-sharing-everything-i-could-understand-about-gradient-noise.html
But that's because the reader/watcher do get something out of it. No one will care or click on a random portfolio with a bunch of random files to sift through

[whole flare]

what is the response like?

[next plover]

my CISO likes them (fwiw i have a very locked down linkedin but for getting my name out in the company i work for it is great)

i mainly used it for pivoting from insurance to cyber

[harsh river]

mans went from reacting to the insurance claims to causing them

[open ivy]

Metrics is a good idea.

The main way I plan on advertising is to get to know people and mention it if they are more interested. Metrics helps track how they click through it for insight.

I am also thinking about starting up traditional job applications but with a twist: make sure I get a 5 min chat with someone affiliated with the company first. Otherwise the feedback for cold applications is essentially zero.

[near ocean]

you dont need a personal brand
i thought you were or are a phd student(?)
dont you have access to conferences in your area of study? lots of companies attend or even organise conferences that academics attend, surely that is the proper way for a phd student to find their way to the industry

[smoky quest]

Main things from there would be:

• Ask some good friends for honest feedback on your content
• The numbers don't lie and you will get to see how people react (or not)
• The 5min chat only works if you are special and worth their time. Given the state of the market where each job ad gets flooded, chances are they will not respond to your request at all. And not getting any feedback from cold applications is a sign your resume does not stand out comparing to the competition

[open ivy]

My hope is that there are small companies that don't get flooded the same way. Social media is very unfair with who gets what attention, and I think the world of small companies would be similar.

It's fine if most companies don't respond to the 5 min request, because I will be only submitting an application (and all the work tailoring it) to those who do.

[smoky quest]

Companies do not get flooded based on their social media presence. They get flooded based on their hiring strategy.
Given they want the best candidate for the role, they are more likely to post their job ads to a job board than not, and thus get as flooded as any other company.

[open ivy]

Don't job boards suffer from the same algorithms that make social media so unfair?

But if it is flooded, simply improving my resume won't work. Because plenty of people are doing that already. I would need some already prestigious job like Microsoft etc to really stand out.

But a good resume will help more if I already had a 5 minute chat with a small company CTO etc so I am not completely a faceless name.

[wraith harbor]

most people with tech jobs are not linkedin influencers, i dont think you need to worry too much

[smoky quest]

you can rank jobs by posting date

[smoky quest]

But if it is flooded, simply improving my resume won't work. Because plenty of people are doing that already. I would need some already prestigious job like Microsoft etc to really stand out.

Are you saying you don't think you can stand out in the top 20 of applicants through your skills and projects?

But a good resume will help more if I already had a 5 minute chat with a small company CTO etc so I am not completely a faceless name.

I have rejected plenty of very nice people who did lack skills.
The job of a recruiter/manager is to hire the best candidate for the role, not the nicest

[wraith harbor]

hiring.cafe is pretty good, they have posts on there that arent on linkedin/indeed and so get less traffic. its just a numbers game at the end of the day

[open ivy]

My formal work experience? No. Not nearly enough.

My personal projects? They are niche, so they will really stand out to a small number of people. So doing what I can to get into those communities is good.

[smoky quest]

any niche project is fine as long as the 👏 demonstrated 👏 skills 👏 are relevant

[open ivy]

That is a good point.

[crisp nacelle]

@vapid jay

[vapid jay]

How did you get here

[crisp nacelle]

i joined

[wild pendant]

Guys, do websites use PayPal as a payment method to hide data?
since it is not a bank

[vapid jay]

Oh
Welcome 🤗 internet friend

[crisp nacelle]

ok sorry i wont

[vapid jay]

Yes

[wild pendant]

what?

[vapid jay]

They do hide the data for malicious reason

[crisp nacelle]

yeah

[near ocean]

this is #career-advice please be on topic

[crisp nacelle]

@split swallow how do i make a website?

[white relic]

this channel is for career advice and discussion, this seems like a question for a help thread or a topical channel

[vapid jay]

Sorry sorry , can I have directions to another channel

[white relic]

if you aren't sure what channel your question belongs in, you can ask in #python-discussion

[vapid jay]

but that’s the thing , it’s a dead end !

[crisp nacelle]

im dead inside

[vapid jay]

well I can offer you this job

[white relic]

Please read the channel description

[crisp nacelle]

can we turn the slow mode off

[vapid jay]

you must create a website for hot beans , a promotional company advertising greener spaces and efficient energy. Read the brief in the teams

Hage you heard about hit beans @white relic

[crisp nacelle]

theres nothing there

[peak halo]

No, you just have to say everything you want to say all at once, in one message. This channel isn't for the kind of conversation that's ongoing anyway.

[vapid jay]

oh

[crisp nacelle]

you seem sad now jake

[peak halo]

This is what this channel is about. If you want to talk about something else, go to #python-discussion or an off-topic channel. Please make sure that all subsequent message are on-topic.

[vapid jay]

thank you
Here is information about hot beans job

Hot Beans: A Humble Dish the centerpiece of countless meals. In the Middle East, ful medames—slow-cooked fava beans—are eaten for breakfast, often topped with olive oil, garlic, and lemon juice.

Beans adapt well to different cooking methods and flavor profiles, absorbing spices, herbs, and sauces. When served hot, their texture becomes creamy and hearty, making them a satisfying and comforting meal. This makes hot beans a staple not only in home kitchens but also in street food, school cafeterias, and high-end restaurants.

Nutritional Value
Hot beans are a nutritional powerhouse. They are rich in plant-based protein, complex carbohydrates, fiber, and essential nutrients like iron, magnesium, and folate. For vegetarians and vegans, they are a critical source of protein. Their high fiber content supports digestive health, and their low glycemic index helps regulate blood sugar levels.

Moreover, hot beans are a key ingredient in many diets that emphasize sustainability and longevity, including the Mediterranean and Blue Zone diets. They are low in fat and cholesterol-free, contributing to heart health and weight management.

Cultural and Social Significance
The act of sharing a meal that includes hot beans often carries cultural and social importance. In many cultures, beans are considered a “people’s food”—affordable, accessible, and sustaining. They often appear in comfort foods passed down through generations, representing both tradition and resilience.

In times of economic hardship, hot beans have provided nourishment when meat or other protein sources were scarce. During the Great Depression, beans became a staple for American families. In Latin American households, a pot of frijoles (beans) might simmer all day, ready to feed a large family or welcome guests.

Environmental Benefits

[crisp nacelle]

thank you
Here is information about hot beans job

Hot Beans: A Humble Dish the centerpiece of countless meals. In the Middle East, ful medames—slow-cooked fava beans—are eaten for breakfast, often topped with olive oil, garlic, and lemon juice.

Beans adapt well to different cooking methods and flavor profiles, absorbing spices, herbs, and sauces. When served hot, their texture becomes creamy and hearty, making them a satisfying and comforting meal. This makes hot beans a staple not only in home kitchens but also in street food, school cafeterias, and high-end restaurants.

Nutritional Value
Hot beans are a nutritional powerhouse. They are rich in plant-based protein, complex carbohydrates, fiber, and essential nutrients like iron, magnesium, and folate. For vegetarians and vegans, they are a critical source of protein. Their high fiber content supports digestive health, and their low glycemic index helps regulate blood sugar levels.

Moreover, hot beans are a key ingredient in many diets that emphasize sustainability and longevity, including the Mediterranean and Blue Zone diets. They are low in fat and cholesterol-free, contributing to heart health and weight management.

Cultural and Social Significance
The act of sharing a meal that includes hot beans often carries cultural and social importance. In many cultures, beans are considered a “people’s food”—affordable, accessible, and sustaining. They often appear in comfort foods passed down through generations, representing both tradition and resilience.

In times of economic hardship, hot beans have provided nourishment when meat or other protein sources were scarce. During the Great Depression, beans became a staple for American families. In Latin American households, a pot of frijoles (beans) might simmer all day, ready to feed a large family or welcome guests.

Environmental Benefits

[peak halo]

this is clearly some kind of shitpost. I'm muting you if this continues.

[vapid jay]

sorry

[crisp nacelle]

im not

[vapid jay]

Yes same

[peak halo]

!mute 1134863889176215572 "3 hours" shitposting in #career-advice despite being asked a few times to stick to the channel topic and to stop.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @vapid jay until <t:1750378705:f> (3 hours).

[peak halo]

!mute 581796899313418250 "3 hours" shitposting in #career-advice despite being asked a few times to stick to the channel topic and to stop.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @crisp nacelle until <t:1750378728:f> (3 hours).

[fierce karma]

Hello, everyone.

I’m a highly skilled AI Engineer and Python Developer with deep expertise in Artificial Intelligence, Automation, and Large Language Models (LLMs). With a strong foundation in both AI software and hardware,

I'm passionate about OpenAI technologies and continuously push the boundaries of what's possible with machine learning and automation.

Please contact me if you want.

[white relic]

@fierce karma Please read the #rules and the channel description. This isn't a job board.

Please read the #rules and the channel description. This isn't a job board.

[vapid jay]

hi

[swift fulcrum]

hey

[white relic]

Does this have a question about careers attached to it?

This channel is for career discussion

[swift fulcrum]

oops

[white relic]

thanks, np

[swift fulcrum]

where can i share my projects i'm new

[vapid jay]

Um, I'm new here and idk what to do.... I made a python terminal tool with ChatGPT/Gemini/Windsurf, and I need somebody to test it.. If I'm in the wrong channel for this, sorry, Idk where to go, lol.

[fierce karma]

Hello, Tomcat.

[white relic]

there isn't really a project showcase kind of channel here, it's hard to moderate

[vapid jay]

alr

[fierce karma]

Nice to meet you.

[sterile nacelle]

hello

[vapid jay]

hi

[dense sundial]

Where do you guys apply for internships in tech? I think linkedin is a bit too overcrowded and our applications aren't really seen

[final marsh]

why is the avatar LGBTQ?

[modest kraken]

It’s pride month I think

[modest kraken]

Networking

[little obsidian]

hi

[dense sundial]

fair enough

[silver bone]

hai

How is the career for Ai Engineer who does not go to college? especially in countries like Indonesia and Australia

[fringe sphinx]

There are many jobs in tech. And job titles like 'Ai engineer' can mean a lot of different things: and which definition of the job title makes a huge difference in what the answer is.

Prompt engineers, for instance, have much lower requirements than, for instance, AI/ML developers developing new techniques.

In between, there's practitioners: people who use existing tools who don't need to be AI 'experts'

Anyway, it's hard to land 'Engineer' jobs without a degree.. at least in US and Europe. Not impossible, though. Landing that first job is the hardest part: finding someone who'll give you a shot. Sometimes landing an adjacent job, like QA, is a good first step.

[tropic gull]

hello, i want to start learning dsa as im in my final year of college and would be applying for placements soon. i was wondering if doing dsa in python is alr as many people think python is much easier and would it affect my interviews. also if anyone has resources related to dsa or playlists that'll be a great help

[near kayak]

can we change servers pfp

🤣

[analog sun]

In a week and a half the branding changes, as per the calendar

Do note that this is off topic for this channel, #career-advice

[near kayak]

btw im now learning python than power bi gift hub and etc my question is is data analyst job "easier" to find than some other tech jobs

[desert crow]

anyone looking for kind of develop for project or something? i can basically work for free

[fringe sphinx]

This isn't a job board. Please see our #rules. Your post has been deleted

[rugged yoke]

So general question. I'm seeing alot of jobs for "Training AI" and was wondering if anyone had advice for general proficiency level required for that or even if those kinds of jobs are any kind of legit?

[hearty island]

so concise lmao

[rugged yoke]

I mean hey, at least they messaged back

[peak halo]

this either means being an AI engineer, which requires years of specialized training, or being a training data creator, which is a low-skill, low-wage job.

without more context, I can't comment beyond that.

[hearty island]

what is wrong with me man
this interviewer within 14 minutes literally said "any questions for me?"

what? it's a 45 minute interview

how badly did i get cooked?

[tepid bane]

It's preferable to not being replied

There's nothing more annoying than that 😒

[hearty island]

oh i've already been ghosted plenty of times, that being said i've gotten like 15 interviews out of 132 apps

[tepid bane]

At least let me know I failed

So I can move on....

[hearty island]

however, it doesn't mean shit if it's gonna end up like this

[rugged yoke]

I'm assuming training Data Creator for the post I was actually interested in but I can DM the indeed job posting if you like

[peak halo]

why not just post it here?

[rugged yoke]

Didnt know if I could post links here

https://www.indeed.com/viewjob?from=app-tracker-saved-appcard&hl=en&jk=2eebf5c0a0c1cf94&tk=1iu6t2i7gpept800

the job title sounds fancy but going by the rating, the fact its likely short contracts, and a work your own hours kind of gig. It feels more like a "Generally proficient" than "Advanced proficiency"

the fact payments are made through paypal seems kinda sketchy to me as a side hence why I asked about legitimacy XD

[red knot]

DOMAIN 1: CORE CODING & AUTOMATION

1. Python Programming
2. Git/GitHub
3. APIs & Web Scraping
4. Telegram Bot Development
5. Cloud Deployment (AWS)
6. CI/CD Pipelines
   I am a complete beginner
   I want to learn these 6 skills can anyone suggest me any YouTube or Udemy or Coursera course? Pls 🙏

[peak halo]

can you remove all the vertical whitespace from this? it displaces other peoples messages.

[rugged yoke]

Code Academy was pretty solid for Python but I'm sure there are better places

[peak halo]

don't accept a jobs with a sketchy payment system. that's how you get in trouble for tax evasion.

[rugged yoke]

Ah I figured I'd just claim it as untaxed earnings and pay it when the tax man came knocking

[hearty island]

this is sketch

[rugged yoke]

Fair, generally speaking though are there non-sketchy AI training jobs though? I havnt found any that dont raise eyebrows honestly

Could also use some pointers on where to find entry level projects, feel like Indeed just isnt hitting for those kinds of jobs

[open ivy]

Cold applications have the issue that it is a faceless name.

So I am thinking about trying to get a 5 min chat with someone in the company first.

That still requires a cold reaching out, so doesn't solve the coldness problem. But if I am going to try out a cold strategy anyway, at least I don't waste time in an app for a ghost job.

[near ocean]

go to conferences

you have access to conferences, the presentations they come with, the dinners afterwards, go to them
there are people from both academia and industry there itching to nerd out about whatever geeky thing they study

[open ivy]

And if too expensive, I have heard hanging outside of them works OK.

[near ocean]

no thats creepy, youre a phd student or recent graduate right?

[remote crater]

I got a CS degree. What do I do now? I feel like they only taught us some really surface-level stuff that doesn't actually make us more employable.

[deft herald]

you go apply to jobs, get hired somewhere, and acquire all kinds of domain knowledge

[peak halo]

Did you do an internship, or get involved in opportunities on campus?

[remote crater]

no

[pine sleet]

that would explain why you "feel like they only taught us some really surface-level stuff that doesn't actually make us more employable"

[proud glacier]

did you do any side projects during your college time?

[remote crater]

@proud glacier no, not during it.
@pine sleet I applied for a TA position, but they didn't hire me.

[peak halo]

Can you show your resume? For any job you apply to, there will be a bunch of other applicants with CS degrees. There needs to be a reason for them to put you in the subset that gets interviewed

[distant owl]

hey ! i wanna learn python but i need some tutorial and i have some difficult for finding good youtube’s video who explain well can you help me pls ?

[peak halo]

Resumes need to be large, readable screenshots

[remote crater]

why can't I just submit a pdf?

[pine sleet]

then we would need to download it

[peak halo]

You uploaded a docx

[remote crater]

the second one was a pdf

[peak halo]

Okay, well, please post it as a readable screenshot if you want to proceed. We can't stop the bot from deleting them regardless.

[blissful wolf]

https://youtu.be/K5KVEU3aaeQ?si=sAQPngZI7MOuebvC

[remote crater]

I'm aiming for either software development or entry level data entry since I don't want my employment gap to increase any longer.

[peak halo]

If you don't already have data science related credentials, you won't be considered for those positions.

What did you do during your time at university other than coursework?

Also, did you apply for internships, even if you didn't get one?

[remote crater]

I've already had a data entry job. Why wouldn't I be qualified?

[peak halo]

Data science jobs require a whole different skill set than data entry.

Like, if your job is to stock shelves at a grocery store, that has nothing to do with being a chef.

[remote crater]

I don't want a data science job, I'm fine with just data entry.

[true harness]

why do you want to do data entry if you have a cs degree?

[peak halo]

Data entry is unskilled labor. You shouldn't need to aim that low.

I wonder if someone else has advice for how to upskill if you didn't develop marketable skills as a student.

This might be a situation for doing a boot camp

[remote crater]

because the job market is apparently nightmarish and it might be a really long time before I get a software development job. Then my employment gap is even larger, so they're even less likely to hire me, causing a vicious cycle.

[remote crater]

aren't bootcamps basically a scam?

[peak halo]

The main issue with boot camps is when people think that they're a substitute for a degree.

But since you already have one, it might be an appropriate way to upskill. I'm not sure.

Also, time spent doing data entry would be tantamount to a job gap. The problem with job gaps is that it's time that you're not continuing to develop industry skills.

[remote crater]

I know, but I feel like not working at all is more frowned upon than doing work that isn't totally relevant.

[remote crater]

What skills are most marketable?

[peak halo]

Depends on which domain you're working in.

[next plover]

if the market is especially bad where you live (and you need a job asap), going into something like data entry to pivot isnt a bad plan

it also depends on your competition for SE

good personal projects will set you apart from other people as well

and fwiw i went from a data entry intern to security analyst so im a little bias

[smoky quest]

Show, don't tell. Each job has thousands of applicants claiming to have skills. So claiming to have skills is not enough.
Instead, show us the projects and all the amazing things you have done while in college

This objective doesn't add value. So I would remove it

I would also encourage you to look at other resumes shared in the past in this channel so you can compare them with yours

[pine sleet]

the problem is they say they haven't done much while in college

[smoky quest]

then it's time to lock in and catch up

Otherwise they may have to switch career. There are way too many great candidates for someone to succeed without having done anything. Time to put down marvel rivals and pick up vscode

[remote crater]

I'd rather kms than switch careers after the amount of time I've put into this.

I got a degree in this shit.

[smoky quest]

then time to lock in and make it worth the time spent into it! Make some projects that make you shine!
Because your competition did spend far more time on this than you and they have the projects to show it

Having passing grades is not enough anymore. You need to be the best candidate for the role.

[remote crater]

what relevant projects can you even make as some random unemployed person?

[smoky quest]

any project that 👏 demonstrate 👏 relevant 👏 skills 👏 for the job.
So if you apply to frontend roles, make a nice and complex frontend
If you apply for devops, show off some fully managed homelab
If you apply for backend, show some deep backend skills with a project that uses that

[pine sleet]

it can be anything. it just needs to show your technical competence

[mental scarab]

Hey, thank you so much for replying!
I really get your point that one should learn things in a way that they don’t forget easily. Honestly, when I was trying to learn DSA earlier, I used to forget things if I didn’t practice for just 2–3 days. So yeah, thank you again! I really appreciate the resources you shared, will definitely check them out 😊

[wild pendant]

hi

[wraith harbor]

i was in a similar position to you. getting good projects was the difference maker for getting my first job. you can do it it just takes some work and time

[true harness]

being unemployed doesn't change much. most people are making projects in college, while not working

[next plover]

i made a web browser

(im literally in cybersecurity and i still put it on my resume)

2500 a month for an "expert" in multiple fields LMAO

[buoyant seal]

!rule 6 9 <@&831776746206265384>

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[next plover]

hey i was laughing at that

[buoyant seal]

Going to be shitty expert for this price in so many specializations 😅

[next plover]

if you can get anyone for that

[buoyant seal]

u can actually, this price in poor countries is enough to hire strong-junior/beginner-middle dev of a single specialization at least
in countries where usually English is not their native language 😄

[next plover]

ah

[buoyant seal]

even some supposedly first world countries could be having jobs for this sum, some first world countries are quite poor, and if u know only their native language as far as i know salaries aren't that great too

[fringe sphinx]

We don't allow recruiting here. We do not have a jobs board. Your post has been removed

[buoyant seal]

That's the thing though, if u know English at C1 level, and having 4 years of exp + strong specializations, u are usually already ready for world wide market and salaries become different
You can be poorly ready only if you widespreaded yourself thin enough and your skills still suck at this point (which with requirements set there it can be)

[maiden narwhal]

wth is with the server logo....

[balmy spade]

#changelog You can always find info on any of the dozen or so brandings when they come up.

[maiden narwhal]

Yall need Jesus, not coding, im outta here. May the Lord forgive yall for supporting a month of gender dyphoria

[balmy spade]

See ya

[grizzled ginkgo]

jesus lowk seems gay

[last moat]

my depression isnt allowing me to focus on learning. its been so many years now. even if i get a job i think i wont be able to sit 8 hour on chair and focus on work. should i quit and find unskilled labour job.

[balmy spade]

First, I think you should start before you quit. Find a professional to talk about your depression. There are countless paths to controlling and living with it.

Secondly, while this is a hot-take in some circles; there are no unskilled jobs. Every job takes skill. Full stop.

If you need money, then a job that provides that income and is attainable is the route to take. You can always change jobs. Just make sure what you do moves you closer to your goal in the long-term.

[vapid jay]

Hey yall, looking to know how to start preparing GSoC especially in data science, as thats also what i'll be doing in uni. Could some of yall guide me into what i should start doing? already know quite a bit in python, am pretty knowlegable in html css and processing.js

[balmy mural]

For example, here in South Africa 2500 is far above junior salary levels. You'll find senior level devs working for that salary. Payscale puts the bottom 10% of senior dev salaries at approximately 1700 per month

[glossy rose]

Wah

[last moat]

i am getting treatment since 2016 and i am just 25. diagnosed with cptsd and psychosis. i made some money from freelancing as python developer in last 4 years but i am not growing. whenever i try to learn/improve skills i lose focus. i used to think its just procrastination, but now i think its more than that. its my mental health, and there is no cure. i have dream of becoming good programmer but still i make no progress. i dont want to leave this field but i cant sit and let time pass

[cedar pollen]

No, you should do what you want, quitting now and doing what's easy will make you worse, give yourself a chance to do this, it will make you feel better.

[white relic]

Hello, please read the #rules and the channel description. This isn't a job board. I have deleted the advertisement.

[hearty island]

been getting into massive arguments with my dad lately. he doesn't want me to take an offer w lower compensation, so he just wants me to stay unemployed and wait till i get a similar offer

[near ocean]

That's silly, take the job even if it pays lower, nothing saying you cant keep searching afterwards

[hearty island]

right? i don't even understand the mental calculus it takes for him to say the things he does

[storm orbit]

Hello

[near ocean]

Know a person who was making bags of money working for a big bank until it went under, they refused to get lower paying jobs and waited for another high paying job, blew through 50k (their severance) until they got it

And it took them 7-8 months

[hearty island]

like for full context, it's UBS in tennessee that's like ok if you manage to clear 2 rounds of interviews, you'd start in july for $60K ish

[storm orbit]

Uhm, i guess its not the channel to say helllo

[hearty island]

i'm making around ballpark $80K rn, but if i need to take a paycut to stay employed, fuck it i'll do it

[near ocean]

Are you taking on extra costs for this new job
Not that it matters, no pay is worse than little pay

[hearty island]

relocation unfortunately - i'm currently in NY rn

brother i don't see a downside to continued employment

[near ocean]

Why does your dad? Does he want you close? Maybe theyre not financial or career reasons but personal

[wraith harbor]

with cost of living differences it might not even be that big of a pay difference

[hearty island]

no he thinks that his best way is the best way. he's extremely far from the job market atm, he doesn't understand

[dapper mantle]

Off channel is one of them to say hello or python discussion

[hearty island]

https://tenor.com/view/calculus-cat-cat-math-studying-cat-gif-23164559 this is my dad rn

[near ocean]

It could be that he's stubborn like many oldheads, but i'd ask why either way

[hearty island]

no he said it's "purely financial" and "nobody takes offers that lower their salary"

[wraith harbor]

but youre currently making $0, no?

[near ocean]

But youre unemployed, you have no salary right now

[hearty island]

i have a gig that'll get cut in july. i know for sure. director warned all of us on a call

[wraith harbor]

either way going from $80k to $60k is a lot better than $80k to $0. and if youre in nyc the cost of living in tennessee should be a lot lower

[hearty island]

the full context of the situation is that i work for a firm that is basically the SEC's brain child. we've hired a consulting firm to cut us and dissolve us back into the SEC.

[near ocean]

UBS has some prestige attached, you'll have to deal with relocation twice tho, im assuming you dont want to stay in Tennessee

[hearty island]

probably will stay for a year or two, UBS would be a good opportunity to see what it's like out there

i just don't see why i should turn down an opportunity to stay employed

[near ocean]

July is still some time away, maybe he's trying to urge you not to settle for less earlier

[hearty island]

i can't last on hope man, the car payments, the student loan interest, everything is not slowing down just bc i won't have a job come july

if i stick around with zero income coming in and nothing on my resume, i create a job gap that i'm gonna need to explain too

[wraith harbor]

moving kinda sucks but i hope it works out for you. again i havent ran the numbers but i would guess with lower taxes and lower rent you might not even be taking home less money

[hearty island]

yea, Tennessee might have a lower CoL than NY

"In Nassau County, NY you’ll need a household income of:

$69,628.51

The cost of living is 39% higher."

[near ocean]

Maybe you should put it in a way your dad understands, is he going to finance all your bills while you search? If no, then go for UBS

[remote dagger]

import random, time
compte_bancaire = random.randint(20, 80)
while True:
print('vous avez actuellement', compte_bancaire, 'euros')
compte_bancaire += random.randint(12, 36) * 10
time.sleep(1)

My new code gives you free money

[hearty island]

got it

[white relic]

1. You should be prepared for the possibility that you can't convince your dad to agree with you. At the end of the day you have to make a decision that you can live with and he may not like it. Don't make convincing others your first priority; prioritize making the best decision you can for your future.
2. If you can, wait as long as possible and try to get more offers before making a decision. The more information you have the better. Just don't wait so long that you lose a good opportunity. Perfect is the enemy of good.
3. NY is definitely more expensive than TN but how much may depend on where you live, commuting costs, etc. If you have a car payment I'm assuming you have a car, so you can probably live cheaper farther away from the city, but you'll be paying more for gas etc. Idk where UBS is, it might not be that expensive. Just be aware you'll be spending money differently, not just less but probably on different things and in ways you may not yet anticipate.
   Best of luck with this decision.

[white relic]

@hearty island fake reply ^

[hearty island]

thanks trent

our voluntary buyout/severance expires by jul 11th

[white relic]

I actually know someone who moved from brooklyn to Staten island and then Nashville a few years ago maybe I can ask them for some thoughts on the col

[hearty island]

sounds good

[white relic]

my distant in-laws say they took a 50% cut to their household income and with the col decrease it came out about even.
They lived in Staten Island before so I'm guessing that is a bit more expensive than your reference. They moved to Murfreesboro

So a 25% income decrease might be actually better on average

They owned their house though I think so

[final marsh]

[hearty island]

gotcha

[lyric kelp]

hi i am trying to learn python can you guys suggest me the best way to learn it ?

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[lyric kelp]

thnx

[modest venture]

I wanna find a good partners for our project

[vapid jay]

hey guys

[peak halo]

I love the cat, but you should post that in an off topic channel

[vapid jay]

i didn't see that

[vapid jay]

What type of project...on python?

[vapid jay]

hi people

[hearty island]

if these back office roles don't work out, should i shoot for a business intelligence role?
i have quite a few roles on my resume that were very similar
i don't see why i shouldn't cross domain
get out of financial regulation asap
open to feedback ofc

[strong nexus]

Hello, people!

[neon owl]

Hi!

Oh wait, I just realized how late I was to that reply...

[vague cobalt]

Hi guys can I learn python here?

[grizzled stag]

yeh bruh

even i am new here and i am intermediate in python

[coral trench]

hey anyone want to work on a flask related python library I am the maintainer of feel free to dm me

[vapid jay]

hi

[viscid walrus]

hey people- are you guys all pro in coding and tech stuffs?

[smoky quest]

some are, some aren't

[peak galleon]

why do people use django with python?

[proud glacier]

Hi, this channel is for questions about careers. You can ask general Python questions in #python-discussion.

[peak galleon]

ok cool

[viscid walrus]

Are you?

[smoky quest]

maybe.
What would you ask these people if they were to exist?

[viscid walrus]

How have you started?

[smoky quest]

I started through a degree, as a degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[peak galleon]

people who are in colleges do not have degrees yet so howd the start?

[smoky quest]

there are many free resources like https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

[smoky quest]

to get into college, you will need great grades. They will teach you how to code once you get in.

[peak galleon]

im in college but in mean time i wanna practice some codin by my own...

[smoky quest]

There are a few avenues like:

• Dig deeper in the school projects. Don't just stop at what the teacher is asking. go further
• Make projects about what you are interested in. Try new things and learn about new fields

[viscid walrus]

Well, I am a medical aspirant but here out of my passion:")

[peak galleon]

yeah im currently workin on school projects and ther are very begginer friendly thats why i wanna go some deep into coding by my own thats why im thinking of what field i should study

[smoky quest]

nice!

[smoky quest]

• Look at projects in each topic of your classes
• There are lists like https://github.com/catsmells/pro-g-ramming_challenges

[peak galleon]

may i ask on which fiels you are studuying on...?

[peak galleon]

ok imma check

[smoky quest]

you may ask, but I like to keep an air of mystery

[open atlas]

Hi

Is there general of chat?

[proud glacier]

#python-discussion for general talk about Python.
then we have three offtopic channels.

[open atlas]

Im new so I was gonna ask from tips and simple codes

[wind pike]

hi

anyone can explain the main differences between software engineering and software development

[loud depot]

nik matkom

[robust ravine]

I'm developing a game in Unity. I used a NavMeshAgent to make the enemy follow the player, but the enemy ends up floating or flying instead of staying on the ground. i need help

[still condor]

you're on the wrong server, but you can ask in one of the off-topic channels

[empty bear]

Can somebody suggest to me on how to build logical thinking

I started learning python a week before and I completed the basic concepts so now I want to have a good knowledge/practice about those basic topic so I am building some small projects like to do list ,train ticket book etc suggest some more

[fair nimbus]

the best way to learn is to practice what you have learned, just ask chat gpt or blackbox for some small projects to work on

[heavy wadi]

Hi

[chrome light]

yo pog wassup

[heavy wadi]

Not much you

[chrome light]

yea Nothin much I like ur cat in the pfp

[white relic]

this channel is for career advice and discussion

[heavy wadi]

Ty it’s mine I like yours

[heavy wadi]

Shush doughnut

[white relic]

we have off topic channels, please use one of those for general chatter

[heavy wadi]

Ok

[chrome light]

It's not mine 💔🙏🏽

[chrome light]

Sorry

[white relic]

it's cool

[vapid jay]

im planning to get started with ml in python

but i don't know where to start

[balmy mural]

If you already have the basic concepts of Python down, I'd suggest starting with Kaggle's Into to ML and its follow up courses. It's a nice structured introduction into ML that covers the basics
https://www.kaggle.com/learn/intro-to-machine-learning

[inner wren]

Click here to see this code in our pastebin.

[left storm]

So, I am a bit stuck in a rut here. You might call it tutorial hell. I want to go into backend developing and work in that environment but I don't want to start yet another turorial... Are there any good bootcamps or are they ALL dogshit? Seems like programmers never like any code I ask about.

[buoyant seal]

Build stuff for yourself of some communities 😋 Practice matters. This article contains advices to help choosing projects
it would help if u picked tech stack similar to job role u wish though

Seems like programmers never like any code I ask about.
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
Learn writing in high quality with implementing unit testing properly 😋 which u can learn just actually by reading books and attempting to implement it in your projects
And writing it in maintainable way in general https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction
Write proper documentation to it and CI in Github actions for automated testing and building and even deployment, and it should be surely more appreciatable
Attempt to implement proper monitoring with grafana stack to it for even more impressive high quality of simplified debugging
Devs value comfort of development, maintainability of the result

[left storm]

Sorry, I didn't mean to write "code" I meant "courses".

[buoyant seal]

ops.

[left storm]

I know that practice matters, but I find it hard to see what I can or should do and learn the necessary technologies, it's more a motivational problem and that's why I'd like to go with a bootcamp and get it done with. I am irking around for 3 years now...

I am a horrible learner if I don't have guidance.

[buoyant seal]

Well, i am not a course person, but i would say if u want them that much and not for free, check them at Udemy/Coursera place.
The point is it is having High level of competion among its authors in an open way, so it should be having something good theoretically.
So u should be able to navigate smth popular with good reviews, with good previews to understand u like specific one

[left storm]

I do have udemy but that is more like youtube tutorials.

[buoyant seal]

Shrugs. i use regular text tutorials i can find for free, official documentation and reading books

almost never using youtube tutorials because they are full of water, and i die (Almost Always) out of boredom at 5th minute of watching yt tutorial

[left storm]

Yes, there is a lot of mateiral, and I am not saying that udemy is so good. I am just saying htat udemy is the same as a free tutorial except you pay. It's not a bootcamp. Bootcamp is guidance and hard structure.

[left storm]

Haha very true I know exactly what you mean. But I powered through a few, I even did some work on codecademy, but I don't know. I never feel like I am getting anywhere with it.

[buoyant seal]

try other types of learning, find out what works for you.
Try actually using from official docs "Getting started"
try reading books i recommended
try just navigating through text tutorials

I would say books are awesome at least in the perspective of being able to give FAR MORE in depth material than any video can, and in a structured way

may be youtube videos aren't the answer for you 😉 (certainly it is not for me at least)

[left storm]

Hm thanks for the help 🙂

[fringe sphinx]

The thing is: programmers are fickle creatures. Good engineers are critical and can a flaw in any design. Don't worry about criticism, embrace it. No matter what you do, you'll get feedback.

[fringe sphinx]

To become a competent developer: Step 1: pick a topic you know nothing about. Step 2; build a project that uses that topic. Step 3: ask 'why' until you understand it. Step 4: go to step 1

[left storm]

So the best way to learn is to just build projects? I mean, yeah, all courses do some sort of projects with you, but I thought a bootcamp might be cool because it takes you by the hand, gives you the RIGHT projects to practice with (to expediate your learning) and prepares you for real world environments. Maybe not perfect, but somewhat?

I mean that's the only reason why I thought of bootcamps.

But yeah, maybe I was just doing it wrong in the past. I don't know.

[sudden cosmos]

print("Hi")
print("About me' ' ':)
print("I'm 25 years old.)"

ez

[teal flare]

Hi

[stable fox]

Thanks I guess ❤️🤣

[near mauve]

Hello, How are you?

[thick island]

bro

[vapid jay]

@buoyant seal why dont you start thinking about some business rules and what they need? here in Brazil, our universities put us to go find what peoples needs and we study these needs and use as projects. and dude, u can make things for Discord as projects too. Maybe u should think whats do u wanna build or whats people need u to build
anyway good luck!

[fringe sphinx]

That's my belief. You need to accumulate diverse experience to build a foundation.... there's no perfect 'path', everyone I know has learned different things: the one thing in common is that each of them have learned lots of different things.

[fringe sphinx]

I also believe in purposeful studying, as part of a project. Don't just do - seek out good information. Along with this: I try to force myself to continually learn about new topics. PyCon and Europython conference videos are a great source of this

[pearl sluice]

Can anyone pls suggest me some web application related project topics for my MCA mini project

[buoyant seal]

I was recommending to become part of some communities, gaming communities or other ones to find out needs of people https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html
And from learning some user interface technologies to go from there
Projects made like that can be having long life of new feature and bug requests

Just trying to make projects in business like way is a bad idea of overengineering and uselessness of a project.
And usually projects made like that have no life beyond some first attemps of implementation

[granite terrace]

!global

!global

[proud glacier]

@granite terrace if you want to try out bot commands, please do so in #bot-commands so it doesn't clutter up a discusssion channel. Thanks!

[granite terrace]

oh mb!

[open atlas]

Hi

[pale mountain]

Hi

[peak halo]

@open atlas @pale mountain hello, this is the career discussion channel. please go to #python-discussion to talk about python.

[pale mountain]

Thanks

But Hi isn't exactly a topic. It's a general greeting

[tardy kite]

they're working as cashiers, and they wanna improve their greeting skills

cashiering is a career

[pale mountain]

You need to improve your skill to greet people? Can't imagine how terrible childhood you had, couldn't get a chance to know how to greet people. how pathetic!!

[near ocean]

The topic for the channel is careers, a general greeting doesnt fit the topic and it scrolls the chat up, if you want to just say hi and not follow up you can use offtopic channels

[hearty island]

well this is strange

[grim valley]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[open ivy]

Yes a cashier is a career. If anyone works a non-technical job and wants to transition to tech feel free to discuss the challenges of fitting in tech projects and learning into a busy schedule.

Cashier is unskilled in terms of the actual tasks. But it needs social skills. Oh, and endurance. These are the strongest selling points and are important tech.

Unskilled jobs that also don't need social skills are pretty rare honestly these days.

[tardy kite]

we need a alignment chart of jobs based off skill and sociality

programming is def a lot of skill and no sociality

[proud glacier]

not really true

[tardy kite]

i mean 1-1 interaction

programmers just spend all their time on their computer

[proud glacier]

it's not (always) customer-facing, but you still need to interact with people like your managers, your coworkers, etc. you need to function well in a team.

[tardy kite]

yea but theres also indie

[proud glacier]

the idea of programming being an antisocial's job is kind of an outdated stereotype/fantasy

[tardy kite]

idk much about it lol

im still kinda young n new at programming, especially python

[open ivy]

Programming is moderate in sociality. And high in either tech (if you want to dig into, say, the weights behind and AI and learn how it all works), or business (if you want to use off-the-shelf tools to make an app that solves a particular problem humans face).

Cashier is very high in sociality.

[tardy kite]

yeah

i mean cashiering is literally being in the same place for hours and scanning items while people are makng small-talk

tho if you ask me self-checkout is better cus i dont get to talk to anyone😎

[next plover]

its usually not that easy unfortunately

[open ivy]

What happens when more and more people are non-social regardless of programming?

Instinct hijacking: Why streamers use "we". I like Minecraft and I like Hermit-Craft. But when they say "welcome viewers" and "we did it" after they built a big base, it feels odd to me. Because I didn't do anything and they don't even know I exist. I watch it for the content, not for the person. The people I care about are those who know me at some level, even if just as an online acquaintance. Because of this distance, I preferred the series when it was less about the people's social affairs and more about Decked Out and other cool things they make.

However, people keep telling me "I think differently" "I am neurodivergent" (a word no one can even define except that it is different...somehow), and are otherwise unusual.

So in light of evolutionary biology the fake inclusive "we" makes perfect sense. We evolved in a world where electromagnetism was a mysterious enchantment magic rare in day-to-day life. In such a world, hearing a voice and seeing a moving face meant they were physically present. Watching a video is easy and safe, no worries about being shamed, rejected, etc. And much easier than actually meeting people, even online.

So getting a job, a fundamentally social task, in an era where people are more and more non-social, takes a combination of working around or preventing instinct hijacking as well as finding others who are doing so as well. Not easy, but by thinking of this as the biggest task and planning your days around "beating" it it can still be done.

[open ivy]

Standing all day does NOT sound easy. Dealing with angry customers, shoplifters, etc does NOT sound easy either.

Honestly the occasional technical difficulities don't sound like nearly as big an issue as the relentless hours of doing the same thing with who-knows-what person tempers minefields.

[agile moat]

Hey there, I am a very beginner. And don't know where to start, so if could anyone recommend me a free intensive course for python.

[open ivy]

Make friends who love programming. Then ask them for help and pointers to materials. Both social and technical matters for jobs. It will take you years to get a job from such a cold start but can be done.

[agile moat]

Okay, thanks for your advice.

[teal flare]

Hello, everyone!!!

[next plover]

its very mentally draining, i was a shift lead for a few years

im much happier in cybersecurity i cant lie although it would be hard to be unhappy considering the pay difference

[wraith harbor]

since you asked for a course, try this one https://cs50.harvard.edu/python/2022/

[agile moat]

This will make me get the basics ?

[open ivy]

I cannot ever be in a situation where a job I dislike is that mentally draining.

Because it will eventually be impossible for me to continue. I will have to set boundaries, dissociate, etc or do something that reduces the load.

But what if I needed to work at full capacity? Smokers really need to quit smoking but many don't. The same would happen to me.

[wraith harbor]

yeah it will teach you the basics, just make sure to do the projects and questions they give you. its challenging but it will pay off

[open ivy]

Anyone here balance tech projects with a full-time cashier or other service job? I don't need to thankfully, but your tips would be helpful for others.

[agile moat]

Okay thank you very much🤍

[next plover]

i did, usuallly worked 4 - 10 PM then coded at night

sacrificed my sleep and sanity but worth it, homework in highschool was overrated anyways

[round fable]

You have more free time than you might think, if you remove unnecessary activities like doom scrolling, watching TV, etc

(Assuming you have a 9-5 or something equivalent)

[white relic]

all jobs, even the most thrilling, meaning-filled ones are draining in some way.
that's why people get paid to do them

[open ivy]

True, I fight and fight against doomscrolling so it does free up time.

"I am too tired to do anything" Ok what if you don't do anything, like no doomscrolling, when that happens? Maybe that would reset the brain faster than the barrage of info that is doomscrolling?

[round fable]

You have to train your 'stamina' just like anything else you want to improve. If you're consistent you'll find your tiredness threshold goes up

[balmy mural]

It's a bit different, but I'm currently working in tech full time while studying Dutch in my free time instead of doing tech projects, as I believe that would help me more in the short term currently.
I have dedicated time set aside each day to spend on Dutch with some more time during the weekend. Having that dedicated time set aside helps me to keep studying even on days I don't feel very excited about it.

[tough sky]

It feels harsh

[white relic]

In what way is it harsh?

[remote crater]

Just choose a different career path, get out while you still can. Every available job wants you to have some random obscure languages by the balls which you've probably never used because colleges only teach Java and Python and C/C++. You need to be an expert at like ten different frameworks which you would have no reason to ever look at as a solo hobby developer. They'll reject you unless you can instantly solve their deranged time complexity riddles, some of which are pretty much impossible unless you randomly happen to already know about shitfuckski's algorithm. Choose a different career path, don't waste your time on software development.

Or at least don't try unless you're like 130+ IQ. It's becoming one of those types of fields where you need to be like a cutting edge badass to make it.

[balmy mural]

None of this is true. Java is widely used in enterprise systems. Python is widely used across a lot of different domains. C and C++ are less common in jobs in my area, but not non existent. Still more common than random niche obscure languages.

[floral monolith]

hey today i am not selected in interview and now my mood is like do not complet your today task it say like this so what i do need tip

[white relic]

Would you care to cite any sources or are you just rambling?

[remote crater]

Basically every job listing you'll see.

[wraith harbor]

its not supposed to be easy to get a programming job, not sure what makes you think otherwise

you make 6 figures typing on the computer

[floral monolith]

?

[remote crater]

not sure what makes you think otherwise
They pushed "we need developers, just learn to code, anyone can do it" like crazy about 5 years ago. Unfortunately a lot of us fell for it.

[white relic]

5 years ago there was a big boom. There was a sudden need, related to a worldwide crisis, you might have heard about it

I'm wondering who "they" is though

[balmy mural]

I clicked on the first 3 job postings when searching for software engineer on a job board. Languages required is:

1. Golang, JavaScript, Python
2. C#, Javascript
3. Java, Javascript, C/C++
   None of these are niche. Where can I find all of these job postings you claim to find?

If every job posting required you to work with niche languages, they'd no longer be niche languages

[white relic]

Many people unfortunately have fallen into a social media echo chamber that pushes the idea you can just skip education and hustle your way to a successful career by knowing how to code

[wraith harbor]

i do agree the job market is challenging and i sympathize with everyone struggling to get their first job. im sorry if you were led to believe it would be super easy

[digital fjord]

I wish every job required its own niche language, that'd be so cool.

[white relic]

if that's what we're talking about, it's never really been true, but it's less true now than ever

[balmy mural]

Would be pretty interesting job hopping if you had to learn a whole new language from the ground up each time. I'd hope some principles carry over from some jobs to other jobs at least 😅

[remote crater]

Education doesn't help you, college doesn't teach you anything. You don't learn anything that makes you more employable while getting a CS degree. It's a waste of time. The only thing it might do is stimulate HR worker neurons when they see it listed on your resume.

[white relic]

so uh
how's that not wasting time working out for you then?

or do you have a cs degree?

[wraith harbor]

sometimes i wish i became a doctor. but then i think if i were a doctor i would wish i became a programmer.

[remote crater]

Companies don't want to train you or work with you. If you already know a bunch of languages, you could probably get the hold of one more, but companies only want to hire people who already totally know have it down. They don't want to hire someone who will have to look up documentation every so often for the first month or so on the job.

That's why they say things like "5+ years of professional experience". They don't want someone who's taken some time to learn golang syntax or w/e, they want someone who has totally down and can hit the ground running.

[white relic]

an opening for 5+ years of professional experience is not a junior position

[balmy mural]

5+ YoE is not entry level.

[remote crater]

Yeah, it's an internship.

[white relic]

You're not making sense.

[pine sleet]

internships are entry level

[balmy mural]

I was responding to the hypothetical of every company using their own niche language, but companies do train people as well. That's what internships are for. My company specifically also trains people for about a month before they get placed on projects, and there's continued training throughout the first year you join the company that you're required to do

This required training does not happen outside of work hours, it is done on the clock at the cost of the company

[pine sleet]

is this the same person that did nothing outside of class during their cs degree

[wraith harbor]

please show me a single internship that requires 5+ yoe

[remote crater]

Yeah. It doesn't teach you anything. See above how the other user even agrees with me. It doesn't teach you anything, you're better off just looking up "what to learn to make me employable" instead of wasting time getting scammed by the local college.

[pine sleet]

ok so it is

you need to be taking initative. college is what you make of it
its only a scam if you let it be

there are lots of interesting classes, clubs, organizations, and networking oppurtunities for you to take advantage of

[balmy mural]

Who's agreeing with you that university doesn't teach you anything? Hopefully you're not referring to me because of our company providing additional training to new developers

[pine sleet]

if you did none of that, then that's on you and you don't get to blame university for not teaching you anything. it teaches you plenty, one just needs to listen

[remote crater]

It's a scam because it doesn't make you employable. If you go to college for accounting or something, you'll come out of it job-ready. This isn't the case with a CS degree.

[white relic]

Many people do agree with you, they are all wrong.

[pine sleet]

it does make you employable. the unemployment rate for CS is like, 6%

[balmy mural]

I came out of it job ready. The massive majority of people holding a cs degree have a job. It's probably one of the degrees with the lowest unemployment rate

[pine sleet]

unemployment rate*

i'd be scared if it had a low employment rate :P

[wraith harbor]

if all you have on your resume is your degree and a "skills" section and a few homework projects, it will be much harder for you to find a job.

[balmy mural]

Oops. Yea xD

[pine sleet]

like this is just a statistically invalid take

[next plover]

getting a degree gets you past HR, being good gets you the job

[remote crater]

So does it make you employable, or is it not enough and you also need to do a ton of self-training to actually be ready?

[next plover]

the market is so competitive you need to be grinding outside of school

[pine sleet]

you need both. you need both theory and practice, as with any field

[white relic]

nobody said that university is a trade school

[pine sleet]

theory without practice and practice without theory and all that

[white relic]

Most BS degrees don't make you "job ready" lol

[balmy mural]

It teaches you the bare minimum. If all of your peers also do that PLUS spend a lot of additional time on projects, of course they'll be more employable than you

[next plover]

id argue most degrees of any kind dont

[white relic]

BS
pun intended?

[deft herald]

Yeah it gives you the bare minimum to be employed (thanks @balmy mural ). This includes non-technical skills like professional writing and communication, working in a team environment, project management, being able to do research, etc etc

[white relic]

I agree with the emacs user.
the idea that "other degrees" drop you into the workforce ready to go and CS is a scam because it doesn't, isn't a take based in reality

[deft herald]

Any engineering field will have a heavy weight on practical internship experience too

[next plover]

every job is in a bad position CS / tech is just very competitive because of that stupid bullshit all the colleges were saying "there are an estimated 378946238743 unfilled jobs by 2026" so now everyone is mass applying to every job they see

at least that was my situation in cybersecurity, thank the lord my associates degree was enough 🙏

[wraith harbor]

on the other hand though most people doing that are severely underqualified

[remote crater]

How is it simultaneously a hyper competitive nightmare AND a field with a crazily low unemployment rate? That seems pretty contradictory.

[next plover]

i dont know about the employment rates specifically, i know its very hard finding any kind of job right now

im not sure where the stats come from could anyone cite the unemployment rates?

[remote crater]

The other user was saying the unemployment rate is really low.

[deft herald]

Not really. Both things point to a low inventory of job openings

[next plover]

some people here arent even out of college so just keep this in mind

[deft herald]

oh wait crazy low unemployment? Says who?

I still don't think it's contradictory. It just means there's a low number of entry level jobs

[next plover]

There is bad news for computer science and computer engineering graduates, some of the most popular streams of study in the US. The unemployment rates for computer science and computer engineering at 6.1% and 7.5%, respectively, and are significantly higher than the national average.

According to a recent Federal Reserve Bank of New York review of college graduates’ labor market outcomes by major, majors in philosophy, art history, and nutrition all performed better in terms of career chances than STEM subjects, reports CNBC.
what do we think of this chat

[remote crater]

6% is high?

[wraith harbor]

im reading this report right now and im learning i have no idea how it works