career-advice

[near ocean]

says who?

i (personally) know of at least 2 software engineers in fintech that didnt even have a github before getting their high paying fintech jobs

[digital fjord]

Plenty of companies work with cutting edge or nonstandard frameworks and fully expect people to just come in with basic knowledge and wilingness to learn.

[summer plover]

Well git is a skill they can pick up in a week, and I'm sure they were being supervised for a certain amount of time

[near ocean]

so is literally any framework

[summer plover]

Thanks

[summer plover]

Alright, thanks

[white relic]

I think there's two different things being discussed here.
It's true that it's possible to get a job "just" knowing Python, or knowing next to nothing. People do it, as pointed out.
It's also true that "just" knowing Python is not enough to get a job, in the sense you can't put Python on your resume and expect that to do the work for you.

[near ocean]

people might read or hear this "python isnt enough you need frameworks" thing and stop themselves from applying until they have all the fancy new frameworks on their cv when its not that deep

[white relic]

"all you have to do to win the lottery is buy a ticket" introduces a similar conflict.

[white relic]

yes, that I agree with

[summer plover]

I mean I did know that goes for internships for students and new programmers but I didn't think that could also go for actual long term full-time jobs

[near ocean]

People asking how to get a tech job with python are students and new programmers

[buoyant seal]

lakmatiol (he/him) — Today at 7:25 PM
Plenty of companies work with cutting edge or nonstandard frameworks and fully expect people to just come in with basic knowledge and wilingness to learn.
that. as backend dev i can assure you, people will not care which framework exactly you use
as long as you did backend development / learned to wield linux/SQL/unit testing stuff, and different common approaches known to backenders. People would find very nice if you have any mature/deep project in python (or even in other languages) to back up your claim of dev profficiency
They would at most expect from you if hiring for python backend position, that u are comfortable with python and know the generic backend stuff i mentioned. Which framework exactly is not important

Some rare parties find importance in knowing exact framework though, and do ridiculous testing for knowing every quirck of it for some reason.
But in my opinion this is an exception and pretty much bullshit

[summer plover]

I'm not talking what having experience with such and such framework

I was talking about just having for example done a little backend development before

I fully agree with you

[cursive willow]

bro i want a job

[plush summit]

Then do something else and work from there

[smoky quest]

What's stopping you?

[hexed drum]

He’s right

[tidal vault]

does anyone have any ideas for side hustles using python?

[peak halo]

Those don't really work.

[tidal vault]

oh 😦

[tidal vault]

have you tried any?

[peak halo]

No, I have a full-time job. You can look for free lance jobs on Fiverr, but you will probably lose opportunities to people with more experience who are willing to work for less.

[tidal vault]

ah, fair enough

what about making websites or something like that

[peak halo]

Fiverr is where you'd look for that. And what I said applies.

[tidal vault]

do you know how much people usually charge for such services

[tidal vault]

i may be taking a gap year before uni and i want to keep programming in my free time, does anyone have any ideas for good things to start learning in that period that will boost my skillset for jobs in the futue?

i would have like a solid years worth of time to do this

[peak halo]

@tidal vault why are you taking a gap year?

[tidal vault]

thinking of getting a full time job and working for most of it to raise some money for uni and then maybe go travelling

[peak halo]

what country are you in?

[tidal vault]

uk

[peak halo]

someone in the UK would need to comment, but this would be a bad strategy in the US.

[tidal vault]

how come ?

[peak halo]

the amount that you'd earn during that one year would be basically nothing compared to how much US education costs, so you'd still have to take out a bunch of loans, but you will have delayed the start of your career by at least a year.

the amount that you'd save from that one year of low-wage labor would get nuked by how much you could have earned in the first year of your career.

[tidal vault]

yes but im also thinking about this as like a last year to chill😭 like when i leave uni im gonna be straight into looking for work so if i can afford to take a year off just earn some money for travel and a little to save for like lets say idk food at uni idk

[peak halo]

if you want to use that year to save money to travel, and then travel, that's fine. but it's a tradeoff that you're making to enjoy a certain phase of your life. you shouldn't view it as a positive financial decision.

[tidal vault]

do you think employability will be even worse if i start a year later, like will i have better chances at getting employed compared to if i start later

[harsh river]

yes.

[tidal vault]

yes yes, obviously not gonna pay back uni costs with that money but having some in the bank to spend at uni would be nice cause im currently in the mud haha

[peak halo]

why would finishing your degree when you're 23 be worse than 22, all other things equal?

[tidal vault]

shit haha

[pine sleet]

for this you can work part time during the school year, or when you get an internship save up that money to spend throughout the year

[tidal vault]

im also an athlete so i dont have like any free time if im studying along with this

so part time work is kind of not an option for me

[pine sleet]

unfortunate

[tidal vault]

very😭

[peak halo]

@tidal vault are you expecting to have an athletic scholarship for university?

[tidal vault]

yes im aiming for that, hoping i can get one

[peak halo]

I don't know anyone who had an athetic scholarship (probably because computer science), though I'm immediately worried that you wouldn't be able to take a gap year if you get an athletic scholarship.

[tidal vault]

i havent started uni yet so not a gap year in that regard, just a gap year between college and university

like ill either start uni in 2025 or 2026 hopefully

[harsh river]

what country are you in?

[pine sleet]

I don't know anyone who had an athetic scholarship (probably because computer science)
thats crazy 😭 😭

[tidal vault]

uk

is the majority of the server us?

[pine sleet]

iirc yeah

[harsh river]

https://nces.ed.gov/pubs2005/2005152.pdf
https://ccrc.tc.columbia.edu/media/k2/attachments/delaying-college-enrollment-earnings-trajectories.pdf
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228476650_Estimating_the_Effects_of_Delayed_Entry_into_Higher_Education_A_Discussion
https://docs.iza.org/dp11421.pdf
https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/203475/1/GLO-DP-0399.pdf

TLDR: delayed entry has a negative impacts on the chances of graduation rates and projected earnings vs someone who goes to college right away

i had a mini interview when i got to my college since i was starting like 3-4 years late and there was a research group on this

[peak halo]

what conclusions have been reached about why that is?

[tidal vault]

where you from?

show that delaying college enrollment decreases individuals’ likelihood of enrolling in college and increases their tendency to enroll in two-year colleges if they do return to school. - this may be why no?

[tidal vault]

im definitely not doing that haha

[harsh river]

financial / family burdens, social adjustment difficulty (this was me, i had a hard time being 21-22 and going to classes with 18 years old, and living with them)
another one was that the older you are and the more you delay the more "out of touch" the teaching methods get

[harsh river]

eh, i'm from latin america, raised in the US, went to a US college

left after a semester though

[peak halo]

I was 24 with 18 year old classmates. but I just acted immature and then didn't hang out with them outside of class.

[tidal vault]

oo fair, well im the youngest in my academic year so if i went a year after i would be practically the exact same age as everyone

[peak halo]

and then I also had 30+ and 50+ yo classmates

[tidal vault]

what do you mean by out of touch

[harsh river]

my dorm neighbors with who my roommate and i shared a bathroom with fought with me and my roommate at 6am over the shower when we had classes at 7am and their earlier class was at 11

they also liked to leave trash right outside their door where everyone had to walk through and then "forget" to take it to the trash room

among other things

i felt they were generally inmature and didnt take things seriously among other things, it stressed me out, my roommate was pretty mature and he felt the same too

[peak halo]

I never lived in a dorm; I had a roommate who was another CS student, several years older than me, and he behaved like a child.

[harsh river]

at my college, first years were forced to live in the dorms, no exceptions.

trust me, i tried to find all the loopholes i could

[peak halo]

lame

[deft herald]

Shoot. Even for married students?

Because that would be hilarious

[harsh river]

i even offered to pay 2x housing for a full dorm just for myself and they refused

(as for married students, yes, the only exception was that if you came from a college that didnt have the rule, then you would be allowed to skip, this only really applied to transfers that had already completed a semester at some other school)

[pine sleet]

yeah the dorm experience is generally not great lol

[peak halo]

what about married with kids

[harsh river]

no clue, i don't wanna go back and find out

[deft herald]

I really had fun in the dorms, but that's because i was 17-19

[harsh river]

the only absolute gem of my time at that college was the dance clubs, i learned tango, kizomba and bachata, had a ton of fun with that

my college was specifically for deaf / hard of hearing students so there were a few research groups there, i made friends with the researchers and was allowed to hang out at their offices and i learned a lot about how deficient the US education system is, specially for people with disabilities

[tidal vault]

but do you guys think that if i delay me going uni to 2026 it will change however how hard itll be for me to find a job ?

[peak halo]

I don't think it will make a noticeable difference.

[harsh river]

the job market is unpredictable, so eh, roll a coin

[tidal vault]

surely if i do some projects in the year off i can build on my employability too, or learn some new languages or skills or whatever

[peak halo]

Those probably won't make a difference. Some companies won't even look at your personal projects.

[tidal vault]

haha fair enough

[tidal vault]

how about learning a skill like web development

[smoky quest]

if you delay going to uni in 2026, it means you would only get out in 2030!
By the same token, people who are entering today this tough market got into school at a time where the market was awesome in 2020-2021!

[harsh river]

with the advent of LLMs, stuff like web dev is easily automated and not as impressive as it might've used to be

[tidal vault]

well its either 2025 or 26 so not a big difference haha

[balmy spade]

Do we include design in web dev?

[smoky quest]

it adds up 😉

[peak halo]

in terms of your income, it does.

[harsh river]

i guess

[tidal vault]

how so?

[peak halo]

the amount of money you can earn in one year is a lot more than 0.

[tidal vault]

well yes

[smoky quest]

gains compound. Your growth is based on what you have done before. So you would delay your whole career

[balmy spade]

I didn't mean for it to be a curveball question. LLMs can help with some things but when I think of web dev I think the design of the page itself. That's not easy and takes plenty of time to grow in. It's the design of a page that makes the difference between just another website and a sales driver.

[tidal vault]

will it be a significant change thought its either me leaving uni at 21/22 or 22/23

[smoky quest]

Imagine your bank account has a return rate of 5% each year. How much difference is it in 15 years between year 15 and 16?

The 5% in 15 years will be much higher than the 5% today

And that's all predicated on the premise that what you can do in that gap year will create more value than what you could do in school

[tidal vault]

okok makes sense

is anyone on here from uk

or know any uk comp sci discords

[radiant vortex]

yes

Are you in uni? Your CS society may have one

[tidal vault]

nope not yet

[tidal vault]

do you have any i can join?

[radiant vortex]

I don't know any UK specific ones apart from a couple uni ones, sorry

[tidal vault]

do you know much about degree apprenticeships in comp sci ? like how difficult it is to get one and if its better than just going uni?

[harsh river]

it wasn't meant to be a curveball answer, i just needed to think some more about it;

in my college they started offering human centered computing courses which combines psychology, sociology, and CS / SWE courses to give a different perspective on "design", by taking into account a potential users human needs, the designs can be more effective than just from a "technological POV" and of course LLMs / machines cannot emulate this.

[fringe sphinx]

There are people in this channel who do know that stuff, it's discussed often. But, maybe ask during daytime?

[summer plover]

sure design is part of web dev (frontend)

[summer plover]

Huh? I got in this year and I'm supposed to graduate in 28' lol

[tiny pebble]

Image that the blue rectangles are parts with a bunch of clips and the blank parts are the audio which talks about the following part.

I’m a video editor and I had to grab some random videos of the following part and put it on the voiceover using a Video Editing software, and it was all time the same thing.

I automated this using python, without using the video editing software,what do you think?

[fringe sphinx]

This is the careers channel, maybe try #python-discussion or #❓｜how-to-get-help

[crimson moss]

Where can i start coding python and how can i make money off of it?

[smoky quest]

any freelancing website like upwork/fiverrrr/etc.

[crimson moss]

Alr thanks, but can i make my projects on those?

[open ivy]

If it's getting hard to find a job in tech, does this mean that there is less work to go around and tech workers are rarely overworked?

[balmy spade]

There's a few assumptions to unpack there.

[peak halo]

No; it could also mean that they're having fewer devs do more work. Or there could be no discernable relationship.
Working conditions tend to depend on the culture of that company.

[balmy spade]

It's not as easy to get a job today as it was in 2018-2020. I don't think this has much to do with less work and I certainly don't feel like workers are rarely overworked.

[smoky quest]

it's freelancing, not about you making projects

[balmy spade]

The jobs are still out there though. A lot of them. And, as Stelercus points out, the culture of the workplace is key. I'm feeling a lot of pressure where I work but most of it is self inflicted. We're at a pivotal moment in the quarter and now is the time to act, so I'm quite crushed in work. xD

[crimson moss]

Yea but how does it work? Like where do i write my code?

[balmy spade]

It seems like you should check out #python-discussion and learn python before seeking to use it as a freelancer.

[smoky quest]

You can write your code where you want.
It's platform where someone state the problem they are trying to solve, and then there are multiple people bidding for taking on said problem

[crimson moss]

Yea but how do i know if my code works? Like where can i see the results of my code

[smoky quest]

If you are wondering that, you aren't ready to do paid work. You should listen to the advice from @balmy spade about learning python first

[crimson moss]

Yea thats ehat im trying to figure out, hwo to build something from code

[smoky quest]

There are resources like https://python.swaroopch.com/ to learn python. Go through that and practice. It will take months too

[crimson moss]

Yea but i dont understand how this works, like what if i want to build something, how do i do that with python, im not talking about the language, but like about how to create something with it

[smoky quest]

these are things you learn as you learn python

[crimson moss]

Ok thanks

[smoky quest]

Take it one step at a time and it will be fine

[deft herald]

For what it's worth, it's quite difficult to go from zero to making money with programming in general. Most people who do it as a full time job have at least a 4 year bachelor's degree. Those who don't have spent lots of time building practical things, either as freelancers, personal projects, or contributing to open source.

To make any money at all will require a significant amount of experience, and to get that you must first learn

[open ivy]

I second this. Bootcamps are not enough. They can't replace years of real world problem solving and learning which personal projects, open source, and actual experience all offer.

[crimson moss]

Thanks, im trying to get started young, i wont say my age but im not an adult yet, and eant to get the most experience i can before going to a college and learning more, and tbh i dont even know how all of this is going to work, but i just hope that with practice and learning it will get sorted out

[deft herald]

Yeah keep with that plan and you'll do fine. The best place for you to get money for now is a job; that is any job around you that you can find, while you use your own time to learn and build skills for the future

[crimson moss]

I was leaning toward game developpement, but i thought that its too much design, so now im into making websites or apps

Im not sure if python is the best panguage for that tho

Language*

[deft herald]

It's a good place to start. If you're going to be making websites, you'll also need to learn HTML, CSS, and JavaScript no matter what you use for the backend

[open ivy]

Also, if you are good at setting boundaries you will not be overworked for the most part. Remember that overwork costs performance, so peak productivity is to dial it back a little and that leaves some time for hobbies/personal Python work.

But mentally it is hard to set boundaries. Like quitting smoking or losing weight, simple in theory does not mean easy.

[summer plover]

Depends, if you're trying to "go big" in terms of game development I wouldn't recommend python.

If you just want to make a small 2d game for fun, then I think Python would be a strong choice.

[smoky quest]

I would dissent here:

• Gamedev != core cross platform engine. Python is quite present in a lot of gamedev related jobs. For instance asset pipelines, tooling, plugins, etc.
• As part of learning to become a software engineer, you will see multiple languages. And so whether one learn python now or something else will have zero bearing on their employability, regardless of the desired role
• Related to the previous point, python is a great first language to learn programming. So there it's a great idea to learn python, even if you want to go into gamedev or work on core cross platform game engines

[summer plover]

Why are you replying to me

[smoky quest]

Because it is a direct response to your message

[summer plover]

Python is used in various games across all platforms except high-end games. That's my point. Now you should be telling him about that, not me. I'm not really interested in game development and if I was I'd just use UE as I always have

I know like 5 games that use py

[smoky quest]

Python is also used high end games.

The way online chats work is that they will also see both your messages and my messages as they scroll down

[summer plover]

I'm pretty sure he meant the actual game and not the plugins and everything around the game. The guy's probably a beginner, but yeah this will help him still

[brave idol]

anyone intersted a beta test for an ai health app?

[smoky quest]

!rule 6

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[brave idol]

QAQ

[teal dune]

Greetings. Not sure if this is the best place to ask but I wanted some help in starting a career in python. I worked with Java and spring for a very long time and I'm looking for a change and I really like the python language. I've worked with making MVC full stack applications and API development. Right now I'm looking at the Django and fast API but I'm also looking at some of the data tools like pandas. Is there some kind of career road map that you would recommend me following?

[neon gulch]

Hi

[white relic]

@true slate , I've removed your off topic link. You are welcome to discuss things related to Python careers here.

[white relic]

There are a lot of careers that use Python. Are you interested in backend web or app development? Data science? If you aren't sure, there's no harm in starting with whatever piques your interest.

[teal dune]

Thank you. Well I know API and Web Dev in Java/Spring. Finding jobs has been difficult though

[warm merlin]

what libraries to learn for data science?

[hallow wren]

i started learning

now i know what float() is and int() so i can make a small calculator

[near ocean]

This is not career related, are you promoting your own videos?

[hushed blaze]

Hy! I am currently working as angular developer with an experience of five years. I worked on JAVA and node js too but I am considering to shift my skill set to python. Can any one guide me regarding from where I have to start and what road map should i follow. Basically I want to shift my skill to AI. Thanks

[vapid jay]

Just curious, how deep did you guys go with non-proprietary implementations of load balances and the like before getting a cloud cert? Is it a bad idea to do so?

I haven't worked with things like load balancers before but understand them in concept, my work is paying me to do gcp's associate cloud engineer and professional cloud architect certs. I'll probably set up some home labs and test it out myself but at work we use gcp so might make more sense to just learn it this way the first go.

[fringe sphinx]

!ban 1299953203219271740 Continuing to post off topic YouTube channels after being warned.

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: applied ban to @true slate permanently.

[mild mango]

i have doubt for python programmers what levl of knowledge should i know as a newby who is attending interview and get selected?

[fringe sphinx]

This question is difficult to answer. It depends on the job you're interviewing for and the companies expectations. What is your background? Do you have a Uni degree?

[fleet iris]

dumb question, but while hiring in relatively big companies do they take into account of your personal life and give more preference to people who came from challenging backgrounds or some one who has a tough backstory

[spark bough]

tbh it's an annoying thing, many ppl got out of jail and they are so skilled yet they get neglected by some companies just because they have a bad past

i think bad past should'nt be taken in consideration unless it's some really serious stuff

[fleet iris]

haha i meant financially and socially backward people not culprits!

[buoyant seal]

never heard about it.
At most companies have "diversity to satisfy policies" stuff. Some percentage of women, black, different physically/mentally chalenged people present and etc
U are supposed to be having papers verifying all those claims i think

[white relic]

It varies, but broadly, no. Companies have an incentive to hire people who will do well, and part of that may involve looking at what disadvantages they may have overcome. But backstory is hard to convey in a resume and when you're filtering 100 resumes, you start with things that are concrete, like projects and degrees and prior experience.
In other words, having a hard background might get you a "bonus point" at some stage in the process but it won't fast-forward you through resume selection. You still need demonstrated skills.

[fleet iris]

okh

[fleet iris]

yea i have seen physically challenged people on work

[wispy lichen]

Has anyone here ever freelanced on Shopify? In terms of being the developer and building stuff for the businesses there. I want to start freelancing but idk where to start to get ppl to hire me. I would mainly do web and app dev.

[turbid shore]

I think I'm having a breakdown of some sort. I often use Reddit, and for those of you who use it, you know that your feed alternates between your communities that you are a part of. I am part of r/cscareerquestions, and every time I open my feed all I see is how people are becoming despondent, due to the fact that they were laid off. Either they have just been laid off, were rejected or ghosted by recruiters, or were laid off some time ago and are unable to find work. It's either indicated in the question title, or somewhere in the body of the message. Nearly every single one.

I would love to create software for companies. I want to be able to build an app for a company and be able to say, "Hey, I created that!". I have been fascinated with creating software for the/ an end user, testing it, fixing it, debugging it, etc. The whole process. I am aware from previous conversations that Computer Science was advised to be the best course of action to allow me to do this. But then I see all these posts and I wonder, "Will I be like them?". I don't want to be jobless and unable to find work. Yet nothing else interests me, so I don't see anything else as a viable option. Am I screwed? Did I invertedly shoot myself in my own foot?

I would appreciate some consolation.

[peak halo]

if you're an absolute beginner (per your nickname), you still probably need to get a CS degree before you'll be a viable candidate, and that would be a few years away. we don't know what the market will look like by then.

[urban geode]

@turbid shore Keep in mind a place like that will naturally attract people who have been laid off, so there's a magnification effect. If you are exposed regularly to a lot of people who have something in common (like job hunts), it's easy to think many more people than there actually are, are like that.

[turbid shore]

I appended that to my name as I am in the process of relearning the language 😅

But yes, I would still need to get a degree
I just worry about getting a degree that serves no purpose as no-one would want me

I have to be sponsored to be in university, so if I get a (dud) degree then it's not like my parents can just pay for me to get another degree.

[turbid shore]

I see; my scope is limited 😬

[buoyant seal]

Some sites are just brain rot and harmful to be honest. Don't watch sites with depressing news and brainless youtube shorts and tick tocks 😉
I can assure you that as long as you put "above average" humanly possible effort and graduated university, getting career in software engineering is pretty much assured.
It is just a question of only discovering that you are indeed able to be... crazy in solving tech solutions, and applying necessary amount of years effort to prepare yourself for that.

I managed to build my career without putting extra time into self studies during uni, i started doing that only after i already graduated from uni.
if u will manage to find direction of your career and prepare for stuff you like to work with in an advance during university time (and find that you aren't opposite to tech stuff), i would say career is guaranteed

[urban geode]

At the end of the day nothing is guaranteed, which is why resilience and flexibility are important attributes to have

[turbid shore]

I assume it's not just tons and tons of Leetcode only?
It requires an understanding of the content and how to manipulate it...

[buoyant seal]

Not leetcode at all.

Best you can do, practice pet projects for people which actually need them, in some gaming communities like Minecraft/Starsector or anything else people actually need, and give you feedback what else they wish there present or fixed
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html
Participating in open source projects potentially too, but not necessary. Building your own useful projects is good too, as long as u managed to make it useful for some audience.

And in general to become comfortable with few general purpose job popular languages in advance. Get familiar with their ecosystem, being able to solve any problems with them.

it would be very nice if u learned writing quality code, artechitectured with unit testing in mind in advance. It makes it very easy to maintain and extend further
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#CodeCompleteAPracticalHandbookofSoftwareConstruction
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns

if you will manage to find internships during uni, participate in hackatons, and being you know active in general, that will be a excellent bonuses in addition.
and an easy break from cycle how to find job experience if not having job experience.

[turbid shore]

I know that my brother does mechatronics but I am not really sure what it is
In my head, it seems quite abstract and I am not exactly gravitating toward is as I am not sure what exactly it is, again.

[turbid shore]

My other issue is my extremely limited knowledge. I only know basic data types, loops, array structures and creating & using functions. That is about it in python.

[buoyant seal]

pick a road to travel and travel. during uni u will have at least 4 years of doing smth.
I self study for years all the time since finished university... my knowledge is always limited, and my learning queue is planned for year ahead at least :/
each year i hope that i will learn all the stuff i wished to conquer and i will be able to be more relaxed in what i am learning. for now this is not remotely close.
(some people say i will never reach that while my career lasts 😄 )

[turbid shore]

Idk if trying to learn databases in Python is too big of a jump from my current knowledge?
I am saying this because I currently major in Pascal, where I am fluent in the native database interactions (no SQL, just yet.)

[fringe sphinx]

Like most things, learning databases/SQL is not "all or nothing". You can learn a little bit as you go.

If you want some resources: #databases message

[turbid shore]

Do you know of a SQLite GUI frontend to view my databases?

[fringe sphinx]

I don't use any gui... but ask in #databases

[urban geode]

https://sqlitebrowser.org/ I use this all the time

[near ocean]

You should practice some leetcode
Most interview processes will ask you leetcode questions

[vapid jay]

They don't verify any of these.

[vapid jay]

Don't go on r/cscareerquestions it's full of people who hate their lives and will make you hate your life too.

[turbid shore]

Oo thanks

[vapid jay]

I honestly would avoid r/cscareerquestions and youtube entirely for tech. Full of miserable people with an incel mindset, scam artists, grifters, etc. This discord is pretty good but has a lot of people with unrealistic expectations as well compared to the normal people I work with.

The funny part about r/cscareerquestions is that's the same reddit saying you have no value as a person if you don't work in faang and you're a loser for not making 200k TC like two years ago.

[true harness]

in the united states, these are required to be reported. https://www.eeoc.gov/initiatives/e-race/significant-eeoc-racecolor-casescovering-private-and-federal-sectors#hiring

[vapid jay]

Yeah, but there is no verification process the person being hired is actually a member of that racial/ethnic group

[fringe sphinx]

In companies I've worked for: there was a goal of "equal opportunity" not "equal outcome". Meaning: We strove to increase the diversity of candidates... but hiring was always merit based.

[crimson moss]

How do i install python

[balmy spade]

https://www.python.org/downloads/

You can join #python-discussion as this channel is for career discussion.

[crimson moss]

Ok thanks

[rancid shard]

Hey Everyone,
I am Soum in my 1st year of BTech
I am a Lil bit confused about what I should do first, I was just getting started with Colts's Web Dev course , some of my seniors said it's better to do ML/AI rather then doing full time WebDev in 2025
I am confused on what to do, can anybody please help me. Or just give me an insight about the upcoming trends at world and industry levels

[forest stirrup]

I am looking for German people who can explain Python to me over time! Is there anyone here?

[obsidian portal]

I was rejected four times by the same company.
The fourth rejection came after an HR interview, even though I passed the technical level for the Customer Support Engineer position (CCNA level). I believe my stammering during the interview might have been a factor.

Some Context

• The role doesn't require work experience—just CCNA knowledge.
• I have 5 years of experience as a Head Barista and strong volunteer leadership in extracurricular activities.

HR Interview Questions & My Answers (Feedback Needed, Please 😁 )

1. Question: I see that you graduated from an online university. Did you interact with native speakers?
My Answer: No, I did not interact with instructors directly because assignments were based on textbooks and videos. However, I did make international friends from around the globe.

2. Question: What did you learn most from your online university?
My Answer: I learned to be responsible and improved my self-learning skills.

3. Question: Why did you attend an online university instead of a local one?
My Answer: During college, I was working full-time, and my financial situation wasn’t the best.

4. Question: If a senior or team leader assigns you a task but you already have a full workload, be honest—don’t tell me you’ll just take it. What would you do?
My Answer: I would discuss my current workload with the senior, explain the situation, and explore alternative solutions. If possible, I would also consider delegating tasks.

I’d really appreciate any feedback or advice on how I could improve these answers 🙂

[smoky quest]

Did they say why you were rejected?

[obsidian portal]

I sent an email, but I haven't received a reply. Is it appropriate to call the interviewer directly since the initial contact was made using their phone number, or should I call the company itself?

[rain python]

what is this area called?

[pastel thunder]

is it fine to say in LOR that:
"....was relentless, he also made substantial imporvement when research paper got rejected...."
will it be a negative statement?

[mint oracle]

research internship position in my department title = analyse the influence of external factors on software realibility and developing release planning strategies
I am thinking to apply how to prepare resume and for this?

[cinder osprey]

I find that once a company rejects you for one position they won’t hire you for something else.

[forest dagger]

hi, above

[hollow trench]

Hey Guys! how are you doing?
for a Business analyst, how is the better way to learn about Python? because I don't will program the giant codes, only to try automatize some actions

[peak halo]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[peak halo]

look at "automate the boring stuff"

@hollow trench if your job involves excel, I would also look into the kaggle pandas tutorial (which is on the resources page).
learning to use python in a computer-but-not-programming job is a superpower. I hope it serves you well

[unreal crater]

How can i sell python services to people

[uneven moat]

Fiverr

[cinder osprey]

So...I can't seem to get hired...anywhere.

[hollow trench]

Thank you, I will find! Yeah I think to automate boring updates is the best way haha

[placid hill]

I'm UPSET. I applied to a pretty nice company, and they basically give you a task to finish within 24 hours. I didn't get to work on it until now, and I have less than 3 hours left. :(

[near ocean]

How big a task is it
Idk how to feel about take homes

[placid hill]

It's all remote, they sent me an email, gave me a selection of tasks, and told me do one or many. I wanted to have some impression, as I don't have any professional experience yet. so I decided to do the hardest one.. according to them at least.

It's a TCP stream transformer. Sits in the middle of another TCP server and a client, client connects to it, it connects to the origin server, gets streams of data from the origin server, needs to censor some parts, and send the streams back to the client.

[peak halo]

tell us your "resume highlights" and what your job hunt strategy is. The advice that you need varies wildly based on your location, education, years of experience, etc.

[hollow oyster]

i love LLMs, ML, DL, AI and Data Science but what is the field that integrates Data Science with AI called? What type of projects do I put on my resume?

[peak halo]

"the field that integrates Data Science with AI called" there isn't a specific term for this, but the skillset that is ascribed to data science has a lot of overlap with the skillset for AI. (In my opinion, "data science" should not be a term.)

If you want to work professionally in a setting that involves LLMs, ML, DK, and AI, you almost certainly have to get a university degree related to them (such as computer science). You will almost certainly never get a job involving them without a relevant degree. So don't worry about resume projects unless you are already currently in a relevant degree program.

[hollow oyster]

I'm a uni freshman

But I want to get internships so idk

[peak halo]

when is the soonest you can take courses related to these interests?

[hollow oyster]

Like 3rd or 4th year

But I love coding so I want to learn it faster

[peak halo]

See if there are opportunities to do AI in some organized capacity on campus. If you do a project with the "CS department AI club" or work in an on-campus lab, that will have way more perceived value by internship hirers than personal projects.

I was only able to get a job in AI because I worked in an on-campus lab with a research professor. If I had applied to my current job with only personal projects on my resume, they would have launched my resume into a landfill.

[hollow oyster]

Oh I will try

[hollow oyster]

Wait what that's so cool I also want a job in AI

May I perchance DM you or would that be a bother

[peak halo]

You can ask questions here. I will not try to help you get a job with my company specifically, if that's what you were going to ask.

[hollow oyster]

No that's not what I wanted. Besides I already have a company I want to join but I just wanted to ask you and discuss with you AI tools and stuff so I can learn a bit from you maybe. But ok no problem.

[peak halo]

You can ask questions about AI tools and stuff in #data-science-and-ml and get a wider variety of answers than if you only asked me.

[hollow oyster]

I have no more questions. I will try to join some ai club and make some projects

Thank you

[hollow oyster]

Like any tools? That would be crazy. Thanks

[cinder osprey]

I’m a recent graduate who can code. I did an internship at a credit union. There’s really not a lot to my resume.

[velvet sigil]

i'm trying to get into devops and i was told to first go into either dev or ops.. im still trying to decide which route to take, which may be the fastest etc. does anyone have advice/feedback about trying to get a dev job by self-studying? (difficulty, time, etc) i have the basics of python down so far, halfway through HeadFirst Python 3rd edition, next book will be Automate The Boring Stuff

[smoky quest]

A degree remains the path of least resistance with the most opportunities and compensation.
Self studying means you are chooseing a path of extreme resistance with less opportunities and lower compensation

[smoky quest]

You can also leverage your projects!
Feel free to send here an anonymized version of your resume

[velvet sigil]

I see, thank you. I do currently have a degree but in graphic design. Would you recommend I get one in comp sci as well?

or try for a masters? or would that be way too hard to start without being very well versed

[vapid jay]

Dont answer, paypal.me/snowtoru for more coaching

[fringe sphinx]

See channel description and topic. This isn't on topic or relevant.

Probably some other server. This is "Python Discord".

[vapid jay]

Hahahaha

Go dms ill help you out coz i dont think heres the place for that @vapid jay

[pseudo star]

guys i just got my python it specailist certifacation from certiport, i waas wondering what career oppurtunitys i could get from this?

[pine sleet]

pretty much none

[pseudo star]

damn so its just for show?

[pine sleet]

there aren't really any good python certificates and i haven't heard of that particular one either so

[pine sleet]

pretty much

[fringe sphinx]

Think of it as the first step, not the last step. You took the leap, you learned a bit. Now, practice... and expand yourknowledge.

At the same time, there are many jobs in tech that can be a good stepping stone. QA and Tech Support are good ways to get into tech companies and build your experience.

[smoky quest]

In terms of career a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[fleet iris]

Is this the slogan of this channel

[peak halo]

Yes.

[fringe sphinx]

We should get it printed on t-shirts.

[smoky quest]

facts

[summer plover]

How much does GPA impact your career path?
Like how important is it for your career?

I know about other stuff, just tell me specifically about the GPA, because I've only once heard anyone ever mention it in here.

[smoky quest]

it depends

[dense patio]

Some companies (mostly banks and finance) will have a GPA req to apply 3.0 or 3.2, not majority of them just some. Other than that nobody asks or cares for GPA.

[smoky quest]

yeah, if you are in an area with tons of highly educated applicants, it can become part of the differentiator

[true harness]

also important for further education

[smoky quest]

Plus there is the correlation vs causation part.
Having a high GPA doesn't mean you are the best, but having a high GPA does mean you were successful at all the exams/tests/projects and thus you are also likely to be a high achiever with a lot under your belt

so it's like asking if the GPA matters for any job, vs asking if it matters for a job a high profile job

[dense patio]

jane street doesnt care either

[smoky quest]

they do hire a lot from high profile schools though

[dense patio]

Yea theres a carnegie mellon pipeline but they dont ask / care for gpa. They look for math competitions winners or some other notable achievements.

[smoky quest]

I am still waiting to see the average cmu student or average math competition winner with a low gpa

[dense patio]

lol true

[smoky quest]

I can be as open ended as I want, but if I still hire the top of the crop, the average applicant is unlikely to not be a high achiever

This is kind of annoying me because students interpret it as still having a chance at the top jobs without putting the required efforts

[summer plover]

CS math double major

[summer plover]

4 years is enough for me lol but that's not the point, I might change my mind later

[dense patio]

In my experience, the 3.8 - 4.0 students aren't getting the best internships / new grad positions. It's the 2.8 - 3.5 kids. There could be alot of reasons, but mine is that I don't see how you can achieve a 3.8 - 4.0 and be taking job applications and interviewing seriously. If you're in a serious program at a good school, it really isn't possible.

Like you should be applying to over 100 positions, grinding leetcode, researching the company about to go interview with, looking at previous leetcodes they asked ... it takes a ridiculous amount of time. Interviewing is nothing like what you do at school, or even what you do at the job itself. It's literally a skill of its own and if you put time and effort into that, you'll succeed.

[summer plover]

I already started the leetcode grind

[dense patio]

prada u

[smoky quest]

it's possible. I have had a few of these.

But at that stage, most students don't know about life/internships/interviews anyway

[summer plover]

Why the US flag

I'm in Canada rn but an internship in the US would be great

[smoky quest]

fyi, there are a lot of US internships that wrap up by thanksgiving. Though January and beyond should have some more

[summer plover]

I finish in April

[smoky quest]

So for next year, start looking for internships by end of august

well, one less thing to worry about then

[summer plover]

So right before the fall term starts

[summer plover]

Yeah well I finish in April this year and next year but next year I'm doing coop if yk what that is

I'm glad co-op exists

[smoky quest]

nice!

[summer plover]

It's paid experience, they consider the fact that you've only studied 2 years and you alternate work and study terms, so that would fill up the whole year! Barely any weeks off, but the grind never ends

And the placement rate is 90% for CS students in my uni 😮

[zinc acorn]

Sup chat

[sterile crescent]

hey guys, can you give some feedback about my github page and projects https://github.com/sundanc/

[buoyant ocean]

Hey friends. Currently about to start my second year in my computer science bachelor's degree and im starting to think about where I ultimately want to end up.

USA seems like the obvious choice but I'm looking at Canada too.

But for the US just how hard is it to get in with a formal degree. I'm maintaining a A so far if that matters 🙂

I'm also in New Zealand.

[vapid jay]

the US for sure but getting a visa is hard

FWIW I'm a US citizen studying in Asia rn and the visa requirements here are a joke compared to the US

[safe locust]

anyone have good resume template like in which my these things can fit easily in 1 page

heading
Education
Skills
experience
publication
project
achievments

please help me someone am really tensed with this proper resume template.

[fringe sphinx]

#career-advice message @safe locust see this template

[safe locust]

not that good brother

[fringe sphinx]

What?

[safe locust]

like i need to put many things that is short

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know what you mean. What I shared is a normal resume template.

[safe locust]

it will reach till 2nd page i know because of my content

do you have any others ?for preview.

[fringe sphinx]

Why would you content make it take 2 pages?

[fringe sphinx]

They all look about the same, like: https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

[safe locust]

see my content rn.

[fringe sphinx]

Those experience bullets: Shorten them to one line. No reason for one word to overflow.

Also, that's some serious GPT phrasing there. "Improved Optimizing algorithms.... achieving a remarkable 20%..."

[safe locust]

shall i only put 1 bullet point you want to say this ?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm saying: should be one line

No reason to wrap that line just for 93%

[safe locust]

what to do then how shall i make it till 1 line

[fringe sphinx]

There's too much emphasis on results/impact in these bullets. Emphasize what you did: What language? What tools? What problem did you solve?

Hours of footage, precision and recall are not terribly interesting (they should be a small part of the bullet, not the entire thing), and that's the entirety of the bullet.

[safe locust]

how shall i shorten it then

can you help @fringe sphinx need to improve it for Amazon SDE-1

[fringe sphinx]

I can't help right now with shortening them. What you should do is: write different versions of the bullets and seek out input/feedback. Your Uni may have advisors who can help too.

To be clear: I think this is a good resume, and with a little work on the bullets, you can make a great resume.

[safe locust]

no one helps us in college truly saying.
so you mean this template is good na ?

[fringe sphinx]

The template looks good, yes. And, your content also looks good. You can make the content better, but it's a really good start

[safe locust]

the refferal is waiting brother to refer me at amazon thats why am in hurry i will really be grateful to you if you can help me to improve that you are asking me to change.

[molten warren]

gah dang

[fringe sphinx]

Please redact your personal info... not great to have on the internet

[radiant vortex]

If I apply to a job, they get back to me and ask me some questions, but during that time somebody referred me for the job through the internal process...should I still send a response to the questions or wait for them to contact me? 🤔

[fringe sphinx]

If they already contacted you, I'd respond. An internal referral usually isn't much more than: "give the resume to HR and hope they contact you".

(depends on size of company tho, in some smaller companies, an internal referral might mean: "I handed the resume to the hiring manager, and they might reach out to you")

[radiant vortex]

okay will do thanks

[cobalt harbor]

am i even gonna get a job in the UK as a software engineer.

[cobalt harbor]

So National Careers Guidance and Support gave me a link to this site for work experience and stuff. In that website its collaborated with big companies such as Amazon, Barclays, fujitsu, amazon etc. I get a certification by the website if i complete their course. Would it be a good use in my cv and is it worth doing?
But like the certification itself is not from big companies such as amazon as its just an collaboration

[pure merlin]

Now I am developing twitter bot, and I need help, if you have exp in X bot and RAG development, DM

[peak halo]

it's easier for everyone (including you) if you ask a full question in the server. See #❓｜how-to-get-help

@grim sable your message was removed for soliciting employment

[rapid otter]

is there any fast way to start python?

[fringe sphinx]

Ask in #python-discussion , they can recommend a tutorial

[torn bison]

Is there a visual Studio dc??

[peak halo]

dc? you can ask for help with editors and IDEs in #editors-ides

[torn bison]

Visual Studio discord, I badly needed the 57 tools

[rugged axle]

are there any languages that have high demand but low supply help me cut out the competition ?

[peak halo]

COBOL

@past estuary your message was removed for containing solitication

[rugged axle]

r u serious ? Will there be junior jobs ?

[near ocean]

No

[rugged axle]

how am I gonna apply if no junior jobs ?

[near ocean]

You wont get a cobol job as a junior

[true harness]

you should also just not learn cobol to begin with, in terms of career

[rugged axle]

My dev pay is not that high. I applied to well found but I am getting offers but I get ghosted even before the interview happen

I got some indian offers that offer the same pay as current one

[muted night]

guys i got a question
does competitive programming helps in getting hired

should i invest my time in it

[peak halo]

I don't think so. Definitely not in my department.

[peak halo]

Probably not. Competitive programming is specifically about coming up with efficient solutions to optimization problems, which is quite narrow. it doesn't really generalize to the kinds of things developers do "in real life".

[digital fjord]

There are definitely jobs which would care about an excellent competitive programmer, but it isn't all of them.

[muted night]

i've heard that companies ask the same questions in interviews and tests

[rugged axle]

I leanred MERN, Django, React Native, Godot,Docker and am doing some open source

[digital fjord]

You will probably have to go over some leetcode to pass a technical interview, but competitive programming is generally overkill if all you want is to pass technical interview.

[rugged axle]

i am trying to help in mattermost, rocket.chat, freecodecamp, memo

u wanna see my PRs ?

I got an offer for 60k - 130k$ but i couldnt do the task there was so much pressure from work on me

[grim whale]

On indeed there is a job for £31 a hour just for coding ai you can be computer science or other sciences etc

[rugged axle]

is there remote opportunity sir there ?

[grim whale]

It's on this website

Data annotation tech

The python devolper is a different conpany

[near ocean]

Data annotation is not a software job

[grim whale]

It says its a job

[peak halo]

yeah, but it doesn't involve programming. it involves creating training data for the AI programmers.

[grim whale]

Ok

[near ocean]

Its also not a full time job no matter what they say
You sign up, they tell you how much you can work because they only give you tasks for x hours of work

Theres tons of people who sign up and get maybe their first week's work be 40h, and then nothing

[rugged axle]

that looks like big money

[grim whale]

I went on website and it if you put coding option it is worth it

I can't do it now because I am getting a new pc soon

[rugged axle]

I have been saving money for quite some time too for a pc

are open source projects really worth it ?

[ashen wraith]

Can you scale up to 1k usd a month as a beginner at programming?

[peak halo]

beginner jobs are really only available to university students as internships. and then entry-level jobs for degree holders pay more than that.

[ashen wraith]

I'm self taught so is it a good idea to keep going?

[peak halo]

do you have any university education?
the market is tough right now. if you don't have a degree, you probably won't get any interviews.

[rugged axle]

r u from india ?

[ashen wraith]

I'm a 3rd year nurse student so the answer is no.

[peak halo]

they said USD, so the reasonable assumption is that they're in the US unless otherwise specified.

[rugged axle]

ok

[ashen wraith]

No

[peak halo]

I don't think you'll be able to make any money with python skills.

[cinder osprey]

So what skills do make money?

[peak halo]

generally speaking, you don't make money because you "know python". you make money because you conceptually understand a certain category of software development (for example, web development) and know the software stack that that company uses for that category (categories can have multiple, partially-overlapping stacks)

[hoary pike]

What versions of Python are acceptable to work with?

I am looking to possibly use MAMP as a development platform, and want to make sure I know which versions of Python are relevant so I can then see if MAMP Pro supports them

(Have never coded in Python yet)

[peak halo]

what do you mean by "version" of python?

[void tendon]

As a fresh and rookie tech enthusiast, i am looking to learn some skills and set a target role for me. But i need some advice about what i should focus on becoming like a cloud engineer or a web dev etc and based on that skills i should learn. Due to the rapid change and demand in the industry i want to rather learn skills for a role that will help me secure a good job.

[hoary pike]

Just what it sounds like... The software version

[peak halo]

especially in this market, getting a degree in computer science would be the path of least resistance with the most opportunity and compensation.

[pine sleet]

what are you interested in? you would go further if you pursued something you were interested in than if you chased whatever makes the most money

[peak halo]

I usually stay two versions behind.

[hoary pike]

So what is the newest version? And which version do you use?

[pine sleet]

3.13 is the newest but it was only released a few months ago so not all libraries and codebases have support for it yet

[void tendon]

but i need to have a specialty

[peak halo]

you can see all the versions here and their maintenance status. 3.13 is the newest version. 3.14 is in development. https://www.python.org/downloads/

[pine sleet]

everything before 3.9 is in end of life so

[void tendon]

well i am quite interested in cloud or web dev as full stack

[hoary pike]

Which version do you use?

[void tendon]

but as i dont know much about them i am not sure what should i do

[pine sleet]

there should be classes tailored to these at your university

you can take them as electives during your cs degree

[void tendon]

hmm maybe

[peak halo]

you don't need to think that hard about it. yesterday I created a VM that already had 3.12 installed, so I just used that. I'll keep using 3.12 on that system unless I have to use a library that doesn't support 3.12 yet (not likely to happen), but I probably won't use any 3.12-specific features, either.

[pine sleet]

yeah as long as your python version isn't EOL or bleeding edge you'll find out it won't have too much impact on what you're doing

[hoary pike]

Well, I am making sure that MAMP Pro 7 will support what I need before I buy it. Any advice on "must haves" would be helpful to me. Here are things it sound slike I need....

[peak halo]

idk what MAMP Pro 7 is.

but it sounds like this isn't a careers question.

[hoary pike]

MAMP is a solution stack composed of free and open-source and proprietary commercial software used together to develop and run dynamic websites on Apple Macintosh computers.

Oops. My Discord was default to career-discussion

Let me ask under python-discussion

Sorry

[cobalt harbor]

Can someone help me write a text to send out to companies for work exp am 15 got no clue and no help

[near ocean]

Youre not going to be hired for software work at 15
Keep your grades up and go to college

[cobalt harbor]

its work experience. free unpaid work that i do for experience

schools across the country are doing it and its a legal requirement. its for 4 days

[hazy stratus]

Where do I go for general python help

[near ocean]

#python-discussion

[hazy stratus]

Ty

[cobalt harbor]

can you help @near ocean ?

[smoky quest]

Are you asking for advice about a cover letter?

[cobalt harbor]

yeah

[smoky quest]

It will be far more efficient for everyone if you:

• Write your cover letter
• Show us your draft for review and feedback

There are tons of guides online about how to write one and they are a good place to start

[sand patio]

is there a list of companies that are openly accepting people for this?

were you given one by the school?

[cobalt harbor]

yeah but very late because they need to gather it and by then its probably be gone.

theres gonna be alot of competition as many schools are doing it same time

[sand patio]

I see

I'd still send emails out to those companies regardless, and then try and find some aside from those on top of that.

[cobalt harbor]

yeah thats what im trying to do

[sand patio]

go ahead and do what recursive_error recommended; you can send a draft here and people can look over it.

[smoky quest]

and don't forget a resume

!rule 6

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[sand patio]

we aren't a job board, please don't post this here.

[cobalt harbor]

whats that? I dont have anything to put on resume

[smoky quest]

it's sometimes called a CV as well.
It's like a one page that helps show who you are and which skills you have demonstrated

[cobalt harbor]

i dont have past experiences. would it not look empty?

[smoky quest]

It contains far more than just your previous jobs! (of which you have none)

Think about it from the other side:
They receive thousands of applications. Who are they? What skills do they have? You don't know any of the applicants, so they can be a 18 years old who has never touched a computer, or a 13 years old genius.

And so the resume is a one page that will list your name education (which grade, etc.), your projects and other skills

[cobalt harbor]

oh okay i will attempt to make one

[smoky quest]

it will also make you look more professional 🙂

[cobalt harbor]

can AI generate me a template and can i use that?

[smoky quest]

I wouldn't risk it. That's the first thing the companies will look at and judge you on.

[pine sleet]

there are already good templates out there. jake's resume is a popular template many people like

[cobalt harbor]

ah okay

[cobalt harbor]

link? for cover letter template

[cobalt harbor]

how long should it be?

[smoky quest]

one page

[pine sleet]

https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

[cobalt harbor]

Huh 1 PAge??!?!?!?!??

[pine sleet]

no more no less

[smoky quest]

indeed

[cobalt harbor]

I dont have past job

[pine sleet]

you don't only put jobs on there

put your school involvement, projects you've done, other volunteer stuff, etc

[cobalt harbor]

oh okay

[cobalt harbor]

this so hard

[smoky quest]

welcome to adulthood

And that's why a CS degree will be the path of least resistance with the most opportunities and compensation.

So make sure you continue to go to school so you have a better education and skills

[cobalt harbor]

will i even land a job in the uk?, do remote jobs actually even exist

[balmy spade]

Remove jobs do exist. I have one.

[smoky quest]

why wouldn't you if you work towards that?

[cobalt harbor]

Everyone says theres so much competition and its over saturated

[cobalt harbor]

How popular is it and can i be in a diffrent country?

[smoky quest]

Companies are still hiring and growing.
The main thing is to make sure you max out along all the dimensions of education, projects and skills

[cobalt harbor]

okay

[balmy spade]

Working for a different country from another is an entirely different set of challenges. I don't know how any of that works.

[fringe sphinx]

It's a complex topic. The job market is not some monolithic thing, theres many dimensions to it (location, specialty, company, job description, your experience, macro economic factors, etch

[cobalt harbor]

;)

[balmy spade]

Everyone likes to complain. It's true.

[cobalt harbor]

good knowing i wont be homeless.

[tawny river]

Does anyone use Python for cloud computing/engineering?

[smoky quest]

many people do

[tawny river]

do you?

[smoky quest]

I do a lot of things

[pine sleet]

if you have work authorization in the country yes

[smoky quest]

If you work in country A and want to work remotely for a company in country B, you only need a work authorization from B to work remotely in A. The only exception is if there is an export control situation (ex: you want to work for a company in the USA from Iran or North Korea)

There are still paperwork related to taxes and stuff though, as for any international relationships

[cobalt harbor]

North korea as example is crazy

[cobalt harbor]

Do i need to learn about hardware for CS? is it needed for software engineering becaue mostly for my GCSES its all hardware related and barley any coding

[fringe sphinx]

'Need'? No. Typically? Yes.

[cobalt harbor]

wdym

[fringe sphinx]

At least in US CS programs, you can probably avoid any hardware related courses if you really wanted to

[peak halo]

Nobody told me that 😢
(and it wouldn't have been true)

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, the ones I've seen put most of the hardware in electives. Which course was required?

Regardless, it's good to have a broad foundation

[peak halo]

it was about transistors and logic gates and stuff. I think the only useful part was discussing different encodings for numbers.
they made it so most of our grade for the course was assembly assignments, which were tedious, but not difficult.

[fringe sphinx]

Hmm. I guess that's fair, I wasn't thinking of processor course (I can't remember my course title either) as hardware, but yah.

[cobalt harbor]

this is so hard

Imma wake up early tmrw and do it

[ashen wraith]

Python is like a door to the programming world for me when you know the basics of it you move to more specilzed area and you can use Python knowledge as an assistant for you to sell digital products etc.

I hate talking about the potential of it I prefer doing it in the real world to not get my expectations so high.

[faint depot]

If youre in GCSEs just focus on exploring what computing and programming in general. Dont need to think about what you need to specialise now

[pulsar talon]

i never met an north korean

[summer plover]

Yeah we have a few Comp Eng classes but it's only like 2 classes in 4 years

[summer plover]

I believe most have at least one mandatory course that involves hardware

It would be weird having a CS degree and not having a minimum knowledge about the architecture

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, maybe I should've have qualified that better: "You can probably avoid most hardware related courses when you select your electives"

[tame heath]

Hey, I have an swe coding inteview with Jane Street in a few days. I, myself havent studied compsci or anything related to that field. Any things you guys recommend to prep with. Have been solving hard LeetCode questions the past days on different topics, but am not sure if that is enough.

[fringe sphinx]

What degree do you have, and what job are you interviewing for?

[tame heath]

swe internship

no degree yet, pursuing a bachelor in econometrics

[fringe sphinx]

That's interesting... I don't know, but I wonder if they'd target the questions to your background, rather than going deep on the CS side. Is it a quant related role, or just pure SWE?

[tame heath]

pure swe

but i got a portfolio thats almost only swe lol, i do programming a lot on the side

[summer plover]

Guys, as a freshman what should I do during the winter break to boost my chances of getting an internship for summer 2025

[fringe sphinx]

If the interview is in a few days, there's probably not much "new" you can cram in that timeframe. Three generic things:

• Review your resume and be prepared for questions about any bullet. Be prepared for easy questions, like: "Tell me about yourself". or, "Tell me about a hard project you worked on"
• Some leetcode is good, because those types of questions tend to come up a lot. But, there's also many interview questions out there
• Practice not knowing the answer: How would you handle being stuck? Can you talk through a problem, so the interviewer sees how you think?

[summer plover]

Does anyone have any suggestions? I need to find more internships to apply for (accessible ones for a first year student)

[summer plover]

I've heard that knowing more about the company can you make you stand out too, specifically when you answer the question "Why did you choose us?" or "Why do you want to work with us?".

Can you confirm?

[digital fjord]

In both interviews I've been in this was asked with an expectation of an answer.

[fringe sphinx]

And, the old favorite: "Where do you see yourself in 5 years?"

(I hate all of these types of questions)

[summer plover]

No, I know that you have to answer those questions, but sometimes you wanna have some extra knowledge to show the interviewer that you've done a little bg research about the company

[digital fjord]

yea, you should know what the company does, what the team you're applying to does and such.

[summer plover]

Well I'm still a student but I'm hoping that those questions are the ones that will really make a difference.

[fleet reef]

Why?

[summer plover]

Imagine actually pulling this 🤣 surprise the interviewer before he shocks you

[fringe sphinx]

I don't think it's the substance of the answer, but how you deliver it, that matters with these questions. Can you have a regular conversation with a human and all that.

[summer plover]

Yeah I thought anticipating those questions makes them easy to answer

[fringe sphinx]

I don't think it tells me much about the person

Maybe I'm overstating it, but they don't feel very conversational... it feels forced.

[summer plover]

I've watched a couple of videos where people who have interviewed before tell you what they expect when asking those type of questions.

[fringe sphinx]

One advice is to prepare 2 or 3 "stories" that you can return you. Find interesting things in your life or experience, and use them

[summer plover]

"that you can return you" ?

[fringe sphinx]

to.. I mean. Things that you can weave into different topics.

[summer plover]

oh alr, thanks

[summer plover]

That actually was what I did on my college essay last year lol

with 1 main event ofc but with a little of every other experience and aspect of my life

[tame heath]

what is a good answer

[fringe sphinx]

my opinion: answer matters less than - can you string together some coherent answer that makes it sound like you actually want to be a SWE

[tame heath]

ahh i see

[summer plover]

I think being eloquent and interesting can be captivating factors

[fringe sphinx]

Think of these questions as 50% - "Are you a normal human who can have a conversation?" and 50%: - "Do you have a good attitude?"

[fringe sphinx]

I dunno, don't be too eloquent nor too interesting... just be normal 🙂

[fast fossil]

can I tell 'em about that one time I couldn't find housing as a student in a foreign country and had to sleep in a tent for a couple weeks? 😁

[fringe sphinx]

You could certainly use that for a few different questions (adversity, problem solving, independence, maybe teamwork?)

[fast fossil]

Thought so, if I can weave it around some strength of mine, then it might seem entertaining and somewhat powerful I guess

[summer plover]

Does that have anything to do with wanting to know how you talk to other people and how well you can express yourself in a casual way

[summer plover]

Anyone?

[fringe sphinx]

I guess. There's some great videos with differnet opinions about what makes good answers to these. Different people are looking for different things... but: my point is just - these are easy things to practice.

[cobalt harbor]

Oh okay

[tame heath]

in this case they actually approached me tho

so i feel like such a question would be kind of off place right?

[true harness]

they approached you, but you still agreed to the interview. why did you do that?

[tame heath]

okay fair

[fringe sphinx]

What kind of question would be off place?

[faint depot]

One of my biggest regrets in life was focusing too much on the future and my aims when I was young. Dont ever be me. Dont be afraid to explore

[mortal wedge]

Yeah. It's easy to get caught up in the future. I'm not saying you shouldn't plan for the future or have dreams, but not at the expense of like.... your present.

Especially because if those plans don't work out, you kind of have nothing.

[gleaming wren]

Could I get career advice

[balmy spade]

If you ask a specific question, I'm sure we can come up with some opinions.

[deft herald]

Ask away my friend

[gleaming wren]

Basically, I’ve been hearing the job market is really bad and the only way I’ll be able to get a job is if I go to masters. Just been feeling a lot of pressure but I can’t even get recommendations

[fringe sphinx]

Who has been telling you this?

[gleaming wren]

Esp family. My parents and relatives are in software. They got their masters. They said I have to too. But it’s true tho that the job market is bad. The field is oversaturated and somehow one would have to stand out

[fringe sphinx]

What country are you in?

[gleaming wren]

US

[fringe sphinx]

Then I think you're hearing an exaggeration, the market is slower than it was during the red hot Covid times, but people are getting jobs.

The fears of over saturation are grossly exaggerated. There's a lot of factors at play: many of them have nothing to do with CS majors (economic factors)

The best way to discover the truth of this is to apply for jobs yourself: after preparing your resume as best as you can

[gleaming wren]

Yeah I should try that but also I don’t know how to handle the pressure. It’s like everyone is screaming at me that my future is doomed if I don’t get a masters or even don’t immediately take a masters

[fringe sphinx]

And while I think a masters is a good thing, it's not some magical: 'get an amazing job' cheat code

[gleaming wren]

The topic masters just always seems to come up when I’m with family

[fringe sphinx]

A masters is always an option while you're working.

I'm not saying don't do it, I'm just saying there's different points of view

[gleaming wren]

But how do I get recs? I need three recs

[fringe sphinx]

You're a college student. I'm sure you can figure that out!

(Hint; ask a professor)

[gleaming wren]

Yeah I should’ve been a research assistant or been a learning assistant for classes. But it’s too late so I can’t build a relationship. Yeah I emailed two profs and they both didn’t respond and it’s been almost two weeks

Last chance is going to office hours for next sem classes but idk

[true harness]

when are you graduating?

[gleaming wren]

Technically after this summer

[gleaming wren]

I’m taking a summer semester but it’s just so I can complete 2 gen eds. My upcoming semester I’m taking 3 cs classes

[long solar]

Do jobs care which classes you took if you still get the same degree

[deft plaza]

I hope the market gets better by 5 years time

[smoky quest]

it's not about which class you take but which skills you develop

[gleaming wren]

Mhm so what am I supposed to do now

[true harness]

it's definitely too late to apply for fall 2025 masters

[gleaming wren]

Yeah for sure. I know I was thinking of for spring but yea earlier I did think maybe I could apply for ones that had deadlines in January or March

Just why do these profs have to make it so hard for me to get a recommendation from them

[true harness]

you want it to be hard. if you haven't worked with them for a relatively long time, how can they talk about your work ethic, resilience, professionalism, etc

[gleaming wren]

But I just need a recommendation. Not necessarily a good one. I just need to get a masters

It’ll be impossible then for me to get a masters if I didn’t manage to work with any of them in my four years

[true harness]

what kind of schools were you looking to apply to? if they want 3 recommendations, they are going to read them. and if you don't have actual recommendations, where the prof actually thinks you are a good candidate, you will definitely be rejected

[gleaming wren]

Um im just thinking UCs, Santa Clara Uni, San Jose state, maybe some universities in texas or colorado

[gleaming wren]

Will meeting profs in office hours do anything?

[gleaming wren]

but it’s just a given to ask for recs

[true harness]

it is a given. it is also a given for profs that don't know you to either decline or write a poor recommendation

[gleaming wren]

So what am I supposed to do if I messed up my undergrad and didn’t prepare for masters

[true harness]

sure. anything where they can get to know you as a student. but you should have a genuine interest in going to office hours. ideally you would take multiple courses over several semesters with the same prof, or research with them, or ta for one of their classes

[gleaming wren]

But that’s very ideal. Professors often teach few courses. At best rn, I’m taking two profs for the second time but didn’t talk to them in the first

TA isn’t possible for cs classes here

Research is one option that I missed

[true harness]

honestly, not sure what you would do. you haven't even done the bare minimum of talking to the prof you want to recommend you face to face. email is easy to ignore, especially if they don't know you. have you done internships? manager from your internship is a good recommendation

[smoky quest]

fyi you will have the same question with your career. Jobs will often ask to talk to people who have worked with you

[true harness]

the weight is a lot lower on references, right?

[gleaming wren]

But in jobs, u have to interact. In classes, if u have questions, u usually ask the ta

[smoky quest]

you don't necessarily have to interact with everyone, nor will you necessarily leave a good impression

[gleaming wren]

Btw when you applied, who wrote ur recs?

[true harness]

you don't have to interact. you could just keep everything transactional, or whatever. diving deeper and getting to know people more is different and takes effort

[true harness]

I am in the process of applying 😢. 2 profs, 1 manager from internship

[gleaming wren]

Well usually it’s a team. There’s mandatory meetings

[gleaming wren]

Oh are u a senior?

[true harness]

something like that

[smoky quest]

It doesn't mean you have to interact much in these mandatory meetings. Do you know very well everyone in your class? Would you vouch and give detailed recommendation for every single one of your classmates despite going to the same mandatory meetings?

[gleaming wren]

How did u know those profs? Worked for them or office hours? How did u ask them

[gleaming wren]

Well a class is like a 100+ people. But yeah in a discussion group, yeah I could write a rec bc I worked with them

[smoky quest]

and would you write a positive recommendation for each single one of the people in your group?

[gleaming wren]

I would try

[smoky quest]

there is no try. You are staking your name to it.

[gleaming wren]

How is my name affected

[smoky quest]

if you write a recommendation for your friend, and they turn out to not be good, that reflects badly on you

[gleaming wren]

But they’re not hiring me

[smoky quest]

I am simplifying the situation for you. It gets more complicated than that.

[gleaming wren]

I don’t know what to do bc I never was sure about getting masters esp bc I thought it’s not mandatory/necessary

And now I have to deal with this as a 4th year nearly done

It’s stressing me out. I should be studying for finals. But just feeling down about all this

[smoky quest]

do a masters because you want more advanced positions. Don't do a masters to compete for bsc level positions

[gleaming wren]

But how do I not feel down when I feel pressure esp from relatives about oh I should get masters immediately. Also idek what field I’m interested in

[dreamy shadow]

You can always go back for a masters after working for a few years. Experience + As in a few post undergrad courses can help you get into a masters.

[gleaming wren]

What are post undergrad courses if not masters?

[dreamy shadow]

Universities often allow you to take courses not for a degree.

[smoky quest]

Overall, a masters is a great idea. But like everything, if it is misused or without purpose, it can be wasted.
A masters is an opportunity to get deeper into an area too.

If you don't know which field you want to specialize in, then look for opportunities that still keep your future broad enough

[dreamy shadow]

"non-degree seeking student"

[smoky quest]

Also from my experience and my network, people who leave school will rarely go back to it. Once you get a job, you start developing your life and many things can happen, like building a family. This means people will often find themselves with far less time/energy to deal with a masters

[gleaming wren]

But I looked up that the average age for masters is like 25-30 not 22

[dreamy shadow]

Masters these days are built more towards working professionals. Hence the part time.

[smoky quest]

depends on the country, etc.

try to imagine yourself with either a job or a family. How will you find the time to study and go back to school? Would you go back to school in the evening or would you quit your job?

[gleaming wren]

Exactly so why are so many people heading straight after graduation

[gleaming wren]

Part time should work. Many people say their masters gets paid by their company

[dreamy shadow]

Because, like recursive mentioned, it's often harder than just going directly after undergrad.

[smoky quest]

Sure. I know someone who got divorced by doing it part time 😉

[gleaming wren]

But the selection process is the same

[gleaming wren]

It’s just 1-2 years tho. Shouldn’t be a deal breaker

[smoky quest]

if it's that easy, then might as well get over with it now

[dreamy shadow]

Once your a working professional, your work experience weights more.

[gleaming wren]

It’s getting recs that’s hard

[smoky quest]

that's the easiest part

[gleaming wren]

It’s just statement of purpose, gpa, recs. That’s what people who got in told me

[smoky quest]

If you worked hard and did a good job and are known favorably because of all of that, then getting recommendation letter would flow naturally

[gleaming wren]

U could do well in a class but not have talked to the prof in person

[smoky quest]

sure but that's correlation vs causation

and for you, personally, it comes down to fixing it asap

[gleaming wren]

Ugh most ppl don’t go to office hours

[smoky quest]

does it matter? What matters is your recommendation letters

[gleaming wren]

So what did u do like how did u get recs

[smoky quest]

if most people don't go to office hours, then you can find an edge

[smoky quest]

I was an enthusiastic student having good grades and trying to learn things. So teachers knew me

I also gave recommendations to students as they did a great job and were worth it

[gleaming wren]

I guess the norm here is people got masters or are about to get it

[smoky quest]

you have all sorts of people here. The norm, if anything, would be to have teenagers who haven't reached college yet

[gleaming wren]

Sighhh, look it’s hard to be enthusiastic. Not everyone goes to class and is just so happy to be there. They just go there to learn the material

[smoky quest]

The average age of the people on this discord is below 18

[true harness]

why care about everyone else. just makes it easier to stand out if you are truly interested

[smoky quest]

yes and?
Is it abnormal to have enthusiastic students, who go the extra mile, to be more rewarded than the people who just go through the motion?

[gleaming wren]

How would I know what I’m interested in.. most people don’t know what to do with their lives right after high school

[true harness]

well, you are in the course. you can decide if you like it or not

[smoky quest]

Try things!
We are lucky that in CS, most things are free! So see what's out there and try them! See what you vibe with and what you hate

[gleaming wren]

We only learn at an intro level about any topic. Do you really think all those students out there are going into ai and data science bc they love it? It’s just bc there’s demand there. First two years in school we learn basics of coding. Last two years we take a bunch of electives. Everything is different so people are still exploring

[smoky quest]

yes and?

if someone only does it for the money, they won't get as far as someone who does it because they truly enjoy it

[true harness]

so what did you explore? did you like those courses?

[gleaming wren]

I don’t know yet

[gleaming wren]

Idk what u expect me to do. Am I supposed to just flip a switch in my head and say Yay!! I love sitting in class. Also vast majority of profs are bad at teaching or don’t care enough so that affects the enjoyment of the material

[true harness]

I'm not sure if you actually want advice or not. good luck on your applications

[gleaming wren]

Yeah I’m asking advice on what I should do. Seems the general consensus here is I have to take masters

[harsh river]

that's not the general consensus.

[smoky quest]

What you do is entirely up to you. You are being treated as an adult.
I have only described how the world work. How you deal with it is entirely up to you.

Whether you treat CS as an income source or you do enjoy it, only you can decide the level of investment you can and want to put into it. It is also no surprise that the return on your investment will depend on how much you invest

[gleaming wren]

Yeah that’s very much true esp the last line. Yes tho I do want to be employed so I see it as an income source. Idk how my life will end up I guess. I’ll just try and fail and just live with no expectations and try again

[smoky quest]

do your best and enjoy the ride!

[zenith geyser]

is the job market still brutal?

[vapid jay]

I've gotten a few offers (data analyst) but the salary was garbage.

[smoky quest]

it's worse than in 2021 but getting better relative to earlier in the year

[white relic]

!warn 1306691385679941642 You may not advertise here. Don't try it again.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @crisp nebula.

[steady gust]

^ me

and a few other friends i have in here, most people in here are here to learn and have fun

so theyre young and commonly unexperienced

(why is the slowmode so long 😭)

[edgy copper]

Can anyone assist me as a mentor to learn python who is an expert developer train and place in any IT organization with real time experience for a good cause... Please ping me individually

[near ocean]

Do you understand what youre asking for here?

[edgy copper]

It's about career discussion I believe, as my job profile is senior RPA consultant /associate with no coding language trying to switch everyone need is skilled of python... So I Just mentioned my first message to impose my career in this discussion group

[near ocean]

Youre asking for an "expert" to "mentor you" and then give you a job
And asking this from volunteers in a discord server

[edgy copper]

Apologies if my way was ascertained some other way I just need to discuss not to ask... Please avoid the conversation my bad to post in such a way 😅

[ashen wraith]

It pisses me off that I'm busy studying for the finals instead of learning python

What are the best alternatives for VSC

[near ocean]

Whats wrong with vsc

[vapid jay]

pycharm, neovim, etcetc

[ashen wraith]

It is complicated.

[vapid jay]

python crash course, 3rd ed.

[edgy copper]

Any resources links to learn python crash course

[vapid jay]

https://nostarch.com/python-crash-course-3rd-edition

[edgy copper]

Thank you so much means a lot 🙂

[cobalt harbor]

Certainly! Here’s your letter with personal information removed:

Dear London Luton Airport (LLA),

My name is [name], and I am a Year 10 student at [school]. I am passionate about technology, with a particular interest in software engineering, and I aspire to pursue a career in this field. I am keen to explore the opportunity to undertake work experience at London Luton Airport (LLA) between Tuesday, 1st July and Friday, 4th July 2025. I admire the innovative solutions and advancements in engineering that LLA is involved in, and I would be grateful for the opportunity to observe and contribute to your team’s work.

I have always been a big fan of planes and aviation, and I’ve even tried plane spotting in my free time. Aerospace engineering has always fascinated me, and it would be a dream to gain work experience at London Luton Airport, where I could combine my passion for aviation with hands-on learning in a field where both aerospace and technology intersect. In addition to my interest in aerospace, I have developed a strong enthusiasm for software engineering. I’ve been fascinated by coding and technology since primary school, where I began exploring programming basics. Over the years, I have expanded my skills to an intermediate level, while also gaining extensive knowledge in troubleshooting, diagnosing, and understanding hardware systems. At school, I am a dedicated Computer Science GCSE student and a member of the Student Council, where I’ve further honed my problem-solving and communication skills. I do many voluntary work outside of school and am committed to causing a change and supporting the community. During my time at school, I helped run countless events and gained valuable skills.

What excites me most about LLA is your commitment to innovation, particularly in the areas of airport operations and the integration of technology to enhance the passenger experience and efficiency. I believe that my enthusiasm for technology and eagerness to learn align with the values of your organization. Even during a brief work experience placement, I am confident that my curiosity and determination will allow me to contribute meaningfully while gaining valuable insights into the aviation industry and engineering.

I would be happy to assist with any tasks or projects that align with my skill set and am flexible in adapting to the needs of your team. Thank you for considering my application despite your busy schedule. I am happy to provide additional information and answer any questions.

I look forward to the possibility of learning from your team and contributing to London Luton Airport. Please feel free to contact me at [email] or [phone number]. Thank you for your time and consideration.

Yours sincerely,
[name]

@smoky quest @balmy spade How AI generative does this look and how do i rewrite this and stuff can you help please

[balmy spade]

What excites me most about LLA is your commitment to innovation, particularly in the areas of airport operations and the integration of technology to enhance the passenger experience and efficiency.

Give it the AI versus personal litmus test: Pretend you get the interview and the interviewer asks you:

"Of all the innovations we've made, which one holds your interest the most?"

Can you answer that? (repeat this for every claim the AI has made on your behalf)

Personal opinion: If you can't write two paragraphs on why you want the job, you certainly don't need AI to write five of them that say nothing demonstrable about you.

[cobalt harbor]

there wont be interrviews most likely and if there is i will be prepared and i know what im gonna say

its work exp and not actual work ig

got it

[north turret]

is there anyone who can help me to create a bot solve autofillcaptcha

[summer plover]

That's very inaccurate. I would rephrase that and say we build a strong base that help us learn faster and with more understanding of the topic. For example, if you take a machine learning class you'd pass it with enough skills to start on your own while knowing exactly what you're doing.

[cobalt harbor]

am i good to go?

=

[past estuary]

Hello

[peak halo]

Hello; this is the career discussion channel.

[past estuary]

I want to become a Android App developer can you give me a Roadmap please?

[peak halo]

I can't; Android app development is done primarily in Kotlin (or Java, I guess), a different language.

[past estuary]

I am learning java but I need a Android App development roadmap

[peak halo]

This is the Python discord server. It's not an ideal place to ask for help with topics that involve specific languages other than Python.

[past estuary]

Are u software engineer?

[peak halo]

In a sense. I can't help you with Android app development. See if there's an Android developer community here: https://github.com/mhxion/awesome-discord-communities

[past estuary]

Okay

[deft plaza]

Hey all, just wondering how many SWE internship applications do you college/university students submit?

Also would you recommend getting certs for someone who *might * consider going into cybersecurity? As of now I am aiming for backend dev, and while both involve programming, cybersecurity is more IT. Are these two fields so different that I should just focus on backend dev only, or is there no harm in going breadth over depth?

[true harness]

as a backend dev, you would pick up some security related things, but not nearly enough to easily transition into cybersec. they are pretty separate: i wouldn't get cybersec certs unless you needed them for something

[fringe sphinx]

• i always always vote for breadth over depth.

[summer roost]

The courses will probably be much more useful to you than the certs. Learning about security will help you be better at a backend dev job, but having the certificate saying that you learned about security probably won't benefit you at all

[lime trellis]

May I know if anyone could help me with a resume review? Im doing up my resume ( I have less than a year of exp and only 1 work experience, I have internship exp but that was 2 years ago )

My work mostly involves python stuff, so I thought this would be an appropriate channel

[crimson lion]

!return-gif

[inner wren]

Print and return

Here's a handy animation demonstrating how print and return differ in behavior.

See also: /tag return

[vapid jay]

This gif is amazing I am saving it

[wind cedar]

Hey everyone! If I took AP Statistics in high school but didn’t take any statistics courses in the Statistics Department during college, would it be okay to list ‘Statistics’ in the coursework section of my college resume? Or should I leave it off since I didn’t take any statistics courses in the statistics department during college?

[fast fossil]

!rule 5

[inner wren]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[vapid jay]

To me it basically comes down to what you feel comfortable with. Do you think you're good enough at statistics to warrant its inclusion there? Or do you not find yourself to have a college level understanding of it?

[true harness]

show, don't tell. saying you've done statistics is one thing, but it's much better to have a project or something showing that you have statistics knowledge

[wind cedar]

It’s been awhile since I’ve taken the class but I can always review it

[wind cedar]

What does that have to do with coursework?

I’m planning on doing grad school, wouldn it be safer to just take a grad stats course during my masters?

[true harness]

why do you want to put statistics on your resume

[wind cedar]

it aligns with my career pursuits

[true harness]

what does "safer" mean in this context?

[true harness]

right, so demonstrating that you actually have statistics skills is much more impactful than just saying you have taken a statistics course. also, ap stat does not actually teach anything interesting

[wind cedar]

In terms of telling the truth on my resume

[fringe sphinx]

100% agree with ^. Listing coursework isn't terribly interesting. Everyone takes many courses. What's interesting is whether you applied those skills in some meaningful project.

(what I'm saying is: I don't care whether or not you list it, because I probably won't pay attention to the coursework section anyway... but I will pay attention if you have a project that demonstrates/relates to a particular skill we're looking for or find interesting)

[wind cedar]

I see

But this doesn’t answer my question though

I’m not saying I won’t have projects or tings that shows that I applied those skills

Your making it seem like I won’t have those things, I will

[peak halo]

Do you feel this way about electives as well?

[true harness]

if you have those other things, then why list it in coursework if it's a lie?

[fringe sphinx]

Yah. I'm used to being disappointed. Lots of people list various electives: I see "databases" all the time, and when asked, they have very poor recall of anything useful.

[outer rivet]

Hey, has anyone here ever use an online tool where you enter your tech skills, education and experience to help figure out the salary you're worth? I've used one in the past, but I don't remember what it was.

[eternal sigil]

what jobs can python land u in?

[pine sleet]

many. but employers don't hire people for knowing python

[lime trellis]

What are some of the skills you'll need apart from python?

[pine sleet]

communication, working in a team, picking up new technologies fast, adapting

[lime trellis]

Are these some of the skills too:

1. Docker
2. Kubernetes
3. System design
4. Networking basics
5. DS and algo
6. Hosting and monitoring apps on the cloud?

[pine sleet]

those sound reasonable to have a bit of experience in

[lime trellis]

I have these things, but I went for an interview once and that guy was like, I can't hire u coz u don't know kubernetes.
I said, I can learn if provided the opportunity.
He said no 😑.

[pine sleet]

kinda weird

[lime trellis]

So yeah, ig all one needs to know how to do is to deploy apps and monitor them along with coding.
These skills will be useful I think

@eternal sigil do a couple of projects with like Django backend and host them on the cloud with some monitoring also
( Like alerts for resource usage and stuff ).
Try keeping stuff python centric.
Backend, lambda functions python

[eternal sigil]

Oh

[lime trellis]

cloud resume project is a good starting point.
Then the next one can be something with websockets, like a video chat app for a specific purpose ( like to learn languages )

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> scam

[tender thicket]

!pban 1306691385679941642 crypto scam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @crisp nebula permanently.

[light tree]

Hello, I am starting an career in python and need to get hold of this at the earliest what could be the possible steps I need to start with and also how can I start with my job in a new role of data scientist or engineer

Please help me kick start a career

[smoky quest]

Hi!
A degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[buoyant seal]

• Docker # yes for any web dev related job (frontend, backend, devops engineering, sysadmin, data engineering)
• Kubernetes # preferably no, unless you are devops engineer. it is such a wormhole of problems.
• System design # sure, basic software development thing
• Networking basics # sure, basic software development thing
• DS and algo # sure, basic software development thing
• Hosting and monitoring apps on the cloud? # sure, althoug monitoring apps is a bit annoying topic in amount of technology details (monitoring is more infra dev responsibilitiest bh)

• Unit testing for the win 😇 Any dev will code 3-10 times better with it. The code potentially becomes not a garbage to maintain. And better documented.
  Super necessity for dynamic typed languages which capable to check quality only at runtime reliably. Double/Triple necessity for backend engineers having their code plagued with leaky SQL abstractions, and needing to auto test it all works correctly with integration to local running postgres/mysql/mariadb in container.
• Stuff like code architecture
• Refactoring could be explored too
• Working with AWS for example is very in demand too for web related roles

[light tree]

@smoky quest I am doing a course and also have basic understanding of the programming languages but I without any practical hands-on how can I kick start with the career and job opportunities. Also adding to this i am not a fresher I have experience but on functional side

[fringe sphinx]

You haven't share many details about what you know, but; first step is to 'get good' by doing projects. Practice is necessary to build your skills. See link below for project ideas.

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[delicate ether]

What would be the first step to learn python or coding in general i want to teach myself

[fringe sphinx]

Find a tutorial, there's many to choose from. Check out the link below, then ask for advice in #python-discussion . There's no 'best' tutorial, so don't worry too much about which one

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[vapid jay]

@zenith torrent tk.Tk END, task that's the actual error, there shouldn't be a space here. With that said please use #1035199133436354600 in the future, this channel is for career discussion

[zenith torrent]

thanks, i will use that channel next time

[harsh river]

<@&831776746206265384>

[still condor]

!cban @forest dagger spam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @forest dagger permanently.

[sonic magnet]

Hello everyone. I've been working as an ai annotator and the job have not been consistent. So we're off for most of the days and it's really bothering my finances concerns. I have longed had plans on programming but due to some circumstances I couldn't learn it. Now I'm all set and have tried to enroll for some courses. Is there anyone together with me who we can journey together to keep the consistency or anyone who can guide me or show me tips on how to progress. I really want a career in this. I have been practicing and got some experience. Although not enough.

[turbid shore]

Also another question about Computer Science... my brother, who studied Mechatronics, says Computer Science is so easy that I can do it in a course online, like Coursera. Is this true?

[peak halo]

There are probably online computer science courses that are easy, but that doesn't mean you'd be able to get a job as a developer if you got one (you wouldn't)

[turbid shore]

So then what is the difference between these courses and a full blown degree, apart from getting a job?

[peak halo]

let me be very clear that if all you do are Coursera courses, you almost certainly will not get a job.
my guess is that there isn't a set of coursera courses that map to the set of course requirements for a complete CS degree.

[turbid shore]

Ah, I see
But then my follow up would be, does Coursera equip you with the same knowledge as a full blown degree? Cause then I would rather do another degree and complement it with a CS Coursera certificate...

[peak halo]

what degree would you get instead?

[turbid shore]

Idk if anyone here knows, but there is a degree here called "Electrical and Computer Engineering"
Reason why I say that is because I have never been able to find it anywhere outside of the universities in my region; but I may be wrong.

[peak halo]

what job do you want to have, and does it involve designing electronics?

[turbid shore]

I have been more into programming, mostly because I never had the opportunity to play around with hardware and the one time I did it was a terrible first experience. They gave us starter kits with no instruction manuals and told us to build it. Not as a challenge. As beginners. And the kits were so infuriatingly complex to put together I gave up. According to my brother this means I am probably not fit for this field, as most people in this field usually play around and figure out. I argued that I had not even been taught anything (like the components required C++ code and I do not know the language, so I would have to learn it first).

So I am never sure. Most of what I do in terms of hardware is upgrading and tinkering with my laptop, which I admittedly enjoy.

[peak halo]

if you're more into programming and you had a terrible experience tinkering with hardware, why would you pick electrical/computer engineering over CS?

[turbid shore]

Cause the CS market does seem flooded, but also like idk if I am taking my first impression too seriously. I never had a guidance to start me off with regards to robotics so I am like a magnet that repells robotics.

Not to mention I don't have the money to afford a raspberry pi, arduino or any accessories (lights, switches, motors, wtc.)

[turbid shore]

Also I feel partially ashamed of only focusing on the software side whereas my brother is capable of doing both 🙈

[peak halo]

That's not a good reason.
And there's so much that can be done in software that no one can learn how to do all of it in a lifetime. someone who can do some subset of software development (which is all software developers) and some subset hardware design isn't necessarily more capable than someone who only does software development.

[turbid shore]

I vaguely remember him telling me that it would be more advantageous as it allows you to better integrate hardware and software, kind of like Apple. Whereas Android is like one person that knows how to create software and another who knows hardware being smushed together.

I always found that I enjoy hardware tinkering as a hobby, or even a side hustle. Like I would not mind operating a legitimate, transparent computer repair business that diagnoses and repairs machines.

[thin snow]

I think this is a good place to ask what I'm confused about so here I go, I'm entering the field of cybersec but, I'm also partially thinking (for now) that I should try to integrate cybersec and DS with python, so, I mean as I currently don't hold much substance as proof of my skill, so I was thinking of doing Data Science/ or Analytics with python, but, I'm not sure which, it'll also help in scripting part of cybersec (python, I mean), so I'll go along doing python for Data Science/Analytics till I get a good proof of skill in cybersecurity, is this a good idea?

[fringe sphinx]

This idea that the job market is 'flooded' is greatly exaggerated. Flooded would mean that some high percentage of graduates aren't finding work, which is not the case (or, I have yet to see data to support this)

Also, there are far more SWE jobs than EE jobs. I'd guess an order of magnitude difference. ** My point is: Do things for the right reason, not out of fear.

[cobalt harbor]

What should i do if my parents dont accept me being in the british military/army

[fringe sphinx]

I really can't tell you what you should do. That's a very complex topic.

[cobalt harbor]

It was always a dream i legit randomly say random shi inside my head that related to that

i imagine myself being in there all day everyday

[radiant vortex]

That's something you need to discuss with them, as uncomfortable as it may be unfortunately

[cobalt harbor]

already have and they wont accept me as an human

[near ocean]

why would you want to join the military in the UK

[cobalt harbor]

reasons and to get my stuff together and develop a mindset thats stronger, have discipline and save lives and protect people Im also a fitness addict and due to emotions + 50 50 chances of living i also have alot of respect for them and look upto them

[near ocean]

those are not valid reasons lol
youre not developing any kind of mindset like that and its questionable whether the uk military does any kind of saving

[cobalt harbor]

mainly just saving lives tbh i want to go to war

[near ocean]

if by saving lives you mean standing around doing nothing

[cobalt harbor]

as i said 50 50 chances of survival

[thin snow]

Can someone share their opinion on this?

[fringe sphinx]

You do get very good at that.

[cobalt harbor]

i dont know i just want to be in it

[near ocean]

no offense but "i want to go to war" is a child's opinion

[fringe sphinx]

This really isn't the best server or channel to discuss the merits of military service. I think it's safe to say that: reasonable people disagree.

[fringe sphinx]

I think that's a good cue to end this conversation. Nothing positive will come of this.

[cobalt harbor]

Nope. I just want to be in it

[fringe sphinx]

Let's just move on from this conversation, it really isn't on-topic in this channel.

[white relic]

we can't tell you what career to pursue, but if you have some questions about what some tech-adjacent careers are like, or how to get into them, feel free to ask about that.

[cobalt harbor]

Just serve for the country.

Okay sorry

[fringe sphinx]

By "entering field", what do you mean? Entering school? Getting a job? Etc?

[stiff swan]

Hi guys

[lime trellis]

Thanks for the detailed explanation. And addressing each of the points one by one

[thin snow]

By entering I mean that I have no skills but I've started learning from THM, as I'm nearing the end of my bachelor's, I only have around 6 months so I need to prepare myself for a job, if I don't get a good job then I can think of pursuing masters so yeah, for a job.

[fringe sphinx]

What is your major?

[thin snow]

Computer applications

[fringe sphinx]

You should prepare by gaining experience at building projects. Projects are how you learn how to apply what you've learned, and learn job relevant skills.

If you only have six months, I'd suggest you pick a particular topic (web dev, data, etc) and practice that, to the point where you could explain it to someone else

[thin snow]

I agree, but I'm confused whether the quantity works in the field or the quality, like a good number of small projects or a handful of larger ones?

[thin snow]

I'm thinking to the side of data, but do I delve into both data science and analytics? I know they have a relation for gaining insights of data, but if I'm doing these two, what would be a good resource where I can learn consistently?
I've seen some resources where they're left off half-done so it's kinda confusing where to start from next.

I don't wanna ride a lot of boats for now, so I'm mainly thinking of programming, cybersec, and mathematics for obvious reasons.

[fringe sphinx]

In six months, you don't have the luxury of achieving either quality or quantity. There's a lot of practicing to do, and a lot of things to learn, so pick one thing that interests you that is also career relevant, and explore that.

If data is interesting, then go through https://kaggle.com/learn for starters.

[turbid shore]

I see, thanks.

[thin snow]

I'm mainly aiming for cybersec but companies choose the candidates which are flexible with their work, having this as a skill won't harm I guess, do you think data is cybersec relevant?

[fringe sphinx]

If you have 6 months, then I'd focus on skills directly relevant to the job you want

So, I'd ask specifically: With 6 months to prepare, what cybersec skills should you focus on? (I dont know answer, but others might... or you can ask in #cybersecurity )

[thin snow]

I feel cybersec is more like a framework which works in synergy with the technical side of things, but yeah, I might have to ask in the relevant channel

[verbal berry]

hi guys

[spare dawn]

I finally got an offer 🔥

do i accept it? i kind of want to negotiate for more pay but they said that the rate is what they pay all interns of my status (senior), but I dont want to risk losing this opportunity at all since it comes with a job which will be great given the market uncertainty.

And how should i go about leaving my current unpaid internship at a startup? Im wrapping things up on the project (database creation) and plan on continuing to help their ventures whenever I can though.

[tawny orbit]

congrats mate, getting a job is tough ! I guess that if you really feel like it's a good opportunity then I say take it as long as it works for you in terms of financial returns.

[tawny orbit]

and as far as this goes, my guess is you should tell them when you are sure and ready about the next job so that you can do all the knowledge transfer necessary, and so that they also get a chance to fill in the role you were covering

but considering it is an unpaid internship I wouldn't really go through a lot of trouble, just don't be a dick and let them know in advance, that's my guess

[spare dawn]

it def is a great opportunity, I'm still figuring things out career-wise if its what I wanna do (its more IT/software maintaince from what i know so far) but for the time-being its a great backup/i wont be fearing for my career-life 😆

If a better offer or one that's more in-line with my career-dream arrives before summer (robotics/swe) should I intern-hop? i doubt ill get any considering the market but just incase lol

[white relic]

They're probably not bluffing. There's no shortage of prospective interns who will likely take the job if you walk away, and their budget likely accounts for a certain number of internships at a particular rate. Interns don't really have bargaining power when it comes to compensation

So it's really a question of whether you can find a better opportunity before you have to say yes or no to this one

[peak halo]

if you have an unpaid internship (which I would advise against ever doing in the first place), I'd take the first offer of a paid internship without negotiating. you don't have bargaining power.

[white relic]

Unpaid internships are high turnover. You don't have to apologize for leaving and definitely don't commit to any additional unpaid work. they don't or shouldn't be expecting you to stay forever. Just be nice, say thanks for the opportunity and my last day is <date>.

[smoky quest]

can you expand on the context of your current unpaid internship?

[smoky quest]

this all depends on the context

[cobalt harbor]

Do you guys thibk I can get into Oxford or camebridge
How smart do I have to be and what do universities even look at
I mean I'm in the same country but in high school rn

[white relic]

I await your explanation of an unpaid internship where you can't leave whenever you want and the context is not brutally exploitative

Admittedly, some people are being exploited, so I'll give you that

[pine sleet]

we don't know how smart you are so we can't accurately tell you that. there are a lot of factors for college admissions

[cobalt harbor]

How do i actually lock in and get some insane academic comeback. Last year i had the highest academic comeback but it was natural.

Like Computer science maths and science revision and stuff how do i revise for those especially cs because theres alot of content

[smoky quest]

This view sounds incredibly immature but let's entertain a scenario where:

• Market is tough, a student cannot find an internship
• They or their parent are connected to someone at a company who doesn't have any budget but offers to take them in for an internship so they can get the experience and not end up their education without an internship

The above situation is not that infrequent and does happen. And in these cases, showing a lack of consideration for someone who went the extra mile to help the student will ensure that bridge will be burnt.

And so as such, it does not preclude exploitative internships, but this is not the only way an unpaid internship can happen

[cobalt harbor]

anyone?

[smoky quest]

Main thing is to understand the issue and address that.
For instance, is it about how you study? How much time you spend studying?

[cobalt harbor]

yeah how do i organize my life and get brighter. Like last year i studied and got everything memorized and when i came back to school in a brand new year i forgot everything

[smoky quest]

It's way too generic as a question. Think about trying to answer "how do I live a healthy live?"
You need to help us help you by narrowing it down a bit 😉

[cobalt harbor]

.-.

[smoky quest]

you can start with a concrete example

[white relic]

At the end of the day, you're not getting paid, you've got an opportunity to get paid. Beyond being courteous and thanking the person for the opportunity, what more can they expect from you?

[cobalt harbor]

what do you mean

[pine sleet]

your question is too vague/general: "how do I get better at studying"

[smoky quest]

Well, that's the point: it depends
Assuming it is exploitative will lead to a suboptimal situation and potentially unnecessary drama. So it's better to gather more information about the context first

[cobalt harbor]

How do I study what technique is the best and method to actually not forget whilst learning new stuff

[smoky quest]

do you have a concrete example where you had issues studying and forgetting it?

[pine sleet]

again it's hard for us to give you practical information on this because it's different for everyone. we could give you generic advice but you've probably already heard it

[cobalt harbor]

Yeah.

[smoky quest]

nice!

[cobalt harbor]

Where i studied for my end of year tests and passed them but then i forgot everything after test was over. after like a month and sometimes even couple months because we dont use that after lessons

[smoky quest]

how did you study for it?

[final pecan]

Hey

[coral elm]

I went to school for coding and it’s not really my thing. To be honest it depends on the teacher that taught you.

[final pecan]

Anyone willling and able to attend to me?

[pine sleet]

you won't always have good professors, it forces you to get better at studying material yourself

[coral elm]

lol my professor when I was taking c++ was like “write it down”

[pine sleet]

do you have a specific career related question? if so, you should ask it here

[cobalt harbor]

flash card textbook quizzes and videos

[smoky quest]

sounds like exercises and practice are amiss

[cobalt harbor]

quizzes are practise its mixed with questions my bad should of clarified it

[smoky quest]

nope. Quizzes aren't practice. They are just rote memorization tool

[final pecan]

I’m a first year student studying EE. I have a desire to learn programming. I have learnt some python up to OOP and guis with tkinter. I would like to make a circuit simulator for basic circuits using the skills I have. Could I receive any guidance on how to go about doing that?

[cobalt harbor]

Ive done exam questions

[smoky quest]

by exercise, I do mean for instance writing code, or going through the examples of situations in math where you apply the knowledge (ex: deriving or integrating a bunch of cases)

[smoky quest]

need more of them, assuming they aren't just quizzes

[cobalt harbor]

oh

[cobalt harbor]

do you know websites like codewars and stuff to prep me up for the future aswell.

[smoky quest]

codingame is one. there is also hackerrank and leetcode

[cobalt harbor]

thank you

[cobalt harbor]

Whats the key to stay consistent

[smoky quest]

continue doing it

[cobalt harbor]

Sometimes i cant be asked or just get distracted on computer

[smoky quest]

then reduce the distractions and continue doing it

[cobalt harbor]

👍

[smoky quest]

there is no secret nor hack: just do it

[cobalt harbor]

Whats the Quote of the day?

[white relic]

That's fair, I have some more to say on the subject, but I'm in a bad mood, so I'll concede the point.

[smoky quest]

no worries. I hope it gets better!
Note that I am not defending free internships either. I just want to make sure we don't integrate unconscious biases in advice people might follow.

[median coyote]

hey guys, one question which programming language would be better for back end development, Python with django or Javascript with Node.js. Tell me your opinion about this topic pls.

[peak halo]

this seems more like a #web-development question. people in this server are likely to be partial to django. if you use node.js, you at least only have to use one language, I guess.

[median coyote]

right ill ask there, my bad but thx for answering

[spare dawn]

once I accept this offer (no others atm/im desperate lowkey lol). Should i continue applying and interviewing for better ones? this current one is during semester into summer (yearlong). @smoky quest The unpaid internship was just an opportunity for me to get experience, its a new startup and all i had to do was make an sql db+admin app, atm im just finishing up the db n getting it working on their end. fully unpaid no contract (just a ‘dont share company secrets’ clause 🫡)

[peak halo]

just so we're clear, the internship you've been offered runs from approximately Jan 2025 to Jan 2026?

I'm most familiar with internships that run over the summer between Spring and Fall semesters. And I think it would be a bad idea to quit those internships part-way.

[spare dawn]

yes

In that case should i pivot towards full-time 2026 positions? Or internships for 2026? I graduate then and if i dont get a return offer here i should have a backup

[peak halo]

you're currently a student, right?

[spare dawn]

yea, the internship is part time for now till summer

[peak halo]

a company that hires student interns will probably never offer you a full-time position until you get the degree.

they might offer to transition from intern to full-time once you have the degree (my company has done this with a few interns that I know)

[spare dawn]

yea thats what they planned depending on my performance as intern

I did wanna maybe do masters or try for a robotics-focused company but that can wait a few years tbh (my family is in a financial strain tbh)

[peak halo]

some companies will support you in going back for grad school, probably with strings attached.

[spare dawn]

what are some of those strings usually

[peak halo]

you might have to stay with the company for a certain duration after each course, or after completion of the program

[spare dawn]

i really wanna try negotiating the pay but i know i cant/the pay is the same for all interns. Its not super terrible i guess im being greedy 💀

[fast fossil]

how do you know it's the same for all interns?

[peak halo]

it wouldn't be a negotiation. you don't have any reason why they should pay you more, and they probably have options other than you.

[spare dawn]

they do have other options/said theres like 3 others if i dont so. I gotta take it, better than nothing/working mcdonalds

[spare dawn]

would negotiating only be for full time roles and/or if u have other offers?

[smoky quest]

note that internship pay has no bearing on your pay once you graduate.
So make sure you do the right trade offs in terms of pay vs value of the internship. Sometimes, maximizing the internship pay might be done at the expense of the interesting learning. So if the internship pay is not that bad, I wouldn't loose sleep over it if the work is interesting

[spare dawn]

thats true, considering ill get to experience an actual internship (the go-to office/help in projects etc.) instead of online stuff or self-projects like before its a great learning opportunity

gonna accept it rn, the tradeoff long term is for sure worth. Ill only quit if my dream job comes along (cs is cooked so not happening 💀🫡)

[tawdry eagle]

Serious question but is there a recommended project for beginners? I can use html/css, JavaScript (still learning, postgresql, python and java. I was hoping to start a few for my portfolio.

[buoyant seal]

Creating Discord bot i think is the most easy option for beginners. Discord bot can scale in complexity however you wish. Which functionality it will have, depends on you

I could suggest creating "Wormhole" type, where u can connect multiple discord channels across servers to be replicated by bot for cross server communications

Discord bot is essentially testing your in backend problems pretty much. Some backend language, databases are usually used. just unusual frontend as discord

Otherwise i could suggest creating web site organizer for your personal tasks.

[buoyant seal]

Also i will suggest creating some CLI application for dev purposes, to lint your git commits for example ^_^

In general i voiced my advices regarding picking pet projects there
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/choosing_pet_projects.html

The pet projects for web devs do not even have to be web related exactly.
You could be having fun with building mods for games like Starsector/Minecraft and it will be super impressive
The fact of putting your soul into it, and having real users testing, handling feedback for project maturity will make it far more impressive than any regular pet project about building smth for business like stuff in a vacuum

[tawdry eagle]

Thanks for the suggestions

[vapid jay]

whats the best way to avoid getting stuck in one niche? Example: I have ML/DS experience but I want to become a SWE or DE.

[fringe sphinx]

How many years have you been working as a data scientist?

[vapid jay]

zero I'm a grad student

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, so you don't have 'experience' (no offense intended)

[vapid jay]

I want a summer internship for this year though, so I'm unlikely to be able to find a SWE/DE internship but a DS/ML one is doable.

[vapid jay]

yeah no career experience

[fringe sphinx]

The best way to prepare for the workforce as a SWE, is breadth. SWEing is multidimensional: it's not just about particular domains (ie: ML) but also about; technical competencies, soft skills, engineering practices, etc

There's lots of ways to broaden your foundation, whether by studying a different skill (ie; focusing on data engineering), or building and deploying applications (full projects, all the way thru ci/cd to pypi), or broadening your knowledge of the software landscape (Europython and PyCon videos are great), etc

[vapid jay]

My goal is to have the most options open as possible post graduation. I think I would prefer being a MLE or something along those lines, but I value job security the most.

[fringe sphinx]

That's a healthy attitude. Chance favors the prepared mind.

[fringe sphinx]

Three other things to start doing: 1. prepare the best resume you can and get -lots- of critique. Your first draft will be bad. 2. Practice your interview 'soft' skills: it's not just about what you know. 3. Do some DSA prep - they're common nowadays in interviews (hackerrank or leetcode): be balanced but don't neglect it entirely.

[vapid jay]

Yeah I started doing a bit of leetcode for next year. I have a few SWEish projects that I'm working on but they wont be ready for the next few months. I'm going to upload a few of my old analysis papers onto my gh to add for DS/ML applications.

[fringe sphinx]

Also, definitely start watching some conference videos. It's a good way to broaden your perspective: there's so many interesting things that people are working on.

[vapid jay]

any recommended speakers?

[fringe sphinx]

Pycon, Europython on YouTube

[junior valley]

as a starter vs code python coder are there any ways to get better chance to get to better colleges as a coder?

i mean any olimpics or courses

to get to MIT as a foreginer

[urban oar]

hey guys, i am extreme beginner in Python, I am extremely passionate to learn about Python and How I can use it to create real life projects. What reccomendations do you'll have? I also want to dive into the space or artificial intelligence Please help me

[lean saddle]

just watch there free courses on YT

[junior valley]

bro i have the same

[junior valley]

Ok i tried but maybe any olimpics is a way?

[lean saddle]

I suggest watching 'bro code' 12h tutorial on YT it will give you a good overall view of python and programming fundamentals

no need to watch all of it, first 4-5 hours is enough

[fleet iris]

should i upload fun projects that i did over the weekend to github its just 2 files and around 200lines of code

just to show the employer

[urban oar]

Thank You very much

[fringe sphinx]

Uni acceptance is primarily about your schoolwork, so make sure to focus on that first. Math, in particular

[small sleet]

id say that ive mastered the basics of python

so what should i learn now? Any guidance is appreciated!