career-advice

[fringe sphinx]

I wouldn't over think it. Chance favors the prepared mind. You're clearly prepared, now you're just waiting for your chance.

[hearty island]

i'm really worried man

[fringe sphinx]

Didn't you have an offer already?

[hearty island]

that was a conditional one and for reasons i can't specify, it was rescinded

[fringe sphinx]

Unfortunate, but just keep at it. It is a tough market but from my vantage, it's better than last year and improving

[hearty island]

it is definitely better

it's sad man. my degree is biasing employers against me?

[fringe sphinx]

And, if needed, come up with a plan to keep your experience growing. Volunteering, professional certificates, networking events, etc.

[fringe sphinx]

The problem isn't the degree, imo, it's that we've (employers) been burned by terrible candidates. We don't have faith in the degree (many IT or IT adjacent degrees)

[hearty island]

do you mind if i dm you the position i interviewed for?

[fringe sphinx]

Sure, go ahead

[hearty island]

just sent it over. it seemed like they thought i was too technical really.

there's a fine line b/w patronizing and complimenting tbh. kinda hard to tell on a video interview

like sort of condescending?

it felt strange of them to say, i can't quite put my finger on it

we'll have to wait and watch what happens

mmhm

idk they smiled and laughed with me a lot during the interview

[hearty island]

this might be a good sign tho?

let's just say i'm 50/50 on it

ty for the support bro, greatly appreciate it.

[vapid jay]

it is funny to see that you can be denied for being underqualified and overqualified
you have to stay in a subjective range

[hearty island]

i showed too much of my hand ig? i was rattling off compliance rules and regulations

i mean did they expect me to not show up prepared?

whatever. i cannot figure out their intentions. gotta let it go and cut my losses

[fringe sphinx]

In that type of role, I don't think you'd be faulted for 'knowing too much'. It's a knowledge role to begin with. I know other ppl with similar jobs, a good friend runs that dept for a hedge fund

[hearty island]

that's the thing, i agree with you

[hearty island]

compliance isn't something you can really fuck around with as a bank, it's a very in-depth field that is a direct result of the GFC (great financial crisis) of 2007-2009

[vapid jay]

lol, true?

[hearty island]

it's like fuck around and find out area for them. they'd be hit with insane penalties

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, one of my friends got a law degree and decided to go into compliance instead of law

[hearty island]

so if anything it's very good that i showed i knew stuff about it

[fringe sphinx]

Definitely look at smaller hedge funds, they're always understaffed in this area

[hearty island]

got it

[fringe sphinx]

They might not even have a position listed

[hearty island]

my dad's friend works for PNC in audit, he was like this is a fantastic role if you want to break into the financial services industry specifically for that LOD

so ofc i was gonna prep for it well, i really wanted it

[twilit forge]

hi, I want to start a career as a youtuber by explaining code in python and for ML / AI. Has anyone had experience how difficult that is?

I've released my first video where I have tried to explain decorators in a fun way but I feel like I'm not doing a great job.. can anyone relate?
Should I stop if I'm not an expert?

I always wonder if my microphone or voice is too bad.. but do you really think it's that important?

[dapper bane]

hey it could work dont give up

[regal axle]

It is more like getting a good mic is the lowest effort big change you can make to have the largest impact. People care a lot about good audio quality. Your "voice is too bad" is so unlikely btw.

[dapper bane]

but focus on something more stable like open source too

[balmy mural]

You don't need a great mic, but it should be decent.
The skills you need for content creation are pretty unique, so even if you're not finding a lot of success right now, if it's something you enjoy doing, you can keep at it. Over time you'll learn and build the skills needed to make better quality videos. I don't believe you need to be an expert in the field to make content about it

[twilit forge]

you guys are all so kind.. thank you for helping and encouraging me!!!

[balmy mural]

You need some degree of luck to be financially successful doing content creation though. So I wouldn't put all my eggs in one basket trying to make it a career. Do it as a side hobby until it grows to a point where you can consider doing it full time

[fringe sphinx]

Watch famous YouTubers first videos. Mr Beasts first stuff was really terrible.

[twilit forge]

I'm definetely having fun and it's helping me aswell to deepen my knowledge and to learn new python skills

since I'm not getting much views and 0 comments on the videos, it's very hard to tell what I'm doing wrong, do you guys have any advice where I could get feedback?

[balmy mural]

See if you can find small content creation communities that are similar to the type of content you are creating. Join them, promote your videos there if they allow promotion. Other than that, it's just making videos and relying on Youtube's algorithm to promote your stuff to people.
I do know short form content (YT shorts) gets a lot more views due to its nature, so don't dismiss it either. It can get some views and subs early on faster than some long form content does

[smoky quest]

How many videos were released? You won't get millions of views of your first video on the first week. Consistency will be key here.
And then yeah, making sure your content is discovered by your target users

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[twilit forge]

Not many videos for AI / Python

[dapper depot]

!rule 9 @brittle lintel

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[twilit forge]

Would anyone here be willing to watch my video and give me feedback?

[ionic jay]

What are the fields that you think are least saturated in Ai overall?

[ionic jay]

Sure!

[twilit forge]

I don't know if I can post it here, I'll msg you private if thats ok!

[shrewd gull]

Yep it was an unsolicited application. Basically they nake eye tracking software, so i though they would be doing computer vision. Atleast a c++ career.

[smoky quest]

Because AI/ML has such high value impact, it is in every field. So in terms of career, you should expect to see some everywhere you go.

[ionic jay]

Noted!

[smoky quest]

Is it fair to say it's a tiny startup?
It's normal to be a jack of all trades in small startups, and that can be a very formative and valuable experience in itself.
But it does require a mindset that goes with it. If your goal is to be single track ML, then that may not match your expectations.
Over time, as they hire, the folks at the startup will start to specialize more, but that depends on many factors, and not all of them can be guaranteed, even with the best intentions.

And you are right that if you just want an ML position, you may want to continue looking for that position.

So in the end, it will depend a lot on how much you trust the people hiring to make sure they carve out time for your career and the tasks you care about

[wind dome]

Is there any channel for posting jobs? I have a contract I need fulfilled.

[smoky quest]

Also standard advice about startups that they are very likely (and should) give you some equity. As such, part of your compensation become something like an investment. And like any investment, you should be confident that the startup is in good hands and will grow, otherwise it does put at risk that component

[smoky quest]

We don't allow job ads on this server in any channel

[wind dome]

Do you have any referrals for elsewhere?

[smoky quest]

Local tech slack are good places

[shrewd gull]

Yeah they are definitely a tiny startup. And i like being jack of all trades. But i expected that also involves ml.

[wind dome]

Could you link me to the slack server you're referring me to? Feel free to dm.

[smoky quest]

There are a bunch. Like search for "austin tech slack", "new york tech slack", etc.

[wind dome]

I don't care where, really anywhere haha

[smoky quest]

Great!
Then it depends on how much you made your wants and needs clear and how much you feel they will be cared for

[smoky quest]

I hear you. It's useful to maintain a list of communities to reach out anyway

[old yew]

guys is a cs degree worth it in 2024

i really wanna do cs degree but i feel that AI gonna take over in a couple of years seeing how advanced it has become

[wind dome]

Could we make an ammendment to the rules so that a job board is posted in the future?

[smoky quest]

That's a question for #community-meta

[near ocean]

No, there are sites whose sole purpose is to be job boards, use those

[smoky quest]

It's still worth in 2024

[old yew]

what about ai

its really good at generating code

[fiery meadow]

can it invent something new?

[old yew]

i feel like jobs will be taken over by them? i would like to hear u thoughts?

[old yew]

it can create game code out of thin air.

[balmy spade]

Some jobs might be. No job worth the effort will be.

[fiery meadow]

game code is everywhere on the internet

search "how to implement x" and you'll get an answer, ai can not invent anything new

[old yew]

ohh

[wind dome]

I don't like the traditional job board process. I would rather personally interview them and then if I like their work, send them a contract lol.

[old yew]

i never knew that. thx for clarifying

[fiery meadow]

yeah ai is trained with content generated by humans, it would be a whole different story if it could invent anything that was not invented before

[old yew]

so ai would be helping programmers?

[balmy spade]

It does help devs, if you're careful with it. Mostly it just confuses devs from what I've experienced in the workplace.

[fiery meadow]

maybe, i still wouldn't sit in a car knowing that a programmer used AI to make its auto drive system

[old yew]

thx guys for clarifying.

[balmy spade]

Bottom line: Is it worth your time to learn, grow, and get educated? Yes. Absolutely. Not changing anytime soon.

[pastel thunder]

HR is smocking some real thing, asking what I expect for the third time and the called basically to tell me that they are going to do something. 👏

And the recruiter giving some jack ass advice to resign so that notice period could be reduced, even though offer is still to be discussed.

wont name, but are F100, F500. lmaooooo

[smoky quest]

sales people are gonna sale

[fringe sphinx]

Now thats funny.

[molten parcel]

Well it is the fastest way bc it can read your code and find the best source for your continuing your code, but well as our mate said, same thing everyone said or wrote before on the internet.

[harsh river]

we fix broken chatcrappity code 24/7 here

[vapid jay]

whats the channel for ml help

[molten parcel]

Bravo

[smoky quest]

indeed

[strange nova]

+1 for staying conceited forever

[true harness]

why?

[strange nova]

Forgot my sarcastic tonetag, that was meant to be a response to preocts message about growing but didn't want to ping 😄

[vapid jay]

anyone familiar with tensorflow?

[strange nova]

Wrong channel to get help, try #❓｜how-to-get-help or #python-discussion , even #data-science-and-ml

[vapid jay]

its gonna take forever there

[strange nova]

There's also a tensorflow discord

[vapid jay]

i just needed a quick solution to something man

[smoky quest]

just ask in the appropriate channel

[balmy mural]

There are people familiar with tensorflow, but they're significantly more likely to hang out in #data-science-and-ml than here, or you can create a help thread #❓｜how-to-get-help

[vapid jay]

thanks

😊😊😊

[hushed falcon]

Travelled 6000km to deploy all software above this line
goddam

[strange nova]

Bro went on a lord of the rings journey

[whole flare]

side quest complete

[harsh remnant]

Trade school for computer science. What do y’all think

[strange nova]

They have trade school for CS? First I've heard of it.

[hushed falcon]

I thought you just get a software engineering degree or something

[smoky quest]

can you give more context?

[harsh remnant]

It’s basically a school that focuses on actually getting a job and the necessary tools you need instead of the academics

I’m from British Columbia and there’s a school called BCIT and they have a computer program

[strange nova]

Sounds like clever marketing for a bootcamp

[smoky quest]

how does it compare to bootcamps?

[smoky quest]

ah you beat me to it

[old yew]

from where im from full time software engineer get about $25,680 per annum

is it worth it, with cs degree?

[smoky quest]

depends on the where. China is a different place than South Africa, or Brazil or Canada

[smoky quest]

In general, degrees are worth it and are great social elevators

[old yew]

hmm

thank you for clarifying

[strange nova]

Lmao let me talk to that

And what's the "dog lore?" section

Dog Degrasse Tyson

[balmy mural]

This is a really cool idea. I'm guessing some RAG implementation? What did you provide it as its knowledge base except for your CV?

[harsh remnant]

Can I chat with ur bot for fun

[nimble sapphire]

Can you people give me best ideas for cyber security field like tools stuff

[fringe sphinx]

Start with pins in #cybersecurity

[mental olive]

what is a good python code editor

is it vs code maybe replit ?

[fringe sphinx]

VSCode and pycharm are popular among professionals (neovim too, but I'd say more advanced users). Mu and thonny are good beginner editors

[mental olive]

thank you!

[pastel thunder]

ask it, why should I hire Lisan, and why I should I not hire him.
Would be interesting to see how it list your strengths and weakness.

[vapid jay]

is vscode free and opensource ?

[gritty rivet]

Yes but that's not a career question, you may be looking for #editors-ides

[sudden timber]

things that interest you, achievements you've made, and goals you have are always safe bets

is this like specifically for getting a job or just a general landing page?

credentials or certifications could also be an include but ig its redundant if you're putting it on your resume

maybe any of those you couldn't neatly fit onto your resume would be good

that would be awesome for sure

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe have the chatbot automatically fill that in dynamically?

[brazen island]

If you get hired because of this you gotta give me your first salary, cheers 🫂

[fringe sphinx]

Is it a spa or you have a backend?

[brazen island]

Are you still using lambda? What are you using instead?

As a certified Azure shill I'm pretty sure AWS must have the same thing as Azure app service (the containerized version). Comes with all you need like an API gateway and HTTPS

[harsh river]

as a certified all the big providers ™️ shill, they do

https://aws.amazon.com/elasticbeanstalk/

[regal axle]

I am really open to any job I think I would do well in. But I find it really hard to apply to this company whose software

[sets up] legal, finance, and back office business stack in minutes.
And is doing a ton of financial stuff + other things all with this tech stack
React, Typescript, NodeJS, Redis, CockroachDB
It just feels like this is going to be misserable. And they want you to scale their stuff up using TS. This just feels like a mistake - not going to apply.

[vapid jay]

AWS rips off open source. Azure rips of AWS

Most azure services are just a copy of aws services with the name changed

[brazen island]

Can I be honest and say I don't care? 😅 I simply use the most popular cloud provider in my region at work, which is Azure. If it were AWS, I'd use AWS.

[vapid jay]

I should have been clear. I didn't mean to say azure is shit. At the end of the day you pick whatever is in demand

AWS is the most popular cloud provider in my industry so I stick to it

[balmy mural]

It's also pretty country specific. I know some countries lean one way, other countries lean the other way

[vapid jay]

what's benefit of learning ts?

ihave seen many coders learning C++ as their 1st language
is it provide some more features?

[fringe sphinx]

You're asking about both ts and c++?

Why do you ask? Whats the context here? Wondering what to learn first?

[vapid jay]

im learning python currently and I want to explore new languages too
and like some good coders learned this language so i asked

[inner sorrel]

what is the startin salary for a python, javascript,html,css,sql programmer

[fringe sphinx]

They're all good, can't go wrong with learning. But don't feel like you need to.

[fringe sphinx]

Cmon friend, you know that's unanswerable

[inner sorrel]

like a range

[brazen island]

It depends on too many variables, including where you live. We have nothing to go off of

[balmy mural]

What your first language is isn't going to make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things. Focus on one language if you're still new. Figure out what language best solves a specific problem in a project you're working on to pick up a second language, or just pick up something that's used a lot in a domain you find interesting

[brazen island]

Based on the information you've given us all I can say is 0-150k USD, that's a range 🤷

[inner sorrel]

what languages are recommended for ethical hackers

[fringe sphinx]

Do you know any languages?

[inner sorrel]

for now python only

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe check pins in #cybersecurity ? Look at cybersecurity programs and what they teach

[inner sorrel]

ok

[balmy mural]

Ethical hackers generally use specific tools and don't necessarily write code. You'll want to know SQL, some scripting language, and then whatever language is used on the system you're doing pentesting on

[inner sorrel]

well i wana become a programmer too but i like ethical hacking

[near ocean]

What do you like about it?

[brazen island]

What I always found interesting about the US job market vs here is that the prevailing sentiment amongst companies is "outsource everything except your core business", especially when it comes to tech. The consequence is having the top x % of devs in consulting here, while I think it's really not the case stateside

[balmy spade]

Then explore both. You'll find the skills work together well. I know "ethical hacking" is the marketing buzzword of the year but it's just a reskinned info, cyber, or operation security. Devs are needed in the field just as much as other areas in tech.

[hearty island]

bro is speaking hieroglyphics (yes ik these aren't hieroglyphics)

[fringe sphinx]

It varies greatly. I know some firms who outsource nearly nothing, and others that that embrace that.

But, thinking about it, there's been a move away from outsourcing. If it's even adjacent to core business, firms are afraid of being exposed by outsourcing.

[vapid jay]

Most companies have now matured in their outsourcing approach

As someone who works in a outsourcing consultancy in India, the approach now seems to be a hybrid approach of mixed onshore and offshore teams

[brazen island]

I feel like the best model is outsourcing to a company willing to train you(r staff) and help do the first hires

[vapid jay]

This is what is happening nowadays. Most companies set up an indian subsidiary of their own company. This indian subsidiary does exclusive hiring on their behalf and train the staff

This approach gives a better quality control instead of using third party consultants like Accenture and TCS

[brazen island]

That's super interesting, TIL

[vapid jay]

It saves a ton of money for the american companies too because they no longer have to pay commissions to third party consultants

[brazen island]

The only time I had to work with an offshore team in India I'm pretty sure the cost outweighed the value. I needed authorisation from Denver (- 7-8h time difference) to ask India (+ 7-8h time difference) to give me access to resources etc. Asking a question took 2+ business days because of the time difference

[balmy mural]

Does Accenture have a branch in India?

[whole flare]

I think they do

[vapid jay]

Yeah. Even I have noticed this. Outsourcing your Ops team to different time zone is a terrible business strategy

Even we face the same issue when we need some authorization from our usa management but we gotta wait for 12 hours due to timezone differences

[brazen island]

Yup, from a Europe pov. I think it makes more sense to outsource to idk Bulgaria

[balmy mural]

I work for a consulting firm and our client is a bank. They have internal teams and other outsourced teams in other countries. Outside of the time-zone issues, having to work directly with these other teams poses a bit of a barrier if we can't clearly understand each other's accents during some meetings. Majority of communication with them happens via email/tickets, but that's not always the case

[vapid jay]

Yes. I am pretty sure more than 20% of Accenture world wide employees are indians

[balmy mural]

I would also not ever want to directly work for the bank though. From what I've talked to with developers directly employed by them, the work culture would be a significant downgrade

[vapid jay]

@brazen island @balmy mural There is one more reason why a lot of companies fail in outsourcing. This is because they use third party consultancy companies who rip off Americans for every dollar

Americans think just because they are paying $100 to the outsourcing company it means the indian employee is getting $100

In reality the indian employee is getting only $10-15 out of the $100 paid by Americans

Rest 80-85% is kept by the consultancy company as commission

This leads to only the most under qualified engineers who cannot get job anywhere else to join such companies

Good indian engineers generally never work in such companies

The western company is frustrated because they feel they are not getting their money's worth

The indian engineers are frustrated because they are being paid peanuts

The only entity profiting in this transaction is the middleman consultancy company

heyy guys. im working on a project for my university. anybody wanna see it ?

[brazen island]

this makes a lot of sense, good to know. 👀 Thanks!

[vapid jay]

where do i have the privileges to share my screen ?

[high axle]

anyone have a good resume template

I am in HS and my resume is a bit long I want to shorten it but all the templates are big

[vapid jay]

or shall we take this on the dms?

[peak halo]

Even if you're an accomplished high school student, chances are, most of what is on your resume isn't actually that important or can be condensed.

[whole flare]

https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs

[high axle]

I agree Im just looking for a template that makes the font a bit smaller and neat kinda like this. https://careers.dasa.ncsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/37/2023/07/State-M.-Engineer-Resume-Example.jpg

[high axle]

this is good

[whole flare]

LaTeX is based.

[vapid jay]

Jake's resume

Jake's resume is the first and last resume template you should ever need

[radiant vortex]

https://github.com/posquit0/Awesome-CV too

[high axle]

https://www.overleaf.com/latex/templates/jakes-resume/syzfjbzwjncs.pdf
this one?

where would certifications go?

[true harness]

could just make another section and list them just like the skills section

[balmy mural]

Certifications don't mean much in the industry, but I'd put them above or under technical skills

[vapid jay]

@high axle @true harness @balmy mural I normally follow this hirearchy experience > technology list > certification > personal projects

[high axle]

this is kinda more for my college apps, im still in HS. But im a payed intern for a mechanical engineering company and am using python and ai but im new

[balmy mural]

Do you need to send a CV for a college application?

[true harness]

for some, yeah

[vapid jay]

Damn

Is this how it works in USA?

[high axle]

yeah, not all colleges require a resume, but its always good to keep track of your experience and projects for the application proccess

[vapid jay]

This is wild

What can a high school kid put on his resume?

Best burger flipper at McDonald's? Best ticket seller at blockbuster?

[whole flare]

Depends on the industry i.e. Cybersecurity

[true harness]

extracurriculars, volunteering, etc

[vapid jay]

But won't that already be a part of your statement of purpose?

[true harness]

undergraduate applications in the US don't have a statement of purpose. and even for MS, no. the SOP is a focused document that won't include all that extra stuff

[vapid jay]

Okay now it makes sense

[balmy mural]

Cybersec is very different than software engineering. I know there's some important certs in cybersec that carry a lot of weight. I have a close friend working in cybersec currently studying for OSCP

[high axle]

I have two internships and one job

[whole flare]

👍

[balmy mural]

I did pretty much the same

[high axle]

and a couple self employeed business that I run, plus clubs, sports, leadership, volenteering

[vapid jay]

Is this like red hat certifications for linux?

[whole flare]

I've never heard of Red Hat certifications but the most popular are SANS or OffSec certifications

[balmy mural]

Our education system has a standardized education where everyone across the country writes the same exam for the subjects they take. So depending on what you want to study, university has some requirements on which subjects you took and what the minimum mark you had to get for it was. And then they rank/place people who apply and meet requirements

[radiant vortex]

The CompTIA ones are quite common

[whole flare]

also are yes.

[radiant vortex]

And as much as I hate to say it, CEH in India is very popular

[whole flare]

Ah.. yes it is indeed.

[balmy mural]

For us your year before final year weighs in since you apply with those grades, and then you get the spot provisionally pending your final exam's grades

[true harness]

imagine a standardized, national system for getting into college 😔

[balmy mural]

Yea, same here. And the people who grade the papers are different people than the ones employed at the school you went to

[high axle]

thats the same for our IB Exams. But for the SAT its completely digital now

I agree, but honestly I never really pushed to have a good resume, I kind of just found what Im good at and passionate about and had ideas. I ended up constructing a fairly good resume for a highscholer

[sand patio]

what we instead get is collegeboard 🥺

[high axle]

what i think is kinda messed up is how TOP 6% of our grade level gets automatic acceptance into our state colleges. Im someone who takes the highest level courses offered, our grade had the highest GPAs ever seen in our school history so even with a 106 u wont get top 6%

[sand patio]

lmao it's a similar situation for us

grades are incredibly inflated, and everyone takes a large amount of APs, so you need a pretty outlandish GPA to even have a chance at getting into thte top 10%

in all fairness, with how competitive a lot of the top universities are, you kinda do need to worry about this in high school.

it's a 50/50 as to whether I get into my state school, which is wild to me.

[high axle]

Yeah its insane now a days if your not nationally ranked in some extra curricular ur chances of getting an IVY acceptance is almost none

[sand patio]

I mean, this is only really true to a certain extent. Whether or not you go to an ivy league isn't going to make or break your life, but it does stand that you do have more doors opened/easier access to certain opportunities at higher level universities.

[kindred oyster]

a better uni most of the time means better quality of education , better placement opportunities , better research opportunities

can a person from not good uni also do that ? sure , but the person having the good UNI is gonna have lots more resources

[sand patio]

what about legacy students? Or feeder schools?

[kindred oyster]

the "normal uni" is doing lot of work here

[sand patio]

there's companies that solely hire top schools for certain things, I'm not saying it's the end of the world in terms of opportunities if you don't get into a top tier school, but it is true that you have more doors opened/certain opportunities more available to you if you do get into one.

[whole flare]

Does it?

[kindred oyster]

not to mention the great alumni network you get access to , the top class labs, and guidance of some of the best teachers

[sand patio]

it doesn't matter if they "suck" or not, it's still true regardless.

[kindred oyster]

a bad student is bad regardless of what UNI he goes to , good or bad

[whole flare]

Interesting..

[kindred oyster]

but for a regular , normal student , uni matters

you can go the exact same length without working as hard if you have a better uni

[sand patio]

sure, like I mentioned, it's not the end of the world if you don't get into a top tier uni, but that doesn't change the fact that top tier unis do have to a fair degree better access to higher level opportunities.

[high axle]

i want to marry a rich woman

[sand patio]

I never said it was the most important thing, I said it's an important thing

don't throw away all your free time as a kid, I agree with that, but there's merit in putting work towards building yourself up into a suitable candidate for a top level uni.

[high axle]

agreeed

[kindred oyster]

like , lets say two students want to work at one of the FAANG companies ( average CS student's dream )
one goes to a very good uni where FAANG comes to hire students , and other one goes to an average university where it doesnt

lets say they both have the same skill sets , both are great at coding and have same soft skills

who is going to have an easier time getting into google ?

[sand patio]

even for CS, now, the mid range unis are getting pretty competitive too. If you're in a competitive school, you're going to need to work harder in high school to get into those schools.

[pine sleet]

real

[high axle]

UT Austin plz accept me

[sand patio]

if I lived in a different county and went to a less competitive school, I wouldn't need the same level of grades, academic rigor, or focus on specific ECs to get into certain schools.

[kindred oyster]

the other student wont even have the chance to show resume to google since the company doesnt come to their uni

whereas student with better uni can just submit his resume during placements

[pine sleet]

got denied from UT 😔

[high axle]

UGHHI HATE UT

[kindred oyster]

thats not the point tho is it ?

[high axle]

I have a fairly decent resume its just my gpa is kinda bad its a i think 3.8 unweighted and 4.2 weighted

[kindred oyster]

you will have to put lots of effort into networking to get that referral

where as the other student doesnt have to do any of that

how is this not a crystal clear advantage of a better uni ?

[sand patio]

lmfao same here

[high axle]

i need to get my SAT up to the high 1400s and i think ill be a solid competitor

[sand patio]

I've got a 4.15 weighted and a 3.75 unweighted

[pine sleet]

my sat kinda carried

no ecs

[high axle]

I need to lock in for my essays too cuz i think those have a huge impact

[sand patio]

yeah they're pretty highly weighted

[true harness]

it is an opportunity simply because of the uni. even though you could get it another way, there is clearly a difference between unis

[pine sleet]

90% are just generic garbage so just do better

[sand patio]

strongest non academic thing

[high axle]

where do yall attend now? @pine sleet @sand patio

[pine sleet]

a state uni in texas

[kindred oyster]

i think you are with the mindset that
" if path A and path B can achieve the same results , there is no difference between path A and path B / it doesnt matter what path you choose"

my point is , sure they give the same results , but the path A is filled with all sorts of obstacles and death traps whereas path B is a F1 track

[sand patio]

I'm in high school lol, northern Virginia

[high axle]

A&M purdue and UTA UTD are main choices

[sand patio]

CMU is the dream 🥺

I've got like six targets, my state school is VTech

[pine sleet]

im going to a&m

[high axle]

Georgia tech.

[sand patio]

oh hey, I'm applying there too

Are you a junior?

[kindred oyster]

was your UNI one of the top unis ?

[high axle]

i think thats likeley where ima end up

[kindred oyster]

like you wont understand why a top uni is better unless you see the advantages it offers first hand

well it would depend on the country ig

a "top college" in X country might be wildy differnet tthan "top college" in Y country

[pine sleet]

dont go there for cs unless youre 100% sure you can get a 3.75 GPA or more on your first year

[high axle]

Top uni's allow you to find more doors. Your skill will take you through those doors.

[kindred oyster]

exactly , my point is , just the extra doors being there is an added advantage , but OP seems to disagree

[high axle]

wait why. Im quite sure i can but why

[kindred oyster]

no one is disagreeing with that

but you fail to see the point that a good university makes the door opening a lot more convinient

[high axle]

I agree. I would rather go to a top uni then a mediocre one. But if you didnt go to one you can easily achieve just as much yk. Its just abouy your work ethic which you know.

[pine sleet]

they have a system where you need to get a 3.75 gpa your first year to get into an engineering major

[fringe sphinx]

The only time I think any of this matters is if you're deciding between paying full price for a top uni vs a much lower cost choice.

[near ocean]

No its not and no you wont

[pine sleet]

but also you will get fucked over sooo

[high axle]

Ima get that shit.

[true harness]

sure. but e.g., mit has turing award winners, and generic state University doesn't. skill is not going to give you that difference in faculty

[high axle]

damn.

[kindred oyster]

( thankfully the top colleges here are government funded and kids dont have to give up top uni for money )

[pine sleet]

that's great, if you're sure then go for it

but just be weary that it will be harder than you think

[valid sundial]

Anyone here know MIps assembly?

[high axle]

True I hear mentaining a high college gpa is way harder than HS

[peak halo]

try asking your actual question about that in one of the off-topic channels

[kindred oyster]

agreed , but they shouldnt be advised to just ignore the part and be kids forever (or till 25 or whatever) , given today's competition , there is kind of no option but to be competitive

[fringe sphinx]

Think of it this way: you can do well in HS on raw intellect. Uni actually requires working hard. Many smart ppl have a hard time with that transition.

[high axle]

True. I believe that I work quite hard and whatever is thrown at me I can endure so i think ill be okay. If I fail i deserve it for being a bum

[sand patio]

and besides, coming from a high schooler, you can still have fun doing a lot of the stuff that makes you competitive for top universities.

[pine sleet]

@high axle this system is actually a fine reason to not go there, ngl. a lot of my friends from HS decided to turn down offers from a&m for that reason which is otherwise a good school, it's essentially a coin toss. just be aware of your options and situation and you'll be fine

[sand patio]

it's less about specific CS knowledge before you go into uni than it is doing stuff like assuming leadership positions, doing impactful extracurriculars, etc.

[kindred oyster]

personal experience cannot define a general advice for most of the people

do you work at a MAANG level company ?

[high axle]

Yeah, Its just out of my choices. I want to mainly stay instate unless I get into a insane uni like Stanford, GTech, CalTech UCB or Purdue. If i get rejected from UT austin A&M will be my main choice

[radiant vortex]

kids r just too dumb
You can't generalise like that, there's a lot of smart kids out there

[vapid jay]

Hey, I am applying for this company and managed to get to the second interview, but thinking about the future I've noticed the city I'm moving too is expensive, and I'm a broke undergraduate student. Will it be possible to ask the company for help in regards to financing or do I need to get a student loan for the first month? It's for my degree and they call it placement year

[fringe sphinx]

Never heard of that for entry level. Mind telling us the city? If you say LA or NYC, may want to reconsider.

[sand patio]

dude I'd like to try and stay in state but I might not have the option, my state school has been kind of wack in terms of admissions lately

[fringe sphinx]

(Or commute)

[high axle]

what state?

[vapid jay]

It's UK

[sand patio]

Virginia, Virginia tech specifically

[vapid jay]

but the company is situated in Cambridge (I call it the city of knowledge 😉 )

[fringe sphinx]

Many state school CS programs are massively over subscribed. Same with my state u, cs had a single digit acceptance rate, iirc

[sand patio]

it's a 50/50 even for over qualified applicants 😭

[fringe sphinx]

Uk or Mass?

[sand patio]

yeah 😔 tech over accepted during COVID

[kindred oyster]

sure its not everything , but its still a lot . maybe its not much to you , but for an average CS student , being into MAANG is a dream
would you not have been better off if you had gone to a uni where top company hires ?

i think you have got the skills to be at a top level company , why are you not there yet ?
where as a fresher kid from a top university directly joins a MAANG company
is that not a difference ??

i do not mean this is personal attack , but its the fact of the matter 🤷‍♂️

[vapid jay]

United Kingdom

[high axle]

check if there are any out of state schools taht offer in state tuition. I think LSU offers in state for texas applicants maybe theres something like that for you. Thats the same with UT austin now that its a top 8 uni

[sand patio]

doesn't need to be worldwide, you can certainly help out your community

hell, helping a small demographic of people in a local setting can look decent on college apps

[radiant vortex]

average of what? and no, you can't generalise because that statement about kids being "too dumb" (<18) it's just wrong lol

[sand patio]

you don't need to cure cancer

[true harness]

there have been cpython core devs in high school

[radiant vortex]

you don't give young people enough credit tbh

[vapid jay]

Also, does anyone here know what tech scholars are? I'm presuming they're just high-school kids who are doing extra-curricular activities with the interns the company hired.

[fringe sphinx]

My son's U is same cost as his state U post-merit $$

Might actually be less, and it's out of state

So, grades matter besides acceptance

One of his friends got a full ride

[kindred oyster]

i have told you that we are not discussing about your preferences
i am not saying "why are you not at google ? " , if you dont want to good for you
but most people want to go there , and telling them that "uni doesnt matter , an average uni is fine" is kind of misleading

[true harness]

you can't just say "it's not possible" and ignore exceptions

[sand patio]

a large part of it is doing stuff, "impactful" doesn't mean you need to change the world, but some sort of tangible measure of change or improvement isn't that uncommon

[high axle]

Did he get academic scholarship or financial aid? Thats pretty insane he must be quite smart.

[sand patio]

I know someone who got into CMU and our state school, it costed roughly the same for both due to fin aid and whatnot

[fringe sphinx]

He's smart, but not -that- great a student... but did a few extracurriculars including taking some college courses over the HS summer

[fringe sphinx]

That's merit (academic), not financial aid

[vapid jay]

Honestly, the extracurriculars does help a student who isn't academically gifted. Helpful to show passion in the field they're struggling to perform well in. Of course I know him.... He's me.

[mellow olive]

we gotta be str8

[true harness]

¯_(ツ)_/¯. but the idea is that college will give opportunity to have real impact

[high axle]

My gpa is around a 3.8 unweighted and 4.2 weighted. My sat is mid, but i have quite a good list of extracurriculars. I currently work for a upcoming company in the oil and gas industry as a payed marketing intern using LLMS to conduct market research. Would you say that it could be possible for me to get merit?

[fringe sphinx]

That's why i say the college 'tier' only really matters when you're deciding between a high end full cost vs 1/4 cost (post aid) second tier

[fringe sphinx]

As far as I saw, everybody got -some- merit from some schools... where and how much and what 'tier' is what varies

[vapid jay]

I cannot concur with that statement. The university they attended can substantially be a deciding factor for a-lot of jobs.

[fringe sphinx]

That's what makes the decision hard: $80k for xyz school vs 25k for another is a really tough decision

[sand patio]

our entire point has been that a higher level university opens up additional opportunities, and makes it easier to get into certain positions from the get go; this is independent from how smart a given student is, you can still be successful regardless, but the increase in opportunity is still there.

[high axle]

If i think logically. I see a kid who went to Stanford vs a kid who went to U of H engineering, likely before the interview im gonna have a bias for stanford kid. But if the interview goes way better for the kid from u of h he will likely have a similar chance

[high axle]

ohh so its like automatic they just select the merit amount

[kindred oyster]

sure
but i wholeheartedly disagree with your take that " uni doesnt matter " and " you dont need to worry about your future till 25 , go play fortnite or smth "
a kid who is say 16 IN A PERFECT WORLD shouldnt be made to worry about his future as today's kids are , but we live in today's world , and in this world , it does matter , and being prepared early on does make lot of difference
there will always be those kids who are from a no name university that through their sheer will power and determination will do miraculous things , but that doesnt make it a generalized advice for all the kids

its like, telling kids to drop out of college because elon musk also dropped out and he did great stuff because he had the skills , which is not a good advice 99% of the times

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, there's different types. Theres automatic merit, then there's grants and things you apply for, then there's need based financial aid

[true harness]

some things are simply not available at generic state uni. I can go to MIT and talk to the cofounder of akamai that teaches there. you can't do that any other uni

[vapid jay]

Some Universities amongst the likes of Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge etc have a reputation of delivering high-caliber students. Suppose a student that graduated from that respective University appear to have 'less IQ', companies trust in their abilities in delivering their needs. Since their assignments/work tend to be a whole lot more tougher than traditional work at other universities. Which then makes sense why their GPA is getting a beating.

[high axle]

okay, I will definitely look into to help my dad out

[kindred oyster]

i was disengaged , that was just my concluding say
and those are your words , not mine , you said that it doesnt matter

[fringe sphinx]

Grades, Sat school, extracurriculars, college courses (you can take as a hs student over summer) are all factors.

[sand patio]

I'd try to bump up your sat score while you have the time 👀 and start on your essays early

[high axle]

i want to take an engineering course but im kinda loaded with work rn. Do you know of any perhaps decent python courses

im looking at this EDX one but thats not a UNI course.

[sand patio]

a 16 year old should worry about college, or rather, have some degree of awareness about where they stand in the application process, and how they are as a candidate

[fringe sphinx]

Your local state u offers a bunch of online for credit classes.

[cedar temple]

25 is to late is better act after 18 abt me

[high axle]

bet thanks

[sand patio]

having leadership is a good way to be competitive for universities

if you want to be competitive, you should worry about doing that.

sure, but it's still true

[kindred oyster]

in addition to the regualr "student stuff" 🥴

[sand patio]

It's not perfect, but it's the reality of the situation

and also, competitiveness varies pretty incredibly depending on your region

what can you do?

[fringe sphinx]

Leadership definitely would look good on a resume too. I think that's a reasonable plus.

It's a maturity signal.

[high axle]

Leadership shows your ability to manage groups of people and organize events. Your knowledge means nothing if you cant apply it to society.

[sand patio]

I'm in a very competitive area, if I want to get into anywhere that's not a low tier state school, im going to need to focus on this sort of thing to beef up my applications.

[fringe sphinx]

I've had more engineers flame out for social reasons than technical.

[sand patio]

I'm not sure what your point is, wording it differently won't make the situation go away

[fringe sphinx]

In fact, I can only think of two engineers laid off for pure 'technical performance' reasons

[sand patio]

the system isn't perfect, but I can't just ignore it and put aside my prospects for college

[fringe sphinx]

Don't hate the game?

[sand patio]

dude, I don't think it's a good thing, but it's part of what you need to do in order to be competitive

[fringe sphinx]

Let's talk about something else. How's your resume chatbot?

[kindred oyster]

~~ whats the color of your buggatti ? ~~

okay ? why are you telling me ? just block

[high axle]

I think the people who are doing side hustles such as myself are doing it so that college is more of an option. Its not to help get into college but to help make it so i dont REQUIRE it

[fringe sphinx]

Let's move on from that convo (but I think point wasn't not to do it, but it shouldn't be an expectation... )

[high axle]

Yeah I agree, I gtg work now

[silver jacinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCzOCnsECv4

[silver jacinth]

tbh you just need to sustain yourself for a few more years until the gov introduces ubi

then money won't matter as everything will be digital and the us will clear the deficit by implementing a new currency.

[peak halo]

I think UBI would eventually become necessary as autonomy proceeds. But I don't think it's on the horizon. At all.

If we do get UBI in the next 15 years, I think it would be the result of a social upheaval. Not our existing institutions operating as they are.

[silver jacinth]

well it'll be implemented when fednow matures, as discussed in their original whitepaper

[peak halo]

What white paper?

[silver jacinth]

spending will be regulated, gov will track your purchases and control how the eocnomy works

[peak halo]

If we're talking about the United States, I can't imagine that happening.

Congress won't do it because they don't do stuff. If the administration tries to implement it, the supreme court will find a way to 6-3 it

[silver jacinth]

2021 whitehouse fednow document

fednow is already running since 2023, so it has already started lol

although they are doing rollout approaches as they scale with more banks

[modest pawn]

Does anyone know how to get my first intership with python I m studying computer science in college and I have holidays I wanted to join up a company local or remote. I have tried to find it on LinkedIn but all the job postings have 100 application how do I start

[silver jacinth]

you'll probably have to attend free internships, where you'll be unpaid

[modest pawn]

I don't mind as long as I gain skills

[silver jacinth]

yeah just message the HR directly for the listing

[summer roost]

that depends a lot on the country you're in. unpaid internships for computer science positions are virtually unheard of in the US, for instance

[silver jacinth]

I had to take one for my co op in canada, all the unis around me had to as well. The usa has unpaid internships too from my search on linkedin

[summer roost]

they exist, but they're a tiny fraction of all available internships

[modest pawn]

So should I change my search to US or another' country

[summer roost]

you should look for internships in the country that you're studying in

[silver jacinth]

How many individuals do you know from your peers that have gotten internships?

[tacit bone]

I like your mindset, your live in a wolf-like food chain.

survival of the fittest, don't hate the player, hate the game.

[summer roost]

high dozens, maybe low hundreds. I can't recall any of them having taken an unpaid internship at any point, off the top of my head.

[modest pawn]

I don't think anyone I m in first year of college but i don't want to waste my holidays

[summer roost]

internships are much more common for 2nd or 3rd (or 4th) year students than 1st year students

you may want to reach out to your university's career office to see if they can offer any advice about how best to get internships

[sand patio]

to be fair, I don't agree with the whole "grind mindset" thing, and the whole competitive nature of the college application situation is less than ideal.

[summer roost]

other than that, yeah, applying to lots of positions is your best option.

[true harness]

this summer, i know there are about 100 others interning at my company

[silver jacinth]

meanwhile canada is a wasteland

[modest pawn]

In my country there are paid internship, people have to pay for intership because of competition

[summer roost]

what country is that?

[silver jacinth]

https://montreal.citynews.ca/2024/03/29/student-protest-in-montreal-over-unpaid-internships/

[modest pawn]

India

We should protest against paid internship huh 😕

[silver jacinth]

you have to pay for internships?

[modest pawn]

Yes

[silver jacinth]

that is not good

[pastel thunder]

But there are all kinds of internship, just have to work harder

[silver jacinth]

nope not here

[pastel thunder]

I am indian too

[silver jacinth]

I'm in canada, born here and everything. I know people at CN, ibkr and other companies and they couldn't hire me since they were laying people off.

[fringe sphinx]

Oh that sucks, sounds exploitative

[modest pawn]

Can u tell where to look

[silver jacinth]

most of the companies here employ very small amounts of people, basically cramming 1 person with the work of 10 with a low salary

[fringe sphinx]

If it's easy to get 1 person to do the work of 10, then is it really the work of 10?

[pastel thunder]

Start ups easier
Faang need dsa

[silver jacinth]

one person I know does recruiting, hr and manages the companies cloud infrastructure

[modest pawn]

How do I find start ups

[silver jacinth]

for sub 100k cad a year

[fringe sphinx]

Can they get a better paying job?

[silver jacinth]

look up salaries in canada

[fringe sphinx]

Not to be rude, but isn't this basic economics?

[pastel thunder]

This i have noticed, first hand,
Even managers say, for same company in usa, work life balance is valued more in us office.
Thats why at few position major mnc is firing from us and hiring in india

[silver jacinth]

companies here pay 1/2 to 1/5 the salary than the usa

[silver jacinth]

the only internship I was offered was for 20$/hr as a software engineer and had to do the following"

[fringe sphinx]

Huh, that was bigger than I wanted an emoji to be 🙂

[pastel thunder]

americans have it easy they say

[summer roost]

20$/hr isn't so bad, I'd think

[true harness]

Canadian?

[silver jacinth]

20$ cad, so like 14.5$usd

[pastel thunder]

And that motivates few to go for mscs lol

[fringe sphinx]

Still, doesn't basic economics say the value of something is determined by what ppl will pay for it?

[modest pawn]

Where do I find start ups

[fringe sphinx]

Otherwise, we're just talking about income disparity across developed countries

[summer roost]

how do jobs in, say, food service compare to that? fast food or waiting tables, etc?

[silver jacinth]

the role was for working on vr haptics and simulations for integration with their stuff

[fringe sphinx]

You need Indian startups, not any startup, really hard to say

[fringe sphinx]

Again, being blunt: so what?

[silver jacinth]

in the usa that job would be 120k usd rather than 40k cad/ 26k usd

[fringe sphinx]

If your friend couldn't find a better job, then both your friend and the company benefitted

[fringe sphinx]

But they're not in the USA.

[summer roost]

for an internship, no, it wouldn't

[silver jacinth]

internship full time contract for 40hrs a week

[pastel thunder]

Productivity also matters

[pastel thunder]

Indian offices of mnc are more productive

[fringe sphinx]

Like, I get why someone might say 'equal pay for equal work' but even in US, Bay Area salaries are far different than Mid west. Probably also another 2x diff

[summer roost]

it's not necessarily exploitative for jobs in other countries to pay significantly less than in the US, anyway. The US's pay for SWEs is a symptom of income inequality more broadly. It's not a bad thing for other countries to have less extreme income inequality

[silver jacinth]

it is within canada

I could work remotely from canada in the usa if I wanted to. Then I'll get high salaries since I won't require a visa

[summer roost]

that sounds criminal

[silver jacinth]

but I'll have to manage two banks and existing capital gains

[pastel thunder]

You are forgetting about productivity

[true harness]

you would not earn significantly more than in your local area. why would the company pay you more than they need to?

[silver jacinth]

it requires a job offer and if you're a canadian citizen you just need a residence located in the usa to apply for residence

so the company can claim you live on x property and you can work there

[summer roost]

you can work there, yes

[silver jacinth]

yes from canada

[summer roost]

no, from your residence in the US

[silver jacinth]

nope

the law doesn't require that lol, just need to have a residence

[summer roost]

that sounds wrong to me. You probably want to consult an immigration attorney before embarking on that plan

[silver jacinth]

it can be a shed or anything

[silver jacinth]

I know people that have done this and its completely legal

[summer roost]

I know that my company will absolutely not allow me to work remotely from another country without telling them that I'm doing so, or for an extended period of time

[silver jacinth]

but the EU is easier as a canadian to work there since you won't need to work around the visa thing

3months + basically the same residence thing

[summer roost]

I guess I don't see the point you're making. If you're saying that immigration law and work authorization isn't a problem for you, and you can easily and legally make much more money by getting hired for a job in another country, then - just do that?

[silver jacinth]

but I am saying I shouldn't need to do that. But there's no good jobs here for us, couldn't even get a paid internship

[pastel thunder]

Try well found

[balmy mural]

Most countries I'm aware of require you to work a minimum of 180 days from within the country of your employer due to tax reasons as long as they aren't skirting some laws that you would not show up as a normal employee on their books

[silver jacinth]

not for the usa and eu

[summer roost]

I don't understand the premise - why shouldn't you need to do that? if it's easy and legal and it gets you much better quality of life, why wouldn't you choose to do it? And if you can do it, why wouldn't everyone? And if everyone did it, wouldn't it drive wages up for Canadian companies, once they can't find any workers anymore because the pay is too low?

[balmy mural]

Definetly the EU. My partner lives there are cannot work from abroad for more than 180 days per year

[silver jacinth]

there's no law for it

[balmy mural]

There are tax laws regarding it.
https://grenzinfo.eu/en/infopage/companies-in-the-neighbouring-country/companies-in-the-netherlands/183-day-rule/

[silver jacinth]

But this is from canada

also that law is for taxes if you're only within certain proxies for europe

[summer roost]

I'm not a lawyer, but it sounds extremely illegal to me to give a company a US residence address for tax purposes, and then work all year from somewhere else

[silver jacinth]

completely legal as you're a resident

[balmy mural]

Yes, that website specifies Netherl;ands and Germany. Here's the official tax website for the Netherlands:
https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/bldcontenten/belastingdienst/business/payroll_taxes/you_are_not_established_in_the_netherlands_are_you_required_to_withhold_payroll_taxes/when_must_you_withhold_payroll_taxes1/tax_conventions

[summer roost]

you're a resident of the place where you live

if you don't live there, you are not a resident

[silver jacinth]

yes, if you own a plot of land its valid

[summer roost]

that isn't what "residence" means, or what it means to reside

[brazen island]

Europe is just that much different. Me and the vast majority of my peers only decided what to do 3 months before the first semester started

[balmy mural]

If you work for more than 183 days from abroad, you do not pay tax in the Netherlands and cannot therefore be employed as a single person. You need to skirt the laws by being a "corporation" providing a service, and that "corporation" has a sole employee - you

[silver jacinth]

you get the green card status from the employer job offer, then you'll be required to reside within the country for 31 working days. Then you can leave the usa back to canada and get resident status with the land you bought in the states being your residence for your job, although you aren't required to report any days past 31 days

[summer roost]

you can't "get resident status" based on a place where you don't reside

residency is based on your place of residence

[brazen island]

Part of it is because we don't have entry exams and so on. For the select programs that do (medicine) there's a similar grind to what people do in the US I guess

[silver jacinth]

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/international-taxpayers/substantial-presence-test

[dense mesa]

That's different lol

[silver jacinth]

I know 3 people that have done this exact thing though

[dense mesa]

Doesn't make it legal 👍

[silver jacinth]

its the easiest way to get dual citizenship status

[summer roost]

right -

you must be physically present in the United States (U.S.) on at least 31 days during the current year, and 183 days during the 3-year period that includes the current year and the 2 years immediately before that

[balmy mural]

This link also has a 183 day rule. You need to be physically present in USA for 183 days

[silver jacinth]

but the documents you go through only check for 31 days, then you can just lie about the other stuff as you'll state its "commute" days

they only check 31 days

[summer roost]

yes, you can commit a crime

[balmy mural]

So, lying on tax documentation, which is illegal. Which we've been saying

[silver jacinth]

its literally a checkbox for the 183 days

[summer roost]

and checking that box when it is untrue is a crime

and runs the risk of getting you banned from travel to the US if you're caught, FWIW

[silver jacinth]

well those 3 people didn't get the irs after them

[true harness]

this argument is like saying, "it's not illegal if you don't get caught" 🗿

[dense mesa]

Additionally not a great idea to advocate for breaking the law when your linkedin is connected to your profile

[silver jacinth]

I am pretty sure there's at least a million people that did this from canada

[summer roost]

cool story. What are their names, btw? I think the IRS has whistleblower rewards...

[silver jacinth]

joe biden

[balmy mural]

I'll go rob a bank. As long as I don't get caught it's fine

[silver jacinth]

its impossible to get caught though since its just a checkbox

[summer roost]

I'm pretty sure that if a million Canadian residents were breaking the law to work illegally for US companies, the IRS would have taken notice. But it doesn't actually matter, either way - whether or not you get caught is irrelevant. It's illegal.

[dense mesa]

Dude your employer is visible from your discord profile. Stop advising people to break the law

[silver jacinth]

I can advise companies to dodge taxes, that is employable

[summer roost]

"dodging" taxes general means working within legal and regulatory frameworks to minimize the amount of tax paid through legal loopholes

[silver jacinth]

yes and it is legal as 183 days are communitive days aka driving into the usa

[true harness]

Do not count the following as days of presence in the U.S. for the substantial presence test:

Days you commute to work in the U.S. from a residence in Canada or Mexico if you regularly commute from Canada or Mexico.

[summer roost]

in any event, let's shut this conversation down. This is running well past what's OK to talk about on this server, and strays well into rule 5 territory

I'd strongly recommend you not work illegally, but if you're going to do it, I'd also strongly suggest you not tell everyone on the internet about how you'll never get caught

[silver jacinth]

Category 6. Alien residents of Canada or Mexico who frequently commute between that country and the United States for employment, and whose wages are subject to the withholding of U.S. tax.

[brazen island]

So, any tips / strategies you guys like applying while coaching juniors and/or interns?

[silver jacinth]

they don't really check that I think

[summer roost]

I answer way more than what they asked. When they ask a question, I tend to give much, much broader context than the specific answer to the question that they asked

[summer roost]

again, stop advising people commit federal crimes.

[silver jacinth]

because you don't need a permit and there's no documentation against it

[brazen island]

I'm toying with the idea of asking the next batch I'll coach to switch off copilot (of course, non binding, if they want to keep it, they can keep it)

[summer roost]

to be explicit: I will mute you if you continue advising people to commit federal crimes

[silver jacinth]

Example. Maria Perez lives in Mexico and works for Compañía ABC in its office in Mexico but was temporarily assigned to the firm's office in the United States from February 1 through June 1. On June 2, Maria resumed employment in Mexico. For 69 workdays, Maria commuted each morning from home in Mexico to work in Compañía ABC's U.S. office and returned home in Mexico on each of those evenings. For 7 workdays, Maria worked in Maria’s firm's Mexico office. For purposes of the substantial presence test, Maria does not count the days commuting to work in the United States because those days equal more than 75% (0.75) of the workdays during the working period (69 workdays in the United States divided by 76 workdays in the working period equals 90.8%).

For their example, it uses the honor system

[summer roost]

lying on federal forms is a federal crime. It doesn't use "the honor system", it uses the legal system

[true harness]

huh. my company gets copilot but i don't know anyone that uses it

[near ocean]

I think it might be a good idea to use copilot at the end of a task and critique its output

[silver jacinth]

lawyers defend those guilty, same legal system

[summer roost]

last chance to drop the topic

[balmy mural]

This is super helpful. I haven't coached anyone myself, but when I was still asking my seniors for help regularly when starting at my company, I did not have a full grasp on the system, so my question could be answered, but I'd have to ask another question 1 hour later about something I wasn't aware of since I was stuck on what I could see during my first question

[brazen island]

My precedent for this is I gave them a basic task to do, downloading the 5 most populous cities on Wikipedia using async. I wanted to see how they approached it, if they defaulted to using blocking IO libs, if they use TaskGroup / gather correctly and so on. What actually happened is I'm pretty sure they just keyed in the task in copilot and it was solved in <1h.

When it came to their actual project I reviewed some code and it was totally clear they didn't know how it worked

[summer roost]

hm. sounds like a good reason to avoid giving them greenfield work

[true harness]

or any work 🗿

[brazen island]

Oh, that's an interesting perspective. I always gave them greenfield, sandboxed work

[summer roost]

if the greenfield work you give them doesn't help to develop the skills that are needed for the job - like an understanding of how the code functions and how it might be maintained over time as new features are needed! - then it's doing them a disservice, I suppose

[silver jacinth]

I mean just ask them to write up documentation for someone that doesn't know it

[brazen island]

Yeah, in hindisght I 100 % agree with this

[summer roost]

I definitely agree that the work needs to be carefully scoped, but you may need to look for something carefully scoped but extending existing real world code instead of greenfield

[balmy mural]

At some point in the past, based on old documentation I read, someone set up a scenario and had new devs write the endpoints, pages, workflow, etc. using our frameworks and deploy it to a small environment that was setup for this. Taught them how things interacted with each other inside our ecosystem. I do wonder why it was discontinued

[true harness]

in my current internship i'm just getting mildly non-critical tickets that anyone else would work on

[brazen island]

I mostly do it to insulate myself. I had them make something that is super valuable for us, but something we'd take into account their lessons learn, throw it away and start over

[silver jacinth]

at one of my past internships I just managed the guys cloud network stuff and we built a simple react app for his thing

the guy was not tech literate at all, which was another issue

[silver jacinth]

copilot doesn't manage large project contexts well fyi

it can only do about 8k tokens if you're lucky, usually its 4k tokens due to demand

so if you make them create a big project, they'll be forced to learn it

[summer roost]

that's the best sort of work to give interns, I think - stuff that the team would like to accomplish, but that doesn't need to get done soon

[brazen island]

I use copilot as an auto complete but all the architecture/thinking comes from me. It's definitely not a replacement for thinking, but I think they sincerely believed it was 😅

But yeah, I think if I had more code / an existing project I could've onboarded them on, it would've worked better

[merry dew]

Hey guys teach me python or tell me a good course

[silver jacinth]

until nvidia's NIMs mature more, copilot is more of a code completion tool. When you train it on a codebase, then it becomes more usable but there's no tech rn for that use case

[true harness]

yeah. I'm glad it's not critical 😩. it took me a few weeks just to fix some tests. but I think I'm learning so that's nice

[summer roost]

how are you finding the experience of internships relative to your expectations before you got your first one?

[brazen island]

When I took my job I replaced someone that had a ton of code and 0 docs, comments or tests, working with that codebase and extending it was a super valuable experience. I'm sure the situation is better at your place but even so

[silver jacinth]

Mine was easy since I managed cloud stuff in the past

When I was swapped to the college I did basically nothing

[true harness]

hm good question. tbh it's not as cool as I thought. might just be that my team is kinda boring

[harsh river]

Where do you work? If that's basic tasks then I want to apply

[brazen island]

It wasn't actual work, it was a sanity check (that in hindsight I failed)

[harsh river]

An interesting sanity check, lots of people don't know how async works, unless your work involves async in some way

[brazen island]

Both were aspiring backend devs. Fwiw I don't really care if they know something before starting, I just want them to maximize their growth / not take it for granted for the most part 🙂

[fringe sphinx]

Ime, the devs with web / js background get it fairly quickly, and the Java devs don't ( at first)

[brazen island]

When I was an intern I asked $senior so many questions. My proudest moment of the internship was after a couple of months he was actually also asking me questions (in earnest) like "hey, how would you implement X?"

[strange nova]

Wooo Javascript rulez!!!

I hate design patterns 😇 except for monad (response to billybobby)

[summer roost]

this is #career-advice

[true harness]

my goal this summer is to get about to the point where I'm as productive as an entry level engineer

[brazen island]

I think you'll easily get there, by virtue of wanting to learn etc.

[strange nova]

Psvm will get there, or anyone can in a summer?

Are videos like "I learned programming and got a job in four months" legit?

[brazen island]

Yes and no.

Supply and demand in the field vary. I know people personally that studied say MSc pol sci, did some aptitude tests and got paid to reskill into being a SWE. From that perspective it's "true". I don't think this is happening in the current market as much as it did say 5 years ago though.

Learning programming in 4 months is downright impossible. It takes years to get really good, but the beauty of programming is that you can do fun things at various levels of aptitude. It's like how you don't need to be a world renowned painter to paint by number.

[white relic]

As fun and inspiring anecdotes? Sure.
As career advice? No.

[strange nova]

I certainly like the analogy of artist vs programmer and think about it often!

Those videos are painful, they make me think "wow I must be weak to not have just banged out sick projects in the first six months and be done" 😂

Job market is still harder now than then right?

[brazen island]

Don't take those videos seriously. They're just setup fodder to sell you some stupid course as the punchline

[true harness]

i know people that have transitioned careers from something else to tech in a very short time, but they had existing education, experience, to help them

[brazen island]

To put it into perspective, I did not study comp sci but some other adjacent STEM field and after programming for years, including multiple as a job my "to-read" / "things I ought to know in more detail" lists are still very very long. If you want to learn programming making peace with the fact that it's not something you can learn conclusively in a short space of time is important

[silver jacinth]

I agree programming is more about engineering, rather than coding

all job markets are bad besides a few sectors due to elevated interest rates for a long time

[full summit]

guys why i cant talk in call

[smoky quest]

that's something to test prior to your interviews.
Is it about google meet, zoom, microsoft teams, other?

[full summit]

on discord

[smoky quest]

you do have interviews on discord?

[full summit]

i just need help for a script

[smoky quest]

this is the wrong channel for these questions. See #❓｜how-to-get-help

[strange pumice]

if you are determined why not, tho uyou need to be specialized

[strange nova]

You could use making a course and getting clout for making a video about getting hired in X months as your motivation

I could start now and make a video about becoming a pro programmer in 1 month 💀

[kindred oyster]

!rules money

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[kindred oyster]

this is not a hiring board

[summer roost]

!cban @wraith gust Joined just to advertise paid work, and persisted after being repeatedly told we don't allow that

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @wraith gust permanently.

[smoky quest]

h1b quotas are also most likely already exhausted by now. Which means waiting for 2025

yeah L1 do happen. It does require you to work for them first for a full year.
The visa is also less advantageous than a h1b

though at this time, the critical part is getting sponsored for any visa. But in a year, who knows

[brazen island]

Gonna drink a beer when you land the job

Idk, I know a couple from India. Both highly educated, guy did a master's here, wife did it in the US. Been doing long distance for a while to see who moved where. The US option is so unfeasible that I think they'll end up moving here even though it's a suboptimal move

Yeah, I don't get the details but she's working and did the visa lottery a couple of times, missed out on permanent residency and can't leave the country or so.

Meanwhile, here you just need to have worked in the country for 5 years (years as a student count half) and you're in for life + you can bring a spouse over.

[smoky quest]

India is also one of the worst country to apply visa in the USA from

[brazen island]

When are you going to wrap up the MSc? Do you put it on your resume? (Out of curiosity)

I did an extra master's (I already have one, this one was for fun) except the thesis but got disinterested at the end 🥴 . I never mention it, I always wonder if it'd increase or decrease my odds in an interview

Yup, I noticed that I got practically zero questions related to education this time around (even though my degree is only semi relevant)

I did quant business (think actuaries, operations research, logistics optimization, estimating the ROI of marketing initiatives, ...) with a major in data/ML

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[brazen island]

Nah, it has the same problem as physics. I group all of them into the category of "CS adjacent stem" and the common denominator is that the average graduate can't really code

[kindred oyster]

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[brazen island]

I can assure you, the ML courses I did in that degree were with pen and paper even though they were from the comp sci dept 🤓. As in, doing backprop, variational inference, pagerank, ... with a calculator

Yup, exactly why doing projects in your spare time as a student is important imo

[compact spoke]

Any courses yall know to start with competitive programming in python? (I know python is slow but i wont go for any hackathons.. its just to master python because in data analysis i barely use python and almost forgot it)

[winged summit]

neetcode if you want to get started on leetcode/dsa

Do you guys think it's worth finishing my bachelors if I have 2 YoE as a CRUD web software dev atm? I finished calc 2, dsa, computer architecture, etc before, just stopped after I got a job for financial reasons. I'm in the USA. I could just take a few courses my company does $5500/y tuition reimbursement. I work at a pretty low tier company atm with bad salary bands. I think at worst it will help me stay consistent on upskilling.

Would probably do it at WGU or something because I can't attend classes in person with a full time work schedule

[radiant wigeon]

i just started leetcode, what exactly does this 42.9% acceptance mean? like what is acceptance, should it be high or low for me

[winged summit]

% of your submissions that passed all test cases iirc

[radiant wigeon]

but i passed all testcases, like all the problems i did, were correct for all testcases

[placid hill]

So, I'm in a bit of a dilemma

[past sail]

how did you get to python

[placid hill]

This isn't really Python related, but anyway - I'm learning Rails, mostly to keep it in my arsenal (an extra item for the resume also). The other reason is I have a small app idea that I want to implement. Eventually I want to get a backend job with preferably Golang, but I just thought I would try Rails.

Is this bad? "Jack of all trades, master of one" or "Jack of all trades, master of none" - I don't know which one applies here. Is it better if I just work on getting extremely good at one technology (I know Go pretty well) or does it not hurt to try other things too? I want to know from a purely career perspective. (I'm still on the look for my first job!)

[winged summit]

If you don't have a job stick to one stack and build cool stuff while targeting specific roles imo

Chances are if you're cool and get a referral a lot of places will train you to work in another stack and it gives you more time to focus on more universal/transferable stuff than maybe hitting the same stack they want

[molten parcel]

Jack of all trades, master of one

[winged summit]

Jack of all trades master of one sounds cool but realistically you cannot target every back end/front end tech, what that actually means is like be good at every aspect of the stack it doesn't mean learn every possible tool to work on a front or backend

Just a waste of time to be mediocre at both Go and Rust and Nodejs, if you want to learn nodejs as you start to keep it simple then branch out to go later on that would be fine ig, but anything more than that when you haven't already secured a job is just adding more unnecessary baggage, I would honestly just do MERN and fish for referrals if you're having an issue getting offers

[white relic]

Knowing multiple languages and frameworks does not make you a jack of all trades. Your "trade" is backend development. Yes there are differences between stacks but if you are a competent developer, you see those as constraints on your design and not the design itself. Good software engineering isn't found in only knowing one tool.

Now, is it better to go for breadth or depth, when looking for your first job - that's a legitimate question, but IMO you need a mix of both. Breadth will get you more interviews but depth will get you the job. Having Rails on your résumé might not be impressive by itself but it might get you an interview with someone who you can impress with your Python expertise.

[hearty island]

lessss fucking go

[white relic]

So, no, it is not bad to learn multiple stacks. There might be a point where you see diminishing returns but the number is not 2

[placid hill]

Yea, I suppose it doesn't hurt. Though Go is not my first language, nor is it second.. anyway

I started with PHP a while back, then did Python and now Go. All of these I've used extensively. So I was just wondering if it's really worth it for me to go into another dimension just now.

[hearty island]

i might hear back about the interview i did on friday this week

[placid hill]

"worth it" as in - my goals were to see how Ruby's battle tested design and structure works. Though Ruby is a bit intimidating with all it's tricks and syntax sugar 😬

[neat nova]

Hello guys, I’m currently still in high school but my goal is to become a game developer at Supercell ( a mobile games company) what route should I take to becoming a game developer? What would you recommended studying please help guide me, and Thank you.

[turbid pewter]

Hey m8, as a former game dev, I kinda vouch for the roadmap.sh path there. It may look daunting with all those but following that along small projects for practice and lots of gamejams will probably serve as a great first approach to the game development journey
https://roadmap.sh/game-developer

[neat nova]

Why former? What made you leave? 🥲

[turbid pewter]

Well, I worked on indies and the inside of the industry is just rotten IMO

[neat nova]

Im not sure abt indie, but personally I’ve heard great stuff abt supercell and I enjoy their games so I decided why not work there

[turbid pewter]

Yes, I believe this is the spirit to have. Hope you have a really good time at it. Also, about the "How to learn" topic, if you looking for big companies like that one, it would be good to not dismiss a certificate like college etc

[neat nova]

I currently can’t move from high school to uni so I’ll be doing a side course thatll help me get in uni tho

[turbid pewter]

Yes m8. Try looking for entry certificated course because although entry level, it'll still count as something for the first job

[placid hill]

Don't you usually get into uni via a HS diploma

[neat nova]

I choose not to go to uni after high school bc I had other plans but recently they’ve changed but they won’t let me go uni so I must take a different route to getting to uni

[placid hill]

weird

[neat nova]

Yeh my countries like that lols

[placid hill]

Usually you can just get into an uni even years after graduating from high school, it doesn't really matter

[fringe sphinx]

What country?

[neat nova]

Here we have a system called Atar And I chose not to do it that’s why I can’t go uni from high school

[placid hill]

Australia back at it again

[neat nova]

Australia

[placid hill]

If you're over 21, an ATAR isn't required at all to enter university.
I see..

[fringe sphinx]

Is there a community college equivalent ?

[neat nova]

Yes but I’m under 18

[fringe sphinx]

Or a GED equivalent?

[neat nova]

There’s a thing called Tafe in here it’s like if you do 6 months-2 years you can go uni depending on course

[placid hill]

Have you graduated HS?

have you? did you? - man English is sometimes confusing

[neat nova]

The requirement to apply to TAFE depend on what your studying if it’s like a Tradie then it’s year 10 certificate but for IT you need a year 12 certificate

[neat nova]

Not yet I graduate in 3 months

[placid hill]

I guess TAFE is technical/vocational education

[neat nova]

Yep

[fringe sphinx]

I'm confused, what was your question then? Aren't you eligible for Uni after graduating?

[placid hill]

Well, I suppose it doesn't hurt to apply to a community college after your hsc (or whatever it's called there)?

[neat nova]

No I must go to tafe then I can go uni if I pass

[placid hill]

Is ATAR like your ranking? HS score?

[neat nova]

Yes like gpa you’d call it

[placid hill]

I think you should check things out a bit

[neat nova]

How so?

[placid hill]

It doesn't make sense for you to be unable to get into any uni just because you had a lower score

TAFE will take two more years, so beware

[neat nova]

So the thing is Tafe is more job ready and also more employable then uni is, also the Tafe can give me a 1 or even 2 years credits towards a degree when going to uni

[placid hill]

yea I know, we have a similar technical education system here

It's up to you ultimately, if you absolutely can't go into uni now, then might as well go for it

Some unis don't transfer credits I think, pretty annoying

[neat nova]

Are university IT courses available online?

[placid hill]

University of London comes to mind

They have completely online CS courses

[neat nova]

I’d miss out on uni life ngl

UWS welcomes over 2,000 students each year from TAFE who use their vocational studies to enter and study at university. Many of these students are guaranteed a university place on successful completion of their TAFE studies. They also receive credit transfer for their TAFE courses. *** this is a uni thats quite a trip but hey they do credit transfer so 🙂

[placid hill]

Seems good to me.

[neat nova]

Thanks a lot man i appreciate your help and goodnight I got school tmrw

[primal viper]

Please don't mind the English

So I'm intermediate level in using python. I can understand classes and objects, do machine learning and good at using pandas, numpy, Tensorflow, Pytorch. I can understand the documentation...
I want to know what my next steps are in upskilling and how to proceed with that.

[fringe sphinx]

Solve real problems. For example, look at Kaggle.com for data problems and challenges.

[primal viper]

Yeh done that .. and have decent projects too. I want to upskill my core python.
I'm also learning fastapi too.

[fringe sphinx]

Getting good at programming and data analysis isn't about learning tools: it's about getting good at solving problems. That's what's good at building a resume. Learning packages is secondary, not primary.

[fringe sphinx]

If you want to learn more Python: watch some conference videos (PyCon or Europython have YouTube playlists, see their 2023 videos). You'll learn a -lot- of important things.

And surely some will be interesting enough to learn more about.

[primal viper]

I want to get good at building industrial level projects and learn how to build libraries.
So far I've used only the functional programming paradigm. I've seen some projects using classes and stuff everywhere and I can't understand the code there.

[primal viper]

That's somewhere I can start. Thank you.

[vapid jay]

Hi guyz I need some help. I want to do research in freshman yr in uni. What all shd I include in email? Any template? And what shd I keep in mind before sending her email? She has done research in ML

[white relic]

Who are you emailing and what do you want her to do for you?

[vapid jay]

She’s my prof and im looking to do research with her. I vl join uni this fall. Since school has summer research for 1st yr

[vapid jay]

Europython, the nostalgia~

[gritty rivet]

To be clear, unless things have changed a lot since I was in school, doing research as a first year undergraduate isn't normal and isn't reasonable to expect unless you're an extremely unique and advanced case.

I would just briefly introduce yourself, explain that you're interested in the research that she's done and that you'd like to work on the same in the future, and ask if she has any advice

[vapid jay]

There are 5/6 spots for cs freshman research every year for every major im eyeing on that

And im looking for a draft if u can help

[tacit bone]

2 ways to say it as you've indicated, and both are valid.

1. Have you graduated HS?
2. Did you graduate HS?

[gritty rivet]

Oh,. interesting. Can you identify names of any students who participated in recent years? They would be the best people to ask and likely willing to help share what they did to get in.

Whether you're looking for a formal cover letter or just a quick email, a web search or an LLM can help you get started. Then once you have a draft and want eyes on it, share it here.

[vapid jay]

@umbral panther what is your age and location?

[umbral panther]

currently im 17, in islamabad

i havent even done a levels yet.. i just want to work part time until me education is complete

[vapid jay]

I find it unlikely any good paying company will hire someone without a degree

[umbral panther]

makes sense

[vapid jay]

Your best bet is to try your hand at freelancing. Pakistani rupee exchange rate is really bad right now. You can try to land some free lancing gigs by charging low rates

[fringe sphinx]

I can only speak for USA: hard (near impossible, I guess) to find tech jobs before Uni. But, you can get work experience of various types. Even helping build/repair computers.

[umbral panther]

any idea what should I be freelancing in?

[fringe sphinx]

If you know someone who works at a tech company, ask them about opportunities. Won't be programming, but anything is a learning opportunity

[umbral panther]

ok does python offer opportunities in the freelancing market? can you give an example

[fringe sphinx]

No idea, maybe check fiverr

[winged summit]

USA it's not particularly bad to get a tech job with no degree, lots of people where I work have done so, but ultimately if you have no prior experience you should go to uni for 4 years

[umbral panther]

oh ok

[fringe sphinx]

Talking about a 17 year old tho

[winged summit]

Pakistan it's probably not even worth heading to university unless you can leave the country, because freelancing would make you more, but if you fail at freelancing you have no credentials so you're going to have wasted a bit of time

[umbral panther]

ive seen many companies requiring experience even after masters

[vapid jay]

Any website which allows payments to pakistan

[umbral panther]

yes ill be going to us or uk for uni

[vapid jay]

PayPal is not present in Pakistan so it will difficult for you

[umbral panther]

yes but ig there are alternative channels now

[winged summit]

You'll have to look up visa stuff or ask foreign students then, but yeah if you don't stay here probably not great

[umbral panther]

ok so will a company hire me right after im done with a degree?

[winged summit]

Expect it to take like 4 years for general dev jobs and 6 for data science is what I've seen and if you get one faster you're a bit lucky

[vapid jay]

@umbral panther your best bet is try and get into some American university as undergraduate

[winged summit]

Possible you won't get a job at all rn with an undergrad in CS who knows in 5 years

[umbral panther]

yes thats what im planning

[vapid jay]

Use your pakistani heritage to get some diversity admission into good university

[winged summit]

diversity doesn't apply to exchange students generally

[umbral panther]

yes i do have 2 years before uni so im trying to gain some skills as extra curriculurs

[vapid jay]

I meant full time admission into an American undergraduate program

[winged summit]

Still doesn't in a lot of cases the same way certain domestic applicants used to have their SAT/ACT weighted based on ethnicity

[umbral panther]

btw is it a good idea to work part time as an undergrad?

[vapid jay]

You have to check your visa restrictions

[winged summit]

Unlikely anyone will hire you as a dev part time as an undergrad and also it would waste time just focus on getting a dev job if you can afford it

[umbral panther]

ok i need some advice, do I focus more on my studies and get good grades or getting more skilled?

[winged summit]

If you study CS it will be the same thing

[umbral panther]

the degree includes python and other languages right?

[winged summit]

The degree won't make you employable just make it easy to learn stuff that makes you employable

[umbral panther]

ohhhh i see

[fringe sphinx]

Answer is both. Grades first, tho, as it opens more Uni options.

[winged summit]

^ being able to read, write, do math, etc. is a prerequisite to being a good dev

If you're bad at english you will probably be a bad dev since all documentation is in english

[umbral panther]

thank you so very much for your time guys, it means a lot!!!

[fringe sphinx]

But in Uni, you need to be more balanced... don't want to graduate with just degree and no skills

[fringe sphinx]

Oh that's great advice. I know some students who also invested time in accent training (retraining? Detraining?).. whatever, to make them sound more English/American.

[umbral panther]

thank you soo very much guys! can't thank you enough for the priceless support.. have a nice day!!

[silver jacinth]

School first

Unless you don't care about grades like me :)

[umbral panther]

also one last advice, i have 2 months of summer vacations and no school work so what should I do?

[winged summit]

In uni you can easily get a 3.5 to 3.8 GPA and learn everything you need to be employed if you're not working tbh

[fringe sphinx]

What do you think we'll say?

[silver jacinth]

Internship

[umbral panther]

but i know nothing lol

i have enrolled myself in multiple courses so is it a good idea?

[vapid jay]

They don’t publicly share list. I was able to find a few but they were not of my major

[silver jacinth]

What are you passionate about

[winged summit]

No one's going to give you an internship until you are doing an undergrad state side unless they're exploiting you for free labor

[silver jacinth]

Here all you can get is free labor sadly

[winged summit]

Realistically you are going to spend 1-2 years doing your own projects before you can make any meaningful FOSS contributions

[fringe sphinx]

You can either educate or build skills, if you can't find a job. Both are valuable at your age. When you get to Uni, you'll want to invest more in 'skills' and practice.

[umbral panther]

alrighty! very informative session indeed... thanks a million @fringe sphinx @silver jacinth @winged summit

can you explain it just a bit pls

[winged summit]

If anyone gives him an internship with under 1 YoE outside of college they're going to teach him incorrect stuff that's the last thing I'll say
Imo when your company can't pay interns they are probably not competent devs

Bc it implies the margins are low and everyone there is incompetent as a result

[silver jacinth]

Just how it is in my country (Canada)

[winged summit]

sounds like a shithole ngl if they allow unpaid labor

[silver jacinth]

https://montreal.citynews.ca/2024/03/29/student-protest-in-montreal-over-unpaid-internships/

[winged summit]

Yeah canada's going downhill fast but that's a diff discussion

Ig it's kind of career related literally every dev I know in Canada wants to immigrate to the USA

[silver jacinth]

I might move to the USA tbh if it gets worse here

I'm hoping things will improve after our next election

[umbral panther]

the ai projects which will be booming up in the 2030s in the middle east, which individuals will they be needing like machine learning engineers or what

[whole flare]

1930s?

[umbral panther]

2030s i mean lol

[silver jacinth]

I never want to set foot in the middle east

[umbral panther]

why though? they pay well and imo the workload is way less than in the west

[silver jacinth]

Because 99% of terrorist groups are there?

[umbral panther]

bruv

[winged summit]

I think it's very optimistic to think that economically undeveloped countries will magically grow high margin tech sectors in the next 10 years and quite delusional that countries operating primarily on endured servitude tantamount to slave labor will provide fair working conditions for foreigners in the case of saudi arabia and the UAE but I'll drop the subject now

[whole flare]

🤨

[silver jacinth]

Rather not get shot randomly

[whole flare]

that can happen anywhere to be honest

[winged summit]

Rather not get murdered by the state for being a homosexual or sold into slavery as a foreigner

[whole flare]

but this is already way off topic

[smoky quest]

there many valid reasons to want or not want to go there. But that's outside the scope of this channel

[silver jacinth]

Most likely ransomed and extorted

[umbral panther]

anyways thx for the career advice guys, peace out!

[fierce marsh]

I know someone that has a business idea and needs a mobile app. However, I only have general programming language and no specific knowledge in mobile app development, so now I'm wondering how long it would take to learn mobile app development and if it could be realistic for me to take the oppertunity

[smoky quest]

it does sound unfair to them

[cloud silo]

how do i learn python

[fierce marsh]

I don't know anything about their project yet so I'm definitely gonna listen to it but yeah, I thought the same.

Unfortunately. I would love to take on the challenge

[smoky quest]

It would be safer to pick up mobile dev regardless so that you are ready for next time

And taking a peek at mobile dev now, could help you do some pre-validation work to make derisk it and help you determine if it's something you can handle or not

[bold osprey]

why is there a rainbow in python

[smoky quest]

#changelog message

[bold osprey]

ok

[fierce marsh]

Right, I'll do that, thank you

[fierce marsh]

What do you think about Flutter Flow? Seems a pretty easy and fast way to build apps @smoky quest

[smoky quest]

it is quite popular and definitely worth a look

[fierce marsh]

Nice, thank you

[proper plaza]

hi I've been stuck trying to learn cs for a long time now
learning from tutorials, projects, leetcode,
nothing's working for me
my goal is to attain a math/science - related career in cs
(most likely ai/ml)
but I don't have any stable structure or plan to get there

[smoky quest]

Hi!
In terms of career, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[proper plaza]

I agree
and this year I'm going to college and will try to transfer to cs, tho cs is really popular there :(

but I want to practice and do stuff for cs now
since I have a lot of time with summer break

[deft herald]

tho cs is really popular there 😦
Is that bad? It's probably a good program then

[proper plaza]

it's very competitive

[deft herald]

great

[gritty rivet]

Generally the best independent learning comes from useful projects. Focus on what you want to build and let that be your guide

[proper plaza]

the issue is that once I do a project, I don't even know how to do the first step or how to go about it
I don't have any structured plan, so I easily end up feeling stuck :/

[deep plank]

yep

[gritty rivet]

So if you have zero foundation, you definitely want to try something general like the CS50 course from Harvard (there're a few different versions including one that's just Python and one that's more foundational

After that it's about breaking things down into simpler projects and occasionally doing tutorials to get familiar with new things

[dapper marten]

Does anyone have Netflix?

[deft herald]

Why do you ask? Especially in a channel dedicated to #career-advice

[dreamy mountain]

I wanna kiss you

[primal sinew]

What sort of projects should I have on my resume in that case? I know I wouldnt be able to do them as of now but at least then I can have a goal to work towards. I guess shifting my portfolio and resume to be tailored to a SWE can help me land a SWE job rather than a data science job? Even with the DS degree? I just dont like statistics, data cleaning etc

[gritty rivet]

Whatever work you want to be doing... You need projects that demonstrate the relevant skills.

Look at the jobs you want to apply for, and look at your resume. What are the gaps? Fill those gaps with projects.

[fringe sphinx]

Perhaps the question to ask us is: what traits do we look for in a SWE resume? What skills, projects, etc would make it clear that you're prepared for a SWE role?

[primal sinew]

Well in that case what would be the answer to that?

[gritty rivet]

No matter what role/project there are things like good design, good documentation, tests, etc.

Otherwise a lot will depend on the type of role and tech stack

Content is secondary, do whatever interests you

A project that actual people are actually using is far more impressive. Contributions to existing open source projects are good for the same reason

[fringe sphinx]

My general answer is we want to see Engineering experience, not merely programming. Projects that include ci/cd, testing, complexity, evolution (over time), etc

[primal sinew]

I see, thanks guys.

[high axle]

Im applying to a MIT Data science and Machine learning course. Can yall look over my personal statement? Its 168 words and the max is 200.

With global energy consumption at an all-time high, a goal of mine is to promote a more sustainable, clean energy environment. I believe that AI can play a pivotal role in optimizing energy consumption and predicting maintenance needs for industrial equipment. Currently, I am interning at Mechademy, a company specializing in Predictive Maintenance of Industrial Machinery, by combining machine learning with IIOT(Industrial Sensory Equipment). My role is to conduct market research using Multi Agent AI Systems. That said, this course not only offers me a platform to learn new skill sets from profound professors in this growing industry, but also brings me one step closer to contributing to my goal of a more sustainable earth. I hope to deepen my understanding of how AI and advanced technologies can revolutionize our daily environments. Prior Knowledge regarding predicting future failures and creating optimal processes using AI alongside this course will supply me with the ability to assist a global movement towards cleaner and more efficient energy for future generations.

[unkempt zinc]

anyone here like have the skills in 2 different roles ...and at some point the company may in need any of these 2 roles for internship..like happen for me i can do computer netwroking,Sysadmin and data science..in this situation, do i need to specify which role ?

[balmy spade]

You should specify what field or domain you are interested in pursuing.

[deft herald]

I think typically you would submit an application for each role

[balmy spade]

Yeah, that too. If the application is specific you'll likely need to apply for both.

[zealous rivet]

tf is cybersecurirty

cyber security*

[pine sleet]

securing the cyber stuff

[zealous rivet]

so true

[charred spade]

can any experts help me?

so all i need to learn is basic python for data science specialisation then when do i need to learn advanced python?

[brazen island]

You need basic Python to get started. If you want to do it for a living and solve real problems you'll need to upskill and learn some more advanced features. Don't worry about it now though, start and then learn as you go

[charred spade]

hey so do i need basic python so i can learn data science till end updated level or do i need advanced python also?

[brazen island]

It all depends on what you end up doing. Don't worry about it, trust me. Just start learning now and you'll learn what you need naturally. This is something common with beginners 😄

[fierce quiver]

someone guide me through freelancing

[smoky quest]

Nothing new to share comparing to the previous times

congrats!

I don't think it is though

Let me be honest: no one in my network would call you back if they were to see that. And I wouldn't either.
So all else being equal, I would assume it might be timing or the market your target or other

Sure. That is not mutually exclusive with what I said

[dense mesa]

This is not a great way, at least from a western perspective, to structure your CV

[smoky quest]

I don't mind either way. I am only here to provide unfiltered feedback

[brazen island]

Is this all on your resume?

If so ... delete it 😅

Censored my CV for reference. I have way more experience, internships, publications, jobs, ... than on my resume

I just picked 3 because they fit on 1 page

I believe less is more 🤷

yeah but stuff like coursework, what my thesis was on, certifications, ... are all a bit irrelevant imo

I think they're all cool as well, but I doubt the other party thinks they're cool. What I find cool and what they found cool are very different. That's a big takeaway from my applications. We've discussed this 🙂 what grabbed most people's attnetion was the photobooth and not any of the deep learning

[strange nova]

This blue sidebar is pretty. Mine is all black and white bullet points

[brazen island]

I think the gold standard (in the US?) is the boring template with bullets and no soul. Afaik "pretty" resumes are very common here

What was important for me is to have it be readable by whoever does the HR screen

but leave some breadcrumbs for technical people

The physics thing is only readable by other physicists, the odds of them seeing your CV is so small

[strange nova]

I'm breaking out of whatever weird mood I was in and coding like hell. I'll be back.

[brazen island]

your CV, your choice 😄 I think at the end of the day, I agree with recursive_error on this

again, correlation vs causation and this time with a heavy whisk of survivorship bias. You can only observe who called you back, you don't know how many didn't call you back because of it

Either way, the most important thing is not giving up and if it motivates you, then I'd keep on doing it

Ultimately, what worked the best for me was something else. It was referrals/connections

And if I were in a position to refer you, I'd wholeheartedly have done so tbh

[hearty totem]

I'll argue the opposite. Especially for MLEngs. The number of physicist in MLEng is quite insane. Something around 30% I'd say. they will love the physics on the CV

(I would 🙂 )

[brazen island]

Where I'm from the biggest suppliers of ML folk are comp sci and what I studied (quant business) and then there's a huge gap between the next degrees

[near ocean]

If your CV goes to a person via referral then its fine to have a pretty one
If youre mass applying for your first job you shouldnt do this and should stick to convention

[brazen island]

The risk with convention is that convention isn't international and they differ, especially in anglophone vs non-anglophone countries

The convention here is to absolutely have a picture on your CV

[hearty totem]

One thing I kind of look when hiring science (not CS) folks is whether they can work almost without supervision. Many science background people are much better at this than CS folks. It is not a hard rule, people vary a lot.

Also CVs in LaTeX are loved by some people and hated by others, it is a weird game

[brazen island]

The most sensible thing to do is to research where you're applying to and if they deviate from the conventional wisdom on the internet (which mostly just applies to the US). Ignore it and follow the local standards

[boreal panther]

I want to work on a project with someone for my portfolio. Anyone interested?

[hearty totem]

Oh you can ! The spacing and ligatures are completely wrong with MS Word and Google Docs

[hearty totem]

It is always good to as a description/pitch to such things. So you grab not only attention but also ambition

[gritty rivet]

The only way I recognize a CV as LaTeX is that they usually leave the fugly default font instead of using something that doesn't feel like a buzzsaw on the eyes. You can get good results regardless of the tool.

[rancid scarab]

Yo

I'm a noobie. So how n from where do I start learning Python?

[regal axle]

!resources

[inner wren]

Resources

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[rancid scarab]

Thanks

[white relic]

anecdotally, I know of one person who got an interview in part because he used Computer Modern and the reviewer appreciated the use of LaTeX. He ended up getting hired, so 🤷‍♂️

(I don't think that's a generally reproducible result)

[white relic]

the sheer number of resumes I have seen with weird inconsistent formatting quirks suggests that people don't actually put in the effort whatever tool they use

I suspect that if you use LaTeX anyway in your day to day, it's probably easier to deal with than MS Word

at least on the "consistent formatting" thing

I used to have a latex resume and one thing I liked about it was the ability to comment out stuff

it's probably user error, but in word every time I cut and paste something there's like a 30% chance I get the wrong formatting

[brazen island]

I'm terrible at formatting, I'd be like this as well. I delegate making my resume to my SO. She does the template, I fill it in and then I get it back aligned and stuff 👼

[true harness]

easy access to scripting and stuff. plus CI/CD 😩

[brazen island]

CI/CD pipelines to email all recruiters on every push /jk

[true harness]

CD to update LinkedIn profile :O

[wind python]

wsp people

[near ocean]

That's probably a tad too much CV engineering

[peak halo]

that's what I did. and then I had a spreadsheet of which positions I had applied to, and I had a column for the commit hash of the resume I used for that position.

[true harness]

branches don't make sense. I just have a makefile that builds a bunch

idk, just would be something funny to try

[deft herald]

All i do is store the original on google docs and put a new version number in the footer every time i update it

[deep wharf]

Hello, I am a beginner starting my coding journey. Currently, I know basic Java and am learning JavaScript along with HTML, CSS, and Python. I wanted to ask seniors how they chose which specific field to go into, like cloud computing or data science, web dev etc. and what common mistakes I should avoid in my journey so I can land a good job or become self-employed.

[glad thistle]

hey! can anyone provide me with a good data analytics course?

[brazen island]

Having embeddings to all of my github code opens doors to so much fun stuff. Maybe I should try generate / tweaking my resume? Writing cover letters in "my style" given a job add? etc.

[deft herald]

I just sorta landed in the field of...i guess you could call it automated testing of embedded devices. It ended up being a good fit for combining what i'm good at (which is coding) and what my educational backgroud is (electrical engineering)

[deft herald]

I guess a common mistake to avoid is to stop learning new things even if it's not actually related to your current job

[deep wharf]

thanx mate

[compact glacier]

Guys, I want to go into web dev, specifically both front and backend. I've heard that Chatgpt has the ability to make html and css now, is this true? if so, is this something I should be concerned about?

[deft herald]

❌ Be concerned about AI taking over CS jobs
✅ Learn how to use AI as a tool in your CS job

[mighty glade]

Hello, are resume reviews a thing here?

[deft herald]

This is a topic that has been discussed a lot here. I think this is the general consensus

[white relic]

Use CS to take over AI jobs

[fringe sphinx]

Yes

[deep wharf]

In my opinion, HTML and CSS are already easy. The real work comes with using JavaScript. ChatGPT It's not perfect yet, but maybe in the next 2-4 years, it can become much better but It's just a tool to increase the efficiency of the developer

[compact glacier]

At what point should I use AI to enhance my coding skills? I'd say I'm just a beginner that learnt all of the basics of coding (while, for loops, and stuff like that)

[buoyant seal]

chatgpt quality to make code is worse than of a drunk person. nothing really to be concerned about.
in IT everything works at the... human hair thin separation between working and not working.
throwing in garbage code that is not working is not really a good choice

[fringe sphinx]

Honestly: avoid it as long as you can. You need to build problem solving skills -more- than you solve specific problems. What you learn fumbling around google and stackoverflow is equally important as what you meant to learn.

[brazen island]

You can start immediately. The key is to not use AI to write your code but to review it. Don't use copilot or chatGPT to write anything. It can help you write better code if you treat is as a "senior engineer" that knows more than you do. Absolutely do not use GPT3.5. If you're using it, it should be 4o or 4.

[deft herald]

When you feel like you're able to make a distinction between "good" code and "bad" code

[buoyant seal]

It can help you write better code if you treat is as a "senior engineer" that knows more than you do
wtf. u meant to say to treat it as a junior/intern drunk working during night?

[fringe sphinx]

I disagree, respectfully, with the above -because- you only just learned the basics, there's no chance you can properly distinguish at this stage. I might say differently if you've already accomplished some projects/etc.

[mighty glade]

Will appreciate any criticism what so ever - I know there isn't much to go off of but I can't share much online. Pardon the secrecy, and thanks in advance.
Context: I'm trying to find a researcher at my university to take me under their wing. The government job is non-software related

[fringe sphinx]

But also, reasonable people can disagree here? So I truly mean it respectfully: choose your own paths

[brazen island]

It's not helpful to be irrationally negative.

[fringe sphinx]

You redacted the most important part; the bullets in your job description. Not much we can do without that.

[compact glacier]

I'm not sure what to call myself, I've done hangman, rock paper scissors and other projects you would do as a newbie. So I guess I'm like an intermediate beginner at this point.

I do use AI to ask about how certain stuff would work, and that's about it. Maybe I should start incorporating it when I'm somewhat good? Like how do you know when you're good enough to break through into something else? Like another language, web dev, game dev, app dev and the sort?

[brazen island]

Don't ask any questions about how to make something work

[mighty glade]

It's not a software job, so you might as well ignore it anyway
It's some senior position I had at my government

[fringe sphinx]

No projects?

[buoyant seal]

treating chatgpt as senior engineer is very wrong strategy. Because chatGPT is just generating ideas that are rarely correct.
Senior Engineer is supposed to be wise person with good suggested things, he is not comparable to ChatGPT bs generating