career-advice

[true harness]

most college students touch way more than 2 languages in their courses. as a third year student i've written 2 in internships, 2 on my own, and 1 in school. the number of languages really isn't suspicious. (and yeah, the point is to brag)

[brave matrix]

lol it is bragging

but I havent seen any DA jobs that use Go or Rust, 95% are Python or some JVM language like Java, Scala or Kotlin? its sad

[carmine inlet]

it's not the number of languages, it's just because I see Cython

[true harness]

what did you mean by

most juniors probably haven't used Rust, Go and Python, most likely it'll be 1-2 of these (Python and Go more likely), Java perhaps too

[carmine inlet]

well, if someone actually knows Rust, Go and Python and they're are a junior then I'll be impressed and I wouldn't care if I see Cython. But if I see it written there, then I would have quite a few questions like why Cython?

[true harness]

they used it and wanted to tell you that they used it

[carmine inlet]

yes, I think the fact that you claim to know (idk how much you know these) Rust, Go and Python is already impressive

[brave matrix]

ok thanks, can you hire me now?

[true harness]

i don't think there should be that much weight given to the skills section... pretty much every college grad will have at least like 5 different languages listed

[brave matrix]

no way they know 5 straight out of college. maybe the syntax, but thats it

[carmine inlet]

I personally think it's better to list languages and technologies that peeople are comfortable with, not just that they might have used it once for a toy project. Otherwise, listing them with some identification of experince is ok too. E.g. Python (3+ years), Rust (1+ year), etc.

[carmine inlet]

but do they know them well?

[true harness]

i'm up to 5 if you include SQL ¯_(ツ)_/¯ and another like 5 i'd probably be ok with listing on a resume. number of languages truly means nothing

[true harness]

maybe? that's why simply looking at the skills section is not enough information. that's what the rest of the resume is for

[true harness]

sure, me too. so they are comfortable with Cython, they even have it listed above go, rust, and js

[brave matrix]

sure, but you are the exception, not the norm.

[true harness]

i'm barely halfway through college. even if you took the minimum number of CS courses required to graduate, you're still doing java, c, and python

[carmine inlet]

Sure, in that case I'll ask them what they have used Cython for and why. Then I would ask them why didn't they use something like Rust or C++ which would be what is actually used in the industry. I don't think that there would be many arguments for Cython

[brave matrix]

C++ in data engineering?

[carmine inlet]

and that is fine, I'll expect to see Java there, maybe C too. Ofc you probably wouldn't know them well at all but if it's your first job it's ok. But if you have experience then I'll be asking questions. Essentially, always expect many questions when you put something unique on the CV and you should be able to justify it

[carmine inlet]

if you do data stuff, Python is what is good for prototyping. Then you'll use something like C++ or Rust for productionising

And if you are so focused on writing fast Python, then you can just switch from Cpython to Pypy as Pypy is using JIT. However, it is not always a good solution and that's why people write data stuff in Python but when it needs to run fast, then I would write it in something that would be fast

But anyways, that is my personal view, you can ofc put anything there just make sure you can justify it in an interview. Other than that, I think your skills section is good enough and I hope you get the job you want

[brave matrix]

at my job even PyPy was too revolutionary, let alone write some compiled extension in Rust or Go ...
but also PyPy dosent work with some ML libraries (like PyTorch)

[brave matrix]

yeah I would pay to find a DA job that uses Rust, or even Go.

are you a DA?

[carmine inlet]

no. In fintech world for example, people would develop some model prototypes in Python, test them and then when that needs to be made fast, they'll write them in something like C++ or Java, sometimes Rust. You're right, different people do these. If you work in data as something like Data Scientist, then you won't case as much about the performance and would write it in Python anyways

[hybrid vale]

is it really that rare tho? like in college i had to learn c,c++, python, java, and kotlin and for three of these languages they were part of required courses
i feel like if u do internships during summer of college too, u prob would pick up more languages too while doing the internshio

[fringe sphinx]

These conversations are always weird because it's hard to gauge what 'knowing' a language actually means. I think most college grads do a course in 3-5 languages, yet arguably don't "know" any of them at anything beyond a beginner level. All depending on the definitions and individual (averages aren't terribly helpful)

[icy scarab]

When a company reaches $100M annual revenue in July (first time it surpasses the 100 million dollar mark), does that mean my position is safe? No worries about layoffs? Should I ask for a pay bump?

[smoky quest]

Not as much of a hot take as you might think.
I have seen it a few times where someone chills for 2 years but then has issues finding their next jobs because they have nothing to show for

Or hearing things about how startups are like dog years comparing to large companies

[smoky quest]

Nothing is ever safe.
Why would they give you a pay bump?

[icy scarab]

I led the team in several flagship projects. I went without a pay bump the last two years

[smoky quest]

that's a better argument

[vagrant oasis]

"because I'll leave if they don't" is the only answer with teeth

[icy scarab]

Why would my position not be safe? We are hitting our $100M annual revenue and it's not even the end of the year

[smoky quest]

Company will reason in terms of which percentile of the market they target, their runway, their profitability, etc.
I am also sure there are other folks like you that have not gotten in pay bump.

So you could ask if they will review their comp. plan and help to catch up the folks that have fallen behind the curve for their comp.

[smoky quest]

Best time to let go your department to focus on a new AI team

[brazen island]

I never counted the number of languages I "know" mostly because most popular ones are all different spins of the same idea and you can be proficient in a couple of days

[icy scarab]

yes, a lot of us have not seen a pay raise

[icy scarab]

i am leading the AI team

[vagrant oasis]

Any time I ask for a pay raise for one of my employees the question I always have to answer is "what is the minimum increase to retain them?"

[smoky quest]

haha, then you are good to go

[icy scarab]

When the CEO tells you they are looking to get bought by a private equity firm within the end of the year to finance our growth, does this spell layoffs and restructuring?

[smoky quest]

This could mean anything. There are different possible scenario

If you are in the AI side and as critical as you imply, then you may even get some golden handcuff

[brazen island]

Not a hot take 👍

[smoky quest]

tbh, if your company is successful, I am not clear why they would want to be bought by a PE

[icy scarab]

to double, triple, 10x the profits?

[smoky quest]

PE are there to extract value, not create growth. That's what IPOs/VCs are for

Like a PE will create a team in India to build an offshore team. They won't care about innovative solutions

[icy scarab]

CEO said specifically: private equity
he wants to be bought by PE

[smoky quest]

Sure. Hence my confusion. If you learn more about his reasons, I would love to hear about them

[icy scarab]

there's probably some nefarious things going that will screw the workers

[vagrant oasis]

"cash out the CEO" could be a reason

[icy scarab]

CEO gets all the cash, while we get nothing?

[vagrant oasis]

Well, equity holders would get paid

[smoky quest]

the rough scheme is:

• Preferred shares go first
• Rest get split based on equity ownership

But beyond that, there are also bonuses and extra incentives

[icy scarab]

i have 2k in equity. will that mean anything?

our cash bonuses each year was $1000 and $2000 max

[smoky quest]

2k of what? Which country are you in?

[icy scarab]

2K of company equity. USA

[smoky quest]

hmmmm. There is a good news and a bad news

[vagrant oasis]

As in, your equity position is valued at two thousand dollars?

[icy scarab]

yes

[vagrant oasis]

Well, then you could, if your equity is bought out, be paid about two thousand dollars for it (perhaps with a small premium on top)

[smoky quest]

The good news, is the number of shares is relative to the total number of shares (ie. percentage).

The bad news, is the technical term for your situation is that you most likely got fucked since it's common for new companies to start with like 10 millions of shares

Try to figure out your equity percentage and the fair market value.
Also try to figure out if you got options, shares or something else

[icy scarab]

2k in options

[smoky quest]

Also review your equity plan. The standard is a 4 years plan with a year cliff

[icy scarab]

2k in options, 2 year cliff

[smoky quest]

so you still have to pay your options to acquire shares. This means it comes down to the difference between the option price and the current share value.
Note that buying options will trigger a tax event as well

[icy scarab]

do i get rich off this or no?

[vagrant oasis]

Just to be clear, do you know the difference between "you have options on two thousand shares" and "you have options that are currently value at two thousand dollars"?

[smoky quest]

compare the price of options with the current value of the shares

[icy scarab]

no, it's options. i don't have 2k shares

[vagrant oasis]

Never mind

[smoky quest]

I understand that 🙂

If the option cost you 1$/option but the PE firm acquire your shares at 5$/share, that means a 4$/share gain, excluding taxes

[icy scarab]

So it's not a good thing that the CEO tells us we will be bought by private equity?

[smoky quest]

The devil is in the details

[smoky quest]

start by reading https://carta.com/blog/equity-101-stock-option-basics/.

https://www.holloway.com/g/equity-compensation/about is also a good book

[oak shale]

Hi, @inner wren
I'm new here,
Will you assist me in career guidance on data science and Ai.
Explain the different roles and different tech stacks, and also the roadmaps to achieve.
I know you are an app or bot , maybe someone read this chat or you may reply if ai is embedded within you

[wary iron]

Can anyone tell me how to read documentation?

[smoky quest]

You would have more success asking more pointed questions.
As such, you would find far better answers on google

[smoky quest]

I am Sure, there is a documentation about reading documentation: https://how-to.dev/how-to-read-the-documentation

[wary iron]

wth

[oak shale]

Which is best open source docs related to AI/ml/ds/da.

[smoky quest]

See relevant topical channels

[umbral frigate]

#data-science-and-ml 👈 ask here

[wary iron]

Thanks that is helpful. 🙂

[balmy hull]

Hello everyone 👋

[smoky quest]

Definitely, not that you always have that luxury

[fringe sphinx]

My first startup granted me 10k shares. We had an enormous IPO closing at $100 a share (my exercise price was almost nothing). I was a millionaire on paper. But I was locked up for 12 months (not allowed to sell for 12 months post IPO). By the time the lockup expired, the stock market crashed and it was under $1 a share. Your mileage may vary.

[dapper bane]

@turbid bobcat hows ur job search going on ?

I am stuck on my first job cant find second one I have only 6 months of experience now

[crude snow]

How do I design a graphical user interface for an existing Python project?

[dapper bane]

tkinter ?

[crude snow]

any one

[dapper bane]

but this convo belongs to python discussion not here u ll get help faster

[crude snow]

idk know where that is

[dapper bane]

press ctrl + k then type python-discussion

[crude snow]

ohh okay, thanks 🙂

[dapper bane]

man I have been trying to learn all sorts of things AI, pygame and trying to contribute to large codebases

[fringe sphinx]

Why 'stuck'? Whats wrong with the job?

[dapper bane]

theres nothing wrong but the pay is low and when the internship gets over pay will be medicore in the job

damn bro so nice whats the role ?

I knew you could do it congrats

nice nice

I am only targeting python or react native jobs

yeah all roles except AI because I am still learning

react, nodejs too

I am working on some open source projects to get a hang of them and add them to my resume

I am applying alongside working

the foreign startups dont even look at resumes

I have made another contribution at my company that is making a graphing library from scratch using react-native-svg it deals with various stuff like heatmaps etc.

[fringe sphinx]

A little light on projects for a new grad, is my first reaction: a lot of space in Skills that'd be better in Projects.

And a lot of bullets (7) for that first job, which basically just pads out a single job.

[regal axle]

I just got offered 10k shares 👀
No idea if / when they would even IPO. But . I will either be rich or not.
LETS GO GAMBLING!

[fringe sphinx]

I was a junior at the time... as a junior, it's just "extra" and nice to imagine!

[regal axle]

Is there a good tracking software that people use? Or just sheets? I don't need tracking now, just curious

[fringe sphinx]

It was the folks near the end of the careers that quit good jobs to work for that startup that got hurt.

[regal axle]

Yea, for sure. The base salary is enough. So I either win big or lose nothing.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, as a junior, salary comes first. Everything else is extra.

[regal axle]

The south african revenue or the virus?

How do they make money? They have no pricing?

[fringe sphinx]

RSUs seem to be more common in the US nowadays... I've heard of SAR but never seen them. ISOs are what I had.

[regal axle]

||I, oh I know. I was just joking around||

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, most IPOs don't actually happen, so probably didn';t miss much.

[regal axle]

Are the private markets still a thing? I vaguely remember there being something like that. Not really interested in them beyond "how do they even work¿"

[vast agate]

Hlo guys can anyone tell me where can I ask my python issue on this community

??

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion

[vagrant oasis]

I know nobody asked me, but I would not be listing specific vulnerabilities found at a previous employer. As your potential new employer, I wouldn't want my employee publicizing that information. I would keep things more summarized - "Audited XYZ platforms for security vulnerabilities and addressed findings." or some such.

[dapper bane]

wdy guys think ?

[fringe sphinx]

Skills is better. Experience and Project bullets need a lot of work.

[dapper bane]

Theser are all the links```Maze Game Concept → https://needjob-coder.itch.io/mazegameconcept
• Made a clever system of a puzzle game with smooth gameplay
• Made very sophisticated animations using tween

Infinite Runner Top Down → https://needjob-coder.itch.io/infiniterunnerrpgstyle
• Clone of the famous game subway surfers in a 2D fashion

Tomb Of The Mask Clone → https://needjob-coder.itch.io/surviveator
• Clone of the famous game tomb of the mask in retro style ```

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, let's start with the first one. "Made a clever system", "Made very sophisticated"...

If you read that, what would you think?

[dapper bane]

how bout now ```Maze Game Concept → https://needjob-coder.itch.io/mazegameconcept
• Made a system of a puzzle game where the level moves in smaller pieces
• Made animations using tween

Infinite Runner Top Down → https://needjob-coder.itch.io/infiniterunnerrpgstyle
• Clone of the famous game subway surfers in a 2D fashion

Tomb Of The Mask Clone → https://needjob-coder.itch.io/surviveator
• Clone of the famous game tomb of the mask in retro style

[fringe sphinx]

First, grammatically, it isn't correct. Or semantically. I have no idea what that bullet actually means.

And if someone read it, they'd assume your communication skills are weak.

[brazen island]

Something about the CV looks strange from a formatting pov. Like how all the bullets are bold face etc.

[fringe sphinx]

Second: it doesn't tell me anything useful. What language or stack? etc.

[brazen island]

Are you from the states/canada? If so you may be able to keep this template. If you aren't from those two I'd definitely look up what the "standard' is where you are. Where I live having a visually appealing one is definitely recommended

[vagrant oasis]

"Discovered session login vulnerability" "Found visible API keys via reverse engineering."this is useless, tells me nothing, what platform/environment, how does this demonstrate to me a specific skill

"Developed image metadata removal for security." I don't even know what this means, it's not proper grammar, again no indication of platform, scope, impact, etc.

"Worked on Eazebuzz payment API" you "worked on" it? Did you achieve anything? At least you mentioned Django so I have some idea what skill area this is.

etc etc

"very sophisticated animations" if you say something is "very sophisticated", it had better actually be very sophisticated, and you better be able to explain why it's actually a truly exceptional animation. Having opened the game, I can say that it is not.

Subway Surfers and Tomb of the Mask should at least be capitalized. The word "famous" here is not doing anything useful.

"needjob-coder" stinks of desperation and mediocrity. If I go to your profile on itch.io the very first thing I see is you using "shit" in a comment to describe your work.

[dapper bane]

I am modifying stuff

[dense mesa]

Private markets are larger and becoming ever larger. You don't need an IPO to get liquidity from a startup, secondary sales are a thing

[fringe sphinx]

I generally ascribe zero value to private shares (for low level employees)... seen way too many people get screwed over by recaps and stuff like that. Or, sales where the class A's get all the $$

THe investors taking their money out first tends to be the worst. Just absolutely toxic.

[dense mesa]

This used to be more common but a VC that does that now is basically signing their own downfall. If the startup is doing alright, there's always ways to extract liquidity

[fringe sphinx]

You think? I have no idea on current practices, but assume VCs are still insisting on preference.

[dense mesa]

VC having a liquidation preference doesn't necessarily mean the employees can't liquidate early, provided the VC gets the same option to do so

[fringe sphinx]

I haven't seen that in my universe... the system still seems stacked against employees.

[dense mesa]

London VC be popping off

[fringe sphinx]

I do like London. One of those cities I'd love to live for a year or two.

[white relic]

I ought to understand more about startup equity and VC than I do

how does one learn without becoming a cautionary tale?

[regal axle]

Meeting and talking with VCs. :p

[fringe sphinx]

For about 10 years, I did a lot of tech due diligence for VCs (a side gig), so a lot rubbed off.

but, I also worked on both sides... for startups + for big tech... and in big tech, also was involved in some M&A diligence.

Silicon Valley (tv show) is remarkably accurate.

[white relic]

I still need to watch that, guess I'll move it to the top of the list

[gritty rivet]

I feel like it's impossible to work at a startup for very long and not learn a lot about it, at least if you come in knowing zero like I did. It feels like I'm being told about it almost daily.

[white relic]

I've never actually worked at a startup

there's some discussion about spinning off a part of my current company though

[dense mesa]

Go to events in the nearest city to you, talk to founders, operators and investors. Get a perspective from all the different sides and why they do the things they do

I wouldn't recommend working in a startup to try and create wealth, unless it's your own and you have an exceptional network of talent and capital providers (fools, friends, familys, VCs, etc)

[white relic]

yeah, it's more something I need to know about for risk management, not to get uber rich

but I mean, if the opportunity comes along to get uber rich, I wouldn't want to squander that either

[dense mesa]

Risk management in terms of potentially joining a startup?

I am biased but after considerable research across many domains, angel investing seemed to be the most reasonable way to create wealth without risking excess time, money or mental health. It's pretty fun

[tidal bear]

Hi

[regal axle]

I love being a tax filling edge case. Yay.
I am moving states but will start before I have a new address

[hybrid vale]

looks too vague imo, u should follow xyz format if possible

[vapid jay]

i can guess whats written in the education

sigh idek why i say that

[full sorrel]

@native bolt hi are you developer ?

[native bolt]

maybe

[vapid jay]

🫠

why is there a 20 second slowdown

[white relic]

because anything that is worth saying about your career is worth taking 20 seconds for

[vapid jay]

i thought it was discussion, misread it.

[native bolt]

yes but not a good one

[vapid jay]

btw where can i ask what ci cd is

[white relic]

one of the off-topic channels

[full sorrel]

okay @native bolt im going to start coding could you be a good mate of mine ? i can gain the experience from you

[native bolt]

im 14 tho

[white relic]

this channel is for career discussion

[full sorrel]

ok ok mb sorry

[full sorrel]

oh ok ok i thought your a experienced persn

if you dont mind can we move to offtopic channel ? @native bolt

[regal axle]

Right yea. That isn't so bad

Just went through my insurance stuff. 👀
I really really hope that my address situation doesn't cuase things to get ugly 🙏

[fringe sphinx]

Are you living in the location, but without a permanent address?

[visual flax]

how often should I practice data structures. Or rather how important is it that I master it?

[peak halo]

if you know enough to get an A in an DSA course, you should be good. it shouldn't be a high-stakes grind.

[visual flax]

so I don't need to committ two hours everyday for six months?

[regal axle]

I am going to live in a hotel :D

[peak halo]

where did you get the idea that you had to?

[visual flax]

idk chatgpt?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm not accountant, but residency is not determined by your address but by where you live.

[regal axle]

Right yea. But I don't have a permanent address to provide. And so it messes things up

[near ocean]

Maybe dont take advice from a chat bot

[fringe sphinx]

NYC is notorious for going after people who try to use out of state homes as their permanent residence, but spend most of their time in NYC

To the point where they look at where your pets live.

[visual flax]

they have too most people are living in philadelphia nowadays

[fringe sphinx]

No joke: https://nypost.com/2024/04/19/business/new-york-auditors-crack-down-on-out-of-state-residents-avoiding-tax/. "New York State auditors monitor everything from people’s travel schedules to the locations of their pets in order to prove that they owe taxes even if they have residency out of state, according to a report.

"

[visual flax]

Migration from nyc to philadelphia is massive.

[regal axle]

Good thing I am definietly not moving to NYC or anything like that

Oh yea. The tax diff between current state and state I am going to, is massive

[visual flax]

\Philadelphia is a great alternate version of nyc if you like the city. lower population and way more breathable

[regal axle]

That isn't how this works. I am moving for the company. Not becuase I want to move to ||city||

[soft fjord]

hi guys I just joined here, I am looking for a Selenium guy, who can work with us for any code, I pay by bitcoin, who is free to work and has selenium python intelegence and can code with chatgpt or without it.

[regal axle]

The thing is, I won't have a place to actually live until like september. At best it will be mid aug. But at worst, like a week into sep ...

I am not trying to

[gritty rivet]

This sounds like a non-issue. If you have to fill out paperwork right now with your address of residence, you put your current address of residence. As soon as you have a new address of residence you notify your employer.

[gritty rivet]

People move states all the time. You have to file in both states for this year but it's not a big deal

[regal axle]

Yea. That is the plan.
I am just a strange edge case. Idk how tax will work. Do I pay the place I am moving to; or the place I am now? This isn't my problem. But it is strange.
These are all automated systems. Welp,,, time to get an accountant

[true harness]

you should see if the company can help you with that. surely they have tax people to deal with this

[regal axle]

They do not. They have a different company handle that stuff.

[gritty rivet]

Get an accountant if it makes you more comfortable, but any basic tax prep software can handle a move between states

[regal axle]

It is the in between that is the issue. I will live in CityA but my address is blank. But you can't provide no address. So it is CityB. There is no simple software that handles that. Not that I know of

[gritty rivet]

Are you talking about when you file taxes or are you trying to submit a W-4 right now?

[regal axle]

I am submitting the W-4.
And also yea, where do my taxes get withheld.
Becuase I also get a signing bonus. And it becomes worthless if it is going to be double taxed.

[lethal night]

Is this correct

[fringe sphinx]

Uh, a screenshot of handwriting?

[regal axle]

Wrong channel. #❓｜how-to-get-help
Also, please type this out ...

[fringe sphinx]

Your federal taxes won't be double taxed. And, state taxes aren't (as far as I know) double taxed. Just keep a paper trail to show your residency in new state, even if it's paying hotel/etc.

(I am not an accountant nor your accountant)

[gritty rivet]

You won't be double taxed.

Like I said, you can fill out your W-4 based on whatever address you are currently residing at. You update your employer as soon as you have a new address. When it comes time to file taxes, you report whatever is on your W-2s. If they report your bonus to the old state, that's where it will be taxed

[deft herald]

If anything you'd have to file part-time residency in both states

But yea regardless of your W-4, you still calculate the correct amount of everything at tax filing time. W4 just determines the witholdings throughout the year

[white relic]

I did the partial residency thing last time I moved. (I always prepare my own taxes) Not a big deal. You never get double taxed on anything if you do it right.

[deft herald]

I mean you get double taxed in the sense that you pay both fed and state taxes

[white relic]

Income taxes in the US can be complex, but it's all quite logical, in that everything makes sense from a certain point of view

[white relic]

well, because you're enjoying both state and federal services

[deft herald]

indeed

[white relic]

and state taxes are deducted from your federal taxable income (in the year you pay them)

currently I live in a state with no income tax so that's nice

[fringe sphinx]

Except for all the other taxes that state certainly has 🙂 tanstaafl

[ruby dust]

I’m sorry are you coding in cursive handwriting??

[lethal night]

Yes

[ruby dust]

Honestly, props.

[white relic]

Yeah, I mean, we pay a lot in tolls... and insurance... so...

[ruby dust]

Lucky. My state has us pay income AND a lot in tolls.

[deft herald]

We don't have many tolls here but property tax is fun

[white relic]

Florida is a unique state in a lot of ways. But I gotta admit I don't miss filing state income taxes.

[ruby dust]

I’m in New York lol. everyone here is going to your state, and everyone there is coming here.

It’s too expensive here, hopefully once I get my degree and find a good company, I can go somewhere cheaper but nicer.

[regal axle]

Florida is not a cheap place to live. Well actually areas of it. All the wealthy people from other states move to Florida, driving up the cost of living.
Basically, no matter what state you live in, you will get screwed one way or another.

[obsidian matrix]

Hey everyone, i just got into a course of Data Science and A.I and i'm planing on looking for an intership asap, for those who work in the area, what do you guys think are the essencials for me to learn before start applying?

[frosty moon]

Can anyone her tell me about web scrapping

[mortal kite]

So a company I got past 2nd round with said they’ll let me know by today, and I know they”re in the same time zone. Do they mean by 6pm or by midnight? Is leaving people in suspense a common practice?

[smoky quest]

could mean either way. Closer to 6pm than midnight though, or else it would signal a bad culture

[mortal kite]

I know SREs are supposed to be all hours, but damn

[pine sleet]

🤔 what do you mean exactly

[peak halo]

When you say "course", is this a degree-awarding experience at a university?

Do you mind also saying your country?

Because "course" means different things in different varieties of English.

In american English, you would say "you have to take courses in a CS program in college to get a degree". And Brits would say *you have to take modules in a CS course at university to get a degree".

I think.

@woven sage for your awareness, there was nothing wrong with your message.

[cunning jewel]

Is anyone open to helping me in the help forum for my text-based game dev issues?

[peak halo]

Please do not cross post your question in discussion channels.

[cunning jewel]

alright

[fringe sphinx]

Eh, people say all sorts of stuff but don't stay awake thinking about it.
Maybe today, maybe tomorrow. What it means is: ask them tomorrow if you haven't heard from them and don't stress it

[gritty rivet]

Is leaving people in suspense a common practice?

LOL, you must be new to job hunting? Yes, it's is common practice. Best to just keep working on more applications and not holding your breath for anybody, but it's more then fine to check in if if the deadline passes. You definitely do not want to be counting the hours waiting for some offer... Getting ghosted is horribly common.

[obsidian matrix]

Yes, i have 10 months to find an internship

[obsidian matrix]

I'm from Brazil

[languid gust]

Guys

Do i need object oriented programming for machine learning

[fringe sphinx]

Ask over in #python-discussion plz

[outer rivet]

They called me back and scheduled an interview the me 😳

Does anyone know the best resource for learning cloud computing?

[fringe sphinx]

That's pretty broad topic. AWS and Azure both have certification courses.

Anything specific?

[delicate swift]

I've been seriously thinking of picking up an AWS certification - both as resume fodder and experience.
A lot of ads seem to want it for anything half significant, specially S3, EC2, and the database businesses.

However, I don't have much idea of what's actually taken seriously by the industry - except perhaps the official courses, but these are pretty damn expensive, and I don't have a looot of cash to spare right now.

[fringe sphinx]

AWS certs are considered fairly highly, but they're really useful if you're in devops or support or other adjacent roles... for pure SWEs, I'm not sure how useful they are.

[pale marten]

is Computer Science more about coding or more abouth math

[peak halo]

Pure computer science is only about math, but a computer science degree will involve coding and prepare you for a career as a software developer

[pale marten]

I Don't like math, is software engineering a good degree?

[delicate swift]

I've been entertaining the idea of learning on my own, and just take the exam from there - but I don't have the money or social security net to casually drop a few hundred bucks on resources to mess around.

[peak halo]

You will probably need to take math courses regardless. I would encourage you to cultivate a positive attitude about math.

[delicate swift]

Which kinda sucks, ngl.
I'll stick to theorics.

[peak halo]

Math is like the source code of reality. You can embrace it while acknowledging that math lectures are boring and math exams are stressful.

[fringe sphinx]

If you don't have an open mind towards learning, software engineering is not a good degree.

[pale marten]

ofc i have open mind about learning

[peak halo]

Or, well, any degree.

But I would replace "open mind" with "positive attitude"

[pale marten]

i don't know how to like math

im just so mid at math

[peak halo]

This is negative self talk

[pale marten]

But ya know, this year finna be different, new school, fresh start, ima level up, get fire grades

[outer rivet]

AWS, I guess. I have some vague understanding of it from a crappy company-internal course I took last year (mainly so that I can put AWS on my resume).

[outer rivet]

Agreed. A big problem, I feel, is just the scope of things we apparently need to know, all the lingo we have to keep track of, and where I, as a developer, fit into all of it.

[delicate swift]

I'm sort of aware where I should be; there's a bunch of AWS services dedicated purely to DE activities, but there's just a bunch of things to go through first.

And those are expensive and I'm living practically paycheck to paycheck, so hey. Can't afford to sink money on something that won't return my investment.

[fringe sphinx]

Learning how to launch an EC2 instance, write to S3, and run a lambda is worthwhile, imo. Getting a cert? Less so, and it probably won't sink in unless it's part of your job

[delicate swift]

I intend on eventually moving into a data engineering role when I'm solidified as a SWE

Reckon it would be useful? I'm much aware that it's a very significant chunk of the job to interact with cloud resources such as data warehouses and lakes, pipelines, etc. along with other tools (mostly Apache), and if helps me go anywhere that direction, I'm all for it

[obtuse root]

is it hard to find a job as a cs major?

[pine sleet]

many people are having trouble but if you're a talented, hardworking engineer you should be fine

be active, don't settle for just going to classes. do personal projects on the side, contribute to open source, participate in hackathons, apply for internship positions, are all things you can do to improve your chances

[lilac sundial]

What roadmap should i follow if i want a good swe job

Also do multiple languages help/ is learning them mandatory

[smoky quest]

A CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation.

In the mean time:

• Make sure you have good grades so you can go into the school of your choice
• Build things and have fun! Try different things too!

[lilac sundial]

Im at the level where i can pass entrance exams n stuff

I can solve questions like check if its an olympic array , print this pattern etc etc

So what would be the next step? Currently im delving into hackerrank and seeing what are some basic projects i can try and do

[smoky quest]

!kin has project ideas

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[lilac sundial]

Should i just start getting deep into building projects now?

[smoky quest]

It's up to you

[lilac sundial]

Also this question is a bit weird but if i wanted to career swap to cybersec like midway through being a dev would it be easy/possible with the amount of knowlegde id have in pyth/java

Or is that a whole other domain

[smoky quest]

It's close enough it's doable, assuming you build the relevant experience and skills

[lilac sundial]

Mhmm

I have about 1 yr left for my undergrad to get finished and another 2 for my masters plus some mo time in bw it all , so would that be enough to land me a top tier position

[smoky quest]

plenty of time.

Make sure you have good grades, great projects and awesome internships. Basically max out your college

[lilac sundial]

How do i get awesome internships , like placements? Or do i just go apply myself

[smoky quest]

yep. You have to find them and apply

[lilac sundial]

Is it important to do something insane during my internship as compared to getting an iship in a big company

[smoky quest]

no one is asking you to do something insane

[lilac sundial]

My cuz worked in fang

Apparently he got a job there as a fresher out of uni

Is that thing?

[smoky quest]

sure. They do hire all the time

[lilac sundial]

Are the interviews insanely hard as frick

[smoky quest]

if you have good grades, great projects and awesome internships, then it's easier than if you don't

[lilac sundial]

Alr

[smoky quest]

no pain no gain 😉

[lilac sundial]

Im majoring in cs in my undergrad , wb masters ? Should i do anyth specific

[smoky quest]

It depends on what's available and your career goals

[lilac sundial]

Alr then

[smoky quest]

If you don't know, then it's a good time for you to explore the field and what are the different areas 🙂
Try them, see how you like them and the type of jobs

[lilac sundial]

Well my goal is hopefully a dev at fang or a somewhat decent job at best as a swe

If not then probly cybersec

[smoky quest]

that represents literally dozens of thousands of engineers and probably thousands of different jobs

[lilac sundial]

O

[smoky quest]

yeah, so that goes from the person working on the frontend for youtube, to the person working quantum research or the person writing code for the linux kernel on android

[pine sleet]

faang hires a lot of people, it's not as big of a "flex" as people think it is

you don't even have to be good at programming to get hired there

[lilac sundial]

👀

Do they only hire harvard grads etc

Well the 2nd one yeah

But a celeb earns mills and a fang swe earns mills after like 8 yrs of grinding iirc

But u do have the right idea

Least if i aim high i might end up at the least a few paces away

Cant argue with that

3million cvs a yr apparently everybody tryna clutch

[smoky quest]

you can't have the top percent when you literally have tens of thousands of engineers as employees

[smoky quest]

you absolutely can argue with that as that description was just uninformed bullshit

[lilac sundial]

What u mean the unifyfifty guy
Ok

[drifting pawn]

no?

[smoky quest]

Based on a quick search, Google has ~27k engineers. That's just google.
That is huge

[drifting pawn]

they hand out like 200 undergraduate computer science degrees a year or something

[whole flare]

what would you class as huge?

[smoky quest]

are you saying google is a small company?

I don't know any cathy newman at google

[harsh river]

a lot do

half of the people who come in here want a job at FAANG

therein lies the problem.

[smoky quest]

not really

In some countries without an education system and a high corruption index, potentially, but not in USA/EU

not at all

that doesn't mean they were wrong

[whole flare]

What does your resume look like?

[lilac sundial]

Dyk arabic

[pine sleet]

you're making... 10k/yr in the US?

are you going for remote SWE jobs? are you a junior?

so you are a junior. thats kind of a risk for companies to take

[smoky quest]

Either way, the resume would show they are strong, not just claim it

Why not sharing an anonymized version of your resume for feedback?
0 replies for 600 applications tells me there is something funky with the resume

I am old and forgetful. Please entertain me

[pine sleet]

but did you actually?

[harsh river]

hm, is it due to health reasons? are you receiving benefits?

i'm asking because if you get benefits or any support from the gov and you start earnin more then you might (most likely will) lose those benefits

[narrow thistle]

I am new in python, where can I ask my problem?

[harsh river]

#python-discussion

[sand horizon]

for those that live in the EU (including UK), I am interested in doing a masters in data science and/or machine learning. There are lots of programmes that offer the same thing basically, i just dont know if the level of prestige helps or not in the long run - Meaning, will they set me up for financial literacy ? How good is the ROI. this is an open discussion just to get a feel of what the norm believes.

any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

[near ocean]

The UK is irrationally in love with their own silly ivy league, its crazy
If you study in the UK especially you want to get into the best uni you can
They all cost the same anyway

[vapid jay]

I doubt the worth of US prestige though. I doubt its worth the cost

[near ocean]

Hunter Bond job ads
I hate them with a burning passion

Theres a couple recruitment agencies that ask for red brick degrees
Theres also a couple that say "just message us, we'll figure it out together"
Neither's good

[tidal bear]

Hi

[lilac sundial]

Whats a red brick degree

[tidal bear]

I m beginner to this discord 🫡

[near ocean]

The UK ivy league

[lilac sundial]

Whew

[near ocean]

💀💀💀
Who are they recruiting for? Citadel? HRT?

[sand horizon]

ucl seems to be a good option, as it is ranked 9th and theres a possibility for the part time program Data science program

[near ocean]

UCL, Imperial both great options in london if you can get in

[sand horizon]

do you have any idea of the gmat requirements ? i think this is a stong indicator of wether youll get accepted or not since its standardized

no one knows how hard or not my bachelor was

why reach a consensus on my gpa ...

[near ocean]

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/study/apply/postgraduate-taught/entry-requirements/accepted-qualifications/

You need a BSc with good grades it seems

You should contact their admissions team for more details

[sand horizon]

imperial has very specific programs that do not cut it for me. it has thing like data science in transportatio, or ds in social sciences. there's nothing more general

[sand horizon]

tried this last year, they seemed very rude. they just sent me links of the website

[near ocean]

😔 admin people are the same everywhere lol

[sand horizon]

i have a 74% gpa

[near ocean]

Because big number good at getting clicks

[sand horizon]

seems like its a upper 2:1 , well enough for the more prestigious UNIES ? coupled with a high gmat

[near ocean]

this one isnt so bad with spamming, theres another recruitment company called Noir that is absolutely nightmarish with their posts, to the point where they take up entire search pages for a single job ad posted multiple times with different locations

i wish i could ban them off linkedin and possibly torch down their offices, but alas

[lapis wind]

I wish you could just do like on YT with a "Dont show my this company/account again"

[near ocean]

Yea theres no way to block a company from the job search page

[twilit portal]

I wonder if you could make a browser extension that blocks a specific company if it spams like that

[cunning adder]

Hello everyone, I hope you're all doing well. I am new to Discord and excited to be a part of this community.

[regal axle]

This looks like a failure of linkedin more than the company.
But yea, most job sites I go through, have a way to block the company. Some even let you time them out. IE "don't show me this for another 30 days"

[lilac sundial]

Should i focus on one big language like java , python or multiple

[fringe sphinx]

Pick one and get 'good'. Then, ask 'what should I learn next'

[lilac sundial]

Alr

[eager barn]

Hello guy, any links in Germany for a python developer or data engineer?

[dusk raven]

Hello guys, newbie here I just started learning python (done with the basics) I want to what are the career options I would get choosing python as my primary language, also which one are in demand right now (If I'd to step into the corporate world in the next 1 or 1.5 years), also If i choose data science as it very popular around here as a career option, what should be my aim in learning to achieve regarding python like dsa, oops, etc. (major question) ??

[near ocean]

The easiest and fastest way to find this info out is to open linkedin and search for python jobs in your area and see what they ask for

[cobalt moat]

What would it look like to be hired as a contractor for software engineering?

[deft herald]

What would it look like? In terms of what?

[fringe sphinx]

There are -many- types of contractor arrangements too. Ranging from hourly consultants to agencies who contract people to other companies.

[hearty totem]

I'll make the opposite argument. Getting in is easy getting through is harder. Are you yourself confident that you can get the maths for DS. E.g. multidim calculus for partial derivation. No one is going to explain it in the course. We just don't have the time to do the math background on the course itself, that's why it is a requirement. Context: I did teach ML at UCL, now I have moved to another London uni.

This is not to put you off. All of the math needed can be self-taught in 2-3months. But I wanna keep your expectations correct. The getting in part is reasonably easy, if you are confident you more or less know the idea behind simple gradient descent you will have no problems getting in. Yet, there will be a few pieces of more interesting math here and there.

[near ocean]

Mid 90s graduation rate for their masters compared to their acceptance rate kind of proves its harder to get in than through

[stray vortex]

hi i have poseted a qeury attt he python help pls check it out

[fringe sphinx]

You should ask in #python-discussion

[lethal night]

Hiii

[woven sage]

what? This channel is for discussion lol, not memes. #ot0-psvm’s-eternal-disapproval

[woven sage]

Well most of the requirements would be well, in the contract. You could have more "freedom" as opposed to a traditional employee

It kind of depends on the contract tbh

[pine sleet]

huh? they were asking for a resume for review how is that off topic

[near ocean]

Could also have less freedom, could have no PTO, no pension payments, more admin, doing your own taxes, etc

[woven sage]

what?

[woven sage]

true

I think its really just dependant on the person's preferences if they want to be a contractor or not

[smoky quest]

like any career related decision

[woven sage]

yep

im very excited to get into freelancing lately

lots of preperation to do

i know this guy who could do like login functionality on his website, i didnt even know you could do that if you didnt have the same resources as that of a company

i might want to do backend stuff in the future if its that accessible tbh

[woven sage]

Also, I'd prefer you not ping me, thank you

[lapis wind]

Okay, so this may sound harsh. But, I think if that is a suprise to you or something that you didn't already know, you are probably not current cut out to do contracting work

[woven sage]

Lol

[smoky quest]

No reason to be so hostile

[lapis wind]

I think in general, if you are even remotely close to Junior or even mid level, trying to get into things as a contractor is going to be a hellish experience

[smoky quest]

If you do not know how to implement it, there are services you can leverage for these

[hearty totem]

I do not disagree. Pass rates are almost enforced. And I did a massive rant here before over how often students pass despite the fact that it would be better for them to fail them, so I'll not repeat that. The question is: do you learn something useful from the MSc or not. Or do you just purchase a very expensive piece of paper. Again, this is not to discourage OP. I just keep arguing that what you get out of a grad course in the UK is what you yourself add into ut. The pass rates are inflated, but there is very little hand holding. And I feel bad for students that spent a lot of money just to be handed some paper at the end while they were clueless during the course, mostly because they expected something very different at the outset

[lapis wind]

We love the current state of UK unis, fucking abysmal state of education rn

[near ocean]

It doesnt matter tbh, most students graduating from these unis know what theyre doing and even if they didnt, the paper is such great door opener you dont even need to know your stuff in the first place

(and since OP is asking here about unis i imagine they'll be clued in on learning things on the side)

[marble vortex]

What's up guys 👋
So to keep it short I’ve been leading front-end projects in a US company mainly React and React Native late 2021-present, but I'm starting to find it repetitive and uninspiring.
Before this, I spent six years with algorithmic trading in Pine Script and Python.

How hard is it to land an internship at a Python-focused company?

[near ocean]

Why would you want an internship if you have years of experience writing code and leading people?

Internships are usually reserved for students, you will probably struggle

[marble vortex]

You have years of experience writing code and leading people?
My experience leading people is in FE work, I'm transitioning away from FE, it doesn't have the depth of knowledge i'm seeking. It won't be fair to go back to python and expect to be a lead there, would it?

Internships are usually reserved for students, you will probably struggle
Well i'm not expecting anything in return is what i'm trrying to say

i already have a job paying well i need experience

[woven sage]

Could you please point out where I was hostile in that statement? I used polite language and kindly requested to not be pinged?

[near ocean]

Not lead but internships are way back
You could try landing a mid or senior level role, js and python are basically the same thing

[deft herald]

Honestly, it might carry over.

And yeah, like old man said, you don't want to sell yourself short.

[woven sage]

All I am asking is that you respect my wishes? lol

If you cant or dont want to do that, thats gonna be a problem unfortunately

[deft herald]

specific language doesn't matter, actual workplace experience in a relevant field does

[tardy beacon]

hey guys i wanna be a software engineer, like someone that is doing machine learfning and creating ai

[fringe sphinx]

Pings are how discord works. You post a message, you get a response. Not sure what you expect?

[graceful owl]

if you really don't like the pings, just mute the server

[tardy beacon]

im learning python right now in grade 10, can you gusy assist me in the best ocoureses and places to learn python? im a beginner still.

[woven sage]

Uhm, having the option to disable pings when you click reply on a message is also how discord works...

Im not sure why discord would otherwise implement such a feature

[marble vortex]

The thing is that i don't have time to keep searching and interviewing i'd rather cut to the chase get unpaid hands on experience, then apply or get promoted once i gain some python experience back

[fringe sphinx]

You're asking ppl to do extra things to accommodate you

[woven sage]

Yes... whats wrong with that?

Its really not that hard to just click disable ping I dont think

[regal axle]

Personalizing your notifications to your very needs, is also how discord works. And the preferred way of doing it.

[graceful owl]

why not just mute the entire server?

[woven sage]

Exactly, thank you, I dont understand why people cannot just click disable ping

[deft herald]

Internships, as was mentioned, typically have a hard requirement for "currently enrolled in a degree program". It is not in a company's best interest to hire someone overqualified for a particular job

[woven sage]

Does this server have a reporting system or some such?

I feel very uncomfortable

[fringe sphinx]

You can DM modmail.

[regal axle]

Companies don’t look at it like that. First off, internships are not free labor in this industry. I got paid close to 30k from my internship (3 months). (Yes, it’s on the higher end. But point still stands).
And also, python is easier to learn than just having programming experience. So you can find a company that values your general experience and is willing to work with you to learn more. It’s not necessarily as easy a find. But bonus points; you know that the company will be a good company if they think like this

[marble vortex]

I mean I could just leetcode to refresh my memory but I was thinking maybe hands-on experience is a faster path to getting back on track with python, I don't have the time/energy for a toy project that's the whole story

[woven sage]

Im just really confused because dont lots of moderators and users specifically refuse pinging as well?

[fringe sphinx]

Please dm modmail to discuss. This entire discussion is offtopic

[marble vortex]

Good point, I agree. the thing is that I wanted to get paid in experience rather than $$ because i'm not gonna stick around unless it's a good company

[woven sage]

Well, you did choose to argue here as well lol

anyway

[fringe sphinx]

I am also a mod. Please drop it and dm modmail.

[regal axle]

Hmmm. Maybe a freelance contract is what you are looking for. It’s more short term. And clear length boundaries

[woven sage]

Please drop the subject, I have said anyway, which means move on.

[deft herald]

You already have experience though. The only think you're lacking is specific knowledge in python, which is easily attainable for someone with your level of experience

[fringe sphinx]

Best bet is to leverage your experience to pivot, rather than try to ignore/not leverage it

[woven sage]

not really

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe look for contributing or joining an OSS project, that might be a good way to build experience

[marble vortex]

That's a solid idea, it totally skipped my mind for some reason

[deft herald]

elaborate?

[marble vortex]

Any recommendations for a good OSS

[woven sage]

Hold I am trying to remember the word for it

[fringe sphinx]

There's lots of projects, big and small. Maybe pick something you use? Or, watch the lightning talks at PyCon or Europython and look for a small project that's interesting?

[marble vortex]

Sounds like a plan, If any of you have personal OSS project i'm more than happy to help let me know

[deft herald]

Since you have experience in FE already, you could contribute some of the major python backend projects like Django
https://docs.djangoproject.com/en/5.0/intro/contributing/

[lapis wind]

Okay, just for the record though, dont randomly look for github projects to contribute to, find a project you actually are using and like and contribute to that

[regal axle]

This is very circular.
There are tons of great ones. But one you use is the best one. Contributing for the sake of contributing is … hard. But still doable.

[faint depot]

Finally got an interview with one of the companies I applied to for an apprenticeship (engineering). Its next week on monday. Gonna do a lot of research, complete my current project Im doing and hopefully be prepared for the interview

[lapis wind]

Watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nY_cy8zcO4 as a general overview to why you shouldn't being trying to do OSS for the sake of doing OSS to get a job

[reef marsh]

is the n word a slur or no

[woven sage]

I typically dont trust youtube videos ngl

[lapis wind]

Good for you I guess?

[woven sage]

I think contributing to open source is great, its helpful and lots of people should do it

[fringe sphinx]

I'll just warn you once: don't troll on this server, and mind the channel topics.

[reef marsh]

I’m being fr

[fringe sphinx]

Me too.

[lapis wind]

Sure, but please don't randomly pick a project and go "I have never used this thing but Im going to try work on it"

[regal axle]

You didn’t watch the video. And it shows. Theo says the same thing. Just also makes it clear why not to contribute/ when not to.

[reef marsh]

Ye me too.

[analog sun]

Yes it is a slur.

[reef marsh]

ye forgot mb

[lapis wind]

because what happens is people write bad code, they take up people's time, or they make useless changes. By all means to OSS, but do it to something that you actively use and have an interest in. Watch the video :)

[woven sage]

Well as I said I typically dont get my information from youtube videos

[marble vortex]

Dude, the python community is just lovely ❤️
I'm most likely gonna dig into django, i've been reading there docs pretty solid stuff compared to next.js

[fringe sphinx]

I should have also said; contributing is more than code. It's testing, triaging, engaging in discussions, etc.

[woven sage]

Lots of helpful people here, its awesome

[marble vortex]

You guys are awsome as well, thanks a lot for you guys' time

[flint kite]

Hi everyone. Just made a text editor with tkinter/pygments for my capstone project. After about a week of shoving all functionality into the gui class I realized I should have used an MVC approach. If I were to use this project in my portfolio/resume, should I refactor it into EditorController, EditorGUI, and Editor classes? It's not terribly complex.

[deft herald]

It wouldn't hurt to show that at the very least, you cared enough about the project to make it better on your own time. So go for it

[wind cedar]

should i have clubs on my linkedin profile within the education section, when recruiting for faang swe intern? i dont have any clubs on my resume

[pine sleet]

were you a club president or have some other leadership role?

[smoky quest]

Where is the problem?

[pine sleet]

(they are no longer in the server)

[smoky quest]

Oh just catching up. Thanks

[wind cedar]

i was, but i feel like thats old experience since i already had those on my resume when applying for swe intern, thats why i dont wanna include it anymore

[smoky quest]

It all depends on the skills you want to demonstrate.
If you want to demonstrate architecture related skills, then spending more points on it could be useful

[smoky quest]

I don't think it will have a meaningful impact in terms of interviews. So it's up to you

[wind cedar]

i dont it will have a meaningful impact in terms of getting interviews as well, thats why im thinking of removing it from my education section on my linkedin profile, and removing it from my resume

whats going to make up the majority of my resume and linkedin profile would be projects, experience, skills, and education

does that sound good?

[copper ledge]

Would someone be able to critique my resume? Thank you.

[fringe sphinx]

Passed my sniff test: resume structured well and nothing glaringly bad. Skills seems a little light... perhaps too honest, but I respect it for not padding with nonsense you don't really know.

[fringe sphinx]

Would suggest some git, testing, ci/cd work in the next project you do

GitHub links to projects would be nice

[regal axle]

Small nit, is there a real reason why you have two undergrad RA slots? I get that they are "different" but it really is all the same. You should probably put them together as one.
If it was different labs, you might be able to add some distinction about what lab it is, as your divider. And not the tutor position as your divider

Overall, this is pretty good. No major notes.
You don't have a ton of experience, but that is also on par for your current level. So 👍

[copper ledge]

Sounds good, thank you

[fringe sphinx]

Also you don't need three decimal places for gpa 🙂

[copper ledge]

One lab was during the school year and the other was this summer in my hometown university. In the blacked out space I have each lab name, do you think that separates them enough? Also, thank you for taking a look.

[copper ledge]

Should I do 2 or 1 decimal places?

[regal axle]

2 is good. Whatever rounds up in your favor 😉 (but don't lie)

[regal axle]

that is a bit of a situation. Well ,,, I would try to distinguish them a little more. Maybe different titles for each location. Although that is also a little hard. Well; no perfect solution. You can play around with it and see what you like. (or send here and see what we like)

[copper ledge]

Got it, thank you so much

[true harness]

when i had a 3.89 i used 1 decimal point 😌 (but now i use 2 📈 )

[regal axle]

I used 3 for academic applications. But besides that, yea 2 or 1

[onyx spade]

@sleek charm im not in uk

[sleek charm]

Which European country

Damn cool

[onyx spade]

eh not really

this probs more something for off topic

[flint kite]

Thank you @smoky quest , @deft herald

[outer rivet]

Hey, I have an interview in 20 days and the recruiter sent me a guide for the "system design" interview, sending me this link: https://github.com/mutablealligator/system-design-primer#system-design-topics-start-here
To those who know system design, does anyone know if this is actually a good guide, or know of a better one?

[regal axle]

At a very quick glance, it seems fine. It at least has a lot of topics. I say that it is easier to stick to one resource vs jumping around a ton. But like ,,, any should be fine.
Depending on the recruiter and what they know, they might have inside info to know that this is the resource. But I have 0 clue who this recruiter is.

[crisp stream]

that's an outdated fork of https://github.com/donnemartin/system-design-primer, which is a very popular… system design primer

[pine sleet]

how did you tell that its a system design primer

[crisp stream]

my genius sometimes frightens me

[faint depot]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-sometimes-my-genius-almost-frightening-driving-car-ride-gif-16463163

[green burrow]

Can i post a freelance gig here?

[azure heart]

Sorry, we don't allow any form of advertising

[green burrow]

No not advertisement i want to hire a python dev for a freelance project i have.

[azure heart]

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[green burrow]

Understood.

[dapper bane]

is a water shader good project for putting in resume ?

emulating water with code

the video is not smooth but when it actually runs it is way smooth

i wrote shader code

trust me it is the most annoying thing ever I have written shader code I am not doing it again

i did not make it it just manupulating the mesh and its properties

i am multiplying it with a Sine of something value to give it wave like effect

[ebon dove]

Hello everyone do anybody have experience interning / working for a quant firm

[dapper bane]

here is the live link https://needjob-coder.itch.io/water-shader

[acoustic forge]

Hey can you guys rate a resume project here?

[dapper bane]

I dont think I can change that I ll have to make a new itch account

[acoustic forge]

Here is the link: https://audiobookgenerator.vercel.app its an AI-powered audiobook generator

[dapper bane]

nevermind I have changed it

does the water shader look a good project to add in resume ?

[graceful owl]

Is the code available on the itch io website? I can't see it anywhere

[graceful owl]

You should probably make it available, if I was hiring I'd like to take a look theougj

[buoyant seal]

https://youtu.be/FIZI3k7mTvA
Joke as answer, but seriously yes if u document it well enough.
Describe it as article/small essay how u did it 😉
Make the article/essay being the important part, and code/demonstration only as part of it.

[acoustic forge]

Hey, can you guys rate my resume project? Its an AI-based audiobook generator. Thanks in advance. Link: https://audiobookgenerator.vercel.app/

[umbral frigate]

Joma! (his anime intern videos were quite fun)

[low chasm]

is it possible to run any script for application in headless mode?

or the question is does every application supporting headless mode scripting?

[buoyant seal]

if by headless mode u assume Console interfaced execution in a standalone way in sepearation from main app.
then the answer it depends.

• For majority of tech debt free backend applications made in stateless way, it is yes (but still not for all of them)
• For desktop apps having plenty of in memory stuff, that can be requiring some interface to communicate with it.
  TLDR: it depends on application design (architecture) and features present. #software-architecture channel is more apprioriate for this topic

[low chasm]

And is there a way hot to control headless script external, for example got some custom desktop application? I choose settings, this desktop application generate script and execute it

[bleak pond]

I worked as c# developer for 2 years but left my job last nov

[buoyant seal]

once again it depends. In general people implement such logic in a good way by having scripts already part of app. User just inputs variables and executes his script.
It is possible to make as part of app interpreter capable to launch any script in pretty much any language i guess, but it is topic involving potentially very bad design, complexity and fragility and heavy security problems. It depends on what u implement
Also some languages easier, some less easy to run on a fly. So not every designed way will be easy possible to ship to end user as desktop. People usually run such stuff at backend servers for easier controlling compilers, and provide for desktop app only interface with server
Replit app is like this, allowing user to input any code in multiple languages for execution

[bleak pond]

Now when i talk to recruiters i tell them about the gap and the reason being health issue, i never hear back from them ?

Is it forbidden to leave job because of health now?

[acoustic forge]

its a feature of the project

[low chasm]

I am trying to build my own render farm, now the purple things thats pretty much done with the app itself, I already finishing my script in python, but what would be your recommendation to create app which is gonna control the front for the users?

[gritty rivet]

To the contrary, at least here in the US, I feel like career breaks have become more common and accepted then before. Some recruiters may see it as a reason to pass on your resume, but if your resume is good overall, that shouldn't generally be a deal-breaker.

If you're applying for many jobs and not getting any interviews at all, it's very likely that your resume needs work. Send anonimyzed screenshots here and people will give feedback.

[bleak pond]

no i am actually getting call back from recruiters its just after i tell them my salary expectation and about the gap reason that i dont hear back from them?

like my resume is actually getting shortlisted in initial screening but after they talk to me, they seem to be moving forward with different candidate :/

[acoustic forge]

well its free, you get 3 tokens

[gritty rivet]

So it sounds like the problem is in the details of those conversations. If they've seen your resume and are calling you about it, I wouldn't bring up the career gap, since they should already know about it. When they ask for salary expectations, I would not give a number but simply confirm that their range is acceptable.

[acoustic forge]

?

[gritty rivet]

If you cannot share the code, then it's not very useful as a resume project. It's fine to include it, and might even be impressive if you have X number of customers.... but a prospective employer will be more interested in seeing the code you've written.

[acoustic forge]

true, have you checked it?

[gritty rivet]

I followed the link and I see a signup page with pricing information and little else. Nobody here and no prospective employer is going to waste their time dealing with that. Include an obvious link to the GitHub repo, or find another project if you're not willing to do that

[acoustic forge]

Thanks for checking it out!

[bleak pond]

okay i will make sure not to tell them salary next time..

[pale marten]

My sister is on her way to a job interview at McDonald's

hopefully she gets the job.

[bleak pond]

i called her again she is setting up interview on monday lol

[true harness]

huh. what persuaded them

[bleak pond]

idk she said she was trying to call me, it was just today that i was screened for interview

yea i just know they are hit and miss, i already worked at 3 fortune 100 companies before, but have gaps between them

[pale marten]

https://youtube.com/shorts/OvcMkHM7KAg?si=jzd5HB93GzdsYF2V

[steel pendant]

We wish the same

[pale marten]

Thx, she finished the interview. Shell get a response soon, i believe

[fringe sphinx]

Let's stay on topic here plz

[pale marten]

is it true tho?

[fringe sphinx]

Is what true?

[pale marten]

the video

[fringe sphinx]

No idea, not going to watch it

!ot

[inner wren]

Off-topic channel

#ot2-never-nester’s-nightmare

Please read our off-topic etiquette before participating in conversations.

[pale marten]

come on man

[steel pendant]

Yes actually it's true for outer world. When you going into derive the algorithm, the high school concepts needed.

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 447429679696183306 Advertisements and recruitment aren't allowed on this server. Please see channel description and #rules

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @desert obsidian.

[pallid cedar]

hello im sorry maybe im asling this qst on the wrong place but has anyone worked with TABLEAU desktop beforz

[fringe sphinx]

If it's not python related, ask in off-topic. Otherwise, ask in #python-discussion

[pallid cedar]

ok thanks

[wary oxide]

What a good channel for discussion of Self Help for neruo divergent ADHD folks to get help or some tips

[peak halo]

We don't have a channel for that.

[wary oxide]

I see would this channel be of any help since it more career focused

[fringe sphinx]

This channel is fine if it's a work/career related question. Software engineering is a very neuro-diverse field. It's just not a general self-help channel tho, so we might direct it to an off-topic channel if it strays really far from anything career related.

[dapper bane]

@turbid bobcat look at the shader now https://saintelgrandosmokio.itch.io/water-shader

[faint depot]

Ive such a bad habit of thinking too much into the future. Im unsure if I should focus the next decade of my life into going into SWE and then later in life, do a degree in another discipline or I just go down the engineering route and do my best to carry on programming on the side

[peak halo]

@faint depot what country are you in?

[faint depot]

UK. You can see in my previous comments for more details but tldr; applied to an IT apprenticeship and engineering apprenticeship. After that, with the qualifications I get in either, Ill go into a degree apprenticeship

Issue is, if I get accepted into both apprenticeships, which path do I choose? Ultimately, my main goal in life is to be in a career that helps so many people around the world. Though tbh its too vague of a goal but idk wtf to do in life

[peak halo]

The thing I was going to say is US-specific.

[faint depot]

Regardless of country, would it be wise to go focus on the SWE path or go along the engineering path? I do not want to make the wrong decision

[faint depot]

I live at home and all the apprenticeship places are within walking or bus distance so thats no issue. Theres times where I think engineering will be the right path and then theres times where I think IT/SWE is better. Ive got an interview next week with major engineering company next week so hopefully that goes well

In the UK, a normal engineering apprenticeship takes 3 years (36 months) whilst the IT apprenticeship Ive applied to (BT) is 18 months

[analog sun]

That sounds great! A solid opportunity lined up

I'm not sure, but I think that it is easier to pivot from traditional engineering into SWE than the other way around. If you pursue traditional engineering and keep up with some skills in SWE, you can pivot into that field later on with some more credentials / projects. You can also develop projects in the context of traditional engineering in order to both improve and use your skills

[faint depot]

Thats what Ive been thinking. Whilst doing an engineering apprenticeship, continue with the programming. But on the other hand, Im thinking what if I specialise in the SWE side and then go into another discipline if I feel like it

[safe coral]

I quit the job. Someone advised me to quit the position immediately after I was put in charge of procurement research

[fringe sphinx]

Then you'll go into another discipline knowing coding. That seems like a good thing?

[safe coral]

And that I will be liable for company’s finances and that should be on director not on me to decide what software to buy

Just to let you know. I went to HR and told them how messed up a company it is and HR agreed with me. They will also communicate with the director about his behavior against me @fringe sphinx

[faint depot]

Its a bit complicated. Will I have the time to continue the programming and is the apprenticeship interesting enough to keep me engaged for 3 years? Plus its the first time in over a decade that I genuinely have no set path for myself

[analog sun]

I think the main question is which to do first, but it seems like it could work well either way

Which isn't a definitive answer, but is still probably the best

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know anything about the UK apprenticeships. I'm just saying: Good coding skills are valuable in most engineering disciplines. The sum (two specialties) is often greater than the parts.

[safe coral]

The boiling point was when the director asked me to call companies that sells dashboard solutions to customers. I refused to use my own cell phone but they don’t have a phone line so I got frustrated and decided to quit

[fringe sphinx]

Good! Time to move on.

[faint depot]

Hope you get a better job in the future. Seems like such a scumbag thing for the director to do

[fringe sphinx]

Sounds toxic. What's your next step?

[safe coral]

I’m gonna look for other jobs

That are more relevant to my degree.

I swear to God. I will never work for marketing or bad startup companies

[dense mesa]

I did engineering for undergrad and went into tech. Wouldn't recommend engineering or IT as a career personally, lot of work for not much pay

[faint depot]

Youll be surprised with apprenticeships here in the uk. One of my friends did an engineering apprenticeship straight after secondary school and he was earning 40k GBP by the time he was 21 years and he has no degree. Just a high school equivalent of an A level qualification

[safe coral]

I listened to a wise person on discord before I went to HR. HR also agreed with me and this shouldn’t be my job

[faint depot]

DAMN

[dense mesa]

You're locked into engineering after and you can't reasonably find other jobs easily (especially in engineering) without a degree

[safe coral]

Yeah they want me to help them find solutions

Use those solutions and upsell them to customers

[faint depot]

Dw im still going to do a degree after. But its just which path to take

[safe coral]

He wanted me to gauge for 100K customers 🤣🤣

I told him the best step would be creating that solution in house but he wasn’t happy with that

I’m not sure why a customer wouldn’t go buy the solution directly from the company and instead use a third party company that does it for them and sells it at a much higher price

[fringe sphinx]

Whatever you do, diversify your learning. Prioritize breadth over depth. At least, that's my philosophy. Others may disagree.

[smoky quest]

It's very expensive to build things in house. Build vs buy is an interesting topic

Overall it sounds like a mountain out of nothing

[true harness]

iirc, the company is pretty small, right? an in-house project probably doesn't make sense if there's not a lot of manpower to put it together fast enough

[dense mesa]

As someone who studied engineering at uni, had exposure to IT work experience and software projects, I am very glad I went for software. As did basically everyone else in my engineering cohort

[faint depot]

Hopefully when the time comes, I make the right decision

[fringe sphinx]

What does "engineering" mean in UK? In US, there's a specialty attached to it.. EE, ME, etc.

What does that mean? Lost hope?

[peak halo]

What is your goal, and what have you been doing to achieve it?

Who is he?

The man trying to keep us down?

[humble vine]

GUYS

[dense mesa]

Bachelor's in Engineering, BEng. Implies I did traditional engineering not software. Not mentioning specifics in case of dox

[fringe sphinx]

What's the scope of "traditional engineering" tho? I'm not sure we have an analogue in the US?

[analog sun]

Yeah I'm not sure either

[humble vine]

i have 53 warnings but my code works just fine is that ok?

[dense mesa]

What

[fringe sphinx]

#python-discussion

[peak halo]

Sorry, but I don't understand what you're talking about. You keep referring to things that you haven't defined.

[humble vine]

srry

[dense mesa]

Some electrical, some mechanical, some civil, bit of everything

[pine sleet]

i think we could call that multidisciplinary engineering in the us

[deft herald]

My degree is just plain "Engineering" with an "Electrical specialty"

[faint depot]

Fucking hell this is going to take time to explain XD so bear with me please; in the UK I've applied to a level 3 engineering apprenticeship. Level 3 courses (apprenticeship or a high school course) in the UK are equivalent to A levels. Level 3 engineering apprenticeship have two part: the theory part where you go to a training provider that teaches you the basics and knowledge you need for the apprenticeship and then, the employer part where you actually work in the company and apply that knowledge. Engineering apprenticeships in the UK have multiple pathways; I've chosen the Techinical Support Tech route where I do all the planning and drawing up the schematics and shit like that (using CADCAM). I highly suggest to go on the UKs apprenticeship standards website to learn more about how they do apprenticships in the UK

[fringe sphinx]

Interesting, that's so different than in US, hard to draw any comparisons. Love it tho.

[faint depot]

Wont be surprised if the US has better ways of doing apprenticeships. Tbf though the apprenticeship programs here in the UK are pretty good from what Ive heard. You have people earning graduate salaries before turning 21/22 despite having no degree

For e.g. one of my friends is on 40k a year. And he only did an apprenticeship, no degree. If he wanted to he could do a degree funded by his company but he said hes happy with what hes earning and doing now

[lapis wind]

That is effectively what I did

[smoky quest]

It's not that popular in the USA

[faint depot]

apprenticeships in the UK can be quite competitive to get in, despite the lower grade boundaries

[lapis wind]

but there are some notable caveats to the whole thing, it is definitely not for everyone.

So there are two main separate 'apprenticeships' the ones where the company is just paying you what they get from the government and using you effectively as free labour, and the ones where the company is actively investing in you (these are typically the ones that pay more), the ones that use you as free labour are going to suck.
For reference, normally an apprenticeship will be partially funded by the government not sure if it has changed super recently, I know lockdown did some weird things to the whole system, but it used to be ~$11-12k

One thing to note, I think Level 3 are generally not as useful as Level 4 and above, although yes they give you some credentials, they exist in this slightly weird situation where they don't quite qualify as a full set of 3-4 BTECs or A-level grades. Which can make it hard to change company or go onto a different course later on. Because most things as part of the further education, look for BTECs or A-levels rather than what a Level 3 gives you. It is also worth noting, that some companies definitely play a bit fast and loose with the rules, it is not unheard of to have the company work you 5 days a week, then in reality you should be doing around 3 days working, 2 days dedicated training time.

The other thing that is definitely worth mentioning is your social life will be vastly different to that of someone going to Uni or in A levels. You will be working for the record, and your peers will be considerably older than you, and to some extent you are going to feel like you are in different worlds, what you would say to your friends isn't something you'd say to your colleagues.

Now to some extent, I would recommend doing A-levels, and then doing a level-4 or above. A) because there are more option and B) because if the company suddenly cancels (which can happen and did happen a lot in 2021 & 2022) you are going to be left high and dry

I probably can't overstate the social aspect, if you're 16, going into the working environment while the rest of your friend group is in A-levels/BTEC, is going to be a incredibly jarring experience, bear in mind, you won't have a summer holiday for 6 weeks, easter break, etc... you'll have 20 days of paid leave and weekends.

[faint depot]

Nice to see a fellow Brit. Theres several issues; I'm 23 years old, I've already done my A levels (BDD, Maths, Bio, Chem). Tried applying for level 4 apprenticeships but didnt get in. Last chance is do a level 3 course, smash it and try to get into a degree apprenticeship. I'm not going backwards and retaking my A levels. The stress of A levels is why Im in this position. I did 3 years of uni and then left; just realised biomed isnt for me anymroe

[lapis wind]

Oh I see

[faint depot]

Ive applied to a BT ap[prenticeship. Are they pretty good?

[lapis wind]

No XD

I'll put my top list of companies that I did not have a good experience with when apply and interviewing with:

• BT
• Sky
• Vodafone
• Virgin
• Someone else I can't remember

[faint depot]

I wont lie, BT have said theyre going to give me an interview and that theyre waiting for slots but havent heard back from them yeet

[lapis wind]

BT and Sky get a special shout out because I did several sets of interviews with them, and then no response for literally 12 months before they sent an email with any sort of reply or offer.

[faint depot]

How long ago was it?

[lapis wind]

God no idea now, it was 2020? 2021?

actually it is probably closer to early 2020

[faint depot]

one of my friend did a BT apprenticeship around that time as well (2020-2022 i think). He said it was a pretty decent course

[lapis wind]

I ended up going with https://www.softwire.com/vacancy/apprentice-software-developer/

who were amazing tbh, bloomberg also looked to have a good course

[faint depot]

I'm from South Yorkshire. Too much of a hassle to move and applications are closed now. So many hard decisions to make. This genuinely my last chance as I cant go back to uni (cant afford plus with this shit job market, havent found a job in time to pay for uni fees)

[lapis wind]

Tbh IMO the current state of UK unis as well makes it not worth it with a tech related course

But I will say you probably do to some extent need to be willing to move to get the best opportunity

it's obviously a difficult decision to make but being willing to move does give much better flexability in choices

[faint depot]

If my luck is shit and I get rejected from the companies, I'm going to have to live an elaborate lie (still living with parents) for at least a year while I apply to other apprenticeship opportunities

[lapis wind]

You can also try apply to https://www.techswitch.co.uk/learners (which is also Softwire) but they focus more on training & setting you up with partner companies getting you into the industry

It isn't an apprenticeship, but ultimately is geared towards getting your first steps into the industry

[faint depot]

Ill think about it. The company I have interview with next week (engineering) is a highly reputable company. Theyve just been bought by the MoD and its very near where I live (dont want to give away mroe details where I live XD)

[lapis wind]

Engineering wise, GE and Quinetic are supposed to be good as well

Only one related to gov though is avoid GCHQ from what I've heard

[faint depot]

whats bad about GCHQ?

[lapis wind]

I have ~heard that they have a habbit of working you like a slave with high stress and bad management

[faint depot]

For the past year or so, theyve halted their degree apprenticeship scheme. Only continued their bursary scheme. Is Rolls Royce, by any chance, a decent company for apprenticeships?

[lapis wind]

I'm not sure, I haven't ran into anyone who's done one with them previously

[iron dust]

Hallo i need help in python asap can someone help me

[faint depot]

my plan for the future is to go on to do a degree apprenticeship with RollsRoyce after ive done my level 3 apprenticeship

[faint depot]

go to the python discussion channel or to either of the specific channels

[iron dust]

Alright sorry

[faint depot]

No worries. Best use the specific channels (depending on your issue)

[sly elbow]

liebe leute, wo kann ich hier meine code zeigen, sodass ihr mich helfen konnt

[faint depot]

From what Ive read online, it always seems like the issue with a lot of the apprenticeships is not the companies themselves but their training providers

[fringe sphinx]

How does that work? Who are the training providers? I guess I need to just read that link.

[faint depot]

Depends. For degree apprenticeships, the training provider is the university the company teams up with. For a normal apprenticeship, could be a separate company that specialises in teaching (e.g. QA apprenticeships), could be the company themselves doing the training. The engineering apprenticeships Ive applied, their training provider is a research centre that was founded and funded by a uni in my city

[sleek charm]

Ye it's closed rn isn't it

[faint depot]

It is. Youll have to apply in the autumn (around october time i think)

[sleek charm]

U just need to apply everywhere, market yourself, connect your LinkedIn. Learn Python, HTML, CSS, Flask & SQL put it on your CV. And connect your github. Rn u just need to apply to anything that says IT in your area, they all allow for progression on to more specific roles

Once u get your foot in the door the sky is pretty much the limit

[faint depot]

If I do the engineering apprenticeship, Ill have a good three years to do all of that. Im learning Python along with SQL (databases) as I plan to delve into ML. Obviously, ML is difficult to self learn so Im just learning other skills so I can get myself out of tutorial hell and do some projects

[sleek charm]

Ye but the competition is very high for them too. I'm in London, I started out with a cloud specialist apprenticeship for Microsoft then moved on to cloud support engineer and then into software dev. ML is very difficult to get into without having a degree ofc, barrier to entry is high. Keep banging out the projects and try to get some Certs on your LinkedIn. Create a standard email u send to all potential employers, and a cover doc too + default CV.

[fringe sphinx]

Do you take classes at the training center? And work part time? Or just alternate between work and school periods?

[dense mesa]

Tbh at that point I would really not consider anything other than software

[dense mesa]

I haven't heard this about GCHQ or any of the letter names

[near ocean]

Theres a guy on my team that did a BT apprenticeship and his critique was basically the pay only, everything else was great

[faint depot]

Alternates. My first year will primarily be in the training centre and then the next two years a mixture of in centre and the work place with the third year being mainly in the workplace

[sleek charm]

Ye u might have to take the 14k starting salary on the chin tbh

[near ocean]

It was 18-20k for him, which is pretty good for an 18yo

[lapis wind]

I can only go off from people i've talked to about it

[sleek charm]

That's great

[faint depot]

I absolutely know that. I at least want to know ML anyway because I just find it interesting and I really want to delve into it more. Any little bit of knowledge helps

[fringe sphinx]

Oooh. In US closest is a coop program. But it's really a Uni program.

(Co-op)

[faint depot]

Do you think a BT apprenticeship could be better (IT Solutions Software Apprenticeship is the role I applied for)

[faint depot]

We have degree apprenticeships which I assume is the UK equivalent of a Coop program

[dense mesa]

What is the reasoning to go for apprenticeships over one of the free bootcamps? At 23 you'd be getting into the workforce a lot faster without all the faff of an apprenticeshp

[near ocean]

Can they get into the workforce with a free bootcamp?

[faint depot]

I think apprenticeships are better and plus I want to get a degree (degree apprenticeship though, not conventional degree)

[dense mesa]

There's some government/uni funded ones that are pretty decent, have seen people break into good roles if you use it as a springboard

[faint depot]

Without sounding cheesy, Ive got ambitions and aims I want to achieve but dk how. Plus I still get a qualification whilst getting paid (still live at home so its not bad)

[smoky quest]

apprenticeships provide far better skills than a bootcamp and open the doors to better opportunities and compensation

[faint depot]

Also no debt. Im a fuxking idiot for not doing one after A levels. 3 years at uni and dropped out. Gonna have to pay it back 😞

[smoky quest]

ngl, am more worried about the degree than the investment

[dense mesa]

Very true, I would point out the current job market in the UK as a reason to not go for apprenticeships as much. Do a decent bootcamp and try to get something entry level imo

[faint depot]

Did biomed. Foundation year and 1st year at one university, then transferred to my home university and had to redo year 1 again. Thought fuck this shit, Im out. And here I am talking to all of you

[fringe sphinx]

I too went f this. I can relate.

[smoky quest]

main issue is that bootcamp is for cheap and unskilled labor. You will have lower opportunities and compensation

[sleek charm]

This isn't for jobs, vacancies for Apprenticeships in UK are generally high and haven't lowered. There's multiple websites in which you can apply for level 3-level 4

[smoky quest]

yep. It's a bet. On one said it's unfortunate it did not pan out, but on the other side, it's fortunate that you did discover something you vibe more with

[fringe sphinx]

In my case, went military and then got my shit together. Not all paths are straight.

[sleek charm]

That's actually sick

[faint depot]

Issue is, idk which road to fucking take 😂. Ultimately, if I get accepted into all the apprenticeships Ive applied to, need to make the decision which one I should take and being doing for the next 3 years

[fringe sphinx]

It's one reason I'm very familiar with the dismal 4 year graduation rates in the US.

[fringe sphinx]

Sounds like you don't have any bad choices.

[dense mesa]

I'm very well aware considering I'm finishing a level 7 🙂

[dense mesa]

You can learn enough to get decent projects down. There are very high calibre programmes in the UK that are completely free, just highly selective in return.

I know a guy who did one after having done physics, was on comparable pay to me a couple years out

[true harness]

what do the levels mean? how high do they go (american here)

[faint depot]

I know but I have to choose one at the end of the day. Ive already wasted 4/5 years. A girl who I was friends with finish her degree in medicine within that time. Im here stuck at the beginning again and yet I keep walking forward because im too stubborn to quit

[fringe sphinx]

Do you have a degree only path? (That's financially viable)

[faint depot]

The apprenticeship route. I can do a normal apprenticeship, get the highest grade (distinction) and maybe use that to leverage getting a degree apprenticeship where my degree is funded for me by the company that accepts me

There really is no other financially viable route to a degree as Ive already done a few years so i wont get any government loans, have to pay out of pocket

[whole flare]

Seems like this provides a good overview https://www.gov.uk/what-different-qualification-levels-mean/list-of-qualification-levels

[hidden crystal]

Hey how much do senior developers make a year

[near ocean]

Where? Working on what?

[hidden crystal]

Softwares

[pine sleet]

what kind of softwares

and in what location?

[regal axle]

Between $0-$1m. 😄

[hidden crystal]

web dev TX

[pine sleet]

im seeing an average of about 120k ish

[hidden crystal]

Wtf how

[pine sleet]

higher in austin ofc

[hidden crystal]

How are doctors 100k lawyers 100k and web devs 120k

[true harness]

supply and demand

[hidden crystal]

Can i make more with a compsci major or engineering

[pine sleet]

it matters what you do not your major

[hidden crystal]

Wait robin u know what tamu is right

[pine sleet]

i could be a cs major and go work at mcdonalds or some guy without a degree could be making more money than me working swe

[pine sleet]

yeah that's where i go 🗿

[hidden crystal]

OMG FR, CAN U HELP ME WIT LIKE APPLICATIONS N STUFF

[true harness]

in general, software engineers tend to make more than other engineering fields. but you can look up all this data yourself. see bls.gov

[hidden crystal]

SOOO im tryna get into it, and someone told me to do a super underground major like "ocean marine engineering" then my second year , to transfer to compsci major.

Would this work

[true harness]

no

[pine sleet]

it is almost impossible to transfer into CS here

so good luck with that

[hidden crystal]

but reddit said its possible

[true harness]

it's almost impossible to transfer into CS anywhere

[pine sleet]

terrible source

but also nobody said its impossible

[hidden crystal]

😭 Then if i want to do cs, where do i go? TAMU is just engineering

[pine sleet]

im literally studying CS there

and they do more than just engineering

[hidden crystal]

ok but ur stats are high, mine are rly mid

[pine sleet]

you'll be fine its not a competitive university

my stats were pretty mid too

[near ocean]

You should study harder and get them up

[hidden crystal]

Yes it is... the acceptance rate is rly low

[pine sleet]

its like 60%

we have like 60k kids too

[hidden crystal]

I cant , im a incoming senior, im a genius rn, but i was SOOO rerrttarded freshman and sophomore year. like i kept getting in trouble n stuff, but i flipped my life around, and take like all AP classes, 5 on all of them, and like all 90s and above

[pine sleet]

please dont use that word

there are other ways to express the same thing without sounding abelist

[hidden crystal]

What if im atuistic

[pine sleet]

thats fine i would ask you to just not say those things in this server

[hidden crystal]

no but dont yall have a top 10% of ur class get auto accepted?

[pine sleet]

yes thats a thing across texas

if you're top 10% of your class you get auto admission into any college of your choice in texas. i think UT is top 6% though so an exception

[hidden crystal]

Ok what if like my school is so smart that the avg guy has a 4.5 weighted gpa and like im rank 150/200

[pine sleet]

then you have to apply like the rest of us do

[hidden crystal]

😭 Yeah but how am i getting into tamu

[pine sleet]

just apply

its not as difficult as you make it out to be

[hidden crystal]

But i wanna be doing cs 😭 and its super competitive

[pine sleet]

they overaccept students on purpose. you go through a general engineering program your first year and if your college GPA is 3.75+ you get auto accepted into CS

[hidden crystal]

i dont get it, what do u mean auto accepted

[pine sleet]

first you apply for the school itself, then you spend a year there doing random stuff, then you apply again for your top 3 majors of choice

if, during that first year, you maintain a GPA of 3.75+, then you automatically get admitted into your first choice major

[hidden crystal]

Wait actually? Then why are ppl talking abt like "picking a major" before applying

[pine sleet]

but the major you pick now is not binding

[pine sleet]

CS is incredibly competitive so if you don't have that GPA you're basically not getting in. i managed to make it w/o that GPA so it's possible but incredibly difficult

[bronze fiber]

Does anyone have a pdf with the flask documentation?

[pine sleet]

ask in #1035199133436354600

you can build the docs yourself and export to HTML

[bronze fiber]

Oh, thanks.

[hidden crystal]

But im an incoming high school senior 😭😭😭 what im asking is like Do i needa pick a major, or talk abt the major i want to be in when i apply?

The reddit link i sent was ppl saying like whats the easiest major to get INTO tamu itself right? or was it talking abt like what u were js saying : " if, during that first year, you maintain a GPA of 3.75+, then you automatically get admitted into your first choice major "

[pine sleet]

no thats BS it doesn't matter what major you apply as

(at least within engineering)

[prisma canyon]

does anyone know anything about updating tpm 1.2 on hp

[pine sleet]

ask in #ot1-perplexing-regexing

[hidden crystal]

Wdym by at least

[cobalt moat]

hi bobin

[prisma canyon]

oh ok thanks

[pine sleet]

i can't speak for other departments. im under the college of engineering so my advice is only really applicable to that

[hidden crystal]

Wait if im TRYING to get into tamu, what do u advise doing

[true harness]

having an idea of why you want to go to college is important

[pine sleet]

do well in school, write good essays

its not harvard its a state school

[hidden crystal]

thats it?

[pine sleet]

yeah pretty much

[hidden crystal]

is taking 21 aps in high school good?

[pine sleet]

if you do well in them sure

[hidden crystal]

Whats a good sat / gpa to get into the school

[pine sleet]

you can transfer those credits and maybe even start as a sophmore

[hidden crystal]

START AS A SOPHOMORE? LIKE SKIP A GRADE?

[pine sleet]

i think the average is like 1300 so just do better than that and you'll be fine

[pine sleet]

yeah kinda

thats what my roomate did

[hidden crystal]

What abt gpa. i have a 3. 5 weighted 😭

[pine sleet]

its probably fine

you have a year to bring it up

[hidden crystal]

How tf am i bringing it up. i have ONE semester actually before i apply

[pine sleet]

get all As

[hidden crystal]

But im taking the hardest classes ever.

AP Physics C
AP Compsci
AP Post Cal
AP Chem
AP Bio
AP ENv science
AP Gov

Theres no way i can raise it up.

[pine sleet]

the only hard classes on there is physics C and chem

[hidden crystal]

But also if i do get all a's whats the 3.5 going up to

[pine sleet]

dont know you will have to run the numbers yourself

[true harness]

have you taken gov bro

[pine sleet]

no

i havent worked with weighted gpa stuff in a while

theres probably calculators and stuff online

[true harness]

gov is one of the hardest APs 🗿

[pine sleet]

first time im hearing that

[hidden crystal]

no its not

[pine sleet]

bottom line is, do the best you can in class, write good essays, get rec letters, apply to safety, reach, and match schools and you will be fine

[hidden crystal]

Just know ur laws n stuff is what the past seniors told me

[hidden crystal]

Whats a safety reach and match

Also how many should i apply to .

And do i have to pay to apply to schools cs someone told me that

Also can i reuse the same essay

Do i try to apply to every texas school then like outside states after that

[cobalt moat]

excuses

[pine sleet]

Safety is schools you know you'll get into easily (fallback option), match is schools that are just about a perfect fit for you, reach is where your stats are a bit below the average for the student going there

there's no hard number on how many you want to apply to

most colleges charge an application fee (usually less than $100 though)

the way it works is you have one master essay you send to every college, but every college has their own prompts so you write a couple for each.

there are too many schools in texas for you to apply to. but if you're looking for in state options (tuition is generally cheaper), like 80% of your choices should be in texas. you can apply to stuff outside as well, nothing is stopping you (i applied to ASU as a safety for instance)

[hidden crystal]

Ohh so perfect basically it matches my stats exactly and safety is like if im completely homeless, and reach is like just luck

So i can literally js apply to every college in the world?

BROO WHAT , so if i apply to like 20 colleges, ill be paying 2000 $ ?? 😭 Wtf

[cobalt moat]

then dont apply to 20

[pine sleet]

do it in moderation

i applied to about 8

[hidden crystal]

and paid 800

[pine sleet]

no it wasn't $100 for each

[hidden crystal]

Why didnt u get into an ivy

[pine sleet]

i didn't apply to any

[hidden crystal]

did yk ur getting in or whatt

[pine sleet]

no

that's why you have safety schools you're OK with going to

[hidden crystal]

when do tamu results come out

n should i worry abt fafsa

[pine sleet]

it depends if you apply EA/ED or regular

if you need it then yes

[hidden crystal]

whats ea ed

[pine sleet]

early application/early decision

[hidden crystal]

whats the diff betw both and regular

[pine sleet]

early decision is binding, you agree to go to that college if you get accepted. early application is not binding, you can still choose to not go even if you get accepted. ea/ed have earlier application due dates

its a way to show that a particular school is a priority for you

[hidden crystal]

Can i lie and not go to it if i get accepted

Also is there pros for earlier decision other than getting results early. Like do the school accept me more or smth

[true harness]

there are contracts you need to sign to enter into ED

[hidden crystal]

Should i wait and get my gpa a bit up (its a 3.5 weighted) instead of early decision

[hidden crystal]

Ill break the contract 😭 im not 18

[true harness]

i would not recommend that

[hidden crystal]

is there like a advantage of ed

😭 I dont see a point other than flexing ur in college earlier to ur friends

[pine sleet]

yes the chances are higher

theres also more spots open at that time and less people applying

[hidden crystal]

WAIT DEADASS? SO ITS EASIER TO GET IN?

[pine sleet]

yes

[true harness]

it's not really that substantial, but it depends on the college

[hidden crystal]

Ok wait i have more questions, im sorry if im enslaving u atm

[hidden crystal]

yes it is 😭

[pine sleet]

nah not really

its just a bit easier

[true harness]

you just found about it 2 minutes ago, how can you say that it is

[hidden crystal]

Ok whats the difference between like tamu and like the other million other a&m schools im seeing, cs why is there like smmm buildings for no reason

[pine sleet]

huh?

are you talking about the branch schools and other campuses

[hidden crystal]

Yes

[pine sleet]

a lot of universities have stuff like that

they'll have one main campus and a bunch of other sister schools and branches and whatnot

[fringe sphinx]

Especially state universities... our local state U has 4 campuses plus main.

[hidden crystal]

whats the point of sister schools?

[pine sleet]

specialize in stuff, accept more students, many reasons

[pine sleet]

only for engineering

since this is a python server im assuming so

[hidden crystal]

im confused

Do i pick a major when applying, yes or no, also im applying for cs thats why im talking in the server abt this

[pine sleet]

are you doing engineering?

if so, then no

[pine sleet]

no, it asks you for what major you want to do but its not binding

[hidden crystal]

But one of the questisons is asking what major ur gonna do 😭

nvm i read it

Also does tamu treat cs and eng the same?? or they like eng more

[pine sleet]

what does it mean to "like" it more

[hidden crystal]

accept more eng ppl

[pine sleet]

i think the college of engineering is one of the biggest ones so yeah probably

[hidden crystal]

Can u explain this 😭

[pine sleet]

what exactly are you confused on

if you want to do cs do cs

[hidden crystal]

But u just said they accept eng ppl more 😭 im thinking of doing eng then switch to cs second year

[fringe sphinx]

Accepting more doesn't mean it has high acceptance %.

That said, my local U's CS program is one of the most selective

[pine sleet]

engineering and CS are not different here

but regardless switching into CS is almost impossible

[fringe sphinx]

Do they publish program specific acceptance rates?

[pine sleet]

yes

[hidden crystal]

SHOW

[pine sleet]

https://engineering.tamu.edu/_files/_documents/_content-documents/ETAM-2023-placement-outcomes-report-31Jan2023.pdf

[hidden crystal]

Wait is tamu a rly good school like ppl would be gassed up if i said i go there

Also u said before yall have 60k ppl, how do they manage all that stress 😭

[pine sleet]

they dont

its kinda fucked

[hidden crystal]

Wdym by fucked. do yal like have fights n stuff

[pine sleet]

class registration was 2 days ago and the site went down 10 minutes after it opened

[pine sleet]

no. we have way more students than we should. resources are stretched thin

[hidden crystal]

why would it go down, 60k to a website isnt even that bad

[fringe sphinx]

Do upper class get priority?

[pine sleet]

yes

[hidden crystal]

Wait so is it super crowded .

[pine sleet]

very

[hidden crystal]

Do you like it there.

Also wait im not even applying to the same school as u. im going to htx tamu, ur in like atx

[pine sleet]

yes i like it here, no i dont know what that is

[hidden crystal]

What abt UH and UT , are they easier to get into than am? or harder?

[fringe sphinx]

Doesn't your high school have a college advisor? They have access to databases like Naviance that provide detailed acceptance rate info

[hidden crystal]

school starts in 12 days, im finishing this before school starts + My college advisor yaps too much

Also not like i need serious help. I just need advice from someone whos IN the college themselves. Robin is doing a fine job helping me already

I feel more confident getting in than before

[fringe sphinx]

Most college counselors have better acceptance rate info than is publicly available. My son's school could tell you acceptance rate for most schools by GPA and major.

[hidden crystal]

son is CRAZY 😭 are ppl in this server fr that old

[pine sleet]

don't know, didn't really look into it. though i'd wager UH is a bit easier and UT is a bit harder

[hidden crystal]

Ohhh alright thank you

Whats the difference betw someone going to CC and getting a CS job than someone going to tamu and gettinga cs job.

[whole flare]

Yes

[pine sleet]

network, mostly

[hidden crystal]

Cs everyone at my school says cc is for homeless ppl or ppl that dont care abt life or smth

[pine sleet]

ours is the biggest in the state and can definetely open some doors for you

[pine sleet]

no, it's actually a very fine and economically viable option

[hidden crystal]

Oh i thought it was just a buncha teens 😭😭 Cause its discord.

[fringe sphinx]

Community college is a two year degree, right?

[hidden crystal]

No but if you say you're going to community college in my school u would get bullied so hardd and made fun of 😭

[pine sleet]

who cares what a bunch of teenagers think

do what's best for your future

[hidden crystal]

is hcc 2 years , i forgot @pine sleet

[pine sleet]

most community colleges are

they give you an associates

the common advice is to do 2 years, transfer out and do another 2 years elsewhere to get the bachelor's

[hidden crystal]

not even that but my parents would think im a failure.

[pine sleet]

you don't have to go if you don't want to. im just saying it's a great option for many people