career-advice

[feral wasp]

Ok thank you I'll try there. I figured here would be the best place since it's career oriented.

[near ocean]

i dont think you need premium to learn on that platform and you dont seem to need it to take their certificates, i wouldnt invest right now

[modest kraken]

“Meh alrite I guess but there’s better ways”

[feral wasp]

Oh that's what they said? Thank you.

[frosty blaze]

Hello, I’m pursuing master’s in data science at Pace University and learning the skills of data scientist currently. If anybody is interested to partner and join along in the roadmap, I’m happy to collaborate as a group! Please dm me.

[deft pelican]

First time ever? It was Quick BASIC 😬 I made pong. ~22 years?

[sage berry]

I'm 2nd year student in CE and wondering if data engineer at entry level is possible or not? or do people usually take other career path first then migrate to data engineer later ?

[dry star]

bcuz i am currently looking to participate in events

btw plz check out my git hub page

https://github.com/ShaheerDev/Projects---100-Days-of-Python-By-Angela-Yu

[twilit ether]

Hey, i'm Hamud i am 13 still Learning Python but i know C# and TypeScript i'm Looking for Software Engineer intern for young guys to learn more about Machine Learning. Good i'm a Roblox Developer too.

[twilit ether]

Ping me for any detail it's Benevolat i'm free

[pseudo crypt]

whats the things to display + if number is positive and - if number negative

i know there one things builtin but forget

:+ nvm

[merry plinth]

How do I get started learning Data Science?

[outer scarab]

Hi guys, could anyone tell me what a day looks like as a Software developer? And is coding a big part as a Software developer?

[wild pendant]

eita

[vast shoal]

Yes

[outer scarab]

Thanks a lot

[vast shoal]

Some days are more meetings than others, especially at the end or beginning of a sprint

But most days, I write code most of the time.

But like, while doing that, I also read a lot of documentation and I consult or help other colleagues a lot.

[outer scarab]

Would you say that these things aren't boring?

[vast shoal]

I enjoy it a lot, overall. Even if the task itself isn't exciting (like reading a requirement document), it feels meaningful since it's part of a bigger process of making something that makes a difference.

[outer scarab]

That's nice to hear. Thanks a lot!

[fringe sphinx]

I feel the same way: I enjoy solving problems, and software engineering is filled with new problems to solve constantly. Combined with a growth mindset, there's always new problems to solve and new things to learn. Every day is different

[pine adder]

hello

im a programming student but i dont know how to program can someone help me with my code .(

[vast shoal]

This is a career discussions channel. If you want help with Python, you can ask in #python-discussion or use #1035199133436354600

[deft herald]

im a programming student but i dont know how to program

Well it's a good thing you're a student then

[halcyon lichen]

anyone have chatgpt plus?

[harsh remnant]

What if I lie on my resume. The most lies. How will they catch me

[vast shoal]

Is this related to a career question?

[fringe sphinx]

By asking you questions.

[vast shoal]

If you lie on your resume, you get hired and are later caught, you could be criminally charged in some circumstances.

[wraith harbor]

more likely youll just embarass yourself in the interview and waste everyones time

[summer roost]

Unlikely, but possible, especially if hiring you turns out to be a public embarrassment for the company, or if you get someone killed or something like that

[icy pagoda]

pro tip: lie and then get so freaked out by the interview that you actually finish whatever you wrote

(jk, don't actually do it)

[still condor]

depends on what sort of lie it is, I guess

sometimes it's more of an "exaggeration"

[fringe sphinx]

Big lies like work history or education would generally be figured out pretty quickly, imo.

Or, it's such a distant past thing that nobody actually cares / it wouldn't affect your hiring.

[icy pagoda]

i mostly meant that for projects

[summer roost]

Big lies like whether you have a degree or not are also the ones most likely to lead to criminal fraud charges

[still condor]

sometimes companies lie as well 🙂
"We're developing an ultra high performance system using cutting edge technology" -- yeah, that's why you're hiring someone with "Python 2 experience"

[icy pagoda]

if you say you made an operating system or smth w/o actually doing it and you're actually scared enough/want the job a lot you might end up actually finishing it before the interview
a bad advice but ik a friend/roommate who did that and it was epic lol

[still condor]

another one is "competitive salary"

[white relic]

"unlimited vacation"

[fringe sphinx]

"flexible work hours"

[open ivy]

Finding companies that are being ignored by people looking for companies is great for job searching but is a tricky task, because you have to fight against PageRank and other SEO stuff. Here is a similar problem discussed on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/vtghib/why_is_it_so_hard_to_find_good_programming_blogs/

[limber tulip]

That’s a thought one

Many employers lie e.g. for dress code

Hey people did u finished your career?

How many of us?

[pine sleet]

what does that mean

are you asking how many people are retired

[pine sleet]

linkedin, interviews

[white relic]

joined to ask a question, got a two-word answer, then left the server.

[vapid jay]

I need some info about animation and vfx course like how many are there and which are in demand

[peak halo]

I guess they expected that there's some secret way to sus out fakes

[pine sleet]

and deleted the question for some reason

[viral geode]

i found my old recaster project, it was one of my first times programming. i didn't use any tutorials. and the code is too funny too me
where can i share it?

[deft herald]

off topic or #python-discussion

[wraith harbor]

It's hard for me to imagine that there are companies hiring but can't find candidates. Everyone seems to have the opposite problem, too many candidates

[twilit wigeon]

hey guys I have a few questions on programming

someone knowledgeable with programming pls hmu!

[deft herald]

Just gotta ask - you can assume anyone here that typically answers questions is knowledgable with programming

also this channel is for #career-advice

[twilit wigeon]

oh okay that's great

[twilit wigeon]

what would be the appropriate channel to ask in?

[deft herald]

is it spicifically related to python?

[twilit wigeon]

its more related to programming/Comp sci in general I'm deciding if I want to pursue Computer science in Uni

[deft herald]

oh okay. this channel could be appropriate then

Here we are still talking about what your question might be though...

[pine sleet]

is this your actual question?

[twilit wigeon]

Okay, that's good. My first question is: what's the point of learning programming when we have AI tools that can write programs now? and If it isn't a problem we need to be concerned about right now how about in the next 30 years?
Also, is it true that computer science majors are having difficulty finding jobs, that the job market is oversaturated, and that many are getting laid off? Would you consider the computer science path a good career choice to follow?

I know these are very common questions im sorry

[deft herald]

IME yes, it is a difficult market to get in to right now overall. Of course some sub-industries are different, but i think that's the general trend. However, that fact has nothing to do with AI

AI is nowhere near being able to replace a human software engineer

[twilit wigeon]

Thats is both good and bad news imo lol I was scared about AI for a sec

[twilit wigeon]

I have heard of people devloping apps and sites just with AI tools some of which generated these people alot of money

[twilit wigeon]

also if u mind can u tell me more about these sub industries are u referring to like cyber security?

[deft herald]

Oh yeah? I guarantee in all of those cases, someone somewhere had to edit some code anyways

[twilit wigeon]

so are you saying that these claims of people making apps and sites only with AI tools are just really false and majority of the time they were actually coding there projects?

I would say that very misguiding? because there are many videos now of people who made apps and sites even in video games like roblox who claim that they couldn't write a line of code

[deft herald]

I'm saying that they probably used AI tools to make their projects, but were probable misleading in how they said "i made a bajillion dollars and all i did was ask AI to program this for me"

[near ocean]

Throwback to rabbit r1, the promised AI assistant to end all AI assistants only to turn out to be a literal fraud

Maybe we should all take claims on AI ability with a large pinch of salt

[lilac yoke]

The apps people are capable of making purely with AI assistants are already trivial, and not to mention, massively insecure as they have no idea what is happening

[nova glade]

Hello everyone just looking for a study partner to help me

Does anybody know how to do no networks for a machine learning for artificial intelligence? It’s for a project

[peak halo]

you can ask about neural networks in #data-science-and-ml. be sure to ask a complete question that someone can start answering.

[twilit wigeon]

Oh ok thanks for clarifying this 💚

[smoky cairn]

type websites where it takes the current logged in users Id as part of the request body 💀

[twilit wigeon]

Oh ok thank you I understand

[twilit wigeon]

Man with all the misinfo going around for someone like me trying to get into comp sci it’s very hard to differentiate was true and false

[smoky cairn]

wym

[twilit wigeon]

I’m just saying like the current situations (lay offs for example) and stuff and the misinfo abt AI and whatnot makes a lot of people avoid pursuing in comp sci

[deft herald]

I mean tech in general has been a pretty volatile industry for a while. Companies do well for a year, they hire like crazy. They have a bad financial year, they start firing.

[icy pagoda]

Cybersec will have fun soon imo

[lilac yoke]

I wouldn't pursue CS unless you have a genuine passion for it and it's already a hobby of yours

There is definitely some oversaturation in the market right now at this moment-- in the 4 years it takes you to get your bachelors it could be worse, or better. No way to really know. But anyone I've met that is passionate about it has a job right now, cannot say the same for those who aren't.

[open ivy]

Same goes for any field. Of course, it need not be your first passion but it needs to be a passion. 40 hr/ week is a long time!

Also, if you are passionate about building apps to connect people together, that task is only 10% technical. It is 90% human and indeed that is the challenging part. If you are passionate about getting humans on board than go for it.

[icy pagoda]

you won't get to the 40hr/week in this case without it

burnout from not being passionate is different from being unable to start at all

[balmy spade]

Alternative point of view: It's completely possible to hold a 40hr/wk job, for years or decades, and not have any passion in it. It's about as fun as it sounds.

[gaunt sigil]

anyone have a good basic idea of how much of python/ what areas of coding in python one needs to get their first job in the field? i’m not expecting to make 100k or anything obviously, but like if there’s a specific aspect of python that can land jobs at least somewhat regularly im interested in a decently paced entry into this line of work.

[gaunt sigil]

or maybe it’s way more complicated than that? someone clue me in i’m looking to move my career to tech/ coding so.

[pine sleet]

it is. there's a lot of aspects to it. degree, previous work experience (not necessarily programming), projects

the first two being the most important

[gaunt sigil]

yeah i guess that’s the thing huh. i don’t have any relevant experience as of now, best thing would be using google docs and microsoft office in a couple jobs. maybe my current supervisor experience slightly, but not much. and i don’t really have the time or funds to get a degree. do people only really get jobs coding with python if they have these?

cause also that’s the loop right of like how do you get relevant experience without someone first letting you take the job without it? frustrating lol.

[pine sleet]

yeah, pretty much. without a degree or previous relavent work experience it's incredibly difficult

[gaunt sigil]

is that the only thing one can do? take college for python or there’s no work?

i mean i guess not impossible technically but is it really that black and white

[pine sleet]

well, there are some other options like going into IT or QA and pivoting into SWE later

[gaunt sigil]

so if you’re learning and trying to start into a career would these be good ways to decide if you wanted to get a degree? because thing is is i can’t justify spending money on schooling on anything i don’t know i won’t click with in some way ya know

[proud glacier]

you can learn and have fun with Python as a hobby for absolutely free

[pine sleet]

no, IT/QA and software engineering are different enough that I'd say liking one doesn't necessarily mean you'll like the other

you can just make projects and mess around yourself at home to see if you like it

of course, there's still the risk that you end up going to college to study computer science and decide that you don't like it.. but that's a problem a lot of people have

[gaunt sigil]

with all your roles, i’d say it’s safe to assume you do this for work? what was the thing that made you decide to commit?

[pine sleet]

no im a 2nd year CS student at university lol

[gaunt sigil]

oh

so you might still say fuck it like many others hahaha

[pine sleet]

to? going all in on studying CS?

[gaunt sigil]

i guess

[proud glacier]

you don't need to (and IMO shouldn't) spend money on schooling for CS without first trying it on your own. for a lot of professions it's hard or impossible to just try them out at home, but CS is a field where it is very realistic and even easy, so there's no reason to not take that advantage.

[gaunt sigil]

4 years right? lol

[pine sleet]

it's definetely something you should give a lot of thought to

[pine sleet]

2 if you've already gone to college before for another degree

[gaunt sigil]

i know it’s not technically related but can i ask what the coolest/ your favorite project you’ve worked on is?

[gaunt sigil]

ah yeah i haven’t

[icy pagoda]

switching into it for masters?

[pine sleet]

no, it should only be 2 years to get a bachelor's in CS if you already have a bachelors or associates in something else

[icy pagoda]

huh that's a thing? TIL

[pine sleet]

it varies though. but you'll have a lot of the common classes done already

[pine sleet]

yeah a lot of your credits will transfer over

[pine sleet]

it was a project that scans all uploaded python packages for malware in real time that i started working on a year and a half back iirc. it's still running to this day

[vapid jay]

hi

im starting to learn python with brocode he is a youtuber am i on the right track

[wraith harbor]

!res you should try one of these, personally I like the cs50 Harvard course. Those 12 hour mega tutorials are kinda bad

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[trim crypt]

I heard its pretty good but never learnt from him myself. I prefer the CS50P instead. It has actual exercises for you to run after each lesson.

[vapid jay]

ok

i am looking forward to learn about development too any recommendations

[wraith harbor]

CS50P is an intro to development using python. You'll learn all the basics, those Harvard people are pretty good at teaching

[vapid jay]

ok

[vapid jay]

https://cs50.harvard.edu/python/weeks/0/ this website?

[vast shoal]

Yes

[vapid jay]

ok thx everyone

[true turtle]

@vapid jay If you're not here to participate in a respectful and constructive manner, you will be removed from the server.

[wraith harbor]

I've been doing the React tutorials dementati linked here the other day. My work is in mobile but so many job posts are React I want to try to be competitive in those if I can get a good project going. My friend says react devs are the most at risk for getting replaced by AI but idk

[trim crypt]

react devs are the most at risk for getting replaced by AI
Correction: Any dev can be replaced by any other dev that utilises AI

[smoky cairn]

Junior dev with AI cannot replace experienced dev without AI, seen it first hand, cursor just makes a mess and keeps digging itself deeper if you don’t supervise it 😭

[trim crypt]

"Utilising" in the sense that AI's work is supervised so it can be used properly

[smoky cairn]

Oh yeah but I mean juniors don’t know how to review code that well so they let some garbage through

[trim crypt]

Much like using any tool. Use any tool responsibly 🙂

But I get where you're coming from

[smoky cairn]

And then they have like 3000 lines of bad code they don’t understand

[trim crypt]

Sounds like Claude 4 Sonnet 😂

[smoky cairn]

It sucks at react native lol

also there are prolly more react jobs than mobile dev jobs but also everyone and their dog knows react but not a lot of people know mobile dev (especially native development)

[vast shoal]

I mean, if React is all you do, you're not a super valuable hire in general. But being comfortable with React is a good credential to have, among others.

But for the reasons we've discussed in here time and time again, I don't think any human developer is at much risk of being replaced by AI.

Because AI can't do the job of a human developer, they can just do a small subset of it.

And often not that well.

[wraith harbor]

yeah i dont mean to rehash the ai discussion. im sure we'll be having it tomorrow and the day after that and so on anyway

[wraith harbor]

yeah i think this is true, especially for android native at least in the US. i had some interviews for android jobs at good companies but i kinda blew it. will keep trying though. honestly though its kinda fun to learn a new language which I haven't done in a while, i might try to learn Go after this

[polar plinth]

do you guys think aiming for devops a good idea in todays job market

[buoyant seal]

it is good idea to invest into becoming proper Software Dev first (like backend dev)
Investing into becoming Dev first, and being able to work with common web tech needed
Investing into knowing stable plethora of software engineering skills, which barely changed itself in last dozens of years.
And only after that if desiring (and finding interest to work with infra) investing into the more risky world of rapidly changing infrastructure technologies of DevOps

[outer scarab]

I have a question: Whats the difference between a Software Engineer and a programmer?

[vast shoal]

In practice, nothing.

[outer scarab]

oh ok thanks

[vast shoal]

Software engineer sounds fancier.

[outer scarab]

Then why is the salary so different if both are the same?

[vast shoal]

I've honestly never heard of anyone who's official job title is programmer.

Or who gets paid less because their title is programmer.

You get paid less if you're a junior developer, and more if you're senior. I don't think there's any real programmer/SWE distinction.

[finite crag]

I was born knowing python. Give me a hard problem to solve

[vast shoal]

Try to find the right channel to ask this question in.

This channel is for career discussions.

They are also in the wrong channel.

#python-discussion is for general Python-related discussion.

[polar plinth]

thanks

[vapid jay]

Is it worth spending 5-6 years for PhD CSE?

[hearty mason]

Hello
Could anyone help me with inputs for my hackathon project?
Anything at all would be appreciated…
Atually I am working on a web app that would detect your mood on a daily basis and analyse it weekly representing a chart and suggesting measures once someone seems to be mentally unstable or referring nearby therapists.

[stark cove]

Q: How do you know your skill is ready for the job world?

[near ocean]

You go through the job searching process and you come out with a job

[stark cove]

is it an irrational fear? I mean that you aren't ready fo the job

[digital fjord]

If someone hired you for a job you can't do, that's on them

[near ocean]

No that sounds like a pretty rational thing to worry about tbh
But you wont know until you have a job

[stark cove]

what if I just send cv randomly?

not literarry randomly, I meant like just send. Not caring about experience, not caring about what you are capable of in the requirement

just send the cv with the inormation about what you are actually capable of

[true harness]

that would be a waste of time

[icy pagoda]

it used to always be a "depends on your goal". what's yours?

[vapid jay]

Tech entrepreneur

[icy pagoda]

...okay idk now, might need others to pitch in

[true harness]

why would you do a phd if you want to be a tech entrepreneur

[white relic]

maybe because you realize "be a tech entrepreneur" is a slippery goal that depends more on other people than you, and you want to position yourself to be doing interesting research regardless of how the entrepreneur thing works out?

entrepreneurship doesn't have a lot to do with research, although there can be overlaps

probably not much overlap in the SWE sphere

[true harness]

i met a bunch of phds that started a company, but their goal when starting a phd wasn't the company, it was just something they started cooking on the side, or came out of their research

[white relic]

yeah, you better not get a PhD thinking it's going to be a stepping stone to your entrepreneurial dream

if you don't like research for its own sake, it's going to be a brutal grind, and you probably won't finish

it's likely to be a brutal grind even if you do like research

(I do not have a PhD, but I work with many)

[steady dirge]

Am I doing something wrong ?

[white relic]

couple of PhDs I know recently started their own company. this has been a long term dream for them, finally coming to fruition. they've been doing research ~30 years

[white relic]

do you have 2 years help desk experience?

It's a rejection. You weren't selected. Don't take it personally

[steady dirge]

😭 but for level 1

[near ocean]

If they want 2 years they want 2 years 🤷‍♀️

[steady dirge]

For $9.25hr

[near ocean]

I dont think their tier number references seniority, it references placement in the support flow

[steady dirge]

Then how I’m suppose to get experience

[next plover]

you dodged a bullet

[orchid mortar]

Anyone wanna give feedback on my resume

[steady dirge]

Yeah but I’m trying to build experience 😦

I’m competing with people with master degree 😭 haven’t even finished my associates degree

[still condor]

table joins in Pandas o_O

[next plover]

if you are competing with masters, someone is applying in the wrong spot

i cant imagine anyone hiring a masters for an entry level job just based on what i've seen

[steady dirge]

& bachelors

[next plover]

a good way to stand out is projects and a blog

i got a job with an associates from a community college against bachelors

it can be done you just have to prove it

[steady dirge]

I mean blogs not my thing, idk what to blog about

[steady dirge]

Project ideas?

[next plover]

anything about computers or IT, blogs arent my "thing" either but i can just write about whatever i want (usually hacking or coding tools for hacking)

[proud glacier]

you should be building projects anyway, and if you are (and the projects are novel/interesting), you might as well blog about them

[next plover]

make a website for your blog then blog about it

2 birds 1 stone

[steady dirge]

You right

Make a website, then create a 15min yap session on yt

[next plover]

thats more of a vlog

i find writing easier personally (and tbh you probably have a better chance of it being seen if its written and not a video)

[steady dirge]

True

Can I see some of your blogs? @next plover

[next plover]

asrch.bitbucket.io

[orchid mortar]

Probably can word that better, thanks. Pandas was easier than sql

[still condor]

Retrieving all the data and then doing the joins manually is usually a sign that you're doing something wrong

if it's actually faster, you might be missing an index or something like that

unless it's some deliberately made "denormalized" view

[orchid mortar]

Pandas merge() was just easier to write

[crude tiger]

Would you recommend learning aws for entry/graduate data analyst roles? I'm familiar with Google cloud and was considering learning it. If I do it what are the best things I can add to my resume afterwards.

[peak halo]

is there a degree that you're finishing? what degree is it, and what are you doing in addition to the coursework?

[crude tiger]

I finished a comp scientist degree. I have been adding projects so my resume with links to git. no certs though

[white relic]

certificates aren't usually valuable to someone who already has a degree and projects. Where in the world are you located?

[crude tiger]

I meant certifications. Located in Uk

[peak halo]

certifications and certificates are basically the same thing (the issuer just decides which word they want to use).

[orchid mortar]

Was there anything else you noticed I could improve?

[regal axle]

Some lines had implicit business value, but it should be explicit. For example, reducing lines of code doesn’t actually mean much. It can. But context is required. Perhaps the win wasn’t loc but instead extendablity or maintainability

Although, that one is very tricky. When does business value become tangible? Maybe never? Rarely ever?

[orchid mortar]

Haha "increased maintainability by 30%"

[novel stream]

@tepid marsh

[vapid jay]

@radiant vortex hey man can we talk in dms need to some advice on stuff

just wanna know if theres any hope left for me

[dusk lantern]

i'd like to find friends who share with me the learning of python language

[floral monolith]

@fahad i also find friends who intrested to talk to me on python problem

[fading drum]

i hate my job.

[onyx surge]

What happened? Considering switching company?

[shut valve]

Anyone came across NoProp research paper I think I may be the AI future...

[radiant vortex]

why me specifically? You'll get much better responses asking everyone here

[vapid jay]

your in the uk and doing a levels and same age as me so its best to get advice from you

[radiant vortex]

Uhh I'm a bit beyond A-Levels, but if you ask here you can get help from everyone

[hearty island]

rejected from baird
rejected from US Bank

[white relic]

You haven't been at your current job for very long, right?

[hearty island]

10 months yoe. thanks to musk my entire company might be done soon.

the rats are leaving the ship, my friend

[white relic]

Oof

[hearty island]

yea the VP of our group literally said we are speaking actively about our purpose but there will be changes incoming.

[hearty island]

i nearly left my role for an internal move. they blocked it due to a "hiring freeze." a hiring freeze that was only announced to mgrs. what kinda bullshit is that?

[icy pagoda]

wait why thanks to musk?

[hearty island]

DOGE, my firm is with the SEC.

[icy pagoda]

doge? mb, i'm not upto date w/ US or stuff which goes on there ;-;

[hearty island]

dept of gov't efficiency, preventing inefficient spending.

[white relic]

I work in fundamental research. My company as a whole probably isn't at risk, but there's a lot of uncertainty about our project at the moment

[hearty island]

i can confidently tell you my department is a gigantic cost center - we won't be around here much longer.

maybe i should have picked more rationally considering - as in what would've happened if trump became president back then

[icy pagoda]

they are cutting down govt costs for efficiency? doesn't central stuff get protection/benefits from govt in cases of these?

[hearty island]

nomura was fucking dying to hire me and i said no.

i'm an idiot man - idk what i was thinking

i'm suffering for a role that's gonna discard me like trash

[white relic]

Very few guarantees under the current administration

[hearty island]

at least nomura would've taught me so much more

[icy pagoda]

that is bad

[icy pagoda]

is explaining the current situation and mailing them as a last resort not an option?

[hearty island]

no - they aren't hiring for the role anymore either

[icy pagoda]

you won't be worse off, right? why not try?

[hearty island]

conflict of interest for me to communicate with another broker dealer

[icy pagoda]

oh, makes sense

[hearty island]

i will probably go back to school. i have the money for it.

considering forensic accounting

[fringe sphinx]

We don't allow recruiting or advertising here. Your post has been removed.

[little crescent]

hey so i have a coding contest tomorrow, they allow few pages of documentation for like syntax and how functions work etc. could anyone suggest me a mini doc of the popular and useful python things

[vapid jay]

rn i am completing cs50 python course what to do after i finished it?

[dreamy shadow]

Would it be an fair assumption for a new grad CS major to have bare minimum working git knowledge (Git push/pull/merge)?

[icy pagoda]

yep

okay unless they're doing cs as a sub field of applied maths
i'd still expect them to but i'd understand if not

[dreamy shadow]

Would a similar assumption be fair to make for offshore team members? Title of "Senior Engineer - Data Science"?

I'm trying to scope out of if my assumptions of basic knowledge is fair.

[still condor]

"Senior engineer" suggests many years of experience, so yes, if someone is a senior engineer they're supposed to be familiar with version control

[dreamy shadow]

I bring up offshore, because offshore titles are often inflated. In this case, 1 or 2 years of experience.

[still condor]

that sounds kinda cursed

but I'd expect an intern to be familiar with basic git concepts after their internship

since that's kind of a prerequisite to completing work

(unless you're using a different VCS)

[noble wyvern]

Hello guys

[dreamy shadow]

These are 6month to 1 year FTE (offshore assets). I have no doubt an incoming intern (in cs) would have working knowledge of git.

[noble wyvern]

Take a look a this: https://pastebin.com/vumeUCQh, now guess how i old i was when i made this

[deft herald]

32

[deft herald]

I don't know what age has to do with anything though. Why do you ask? Also why are you asking in #career-advice ?

[noble wyvern]

Would you believe me if i say i was 12 when i made this

[deft herald]

How old are you now?

[proud glacier]

It's not that unbelievable, so sure

[noble wyvern]

Man, i cant believe i was using fernt, hashlib, tkinter at that age its insane

[regal nova]

sorry but i already knew that you shouldn't use sha256 for passwords when I was 8

[raw marsh]

Is it worth learning Python for AI automation

[peak halo]

what is "AI automation" as opposed to just "AI"?

[last moat]

are SQA jobs low paying? i am close to getting internship. not sure it is worth to spend 6 months on it. time is a very precious thing, should i look for other internships if SQA is low paying job

[violet coyote]

if you don't have any other better offers take it if it has coding/automation stuff its not necessarily need to be your job forever just a stepping stone to other more technical "high paying" roles

Experience is always good

[edgy mesa]

Anyone got advice on a resume and what I should I do

[woeful fossil]

man idk what to make anymore, what are some things ppl would actually be interested in that i make??

[next plover]

realistically nothing but do it because you want to do it

[hearty island]

@white relic i got an interview

[white relic]

Good luck!

[hearty island]

thanks man!
it’s a compliance analyst role

it requires 2-4 yoe, which is hilarious bc i have 10 months of exp

[buoyant seal]

I pick options beyond this list

• Add full coverage by Typescript
• Adding linter check TS is everywhere
• Implementing unit tests
• Adding GitHub actions run to run tests and linters on every commit
• Adding good Readme presenting project (what is it, features, how to start usage, screenshot). Also add license too.
• implementing monitoring integration with grafana stack, json logging, open telemetry, Prometheus metrics, dashboards with linked exemplars to travel from metrics to traces. Trace is should link traces to logs.

[neat orbit]

add Github links

[edgy mesa]

My github is empty and these projects are old and I don’t remember anything on them

[neat orbit]

👀oh

😅 Try to load your projects on Github in the future

[edgy mesa]

Should I throw those projects out and start over

[wraith harbor]

do you not have the code? you may as well put them on there if you have access to them

[edgy mesa]

Not entirely I don’t think so I don’t remember

[neat orbit]

If you are applying for an urgent offer, it will be complicated, otherwise I recommend starting the projects again.

it's my pov

[edgy mesa]

Ok so do new projects?

[wraith harbor]

yeah i agree, i used to have only projects without code and then i put some public projects and ive gotten a lot more interviews. im working on updating my projects as well

[edgy mesa]

What do you mean public project

[wraith harbor]

in my case they are apps that i published to the apple/google play app stores

[neat orbit]

maybe new one or choose some old projects that are still relevant like the Sentiment Analysis and Data Scraping in R.

[edgy mesa]

Dang bruh

[edgy mesa]

Ok I’ll start over this project with some new stuff instead

[wraith harbor]

im sure it'll help you. you'll stand out a lot more

[edgy mesa]

Doubt it

[neat orbit]

✨️good luck

[vapid jay]

In this digital era, Do schools really teach us to be a great programmer? Or self-dedication is more important HERE?

[near ocean]

Are you asking for justification to skip going to college?

[vapid jay]

No, I am just asking our education system is outdated so is it worth it? Degree worth it if someone focus on personal achievement and business rather than jobs?

[near ocean]

You can do both at the same time

[vapid jay]

That's what I am doing. This year I am going to college. But I am asking what to focus on, focusing on academic history class or stay home using computer taking some courses and developing skills ?

@near ocean Hard to say right?

Which helps in the long run?

[near ocean]

No its very easy to say, you can and should do both

Why cant you get good grades and also self study and develop other skills?

[balmy spade]

You focus on both. It's just as important to learn the skills school covers (both hard and soft skills here) as it is to dive into your interests on your own time. Equally so, it's vitally important to know how to balance the two. You will spend the rest of your life balancing between responsibilities. Learn it now.

[undone plume]

Hello everyone, I am 2nd year CSE student from a 3rd tier Uni. I have started learning Python and done some mini youtube projects using it. I don't know what to do next , how to navigate the whole getting into proper development thing. How to start contributing to open source or should I do DS Algo or work on projects.

[pine sleet]

you need to be applying to internships. you've only got a year before you need to get a job

[undone plume]

I am not sure if with my current skillset, I would get any. Also in my college internship experience is not an mandate.

[smoky quest]

Once you graduate, things won't be viewed in terms of whether it was mandated by your school and whether or not you have passing grades.
Things will be seen with the lens of having thousands of other applicants and to just pick the best one. They will have had internships as well as awesome projects. I would highly recommend to start adopting this view. Imagine all your classmates apply to the same job than you. Why would YOU be called back over everyone else?

This means you should try to max out your opportunities and work towards making your profile worthy of being called back for internships

[undone plume]

What can I do next after learning python, if I want to get interships

[smoky quest]

make projects. You can use school projects and go deeper

[undone plume]

Okay, Imma continue with projects then.

[raw marsh]

what should i start with learning python

[vast shoal]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[vast shoal]

Please read the channel description as well.

[white relic]

Hi, this isn't a server where you can advertise your services, but if you would like career advice or a résumé review, feel free to ask! (Censor personally identifying information if you post your résumé.)

I've deleted your post.

[analog sun]

@tulip flint your message was removed for violating server rules 6 and 9

[granite seal]

Hello Everyone I am looking for a career in Data field I am good with basic Python but when it comes to code from scratch i get a bit confused so any suggestions from where can i start learning or any courses you guys can help me out it would be great

[next plover]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[granite seal]

Thanks will have a look at it appreciated

[next plover]

of course

[granite seal]

Any certification courses?!

[vapid jay]

hello every one im on week 1 cs50 python and i came across this problem it doesn't show output at first i though my terminal was broken i tried with other files it worked i have asked chat gpt he says everything is fine can anyone help?

[still condor]

You never called the main function

[vapid jay]

?

[still condor]

This is the wrong channel btw, you should ask in #1035199133436354600

[vapid jay]

ok

[lilac sundial]

R

[stable fox]

Looks pretty neat. How did you create this ?

[edgy mesa]

It was a template on Google docs

[stable fox]

Nice

[edgy mesa]

It sucks lmao I’ll never get a good job with this

[stable fox]

you can try rxresu.me, that's a pretty good site to create resumes.

[stable fox]

you can also try resumatic. It's more cleaner but not as flexible as rxresu.me Both are free.

[edgy mesa]

No I mean like I’ll never get a job unless I do projects and upload them to github

[deft herald]

What are you trying to get a job in exactly?

[edgy mesa]

Bro I just need a job lol i don’t even care

I was thinking data analysis so I already have kaggle and r studio loaded up

[deft herald]

Ok. I mean there's nothing there that's relevant to software 🤷‍♂️ maybe that's not what you're going for though

[stable fox]

Even I'm looking for jobs. I don't think a job will be guaranteed if you add projects to github but it'll difinitely give you something to talk about during interviews.

[stable fox]

@deft herald is right. It doesn't show any relevant technical skills to get into a tech industry. You definitely have some transferrable domain knowledge skills from your past experiences.

[deft herald]

Do you have any education?

[edgy mesa]

Yes bachelors degree but no certs or work experience in my field

[deft herald]

That needs to be on your resume no matter what

[deft herald]

What's the degree in?

[edgy mesa]

Information systems

[deft herald]

Yeah. That's going to be the most important piece of info on your resume

[edgy mesa]

Im applying for noob jobs like non tech stuff

[deft herald]

Why? If you have a degree in tech stuff, why not apply there?

[stable fox]

That's great. You can use Power BI as well. Microsoft tools are widely used in many companies. You could use AI to create a beginner project template which outlines all the steps from start to finish required for a project. You can pass in the data set for context. Then let the AI guide you. By the end you'll have the project and you'll also pickup some practical knowledge. Then you can upload it to Github. What I like to do is use google sites for all my projects.

[edgy mesa]

0 experience or internships

[deft herald]

Doesn't mean you can't apply. Well, it does if you don't even list your degree on your resume. You can put projects you did during school on there too

[edgy mesa]

I have to make new projects because my school projects are trash

[deft herald]

I mean, i would leave that judgement up to the recruiters honestly

[stable fox]

I have a 6 month data analysis bootcamp certification and some projects which I did myself. My biggest drawback is, I don't have a degree. I directly did a diploma in sound engineering and I was working in that field for 4+ years. So I'm not getting any callbacks for the jobs I apply to.

Still no use.

[next plover]

bootcamps arent great

[pine sleet]

this is kind of hard to read. consider increasing the line height maybe

[stable fox]

Yeah i agree. The classes were not good too. I wasted a lot of money on that as well. But at least I got something to show on my resume. Finding the jobs and applying and getting the call back is the most difficult part.

[next plover]

what can you show in real life

people overhype everything on their resume but if they cant prove it its pointless

[stable fox]

I have to use CSS styling for that in the app but I'm not sure how to do it. But this was just an example I created. I might reduce some redundant data from this before applying.

[regal axle]

Without even reading it.
Your skills section is way too big
It should not be even close to the majority of your resume.

And then my controversial opinion; avoid columns in your resume as much as humanly possible

[next plover]

canva has an amazing resume maker

[pine sleet]

consider using a common template like jake's resume: https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs
i use this and a lot of people like it

[stable fox]

Okay. Thanks for the input. I'll reduce the skills section to one column.

[next plover]

also selenium is not for webscraping

[stable fox]

Is it paid ? I was looking for open source option. I'll check it out.

[next plover]

free

[vast shoal]

You can use it for that.

[stable fox]

I'm checking it.

[next plover]

you shouldnt unless you need to bypass captcha by using a driver, its slow and for testing

you can use it for anything i dont know if its a good look on a resume though

[stable fox]

Nice

[vast shoal]

A former workplace of mine used it partially for scraping and automating interaction with certain services.

Though I guess it might be a relatively rare use case.

[next plover]

ok but i still dont think its a good impression if you are using a web browser automation library for the wrong purpose, especially putting it with BS4, they are completely different

[stable fox]

What should we use for web scraping then ? Especially when the websites have javascript rendered contents.

[next plover]

requests.get("url.com") then bs4 it

not sure for JS that would require a JS engine

[vast shoal]

I get the impression it's used quite often to deal with dynamic content, yeah.

[pine sleet]

like selenium

[next plover]

so add that to the resume "Used selenium for a JS engine when scraping dynamic content"

[vast shoal]

Seems kinda verbose.

[pine sleet]

i dont think thats necessary tbh. using selenium this way is incredibly common. probably more common than its actual usecase

[next plover]

insane take

[next plover]

just an idea not to be pasted into the resume lol

maybe its fine but i personally dont think its the best idea under the assumption its "probably" more common to misuse a massive library

maybe it could fit better under a "web automation" skill?

[vast shoal]

I mean, if it's widely used for that purpose, it doesn't really matter if it's technically a good idea or not, if you apply somewhere where it's used, it's a bonus, and people generally won't look down on you for knowing how to use popular tools.

[next plover]

is it widely used for webscraping?

[vast shoal]

I think so, yeah.

Especially nowadays, dynamically loaded content is extremely common.

[next plover]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[stable fox]

I think it's a tool which was created for web automation testing but mostly people use it for scraping too. I think when they do it to a large extend without respecting the server rules, it becomes a wrong thing to do.

[vast shoal]

It usually violates the terms of service.

[stable fox]

Oh by default ? I didn't know that.

[next plover]

yes

[vast shoal]

But there are exceptions. In the case of my former employer, it was an online payment service that scraped and interacted with bank websites with their permission, until they had time to develop their own APIs.

[next plover]

now its a legal gray area so if you do it just dont mention it in this server

[vast shoal]

Hm, I don't know about by default, but the vast majority of popular services have clauses the expressly forbid it.

[next plover]

like google

[stable fox]

This template looks very good btw.

[plucky cipher]

I am really afraid what if i don't have the ability to achieve the goal i want...i have no offline support...i am 25 years old and eldest son in my family...
everyone is expecting so much out of me...but IDK if i am capable enough to support my parents with a good job...

[stable fox]

You are exactly me. I'm 25, eldest son, worried about family, lot of expectations, Not sure how to find a way and always doubting myself too.

[stable fox]

Nice to meet you 🙂

[plucky cipher]

idk what to say

but really feeling down

[stable fox]

Same here

[plucky cipher]

My parents are not very successful..
and i heard somewhere that you mostly achieve the level as much as your parent's

[stable fox]

I blame my parents too sometimes because I got their genes. Sometimes I wish, with the right friends group or right guidance, I can reach somewhere but I've never found anyone.

[long solar]

If you were relaxed and taking it easy you'd probably end up less successful

[next plover]

This is completely wrong

Unless you tell yourself that in which case it would come true

[smoky quest]

Don't wait on others.
You are in control of your life, the master of your own domain

[next plover]

Go do great things and ignore anyone judging you who hasn't first tried it

[smoky quest]

nothing stops you today to impart change

[next plover]

Don't become a prisoner to other people's opinions or perceptions of you

[smoky quest]

To be clear, your future is your sole responsibility. Not on friends, not on mentors or anyone else.

[next plover]

Yup

[stable fox]

That is very true but I'm not sure how to proceed. I lack some basic skills like creating contacts, mingling with people, finding jobs especially with my diverse background in audio and no degree. I like project based learning and I wish I was in a place where I could find someone who can relate to me and work together to achieve something. I wanna create and develop apps and websites and learn how to use these tools that emerge to creating something good. I don't know where to find these opportunities. The only thing I'm doing right now is sending out resumes with no callbacks.

[smoky quest]

You don't need to find anyone to start.
Pick up a book or tutorial and go through it and make projects along the way

[next plover]

I had issues with communication and networking so I volunteered to do a presentation to my entire department at work and just started asking people if the wanted to have a quick conversation, know I personally know a CISO of a fortune 500, you have to eliminate the fears and worries and just go for it. Worst case scenario someone doesn't like you

Networking will get you so far in life

[stable fox]

This is something which I've been doing to get a job - https://sites.google.com/view/manesh-kumar-k-projects/home

It's not very good. Since I needed projects to showcase and also learn along the way, I created a system prompt which made the llm a project based tutor which also teaches the concepts along the way and in the end you not only learn, but you'll also have a project that you worked on through the process.

Yesterday, I had an interview for an Admin role at a company called IFM here in Abu Dhabi. Got it through a referral, and the understanding was it's an office job at their HQ.

The whole thing started off messy. They scheduled me for 10 AM. I get there, suited up (parents insisted on a new suit lol), and they're like, 'Actually, the main guy isn't here, can you come back at 2 PM?' So, cab fare down, and I head back. Come 1:40 PM, after I'm already on my way back for the 2 PM slot, I get an email: 'Oh, it's gonna be online now.' Seriously. So, more cab fare wasted. Still wore the suit for the Teams call, though!

The interview with the main manager (Shebin) was... intense. Dude was super harsh from the get-go. Grilled me about switching jobs, basically told me my audio skills were useless there (his exact words were something like 'you can keep your audio softwares at your home'), and emphasized it wouldn't be a 9-5, with site visits and long hours. Felt like he was just trying to find reasons not to hire me, even though it was a referral. I told them my salary expectation was 5.5K AED.

Then, after all that, HR (Pratyusha) calls me in the evening. She's like, 'Okay, we're offering you the job!' And then comes the kicker:

1. I'd have to relocate full-time to this remote place called Mirza in the Western region.

2. The salary? 3.5K AED. A massive drop from what I asked and needed.

3. No clear idea how long I'd be stuck in Mirza.

Honestly, I was fuming. It felt like a total bait-and-switch. They dragged me around all day, the manager was rude, and then they hit me with an offer that was basically impossible to accept. Felt like they just interviewed me because of the referral and then set it up so I'd have to say no.

Talked it over with my dad. Initially, he was like, 'Maybe if it's in Abu Dhabi office, 3.5K is okay?' But once I explained the whole vibe and he heard the details, he totally got it. Turns out, his colleagues had even warned him against IFM, saying it's not a good place, but he thought an admin job at HQ would be fine. Once he knew the full story, he was like, 'Yeah, just decline. We don't need those negative vibes. We'll find something better.' Super supportive.

So yeah, sent them a polite 'thanks but no thanks' email this morning, basically saying there was a misunderstanding about the role's location and the offer wasn't a fit.
TL;DR: Got a referral for what I thought was a local admin job. Ended up being a runaround, a harsh interview, and an offer to move to the middle of nowhere for way less money. Dodged a bullet, I think!

[near ocean]

You know, they never tell you this but you dont have to sit there and take a harsh interview
You could end a difficult interview right away or whenever you want really, an interview is a two way street, not an interrogation

[buoyant seal]

The funny point to this all that if we try to find 1 room apartment in abu dhabi, the prices goes from 2416 AED per month according to google (and some sites say from 4000)
Supposed to be possible renting single room in shared way per 800-1000 AED monthly though.
Add to this costs of moving to the job and consider if it is worthy 😅

In this specific job it will be obviously also payment in mental stress in addition. High toxity manager. Usually such things are acceptable only for people with no job security and taking Anything.

So... 3.5K salary in Abu Dhabi is very close to basically equal to basic home and food. unless u will be using Shared room option in which case u will probably be able to save half of salary per month

[peak imp]

Hi guys, I was wondering if anyone got the PCAP certificate? Is it worth it? Does it add weight within companies? Is it easy to get?

[buoyant seal]

Different people, different situations -_-.
I will be trying to save money as much as i can so i could get eventually the level where i could be for years without jobs if i wish hopefully.
Helps a lot to be more confident in job searches

[stable fox]

I rejected the offer today. They didn't even reply back just like I expected.

Dear Pratyusha,

Thank you for offering me the Admin position at IFM and for your time, as well as that of Shebin and Kavitha, during the interview process.

There seems to have been a misunderstanding regarding the nature of the role. Based on the information I received from the referral source, I understood the position to be an admin job primarily based at the Abu Dhabi head office. This was the basis on which I prepared and applied.

After learning during the final interview that the role requires full-time relocation to the Western region for the project, and considering the offered remuneration of 3.5K AED, I have concluded that this position is not the right fit for my current career objectives and personal circumstances.

Therefore, I will not be accepting the offer at this time.

I wish IFM all the best in finding a suitable candidate for the role.

Sincerely,

[wraith harbor]

i had an interview last month in dubai that was really toxic as well. ended up leaving early

[buoyant seal]

Dubai is very hot also country, going to suck living in it
Like inhumanly hot, with average day temperature +38 today -_-
And it could raise up to 43-48C

I would be very questioning my life choices if i would accept some day working there

[white relic]

no, not really, no, and sure, if you have money to burn

[wraith harbor]

yeah its only real hustlers that live there

[peak imp]

Yeah it looks expensive, that's why. I can totaly ask my company to buy it for me but I don't wanna do that if it's not that much helpful... Thanks haha

[buoyant seal]

There are advantages too, like zero taxes i think. So just cost of living is substracted.
I think i could accept work some day there... as long as salary is matching my expectations hehe strongly
for smth like 30k AED per month working there could be nice i guess (or more 😄 )

[wraith harbor]

if you already have a programming job i dont think a certificate is going to have any impact on your career

[stable fox]

Super hot. Going out to look for a job is not an option.

[harsh river]

there aren't any actually useful python certs atm

[stable fox]

There are a lot of people who earn that amount. Even 20K can get you a great solo life.

[buoyant seal]

i mean... it could be attractive to work there as long as got the job Before flying to dubai/emirates itself.
Finished job and just flying away back. No point to be there longer than it is necessary.

[peak imp]

That's good to know. Maybe I could find one that's cheap or something so recruiters that doesn't have any knowledge into that might be a bit like "woah" but I guess it doesn't worth spending anything on it. Thank you too!

[smoky quest]

Do you really want to work with people who lack such level of knowledge?

Generally speaking, betting on ineffective interviewers will result in ineffective coworkers and a frustrating experience

[peak imp]

Mh yeah probably

[stable fox]

I used to work in a good team. Coworkers were great but the other departments lacked knowledge and we lacked support from management. So any errors always used to come to our head in the end.

[fringe sphinx]

There's also several levels of people involved in hiring. The recruiters (the front line) are really just coordinators. They get resumes, do simple keyword searches, and work with hiring managers to decide on who to interview.

The hiring managers will be more sophisticated than the people you talk to first

[peak imp]

Yeah that's also true

[hearty island]

goddamnit i hate ATS, i am getting screwed bc i can't do keywords in compliance without lying about my exp

[open ivy]

Isn't it unfair that Kim Kardashian gets showered in attention while I get socially rejected?

.replace("Kim Kardashian", "FAANG").replace("I", "small hidden gem companies who will hire anyone with decent tech skills even if exp does not match and do not use ATS systems").

Everyone complains how unfair the world is. Few people actually each out to those with the short end of the stick. Some really nice, interesting people and companies to find.

[hearty island]

???

[pine sleet]

nobody is socially rejecting "small hidden gem companies" lol

lots of people apply to both

[hearty island]

what am i reading

[open ivy]

There are lots of small companies that don't get that many applications. And don't use ATS because it would serve no purpose to them. And have approachable CEOs or lead techs who are willing to talk for 5 minutes with you before applying (greatly boosts the odds).

[pine sleet]

idk but i notice it's a pattern that you turn any convo into something about your social skills. maybe food for thought

[hearty island]

who me?

[pine sleet]

nah

calibay

[hearty island]

i just bitch lol

[open ivy]

How are they getting past the PageRank?

[pine sleet]

whats pagerank

[hearty island]

^

[open ivy]

It's a popularity contest converted into a mathematical algorithm.

It makes it hard to see past the top few results.

[pine sleet]

ok that didn't really help. but i looked it up and it seems like google's SEO algorithm.
you're finding jobs off linkedin, right? it should have filters. it should be pretty trivial to find smaller, local companies because there are a lot more of them than there are big tech companies

seo should not be a big factor here

[open ivy]

LinkedIn also uses PageRank. I think filters can help a bit.

How should I go about getting a 5 min chat about the position before applying?

[pine sleet]

the application page should have a phone number or some other contact you can react out to

[open ivy]

That may be a good initial filter. If they can't even give 5 min of their time then that means they have enough applicants and I can move on.

[open ivy]

Lol yes we all have our favorite topic! The number of men who are obsessed with sports (more specifically, teams, games, and athletes, not so much playing or inventing variants) is staggering.

[buoyant seal]

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[daring kiln]

Hello guys

[true harness]

pagerank is for search engines . how is an ats using pagerank

[open ivy]

The ats is not using PageRank. But the LinkedIn search engine that we use is using PageRank and so funnels people to the most popular companies.

[true harness]

pagerank relies on links between pages, right? do those exist on linkedin?

[icy pagoda]

honestly wish i did this sooner but back then, i wasn't too sure about my future either. what if walking off meant you mess up the only chance you had

tbf i don't really mind harsh interviews in the normal sense either (ie questions i couldn't answer well enough), i mind them when i start to think they're terrible at actually interviewing/understanding themselves

also i thought pagerank is far more sophisticated now than the random algo i learnt in classes, that one could be cheesed

[faint depot]

I’m applying for a call centre job. Apologies if its technically off topic for the server but I just want to as what sort of questions theyll likely ask. Its a job with a company called first contact centre (based in the uk) that works as a customer service centre for multiple train services. What likely questions will they likely ask and how should I respond to them? Thank you

Btw Im taking the job because I need some income whilst I wont be in uni for the next 4 months and to pay for uni fees as well

[plain vector]

hi

[fringe sphinx]

Most interviews start with something like; "Tell me about yourself", "What are your goals", "Why are you interested in this job?"

[faint depot]

I obviously know that but I mean what other questions theyll likely ask as in will they ask about how I handle a particular situation and shit like that

[fringe sphinx]

Sure, typical stuff like: "Tell me about a difficult work experience you've had" or "Tell me about a time you had to overcome adversity in your job", etc. Google "behavioral interview questions"

[exotic sonnet]

hello, is the discord api still down?

[open ivy]

Yes it does, in the form of who is following who.

LinkedIn is not trying to help us reach out to lonely people. They keep emailing us and asking us to follow people who have 10000+ followers and are already showered in attention. I have much better networking prospects reaching out to people who actually need connections.

So LinkedIn is using the standard approach of letting things go viral at the expense of the median-popularity user.

[red sun]

i don’t think so

[hearty island]

what do you think about this?

too many red boxes, 0/10

it's rough man, i'm trying to mess with the margins on it

like this is with them on narrow

[near ocean]

Why not exp on top?
Its more recent, right?

[hearty island]

i can do that, yea. is now an appropriate time for that? i've been in the role for 10 months

how would it look then? experience - education - certs - skills?

[violet coyote]

Technical skills more visible would be great

[hearty island]

oh i didn't even answer your q, case of the saturdays

[violet coyote]

Idk but key skills on top of experience is more eye comforting it'll look kinda messed up like that

Just my personal opinion

[proud glacier]

if you're not going to have it on the top, then don't center-justify/align the key skills text IMO
just aesthetically

[hearty island]

aaagh i have repetitive key skills, yikes.

oh wait i figured it out

[near ocean]

Just formatting things but idk about the alignment on your skills

Also I would either do them first or last, first if theyre in a single line, last if theyre bigger and in bullet points

[hearty island]

yea i see what you're saying

there are 6 at top, 2 at the bottom. how about evening it out and adding another 4?

something like this maybe?

i mean it still has 6 at the top, 5 at the bottom. but to the eye it's a lot more appealing.

nope bullets are misaligned. goddamnit lmao

also, do you guys typically use .docx for resumes?

[near ocean]

pdfs always

[hearty island]

yea .docx is fucking me up

[sand lantern]

i am currently doing dsa in cpp and then thought of starting development, i completed html,css and js and then someone told me that do ml after cpp, now i got confused as many people say that there is no internship or job in ml

[peak halo]

ML is popular at the moment, but jobs that involve training and developing ML require a lot of specialized training (often a masters degree in CS) and are competitive.

[hearty island]

would you say cover letters matter/help?

[peak halo]

help in what way?

all those positions are going to get several qualified applicants. if someone isn't one of them, there's probably nothing they can say in a cover letter that will get them one of the interview slots.

[hearty island]

idk, do they give you an advantage at all? are they even read?

[peak halo]

I think they're probably only read in the context of upper-level positions, if at all.

[keen arrow]

No because Meta Language is better.

[peak halo]

What?

[keen arrow]

for ML

[peak halo]

Idk in what sense you're talking about meta language. Unless otherwise specified, ML stands for machine learning on this server

[fringe sphinx]

For me, they don't matter and I can't remember last time I saw one

[hearty island]

maybe it's just a coincidence, but i'm seeing that workday really likes jake's resume compared to the new one i just built using hiration

as in everything autopopulates properly in workday

just food for thought

[edgy mesa]

Your resume is like mines except I have no certa haha

[hearty island]

you're in a role currently too?

my certs helped me land my first full-time role ever

[edgy mesa]

I have a bachelors degree in info sys but I have no experience but we graduate same time lol

[edgy mesa]

Interesting

[hearty island]

what country are you in? oh same.

[hearty island]

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tonyhammon1_workday-resume-format-activity-7114380680414789633-gsaR might try this out???

[hearty island]

wait huh, it works! i just tested it against a couple of workday positions

[tulip nova]

Adeus

[rough robin]

L server icon

So distracting lol

[fast fossil]

it's very rather pretty and bright and colorful and radiant

[rough robin]

Litteraly looks like it’s against the rules

Rule 3 name policy

[molten spoke]

Off topic for this channel, this is for career discussion.

[rough robin]

Kk idrc

I’ll stop though since ur gonna ban me anyways

[balmy spade]

This is career discussion.

[livid crescent]

i got big issue on raspberry pi
can someone help

[fervent spoke]

Hey seniors can I get another resume review

[foggy jewel]

im not a senior but that looks pretty good i cant lie

[fervent spoke]

Made some changes according to the suggestions of the seniors of this channel

[rustic jetty]

Im 15 and i wanna ask you experienced guys for help, i wanna earn some small cash from a job, could be freelancing or anything. Do you guys have any idea on what coding languages should i learn so i can freelance code. Im willing to learn.

And i have no idea of the required skill to actually be needed for coding something

[lilac notch]

Yea, I could use some help, too

[near ocean]

At 15 there is virtually no chance you'll find a tech job full time or part time
Freelancing is also basically impossible as there are much more experienced people charging way less

If you want money and cant ask your parents for an allowance your best bet would be some sort of hospitality/retail job

[tribal condor]

What is this new logo guys

[near ocean]

#changelog but also this isnt the channel to talk about it

[wraith harbor]

those freelancers are working really hard too. worked with one recently and he told me he leaves his phone on max volume while he sleeps in case a client emails him.

[warped rivet]

hi

[tribal condor]

Sorry

[rustic jetty]

Tough world😭

Is there any discord server you guys know that can help me freelance on those retail thing instead

[balmy mural]

You'd normally find retail/hospitality jobs in normal stores around where you live. It's not a freelancing job or something where you're likely to find a job on discord

[summer leaf]

F pride💀

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384>

[proud glacier]

they already left the server

[open ivy]

So if I have a business I should hire them. Highly skilled talent at a low cost, available 24/7? What's not to like?

Like why even hire people for 200k with full benefits?

[near ocean]

You could, many companies do
Should you?

[balmy mural]

Freelancers aren't available 24/7. They're juggling you with their other clients. So unless you have some sort of agreement where they're always available for just your project, they're going to be focussing on other clients and won't be available at the drop of a hat. This could work for some companies, it might not work for others

[open ivy]

Ok.

Keep in mind that I don't recommend overworking. Personally I can't fall back asleep fast enough to justify being on call 24/7. If you feel that you can easily do so and have no trouble getting enough sleep your case may be different.

Remember that overworking is not an option long term. If you don't dial back your workload to a sustainable level you will burn out and then be underperforming. Which is worse for keeping the job than just setting a safe limit and sticking with it.

[violet coyote]

After CS degree it is hard to get a ML job for sure and I'm working on masters

Do i need to get some entry level other roles so i can use that experience for ML? And if so what jobs/roles i should be looking at? In general that is easier to get entry level roles in

[peak halo]

is the masters degree focused on ML? It needs to be.
Do courses, research, and internships related to ML.

[violet coyote]

Yup it is

[ember yarrow]

[molten spoke]

@supple jay please don't post off topic messages in topical channels

[sand lantern]

so like i'm asking should i go for web dev for now?

[lilac yoke]

If “web dev” means you want to be another JS framework-centric developer, no

[sand lantern]

i mean yeah

i don't want to get into webdev field, i am doing my dsa for mnc's i just want to get internship that's why i am doing it

[hearty island]

fuck this, i hate core values + mindset assessments

[hearty island]

it crashed on me the entire time

[barren sandal]

Bep bop hacker things

[hearty island]

sigh

[tranquil umbra]

Hey if i wanna get into software engineering, ai and ml, should i get a cs degree or a software engineering degree?

also are there any good python courses w certification? please give me suggestions

[fringe sphinx]

Are you asking whether you should get a degree? Or, which degree?

[tranquil umbra]

which degree

[fringe sphinx]

Either are fine, there's very little difference in most schools curriculum for each.

[lilac yoke]

I disagree, Computer Science is almost always the better option

Any computer science student will have taken what the SWE majors are required to as electives

From what I’ve seen, the SWE major will have you doing less math and theory (the useful parts of a CS degree) and instead require you to take classes like “web design” or “mobile app development” (which will rarely be a well taught class, professors are 10 years behind on current industry standards).

[pine sleet]

Probably should just do CS

[fringe sphinx]

Depends on the program. They're not all so bad, but yes: whatI've seen is really like a 'concentration' of a CS program than truly different.

[fast fossil]

<@&831776746206265384>

[molten spoke]

!cban @vivid swan spam

!pban @vivid swan spam

[radiant vortex]

!cleanban 870400185178652732

[inner wren]

:x: User is already permanently banned (#103117).

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @vivid swan permanently.

[molten spoke]

oobs

[fast fossil]

!rule ad

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[eager violet]

I can hardly bring myself to learn through documents, but I'm afraid I'll be stuck in tutorial hell if I learn through youtube videos, even when i truly fully understand the material and practice it. I can never come up with project ideas of my own to practice new skills which have been troubling me alot and slowing me down for the past year
any advice?

[tranquil storm]

Make something that you haven not made. What you make will depend on your experience level. A terminal game is an easy beginner project that will bring some challenges. Maybe do tic tac toe or hangman without the graphics.

If you want to explore gui apps, you could do a simple gui game, like breakout or a card game. Maybe a simple crud app if you're a bit more advanced and want to build something that connects to a db

[eager violet]

They're mostly either easy or shockingly advanced, which gets me stuck in this loop of no real progress

[tranquil storm]

How do those applications deliver value? Share how the app was successful and made someone's job easier.

[still condor]

What differentiates this project from other to do lists?

[pine sleet]

Needs more concrete information, right now it's very fluffy.

creating a scalable
how? how many machines did you deploy it to?
user-friendly
how can you tell? do you have reviews from which you can get statistics on what people think abou tit?
stuff like that

[wraith harbor]

!kindling you can start with an easy project and expand it to make it more challenging. The madlibs project on this page is a good example of that

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[rare plover]

Hi guys, does any1 here work in the quant/HFT space or pursuing it?

What would you say the best degree is for that type of work, im a bit stuck on deciding what degree to go towards for it.

[peak halo]

one way to answer that question is to look at job listings for those positions and see what degrees they mention

[rare plover]

Ye I've been looking and most I've seen say you need a degree in maths, finance/economics, engineering or statistics.
I can go into any of them for the degree I just want to make sure I'm choosing the best option.

[hearty island]

ik just the server for you lol, i'm a mediator on it. it's for financial careers ppl.

[rare plover]

Could you share it with me if you don't mind pls?

[hearty island]

IM'd it over

[elfin hound]

Hi, so is started with python recently, I finished the 4hr crash course on yt just to get the feel of the syntax since I have some previous experience with c++ c# java and js, and I'm wandering what would be the best way to learn more/go deeper. I've heard automation and scripting is most beginner friendly. At this point I don't really have any main goal go achieve with this language just looking to learn more of it

[peak halo]

when you did the four hour crash course, how often did you pause the video and write code? because you won't have passively learned much from watching a video.

just think of things that you could have written in languages you know, and write it in Python. it doesn't matter if it's practical or interesting.

put your knowledge from the 4hr crash course to the test.

[elfin hound]

@peak halo Oh I already finished a couple small projects to let the knowledge settle im working on one a bit bigger at the moment. But yeah I did those after watching the course, like I said basic knowledge of programming I know I just haven't had experience with python syntax before and tbh it seems way simpler then the ones I used to work with

[lilac yoke]

if you put “to do list app” on your resume you’ll get blacklisted

[modest steeple]

Ok lets change the question, any girl want to learn above intermediate bug bounty with me ?

[kindred oyster]

me

[languid rover]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-crying-patrick-spongebob-sad-gif-355481321846362250

“ any girl “

[modest steeple]

Do u have any sister then we can continue together

[harsh river]

<@&831776746206265384>

[icy pagoda]

why 💀

[radiant vortex]

@modest steeple This is not the place to do that

Please don't ask again

[near ocean]

What does it do beyond being a todo list and can you convince someone asking that it is not in fact just a todo list

[vast shoal]

There are to-do lists, and then there are to-do lists. (SSO, sync across devices, backend scaling, plugin support, markdown renderer, comments, teams, projects, deadlines, alerts, calendars, etc.)

[near ocean]

A simple project wont get you blacklisted btw, but it wont exactly help you either

[vast shoal]

HTML, I guess

It's pretty much a given, so it feels like filler to add it explicitly

[buoyant seal]

CSS arguably is next least worth to mention
Unless u intend to emphasize your ability to wield custom CSS styling well

[near ocean]

inb4 ATS reject you cause they cant find html and css on the pdf
Stay safe, slap them on at the very end

[quick torrent]

Hey

[fast fossil]

<@&831776746206265384> I think this is the second time they post this

[white relic]

!clban 1320052927326457906 advertising again after ban

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @livid crescent permanently.

[hard agate]

L pfp

[fringe sphinx]

This is one giant wall of (presumably) AI text, can you shorten it to a concrete question?

[icy pagoda]

A well-executed "Multimodal Note Embedding" would impress me

I've tried to get AI to generate latex for handwritten mathematical suff before, it either tries to force in it's existing knowledge or messes up bad - sometimes completely changing the meaning

[dense mesa]

Some combination of maths, stats and optionally CS. Finance/econ isn't sufficient

[visual flax]

Should I as a computer engineer be grinding leetcode everyday?

[fringe sphinx]

Nope. Not unless you're prepping for an interview that you know is leetcode heavy.

That said, I think some leetcode is healthy... as like a weekly or monthly challenge.

[visual flax]

So I guess 2-4hours a week?

[fringe sphinx]

imo, at max. There's plenty of other ways to develop your skills. But if you're not working on large coding projects (which you should be) and just focused on classes, yah.

[visual flax]

Large coding projects being group projects

[fringe sphinx]

Not necessarily. Forget the "large" part... just: doing projects.

[outer scarab]

Hi, I got a question: What does a day as an IT-Specialist look like?

[buoyant seal]

• opening list of Jira tasks / list of tasks doing currently.
• morning meeting no more than 30 minutes.
  • telling what u did yesterday, getting assigned what to do next
• reacting to interactions in Slack
• doing research (majority of time towards it)
  • in official documentation
  • github repos
  • interrogating people if necessary
  • pondering how to complete the task (Making coffee, taking shower and thinking based on accumulated information)
• writing code (the small part)
• deploying result
• validating it works as intended
  • checking monitoring systems, checking how it works in staging
  • if not then fixing, deploying and validating again, repeat until full completion
• grabbing next task

[hearty island]

another interview

[fringe sphinx]

IT Specialist is pretty non-descriptive. The job could be nearly anything.

[zealous egret]

lol "python is gay" is now official

[analog sun]

Yeah.....

[white relic]

what's the fourth one?

[analog sun]

The Coding Den

[white relic]

oh, heard of it

[void veldt]

Gay

[analog sun]

Yup

Anyways, this is off topic for the channel

[void veldt]

Wtf does that mean

[analog sun]

#ot1-perplexing-regexing is a better place for the discussion

[void veldt]

My bad

[deft herald]

That's an interesting take. Definitely a luxury if you have that option IMO

[fringe sphinx]

Odd. I've always found enough enjoyment from my work to not feel like I need a break.

I certainly left jobs I didn't enjoy.

[deft herald]

that's great. Do you have trouble finding work after the hiatus?

[fringe sphinx]

But, my experience is just mine

[deft herald]

I often feel like i need a break, but usually a week long vacation with the family solves this problem

[fringe sphinx]

Just keep in mind that higher seniority is often more about soft skills.

[deft herald]

tho I'm sure it will be a drag in terms of getting to higher seniority roles

Yeah i think this is correct, same with what Billy said.

[fringe sphinx]

Perhaps, but influence / impact is a big part of job satisfaction for me

[deft herald]

Money is a big part of job satisfaction for me

[buoyant seal]

Nice, but... I wish personally aim to early retirement savings 😄

Could be nice to save enough money before age discrimination will hit me

[fringe sphinx]

I dunno. Money by itself is a terrible ikagai

[fringe sphinx]

That was my early career goal: retire young and teach.

[deft herald]

This is what i want to do too

I'd love to teach high school physics/programming/science after my engineering career

[buoyant seal]

I would wish to be teacher to be fair in retirement too. Except being teacher has such ridiculously low salaries that it is very hard to consider as an option

Like...200 euro per month is very very hard to see as salary.

I guess can work for idea and live on savings

[deft herald]

Yeah it's super unfortunate. They're not paid enough in the US either

[buoyant seal]

https://youtu.be/zi5Z6rNU9Hw?si=HwqNANCWwgZYgG-V
Hehe, how many people desire that

[deft herald]

That's a great scene honestly.

"...surrounded by enormous piles of money!!"

[white relic]

"was"? Did something make you change your mind?

[fringe sphinx]

Age

[white relic]

It's something I've given a lot of thought to, so just wondering

[deft herald]

The "retire young" idea is probably out for me, but the "teach" is sill live. Actually, i've been able to do a little bit of teach on the side through my kids' homeschool program so that's been fun

[fringe sphinx]

Also, I left my PhD program for work.... which got in way of doing some adjunct stuff

[white relic]

ahh

[open ivy]

I am hopeful that once I find "my tribe" within the tech field I will have a chance to be useful to them, and someone will connect me with a job.

How much do you feel that you found "your tribe" in tech and did it help connect you with opportunities?

[near ocean]

My tribe is whoever pays most while letting me work in my pajamas

[balmy mural]

I have a friend who doesn't work in tech, but also a high paying job. She basically goes on a 3 month holiday every 2 years because travelling is what she lives for. It's unpaid leave of course, but if the company won't allow the 3 months, she quits and just finds a new job after travelling.

Her skills are in demand for the work she does. Both her previous company and current one allowed the 3 month breaks

[modest kraken]

How old are you o ancient one

[open ivy]

I am curious how you stay socially so well connected that you can choose to be so picky with job offers? Do you consider yourself less likely to get annoyed at people and less likely to single an individual out and judge them harshly? Those are valuable traits for making new friends and are the first things I look for.

[balmy mural]

I feel like pursuit of knowledge is something that you can easily do in parallel with a normal job though. I know of a few people who are doing their Masters degrees or PhDs while working. It just takes a bit longer to complete

My company even covers the cost of Masters degrees for employees who are interested in pursuing that

Wouldn't research at a university be a much better or more interesting career path for you then instead of most standard tech jobs?

Working 4 days a week is also an option (or 3? But idk how easy that would be to sell to an employer). If the goal is to work as little as possible, it would give you more free time during the weeks you do work. Can still take longer breaks if you want to

You specifically complained about corporate culture though. There are also companies out there where corporate culture really isn't much of a thing. I've not experienced corporate culture at all at my current company

Nor at my previous company, but that was an extremely small startup

I'm not pushing at all. Just sharing my own thoughts and experiences on the topic

[next berry]

tbh that hasnt come across to me at all, seems more of a projection on your end.

water is wet, big institutions don't value individuals, so what. learn a niche, valuable skill and you'll have more leverage over both your time spent and working conditions

[balmy mural]

I enjoy work enough that I don't mind doing it and don't think I'd burn out on it, but if I were in a position where I could stop working for a year to focus on other interests in life without it making much of a change to my future prospects, it's definetly something I'd seriously consider

[next berry]

our society is centred around work for pretty good reasons lol, only with "recent" technology have we been able to break away from the constant cycle of survival

efficient to what extent lol, the western free market (to be specific at least) is fairly well codified to max shareholder value. make wealthy institutions wealthier.

people have something they want to do, but dont want to do. other people need food and whatever. theres the market as per however many millennia. if you did not work in the pre industrial revolution age, you would probably perish from the lack of established state welfare

[wraith harbor]

i dont know your situation, but if you can afford to alternate years of working and not working like that, couldnt you keep working, save and invest that money and then retire a lot earlier? since the investments would compound while you work

[placid geyser]

Well at the base level the purpose of working is to make money to live. Whether you enjoy it or are fulfilled by it are not mandatory but a good bonus. And if you make enough extra to take time to enjoy other things that is also a bonus. However your main underlying purpose is to make money for the company by doing whatever job you have. so the company does well and the shareholders do very well. and then by extension you can continue to keep your job there (in theory)

[placid geyser]

That is indeed a viable alternative and one that is certainly common in thought for those in that situation. You would likely even reach that earlier retirement exponentially faster with compounding of interest and gains and such

[next berry]

the cultural and societal focus on work is pretty ingrained from however many thousands of years that this was a necessity to stay alive (for the most part).

yes, nowadays you dont need to spend most of your waking hours working. find what is a pain for large organisations, do it well enough to be able to do that on your terms.

you are of course competing with everyone else who is looking to do the same thing: working a "full time" job, and/or being present in an office, is a big differentiator in that.

[placid geyser]

certainly agreed for me the main difficulty I would have with large breaks is falling out of practice with things in general. IT could likely be a personal issue though I know I am not alone in it. such as taking even weeks of vacation it can be heard to get back into the swing f things especially if it is something relatively new.

[placid geyser]

yes, nowadays you dont need to spend most of your waking hours working. find what is a pain for large organisations, do it well enough to be able to do that on your term
I mean that is still heavily compnay and industry dependent

well the work to stay alive part is accurate but how much work that entailed, especially the excessive hours of work is a very new concept in the scope of human existence

[next berry]

if other people are gonna be implicit in the assumption that this is for tech in the developed western world, so am i. not here to fret over semantics

its a misconception based on some academic perspectives of fragmented evidence. pretty big sign of privilege to discount this stuff tbh.

[placid geyser]

Not exactly sure what you were trying to counter there but I wasnt implying I was comparing like software dev with retail work or something. I mean within IT and IT companies it is varies a great deal. between even small business, large corporates, startups, etc

[next berry]

even as an incredibly generic, sweeping statement, this is not it chief.

[near ocean]

Im picky because I have a job now
I didnt start out being picky, i started on a 25k inperson london job

[next berry]

yes, and like i said, learn something in demand by large institutions and you reduce the EV of your career risk by a healthy margin.

[open ivy]

So if you lose the job, you have other options and connections who are likely to hire you?

[placid geyser]

I feel like that greatly handwaves over the reality of the situation.

[next berry]

its almost as if the concept of EV and risk attempts to hand wave over generic statements and outcomes

[placid geyser]

you mean like being pedantic or obtuse?

[near ocean]

No, i'd have to be less picky

[next berry]

again, theres a lot that is implicit here from previous discussion. to start splitting hairs on my words shows you have no depth or substance.

[near ocean]

As a consequence of not investing into my network because i dont really want to

[placid geyser]

I mean like if you want to believe that simple actions like you describe are all it takes to vastly improve your career and job placements that is up to you but makes for little point of discussion either

[peak halo]

hold on

[next berry]

1. never said it was simple, in fact it's incredibly complex. however you want to define that 🙂

2. never said vastly improve. said it improves EV of career risk.

would recommend rereading before arguing into empty space.

[open ivy]

You already have enough friends? I am still lonely and clingy, less so than during my PhD but still an issue.

If you have a nice wide circle already in your field and they can vouch for you you are in a good position.

[peak halo]

this isn't appropriate--please don't resort to personal attacks. if you have a problem with something a user has said, please use @severe widget

[next berry]

i believe thats a logical fallacy similar to "ad hominem" that philosophy 101 students love to tout

[peak halo]

please drop this

[next berry]

i didnt mention it initially 🙂

[placid geyser]

You implied a great deal of simplicity in the delivery of your solutions and so it is not entirely the fault of the reader to assume the same. You spoke of how 'simple' it was to improve your career, value to business, etc by 'just learning a skill businesses need'

[near ocean]

I dont, its a compromise im willing to take though
Might completely screw me over eventually but oh well
I could have a bigger network and i've had friends offer me referrals and interviews but i've never taken them cause it feels weird

[placid geyser]

same, this is just a pointless semantics argument at this point

[next berry]

perhaps you could consider quoting things ive actually said here instead of making up words

[placid geyser]

There is a reasonable argument to be made about 'exploiting' friend connections. But networking for contacts and connections is still completely valid

[placid geyser]

there is little reason for me to go and copy paste the things you know and can see you said. take care and enjoy your arguing into empty space as you call it

[next berry]

i did not say it improves the "career" alone. it improves EV of career risk. completely different concept, if you think this is just semantics then read up on it please.

'simple' is again taken out of context lol.

interesting to see the quality of this server tbh. was invited as we are considering a hefty sponsorship and already host some py-adjacent events. will see what happens next 😦

[near ocean]

Im trying to minimize the social aspect of the career

[peak halo]

@placid geyser @next berry please disengage.

[placid geyser]

already have.

[placid geyser]

Just for the sake of the awkwardness of feeling like you exploit freindships or similar? I mean there are a lot of social aspects to long term careers. and certainly corpo politics depending on the company

[open ivy]

That's fine. If you want to make friends outside the workplace that is not a bad strategy, it's safer if there are any conflicts.

It does not take that much time to make friends, it's more about consistency, such as being free one hour every two weeks.

[fringe sphinx]

There's also many 'work associates'. People you'd add on LinkedIn but wouldn't call personal friends. There's a reasonable social contract of: refer people you've worked with and be referred

(Maybe social contract is wrong term, I just mean a low stakes relationship)

[near ocean]

Its not really about exploiting friendships, i've never brought it up myself, they offer
Its more of an irrational fear of embarrassing myself at the interview and by extension my friend

[placid geyser]

Certainly having friends that are outside of work is the most ideal. Like it is fine to be friends with people you work with but unless you foster that relationship outside of the workplace there probably isnt much else going on there.

[placid geyser]

I believe that is the right term

[vast shoal]

I really don't have the time or energy for extra friendships outside of work, personally.

[placid geyser]

Ah I can appreciate that as I had the opposite happen where someone I had vouched for (and had even worked with before) bombed an interview in multiple different ways

[near ocean]

Literal nightmare fuel

[wraith harbor]

ive bombed a couple interviews and ive lost the ability to feel shame

[near ocean]

Anyway your negotiating position gets much stronger when youre employed

It might be worth considering getting any tech job and starting your networking journey from there

[placid geyser]

I mean same and that was like 8 years ago by this point but it was still kinda rough, like I didnt get any problem with my job or anything but it was very embarassing to say the least. Especially since it was a senior role

[open ivy]

This is why so many people are lonely.

My loneliness is in part because I like to dig deeper and understand how things work but feel surrounded by people wanting to make apps with off the shelf tools.

But most people who are are lonely are afraid to reach out and yes the fears are irrational, or at least overshadowed by the economic and mental costs of not reaching out.

[placid geyser]

not sure I fully understand the leap between socializing and creating things from scratch. As there are a large majority of jobs that are just handling off the shelf stuff. But that isnt the same as the people there. Like the job you have is not exclusive to your personality

[fringe sphinx]

It's a fair point: there's a reason why academics collaborate from people from diverse institutions: even in different countries. It's hard to find people who are interested in the same things, and the more 'specialized' you get, the harder

[near ocean]

Its easier when employed, have you thought of being less picky about it?
Any start is better than no start

[wraith harbor]

yeah i see what you mean. before i got my first job my friend referred me somewhere and i didnt "bomb" exactly but i got denied, that was a pretty embarrassing moment for me.

[fringe sphinx]

I took this to be: it's hard to meet people who like what you like. It's even harder after Uni where your circle is much smaller.

(Incidentally, funny thing happens when you're a parent... suddenly you're surrounded by your kids friends parents)

[vast shoal]

Bro, I'm so tired of talking to other parents.

[wraith harbor]

that interview they asked me what are the 3 pillars of programming and i just didnt remember lol. i still remember that interview to this day

[peak halo]

idk what those even are

[placid geyser]

Perhaps so though I think that issue depends on what kind of friends or circle you want. Like if you are into programming in javascript while camping on a beach. That certainly has some unique requirements for the social circle. But in the age of communication we live in there is a vast array of people around the world with likely similar interests that you can collaborate with or even become friends.

[peak halo]

are you sure it wasn't the four pillars of OOP?

[fringe sphinx]

You never beat boss level?

[wraith harbor]

yeah i think it was four pillars of oop. well i thought it was 3 pillars but i guess its 4

[vast shoal]

I think it's better to just give up on the idea of having close irl friends who like the exact same thing you like.

[fast fossil]

but no start is better than a start right now

[peak halo]

what?

[vast shoal]

At best you'll have friends who are in the same general area (like other STEM people or something).

[fringe sphinx]

Was making a joke about pillars sounding like a video game level

[placid geyser]

lol pillars of programming, no idea what that is

[still condor]

4 pillars of OOP is a strange meme of unclear origin

[near ocean]

Is it? Bills dont wait for the market to get better

[wraith harbor]

off the top of my head its like mutability, polymorphism and a third one

[fringe sphinx]

Inheritance, encapsulation, polymorphism

[still condor]

Inheritance, polymorphism, encapsulation and absraction

[open ivy]

It's an interest mismatch that makes me more isolated.

Most of the time off-the-shelf is the better way. But sometimes you actualy do need to make something from scratch. Those tasks will better align with my skill set so I would be better off employed in a job where they take up a fair share of the workweek. But people interested in "from scratch" are a minority of people and there isn't a simple term to google. Also a 1 in 10 minority can feel like a 1 in a 100 minority given how social dynamics and search engines apply a "winner take all" bias.

[peak halo]

now james gosling can be happy

[fringe sphinx]

When was abstraction added? I thought it was just the 3. :shakes fist at clouds:

[fast fossil]

oh, wait, that's not what's written in the Zen of Python ||||

[still condor]

I don't think there's a good source of the pillars...
According to Bertrand Meyer, the origin of the "pillars" (in a slightly different wording) is from this paper:

On Understanding Types, Data Abstraction, and Polymorphism
by Peter Wegner and Luca Cardelli, 1985
...
The differences in behavior between packages and records in Ada is avoided in object-oriented languages by extending the notion of type to procedures and data abstractions. In the context of this discussion it is useful to define object-oriented languages as extensions of procedure-oriented languages that support typed data abstractions with inheritance. Thus we say that a language is object-oriented iff it
satisfies the following requirements:

• It supports objects that are data abstractions with an interface of named operations and a hidden local state
• Objects have an associated object type
• Types may inherit attributes from supertypes
  These requirements may be summarized as:
  object-oriented = data abstractions + object types + type inheritance

maybe some sources turned "data abstraction" into "encapsulation" (which perhaps are synonyms as they are commonly used?), and then someone turned "data abstraction" into "abstraction", and then someone else combined them into "encapsulation and abstraction"

[placid geyser]

I guess that makes sense but at the same time the hill you have to climb to prove to a potentiall employer that your from scratch idea is better than off the shelf is quite daunting and is often not the best route to take. I think part of it also comes down to what interests you want to share with the friends that you have. Like if its your passion for work that is fine but what happens when it is time to retire? Or perhaps I am misunderstanding what you mean

[open ivy]

I am not being picky about job offers. If someone offers me a job to make apps with off the shelf tools I will take it (and continue looking for a better match). Even though I would much prefer a job where I am building a tool "from scratch".

But I need to narrow down my search. There are over a thousand cafes within walking distance of a BART station. I can't go to tem all! And many places to meet people are not in cafes. And there is also online which is HUGE.

If I narrow down to those places more looking at tech the way I do, I will still have plenty of places to prospect for.

[placid geyser]

There are in theory easier ways than just dredging through cafes too. spekaing of online there are often things like meetups and such that already exist for a wide variety of interests and locales that are a good place to start. especially since it sounds like you are in a good size city

[open ivy]

You are right generally it is not a good idea to try to drastically change how things are done in a job.

My strategy is networking: Show people all the "from scratch" things I did (and why I needed to make it from scratch). Also, be willing to listen and engage other people's projects because its a two way street.

And hope some offer comes my way. It will be more likely to be from a company that is reinventing a better version of something, but if it is a "standard" job of off-the-shelf I will still take it and can do it.

[open ivy]

Cafes are secondary if you happen to see someone with computer code, meetups do seem better.

[placid geyser]

I mean if you are still new expecting/hoping a job like that comes your way as a fresh start is a bit optimistic tbh. Especially outside of the social networking side of things

[open ivy]

No, I expect the job to come through my networking (making friends, shared interests, etc) not just out of the blue. The choice of community does have a big effect on the kinds of jobs more likely to get.

[near ocean]

How are you getting by now though?
Dont you need some sort of income? You cant just do cafe crawls to meet people

[vast shoal]

<@&831776746206265384>

[open ivy]

I live with my parents, so that works for now. It makes it easier to find a job. If I had no support whatsoever I would be forced to live in a tent (I see many, many people living in tents on my walks because I live in such a nice area where housing prices are insane) and it would be harder. Maybe get a part time retail job in the process?

Indeed, having a place to live and not needing to have income ironically will boost my income in the future.

[fringe sphinx]

Have you considered jobs in tech that might not be the ideal job? Like QA or operations?

[near ocean]

If they want a computation heavy job that might not a good idea though, its hard enough as it is to switch from QA to dev

[peak halo]

!warn 955854635447488572 Your now-deleted message was not appropriate. Please read the #code-of-conduct

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: applied warning to @clear walrus.

[open ivy]

Yes, if someone offers me a QA job I will take it.

That being said, choosing my communities I network with to better match my interests has a double advantage of making more people value me (easier to get a job) and also making the jobs they offer more likely to be a match. So it is less probable that the job is really bad for me.

[radiant vortex]

How much work experience have you had previous to this?

[open ivy]

It's hard to shoehorn "highly advanced features" into your app if there isn't a need to do so. All these features you list are straightforward and have been done many times before, so Chat GPT knows about them.

Are you very good at buisness and marketing? Because that is the hardest part of making such an app and having people use it or making it look good to show to people.

Here are two ways to make a task technically difficult:

1. Build something fron scratch but have a reason to do it. I am working on a physics engine with a different core algorithm.
2. Add on to a complex piece of software. This can get very hard to say add a feature to Blender.

Both of these can get very hard, so you have to be careful to set the correct level of difficulty.

[buoyant seal]

#career-advice message also i answered it before 😄

But lets extend my answer based on what @open ivy said. As i recommend in my article https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html
I recommend to join communities and become User of their tools and apps.
Becoming user of gaming modding communities, becoming user of programming tools like Kubernetes/Terraform and etc.
Finding what interests you, it can be even silly stuff as Community by interests of watching same TV show or being Furry.
(I am personally member of community around one cartoon, that has thousands of adult fans for example)
(as well as member of some gaming modding communities)

What u are part of some communnity, u understand its struggles and able to create tools that Community actually needs
At least some part of it.
As long as u made it in a way that is meeting their Demands (it has necessary features), meeting good level of External characteristics of software (software runs without errors most of the time in a performant way from visual point of view, and easy to run it)
U will get actual users to your software, and be able to develop it further and make more awesome as new features are being implemented on your roadmap or requested by users

It is impressive when u develop something that users actually need
That means u understand your users and able to work with feedback
That means u write your software good enough to look attrative for them
That means u write your code good enough to withstand its code size expansion to meet all feature requirements

Research which tools already exists in domains of your interest
Understand what they are missing, and what audidence can be wishing
And implement smth that was not before, or in quality better than garbage that deprecated and dead. 😄
When u are member of some community u understand usually what audience is missing

I personally had plenty of success of just reprocessing garbage of accumulated software in modding gaming community
I remade all the accumulated tooling in Web way in high quality, with features from all the multiple tools that became missmaintained.
I just based my work on already existing stuff. it was way smaller in features before, it was desktop app for example that was abandoned long ago, i remade it feature rich in a new way
I saw what people needed and wished in the community i am in, and satisfied their desires by making stuff better than they had before

It is common for new software having some edge over previous one, that makes it better than analogs
Providing smth that users DESIRED all along

[twilit portal]

This is some cool insight on how to choose projects, thanks

[buoyant seal]

The resulting software very preferably should be easy accesable for non tech user. 😅
Remember always that regular non tech user is Extremely dumb. not able to do any dev stuff, and never even reads documentation
Reading documentation, and doing dev level of complex installing stuff is exclusive thing that only IT personnel can do.
Regular non tech user expects... somehow interface being intuitive enough/ self describing enough/ resembling other software so that they will be able to guess how to use it as it is

Or at least software u write should be accessable to the level of users u intend it to make it for.
Obviously if u make it for devs, u can just cover it with excellent dev like documentation and provide simple FOR DEVS installations and they will be able to use it
U can leverage documentation for devs through

• Readme
• static site generated docs to Github Pages (Mkdocs is simple thing in python)
• documentation generated from incode comments using tools common to your programming language (Sphinx with autodoc plugin for python)
• investing properly into documentation as a code

Documentation to software meeting level of users it is made for is part of what can make software Extremely Impressive for other devs!
Good documentation meeting the necessary user level makes right away impression that u made it for the audience u intended properly

It is always nice to make dev level documentation in addition even if software is intended for non tech users
As dev level documentation can impress devs that hire u

Software with proper documentation is 2-4 times more impressive than software without it usually. or more like software without documentation gets Debuff of having less impressiveness by 2-4 times than it could have otherwise.

[placid geyser]

The saying in IT is "If it isn't documented then it isnt done". holds true for a lot of aspects of it.
Not just for software

[pine sleet]

it doesnt make it less impressive but it doesnt make it more impressive either

[fast fossil]

it's not "easier" to use an existing chatbot (at least one that you imagine, i.e., something CGPT-like)
it's literally the only way (for you (most likely))

[buoyant seal]

for me? very much less impressive. i consider all AI software being usually AI slop of lowest quality at the bottom. Somewhere near NFT and Web3 buzzwords
But i have strong attitude against AI in general because it is currently highly missused.
Though i can be hypocrite and using it on my own in addition 😄 that i do it more often.

I am able to appreciate only usually original AI work
Original made research and trained neural network
Originally configured self hosted some stuff perhaps for extra cheapness and privacy
Stuff like that

Other average devs should be having probably less that level antagonistic attitude towards it. probably.
But i think good chunk i think at least shares similar to me attitude highly likely.

ergh, i was actually a fan of true AI before this LLM stuff emerged. i mean i am actually a fan of AGI.
I just severaly dislike missusage of LLM and brought human time wasteness with it.
It is just... implemented in such bad way and missused so much that it is sacrilege against real AIs.

[open ivy]

I complained before how there are tons and tons of people doing AI but almost no one wants to be a "neuroscientist" and actually figure out how it works (perhaps with a simpler AI model than a full-scale LLM). This is called AI interperatability.

Think of making an app as a good way to get your feet wet technically or (if you are more ambitious) giving yourself a very BIG challenge in the buisness and marketing world getting users.

[buoyant seal]

it can be time consuming and very not efficient. in general Machine Learning is very expensive subject with a lot of Black Box blindiness to its improvements and debugging
For which reasons i prefer to avoid it.

I think it can be a good idea to take already prepared Data sets from Kaggle, as they are publicly shared and indeed open.
scraping data can be legally bad if u take smth that was not intended to be open. As long as what u take was open for public for scraping on purpose in programmatic friendly ways, then it is good i think.
I am not able usually to be impressed by people with broken morality that scrap things like Social networks facebooks despite it being forbidden

I think it is good idea to be not just touching Machine Learning due to all its problems 😄

i think it can be interesting idea to use already trained public self hosted models. Thus u use already trained models
And u could potentially fine tune them to your purposes in a time efficient way.
Self hosted models are just looking nicer than openai subscriptions because your software can work despite openapi existence or its payments then
It can be a simple Docker Container to run as a web service as an option
Or it can run privately in general on user PC, without interacing with anything external.

People/companies will have far less reservations to use a product that is not sending its data to some unknown party (or even to openai party, as it is looking to most companies as unknown party, as all people leak info)

With docker container isolation to provide resulting product it should also mitigate how much access it will have to user PC/server potentially.
especially if it runs in Non Root docker mod

[visual flax]

How big is a nasa internship at nasa for a mechanical engineer

Is it as big as it sounds or am I overhyping it?

[pine sleet]

depends on what you do there

[cerulean sail]

Hi does anyone have the python certification do you think is worth it?

[pine sleet]

there aren't really any

[cerulean sail]

I read aboun python institute is that actually valid certificate?

[pine sleet]

it might be, but it'll just be a waste of your time and possibly money

[buoyant seal]

i'll be honest that i don't have compliments for such approach.

• Openai wrapper = AI Slop
• React with javascript as being ultimate scripting slop, the worst modern software.
• Django... again pretty much slop i think as it was made for hacky development by novices, not minding to adhere to its very opinionated architecture
  Slop + Slop + Slop.

I am just not able to appreciate it due to high usage of fast to prototype worst tech with lack of investment into any code quality or maintanance. Other average devs here will be able to appreciate much more

I would have prefered smth awesome made in pure Backendish approach (without Javascript! Or having JS to minimum in general)
smth with more self hosting, indepent running
Smth made in higher quality level with Golang/Java/or even .Net could be interesting to see
Smth with unit testing, documentation, observability systems

[harsh river]

it's not recognized by any major company

[cerulean sail]

Thanks @pine sleet I had the idea that certifications were important, I am network engineer. They value certificates in networking world CCIE for example. is a big plus

[pine sleet]

yeah, certificates are valued in fields like networking and cybersecurity but not so much in software engineering

[harsh river]

that's because certificates in those fields are backed by reputable entities and recognized by industry companies

[cerulean sail]

thanks @pine sleet that is great point of view. I tried a junior developer role a few weeks ago as a side job I was not able to do it. To many new things for me

good poing @harsh river . Cisco and major vendors have a lot of money inversted in this certification tracks

[pine sleet]

you just need practice. do projects on your spare time and learn as much as you can

[cerulean sail]

In software I guess is more of a portfalio . at least that is what I have been reading

To much information. to many places where to get the info sometimes is more complicated.

[buoyant seal]

When u invest into making stuff in quality way
U are able to make things feature rich and able easily writing dozens thousands of code lines
And it is just nicer to maintain

as a former student i already wrote code that was garbage that was easier to throw away than to continue.
I wrote such garbage many times for YEARS.
I value all the investment into writing better stuff so it would be maintainable, so for those reasons i value all the stuff i mentioned before about adding code quality related stuff

[cerulean sail]

is there a source to validate what quality code means are there standards guides ?

[harsh river]

yep exactly.

whereas there's no one backing the PI, nor are they recognized by the PSF or any other major name

[buoyant seal]

https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
Most crucial part is unit testing

Otherwise everything else is mentioned for major part in Code Complete (at least at generic overview level at minimum)
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction
it has chapter about Internal and External characteristics of software, it recounts all code quality stuff principles pretty much Chapter 20.1
Code quality is all Internal characteristics usually, so starting from .

Programmers care about the internal characteristics of the software as well as the
external ones. This book is code-centered, so it focuses on the internal quality charac-
teristics, including
later book tells how to improve Software quality all techniques
Later book makes overview about each way to improve it

It is part of learning System Design also to understand how u can improve software in terms of External characteristics
It is part of learning to debug performance of your software to improve its External characterstics
otherwise for major part all the internal characteristics increase by 3-10-50 times if u just code with unit testing properly with understanding to manipulate architecture to meet testability demands

it is your life. Many devs live with React and Django fine for their entire career.
I would recommend to try different tech and find out what u are able to like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6rP-YP4c5I
then work with it
Find what u are able to appreciate. Try other languages before committing yourself to specific path
Try other types of software development before commiting yourself to specific job role

[twilit portal]

Well, if you're applying for jobs that require React knowledge, then a project built with React probably does add value.
Same goes for Django
I'm not a recruiter, just my opinion

[smoky quest]

This is not where the value lies.
You can pick up either of these in one afternoon after reading their doc.

The value is what you can do with them.

[buoyant seal]

i will just advice that if u work with React/Django, properly invest into React to build stuff in a quality way if u intend to be frontend dev
if u wish to work with Backend and python, properly invest into doing backend development in quality way.
If u wish to work in other job roles, invest into their stuff how to work with it

it becomes very much slop because u are scratching each tech from different job roles together, but not using it for the way to write maintainable software.
I believe using better languages than that can be better approach, and that at least University graduates can do more than use Javascript for scripting slop
But u can write quality stuff with Typescript or Python too. it is question of time investment into code quality ways to use it.
When u just scratch everything together, but not making any of it maintainable, it is slop
(the book Code Complete with chapter 20.1 explains as mentioned characteristics of software and how to write it in quality way)
Invest into writing maintainable software preferably, u will be able to appreciate working with it more.
Though as i mentioned before scripting languages have inbuilt limitations and it is nice to try building stuff with other languages like C#/Go/Java, so that u could at least know that scripting languages is not everything and there is an easier way to code potentially, at least if u will be able to appreciate that othe rway
May be u will discover that u prefer to work with scripting languages

Take stuff i say with grain of salt, some people prefer to work entire their career with scripting langauges and even find themselves more productive with them
My opinion is mine, u need to find stuff that works for you. U need to stuff that u are able to appreciate
Appreciating stuff u work with makes learning it 5 times easier

[near ocean]

You can

[buoyant seal]

Answer u can. You can if you try hard.
If u invested into unit testing Django part properly at least.
If u invested into covering with typescript react preferably
if u invested preferably into generating typescript from defined data types of Django (Ninja?)

People make quality stuff with javascript/typescript like Vscode/Or Discord where we are
It is just extremely rare to encounter properly quality stuff in this tech
Even if u are from big company, high chances u get stuff everyone complains about if u made thing in this tech.
The infamous AWS CLI for example made in python and being super slow

it is just hard to make it in a maximum quality way in this tech
And easy to forget all the hidden knowledge accumulated through the code in a code that is not having through static typing
it is just hard to refactor resulting code when it is not having static typign and not easy restructure or rename across all code without breaking it
it is just hard to write performant way in scripting languages that have only single core to them available, and scale only through multiprocessing
scripting languages have inbuilt limitations to them, u use them to make things faster at the cost of accumulated technical debt
Networked software mostly able to work around those problems with parallelism performance since network delays are quite high as it is, but it is still a limitation what u can do with it easily

Sure. There are languages and technologies that solved all those problems.
They have their own set of problems, but price to use them can be a thing a dev can be much more willing to pay

Exactly. i am a person that willing to pay such prices for the sake of all those advantages and being productive in a style fitting me

[wraith harbor]

well guys my interview went extremely well they didnt even ask me to code. now i just have to meet with the ceo and rizz him up

i am definitely underqualified but i somehow convinced them

[fringe sphinx]

That's awesome. I don't suggest bringing the rizz.

[fringe sphinx]

But, a good attitude and interest in growth and a 'someone I want to work with' personality will go far.

[stable fox]

I have been reading through some of the previous chats where some people were saying that applying through the company portals directly were better than applying though job boards like Linkdin, Indeed etc. So I have created a keyword search filter which can filter out the company portals for you. Here is an example. You can customize the location and websites to your taste. Don't forget to filter by week or month. (After that, you can bookmark it for easy access).

"Abu Dhabi" ("career*" OR "job*" OR "vacancy*" OR "hiring" OR "opportunities") -site:linkedin.com -site:indeed.com -site:naukrigulf.com -site:bayt.com -site:dubai.ae -site:u.ae -site:efinancialcareers.com -site:skillbee.com -site:jooble.org -site:3abkry.com -site:gulfcareerhunt.com -site:vacancies.ae -site:founditgulf.com -site:michaelpage.ae -site:emiratihire.ae -site:naukri.com -site:catererglobal.com -site:mourjan.com -site:glassdoor.com -site:abudhabi.com -site:glassdoor.co.in -site:facebook.com

[wraith harbor]

Yeah thank you I appreciate it. I won't get my hopes up but I will be trying my best

[tight nebula]

guys I'm looking for remote work is anyone hiring remote

[pine sleet]

this isn't the server for finding jobs

[dense comet]

Hey, how’s your day going?
I’m not a wizard who can do it all, but let’s tackle your problem together!

This is me.
https://www.alwayswithu.xyz/

[proud glacier]

Hi, this isn't the place to advertise or look for clients.

[vast shoal]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[tawny hedge]

Hi guys. I was wondering how i can find people to make solve them problems in python? I would do it for free!

[stable fox]

Hey I have some ideas. DM me.

[vestal echo]

i heard java and python were beefing

[vapid jay]

After learnimg python. what coding languages should i learn/what other stuff i learn?

[vestal echo]

just learn hacking

most of hacking is social based so u wont need to write much code

[buoyant seal]

!rule 5 , <@&831776746206265384>

[inner wren]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[buoyant seal]

JavaScript/Typescript at least at junior level is good to know for any web dev.

SQL knowing well is good to know for any web backend dev

Golang, Java/Kotlin, .Net could be interesting to learn for higher grade quality development
With optionally doing Android, desktop dev too and not only backend

[radiant vortex]

@vestal echo if you want to discuss this, please move to #cybersecurity and ensure you don't go into any specifics with providing help that would go against our rules

[wraith harbor]

you can spend your whole life learning python and never master everything, or you can branch out to different languages. you should work on projects that interest you in languages that you like

[vestal echo]

i told him what hacking was ?

[radiant vortex]

thats fine, just move to #cybersecurity

[wraith harbor]

the cool thing is that now that youve learned python a lot of that knowledge is transferable to other languages

[fringe sphinx]

Learning many "languages" is not how you become a good programmer. We don't measure programmers by how many languages they know.

As far as other stuff: do projects in different areas... a game, a web app, a project with a database, something with AI or ML, an embedded system/raspberry pi, networking, cloud computing, operating systems, etc

[outer scarab]

Thanks!

[tawny hedge]

@stable foxi dm u

[tawdry thistle]

hey im learning python one thing im facing is lake of consistency how to fix that...

[near ocean]

Be more consistent? Not really careers related

[vapid jay]

what is a solid place to learn python in

[white relic]

!res we have a curated list of resources on this server, all of them are good, but Automate the Boring Stuff is a good general starting point for most people.

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[white relic]

Note this is the career discussion channel; for help learning python, try #python-discussion

[vapid jay]

Ah i see, mb i'l talk on another channel since i think what im saying is supposed to be in another channel?

[white relic]

If what you're saying has nothing in particular to do with career advice, internships, resume review, etc. that kind of thing, it's probably better suited to #python-discussion

[visual flax]

Is a nasa internship at a research center as valuable as it sounds?

[peak halo]

if you want to work in aerospace then sure

[visual flax]

Does nasa pay a lot?

[peak halo]

probably not. it's a government agency, not a for-profit company.

[visual flax]

DO interns work with cutting edge technology?

[stiff arrow]

I wanna get banned

Dis ain’t fun

[peak halo]

I work for a government-funded research institution that isn't NASA. we don't have very many interns right now because of federal budget cuts. but they work on the same projects as seniors, just in a capacity that's risk-free.

[visual flax]

interesting how awful is it that I didn'\t get any projects over the summer?

[peak halo]

what year of college are you?

[visual flax]

I finished my associates after a long battle with illness

I'm feeling screwed because I'm only getting rejections.

[peak halo]

most intern-hirers only consider students who are pursuing a bachelors or a masters.

are you going to start a bachelors?

[visual flax]

yes, I plan on continuing my education.

[peak halo]

you're probably not going to get an internship until you've started the bachelors, so don't worry for now.

[analog lion]

If this isn't the right channel for this, I apologize in advance.

I was approached today by a former colleague, who asked if they could share my contact information to one of their friends, who "was interested in my python experience" for some sort of freelance job... I said sure and am waiting to hear back regarding the details of the project... This is my first time even considering work outside of my actual job, so I was wondering if anyone had any tips on things I should ask about before accepting the job... Any suggestions, even basic ones, would be welcome.

[deft herald]

Just in general: don't try to charge by the hour. You'll want to structure the contract around an overall amount for the job

[near ocean]

First thing to check would be whether your current contract at work allows you to take on other work

[deft herald]

....yeah that too.

[still jetty]

Can i ask something
Who lives in Netherlands?

[deft herald]

Also, do you have your own personal PC to do this job on? Even if your current work agreement allows it, you'll want to be sure to not use your work computer for the side gigs

[analog lion]

Well, that was... different.. gg mods.

Anyways, I'm good to take on other work, just as long as it doesn't compete with my current company and I don't work on it on company time. So, depending on what the details are, I could work on it.

[analog lion]

Yep!

[deft herald]

This i know from watching Silicon Valley

[near ocean]

Next question, are you mentally prepared to deal with any tax complications? My gf had to self assess in the UK and it turned out to be a total shitshow dealing with HMRC

[analog lion]

ugh... (not directed towards you, but taxes)... I suppose so. I do my own taxes every year, but depending on what the job is/how much I'm going to make, I might get an accountant now that you mention it... Sidenote, I lived in the UK for a bit as an expat and only had to deal with U.S. taxes, but I heard horror stories from my friends who had U.K. spouses and dealing with the HMRC.

[deft herald]

I don't think the tax implications will be too complicated for US. Presumably you'll get a 1099 from the friend and you'll just include that in your income section on your tax return. If they don't provide (and file with the IRS) a 1099 then, well, i guess it's up to you whether or not to even include it in your taxes (disclaimer: i'm not a tax professional and it's the law to report all income blah blah)

[analog lion]

Dear IRS... Metlz from the Python Discord said I didn't have to claim it. lol. I don't think it'll be to hard either... add my income together, figure out which tax bracket I'm in, and what my obligation is and pay it... I guess I need to figure out, scope, due date, expectations, how much they want me to maintain it afterwards. Anything I should ask to make sure I don't get f'd on the back end? What's a reasonable payment schedule?

[deft herald]

Depends on how long the project is. I would probably go for weekly or biweekly (uh, every other week i mean)

[molten spoke]

!warn @fast current Please do not offer paid services (rule 9).

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @fast current.

[olive spire]

hello guys jut got rejected in usa visa interview i am June 2024 graduate now lost 1 year so i would like some career help any suggestion will be helpful so i know basic about Neurol network , machine learning model as it was part of my course model . I did three months internship in .net back end the supervisor was satisfied and praised me but i want to pruse in Ai ml as it is the future we cant deny it so any suggestion

[deft herald]

It might be worth brushing up on (and practicing) more professional communication including but not limited to grammar and spelling.

[deft herald]

As for the technical aspect; try building some personal projects showcasing the skills you want to be hired for so you can put those on your resume as well

[fringe sphinx]

lol, that was such an accurate segment too