career-advice

[pine sleet]

and making fun of someone for that is immature

[summer roost]

it's much cheaper to do a year or two at a community college and then transfer credits to a university to complete a bachelor's degree. There's pros and cons to doing that, but it can be a good way to save a lot of money, especially if you're having trouble getting student loans

[pine sleet]

plus, the name of the univerity on your bachelor's degree is going to be the university you transferred into (not your CC)

the only thing you're going to miss out on is oppurtunities, connections, and a network

[summer roost]

and possibly friends and a social life (it's a lot easier to make friends as a freshman than a junior!), possibly the experience of living away from home (CC students generally commute, IME)

there's a fair number of things you might miss out on, in the end. There's a lot of different pros and cons worth weighing

[pine sleet]

indeed

but really i think the biggest thing CC has going for it is price

[summer roost]

yeah. Potentially acceptance rate, too - if you're having trouble getting into a good in-state uni with your high school grades, you might have an easier time transferring in after 2 years of community college with good grades

and living at home could be an advantage, too, depending - if you need to help with child or elder care, or something...

[cobalt moat]

i should have done cc

[pine sleet]

the grass is always greener on the other side

[hidden crystal]

unrelated question but did u buy a escooter t oget around campus, and do alotta ppl use it or am i gonna look like a clown

[pine sleet]

many people use one

[icy oyster]

I will negotiate a dev position soon, I have been an intern for 2 years at the same company, I was always praised for my above average technical knowledge in coding(I used different languages in this company) I consider myself to be a solid middle level programmer and I don't think I'm much behind from the senior devs I had contact with, the point is, how do I really negotiate a middle level position better, I'm afraid they will put me as a Junior even though I basically spent 2 years doing middle and sometimes senior level tasks, I'm using the term senior because I worked alongside senior devs at the same problem or task

It's a big company focused in chemical engineering and software with around 2k employees

[summer roost]

when I was a fresh grad, I was placed at a junior level, and I was annoyed about it because I thought I was able to do much more independent work. With the benefit of hindsight, I now realize that I was nowhere close to being able to do senior level work, and I was wildly overestimating my own skills and underestimating the amount of support and mentorship that I would need from senior level engineers. I don't know you personally, but I can say from my own experience that I have never worked with a fresh grad who could do senior level work.

[icy oyster]

Really curious, what do you consider to be senior level work

[summer roost]

mostly, the ability to run large (let's say multi-month) projects from start to end. That includes breaking down the work into discrete pieces that can be assigned to different people, tracking progress, communicating with stakeholders, overseeing the design (both at the system and component level), ensuring that the system is scalable and reliable, that there's appropriate visibility into the system in the form of logs and metrics and telemetry and alarms, etc

[smoky quest]

You can consult either your company's career ladder or publicly available ones such as https://progression.fyi/

[smoky quest]

One way to get some good views on that would be to ask your manager: what are the gaps, what are the things you need to improve comparing to a senior engineer

[deft herald]

Senior engineers do more than just code up fancy solutions to hard problems. Part of being a senior engineer is not just finding solutions, but actually finding the problems themselves

As you go up in seniority, the requirements for your job get increasingly vague or high-level. Part of being a senior is interpreting those broader requirements and creating individual tasks out of them

[buoyant seal]

Middle rank level is usually about independent enough problem solving (viable enough portion of soft skills to communicate gathering requirements and task progression), and solid tech skills to provide sufficient enough enterprise code quality. (Which take more major portion of this level)

U can drop your git repo links to best projects for review and we could probably see if your quality meets expectations at least on hard skills side

[buoyant seal]

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[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[near ocean]

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[tender thicket]

!pban 693464037421482068

[inner wren]

:ok_hand: applied ban to @real knot permanently.

[ionic spruce]

How to get remote job as data analyst?

[fringe sphinx]

Start with: Go to LinkedIn and search for jobs hiring remote data analysts and look at requirements. That's a great way to understand the market

[snow plume]

yeh linkdln is a good platform but u will need some verification ike resume whodo u work for stuff like that

[ionic spruce]

I applied in linkedin but didn't get any response

[fringe sphinx]

You can share your resume here, anonymized, for critique.

[ionic spruce]

Ok, thank you. I will try that

[scarlet birch]

since i'm trying to apply for jobs as full-stack dev, i would like to know what do people think about full-stack devs before writing my letter

[fringe sphinx]

'Medium' isn't a term we typically use for sw devs

[gritty rivet]

Title's are vague, "medium" is vague. Every role is different, every project is different. If you can show your anonymized resume and more details about the target job, we could provide more useful feedback

Even an entry-level full stack developer should be able to maintain and upate a whole project if it is simple enough. But many products are way more complex than even a highly advanced engineer could manage as one individual.

[scarlet birch]

oh yea that makes sense. i do not have any previous experience working as full-stack dev. tho, i'm totally self-taught and this would likely be my first time even trying applying for such a role

and as first impression, i saw many classifing users by their experience (low-medium-high level of experience)

as for the project, i'm sorry i wasn't clear enough, let's say the project is far more complex than a simple one-page website, such as a whole social media, including direct messages using websockets, self-made auth process which requires you to check for security issues about personal informations, media management and so on

[fringe sphinx]

In corporate SWE world, titles are often more about "scope" than ability. A junior engineer is focused on their individual task, a senior engineer on how their tasks fit within a feature/whatever and align with the architecture, a principal around a release / organization / etc. A junior really is working in a unit of 1 or 2, a senior is aware of their team, etc.

The expectation is that a "senior" has both the knowledge and ability to take on new projects, participate in requirements analysis, and lead a small team without close supervision.

That's at least my definition.

[gritty rivet]

Expect that you may need to send out hundreds of job applications before someone gives you a chance. Don't overthink this one, just start applying. If you don't get any callbacks, try a different strategy. If you get one interview per 20 applications, that's exceptionally good for someone in your situation in this market.

Again, the questions you are posing are hard to answer because every case is unique. Look at the roles as described and ask if your resume demonstrates the skills they are looking for. If you're not sure, we'd need to see your resume to help.

[fringe sphinx]

My personal story: I rose fast into management because I was nosy: I was always talking/listening/engaging in product and business strategy conversations... even as a junior. I talked to other teams, I looked at the competition, I made my sphere of influence (or at least knowledge) as broad as possible. This isn't the only path... just my path.

[pastel thunder]

Why are some managers behaviour as if they are paying their subordinates from their own pocket?

Whats makes them ignore the possibility that someone might not be having his best time of life

[fringe sphinx]

Fiduciary responsibility.

[pastel thunder]

How can someone be so thick skinned

The more i am getting to know how people are, the more i loose hope

[scarlet birch]

i see. thank you for replying anyways, hope to be able to get a job for that role one day, as i think i got enough knowledge to be able to work on projects with and without co-workers, whatever the size of it might be (i'm currently making a whole social media all by myself, without skipping any important matter such as security, scalability, stability, mantainability and so on)

i was curious to know how companies define the knowledge and skill level of people

and by what

[gritty rivet]

If you have anything resembling a complete project to put on your resume, then it's worth applying. There is probably some role out there where you're a good fit. And if not, the process of applying will help you understand what you need to work on.

[scarlet birch]

[sick nacelle]

Hey guys. I feel hopeless as a developer. Anyone got little motivational words?

[fringe sphinx]

-# is this little enough? you're not alone.

[true radish]

relax and you will be okay, there is always hope for you if you try little by little. stay strong!!

[sick nacelle]

Thank you so much ❤️I ll hold on to it and try harder

[gritty rivet]

I think the best cure for hopelessness is a run of small wins. Set realistic goals that you can actually meet, and keep doing it. Then your goals can get bigger.

[smoky quest]

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!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[calm willow]

so right now , seeking some projects for freelancing!! but not able to find them ( I have skills though! )
like upwork just recommends regional clients and then already 10 to 15 will reply to them , which I guess are just automated messages

tried to catch 2 clients , then they ask how will you do that ! , so again I respond with same requirements ( e.g selenium for scraping )
but they stop responding further

so am I in wrong direction of freelancing?? or like which path should I follow for freelancing ( like seeking on different portals etc. etc.)

[white relic]

Yeah, freelancing is tough.
It's hard to say if you're doing anything wrong in particular, it's just a difficult road and especially when (I'm assuming) you don't have much prior experience or network to lean on

Hi!
This isn't a channel for advertising, but if you would like career advice or resume reviews, feel free to ask about that.

[smoky quest]

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[pine sleet]

Hi, we don't allow advertising on this server. I've gone ahead and deleted your message.

[smoky quest]

I don't think we have enough information to tell you if you were right or wrong.
That said, freelancing will require a lot of work in order to find clients and you should expect it to take a significant amount of your time

[winter falcon]

I am new to laptops, so I am looking for a laptop that can code well for school that costs less than $1000. Any recommendations?

[near ocean]

This is #career-advice

[winter falcon]

it is for my carrer

[near ocean]

You will not be using personal devices for work, you'll be given company hardware

[winter falcon]

they dont give me

if they give i wouldnt ask

[near ocean]

This isnt the channel to ask for laptop recommendations, try the offtopic channels #ot1-perplexing-regexing

[deft herald]

Your work doesn't? Or your school?

[winter falcon]

my work dosent like me i guess

[trim canopy]

try macbooks. .

[craggy fulcrum]

Hi, everyone. As a passionate and experienced Full-Stack Developer, I specialize in creating robust, scalable, and user-friendly web and mobile applications. With over 7 years in the industry, I blend technical expertise with creative thinking to deliver top-notch solutions that meet client needs and exceed expectations.

[peak halo]

!warn 773713264970039316 Spamming a message that sounds like employment-seeking is against the rules.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @craggy fulcrum.

[craggy fulcrum]

Hi, How are you doing?

[runic remnant]

guys any interview tips have one scheduled today (internship)

[fringe sphinx]

You will not know the answer to every question. Don't panic, just relax and be human about it.

Also: just be prepared for the softball question: 'tell me about yourself'. Don't stress about it, just have a simple answer

[runic remnant]

i see ty, any ideas about hr rounds

[fringe sphinx]

Wdym

[runic remnant]

usually there is a technical round and a management or hr round where i am from

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, but what about them?

[runic remnant]

what kind of questions can i expect there

and how would u approach some controversial question

[fringe sphinx]

As an intern? Nothing really. Tell me about yourself, your favorite class, a recent project, etc

[fringe sphinx]

Calmly. Maybe ask a clarifying question.

Take a moment to think: show that you're thoughtful, and open. If you're stumped, or unsure, or whatever, it's ok to say so.

[runic remnant]

i see thanks a lot

[summer roost]

understand that the people on the other side of the desk are nerds just like you, and you probably have a lot in common with them. Understand that they don't want you to fail the interview, they'd rather you pass. If you're working on a solution to something and they say "are you sure that's going to work?", it's probably because they're sure that it isn't going to work, and they're trying to guide you onto the right track. If they say "let's move on to a different question", it means that they think they've learned all that they're going to learn from the current question, but want to give you a shot at a different one that might test different skills

[runic remnant]

i see, that makes sense

[summer roost]

for an internship level position, they care a lot less about how much you know than about whether you seem like a quick learner, too. Aim for answers that show that you're motivated and excited to learn more

[fringe sphinx]

Reminds me of my first interview... I was told I got the job not because I knew the answer to a complex 'how would I solve xyz problem' (it was a broad systems question, but a DSA q) but because my answer was: this has surely been solved before, I'd go look for existing implementations or something adaptable, or something like that

[summer roost]

nice. It's always much better to admit that you don't know something than to pretend that you do and get caught in the lie, too, heh

candidates who don't admit when they don't know something are a huge red flag for me as an interviewer

[fringe sphinx]

My worst interview was with a hardware company that asked all sorts of low level questions. I bombed out of that one, remember them being annoyed that I didn't remember to check for overflow.

[twilit portal]

This is a very good insight

[mint oracle]

Hii Billy Long time no see

[vagrant oasis]

When I'm interviewing with technical questions, it's way more important to me if the candidate can understand hints and think out loud and adjust their direction. In reality they're going to spend the first year needing a ton of guidance and I'd rather someone who responds quickly and accurately to guidance, and can clearly explain what they're doing.

If you solve the questions with no help, I actually haven't gotten the information I most want to get, which is how you'll respond to questions you can't solve on your own.

[ember kraken]

Hello, I created an AI voice assistant in python that I would like to use in my resume when applying for a python developer position at corporation, I have an idea about attaching link inside my CV to the yt video where I explain the project step by step.
Do you thing it is good idea to put this things inside CV?
Could you please tell me what do you think about the video?
link to yt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf1xaKgYdok

[reef marsh]

W vid

[twilit portal]

!rule 6 9

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[wind radish]

Ok

[somber bear]

!rule 3 4

[inner wren]

Rules

3. Respect staff members and listen to their instructions.

4. Use English to the best of your ability. Be polite if someone speaks English imperfectly.

[somber bear]

idk why i said that

[compact fox]

Hi everyone!

I am taking the Machine Learning Specialization course by Stanford (instructor: Andrew Ng) from Coursera for about two weeks. The first two weeks (maybe the whole course) are completely theoretical. There are some optional labs, but I cannot take them since I did not purchase the whole course; I audit it. I am finding the course very difficult. The concepts like linear regression, supervised learning, and unsupervised learning are really complex. I couldn't understand much.

Can you please suggest to me a more practical Python machine learning course (free) that I can continue with this course?
I am a beginner in Python, 18 y/o and completed high school this year.
Thanks!

[primal grotto]

Python is one of the most popular languages on freelance websites

[faint depot]

Ask in the data science/ai channel. I will say just one thing: better off learning about ML/AI at uni. Self teaching such a complex subject is difficult unless you have a decent mathematics background. Learn the data analytics side of it first. Again, ask in the data science channel, not here

[robust atlas]

Hi everyone! 👋😊I am trying to make a deal with my company.....they are offering me 10% ownership if I make them a scraper solution for their application. I am still a student and I am not sure if that's a good deal.

I think they want to rip me of bc other programmer wanted to charge them 2000€ for one time scraping. I would appreciate an opinion from someone who has more experience 🙂🙏

[pastel thunder]

My current manager is pretty happy, last wasnt

My notice period formalities is being done by old manager.

Will he be responsible for releaving letter comments?

Also, i asked to reduce notice period from 60 to 30 days
He said to hr that we can also releave in 10 days if you want

I dont think i have that small of dependency

Is he trying to show hr, i wasnt doing much?

[hearty totem]

Is the company going to survive? 10% ownership is quite insane. Normally founding engineers get in the 1-3% range, only founders get more. 10% is an incredibly good deal if you are already working at the company. If you are not working at the company then 10% is an indication of desperation and the company is dying - my experience at least

Also, be very careful about the contract. Whether it is 10% based on valuation. As opposed to 10% based on current valuation only. Also, make sure that it is 10% of company valuation, not some vague idea such as 10% of "project", which really means nothing

[mint oracle]

||10% ownership i think it's not company it's a project start by student also who named as company||

[hearty totem]

Yeah, that makes more sense. And it would be hence a big NO. If someone wants something and is not willing to pay for it then they will try to cheat at every step of the way. Avoid like the plague

[near ocean]

What can HR do in that case? Not much
I would take them if theyre being offered

Make sure with HR that you can do that though, dont just not show up for work

[velvet ridge]

What is the use of python in cybersecurity?

[gritty rivet]

Put that question into a web search and you'll see a bunch of decent articles. There are also many books. Except for certain tasks where you need a lower level language, Python can do almost anything

[velvet ridge]

Aight thanks a lot

[shy oasis]

GAMBLING YES

WIN BIG NEVER QUIT

[buoyant seal]

Do you guys consider someone at a medium level of knowledge about full-stack dev. to e able to maintain & update a whole project by themselv
IT systems can scale infinity in size.
If the project is smth below lets say 50'000 code lines? Sure, high chance the person will be able to do that, if he has qualifications of a Middle+ ranked software engineer at least, and he is capable to write maintainable unit tested and typed code.
Also depends on amount of user traffic/workload. it is simpler to maintain projects having less workload, and complexity increases for high performance projects
Also depends on amount of tech debt in a project. Even if it is small project, smth below 50k-100k code lines, it can be having such convoluted code architecture, and lack of any auto testing, that it will be hard to maintain for everyone except the author (and for author itself too once a year passes and he will forget how he wrote it)

If the project is smth beyond 1'000'000 code lines? I believe it would be impossible challenge for a single person 😅

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Otherwise we can add here that Middle ranked devs are supposed to be able building portfolio already of a reasonable quality to serve as standalone projects
Technically every dev can, but from Middle rank devs acquire sufficient tech skills to design, extend and maintain things in a way that it would be meeting standards of quality

[faint depot]

Just got an email back from BT and they said theyve already filled up all the slots. Looks like Im taking the engineering route. Ngl, feel kinda down but at least thats one major option out of the way

[graceful owl]

finally got raise after working as team lead for 9 months :)) yippee

[runic remnant]

ty @summer roost @fringe sphinx got the internship role had a few hiccups in the interview but thankfully everything worked out

[fringe sphinx]

Nice, mind sharing some of the questions for other ppl with interviews soon?

[runic remnant]

Yeah sure ill compile and share the questions shortly i had applied for (swe intern role at goldman, we had 3 rounds) ill share all the details once i deal with some of the other forms and applications

[vapid jay]

Hey im not sure if this is the right chat, but im still young and looking towards learning python as a career in coding later on, im not completely sure how to start and all i know now are basics like floats, else, if print and things like that

[winter falcon]

if you seek mastery you must become one with the subject read the turorial on the website and master each thing and by actually practicing it. you shall become one with your knowledge

[vapid jay]

whats "the website"

im not even sure where to start if im being honest, i need a way to start for little to no price

[twilit portal]

!resources
There are free books you can use

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[vapid jay]

okay, thank you !

[mint oracle]

Congrats bro!! Share ur experience

[fringe sphinx]

Start in #python-discussion . That's where to get your questions answered about learning python, and talk to other people also learning python.

[reef marsh]

do y’all like this vid

[outer rivet]

Should I cheat in an interview?

I have an interview in a couple of weeks and a coworker told me that many applicants, mainly those who now work at places like Google, cheated on their interview with a second device, like a tablet or another laptop off to the side, and were using the excuse of "I'm writing notes" to deflect what I'm doing of screen. If I'm competing for a job against cheaters, is it fair for me to cheat?

[reef marsh]

No cuz you’d be guilty like them

[fringe sphinx]

How would your coworker know what most people do?

[reef marsh]

Billy Bobby do u like this vid bro

[fringe sphinx]

"My cousins brother told me ..."

[outer rivet]

Reading about them. They probably blog about it.

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, because social media is very reliable. /sarcasm

People hear all sorts of BS all the time. Like: "degrees are worthless" or "you can fake your way into a Google job".

[outer rivet]

I care less about guilt and more about getting a better paying job that lets me advance my career.

[fringe sphinx]

You might fake your way through an OA, but you'll still need to do a live interview.

[outer rivet]

That's what I mean. Live interview.

[fringe sphinx]

Do you think you could successfully GPT your way through a live interview?

I don't see that happening.

"How would you implement an asynchronous function in Python using asyncio to download content from multiple URLs concurrently?" <frantic typing... long pause....> "To implement an asynchronous function in Python using asyncio to download content from multiple URLs concurrently, you can leverage the aiohttp library, which provides asynchronous HTTP client capabilities. The process involves creating asynchronous functions to handle HTTP requests and managing multiple tasks concurrently. Here is a step-by-step implementation:..."

[vapid jay]

Hey everyone

Guys how to start a game developer has fresher in python and company which they hire freshers

Any tips

[runic remnant]

My hiring took place in campus so all of the test was conducted under jurisdiction of our college placement cell (hats off to them they did a great job), the hiring included about 2 phases one was an online coding test round and interviews for shortlisted people for the interview. Now the process for off campus placement might be a bit different so just take what I say with a pinch of salt

Online Test Round

Here we had the following sections

• 3 Programming questions
• 10 MCQ questions
• 1 ethical question (hr question)

Now the coding problems wasn't anything too hard anyone with some experience in python would be able to solve them, I don't remember each of those questions exactly but I'll try to give a brief overview about them.

• A bunch of co-ordinates of rectangles were given as input which were meant to be sheets of paper and a bunch of standard (x, y) co-ordinates which were meant to be paintballs now the papers sheets can overlap and each paintball has an assigned color, so the task was to basically find order of color or paint balls which hit all the sheets of paper
• A modest number problem which if i remember correctly we had a given range of numbers and task was to find the largest modest number among that range

MCQ questions were wide ranging from aptitude, to maths permutation and combinations questions and generic coding questions including trees, linkedlists and quite a bit of focus on java code where they gave code snippets and possible outputs as options. MCQS had +3 on correct and -1 on wrong so had to be a bit careful there

The hr question stated "Assuming u have a team and a time commitment for the next deliverable and your teammate has some uninformed emergency where he/she has to take a period of absence, what would your response to that be"

This round screened about 700+ students down to 25, i am not sure entirely about the criteria used, but after shortlisting there were roughly 25 students remaining which included 50-50 diversity

Interview Rounds

We had 3 interview rounds all about in 1 day in front of a diverse panel from different departments, all the rounds were testing different technical aspects with a few hr and general questions mixed in between. The interviews were 1 on 1 conducted via zoom + coderpad.

• Round 1 (DSA)

We started of the round with the class "introduce yourself", then moved onto technical questions where i stated i was experienced in python and few of the questions revolved around that

• explain stack, queue, linkedlist, trees (and few differences between them)
• code singly linked, doubly linkedlist and a circular linkedlist
• a simple array problem where you had to chunk the array in a subgroup of given length n which would include the smallest possible sum of all the remaining chunks, pretty much sorting and chunking (i explained timsort)
• explain decorators and their uses and give an example

This round narrowed the number of candidates down to about 11-12

• Round 2 (Data Structures + Application)

This round involved explaining and picking ideal data structures for different statements presented and justifying it

• A music or playlist with a bunch of songs ordered in a desired manner
• Assume you have a text document and you want to make a basic text autocompletion system (search engine) with regards to the text and user input
• A very large dataset which includes logging statements and out of them you want to filter or sort out only a few log statements based on transaction id and in order of logging (this was a bit vague, and i had to clarify quite a bit since apparently these logs did not include timestamps and we had to filter only based on transaction ids)
• An ethical question "Assume you are working on a project and a deliverable in a tight schedule, you completed most of it but now the deliverable was shifted to another person what would your reaction be?"
• Hashing and logic behind it

This round narrowed it down to 5-6 people

• Round 3

This round was more of a formality I believe we were asked a few more technical questions about 1-2 since we were running out of time and had to elaborate on a major project we had made and what we had learnt on a particular subproblem of it and what were out takeaways from it

• Few other tips and tricks

Some stuff which really helped was as both godly and billy mentioned to be calm, take a moment to think and come up with a logical thought process thats definitely pretty useful not only gives you a moment to regroup but also allows your interviewer to point or nudge you in the right direction.

Your interviewers are also pretty like minded so building a good rapport or some form of questions on their field of work how they manage and little greeting and pleasantries go a long way and definitely helps build up a good impression

You can also highlight your experience in prior internships or techstacks you have worked with or problems or challenges you have faced in similar fields demonstrating some knowledge about different topics as well would be beneficial

A good intro and some good questions on role or company related stuff towards the end of the interview is also a nice way to express interest, also absolutely must is pay attention at each point what they are saying because it is most likely they are trying to guide you to approach the question in a more accurate manner or preventing you from making silly mistakes

@fringe sphinx does this look appropriate

[fringe sphinx]

This is awesome

I might pin it, if you don't mind, it's a great experience

[runic remnant]

yeah sure lol but its like 2 messages lmao didnt fit in one

[fringe sphinx]

That's fine

[runic remnant]

yeah cool by me then lol

[graceful owl]

To add onto this, I've had candidates that use chatGPT during an interview and they stick out like a sore thumb

I guess there's a bias BC there might have been candidates that used chatGPT and I didn't know, but I'd be surprised :p

[runic remnant]

yeah i dont think gpting during live interview is very viable given there is usually some form of online ide being used and both camera and mic needs to be on

[graceful owl]

My interviews didn't even involve live coding, and it's still pretty obvious imo

[runic remnant]

altho i have definitely seen instances of it during the online coding test but even thats pretty hard nowadays based on the proctoring they do they log all the stuff in backend

[twilit portal]

I would assume people who use LLMs but don't know how to code would be extremely obvious
If someone knows how to code but uses it sparingly they might be able to hide it but at that point it might be more effort to use an LLM than not

[fringe sphinx]

One of my worst hires was, I believe, prepped on my interview questions by the recruiter... aced the questions and then knew nothing post hire. My mistake for not challenging them (if someone aces the questions easily, that's a memory test not ability)

[graceful owl]

Damn that sucks lol, recruiters are such a double edged sword

[radiant vortex]

Do you not make the question up on the spot?

[fringe sphinx]

I have a few greatest hits

[dreamy wadi]

how much python is required from EEE?

[austere swan]

What is eee

[dreamy wadi]

Electronical and Electronics Engineering

[austere swan]

I think you are from India

[dreamy wadi]

no bangladesh

[twilit portal]

you would probably have to look at your curriculum and see

[austere swan]

You need good amount of electorical knowledge

[dreamy wadi]

ik

[austere swan]

You don't have to go to advance python , 40 percent to 50 percent python is good

[dreamy wadi]

uh ok

[austere swan]

You have to learn specific modules used for prototyping

I better recommend learn good amount of C/C++ if you want to go with robotics

[runic remnant]

that and something like vlsi design

[austere swan]

Hmm

[tame dew]

I have just finished the beginner course of python , what should i pursue next?

[steel pendant]

start practicing basic problems and jump into core advanced python

[tame dew]

i kinda have done those tbh (did few projects too)

[kindred oyster]

its not required , but its a great tool to know

[tame dew]

should i go for libraries like num py and pandas?

[peak halo]

you don't really "learn numpy" or "learn pandas". if you're interested in AI or data science, you need to focus on concepts. and the applications of those concepts span several libraries.

[tame dew]

i am interested in Ml/Ai

[peak halo]

Okay. What is your goal for learning AI/ML?

[tame dew]

mainly creating Ai applications

[peak halo]

Do these applications involve models that you developed, or making API calls to existing models?

[tame dew]

havent really decided

i could maybe go for developing one or just use an API

[peak halo]

For your awareness, if you're just making API calls to platforms like OpenAI, you aren't actually "doing AI/ML" and do not need to learn anything separate from software development in general.

[tame dew]

oh i see, then developing could be the option

[peak halo]

If you want to do model development, you need to be excited about learning a lot of theoretical math.

[tame dew]

yeah i am grasping the concepts of maths. But i am kinda confused what i should for programming

[peak halo]

Programs that apply the mathematical concepts

[tame dew]

so what should i learn? the libraries?

[peak halo]

No. That's exactly what you should not do.

[tame dew]

then what should i do?

[peak halo]

Whatever concept you're learning, do something that applies that concept, using whatever combination of libraries might be relevant

Do not try to learn in terms of libraries.

[tame dew]

i dont get u

[peak halo]

What have you done so far to try to learn about AI?

[tame dew]

i havent learned much abt Ai yet (thats why i came to ask what i should do next)

[smoky quest]

Sounds like a better question for #data-science-and-ml ?

[tame dew]

Sure

[glass silo]

0

[glass silo]

you would start from ML

[fringe sphinx]

https://eee.buet.ac.bd/academics/undergraduate/program/BUET_EEE_UG_OBE_2023_02_20.pdf mentions Python multiple times

Check your specific Uni for their curriculum.

[glass silo]

yea but usually profs are too generous to pass you with absolutely 0 python - india/bang/pak are not for beginners

[fringe sphinx]

Are you in Bangladesh?

[glass silo]

nah its the same everywhere

[tame dew]

am tbh

[glass silo]

in india / ban*

[fringe sphinx]

And are you looking to go to Buet?

[tame dew]

no

[fringe sphinx]

What Uni then? Each Uni has curriculum that you can look at, and not every Uni is the same.

[tame dew]

i aint staying in BD if ur from bd u would probably know why

[tame dew]

i am a high schooler 💀

[fringe sphinx]

Ok. Python is a good first language. Most AI/ML work today involves Python, and Python is one of the most common introductory languages. If you look at that curriculum from Buet, you'll see they recommend knowing or learning Python: and they teach it to first years.

[tame dew]

i see ( a question ar eu from bd?)

[fringe sphinx]

Nope

I just know to look at the Uni curriculum, and advise everyone to do that when thinking about Uni

[tame dew]

ahh i see

[muted night]

Hello does anyone knows what it's like to be a data analyst and is it a good career choice

[reef marsh]

Ur loss

[pastel thunder]

i have aked them for some time to think,
and have asked new company about how soon they can onboard me as they were earlier inclining towards that ewarly joining.

I told them, my current manager is so good they are very understanding and willing to releave me early, lmao

I am just afraid that after so much fuss,
I might get a better offer

Saying I will join somewhere else after 5 months of process, she would explode
but this is another problem, currently need to align joining and resigning dates

[idle oasis]

Hey everyone,

I’m looking for universities in Europe that have strong computer science programs. I’m particularly interested in studying AI, but I’d also like to cover broader computer science topics. Ideally, I’d find a program that combines both. Any recommendations or experience?

Like I was never so unsure about my future like in this moment, I love IT but choosing university is so hard for me bc in ranking university can be good but that’s not mean that IT program will be or future after it 🥺🐍

[silk rose]

You can change after a Bachelor, maybe it is also a budget question where to study

I would not give too much on ranking

[pastel thunder]

when you cold email of message over linkedin to an HR

Do they first reach out to engineer in team, before reaching out to candidate?

[smoky quest]

not necessarily

[pastel thunder]

Is it ok to message one engineer and one HR at the same time?

how much it too much?

[smoky quest]

It depends on the message

[pastel thunder]

long descriptive mesage about why I am a good fit, listing my past relevant exp

[smoky quest]

so a spam

[pastel thunder]

even 1 or 2 is a spam?

[fringe sphinx]

You're sending an unsolicited message via LinkedIn instead of sending an application to a job posting?

Not only that, but a 'long descriptive message' rather than something more casual like a request for information

[pastel thunder]

fine, i will be more subtle, slowly leaking out details

[smoky quest]

bro

[vapid jay]

Job market data came out for the US and it is BAD. Like really bad.

[sweet cypress]

really? link?

[fringe sphinx]

Eh, 4.3 vs 4.1%? Wasn't terrible... think market was looking for a sell off excuse.

But what do I know.

[vapid jay]

The thing is that the market was pricing in a rate cut in September. Given the rise in unemployment, that is no longer looking likely to happen. That was the primary reason for the sell off.

[vapid jay]

Here is an article

[smoky quest]

word on the street is that a lot will depend on the USA presidential election

Also intel just laid off 10000 people

[fringe sphinx]

It's a bit cyclical though, techs been riding high and spending, then tech gets whacked, then it goes back up again, etc.

I believe this was expressed most eloquently https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=53s&v=cJOKgFbMdzY&feature=youtu.be

[vapid jay]

Yeah, a lot of articles are saying that these tech companies are starting to realize that the transition to AI is a more costly than they thought and it might be a lot more difficult to fully implement.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, a "rational" market looks at the fundamentals ($$ in vs $$ out). The market is rarely rationale

[vapid jay]

So that's where that saying comes from. "The market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent"

[white relic]

I assume everyone with access to insider info is engaging in insider trading until proven otherwise

[vapid jay]

How do I install pip?

[vapid jay]

Thanks I’m sorry

[buoyant bloom]

install brew fr

[smoky quest]

In general, occam's razor applies.

I recommend to read Zero to One

[burnt sigil]

wht should I choose cse aur engineering in AI and ds

am weak at probability I hate it

[peak halo]

sorry, what does "cse aur engineering" mean?

[burnt sigil]

like btech

[peak halo]

are "cse" and "aur" acronyms? what do they stand for?

[burnt sigil]

aur means or..sorry for typo

[peak halo]

and cse?

[burnt sigil]

computer science engineering...basically btech in core computer stream

[narrow nimbus]

you have to move to USA and apply to carnigie mellon university

[peak halo]

Your username indicates that you're not actually trying to be helpful. Please stop.

[narrow nimbus]

that's your own connotation

you see my username is actually within the rules of the server so you can't do anything about it

[peak halo]

about that

!ban 654510334748655616 As a community that's primarily about education, people who want to actively mislead others have no place here. (Bio says "Will I change? No wayyy")

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @narrow nimbus permanently.

[muted night]

😶

Just graduated, I don't have a job. So I'm trying to pick a field and do some certifications in it so that I can get hired within 2-3 months hopefully

Like should I just stick to SDE jobs or pivot to data analyst

I think getting hired as an analyst would be easier cuz less ppl apply for it

Yes and the rest I'm trying to figure out here what type of job it is and will it suit me or not

[twilit portal]

What's your degree in?

[muted night]

CSE

I mean I have only 2-3 months so I was just trying to get a overview before actually giving it time

[sudden timber]

if you're open to both positions you could always continue to apply for both, no reason to specialize at the beginning of your career
if you want certs I'd just do whatever feels more interesting to you

once you get experience under the belt it opens a lot of doors for whatever you decide to specialize in later down the road

[muted night]

Fair enough

[muted night]

I don't think I'm open to data analyst cuz I have no credentials in it 😅

[sudden timber]

if you're not willing to do it that's perfectly fine, but if you just think you won't be hired bc you don't have credentials, CS related degrees are usually considered relevant credentials for those positions- albeit not direct experience. The #1 rule of applying to jobs is to not let yourself be the judge of whether you will be hired, don't avoid applying to jobs just bc you think you aren't qualified because a lot of times you will be suprised.

[smoky quest]

It comes down to education, skills and experience. Having graduated and zero experience, you could work on projects demonstrating your data analyst skills.

Feel free to also show an anonymized version of your resume. What's currently blocking? Are you getting called for interviews?

[muted night]

No I just get rejection mails, I think I'm not good at programming right now and also my gpa isn't good.

Will show the resume when I get my laptop in an hour or so

I'm currently doing a python certification to get my programming better

[smoky quest]

projects can also help

[muted night]

Yeah will do some projects as well

[marble lance]

How do start learning python?

[fervent mesa]

What's your gpa looking like?

[proven latch]

Yo how do I find someone i.p

Bc someone is trolling me by my i.p

So I'm going to do it back

[inner wren]

Rules

5. Do not provide or request help on projects that may violate terms of service, or that may be deemed inappropriate, malicious, or illegal.

[proven latch]

Ok

[idle oasis]

What certifications you are doing???

[pastel thunder]

how is progress of research scientist measured?
sure junior researcher can report to seniors about experiments,
But how does top level scientist, justlfy the R&D time? how will they be tracked for slacking off?

Cuz without even working they can be corresponding author in many research and Patents and no one will knows they didnt do anything

[muted spire]

Hello

I want to learn Python
I am a beginner

[slate tiger]

Welcome

[idle oasis]

Thanks for nothing, I don’t think it was stupid question I was just counting that anyone is studying or was on some good university with nice IT program in Europe and can just share their experience

[rain pewter]

Good try

[fast fossil]

I've heard ETH Zurich is one of the top unis in Europe for that

[muted night]

6 out of 10

[shy vapor]

hi people, I am habib

I want to learn python, I am kind of new to it, any suggestions?

[twilit portal]

!resources has some good resources, filter on 'beginner'

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[twilit portal]

Also if you want to ask questions that aren't directly career-related you can go to https://discord.com/channels/267624335836053506/267624335836053506

[shy vapor]

oh, thanks

[brittle pendant]

https://www.kojimaproductions.jp/en/Staff-interview-02

[graceful owl]

Cambridge is p good :D good ML courses as well

[idle oasis]

Yeah I heard about that too but I don’t really know what they expect I mean like I know I can have 100% on my finals and I have some basic courses and I will have some practics in the IT company but I think that’s just too less

[vapid jay]

Hi I am new to python
But had some theoretical knowledge of C basics
Please help
And i wanna build career in Ai and Ml

[balmy mural]

Path of most opportunities and least resistance is to get a CS degree. Especially if you want to go into AI/ML

[vapid jay]

I have core cs degree
Not ai and Ml

I am having a training in ai and Ml
But also what should I do from my side
Bcos part of degree held in corona time and I am suffering from adhd ( post effect of depression) and I want to restart so I enrolled in a training program

[hearty totem]

I am assuming in industry. When you're in a Lead position you talk to the CSO and/or CEO. Tell them what the R&D is about and listem to them on the sales pitches. I.e. if the R&D succeeds, does it sound like a good pitch to clients? And then you prove your own discipline to yourself by stopping projects that are just taking too long. A good company with good R&D will have far more R&D project than people to execute them, hence a project going badly and slow means that one should decide to close it off and move to a different one. Your ability as a lead to figure out when an R&D project os going nowhere and your skill in closing it off gracefully (e.g. relocating the junior researchers according to their skills) is what matters

And then discussing with the CSO why you are switching projects for your team is the best eval you can get. As a Lead/Principal scientist you are evaluated on you decision capability.

In academia is much easier. You just take out a scale. Print out all the papers you published this year. Sorry, print out all the papers you convinced people to put your name on as an author. And weight all that paper to show how much good research you're doing

[fringe sphinx]

One thing is to learn data skills in Python. Kaggle.com/learn is a good start.

[tranquil pine]

I learned basics of python. What should I do next. And where is python used.
Can anyone tell me?

[fringe sphinx]

Do projects, ask questions in #python-discussion

[neat talon]

i like programming in general but i struggle to get the hang of it should i give up on cs?

[fringe sphinx]

Programming is hard. Not too hard, but hard. Don't overthink it, just keep learning and it'll all come together

[neat talon]

alright

[fringe sphinx]

If you're doubting yourself, search for 'imposter syndrome programming' and you'll see that we all felt that way

[neat talon]

okay

[tacit wren]

Hey y'all

[silk wyvern]

What do yall do when you feel like coding is too hard/not for me

[signal gorge]

keep coding

find projects up to your level

!res is a great place, if you don't know what to choose I can help

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[signal gorge]

!kindling

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[signal gorge]

Kindling not resources*

[twilit portal]

If it helps, pretty much everybody feels this way sometimes, there are so many people in software development who have imposter syndrome
It's very common
It does get better though, as you keep going you will have more and more concrete projects you can look back on

[torpid birch]

With this CV, what could i improve to go for a full developer role? instead of going for network stuff

[vapid jay]

How much you know about networking?

[fringe sphinx]

Could aim for a DevOps type role as a stepping stone, since networking is valued there. Would be nice to see more cloud skills, and some programming projects.

[torpid birch]

At this point just based IP/TCP things, not even CCNA level

[torpid birch]

Personal projects i supose

Also issue with getting into devops is that everyone is asking for advanced network knowledge

[smoky quest]

Maybe frame yourself more as a devops person than a network automation engineer.
Because if you frame yourself as only knowing basic networking, as a network automation engineer, it might be interpreted in the wrong way

[smoky quest]

Were you a team lead?

[fringe sphinx]

Not really, DevOps is such a broad field. Some want more Linux, some want more networking, etc

[torpid birch]

I was leading a small team yeah but was temporary. Currently alone doing the projects, no one else is dedicated at programming in my department

[smoky quest]

As a reviewer, I read your resume as:

• You were tech leading 6 people
• You are mentoring/coaching them
• You are working on the project plans with them
• You are reviewing their architecture/technical decisions

So make sure to walk the fine line between appearing in a good light, and stretching it way too much

[torpid birch]

Ok so it appears to you that i am doing way more that what i actually did, i have to check the CV again

[smoky quest]

Yeah.
If you lead some project(s), state it so and be proud of it. But don't put it as an umbrella over the whole team if it is not the case.

The stuff you did would match what some devops engineers would do. So it would be fair to title your resume as Devops engineer.

In terms of interviews, you want to avoid the case where the reality only happens to be a fraction of what you state on your resume. Because then it also puts everything else into question

[torpid birch]

Sorry didn't catched what you are trying to say

[smoky quest]

If I catch you misrepresenting something, then nothing else is real

[torpid birch]

Unfraternally in 200 applications only 1 was directly for the company, the others were consulting companies and honestly wasted so much fucking time with them... to never actually get to the final client

[torpid birch]

got it thanks

The 1 direct was for Veeam, the others are consultings firms like PrimeIT, Axians, etc

[smoky quest]

yeah, it's something crazy about the EU market

There are other countries where there is a greater ratio of consulting

I think it comes down to a difference in how information technologies are perceived. USA companies will see tech as a competitive advantage, whereas a lot of EU companies will just see it as a cost center

[strange nova]

Ay

@fringe sphinx @smoky quest wassuppp

Was applying to jobs like sys admin and networking in addition to just programming

[near ocean]

Some formatting issues,
No headline for it repair or frontend dev?
First project tag name is indented
No headline for certifications?

[strange nova]

The first two are just blanked out

But you're right about the certifications skill- I'm trying to manage what little vertical space I have

Maybe I could shorten the description of computer repair to get that vertical space back

[near ocean]

You should blank them out with black so we can see

[smoky quest]

It looks much better than the old one if I remember correctly.

Here is how my interviewer brain would read it raw:

• It's better to have 2-3 resumes per personal than a single one trying to stuff at the same time full stack and IT
• your freelance experience would benefit from example of stuff you did. Like was there a specific contract that was difficult or that you are proud of?
• The Frontend developer and Manager might get some questions about what you mean by manager
• Your text parsing algorithm might get some questions in terms of lexer/parser
• Slightly too much technobabble for my taste. Ex: Utilized various combinations of event-driven and asynchronous designs with various control systems. -> show, don't tell

[strange nova]

Hmm, I feel like if i had separate resume for IT that would be underselling myself as just some weird beginner

I have damn near 10000 hours of skin in the game

[smoky quest]

Imagine you are hiring someone to deal with IT and you receive a resume where someone yaps about fullstack. You might be thinking that bro is applying to the wrong job

[true harness]

10000 hours of experience?

[outer rivet]

Man. I'm trying to learn to use AWS in prep for an interview, and it's just so overly complicated. Just trying to do one tutorial just sends me down a rabbit hole of tutorials of inconsistent success. 😫😫😫

[ebon dove]

Anyone got a TikTok job referral please send 🙏

[peak halo]

@ebon dove seeking employment on this server is against the rules. This is a warning.

[noble glacier]

how hard is cs major to maintain 4.0? bio major planning to switch to cs kus I like it but I'm also planning on potentially going to med school so I need high gpa

@ me

[smoky quest]

it can be fairly competitive to maintain a 4.0. Depends on the school and how good you are

but ngl, I am super confused about the part on switching to med school after a CS degree

[peak halo]

if you plan to go to med school, switching to CS would be a waste of your time.
education is expensive and time is limited. don't make irrational choices because "you like it".

[noble glacier]

more common than you think

[noble glacier]

plenty of people say the complete opposite especially for medical school

pre med students need high gpas anyways, it's common advice to major in what "you like" because you'll be more likely to have a higher gpa

and if you take the right classes certain things you learn with a cs major will be very beneficial in the medical field

my only concern is whether or not I'll be able to maintain a high cs gpa whilst doing pre med classes

[true harness]

it's not impossible, but having more chem and bio courses than a normal cs major will help you a lot

[peak halo]

from what I can tell, the theory-heavy CS courses are the ones that students struggle with most.

[noble glacier]

yeah idk tbh

I feel like the things I would be learning as a cs major would help a lot but I really needa soul search to figure out whether or not I can do it

[smoky quest]

From a topic/subject perspective, it's also pretty far from anything bio or medical. So it's like switching to something completely different

[noble glacier]

ig, but certain things like bioinformatics are close to bio/medical stuff

[smoky quest]

Sure. That's tautological

[noble glacier]

I just wanna be unique and have fun with my major

and worst case scenario cs is a backup

can't really do much with a bio major. perhaps all I'm looking for is a little bit of validation to pursue CS next to medicine

[ebon dove]

I ain’t know mb

[smoky quest]

In the context of doing a CS degree in order to get into med school, I don't think you will find a good answer on this server.

Beyond that a CS degree is fun and opens many doors

[dull belfry]

any tips to get hired

i got 2 invitations on upwork from clients.. but after initial chating they went quite

[strange nova]

Thanks!

[astral whale]

Can I ask something

[kindred oyster]

you just did

[umbral frigate]

school teacher / dad level joke

[hearty totem]

What Saul said: just ask. Apart from dad jokes no one will judge you here

[gaunt lantern]

Anyone know why pyautogui doesn’t wanna click or move my mouse? I’m using PiOS and programming on Thonny.

[vapid jay]

I'm also learning networking like port scanning and little bit I know. I am currently trying to learn python complete and then I'll move to networking.

[astral whale]

Is it okay to start your career with a stupid job?

[near ocean]

Whats a stupid job?

[astral whale]

I don't wanna say it

[white relic]

Well, do you have an alternative that isn't stupid?

"starve and go into debt" is stupider than most jobs

[near ocean]

If we say yes are you gonna quit?
Whats the point of asking this question

[fringe sphinx]

Abstract vague questions get abstract vague answers: "it depends"

[clear tartan]

Hello

[astral whale]

Yeah I'll quit it in 3 months, but i just feel pathetic

[astral whale]

"BPO"

[fringe sphinx]

Why? Did you have a better option?

Any professional work experience is better than none.

[astral whale]

No, I'm a fresher

[astral whale]

I want to have a job in data analysis, but i don't think I have a good portfolio for that

[fringe sphinx]

A job in BPO teaches you about business, topics that'll help any data analyst.

Understanding the rest of the business is good.

[astral whale]

How come?

[fringe sphinx]

This seems somewhat self explanatory, what do you mean?

[astral whale]

Hmm

[fringe sphinx]

Who would you rather hire, an analyst who understands the 'business' or an analyst who just knows how to crunch numbers but has no idea what they mean?

[astral whale]

Yeah, someone who understands the business

[fringe sphinx]

So don't sleep on that. It's important.

[astral whale]

Hmm yeah

Thanks

[dark crescent]

what libraries of Python should I learn to be a red team operator

[astral whale]

I just didn't expect myself to work in such a job after graduation

[peak halo]

Please do not ask the same question in multiple places unless you direct all answers to one centralized place.

[dark crescent]

my bad

[fringe sphinx]

Don't stress it, many new grads end up in adjacent jobs. Many CS majors start in QA, for instance. Just keep your learning going: read, projects, meetups, whatever

[strange seal]

hey guys new grads getting any jobs?

[astral whale]

Hmm

[strange seal]

i am a new grad for a year and idk what am doing wrong its about to be a year

does github project rep profile really help getting a job?

[astral whale]

Hmm

[strange seal]

i got interviews but they keep telling me they are looking for someone with more experence

Funny part is i applied to entry level jobs but i only get reverts for senior level positions

and the scmmersss dont get me started, a scammer interviewed me for two days i was honssetly shocked like what is going onn

okay, sounds cool

[fringe sphinx]

You mean number of stars?

[strange seal]

no i meant like building on it? makiking specific projects for it

[fringe sphinx]

You should have experience at building projects and using GitHub, yes.

[fringe sphinx]

What was the scam?

[fringe sphinx]

Also, share your resume (anonymized) for review if you like. Most resumes need a lot of works

[strange seal]

Ah, someone mailed me to get my resume, then they set a meeting for an interview, looked legit i did their problems on screen answered a whole questionnaire, like 30 questions with 2 hour time limit

then the dude asks me to venmo 1000$ to connect with hiring manager

[fringe sphinx]

Wow, not even subtle

[strange seal]

ofc i didnt but jesus i swear i interviewed for 2 days i took two days off for it

no! i am so done with these interview scams

[fringe sphinx]

Any warning signs or advice for others?

[strange seal]

Honestly i couldnt tell if was so real

[strange seal]

i guess never pay anyone for a job thats a scam

[twilit portal]

What were the questions and problems like?

[strange seal]

the questions were pretty generic back end, hence i didnt even question it, or realise it was a scam

the problem, they were mostly quality assurance/ correct the code stuff maybe that was the hint

ive never had a problems like that in interview, where i correct someones code

[fringe sphinx]

Haha maybe you were debugging their actual code 🙂

[strange seal]

ouf

Funny thing is similar thing happened to my classmate, he was asked to write a program and when he went to professor for advice, they held a scammer alert announcement xD

like idk whats happening i swear, some suggest they are making uni students do ai programming queries with so called job opportunities

[versed tusk]

Does anyone know a good sector or place where I can find a people looking for having prediction algorithms made? Fairly simple things that can be taken as freelance project. I’m looking to gather funding for a prototype for my startup, and thought this might be something people are looking for.

[pastel thunder]

Do i need to let next employer know that i will be releaved from last company 2 weeks before the date i am joining their company?

Context: I and new employer voluntarily preponed the date of joining.( this was not because my notice period was shortened)

I am serving very small notice period at current company (like 10 days, this is something i requested current employer to do)

[buoyant seal]

Do i need to let next employer know that i will be releaved from last company 2 weeks before the date i am joining their company?
reasonable honesty is part of being of being a professional worker

[lusty dune]

If it was easy to be Đenio, everyone could be Đenio

[pastel thunder]

So usually, employer expect us to switch from friday at company A to monday at company B????

If we are not explicitly telling them that we are taking a week or two gap

[near ocean]

You dont need to tell anyone you'll be getting off work earlier than expected

[strange seal]

hey guys are entry level certificates worth it?

[pine sleet]

For? SWE?

[near ocean]

And also you should probably always try to get one week or two off before starting a new job, to reset mentally

[buoyant seal]

or even a month-two if there is good opportunity here. After all with how rare normal vacations, it is a golden opportunity person has very rarely potentially

[pastel thunder]

Cool

[iron raven]

what is a red team opperator ?

[fringe sphinx]

You should be clear about what country you're asking about. Iirc, you're in India and many of us do not the employment norms in India.

[fringe sphinx]

https://www.sentinelone.com/cybersecurity-101/what-is-a-red-team/

[swift totem]

is there anyone who is a software engineer here

[fringe sphinx]

Yes, many. Arguably, most of us.

[swift totem]

i expected there to be, i have a question

do u enjoy being a software engineer?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes

[swift totem]

alr, i've been thinking about being one and there are videos that kinda demotivate me

[fringe sphinx]

Social media is not a good source of truth

[swift totem]

yea

anyways thanks

[fringe sphinx]

What are you concerned about?

[near ocean]

Your software eng experience may vary, its not the same everywhere, it depends mostly on the workplace

[swift totem]

ugh that i won't enjoy being a software engineer

[swift totem]

yea

[iron raven]

so a white hat hacker

[fringe sphinx]

Why not? Also, how old are you? Why do you need to decide now?

Lots of people learn programming, but decide to go into other fields. Learning programming doesn't mean you have to be a SWE.

[near ocean]

It also doesnt mean you'd enjoy whatever other career you pick either

[swift totem]

i love coding so im afraid that if i do this job i will not enjoy and loose interest in it

[swift totem]

yea i know, but i dont really know what other job i would like

[fringe sphinx]

I enjoy it -more- as a job, tbh. I -love- building things that people use

[pastel thunder]

yeah,
also a funny thing i remember from this: whenever I said, when will offer be made, offer letter be sent, joining date, CTC revision/ joining date pre poning etc
every time HR says just need approval from US office lmao

[balmy mural]

Has an offer letter been sent yet?

[pastel thunder]

yeah, just discussing preponement of joining date

[pastel thunder]

took 5 months 💥

[pastel thunder]

Signed just need approval on joining early

They insisted on this earlier

[quick verge]

CS50 for python

[blissful solar]

the one by harvard

[fringe sphinx]

There are many good resources, and there's no 'best', so try them out and see what you like. #python-discussion is a better channel to start in

[true harness]

who

[edgy yarrow]

so i just realized all freshman’s at the school im going to are required to take precalc for the first term regardless of what ap credits you have, do you think that will help with the learning curve when it comes to calc?

[fringe sphinx]

That seems crazy and wrong.

[true harness]

that's hilarious (and crazy and wrong)

[fringe sphinx]

I've never seen a US university do that: usually there's an entrance/placement test

[fringe sphinx]

So, I'd suggest you look more closely to find the placement test.

Maybe they enroll in precalc unless you test out.

[edgy yarrow]

yeah there was, i got a perfect grade on it and had calc credits but idk

[fringe sphinx]

Then something doesn't add up. Contact your advisor.

[pastel thunder]

I would have done anything to leave current employer.
It hasnt been easy to get interview opportunity lately, but this company reached out themselves. Plus they are giving close to 200% increment even when my current TC is definitely like double the average new grad.

They are quite literally saving me from this toxic work place and I think it is true when they mentioned they are in a hiring freeze, its still active and thats why they are needing approvals

[true harness]

you're in the US, right? you said you had AP credits. i would definitely talk to math department people + your advisors to figure out what's up. AP calc has existed for like 30 years and it's been accepted pretty much everywhere for at least half that time

[edgy yarrow]

sounds good thanks for all the advice

[edgy yarrow]

so i didnt take calc bc, only ab, this university only takes credit for calc bc. the placement test was to only decide whether u start with college algebra or pre calc....

[true harness]

that's messed up. surely they have a bunch of students in your exact position. did you ask about trying to test out of at least pre-calc?

[pine sleet]

Isn't AB calc supposed to be like calc 1 which is typically first semester math? I haven't heard of people with AB calc credit not being able to skip calc 1

[true harness]

it's common to not skip calc even if you've taken ap calc. but going into pre-calc is 💀 💀 💀

[fringe sphinx]

Not only that, I've never heard of sending you back to pre calc. ^

[fringe sphinx]

I would look for a written policy on this, because this sounds very unusual.

[edgy yarrow]

i just checked up with her again to confirm and apperently they realized a much higher success pass rate with students in calc 1 when they took "college level pre calc"

[edgy yarrow]

idk how justtifiable that answer is^^^ but she said i will be graduating on time regardless if i take it or not, in the 4 years

im also not worried because im pretty good at calc

[true harness]

graduating on time doesn't mean you'll be able to take all the courses you want 😒. of course you have a higher success rate...the students are older, have more math experience, and are generally more experienced with academia

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I'd just be annoyed if I had to take classes I didn't need. That said: college calc has such a high failure rate that I understand the logic of giving students an extra semester to get them to same level. It's just unusual, to me.

[strange seal]

guys did anyone get job without a public projects domain?

I keep getting told to work on my github with new and amazing projects but how important is that really when it come to landing a job?

[peak halo]

It's not nearly as important as education and internships.

[strange seal]

is it?

[peak halo]

I'm saying it's not.

[edgy yarrow]

can someone who has gone through freshamn year of uni and comp sci 1 tell me what the projects and assigments are like

[strange seal]

i did go to university for tech but am stuggling to find an internship

[peak halo]

Depends on the program. What courses are in the first year for you?

[peak halo]

You did go? So you already graduated?

[edgy yarrow]

english comp class, psych class, pre calc and comp sci 1

[strange seal]

idk what to focus on doing certificates or making github or tailor apply i cant do all i have limited time since i work part time

[edgy yarrow]

leetcode 🤩

[strange seal]

yes i did

[peak halo]

"comp sci 1" will probably be stuff like "this is an if statement" and "this is a for loop"

[edgy yarrow]

oh ffs...

[peak halo]

Try posting your resume in this channel. You should be looking for full time positions. Not internships.

[edgy yarrow]

i have completly learned python and they teach in c++ so i guess its not bad for foundation

[strange seal]

can i dm you?

[peak halo]

No; be sure to remove self-identifying details from your resume before posting it in this channel.

[strange seal]

okay

[edgy yarrow]

@strange seal 1 question, did you have any internships while at uni?

[peak halo]

@edgy yarrow what courses are in the second semester?

[edgy yarrow]

idk about the others, but comp sci and math courses are calc 1 and comp sci 2

[strange seal]

nope they were part time web devs

[edgy yarrow]

i mean im here asking about what the courses will be like, so im not the biggest help but i would assume its a good idea to build up a bunch of projects to put on the resume, im sure there are also unpaid internship jobs out there that you could take to add onto your resume aswell

[strange seal]

true but i have a full time 60 hr week non tech job rn which i cant take time off

[peak halo]

It's harder to speculate about what "comp sci 2" would contain as compared to "comp sci 1". For me, the nearest equivalent to "CS 2" was the OOP course.

[strange seal]

hm

btw i am making my new resume rn hence am asking so much

[edgy yarrow]

oop is its own course ill most likly be taking sophmore year

[strange seal]

are virtual expeiriences worht putting on resumes to get a full time job?

[edgy yarrow]

i just have a question, after my gen eds are done will most of my courses consist of purly comp sci classes?

[peak halo]

That could be a lot of things. I'm not sure

[peak halo]

Depends on the requirement structure of your program. I recommend writing out all the requirements as a directed graph

[strange seal]

ah you know those virtual internships they have from pepsi/walmart/accenture, which is just like do tasks and get a certificate thing

[peak halo]

Make a diagram like this where each circle is a course and it points to the courses that require it

[edgy yarrow]

my uni has something like this that lists all the courses required to take in order to graduate

[peak halo]

Do you say "term" instead of "semester"? Just clarifying.

[edgy yarrow]

yep yep

[true harness]

note: this is called a topological sort, and the python standard library has a module to compute it for you, graphlib.

also worth including courses you want to take, that aren't required. electives

[peak halo]

(I already know that it's called topological sort, but perhaps psvm wasn't saying that for my benefit.)

[strange seal]

well?

[peak halo]

Doesn't sound very important

[strange seal]

well what should i put on my resume all i have is non tech experience

[edgy yarrow]

this is pretty much my first 2 year courses, not including the courses i want to take

[peak halo]

Did you get involved on campus in any way while you were in uni?

[true harness]

a lot of electives will have prereqs in these fundamental courses anyway, so you don't need to have everything planned right now

[strange seal]

yes mostly in classes and keeping library

[peak halo]

Okay, well, try to fill one page with your most relevant experience.

[strange seal]

hm okay

[edgy yarrow]

@strange seal are you looking for internships purly at FAANG??

[strange seal]

even if its just college projects and virtual internships?

[strange seal]

no am looking a anything man

[edgy yarrow]

can you give me an example of a project a prof might ask from you?

[true harness]

uhh. honestly i don't know..i've never taken an intro programming course at college.. but probably nothing too extraordinary. you can try to find the syllabus to see if there is info there

[edgy yarrow]

@strange seal is your resume template simple, i heard the simpler the better because u have like 10-15 seconds to attract the person reading it

[strange seal]

i am making it man maybe am thinking too much after too many rejections

[peak halo]

Ones first job hunt is pretty much always brutal.

[strange seal]

just 1.3 years now my part time job has become fulltime madness

[edgy yarrow]

i know for a fact harvard has a whole website just consisting of resumes that work well, you can try using one of their avalible templates

[strange seal]

and its so weird i get interviews for senior positions not nay for enty level

[strange seal]

i used those tbh idk

[edgy yarrow]

are you sure ur applying to entry level positions??

[strange seal]

i been applying to everything tbh

[random grail]

Hi I've been trying to decide what career I would want to pursue computer engineering or software development. I am experienced in both but I want to focus on one for now this August I've been struggling a little with engineering and I find software development a little easier. Well my main question is studying engineering worth it (pursuing engineering eventhough I find it a little hard but interesting) I have studied software development more than engineering I started software development back in 2017 but I've wanting learn different subjects like engineering

[peak halo]

When you say "computer engineering", you're talking about the design of computer hardware, right?

[random grail]

Yes

[peak halo]

The people on this server are overwhelmingly going to be on the software development side.

What are your priorities for choosing one over the other?

[strange nova]

Fuck

[random grail]

What I find easier in engineering database management systems and web technology that's why I am considering engineering maybe but like I said I have some hard subjects I am struggling with in engineering like networks, theory, and compiler design

[strange nova]

Bro you been practice since 2017? Have you made up some projects? I think you should just get your resume ready and start applying

Like switching gears here doesn't even sound like something I'd think of

Why does that warrant a pythink

[summer roost]

are you currently enrolled in university, then, in a computer engineering program?

[random grail]

Haha true but I got into engineering kinda got bored in software development 😅

[summer roost]

I'm not clear on what you're suggesting - are you suggesting that they should start applying for jobs without finishing their degree?

[random grail]

I am currently in highschool

[strange nova]

Ah

[pine sleet]

both CS and CE are great degrees. it really comes down to your interest

[strange nova]

Yes. I knew a lead java engineer guy and he tell me to start applying after I had practice for like a year (but I didn't realize he is still in HS). I know plenty of self taught engineers with no degree to speak of

[pine sleet]

its common for college students to change majors, and CS and CE often have many similar classes so it shouldn't be too much of a set back to switch degrees

[fringe sphinx]

Hmm, I only know the mit ones. https://capd.mit.edu/resources/sample-resumes/

[random grail]

But if you have more experience in one of them is it smart to change degrees?

[summer roost]

then I'm even more confused: does your high school have computer engineering courses?

I'd expect that to only be available at the university level

[fringe sphinx]

It is hard to land an SWE interview without a degree. My usually advice is to look at adjacent roles, or apply to a broader set of roles (QA, support, help desk, operations) to get your foot in the door

[random grail]

Well I took all the CS AP exams and now currently I self study and work on my own projects

[summer roost]

engineering is extremely difficult to self-study, from what I've heard

[random grail]

My teacher is currently not as advanced as me

[fringe sphinx]

High school computers teachers often aren't

[random grail]

Last year I took engineering at my school and it was really beginner (easy)

[summer roost]

I went down the software path, not the computer engineering path, but I do know a fair number of people who went down a computer engineering path. I'll say that, at least at my university, all engineering students, regardless of which specific engineering discipline they were majoring in, needed to take a curriculum containing many of the same engineering courses, and many of the computer engineers said that fluid dynamics was the hardest course they ever had to take

[random grail]

What university do u go to? (If you don't mind)

[summer roost]

I went to Drexel, long ago

[pine sleet]

not unless there are other factors. you could be more experienced in one degree but you could hate it, that would be a valid reason to switch

[random grail]

Ok

[fringe sphinx]

I know CE majors looking for traditional SWE jobs, too, all sorts of things happen.

[summer roost]

most people who switch majors switch because they discover that they don't enjoy the major they're in as much as they thought they would. They find it difficult to learn, or they discover that the jobs it's associated with aren't the ones they want, etc

[pine sleet]

in general college isn't as straight forward as high school. you don't just go in, get handed your classes, do it for 4 years, then graduate with barely any effort. people take all sorts of paths through college

[summer roost]

you're told to pick a major based on a high schooler's idea of what that major will be like. It's often quite distorted.

[vapid jay]

I have a question in terms of the type of Python code being written by people at various positions. It's kind of an odd question as well. Suppose a SWE is writing Python code and a Data Scientist is writing Python code. How would the code that a SWE writes differ from that of a Data Scientist? Would the SWE be focused more so on design patterns, concurrency / efficiency? Would the Data Scientist not care too much of code quality and just want to get the job done even if it's not following SWE best practices?

[fringe sphinx]

I thought I was going to go to music school Junior year. Then, I enrolled as EE. That was horrible.

[pine sleet]

to be blunt, the code i've seen written by physicists, data scientists, mathematicians, is pretty bad

[summer roost]

heh. Even as a senior in college, I was debating whether I wanted to go into teaching or industry

[pine sleet]

but that's not necessarily a bad thing because while a SWE may have design patterns and how easy a codebase is to maintain in mind, someone else may just be using a language to get something done

[summer roost]

I'd say that data scientists tend to write code that doesn't need to be maintained over time, and software engineers write code that does need to be maintained over time. That makes a big difference to the amount of effort spent on things like automated testing, documentation, scalability, maintainability, etc

[vapid jay]

Thank you.

[vapid jay]

Thanks!

The reason I asked that question is because I have this weird feeling everytime I write code. Like, oh this code would never be included in a code base, this isn't professional enough, this isn't following python best practices. I end up focusing so much on code quality rather than just writing the code to complete the task. Like I get Jealous of people that use very advanced techniques like exploiting the type system to create highly generic custom data structures and I feel bad. I asked in this channel because I am currently moving away from SWE in mind to Data Science and AI / ML in terms of my career path.

Are the Salaries for Data Science and SWE similar or is there a significant gap?

[peak halo]

What I find easier in engineering database management systems and web technology that's why I am considering engineering
if your definition of "computer engineering" includes database management systems and web technology, then that's not the design of computer hardware.

[fringe sphinx]

That's kinda a definition of imposter syndrome. Don't stress it, we all experience self doubt. Advice: seek out fresh opinions (talk to people) and do the best you can with what you know.

[vapid jay]

Imposter Syndrome has kept me away from applying for jobs for a long time now.

[buoyant seal]

SWE code at professional comany will be able to complete solution with going through its all bugs and having present unit testing. (Would u like books i recommend to learn it?)
SWE code will be maintainable enough (readable, where necessary reusable), and of not shitty enough quality to be deployed
Typing is very optionally present for dynamic typed languages. It is super nice when it is present and i am fan of it, but super rare in dynamic typed languages
Design patterns are a concept more often present again... depending on situations. in Java/C# more, in Python very less often present, but can be. depends on... situation

Code of data scientists can be potentially (i saw several of them) is of a such dreaful quality that even junior SWE writes better by multiple magnitudes 😅

[vapid jay]

Thank you for that perspective

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, please don't think that way. The way we get good is as a team; getting feedback from seniors and peers.

[vapid jay]

Supervised ML but for my Brain?

[true harness]

pretty sure that's just called learning

[fringe sphinx]

lol, exactly

[vapid jay]

Not in 2024

[buoyant seal]

https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#TestDrivenDevelopmentByExample
https://darklab8.github.io/blog/favourite.html#UnitTestingPrinciplesPracticesandPatterns
Learn unit testing, and your code will be of average python quality pretty much if u are even just aware about other existing things and writing reasonably not too shitty code 🙂
Pretty much... unit testing will affect your code to have all the good qualities with high chance, if u will just think to design it testable with rapid local feedback
Just don't skip covering database related interactions to be tested too

[vapid jay]

I will bookmark these and look at them tonight. Thank you.

[buoyant seal]

There can be steps more to learn coding completely awesome. But as i mentioned, just writing unit testable code u will achieve average quality, if u just invest yourself into it throughly. Auto testing runtime validations are the main concept of quality for dynamic typed languages. Everything else is optional.
Local rapid feedback matters. It allows writing even shitty initial code, it will be still maintainable and documented enough to continue. and fix to higher cleaner state after that... as long as u get into the spirit of noticing smells and fixing them.
Auto testing makes possible... with reasonable effort not to be afraid changing code until it became better.
Making things locally rapidly testable, that's the thing making some of the most important... part of a dev comfort. As u can crawl with visual debug then through your tests and fix anything almost.

If knowing some array of things it can be done better of course... but everything starts with good local auto testing first 😎 (and having configured visual debug for easier checking and debugging things, hehe)

[vapid jay]

Awesome. Thanks for the advice!! I really appreciate it.

[zinc stone]

To what extent is free lancing with Python possible

[vapid jay]

It's possible but very difficult to compete against the large dev markets in China and India.

[zinc stone]

What should I do to freelance? I am still a begineer but after I have some experience

[peak halo]

Do not try to do freelance. Unless you have many years of experience and a broad network, freelancing is a race to the bottom where low-skill developers collect low-pay for trivial work.

[zinc stone]

I see

i want to earn money in maybe the next 2 years...

[peak halo]

what is your current status in life?

[zinc stone]

I am 15 and in 10th grade

[peak halo]

what country?

[zinc stone]

Pakistan

?

[hidden crystal]

Lowk i still dont fw u after what u did to me

@pine sleet Hey. how do i apply again. do i create an acc on their website? or use common app

[fringe sphinx]

What do those words mean?

[vapid jay]

lowkey, fuck with

[true harness]

"i really don't like you after ..."

[hidden crystal]

He purposely muted me in python discussion js to get ppl talking abt shit. If i was a mod i woulda done it in a private channel.

[fringe sphinx]

I never really understood low key

[strange nova]

lowk idfwpsvm /s frfr

[fringe sphinx]

We take PyDis seriously. Keep it on topic , there's three off topics

[hidden crystal]

Bro what 💀 thats not what im talking abt, idc abt my mute. im js saying it woulda been appropriate for him to mute me in a priv channel so it doesnt cause drama in chat. Also i broke a rule in python help, nowhere near python disc.

[fringe sphinx]

But what was your q?

[hidden crystal]

oh nah its smth with robin. they go to a school im applying for and im asking for like instructions dont worry.

[fringe sphinx]

What I'm saying here is: don't bring drama into other channels. If you have an issue, dm modmail. Otherwise, don't spam noise.

[hidden crystal]

Bet

WHY DO I NEED TO PAY 80$ WTF @pine sleet

[zinc stone]

same

[hidden crystal]

😭 im being scammed bruh. What if i get denied

is that how colleges make money

[zinc stone]

Billy

when i can make games should i publish them?

[balmy spade]

not Billy, but yes.

[zinc stone]

i want more opinions

[hidden crystal]

he just gave you one 💀

[zinc stone]

Opinions* not a life decision

[balmy spade]

Didn't realize I was giving you a life decision and Billy is still more than able to also answer.

[zinc stone]

yeah i think hes in a help thread rn

[hidden crystal]

He didnt even give u a life decision he just answered your question with yes 💀

[zinc stone]

@fringe sphinx

can u stop?

[pine sleet]

this is the application fee i was telling you about

[zinc stone]

Lol

Robin can u give ur opinion

[pine sleet]

its non refundable so no

[pine sleet]

on?

[zinc stone]

When after a few months I can make my own 2D games..should I publish them?

[pine sleet]

publish as in like, just putting them on github to show it off?

i do that for all my projects, even half baked ones

[zinc stone]

what no

[hidden crystal]

Is the whole applic. through common app or their website

[zinc stone]

Publish the real publish...on playstore or sum if thats possible

[pine sleet]

its usually all through common app for most colleges

i think the payment has to be done through the university website tho

[pine sleet]

oh uh, sure. though i think there's usually a cost overhead to doing that so

[hidden crystal]

if im js behinning to apply, do i go to common app first and fill out THEIR essay

[pine sleet]

like on steam it's $100 to publish a game

[zinc stone]

let me see

[hidden crystal]

@balmy spade did u get a pfp change.

[balmy spade]

Not in the recent 10 years.

[zinc stone]

costs 25 dollars...7,000 pkr for me

[hidden crystal]

Focus on making projects first n not worrying abt publishing stuff

[pine sleet]

yeah do that and the general questions stuff (it asks you about family, previous education, some other legal stuff) and the common app essay. all this info is shared across colleges

[hidden crystal]

how long does finishing the whole entire common app take, cs i wan start rn

[zinc stone]

i will do both...but yeah a promising game is a must

[pine sleet]

i did mine 3 days before the deadline

don't do what i did

[hidden crystal]

Oh then i got the wrong guy. someone has the same bio as u and was like a dog pfp

[hidden crystal]

im not, im doing early decision. also 3 days before deadline 😭 Thta means ill be fine. 3 days and i finish applying for colleges right ? then all i gotta do is send it around

[pine sleet]

yeah pretty much. rec letters take the longest and are out of your control

everything else you can do on your own time

[rapid fern]

hey everyone, i found a link through Reddit, is this the channel for resume reviews?

[pine sleet]

it is indeed

[rapid fern]

do i dm, or just upload it here?

[pine sleet]

we prefer you upload it here. make sure any personal information is blocked out

images preferred over downloadable pdfs

[hidden crystal]

Robin are u at college station

[pine sleet]

yes

[hidden crystal]

If i get in, can i give you a hug for helping me fr

[pine sleet]

i think i'll pass

[zinc stone]

._.

[hidden crystal]

Do i acc have to pay around 100$ for all 20 colleges im applying to 😭

[pine sleet]

something like that

[hidden crystal]

Thats acc such a scam, so i have to have 2k on me ready?

[pine sleet]

20 colleges is a bit too much though

i think 10 is the upper limit for what's recommended

[hidden crystal]

no i have to do every ivy. then safeties, then every school in my state

[pine sleet]

you dont have to do all that

[true harness]

if cost is an issue, there are often fee waivers or discounts you can get

[hidden crystal]

there is but its js for homeless ppl or like low income ppl

[pine sleet]

do a couple safeties, a bit more match, then a bit less reach

[pine sleet]

college board is a scam, common app is a scam

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know anything about games or game publishing.

[pine sleet]

well i guess the fee is more of a university thing. but still

[zinc stone]

yeah ok i got my answer i think

[hidden crystal]

I wish i lied saying im broke on my economic transcript

im so dumb 😭

[pine sleet]

need more numbers and impacts. i'm seeing a lot of "what i created" and "how i created it", but not really what effects it had

[hidden crystal]

i get started with this right? before anything? its my first time

[pine sleet]

also see if you can get it a bit shorter. one page if possible. you can remove and keep things based on what jobs you're applying to - everything doesn't have to be there

you can have a master resume that has everything, and from there you can take things out that are not relavent

[hidden crystal]

is chatgpt allowed, my friends said it is just not alot 😭 also someone said reuse prev applicants shit is a good idea

[pine sleet]

yeah

[pine sleet]

no. admissions offices read thousands of these, its incredibly easy to sniff out chatgpt or other generic applications

the whole point is to be unique and stand out

[hidden crystal]

Nah i just needa tell it to not sound robotic right

[pine sleet]

that's not gonna work

[hidden crystal]

so if i give u smth generated by chatgpt would u be able to tell

[zinc stone]

allowed for what

[pine sleet]

you can try as hard as you want chatgpt doesn't generate quite natural speech

[pine sleet]

i spend a lot of time on this server and i can pinpoint chatgpt code

[hidden crystal]

ok not code, just like speech in general

[pine sleet]

natural language isn't much different

[balmy spade]

Spend even a week reading papers written by students. You will find the chatgpt'ed papers stand out starkly.

[hidden crystal]

ok but u acc need proof

[pine sleet]

nah

[balmy spade]

No. As a reviewer or, in my case, a grader all you need is a reason to think it's chatgpt.

[pine sleet]

they have enough discretion to be able to bin yours and move on if it sounds like chatgpt

[hidden crystal]

robin do i write 1st person for my application, cs teachers told me to never use shit like I or smth when im writing essays, so its a habit

[pine sleet]

i think its fine. its been a while since i did this so you should ask your english teacher for questions like these

my high school english teacher would hold office hours for us seniors for reviewing college essays

[hidden crystal]

ok but not for u, U did urs 3 days before 😭

[pine sleet]

yeah thats bad dont do that

my essays were pretty ass because of that

[hidden crystal]

Why does it say 650 max words??

[pine sleet]

nobody wants to read yap

same reason why we recommend resumes to be one page

[hidden crystal]

Essays are like 5k limit 😭 tho. since when did essays become 650

[pine sleet]

🤷

[hidden crystal]

Wait do i include shit like "and this is why i feel this college would be a good fit " or do i just yap about my acomplishments without acknowledging them

Do i use paragraphs too or just one long paragraph. Whta format is the essay. and how personal ca ni get . this prolly my last question

also u never told me abt the recycling essays thing of past students

[pine sleet]

split it up, adds some structure. you can get pretty personal with the essays, the whole point is for the person reading to get to know you as a person more (or as much as can be done in such a format)

dont recycle essays. it's probably easy enough for them to match it against other stored essays

[true harness]

this is not the right discord for these questions. ask your English teacher

[hidden crystal]

they got into the college i want to go to study cs and they dont accept dms. acc nvm ur right

[hidden crystal]

Wait before i leave, is apgov an easy clsas cs im taking it this year. like what should i look out for

[pine sleet]

if you have specific questions about the college you can dm me. but for general common app questions they should probably be directed towards your advisors/english teachers, they can help you better than i can (its been a while since i've been in high school)

[hidden crystal]

U dont accept dms tho 😭

[pine sleet]

its fine

i just dont like getting random python help questions in my dms

[hidden crystal]

Oh yeah i get what u mean.

[vapid jay]

Hello everyone

[quaint fulcrum]

My job has EAP wherein my organisation can pay for some learning. Are there any python related course or certification I can take to better my resume?

[faint depot]

Got my engineering apprenticeship interview today. Hopefully I smash it

[twilit portal]

Good luck!

[faint depot]

Thank you

[silk wyvern]

Best of luck!

[fringe sphinx]

What's your background? Do you
have a Uni degree?

[buoyant seal]

AWS Certificates have recognition today and value for resume 😉
At least if it is anything above Cloud Practioner as far as i know
https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:2000/1*lAodSXZrk5YSk3UcrYx5qg.png

[lapis wind]

Yup, you get sufficiently good as becoming an AWS tool salesman 😁

And then realise that most of it is engineered to extract as much money out of your company as possible

[buoyant seal]

😛 all is fine for when it is not you paying for this.
also not i invented the trends on resume market

[faint depot]

Thank you. The interview is done now. I think I did well but Idk if I did well enough

[split citrus]

Hello I just graduated and I accepted a Software QA role after a bit of applying and only landing that. Is that position a stepping stone into SWE? Thank you!

[buoyant seal]

in some companies QA can be modern enough fully fledged devs
but in majority companies as far as i know QA are people who were not accepted to proper SWE roles. this job type is on the lowest type of spectrum somewhere near Wordpress dev or Help desk support in terms of duties
as it can involve for majority jobs even zero coding
Sort of dead end career job role, after which hard to migrate to anything else. If u graduated university, bets to seek smth else

[split citrus]

Ah I see! I will be doing automated testing so I thought it would help.

[fringe sphinx]

It is a great stepping stone. Many devs start in a QA role. But, you need to continue your education and professional development to keep your dev skills sharp.

[buoyant seal]

i was speaking about Manual QA job roles as complete dead end, automated testing at least has some perspectives

[split citrus]

Thank you! I am planning to keep my coding skills sharp

[fringe sphinx]

Agree with Duck: -some- QA roles are button pushers, but even then they'll teach you about other parts of software development and professional engineering.

[split citrus]

Ah yes I understand thank you!

[fringe sphinx]

QA automation skills are very valued: a good QA dev makes a big difference to a dev team

[split citrus]

This company offers a coding bootcamp where I can become a full stack developer which I will probably do

[fringe sphinx]

At my last company, the top QA dev was just as valued as our top SWE.

[true harness]

the QA on my team are actual devs. they need to understand the code as much as we do. if you can get into one of these sorts of roles, where you're embedded into a dev team, it can be really easy to pivot

[split citrus]

Ok thank you so much for the informations and tips! Helps a lot

[true harness]

as long as you're getting some coding in, it'll be good, I think

[fringe sphinx]

(And even if you don't, it's still good xp)

[split citrus]

Ya I’m excited to get some experience in haha

Still grateful I got an offer

[fringe sphinx]

What kind of company?

[buoyant seal]

i think AWS ECS is great concept too.
U can utilize container orchestration with EC2 machines without complexity of EKS
everything works on native AWS GUi interface, and has no extra costs for master nodes as AWS EKS has
AWS ECS is nice as long as u do Infrastructure as a Code. Opentofu or Pulumi.
And u can save extra money with ECS if using Spot instances

[lapis wind]

To be fair to Aws open search is not a cost effective service anyway

Serverless is always technically a lie tho

It is just a "pay as you go" type system

[buoyant seal]

Also u could be wishing to include AWS RDS into your list. this is a powerful basic thing to delegate database managent to service instead of doing it on your own.
Unless u wish to be sysadmin of your organization and managing dbs instead of writing code

add here then Route53 (DNS), and certification management, and CDN stuff as useful stuff too 😇
UPD: And yeah we use SQS for zero management redis/rabbitmq alternative to power Celery broker

[lapis wind]

My list is generally:

• ECS
• ECS EC2 cluster
• SQS

[true harness]

Kafka 🥹

[lapis wind]

No one likes Kafka

you only have to deal with setting up a Kafka cluster once to begin doing everything in your power to not use it

Red panda or warpstream make it a bit less painful

[buoyant seal]

we use Postgresql Clusters managed for us by Kubernetes operator and it is smoothly enough operates and wasy easy to deploy and maintain so far
Perhaps the same can be achieved for kafka eh? Just delegating the problems of setting up to some Helm for k8s

[lapis wind]

This only goes to a point, at certain scales it becomes significantly more annoying to keep stable

I guess that goes for most things tho

[buoyant seal]

😁 hehe, that is basically my job role stuff. Infrastructure as a code stuff (Terraform, AWS ECS, GH Actions, Kubernetes, literally same stack). but i also have some backend duties thankfully.

[true harness]

yaml writers 😩

[buoyant seal]

i hate yaml 😁 and never use it if i can.
Infrastructure as a code for AWS And terraform we do through Terraform Opentofu which is HCL static typed language. it's nice.
Plus some customizations i maintain for lambdas and infra apps in golang and in python.
Otherwise for GH actions yaml is unavoidable. But i hope to try one day Dagger IO tool and see if i like it to fit my needs (plus i found recipes for writing reusable actions in Go for GH)

I like yaml for docker-compose though. For small stuff, for small CI, i think yaml is okay. But for our large amount of CI code it becomess less okay, but still managable

[lapis wind]

😅 We use TF, but define the TF as core services that then do lookup on a yaml file

So people can easily add various bits of infra just by changing the yaml

Trust me you do not want to that xD

We did something similar for EXCEL formulas... And SQL...

[true harness]

yeah,

run: |
  print("yo")

[lapis wind]

As in EXCEL/SQL -> Python and Python -> Excel or SQL

Think smarter not harder 🫡

[acoustic forge]

Hey folks, i need feedback for my resume project: https://audiobookgenerator.vercel.app thanks!

There is user auth etc

[elder igloo]

Hey, I have put myself in a odd situation and I'd like some advice

My workplace has only two devs, me and a colleague of mine, we were both fresh out of uni and had been hired on a promise that soon a senior would be hired to provide guidance to us. However, it's been a year and the hiring of the senior keeps being postponed on grounds that the company has other priorites.
This has resulted in a messy developer environment, where things technically work but keep breaking constantly and hasn't been documented properly.
I've reached a point where I'm tired of waiting for the senior and want to quit, would it be ok if I just quit or should I spend some time documenting everything properly before quitting?

Honestly I'm very discouraged to document things since there was no senior to guide me on how to do it properly, so I think most time spend documenting stuff would be wasted making unusable docs

[lapis wind]

My workplace has only two devs, me and a colleague of mine, we are both fresh out of uni and have been hired on a promise that soon a senior would be hired to provide guidance to us. However, it's been a year and the hiring of the senior keeps being postponed on grounds that the company has other priorites.
Oh yikes

Are there any other devs? Or just you two?

[fringe sphinx]

I consider myself fairly ethical and responsible with this stuff but: I wouldn't worry about documenting or doing work that the company hasn't requested. It's on them for not managing an engineering team correctly.

Secondly, there's nothing you can do to fix it. You'd probably just end up doing work that wasn't requested, in a way that some future engineer will still throw away.

[lapis wind]

Yeah on that, tbh it seems the company is fucking you guys over, them not hiring a senior or someone with more experience to guide the development is them digging their own grave.

[fringe sphinx]

But, get a new job before quitting.

And, number 1 rule of interviewing: Don't complain or criticize about your current workplace

[elder igloo]

just us two, the rest of the team is exclusively network engineers

[elder igloo]

yeah that's probably a better idea than just straight up quitting

[tawdry sable]

what do yall think, idk what to write about my current internship bc i still havent done the major stuff and i feel like its bad talking about things that i havent done yet

[whole flare]

Gained Proficient ?

[true harness]

just because you don't have a senior dev, doesn't mean you can't get anything done. it's more difficult, but not impossible. if you're already set on leaving though, definitely make sure you have something lined up

[tawdry sable]

omg

thank you, you just never read your cv and i had that since the start omg i cant belive the amount of things i got rejected for now

[whole flare]

lol

[tawdry sable]

what about the rest

ik for that virgin money thing im gonna do like spring boot and aure functions but not 100% sure yet so idk what to put except ongoing

[cloud loom]

Yo

[lime salmon]

wo thats great

[peak halo]

!voicemute 1041366872882413632 "2 weeks" Spamming to get your message count up for the voice gate is not allowed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied voice mute to @lime salmon until <t:1724085452:f> (14 days).

[tawdry sable]

whats voice gate

[peak halo]

see #voice-verification

[near ocean]

You can't advertise here in the server

[white relic]

(I think you're missing a word there mar)

[deft herald]

or an apostrophe-t

[white relic]

typos aside, this isn't the place for advertising your services, but if you would like career-related advice or help touching up your resume, feel free to ask

[shy quail]

Guys

After learning python basic what else should I learn to Land
An internship!

[vapid jay]

what internship do you want?

[shy quail]

I'm not sure

What are the things that i shd learn .
I'm a college student
Who is learning!!

[vapid jay]

SQL is always useful

[deft herald]

That looks like the output from an IDE. What are you using to run the program?

oh woops, this is #career-advice . You can open a help channel for this

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[sand patio]

what would the job prospects look like for someone who did an undergrad in math, and them did a masters in CS?

er, rather, would it be hard to get a job in swe?

[smoky quest]

What makes you think it would be hard?

[sand patio]

in comparison to just doing CS in your undergrad, at least.

[smoky quest]

I mean, you went deeper into CS with a master comparing to an undergrad. So why would it compare less to it?

[peak halo]

for SWE positions, my company would consider someone with a masters in CS (and no industry experience) as comparable to someone with a bachelors in CS and 2 or 3 years or industry experience.

[sand patio]

I see

I guess I was looking at it wrong, then.

thanks

[peak halo]

if you're not looking for positions that effectively require a masters, I would argue that the time spent getting a masters is a waste of the money you would have earned in industry during that time.

[fringe sphinx]

Funny, I think I'm the opposite, but it perhaps depends largely on company/roles

[sand patio]

I see, is it feasible to work while doing a masters?

[fringe sphinx]

Yes

[peak halo]

Yes

[smoky quest]

I would consider years of education more valuable than years of experience though

[peak halo]

I was working full-time while pursuing a masters one-course-at-a-time, and it was fine. (I dropped out because the program was absolute horse shit.)

[smoky quest]

It's possible, but it's going to be rather tough

[fringe sphinx]

Why so?

[vapid jay]

I already posted this, but i wanna see what everyone has to say about this. I have someone i know claiming "python is relevant in the point that it inputs other languages and codes together" claiming that is its use case. What are yalls thoughts

[smoky quest]

time management, life getting in the way, making money might distract

[fringe sphinx]

Huh?

[fringe sphinx]

Oh. Yah, life got in the way of my PhD, but I did my masters part time

[smoky quest]

Please, don't cross post across multiple channels

[high coral]

Cython? I mean, python is super relevant is many different fields

[peak halo]

This is the career discussion channel. If you want to talk about the language itself, go to #internals-and-peps

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion is the appropriate place to discuss Python ... or ^

[high coral]

Holy moly Billy changed his pfp again

[vapid jay]

Oop my bad i thought i clicked that one

[fringe sphinx]

The main reason Id recommend doing it while in school is for the accelerated masters programs (4+1)

But if not, I think doing it while working is valid... and many employers will pay for it

[smoky quest]

Sure, if they can handle it. I just would not omit the potential downsides of it

[carmine isle]

If someone mastered python and worked for people and did many projects, what should he learn next
If he wanted to learn another programming language?

[summer roost]

that depends on his career goals

[agile sluice]

yea

[vapid jay]

Hello lads I am 18 years old currently not a uni student just yet. Am very interested in learning python Would like to know what sort of career this can take me towards and What I learn during my time at uni when I do go. Any info and tips help. Cheers --- I am From New Zealand

[fathom wigeon]

Wich career did you choose in your baccaleurate years?

[pine sleet]

are you in the US?

[smoky quest]

It's universal from the people who matter.
From my experience, the people who think industry experience is more valuable has been stated more frequently from inexperienced people

that's proving my point

It's the type of question people without experience would ask and demonstrate it's missing the point

Indeed. Everyone matters and you should feel free to express your opinions

[vapid jay]

New Zealand

[vapid jay]

is this question for me?

[lilac sundial]

Are there any certifications that you 're supposed to do for a swe job

[smoky quest]

Nope. A degree is all you need.
If anything, a degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[lilac sundial]

Alr

Also might as well ask are swe jobs among the highest paying starting salary jobs

[smoky quest]

that will depend on your skill level, your education level, your country, your domain, your luck, your connections, your ability to interview, etc.

[kindred oyster]

salary is good , dont know about "highest paying starting salary" as it will all depend on stuff like what company you join , your country , skill etc etc

[lilac sundial]

1. Does education depend much after masters
2. Wdym by domain exactly

[smoky quest]

Going beyond the masters will mostly matter if you plan to do a phd and get into research.

2. some domains pay more than others

[lilac sundial]

Ok

Dym like frnt end bck end full stack and so on

[smoky quest]

yeah.

Note that if you only do it for the money, you will probably suffer quite a bit and not be as successful as you might imagine

[lilac sundial]

U got any cybersec friends to compare salaries to😅

[vapid jay]

anyones opinion is most appreciated

[fringe sphinx]

Learning programming is useful in many fields, not just Software Engineering. What degree are you thinking about in Uni?

[vapid jay]

not very sure myself truth be told but have gained an interest in python only having just started. Whatever correlates or teaches more python in uni would be my pick to be fair. Just wondering what to expect and where it can take me

[oak spade]

Not to disturb the convo , I'm new to discord I found thison chrome do we talk about cse here ?

[fringe sphinx]

Computer Science is the common degree for software engineers. There's many many specializations and jobs in tech that this opens the door for, almost too much to answer with any specifics.

[fringe sphinx]

We talk about computing careers here, yes

[vapid jay]

And hows the job market? I hear its very oversaturated specially in my country where people struggle to find work.

[oak spade]

Im in highschool and everything about html and booleans law seemed so fun and interesting Im deciding to study CSE hehe

[fringe sphinx]

What country?