career-advice

[proud glacier]

the usual reason is that people get internships for work experience when their schedule (due to college) doesn't let them work full-time.
it's also a way for companies to scout for talent before graduation.

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not sure what you think specialization means, but to me: specialization is a bad thing for a beginner.

[sly ibex]

I was thinking the same you know. I start with the small jobs so I can gain an experience on what it is like to work in the industry, then go for the big ones.

[proud glacier]

just try a little of everything and see what sticks

[violet spire]

I know but I am saying we have to choose specialisation first right before entering in any job so that's why I am asking

[near ocean]

No

[fringe sphinx]

Why do you have to choose? Is this to pick a Uni program?

[sly ibex]

I have a collection of technical fields I want to study and get my hands into.

[violet spire]

Yes we have options to choose which specialisations to choose in uni..it's not fixed..

[pine sleet]

From what I can tell the general recommendation is to not specialize early on

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, that's different.. you're just asking about which Uni program to pick. That doesn't mean it's the only thing you'll learn.

Like, you could pick data science as your Uni program, but still learn web dev on the side.

[violet spire]

Yeah I will learn degree then after 3-4 sem..I have to choose which specialisations i want

[pine sleet]

My uni makes you choose a specific emphasis area. I didn’t really know what to do so I put cybersecurity but im still doing a CS degree and learn a lot of different things

[violet spire]

Damn bro but job is only one and web development job is different than of ai

So why will I learn multiple specialisation when there is no multiple jobs like that..hybrid version

[fringe sphinx]

And ML programming often ends up needing some web dev skills.

[pine sleet]

there are more web dev + ai jobs together than there are only web dev jobs or ai jobs, if you’re good at learning new stuff you have a larger pool of jobs to pick from

[violet spire]

Then they will cover in specialisation

[near ocean]

Is web dev a specialization? There's so much about web dev to learn

[violet spire]

Name some

[pine sleet]

name what?

[proud glacier]

one job may not involve all of these, but the more you know, the more kinds of jobs you're eligible for.

[fringe sphinx]

You will need to learn practical skills on your own. Uni programs are only half of your learning.

[violet spire]

Job roles hybrid job roles

[pine sleet]

if you specialize early you’re just bottlenecking yourself

[fringe sphinx]

It's not "hybrid". A normal dev job involves multiple skills. Few jobs are "specialized", in my experience (and depending on definition of word "specialized"0

[violet spire]

Which job role to pick which is best..like high salary and luxury life in future and can start business also so which one to choose

[near ocean]

All software jobs are high salary and luxury

[violet spire]

Software engineer

Where can I learn more details about specialisation and job roles available in the market..where to read or watch

[fringe sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QxI-RP6-HM

[near ocean]

I really hate the pithink emoji

[proud glacier]

what, it's the best

[fringe sphinx]

I'm still unsure what it means

[near ocean]

What does it mean here, are we doubting that software dev jobs are at the very top of career paths?

[fringe sphinx]

it's probably your use of "all"

[near ocean]

In terms of salary, benefits, overall quality of life?

All software dev jobs are much better paid than average

Even the lowest paid, according to the SO survey, PHP devs are still paid more than the average

[violet spire]

Anyone good in studies?Who is topper?

[final ravine]

Could you elaborate?

[exotic needle]

hi

where i can get help about python discord api code

[sly ibex]

What about the taxes you have to pay, don't people get annoyed with them? 😂

[near ocean]

Theres no scenario where you paying more taxes because of your income results in you taking home less than others in lower tax brackets than you

[sly ibex]

Ok

[deft herald]

Doesn't mean we don't get annoyed with taxes though. It's a universal problem

[near ocean]

Taxes are annoying whether you earn 10k a year or 100k

[sly ibex]

It is indeed, thats why most people go to Dubai.

[pine sleet]

i dont think most people go to dubai

[proud glacier]

for very low values of "most"

[near ocean]

A lot of people go to dubai but if they want to trade all they lose by doing that for no income tax its up to them

[fringe sphinx]

I took it to mean: "Of people who move to dubai, they do so for tax reasons"

[peak halo]

We can't help you with PHP issues on this server.

[zealous ruin]

i am able to understand theory but i couldn't practical programming any help? please ping me while replying

[fringe sphinx]

it's better if you just ask a specific question. What do you not understand? Ask over in #python-discussion plz

[edgy ingot]

What is the average salary of a junior software engineer that uses python?

[fringe sphinx]

Impossible to answer.

[edgy ingot]

And what about the minimum?

[fringe sphinx]

Probably $0

[edgy ingot]

uh

[peak halo]

the best way to answer questions like this is to use Glassdoor.

[edgy ingot]

is there like in Brazil a "piso salarial" - minimum salary for that professional - and " teto salarial" - the maximum salary of that professional (only in government's enterprises) -?

in the USA, canada or germany?

[near ocean]

With people willing to pay for experience it might even be negative

[edgy ingot]

For any formed engineer, for example, there is a "piso salarial" of 8 minimum salarys (each minimum salary is equal to ~R$1400). anualy 22,300USD

Any nurse needs to recieve at least the minimum salary of R$4750 (791USD)

all that MONTHLY!

[summer roost]

in the US, there's a minimum wage for salaried workers that is $7.25 per hour, which is about $15,000 USD annually. That would be low for someone writing software, they're more likely to start at around $20 / hour. That said, someone working for themselves might make less than that, if they're trying to sell software on fiverr or upwork or something like that. There's no upper bound, and there are people who are paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to write Python code.

[scarlet elk]

I wanna move to Dubai or visit

Habibti I know Python 😉

[dim bramble]

wow~how about Software Test Engineer or Software Quality Engineer in US

[summer roost]

same answer

[dim bramble]

thx bro

[mild flax]

Guys, what jobs can I get if I am deciding to major in Electrical Engineering?

Also how would this degree hold up in US over the next 10 years? Would really appreciate it!

[vapid jay]

Electrical engineering is the most stable, and a well paid engineering career.

You can expect 80% of the graduates to work in utilities

[mossy hull]

\

[rancid zinc]

Hi everyone

Is there anyone who has fintech experience using Python?

please help me to develop the fintech project

[violet spire]

Are you good in studies?

[final ravine]

Could you elaborate even further?

[final ravine]

What's a topper? What sort of studies? What's your immediate goal?

[violet spire]

Study tips

[final ravine]

Do a lot of past papers

[final ravine]

Can you answer my questions? I need you to expand so I can recommend something

[final ravine]

Hello

[final ravine]

It's best to just ask your question and not ask to ask or if anyone knows something

[violet spire]

If I have all information which I need then experience doesn't matter
And experience itself means lack of information about something else and that information you gain by doing the job for a while but if i already have it then I am good to go

[sour tartan]

"if"

if i know how to drive a car perfectly, then I don't need to take driving lessons!

[violet spire]

Driving car is your experience and gaining driving lessons if it's perfect then you really don't need to experience driving a car in real

[sour tartan]

you keep saying "if", but it's not realistic. The only way to know how to drive a car well is to practice driving a car.

you wanted to talk to people doing real jobs. We are telling you things that you don't like, so you aren't accepting them.

[violet spire]

Then how scientists calculate and make images of something which they never seen and experience..it's all about information and calculations

[sour tartan]

you are right. You are ready for a job. Go and get one!

[violet spire]

I am accepting it..but i am curious because of some doubts

[violet spire]

Just imagine right like I gain all information I need and company culture and everything then I will easily enter any company without needing for experience..damn that's what I was thinking

[sour tartan]

"if"! stop this.

[violet spire]

Ok sorry

[violet spire]

Done now you can answer

[umbral frigate]

Hypotheticals can be useful, but being too farfetched isn't helpful.

[violet spire]

Damn so tough english sentence..you send

@placid hill Then how scientists calculate and make images of something which they never seen and experience..it's all about information and calculations

[placid hill]

What does that mean? What kind of scientists are we talking about?

[umbral frigate]

What is your point? Experience is important, knowledge is too.

[placid hill]

and experience and knowledge is interconnected, and that's all there is to it

not sure what else you're expecting to hear, "experience is useless, go apply for that job"?

[umbral frigate]

Like nedbat said, we are already telling you answers to your questions, you're just not accepting the things that you don't want to hear.

[fringe sphinx]

I have experience hiring software engineers. My experience hiring software engineers tells me that: years of experience and education are positively correlated with their outcomes (more experience and education tends to mean a better outcome: a more productive employee).

[violet spire]

Hmm bruh my dreams shattered

So there is no way to escape experience and get in big companies like I gain full knowledge?

[placid hill]

why are you so afraid of experience?

[umbral frigate]

"if"

[fringe sphinx]

Part of knowledge is experience. To gain that knowledge, you need experience. It's a circular argument.

[violet spire]

I want to be rich quickly

[fringe sphinx]

Ah, so do I.

[placid hill]

sure, if your dad owns a diamond mine or something like that (looking at you... ahem.... Melon Tusk)

Experience is nice, and here, you get paid for doing something that is relatively easier than a lot of the other jobs out there

[violet spire]

Sus

[violet spire]

No I think if I can hire experts..they can share me their experience so I don't need experience to get in company

[fringe sphinx]

That's called going to school and getting a degree

[violet spire]

But still have to do small jobs and gain experience to get in big companies

[fringe sphinx]

Big companies do hire people out of Uni

[violet spire]

And why do they hire if there are tons of experienced people out there who wants job..they can easily get them

[fringe sphinx]

Because experienced people are expensive.

[true harness]

a team needs to be composed of different levels of experience. you usually don't want all seniors

[violet spire]

Why will experienced people won't get less salary to get job in big companies..I mean in future if they gain more experience there..there salary will be highest than other small company who paid them highest early

[vapid jay]

Experience or knowledge, which is more valuable?

Just asking.

[violet spire]

Knowledge

[placid hill]

They're interconnected, both are needed

[umbral frigate]

They are both valuable.

[violet spire]

Imagine a guy gained experience by self learning things around which he can easily by reading books

[umbral frigate]

That's not what experience is.

[vapid jay]

But that guy had more practical knowledge which are practicable and can be put into use for real life problems.

[umbral frigate]

Which guy?

[vapid jay]

The imaginary guy

[true harness]

i don't understand separating knowledge and experience

[violet spire]

I think experience is only need for information that is not available in the world so we need experience like need to self learn patterns of it and experience it

[vapid jay]

The one who is used for every single imagination as the first scapegoat

[umbral frigate]

You might be misunderstanding what experience actually is

[violet spire]

What is experience then..

[violet spire]

And what it is called when you waste your time in self learning something through self reflection which was already in book

[violet spire]

Books can too give practical knowledge

[placid hill]

Books are theory, you need work experience, which is what "experience" means here

[umbral frigate]

Sure, but experience is using your knowledge at a physical level. What you learn is the theoretical knowledge. The experience is the going out and getting your hands dirty.

[vapid jay]

Theory and practical are different or there wouldn't have been students ripping their hairs for upcoming chem&bio practicals.

[violet spire]

You can drive a car without needing to drive a car through knowledge and calculations..and it worked for me so

So through knowledge and calculations i did drive the car on first attempt

[true harness]

were you good at it though

[umbral frigate]

Sure, but that's not quite the same as a job.

[placid hill]

You drive a car without any driving lessons?

[violet spire]

I already mentioned knowledge

[placid hill]

well, hope you don't kill someone then :D

[vapid jay]

Talented person👍🏻

[violet spire]

It worked

[true harness]

that wasn't the question

[vapid jay]

Unlike certain dumbasses (me included) who would fall like shit straight on face.

[umbral frigate]

Were you tense? Did you drive slowly/during peak hours?

[violet spire]

I was not that best but with more knowledge and calculations i might be the great

[buoyant seal]

@violet spire And when person has all the experience years and zero education

• having too many hats, among which at least one is manager
  We could see often peculiar picture where person has 5-10-15 years, but at the skill level of a junior permamently remains 😏

[umbral frigate]

But with driving practice you'll be able to learn real-life situations first hand.

[placid hill]

do you have a driving license?

[violet spire]

Bro you can experience things in your head by making images

[umbral frigate]

The imagination is known to be inaccurate.

[placid hill]

if not, would you pass the exam?

[violet spire]

It's not car..its toy car

[placid hill]

what...

[violet spire]

In malls?We have cars right

[placid hill]

You cannot be serious 😭

[umbral frigate]

This conversation is not progressing usefully and I think we should probably stop here before we deviate even further.

[violet spire]

I will try it with real car and tell you if it works too

[placid hill]

I don't think you're interested in what anyone here says, so good luck!

[umbral frigate]

Car discussion can continue in off-topic.

[violet spire]

Ok

But it was kinda of like real car big and everything was real like a car

[near ocean]

You need experience if you want to make big money, end of story

[violet spire]

It was like a car actually but electric ones

[umbral frigate]

Car discussion in OFF-TOPIC. #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[violet spire]

Ok there

[vapid jay]

Yes, it also happens with me!

[violet spire]

It was like tesla i think and I don't think we need license to drive tesla...I am there
And I didn't need any license to drive that so I think it's same with tesla

[pine sleet]

what was that one quote from the oppenheimer movie.. "theory can only take you so far"?

[vapid jay]

At otto tiggy

[final ravine]

You don't really need a license to drive anything, it's just a heavily enforced social norm

[violet spire]

And can't I drive a car without need to have experience of it

It worked with the two small wheels and two big wheels bike

[final ravine]

What

[violet spire]

Do you think you can drive a car without experience and with just knowledge and calculations

And also a car

[umbral frigate]

It worked for a bicycle with training wheels, is what they mean

[deft herald]

What is this conversation

[umbral frigate]

As I said, let's stop the conversation because it's getting nowhere and is just going in circles.

[violet spire]

Bike not cycle

Bike with training wheels

[umbral frigate]

The image you posted in ot0 was of a bicycle with training wheels.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, let's come back to #career-advice . Leave the random nonsense to OT.

[violet spire]

I told you that was example

[deft herald]

So you guys going to work today? How's your career goin?

[umbral frigate]

Too young, I'm still in high school

[deft herald]

Well either way it's Friday

[final ravine]

I'm off sick on Fridays

[true harness]

no school today 🦅 🦅 🦅

[fringe sphinx]

wfh today. We're on year 4 of a 3 month contract 😉. Happy customers = good work / life balance.

[violet spire]

What job roles do you want to do in future

[fringe sphinx]

No idea, I just go where people need and pay me.

[violet spire]

Freelance?

[lavish thorn]

im "working", but my boss didnt paid me this month cause his company is going bankrupt. So im mostly studying to change my carreer to python

[violet spire]

So then you worked for free for him so now what will you do now?

File a case to cops or

How long will you type

[lavish thorn]

worked for free, yes, unfortunately. He didnt paid the entire company (long story, cops wont help, his account is blocked by the gov, cause hes being investigated), so im studying python again, trying to get out infrastucture, get a intern job if possible

[lavish thorn]

as long as i need lmao

[violet spire]

Why cops can't help. Then what about your payment?And what if you had no financial support then you died out of hunger if that happened that time

[lavish thorn]

i have other ways to deal with that. Cops cant help because hes already being dealed by cops+gov (long story, dont want to tell)

[deft herald]

That's not something that cops help with

[lavish thorn]

i agree, i just interpreted it as the authorities

[deft herald]

Nice. Friday is my WFH day too

[violet spire]

But will you get your payment someday or you never get it

And how will your boss survive if he is bankrupt

[lavish thorn]

i dont know, someday eventualy.
I dont know about his situation after all this bad things

[balmy mural]

We deploy to prod at 9pm on Friday nights. Unfortunately it's my turn to do that on valentines day 😭

[near ocean]

Second out of two places i worked at that deploy on fridays
No idea why they do so

First place's thinking was that people would work on weekends to resolve any critical issues before monday

But they didnt pay overtime 🤷‍♀️

[deft herald]

yeah that's dumb. YOu should deploy monday morning so you have the whole week to fix it

[balmy mural]

Unfortunately I work for a bank on some internal software. Traffic and usage is lower on weekends, so this is the lowest risk slot to deploy at. Apparently before my time, they used to deploy at 4am on Sunday mornings so that they still had one day on the weekend to resolve anything critical as well.
Also no overtime 😢

[vapid jay]

Do u guys ever think to start a business than doing job?

How many of u started own startup after job?

[digital fjord]

I've considered it, but it's just such an absurd time investment, and I'd rather just live life at my age (early twenties). But it's a valid path if you're in a reasonably priviliged position (connections, safety layer in case you fail, can afford to do work with no real income for a while).

[vapid jay]

With how messedup job is rn um thinking about doing some kinda business than looking for jobs its crazy rn

[deft herald]

All my business ideas are not related to programming lol

But I do have some side hustles

[digital fjord]

There are some business models which tend to be just slightly above ramen profitable, notably software consulting and server hosting of various kinds. The question is whether it's worth it, you don't get days off, work life balance and such.

[buoyant seal]

or same time can be spent into self studies, and earning each time more and more money by having better salary 😏

[vapid jay]

I feel like instead of sitting around trying to prove everyone might as well try business

[digital fjord]

If you're in a position where you can do so, go for it if you want.

[fringe sphinx]

I have started my own company before. This can mean many different things.

[vapid jay]

N hows it going

[vapid jay]

Its more like i should than want. Everyone doing much better with starting business than finding job

[fringe sphinx]

It's good when you make $$.

[fringe sphinx]

But, I had experience and a good network. That's a big part.

[vapid jay]

What kinda business is urs

[wary urchin]

Hello Everyone

[digital fjord]

The absolute vast majority of businesses fail.

[vapid jay]

Trueee. Trial n error

[digital fjord]

if you can afford the errors, it's a good bet

[fringe sphinx]

Eh, it's such a weird metric that gets tossed around. It's like saying: the vast majority of people die. 🙂

iirc, the stats say: if you make it past the first year or two, you have a good chance of making it to 10 years... or something like that.

[digital fjord]

yup, there is a specific point you have to make it past to sustain operation

the vast majority of businesses never do

[indigo escarp]

Hello everyone.

I'm stuck... Where can I find jobs, or freelance?
I have tried and failed... I don't know what to do anymore.

[pine sleet]

you can find jobs on linkedin. but we can't help you more without more information. what exactly is going wrong? what's your background?

[indigo escarp]

I've tried... I finally find a job I qualify for but I get rejected because I'm Nigerian 💀

[pine sleet]

sounds illegal

[fringe sphinx]

Are you in a different country than the job?

[quartz delta]

Does anyone have any advice on how to start coding in python?

[pine sleet]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

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[quartz delta]

Thanks

[thick mango]

hi

[lilac sundial]

Is it possible to get SDE-2 with 2 yoe

Or are they looking for 4-5yrs for that role

[deft herald]

Who is they?

[lilac sundial]

Uh companiws

[deft herald]

What is SDE-2 then? Seems like a very company specific thing

[humble sparrow]

can anyone help me pls (I need to make a heart) (it is a homework assignment) (I am going to fail 😦 )

[umbral frigate]

You're in the wrong channel, ask for help in #1035199133436354600

[humble sparrow]

ok

[hallow fiber]

Guys, I started to learn Python. First time learning a programming language. I'm currently doing the 12-hour tutorial by Bro Code to learn the basics. I'm planning on doing a programming course at Auckland University. Any tips? I literally started programming 2 days ago

[vapid jay]

[vapid jay]

Chat, how cooked is the industry actually? Stuff I see on social media. Is all that true?

[pine sleet]

its a bit cooked but many people are still finding jobs so its doable

[vapid jay]

What’s causing it to cook? Too many people? Too little jobs? Some other aspect?

[pine sleet]

not really sure as for the cause. i think swe job postings on linkedin are down, if that's an indicator

[vapid jay]

Damn

[balmy spade]

Is everything you see on social media true? No.

Is the industry cooked? Which industry and what does cooked mean to you in this context. Are we still in the hiring frenzy of 2020? Nope. Are we doing better than the dot com burst? Oh hell yeah.

[vapid jay]

How is AI and its advancement going to affect this?

Good, bad?

[balmy spade]

Yes. It will do both.

AI and its advancements have been around for decades. It's cracked open opportunity and measurable scientific progress. It will continue to do so. The advent of LLMs that are popular today will continue to reshape how we interact with technology on various levels. There will be positive gains and negative.

[vapid jay]

What do you think about these big tech CEOs saying coding and programming is dead and won’t be needed in the near future? Especially once AGO is achieved

[balmy spade]

I think that they couldn't define AGO (AGI?) if asked. I think their claims that coding is dead is hilariously out of touch of their own hiring boards.

[vapid jay]

Sam Altman low key scares me. Sometimes he also acts like zucc when he speaks

[balmy spade]

Can't say I pay much attention to either of them.

[final ravine]

Do they say that?

[silver oyster]

Hello guys

[hearty totem]

Yes, they do. A lot. I hear a lot of CEOs saying that they will never hire a programmer ever again. I hear that for the last two years. Most of those companies have since failed or started hiring programmers in desperation of fixing their completely broken product.

[final ravine]

I've not heard that

[lavish fiber]

I want to work on real world projects now any suggestion?

[silver lily]

It's not true, there's a lot of studies that proves where AI won't be able to replace programmers anytime soon, if ever
It's because programs from AI is very buggy and a lot of errors
AI is surely a helpful tool, but it's just that, so don't worry

https://youtu.be/BGZB9dn0GV4?si=f4GWB_5HY1RKscRs
Check this out, also comments and if you want, check also studies on your own

[gritty rivet]

You could look for issues on GitHub and jump right in... Here are some ideas: https://github.com/MunGell/awesome-for-beginners

Or you could build your own project to solve any problem you happen to care about

[lavish fiber]

Thankyou i will check it out. Any tip for beginner like me ?

[summer ocean]

Hi, im looking for opinions and suggestions on Cybersecurity vs AI for career. In terms of job availability, future market and the scope for doing a business in the field. Currently in my IGCSEs. Need to decide for Bsc

[peak halo]

I think they're both solid options and that it depends on which one is more appealing to you. Keep in mind that AI is application of theoretical math, so if you're not interested to learn a lot of theoretical math, you should consider other options.

[summer ocean]

Im more interested in cyber due to the technicality aspect. But am i true that for AI there is a scope of innovation in a sense that i may be able to do smth of my own in the future instead of job. While cyber is more kob-based.?

[fringe sphinx]

You're asking a few different questions here. First, career != education. You can study AI and get a job in cybersecurity, or vice versa.

"AI" also is not really a career. The career is what you do in that field. SWEing, AI, Data, etc all huge fields with many specialties and differeing levels of education. You want to be a data scientist? ML Programming? AI/ML Ops? Data Engineer? etc

And lastly: Uni programs vary greatly. What some schools called cyber or AI are CS programs with a few electives... other schools have fully separate programs... and other schools might be hybrid degrees (ie: a crossover of Math and CS)

So - take your time and understand the university program. Start learning about the career paths, and finding out what people do after graduation - it's not all the same type of job.

[shy willow]

So, I was recently "let go", and I have several years of Python + Data Science + ML + advanced degrees.

What are my chances? There is plenty saved up, so not really desperate.

I am thinking in setting up a hobby project, building a RAG from scratch. Not because it can be turned into an actual app, but more for the demonstrative experience.

[peak halo]

if you have years of experience as a professional ML engineer, you shouldn't need to do any portfolio projects.

[surreal sonnet]

um i want to learn DSA so like can someone give me basics of DSA and what things i have to know already in order to learn DSA

[shy willow]

the recruiter at Meta recommended DSA practice, and there are other ML related topics that need to be reviewed

both of which I feel I should do. My DSA is rusty, and one can always review the math. They recommended breadth over depth

[fringe sphinx]

Step 1, no matter what, is to prepare the best resume you can based on today.

[shy willow]

yeah, it's been a few years. Out of practice with so many things

[fringe sphinx]

Step 2 - work your network: friends/family/colleagues/classmates/etc. I'd recommend not being "needy", just chat with people and see what they're up to, etc.

Step 3 - refresh. It's easy to get out of touch with the state of the industry. #python-discussion is super helpful. So is watching conference videos to see state-of-the-art: EuroPython & PyCon are where I'd start.

You can share your resume here, anonymized, for critique. Your first draft usually sucks.

[shy willow]

do you see any utility in acquiring Mojo / Modular knowledge?

[fringe sphinx]

Short answer: No.

Longer answer: Search job postings for keywords to get a sense of demands. It's not perfect, but it's helpful.

(I doubt you'll see Mojo in any posts)

[shy willow]

OK, this sounds like solid, standard advice.

[fringe sphinx]

That's my specialty. Any dad advice, I'm your guy.

You asked about DSA: I think DSA's importance is exaggerated... but any experienced dev should find leetcode easy's fairly easy.

[surreal sonnet]

?

[fringe sphinx]

(or hackerrank, etc)

[shy willow]

not really dislocated / confused. Actually relieved. That places was stagnant, and I was just putting off the resignation until they did me the favor, so to speak

[fringe sphinx]

Were you at Meta?

[shy willow]

Oh no, not there. I am interviewing with Meta right now

[fringe sphinx]

Oh. They just had a big round of layoffs, so who knows.

[shy willow]

they are laying off underperformers, and (less advertised) non US persons.

[fringe sphinx]

That underperformer thing is a really shitty thing for them to say.

[shy willow]

but there is a large push to hire more MLEs

[fringe sphinx]

Everyone who just left is now labelled an underperformer. Good luck rebounding a job after that.

[shy willow]

well, they can still put Meta on their resume. Everyone knows that these statements should be taken with a grain of salt.

Generally speaking, though, my take on it is that managers picked someone they didn't like for various reasons, slapped that underperformer label on them, and off they went. That is more likely than not, IMO

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I don't really have an issue with routine layoffs, it's just a part of business... I just think Meta was shitty about how they did it.

[shy willow]

Agreed!

note that they are no longer offering 100% remote. Relocation mandatory.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I take all of this as a belt-tightening / cost cutting shift. We'll see this across FAANG, presumably.

tech works in cycles

[shy willow]

the reason I was thinking of that RAG project (langgraph, etc), was to stay ahead of the curve. There are many off-the-shelf AI services that abstract away the need for programmers. I am not sure what the long term prospects for LLMs are, but currently they are undergoing explosive growth as foundations for products.

[vapid jay]

An industry within tech I can get into through self-learning.. and it pays well

[shy willow]

Furthermore, at a local conference, the Google rep was clear about understanding LLMs and the underpinning mathematics as preconditions for consideration. Another AI expert stateed that Agentic AI was going to be the Next Big Thing

[fringe sphinx]

tbh, I think everyone is going to have some RAG project on their resume.

I'm a breadth over depth guy, when looking for a job.

[shy willow]

someone mentioned that the T shape was ideal

by autistic in one topic, but have a little of everything else

[fringe sphinx]

That presumes breadth as a precondition, tho.

[shy willow]

right, breadth is important. But you need depth in one thing.

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not convinced of that.

[shy willow]

I think that it is unavoidable. You will, with time, become an expert in some niche. But you really cannot contribute creatively without that depth. The Meta (and recruiting at a large org, generally) recommendation has more to do with matching to various teams. So there are 2 stages: hiring stage, where you try to market yourself to as many internal teams as possible, hence the breadth; and general problem solving, where you can bring in ideas from physics into optimization tasks in completely unrelated domains.

[fringe sphinx]

I'm old. I've had many specialties, as the job requires. I'm the sum of my experience - but my value has always been my breadth.

[shy willow]

At least within ML, focus on mathematics / statistics. What programming language, deployment platform, database style, that seems to be what varies with time. Also, where you probably will spend most of your learning time

I am not young, either.

[fringe sphinx]

There's more to "specialization" than the tech or math or coding, etc. Domain / industry / customer knowledge is a big part of it too. If anything, what I do is go deep on the business / domain.

[shy willow]

Oh, domain is a HUGE part of it.

how could I have forgotten that lol

[deft herald]

Can confirm. Domain knowledge is very valuable

[modest panther]

Is there a vaccine for iq?

[fringe sphinx]

What?

[modest panther]

I want a 160 iq

https://www.pfizer.com/products/product-list

the pfizer product list is by name

[fringe sphinx]

Don't know what you expect, but troll elsewhere

[modest panther]

Sorry i thought this was off topic

[gloomy gate]

Hey so I'm a beginner.
One thing I always saw myself doing in future as a job is writing codes, be it front end or back end, helping companies in building apps. But I'm starting to think that's not the best career option with all the advancements in AI. Is it solid?
If yes, what course is best to take in uni, n if not, what's a better alternative?

[pulsar talon]

anyone know what makes rust so hard to decompile

[peak halo]

this would be a question for one of the off-topic channels.

[peak halo]

code-generation AI will probably become increasingly capable as a tool for developers, but it's not guaranteed or even likely that it will eliminate software development as an occupation.

[spiral ferry]

MyString = "abcdef"
count = 0

for x in MyString:
if (x == "f"):
count += 1
elif (x == "c"):
pass
else:
print(x)

print(count) whats output

[peak halo]

it seems that you could answer this by running it, but you should use a help channel for this (see #❓｜how-to-get-help)

[shy willow]

Code generation is going to replace, or replacing, 90% of stack overflow. Good starting point

[fringe sphinx]

Arguably, the code generation was trained heavily on SO. Many GPT answers are almost direct copies. I'm curious what happens if that cycle of content creation is broken.

[peak halo]

it will probably remain stable for common or straightforward questions, but collapse for niche questions.

[vapid jay]

nope, github gave a way bigger corpus

[fringe sphinx]

Code volume isn't everything

[vapid jay]

agreed much more to software than just code writing

[vapid jay]

it is tho

if you're using paid versions, you'll notice its not SO answers anymore

[fringe sphinx]

I do. And I do.

[plush summit]

Is it Just me or does it feel like data engineers have way less knowledge then programmers but earn the same

[peak halo]

I've never heard anyone say this before, so it's probably your specific circumstances that have caused you to perceive this

I'm also not sure why you're talking about data engineers and programmers as though they're mutually exclusive. One is a subclass of the other.

[plush summit]

I mean a lot of data engineers suck at coding from personal expierience

[vapid jay]

check on your data enggs
they're not doing fine this year

[plush summit]

I mean their salary on indeed look good

[digital fjord]

is their job to be good at coding?

[plush summit]

But they get paid a bit less than software devs but compared to what you do they get paid a lot imo

[digital fjord]

I'm probably a better programmer than your average physicst using simpy to do their thing, but that doesn't mean the physicist has way less knowledge than me

[plush summit]

A data engineer does i think a programmer can be easily a data engineer but not the other way around

[digital fjord]

What makes you believe that?

[peak halo]

I'm not sure where you're getting these ideas. "programmer" is generic. Data engineers are a type of programmer who write certain types of programs.

[plush summit]

Data analist then
Im not englisch

[peak halo]

Those are different occupations.
Analysts who use python are expected to be knowledgeable in statistics and have knowledge in the subject matter that they're analyzing. They're not necessarily expected to be "good at" programming from a software design perspective.

[plush summit]

Yeah meant that but like data analists get paid a lot for what they do most of them Just write simple scripts and use power bi

[peak halo]

How do you know that the scripts are "simple"?

Actually, better question: why should they be complicated?

[plush summit]

Not saying that Just get paid a lot for those have done data analist work myself

[hard locust]

I think a lot of programmers don't write good code and among those ppl I think they come from plenty of different backgrounds and do different stuff. I am sure there's various professional Java/general software code that is worse for what they are doing than some code data scientists are writing for code they're doing. Bad stuff is everywhere, by ppl from anywhere.

[fringe sphinx]

Not at all, we get paid more 🙂 /j

But, perhaps the observation is that there are different skills involved in data engineering... like actually understanding the domain and working with the business.

Oh, you're equating data analysts and data engineers? Different jobs anyway

[shy willow]

Bad code gets written because people are often under unrealistic time pressures.

Expect bad code. It's the default state.

[hearty island]

it's usually bc of bad project management, as i recently discovered.

i've managed to get so much recognition from senior directors at my firm bc i paid attention to SLAs and deadlines

honestly every PM should have a PMP or a CAPM

when i say SLAs i'm referring to service level agreements, for anyone wondering.

[fringe sphinx]

Oblig quote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgg9byUy-V4&t=53s

[hearty island]

would you say this is a red flag/warning sign: "it's not in our firm culture to recognize good work. a lot of my work get brushed under the rug and no recognition happens."

[lapis wind]

I would say so, yes

[hearty island]

i'm just a bit concerned. i don't know if i'm on a PIP and if i am, my manager is obligated to tell me. she said i'm not, but she gave me a partially successful (the ratings go unsuccsesful, partially succsessful, succsessful, distinguished) in 3 categories with a successful in one.

https://tenor.com/view/delusional-gif-20228922

idk if i should bring this up during my skip level, it's been on my mind for weeks

[lapis wind]

Tbh does it matter either way? If you feel like your work isn't being recognised or that your work is actually not up to par but they're not telling you what the issues are or where to improve, i'd be looking for a different job regardless of pip or not

not from a "they're gonna fire me" POV, but from a "I cannot grow in this environment"

[hearty island]

what i don't understand is why she's putting such high-risk projects on my shoulders. why put such high-risk projects on your weakest link?

[true harness]

it seems we're missing a lot of context

[lapis wind]

There could be a lot of reasons depending on all sorts of things 😅 But probably the more likely thing is, do you think you are the weakest link, or is that what you know they think about you

and yeah, there is definitely missing context and a lot of blanks that make it hard to say with any certainty

[hearty island]

yea this issue has been festering for a while. i have an incentive comp update on the 27th or so

[lapis wind]

I recommend not letting a ton of negative feeling bottle up or stack up, it's ultimiately going to either cause you to burn out or get some serious mental health issues, or both

[hearty island]

yea. i've been waking up at 3 am for this project and staying till 7 pm. very frustrating.

[lapis wind]

I would highly recommend not doing that

[hearty island]

i highly agree with you

[lapis wind]

it is just a negative thing for everyone involved

[hearty island]

blud is literally working goldman sachs hours.

[lapis wind]

out of curiosity but what seniority level are you in terms of career?

[hearty island]

entry-level, 6 months in.

[lapis wind]

Oh man, you should probably speak to your line manager and try and sort out A) getting you into more reasonable and consistent working hours and B) getting some sort of decent feedback and explaining that you feel like you're the weakest link

[hearty island]

i do 7 projects a week compared to my coworkers' respective 2 each. and i understand it's not a competition, but it's kinda scary.

[lapis wind]

Is there like... A reason why you are doing all that? Or well, a better thing would be, what sort of "projects" are these vs the projecst your coworkers do. And why do you feel the need to try and rush though so many

[hearty island]

i get assigned them, my boss tells me to do them, and i do them. these projects tend to be cross-departmental.

with high visibility execs. 1 of my coworkers just became a full time guy

[lapis wind]

doing what? are they big tasks? Are they short tasks? are you interacting with others in the team and other teams? (well tbh they really should be giving you tasks that try and encourage getting you up to speed with tings and co-workers etc..)

[hearty island]

for example i'm working on a project that changes the way my SRO (self reg org) does exams for firms

[lapis wind]

and are those the sorts of projects your co workers are also doing?

[hearty island]

no the projects my coworkers are doing are relatively minute

[lapis wind]

When you get changes to be reviewed, do you get lots of comments and feedback? Or is just approved with nothing else

[hearty island]

redline every last word, but the changes are extremely pedantic.

[lapis wind]

can you give some examples?

[hearty island]

she'll replace words with synonyms, say "add rah rah", say my writing is too concise and effective, but doesn't hold enthusiasm. her method of editing is adding fluff to already concise writing. this is backed up by her ex coworker as well

[deft herald]

Wow either they're pushing you or you're pushing yourself way too hard for 6mo into your career

[hearty island]

i've always pushed myself tbh, but idk what to do anymore.

[lapis wind]

are you on good terms with your managers, manger? 😅

[hearty island]

i am, but she hardly has time for me. my manager is on extremely good terms with her.

[deft herald]

Definitely take it up with your manager.

[lapis wind]

Others may have a different takes but somewhat seems like your manager is just really not doing her job

[hearty island]

she wrote nothing on my performance review

[deft herald]

If your manager has no time for you, you gotta escalate to their boss

[lapis wind]

actually maybe a better question, who is your senior developer/team lead? her? (do I even want to know this awnser?)

[hearty island]

senior lead is not her, senior lead is above her. my manager is the assoc director.

[lapis wind]

Wtf kind of team structure is this lol

[hearty island]

heck if i know. i pitched using microsoft planner for my deliverables, thinking my boss would care. she brushed it off saying "whatever makes you happy."

[lapis wind]

So you do have some senior and mid-level developers in your team right?

[hearty island]

the new hire is a principal analyst, so yes. but he's so busy drinking the kool-aid if i tell him anything he'll run to mommy

[lapis wind]

I mean like actual senior developers though not analysts or scientists or PMs

[hearty island]

sorry that sounds rude and vindictive.

no everyone's either associate or principal. no one is actually senior.

[lapis wind]

😅 honestly I would stop working those insane hours and put those hours into finding a new job

[deft herald]

Honestly you should be telling all this to your manager. This is exactly the kind of stuff that it's their job to deal with

[hearty island]

she'll say i can't handle it

[deft herald]

And yeah, they shouldn't expect more than 8 hours from you a day

[hearty island]

her first day managing me she said she focuses on negative feedback over positive feedback bc positive feedback is too "obvious"

[lapis wind]

Tbh, if you are in the state, where... You are a 6 month in junior, you dont actually have a senior developer or someone who actually knows the code well and can guide you. And the entire team structure seems to be a mess of positions and idek. I don't think there is much you can really do

Like, outside of however little they're paying you, you are gaining nothing out of this other than stress and burnout...

[hearty island]

my mom says i look like a shadow of myself and that i hardly come out of my room besides gym or food or showering

i have like 15-20 meetings a day

[deft herald]

What? Those are called conversations

Even if you had 30 min meetings, that would be 10 hours straight...

[hearty island]

whatever they are, they demand me to context switch

my manager doesn't like to talk to me during the day

[lapis wind]

Overall then, I don't think there is any better advise we can give than, look for a new job, but obviously do enough to still hold down your current job (don't do the insane hours tho) then leave as soon as you have a new position lined up

[hearty island]

i wanna become an examiner under a diff mgr

[lapis wind]

If it is the way you say, you're not fixing it, just get out asap

[hearty island]

not sure if i mentioned this, boss will out from may to august 2025.

[balmy spade]

A perfect time to find a less toxic environment to work.

[hearty island]

yep. already shooting apps out like nobody's biz since that review.

[fringe sphinx]

you're also in an unusual pseudo-government bureaucracy. What's normal in this environment is going to be very different than outside. Your review may be for reasons other than your performance.

[hearty island]

my friend told me that HR has started an initiative to give people more partially successful and unsuccessful reviews

[fringe sphinx]

I've seen this... it's an old GE / Jack Welch-ism.

[hearty island]

to create a bell curve

[fringe sphinx]

Yup. I had to do that.

[hearty island]

did i mention we have an RTO policy? they're trying to cause as much attrition as possible.

[fringe sphinx]

Of course you do

[hearty island]

2 times in the office starting april (woooo)

[fringe sphinx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitality_curve is what I was referring to

[hearty island]

right.... but i'm outperforming my coworker in terms of the complexity and the quantity of projects

it's like she's playing favorites

[fringe sphinx]

Sure, but why are they the favorite?

[hearty island]

she's been here longer

[fringe sphinx]

There you go.

[hearty island]

i'm like the black sheep. the other hire is more senior, the one i just mentioned has been here longer. there's no fucking winning here

[fringe sphinx]

Or perhaps it doesn't matter and it's just performative.

[hearty island]

idk

if it was performative, why not give a rationale?

[fringe sphinx]

Why? Manager was forced to give out ratings. (Probably) Had to meet bell curve, and you're new so you're expected to need improvement.

[hearty island]

ok, if i am not given what i need to improve on specifically, how will i know what to improve on?

the conversation was so general, i tried to drill down and she didn't have answers prepped

[true harness]

i think they are a project manager, not a dev

[hearty island]

sort of more like a project analyst

[brazen sky]

hi

[lilac quarry]

What's a mostly normal job where I can do a little bit of code to starting getting experience? Data entry? An internship?

[balmy spade]

Sure, either of those. Support desk is another that can be easier to get into.

[summer ocean]

@fringe sphinx , alright mate. Thanks. Might dm you for any uni program related query.

[peak badger]

does data entry hv coding related tasks?

[keen pilot]

dude i have my computer practical day after

[chilly furnace]

It's just harder. Squidgame

[vale blade]

yo

[brave cove]

Hi

[uncut bay]

Should I start choosing my specialization as soon as I start learning to code? Right now I'm learning python through learnpython.org and have built a very simple to do app that works in the terminal (no UI).

[proud glacier]

Try a lot of things. There's absolutely no reason to lock yourself in to one thing this early.

[wind nexus]

Guys why do people choose java or c++ if theres an easier coding language(python)

[digital fjord]

Often, because they already have a ton of code and expertise (employees, internal documentation, tooling, workflows) in those languages. For new projects, it could be about wanting to use the languages ecosystem -- Python is often adopted for machine learning because Python machine learning libraries are just that good.
Past that, there are technical constraints which may strongly discourage you from using Python, e.g. needing thread-based parallelism, easy distribution, needing precise control over memory layout or severe CPU bounds on your program -- you can use Python and still work around all of this in various ways, but it is not an area where Python shines.
And sometimes it's just personal preference.

[wind nexus]

Nice

[hearty island]

huh?

[brave cove]

When you learn python do you guys would watch book way?

[ornate violet]

youtbe its great

[past zealot]

making a computer science CV, how long should a "personal statement" be, and should it be included in the first place?

[buoyant seal]

People may choose Golang, C#, Java instead
Because when their goals include coding dozens/hundreds thousands code lines
Using language that has static typing ( strictly defined types int, double, string, data struct ) makes far easier actually writing with some coding architecture and adhering to written code interfaces correctly before runtime.
You are able to write a lot of code and be confident that all issues related to correct function/methods calls and input/output handling are resolved correctly before the runtime!
All that makes really easy refactoring / code cleanup / rearranging it further as it grows in size.

As long as u write code unit testable it eventually becomes (with iterative process) perfect in its quality with minimal human time effort input. All the stuff that can be validated by machine is done by it, and u just see red lines where u made mistakes and need to correct before runtime.

It is very liberating/freeing in how much more complex stuff u can write with lesser brain effort.

• Also python is very slow (20 times slower than normal languages)
• also python did not have real multi threading for a long time
  That severely limited scope of where it is apply able (in general sucked for all desktop user interfaces at least)

[wind nexus]

Damn thanks

[buoyant seal]

So... Python comes with ability easier to write first 100 code lines, but it comes at a great technical debt cost how much difficult it will be to write next thousands code lines.

Yes static typed languages somewhat more difficult in the beginning and more verbose, but they become much easier languages to write in with more thousands code lines.

Allowing you even if u student to write easier very complex stuff u just can't achieve sanely in scripting language.

Also c# has special ecosystem for easier making windows desktop apps
And Java/Kotlin have ecosystem for native Android applications, it unlocks the most feature richness to do it with least amount of abstractions to go through on this way

Also when u use language like Golang(c# should be able too) u are able to build static binary files for easy download and start using at any OS without downloading interpreter or any dependencies. That makes it very comfy for CI tools at least

[wind nexus]

Thank you for taking your time to answering my question thoroughly. I appreciate that.

[fringe sphinx]

I think personal statements are generally unimportant, unless you have something interesting to say that's not evident from the resume. Most of the time, they're pointless: 'I'm a hard working, motivated, smart person who you should hire'

[wind nexus]

So a person who has learnt python can learn other languages like c or java easily? What about lua?

[digital fjord]

It is much easier to learn a second programming language than the first

[wind nexus]

Oh

[past zealot]

yeah, i agree, im a second year student, trying to apply for an internship. Our placement (starts next year) manager was saying that to include a personal statement (but for placements next year), the one im applying for right now is a one that I found myself. So you're saying to not include them yeah? Like does writing personal statements depends on the level of programming you at (e.g. i am second year cs)

[buoyant seal]

It is often easy to start using some languages, but it can be large in ecosystem / best practices
It can take year/years of time investment to be able using it for any type of problem solving, easily being able to use, being time efficient in solving it's quirks. Knowing how to with with it in the way of least problems later.

Here can be told about C++ which is sort of human lifetime commitment. It will occupy plenty of your learning capacity

On another hand small languages without much of ecosystem or best practices can be having very little impact on your learning capacity.

You are limited by natural limitation of being a single human, with limited lifetime to perfect everything.
U can be knowing in crappy way everything, but highly likely u will be able to know limited amount of languages in depth. You have only so much work practice and free time to practice after all

[buoyant seal]

So... Just second, and third language is certainly within human limits to know very in depth

U can even try dozen of languages, just be aware that highly likely your usage is at the level of Jack of all trades

U could be wishing to perfect in depth choices u discovered u like, and tried building all kind of projects with them

[wind nexus]

Okay.

[fringe sphinx]

What's your statement now? Some generic thing?

[buoyant seal]

At the beginning it is good approach to just try everything, even if it means trying dozen of them

Just for the sake of discovering what u can appreciate to work with. That strongly matters to make career way easier

Working with what u can enjoy/appreciate, boosts your learning speed / helps using it a lot in free time

[wind nexus]

Thats good.

[hearty island]

phew it’s only sunday and i’m fucking exhausted

[past zealot]

Well, to add some personality and stuff, I was going to say how i got into computer science through the development of discord bots (discord.py) and learning Python and so on and how it ultimately led to pursue studying cs. Like is that too "corny" and generic

[hearty island]

is this what workplace burnout feels like

[fringe sphinx]

That's not a personal statement, that's more like a cover letter

[hearty island]

i can’t stop thinking about work man it’s really getting to me

[past zealot]

oh so personal statements strictly have to be smth like "a cs student who is hardworking etc."?

i searched online for short personal statements, but as you said, it was just one page long cover letters (i thought they were personal statements)

[fringe sphinx]

Depends what we're talking about. Personal statement means different things in different contexts.

Google 'personal statements resume' for examples, not just personal statement

[hearty island]

it’s definitely a cover letter, you need solid facts to demonstrate your knowledge regarding the role and what you can offer them

[fringe sphinx]

A short statement that has been tailored to a specific internship opportunity (not company specific, but expressing an interest in the industry and/or technology) makes sense to me. A generic: I'm super awesome hire me is pointless

[hearty island]

assemble the facts, create an outline with 3 bullet points per section, speed write a draft, spend double the time to edit

that’s what i’d say

this is what i do for work now and my boss recognizes it as a great writing process. i learned it from a book i “borrowed” from harvard

i did not go to harvard lol

[past zealot]

ah I get it now! Also sorry, but when i google them, it's just long cover letters but not short statements

[hearty island]

you want to say what you’re going to say relatively quickly so it’s skimmable. use precise and exacting language.

[past zealot]

thank you for that!

[hearty island]

here’s the writing method in referring to

https://impactfulspeaking.substack.com/p/the-flowers-paradigm-a-comprehensive

learn business communication and improve your technical writing skills, it’ll pay dividends

stop using chat gpt to write stuff too, honestly. you’ll learn your own style as you keep writing

my org suspended chat GPT bc of how sensitive our data is so we’re all left to our own writing methods and stuff

so i’ve done a lot of research on this matter

[brave cove]

[hearty island]

yea, we don’t fuck with chat gpt

[buoyant seal]

That being said, some languages are used for their ability to control memory more precisely
(C++, rust, C)

And they could be having ecosystem towards desired application type
(C++ has unreal gaming engine at least for game dev)

Properties for memory control and small program size can be important in Embeded development at least
Or in game dev / extra large desktop apps (browser)

So... Depending on chosen area/platform target.. different languages can flare significantly better than others
General purpose they can be, yet nobody codes Web backend app in C usually
Or nobody tries making mobile app in Ruby/PHP probably

[wind nexus]

Woah thx

[serene coral]

Can someone help me with being able to set a website up on a domain i purchased? I have server witrh hetzner id ont know how to do it

[past zealot]

Hey (sorry for the ping and distraction) when you're writing a personal statement, for e.g. to Google. In terms of your resume being "tailored" to that company, would you say "eager to work for Google" or "eager to work within a multinational". Like do you let them know directly, this resume is tailored for them or indirectly do it but not explicitly mention them?

[fringe sphinx]

Neither: both "eager to work for Google" or "multinational" don't show any interest other than: "you want a job".

Say something about your interests... waht you want to do with your experience and knowledge.

[true harness]

everyone that is applying to that job is "eager to work for Google"

[past zealot]

ahhh that's smart, was going to expand on that "(listing some things they said in the what they offer)", but that's a good idea, thank you very much bro!

[past zealot]

well, yea lol, but i just saying that for example purposes in it's simplest form but yea i get you tho!

[fluid spindle]

Is there a trustworthy guide about learning python?

[fleet reef]

!resources
This is #career-advice
Use #python-discussion to talk about learning Python

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[fluid spindle]

Thx

[fathom rune]

Hello everyone, im a 11th grade student. And i have a question to you guys. I have some basic coding skills and i really want to know how i can build my career. I mean what sources could really help to achieve that and is there a plan. Could u give me an advice or share your story about how u became a coder

Im applying to some colleges right now for data science and ml. IS college that important if u want to come to IT industry, i mean do colleges provide hard skills which u will use in your future job

Cuz i heard that getting a degree is not that neccessary if u want to become a coder

[fringe sphinx]

A university degree is extremely important, and (for most intents and purposes) required.

[fringe sphinx]

I'd normally ask: "Where'd you hear that?" but - it's a common reddit or influencer comment that isn't true.

(assuming "become a coder" = "land a job as a professional software engineer")

The exceptions are people who gain experience or knowledge doing other things first.

[fathom rune]

I was watching some russian youtubers and they said this. But i really started questioning myself after hearing that

[regal axle]

This used to be true. And on a “technical” level, it is “technically” true. But ummmm no, you need one.

[fathom rune]

So if u want to become a software engineer, university is really important part ?

[fringe sphinx]

University is a necessary, but not sufficient, condition, yes.

[regal crown]

hi

[fringe sphinx]

(again, there are exceptions and I'm trying to give good advice... not cover the exceptions)

[fathom rune]

Ahh, i see

[regal crown]

im nob in python

[regal axle]

The only way you can get away without a degree, is if you do your own practice (like freelancing). But even then, it’s super hard to get clients.
The path of least resistance is to get a degree. And that is the start, like BillyBob is saying; it takes a bit more to actually stand out and qualify for intro positions.

[fringe sphinx]

So, back to your first question: what do do while in high school?

1. Take math seriously - find the joy in math... math class might be boring, but math is very interesting and mathematical thinking is helpful... even tho coding is very different.
2. Learn to program - do fun things... you don't need to "grind" ... there's so much to learn, you don't need to worry about a roadmap or optimizing your journey
3. Talk to people, learn about the tech industry, etc. Hang out in #python-discussion

[fathom rune]

But right now it is like that: in my free time i always try to learn something new in coding, in software engineering and i do not know really know what i should study next i dont have a particular plan. Could u guys give me some advices of what should i learn first and how. Just briefly (if u want to tell your full road, we can go to DM)

[fringe sphinx]

4. Join clubs, like Robotics/etc.

[fringe sphinx]

See the first Pin in #python-discussion . That's a bunch of good learning resources for beginners.

[fathom rune]

Oh, i got it

[fathom rune]

Thank you a lot guys

[proud glacier]

Try a little bit from a lot of different areas. Try making command-line utilities, games, GUI apps, do some electronics with things like Arduino, make some websites, etc.

[fathom rune]

Thanks bro, appreciate that 👍

[main cove]

Hello, im finishing Python Crash Course 3rd edition by Eric Matthes and I don't know which book i should buy next . Iv seen that people recommend Fluent Python for the next one after PCC but i want to ask you guys.

I'm learning python because i want to change a job, get into tech

[peak halo]

what are your current credentials?

[burnt glade]

Hey

[velvet sigil]

I’ve already learned a lot of basics, and I am considering getting a degree for cs, I have a bachelors already in graphic design so I could go for a masters in cs- would it be too high level for someone who’s just learned the basics? I’ve also worked with linux GitHub iac containers pipelines etc not sure how much of that is in masters cs degree tho

[queen glade]

Hey folks! I’m looking for an amazing female teammate to join me for a hackathon in Delhi. If you're a wizard at turning machine learning models into sleek, interactive frontends, we need to connect! Let’s build something mind-blowing together. Slide into my DMs if you’re up for the challenge!

[true harness]

cs isn't about learning practical tools. instead you learn things like data structures and algorithms, etc. there are "conversion ms" programs which are suitable for career changers, also, but i haven't looked at these

[grave acorn]

Where can i place my resume?

[barren forge]

would someone be up to build a bot that auto retweets twitter posts of people who i have followed

[whole flare]

!rule paid

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[barren forge]

thats so weird

[plush summit]

it isn t also has nothing to do with career

[regal axle]

you can send it here. If you want, you can mark-out your personal info
Make sure to send a high quality, easy to read image.

[vapid jay]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-clown-meme-clown-makeup-tiktok-meme-gif-5027002171813147364

[mortal wedge]

I’m interviewing with Meta right now… is it reasonable to ask them what’s going on with all the layoffs? The role would have me relocate and if I get laid off…

[lapis wind]

Not really an answer to your original question, but quite frankly with how a lot of companies are like ATM, I personally wouldn't do any significant relocation or long term assumption on the idea that they won't do layoffs, or that I'll even stay around for a long time

There is a lot of missing context and things, and it's obviously different from company to company. But especially FAANG and friends, I'm not sure I could have any real confidence of staying with them for several years

Depends how big the relocation is and how much it would affect you to move there and then possibly move back or out

[fringe sphinx]

You can ask. But my prediction is: you won't get a real answer. They'll say "it was low performers". You won't know the truth one way or another. That said, layoffs aren't necessarily a bad thing - companies need to re-focus/etc at times, and not every hire is a good fit.

[fringe sphinx]

You really have to decide - do you think Meta is going to do well over the next 2-5 years, or not? if not, then it'll be layoffs every year

[near ocean]

If you hire so many bad fits that you have to mass fire them what does it say about the company

[fringe sphinx]

I consider this situation as fairly normal (for big tech)

Hiring is really hard and unpredictable. If you grow rapidly, you're going to make a significant amount of "bad hires".

And, big companies have so many processes that make it hard to fire the bad hires when you should... so they get kept on the books until the next "layoff"

That said: I think it's terrible how Meta did this - calling all these people underperformers. Great way to f--- with their job search.

And, most certainly, not all of them are underperformers. I bet that every team was told to submit a list of 5% of their teams for the layoff.

I've been in that situation.

[mortal wedge]

It does kind of gross me out that they’re all being labeled as low performers. If it was “we laid off everyone on PIPs” that may be one thing but one person got an email that referred to his performance which was listed as “medical leave”
It would seriously upend my life to take the position. I know big tech is good for resumes and they’d pay me a lot if money but if they decided to do layoffs once a month or something I’d be screwed

I emailed them we’ll see what I hear back. And yeah it screws with their job search and like I’m not even entirely sure it’s legal. I know California has a lot of laws about what a company can say if someone asks about your prior employment.

But yeah I have friends, family, and property here. There’s another job I have to choose from that’s paying WAY lower but seems to be a chill place and I wouldn’t have to relocate

[shy willow]

My former employer stated that they do not respond to requests for employment verification

So basically, they create zero chances for legal repercussions, at either end of the parties involved. I think this works well.

[cursive axle]

Anyone here who is choosing citizen identity as career

[cursive axle]

" Look how much you have grown....... "
-Professor David J. Malan

[pine sleet]

congrats!

[cursive axle]

thx

[stoic notch]

congratulations

[stoic notch]

Did you find CS50x useful? Would you recommend it?

[cursive axle]

100%

[stoic notch]

alr ill check it out, thank you

[cursive axle]

David J Malan is the best teacher i ever had

[stoic notch]

i agree lol, im in cs50p and intro to cyber sec, learnt so much ngl

[cursive axle]

yea

[hollow pier]

hey i was just questionning, have you done this in personn or online, does the diff matter ?. i'm searching to have good knowledge of python and network, but with a certifate so i can prove it easily.

[proud glacier]

CS50 is online only, there's no in-person version — unless you're actually a student at Harvard University.

[hollow pier]

yea ok, with what i do i have an offer to spend a semester in harvard. but i'm sure considering i'm into economy, they'll never get me there

[cursive axle]

online

[cursive axle]

no you can do offlne you just need to give 10$ and you need to be in Boston

event brite*

[proud glacier]

huh TIL

[cursive axle]

?but yes cs50 happens in a year once which is Fall 'Year Harvard College and SEAS Session

[toxic ridge]

Guys I wanna be respectful, so I just wanted to know if it's okay to share a survey for a research we are conducting. All we need is your updated resume. So will it be okay if I share it on this server?

It's not a promotion or anything, just a link to upload resumes

[vapid jay]

Do I need a degree to get a job ?

[final ravine]

No, but it helps

[final ravine]

You could show the URL in modmail?

[near ocean]

Effectively yes

[vapid jay]

Care to elaborate

[final ravine]

Loads of jobs are available to people without degrees, loads are available with a degree

Some jobs might be like why are you applying when you have a degree

[regal axle]

In a perfect world; your ability and merits are measured and obvious to everyone. This can't be done in a universal way; so we search for other things that give us some baseline. A degree doesn't tell me a lot about you, but it does give me a minimum amount of info about you. As such, most HR (in the software eng world, not 100% true for the greater work force) will skip over applicants that they can't evaluate easily. And so, you either have to have a solid background ,,, or maybe a degree. It is an easy thing to filter on.
The path of least resistance, starts with getting a degree. Or well,,, this is true for CS related jobs. Not for all jobs in the world.

[quartz aspen]

Did you message ModMail like graingert said?

[toxic ridge]

What's modmail🥲

[quartz aspen]

<@&831776746206265384> self-promotion/phish to get resumes*, was asked to message ModMail, didn't do it

*Domain registered literally 2 days ago

Start of context #career-advice message

[peak halo]

We don't allow the posting of surveys in this server.

[toxic ridge]

I'm sry then

[slender bobcat]

Guys

Anyone solve b??🙏

[peak halo]

see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[vapid jay]

What if I have some exceptional experience ?

I guess you are right they set filter to look for degrees

[regal axle]

Works if you have refrences too. IE someone to get you past the filters .... but that is hard to get. For many people, harder than a degree. But yea, sometimes its your only option (I do understand that degrees are expensive and have other complications)

[toxic ridge]

I would have really appreciated it if u guided me, instead of questioning that saying domain was registered literally 2 days ago.

I'm a student, this is our capstone project. We had to create a dataset and thus bought a domain after the creation of the website because guess what, I ain't rich enough to buy first and then create a website.

I don't want a quarrel but in future try being helpful instead of reporting with guiding. I literally started my message with I want to be respectful and hence was trying to get your permission. I wish you could appreciate that atleast

[vapid jay]

Hahaha well aside from lack of degrees I also have big lack of that

[slate cairn]

bro can someone help me navigate im currently learning python as my first language my goal is to get into AI/Ml what should i do after learning python can someone explain me?

[peak halo]

Hello, you already asked this in #data-science-and-ml. Please pick one place.

[delicate pecan]

Hi everyone!
i Want to ask a question, i am really into technology and want to learn python but whenever i try i get bored and eventually leave it when it becomes too difficult for me to understand. What could be the reason and any fix?

[slate cairn]

bro i cant find anything

[peak halo]

!resources data science

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[slate cairn]

oh thanks

[pine sleet]

what have you been doing currently to learn Python?

[proud glacier]

what would you say is the point where you quit?

[delicate pecan]

When it gets to complicated that i dont understand anything

[delicate pecan]

Watching Youtube mostly

[proud glacier]

yeah, I get that, but which concept in Python do you find too complicated?

[quartz aspen]

This way of collecting data doesn't follow ANY guidelines about ethical research. The "terms of service" give no info about who is collecting data, you literally only give a freaking gmail email as any contact, no names.

Should've been names with uni (and uni emails for contact), and actual research name posted.
Also, since you're posting it openly for all here in server where EU citizens are, you gotta follow GDPR which covers way more details about how you gotta describe what you store and how (since you don't even coach people into removing the pii, you're knowingly collecting pii of EU citizens)

[peak halo]

you won't passively learn from watching youtube videos. you need to do something to actively apply what you're trying to learn.

[delicate pecan]

Currently OOPs @proud glacier

[quartz aspen]

Also, if this is real scientific research, it would be on the uni's domain.

[proud glacier]

watching YT is not only inefficient for learning as Stelercus noted, it's also boring (at least for me it is)
what you want is to actually open your editor and do something with Python. that's not boring, and will teach you much more effectively.

[peak halo]

Can we drop this discussion about the survey? Posting surveys here isn't allowed. We don't need to litigate the poster's intentions.

[delicate pecan]

I have alot of ideas on mind but on the editor i get confused on how to do it

[vapid jay]

Watching YouTube is not insufficient

[peak halo]

it's definitely insufficient, for the reason I said a moment ago.

[vapid jay]

Some of the best content is on YouTube. Obviously documentation for things are not on YouTube like libraries

[toxic ridge]

Thanks for the suggestion, now that ik the mistake, I'll certainly make amends to that, thanks a lot.

I would like to share though, the reason we didn't describe the nature of research because, we are honestly not really sure about the scope of usage yet, based on our findings, we'll redirect our research to that direction. And certainly after that delete all the data we have with us.

Really thankful to you, it was our first time building something so really had no clue about how to do this in the right way

[rocky fulcrum]

also the fact that reading is usually on average a lot faster than speaking (200-300 wpm vs 150 wpm)

[proud glacier]

it doesn't matter how good the content is. passive consumption will never be a substitute for actually writing code.

[vapid jay]

I never said it were

[peak halo]

@toxic ridge @quartz aspen please don't talk about the survey anymore after this message. please delete anything you're planning to say about it.

[vapid jay]

You fallacy thinking putting word in my mouth

[rocky fulcrum]

the documentation is the key part though. the documentation is the technical manual to the software

[proud glacier]

did you actually read Stelercus' message, then? sounds like you're responding to an argument that no one is making.
the point that you disagreed with was "YT is not enough, you need to apply what you're learning".

[vapid jay]

Holy shit

[proud glacier]

start with simpler projects

!kindling

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[proud glacier]

or Automate the Boring Stuff

[quartz aspen]

Properly doing research is a root of a future scientific career, so I don't think we're offtopic - since the topic switched to tips about proper ethical collection of data vs talking about the rule-breaking survey. But okay

[peak halo]

you can talk about ethical data collection as long as it's clear that you're not piling onto your objection about their decision to post it in this server.

[toxic ridge]

We did it only in one message, since he is helpful enough to now guide me, I don't think any of us is in an argument anymore

[quartz aspen]

Yes, I already switched to this. Because OP admitted the survey wasn't consulted with the uni at all, so "that's shady" accusation was resolved, now we're talking how to do it properly next time 🙂

[quartz aspen]

*they or xe, please, not he 😉

Anyways
In the future ask your thesis supervisor before doing any research websites, to do it properly. Data-collecting projects sometimes need approval of the school's ethics committee, depending on what kind of data is being collected.

Since the website said you wanted to look at different formats, at the beginning it would be probably better to just find different templates and tutorials, instead of collecting real people's data - also easier to compare stuff, just fill some templates with the same example data = can easily compare whether you parse them the same.

BTW, also look into Europass - EU format for resumes, pdf with added xml info for easy automatic parsing. Might be a good start to see what types of info are there, or even use their xml as output format for parsing

[toxic ridge]

Actually I think I should clarify the TnC, by formats we also meant that see, I'm coming from a university mostly targeting tech, but we needed to see the variety of data people with different backgrounds actually put in their resume. We need to make a characteristic vector out of all of them. So yeah, i guess I need to sit tight, be as informant as possible, instead of keeping it vague.

Rest I'll consult u on DMs

[near ocean]

Sitting on your hands and watching videos IS insufficient
Writing code is what teaches you how to write code

If it was sufficient you wouldnt be given homework in school, just a link to prerecorded lectures

[pine sleet]

i've actually had a few classes like that

[near ocean]

Also im not sure discussing the efficacy of different media regarding teaching concepts on topic for this channel

Dont we have #pedagogy for that?

[stoic notch]

first write the pseudocode before actually doing it, that way you can sort of visualize what you want to do

[cursive axle]

shawarma

[stoic notch]

yeah

[cursive axle]

why

[stoic notch]

idk, just love shawarma, goated food

[cursive axle]

i agree

[fringe sphinx]

I was so frustrated with the author when I read this nonsense fear mongering: https://nmn.gl/blog/ai-and-learning... completely ignoring that this has been true for decades. https://blog.codinghorror.com/why-cant-programmers-program/

[rugged axle]

https://x1vi.github.io/my-website/ personal website

STILL WIP

[buoyant seal]

nice looking BUT, big BUT
commands do not adhere to linux standard 😏
Really expecting from terminal interface to adhere to linux like interface

[rugged axle]

?

[stuck urchin]

Hey, I'm looking to take a career in data science/analysis. I'm interested in creating my own personal projects, can someone help me out with where I could even start? it's just to find employment and build a profile

[rugged axle]

hey its just a little somethin somethin litte html and css and a little js to hold it

[late rover]

Same

[fringe sphinx]

The problem with these questions is it's too broad. We don't know you, your skills, your education, your interests c etc. Help us out a little and tell us more.

[half scarab]

evening everyone, i am looking for python devs to collab and build projects with, my aim is to build a small team that is equal in management as well as responsibilities. if you are interested, drop a pm message. thanks.

[stuck urchin]

i have a ba in econ, intro python, some econometrics experience

[fringe sphinx]

And what do you want to learn?

[stuck urchin]

Im not sure. Im studying statistics, Im about wrapped up probability theory. I want a career in data analytics because it aligns with my stats ma desire, I want something that has crossover with what i'll be studying later.

[fringe sphinx]

Makes sense, so, starting with basic Python programming is a good start. Then followed by learning data skills (sklearn, numpy, pandas, maybe some sql?)

#python-discussion message for beginner Python learning

[rancid grove]

#python-discussion

[stuck urchin]

I know python from an intro course, I guess I'll find data skills courses

[fringe sphinx]

Numpy, pandas and Sklearn have really good tutorials, I'd start at their official tutorials. Kaggle.com is also useful for project ideas

[shy willow]

is LaTeX still a thing? I have all these old resumes in TeX and I am wondering

I've been corporate microsoft land for so long that I am no longer in touch with these other tools

[peak halo]

it's still very much a thing, especially for technical writing.

[shy willow]

well, I am more asking about resumes

[peak halo]

I did my resume in latex last time I was job hunting, which was in 2021.

[vapid jay]

is a pdf made from latex any different

[shy willow]

there are different fontsets

it has a different look. I would argue that they look much better

[vapid jay]

like if the final output is just pdf does it make any difference for resumes?

[final ravine]

I used to believe it did

I think if you're applying to work at a university they expect latex cvs

[shy willow]

if I submit a latex resume to one of those dumb job site interfaces, is the backend going to care?

[vapid jay]

like just sharing the tex file and not compiled

[shy willow]

no, the actual compiled doc

[vapid jay]

@peak halo brother how are you doing this full time 😭

[shy willow]

the reason this is coming up is because I would like to minimize auto-rejection for tangential reasons

[peak halo]

I respond to messages here intermittently while I work.

[shy willow]

Like, TeX lets you do things with documents that Word doesn't. It is more powerful. So then one wonders if the counterparty has a reader that can handle that flexibility

[vapid jay]

i get what you're saying but i used it recently and hated every part of it

[shy willow]

You hated TeX? it usually looks like a godawful mess IRL. The compiled documents are amazing, tho

[vapid jay]

my friends in academia share similar opinion

[vapid jay]

yea but you can get same visual output using word no?

(this timeout is killing me 😭)

[shy willow]

it is really a matter of taste. Word always has a look to it that I find jarring once cast into PDF form

the fonts in TeX are really much, much better. Professional typesetting, i.e. It matters in subtle ways.

No, I do not think you can get the same output in Word (or LibreOffice)

[vapid jay]

i mean yeah pdf conversion sucks but the docs are fine
i think one day they'll figure this out

[shy willow]

nope, no they won't. They've had literall decades to get it right.

I think that it is definitely ok to submit a TeX pdf to a resume website, but definitely avoid creative nonsense

Microsoft Office $130/yr. F that

$100 personal. Everything goes into the cloud.

[stuck urchin]

hey i have two books that i havent read yet,
An Introduction to Statistical Learning with R
Python for Data Analysis
Should I start there and then try and tackle personal projects?

[final ravine]

They think that "they can always tell" that it's latex

[vapid jay]

if we are on the topic, what about json resume

came across this gem a while ago
https://umgbhalla.xyz/

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know the books, but it just comes down to iterating frequently: learn then code, repeat

[fringe sphinx]

Data analysis is just such a broad term that it's overwhelming, but if you just start with the basics, even just linear regressions, you'll build the basics

[buoyant seal]

Cute. My second resume looked the same 😏

[mortal wedge]

Honestly there's so much you can do with linear regression. Maybe even influenced by some weights and transforms it's still a fine way to analyze data.

[sick tusk]

what's the best possible way to create ios applications on windows?

[vapid jay]

share 👀

[sick tusk]

@mortal wedge do you know?

[sterile smelt]

I dont think ill get a graduate scheme this year do u guys think I should do a masters instead?

[gritty rivet]

I have no idea what a "graduate scheme" is... You should probably seek local advice.

A Master's degree is likely to be a good investment if it's something you're inclined to do and work hard at.

[gritty rivet]

That's definitely not a career question, so wrong channel. Doesn't seem like a Python question so, also wrong server.

[sterile smelt]

React native expo

[sterile smelt]

Grad scheme is like the first job u get out of uni

Firms recruit straight from campus

[harsh moss]

Hey Everyone, 🖐️

I’m currently seeking new opportunities in full-stack development. With eight years of experience, I’ve built high-performing web applications and cloud-native solutions while working across diverse teams as a consultant. I adapt quickly to new technologies and drive projects end-to-end.

Alongside my industry experience, I’m pursuing a part-time PhD focused on cloud-native technologies and AI/ML methods. I’m open to full-time and contract roles, including those supporting H1B transfers.

If you know of any opportunities or would like to connect, feel free to reach out!
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/akshaymittal143/

Looking forward to connecting!

[hollow kestrel]

If anyone got a degree in CS at a college, what college did you go to, was it a good CS program, and was it worth it?

[fringe sphinx]

I'll just answer the last part: Yes, it was worth it.

It wasn't a top 10 school, but it was a good school.

And, the 'ranking' of a program does not determine your career success.

[warm flax]

is there any sides where i can generate income by selling a python codes or doing a assignments

[deft herald]

Yes this is called freelancing and there are multiple sites. It is however very difficult to land gigs there as you're competing with people with tons of exp in low cost of living areas that charge way to little

[cold dragon]

Yeah it took me 20 seconds to realize seeing the "hmu" replies saying they have minimum 10 years experience

[peak halo]

there isn't a way to make money writing programs the way you're probably envisioning. freelancing is the closest thing, but that isn't just uploading code like homework assignments and getting money. It means starting and running your own business.

[analog wigeon]

hey there, im considering uci for uni. anyone got any comments on its cs student culture, internships, recruiter connections, etc?

[proud glacier]

try Typst

[sick tusk]

i heard something about still needing to have a macbook in order to run the app

[violet spire]

How do companies select a candidate actually @placid hill

[placid hill]

I did not mean that you should ping me here, but rather that you should discuss it here.

[violet spire]

No one alive Here for discussion

[placid hill]

They don't need to be, just send your messages and whoever sees them, if they can, replies

[near ocean]

People apply to job ads that companies put out
They get tested during interviews
The best candidate gets an offer

[sterile smelt]

Nah u can just run npm start and download the expo app

[sharp furnace]

Hello, I wondering about learning Django or node.js for backend web development so I can do full stack, which one do yall think I should do first? Like which one am I more likely to find a job asking for one or the other

[near ocean]

That depends on what employers near you are asking for

[deft herald]

Not only are they selected for technical skills, but also for their soft skills like communication and collaboration, etc

In fact, my boss once admitted to me that he selected one guy on technical ability alone and he was just not a good culture fit on the team. This guy was super smart but just really never wanted to work with anybody. As a result, his contributions to the team were basically nothing and he ended up getting laid off

[finite obsidian]

In my experience fullstack roles are mostly frontend with some backend. so it usually makes sense to choose nodejs because both sides in the same language has its advantages, both technical and ease of hiring.

[analog sun]

!cban 1327547360137576478 Only activity is posting advertisements

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: applied ban to @grim elm permanently.

[pallid urchin]

Hello friends, i want to learn python, i am a beginner. Can anyone suggest me best video to learn python language

[pine sleet]

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[pallid urchin]

Ok

@pine sleet thanks

[obtuse summit]

Hey everyone! I just launched a blog post on game development with Pygame. If you have time, please check it out and let me know what you think. I'm new to blogging and would love your feedback on how to improve my content. Here's the link: https://pin.it/6cLURiAnR

[deft herald]

ain't no way i'm clicking a pinterest link

[obtuse summit]

you've visited and explored my blog, I would love to hear your thoughts! Did you enjoy the content? What aspects stood out to you, and what could be improved? Your feedback is incredibly valuable in helping me enhance the blog and make it even better. Any suggestions—whether about design, readability, or content—are greatly appreciated! 😁

If you haven’t checked out my blog yet, I’d love for you to give it a try! Your feedback means a lot to me

[near ocean]

🤨 im not sure this is on topic for the channel

[worthy hill]

do anyone think Newton school of technology (nst) a good college? Have you Personal experience?

[pine sleet]

haven't heard of it, just make sure its accredited

[shy gull]

You can also checkout https://www.w3schools.com/ for basics and syntax

[near ocean]

https://web.archive.org/web/20110412103745/http://w3fools.com/

[peak halo]

w3schools is, unfortunately, probably the worst resource for learning Python. It routinely gets lots of things slightly or completely wrong. And there are so many error-free resources for learning Python that there's no reason to settle for less.

[warm flax]

The learning source is open, and you can learn from anywhere, but the instructor u follow will kick the code on his own. Better find the source by yourself and bring the storm

[lyric onyx]

when would you guys consider a projecto to be good enough for it to be mentioned on a cv?

I want to implement some interest rate models and am not sure whether i should mention it anywhere (as in am i making a fool out of myself by mentioning it)

[proud glacier]

what do you mean by interest rate models exactly? like if it's just a compound interest calculator kind of thing I wouldn't mention it

[lyric onyx]

stuff like the vasicek interest model or CIR
main part of the project would most likely be the simulation of sdes

[lyric onyx]

not vasicek since it has an analytical solution

[proud glacier]

that sounds more interesting
I think you could describe it in a way that sounds impressive

[lyric onyx]

what do you mean by describing it?

[proud glacier]

when you talk about it on your CV

[lyric onyx]

ahh yeah thank you

[open ivy]

Between my portfolio projects and networking I am pretty busy. Hard to find time to actually apply for jobs lol.

[crude coyote]

hello?

[grim igloo]

Who can help with a discord bot ? if u can help me write me on this account @long yew

[mortal wedge]

What do you guys do when you've been preparing really hard for an interview but you reached the point where you can't think of anything else you can do to prepare and you're just stewing in your own anxiety?

[fringe sphinx]

Take a nap?

[mortal wedge]

Haha, fair. I'm still like trying to chase down niche topics they might ask me about but I'm running out of ideas

[fringe sphinx]

Go back the basics. Do you have good answers for the normal questions?

Tell me about yourself

What are your strengths and weaknesses?

[mortal wedge]

Oh god I got rid of all the information about myself in favor of computer vision algorithms.

[fringe sphinx]

Tell me about a time you had a significant challenge/etc?

[mortal wedge]

Okay. I think you pointed me to an area I need to brush up on 😂

I suppose I should also do some review of the company and recent accomplishments/eevents related to them

[fringe sphinx]

Also, read your resume and prepare answers to easy questions about it

[shrewd fox]

I'm prettu sure Django is easier but node.js would be better but harder to learn if it's your first time programming

[vapid jay]

Hi there!

[orchid storm]

Hello there I am a content creator i am learning Python to boost my skills for making mods for The Sims 4. I am a beginner on learn Python. I have some mods using Mod Constructor and Sims 4 studio but besides modding for video games what else can Python be used for? I'm curious to learn.

[pine sleet]

python is a general purpose language, and a popular one so you'll find it pretty much everywhere. automation scripts, API backends, data analysis, machine learning, etc

[orchid storm]

that is interesting to hear i know my mod constructor for the video game i play uses Python for the coding part of the mods eventually i plan to use programming for a 3D virtual program with its own system.

[eternal shadow]

Suppose a homie rolls up with a bunch of Linux, DevOps, and Kubernetes experience. Where does that homie go to find a job these days? Would say I'm asking for a friend, but I'm kinda getting desperate after leaving some golden handcuffs.

[pine sleet]

linkedin, and he hits up some old friends to see whats up

[eternal shadow]

Practically everyone I know is still employed at the previous employers I last saw them at. It's kindof a catch 22 of having friends and having worked corporate. People get complacent and never leave.

[wicked fractal]

Guys, can u tell me any youtube channel or websites for free which can teach u python from beginning ?!

[vapid jay]

[final ravine]

Django girls tutorial

[rugged axle]

wdy think @fringe sphinx ?
https://x1vi.github.io/my-website/

still in the works

how about me ? u can take a look at my portfolio
here
https://x1vi.github.io/my-website/

[olive knoll]

i want to build a Mobile app for real time detection, should i use yolo8n.pt or yolo8s.pt??? or any other yolo8 model?

[broken sun]

Hi, I am learning Python and have an interest in ML. I worked for 2 years as a C++ developer in a telecom firm. I recently faced layoff and am willing to join projects for an internship or full time. Please let me know if there is any lead.

[strong lava]

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[strong lava]

It is likely an automated/scam message - don't share any personal details

[summer roost]

Please delete this message. We don't allow advertising here. See rules 6 and 9

!cban 1338824443337773157 joined just to advertise

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @kind timber permanently.

[summer roost]

Please delete this message. It's not relevant to the channel's topic, and seems like piracy or malware

!cban 208945682432655360 advertising pirated software

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @proven bone permanently.

[knotty aurora]

I am planning to break into python from civil engineering and need a study buddy who's practicing the same.
Currently auditing the CS50s programming with python course.
Anyone up for it?

[gentle pumice]

why was my message deleted?

[peak halo]

I'm not seeing any records of messages that you wrote being deleted. Contact @severe widget if you have any questions.

[gentle pumice]

start with networking projects first once you learn the foundation

I posted a message letting others know I am looking for a job and gave my credentibility

[summer roost]

The Discord UI can show a message as being sent and then deleted if you don't have Internet when the message was sent. Could've been that.

[gentle pumice]

yeah it was a different discord my bad guys

[summer roost]

Regardless, we're not a job board, and we don't allow looking for work posts here

[gentle pumice]

its hard to find a job :/

[summer roost]

Yeah, it definitely can be... ♥️

[gentle pumice]

especially in computer shit.. i mean as someone who hacked there state online testing at age 13 and gave a dos attack in multiple counties, making everyone pass, i should be more than capable of finding a job bro.. i'm about to stop looking for a career in hacking and just start hacking people. carding isn't hard.

[summer roost]

#career-advice message might be helpful

[gentle pumice]

thats where we are no? xd

[summer roost]

!rule 5 - don't talk about plans to commit crimes here, please

[inner wren]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[gentle pumice]

speaking strictly metaphorically here of course

already fessed up to my crime anyways- they never figured it out but i told them this year

apolgies for breaking rules tho

[near ocean]

Criminals arent the most attractive employees, from a business perspective

Have you considered not breaking the law if you're going to look for a job?

[gentle pumice]

I haven't done any illegal hacking since age 13

ever since i've stuck to networking and cheat developing

[near ocean]

What developing?

[gentle pumice]

just simple cheats at the moment like god modes for singleplayer games and such

[near ocean]

It really isnt that hard to not make shady shit
There are so many things you could build instead

[gentle pumice]

most i've made is wall hacks for counter strike 2 in python

well i mean like i've said i've work in a lot of different fields, mainly in python, but things from bitcoin cryptography to hashing to networking and editing memory i've been around in multiple areas not just shady shit

https://github.com/cr0mb
written in markdown code as to prove not embedded link

i have a little over 50 repositories

is sharing my github ok

[near ocean]

What about your education, past work experience?

[gentle pumice]

i have 7 certifications in cisco and have my high school diploma

[near ocean]

How old are you?

[wind cedar]

is it true that if you graduate from your masters or even phd, you are considered a new grad again and you'll be eligible for new grad jobs again just like when you graduated from undergrad?

[knotty aurora]

@gentle pumice I am learning python to get an ML job
My major is civil engineering, so I am switching to tech
will it help me here?

[analog sun]

Python is used a lot in machine learning

You could also apply it to civil as well, with calculations and possibly visualizations

[gentle pumice]

python is one of the most popular languages for machine learning actually

[gentle pumice]

i'd focus on learning libraries specific to machine learning like numpy, pandas, matplotib and seaborn, scikit-learn, tensorflow and pytorch, as well as xgboost

[safe gate]

I want learn python for data engineer, it is good?

[gentle pumice]

you also have your OpenCV which is a really cool library

[peak halo]

I don't think that "learning libraries" is a good way to approach learning about ML
it would also be redundant to learn about both tensorflow and pytorch. industry seems to be abandoning tensorflow.

[gentle pumice]

i've used python personally to automate data entry, so i'd assume yes

[gentle pumice]

tensorflow would be good to stick out tho

[safe gate]

Can you suggest me bro, what's tool do use for data entry?

[peak halo]

good to stick out?

[hearty island]

INTERVIEW!!
I GOT AN INTERVIEW FOR OPPENHEIMER & CO
LFGGGGG

[gentle pumice]

my own scripts with excel

[safe gate]

Like pandas?

[gentle pumice]

more like OpenCV

[gentle pumice]

yeah lots of companies still use legacy models and many roles in AI will require tensorflow experience

especially in fields like healthcare or autonomous systems

i gotta say i like pytorch more tho

i've made wallhacks with pytorch before xD

[safe gate]

sound good for me, I've never heard of this before cuz I'm new at python

my first project at python is using selenium

[gentle pumice]

OpenCV is used for computer vision and machine learning specifically working with objects or items, for example i've seen people make an autodriving bot using opencv for gta 5, and i've made a motion detection project using opencv as well

https://github.com/Cr0mb/Motion-Detection-with-Webcam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOoauYWVg6w

hopefully i can share these

anyways @safe gate feel free to add me and DM me any python questions you may have, I consider myself as an educator in this langauge

[knotty aurora]

okay so what's the best gameplan right now?

[safe gate]

awesome bro, so opencv can be designed for game and real life?

[knotty aurora]

What about traffic engineering ?

[gentle pumice]

the gameplan is to first learn a default understanding of python. make simple prints, simulate key presses, set sleep times, etc, etc, etc. Then you go to these libraries, study the open documentation; 99% of them have a full wiki page on, then try to use what you learned to make your own projects.

[knotty aurora]

starting with CS50 is a good idea right?

[gentle pumice]

you mean harvard level courses? no prob not

[true harness]

cs50 is a good start

[knotty aurora]

yeah the one from edx

[gentle pumice]

if you want me to be honest the best place for you to start to learn python would be to work with just ubuntu linux

this is where I started for my basics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqtD5dpn9C8&t=11s

[knotty aurora]

I have used Manjaro and zorin os before

[gentle pumice]

thats

idk how useful that will be to employers, might be impressive to know about tho

if you're going to impress then go straight debian, redhat os, arch linux, even kali

projects like this is how I first started

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw7_aEafJJg&t=96s

[knotty aurora]

I see,
so to land a remote job should I focus on the diction you mentioned?

[gentle pumice]

for a remote job i'd probably focus on making these projects in a linux virtual private server? this way you can prove that you can do assembly straight from the terminal, which doing so when first learning can be a great way to build a structure around the language

[bleak quail]

whats up yall, havent chatted here since first year of college lol

[gentle pumice]

hallo nice to meet you wafoolz

[gentle pumice]

and by the way, if you can't afford to buy a vps then you can just use github codespace, offers a free environment or you can use uh fuck what sit called replit.io

replit.io is a bit different focuses more on assembly

[bleak quail]

hallo i used to chat here frequently back when i started college currently on my 2nd year now (2nd sem) 😊😊

[gentle pumice]

what college?

what typa shit you learnin?

[bleak quail]

computer engineering but i lean more towards the software side (web development to be exact)

[knotty aurora]

@gentle pumice Do you think a 6 month timeline is enough to land a job?
The market these days is horrible
Any entry level position will do

[coral fern]

😭 have been searching for months (i work fulltime as a python swe but want a better offer)

[knotty aurora]

Even jobs for civil engineering is non existant
These are tough time we're in

[bleak quail]

entry level web developer job gon be a battle royale to get in 🙏

[coral fern]

my location is also quite bad and getting remote job is even harder i think

[bleak quail]

rn im taking it slow with html and css might learn js soon

[coral fern]

i'd recommend getting into js quickly then react / vue jsmaybe

[gentle pumice]

absolutely you can learn enough skills in 6 months if you have the dedication

[gentle pumice]

try nodejs

[bleak quail]

yeah but idk when i feel like ive learned a good bit of html and css to start learning js

ive made like 3 websites with roadmap.sh

[gentle pumice]

thats a shell file

node js is .js, it's basically just a runtime environment that allows javascript to run outside a browser

[bleak quail]

i used to do python a lot but i got burnt out cause I really cant think of any software projects to make but i can think of website projects to make so i dove into webdev instead

[coral fern]

roadmap sh is a platform which teaches engineering skills, gives 'roadmaps'

[gentle pumice]

memory editors, networking tools, cryptographic functions, pygames, algorithms, api calling, regex to name a few for python

[gentle pumice]

oh that roadmap lol my bad

[bleak quail]

i mean i could but i really like the dophamine rush of finally centering a div 😊

[knotty aurora]

btw what do interviews feel like?
do they have technical people on interview board or just non tech HR people?

[gentle pumice]

example nodejs project

https://github.com/Cr0mb/Simple-Steam-Idler

[bleak quail]

i think you do leet code and then the interviewers watch you do it

[gentle pumice]

depends who you go to, most the time it's listening to someone talk like a dev ask you shitty questions that you're not gonna want to answer

[gentle pumice]

leet code is crazy xD

[knotty aurora]

oh, and when do you think is the best time to apply??

[bleak quail]

its hard my pee brain cant even get over two sum lmao

[gentle pumice]

whenever you're confident that you know your worth in that field

[bleak quail]

i should really brush up on my dsa

[warm elm]

hello everyone

[gentle pumice]

i've made a python script that translates english to leet speech in the past lmao

[bleak quail]

its really funny how i went from learning C to html lolol

[gentle pumice]

node.js is really good for the basics of html and java frfr

[warm elm]

i'm getting interviwed in amazon in a week and idk how to prep my self for the design part of the interview, any course will be helpfull or advice

[coral fern]

@gentle pumice you've got really interesting projects on github

[gentle pumice]

thank you so much @coral fern!

[bleak quail]

i made a roulette game on python that shuts down your pc if you die 💀

[gentle pumice]

xD i've seen shit like that before kek i've done similar but it deletes sys 32

[coral fern]

do you work as a professional or only as a hobby]

[bleak quail]

imagine debugging that

[gentle pumice]

i consider myself an educator so a professional hobby lol

[bleak quail]

for some reason i keep making stupid stuff on python lolol