career-advice

[vapid jay]

and he challenge in quantum physics isn’t necessarily the math itself, but rather the conceptual difficulty and the mental effort needed to hold onto such abstract and counterintuitive ideas. Concepts like superposition, entanglement, and the observer effect require a mental shift away from the classical way we think about the world, which makes it hard to internalize and remember them

[open ivy]

Yes. The only non-absurd thing about it is that it is fundmental to all existence.

[thorn juniper]

does anyone here happen to have leetcode premium?

[open ivy]

Setting aside my impossible-seeming communication boss battle, there are smaller versions of quantum and other topics that make good "stress-tests" of my skills at explaining stuff to novices. Useful for job interviews and on the job.

[vapid jay]

Guys who can teach my python 🐍

[vapid jay]

Anyway, thank you, I have to go. By the way, the topics discussed were very good and I enjoyed them. Frankly, our worldview has broadened a little.

[open ivy]

ok

[fringe sphinx]

That's great. Feynman said something like: you don't know it if you can't explain it.

[vapid jay]

#python-discussion is made for this purpose imo

[open ivy]

I can explain it, it would take a while however. But it involves so many layers of concepts that are either counter-intuitive and/or e-jamming-bait (concepts, that when explained, cause powerful emotions to block the person from understanding).

[vapid jay]

?

[vapid jay]

to help you solve your python problems

[deft herald]

Or are you asking how to teach your pet python how to code in python?

Either way, take a look at #❓｜how-to-get-help

[vapid jay]

But sometimes you can make great inventions even from something you don't know or explain an incomprehensible problem, everything is possible in the universe

[open ivy]

Evolution does that all the time.

[vapid jay]

lmao why did I read that "my" as "me"

[peak halo]

on this server, you can ask for advice about how to search for jobs, but you can't ask for jobs directly.

[vapid jay]

(IT NETWORK ADMIN)) or ( IT PROGRAMMING) (Anyone)

[balmy spade]

What is the question?

[vapid jay]

Which one is better for someone with 0 Knowing

[balmy spade]

Either one and both. Do you want to build programs or build networks?

[vapid jay]

I just got highschool diploma and am set to goto college, but between the careers i not know what makes the most, which ones actually demanding, which ones best for a beginner

[balmy spade]

They both make decent money in most situations. They both can be very demanding. Either is a choice you could make.
You're just starting college. You have a semester or two of pre-reqs to crunch through and plenty of time to explore what might interest you.

It feels like a lame answer, but it's a genuine one. There isn't a "correct" choice here from the opinion of someone else. You've got to go experience a taste of the many paths in careers and see where your own interests are.

[peak halo]

!ban 1339329270111142021 It looks like you're only here to ask for jobs and ignore instructions not to.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @raven glen permanently.

[delicate berry]

I dont like lc premium

[shell flume]

From reading .net tutorials to reading java read/write locks... java has gotten updated to being more compatible like c#.... java is used in local systems

[vapid jay]

Watch what I’m gonna do

[brisk swift]

guys guys im kinda having trouble in understanding disc funtions theres this code i wrote should i send it here or in #1035199133436354600

[near ocean]

It sounds like you need python help so you should probably not ask for it in the channel titled career discussion

[brisk swift]

Oh my bad I didn't notice i thought this was #python-discussion sorry

[plucky grove]

How hard would be for a teenager (18+) to get an internship from a different country? (like something remote). Like is it common for companies to offer such internships in the IT industry or they usually demand something on-site?

[buoyant seal]

exists very rarely.
usually on-site is the only available option for interns and juniors.
Only from middle rank it is common to get Remote working.

[balmy spade]

I missed the context of this reply.

[quartz aspen]

Remote internships are really rare and I'd honestly be wary of them (easy way to scam someone or use their data for some weird possibly illegal shit).

Good internships are on-site because you have some mentor who will show you stuff, explain the task, etc... and that makes sure you're actually doing the job, which is basically impossible remotely. As much as I love remote, internships are not it.

[plucky grove]

How would I go about discovering on-site internships in my country?

[quartz aspen]

Just find a website with job listings for your country and filter it for internships in the field you want.
A lot of internships may be summer internships - some companies just get a group of interns all at the same time to do stuff, and later decide if they want to hire some after that or not.

[plucky grove]

fair enough, thank you. Are there any popular job listing websites (besides LinkedIn) which offer internships?

[weak monolith]

Do companies in the EU offer remote jobs for freshers?

[near ocean]

I imagine some do, not as common though

[weak monolith]

Didn't companies start leaning towards remote work after the covid? I thought this happened to a lot of companies in the EU and NA

[near ocean]

We're not in covid anymore, RTO is a thing

[peak halo]

a lot of companies have rolled back their remote work policies.

[weak monolith]

I see, what's your opinion on WFO?

[near ocean]

I love it, thats all

[peak halo]

work from office? I think it depends on the company and whether there's added value for working in-person, or subtracted value from not working in-person.

but I think the movement to force employees back into the office is largely misguided.

[near ocean]

I love it when i work from my office here in my apartment, 3 steps away from bed and fridge

[arctic iron]

Hey,

Is there a platform to find a remote job.

[pine sleet]

linkedin

[arctic iron]

Thanks

[dense mica]

it's extremely difficult to get an internship in the US if you're not from the US

I'm from the UK and me (and all my friends) got rejected immediately from US positions, no interviews, because they only want US citizens.

That being said I did do an internship in a European country (not the UK) which did take international students and that was really good

Also my internships I've done in the UK took international students from all other European countries, so I think it's just a US thing that it's impossible to get an internship as an international student lol

[plush summit]

Is it actually have it as student but only feels decent so people can look you up aftwerwards like hate those automated messages

[undone flame]

hello guyss

[plucky grove]

I see, I am from UE, I guess any internship would work, just to get some work experience and a few bucks

[dense mica]

sorry what's UE? 😅

[plucky grove]

oh my bad, I meant EU, europe. I was too comfortable with my native language abbrevation

[dense mica]

ahaha yeah you can definitely try and get internships in the uk a lot of european interantionals get them

[pine sleet]

I don’t know what you mean

[slim cosmos]

Hello mates

i learned a litlle java at grasshopper

when i was in grade 4

now i am in grade 9

what programming language should i learn? is python a good option?

[near ocean]

Yes

[deft herald]

This server is biased though 😄

[slim cosmos]

then i gotta learn python lol 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/jedi-star-wars-anakin-lets-do-this-bring-it-gif-25364142

[radiant moss]

What kind of question is that in this server lol

[still condor]

If you want a contrarian non-Python option for learning programming, try the How to Design Program book

(not that useful if you already know how to program, probably)

[slim cosmos]

i got basic understanding

i am gonna fix to python

[buoyant seal]

Python is not without its many limitations.

it is hard to code in it large amount of code due to lack of static typing for any validations before runtime.
lack of proper multithreading
super slow in CPU performance.
zero OS cross compiling capabilities. Python is compilable/runnable only from current os for current OS
Also problematic compilable in general. (Makes very awkward trying to distribute CLI/Desktop apps to end users)

if u already tried Java, recommending to try continuing Java/Kotlin/Golang and etc road as it gives more options for performant running in multiple software development areas
Java is usable for both Web backend (where python is usable too), but also for Mobile and Desktop, including some game development (and game modding like for Minecraft, StarSector) and etc.
With language meant to scale in code size through static typing, there are much easier abilities to write code that could work even from first attempt to run it, and much easier to clean up and change its architecture to meet new demends of code size growth.
Though proper code quality requires getting hang of unit testing and some not overengineering code architecture, otherwise your code in those languages can be in less quality than people writing code in languages like javascript but with unit tests.

On another hand Python is very easy to write some scripts, code that is not needed to be maintained.
TLDR: do learn python if u wish, but not be fooled by its easiness to code at the start 😄 python is easy to start indeed.
and python is very easy to unit test too, due to everything patchable/mockable at runtime. Nothing is private there, everything is accessable.
And python is easy for making hacking dark magic libs, that manage to work through the means not really meant to be done, but it is made to work anyway. And often that the only thing people care about, that it works and provides some neat functionality that is easy to use for end user.

[vapid jay]

It's really slow I can confirm

[lost cypress]

I am currently waiting to hear back from a maang company regarding my final round new grad interview i had last week.

is it a bad or good idea to reach out to them to expedite the process because I am nearing the end of my interview processes' with other FinTech companies?

would this likely hurt or help my chances if my final round interview went really well?

or is this too nuanced to have any judgement on

[near ocean]

quick email to follow up and also thank them for the interview wont hurt, dont know if i would mention other companies and their interview processes

[lost cypress]

i already did this after my final round to the recruiter & interviewer last friday

no response even from recruiter still

[vapid jay]

I am mostly (almost all) self taught in python

[near ocean]

when did you follow up? should do it again

[lost cypress]

so my 4th and final round was last friday (March 14th), i followed up that friday night

so i guess its been 6 days

i just dont want to be annoying to the my recruiter and come off as a red flag or something

[near ocean]

its been an entire week, i would follow up again

recruiters have the balls to go on linkedin and complain candidates ignore them then pull this shit

their job literally is "email"

[open ivy]

Good point. It's a power flex.

Whenever I see someone power-flexing against me, I think to my self I am better than them because I will ensure I escape the crab bucket.

[lost cypress]

LOL! Just now got an email from the recruiter before following up again

[balmy mural]

I recently saw a recruiter from a company I applied to complain about it on linked in even though that exact company had not responded to my application for over a month at that point 😂

[open ivy]

Anyone heard of Mercor? What value-add does it actually do?

(you supposedly send your resume and it applies for you, but is it legit?)

[lost cypress]

ima actually cry if this is a rejection call.

recruiter just emailed me saying

Please let me know if you’re available tomorrow to hop on a call. My schedule is flexible.

i really hope maang companies dont schedule phone calls for a rejection man i'll be so defeated

[fringe sphinx]

They wouldn't waste their time for a rejection call. That's good news.

(Or neutral news)

[near ocean]

inb4 17 more interview steps

[lost cypress]

another company i did final round randomly called me this monday and told me

"Hi __ we received positive feedback after your final round. After going through feedback we have decided to move forward with another candidate, thank you for your time"

I genuinely find this so messed up

[fringe sphinx]

At least they told you. Means you were a contender, and did nothing wrong.

[fringe sphinx]

Nothing messed up. We often have to choose between several good candidates, and can't hire them all.

[lost cypress]

yeah that is true, it feels sincere for sure. but i guess internally it feels like oh wow they just called me and told me there was positive feedback and the call ends with a rejection yk

id rather just get an email

[near ocean]

how messed up it is depends on how many steps there were between start and rejection

[fringe sphinx]

My (uninformed) read of this is: you made it to next round of interviews.

[lost cypress]

after a final round?

(the hiring manager and recruiter told me the next thing id hear after i completed last week's interview would be a decision)

im really hoping this email means next steps as in offer accepting steps

[craggy scarab]

Can you send your CV? im curious

[lost cypress]

my cv had nothing to do with me getting the interview

strictly networking and conferences

[open ivy]

What are companies even getting out of all these interview steps?

It's like they really want to build a relationship up over time to see if you fit. But shoehorning networking into a formalized process does not seem likely to work.

[lost cypress]

this made me laugh rly hard btw

[craggy scarab]

Are you from UE or USA

[lost cypress]

usa

[open ivy]

Back to Mercor, remember how AI seems so impressive that it can write code to do things? How does it figure out to write code and explain what the code does?

These tasks involve receiving a prompt that a model is unable to properly answer (for example, “plot the Mandelbrot set in Python”). Your responsibility will be to complete these tasks each day by writing both high quality code and an English explanation of your work.

https://www.reddit.com/r/developersIndia/comments/1crv52z/mercor_is_getting_out_of_hand_with_obvious_scams/

They offered 20/hr to the OP and and supposedly 40 hours/week of tasks. 20 is a bit too little for me in USA (I live in a medium cost area: rents are high but HVAC, car costs, ocean trips, and mountain trips are all almost zero) but if you actually in India with lower COL and govt medical care it may not be that bad if you like to do a bunch of small programming tasks.

However, other people complained that Mercor asked them for unpaid labor so there may be a fair amount of scammy-ness here.

[brazen apex]

Congratz, pretty sure you got it

[lost cypress]

going in w no expectations tbh, but thank you ill keep yall posted

[normal prism]

Hi everyone sorry English is not my first language but I recently learned python with the framework FastAPI and I was wondering what should I do if i wanted to build a good portfolio

[vapid jay]

did you learn python with a framework? if so, bad mistake

anyway you should just make pretty cool/impressive projects

have the discipline to stick to a single project for a good while

[normal prism]

No I first I learned python first and then learned to use FASTAPI and build 2 very simple API with any front end or database

[normal prism]

But I am considering to changing the framework depending on what is needed

[vapid jay]

sounds about right then

basics are quite important

[solid cliff]

Hii

[quick swallow]

What happened to your question and your code

Did you change your mind

[solid cliff]

I sent the message accidently without writing the code

[fringe sphinx]

Ask coding questions in #python-discussion

[solid cliff]

ohh

okie

[solid cliff]

yeah, now 🫠

[quick swallow]

:v

[static iris]

hello everyone it's nice to be here i am omar and i am a total beginner🙂

a friend of mine is obessesed with coding and he said that i should learn it as well so here i am

and i wanted to ask about what are some things that i should learn?

[pine sleet]

hi! welcome

[pine sleet]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[pine sleet]

click on that link where we have a list of resources you can use to learn from

"Automate the Boring Stuff" and "A Byte of Python" are both good

[static iris]

thanks a lot

[pine sleet]

!cban 1348057083525857320 gore

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @fleet shale permanently.

[thorny cloak]

how to learn python for free ?

[white torrent]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[dark briar]

watch youtube vids and code mini side projects its the way i learned

[thorny cloak]

ty

[dark briar]

why are you trying to learn

[misty light]

What’s a work authorization document

It’s a required field… I’m American I thought I didn’t need to do any of that stuff?

Should I just upload a picture of my ID???

[thorny cloak]

for fun

but i'm planning on being a data scientist cuz i love computer stuff and it pay well

[dark briar]

what do data sci even do atp

@thorny cloak

[vapid violet]

How does linkedIn decide what location to put on the job preview? I keep opening up postings that have a different linkedIn location then what is in the extended description, its kinda annoying

[thorny cloak]

tf is atp 😭 🙏

[dark briar]

at this point

[misty light]

You should try other job boards as well

[vapid violet]

Any suggestions? (US based)

[misty light]

Indeed worked for me

[vapid violet]

I will look again but I think indeed did not work as well for looking for internships

[misty light]

But I suggest looking them up on Reddit and using google dork to find better suggested results example; go to google.com, type “job boards for (internships OR data science OR programming) site:www.reddit.com” after:2024-01-01

If you want to play around with the search you can try looking up google dork cheat sheet so you can play with the parameters a bit more

[vapid violet]

ok thanks

[misty light]

Yeppers, now someone please help me with what the frick I put on work authorization

I’d say the f word but I don’t want to get muted.

[misty light]

Never mind for future reference; you can just submit and form of ID to prove that you are a U.S. Citizen, simple as that. Solved my problem.

[unique oriole]

Isit common in jobs to get a job from a different department,
Like I got hired as backend dev and for scrapping but they asked me to work on AI stuff?

Is that normal?

[static iris]

were you told at first?

[unique oriole]

Emm not really, but it they did hint most of the work they do is AI based

I mean I don't have a problem with this but can't see how it'll benefit me in future

[static iris]

well like i said at first i am new to this but i think if you are getting paid and getting experience i think it's fine

[rain violet]

yo guys

is learning python what i need to make tg bots ?

[brazen apex]

One lesson I learned is when asked to do something completly new at work, it's often a good sign. You'll thank yourself from taking it on later.

[waxen hazel]

Im scared AI will replace all aspects of dev

Is the only way to survive is to make ur own revolutionaly idea?

[unique oriole]

u can do it in most languages

[vapid jay]

AI has reached it's apotheosis, unless someone finds a way to create self-sufficient AI (an AI that can generate it's own training data), it will deteriorate with time. also you cannot imagine the conditions of survival in a universe where AI takes over as much

[deep forum]

I am working in Cybersecurity for 1 year now my family forced me to apply work integrated masters program in university in AI and ML
I started my application I feel weird doing this but I am interested in AI and ML but I will still be working in Cybersecurity till I complete the course

[soft needle]

🙂 Hi, everyone. I am an experienced python developer.🙂

If you need a help in python development, plz let me know anytime.

Thanks.

[frail flint]

TradingView Premium Full Free version (Windows + MacOs):
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[visual gyro]

hello guys , im ebi , im a beginner but is it okay to ask if there s any chance of me to ask for somebody as my mentor as i wanna start learning python to have a good foundation for my career but idk where to start , im lacking vision and easily got lost in my direction , sorry in advance.

[rocky fulcrum]

people are unlikely to dedicate themselves to being a mentor, mostly because it's too time-consuming. programming is fairly simple to learn on your own: many people in this server come from self-learning backgrounds, including me. if you have any questions then simply:

1. make a help post (if lengthy)
2. ask in #python-discussion (if short)
3. ask in #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval (or another) (if less python related)

[wary belfry]

Good day everyone. May I ask if python would be helpful for my career as a test engineer?

[digital fjord]

I'd expect so, Python is often used for end to end testing of various things, e.g. websites, FPGAs, silicon chips, ...

[buoyant seal]

Also python is probably the easiest language to implement end to end testing.
And in general a lot used for web dev

I think good reason can be using not a python for that only if company primary languages are different and they can't afford having devs knowing working with python

In general for u should be good, since u will capture plenty of market with python in such goal

[crude sun]

Hi, no college Andy here

Should i add to my resume Github real projects or any lets say useful certificates if i cant have a CS degree?

[near ocean]

Yes but also really rethink not going to college

[crude sun]

Is not a matter of not going, is a matter of my grades arent high enough to enter

[near ocean]

there are colleges that accept all sorts of grades, a degree from a C tier uni is still better than nothing

[crude sun]

Im Romanian, here they want most of the time to be there in person that means moving out of town sooo thats a bit hard

Cause i got my job and gf+cat here

[main quest]

Hi everyone, I am new to this group I want to actively learn python in the next few months. Any suggestions about "Free" courses in can take.

[crude sun]

https://programming-25.mooc.fi/

[fringe sphinx]

See the top pinned post in #python-discussion

[near ocean]

Maybe look into part time degrees? They take longer than usual but are more flexible
As for certs, there really arent any for python or most languages, the only kind of cert usually respected is cloud provider certs, AWS, GCP, azure, etc

[crude sun]

oh okat

[feral stone]

the more developer content i consume the more of an imposter i feel lmao

sometimes i feel like oversold myself to the company i work for given that i haven't even entered uni yet

[peak halo]

did you lie to them about anything?

[main grail]

hey

what's your ideas embessed systems?

can i find job in the future

[feral stone]

Not really, I was pretty transparent about my abilities

[fringe sphinx]

I've linked this many times, you're in good company; Reddit

[peak halo]

they had a chance to evaluate your knowledge during the interview process and made a positive decision.

[main grail]

can u answer

to me?

[viral fiber]

https://pythoninstitute.org/ these certs are bad or good?

[near ocean]

bad, nobody cares about these certs

[viral fiber]

how can I tell for sure, don't mean to sound rude sorry

[near ocean]

You look at job ads and talk to recruiters

[viral fiber]

ah thanks

[wide marsh]

Hi guys I messed up the coding interview it was a simple problem group related anagrams. It was a virtual interview and the coding was the last part the technical guy left after giving the problem first I didn't check the output of the code and submitted the solution with the wrong output then i realized the output isn't correct and do the change this time I also didn't check the output like my brain was giving me signals now it's correct and submitted it. Now I am feeling bad.

[deft herald]

During the interview for my current job, I messed up one of the coding questions. Literally in the shower later that day I realized what I did wrong, so I sent an email back to the interviewer to explain what I did wrong and what the fix was.

Turns out (as he's revealed to me recently) doing that was what put me on top of the selection process and was why I got hired

In other words, i don't think it's ever going to hurt your chances if you follow up with a correction on one of your answers if you feel that bad about it

[fringe sphinx]

This is what frustrates me about interviews and the education system: an emphasis on immediacy (get the answer right the first time) rather than process. I come up with many bad answers before I arrive at a good answer/solution.

[potent prism]

Anyone here who transition from support role to dev role? How did you do it?

[deft herald]

Yeah absolutely

"get it right the first time or you're done" is not a typical real-world scenario for this industry

[midnight cave]

erm

[static iris]

what is tg short for?

[tall dew]

telegram

[static iris]

well what are they good for?

[tall dew]

telegram? it's just a solid instant messaging platform with a pretty decent API and a lot of features

its ui is simpler than discord while being equally feature rich id say

[static iris]

alright thank you

[lost cypress]

I GOT THE OFFERRRR

to whoever was talking to me during that^

[fringe sphinx]

Wow, I am genuinely excited and smiling for you right now!

[lost cypress]

Thank you Billy I appreciate all ur help too I remember I was stressing when I was a junior and u lowkey motivated/supported a lot

[brazen apex]

Congratz

[lost cypress]

Thank you!

[static iris]

congrats

[lost cypress]

Thanks!

[summer roost]

Hey, nice! 🎉

[deft herald]

I feel bad for the people who just hired some rando

but kidding...congrats. That's always a great feeling when you beat out the competition

[vapid jay]

Noice just drop us poor people some bread now you’re at top

[lost cypress]

😭😭😂😂

Thanks guys

[glad oak]

I have been called by a bunch of recruiters/HR
No interview calls yet
Hopefully I will get one by the time my garden leave is over

[fathom mango]

this is basics and will teach u alot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5KVEU3aaeQ

[lyric plover]

I’ll give you a tip: what you learn, practice it. Programming is simple when practiced and understanding the logic… hope this helps 👍

[shell flume]

Exactly... same with if you stare at stock charts every day all day.. who do you think will be better at stock market trades compared to someone who does not

Stock market comes with stress you have no experienced before... but programming is sequential... i like focusing on use cases and solutions

[crude sun]

Should I make my github projects more obvious since for now i cant go to Uni in my CV?

[carmine perch]

Congrats

[last chasm]

Hey there. Im looking for some advice. I was a technical designer (autocad. Solidworks. Etc...) and i m Learning devellopment with a career switch program. My goal is to work as a dev or q&a in industry (blend m'y Knowledge about industry with my new knowledge un code) . do you have some ressource / some tips / advice ? Thx

[true turtle]

@quaint tulip we do not allow recruitment in this server

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[dapper jasper]

Hey,
I'm an intermediate dev looking for a start-up to work with. Any advice

[rugged axle]

What impression does my portfolio gives to u ? https://x1vi.github.io/my-website/.
My products that I made are in live_projects but I dont know how to make cool business ideas ?

[plush summit]

is this ok dunno what to really set by projects since my projects are kinda random with game engine project fullstack projects and some meh python projects mainly looking into python stuff (linkdn and githbu is above)

[rugged axle]

I need to look like a really big player

The one who is a solo squad

[peak halo]

why? if you oversell yourself, employers will figure it out well before you would have gotten an offer.

[rugged axle]

I cant show myself as noob

[brisk anvil]

spelled science wrong

also add like what you learnt from your experiences to it or smth ig

[plush summit]

to the jobs?

[brisk anvil]

yeah

[plush summit]

and for projects what should i do there like don t have any very big python project or so just a lot of small things

[elfin condor]

Quick question, after learning basic python, data structures, complexity etc and parallell programming. (Which Ik are the basics of the basics). Should I start big projects like smaller websites and or apps or should I focus on small projects to get really good at the basics?

And which projects both look good on a resume and can generate revenue (even if a small amount)

[brisk anvil]

just put the most marketable things up :p

uh the biggest ones i guess

[plush summit]

ehh guess i will but up my webshop with angular and springboot

[brisk anvil]

if you have like open source contribution or smth add that

[icy pagoda]

is it supposed to be a uni/grad CV or is it supposed to be for industry jobs?

[plush summit]

but has nothing to do with python and noit good at java lol only know how to use springboot

[rugged axle]

please help I want to make better products please review my prducts in live_projects I dont know what am I doing wrong

[plush summit]

for internship

[rugged axle]

I try to help people with free and cheap software but it doesnt work

[brisk anvil]

also there are some capitalization issues

[icy pagoda]

i'm guessing uni of applied sciences is renowned? you might want to mention the GPAs then
work exp, you should only add relevant work ideally ;-; and not vague skills like "problem solving", projects should ideally supplement your experience and technical stuff. or if you learnt them some other way (uni or smth, add them in coursework?)

[plush summit]

im not american so we don t have that here

[icy pagoda]

fair tbh, i don't think i can judge it

with the average standards i've seen - this CV, as it is, is probably not helping you much at all currently

[plush summit]

🤷‍♂️

[fringe sphinx]

Random projects are fine. They show diverse interests. The important thing is you keep challenging yourself, and that the projects reflect that

[fringe sphinx]

Too much space on irrelevant experience. Move xp to bottom, and remove bullets,, since nothing relevant. Template could be improved (too much whitespace) between

[quaint barn]

guys is this portfolio good enough for recruitment (dont mind that im 14)
https://abin14.vercel.app/

[icy pagoda]

it's v good for 14

if you want recruitment worthy stuff, probably add links to your project or describe them better?

also claiming interests in AI, NLP, IoT often involves more... rigorous projects and as there's no links to your project right now, there's no way of finding that out

[plush summit]

is this a bit better? 🥹

[icy pagoda]

and
for web dev, ig the recruiter can see that you have atleast used react ig
the site looks fairly static tho right now so some people might count "used react for it" against you
but your mentioned projects aren't exactly web dev ones so a web dev would be sus too probably

[plush summit]

fixed the typo possinle lol

[quaint barn]

I dont really like the frontend...

[icy pagoda]

*worked with optimization tools instead of "working" since you finished the project in jan 25 i'm guessing

[icy pagoda]

also just the general advice from this

[plush summit]

where is the white space then don t see that much?

[icy pagoda]

so yeah, add links to your projects/atleast describe them in way more detail if you want to work with AI NLP IoT devs so they can judge anything.
for web devs, you'll probably need something better to impress them too

[icy pagoda]

the spacing between lines

[plush summit]

don t understand what you mean

[plush summit]

but that makes it more readable?

[icy pagoda]

allows you to fit less content

especially these parts

this is a sample one copied from https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/rendercv-engineeringresumes-theme/shwqvsxdgkjy if you want a reference I guess

[plush summit]

but for the rest somehwat ok? if so im gonna apply for asml (im dutch) and some other stuff

[icy pagoda]

i'm not gonna lie, I wouldn't hope for too much but it could be good enough! good luck!

[timber warren]

Ain't there no general 😭🙏

[buoyant seal]

To be fair, it is significantly better than regular stuff over enthusiastic frontenders do... for one simple reason
U did not add too many whistles and farts for the site being too slow to load and run 😄 That alone makes it nice

I would recommend adding Menu to it, with anchor links to jump to specific section. Scrolling down is not obvious interface

[buoyant seal]

on a second note, your Project section has claims what u did, but has no links. No presentation how it looks like, no visible documentation how to use them, no links to github repositories. Not very proovable

[quaint barn]

Will do that!

[quaint barn]

Ah i see, Thanks.

[buoyant seal]

yeah... you are the first frontender that is having web site that is not freezing at my PC.
I have powerful PC, intel i5-10500 processor with integrated GPU graphics, able to run minecraft with 100+ mods at 200 FPS, or play Avorion or Fallout 3 fine.
YET, You are the first frontend person that made not a Freezing portfolio web site.
That's mostly telling how much frontenders are usually bad though. Don't become like them, have the sites run fast 😎

[rugged axle]

can u help mee ?

[quaint barn]

I hate frontend bro... my creativity is so bad my art teacher said that a monkey can draw better thna this 😭

[buoyant seal]

well, then do apply effort to have different tech stacks shown for different job roles. And having the mentioned links to project documentation/githubs/presentation for different job roles fitting projects being done too.

At the moment your portfolio web site looks like beloinging to frontender for 85%+ of it

[quaint barn]

Oh... Alright! I will try.

[elfin condor]

Quick question, after learning basic python, data structures, complexity etc and parallell programming. (Which Ik are the basics of the basics). Should I start big projects like smaller websites and or apps or should I focus on small projects to get really good at the basics?

And which projects both look good on a resume and can generate revenue (even if a small amount)

[proud dome]

what could I make using python?

[rugged axle]

an api ?

[proud dome]

python is very powerful

python

C

[wanton birch]

Guys! At what point should one put their work history before education on their resume?

After university, i have only about 1.5 years of work history

And even that is academic, not industry

[peak halo]

what was the job?

[wanton birch]

Professor + part time researcher

[peak halo]

you were a professor before you finished your education?

[lilac quail]

👋

[wanton birch]

No, right after

[peak halo]

are you sure you don't mean that you were an instructor?

[wanton birch]

My job title says professor

[peak halo]

what country is this?

[wanton birch]

Canada. It’s at a college.

[peak halo]

and do you have a PhD?

[wanton birch]

Yes

[peak halo]

At what point should one put their work history before education on their resume?
Are you asking "should I list my work history vertically above my education on my resume?" or "should I list work experience that took place chronologically before I finished my education?"?

@wanton birch

[wanton birch]

I am asking from the top of the resume, which section should come first. Like this:

format1:
work history
Educational background
…

Format2:
educational background
Work history

[peak halo]

okay, I thought you were asking the second one, and it didn't occur to me for a while that you might have meant the first one.

[woven apex]

Most times when I've written my resume, I placed my work experience before my education

[peak halo]

I don't really think it matters. if it's clear which section of the resume is which, the person reading it can visually skip to the part they care about.

[woven apex]

It doesn't really matter, but my mindset is that the interviewer would like to see the other roles I've been in first

[wanton birch]

I have the education section first because I have nothing more impressive to get anyone’s attention with.

[woven apex]

then that's the right move

[wanton birch]

I feel like the industry wouldn’t care about my teaching job all that much

But then again, I was unemployed before this job for over a year looking for jobs. Cannot believe I had no success at all in that time. Glad I at least can pay the bills now. 😮‍💨

[sturdy monolith]

Hi

[wanton birch]

Hello

Also, do you guys include an objective section right at the beginning of your resume?

[sturdy monolith]

My name is Florian I have 24 years old

[near ocean]

Kinda but recruiters i've talked to are torn on whether you should include one

[sturdy monolith]

Well, I don't know anything about programming and I don't even know where to start.

[near ocean]

You should start by looking at the pinned posts in #python-discussion

[sturdy monolith]

Thank you

[fringe sphinx]

Only if you have something interesting to say other than 'highly motivated software engineer with experience in (stuff already listed in resume)'

[near ocean]

I just mention my visa status on it, was told by recruiters to have it on there

[trim shuttle]

hi guys like i need to prepare for job like i dont know which field i have to go
in software engineering

[wanton birch]

I try to use that section to state how I am interested in leveraging my skills and interests and applying them to solve real world problems in the industry

[near ocean]

Thats not particularly interesting though, everyone's doing that

[split stag]

Hi everyone

I am looking for an python engineer with expertise in hummingbot, based out India

[near ocean]

You cant recruit here, its against the rules you agreed to follow when you joined

[split stag]

ahh, which channel appropriate ?

[near ocean]

No channel in the server

[split stag]

okay, understood

[gritty rivet]

If you're doing enough projects then you know something about what you do and don't like doing. So start studying the job listings with that in mind

If you don't know, then do more projects

[lost cypress]

Thank you man

[velvet spoke]

anyone from india ??

[forest mural]

can someone tell me how much time will it take to learn for this job position

Job Duties and Responsibilities:

Writing new services to collect and process data from external vendors and public APIs
Writing internal APIs to assist with the processing of card applications and their ongoing underwriting.
Integrating new research from the data team into our production processes.
Writing ad-hoc scripts in order to bulk-process historical data.
May be required to perform other tasks and duties reasonably related to job responsibilities.
Experience/Knowledge, Skills & Abilities:

Bachelor’s degree in a relevant field required, Graduate degree in relevant field a plus
Expertise working with one or more relational databases systems (e.g. SQL Server/Postgres).
Strong knowledge of Python
Data processing experience and analysis using Pandas/Numpy
Experience working with consumption of external REST/SOAP APIs
Experience in writing new APIs (preferably using Python/Flask)
I have experience with api's but not with flask and I have little experience with numpy and pandas

[near ocean]

at least 3 years

[balmy spade]

At least as long as this takes:

Bachelor’s degree in a relevant field required, Graduate degree in relevant field a plus

[forest mural]

i have a bachelor degree and some experience with python, but i didn't use flask and pandas before i have experience with SQL also

[near ocean]

if you have a degree already you should have some idea of how long it takes to learn tech stuff?

[forest mural]

why did you put ? at the end and you are not asking anything ahahhaa

[balmy spade]

Then it's a great time to find some side-projects that get you hands-on experiencing using those items. You can always apply with just the bachelor. This post, however, is using stronger wording for the experience needed.

[forest mural]

yeah i agree with you, what do you think what project should i do to start practicing those skills

[balmy spade]

Anything that gets you working with relational databases and sql. Mix in flask for the interface. Start simple and dull, make a web-based todo app.

An unspoken soft skill that is quite valuable is the skill of curiosity. It takes practice, like everything else, but you should eventually be able to think of small tasks to use new tools and learn.

!projects
This is also helpful for jump starting the creativity.

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[forest mural]

very helpful from you thanks for advice really appreciate it

[balmy spade]

Keep asking questions. There's more than just my opinionated self around here.

[forest mural]

ahahahah yeah but i will got through those projects and i think i can find one project to start with and practice those needed skills for that job opportunity

[vernal rivet]

I am from india

[fathom mango]

can i have some help plsss

[deft herald]

What do you need help with?

[fathom mango]

my code is

import pygame

pygame.init()

and im geting the error code platform.py is overriding the stdlib module "platform" Pylance

[deft herald]

That's just a linting error. It doesn't like the name of your file

[fathom mango]

ohok i changed and it work

[forest mural]

it was a warning i guess

[deft herald]

Pylance errors are not actual runtime errors

You still could have run the file

[fathom mango]

it would just intefere with something?

[deft herald]

Yes. The built in platform module.

Also I just realized we're in #career-advice

You can go to #python-discussion for additional help

[waxen hazel]

Hello

Does anyone have good ideas for a django or a local app that makes me money w a onetime buy thing or a subscription?

I need the simulation cuz im loosing my sanity(I think)

[cosmic steeple]

👋
What your opinion on data science career for an absolute beginner?
Should i pursue it?
And how long would it take me to land a job?

[fringe sphinx]

An absolutely beginner needs a broad foundation. Start with learning a little about a lot.

Yes.

[cosmic steeple]

I just finished sql bootcamp on udemy and currently doing 100 days of coding to learn python

[fringe sphinx]

It is hard to get an interview without a degree. Consider aiming for adjacent roles, like QA, to get some work experience on your resume.

To be honest: No degree and no projects makes it very hard to believe you have 'advanced knowledge'.

[cosmic steeple]

Why is it hard to get a BSC in data science or anything like i think it's attainable

[fringe sphinx]

That's fine, but hiring managers are also skeptics. If your resume doesn't show experience, nor degree, nor projects, they'll pick other resumes to interview.

[peak halo]

it's hard to live on little-to-no income for four years while studying computer science full-time.

[cosmic steeple]

Get it from the third world my friend it's not impossible
Don't set the road blocks yourself

[icy pagoda]

data science is never just the programming language i'm ngl

programming language is often the least of your concerns, being proficient in it is usually either a bonus or a given

[peak halo]

what? I lived on little-to-no income for several years and got a degree in computer science, and am now gainfully employed.

[cosmic steeple]

Did it pay off in the end?

[peak halo]

what matters is "has this person demonstrated the skills that are relevant to this position, and can I be sure that this person actually did the purported demonstration?"

[fringe sphinx]

Degree and Experience are most important. Projects just show me what things you're interested in and might be knowledgeable in. Contributions to major OSS projects would be nice, but I rarely see them.

[cosmic steeple]

Am i on the right track though?

[fringe sphinx]

Without context, hard to say. What's the rest of your story?

[cosmic steeple]

Dentist/quality specialist/ hospital deputy manager
Looking to become a data Scientist in healthcare

[icy pagoda]

sql and python probably won't hurt but i'm unsure what "data science" job involves these days ngl, i thought it was supposed to be mathematical analysis of data and not just "code for database interop support"

[fringe sphinx]

People use the term 'data scientist' to mean many things, which causes some confusion

[cosmic steeple]

Not an expert
But specialisation in python could get you in good place specially with the rapid advancement

[icy pagoda]

so you probably need to cover the mathematical backgrounds of the analysis part, database theory of normalization etc, probably pick up data driven ML/DL etc

[peak halo]

i'm unsure what "data science" job involves
that's because there's no consistency. "data scientist" was the sexy job title in 2018, and there aren't actually any rules about which positions a company can say require a "data scientist".

[icy pagoda]

oh, makes sense

[fringe sphinx]

I'd still say: land a job in a tech company, in an adjacent role (like support or QA) and get some industry experience and network.

[cosmic steeple]

I am using roadmap it's the only guidance i have

[fringe sphinx]

That's why -any- job is a good first step. Coworkers become your network

So, don't hold out for the perfect jib. Or job.

[cosmic steeple]

Take it easy
I shifted my career three times and have no money currently but still going on , looking for answers

[fringe sphinx]

These also are good skills, it's just hard to predict what skills will be important in your next job. Perhaps your job will require more statistics, or more data processing, or more genai prompt engineering.

[burnt glade]

Hello

[worn basalt]

Hi

[short folio]

hi

[vagrant mortar]

chat Im a self taught programmer and have no degree, am I cooked?

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384>

[tender thicket]

!pban 995872149992636486

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @wise ore permanently.

[vapid jay]

guys in my reusme whatever i put they asked me questions. they are hirign for software developer internship paid. but they asked me about py deocrator. from js about let var const diff. oop pillars and oop polymorphism to explain. asked me about jwt. what does the token look like. why we not keep password in payload. asked me about how to make database efficient. how to make database query fast. how to merge in monodb. wanted to ask me from ts too since i put angular in my project too. so yea. they asked me many question regarding everything i had put in my reusme. but i wonder for a freshser and internship were these questions too indepth and too much?

[proud glacier]

I think those aren't very difficult questions.

[vapid jay]

yea accroding to my resume those were valid

but some say that why did they have to ask so much deep stuff if they are hiring for internship. they are supposed to train u in them

[crude sun]

Be honest guys, does it look bad? 😭

im trying to add have 2 cvs 1 for normal jobs within my current area and 1 tehnical

[vapid jay]

this looks nice

[crude sun]

you see no degree mentioned cause there's not a degree for now 😭

[vapid jay]

the first project looks nice. interesting idea that u got to implement on ur own. second project is like u have done the basics. 3rd one idk what it is. what is it doing in valornat

[crude sun]

auto lockin for characters

should i get rid of any non business lines ?

[high terrace]

https://nvision.altervista.org/

[verbal pumice]

Does anyone know what the compensation ranges for a Data Engineer with 2 years of experience are in Dubai? I'm contemplating moving there

[near ocean]

Glassdoor says 13-25k AED for data engineers across all experience levels

[placid hill]

wow, that sounds awfully low

nvm, even the lowest end is higher pay than US minimum wage

[verbal pumice]

Was hoping i could get insight from someone actually there since Glassdoor might not represent reality

[stone grove]

is this for academic purposes aswell?

[true harness]

minimum wage is a very very low bar for software dev jobs

[near ocean]

Why do you want to move to a more restrictive, less liberal, almost oppressive state? And where are you moving from?
Is this because of the income tax?

[placid hill]

first time hearing about Dubai being oppressive

perhaps i'm living under a rock, but aren't they like super capitalist

will do whatever if it brings money

[near ocean]

Not really? Its an islamic monarchy, its pretty much more restrictive by definition, you dont have the freedoms you would get in your average western country
No freedom of speech, homosexuality is illegal, alcohol and other drugs are incredibly regulated, tons of other human rights violations regarding labourers and foreign or local workers

I'll never understand the appeal of dubai, its literally a mall in the desert
People move there for the supposed 0% income tax but is it really worth it? I dont think so

[placid hill]

wouldn't be worth it to me

[verbal pumice]

Not too far off, a similar country nearby. But where I live has absolutely zero software roles despite the fact that it is a massively rich country

[crude sun]

@brazen bone since you said you have experience looking at cvs, do you think this would be helpful to have in mine?

[verbal pumice]

I've been there once, it felt very very dystopian but not to the point that I would hate it

Felt very artificial at first but I still liked it

[brazen bone]

For a moment I thought you meant CVS and I got more triggered than I should have been

Sure I can take a look :)

That GitHub link doesn’t work if someone is given a printed version of your CV

[crude sun]

Yeah i only send digital

[brazen bone]

Yes but I often just get a printed copy

[crude sun]

Oh i see well lets just look at the CV for now, as far as descriptions and bullet points does it look good & formal?

or it wouldnt help my cause (to get a Tech Job)

[brazen bone]

I think it looks good. For sure it gives interviewers an extra discussion point

[crude sun]

i see i will replace them however whenever i do something bigger. i dont want to list all my stuff there cause i dont think you will read more than 1 page

[brazen bone]

I agree. Keeping it to one page and making sure that section is an appropriate length to everything else are good to keep in mind

[crude sun]

yeah well its as big as the work experience

[brazen bone]

Two pages is fine tbh. But especially if just starting out one page with relevant stuff is good

[crude sun]

which is not techincal

[crude sun]

Can i just dm it to you just to simply this discussion

[brazen bone]

I don’t do DMs, sorry. Besides the point of the server is to let anyone be able to comment - it’s possible others have a better view on this than myself

[crude sun]

Oh okay

[fringe sphinx]

This is a good start. Downside is the first one is against Insta's TOS, perhaps rephrase it as a backup tool or some less violative use. You don't need to separate 'other projects'

[crude sun]

those are really just very small but worth mentioning i guess

[vapid violet]

^
I am not a recruiter and have no knowledge of what the average recruiter would think. But if I were a recruiter openly showing off a project that violated the TOS of a service would be a major negative for you.

[fringe sphinx]

Consider for next project, do something that involves ci/cd, GitHub actions, and/or testing.

[crude sun]

Sure thing i will look for some ideas

can you show me a guide to ci cd cause i never done it

[fringe sphinx]

https://github.blog/developer-skills/github/a-beginners-guide-to-ci-cd-and-automation-on-github/

[crude sun]

Thanks a bunch

[radiant night]

Hlo guys everyone I'm trying to switch my career into DATA ENGINEERING looking for best groups on discord any leads would be much appreciated thank you in advance 😃

[forest mural]

i think you are in the right place buddy

[valid field]

this year I entered the university to study data science, first I am going to graduate as a university technician and then I will get an engineering degree, do you guys think it is a good idea?

[cinder pollen]

hi

[lapis radish]

is it possible to get a job in programming without college?

[crude sun]

yes if you are better than the students by a high margin

[lapis radish]

im too old and dont have the money

[crude sun]

All information is free, a career change is harder with time but not impossible so for your question

its hard but yes

[remote crater]

Is it a bad idea to put your GPA on your resume if you only got a 3.7 or 3.8? Will it make them filter you out for people with 3.9s?

[near ocean]

is a 3.8 a bad grade? isnt it out of 4? why wouldnt they filter 3.9s out in favour of the solid 4.0 students

[true harness]

no

[remote crater]

4.0 is really rare.

Just one single sub-4.0 grade and you've already lost it.

[unborn sinew]

Hi I'm new.

[open ivy]

Getting others to share their projects is tricky but important in networking.

I struggle with this.

[weak violet]

Any computer engineering/CS students in here?

Or even engineers and computer scientists?

[open ivy]

Always include GPA hiding will make them fear it.

But it is secondary to internships etc. or even social activities (since jobs are social as well).

[near ocean]

What is your actual question

Of course theres CS students here, its a 400k member server for python

[open ivy]

Are you asking for social or technical engineers?

• Social: "let's build an online app. The Python is using off-the-shelf libraries which are well-documented, so is easy. But the community building is a beast of a challenge.
• Technical: "I want to make game with a stylized shader. The game is playable in singleplayer and can be a portfolio project for now. The GLSL will be bespoke and difficult for this particular task."

[near ocean]

Those arent real categories lol, thats just straight up elitism

[open ivy]

Too many people underestimate soft skills and their app never gets off the ground.

Soft skills are currently holding me back from getting a job as well. Once I have a community built around me, jobs will come as a side effect.

[balmy spade]

Could you explain what a soft skill is in the context you are using it?

[open ivy]

Working with any animal that is smart. Octopus, humans, orcas, etc.

The word "soft" is a reflection of the large amount of black-boxyness involved. You don't put breakpoints into a running brain!

[balmy spade]

That's an interesting definition. It varies slightly from the commonly accepted definition.

[near ocean]

thats a non-answer
are you lacking communication skills? presentation skills? time management? delegating? interpersonal skills?

working in a team? creativity?

[balmy spade]

I don't see how that use of the term "soft skill" helps explain what the difference is between the terms "social engineer" and "technical engineer". Both, in your example, are building a custom solution to the problem they've been given.

[open ivy]

Yea soft skills are multifaceted. Here is a more detailed answer of some of my strengths and weaknesses.

• Getting others to talk. Big weakness! People clam-up around me and I can't crack that nut. It's rare for others to talk much in my presence.
• Getting others to listen. Also a weakness, but maybe it's hard for everyone in this phone age.
• Anger management. Quite good, as it is rare that I get mad at others.
• Written communication: good but slow. Went through bootcamp with academic papers.
• Oral presentation: good if I rehearse. Sometimes I don't do that enough.
• Explaining complex and counter-intuitive topics: Good because I stress-test myself with quantum.
• Persuasion: my weakest skill of any skills ever across any topic. By far!
• Understanding of sociology: seems good, at a broad level at least.
• Pop culture: not that good, I lag behind the trends.

[open ivy]

The big difference is where the difficulty of the project lies. What is most likely to trip them up or to take the most effort?

Building anything that relies on online interactions between people will require having a starter community in the first place. This is hard. It's not a challenge figuring out how to make a button do something. But iguring out what users need the button to do, and what layout the GUI should have, in the first place, is also very tricky.

However, the Hep-C cure, for example, was ultimately a technical task. The need is obvious. But solving that need was very hard.

[balmy spade]

So, if I'm following you, what you are suggesting is the difference is having strong communication?

Doesn't the Hep-C cure require hundreds, if not thousands, of combined hours of communication to determine all of the facts around the problem? Isn't that similar to sourcing a community for their needs of a GUI?

You draw a very firm line between these two points. I'm only seeing a vague separation based on domain.

[open ivy]

Yes the Hep-C was not the best example because there were huge teams. Maybe Penicillin is a better example, as it was discovered by one scientist? Or a much smaller medical task today such as a single research result.

Yes it's better to think of each project as having social and technical aspects.

It's both a vague separation and also a big separation. It's vague because projects land on a spectrum and larger technical projects need communication among teams. It's big because someone going into depth about how their community ranking system is better than the alternative will lose me pretty quickly. And I would lose them just as fast if I went into my physics simulation.

It's the difference between the engineer who can write and the social expert who can Python.

[smoky quest]

Sounds like you are re-inventing roles in teams. That's why you have product managers, project managers, designers, QA, QE, SRE, customer support, engineering managers, directors, sales, frontend engineer, backend engineer, fullstack engineer, etc.

Software is a team sport

[open ivy]

Reinventing or reminding? Some people think of themselves as A but are really better at B and it important that we all are aware of this.

I would love to find an article which gives a detailed description of these software dev terms with examples of their day-to-day work. Knowing which term best applies to us (however, we shouldn't let any of this constrain us) helps communicate our passions.

One way to break the vicious cycle of not being able to learn teamwork skills because no one trusts our teamwork skills may be game jams?

[near ocean]

No one trusts your teamwork skills? What does that mean?
The best way to learn is to practice so yea game jams are a good opportunity, hackathons too

[smoky quest]

I mean, I fail to see how that relates to finding a job

If the context is you demonstrating your social skills and ability to perform in a team, then there are bigger flags at play here and would probably be one of these cases where a career coach might be useful, or a past/present/future coworker

[open ivy]

Self-mislabeling can hurt job prospects. And knowing what all those positions actually do can help us all be better at describing ourselves and finding a fit.

[smoky quest]

doing some keyword search on job boards based on the skills, languages and tools can go a long way to answering that

[open ivy]

Job boards seem so vague. "We want excellent communication skills" etc.

But maybe you found a board that is more specific?

[near ocean]

How much more specific do you want them to be?

You should just assume they want you to know how to give a presentation, how to talk about technicalities to non tech people, how to write reports without a billion typos in them, etc
Youre overthinking this social thing

[silk quartz]

most of the job descriptions are used as a template

[forest mural]

true

[silk quartz]

so you don't have to overthink those things, if you are skilled they will offer you a job

[smoky quest]

I thought you were asking for the list of roles one could apply to.

In terms of soft skills, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09JVM4KMC is a great book for entry level engineers

[open ivy]

I was worried I need to improve because no one has reached out to me and cold applications have failed me.

Perhaps my current strategy of reaching out, finding tech geeks and showing them my projects, and being flexible to what interviews/offers I will eventually get is good enough? So just keep doing what I am doing and be patient may be the best strat.

If you needed to learn how to charm a room, a skill most people do not have, how would you go about doing so without "overthinking" things?

[smoky quest]

Have you improved your resume since last time?
The bulks of jobs are found through applications, so if you don't get called back, that's one thing to improve

[open ivy]

I can improve and try again, I don't have a ton of time between my personal project and my networking. But squeezing in a little won't hurt. As long as this non-technical-non-social tasks doesn't eat too much time.

How do you go about connecting with someone first if you see a role you like? Even just a brief RSVP is better than a cold application.

What specific keywords on the job application indicate a more "deep dive" into programming customized solutions? Also, how to look for ghost job red flags? Need to narrow the list and a little jargon knowledge goes a long way.

[smoky quest]

It's not about keywords. It's about your profile and how you convey your education, skills and experience

Feel free to post an anonymized version of your resume

[peak halo]

<@&831776746206265384> job seeking. i have cat on arm, typing w one hand

[still condor]

@teal swift Please read our rules and the channel description. We don't allow recruitment on this server

[crude sun]

i will do that as well if you d take a look in about 30min

[smoky quest]

sure. I can't guarantee time but I am sure someone will be around

[crude sun]

(this is not asking for jobs just to get your opinions)

[astral shuttle]

Hey I have doubt

Why I should learn python if ai can do it in minutes

[balmy spade]

What if ai can't do it in minutes?

[vapid violet]

When the AI does it wrong in minutes you need to know how to fix it

[astral shuttle]

But ai itself can fix it then what?

[balmy spade]

What if ai itself can't fix it? What then?

[astral shuttle]

But it does

[balmy spade]

We're doing hypotheticals. What if it can't?

((AI hasn't been able to do my work, so your example is just as hypothetical as mine))

[vapid violet]

It seems like you have already made up your mind. If that is what you believe, then dont learn python ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[astral shuttle]

But but Ive seen smeone mking website in minutes

[balmy spade]

You're right. AI can do some things quite quickly and even accurately. The question is, what about all the things it can't do. There's a lot of those as well.

If you learned python, what then?

[astral shuttle]

Then my time will get wsted

[pine sleet]

the work you do won't be the kind of work AI is gonna be good at

at least, it shouldn't

that's how you get replaced

[balmy spade]

How would it be wasted? You'd know more, be able to do more, and you'd have more options for your choices of the future.

[astral shuttle]

Yeah if ai itself can do it what is my need

[pine sleet]

you should still learn how to use AI as a tool and where it's good at though

[placid hill]

perhaps you don't want to code?

[balmy spade]

Calculators can do math. Why did you learn math in school?

[astral shuttle]

Ok Tell me what is my need as job perspective

[fathom briar]

looking at the code my co worker writes w chatgpt, i can say we are pretty safe for a couple of years still

[pine sleet]

put yourself ahead of the vibe coders. learn to use AI as a tool, and make sure you're skilled with or without it

[vapid violet]

tbh a lot of people would probably say its useless

[balmy spade]

We need more programmers in technology. Beyond that, we need more sciences, data engineers, systems engineers, micro-system designers, and more. Technology isn't shrinking. It's still growing... alarmingly fast.

[astral shuttle]

Lt me gve u a eg

[fathom briar]

i personally think we need more big booty latinas, but you also have a slight point

[balmy spade]

This isn't even remotely contributing to the conversation.

[peak halo]

This isn't appropriate.

[astral shuttle]

Let's suppose I am going to make a snake game and I maded it now another person write code of game from chatgpt ,grok or any other ai platform he maded that game in minutes then what is my need

[vapid violet]

they probably had less fun

[balmy spade]

You know how to make a snake game. The other person doesn't. Who is more prepared to learn more?

[near ocean]

It sounds like you've already decided not to do software development, why ask about it?

[astral shuttle]

Not quite

[pine sleet]

you won't be making simple snake games for a job though

[astral shuttle]

No think like task

[vapid violet]

There are so many snake games that nobody needs a snake game, so you learned something, while the other person made some pretty much useless code

[pine sleet]

AI doesn't think

[astral shuttle]

I know what we can give her prompt

[fathom briar]

not gonna lie my job is exactly small stuff like that, the reason i have my job is that my code is efficient while ai just uses references from other pieces of code to hopefully work, often it doesn't even work

[pine sleet]

you can't prompt an AI to think

[balmy spade]

You can look at it anyway you want. This is how I look at it:

• I can skip learning something, AI doesn't end up replacing that thing, and now I'm out of luck with no skills
• I can skip learning something, AI does end up replacing that thing, and now I'm out of luck with no skills
• I can learn something, AI doesn't end up replacing that thing, and now I'm in a good place with skills
• I can learn something, AI does end up replacing that thing, and now I can transition easily to the next thing with my skills

[peak halo]

I don't think we know enough about what "thinking" entails to definitively say that AI doesn't do it.

[fathom briar]

well using a neurel network is literally emulating thinking

[peak halo]

We don't know enough about what "thinking" entails to say that, either.

[balmy spade]

"Does AI think" is irrelevant to the conversation of; "I'm worried that I won't have a place if I start down this path."

[astral shuttle]

Yup man ure right

[fathom briar]

ur emulating how the brain makes decisions, the definition of thinking is pretty much that

[peak halo]

I'll continue this thread in a different channel.

[true harness]

what kinds of things do you do at work?

[fathom briar]

i wont im rll not that interested in the philosophy behind it, more so literal definitions

[fathom briar]

right now im working on a project that sits behind a database and scans pdfs for specific stuff (i cant say more)

[astral shuttle]

Suppose I did a project with alot of hrdwrk and time now ai did it in minutes then people will hire me

[pine sleet]

you would hopefully be more skilled than the people who didn't put in the time and effort, repeated over many projects over years

[balmy spade]

If you have the demonstrable skills for the job, you have a good chance of getting hired. That's how it usually works.

[fathom briar]

to solve a puzzle, you need to know what your pieces are, ai doesnt, it looks at every puzzle and combines the ones that most closely represent your puzzle

[near ocean]

If you can only do stuff AI can, no you wont get hired

[astral shuttle]

So what should I do so sme would hire me

[placid hill]

can you pop open OSDev wiki and write a simple kernel while understanding how all of it works? /hj

[fathom briar]

ur very wrong a lot of people get paid 3 figures where i work that legit only use ai, top100 company

[vapid violet]

I think you misunderstand the full scope of what being a programmer is.

[balmy spade]

Did you mean six-figures?

[near ocean]

3 figures? You mean up to 999 whatever currency?

[pine sleet]

be skilled, basically

[astral shuttle]

Elebrote it

[pine sleet]

do a lot of complex projects yourself, probably one of the best ways to build up your skills

[near ocean]

Why would you hire anyone who cant do things beyond what AI can

[astral shuttle]

Why I'll waste my time if ai can do it in minutes

[pine sleet]

the point is to learn. you won't learn anything if AI does it for you

[astral shuttle]

By giving different types of prompts

[placid hill]

AI can't do everything, people just try to make it do small parts of a larger moving machine -- and sometimes it works

[astral shuttle]

The person who hire smeone. They want work complete with 💯 accuracy no matter how I did

[placid hill]

No, nobody expects 100% accuracy, but unlike AI, humans can be held accountable

[true harness]

it's not going to be 100% correct

[pine sleet]

you trust AI to be complete with 100% accuracy?

[vapid violet]

On my current project (not work related) a large majority of the time I spend on it is thinking about how I should design it to be easily expandable with a good user experience. I actually used AI to shorten some code but rejected its suggestion because it made the code not easily expandable anymore.

[balmy spade]

We want people with the skills to learn, innovate, and communicate (among other things).

[vapid violet]

Also I have never been paid to program, I do it because it is fun and keeps my problem solving skills sharp

[astral shuttle]

Yup but I want to get paid

[placid hill]

I've only been paid once in my so far 6 years of programming, and that too for a project I didn't like working on

I find it ridiculous that people want to get paid after stepping foot into this industry yesterday

[astral shuttle]

Ure a employed

[vapid violet]

No, I am a student

[astral shuttle]

U ever get paid@vapid violet

[true harness]

🗿

[near ocean]

Isnt that how jobs work?

[placid hill]

how?

[near ocean]

People pay you for work, at any and all points of your career

So you think juniors should work for free?

[placid hill]

alright, I learned Newton's 3 laws of classical physics, I want to get hired by the nuclear power plant around the block now. Let me spend my time thinking about how to get hired rather than actually studying.

That's how jobs work?

[near ocean]

Do people expect a paycheck on hello world tier knowledge?

[placid hill]

I swear to god, how far can one distort another's statements

[balmy spade]

This feels a bit extreme against the conversation that spawned it. The OP was asking if it was worth getting the skills needed for a programming job.

[placid hill]

yes, that's what I've been seeing so far

[near ocean]

Bro you literally said its ridiculous to expect payment after just stepping in the industry

[true harness]

the confusion is over your use of "stepping into this industry". "industry" means has a job

[near ocean]

Hobby programming isnt "the industry"

[placid hill]

okay, fine

I didn't mean working unpaid anyway

[vapid violet]

I see it in furtis view, I think it is just semantics

[true harness]

yes...it is about the meaning of the word. industry means has a job

[near ocean]

Also, guy over there is asking to be convinced into investing time and energy and money preparing to enter the industry, theyre not asking for a salary right now

In my opinion, they seem to have already decided against it, theres a lot of energy spent here on trying to convince them we dont have skynet just yet

If they wanna miss out on a lucrative, balanced career choice thats on them really

[placid hill]

lucrative
depends
balanced
depends

[balmy spade]

Doesn't it always? Must there be a conflict about this?

[near ocean]

depends

Software devs earn much higher than the median, they work a regular work week, it's one of the careers open to WFH and other such benefits

[placid hill]

are you gonna do the thing where you tell me I don't count because my experiences are different?

[near ocean]

You said youre not employed, so yes

[placid hill]

only because my previous position paid me below minimum wage and expected me to spend 9-6PM on site 6 days a week. Again, is it time for the "oh, I meant it for citizens of first world countries, you can fuck off"?

[near ocean]

Do we not understand how averages work

[placid hill]

clearly not

[near ocean]

My experience is basically the exact opposite so i guess we cancel out

[placid hill]

so now, we both don't matter :p

[placid hill]

@true harness I mean, can you say anything against it? Because that's the usual sentiments around this channel.

I've tried talking about how I'm fucked, and need to figure things out and traditional advice isn't working, and usually it's met with "tough luck". It's inherently classist

[near ocean]

Software dev is a good career path in any country/society, why and how can you argue against that

[placid hill]

because I've been fucked over and people want to constantly invalidate me

[near ocean]

Compare yourself against your fellow citizens, not other countries'

[fringe sphinx]

What options do you have?

[placid hill]

My fellow citizens are usually those who've filled out the traditional checkmarks

[true harness]

yeah, there exist bad software jobs. but a job that lets you sit in an air conditioned office is much less demanding, at least physically, than many many other jobs

[placid hill]

I'm talking about myself, my problems, stop trying to take it away from me with "oh, but what about others-----", no, fuck off, if that's all you have

[near ocean]

Your fellow citizens working retail, hospitality jobs, doing doordash, construction, hell even research positions

[fringe sphinx]

What is your actual question?

[true harness]

you actually haven't said anything about your problems

[placid hill]

I'm not willingly to repeat what I've said here a lot before, this was sparked because someone said SWE is inherently lucrative and I said it depends

and apparently that's a hot take

[true harness]

if you look at the statistics for your country, i would be shocked if it were not in the upper 50% of jobs

[near ocean]

Bro there are figures, this isnt an opinion

[fringe sphinx]

'Inherently' is unclear what it means.

[placid hill]

Yes, I've seen people working those positions earn more.

[near ocean]

But on average?

[fringe sphinx]

Every job has a range of salaries.

[placid hill]

On average, the pay I was given is below that.

[near ocean]

💀

[true harness]

i actually don't know how to interpret that. did you mean that you were given a below average salary?

[fringe sphinx]

That's how salaries work, you're not guaranteed to make above average, because of how averages work.

[placid hill]

Again, am I missing something? Am I not saying I was fucked over and thus I'm mad? or is my phrasing incorrect? Do I just deserve instead of .. just being normal and saying what's confusing?

[near ocean]

YOU were fucked over, on average software devs AREN'T fucked over

On average software devs have it easy

[placid hill]

#career-advice message
#career-advice message

oh, yeah, as if I haven't said that before already

[vapid violet]

Why?

[near ocean]

We are privileged to work in this field, its not something bad to admit

[balmy spade]

Perhaps this conversation could use a break to calm down a little.

[near ocean]

#career-advice message

[placid hill]

No, I'm not privileged if I have to be exploited to "work in this field"

[fringe sphinx]

It's unclear what specifically you're asking about here. What's your question?

[vapid violet]

Why does that make things easy?

[placid hill]

I'm not asking a question. #career-advice message

[vapid violet]

I would say that I have worked pretty hard to get to where I am now

[fringe sphinx]

Then what's the argument?

Over whether some SWEs don't get paid well?

[placid hill]

That SWE isn't inherently a lucrative field as they phrased it for the LLM shill above

[near ocean]

Yes and good for you, i didnt say it was unearned
Of course people earn this privilege

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know what inherently means here.

[placid hill]

On a vacuum, ignoring circumstances

Remember, they also said, we should consider ourselves privileged for being able to work in SWE

[fringe sphinx]

Forget the word inherently. On average c it's a well paid field.

But not guaranteed.

[placid hill]

apparently it's bad to consider people who've been fucked over

[fringe sphinx]

What does that have to do with the conversation?

[placid hill]

ITS A GOOD FIELD, DON'T BAD MOUTH IT, YOU ARE PRIVILEGED

[true harness]

what is with this attitude 🗿. you entered the conversation assuming that people are talking down to you and discounting your experience

[placid hill]

That's what I've extracted so far from mar's comments

[balmy spade]

You've been provoking it with your reaction emoji for the last 20 minutes. Why are you asking this?

[fringe sphinx]

I do think you should take a break. You clearly are frustrated here. I get it. But I don't think we need to continue.

[placid hill]

You can't tell me they aren't when my experiences are met with, "but on average--- just ignoring you--- but on average"

[near ocean]

Not every topic is about you personally
This isnt even an opinion of mine, there are stats and figures and numbers

[true harness]

the conversation from the start has been about averages. yes, individual experiences matter, but they don't change whether or not something is true on average

[placid hill]

How many times do I have to say I'm expressing my contempt over how people take SWE as a sunshine and rainbows field? It's not that.

[near ocean]

Are you discounting my experience now?

[fringe sphinx]

The problem is everyone is correct here. I think you're both talking past each other.

[placid hill]

No, you're purposefully ignoring mine for the past 10 minutes by going "but on average"

[fringe sphinx]

Can we stop this now? It's gotten personal.

[near ocean]

It's been made personal

[placid hill]

here comes the dogpiling

[near ocean]

Perhaps if more people share their experiences things could calm down

[fringe sphinx]

As I said, let's move on.

[true harness]

i'm not sure if "Grouped Micro-Projects" is necessary if you only have one project
what does your template project do? does it help make fastapi apps faster? might be worth expanding on that, i was a bit confused
for your InstaPYDL project, did you use async or something similar to speed things up? that's worth including in the technologies i think.
is it the same company for both your work experiences?

[summer ocean]

Hi, looking for some advice regarding beginning a career in IT. Im currently 16, and have to decide for Bachelors degree. Im thinking to go for Bsc in IT, idk about major yet. While simultaneously if i study for certifications like compita. Im looking for suggestions and advice on whether if entering the field is really worth it and if so, what should be my first step.

[native swift]

From the past few weeks, I am struggling to get an internship or job. I am not asking for referrals here, but if anybody who got an internship or job from LinkedIn, Naukri, etc., please help me. I am applying but getting no responses. If you can help in any manner, please DM. Any help will be appreciable.

[smoky quest]

• I would suggest to add what was cool or difficult about your project rather than just passively describing them. Get the reader excited and make them want to call you back
• Assuming you are looking for dev jobs, you should reframe your resume as a dev. That means re-doing your skills section and having meatier projects

The latter point is especially important to have you stand up to your competition. Each job ad receives thousands of applications from new grads who have a CS degree, awesome internships and great projects.
So that means your projects need to compensate for it, or else recruiters would just call back these other folks.

[pine sleet]

[pine sleet]

if you’re not getting any responses it’s most likely due to your resume. You can post your resume here and we can review it for you

[icy pagoda]

you do want the resume to the best you can get it to be. but in centralized hiring sites (unless there's an exam/hackathon/some sort of screening), your resume is not really getting noticed or it becomes really luck based due to sheer amount of candidates. linkedIN could be a bit better that way

unless the hr is looking for some very niche skills/experiences

[cunning night]

hii

[odd spoke]

yee ha

[amber lynx]

Hey, I've made a pivot to tech a couple of years ago. I've spent the last ~2 years at an e-commerce company in Romania, redesigning and building their digital infrastructure and introducing a more data centric business approach. Before that I've worked over 10 years in the coffee industry, in multiple countries in roles ranging from barista, to green coffee importer, or consultant designing and building coffee shops.
I'm now looking to continue my career focusing on Data Science and Machine Learning.
I'd be very grateful for any feedback on the state of my CV. Note, I edit the professional summary for each job application, matching keywords, basically.

https://limewire.com/d/aN6nv#igcvelGyFY

[crude sun]

yeah same company

[crude sun]

understood

[left mist]

guys is it possible to create a minecraft auto clicker with python?

[buoyant seal]

Should be super easy with py autogui lib, unless they have installed anticheat at server and accounted for such stuff

[near ocean]

🤨

This is without a doubt a scam bot <@&831776746206265384>

[still lark]

Wdym ?

[near ocean]

Reply to a silly question on a different platform? Definitely not shady behaviour

[earnest garden]

hi

[icy pagoda]

do you want to tell us your experience?

[plush summit]

I got rejected lol

[lilac quail]

joined very early as founding engineer, I did not align properly on the values/way of working and vision for the company and that was a mistake. It took me a few months to realise I was not able to work with the founder. Still a very good xp as I learned as much as maybe 2 or 3 years in the corporate world, and also learned what I don't like to do. Lessons learned, when joining that early, make sure you agree on the fundamental values of the start up beforehand.

[icy pagoda]

Were the misaligned fundamental values management/philosophical or technical (code structuring, contribution etc) btw

[lilac quail]

management, way of working

[icy pagoda]

Makes sense

[lilac quail]

Thanks for asking 🙂 Now it almost feels weird having free time lol

[arctic lava]

Guys is there a place i can put my pypi projecy to show people

[outer rivet]

I have job interviews for the next 4.5 hours. Wish me luck

[tall minnow]

good luckk

[lilac quail]

5 hours of job interview, wow, is it NASA or something

[true harness]

I had five hours of interviews then they ghosted me 🙄

[arctic lava]

Made a few things id like feedback on

Also created my own encoding language which in my opinion is second to only cryptography because it uses keys, but with mine its pretty unique no encode can be the same twice even if its the samewor full document, which is what sets it apart from other encoders, and makes brute forcing basically impossibled

Also this Looking for feedback on this project i did https://pypi.org/project/RedXAIEasyFunctions/

And now im making a installerbuilder and launchet builder for my main project which is this portal app https://gyazo.com/02fbce66dc7ba0a77b0572ba564fdd7a

I use firebase and cloud store and encrypt users data in my own encryption for safety

I own the rights to the music

[untold relic]

google won't hire me even after completing cs50 😦

[near ocean]

it do be like that sometimes

[pine sleet]

is that a serious question

[arctic lava]

Think people would use a firebase/google cloud module if i really made it easy to use and highly flexible

Making it either way for myself just curious

[vapid jay]

im not sure about that UI

it looks... ugly thats the best way to put it

[arctic lava]

Working on functionality before prettying it up

[white relic]

darn, discord ui got me again

@remote rivet Hi, I've deleted your post because the link is to a website of dubious authorship. Constructive comments on finding a job are welcome, but posting random sketchy job aggregators is not constructive (and if the aggregator is your own site, also against our advertisement policy).

[main epoch]

So
Pretty much when i did my entrance exams i managed to only be accepted into an economics school
From what i seen out of my preformence i suck at it
Many people have been telling me that i would be great for a computer major
Should i honestly switch my schools

Switching schools aint really an easy thing

[outer rivet]

A bank

[rotund kindle]

How old are you?

[main epoch]

16

[dense mica]

any quant company /bank lol

it's usually around 7 hours of interviews in total excl the entrance test.

They do like
entrance test, then phone interview, then a seond phone interview, then (possibly) a third, then a full day of onsite interviews where you get between 3 and 4 interviews in a day

[lilac quail]

Sure I've seen that as well, just not all in the same day

[dense mica]

And specifically for banks completing the "apply for job" form can take several hours 🙂

[dense mica]

yeah I've never had 5 hours in a day. My most in a day was 4 hours

[dense mica]

and then didn't get offered lol

[final ravine]

Most of that is waiting for the pages to load

[silk quartz]

those are 2 much and then they will end up ghosting you, and never hear from them

[remote rivet]

dubious authorship? What do you mean? It was job listing

[white relic]

It looks sketchy to link a jobs aggregator with no context. It would be weird even if it were a major aggregator like Monster or Indeed, since people here (generally speaking) know that sites like that exist and that doesn't tend to be the sticking point for people who struggle getting jobs. Linking to a no-name aggregator looks like at best self-promotion (which isn't what this server is for) and at worst something nefarious.

[robust island]

Are a lot of listings on linkedin just scraped from different websites?

[white relic]

On LinkedIn specifically? I haven't noticed that, but I haven't been searching there recently. On many other sites yes.

[remote rivet]

💯

[robust island]

Maybe it depends on the area. Nearly every job listing in my area uses the "Apply externally" button, which I'm guessing is just "our bot found the words "job" and "apply" and "<your area>" in the same page"

[white relic]

From the hiring side, I know my company hires people from LinkedIn, but I don't necessarily know where they first saw the listing.

[wanton birch]

Would you guys ever consider applying again for a role at a company where they ghosted you in your earlier application while booking you in for a first interview ?

[fringe sphinx]

Why would you?

Hmm, my punctuation missed there, I meant? Why, would you?

I see no reason not to. Don't take things personally, especially fairly typical recruiter behavior.

[remote rivet]

I forget about job applications right after applying so yes 🤣 🤣

And i have 3 jobs so i dont care

[wanton birch]

Well I just applied again. Doesn’t cost me anything. I often read about people ranting about these situations. But truth be told, I have to leave no stone unturned.

[wind cedar]

I completed my summer swe internship remotely. Should I include that information on my resume and LinkedIn profile?

[wanton birch]

Congratulations! How was the experience? Also, why not? As long as it was a real internship, it should be mentioned.

[wind cedar]

If I add that I did the internship remote on my resume and linkedin profile, will that look bad or make my experience be better due to the additional context I am giving?

[peak halo]

I don't think it matters one way or another that the internship was remote.

[wind cedar]

y

[crude sun]

Guys can you link any CS Courses that actually mean anything to have besides my projects? im curious

[fringe sphinx]

As part of a degree program? Or you mean like Udemy or online classes?

[fast fossil]

a CS course at a university, a.k.a. a degree in CS

[crude sun]

Erm to rephrase better, not the formal one of universities cause my grades were too low to enter CS

so online courses or certs

i know 90% dont mean horse 💩 , but i guess some mean something

[fringe sphinx]

If I were crafting a resume, without a degree, I'd look for applied skills, like cloud computing, that are directly relevant

AWS and Azure have certification programs

[vapid jay]

hi

I would like to discuss my career

Will a young gentlemen or madam please aid in my conversation

[final ravine]

Best to just ask your question, not ask to ask

[quaint barn]

Go on, I am very young.

Also eh guys is this portfolio nice in the long run? and what else an be improved

https://abin14.vercel.app/

[still briar]

nice

[still briar]

it looks professional

you have a lot of ambition for such a young person - i only know few people like this in real life

Im not a python expert, just a casual python coder, but good luck to you, i love your drive.

[cunning lark]

thanks buddy

[quaint barn]

Aight thankss I'm revising my React.js right now, but my python will stay the same.

[icy pagoda]

how are AI/NLP roles normally judged btw

are they judged by "can you use existing AI/NLP frameworks for integration into our systems" or "can you design or modify AI/NLP frameworks for our usecase before you integrate them"

[nimble cosmos]

am i allowed to ask questions here

[summer roost]

are those questions relevant to #career-advice ?

[nimble cosmos]

i need to ask questions regarding python,im a college student beginner hence i need the chat section ask questions

[summer roost]

#python-discussion is the right place for that

[nimble cosmos]

thank you

[chrome cedar]

Not sure if people have info on this, but there's supposedly been a growing sentiment towards not requiring a degree especially when someone has work experience
I've had two jobs and one of them was being an L5 SysDE at AWS, but I admittedly got lucky getting the first job even with a referal from someone I knew at that company

Is there actually a trend away from education as a focus / requirement or is that some LinkedIn article engagement bait?

[summer roost]

around 80% of professional developers have a degree, and around 20% don't

[shell flume]

https://github.com/Dynamo80/Waste-Segregator

You know they're gonna require ai vision with extra sensors.. don't think an arduino is gonna cut it... combines with level 5 self driving is the future

[shell flume]

Degree is a garauntee on the box that makes the employer feel all cosy inside.. jokes aside.. degrees are fun... what else

[shell flume]

Hard work and determination... cs is full-time

[crude sun]

Okay i understand, i will look into those

[dusk stump]

Hello guys im a beginner where could i start?

[fringe sphinx]

See the top pinned message in #python-discussion

[safe quest]

Does anyone know alternative to Nvidia Broadcast feature where maintain eye contact is used for meeting apps

[rugged axle]

How should I choose my gsoc project ?

[quaint barn]

Areyy it's just a prototype right now.. my school's making a massive one with me as the head yes it'll have ai sensors. That one is just for soil moisture sensor

[spare ridge]

What do you all think, are software devs cooked after cursor claude and other models

I feel that since now everyone can become like a 10x developer, i feel there is gonna be a decline in the job market rapidly

like it could be possible that 95% of the current jobs are replaced with ai and the rest 5% managing and coding it all

but what would happen to the rest 95%, that's the big question

i would like to get your guy's take on this

[daring gust]

depends

there need to be some people who do the ai, and know how to work with it. Coding isnt getting replaced by ai, it's changing with ai, if you want to be a dev, you need to learn how to code with ai

[spare ridge]

I know that, but just see how quickly people are able to debug and make production ready apps, like it has increased productivity by like 10x, don't u think there will be a large decline for demand for developers hence the 95% number

[daring gust]

i think it will be just more difficuilt to get a decent job

but there are many open spots for devs right now

[spare ridge]

Hmm well yeah

But it surely will decrease the demand significantly

I'm pretty sure agi or asi is not coming anytime soon, so it's less likely, but still I feel the demand is going to go down like soo much

[daring gust]

Hmm maybe, but the demand for devs is pretty high right now dont you think? So if it will go down (which it will probably do) then there still will be place to be hired easily

[spare ridge]

Hmm

[rotund kindle]

What about you? Are you currently studying or trying to land a new job?

[daring gust]

Im a very young guy, but i am more in the learning phase than looking for a job, because of my age of course and because of my expiriance not being as big as i think it should be

Im learning new things about python everyday

[rotund kindle]

That sounds great. Wish your good coding journey.

[daring gust]

same with you

[fringe sphinx]

I think you're underestimating difficulty of 'production ready apps'. And overestimating how AI is used.

[fringe sphinx]

Demand for devs is complicated, because it also depends on what type of dev, who you classify as a dev, etc.

[spare ridge]

you know i think you are absolutely right, but this thing is going to improve from now and not downgrade, and the time it can reduce for an normal dev to make them a 10x dev is kinda a scary thought, that's what i was talking about, the demand and supply of the job market in future because of this

[fringe sphinx]

You're repeating hype tho. 10x dev? What does that actually mean? Have you met one? I like AI. It helps me with side questions and can reduce my time googling, but it's hardly close to a competent senior engineer.

I do agree there'll be shifts in job supply, but primarily among the 'less' competent end of engineers.

[spare ridge]

well yeah your right kinda, it was just a thought that i had

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, the market is changing, just don't believe anyone who makes simplistic, conclusory statements (about anything, tbh)

[vapid jay]

How hard/realistic will it be to get into the SWE field with a Computer Engineering degree upon graduation?

I'm aware having a CS degree is preferable, but that might not be the most realistic option at the moment.

[digital fjord]

I'd expect no one to really care whether you're CS or CE.

[vapid jay]

I'm glad to hear that. I assume then if I want to continue to head into SWE I should just continue practicing my data structure and algorithms fundamentals for interview prep. Thanks again.

[digital fjord]

well, make sure you actually know how to do SWE at a basic level, do projects and all that.

[vapid jay]

Of course, that's actually the main reason I've been wanting to go into SWE. It's much more enjoyable then working with hardware, at least in my opinion from the novice projects I've been working on myself.

[vast shoal]

At the very least, it should be way quicker to get up to speed with what you need to know as a productive SWE if you already have a CE degree.

If you do well in an interview, seem to know your stuff and have a CE degree instead of CS, I'd hire you.

We've hired several people with physics degrees at my employer.

[humble vine]

What do you guys think about procedural generation project/s for a portolio? I am building a procedurally-generated dungeon with Python and hope I can really stand out when I finish it!

[vapid jay]

That's great to hear. I've had my mind set on SWE but CS is heavily capacity constrained at my university, whereas CE is much less competitive. It's a big relief to hear that.

Thank you for the help again.

[vast shoal]

In some respects I think a CE could have valuable insights that CS people may lack, like better understanding of low-level concepts.

Could be good to have at least a few people like that around.

[vapid jay]

Yeah that makes sense. I believe it also provides more opportunities in other fields incase I ever decide to look into doing something else, which is cool.

[vast shoal]

It's nice to have a lot of interesting projects in your portfolio. I'm not sure if a single procedural generation project will make a big difference on its own, but if you show that you're curious and creative and have a bunch of different projects under your belt, that helps.

[humble vine]

Thanks for the reply. I heard from multiple sources that it's something complex and the way I see it is that it is also something different from most projects from juniors which are web-based projects and also it's interesting and cool and requires a stack of different skills - like creativity one of them.

[vast shoal]

I do think it's valuable to try a variety of different things. Web projects are nice because there's a lot of demand for those skills, so it's worth not neglecting that either.

[humble vine]

I agree.

[fleet oar]

I have been thinking,is cyber security a good paying job?

[peak halo]

Yes

[wanton birch]

🤔 thoughts?

[summer roost]

sounds hard to believe. There was a massive hiring boom in 2020 and 2021, I can't imagine any way this could be correct

the charts on https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/software-engineer-jobs-five-year-low/ seem far more believable to me

[wanton birch]

Maybe the boom wasn’t across the board?

[summer roost]

seems like it was, per chart 2 on that page

the one showing a breakdown by country

[wanton birch]

https://www.adpresearch.com/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-software-developer/

[wanton birch]

I would not consider the data source there all that much legit

[summer roost]

seems much more believable to me, as someone who has observed the hiring patterns of the last 10 years...

[silver ether]

Where is the lounge chat

[summer roost]

to talk about Python, #python-discussion, to talk about other stuff, #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[silk quartz]

are those data available to use, i need that api or data.csv if possible

[lunar halo]

Good Afternoon Gentlemen,

New in the community here. I am a Data Analyst for an HR facility. So I use Workday a lot. Company is big on growth so they have a lot of learning opportunities and I do want to take advantage of it. I am a senior data analyst but I want to grow more in my field. I dabbled on Python and R here in there in grad school but at my current role I am using Workday and Power Query. Right now I am trying to see where is the market with Analytics and what skills are valuable to learn that not many people are touching up right now but will matter in the next 5 - 10 years. Anybody have a solid idea here and resources?

Or even insights on the industry today will Analytics stay relevant? If not what would people in that workforce would have to shift to?

[remote jungle]

well that's nice to hear ...but mostly there's a ATS system which auto filtered the degree to only relvents one...this also narrow down the successiblity of the candidate with no cs degree

[vast shoal]

Different companies will have different approaches to recruitment, of course

[remote jungle]

make sense...

[lilac quail]

There's not a single solution to that but I can share my choice; I was in your shoes 3 years ago

[white relic]

Two key considerations when interpreting this:

1. "Source: ADP data" ADP is an HR services & management company. Not all companies hire out HR services, and of those that do not all use ADP. My employer does not use ADP, so none of my coworkers would be counted. Before jumping to conclusions, it's important to know whether ADP's sample accurately reflects US industry as a whole over the last 7 years, or if we could be looking at a trend in ADP's marketing strategy or in specific industries that are over-represented in the data for whatever reason.
2. What does "employment index" mean, exactly? Total number of people employed as software developers? The suggestion that a full quarter of software developers have lost their jobs or changed careers, and not been replaced at all, since late 2019 simply doesn't pass the sniff test. Yes there have been significant layoffs and COVID-19 effects, but not to the tune of 25% of the entire software engineering workforce! The article doesn't explain the index, but perhaps they are taking software developers as a fraction of total employees - that might explain why we don't see a dramatic change around the beginning of the pandemic, when hiring crashed for pretty much everybody at the same time. (It doesn't really explain the rest of the chart, but perhaps they're doing some other math, or perhaps the effect exaggerates other things going on like in point 1)

You can and should consider the source for data, even (especially) when that data confirms your assumptions. I'm not saying necessarily godlygeek's source is all right and yours is all wrong (indeed job postings have many of the same kind of issues as "ADP data") but I am saying you should use caution when interpreting data presented uncritically, especially when industry experts and other data sources are telling a very different story.

[lilac quail]

Does anyone already experienced some sort of professional burnout? I'd like to talk about it if you are comfortable with it.

[near ocean]

Yes, most devs will at some point, what are your concerns?

[balmy mural]

Not personally, but know of multiple people who have dealt with it

[lilac quail]

I was wondering what were the first signals that told you something had to change?

[near ocean]

Had burnout during my first job, ended up doing leetcode in the office out of boredom and then finding a new job

[balmy mural]

Dreading the next workday or having a complete lack of interest in the job (and then getting minimal work done) seemed to be the two common ones among my peers

[lilac quail]

Thanks for sharing. Do you know if and how they got back on their feet? Was it long?

[near ocean]

You should probably just ditch if youre experiencing burnout
Trying to change the workplace instead is a monumental effort that needs time and energy spent not just from yourself but your managers and their managers and so on

[lilac quail]

Not sure. Sadly there is no textbook that helps you identify one 😄
But I'm defintely gonna talk to a professional. Thanks

[near ocean]

Its just a job, i would consider changing it long before i feel the need to see a professional about it, thats a bit too late imho

[lilac quail]

its just a job
Definitely and I always had this opinion. But this time I just didn't see it coming.

[balmy mural]

2 moved to new companies. One moved to a new team within the same company and is happy at new team

[white finch]

Can you get a data analyst job without a degree? I’ve heard some jobs require one just to screen. I plan to start freelancing at affordable rates after completing the Google Career Certificate to gain experience. Over the next 9-12 months, I’ll focus on mastering data analytics, taking advanced courses, learning math, and mastering industry tools while freelancing. Will this be enough? I plan to go to college later but can’t right now.

[near ocean]

<@&831776746206265384> wall dump against rule 9

[fossil horizon]

where can I post my suggestion?

[near ocean]

Nowhere, read the rules

[still condor]

@fossil horizon Please read the rules and the channel description. There's no place to post your resume (for job searching) on this server

[fossil horizon]

I'll leave here

[chrome cedar]

Silly question, but does anyone have recommendations for job posting sites for bigger companies? I know most places have their own sites for job listings, but I'm looking for an alternative to LinkedIn as I'm applying to more positions

[drifting saffron]

If some one good at graph design and can help,pls dm me

[chrome cedar]

That's not the channel or server for this request

[rotund kindle]

Sure you can do it. If you have sufficient skill, you can be quite well off even with freelancing.

[drifting saffron]

Yep,ik but i didnt find even 1 person so im sorry to write off topic things

[chrome cedar]

Best to delete your posts and find somewhere else that you can ask that kind of question

[rotund kindle]

How can I help?

[drifting saffron]

Dm

[green breach]

a

[crude sun]

Hi, should i try to look into Security+ cert without much networking knowledge?

[peak halo]

what knowledge, experience, and credentials do you currently have?

[crude sun]

Well in CS none of the above
only programming in python various things as RESTful Apis, CLI and automatting stuff

and working customer support and tech support for emails but that doesnt really count that much

My current goal would be to get into a SOC Analyst position this year

[dense mica]

The behaviour you have shown in this graph should be expected. The fed has been increasing interest rates for literally years (which they have to do) and that has a negative effect on the labour market (it is not the only cause, there are other factors).

Notice how the layoffs shown in your graph essentially coincide with when the rate hikes started happening as they tried to fix the economy after the pandemic.

Don't worry about all this "swe is dead" stuff you see online

I'm not saying this is causal by any means

But what I'm trying to suggest is this might have a stronger correlation with larger economic trends instead of the fact that SWEs aren't needed anymore or whatever is going on with AI or something lol

[clever meadow]

Hey everyone! I got an internship interview for a QA/ Test Software engineer. I have a technical interview for live coding and then a technical interview for QA/Testing. does anyone have tips or resources to prepare for it?

[deft void]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

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[peak halo]

<@&831776746206265384> offering money

[leaden jasper]

!warn 479430217086009345 This isn't the place to hire devs. Please re-read our #rules.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @arctic lava.

[arctic lava]

Bro just wanted his documentation read over 💀

Alright mb wont happen again

[rotund kindle]

Actually even you are focused in cybersecurity, you should be familiar with networking concepts because networks are a primary attack vector in security like IP addressing, ports, protocols, VPNs..
I suggest to start with Network or Hybrid approach

[crude sun]

sooo... do both at a moderate speed

[worn widget]

i have been writing c, cpp, java, js, python, php, kotlin for the last seven years. however, every time i write in one lang, i tend to forget the syntax of others, which makes me feel scared and underconfident. what should i do?

[rotund kindle]

memorize everything, try to code on your head.
one important thing is that you have to try to think logic rather than actual code

[worn widget]

the logics are always same irrespective of the lang. but i forget little things like semicolon, parentheses, or methods available. for instance i am writing python for the last 1 week, and i am constantly thinking that I am going to have a hard time when I will write js next. what's the remedy for this? or do i just have a bad brain?

[remote rivet]

lol

[next falcon]

Don’t language hop too much

Stick with one or two and learn them properly

Cheat sheets also help

Devhints.io

[wind cedar]

Whats a good first software engineering internship to have as a CS major looking to break into the tech industry preferably at big tech companies like FAANG?

[peak halo]

Any internship in your region that pays the interns and would have you work on something that's interesting to you.

[tribal fern]

boss i seriously need any contract remote opportunity if anyone can help me iwth this . I am a python Full stack enginner can handle direct client needs

[shell flume]

Would you take unpaid internships? I thought about doing it for trading futures/forrex contracts... but unpaid programming isn't potentially paying you on the side ...

[vast shoal]

I've been coding for way longer than that, and I often forget little syntactic details when I switch between languages as well. I don't think it can be corrected, but it's also not really a problem. Like, if I work with Java and Kotlin for months, then I get really good at that syntax and I rarely make mistakes. Then when I switch to Python I may initially make some minor mistakes, and maybe I need to look up some small details to fix them, but then as I continue working in Python those small mistakes become gradually less frequent. Those small errors won't impact your productivity much, so it doesn't really matter.

It's also easier than ever nowadays to figure out what you did wrong and how to fix it.

[tulip slate]

Hey guys can u help me in a code

[vast shoal]

Check out #❓｜how-to-get-help

[deep knot]

Hi all,

I recently got invited to interview for a research internship in a bioinformatics/immunogenetics lab. The role involves working with high-throughput immune receptor sequencing data—basically exploring variation in BCR and TCR genes (adaptive immune system stuff). Tasks include data analysis, curation, and plotting, and I’d be working with researchers who are developing new genotyping and sequencing tools.

The team seems to use a tool they developed internally (public on GitLab) for this, and they mentioned I'd start by understanding their datasets before moving on to analysis. They also work with real human cohort data and collaborate with groups applying machine learning.

My background: I’m a third-year ICT student starting my CS master’s soon. I’ve only touched the basics of Python and haven’t done any serious data science projects yet. No formal ML experience.

So my question is:

• Would this be too difficult for someone with very little data science background?
• Has anyone here done something similar, and how steep was the learning curve?

And should I ask anything in particular during or before the interview to be on the safe side?

Any advice or experiences appreciated 🙏

[lilac quail]

It sounds like they will train you, I would follow their advice and start understanding and exploring their dataset

[hearty totem]

Exactly (as above said by Clem). This is an internship. They picked you based on their needs for tech, not on the need for ML. If I were to guess they want someone to move data from one format to another, in an automated fashion. Over the plethora formats biology has. And that's good learning if you would like to stick in biotech for a while. (I work in biotech officially doing ML, and moving data is still 90+% of the job)

[glad oak]

Even in Healthcare moving / making data usable is a significant part of the work

[glad oak]

Go for it.
They won't be expecting you to have a workflow within the first few months of being there

You're basically given an opportunity where you will get feedback
I have to deal with Clinical, Drug data at work and often have to figure terminologies and their underlying relevance on my own

[analog sun]

@restive rose your message was removed for attempting to share pirated software. Do not do so again.

[bold jolt]

hi, im new here and im learning python

im learning by the Bro Code tutorial

[hardy lynx]

Is it good

YouTube video?

[glad compass]

hi everyone

i used to come from commerce background and learning python is there any scope for me.

[jolly ember]

you could make a financial analyst saas could be a cool path

its really just what can you bring your current knowledge into, or you can just dive into an entirely new path, its pretty endless

[bold jolt]

very very good

is on yt

[restive dragon]

i want to get started with pythone but it seems so hard does anyone know a easy way i can learn it?

[peak halo]

Being good at a programming language is valuable because it's not easy to become.

You should reframe what you're trying to do. You want a more effective way to learn python. Not an easier one.

What have you tried so far?