#career-advice

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fringe sphinx
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Except maybe the lawyer

deft herald
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The lawyer bro is one of my favorite characters haha

fringe sphinx
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I meant the other lawyer. But loved them both

deft herald
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OH yeah the guy that keeps going to jail. He's hilarious too lol

fringe sphinx
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They genuinely did a great job of startup culture

modest kraken
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Maybe I should watch it

fathom ember
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hey guys, just graduated with an information systems degree.

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any recomendations on getting a job in a data analyst, business analyst, or even database admin roles?

rotund kindle
fathom ember
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Texas at Arlington!

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@rotund kindle

rotund kindle
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You from USA?

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@fathom ember

pine sleet
fathom ember
pine sleet
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i too go to school in texas

fathom ember
pine sleet
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A&M

fathom ember
pine sleet
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might be better at UT or gtech or similar

fathom ember
white relic
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UT is a good school

balmy mural
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What would you like to ask? I don't currently live, but have been there multiple times and on track to move there within the next year

still jetty
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How is the mentality there? And is studying there good? Thank you for answering:)

young swallow
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cc

hearty island
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(french IB)

prisma beacon
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hi there - i am an engineerig student who just graduated and i just wanna share this asking you guys for suggestions based on reality with no scarcasm . i passed out as an electronics and cmmmunications graduate but i wanted to enter the market as a programmer so i started learning web devlopment and i am still honing my skills but the reality check i got after learning the status of web dev in indian market and the incredible amount of skills a good starting position as a fresher would cost. i got overwhelmed by it and this is the end of it .i tried applying for low pay job roles even qualified for them but honestly i am not satisfied . i am here for guidance on what would be a better option to move into judging market trends and all. Thank you

lilac yoke
# prisma beacon hi there - i am an engineerig student who just graduated and i just wanna share ...

everyone is vastly overqualified to be an entry level web developer, yet everyone is struggling to a job as an entry level web developer. in my mind, you have three choices:

  1. go back to college and do computer science, try to get several internships before graduating

  2. do not try to become a developer, pivot to anything else.. project manager, IT support, networking (get a CCNA cert), IT sales, etc

  3. Enter the freelance world, try to get real customers (even for free) to build up a portfolio until you have enough experience (1-2 years, tons of live projects you can point too)

I would mostly consider option 2, but if you think engineering is your passion and you are able to have housing/food covered, do 3.

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smoky quest
# prisma beacon hi there - i am an engineerig student who just graduated and i just wanna share ...

you can't improve what you can't measure.
So you have first to understand how you stand comparing to the market. Ask your peers, ask other folks you know in the industry and feel free to post an anonymized version of your resume.

Look at it as a sales pipeline where you sell yourself. There are multiple steps to get a job, from showing your ad (ie. your resume), going through the initial screel, interviews, etc. So you need to establish where you are failing at

And this is going to be brutal either way. So build resilience. Make sure you remain healthy and continue to hone your skills

edgy hazel
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bu

prisma beacon
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outer lichen
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Why is this community lgtv flag

near ocean
outer lichen
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I want a guy to sleep with

near ocean
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The topic for this channel is careers, its really not that hard to follow simple rules

white relic
outer lichen
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I see lgbt flag, i post lgbt things

vast shoal
glossy cobalt
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Yo guys who can help me on Python

vast shoal
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edgy hazel
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Is there a way to get python on mobile like replit

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like is python code editor working

near ocean
storm shuttle
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Hi all, i know that maybe this is not the best place to ask but i have a guestion about my career future. I am already learning Python (Flask, Web developong, working with pandas, SQL etc) for 6 years and i have a chance to start learning Java EE and Java SE (Spring), and i am looking forward to work in Europe/USA companies in future. Is it worth learning? Or should i focus on continuing learning Python in the next 12 month (I have this amount of time to learn and find a job)

buoyant seal
# storm shuttle Hi all, i know that maybe this is not the best place to ask but i have a guestio...

Sure it is worth learning Java/Go/Kotlin in order to write more quality code that easier to refactor and maintain.
To write code that has no problems to utilize multithreading and virtual threads to take advantage of existing hardware to full capacity.

I will mention though that Spring+Boot itself is rumored to be a very not pleasant experience at all, and by same rumours it can be more enjoyable to use thing like Quarkus instead as this solution is more concentrated onto making things nice for development, and made from scratch to put Spring stuff behind.

kindred oyster
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<@&831776746206265384> ......are we supposed to ping for names like this ?

radiant vortex
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yes thank you

atomic merlin
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grave sun
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why lgbtq flag is on server

vast shoal
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inner wrenBOT
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Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

atomic merlin
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All right.

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lapis wind
# atomic merlin Can you do it?

No, that wasn't me being interested in the offer. That was me saying you pay far too low for people to be interested, even if it was allowed here

vast shoal
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You should stop if you want to continue having access to the server.

atomic merlin
fringe sphinx
# atomic merlin Kidding me?

As explained, we don't allow recruiting/offers of payment/etc. Appreciate it. If you want to learn how to do it, we're happy to answer any questions tho.

atomic merlin
fringe sphinx
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No, and it's off-topic and we also don't discuss malware here. Deleted,. thx

lapis wind
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nothing like script kiddy batch scripts

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lapis wind
# atomic merlin Kidding me?

hiring good developers are expensive, at my old job our rates started at €120/hr. I don't do contracting now, but either you hire someone super cheap from Fiverr and take the risk that they don't know what they're doing, or pay the price

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placid geyser
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for an entry or junior level job, but not even close to a senior or higher

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10/hr is like retail/service/hospitality

placid geyser
# ocean pawn Im at #2 what are IT sales like what's sold or what type job is that

IT sales i a very broad category and with multiple aspects to it. There would be the hardware side of things or software as two big components. There are lots of resellers especially in the hardware side of things or 'valueadd' type of sellers. And you can either be in the 'technical sales consulting' type role where you offer the technical or even architecture design services for a customer to buy what your company is selling. or you are the "sales sales" type. So like as a slightly more specific example you might be a sales person for a company that is an oracle partner. Or even your company has a software platform that runs on Oracle and your job as sales would be to sell your own cloud offering of your hosted application to customers or offer your software within the oracle CI. And all the fun stuff that goes along with doing that. hopefully that makes a little sense or gives an idea at least

next plover
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tbh that still doesnt sound great

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or its just very expensive to live in the US

quick pawn
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i am shit in python dsa and i am from india i need to improve on dsa to crack interview and do cp
help me on which course helps me??
i am soo stupid that i see the soultion and copypaste it and put explanation in chatgpt and read it

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pls help me
i have 4000 rs to spend money on a course or yearly subscription...

next plover
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oh ic

robust merlin
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Guys, I blundered an interview today so bad. Need help to get master the concept of OOP, any road map tips?

robust merlin
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# quick pawn pls help me i have 4000 rs to spend money on a course or yearly subscription...

I would suggest you try strivers DSA playlist in YouTube. If you don't try to solve the problem yourself and try to code yourself, no expensive course can help, try to learn and build strong fundamentals.

Personally, I like the strivers way of teaching, check it out and try hard to solve the problem all by yourself, it would be hard at first but you will see significant progress. Consistency is the key

safe thistle
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can someone help me with a simple python code

robust merlin
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i dmed you @robust merlin

fringe sphinx
ocean pawn
# placid geyser IT sales i a very broad category and with multiple aspects to it. There would b...

It does I always think about a software sales type of thing, I don't really know what oracle is but yeah I've been trying to find something I could create and sell, no experience with cloud hosting yet I know it just costs money to use atleast. My first ideas kinda been apps that pull from openai etc but yk that costs keys/API uses, other ideas related to generation type of apps with some ml I make but even that will require some cloud storage hosting, at that point I'm just thinking of learning some aws or azure cloud and using the ml skills to make a project and try to get a job lol

placid geyser
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problem with statistics and how functionally meaningless they are tbh. Like they did they do that analysis 2 weeks after Alphabet laid off thousdands of people? what are the data sources? and what is the scope of the source?

pine sleet
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wdym "90% of the stuff I studied" which major did you do?

placid geyser
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nah, its so easy to just copy paste stuff, especially if you are seeing the same post copy pastad.

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but again, what does it matter? like what relevance does it even have for you or in general if it is true or not?

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yes exactly, do you have a job?

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so then, what does it matter if the unemployment rate of our field of work is any number at all? and yes I tracked down the post and its the federal reserve.

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well if it is something you want to keep an eye on why not look into it directly? because a vague 'whats going on' isnt going to give you much.

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national unenmployment rate is 4.2% currently

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well it is also for recent grads only which actually is a very different metric

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What that means for IT/engineering is there are a lot of skilled workers that are more skilled than college graduates and so the competition is higher is the most likely of reasons in this case. Which is quite common for fresh graduates regardless of field

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We dont have a ton either. Frankly due to the fact that its easier to keep and fill junior roles than senior and higher.

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I mean is it really that sus though? the more interesting part of that data is actually the bottom of the list.

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well outperforming is the wrong word for that because this is a scope of recent grads with no comparison of exact numbers.

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because it can be as simple as "there are more open jobs" etc.
not to mention the fact that the avg salary of comp sci is still 2x the arts

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lol yea the limit can be a rit rough.
rest of the columns for the top

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placid geyser
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given the low age range simply having just graduated (currently enrolled were excluded) is a factor in general across the board. Though it is noteworthy more-so with the other end of the chart like I mentioned
imo

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it sure can. There can also be red herrings like during covid where news was saying how so many people were 'leaving the job market' for example

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I mean, I didnt go to college and feel and am quite employable lol. But I think also part of the issue here is how generalized some of those degrees are.

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like computer engineering can end up a LOT of different ways. some being more employable than others for sure

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just like how a BS in comp sci is very generic too so it's what your actual path was that matters a lot
I wonder what historical data looks like, good poiont

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Also braoder search def shows general news is touting the 'worst job market for grads in years' so it makes it difficult to separate the noise from fact

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Ah I see, the unemployment rate for recent grads across the board has gone up tooo... 5.8% it seems?

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though it is nothing like these other obvious times...

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placid geyser
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yea, because the 'all grads' is much lower and is actually much lower than the national average in general

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I mean data science is the next super hot topic so it could easily be the next thing at the top of that list next year whenever everyone jumps on the bandwagon. which is functionally what happened here to some degree.

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from what I understand data sciences are much more reliant on a degree for employment because its also one of the FOM things that everyone jumped on but lack the level of expertise from just picking it up on the side

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I mean ymmv for sure and I am not speaking from first hand experience in the DS realm

wraith harbor
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its pretty tough without a degree in comp sci at least, especially in the age of ATS

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oh nice. well if youre getting interviews its only a matter of time until it works out

placid geyser
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I mean having projects you have made is a common and valid suggestion in the dev and comp sci realm for sure

wraith harbor
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true

placid geyser
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undervaluing yourself certainly does help
or however one wants to phrase that

wraith harbor
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i just finished an interview and i kinda choked the salary negotiation. i rehearsed what i was gonna say but in the heat of the moment i couldnt do it

placid geyser
wraith harbor
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yeah you live and learn. ive still got time on my side so im not too upset

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Hi

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At least I'm happy in my current role and I enjoy software development. Landed a position at one of the biggest software companies in the country when I switched to looking for software dev jobs.
I'm very likely job hunting early next year if I emigrate though. So it may be worth taking three months later this year to create one or two nice data science focussed projects to be more marketable to those jobs as well in case I struggle with finding a dev position

placid geyser
# balmy mural At least I'm happy in my current role and I enjoy software development. Landed a...

Yea I mean if you are happy in your role that is important and of great benefit. IVe never actually been in software dev (and still technically not) my crareer has just shifted over the years and programming has been a side dable for some of it. And now its more up front with major shift to DevOps/CICD/etc
And Ive jumped in deeper on the hobby side of dev too and Im enjoying it. But I dont really know/think Im going to change careers into it.

lilac yoke
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It’s at best a good networking tool, you can start conversations with other highly regarded contributors to get references.

smoky quest
lapis wind
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OSS has been what built the majority of my network, and generally been the main way I've found new jobs, etc...

placid geyser
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I think it is very situation and OSS project dependent. Like to bschr's point. If you are doing major contributions to a larger project and are known among them that is one thing but just touching some repos or a single project unless it's ground breaking isn't going to be a big filler for your resume/portfolio. But it does have merits

modest kraken
smoky quest
# modest kraken might also just be because you're cracked

People don't contribute to OSS projects because they are cracked. However contributing and collaborating to projects, be it OSS or not, does correlate with improving your skills.

On top of that, you are already demonstrating skills related to the role by the very nature of your contributions and your interest by spending your time on that area.

If you are out of a job, it's a great way to spend your time and keep your mind out of commiserating over your situation by making tangible progress, learning new skills, collaborating with others.

still jetty
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subway

balmy mural
# still jetty Thanks for the answer!:) I think of studying there. How do they treat new people...

Dutch people very much stick to existing social circles. So unless you learn Dutch to a level where you'll comfortably be able to join in on conversations, you'll struggle to make meaningful connections with most locals. But in general, you won't be treated badly just because you're a new person to the country, and basically everyone can speak English, so having to learn Dutch isn't a must (although I'd highly reccomend it)
For studying methods, I can't answer that since I didn't personally go to university in eastern or western Europe. Fees will be higher, but other than that, I believe the quality of education and academic structure will be quite similar.

If you'd like to work in the Netherlands after you study, it's a good option since there's a reduced salary criterion for an HSM visa for the year after you finish your degree.
High and rising cost of living and housing crisis are two big things to also consider

balmy mural
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While I agree that no preventative screening sucks, healthcare seems to mainly be an issue for expats from what I see expats complain about vs talking to Dutch people myself. Healthcare is different, and most expats don't understand that they need to be very direct about their symptoms and what they want with the GPs.
My partner (Who is Dutch) has had some specific health issues through the years, and for anything serious, wether the GP knew it was outside of their expertise or from a bit of pushback from my partner after symptoms weren't improving after the first visit, they get referred to and see aspecialist within a short timeframe

jovial spire
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Whats up

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Partner has also lived in different cities in Netherlands, so this has been their experience with different GPs and not just one "lucky" GP

jovial spire
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Man so far this server sucks
No memes
And the profile for the server is lgbtq

balmy mural
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I would not consider it being too prideful if I've been to the GP with my partner before and directly seen them pushing back, asking for specialist, and getting referred

jovial spire
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Givin up on computer science tbh
Too much too study amd for what

A hard time to find a job?
And not the highest pay
Rip

balmy mural
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The Netherlands does also rank among top 10 countries in the world based on most metrics. So I do believe it's mainly expats who just don't understand the system and don't adjust their own approach

jovial spire
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Tbh this server doesnt seem like it has life in it

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Seems kinda bland

balmy mural
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I think we're swaying a bit off of what would be career discussion though. I'd be happy to continue this discussion later today in one of the off topic channels

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I'm in no way blaming expats. Just saying that I've seen it as a common trend from expats in online forums, but that doesn't seem to be the experience of the average Dutch person I talk to. In the same breath I can say it's condecending to call dutch people pridefull for not having the same issues.
Although I'm not an expat yet, I've spent a decent chunk of the past 3 years in NL, my partner currently lives in NL, and I will be emmigrating soon enough.

No, I have not seen a company doctor, but my partner has for burnout and had a good experience with the company doctor. Getting put on an integration plan, having checkups to make sure integration is going as planned, company doctor pushing back on my partner when my partner tried to scale up work hours too fast, and in the end fully being re-integrated into the company

vast shoal
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I feel like it's kind of a universal trait that people don't take it well when foreigners criticize their country.

vale frost
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Code in C

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Why is this server gae

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You an expat?

still jetty
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Ohh I see. I think Dutch culture is very different

vast shoal
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Yeah, I'm not saying it's a rational reaction. But I don't think it's particular to Dutch people.

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What I mean is that I don't think there are many cultures with the characteristic of taking critcism of their country by foreigners well

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So, not so much Dutch people are prideful, but rather, people are prideful

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I mean, it's easy to say as someone living as an expat, but I wonder if an expat from elsewhere living in your country would say the same thing

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I mean, your living experience makes you especially open-minded to these kinds of issues. But someone from your country who has never lived abroad may not be so open-minded. So you may not be very representative.

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vale frost
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Simply stating my own opinion 👍

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Embrace free speech but only if its liberal. Nice

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🤣

vast shoal
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I'm not saying you're wrong either. I just don't think it's an especially Dutch thing.

vale frost
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Embrace diversity bro
Always

vast shoal
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Sometimes a conversation is required just to figure out that you don't disagree with someone else.

vale frost
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Do yalldo leetcode

balmy mural
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Then I'll drive the convo a bit with a question. You said you were potentially moving to Denmark. Ignoring any reasons like healthcare and such, is Denmark specifically a better option for you in pursuit of being able to take long career breaks, or is there not much difference between the countries from that viewpoint?

vale frost
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Look sweden before and after mass migration

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brazen island
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You're back! how has the job in the NL been working out for you?

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brazen island
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As a consultant I interct with very large companies as well and it's rough...

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balmy mural
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I'm not looking forward to switching companies. I'm currently at a big company, but it doesn't feel corporate at all. I know that's far from the norm for big companies though. Wish I could stay with them for another 1-2 years before I have to switch

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Haven't worked at a startup though, so that might be a nice change of pace. I'd be interested in how it differs

near ocean
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😩😩😩 i have about a month to find new work before a 3x a week office policy kicks in

balmy mural
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From what I've read I don't think it'll be a great match for me, but I won't knock it till I try it

near ocean
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My first job was a startup and i didnt really appreciate the lack of mentor/manager
Current job is a pretty big company with roles set in stone and i dont get to touch other parts of the product like ops
Need to find a middle ground

vast shoal
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I'm at a medium-sized company and I feel like it's the sweet spot. Very little corporate red tape, but also stable and predictable.

balmy mural
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No mentor/manager would have sucked for me when I started. I some friends from uni who had that and they hated it. I think I'm at a level where I would be fine without a direct mentor though

brazen island
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I don't like it when I need to coordinate 3-4 continents to get 1 feature done at very big corporate clients

vale frost
brazen island
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Internally we're medium sized, or even small depending on how you look at it. It's really nice. Get to do everything from infra to ML/AI to backend/frontend

brazen island
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vast shoal
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If you want to talk about random topics, you can use the off-topic channels

still condor
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C for Career

vapid jay
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Even Beethoven wrote all of his stuff in C, and he had a great career.

vale frost
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🧠

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mighty ingot
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I am thinking of pursuing DS & AI for my Btech

Whats the job market for AI now and in 4 years?

dull abyss
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Want to learn python to leave the sales world, hate it!! I sale tech and have to understand how to use it but want to create it! Zero python code experience. Looking for real resources of people willing to learn together, hold accountable, and eventually have a real mentor!

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icy pagoda
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is currently good although the bar of entry is rising to more than bachelors

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often a masters/phd (for research roles) or very relevant/exceptional work during bachelors

near ocean
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To work in AI? Now is the time it seems
In 4 years? Hopefully these AI types fuck it up badly enough where we legislate against it

halcyon niche
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r*

placid geyser
# mighty ingot you could atleast answer the "now" part.

Well the now seems failry obvious. AI is current hot topic and even at bandwagon levels. There are certainly plenty of opportunities right now for jobs in AI but the competition amongst those with deep degrees in data sciences so just lower level education or certification is not going to cut it well.

mighty ingot
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What are you guys worst code review expieriences during interviews?

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Yea I mean like. I dont have much in the way of code review but I have certainly done plenty of interviews where the person bombed real hard. some to the degree I even asked if they wanted to reschedule

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# plush summit For me it is lol so j can hear the worst case XD

well , i had one classmate who knew nothing about coding , he appeared for interview , his interview was over after like 15 minutes after the interviewer understood he knows nothing . everyone else had interviews from about 1 hour to 1.5 hours. He thought he did amazing , then after he told them what happened , everyone laughed at him.

placid geyser
# plush summit But what is gonna change with a redo?

sometimes people have off days, like if you know your stuff but something went just catastrophic and you bomb out like stopping there to try again can make a real difference.
though in only one such case did it help at all, and most didnt take the offer but all in all it didnt get to that point too many times.

placid geyser
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"man I did so well I finished the interview in like 15 minutes!"

kindred oyster
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like trust me , they dont care enough about you to give you a redo of the interview

placid geyser
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And we def didnt have hundreds of candidates making it even to the interview stage in that case. It was also around that time that I had to give my employer some hard truths that people do in fact lie on resumes, lol

kindred oyster
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xdd
maybe was a common thing back in the day, intersting to know

placid geyser
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They were not an American company so to them it was unheard of but here... lol and this was like 5 or 6 years ago I think, maybe 7-8

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And I rarely do interviews these days, and only as a technical role (I am not a software engineer)

true harness
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that sounds like it would increase risk. isn't having a stable job less risky?

placid geyser
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What would be the purpose of the breaks exactly?

balmy mural
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Wouldn't part time all the time be a better option? 4 day weeks is a 20% salary cut, but still very manageable on average software salaries, and you'd be at one stable job

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Unless you're considering part time to be significantly less than 32 hour weeks

true harness
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well

placid geyser
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Well I dont think just switching jobs back and forth is the best way to work while not working tbh.

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I mean what exactly kind of jobs are you expecting to do for just a year at a time?

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But you say reduce risk, so by risk you mean becoming a 'corporte slave' and not like financial or career risk

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because doing that is risky for both career and financial security

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how does changing jobs every year and wokring part time in between reduce your financial risk?

balmy mural
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I think you mean reduce risk in the context of 1 year part time vs 1 year of no work and not 1 year part time vs stable job, right @turbid bobcat ?

placid geyser
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yea that is actually offensive because it provides no actual information and is just dismissive

dreamy surge
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I am bored but I wanna do program

placid geyser
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I dont have ot be brainwashed to know that having a job, consistently, without interruptions to income, healthcare and stability is a good thing

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I mean, you proboably dont but how does that translate to 'risk' you havent actually explained why this has anything to do with financial risk.

balmy mural
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No, but that doesn't mean someone who wants to work 100% of the time is brainwashed. And it's definetly less risky to work 100% of the time, even if you do have the savings to support taking breaks

placid geyser
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Beause even if you have low cost of living, interrupting your consistent high paying job does not translate to lowering financial risk
but if you work full time you dont lose any savings either

true harness
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if they plan to take year long breaks, then working part-time during that break will be less risky than not

placid geyser
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balmy mural
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I don't think anyone is pushing anyone to work 100% of the time here. Just weighing pros and cons of different options?

placid geyser
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no one is 'pushing' you to do anything, we are asking you how you are explaining what you are saying. and it isnt about pre conceived antyhing. cosistency is literally consistent

placid geyser
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Indeed, if you can manage lower income levels and want to take a break from a full time corporate job then trying to do part time work vs none at all would be a smart idea.

balmy mural
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If you're able to find jobs in tech during the part time you'd also have a lot more leverage when negotiating for positions/salaries once you want to switch back to full time. You wouldn't be time pressed to take one of the first offers you get and would be able to be a bit more picky

placid geyser
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IMO much of europe has better work culture than the US

balmy mural
#

I think the Netherlands is nearing 50% of its population working part time

placid geyser
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But I stopped bending over backwards for my job a long time ago so my work life balance is much better

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Though at the same time it was factors into my experience and work history that got me to where I am now in general. Im sure I could have made it more or less the same with less after hours work but it is what it is

placid geyser
solar hazel
#

yo

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need a reason for my career in cs engineering

true harness
#

consider liking it

solar hazel
placid geyser
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Yea I remember seeing that news. I mean what that actually menas does vary a good bit between country too. like in the US the retirement age is just mainly for income/tax reasons, not like you can actually stop working just because

placid geyser
solar hazel
balmy mural
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I think retirement age will keep increasing slowly as life expectancy increases across the globe. Especially in countries with strong safety nets and government pensions. If people are living longer, you need a slightly bigger workforce to support them

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I'm expecting retirement age to be 4-5 years more than it currently is by the time I reach retirement

solar hazel
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that is how it is, I just cant, focus enough, its like if my life was just focused on this one thing atleast I would get a career out of it

placid geyser
#

yea, same for the US in general. but also like Guitar said.
For me I suspect retirement age will be about the same, maybe a couple years later. But the big change will be the diminished social security payments

balmy mural
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If someone's mentally capable at that age and still enjoy working, why not?

placid geyser
#

politics are NOT allowed here

solar hazel
#

sry, ill give you a better one, narayan murthy

placid geyser
#

And the retirement thing is certianly person dependent as well. My parents arent retired because of financial reasons. My dad is also still mentally fine though I wish he could retire for my mom's sake

solar hazel
placid geyser
#

I mean Id love 0 and id love/plan to retire early but still have a ways to go

balmy mural
#

If life expectancy is increasing, either taxes are going to increase, or pension age is going to increase to cover those costs. There's probably a few different ways to address it, but raising pension age is just one way of doing that

solar hazel
#

well everyone would but that is only true because everyone isnt doing the thing they love

balmy mural
#

Personally I'd like to retire a few years early, so my spending/saving habits will reflect that

solar hazel
true harness
balmy mural
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It'll be nice once I'm in EU to have an actual pension grow. I've not been able to get one where I live since the Netherlands doesn't recognise our pensions as valid pension schemes. So I would have had to cash out early with massive penalties. Just been investing very aggressively

solar hazel
true harness
balmy mural
white relic
peak halo
balmy mural
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I think it's good to have both. Max out pension as much as it is beneficial tax wise, and then invest whatever else you can/want to save

solar hazel
#

just hobbies? or people? or both?

white relic
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family, religion, fishing

#

travel

balmy mural
# solar hazel so what things?

Personally? Travelling, hiking, mountaineering, experiencing other cultures (especially foods), personal dev projects, family, etc.

peak halo
digital fjord
#

A lot of people retire to farming or teaching as well.

solar hazel
balmy mural
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Having the time to get involved in local communities helping out school kids or less fortunate people would also be a great use of my time

solar hazel
digital fjord
solar hazel
balmy mural
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Yea, but I don't want to retire 20 years ahead of retirement age. I'm just planning on somewhere between 5-10 years. But yea, exact plans are very individual dependent

peak halo
balmy mural
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Since I like travelling now, that is money I could save to retire a few years earlier, but I'd rather travel now.

solar hazel
digital fjord
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and outside of losing your job, it can make it hard to notice mistreatment and abuse you experience.

solar hazel
#

oh that is true

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fine, I guess I need friends, I dont get along with people in my college, so I have no idea what to do, I still spend time with my senior highschool friends, but that also ended today

digital fjord
solar hazel
digital fjord
#

yeah, becoming an excellent programmer is more reasonable purpose that will benefit from a job.

white relic
solar hazel
white relic
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there is no shortage of ways you can develop your skill

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That isn't my purpose, personally, just playing out the idea

solar hazel
white relic
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if it were your purpose, would it matter whether people pay you for it or not?

solar hazel
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but then that makes no difference in my life, I already dont follow it, I am careless a hell, and avg as well at most things

solar hazel
white relic
#

Plenty of people find meaning and joy in developing skills that aren't economically feasible as a career

balmy mural
#

Sports is a great example ^

round gorge
#

Hi im new i found this server from chatgpt can u say me from how i can learn phython in android??

solar hazel
solar hazel
white relic
round gorge
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Ok thank you

solar hazel
balmy mural
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I can assure you there will be clubs for smaller sports. I play squash. It's a very small sport in my country with no TV appeal and no professional players. I also want to start doing triathlons in the future. Also niche. I also want to compete in some powerlifting competitions in a few years, even more niche. All of these things do have communities if you look for them

solar hazel
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i do play badminton with my old friends but eh im not experienced enough at it

balmy mural
#

Other examples that aren't sports could be music instruments, competitive games, hobbies like woodworking. All stuff you can find joy at in developing your skills in it

solar hazel
#

ok, ty gotta have dinner, byee

arctic oar
#

Hey everyone! 👋
I'm Ayush from India, currently learning Python.I'm here to grow as a developer,build real- world projects,and hopefully start doing small freelance tasks.Looking forward to learning with you all!

visual flax
#

Curious do people graduating from top university's liek uc berkely make more from schools of a lower reputation?

pine sleet
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there seems to be a correlation but i would be hesitant to say there's a causation

smoky quest
#

A EU and Asia thing too

summer roost
pine sleet
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yep

upper tangle
#

Hi every body, I am Mahboub, I am trying to find a career path in Data Analysis, I would appreciate it if some one who has experience in this fiel to provide me with some advice and help with some resources.

outer granite
#

How can one get a job in Cyber Security with ease?

visual flax
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You don't

outer granite
pine sleet
fast fossil
white relic
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if it were easy, everyone would do it

outer granite
#

Where is the best place/platform to look for remote internships in IT?

pine sleet
real mantle
visual flax
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A job in fiber optics with a gas mask and in a clean room you guys think it's too dangerous or,m

pine sleet
real mantle
#

hey

white relic
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a gas mask might mean you're dealing with nasty chemicals

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clean rooms are pretty safe places to work, generally speaking

visual flax
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I'm trying to decide whether or not I should take the job.

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I'm thinking no because working with a gask mask for 8 hours knowing how anxious I am might be too much

regal axle
eager trellis
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and the things you have to do to not fuck up for cleanroom mostly align with the things you need to do to avoid contamination hazards for yourself

visual flax
eager folio
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if the mask is properly fit tested and properly rated for the hazards you're working with, then it should be plenty safe

idle gyro
#

im homeless omg im on a street of los angeles begging

icy pagoda
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why did ivy league become so good btw

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MIT is not ivy league, right? nor CMU?

pine sleet
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both could be considered ivy league

proud glacier
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they're elite, but Ivy is a more specific definition than that IIRC

icy pagoda
icy pagoda
smoky quest
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you not being aware of it does not mean it doesn't exist 😉

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biased how? Because it doesn't fit what you want to believe?

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We aren't talking here about a big secret. It's very well known, regardless of terrible it is as a practice

#

so now the goal post is moved to a relative difference that is large enough to the US and UK?

#

Beyond the salary, it also gets quite murky due to the impact of a professional network. Someone from school X is more likely to pull people from the sames school.
So besides salaries for the same position in the company being different based on the school, your professional network will also have an impact on your reach and jobs you would have access to. Obviously everything gets quite complicated and nuanced at that level

#

having concrete and relevant experience on both side, they are both more egalitarian than the other for different areas:

  • EU has a better social net, which enables a better "baseline" in terms of education. But everything has a long history and with it comes traditions and prejudices
  • US has less of a social net which makes it more difficult to get a degree. But jobs are less strict about the credentials and degrees, as long as you can demonstrate the relevant skills

So it's not one being better than the others, it's different

#

if I recall correctly, you haven't crossed the chasm yet into leadership or been exposed a lot to VCs and C-suite. Not meant as a disparagement, but it does mean you haven't had enough exposure to this side, which can be quite different

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I would rather stay away from discussing your case as to avoid you taking everything personally

pine sleet
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that doesn't change much in the US either

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i think you're focusing on the "prestige" part too much. all it is that the quality of your network tends to be better at "elite" colleges

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not to mention to go there in the first place, you're probably already from a wealthy family which already puts you a leg above everyone else

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put all that together and on average, ivy league graduates tend to make more and climb in their careers faster than someone that went to just another state school or didn't go to college at all

smoky quest
pine sleet
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thinking what? young people should still try very hard to get into top colleges

smoky quest
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A degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

pine sleet
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The number of people who even have the possibility of getting into ivy is actually extremely small
doesn't mean you shouldn't apply
Get this: most people dont even live in the US + UK, nor want to.
i don't see how this is relavent. you should still apply and aspire to go to the top educational institutions in your country

smoky quest
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no one said you cannot succeed without going to an ivy league

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so you just got an urge. Okay

pine sleet
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you should try to apply to the top educational institutions in your country, or the country you want to live in

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i'm not sure how you misconstrued my original message to mean that

smoky quest
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your urge had nothing to do with what was said. So it was quite confusing

icy pagoda
pine sleet
icy pagoda
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when the primary incentive of the top college was "you will meet similarly wealthy people for good networking"

pine sleet
icy pagoda
#

makes sense

smoky quest
pine sleet
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indeed. geography is one factor most college students take into account when they're deciding where to apply

smoky quest
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it's not controversial you do believe it.
However given the state of education, its funding and its direction, it would appear that it might not be the consensus

icy pagoda
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public universities are often on par or better than others in most countries except US

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mostly better tbh, they're just more competitive to get into

proud glacier
#

aren't US public universities also really good? like the state flagships and such

icy pagoda
white relic
white relic
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there are more private than public universities in the upper echelon of schools, but all the top rankings include both. Schools like UCLA and Georgia Tech are public

buoyant seal
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tender thicket
#

!ban 1372901116647444480 scam/ad again

inner wrenBOT
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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @blazing timber permanently.

true harness
icy pagoda
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depends on your threshold for the "top" and the ranking system tbh

#

but yeah 50/50 is still huge compared to other countries.

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it's very often just straight up public > private in a lot of countries

eager trellis
icy pagoda
eager trellis
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nah, you're narrowing your claim. In any case, there are lots of really good public Unis in the US. Lots of good private colleges too. Public Unis probably have more consistent quality across the board than private schools

#

I think you're also not familiar with how those top private schools you're thinking of work:

suppose you are not wealthy - would you still try for the top colleges and accept it?
when the primary incentive of the top college was "you will meet similarly wealthy people for good networking"

The connections are part of the appeal of the top private schools, but many of them also have a lot of financial aid available, especially for people not coming from wealthy backgrounds

icy pagoda
eager trellis
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I didn't say you did, you did suggest tehy weren't as good as private

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"not compared to the private ones afaik", "public universities are often on par or better than others in most countries except US"

icy pagoda
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however, MIT, CMU, harvard, stanford etc are private universities which are often counted as the top by certain ranking systems (also the general reputation)

eager trellis
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that's exactly what I said above

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you're thinking of a few outstanding, widely known colleges and painting the whole lot with that same brush

icy pagoda
#

which kinda feels like US is the exception here

public universities are often on par or better than others in most countries except US
mostly better tbh, they're just more competitive to get into

next plover
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you're not getting into a private college poor

icy pagoda
#

yeah
well, you can w/ loans, scholarships etc

next plover
#

not to mention harvard is a joke

icy pagoda
#

people don't really see it as a joke

next plover
near ocean
#

Only 40%? Rookie numbers ngl

eager trellis
#

We are one of only nine colleges in the U.S. that is need blind and full need ⁠01 Need blind means that we don’t consider your ability to pay for college in the admissions process; full need means we are committed to meeting 100% of demonstrated financial need with our aid. for all of our undergraduate students, domestic and international. About six out of every 10 students receive MIT need-based aid. The median annual price paid by an undergraduate who received an MIT Scholarship was $12,938⁠02 for the 2023–2024 academic year.

next plover
eager trellis
next plover
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i mean yoou can have any finaid you want that doesnt mean they are getting poor kids of the streets

eager trellis
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Beginning with the 2025–2026 academic year, for families whose total income is less than $100,000 (with typical assets), parents are not expected to contribute toward their student’s MIT education.

next plover
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id love to know the income stats on admitted students

#

maybe MIT is chill though

near ocean
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Its not ivy league so there is hope

umbral frigate
#

Well my dream uni has been mit for a while... hopefully it's good.

icy pagoda
near ocean
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You need wealth stats tho, not just income, im sure the rich people at harvard dont even have incomes

next plover
#

ah yeah

eager trellis
icy pagoda
#

pay to the uni?

fiery elk
#

Hello

icy pagoda
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damn, okay what is the average cost of a public uni w/ aid in the US?

eager trellis
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I know kids that have gone to harvard, MIT, and some other ivys, and none of them come from rich families or have connections tot he school through alumni.

eager trellis
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but 12k isn't unusual for total cost

icy pagoda
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lemme check

next plover
eager trellis
eager trellis
# next plover so like 4 people?

yes, which is pretty shocking considering I'm one person, in one small town. By your own message up there 60% of admissions aren't nepoed in.

icy pagoda
next plover
icy pagoda
next plover
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the rest are paid in 🥴

white relic
next plover
#

mayhaps

eager trellis
#

a lot of people have strong opinions about things they've never bothered to actually look into, which is weird.

white relic
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(I can't speak to nepotism, I didn't go there)

leaden glade
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Hey guys

umbral frigate
#

So it's... not chill?

leaden glade
#

Have anyone work on tensorflow?

#

Oh am I suppose to post there?

#

Got it ducky_concerned

icy pagoda
#

well, either way costs of US unis wasn't really my point - it's just that your taxes to pay for high quality education in public unis is often normal in most countries and they do deliver it
US being one of the only few countries where some private unis have subjectively better reputations than public ones

fiery elk
#

Can I ask a question

next plover
fiery elk
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If i want to learn just python is it better to enter college or study on courses

next plover
#

its well established harvard is very sketchy in its admissions

leaden glade
#

Which is the channel where I can post questions lemon_infant

umbral frigate
leaden glade
#

Ty

eager trellis
crisp flint
fossil sedge
#

Why is there a LGBTQ flag behind the python in this server logo?

buoyant seal
# fossil sedge Why is there a LGBTQ flag behind the python in this server logo?

Everyone celebrates being gay in June, since entire June was declared month of Pride.
Different companies adopt this flag for entire June for the sake of not looking different from others in addition.
Cultural thingy, that became for some reason overextended for entire month.

P.S. we celebrate Pride, but we missed to celebrate months of Greed, Wrath, Envy, Lust, Gluttony, and Sloth

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balmy mural
leaden jasper
exotic roost
#

leave em
people like him come and spread hatred
i dont like the lgbtq propagando too
but i dont hate people for doing what they want

leaden jasper
near ocean
#

What do people do when they don't have numbers to write down on their cv
I don't have access to observability tools, metrics, basically any stats myself

next plover
#

tbh i dont know many people (in my generation) who even use them

near ocean
#

Gotta apply with something

next plover
#

a resume?

near ocean
#

Same thing

proud glacier
next plover
#

OH yeah....

#

ignore me

twilit scaffold
#

hi guys i'm new in this server btw

deft herald
#

Hi new in this server btw, i'm dad

peak halo
twilit scaffold
#

to chat

humble shard
#

hi

chrome hamlet
#

I’ve made my most rookie mistake so far. I work for a tech consulting company and recently got an offer to fintech company as SWE II with ~1 YoE thru networking event. The offer is 2x my salary and a much better role.

I discussed with my manager about the offer so they said to not tell the client about it and said they couldn’t match it. I only worked for 1 client and they were very happy with my output and was also happy working there. After submitting my resignation and me signing offer, manager tells the client about me leaving so then client tells me that i should’ve told them first so they could’ve matched or offered better to make me full time at theirs…

near ocean
#

Do you still have the new offer for 2x as much?

smoky quest
near ocean
#

imo its generally a bad idea to entertain counteroffers
If they could afford to pay you as much what held them back all this time?

smoky quest
chrome hamlet
# smoky quest would you prefer working for that client rather than this fintech company?

I think that if I knew about this conversion option my decision would probably be different for sure. Reputation wise they’re pretty comparable. New company is a little bigger but same enterprise environment. I guess the only thing is I like my team at my current client and the other teams I work with, and the projects were really interesting. There was no micromanagement or any typical workplace bullshit. I can’t say yet if it’ll be the same for new company but my feeling is that it will be similar.

My real issue was to do with my actual employer, there wasn’t a very clear career progression, no real timeline of when do employees get opportunities for pay rise, and a lot of the more senior people there have pretty negative opinions about the company

chrome hamlet
near ocean
#

Nice, thats great then, you should be celebrating

fringe sphinx
#

However, you received new information. Keep the relationship with the client going, whether you decide to change you decision or not.

#

My advice would be to go have lunch with your client. No matter what: invest in the personal relationship.

chrome hamlet
#

Hell yeah. Definitely not burning any bridges. The future is bright

hearty island
#

another interview brothers
that is 4 interviews over the past month-ish

#

well, i started applying the 23rd

#

so not even a month

dense bear
#

why this server celebrates pride month bruh

fringe sphinx
quartz gate
#

Anyone know anything about Sales Engineer, the role?

#

I'm looking for a non-technical and tech-adjacent role and my programming has been slow lately and my current job isn't paying enough.

white relic
#

Sales engineer usually means someone with knowledge about a company's product offerings and who meets with engineers from other companies to figure out what products they need

outer marten
#

guys, i'm looking for my first job in dev but , i'm have no experience in this area and im not of legal age do you have some tips?

white relic
white relic
wraith harbor
quartz gate
#

One thing that makes me KNOW I'm qualified for the job is that I started a comics business from nothing, and made 30k off of figuring out what my customers wanted.

outer marten
quartz gate
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Also, I did the sales aspect of my capstone project, like I can DO this.

#

I just need my resume to look GOOD....

open ivy
quartz gate
#

One of them I ran into at Barnes and Noble yesterday, believe it or not.

#

The other, he told me to grab the job ID and send it to him.

white relic
#

The next piece of advice depends on whether you want a job because you need money or to prepare yourself for university/whatever's next

vagrant turtle
#

Hi everyone, I help early-career developers land jobs in competitive markets by providing tailored interview coaching and job search tools. If you’re interested in boosting your hiring chances, I’d love to connect and share more.

near ocean
quartz gate
#

He's trying to sell a course...

deft herald
quartz gate
#

I'm just calling it right now, lol.

vagrant turtle
near ocean
#

how does one work with entry or mid level devs if theyre not employed already?

#

do you pay devs for their time to coach your clients?

white relic
fast fossil
vapid jay
#

@radiant vortex can we please go dms need some advice

radiant vortex
#

if you insist

vapid jay
lilac yoke
#

I personally found an internship out of high school following those guidelines, but it was massively based on luck. If you do manage to get your foot in the door and interview, you will need to have an extensive preexisting portfolio portfolio

summer roost
versed steppe
#

Hey everyone!
I’m an Italian Computer Engineering student and I’m trying to better understand how to break into the job market, especially in programming and Python. Honestly, I’m not quite sure how job hunting works in this field:
Has anyone here landed a job starting from online courses or bootcamps?
If so, which courses would you recommend for someone starting out or trying to build a solid portfolio?
Is it really worth paying for those expensive courses, or is it possible to get hired with free ones like Coursera, edX, or Udemy?
And if you don’t mind sharing… what was your path into the industry?

I’d love to hear some real-life experiences to get a better sense of which direction to take.
Thanks a lot to anyone willing to share 🙏

near ocean
#

There are companies that interview self-taught peeps, mine did, unfortunately they were all pretty terrible
A bootcamp or an online course or a certificate wont really help you with the tech interview

lilac yoke
#

What’s funny is when you go to university you’ll probably just be even more self-taught than the people who don’t

near ocean
#

It was kinda sad, i really wanted to believe that the average self taught person can make it into the industry but they all froze on fizzbuzz of all things, we interviewed like 4 of these bootcamp people

#

(4 that I was present for anyway)

fast fossil
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Did they have any personal projects to show off? If so, what were those?

near ocean
near ocean
#

They made it to the interview but i dont think it was the projects that did it

fast fossil
#

I suppose a university at least gives you what to learn (that is, you find out what you don't know as opposed to being in the dark about what you don't know), but ultimately it's up to you to learn it

hearty island
#

our intern this summer is a nepo hire, idk how i feel about that lmao

white relic
#

university equips you to know how and what to learn
surely one of the most medium takes I've seen in this channel

near ocean
#

Its better than nothing

white relic
hearty island
#

idk in college i grinded like a mfer and just did intership after internship

hearty island
# white relic how have your interviews been going?

so far i got one rejection, but i got another interview today and just did one at 3:30 EST. that one i just did i think i made it to the next round. but i'm not gonna really think about it considering only 10 months of yoe

#

but, that's 4 interviews since the 23rd of may. which shows a lot of promise. 4 interviews since the 23rd shows i have something on there that's making employers go wait a mintue

fast fossil
quartz heron
#

hello everyone

hearty island
#

i am not slacking either cert wise - i'm doing the CFE (cert fraud examiner)

quartz heron
#

whats cert

hearty island
#

certification

quartz heron
#

what kind of fraud

hearty island
#

all the way from financial statement fraud to contract procurement fraud

#

"The CFE exam is divided into four sections: Financial Transactions and Fraud Schemes, Law, Investigation, and Fraud Prevention and Deterrence. Each section is a separate two-hour exam consisting of 100 multiple-choice and True/False questions. These sections cover various aspects of fraud examination, from understanding financial schemes to legal principles and investigation techniques."

white relic
hearty island
#

whole idea is to get the CFE, stack it up with the CAMS, get my 7, my 24, and at that point i can do compliance for any firm

#

i'll be the most overqualified associate there is in the game

lilac yoke
near ocean
#

Yea i saw that too, except they also had their final year project on there
They usually did better in the interview though

lilac yoke
#

the bootcamp level self-taught SWE job market is nearly gone

#

I feel far more confident in my job security in a position that uses the full suite of computer science theory, rather than my previous one as a full stack web dev

wraith harbor
#

One interview I have coming up I was told will be general problem solving, and not live coding or leetcode. I was told I wouldn't need to prepare but not given much background. Anyone have any experience with this kind of interview? Is it system design?

fringe sphinx
#

A lot of them all follow typical patterns and are fairly easy to practice for: listen to the question, ask clarifying questions (to show that you're not quick to leap to conclusions), restate the problem to make sure you understand it - identify any assumptions or unknowns, etc

wraith harbor
#

oh like those hypothetical scenarios like what would you do if you were stuck in a blender?

fringe sphinx
#

Sure, that's another funny one

#

But the point of these types of questions is to have a conversation with you, and for you to show problem solving maturity. Not for you to try to be the smartest in the room.

wraith harbor
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that makes sense. im glad i asked because otherwise i would be pretty caught off guard if thats what it ends up being. thanks for the heads up

fringe sphinx
#

It could range from abstract problems to decomp to system design

#

Another classic abstract one / category is the 'how many piano tuners are there in the US?' type

wraith harbor
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that one is considered decomp?

fringe sphinx
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No, more abstract problem solving

wraith harbor
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i like those because theres almost no wrong answer its just being creative

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whats decomp?

fringe sphinx
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The piano tuner type (estimation) is really about seeing how you'd think through a problem and construct a plan of attack

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The Mount Fuji type is a little higher level, about requirements and assumptions and engineering

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Decomp is, to me, a subset of system design questions. The idea is to frame a complex problem that you need to break down. That's more or less the common theme with all of these: once you get past the first part (clarifying the requirement), you usually need to break them problem down

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!cleanban @glass girder ad

inner wrenBOT
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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @glass girder permanently.

quartz gate
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Man what did I miss?

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hazy ibex
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helllo

silent sparrow
kindred oyster
nova quarry
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hey guys, just a noob question. what would be some solid stuff to put on my portfolio? My professor compelled us to complete several courses, just to put them certificates up there. But I dunno, I find it kinda lame. I dont really study from courses, rather from just writing and breaking shit and researching along the way, but perhaps I could get some advice or anything?

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# nova quarry hey guys, just a noob question. what would be some solid stuff to put on my port...

If I want to hire someone to do some frontend or just use tools, I can hire a self taught or bootcamp for half your cost (usually even less).

So I want to see that your 4-5 years to get a BSc aren't for naught and you know a great deal of theory and your ability to handle complex problems. For instance, I would rather see someone implement a query planner for a DB, a compiler or paxos for a distributed system rather than another frontend/todo app
Take any of your class and crank up a project to 11

kindred oyster
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guys

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i want to learn ptyhon

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wary estuary
vapid jay
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Nice

wary estuary
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wbu?
also, we cant talk here properly due to slow mode

vapid jay
wary estuary
vapid jay
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How do you learn python?

kindred oyster
waxen hare
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Soo iam from india, and iam from what we call a tier 3 university here (Bacially uni's that dont that much of a reputation). I just wrapped up my second year and i was wondering wether doing a masters in CS would be worth it. Now i dont want to do a masters just for that. i also do enjoy cs as a subject The question is more of, "should i do a masters or keep working and try to get promotions etc there. Would sinking all that money in a masters in cs be worth it" and if so whats the best way to perp for it. I do have an internship running and i am also in line to work on a research paper with one of my profs. but yah its pretty confusing

balmy mural
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Assuming you want to keep working in India after graduating, because of the emphasis placed on university tiers, if you can get a masters from a tier 1/2 university, it would probably have a bigger impact on your career prospects than working for the year. I would think it's worth it if you don't mind continuing to study. If the masters is from a tier 3, it's a bit more uncertain and I don't know India's job market well enough to advise for or against it

kindred oyster
waxen hare
kindred oyster
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oof

abroad where

waxen hare
# kindred oyster oof abroad where

not really sure i was thinking one of the asian countries so Korea, japan singapore etc etc

get the degree and either settle down there or work for a couple years and return

balmy mural
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If you do your masters in a country you'd like to work in as well, that's a good option. There's generally less requirements to start working after a masters in a country than just emigrating without studying in the same country

kindred oyster
waxen hare
kindred oyster
waxen hare
split widget
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So computer communication engineering is worth than computer science engineering studying in India I am student and best to choose what degree for my higher studies in India what your thoughts

kindred oyster
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a big part of doing masters abroad also involves a good assessment of your academics ,your financial conditions , risks etc

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yep its definately doable. All i am saying is , if you are actually serious about doing it , you should see a professional and not just rely on advice from people on discord.

woven cosmos
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sup

hazy ibex
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sup boys and girls

hazy ibex
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is it okay to send a huggingface space of a tool I made and ask for opinions?

polar moth
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Why’s they make python gay bruh

balmy spade
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dim falcon
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Hyy! I've just passed 12th nd deciding to persue engineering in cs or robotics, but am confused what to pursue nd also if i choose robotics which i have more intrest in it so, what can I learn in beginning level??

pine sleet
dim falcon
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Yepp !!

copper thistle
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hey guys, i am working on a SaaS web app and I have almost finished it. It is basicly a cancer-prediction web app that has a custom trained and optimized machine-learning model in the backend. You enter some data like smokind and alcohol habits, height and weight etc and it tells you the chance of developing cancer in the future and what are the possible risks for you.

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I want some honest and brutal feedback. Do you think people would be interested? If anyone can help dm me

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lilac yoke
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🎊 You have cancer! 😊

fringe sphinx
olive gust
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Hii guys, can anyone please help me to get a remote job in cybersecurity as a junior web application pentester?

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copper thistle
lilac yoke
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I’m only referencing your header

fast fossil
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🎉 You have (3) new lawsuits against you

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random marsh
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Hello, I’m getting interested in quant finance. I’m a 2nd yer BcS Applied Math student and I was looking for recommendations of projects I could do in the summer that combined Python+Math+Finance. Any recommendations?

stoic surge
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can someone review my resume im trying to break into cyber security

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stoic surge
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here it is

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strange hull
# stoic surge

I think you have a solid foundation, but some work is required.

I would highly recommend getting some good python projects on there, not necessarily focused on cybersecurity - a lot of cybersec is just comp sci (most importantly how systems and applications work, not dsa)

wireshark and sql db are much more powerful than html/css and troubleshooting networking on a pc

Would also recommend having some focus on formatting. some people don't care and that's fine, but I would- beware of whitespace lines, excessive sized tab/margin, gap whitespace, and how linkedin/github is formatted at the top (feel free to check my resume)

All in all- first skim I didn't see anything interesting which is concerning because you do have some good stuff on there, prioritize it! good luck!
also if you're in an ivy league, pls reach out :))

stoic surge
fierce cosmos
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how did you get over a 4.0 gpa

stoic surge
fierce cosmos
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thats still rlly good u should be proud

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instead of saying what you used to make the websites

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talk about like what sort of a website it was bc like theres more to websites than just writing the code it takes a real eye for design, what did the website have on it?

strange hull
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boo

stoic surge
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Low-key it was class assignments I did a while back

fierce cosmos
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also does ur college have career advisors im sure u could get em to look at ur resume even tho u already graduated

stoic surge
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I did not graduate college I’m an incoming freshmen 😭😂

fierce cosmos
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oh wtf incoming freshman ur on a good path

strange hull
fierce cosmos
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i thought u graduated wtf i need to go to sleep 💀

strange hull
fierce cosmos
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but yea like instead of it being what do you know it's like what sorts of results did u get and how did u go about it and what did you use. i think.

stoic surge
strange hull
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bluds boutta pull out MIT

stoic surge
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Sadly

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I think it’s bad since all these experiences and projects are on 2025 there almost all from cert labs and acitivities

strange hull
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grind projects boi

fierce cosmos
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if u dont have any ideas for stuff don't worry but yea if u have time try finding things u wanna do

stoic surge
fierce cosmos
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my github isnt fucking 24/7 green like those mother fuckers and i somehow got a job xdddddddddddddddddddddddd

strange hull
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yeah you have plenty of time as an incoming freshman

fierce cosmos
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but yea if u do something u wanna share with the world put it on github (AND be sure to keep track of everything with git bc yea)

stoic surge
fierce cosmos
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learning how to use git is super duper epic awesome u prolly don't have to use the command line git right now

stoic surge
fierce cosmos
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r3wind be sure to put on deodorant and u may be a step ahead of the rest

strange hull
# stoic surge I need to defy the odds of what they say about the so called comp sci majors

I don't like the stats really. I believe most unis don't properly prepare cs students for the job market.
Being in cybersecurity already makes it tricky because the job market is already a lot smaller (I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm just saying it's smaller and pays less). Cybersec isn't a booming market, nor it will be any time soon. law and research in cybersec are pretty much the only "hot" things nowadays

stoic surge
fierce cosmos
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i graduated in computer engineering and it took me nearly a year to find a job

stoic surge
fierce cosmos
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and i had internships

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its rng ..... .. . . . ... .. . ..... . . . . . . . . . . ... also 2029 may be better for the job market (if the ice caps haven't fully melted and humanity isn't in full blown war)

strange hull
fierce cosmos
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but yea expanding on my point about your resume, instead of being like "used wireshark to analzye packets" maybe u could talk about what you were analyzing, like were u trying to debug something (or i mean like if that was also an assignemtn then idk )

stoic surge
fierce cosmos
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stuff like that

strange hull
# fierce cosmos and i had internships

cs makes me so demotivated. I have an unpaid research internship in cybersecurity for this summer and I'm questioning life right now. (just finished first year of undergrad)

fierce cosmos
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yea thatts some bull shit

stoic surge
strange hull
fierce cosmos
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and the type of places not paying interns probably have a garbage culture too

strange hull
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"an internship is an internship" is what I tell myself to sleep every night

fierce cosmos
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like the thing about that is like if an employer uses like brainfuck for the production code then they can't be expected to get ppl that know brainfuck

but if u were able to pick up and apply malbolge at an internship, and you can describe the sorts of things that u did there and issues you had to solve, it shows to potential employers that u are able to know more shit

interviews are another layer of bs nonsense I HATE INTERVIEWS I HATE STAR METHOD

strange hull
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One day I'm gonna have enough money to make a company which operates entirely in brainfuck

fierce cosmos
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yea nice talking to yall im going to go to bed. i project this yea im so experienced persona but i do not know muc of anything. and also it was nice talking to yall for the "joining python server to ask a question then leaving once i get the question answered" song and dance :D

prime oar
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huii

harsh river
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<@&831776746206265384>

nocturne harbor
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!cleanban 1115668032140882003 scam

inner wrenBOT
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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @soft needle permanently.

pallid kraken
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My political compass

proud glacier
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This isn't relevant to this channel. You can post it in one of the offtopic channels.

wild skiff
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strange hull
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emails? brainfuck. readme? brainfuck. Interviews? brainfuck.

wild skiff
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It won't last long without funding x.x

strange hull
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which is why I will wait till I am rich enough to run it myself without external funding

kindred oyster
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there are easier ways to waste money , you can just transfer it all to me : )

hearty island
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wrong channel

kindred oyster
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!indent

inner wrenBOT
#
Indentation

Indentation is leading whitespace (spaces and tabs) at the beginning of a line of code. In the case of Python, they are used to determine the grouping of statements.

Spaces should be preferred over tabs. To be clear, this is in reference to the character itself, not the keys on a keyboard. Your editor/IDE should be configured to insert spaces when the TAB key is pressed. The amount of spaces should be a multiple of 4, except optionally in the case of continuation lines.

Example

def foo():
    bar = 'baz'  # indented one level
    if bar == 'baz':
        print('ham')  # indented two levels
    return bar  # indented one level

The first line is not indented. The next two lines are indented to be inside of the function definition. They will only run when the function is called. The fourth line is indented to be inside the if statement, and will only run if the if statement evaluates to True. The fifth and last line is like the 2nd and 3rd and will always run when the function is called. It effectively closes the if statement above as no more lines can be inside the if statement below that line.

Indentation is used after:
1. Compound statements (eg. if, while, for, try, with, def, class, and their counterparts)
2. Continuation lines

More Info
1. Indentation style guide
2. Tabs or Spaces?
3. Official docs on indentation

subtle igloo
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pallid kraken
white relic
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I'm not interested in rules lawyering. It is completely obvious to everyone that posting your political compass in #career-advice is not what the channel is for

noble wyvern
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Do you NEED a degree kn CScience to get a job? I mean everything about CS is available online and many successful develipers havent gone to CS university

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I think these Computerscience “MAJORS” and “PH.D” are a big joke

balmy mural
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noble wyvern
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Hmm

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I mean but can’t you just leaen everything online? Not to brag(this isnt anything to brag about), but i can do stuff that people in their 2. Year of college cant do yet

balmy mural
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It's possible to learn the same via self study, but university gives you a structured course on what you need to study. When you go the self-learning path, you don't know what you don't know. University guides that, is a great place to build a network for future job prospects

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noble wyvern
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Ooh yeah, that makes great sense.

vapid jay
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I am actually majoring in Pure mathematics, as I have always loved math, just abt to complete my first yr, My current plan is to become a research mathematician, but It's just things are getting worse in my family and it might happen that I need to get a job within 2 years, um I dont know but I know a little bit of python and C , but I am really good at mathematics

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so I don't know what should I do, one more thought is there that after 2 years I will go for PhD math, there I will get stipends and all so may be I dont need to geta job but am realllly not sure

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but where to start from like what should I learn?

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how about outlier?

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I am learning python ....m not veryyyy good at it

wraith harbor
vapid jay
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its a company which trains AI in advanced math

vapid jay
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vapid jay
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so my best best is python?

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and other stuffs in data science? like data science is gonna be a potential careeer in future that wont be affected heavily?

hearty island
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i switched my major in CS to business analytics, and now i work in financial compliance. trust me you can pivot.

vapid jay
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gotchaa its just am lil scareddd

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cux i dont knoe aything other than math

hearty island
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🗿 🗿 🗿 🗿

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i got another 41 to go

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oh i was in project management for a bit too

vapid jay
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it doesn feel hard to me, its just it's hard u know to adapt ....like ahh

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trueeeee....especially with all those topological stuffs

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but i understand, and I will try to become like this, adaptable to situations

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trueee :((

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umm....but u are i guess such a person who can handle things well

regal crater
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hi guys, i wanted to learn python and really understand it and be able to do everythiing with it, i cant find someone who explains python in a understandable and easy way, can you tell me who can i watch and learn from?

vapid jay
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i understand, but yeah what can we do, life goes on

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rocky fulcrum
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i basically only want to pursue computer science in my lifetime since it's one of the things i'm really passionate about, and i had a question about some of the other subjects that are about to be behind me that i had to go and study, specifically my sciences and how important they'd be in my later life.

i figured physics would be somewhat important because it would help if i wanted to do something in game dev (which is pretty obvious how it applies). chemistry and biology never stuck out to me because literally when am i going to use the reactivity series or how homeostasis is maintained, in a career about databases or whatever.

even in a starter retail job at a co-op like idol, i highly doubt that any of this is necessary. that's why my plan for my final few exams in the three sciences is to just get a barely passing grade and call it a day. there's literally no way in hell i'm gonna put these down for my a-levels anyway so whats the point?

can someone confirm or disprove my beliefs? thanks a ton lads

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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @golden fable.

lilac yoke
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Never plan to get a barely passing grade though— plan to get the highest grade possible, and work for it. worst case you do get a C

summer roost
rocky fulcrum
# lilac yoke physics and the entire math series you take are useful. biology has its uses in ...

isn't physics basically the same as maths? like if i do maths i'll basically be covered for a good majority of physics. and like i said, i'm hoping for none of my A-levels to be related to science, so really and truly, what is the point?

about computational biology, i was never really interested in biology in the first place so that's most likely not a career i'd take

as for the "barely passing grade", again, this is basically a one-off exam. i just need to pass and that's it: i can leave all that shit in the past. so what's wrong with settling on a mediocre grade?

kindred oyster
# rocky fulcrum isn't physics basically the same as maths? like if i do maths i'll basically be ...

isn't physics basically the same as maths? like if i do maths i'll basically be covered for a good majority of physics

math is the underlying tool yes. however you need to know how to convert your physics problems into mathematical ones .

lets say you are supposed to find out the gravitational pull. sure , if you are given all the values and formulas , you can do the math. But you have to know how to get the values , what logic to apply , which formula to use all by yourself

when people say "physics is just maths" , what they mean is, to solve the problems in physics , they have to be great at maths as well.

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so physics is basically 2 subjects in 1 . the physics theory stuff , and the maths that you have to apply. so if anything , its twice as hard

kindred oyster
rocky fulcrum
kindred oyster
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i mean if i understand correctly

more marks = better college = most likely a good future
less marks = bad college = most likely a bad future

so why would you aim for less grades in the first place

rocky fulcrum
kindred oyster
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summer roost
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Just in general, you should aim to learn everything you're taught. You never know what opportunities might come up as a result of you knowing some particular piece of information. Aiming to just barely pass a test is short term decision making that will potentially be stealing opportunities from your future self

kindred oyster
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if you had already made your decision
was all this discussion just a pointless exercise 💀

kindred oyster
next plover
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unless its java /j

random marsh
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Should I contact the recruiter on LinkedIn for the Internship I'm applying to? If so, what could I see so that my odds of getting the Internship improve?

strange hull
kindred oyster
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....the question was about an exam that decides what college they go for to get their degree.... what does the work force have anything to do with this

regal axle
strange hull
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also -- "university recruiters/recruiting manager" is a thing wherein people are generally more focused on students and internships

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grades dont matter 🙊

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first grade, first college, first job?

kindred oyster
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In this case better grades directly translate to a better college which is grounds for the start of a better future. Just get bare minimum to get in any college is a terrible mindset. You absolutely grind and get the best possible score to ensure you go to a college that gives you great chances to excel

strange hull
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grades matter to get a good college in most countries;; most majors/jobs would also prefer you to have a good gpa. compsci is something you can get a good job without a good gpa but its the exception, not the rule

strange hull
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they did mention it in one of their earlier messages and the college entry system is India is unique, the educational and societal norms are fucked in regards to college

kindred oyster
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Getting good grades usually translates to getting better college in every part of the world

strange hull
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I got like 70% in 12th boards cbse, 80% rest of the years and I got into cornell for cs

kindred oyster
strange hull
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bro those are minimum 💀

kindred oyster
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Bare minimum in the case we were discussing is to get into any college which is surely not 80%

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Anyways , if u like sticking to bare minimum and hope nothing goes wrong , great. I like to try the best I can so I leave nothing to chance and don't have to later think that "if only I tried more instead of settling for the bare minimum"

strange hull
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Don't lose focus of what actually matters while you're "trying your best" to achieve whatever.

slim elm
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Hello

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I am new in this server. Please any 1 give me the permission to chat in the call

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<@&831776746206265384> I need to ask smt about Python

pine sleet
still condor
pine sleet
sterile vault
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Hey I need advice for entering the tech field without college and only certs

near ocean
sterile vault
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because i cannot afford it

pine sleet
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have you run the numbers?

sterile vault
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im not familiar with the process of getting those tbh, im kinda clueless about certain things

pine sleet
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i can't point you to any resources unfortunately but im sure there are many online

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are you in the US?

sterile vault
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yeauh i think certs is the way to go. and yes i am

pine sleet
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look into FAFSA

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certs are meaningless for SWE

sterile vault
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i honestly am like in poverty poverty

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fafsa only covers like 10k tbh

dapper mantle
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FAFSA is good and I got my certificate with a FAFSA grant

sterile vault
dapper mantle
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Automotive Mechanic

lilac yoke
sterile vault
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tbh i want to get into ai field

dapper mantle
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My certificate was in a community college

lilac yoke
sterile vault
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damn....

dapper mantle
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IT field?

lilac yoke
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Network engineers are incredibly important and you’ll be making at bare minimum 70k a year after only 2 years of community college

sterile vault
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nah im deadset on ai. i might look into some transfer programs

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im in massachusetts so im trying to go to a good school if im going to havbe to go to college

vast shoal
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You're incredibly poor, you have no idea how to get financial support, you can't afford college so you were gonna rely on certs a moment ago, but you're not willing to compromise on going into AI?

pine sleet
sterile vault
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yeauh i looked into alot of jobs and its true

pine sleet
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being poor does not preclude you from going to college. we have systems in place for exactly that

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it will be easier to figure out how to go to college than to get a job without one

sterile vault
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ah i see. i think my best bet is a transfer program

pine sleet
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transfer from what

sterile vault
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community college, they have really good transfer programs here. i could transfer to BU for example at a much reduced tuition and possibly go for grants etc.

pine sleet
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sounds like a good idea

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you can also work other jobs for a bit to save up some money to cover what your aid won't

sterile vault
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yeauh true

pine sleet
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you just need enough for one academic year

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you can work full time over the summer and rinse and repeat with aid

sterile vault
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thank you guys

pine sleet
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good luck

hearty island
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shit, my ex's dad got a severance package. rip.

still condor
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!warn @visual escarp Please read our rules and the channel description. We do not allow posting job adverts

inner wrenBOT
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:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @visual escarp.

stoic surge
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Wouldn’t it be funny to be an Ai engineer and then get replaced by your Ai

balmy spade
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I'd laugh at whomever fired me all the way to my next job.

proper plaza
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hi, I'm honestly struggling to learn how to get career ready for cs
a lot of guides I checked online felt vague, confusing, or would just have me going through a sequence of tutorials
and then Iwhen went to my university cs discord and they said just to do projects and leetcode and kinda just do whatever
the issue is I'm just really lost and don't know how to go about any of this
and I'm runnning out of time since I just finished my freshman year of college

pine sleet
cobalt egret
#

Hello Everyone.
My name is Benjamin Smith and I'm from Singapore.
I'm a dedicated and seasoned senior full stack developer with a strong foundation in modern web technologies.
My career spans with HTML, CSS, JavaScript, React.js, Vue.js, Angular.js, Next.js, PHP, Laravel, Python, Node.js, Express.js and Shopify.
I want to work with everyone.

proper plaza
buoyant seal
# proper plaza hi, I'm honestly struggling to learn how to get career ready for cs a lot of gui...

i agree with Robin. Doing projects is really good advice.
i can clarify how to seek which projects u could do in this article https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html

i would also recommend eventually learning a bit of unit testing and code quality in general
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction

Regardless which software dev part u will take, it will not hurt to write more maintainable code

buoyant seal
# proper plaza idk many guides online have said something like "follow these languages/tutorial...

Seek what drives u, to find out which projects u wish to do
Seek different communities of users / remember which communities u are part of

That will help u to understand which projects u could do

I made my projects just for gaming modding communities for example 😄

For a start, start with just trying different user interface projects as a choice.
Try some CLI interfaces, TUI interfaces, Web, desktop, mobile ones.
with knowing how to work with them, u will have ideas where to apply them

A bit of understanding to technologies helps towards realizing what u could do with it

proper plaza
pine sleet
pine sleet
proper plaza
pine sleet
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!res

inner wrenBOT
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Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

pine sleet
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theres's some resources here to get started

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you don't need to know too much to get started with simple projects

dapper mantle
pine sleet
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probably

dapper mantle
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Ah it kinda seems suspicious

pine sleet
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if you're looking to get hired i'm afraid this isn't the right server

proper plaza
pine sleet
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pick one of the books in that link above and follow along with it

cobalt egret
buoyant seal
# proper plaza but assume I basically have no programming experience how am I going to do proj...

Freshmen year? Well... i can tell you that simple technologies people figured out even if they did not have Software dev education.
Simple tech, making some crappy web stuff (I am backend web dev and actually happy about it) people made with learning in relatively short time.

Being Freshmen will only mean that u need to input TIME towards trying some technology
And Being Freshmen will only mean very high chance that your first result will not be of a good quality at all.
But it is okay
Building stuff helps us to learn building quality

Without building crap, we can't learn quality.

And if u wish to speed up doing more than crap... i recommended the books to increase code quality, and my comments on the site left recommendations what to read next.

TLDR: It is more of a just TIME, and whatever extra u will put into self studies and learn a bit of core software engineering on top preferably in order to make smth more than crap eventually 😄

wet magnet
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Hello

buoyant seal
# proper plaza but assume I basically have no programming experience how am I going to do proj...

Most of the stuff is not a rocket science in software development, and everything has "Getting started" good tutorials how to proceed in any direction. That freshmen in a uni can follow
And from there only time and experiments to build smth, and plenty of careful debugging
Every tech is mostly... simple to figure out eventually at least as long as use modern enough, not outdated versions of smth
if u use smth very outdated / very not supported, then all bets are off regarding its difficulty 😅

And as mentioned code quality stuff often asks to read books preferably.

wet magnet
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Is data analytics is also field of IT ??

pine sleet
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IT means something different in the US. i think it means different things in diffierent countries so you'll have to specify

proper plaza
# pine sleet pick one of the books in that link above and follow along with it

this is the exact sort of thing that's made me stuck for all these years tbh
not having a concrete idea of what I'm doing just doesn't work with me
I don't know how others do it
that's why every guide I've seen or any time I asked for help just felt like nothign was changing
even now, I don't know what to do, and even if I do, I don't how to go about it, I don't know what to do next, and I'm just really confused and lost overall
it's been quite frustrating

pine sleet
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do that, come back and ask what to do next

wet magnet
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I have learnt basic python ,pandas matplotlib and seaborn what should I learn after that ?? For find job

pine sleet
buoyant seal
# proper plaza this is the exact sort of thing that's made me stuck for all these years tbh not...

Read eventually code complete
It is ultimate book about all aspects of software development, overviewed through chapters.
Including what to do if u are Freshmen and not knowing how to start writing code at all 😅

This book has plenty of recommendations what to read next.

This book is may be too soon to recommend though, may be u ne dactually one of Head First books actually first as they are easy entrypoint to get started with some language at least

Pick language u like more and get started with it through Head First, it is quite brain friendly 😋

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proper plaza
pine sleet
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how do other people do it?
people just do it. you don't need to maximize efficiency, it's just a waste of time and you won't get anything out of it

buoyant seal
# proper plaza this is the exact sort of thing that's made me stuck for all these years tbh not...

Be aware though that with some languages, certain type of software is easier to write than others
Do small research, what kind of stuff u wish to make first and which technology suits it better than others
And pick the technology better fitting the goal preferably

Making web app in Assembly for example, or in C is not the best idea
Picking right tech makes stuff 20 times easier

Some languages are very multipurpose about where they can be applied
But that can't be said about every language being very multipurpose

pine sleet
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you just need to be doing something, whatever it is

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the only wrong thing to do is to do nothing

proper plaza
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so should I essentially just do whatever and I'll eventually make it work?

pine sleet
buoyant seal
# proper plaza so should I essentially just do whatever and I'll eventually make it work?

Yeah, whatever u wish. Personal apps, mods for games
Whatever u wish. As long as u are enthusiastic and having energy to dedicate time towards it, that alone matters.

It would be very nice if what u picked to learn was somehow job marketable though, at least in moderate enough numbers (instead of almost no job vacancies at all to the chosen stuff)
Then invested time will have more useful return for you
That's a stone towards Haskel language that has like 12 job vacancies in entire world or smth 😅

buoyant seal
pine sleet
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they seem to have a lot of indecision so i really just want them to do something instead of piling up more things to think about

buoyant seal
# pine sleet they seem to have a lot of indecision so i really just want them to do something...

having certainity in direction is a good thing to have too
@proper plaza so my advice... think of what languages/tech/whatever interests you
Open local hiring web site and make searches how many job vacancies are present and related to stuff u picked to work with.
Pick smth having reasonably non zero job vacancies and languages/tech having most interest to you at the same time
That will be useful investments to pick

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Clarification:
If smth has larget amount of job vacancies, it does not mean it is the best pick. Plenty of super popular choices have... plenty of extra problems on top
Just make sure your pick has moderately good enough numbers and it interests you. Don't chase largest numbers as obligatory

harsh river
sour oyster
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wrong channel. sorry.

proper plaza
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And it's vague parts like this that really keep me stagnant

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I'm so tired of guides telling me "in order to get out of tutorial hell, you gotta do projects" then they proceed to promote some overly detailed 6 hour tutorial for you to do before any projects
that never made sense to me

kindred oyster
proper plaza
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This problem is part of the overarching vagueness and confusion that kept me stuck and basically make no progress to get career ready for cs

smoky quest
smoky quest
fringe raven
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Hello I am new I had a question as a comp sci major

smoky quest
kindred oyster
# proper plaza I don’t want to share it just because I want to advice for what to do in general...

just use a decent source for learning the language

a long tutorial is not necessarily bad as long as you learn from it in parts and apply it as you go

for example , we recommend corey schafer on youtube . he has a playlist for python. if it was a long video made of stitched together videos , it will still be a good resource. but you have to know that you shouldnt finish it all in one sitting as that will just make you not learn anything.

and after you learn , you need to make projects. thats pretty much it.

and as to why i asked for language ? so that someone can recommend you good resources if they know any

I highly doubt I need all of this for the basics or before starting projects
4 hours of video content is a good mark to learn the basics of language . you cant be like "oh i learned one concept , let me make a project using that" because you know nothing when you are a beginner.
like , you cant learn the print statement in python and then try to do some project with it

azure topaz
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Heyya!!! I’m learning Python to get into machine learning and AI dev. I’m looking for a fast, practical way to build real projects while learning—less traditional tutorials, more hands-on + project-based. Any repos, courses, or strategies you’d recommend that really helped you level up?

vast shoal
azure topaz
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i've js started it! lotta guys recommended freeCodeCamp, never tried kaggle!!

vast shoal
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Kaggle is primarily for machine learning rather than programming

modest kraken
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If a minor signs an NDA given by a company, is it voidable?

smoky quest
olive gust
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azure topaz
vast shoal
inner wrenBOT
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Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

modest kraken
smoky quest
modest kraken
meager bronze
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Hey guys I am available for UNPAID internship or work in python ( I can do anything with this ) let me know anyone is need any help or something. I just need some experience in work field

fast fossil
inner wrenBOT
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Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

kindred oyster
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petition to revise the rule to say "paid or unpaid"

fast fossil
icy pagoda
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why would you go for an unpaid internship and not just pick up an open source project btw

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well, ig different sections on a resume

smoky quest
misty stirrup
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Heyy ppl

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I'm new here !

vast shoal
buoyant seal
near ocean
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(not that people would know really if an internship is unpaid)

vast shoal
near ocean
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But it doesnt seem to me that the experience an unpaid position offers is any better than OSS, otherwise it'd be paid

smoky quest
vast shoal
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It might be the exact same experience, just that you don't have the leverage to negotiate a salary, I guess

smoky quest
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For completeness, you could get OSS experience in an internship while getting professional experience. And that would be great as well.
And it would still bit any OSS experience you might have on your own in a non-professional environment

near ocean
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A key characteristic of a profession is it pays
Regardless, would an unpaid internship offer the same experience of the profession as a paid one? Being paid means you've convinced someone along the chain of command that you are worth them parting with some money for services

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People consider them out of frustration but are they as helpful as they think or is it just a waste of time

wraith harbor
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you can put an unpaid internship on the work experience section of your resume, which i feel is the most important section

kindred oyster
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i think they are debating if "does a unpaid internship hold the same value as a paid one"

icy pagoda
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yeah it's a different section ig; there are labs/groups you can join to collaborate on OSS projects though, especially ones without already existing major repos

wraith harbor
smoky quest
icy pagoda
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even though it's OSS

smoky quest
kindred oyster
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true , as godly said few days ago , company hires you as intern and grooms you well in hopes that you will find their company interesting and join them in future and have a headstart in the career

it is already costing the company real money to have you as intern in the first place and even paying a stipend on top of that will even cost more with no return that will make them any real money as a regular employee does

wraith harbor
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what percent of interns end up actually being valuable to a company? it must be a tiny minority