career-advice

[restive dragon]

youtube tutorials

[peak halo]

And you're just watching them? Nothing else?

[restive dragon]

i tryed to understand but it did not click

[native shard]

hallo

[vast cave]

Well I'd suggest taking a language course first (no offense), as it'd make it easier to understand

[still condor]

@final flame Please read our rules and the channel description. We are not a job board.

[jolly ember]

i just aced my technical interview, should i be scared of the future? or am i out of the woods..

[peak halo]

So you're not writing any code?
You need to be writing code every time you learn a new concept that applies it in different ways, even if the code is pointless. You will learn nothing if you just passively watch videos.

A lot of breakthroughs happen when you write code, and you run it, and it does something different than you expected. Then when you figure out what the problem is, something clicks.

[vapid jay]

nutty

[vapid jay]

im trying to get a headstart in learning how to code

im 13 and i still have 5 years which gives me a lot of time to plan and learn

idk what language imma learn after python, but that wont be until like 2026 at minimum

can anyone tell me what i need to do long term?

[buoyant seal]

what u wish for actually learning to code

[vapid jay]

to make money from it when i grow up

[final ravine]

Helps to go to college and uni

[vapid jay]

im on track to go to college early bc i have good grades

[final ravine]

Also most compsci degrees want maths even though you don't need to be a good swe

[vapid jay]

im terrible at math

[final ravine]

Arithmetic or math?

[vapid jay]

well i can do math it just takes me a long time to figure it out

[buoyant seal]

Consider giving a go to Golang and to Java 😏
Java is usable at least for Minecraft And Starsector modding, a room to practice things for
https://fractalsoftworks.com/
like this person which implemented array of mods for it
https://www.ashesofthedomain.info/

If u will read Code Complete
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction
And even eventually get hang of unit testing
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
and manage to avoid pitifals in implementing it
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
Your code can be having high chances to be maintainable 😋

[vapid jay]

ive already started with python

i will do those after i master python

[buoyant seal]

u have plenty of years ahead.
U have time to try different stuff and find what u like more.
Discovery what u like more is sort of more important at your stage than mastery of specific one
U aren't working full time with specific language and needing to be expert of it

[buoyant seal]

python language is kind of easy to start, and hard to master.
it may take unnecessary high amount of time using it for mastery

[vapid jay]

yeah its just ive already spent like a month or two studying python and i dont wanna stop right in the middle of it

[rotund kindle]

That’s a huge step! there might still be behavioral interviews, negotiations, or onboarding.
Keep the momentum going, stay prepared, and trust in your skills.

[vapid jay]

good luck

[jolly ember]

yeah theres a behavioural interview, then a 1 on 1 with my team manager, then a "vibe check" where i get put with my team

[swift radish]

ive heard a lotta stereotypes about computer science being the hardest job to acquire is that tru or is it js a classic bs stereotype

[quaint mist]

so ive tried python and javascript (code.org) and im horrible at programming

whats a decent path into the tech industry where i wouldnt have to code so much

maybe cybersecurity, IT?

[vapid jay]

depends

[rotund kindle]

If you have skills, it will be ok

[vapid jay]

its like moderate, its like learning a new language except instead of words its scripts to run on a pc

and the other compusci stuff is not that bad but can get hard sometimes

[swift radish]

maybe smth that pays well

[quaint mist]

honestly i dont mind the pay that much just no coding

[swift radish]

like wdym like knowledge of various languages?

how much does it pay

[rotund kindle]

It will be ok if you are familiar with even one language like python

[quaint mist]

what are some potential extracirriculars in tech i could do to add onto college apps

[rotund kindle]

Where are you based?

[swift radish]

canadian

[rotund kindle]

Are you gonna get job rn?

[swift radish]

no

[rotund kindle]

If you are under 18, you can't get job

[vapid jay]

you can do what im doing and study hard before you turn 18 so you are prepared

[swift radish]

oo

bet im still in grade 9 so i have another 3 more years till i have to find a job and go onto uni

[vapid jay]

im in grade 7 believe it or not

i just turned 13

[swift radish]

no way

[vapid jay]

im doing all 8th grade classes tho so im only a lil behind you

i might be the youngest person in the server thats not underage

[swift radish]

what languages can u do

[vapid jay]

only python currently

[swift radish]

damn

how long did it take u to pick it up

[vapid jay]

like 1 month to learn basics

using my SUPER SECRET LEARNING TECHNIQUE no one knows

[swift radish]

so uhmmmm yk wanna tell me

[vapid jay]

so basically what it is is that you learn a skill and then you see if you can do it again in 4 hours, then 8 hours, then a whole day and then it locks in your head

[swift radish]

oh shit

u r a genius tysm

[quaint mist]

What could I do in terms of tech internships / anything as extracurricular

also what if I like apply to a local state school for cybersecurity

Would that be a decently smart move cause that could be the foundation for everything else

Or do I go into IT and then branch off to cyber after college

[jolly ember]

i got this internship at 16 that lines up for a full (or part) time position after the term (im getting corporately pre-ordered)

[jolly ember]

if your in canada once you hit grade 11 and 12 you become eligible for some tech internships (especially during the summer) that pay

[quaint mist]

where does one find all this

[sand patio]

are you in the U.S?

[quaint mist]

Yeah

Lots of opportunities just too competitive + not sure where to find em

[sand patio]

if you're still in high school, you still have time to figure out what career you want to go into; if you don't want to program, but you're still set on going into tech, I know my dad has worked as a sysadmin with a pretty minimal amount of programming overall (mostly just shell scripts and whatnot), and I have a cousin who works in something cybersecurity adjacent that requies the occasional python script.

but rather than just going off of this, it'd be a good idea to look into your options yourself, and see what stands out to you.

why tech, specifically?

[quaint mist]

it might just be cause of the amount of time I spend infront of a screen

Like with that I might as well do a career in it

Don’t wanna do anything medical or like law

[sand patio]

fair enough, it's worth exploring your options, see what appeals to you.

there's a lot of career options out there, and "tech" is a pretty broad thing.

[sand patio]

for high school students, it's not that you can't, but most options out there are competitive.

[quaint mist]

yeah

[sand patio]

as for extracurriculars, there isn't a limit for that; you can do pretty much whatever.

start a club, maybe? if your school doesn't have one already

also, it really helps to be open and "out there". A lot of extracurricular opportunities really only present themselves when you yourself are in a position where you're able to talk to people and get invovled.

what I've noticed is that people tend to box in their thinking when it comes to ECs, and really only look out for a few specific types of opportunities, when in reality there's a lot more you can do, and that you'll come across just being generally active in your community.

[quaint mist]

Wait this local college might lowkey be the path for cybersecurity

Recognized by department of homeland security apparently

doesn’t seem like too much coding either

Looked at a isc 2 membership thing, what’s the membership due for

[sand patio]

just make sure it's an accredited university

[sand patio]

to be honest that might end up depending on the job rather than the degree

[lucid matrix]

Idk much about cyber but a friend is doing a cyber program through NYU and has found the coding/math challenging

If you want to do it and have the means/time learning it in school may be better

But it also seems like that program has a bunch of people trying to do CS in it as well so it may have harder coding reqs than a typical cybersecurity offering

[rugged axle]

How much hike should I ask in an interview python + elixir

[ionic kayak]

hello guys who needs a developer here? I have some experience in python and other full stack languages. I am looking for a new project.

[rugged axle]

open source ?

[ionic kayak]

what open source do you mean?

[rugged axle]

look mungwell google "mungwell open source projects repo" something

[buoyant seal]

he is questioning if u wish participating in Free and Open source projects for making constribution to society / and just doing practice
or u are actually looking for paid work

[desert plank]

im in 10th and making 1k a month

theres no excuse to not work

[vapid jay]

wrong channel, try again

[dapper bane]

oh shit my absent minded brain

[quaint mist]

Could I get in contact with the friend perhaps and ask a few questions or could you relay my message

[last moat]

is software testing and test automation still a job in 2025??

[near ocean]

Yes

[last moat]

how do you see its future compare to data jobs and AI. i have several years of experience with selenium but for making bots and scrapers. i am learning software testing and test automation not sure its worth or not

i had two choices. move to data engineer role from scraper or move to test automation because of selenium. i choosed test automation and SQA.

[near ocean]

Why did you choose away from data engineer? Its all the rage to handle big huge data nowadays

[last moat]

because i heard tools are not free to use for learning, not many learning resources out there also plus it is diverse and so many things are required to learn. i wasted 5 years by sticking to a single skill which dosent have any role in companies. scraping is just a freelance skill

[near ocean]

Selenium skills are not wasted, there are still a lot of sdet roles
I do think they are shrinking though, automation is one of the things AI actually has a chance of eating up

[cunning lark]

will coders be replaced with ai?

[near ocean]

Some will, the trick is to be better than them

[cunning lark]

yeq right

[quaint mist]

Maybe I could major in IT , take a little of everything and then after freshmen year I could see what I wanna concentrate in?

[near ocean]

"Proud to work for Deloitte" sure is a sentiment and a half

[frigid ice]

I 'm a Full stack / AI / Bot developer who can build your project perfectly!

[velvet salmon]

Hello! I'm currently seeking new job opportunities. If you have a project in mind or are considering ways to enhance your website or web application, I would be excited to discuss it with you as a software engineer.

[fringe sphinx]

This isn't a job board... we discuss careers/etc, but there's no recruiting, job posting, etc here.

[gritty rivet]

You should read the #rules and delete that before an admin does

[zinc stone]

how to do freelancing through twitter as web dev?

[near ocean]

You dont, what does it even mean to do feeelancing through twitter?
Are you gonna advertise your services on it? Probably a waste of time

[zinc stone]

then what should I do

also i asked people on twitter they say its good (they got some followers tho i have 0)

[near ocean]

You should go get a degree in CS and find a job the traditional way

[zinc stone]

im 15 years old

and i want to earn money

[near ocean]

This still applies

[zinc stone]

I want to earn money before im 18 tbh before 2026

what ur saying cant do that

[vast shoal]

You absolutely can.

[zinc stone]

Yes but how? I need guidance

[vast shoal]

If it was easy and obvious, everyone would do it.

[zinc stone]

Ok?

[vast shoal]

But I guess one way would be learning to code, then making a popular application of some kind and monetizing it.

[near ocean]

You could work regular 15yo type jobs
Who would hire a teen to work on software?

[zinc stone]

Freelance???

[vast shoal]

The "popular" part is the hard part.

[zinc stone]

Ye exactly

[vast shoal]

Freelance is difficult, probably. Lots of competition.

[vast shoal]

It makes sense, because it's a zero-sum multiplayer competitive game. Consumers only have so much attention and money, and you need to come up with something good enough to snatch it away from someone else.

Same with finding freelance work.

[zinc stone]

In Web Dev?

[vast shoal]

For sure

But learning to code would be step one, if you wanna go either of those routes.

Not saying this is the best or easiest way to earn money as a teenager, but it's the only one I am even remotely qualified to talk about.

[zinc stone]

Uhm

I think if somehow if I can get around a 100 followers or more on twitter

It can work but i have 0 🥲

[icy berry]

imagine you had a client, what could you help out with?

[zinc stone]

Make a website for them? I mean that's my work.

[vast shoal]

I doubt it, to be honest. You're also starting from the wrong end if you think about followers first. I mean, you need something to offer in order to attract interest from others.

[icy berry]

ok, imagine the client asked, show me your previous work, what would you show him?

[zinc stone]

Right. Um well I am starting out so I made an E-Mail sender and a portfolio

If i did it rn which I wont ofc its not gonna work right

[icy berry]

you need to make something to show of, or else you cannot really answer that question

you are in other words, starting in the wrong end

[zinc stone]

What is the right end? What dem said?

[icy berry]

if you want to sell webpages, you have to first make them to show off

nobody will hire you to do work if you cannot prove that you are able to do the work

[vast shoal]

I think if I wanted to hire a web dev, I would want them to show me another website that they made, and it would have to look really damn good, and work really damn well if I'm gonna give them money to make my website.

[zinc stone]

O-Ok

[icy berry]

do you have a company setup to write an invoice?

[zinc stone]

What is invoice?

[icy berry]

let me ask a different way

customers that needs a webpage thery are companies

and companies does not do business with private persons

have you made your own company?

[zinc stone]

I- I need a company....? In freelance??

[icy berry]

yes

yes

how else would you get paid?

[zinc stone]

How is a company created? Like just declaring it?

[icy berry]

depends on the country you live in

and your age

[zinc stone]

I live in pakistan and im 15 (turning 16 this year)

do i have to be 18+

[vast shoal]

There are some companies that act as middlemen for freelancers.

[icy berry]

almost everywhere you have to

[vast shoal]

That usually makes the paperwork a lot easier, but they also take a cut of your profits.

[icy berry]

some exceptions are allowed in some countries if your parents allow you to

[zinc stone]

but my friend he is a graphic designer and earns a hell ton by selling pics hes 16

[icy berry]

i do not know pakistni law

[icy berry]

sounds like a lie

[zinc stone]

Its true and well i ahve seen it...

[vast shoal]

I mean, he may sell them off the books.

[zinc stone]

he sold a thumbnail to a roblox game for 700$

[vast shoal]

That amount may not require him to pay taxes, or he just commits tax evasion.

[zinc stone]

its on his twitter but maybe the law depends yk

[icy berry]

people lie and break the law all the time

[zinc stone]

Does that mean I can't earn money till 18?

[icy berry]

did you not read what i wrote?

[zinc stone]

Yes i searched it and i have to be 18

[icy berry]

there you go

in norway you can apply as a young entrepenour if you are under 18, but there are very strict rules on what you can and cannot do

[vast shoal]

Legally, as a freelancer, probably not

[zinc stone]

wait wait wait

[icy berry]

my son has his own company, the steps to make this a real thing was very tedious

[zinc stone]

Cant i register under my dad's name?

[icy berry]

no, that would be fraud

[zinc stone]

Is it wise to ask chat gpt on such topics?

[icy berry]

it will lie to you

[vast shoal]

Your dad could start a company, and maybe you could do work through it, though youth employment is also another complex matter.

[icy berry]

you should ask your local government about this

they know

[zinc stone]

Ok

[vast shoal]

No, since accuracy is very important.

[icy berry]

anyone that is not part of the pakistani government cannot really know and have to guess

[zinc stone]

ok

[vast shoal]

You could perhaps use ChatGPT to learn general principles about freelancing and running a business, business economics, etc.

But you should not rely on it for precise legal advice.

[last moat]

i think upwork and fiverr has policy of 18+ age

[zinc stone]

I am below 18

[icy berry]

yes, you have to look for a pakistani freelancing site

[zinc stone]

ok

[icy berry]

and even though there might be a lower age to work, you are probably not going to find anyone agreeing to hire a minor, as they are not allowed to make a binding legal contract

but this is me guessing, i do not know pakistani law at all

[zinc stone]

Ok I will look

[last moat]

you can work at local software companies in pakistan. they look for talent not age because it is thirld world country, there are not any proper laws. i am from pakistan

[zinc stone]

o

[icy berry]

there for sure are laws agains minors working

[last moat]

i mean unregistered companies, show them your portfolio and work on monthly basis

[icy berry]

dont give unlawfull advice please

[last moat]

child labour is common in pakistan as far as i know

[icy berry]

does not make it legal

[last moat]

maybe. you are right, its better to do research first

[zinc stone]

i found some pak freelancing webs

[last moat]

but if its legal, he can do job at small scale companies. i have done it for one month, it was not registered company. basically a team who gets projects from outside and team lead pays us in pennies per month

[zinc stone]

bruh i cant find age req in terms and conditions

[icy berry]

that is not a positive sign

[zinc stone]

no maybe im just dumb

[last moat]

first learn and improve your skills. make portfolio then look for freelance websites or submit resume to local companies

[icy berry]

focus on getting good at this instead of focusing on in what way you can make money if you got a client to pay you for work

[zinc stone]

ok

btw im not trying to see what u have in counter but he said he has friends under 18 who have worked with companies, if they ask you to sign an NDA then your parents can co-sign

[icy berry]

NDA is not something you can get co-signed

but that is beside the point

get good at this first

[zinc stone]

i guess so

[icy berry]

and worry about your age later

if your lucky, it takes you two years to get good, and at that point you are an adult

[zinc stone]

I wouldn't call that luck

[icy berry]

no, you need hard work to do it in that short amnount of time

but i think you can do the hard work!

[zinc stone]

Yes I can do that I graduated 10th so I am free

Till september

I suck at making my website interactive tho Idk what colors to use

Some people make it cool with a white background somehow

[icy berry]

everyone starts out somewhere, and it is allways a very limited and narrow scope

and with enough skills you end up with fancy front ends thats sole purpose is to showcase skill and your work

https://bruno-simon.com/ comes to mind

[zinc stone]

what is that

[icy berry]

the best portfolio site i have ever seen from a web developer

[zinc stone]

holy this website is laggy af

[buoyant seal]

debatable. laggy af. (So far looks like common frontender portoflio with too many whistles that it kills my PC)

[zinc stone]

no hate on bruno but hes kinda right

i think its overdone

[buoyant seal]

probably integration of browser with powerful external videocard is required. 😏 Smth of the level running AAA games at this point (like Star Citizen)
I have powerful videocard to run minecraft at 200FPS with 50 mods, or fallout3, but it is not enough

[zinc stone]

my pc went 2 fps...

[buoyant seal]

when i was making my portfolio site https://darklab8.github.io/blog/articles.html

I inspired from people like @dusty island https://kodare.net/2021/09/10/status-not-notifications.html
And from people making old school blogs like this one http://www.pl-enthusiast.net/2014/08/05/type-safety/

I saw in my portfolio site as a goal to have elegant, suped rapid performance.

• The site still being loaded fast as it is meant to be
• having easy findable navigation
• inserting pictures where i desire
• While having color schemes looking good and easy for eyes... like in Discord

Elegance of a backend developer approach pretty much, making site as actually site, instead of being a modern js frontender that adds too many whistles

[icy berry]

its all about showcaseing what you want people to see

if you want to get paid for freelance work, you should show you can solve enterprise and business problems

[zinc stone]

well truth is people stay at ur website for 5-10 seconds before realizing if its worth spending more time on

[icy berry]

if you want to get hired makeing websites at a graphic web studio, you have to showcase you have modern design skills

[zinc stone]

thats the designer job ?

i code the ui 😄

[near ocean]

Works fine for me, consider upgrading from potato pcs?

[zinc stone]

i am not rich enough sadly

nor does everyone have a rtx 5090

[buoyant seal]

as i mentioned i am having reasonably modern PC
intel I5-10400 with integrated graphics to run Minecraft with 50 mods, or Fallout 3, or Stellaris. and i run it at linux.
In my opnion for web browser it is supposed to be around 200 times overkill

[zinc stone]

how the hell u can do that with integrated gpu

i have a 1gb gpu and it cant even run minecraft properly

[buoyant seal]

modern CPUs are ridiculously powerful.
their intergrated graphics are already 5 times more powerful at least than my external nvidia videocard from 15 years ago -_-
Intel UHD graphics 630 is on board

[zinc stone]

um well not that i can do anything about it :/

[dusty island]

Thanks 😊

[zinc stone]

can u help me decide background color? i suck at making my website interactive

this is my friend's portfolio im making

[icy berry]

if you dont have any colour theory education, you should stick with premade colour paletts

[buoyant seal]

https://soatok.blog/2023/03/01/database-cryptography-fur-the-rest-of-us/
This guy is inspiring in making portfolio site looking both good and rich in too much smart content

@icy berry such guy shows off his skills in writing his thoughts and showing he is smart by his thinking
instead of adding too many whistles -_-

[zinc stone]

i want my website to be good looking

[icy berry]

yes, so my advice still holds

[zinc stone]

yeah but maybe if i use a different color it will look better than the premade color paletts

[icy berry]

im not sure you understood what i wrote

a premade palett is there because colours match each other

if you choose something differnt, it will not match, and hence look worse

just got to something like coolors.co and make a pallet and see how it works out for you

[zinc stone]

ok

oh it costs money

[buoyant seal]

Easy pick... see apps u like, messangers, IDEs (where u write code) and etc. with if possible selecting different themes in their options
And pick what works for you

check different blogs of other people / portfolios. see what u like.

[zinc stone]

k

[buoyant seal]

Portfolio site is meant to be expression of what u like, u should enjoy to see it, to open and read
Preferably it should remain readable for other people too (and/or having switchable theme)

[icy berry]

and to see your work

[zinc stone]

aight i got the plan in mind

[native carbon]

hey everyone just wanted to ask is it okay to message someone--
Hi xxxx,

I’m xxx from xxx I’m currently exploring xxx as a career path and would love to get some advice from someone with your expertise. If you have a moment, just whenever you get a chance I’d appreciate your thoughts on how to break into the field and what skills do i need. Thanks in advance!

[fringe sphinx]

Why would you be messaging this person? How'd you get their info/etc?

[zinc stone]

What the hell is this?

[native carbon]

on linkedln he used to work in the same company as mibe

[fleet stratus]

I've nerver done it but I think its great idea, as long as you dont insist in case of no response and if you keep polite.

[native carbon]

i work as a trainee wanted to switch to business analytics

thats why

[fleet stratus]

@native carbon I think its great to ask people poletily as you showed. you dont loose anything if they dont answer you and I think it can be a good feeling for the person you are reaching that you find him as a role model

hey everyone I have another question. Im sorry maybe this is not the best place, its first time I write in the python discord server. Is there any dedicated channel or server to train live coding python test? it would be great to make some peer programming / live coding sessions with people to practice.

[weak monolith]

Hi, I recently started learning DSA to prepare for interviews. What are these sessions like? Never done it before but I'm interested.

I'm using Python btw

[fleet stratus]

I see that more and more companies give less home assignments in their interview process (due to generative IA help) and rely more on live coding sessions of 1 hour where they give you either leetcode like exercises or just simple python exercises where you create a simple service . The thing is that technically they are not difficoult but the lack of experience with this tests gives stress to people, so I thought that discord is a great place to practice being exposed in front of someone for a limited time. Chat gpt is great for giving exercises samples. so the setup can be easy.

My question is if there is already a dedicated channel with people willing to participate

[weak monolith]

Ah I see, you're right, it'll definitely be quite helpful to practice. I'm not sure if there exists a dedicated channel for that though

[empty tundra]

hi is it bad idea to learn as first ml/ai in python and try to work in this direction?

[open ivy]

What project would you like to build?

[empty tundra]

i think ais but i havent build them at the moment

[snow patrol]

okay in terms of what?

i mean, you wont get sued for that

[open ivy]

There are multiple ways to build AIs. Here are two examples:

• Get or make training data, use Tensorflow or a similar tool to train it. Depending on the difficulty of the training data and how deeply you want to get into the algorythim design, this can be a very complex and technical task.
• Use ChatGPT as a baseline and build on top of it. This is prompt engineering and only needs a small amount of Python knowledge to do well. But it can be very challenging in other, non-technical, ways.

"Building AIs" can be either of these things.

[empty tundra]

i guess, first one is more attractive 4me

[open ivy]

Your best bet is to solve a niche problem that requires a bit more data wrangling. A customized solution that the "standard" bots struggle with.

[tall aurora]

Hii
Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm kind of lost here
What should I study to get a junior job?
I've studied the basics of Python, variables, strings, loops, functions, importing from separate .py files, and I've made a couple college projects with TKinter... I just don't know if I'm even ready to start sending resumes

[peak halo]

you mentioned college projects. what major are you doing and how many semesters have you done?

[tall aurora]

I'm doing a Software Development major, finishing my 3rd semester right now

[empty tundra]

you mean data science?

[open ivy]

Social skills are my biggest issue, since a human has to give us the job. I have always reached out to others a lot while having few people reaching out to me, thankfully I keep trying to meet new people.

IF you also struggle making and keeping friends, focus on that. But if you are good at making friends, make a bunch of connections and then let them speak to you about problems in their day-to-day work and what skills they and their boss struggle to find in prospective employees.

Another approach is what projects do you want to work on? If the project is right-sized, big enough to be a challenge but small enough to make meaningful progress on, it will force you to learn stuff.

[open ivy]

Several ideas, depending on what you find interesting:

• Data science, Kaggle competitions.
• Generative AI art, but trained on a very niche style.
• Video game AI for a game you want to make or an open source game you can play with.
• Taking a computational paper in neuroscience and duplicating and extending the result.
• A simple AI art where you can randomly change the weights and manually select "I like this" or not, similar to and old obscure game called "biomorph" taht I can't find atm.
• Open Blender, place random shapes in a room, render. Use that as the training data (blender Python can automate this) and try to get the AI to reproduce the positions of the shapes.
• Hack a simple open source paint program to recoding each individual mouse movement as you draw something as training data. Can AI predict your next move?

Where can things be improved? In a niche problem there is usually something, just because there are many niche problems to choose from!

On a related note, there is a lot of doom and gloom on r/jobs.

But none of them seem to be building a "healthy ecosystem" of personal projects, an online presence, meeting new people both online and in person, etc. This strategy, even with my limited social skills, got someone interested in my physics engine and he showed a demo to his boss.

[spare ridge]

working on my personal portfolio rn, can anyone suggest me which of my designs is better for basically overall career and personal brand

The one with the orange yellow was my old one, and the greyish premium one is the one im working on rn, what would you prefer out of both?

should i continue working on the new one or keep the old? like it might look good on pc but not sure how i would align it on mobile so in that case first one is better since it's mobile oriented, but just give your feedback i would be thankful

[open ivy]

I like the orange-to-red gradient on the left.

I cannot decide about the other details and which is better.

[buoyant seal]

hard to say. the right one is looking more professional (but a bit soulless and too much templated)
the left one is more cozy and personal (but u are frontender, so may be the right one will serve better)
since left one is more personal and cozy, it can attract better attention too

[spare ridge]

yeahh im having the same feeling, but i wouldn't be able to incorporate more text into the right one, so im trying to see which one i should go for

[buoyant seal]

for the right template, i will mention i hate scroll down sites without anchoring menu to click through their stages
It feels like UI/UX idiocy 😅 that tries to confuse the user with needing to scroll, but hard to see what is present at site in advance. Not intuituve interface

[spare ridge]

yes i am not planning to add those stuff anytime soon lol, even i hate those things

[open ivy]

Tech stack vs tech challenges

My tech stack is Python/Numpy/Numba.
My tech challenges were/are how to simplify Python's messy ast module, how to optimize the simplified code programmability, how to design the physics algorithm itself such as collisions, etc.

Both matter. You prominently show the stack with nice little icons. But whatever *challenges * you overcame or are working on tell a more interesting story about your problem solving skills.

@spare ridge

[spare ridge]

Yeah but it's like a portfolio right, so we also have to keep it short, i could probably add like a detailed about me for it, but keeping that on the landing is an bad idea because most people are not interested in reading those information

[pastel thunder]

What to do if people keep talking , And I want to make a point but unable to ?

specially in official meets online

Like i have observed,

In open conversation,
when someone ends speaking and I try to make a point, theres always someone else who starts speaking...and I stop

[quaint mist]

i thought about it and i was thinking about shadowing/ interning at a local tech repair shop as a EC for college apps (better than sitting at home at least)

is this a decent idea?

[pastel thunder]

should I just go on?
but I dont get why always its me whos stopping

[vast shoal]

It doesn't happen too often but what I tend to do is start speaking over them a couple of times to signal that I want to say something, and then stop if they continue, and they will typically let me speak the next time.

[vast shoal]

In some social groups, people get used to some people being quiet and always making way. In these cases it might be worth continuing until you're allowed to speak a few times, so people get used to you being someone who speaks.

I've had certain talkative coworkers who always speak, and there have been a few occasions where I've talked over them for like a full 10 seconds before they give up.

[pastel thunder]

THIS is actually what I believe it is, put into right words

[vast shoal]

I don't do this every time because it's quite aggressive, but it can be valuable to make a point, once in a while.

[pastel thunder]

I wanna argue so much, but end up having all my word to myself

[vast shoal]

But I think it's important to stay calm and not get emotional when you do this.

Don't raise your voice, just keep saying what you want to say in a calm tone, just don't stop.

[pastel thunder]

I am afraid it will come off as rude, butI am damn sure they also know they talk over me....

[vast shoal]

I don't think it's rude if it's what's necessary to get a word in edgewise once in a while.

[vast shoal]

Some people who are like this are actually quite oblivious, they just talk about what they want to talk about and leave it to others to interrupt if they need to.

I think they typically just don't consider the concept of taking turns and making sure everyone gets to speak.

[pastel thunder]

I think I need a book.
My communication skills are pathetic but i am making improvements

how bad is it to interupt in between, when someone is talking to me while they are listing points, but I dont agree.
Ideally I would want to say firstly,...secondly....so on.
But I have a hard time keeping up.....with all of them...........

[vast shoal]

Well, you can request to talk about one thing at a time.

[fringe sphinx]

I really like this yt-er https://youtu.be/B3plIDYxCbo?feature=shared

[pastel thunder]

Yup, maybe....I will try but it seems there's 1 person who just does not wanna listen to anyone while he speaks. And like you said about perceiving, no-one interrupts him ....like a habit

There are 3 person I can point out at my meets, they seems eager to point out things I said incorrectly about..... i would say they are nitpicks but dont get why they would do such thing

[fringe sphinx]

That means it's not you, it's them.

[slender stream]

I need help in my py code can anyone help me please

[fringe sphinx]

Start in #python-discussion

[pastel thunder]

And It seems sometimes, my good points are undermined....not as appreciated

Actually feels like 1 of them only does to me...
I would say my communication was pretty bad at first......I was actually making pretty bad points at starts(when I joined)

may be I made a bad impression on him.....he feels I am always making bad points.......

Also I dont know why but I sometimes, dont defend my points......I dont know how to work on this

[fringe sphinx]

Hard to say without knowing you, but: work on your foundation - senior engineers have accumulated experience and knowledge over time.

A broad foundation makes it easier to defend a point, because you can draw on related points

Secondly, don't be defensive even when being disagreed with. It's ok to be wrong. Embrace it and learn from it

[pastel thunder]

Yeah, I kind of get agree...I think its my personality....I have tried to change it....these are the left traces.
I constantly try to remind my self, think-speak-slow down...but often jump to defensive-impulsive mode.

[gloomy python]

A Unique Collaboration Idea – Let’s Talk!

[pastel thunder]

I need to learn to disagree, and that it does not have to be rude. And I shouldnt take it personally

[vast shoal]

Recruitment posts are not permitted in this channel/server

[gloomy python]

ok

where should I post?

[vast shoal]

Not on this server

[fringe sphinx]

I'm saying opposite: don't try to be someone else. Be you, but build your knowledge base so you can feel more confident. It takes practice

[pastel thunder]

My observation is, I always have a good point to make, its only either of following:

1. I dont present it nicely (I should also work on my spoken english, I think)

2. I dont speak
3. I impulsively reply

[vast shoal]

In my experience, it's a matter of self-esteem

[pastel thunder]

Theres is always a better reply I can think of after the talk...

[vast shoal]

It's cause the situation stresses you out and prevents you from thinking clearly

[pastel thunder]

this is very likely

[vast shoal]

Stress impedes cognitive ability

[pastel thunder]

I am meeting new people dialy (i joined recently)
I did like to improve asap

[vast shoal]

I don't think there's a silver bullet solution to this. As you gain professional experience, you will gradually build confidence in your own abilities and opinions.

[drifting radish]

Hi, someone use unity hub and can help me ? I can't start new project..

[vast shoal]

This channel is for work and career discussions

[vast shoal]

You might wanna ask in #game-development maybe

[pastel thunder]

Also, this is the first time I am having to think about it (people here are specially innovative and the best of best from their field)

[balmy spade]

It is a situation of practice makes better.

You mentioned being unable to keep up with comments you want to inject into a conversation. I struggle with that heavily myself. I've found making notes helps me go back to a bullet point once the talking party has completed their statement.

You also mentioned wanting a book? If you haven't already, I would recommend How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie. A stable of examples that highlight the important of listening, understanding, and acting.

[drifting radish]

oh mb I had not noticed

[pastel thunder]

I think I am also feeling some inferiority complex... that is causing stressing me

[pastel thunder]

thanks, I will check out the book, I have heard of it...

[vast shoal]

Impostor syndrome is very common in this industry. You're usually not as inferior as you think you are, and even if you are, it's usually not as big a problem as you think it is, because you can learn and improve with time.

[open ivy]

This is hard.

If one person keeps rambling, eventually interrupting them is OK.

If multiple people keep talking, and you never get a chance, how are they able to give eachother a chance?

[fringe sphinx]

I practice. I practice my answers to easy questions. Even now, when I'm not interviewing, I run through scenarios of questions I might have to answer

[open ivy]

That sounds useful.

[fringe sphinx]

Vinh (linked earlier) talks about this: good speaking does require practice.

[vast shoal]

I think it's a good sign if you can think of better replies after the discussion, that indicates that the problem is not your ability but more with how you deal with social situations.

And I think the latter is easier to address.

[fringe sphinx]

I'm literally practicing this right now. I have an upcoming interview (not exactly) and I am working on a succinct summary of my career.

Part of a good answer is saying less, not more.

Also, there's a famous Steve Jobs session where he thinks like 20-30 seconds before replying

https://youtu.be/1lEnMmH9qh4?feature=shared

[balmy spade]

Learning to accept silence in a conversation is such a powerful skill. One I'm working on this year. Normally I'm the one filling silence.

[quaint mist]

"We have done non paid internships in the past for high school credit. You would have to apply through your schools dept that handles that. They would contact us and set up a schedule along with info regarding what it is you need to learn and perform for your grade. We are happy to help out if you are interested. Legally and for insurance purposes, this is the only way it can be done."

what high school credit is this fullfilling 😭

[pastel thunder]

I have tried the two strategy suggested above:
note taking
praticing before

I will try to incorporate these more, I think those are the only things I can immediately start...I always forget to do these for small sync ups...

[digital fjord]

Some high schools have that as a thing you can do.

[open ivy]

I agree with @pastel thunder that it is hardest when others talk in a group and I cannot say anything.

When in 1 on 1, I usually have the opposite problem: All too often they go quiet for such long periods of time that nothing can really happen.

[quaint mist]

i think he might've interpretated my message a little bit wrong

i dont think my school does this, im mainly trying to use this opportunity to get a mini internship as a EC for college apps

and generally a good skill to learn (tech shop)

[pastel thunder]

It will be so good, if someone could just make me an extrovert and confident person. I would do wonders for my teams 🙂

[digital fjord]

Seems like they're saying it can only be legally done through the school. You could talk to your school and see if they could help you arrange it.

[vast shoal]

It's not really a matter of being an extrovert. I'm a supreme introvert yet I have no problems at all expressing myself in professional discussions.

But you do need confidence

[quaint mist]

fair enough, would probably be the best option so they could keep records

i emailed every store in a 30 minute radius hopefully a few more respond

[open ivy]

Are you sure that is a good way to meet people in your field? Email is full of spam.

[quaint mist]

🤷‍♂️ i could go store to store

[digital fjord]

Businesses do usually read their email, even if they don't always respond.

[open ivy]

I struggle with the next few steps when emailing someone, in order to get some sort of aquantinship going.

[white relic]

You might benefit from reading the book Quiet by Susan Cain. It's about introversion. Lots of introverts have some degree of insecurity about being unconfident, socially awkward or just quiet. This book helped broaden my perspective and understand my own introversion a bit better. (It's about psychology, and a little about business, not a self-help book)

[quaint mist]

the guy actually responded on facebook

might have to keep going on my grind but on facebook

[open ivy]

Store to store depends on how friendly they are and what nearby cafes or other hangouts and events there are.

[quaint mist]

im js doing email cause its faster and if they do seek interest then a email back

how do i use facebook 💔

[open ivy]

It would be nice if someone really good at social skills gave us all a bunch of sample email conversations.

[analog sun]

@blazing parrot your message was removed for being off topic for the channel

[sand patio]

I think it's good to work in a field that you don't absolutely hate (and find fulfilling), but it doesn't need to be tied to a hobby

[fringe sphinx]

The opposite of enjoying what you do on a day to day basis, is my interpretation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ikigai

[sand patio]

it's not that you can't, but it'll make you unhappy

[fringe sphinx]

A good job can provide a sense of purpose.

[sand patio]

sure, there's always going to be unpleasant parts, but if you, say, absolutely despise working with computers, it's probably not a good idea to go into tech.

[fringe sphinx]

I like my job. I like my customers. I like my coworkers. What I do is useful.

[sand patio]

it's not really black and white, there's a lot of stuff that contributes to that.

maybe burnout? I mean, there's not much we can say about your dad's situation, but in regards to your original question, I don't think going into a field that's related to your hobbies is necessary for you to have a job you're satisfied with

there's probably going to be times you get frustrated, but that's going to always be a thing no matter what you go into. if you're still in high school, it's also important to recognize that college also presents an opportunity for you to play around with career options and prospects, and figure out if something is right for you--you're not immediately locked in the moment you decide to pursue something.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I think we all feel that a lot. You'll never know everything. The winning strategy is to learn what you're interested in, and don't overthink what's important.

[sand patio]

you've got a pretty long time, then

[fringe sphinx]

There's never simple answers. School unlocks College. College opens many doors.

You can also learn anything you choose, at the same time. Experiment with programming, and see what you enjoy.

There's some good links for learning Python ehre: #python-discussion message

Learn one thing. Then learn another. etc. Don't worry about a roadmap or anything that that.

Whatever you want.

Yes. You're like a beginner walking into a gym. Lifting any weight will make you stronger. Don't over think it.

also, if you're interested in cybersec, see the pins in #cybersecurity

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, save studying for later. Solve problems. I don't do cybersecurity tho, ask in the channel tho, other ppl will

[vapid jay]

ey me and you are in the same boat

[icy pagoda]

did i just read that the point of having a job and career is having struggles and problems/being unhappy

difficulty never bothers a person, frustration does

so the struggles and problems, in an ideal scenario, will all be stuff you enjoy/would be interested in

in practice, you get as close to the ideal scenario as possible

[magic ridge]

i struggle a lot trying to study python and everything, i do get burnout pretty quickly, but if i don't continue i'll get lazy

[icy pagoda]

i mean, learning the first language was fun for me (and getting to know new niche features i can abuse still is), besides those i don't really care much about programming languages including python ngl

[magic ridge]

it is indeed fun, but like.. i do feel like the advancement of technology is kind of a curse too. i learn python by using ai, like blackbox, deepseek, or gpt. because reading documentation, or video, is very boring. i prefer doing something directly, making it work, and then ask how can they work. but then, it's made by ai after all. i don't understand everything fully when there's an error, even though i have knowledge, trying to applying it directly myself is kind of difficult

i do try websites like FCC, it's fun but i can't really do what i wanted to make, like. making games, or making something automated, etc

[icy pagoda]

AI almost never generates codes which are remotely interesting, it even dodges language specific features until you explicitly tell to use smth like that

[near ocean]

learn by using ai
prefer doing stuff directly
These are contradictory statements

[icy pagoda]

...and sometimes struggles hard even after "please use language specific features to make it concise" to identify the location you actually wanted it to

[near ocean]

Drop the ai stuff and learn python the way people recommend

[icy pagoda]

which eventually makes you lose your trust, the code generated even via reasoning models is often p bad

after you are confident enough, just hanging out in communities/forums/reading good code often makes you look up documentation for more epic features you can abuse

[white relic]

learning is a skill.
taking shortcuts, not just using AI but relying heavily on (video) tutorials and other passive forms of learning, is missing the point

[magic ridge]

im aware of that, felt it multiple times

[magic ridge]

i will try to do that, but the thing is i got distracted very easily

[icy pagoda]

while programming in general or specifically python?

[magic ridge]

no, just studying anything in general
and it makes my school life very difficult imo lol

[white relic]

I also am easily distracted.
Sometimes listening to music helps.

[icy pagoda]

is it being distracted by games? and if it's programming in general, I would ask you to pick up things you are distracted by and convert them
distracted by playing multiplayer minecraft? mess around with modding and shader development yourself
feel free to "playtest" it for hours w/ friends
datapacks/resourcepacks will provide a smoother entry too

[white relic]

We all have to find our own strategies to make ourselves do what doesn't come naturally

[icy pagoda]

yeah ^

[white relic]

time-boxing is another good one; it's easier to say "I'm going to work on this for 30 minutes, then take a break" than to say "I'm going to work on this until I solve it"

[magic ridge]

okay that's smart actually, thanks for the suggestion;
my only motivation i know, and the only solution for me to be focused on something is studying, and doing something with someone, or friend. like, if im trying to make games, I'd like to ask my friend join to make a game, even if it's simple ping pong. without those, i felt like there's no "purpose" of doing it all
i do feel like it's kinda toxic

[magic ridge]

i tend to overwork myself until something works, maybe that's why💔

[white relic]

yeah, it's an easy trap

[icy pagoda]

doing something with someone will often only work without limiting you if you find another you tbh. you're limited by the intersection of your friend's and your free time to be productive otherwise (which isn't exactly a bad thing but well, i've found that come by rarer these days ngl) (it's easier to just chill/play games with them).
hanging around in programming communities and creating something you would personally love to use helps that a decent bit

ever wanted a harder wither fight? code it yourself and drag your friends to playtest it. ever felt the end was too bland? code it yourself too

[magic ridge]

I've never even peek inside of mc mod's code😭 but i guess i should try someday for funsies

[icy pagoda]

definitely start with fun stuff which motivates you. you'll soon enjoy the puzzles it throws at you, v similar to games

[zinc stone]

das kinda me

[vapid jay]

you need to figure out how you learn. experiment with different methods, and i am sure you will figure it out :D

[storm nymph]

Hi I’m sell python discussion is it possible to get a job knowing only how to program in python ?

[vapid jay]

it's unlikely that you'll get to be interviewed, let alone be accepted, in a job where programming isn't just an auxiliary tool

[storm nymph]

What should I learn ?

If I’m going to learn python

[vapid jay]

well if you got the basics out of the way, tinker around with multiple topics of programming

whatever interests you ™️

[acoustic idol]

Hiiii guys i want help with my seminar topics

[remote jungle]

man internet is indeed a place to find ppl with same brain cell😅

[magic ridge]

[remote jungle]

well how do i phrase it....knowing python is good ...it will help u how to make computer do ur intended work but ...in order to land a job...there are many ways...in python specifically you can learn backend, do frontend and also become a data scientist or ml engineer...and list goes on and on......of course learning is one thing and selling yourself in market is another ...so just don't assuming only learning will help u down the road...and there are other factor as well

[velvet salmon]

Looking for job opportunity as a python backend engineer

[peak halo]

are you asking for job hunting advice, or do you want someone to actually give you a job?

[muted geyser]

where can i learn python?

the syntax

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[muted geyser]

tnx

[waxen hazel]

I know its more nuanced and stuff but why couldnt companies replace 80% of their employees with AI?

in the future ofc since its not that developed now

[balmy spade]

Who knows what will happen in the future.

[loud phoenix]

Hello guys I am happy to be one of this big community

I am data science student I will get bachelor degree this year

[formal badger]

Oh yeah baby new logo NEW LOGO

[proud dome]

how is your nan sai desuka?

[magic ridge]

im 17 this year

[proud dome]

ok desu

[proud dome]

are u Japanese?

[magic ridge]

uhh... why?

[proud dome]

hah , I am japanese

I am happy to meet Japanese.

@magic ridge
are u learning about python?

[magic ridge]

nice to meet you too！
yes, im learning python

[proud dome]

I am system engineer
@magic ridge
so I am happy to teach u python
are u ok?

[magic ridge]

sure！

[proud dome]

Ok desu!

DM!

[crimson dagger]

hello fam

[harsh lintel]

Hey guys i am a frustrated mechanical engineer bored with the world of building services engineering on his late 30s who finally tried codding and seem to love it. Any worth pursuing this professionally or someone starting just now with my age has no chances what so ever? Is the market saturated?

[vast shoal]

It seems like it's harder for people with less experience now than it used to be. I don't think it's impossible, but it's also not easy.

[final ravine]

Try applying to jobs and see what they say

You might need a portfolio on GitHub and you might need some massaging of your CV

There's other routes to tech too like product owner or test automation

[harsh lintel]

Thank you for the feedback guys, i am yet far from ready. So the strategy is going to be to continue learning, applying the things i learn on my day to day job making it more efficient work on other projects in git. Maybe in the future when i feel ready i would switch. For now i have just started with Python and i am loving it 🙂

[final ravine]

I think just send your CV off to some recruiters and see what they say

You can do a job interview see what questions get asked and then you know what to practice for next time

[harsh lintel]

Ok thank you @final ravine i will for now stick with the plan and maybe later do that

[final ravine]

Another thing you can do is start making a portfolio on GitHub

[harsh lintel]

I have just started so i wont have any chance. I will build up my knowledge start a portfolio in github and then time will tell 🙂

[final ravine]

You should go to some conferences

Like europython it also has tutorials

[buoyant seal]

What kind of stuff you did in the past as mechanical engineer?

Would u say embedded development may be is quite close towards your previous domain? In such case getting hired as embedded dev could be far easier with your previous work experience

[scenic cliff]

I got a job interview at Capgemini. I have looked online, and it seems like a good fit for me. However, I saw a lot of hate for the company online. Does anyone have experience working in it?

[quick swallow]

I'm not Japanese but I can speak it!

[near ocean]

It's a consulting firm like accenture and co, probably has high turnover, low pay, boring projects and terrible middle managers

[scenic cliff]

Ah, so it's probably a job to do for a year or two while I get my foot in the door?

[near ocean]

Sure

[upper verge]

Hey am gonna come in class 10th and am debating wether to choose tech or medical (physics chemistry bio or physics chemistry maths) and after debating with chat gpt if I do something in Ai how could I get replaced by it and medical had only a little options with good pay and still no work life balance compared to something like ai engineering or data science

Just need opinions if I do take pcm which career do I opt for as there are like 100 I can't decide

[quaint mist]

anyone know what micro center is ?

I have a interview tomorrow for a potential interview / shadowing / job opportunity and I need some advice

Also advice on interning at a local tech store

[raw cloak]

as software engineers we gotta start a union to make our lives easier "Software Engineering Society of America"

it's a bit of a mish mosh, but this is what I could think of for now

I'm thinking our platform should be:

• no insane 4 hour interview or 10 round interview
• no crappy tricky questions that force you to just memorize algorithms for no reason that'll never be used on the job
  • Skill evaluation reform – Advocate for hiring based on practical, paid project work—not unpaid side projects or Leetcode marathons.
• all job hiring posts must contain the salary or rate and not be left blank to be negotiated during the job interview
• no forcing of overtime if they planned badly
• Layoff protections – Require fair notice, severance, and employee input during downsizing.
• high wages and salary
• letting employees take their vacation and sick time without any fear or repercussion from "infinite pto"
• remote work flexibility
• clear promotion path without having to play politics with your manager
• Protection against non-competes/NDA abuse
• Right to disconnect (no after-hours work pressure)
• Clear severance policies
• IP ownership clarity for personal projects
• Anti-surveillance policies (limit employee tracking)
• Paid education & upskilling programs
• Standardized job titles and leveling across companies
• Parental leave and caregiver support
• Protection from toxic management or harassment
• Enforce sustainable workloads – Protect members from burnout with realistic deadlines and workload caps.
• Time to address tech debt – Protect regular cycles for refactoring, maintenance, and internal tools.
• Anti-ageism hiring & promotion policies – Enforce equity in career advancement at all ages.

[near ocean]

This isnt relevant to the channel
You posted this in another server im in and it also wasnt relevant there, are you spamming?

[raw cloak]

no I was posting it to see what other software engineers think, and where I posted in the other channel was also about career so I figured this fits in

do you want me to take it down?

[near ocean]

Its a wishlist and an unrealistic one at that

[pine sleet]

greatest computer store in the states

[balmy spade]

There's quite a bit of vagueness in the platform you are outlining. The summary could use trimming and stronger focus on enforcable details.

[raw cloak]

it was just my first attempt and a brainstorm just to see what our thoughts are and if we want to persue this or not

[near ocean]

Shouldnt first steps be "how to form a union"

[raw cloak]

maybe, but I figured if we should see what we want before we try to form something, but I've never done this so I'm just brainstorming

[quaint mist]

I have a interview tomorrow for a internship / shadowing / job opportunity

How do I prepare

[upper verge]

.

[balmy spade]

Your chances of being replaced by AI in a tech field are just as unknown as they are in a medical field. You could even just blend the two. Physics chemistry bio and physics chemistry have to interact with technology as well.

[past wasp]

is python still worth it ? as i m not able to decide

[peak halo]

You don't get a job because you know a certain language. What are you trying to do?

[past wasp]

im 18

in college trying to be software engineer

[peak halo]

what sorts of things do you already know how to do?

[past wasp]

print hello world

[peak halo]

do you know how to do anything practical in any language? it's okay if you don't.

[past wasp]

no i started yesterday

[peak halo]

but you're in college. have you declared a major?

[past wasp]

computer science but they dont teach python they teach c and c++

[peak halo]

Python has a more gradual learning curve than c and c++, so if you have free time, you'll almost certainly find some use for knowing python in the future.

[past wasp]

AI told me told me to learn python and then do ai ml so i can get job is it true?

[peak halo]

if you want to get a job in AI/ML (I have one), you will probably need to get a masters degree. and you will definitely have to do as much coursework in AI/ML as you can.

python is by far the most used language in AI/ML, but you will not get a job in AI/ML if you just claim that you know Python and various AI/ML libraries.

[past wasp]

i m betech student my degree of 4 year then master of another 2 year?

[peak halo]

what country is this?

[past wasp]

india😭

but i can change country if i get job

[peak halo]

idk how things work in India. A lot of young people in the US think that they can get AI/ML jobs if they "learn python" and do some portfolio projects

[past wasp]

what exactly i neeed to do ?

[peak halo]

you should find some people in India who have the kind of job that you want to have, and ask them what they did

they probably aren't on this server, because we don't have very many career-age people from India.

[past wasp]

yea

[hybrid scarab]

I am 20 and I need to start working on a project so I’ll know if I know python

[trim crow]

now

[hybrid scarab]

Yeah I now

[vapid jay]

can anyone else decode this "Tg8xrP0mHv6t8WVHPGAY6g%3D%3D"

[final ravine]

No? Where did you find it? Is it relevant to #career-advice

[vapid jay]

No just want to decode this

[final ravine]

You'll need to open a #❓｜how-to-get-help channel and add some context

[vague crane]

Am tryna start making chrome extensions to help people with little to no cost do you guys think it's smart?

[lucid salmon]

Uhh maybe

[vast shoal]

I guess it depends on why you're doing it

And what the extensions are doing

[vague crane]

Rn I have done 2

But those ones are free the first one allows you to save notes on each tab so that you return later an see it

It has 2 installs as of now am so happy for that

An the 2nd one is vivid reader that one is still in review it helps e readers read books easier or researchers read articles easier by giving them the option to make font size bold or larger

[vast shoal]

Any project can be helpful as part of your portfolio

Make sure to make the code available on your Github profile

[vague crane]

How do I do that git hub confuses me tbh

[buoyant seal]

And make sure having proper documentation (README.md with screenshots), and preferably license

[vague crane]

Which license do you recommend

[vast shoal]

Github has great tutorials on itself and git

https://docs.github.com/en/get-started/start-your-journey/about-github-and-git

[buoyant seal]

MIT is good one that just allows people do whatever they wish.
Good if project is aimed to be used inside commercial ones

I tend to use usually AGPL-3. It is basically license that forces any person using my code to keep code open source available (even if they host it as networked app)

They is option for lesser GPL that can work for libs in less restrictive fashion than agpl, so that people could embed it in other apps without viral effect

[vague crane]

What's the use of sharing your code I don't get the end goal of this ?

[vast shoal]

So people can see if you're good at writing code or not

Assuming you want to make a career out of this, which is the topic of this channel

[buoyant seal]

• show off of skills. Pet projects present how u will do your work. Basically part of resume
• security reasons. People will not trust launching app from no name person if they can't review or build on their own your app
• for big open source, attracting help from other people

[vast shoal]

Ah yeah, that's also a good point

If you want people to install your extension into their browser, it's very important that it's possible to audit that it's safe to use

[vague crane]

OK I will try and use github from now on

[vague crane]

OK I will make one for both of my extensions

[vague crane]

What do i put in the Readme.md ?

[buoyant seal]

in the project root. https://github.com/darklab8/fl-darkstat , that makes visible all that text below visible and screenshots
https://github.com/darklab8/fl-darkstat/blob/master/README.md

[buoyant seal]

Make sure your README.md preferably has

• how your program looks like
• how to install(start to use, including how to download, optionally if instruction to use is difficult to explain in screenshots and text, then even adding video)
• how to build (optionally how to start its development in general)
• preferably also lists its features
• optionally README can be listing your contacts and other stuff

[mortal shoal]

Is there a typo in the description? 'Freeancer'?

[edgy mesa]

Bro typing at the same time as me

[buoyant seal]

Thanks for the catch

[neon crane]

How to get a python certificate for free

[peak halo]

There are no free python certificates that matter

[crude cobalt]

i need help in code do i just ask here or is there someone i can dm

[near ocean]

You ask in #1035199133436354600

[crude cobalt]

thanks

[hasty flame]

Yo guys , I am doing basic python .. learning how to code , I have done lua till advanced and before that I did python , now I have completed list , dict , sets , file I/O and am currently doing OOPS ... if anyone one of u have any reference book for beginners pls tell me

[winged summit]

Just curious, how do you guys handle working with a large, mature codebase and working in agile?

I was recently swapped from a team that did 4 week sprints to 2 weeks after working at my first software development job for 2 years, and also had to work through a ticket where to extend printer name lengths from 10-15 characters I had to contact 12 other teams in the company and modify ~100 pointer fields that are referenced in various places on like programs, UIs, so on. (Yeah, they had shit code)

My boss recently got a bit pissed at my progress on this project and to be fair I wasn't working the whole day most of the time, however I think this ticket is also just a fucking nightmare and I can't reasonably commit to any amount of work because you run into landmines changing things in ancient code. If I were to actually work 8 hours a day on this ticket I'd end up messing up and messing things and bricking other systems.

This has lead me to thinking maybe I should be more strategic with how I pick tickets, and consider how likely the ticket is to introduce bugs, blow up in scope, interact with legacy code, and so on to pad my own reputation. I don't want to be this way, but for some reason my boss was happy when I was doing under 100 line bug fixes involving a few files and being on time, then pissed when I'm actually working on a pretty sizable change that honestly I'll be proud of if it even ships and doesn't brick anything.

Basically I feel this is mostly a communication issue but maybe I should just look out for myself, considering a two week sprint is not really enough time to actually deal with a roadblock without sacrificing things like "sprint completion rate" and all that bullshit.

I'm kind of at my wits end here, I got diagnosed with ADHD which I probably have, and am using adderall to push through this ticket. I was getting severe anxiety and depressive systems before hopping on addy which was part of why my progress was a bit slow.

I think after this I'm going to just move to a cloud team and give up on this company's shit codebase entirely.

I legitimately just think 2 week sprints are incompatible with a 50m line of code 15+ year old code base.

It doesn't sound like I'm closed to getting laid off or anything yet, I have 50k saved, and I live with my family so I could really care less if it happened, I'd honestly be relieved to be laid off at this point and I can go complete my BS CS (I only have an AS CS atm).

[buoyant seal]

Not really having big problems with management, because i am lucky having managers with extensive at least format dev experience

Otherwise when i face big many days problems, which can take a week for their solving, i usually do next stuff...

1. I just create sub tasks in jira for the task i do. if the task splittable to sub tasks.
2. I report detailed sub tasks daily to our slack channel about my progress
3. when i start the task, i commonly address first learning how to debug the related stuff for the quick iteration of the problem.

• learning how to enter shell to debug specific problem, learning small code stuff to replicate it, learning infra interfaces how to debug it, and etc. Learning how to debug specific problems i am able to iterate super fast in the second part of doing the task
• when we first got started onto kubernetes stuff, i actually just went to read "The Kubernetes book" quickly with trying its small exerices and learning navigating it with k9s. Some preparations help far easier doing the tas
• When i needed integrating Cloudwatch AWS metrics into Grafana, i learned how to explore those metrics/finding what exists/quering, before i converted them into prometheus/mimir metrics and required. Small learning dive is always helpful to solve task efficiently
• if the code is messy, i could be having fun in trying typing it first, or even covering by unit tests to learn it

4. then i usually do the task

[balmy spade]

The length of the sprint has little to do with the size of the code base. What you are explaining sounds, to me, like very poorly planned tickets. There was no exploration (spikes) to determine the size, scope, and impact of a "just change the size of the field"? That's insane. Even for a small codebase, I'd expect a ticket like that to have the ability to just explode in scope.

If the lead is not happy with the progress of the ticket, and communication allow for this, then you should talk about the tickets. Talk about the lead time needed to become familiar with the new code base. Talk about what discovery goes into the scope of the ticket. Find what works between you, your lead, and the stakeholders to break those stories down a little more. Or, if that isn't posible, throw more engineers at it.

[buoyant seal]

Usually i always fight the boredom also with music https://youtu.be/ix_qxEWfS0U
Heck, there is literally "ADHD Relief" genre of music 😏
Music helps to concentrate and keep steady level of concentration. If not right away, then steadily focus climbs with time
It is not uncommon in my workday having pauses which are made specifically for the purpose actually to climb my focus level through music.

I am sort of paid for doing the work, and always working remotely. No point trying to imitate activity.
So i am always trying to bring myself to peak productivity through music
If i need to take a nap, or listen of music, taking shower? eating food as i am low on energy? I do that, and try to give my best 8 hours of work in a day. I try not just going through the day, i try to give the energy and focus i can gather in this day. If i need some action to do to take care for doing that, i do that, so i would be 100% prepared and productive.

[velvet salmon]

Hi, All.
Looking for new job opportunity as a full stack developer and ux/ui figma designer myself.
If someone have any project idea, dm is open now.
Thanks

[steady plaza]

Ok so I'm getting my laptop soon and I wanna start freelance coding. Is it good to go to Fiverr or is there another way to get gigs ?

[pine sleet]

freelancing isnt a good way to get money or experience for most people. but yes fiverr is one of the most popular

[deft plume]

Is it a good side job?

[nova kiln]

ello peopl, how can i um improve my python script. thanks

[vast shoal]

This is a channel for discussions about jobs and careers, but check out #❓｜how-to-get-help

[pine sleet]

not really

[stoic umbra]

What even is your goal 😭

print(f'Found: {user_input}')
return

[balmy totem]

hello, can i ask about freelancing in here too

[pine sleet]

sure

[balmy totem]

i see that above you mention freelancing isn't that good, so i ask why is that; i live in a small town in country side of Brazil and i can't find internships in my location, remote ones are very demanding so i thought it would be best to resort to foreign freelancing gigs to help gather experience and earn some while learning - internships here starts at monthly 500 usd [converted], going up to 1000 usd in junior positions later on, so if i can do just that with freelancing i'm okay with it. my last resort is moving out of town to partake in rat race in office job for minimum wage xD

did a deep search in chatgpt so i already know the main technologies and most requested gigs for entry level, just need some advice on the business

[pine sleet]

a full time job will usually always make more money than freelancing. for experience, you'd get about the same level of experience making personal projects and contributing to open source that you would from freelancing

[upper verge]

We have to take pcm to go into tech and stuff here

[limber musk]

i know the basics of python like variable, classes, functions etc.
..
The internships i apply for want a lot of knowledge but tell people like me that it is for beginners..

yesterday i spent close to 5 hours without getting any good output of the internship task.

should i apply for internships or work on making a good foundation???

[summer roost]

Most internships are designed for people who've been studying computer science or software engineering for the last 2 to 3 years (that is, they're intended for people entering their 3rd or 4th year of university)

If you're finding that you don't yet have the knowledge that the internships are asking for, then yes, you likely do need to stay focused on learning more

[elfin rock]

Can anyone help me in the python help chat

[vapid jay]

im currently studying bachelor in IT with cybersecurity specialisation. im considering to study ms-900 and put stuff like Active directory, azure, ticketing related stuff on my GitHub and try to apply for entry-level helpdesk full-time job in the middle of my studies
is this a good idea?

my uni is kinda light

or should I just go for internships for the bigger roles like soc analyst

im so scared of being unemployed after my IT degree

i saw someone at my uni get a high distinction in IT, was in the hall of fame, and works at McDonalds now
his CV was so sad like his skills were 'flipping burgers' 😢

[viral coral]

@vapid jay
just did you begin learning IT?

[velvet salmon]

Hi, All.
Looking for new job opportunity as a full stack developer and ux/ui figma designer myself.
If someone have any project idea, dm is open now.
Thanks

[muted vale]

Career Direction Question: For those who wanted to enter Data Vis and BI by creating a project to demonstrate skills. how did it go? did it go well? for recruiters who look for those talent or hiring managers, do you look for peeple with one project entry or also look for something else?

[faint depot]

Does anyone know when BT will display more apprenticeships? Waiting for weeks for them to put up more roles. Usually they release them quite early

[supple sphinx]

is including open source contributions in your resume good or nah?

[vast shoal]

If it's a trivially small contribution, it might seem disingenuous. But if it's reasonably significant, I think it's great.

[supple sphinx]

i mean i got paid for all of these, it was sort of bug bounties

[vast shoal]

That sounds good.

[supple sphinx]

alright i am gonna include them then, thank you

[scenic cliff]

Then say you debugged and contributed to open source repositories, handling X amount of bugs across Y repositories.

[cursive valve]

Hi guys !

I’m a beginner Python learner and I made a roadmap using GPT to get some route to follow. ** The problem is that I love coding and solving problem but I don’t know what to do as a job with that** . This roadmap should be something pretty broad that could allow to apply to job post entitled « Junior Python Developer ». Let me know what you think of this roadmap, is it good, too broad, too much etc…
Will i need a degree or can i do it self-taught ?

Thanks everyone 🙏

edit : I tend to be leaning more on the data side, because I like statistics, doing sheets etc…. (Is this dumb ?)

📌 Month 1: Python Fundamentals & Mini Scripts
📌 Month 2: Object-Oriented Programming & APIs
📌 Month 3: Backend, Databases & Automation
📌 Month 4: Cloud, DevOps & Deployment
📌 Month 5: Data Handling & Analysis
📌 Month 6-7: Testing, Debugging & Job Hunt

[summer roost]

Rather than mentioning the OSS contributions themselves, I think it would be more useful to mention the bug bounties. Lots of people contribute to OSS, but not many people participate in bug bounties. Being able to fix bugs that were important enough to someone enough to put a bounty on them is impressive, though

[fringe sphinx]

Start with the top pinned message in #python-discussion . Avoid GPT as a beginner: learn the basics, do some small projects, and let yourself adapt to the new challenge. There are plenty of high quality resource, you don't need to makeup a new roadmap.

[fringe sphinx]

This roadmap is pretty unrealistic anyway... it'll take you time to get just your fundamentals down and able to complete small projects. You certainly (starting from 0) won't learn any of these these topics to anything more than familiarity in a single month. For a software engineering job, most jobs expect a degree. It's hard to land a SWE job without one, but there are adjacent jobs you can start with to build your experience, like QA .

[cursive valve]

Thanks for the detailled answer !,
What's QA ?

[fringe sphinx]

https://www.reddit.com/r/QualityAssurance/comments/vgrf40/answering_the_questions_1_how_can_i_get_started/

[spring fog]

Hey there!! I am New one Here and i am young

Please Here my request out

[peak halo]

What is your request? (Be sure that it's allowed according to the #rules)

[spring fog]

I am a 15 y/o stupidly dumb guy and i know just basics of the python and there is more

see, i started learning this language when i was 11 or 12 maybe or younger but i still don't know how to write codes like you all guys... can u all just tell me how do you do that

[willow timber]

same here, but im 23

[spring fog]

yk there is a new AI called "Loveable" which can build apps webpages and more...

bro that thing is "stealing" Jobs rn

[willow timber]

im just trying to follow along a few projects and get my brain to understand stuff

[spring fog]

but how do you remember all that libraries and all!?!?

[willow timber]

wouldnt say so..ai also needs people who operate

[willow timber]

step by step...im not trying to rush anything and take my time and dont start witht the hard shit

anyways im out

[spring fog]

soon when i will be around 18 don't u think they can operate on... ATLEAST Voice command?? by some boss and then

[vast shoal]

AI is getting pretty good at generating code, but it's far from the level where it can manage to produce entire commercial applications on its own.

At best it can improve productivity to some extent.

I have a hard time believing that AI is actually pushing developers out to any noticeable extent at this point.

[peak halo]

I think to the extent that generative AI "is" pushing developers out, it's the result of misguided middle managers saying "oh, we can just stop hiring juniors and buy an enterprise subscription to $code_generation_service"

I don't actually know if that's happening or not. it just seems like the kind of thing that would be.

[vast shoal]

Maybe there are cases like that, but that's likely to be a temporary disturbance that'll settle once the hype dies out.

[peak halo]

No, the hype must go on (because my career depends on it)

[vast shoal]

I'm not saying AI can't evolve into something that actually does replace developers in the future, but that just hasn't happened yet. But a lot has changed lately, so it's very hard to predict what'll happen in the near future.

[open ivy]

Crucially, AI runs on a classical computer. Not a quantum one! It will be a long time before quantum computing scales up (how will we debug it?) to a level needed to challenge human brains.

The enormous amount of effort in curating the training data of modern AI is hard to imagine. And indeed it is very valuable as a database.

[peak halo]

It's not a forgone conclusion that quantum algorithms can produce more capable models than "classical" ones.

[vast shoal]

I highly doubt anyone here is capable of making any kind of reliable predictions about what'll be possible with LLMs or other types of AI in the near future.

Probably not even domain experts.

[open ivy]

It seems likely, looking closely at human behavior, that the brain is making use of quantum computation as well and natural selection only would favor this if it was useful.

I could go on about stochastic-vs-coherent, design-to-do ratios, birth order effects in light of the no-cloning theorem, quantum cognition models, radical pairs, Davydov solitons, the rarity of shamanism under Western nuclear family structures, isotope effects of psychotropic drugs (Lithium, Xenon), etc.

But maybe that would be off topic...

It is more practical to say:

• Chat GPT is an excellent source of factual information. Although not 100% correct due to the vagueness of neural networks.
• In the near future we have to convince bosses that programming is more than just bolting libraries together.
• We also need our own portfolio projects to be more than just bolting libraries together ourselves!
• We don't know the far future and that is like guessing the wether 6 months from now.

[vast shoal]

Also a little looney tunes.

Anyway, those are various extreme claims that would require incredibly extensive evidence, and what you're aiming to prove is how the human mind functions, but it's also not a foregone conclusion that what we need is to replicate how the human brain works.

LLMs don't work like brains do, and they can do things brains can't, just like brains can do things LLMs can't.

[open ivy]

True. The biggest advantage LLMs have is scale. There is no way we will learn all this info.

Medical school courses are more useful to me than med students. For me they give me a taste of the traditional "rote learning" that is useful in moderation. For actual medical students, it is too much of a good thing in a world where machines can vastly out-memorize us.

[vast shoal]

But yeah, uh, maybe we should stick to how the rise of AI affects employability and not go into the technicalities

To stay true to the channel's purpose

[open ivy]

My advice to us all:

1. Learn to use AI.
2. Build novel things that go beyond it's training data.
3. Convince future employers that we are indeed good at solving prolems in novel contexts where the AI suffers.

They aren't going to hire us to figure out how to connect Django to a basic cloud instance. That has been done many times before and is in the training data. We must do more.

[vast shoal]

I haven't ever been given any task throughout my professional career that could be handled by any AI I've seen so far.

Just the fact that commercial codebases are large makes it nearly impossible for the AI to operate autonomously.

You have to be there to filter and massage the context just so if you want the AI to output something remotely useful.

And even then, the output will only get you a small part of the way.

[open ivy]

Could you share a few examples of problem solving at the technical level as well as social human stuff?

I need to showcase similar problem-solving tasks in my own projects. That way future interviewers will relate rather than "well you seem so smart sorry we have to go now"

[vast shoal]

I typically receive a requirement specification from a business analyst that I need to turn into code. I use my knowledge of the system architecture to decide on how to organize the code and put what parts in which services, how the data should flow to ensure correct results and avoid race conditions and other data integrity issues, etc. I literally can't jam the nearly 500k lines of code the codebase consists of into the LLM's context, so if I just gave it the requirements, the output would be nonsense.

[open ivy]

Yes that is true, keeping a large project organized is tricky. Mine is about 10k lines and it is already satisfying to clean up a bunch of stuff in a refactor at this scale.

"Tell me about yourself" is a test to take a vauge request and make it specific. Which us programmers need to do all the time when endusers complain about stuff. So maybe there is a method to the madness of such a question.

[vast shoal]

Even if we ignore the fact that the requirements might be wrong, or that we don't know what the best design is because we may need information like the customer's hardware and volumetrics, etc., stuff you just can't solve from reading the requirements alone.

The best AI can do right now is solve certain low-level tasks that we used to have to do by hand.

Like write small scripts or tools, or bootstrap a new project, or write test cases in a very isolated context.

[open ivy]

We usually call the pro-AI people loony with their "replace humans in a 10 years" Skynet talks. Calling an AI-skeptic's arguments "loony" is unusual.

[vast shoal]

It's not about whether you're pro-AI or not, it's about the arguments themselves.

Replace humans in 10 years is not necessarily crazy, because we couldn't have imagined that LLMs would exist 10 years ago.

[open ivy]

Agreed. Tasks in the training data. "Small well-defined task in isolated ideal environment" is almost certainly in the training data.

[vast shoal]

It's impossible to predict technological revolutions, pretty much per definition.

[crimson temple]

I made this: Make a Decision.

Honestly, it's not much (it's in French, sorry), but I'm finally happy to release something official. I've worked on many projects but never finished them. So even if this is just a small thing, it feels great to launch it.

Let me know your feedback if you can, or just give it a try. Have fun!

[vapid jay]

If anyone knows which country is the one where software developers are paid the most and valued the most, can you tell me? Just give me a specific country

[open ivy]

It is also a social prediction.

A key ingredient is how much the social experts get along with the technical experts.

Right now not that well for me. I face a lot of social rejection reaching out to others much more than others reach out to me. I sustained this high ratio for at least a decade. For any of you in a similar situation, don't give up reaching out!.

It takes a community to raise a Big Idea. And I struggle to keep going on my personal project, without much community support. Please guys also don't give up your passions if the going gets tough!

Thankfully, social isolation has sub-cultural variation. Meetups and other venues where people reject me less do exist and I predict that they are more likely to be innovation hotspots. But predicting how many and how powerful of these "turbo boosts" there will be is very, very hard.

[vast shoal]

Those are two very different things, just so you know.

[vapid jay]

Okay, let's say the country where the highest salary is earned. If you have a specific answer to this, can you please tell me?

[open ivy]

NBA basketball players make millions but if I devoted my career to becoming one I would be broke.

[vast shoal]

The US, probably.

Maybe Switzerland is a contender as well?

Though even if you work in the US, it's only a small percentage of all developers who are paid the top salaries, of course.

[vapid jay]

But of course, money is not everything. Although money is important, the attention and love you show to this work is just as important

[vast shoal]

The attention and love that your employer shows to you is also important.

[vapid jay]

By the way, don't get me wrong, people can be curious about everything, my only goal was to satisfy this curiosity

and thanks for explaination

[open ivy]

Moving countries requires great social skills.

Do you realize just how much human convincing there is with immigration? It is an ordeal in any country.

If you have these kinds of social skills, and also have good technical skills, you have a career that will pay well (in terms of hours of work needed to pay food rent medicine) in your home country.

[vapid jay]

I am currently 16 years old and I think I am already busy with software development. I hope I will become a very good software developer soon and I am trying to improve my social skills as much as I can

[true harness]

the income disparity in the US is much greater

[vapid jay]

I never knew this. Everyone just says that software development is highly paid in the USA

[vast shoal]

Aside from that, I wouldn't want to live in a country with such poor social security and health care services.

[vapid jay]

in US?

[vast shoal]

Yeah

[vapid jay]

I mean, I'm really confused. Most of them are making a good future in software development in the US. How true are your words?

Maybe I don't see the truth because I'm not very knowledgeable about these issues

[open ivy]

The USA favors lots of traditional solutions for lower classes.

Broke a bone? DIY a cast rather than blow through three months of net savings.
Travel 10 miles? Drive? With what car you cannot afford? Bus? What public transit? Might as well walk it and think about the Native Americans who walked this similar route for thousands of years (sometimes bikes are too dangerous in traffic).
Housing/rents prices too high? I live an an area that is so wonderful (climate, ocean, mountains, city life) that it has exceptionally high homeless people. Some have nice cottages they built by hand from locally-sourced materials.

[peak halo]

dementati is talking about how the US doesn't have universal healthcare or much of a "social safety net". If you lose your job in the US and then have a medical emergency, you might be ruined.

[vast shoal]

And even if I'm not directly personally impacted by these issues, it's quite concerning if everyone around me are.

[vapid jay]

So the legal system in the US seems pretty weak

[peak halo]

what dementati and I have said has nothing to do with the legal system.

[vapid jay]

What is the source of this then?

[vast shoal]

Losing your job is also quite easy due to the very limited labor laws.

[open ivy]

Isn't it unfair that perfectly good people get ruined and marginalized from society?

Innovation in this situation is harder. But then there are the founders of Jazz. Disruptive innovation CAN come from the ghetto.

Anyone else looking for low anger social outcasts?

[peak halo]

Our legislature not deciding to do those things.

"the legal system" is things like courts.

[vapid jay]

Also, when you establish your career, sometimes you should not overlook the fact that there is more racial discrimination in the USA

[vast shoal]

It seems like there's some degree of racial discrimination in most places. I'm not sure whether it's worse in the US compared to most places. Though it's probably much worse now with the current government.

[vapid jay]

So the fact that this is the case is an indication of how poorly the legal system works in the United States

[open ivy]

Bringing this back to careers:
A lot of the lack of a safety net is from our history of slavery in this country. Coercing people to work by making it harder on them if they don't work.

I am looking to break into biology which will have to de-antibellum-ize soon. In programming, the computer runs code, in the lab YOU run the code. Visa slaves for cheap labor.

But that falls behind over time, following step by step instructions all day is of course in need of automation! And I am looking to bring my programming skills into this field when the time comes for modular, flexible automation.

[vast shoal]

Anyway, I may be biased, but I think if you disregard the absolute monetary value of the salary for a moment and consider the entire life situation, with benefits, social stability, job security, risk and stress, you're going to get a better deal in most European countries than in the US, career-wise.

[vapid jay]

By the way, what you said was really useful for me, and you are really right, there is not much racial discrimination in European countries except France, so they give you a better life in terms of welfare

[open ivy]

Racism is another hidden-gem generation machine, and Jazz is a powerful example of this. The more open-minded group is the less likely it is to self-racially-segregate, so it is another thing to keep in mind for networking.

[vapid jay]

While oppression can force people to find new ways to express themselves, it doesn’t mean that racism creates innovation in a positive sense. Jazz and other cultural achievements arose despite racism, not because of it. The resilience and creativity of Black musicians weren’t gifts from oppression; they were acts of resistance against it.

[open ivy]

This is important to keep in mind!

I am trying to make the best of a bad situation here, not saying that oppression is good! Also, I am enough of a social outcast that the tools black Americans developed to fight back will be useful to me. I will have to pay my dues by learning about their history.

[vapid jay]

It's really good to hear this and by doing this we will show that human rights are not violated

[open ivy]

My experiences with black people are super diverse.

Some are extremely quiet and reserved. A few are very loud. Some are uncannily similar to me. Some are polar opposites. Many are different from both me and others in an unusual way that is neither good nor bad, just hard to comprehend.

This is something to think about when I am networking. I try to anti-stereotype them by lowering the strength of my Baysian priors (a good habit in general!).

[pine sleet]

this is just people in general lol

what’s a baysian prior anyway

[open ivy]

How much you expect someone to act a certain way without any information about them.

[buoyant seal]

United Aram Emirates (UAE) probably.
High salaries like in USA, but no taxes i think for foreigners or smth like that
Beware ridiculous high cost of living like being in US Silicon Valley / San Francisco and etc stuff
And also climate... is overly hot 😅 deadly desertly hot.
Heck... i even was in Dubai at some point... Even during December as far as i remember it was ridiculously hot (My origin country only during Summer as warm as Dubai during winter). Not to say about June/Jule when it becomes consistently far more problematic

[vast shoal]

So it's just an ultranerdy way to say don't be prejudiced

[open ivy]

Dubai is extremely hot, dry, and HUMID.

It's strange to see higher dewpoints than Houston on many summer evenings with almost zero rain.

In a nearby city to Dubai we got this:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/iran-village-records-earths-highest-ever-heat-index-at-82-2c-what-does-this-mean/articleshow/112969326.cms?from=mdr

Death valley is to Everest as the Persian gulf is to K2. Combined with Dubai being super rich they have Epic air conditioning.

[buoyant seal]

There are some bad rumours about UAE though, for safey recommending just in case issuing two foreign passports with yourself if going to there
If your country is able to issue them. Two passports is more secure than having one. Or in general never letting go your foreign passport if it is one.
Things would be probably far easier if your country has embassy in UAE though

[lapis veldt]

Hey, is there any programmer here who knows Python coding?
I need help with a project—ongoing help. I got a BIIIIG Project in mind....

I need someone that helps in coding

Just pm me

[open ivy]

That is what is scary about bieng an immigrant. You don't get due process and many not-that-bad things can land you in big trouble. Look at Austrailia and thier detention centers for immigrations.

UAE is worse and has debtors prison etc. Very scary stuff.

[pine sleet]

wack

[rotund kindle]

I can help you

[deep knot]

Hey all,

I’ve made it to the final interview round for a backend-related internship at Spotify, and honestly, I didn’t think I’d get this far. Impostor syndrome is real 😅.

The next step is a technical interview split into two 1-hour sessions—one with the hiring manager, and one with engineers. It’ll include LeetCode-style questions, domain knowledge, and discussions about past projects. And here’s the kicker—I’m kind of spiraling now that I know how in-depth it might be.

I got their "how we hire" guide, but it didn’t make it clear that the technical interview would include actual coding challenges and potentially system design or backend-specific questions. I thought it would be more conversational and learning-focused, but I’ve now seen examples like:

• What’s the difference between TCP and UDP?

• What happens if an API you’re using is slow?

• And of course… LC mediums 😬

The thing is, my past projects are all school-based, and I didn’t contribute anything super impressive. I also listed Java, SQL, and Python in my cover letter, and now I’m freaking out they’ll think I lied if I can’t demonstrate “proficiency” under pressure. I'm a TA for Java, sure, but it's an intro course and even I forget basic things sometimes.

I’ve now been crash-coursing Spring Boot, PostgreSQL, and doing LeetCode problems all at once this week, but the interviews are this Friday and Monday, so time is short.

So my question is:

Should I still go through with the interviews knowing I might totally flop—just for the experience? Or is it fair to ask the recruiter if I could back out gracefully (without perhaps being blacklisted)?

I’m open to learning and know this would be great practice, but I’m also scared of wasting their time (or mine) if I’m just going to fumble through both interviews, and for 95% of the questions just answering that I'm not sure.

Anyone been in a similar spot before?

Thanks in advance for any honest advice!

[peak halo]

You should absolutely go through with the interview. And don't discount yourself. And you're not wasting their time

If it somehow actually is the case that you're entirely unqualified for the position--and it probably isn't--they're the ones who budgeted time to talk to you some more. That isn't your problem.

[deep knot]

Is it worth it even if I say "I don't know the answer" in response to 95% of the questions? Has this ever happened to anyone, and what were the consequences?

[lilac sundial]

Sql amd java is where they will probs grill u the most

And i guess u can use pyth for the leets

[peak halo]

He seems sure that you won't know the answers to any of their questions.

You seem*

[deep knot]

Mostly because I breezed through my courses by cramming for exams and less by absorbing the material, anyone can pass courses by rote memorization, that's why I hesitate on what I know

While my biggest flaw is doubting myself, I don't think I am qualified for this internship

Yes I made it to the final round of the interviews but so has many others who are literal gods in leetcode 😂

[peak halo]

That's not your biggest flaw. But regardless, you should do the interview. The worst case scenario is that you don't get it, which is the same outcome as withdrawing from the interview.

[lilac sundial]

Minefield of south indians and koreans

Dghf i have a suggestion but the mods wont take too kindly too it. It involves a guy who got kicked from. Colombia uni as of recent

[rustic leaf]

Question if you are studying python again what is the way to master and be expert at this field? Please need answer

[lilac sundial]

Wake up at 2:45am and grind till ur eyes bleed

Bc thats what i pretty much do these days. Tough cookiez

[rustic leaf]

what time you sleep

[lilac sundial]

Err 9pm so i can get the best slp quality and be awake the most

On some days i go w 4hrs too long as u sleep arnd 8-9 the slog is not that bad

One of these days thogh i will need some thicc glasses

[deft herald]

Go back? But 5 years from now is in the future

[rustic leaf]

it's kinda hard to sleep 9pm still early

[velvet salmon]

Hello! I'm currently seeking new job opportunities. If you have a project in mind or are considering ways to enhance your website or web application, I would be excited to discuss it with you as a software engineer.

[spare saffron]

It been a week after learning python and i can say

I have learn nothing🫠

[spring fog]

yk I told an AI named Lovable to teach me python and bro created a whole python bootcamp course in the matter on minuts

@velvet salmon Heyy! Nice to meet ya

I am Seeking Job opportunities as a 15 y/o

[vast shoal]

This channel is for discussing Python and software careers, and work-related topics, but not for recruitment or asking for jobs

[lilac sundial]

U can join google if u know how to reverse a string so don worry

[spare saffron]

Wym google

[lilac sundial]

Its a small company

If you can just reverse a pallindrome in the interview they will let you join

[ancient surge]

Hello there

Ive been on and off again using Sololearn as a basis of learning the Python Language but I couldnt seem to get the grasp on how to start from scratch.

[vast shoal]

They are messing around

Don't take them seriously

[lilac sundial]

Like u cant understand the fundamentals?

If so, i reccomend you just stick to the brocode video on yt

[ancient surge]

Yea like how do python users even get to start from scratch

[vast shoal]

Maybe try a different learning resource

Sometimes it can help to view the same topic from a different perspective

[ancient surge]

Learning resource of a mobile app ?

[vast shoal]

No, Python learning resource

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[ancient surge]

Any recommendations from you, that can recommend me ?

[final flame]

hi

[balmy mural]

My personal recommendation is normally "Automate the boring stuff", which you can also find on the resources page

[ancient surge]

I posted in a channel about this question too.

[vast shoal]

I think both are pretty unreliable paths to follow. Blockchain is past the initial hype and maybe there is a bit of job market in it, but I think if you just want job security, mainstream dev roles are probably better options. Prompt engineering as a career seems very dubious to me. There are jobs related to LLMs and maybe there will be more in the future, but prompt engineering, I dunno, doesn't seem like something you need a dedicated role for.

[vast shoal]

I live in Sweden, so.

[vast shoal]

Varsågod

[cursive valve]

Hello guys !
Being new to all that i have a bunch of question for people that knows more about this industry !
1 - Can i land a job as a python developper in self-taught ?
2 - Does course certification like CS50P, IBM Data Analyst, Google IT Automation matter if i can't get a degree ?
3 - i've read everywhere that i'll probably start as a QA, do i need to my learning to QA or do learn the python développer skill (roadmap.sh) and when i'll want to apply to company pick up some in-depth QA and testing knowledge ?

[vast shoal]

1. Yes, it's possible.
2. It might contribute to making you look more serious and reliable, but it won't look as good as a degree on its own. If you can't get an academic degree, you're going to want a lot of other stuff to compensate for it.
3. You should definitely study development skills as much as possible right away, and continue with it even as you work as a QA, if you hope to move into a dev role later. Studying QA topics is helpful as well, not just for working as a QA but also for working as a dev. Thinking in terms of how to test and verify system correctness is a very useful and helpful skill as a developer.

[fringe sphinx]

Also: roadmap.sh is not particularly accurate or trusted. It's, at best, a few ideas of topics... but not a roadmap, study plan, or anything like that.

[cursive valve]

By "a lot of other to compensate for it" you mean doing a lot more project or something else ?

[cursive valve]

Is there a way to have more accuarate way to have sort of a "roadmap" for a dev role ?

[fringe sphinx]

Not exactly, all of us took different paths. We all know different things. Our jobs demand different knowledge, etc.

[fringe sphinx]

The beginning steps are the same tho: learn basic programming, and do projects. And keep learning through doing.

You can get 'good' in many ways, but all of those ways involve practice. Building things. Learning from others. And some purposeful reading/studying of topics needed to build the thing you want to build.

But, whether you build games, web apps, AI, etc, it doesn't matter

[cursive valve]

Make sense !
Thanks !

[vast shoal]

There are various things you can do. Take online courses, do your own projects, contribute to OSS projects, participate in code jams, engage in communities like this one, if there are local coding-related communities in your area you could look into participating in events and gatherings they organize, etc.

[vast shoal]

Stockholm

[vast shoal]

Software engineer

[fringe sphinx]

Unique? aren't we all?

Every engineer I've met is truly unique, not just saying it. They all have different strengths and weaknesses, interests, experience, etc.

[vast shoal]

I've been working for about 12 years now

[gray axle]

Hey guys. How big is the market for FastAPI?

[vast shoal]

I think you should think more in terms of what the market is for web development with Python, rather than some specific library or framework.

And if you want to go into web dev with Python seriously, you should become at least somewhat familiar with all of the major ones

[harsh raptor]

Hi guys, I'm new here. I'm wondering whether i should pursue a career in software engineering or data engineering.

[pine sleet]

depends on what you're more interested in

[peak halo]

people hear all these job titles and imagine that they're very distinct and clear-cut, but they aren't.

[harsh raptor]

I am interested more in software engineering but I'm also considering data engineeringi since I don't have to learn too much programming languages ​​in college

[harsh raptor]

so basically they are the same?

[proud glacier]

you're thinking about DE since you'll not have to learn as many languages?
I don't think that's a good factor to consider tbh

[peak halo]

"data engineer" is a more specific phrase than "software engineer". both are creating software. "data engineer" just tells you more about the kind of software they're writing.

you shouldn't pick a specific branch of software engineering because you think it will require you to learn less. it won't. you have to learn stuff every day for all of them.

[harsh raptor]

• my brother also recommends DE so I was a lil bit hesitant about picking between those 2

[digital fjord]

learning a language is not all that different from learning any other tool. You may not need to learn a new language, but you'll certainly be learning all the new tools that arise for DE (algorithms, databases, various APIs for doing the operations, ...). Doing DE with pandas and doing DE with spark is a different experience in a similar way writing Java and Python code would be.

[harsh raptor]

oh i understand it now, thank you so much!

[rotund kindle]

Sure you can, How many years are you into coding?

[cursive valve]

Few months

[harsh raptor]

thank you so much, i will consider the factors to help me choose the suitable job

[rotund kindle]

Are you studying python now?

[cursive valve]

Yes i'm self taught i can't afford college

[rotund kindle]

How old are you?

[cursive valve]

24 years old with a backgroubd in the vfx industry

[rotund kindle]

Got it, If possible I 'd like to give you tips for learning,

[cursive valve]

I'd love to hear them !

[rotund kindle]

I am open to dm

[wanton birch]

There’s been a decent development in the job market. Nowadays over half the companies do actually send me one of them “we regret to inform you” emails in a timely manner.

[lucid path]

Ambatukam

Lets ambatukam together

[vast shoal]

Is this related to a career or job discussion?

[lucid path]

Ambatuka

[vast shoal]

Please don't spam irrelevant messages in topical channels

[lucid path]

Sorry miss

[open ivy]

Anyone have a personal project that is difficult to explain because it has nuances that are hard to articulate?

How do we go about communicating it to future interviewers and networking contacts?

[vast shoal]

If you can't explain it, it might not be very useful as a credential.

[open ivy]

Yes this is why I am asking about how to explain things.

Haven't you had any project (work or personal) which is difficult to explain but then you find a clever way?

[radiant vortex]

If you're not able to explain your own project in a simple way, then you're probably not very well versed with it, so I wouldn't use it

I guess you could try and use something like the STAR model:
Situation - what was the context
Task - what needed to be achieved
Action - how did your program accomplish this
Result

But again, if you can't explain it in a simple way, then imo you're not really well versed enough with that project

[vast shoal]

Not really. I'm pretty good at explaining things.

[open ivy]

This should help me a bit.

I can explain it at quite a clear and detailed level that covers the motivations behind it, the prior art, and what I am working on to improve upon things. But that is hard to do in 60 seconds.

[mystic matrix]

Hey I wanted to ask you all that I lost my job because a project ended but now I have 2 choices.
1 I can take a non technical role and keep my job or
2 I can take a break and look for something.

Does taking a non technical job cause my resume to look bad ?

[fast fossil]

What is that non-technical role about? What were you working as on the project? What's the project about?

[leaden jasper]

!warn 368526629967757315 Please re-read our rules, we don't allow people to hire or pay others for services here. Also, don't spam your message across multiple channels.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @latent blaze.

[vapid jay]

I would say I'm quite average in IT overall

More technical stuff, programming and cybersecurity tools I just began tbh

I honestly don't feel super confident that I can land a more advanced role straight from university because the competition is hectic, I'm competing against coding prodigies who won like 3 hackathons

My end goal is probably cybersecurity, but it's very rare to get a role straight after university.
The pathway I think is, while I'm in university, I work in helpdesk for 2 years until my degree finishes.
Then I may do some certs and upskill to System Administrator and then finally move into a security role

[velvet salmon]

Now i am looking Python/FastAPI backend engineer position.

[vast shoal]

You still can't ask for paid work in this server

[haughty phoenix]

Hi

I am an igcse student and wanna learn computer and coding etc

I don't have any advance knowledge about these and wanna

Can anyone recommend any good resource to start with basics or any other advice

[lean edge]

Which b-tech course I should do?

Everyone

[vast shoal]

Automate the Boring Stuff is a very good intro book to Python, and it's free to read online

!res You can also check this page out, it has various learning resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[haughty phoenix]

I am new at coding and computer so can you recommend me from where should I start?

[vast shoal]

From the start of the book

https://automatetheboringstuff.com/

[atomic gulch]

1

[vapid jay]

i keep seeing people say that pros should use ai in their workflow instead of being scared of it because people who use it will be ahead. but whenever i use it its so slow and gets so much things wrong. how am i supposed to incorporate it ? (and by slow i mean i have to be there and write like 7 prompts)

[umbral frigate]

use it for simple tasks that just take a long time for a human to do, make it so that your life becomes efficient and that it is not a burden

[zinc stone]

Please help me get started with freelancing as a web developer & designer. I am 16 years old.

[peak halo]

you don't have to use it.
I use it in situations where I know where I have a fairly specific idea of what I want (like a function, what it does, what parameters it takes, what it returns) and would be able to tell that the result is correct. So I'm still doing the work internally of deciding how the program is going to work at a design level.

[fringe sphinx]

If you're beginning, don't use it. The advice is for people who have the experience and knowledge to know what they're doing. Me: I use AI often instead of Google, not as a coding assistant.

[zinc stone]

can someone tell me how to market myself

I have joined over 9 discord servers with thousands of members and applied for jobs there and even posted on twitter, reddit but I haven't gotten a single client.

I am doing the work for free but still no one has reached up to me.

[mild lichen]

Guys can you tell me any tips to continue learning python? i passed a mini introduction to python by Bro Code on YouTube, what should i do next? do you have any resources? or suggestions

[peak halo]

the most important thing is that you're writing code to actively apply what you've learned.

[mild lichen]

so i guess i should ask gpt to give me some small projects to code and to test myself?

[peak halo]

people usually don't want to "hire" a teenager with no demonstrated experience to do something for free. they'd rather pay a professional who they know can actually deliver.

[zinc stone]

:/

what do i do then? get better knowledge?

[peak halo]

!projects

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[peak halo]

I would focus on school so that you can get into a computer science degree program. CS students can get internships where they actually get paid, and you learn valuable skills.

[zinc stone]

That would take like 2 years or more

to even get a degree

[white relic]

it often takes years to get a job without a degree.

[peak halo]

Yep. People study for years to develop the skills for the jobs they have.

[zinc stone]

Ah ok...I was hoping i could start at this young age

[peak halo]

There are things you can start doing right now that will help you. Trying to "freelance for free" isn't it.

[pine sleet]

have you made complex projects of your own? or contributed to open source projects? those will gain you experience not dissimilar to what you might do at work

[zinc stone]

I have made portfolios only. This is what html and css can do and no i havent contributed to anything yet and i also dont know how to.

[haughty sage]

Hello am I wanna learn python

[pine sleet]

right. I'm sure you can see why people would prefer to hire someone with a degree and good projects for their freelance work

[zinc stone]

Lack of skill?

[haughty sage]

0 skills

[zinc stone]

I mean I get that knowing HTML and CSS only puts me at a great disadvantage. For that should I learn JS? I know basic html and css and im confident about that.

[pine sleet]

is the goal here still to get freelancing gigs or an actual job?

[zinc stone]

Whatever is possible, as of now freelancing.

Job is a later thing.

[pine sleet]

can you tell us more about yourself? educational background/age, country, previous work experience?

[zinc stone]

I just graduated high school (in my country that is graduating 10th grade). I am 16, from pakistan and I have only made a few portfolios as of now.

I have got plenty of time free before going to college so I am trying to freelance.

[pine sleet]

how long is the gap between graduating high school and going to college in your country?

[zinc stone]

I have around 5 months of free time.

[pine sleet]

i don't think trying to freelance is going to be a good use of that time

make sure you've secured yourself a spot in a good university with a good CS program. in the meanwhile work on more complex projects (and don't think of it as N languages used), contribute to open source, get involved

[zinc stone]

How can I find open source projects to work on?

[pine sleet]

it should generally be something that you personally use

for instance recently I was working on a project which uses an API, but that API doesn't expose a piece of data that I wanted, so I made a pull request to add that data to the API. I was already familiar with the API and was personally motivated to make changes

[zinc stone]

I personally...Idk what I use tbh. Never thought of it.

[pine sleet]

think about the apps you use, is there something you've been annoyed by? something you wished it had? if so, see if it's open source and what you can do about it

[zinc stone]

With my current skill level, I can do nothing. HTML & CSS cannot do that.

Should I learn javascript? maybe that will open up paths for me.

I gotta go, please clarify as I am in dire need of guidance.

[pine sleet]

sure, it doesn't matter much as long as you're learning something

[vapid jay]

why dont noobs know how to test?

unit test

[still condor]

well, if you haven't learned something yet, you don't know how to do it

[slim cosmos]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7X9w_GIm1s

someone may need this

[zinc stone]

...

[spare saffron]

teach me

[rapid holly]

does this looks nice?

[rapid holly]

so im trying to make my resume for a college assignment and im using this as an example the thing is
i dont have any kind of work experience im only in 3rd semester rn should i replace that with the projects that ive made? like those were still experiences?

also idek if the resume im looking at is a good example..

_ _
one more question.. what do you guys consider general skills?

[buoyant seal]

😏 scripting. https://giffiles.alphacoders.com/221/221791.gif

[true harness]

you should look at a resume template

[buoyant seal]

this resume is listing different stuff, but i would say it is missing two things

1. General software development skills (Like smth related to unit testing, coding architecture, stuff like that, read more in Code Complete book by Mcconnel)
2. Any technology fluff people would have learnt for specific common job roles in software development

I would also mark that resume is listing a bit more than usual esoteric stuff, i guess it is good thing to have
But if trying to extrapolate where are your strengths (for any specific job role), i am having hard time to see in this resume
Resume more of a linguist-translator than of a developer a bit at the moment

[rapid holly]

but are those essential things to be in a resume? like

• multimedia
• general skills
• job experience
  cuz i have none

[vast shoal]

The workflow section feels a little unnecessary. I don't think anyone's going to care much about that.

It's especially weird to have it at the top, since that makes it seem important.

[rapid holly]

i do have some technical skills tho like can i put a project that ive made it was "a real time chatting app using TCP sockets"

[true harness]

i don't even know why multimedia is on your resume. this is for software dev roles right?

[rapid holly]

yess

[vast shoal]

@rapid holly Did you come up with this layout yourself?

[rapid holly]

NO its a ss from a yt vid that im watchin...

[vast shoal]

a ss?

[true harness]

ah. this is terrible. don't use this

[rapid holly]

screen shot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5-BZ7JmYWk

[rapid holly]

so what should be on a resume tho.. if i may ask?

[buoyant seal]

1. if u don't have them, start acquiring general skills, as they are acqurable without actually having work expeirience yet
2. u can also make impact with your made pet projects
3. also list if u can participation in different competions. Such activity is very favourable too at the start

[rapid holly]

brother its a college assignment i have to submit it tomorrow i cant participate in competitions in one day

im not looking for a job but the purpose of this assignment is indeed that ig

[vast shoal]

You can use this page to see some decent templates: https://resume.io/cv-templates I dunno if it'll let you actually make your CV with it without paying, but you can at least see how a good CV is structured

Maybe it does let you download it, dunno

[rapid holly]

whats most important to you?

[vast shoal]

This looks good too: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/the-pragmatic-engineers-resume-template/

[vast shoal]

Short intro, then employment history, then education, then skills (like languages, frameworks, etc.)

Typically only include employment that's relevant to the position you're applying for

[rapid holly]

so as ive never worked in a corporate can i put the projects that ive worked on in work experience section?

[vast shoal]

What kind of projects?

[rapid holly]

ive made a chatting room using TCP sockets

[vast shoal]

No, put that in your github and link to it

Like in the template. If you have no work experience, you just leave out that section.

[amber oak]

Hello,

As part of my PhD at the University of Lille, I am currently conducting a study on how developers handle certain bug scenarios.
The goal is to better understand current practices, the tools used, and developers' needs regarding debugging in a specific scenario.

Link to the questionnaire: https://sondages.inria.fr/index.php/462191?lang=en
Your participation in this short questionnaire (5 - 10 minutes) would greatly help us analyze existing methods and identify potential gaps in the available solutions.

This survey will be open for 6 weeks (Until May 15th, 2025). The responses will be analyzed and included in a scientific publication. The results will be available here.

If you can, please feel free to share this questionnaire with other developers who might be interested.
Every response counts and will contribute to a better understanding of the community's practices!

A big thank you for your help and time.

Best regards,
Rémi Dufloer
PhD Student, University of Lille

[rapid holly]

oh yea there is a project section tooo...
would it be a good idea to put stuff like OpenGL/SDL2/flutter in tech section? i mean the guy didnt do it like if he used java he prolly know a thing or 2 about spring but he didnt mention it?

instead he choose to mention 2 dbs

[vast shoal]

Put the stuff that's most relevant to the position you're applying to first.

[rapid holly]

sir.. im not applying for jobs its for an assignment, But even in a real world scenario shouldnt i be applying for just every job out there since practising interview is a good thing?