career-advice

[peak halo]

please don't ask questions in more than one channel. Decide where you want to receive answers and put your question there.

@craggy galleon please remove your question from either this channel or #data-science-and-ml, and direct people to whichever channel where you want to receive answers.

[craggy galleon]

What are the best tracks in the market that i can specialise in ?
In ai field
I'm pretty confused... I'm good at ml and deep learning and nn and generative ai but I don't what work should i search for 😭

[peak halo]

you probably don't know as much about those topics as you think you do. especially not generative AI. but there's a lot of interest in generative AI at the moment.

[gritty rivet]

Where are you at in your journey? Are you a university student?

In general, it is common to apply to hundreds of jobs to get just a few interviews. Don't overthink which jobs you are targeting, just apply for everything you might have a reasonable shot at. In the process you will learn what niches exist in your local job market

[craggy galleon]

Not that much knowledge ofc so I'm asking to enhance what are required for the career bath .
I made many GANS models and Gans is only fs part of genai
I'm confused should i keep going in track daya scientist or should i go for other better track

[craggy galleon]

Fresh graduate
I dropped the main question of concern above 👀
I may serve in military and afterwards my plan to travel abroad so I'm just asking to prepare and know how is the market

[celest kite]

A career bath sounds refreshing ngl

[craggy galleon]

I guess that a strength point when the ask for jobs in genai is more than Data science especially through my plan to work abroad.

[restive summit]

Honestly, military doesnt sound bad. Air force would probably you a heft sum to join. Plus who doesn't like people that severed , and with your skill yet, now and what you learn in the field sounds awesome. It's hard to see where AI will be, but I think its safe to say it's a something like healthcare, its never going to go away, just grow.

[restive summit]

My best advice is do what you want, and dont second guess it.

[fringe sphinx]

What country?

[craggy galleon]

Egypt.😂

[restive summit]

And here I am assuming.

[restive summit]

Its obvious you're highly skilled does the military offer training? Hows that work?

[craggy galleon]

It's like a waste of time being in military or in Egypt yk
If they took me in military one year I'll spend it taking courses in holidays preparing for the next step after the military duration

[restive summit]

Ahhh! I understand.

[harsh remnant]

Hey for anyone who’s actually a software engineer right now. So, do you guys ever have free time? Or is it always just work, work, work and calls or wake up in the middle of the night to fix a major bug.

[smoky quest]

it's like any job

[summer roost]

If there's a major bug every night, something is very wrong with the organization

[safe locust]

**Anyone Here Working in Google ? or they have any connections in google ? **

[pine sleet]

it is possible there are such people here. why do you ask?

[safe locust]

actually there has been an opening there for SDE role 2025 passout and i am also passing out in 2025 so just for that i need help how can i get in there.

Please Help me friends

[smoky quest]

• Prepare your resume
• Work on projects
• Prepare for interviews

[safe locust]

i already have done that brother can is share my resuem here

[smoky quest]

then you are done

[safe locust]

i was thinking for refferal brother also i got refferal previous time but i got rejection but this time i improved my experience section and achievments also.

[kindred oyster]

usually people dont like to share their phone numbers with 400k other people.......

[safe locust]

ok am resending

please mates give some review on this is this enough to get a SDE role in google ?

@pine sleet @smoky quest if you know then can you help about that google thing.

[autumn fractal]

what other language other than py should i learn b4 getting a job?

[solar hawk]

I need a job in python

[safe locust]

Ok I will do that and now about the things that :-

Bachelor's degree or equivalent practical experience
Experience working with Unix/Linux, Windows or macOS environments, distributed systems, machine learning, information retrieval, and TCP/IP
Experience programming in C, C++, Java, or Python

Preferred qualifications:
Bachelor's or advanced degree in Computer Science or Computer Engineering```

this is the JD of the google as of now. so the content is my resuem is good ?

or shall i add networking project? like its asking for TCP/IP thing ? one of the guy told me

[gritty rivet]

Then you should apply for jobs

[small bronze]

hello everyone,I'm a computer science student and I'm almost graduated. I've started sending applications for AI/ML roles because that is my desired job, but I can't find a position in the field. Any suggestions?

[gritty rivet]

Are you getting any interviews at all? If not, your resume may need work. Feel free to share an anonymized screenshot here for feedback.

Otherwise it's all about networking to find the opportunities fewer people know about and aren't applying to be by the thousands

[lusty wolf]

Guys, I am from India . Currently in std 9 . I am valedictorian almost every year, know C++, python, Java, HTML, CSS and js. I am also interested in Maths, Physics and stuff like that..

Can anyone suggest how can I start my prep for jee ?

[small bronze]

this is my resume

[signal oar]

try going for coaching if u aim cracking it

Hey its time for me to rejoin my college after the 1year break i took bcz of a accident.. but in that 1year i actually learned to code. i am supposed to join with my junior batch. i am confused should i rejoin college (2nd year) or maybe learn more build projects and look for a job without degree.

[fringe sphinx]

Finish the degree. It'll open up more doors, build your personal network, and get you on a career path. It's exceptionally hard to land a SWE interview without one.

(And it's not just about learning programming)

[signal oar]

i thought of like going for a online one for bachelors in cs and continue with my programming, learning and projects.. so its hard to find a job without a actual degree 😦

nvm ill rejoin thats the best thing ig

[brazen island]

In hindsight I should've done better on the salary expectation question. I'm never answering the question again, period. I'll say something that deflects from actually answering it

Paradoxically, my new net take home will be higher than the gross (even though I'd still say I got lowballed a bit)

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, there's never a good answer to that q

[gritty rivet]

If they don't publicly state the budgeted range for the position I try to ask them for it as early as possible. Then if they ask about my expectations I can simply say either that their range is acceptable, or that I expect to be on the higher end of it

[brazen island]

I think my issue is that salary ranges only tell half of the story because I moved down 1/4th in gross but I'm jumping 1/3rd in net because the package is better. That's the main reason why I don't like the question I think

[modern tinsel]

I drop the university in a course of engineering and now I'm thinking in come back because all jobs requires a graduation, I used Python and R (have little) and I would like to work with programming even not being the central part of the course

[near ocean]

How does this work? Can you explain?

[brazen island]

The new package is optimized towards providing the absolute max on tax-free incentives while keeping the gross modest

[vapid jay]

this might be a stupid question but if I want to have a published paper, does it have to be a new discovery and is it possible for an undergrad to have one? I wanna make my resume stand out by having publications

[peak halo]

I published as an undergrad. but you'd need to find a professor who's willing to work with you.

[vapid jay]

Oh I see

[solar hawk]

I graduated recently from CS but to get an entry is hard for me even with all my skill set

I wonder how others make it happen because I'm confuse right now

[gritty rivet]

You're applying for internships? But not getting any interviews? Have you had much resume feedback?

Ah, nevermind about internships,.you already graduated

[peak halo]

how many positions have you applied to, and how many callbacks have you gotten?

[solar hawk]

Then how do I make it happen

[solar hawk]

About 50 - 100 mainly Software Engineer and django

[peak halo]

you should probably pay closer attention to how many applications you're putting out, and where. I recommend using a spreadsheet.

[solar hawk]

About 3 out of it

[peak halo]

okay, and how long have you been searching?

[solar hawk]

For about 6 - 8 months now

What do I need to do?

[peak halo]

if you've been searching for 8 months, you should have done more than 100 applications. what market are you looking in (like what country, or region within a large country)?

[solar hawk]

I use LinkedIn and wellfound. Mainly remote jobs from US, UK and Canada...I'm from Nigeria

[peak halo]

I see. that's definitely a much different game than job hunting as a resident/citizen of those countries. maybe someone with experience in that area can help.

[solar hawk]

Are you saying is based on residence?

[peak halo]

I just don't know what the considerations are when companies hire remote workers in different countries. My company only hires US citizens who can go to the office.

[gritty rivet]

Then this is your problem. Focus on local opportunities. After you gain some experience maybe you'll have a shot at those.

This article explains that, among other things: https://blog.pragmaticengineer.com/advice-for-junior-software-engineers/

[solar hawk]

Alright. I appreciate 🙏

[regal axle]

Alright; so what do ya'll think? Any suggestions // changes?
I have no idea what to really do for the skill section. This is for my "general" resume that is just being given to a few people. IE, I can't specialize it for the position. But I want the main focus of the advice to be on the rest of it. (but I will take whatever you give; thank you!)

[regal axle]

Ok fine, let me narrow it down;
Any ideas on what I should put down for the "skills" section? Don't have a lot of space and not sure how to organize it in a meaningful way

[silk whale]

Hey everyone 👋
I've been learning python for a while now and I'm quite familiar with the language. I've had some exams so I stopped for a while so I can focus on schoolwork. My exams are finished so I'm planning on resuming my learning. I've made some projects generally like a website with flask and some GUİ's with tkinter. I was thinking about finding a niche, so I can make more projects, related to that niche. I think that way it will be better. So what's the niche I should focus on right now. Any ideas? I'm looking for something I can put my mind into and maybe start a career from there.

[smoky quest]

right now you should focus on discovering and exploring niches, not specializing it in one.

[smoky quest]

And in terms of a career, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[compact glacier]

I have an option of going into Business or Computer Science. I have 8 close friends, and 4 of them are going into CS, is the market a little bit oversaturated right now? 3 of my friends' reasons for going into CS is: 💰

[regal axle]

How is

Technical Skills:
• Programming Languages: Python, Rust, TypeScript, SQL (Postgres), C++
• Frameworks/Tools: Django, AWS, Docker, FastAPI, React, GitHub, Linear, Discord
• System Architecture: Server Management, System Design, Troubleshooting 

[torn cloak]

i just got my cpec on Python Institute, i'm looking at the data anylyst class on freecodecamp, good time investement ?

[smoky quest]

• since you graduated last year, keep your education on top
• your descriptions don't demonstrate the depth of your skills. For instance you mentioned your stuff was "scalable", but never talk about how or why it was scalable.

In terms of behavioral, I would suggest to prepare yourself for questions related to motivation

[smoky quest]

sure. I would think of it as like a word cloud to give a sense of your shape and interests

[silk whale]

I'm currently pursuing a software engineering degree. I just finished my 2nd semester. And we haven't really done much so far. Just some python and OOP practices

[smoky quest]

Nice!
Yeah, that's how it starts

[regal axle]

That is definitely something I am unsure about. My shape, direction, and interests. I kinda have just been doing what comes. I mean, I 100% don't want to do frontend stuff (despite that being in there too lol)
But yea; I just feel a little lost right now. (That is fine btw, I don't mind it and know that it is very normal)

[smoky quest]

then spend some time figuring out your interests 🙂
The types of roles are pretty much infinite

[regal axle]

Not sure how I would go about improving on this. I do get what you mean, but the issue is that I have zero insight into what matters here. ...

[smoky quest]

try to frame it as wanting to geek about some of the cool stuff

[regal axle]

I have ideas. But ,,, I don't have the time right now to explore them in more depth right now. I need to get a job now.
I want to do dev tooling and the likes. But am fine with backend. But I have no work experience in dev tooling, so a little harder to get in that. But I will apply

[silk whale]

So I was thinking about just learning things on the side or gaining more knowledge, aside from what I'm being taught at college, because they can't really teach me everything, that's why I wanted to know some niches

[smoky quest]

Yes and that's quite normal.
So make projects and discover niches

[boreal tree]

guys, I need a advice,
I'm currently in low code development,
but before that in college I was into MERN stack development,
now I am thinking to up my skills learning Ml and build end to end apps/solutions,
please guide me how should I pursue this.

[smoky quest]

Make projects and try to steer your low code job towards more code

[regal axle]

I find that hard to do these days. I get punished for geeking out. No one to geek out to and every time I do with people around me, I am met with apathy.
Idk, might just send as is (to the few people I was talking to)
Idk that i want to keep rolling over it forever. I should start getting it out there.

Unless there is something really wrong with it. If there is something really bad, I can make changes

[boreal tree]

I understand but could you please direct me in any particular direction for the same,
like where should I start my ML learning

[smoky quest]

find better people to geek with

[smoky quest]

If you want to learn about a specific topic, you could look at the resources tagged in the relevant channel. See for instance #data-science-and-ml for stuff related to AI/ML

[regal axle]

Part of why I really need to get a job. One that is in an office. I am stuck right now where I live with no one to geek out to. And other things.

[boreal tree]

to be more specific I would be learning it kinda from scratch

[regal axle]

Get a job as opposed to continuing to do what i have been doing (contract work)

[smoky quest]

Sure.
But it's like if I try to sell you a car and I tell you it's super gas efficient. And then you ask me how efficient and I answer that it efficiently uses gas.
That's part of show, don't tell.
You don't think superman is strong because he keeps yelling it. You think superman is strong because you see him lifting cars.

That's the same thing here for all your claims. Claiming to build something scalable is meaningless. Claiming to have done 1800x speedup is great but doesn't tell me what was done.

[smoky quest]

the resources in the channel are made for everyone.

Note also that in terms of career, a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[boreal tree]

I already have a job due to my CS degree,
now I'm just upskilling myself

[smoky quest]

nice!

[regal axle]

I do get what you are saying. In that case, I automated a fully manual process. And the number is based on how long it takes the automated system to do the same amount of work.

For the scalable scanning pipeline, there are a lot of things going on that make it "scalable". From the parallel workflow, to the automated scheduling and response of jobs. Meaning you could throw any number of documents at it, and it just handles it. No fuss.
That becomes a talking point becuase the original architecture that I took over was ,,, well very manual somehow. And very limited in what it could do. You would even have to break down large jobs into smaller ones.

But I don't know how to condense all of that into a bullet point. And in a way that actually is meaningful. Because "what did you do" is (to my understanding) more important than "how does it work"

[smoky quest]

these are all things worth talking about

[smoky quest]

Sometimes, it's better to cover less bullet points, but cover them better

[silk whale]

I was thinking about delving into İoT. Do you have any resources on it?

[smoky quest]

IoT is a sector, like finance or healthcare. It's not a role.
As such, there are at least two ways to slice that cake:

• Information about the sector. Read market news, products, etc. about that topic
• Skills related to one or more jobs related to that sector. Dive into it. So for instance, if you want to learn about ML related to IoT, you could look at the ML resources in #data-science-and-ml

[silk whale]

Thanks so much.
So I was wondering, what's the difference between a data analyst, data engineer and data scientist 🤔

[smoky quest]

It's the type of question worth googling first as there are people who have spent far more time crafting entire blog posts about it and as such, can provide a far more clear and precise answer than I could do in the 20s I write messages.
See for instance the top result for what's the difference between a data analyst, data engineer and data scientist in duckduckgo: https://www.dataquest.io/blog/data-analyst-data-scientist-data-engineer/

[primal sinew]

Am I cooked working towards my data science degree if I want to be a software engineer?

[smoky quest]

It's like a distance function. The further away, the more costly.

[primal sinew]

My gpa is not good enough to transfer over… I don’t know what to do, any advice? I’m going into my second year

[smoky quest]

it doesn't mean you can't become a swe, it just means it is more difficult than if you were doing a degree that targets it. The bright news, is it will be easier than if you were doing an accounting degree.
And regardless, you need to bring up that GPA.

And work on projects to demonstrate your swe skills.

[peak halo]

are we to understand that you wanted to be a data scientist, and no longer want to be one? did something about the program change your mind?

in many cases, "data scientists" are just glorified SWEs.

[magic elk]

Hello guys im here , a 17 yo kid very very confused about my future, this day the next year i Will have a diploma in IT , i did some SQL, VB, Will do the last year (from September tò June)HTML, CYBERSECURITY, i Need help in choosing what should i do next? Wich uni course should i go? Or i should start from now learning like python and otger things?

I have this courses, wich Is the best? I mean salary and what Will help me find a work?

Im like a kid thrown in a world of work , the real world...im very very confused and stressed about my future..maybe i shouldnt stress but idk how...

[fringe sphinx]

These don't look like Uni programs?

[magic elk]

They are courses i think? If you know uni courses tell me plz , im from Italy btwn

Like what field should i learn

[fringe sphinx]

What's the link to this program?

[magic elk]

Wait i send

https://www.itstechtalentfactory.it/

[fringe sphinx]

Ok, and what are your degree choices?

[magic elk]

Im kinda confused

Idk wich to choose

[gritty rivet]

If you're interested in programming / software engineering then a degree in computer science is the normal choice

[manic grove]

Hi Nnadi, nwanne kedụ?

About your job hunt, you might wanna priortize getting an internship experience from a Nigerian company first...

If you're in Lagos, I'll highlt recommend you attend PyCon Nigeria (the tickets are currently on sale)

This will be give you the opportunity to meet and connect with many people who could potentially help land your first internship.

You can check their twitter handle for more info https://twitter.com/PythonNigeria

Python Nigeria (@PythonNigeria) on X

The Python Software community aims to promote the use of the Language in Nigeria

Twitter

[magic elk]

That include like web programming?

[cobalt moat]

Most cs degrees don’t inherently include web dev

[magic elk]

Oh wich One does include It?

[cobalt moat]

Usually theoretical cs and software dev along with speciality electives

[magic elk]

If i did basics VB and SQL and HTML what can i do with that?

[cobalt moat]

Not much if you don’t know a programming language besides VB

[magic elk]

Is It good if i learn python or i should learn other language?

[cobalt moat]

Python is a good first language yes

[magic elk]

Oho oki

Ty for the help

[peak halo]

!warn 1011364757208571914 Asking for employment directly is not allowed. Your message has been removed.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @tough kestrel.

[tough kestrel]

Oh i didn't know. Sorry guys

[peak halo]

You accepted the #rules when you joined the server and are responsible for knowing all of them.

[tough kestrel]

Yeah, my bad. It won't happen again

[solar hawk]

Nwanne mmadu. I appreciate it. Thanks a lot 🙏. Currently, I'm in Asaba. Are you on Twitter? We can connect

[solar hawk]

Sorry, I didn't tag you.

[manic grove]

Yes. Send me a DM here let's discuss further

[solar hawk]

Alright 👍

[manic grove]

Unfortunately, there's not enough tech job especially for new entry level roles in East let alone Asaba.

Are you still in school?

[strong saffron]

Wassup people ,need a recommendation where can I find a good mentor? maybe servers ot sites?

[smoky quest]

there are quite a few websites dedicated to it, especially if you are a minority.
Your company may also help facilitate it

[strong saffron]

😆yep, company. Nuh I started like 4 month ago. what websites for minority? I don't know what you mean.

[smoky quest]

Like if you are a woman in tech, there are groups focused on that

[strong saffron]

oh, I see. that's great for them 👍

[gritty rivet]

Yes: https://www.coursera.org/articles/how-to-become-a-web-developer

[sleek charm]

https://roadmap.sh/python

Once you become confident in the basics of the language, and you've experimented with simple projects where you've applied libraries such as Tkinter to create GUI's and familiarised yourself with the uses of classes then you can start considering implementing frameworks to further extend your technical skills and expand your portfolio.

When you intend to do so I recommend starting with Flask before you move on to Django. Learn the basics of HTML and CSS, this can be done via an online YouTube course.

Run these on visual studio code, save the files within the same folder.

By doing this, you'll get to learn more about the front end of development while figuring out if you prefer the back end more.

[regal axle]

For US jobs; any advice for places to go looking for jobs? I mean, I know big companies. But there are more options than just big companies.
Ideally a way to look into options from companies that don't have a really bad reputation.

I have heard a few people say that startups (or startup like) companies would be a good fit for me. (I have also heard the exact opposite too - not the point of Q) But where do I even go about finding job openings for startups?

[torpid birch]

I've been applying for 10-20 job listings a day, i am based in Europe, this job listings are mainly Python/SQL/Web framework or Python/Networking.
Currently i had 0 interviews.
I've been working with python for around 4 years now, mainly network based and most recently (1.5y) Django and SQL.

One of the issues is that i have no personal projects, i only have work projects that range from scripts, to GUI Tools and now a web app that automates network configurations.

Is the personal projects one of the main issues here? or could it be more on the CV side?

[regal axle]

Personal projects are not in of themselves the thing that is valuable. The experience itself is. And they let you really dig into something that interestes you; meaning you can talk about it way better in an interview. But that is on the interview side of things. If you are not even getting any interviews, yea, I would guess it is more related to your CV. You can send it over and people will have a look if you want

[torpid birch]

Alright, i will the version i am currently using.

I was using a "American version" where i had no picture and there is less "pretty stuff" so to speak.
But i talked with some friends that recommended changing to this format to appeal more to the European market.

[regal axle]

Welp... I don't know the european market. But yea, to my American brain, I hate this format. And I also know that it is harder for the bots to read columns. But maybe this really is the standard over there. (anyways, I go read now)

[craggy galleon]

Search for ats checker on Google and know ur cv score.

Guys, can i get a work contract from us market then i can to travel to us ?

Or in Europe

[regal axle]

Yea. Regardless of format, this CV needs work. I don't actually know anything about what you are capable of.

What is up with the academic stuff? Is it normal to mention what classes you did?

Your skill section should be hard + soft skills (although I don't personally add soft skills to mine). But yours is only soft skills. You do have a tech used part. But you can put them together.

Your "achievements" might be real achievements. But the way you wrote it, I have no reason to belive that. IE, I don't actually know what you achieved. You basically wrote that you an automation project that did automation. And that you know a little bit of linux.

In your projects section; how did you do anything? Saying what you did is fine. But it should definitely not be the only thing you say.
Same for your work stuff. I don't in any way really get a sense of who you are.

[torpid birch]

I see, i am taking notes, will redo it

[regal axle]

It would be really hard. Not impossible. But close to it. Immigration for a job is hard. You have to give the company a really strong reason to want to hire you.
But I mean, yea, in theory you could.

[regal axle]

#career-advice message. This is my most recent resume. It isn't "perfect". You don't have to copy it. And I am sure I will make tweaks to it. But if you want an example ...

Also always remember with this stuff: there is no right answer and everyone has different opinions on what is correct. So if you strong disagree with something; yea that might be. I mean maybe not. But maybe

[torpid birch]

Many thanks, so apparently the CV is a big issue... i feel bad for wasting so many oportunities ahah

[regal axle]

Did all companies "ghost" you? Did you at least get any useful feedback?

[civic acorn]

E

[torpid birch]

They just sent the usual stuff "we didn't found you suited for this job" or that they did not proceeded with my application. Generic replies.
One of the companies actually said that i had profile for another listing, but that is all

[fringe sphinx]

Job openings for startups: crunchbase or pehub.com (not just pe)

[fringe sphinx]

Regardless of format: your resume has grammatical mistakes. Those will stop your resume from getting serious consideration.

[smoky quest]

https://www.ycombinator.com/jobs
https://wellfound.com/

[solar hawk]

Can I get a template of this for my resume?

[rigid minnow]

hi can someone help me with this?

[smoky quest]

someone probably could after reading #❓｜how-to-get-help

[rigid minnow]

what'

[smoky quest]

someone probably could after reading #❓｜how-to-get-help

[rigid minnow]

blud u dont have to repeat yourself twice lol

[smoky quest]

It sounds like it helped bro lol

[rigid minnow]

how does that even help

[smoky quest]

it tells you how to get help for your question

[quasi wigeon]

Is FLASK a usefull tool to know?

Is it still used in "the industry"?

And: What are everyones thoughts on web development + AI "stealing" jobs?

[magic elk]

Oho oki tysm

[magic elk]

Oh ok tysm

[open siren]

Can someone please provide the material or links or something to learn LLD ( low level design) for the interview?

[torpid birch]

It's from Canvas
https://www.canva.com/pt_pt/modelos/EAD0T-sy0E4-branco-minimalista-com-fotografia-professor-cv/

[torpid birch]

Is this too much text?

[near ocean]

The most relevant part of your CV, your experience, is last on the page and ordered the wrong way

Most recent should be on top and the entire section should be near the top

[torpid birch]

Should it be placed first on the right column?

[fleet iris]

is most people taking software field only for the money?

[fleet iris]

wow i have the same template

canva?

[buoyant seal]

should be common enough for professional people also mostly going for fun. That makes the job every day as nice enough day.
People who don't like software can be living every day hell and having no sufficient motivation to progress further

Eventually software developers can become just crazy and embracing software development as part of their life. Because... well, why not.
That makes rapid progress in its skills, ensuring reaching a true level of progress and enjoyment

That ensures certain sacrifices though in person's lifestyle... for this reason software devs are more common to be among socially more awkward people a bit. Because they are socially awkward => they have more time and energy to become good, and experiencing no psychological issues to spend all the time towards it ^_^

managing life with both Software Development career, skills growth, and smth else beyond that... that is a true challenge.

[fleet iris]

yeah make sense. in my uni more than half of cs students dont have the like passion to it. they are just taking this degree bcz it pays well

[buoyant seal]

in my university only smth like 50% of CS graduates work by their speciality ^_^.
And add to that, not each one among the remaining, will reach the steady level of career and going beyond junior level in addition

Some portion of students dropped CS degree, because they just paid for homework done by others. If u don't put effort and obtain your own skills => well, what's the point to study

[fringe sphinx]

^ and: it's unfair to judge a Uni student for not having passion. A lot of motivation from working and doing things that matter, not just schoolwork and side projects.

[fleet iris]

yeah

[buoyant seal]

agreed. I dislike strongly CS program for its fifty shades of math 😄 Still made software dev career anyway, and enjoying building stuff i do for work and in pet projects.

[fleet iris]

we have to study physics mechanics chemistry graphics . its more like engineering

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, so don't judge your fellow students too harshly. Some of them are just holding on trying to pass most of their classes

[fleet iris]

yeah everyone is differnt

[gritty rivet]

Sure, but if you already know FastAPI then I wouldn't bother.

[torpid birch]

yep

[sleek charm]

It's a factor but not entirely, remaining a software engineer/developer and even making any significant income requires you to hone the technical skills you already have, while keeping up with what's in demand for the ever-changing market.

If you don't have somewhat of a passion for it, you're more than likely to fall behind since it requires consistent learning long term.

I have come across different kinds of software engineers/developers in regards to personalities and general sociability. On the surface, the job in itself can appear to be isolating, however with an effective manager and competent colleagues with varying levels of experience, communication proves to be an essential foundation in the progression towards completion of given projects

Due to the nature of the field, hybrid and remote work is often optional providing the means for one to seclude themself, which for a lot of people, contribute to their work productivity and efficiency.

Yet, despite this, the SDLC requires regular meetings, group planning, discussion and feedback on code.

[open siren]

Can someone please provide the material or links to learn LLD ( low level design) for the interview?

[vapid jay]

mr.akashamad
It's my instagram account send message me on it

[kindred oyster]

if you want to contribute , do it in server

dont promote your own social media

[drifting sentinel]

I am intermediate level c++ and learning to become expert level in python. I’m currently in school for electrical engineering is this enough to pursue a career in AI and robotics or do I need to go to graduate school ?

[vapid jay]

But I like conversation in ig

[kindred oyster]

this is a discord server where everyone can chat , contribute here or dont

advertising your own social media is not allowed here

[vapid jay]

I'm not advertising but okay if you want

hello some one hlep me to create csv file in python

hello there i am unable to create the csv file it doesn't appear in exploer menu and file directory too but code runs smoothly

[gritty rivet]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[vapid jay]

I get it dude

[dense plover]

Is there any gui editor in python

I'm tired of watching yt tutorials bc I'm new to python and don't really want to code for gui

[gritty rivet]

You're in the career channel, maybe try #python-discussion or #editors-ides

[dense plover]

Ok

[silver jacinth]

Me doing linear

[buoyant seal]

it has some real usability ^_^ in case of computer graphics. yay.

[buoyant seal]

Multiplying matrixes in a right away, can make nice visuals

[silver jacinth]

Hurts my head

[silver jacinth]

But if I make games, I'll just use ue5. I'll never touch making my own engine

[quiet marsh]

insane 👏

matricies are hard for me to understand

like i get them and how the work, but it is hard for me to actually apply them in practice

[buoyant seal]

Sounds smth like if u use SQL ORMs, you don't have to know raw SQL (in reality u need to know raw SQL in order to understand how to use SQL ORMs without fubar)
Also... it is always nice to have an option of implementing a thing u wish anywhere, without dependency on particular tool set. For example just drawing in canvas or smth

[silver jacinth]

SQL is easy though

But reinventing everything is not good. That's what I meant, so I wouldn't use linear in a career unless I enter one which utilizes it

Such as working with graphics stuff

[quiet marsh]

i cant wait until i can take a lin alg class. where in the mathematics progression does it usually fall? next year im taking calc3, diff eqs, discrete math, and stats all dual credit through my local community college as a senior in hs. will i be able to take lin alg as a freshman in college?

damn. i wish my hs offered lin alg as one of the dual credit classes so i could take it with calc

[granite pumice]

Does anyone have any recommendations for someone that is just getting started

[molten sundial]

I m new too

[deft herald]

Don't stop?

[deft herald]

What kind of recommendations are you looking for exactly? And what are you getting started in?

[quiet marsh]

do whatever it takes to always be working on something you enjoy

[fringe sphinx]

You're taking four dual enrollment maths? Wow.

[quiet marsh]

Yeah, they are all 1 sem classes, so it’s pretty much like taking 2 classes

[fringe sphinx]

You better be math minoring.

[quiet marsh]

Im prolly gonna dual major in physics and math

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I know, still, you're done with math for most engineering majors

[quiet marsh]

Damn

[fringe sphinx]

But, on plus side, you can finally take real math classes, and be done with the intro college math stuff

[hushed ravine]

general question but what are the factors you consider before picking a career path

[quiet marsh]

fr

[granite pumice]

Okay so because I'm kinda new to everything, and I need to learn like a totally new language. I know that commitment is important, but I would like to know what helped you or could help me to make the journey more approachable, because learning about the strings, variables and more are a bit overwhelming

[deft herald]

Well for a job in general...

• do i have the skillset for this job?
• if not, what do i need to do to obtain the skillset?
• how much does it pay?
• benefits?
• location?
• am I even at all interested in the work?

[fringe sphinx]

i think there's a difference between a career path and a major. Picking a major does not mean a career 'path', it means opening certain doors.

[quiet marsh]

get a little experience in as many things as you can as early as possible and see what you enjoy and what you dont enjoy

[deft herald]

Biggest thing that helped me was time and practice. Also having a degree...

[hushed ravine]

still considering a major right now but in general im interested in using technology to advance scientific research

[deft herald]

What kind of research? anything interest you in particular?

[hushed ravine]

biological research, so like 3d imaging from machine scans, prediction models for diseases, overall using CS/DS concepts to help solve biological issues

[deft herald]

I just learned about a new degree from my alma mater called Quantitative Biosciences and Engineering
https://www.mines.edu/academics/program/bachelors-quantitative-biosciences-and-engineering/

Might want to find something like that

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe look into bio med engineering, too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomedical_engineering

[hushed ravine]

right now im doing BME but might switch to ds, I think that foundation will be overall more applicable to a wider range of scenarios if I decide not to pursue biology

[vapid jay]

pyqt5 has a visual designer

[fringe sphinx]

IMO, becoming a strong coder is an important foundational skill that is applicable across the sciences.

[sly fossil]

When i use Luna grabber it wont let me setup it do anything with the links

If i click setup it goes in Python but DOESN'T put all the stuff in it can someone help?

@fringe sphinx can u help?

[fringe sphinx]

#❓｜how-to-get-help

[sly fossil]

@fringe sphinxits no code

Billy dm me @fringe sphinx il show

[fringe sphinx]

I don't dm

If you need help, open a help thread plz.

And, if Luna grabber is something malicious, see our #rules.

[vapid jay]

I am here billy

[sour tartan]

@vapid jay it's hard to get a job.

[vapid jay]

yes, I am green to it yet

I know that the hardest is to start but after getting the first the doors are open

[sour tartan]

did you get any feedback from people that turned you down?

[vapid jay]

'sorry but we decided to go with another candidate that was a better match'

[sour tartan]

sometimes you can get more details

[vapid jay]

the email looks ctrl c ctrl v sometimes lolol

[smoky quest]

Feel free to post an anonymized version of your resume

[spare sage]

anyone use git or github?

[sour tartan]

@vapid jay did you get interviews? How do you think they went?

[vapid jay]

I got one for go role

[spare sage]

how do y'all share code?

[vapid jay]

github

[sour tartan]

github is very common, but that's not a career topic. try the main channel.

[sour tartan]

how was the interview?

[spare sage]

which main channel?

[vapid jay]

do you put an 'about me' session?

[harsh remnant]

No

[frozen dragon]

Hey does anybody who knows how to fix a discord python bot error dm me

[sour tartan]

#python-discussion

[smoky quest]

it depends

[vapid jay]

I thought it was great, but the interviewer said that they didnt had projects for brazil at this moment and they would keep in touch with me
it was an international consultancy

[sour tartan]

you can't control things like geography

[vapid jay]

yes

[harsh remnant]

I think the best way to get a job right now is either asking your buddies for a referral or reaching out to recruiters themselves. It’s just really hard right now since everyone wants to jump in on the hype train.

[vapid jay]

I think I am going to try a less hyped language like C# or PHP, Idk if javascript market is good, because it looks so saturated

[harsh remnant]

When did u start looking for job? Lisan Al Gahib

I’m guessing u had an internship through COOP?

[vapid jay]

how much you know

[harsh remnant]

That’s really lucky, normally that never happens. Where do u live?

[vapid jay]

have you made any big project to portfolio? like an ecommerce or... idk

what did u build

[sour tartan]

i'm not sure why you think a different language will be a better job experience.

[vapid jay]

I guess the saturation of the market in certain techs

[sour tartan]

isn't Python in high demand?

[smoky quest]

I would spam all the roles you want to target, regardless of their popularity or language

[vapid jay]

looks like you are in a more specific area

[whole flare]

It is.

[vapid jay]

cool

I got a software engineering from boeing following me in github, that's an achievement at least

password management, I used encryptation, sqlite3 and cli menu

using salt and key derivation function, it was cool at that time
after that I made some api's and websites

[fringe sphinx]

Have you shared your resume (anonymized)?

[vapid jay]

i do yeah

[harsh remnant]

Normally you’ll want just 1 page but if it works it works I guess

[true harness]

"verbose" means "using more words than necessary"

[smoky quest]

yeah not reading that book

[true harness]

it is dense, to be fair

[harsh remnant]

If it works it works

[smoky quest]

I would advise against optimizing for people who would read it

It reminds me of the if you can't handle me at my worst meme

[harsh remnant]

U should consider putting it all on 1 page though. If a person with 10 years of experience can put it on 1 page, you can too. Something I read online on TikTok

[smoky quest]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/if-you-cant-handle-me-at-my-worst

"if you can't read my terrible long paragraphs, you don't deserve my skills"

yeah, because that's the segment of job interviewers you are isolating yourself from.
What is judged here is the resume, not what you specifically did

Had you made a 10 pages long resume, it would still be terrible, regardless of the content

To be super explicit, people not reading your resume is not a failure on them, but a failure in the candidate in communicating their value

not writing paragraphs like books that no one would read. That would be a good start

[true harness]

you just need to think about it from the other side. if you have 1500 other resumes to get through, are you gonna spend 5 minutes reading this resume? of course not, because chances are there's an equally good (or better) candidate with a nicer to read resume in the rest of the pile

[hearty island]

holy fuck 5 interviews combined both this week and next, i'm gonna be drained

[true harness]

even a terrible resume can get a job; it's about the likelihood 😛

why would you put it there if it's not going to be read

[smoky quest]

it's like stating "anyone can get a job"

[true harness]

it's not 2 minutes, it's 45 seconds. but that's besides the point; a resume shouldn't need planning to read. it should ~flow~

[smoky quest]

you can read far more than a header in 30-45s.

Writing books also convey below average communication skills

[true harness]

sure, they are looking to hire. but there are 1500 other candidates that are conforming. why should they pay particular attention to you?

[smoky quest]

this is exactly how you end up with "we have found a better fit"

It's like trying to argue for using camel case in python because you want to and you are ok not working with anyone else, despite everyone else not using that convention

[true harness]

again, it's not really about whether it's possible, but whether it's better than a differently formatted resume

[smoky quest]

You don't need to ping me for immature reactions.
I have no doubt you can find a job. I do have doubts you can find the same kind of jobs I am talking about

indeed. That's standard practices

Going fast includes being able to communicate effectively. That is a common problem for verbose people in interviews or promotions

you haven't demonstrated a growth mindset. So I am not going to repeat myself.
You got advice and you can decide to follow or ignore

[lapis pewter]

can someone send me the discord.py server please

[regal axle]

https://discord.gg/dpy

[fringe sphinx]

For a screen: I skim the first bullets of each experience, and check education. Then I decide whether to read or not

[spice ridge]

Whats the best language to learn for mobile app development? Don't have apple so smth other than swift. From research it seems like Kotlin or Dart - which ones better?

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, that is definitely a lot. Good luck!

[smoky quest]

you just need to start with something. You can always pick up the other based on the job(s)

[hearty island]

it definitely is quite a bit

[spare sage]

what do you guys think is a marketable language to learn for linkedin/jobs in data engineering or data sci?

[sour tartan]

python

[smoky quest]

python

[spare sage]

anyone know r code or SAS?

[smoky quest]

some people do

[spare sage]

i know R studio and SQL so far, new to python

for stats courses

[sudden timber]

had to learn r for a statistics class, was not a fan

[smoky quest]

In terms of career, a degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation. Especially for data related jobs

[spare sage]

ok thanks!

what languages do y'all know?

what are y'all interested in? SW dev or SW eng or ML?

[smoky quest]

I stopped counting.
Most people will see too many languages to track. Just from school, you will most likely see a few

[rough ridge]

The ones I regularly use are python, rust and typescript. But I have learnt at lot more at some point or another

[spare sage]

Any one do ML? Like NLP?

Using python or c++? Postgrel sql? Or just coding no datasets

React js for game app creation?

Hackathons at schools or online?

[smoky quest]

you are bound to find all sorts of people here

[spare sage]

Any college people here with internship experience?

What advice do you have?

[sudden timber]

Apply to every job you might want regardless of whether you meet the posted requirements

[true harness]

...about?

[sudden timber]

a lot of internships these days will ask for stupid levels of experience

[spare sage]

Coding interviews

Types of coding tasks in interviews

[sour tartan]

practice the coding tool they are going to use.

[spare sage]

Are they like do the hello world thing

[sudden timber]

depends on the job

[spare sage]

For sure

[sour tartan]

talk through the entire thing, explain what you are thinking. ask them questions to be sure you're going down the right path.

[spare sage]

Yup! Preach

Any sites for coding interview practice

[smoky quest]

• Prepare your resume and get it reviewed
• Practice leetcode type interview, especially for coding jobs
• Practice SQL type interviews, especially for data related jobs
• Practice behavioral interviews with friends

[sudden timber]

leetcode/codewars/etc cover the dsa stuff, chatGPT can actually be a decent mock interviewer as long as you don't trust its feedback on your solutions

[sour tartan]

idk what they ask young-career people, but i''ve seen real-world coding exercises, not "reverse a red/black tree" or whatever.

[sudden timber]

another wall in the interview process can be the behavioral interview stuff, they will ask you questions about your previous work/school experience: when have you last had a disagreement with a teammate, how did you solve that, stuff like that. Those are good things to study and have premade answers to

[rough ridge]

What if I don't have good answers for those, I can't remember every disagreeing with a teammate really

[sudden timber]

make up something that sounds good

[smoky quest]

disagreement doesn't mean you get into a fight.
It can be a simple disagreement in terms of approach or technical decision

[smoky quest]

don't make up things that sounds good. That doesn't work that way and will hurt you more than it helps

[rough ridge]

I can't remember any specific such scenario

[smoky quest]

so you always had a mind meld with everyone in your life? You always were in agreement with every single thing?

[sudden timber]

it sure does work that way but agree to disagree

at least on the behavioral stuff, I'm not talking about lying on your CV or about your skills/work experience

[smoky quest]

that would be missing the point anyway

[sudden timber]

missing the interviewer's point, my point as an interviewee is to get hired

[rough ridge]

When working on projects, yes as far as I can remember, I mean we discuss stuff, but nothing that has felt like disagreeing, we just talk about different ideas until we decide on something together

[smoky quest]

That does count as a disagreement

[rough ridge]

But it was never a "I think my idea is better", just a "I had this idea, what do you think"

[spare sage]

Ty!

[smoky quest]

if you both didn't agree, that does sound like a disagreement, regardless of the outcome

otherwise, you do sound like a doormat

[kindred lion]

To extend on this, even if they agreed with most and suggested parts to improve, that is a disagreement about a part of the idea

[rough ridge]

I just like hearing everyone out, if they wanna go a different route I am very often fine with that

[smoky quest]

The point of this question is not about whether or not you have disagreement, but how you deal with them and what you learned from it

[neat shadow]

spoke to guido at work today

[true harness]

you're going to get cooked when they ask for more details

[rough ridge]

It just feels kind of dull? "I proposed an idea, they pointed out flaws, we worked together to find good solution, the end"

[sudden timber]

I have done it in plenty of interviews, it's really not that hard but yeah there is a risk of being caught out

[kindred lion]

They pointed out flaws that I further researched [provide information here, compare/contrast] and came up with a solution [why was it better from that disagreement] that solves the problem more effectively

[smoky quest]

There is actually a lot to say about how you approach these types of situations and how you would approach them differently or not today

[sudden timber]

you don't have to outright fabricate shit though, you can just bend the truth

[smoky quest]

pretty easy to catch

[sudden timber]

not really

[true harness]

in interviews for companies that i actually wanted to be at, the follow up questions were such that if you hadn't guessed them beforehand, you really wouldn't be able to come up with answers on the spot

[smoky quest]

you just don't see it as an interviewee

[sudden timber]

yeah coming up with a lie on the spot is probably a bad idea, the point was about preparing answers/stories that make you look good when you don't have real experiences you can draw from

[rough ridge]

I still can't really think of any specific times, because they have all just been normal parts of the design process so I never paid much attention to them

[smoky quest]

disagreements are absolutely part of the normal process.
Not having any disagreement is a red flag in itself

[rough ridge]

That's what I mean, I never paid much attention to them because they are normal, so I don't have any specific instances to point to

[sudden timber]

for example, one time they asked me that question in an interview, I had done a team project in college but we hadn't had any major disagreements. I just made up that my teammate and I had a disagreement about x function and it was resolved in y way that sounds good.

[smoky quest]

Well, then it's a good time to start paying attention 😉

[rough ridge]

literally graduating tomorrow yes I shall do that

[smoky quest]

best time to start was yesterday. The second best time is today

[smoky quest]

if it stopped there, it wasn't a behavioral interview. It's missing a crucial piece.

[rough ridge]

Yesterday also seems like it would have been a really late time to start /s

[smoky quest]

The third best time to start was the day before yesterday

[sudden timber]

I mean ofc they asked a bunch more questions, but they weren't all focused on that project. What crucial piece is missing?

[smoky quest]

Unfortunately, not gonna expand on that because of rule 5

[sudden timber]

what part of the explanation would violate rule 5?

[smoky quest]

the part that helps someone cheat

[sudden timber]

that is a ridiculous cop out of the conversation but ok

[sacred cargo]

Is there any chances to get junior backend positions with flask? Or to put it in other words, is there any demand for it?

[smoky quest]

sure, why not?

[sacred cargo]

I was just looking through applications and wasn't finding any on linked in or glassdoor.

[smoky quest]

I see quite a few on linkedin.

[smoky quest]

why specifically flask though?

[sacred cargo]

I'm building a project in it rn, what would you recommend?

[smoky quest]

look for python backend rather than a specific framework. If you know flask, you would zero issue adapting to django or others.

Note also that a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation. So make sure to work on that as well if you aren't already

[sacred cargo]

I have major in CS, I think my main problem is I have like... 0 finished projects

[smoky quest]

what did you do in school then?

[sacred cargo]

School?

[smoky quest]

yes, where you got your major in CS

[sacred cargo]

In university.

[smoky quest]

indeed

[sacred cargo]

I've done some boot strap front end while working in a team for bachelors degree and for major it was simple approximation algorithm for calculating the speed with witch corona was spreading (it was 90% research though)So basically wasted time.

[smoky quest]

why is it wasted time?

[sacred cargo]

Well, If I was building more projects, I would be more suited to find a job I think.

[smoky quest]

yeah, in general schools would have you make more than one project over the course of your education

[copper yarrow]

just enrolled for a BS Computer Science degree wish me luck!

[versed goblet]

Hey! I am a beginner How can I contribute in open source in python and get in touch with the maintainers ?

[harsh remnant]

Github

[versed goblet]

i have zero idea how to use github
please guide me

[coarse basin]

My first year just ended and I started learning DSA using python during this summer break. In coming months, I want to gain some open source experience. Any guide or tips for me would be greatly appreciated.

[neat hatch]

Hi everyone! I am an incoming final year Data science undergraduate, and I wish to do a final year project as I wish to contribute to smth meaningful, and possibly enter grad school in the future. Problem is, i have absolutely no ideas on what my thesis should be. I'm thinking of doing smth deep learning related but i am not sure.

I am quite lost on this and I really hope seniors here can guide me on how to find a thesis topic. Where/what should i start researching/reading on? How to know what things are needed in the industry, so that i can research on it?

[brazen island]

I hope I don't regret turning down the ML engineer role several years down the line. I just did it and the recruiter seemed honestly sad.

But like, the role I took is a bit ... easier? My current role only required 20-50 % of my time and effort while still having great performance. For the rest I did my own projects, watched Netflix or just slept.

The new role I accepted will require more but not 100 %. I'm going to try to do more, maybe go to 100 % for the first time since I graduated 😅.

Their main competitor 😂 (both are in consulting).

They do no cutting edge ML projects (except gen AI, which doesn't count). The projects are more centred around accelerating companies that aren't doing a lot with data yet. Building the pipelines and so on. If 2-3 projects have been done on the same account and they have good fundamentals then they gradually turn into ML projects.

The one I rejected has way bigger accounts (e.g., big banks) that have more maturity and more advanced, but way longer, projects.

They had (or have?) an R&D division but I'm curious if they didn't just convert them to engineers because of the market

Iirc they were doing stuff like geometric deep learning, which is pretty cutting edge for industry

Because you're afraid the R&D dept will just throw things over the wall that are undercooked and not ready for prod?

Hmmmm I disagree a bit. I work with bio engineers. They're smart people and also great at ML. They have no clue about deployment or how to do inference at scale, but they're product focused

If I were you I'd take anything that looks legitimate enough and use that as a launchpad when the market rebounds

That's another thing to factor in yes, but if you're moving to a decent location you want to stay in medium to long term that's also a win

Did you end up rejecting them?

One of my good friends is going through this process (applying from abroad + relocating, doesn't need a visa) and it seems rough

[tender garnet]

Hey

Is cloud computing in demand technology for Freshers

[neat hatch]

Hey please do share! im happy to know about them

[brazen island]

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[brazen island]

Let's move this to #data-science-and-ml might be easier to discuss there

[tender thicket]

!ban 818906709401534475 14d why did you post a yoga ad of all things?

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @tender garnet until <t:1720083991:f> (14 days).

[shell stream]

hey, i'm a core dev of a blockchain project that is using native python smart contracts - no transpilers etc, just pure python - and if this is a field you are interested in then we could probably work out some interesting things you could work on. i can also imagine that we pay you for that work. some examples:

1. auto generate smart contracts by describing to an AI what the contract should do
2. same as 1) but by sending audio to AI
3. integrating that blockchain with some real world scenario
4. smart contracts to use Mojo instead of python

these are just things i can think of immediately but if you are interested and have other ideas then let me know!

[shell stream]

@turbid bobcat great ideas! thanks for bringing them up. i will note them down since these might be interesting for us too 👍

[brisk trench]

working in a clinical research lab this year. much of the work is hypothesis testing and similar analysis
completely new to coding and need some help! thing is i've started already so not only need a resource for learning but any basic repositries or templates to help get some of the simpler things done

thank you so so much! please link me with any help! ty

[gritty rivet]

!rules 6 9

Sorry but that's not allowed here, please delete.

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[gritty rivet]

!resources

This request is pretty vague, what exactly are you looking for? In the meantime maybe this list has something relevant for you

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[cinder fossil]

definitely a smaller job market, that's for sure

but quite valuable skills yeah. I ended up becoming a cloud engineer pretty early on thanks to university internships and ended up pretty well paid

[molten sundial]

Hi I m a student

[mighty belfry]

I am applying for internship. i need to improve my resume how can i? do you have suggestions for me.

[upper flume]

i'd add a picture and contact information

[mighty belfry]

I have added contact information at top, below my name.

[upper flume]

i think that's better for the job interview, but not better for posting here

[hearty island]

picture??? that's only gonna work in certain countries.

[plucky mulch]

Hi I am student can u suggest me project topic which can contain 200 marks

[upper flume]

must be a cultural thing then. i'm from the netherlands, most resumes i see have a picture

[hearty island]

ah we don't do that in the US, i see

[upper flume]

ah i didnt know. also i don't know where he is based

maybe he is in the US and it's better not to add a picture

[whole flare]

By the looks of it, they're based in India

[upper flume]

yea that makes sense

[dapper bane]

guys I need help I am gonna write proposal for gsoc all my contributions are whack man • Discovered SSH brute force attack vulnerability • Discovered vulnerability related to session login • Integrated anti-root detection in react native • Reverse engineered the app and discovered that some API keys are visible, informed the team • Discovered DDoS vulnerability • Developed a method of uploading images by removing their metadata to mitigate potential security risks, and discovered a vulnerability related to potential malware entry in the backend server via image uploads • Developed a slack bot that sends errors to the slack server from the server • Worked on eazebuzz payment api

damn

@turbid bobcat bro I am really if u dont like the ping but I really need ur help

I need to pick the best ones

nah man I am applying to django and react native roles

I am sure the impacts of my stuff could be very great if I write them correctly

    • Integrated anti-root detection in react native
    • Reverse engineered the app and discovered that some API keys are visible, informed the team 
• Developed a method of uploading images by removing their metadata to mitigate potential security risks, and discovered a vulnerability related to potential malware entry in the backend server via image uploads
• Developed a slack bot that sends errors to the slack server from the server
• Worked on eazebuzz payment api  ```

[hearty island]

FINRA grilled me for applying to another role during the interview
weird ass interview

They were like yea the manager is deep in the interview process
And he was like when are you meeting with the team again? And I was like monday
like wtf
should i have lied?

and then the classic "oh i'll talk to the hiring mgr and i'll lyk"

like hahahahahaha that's fucking hilarious

[ocean dew]

so im starting again from scratch, has anone got any tips for me?

[hearty island]

it's fucking bullshit HR talk, i've dealt with it enough to know

[brisk trench]

Hey ! I’m a resident surgeon so I mainly do clinical research involving basic stats and hypothesis testing.
I have basic familiarity with R and Python but because of work not much time.

To be more specific, i'm looking for guides/videos/repositories or even videos that specifically look at coding for clinical research, which involves hypothesis testing, machine learning for predictors of disease, and clustering analysis for methylation patterns for prognostication.

I'm having some specific issues with a few projects. it would help to see some examples of how it's done correctly. Unable to find much, would appriciate any help!

[plush summit]

No hate but what is special about discovering vulnerbilities?

[dapper bane]

hey lisan

[fringe sphinx]

You may want to ask in #data-science-and-ml : the more specific your question, the better the answer will likely be. Machine learning, as you can imagine, is very domain specific.

[hearty island]

idiotic recruiter behavior, another thing i have to tolerate. when it rains it pours

[fringe sphinx]

The recruiters are not the decision makers, it's a job where you can't make everyone happy.

[hearty island]

they shouldn't have been talking to each other in the first place

[plush summit]

I mean yoi got bughunters yeah but most basic problems can be found with penetration testing?

[brisk trench]

great! mainly basic stats

[dapper bane]

hey is no one gonna talk about my resume

which one ?

oh anti root ?

I integrated anti root protection using jail monkey

it implies I used packages to prevent to prevent the app being used under root privileges preventing stuff like game guardian

yes that is it that is what I meant

[balmy mural]

Last time I was job hunting one recruiter wanted to know at what other companies I was interviewing or how far along in the process I was with other companies. I was honest and then asked why - reason was so that they knew how fast they would have to act on it if they did decide I was the best candidate for the role. (I got an offer the next day, but ended up going with a different company)
If interviewers started grilling me just because I was interviewing with different companies I'd thank them for their time and end the interview on my own accord

[hearty island]

interviewing with the same company for a different role as well

that's why they got pissed. i'm upset the recruiters talked about me behind my back. they're upset when they did something they never should have

i don't either. cannot predict behavior

[balmy mural]

Seems perfectly normal to me as well. Could be colleagues talking, could be that A knew you'd fit better for role B, so spoke to people hiring for role B and turns out you already applied?

[hearty island]

no, it's not perfectly normal if you're holding it against the candidate

[balmy mural]

Ah wait, I misread your message

But yea, if they have an issue with it, I'd walk away. I wouldn't be interested in working there after such an interaction

[hearty island]

i can't just walk away either, interviews don't exactly fall from trees. i unfortunately have to handle this behavior too.

[balmy mural]

Yea, I guess you can only walk away if you're in a position of already having a job and don't mind staying at it for longer

[hearty island]

i have a flimsy internship that lasts till august and i am desperately trying to find a way out

[dapper bane]

how should I write my proposal for gsoc guys ?

someone please holp

[balmy mural]

They have some documentation on what elements should be in a proposal
https://google.github.io/gsocguides/student/writing-a-proposal

[dapper bane]

thanks

[whole flare]

I've yet to see a bug bounty pay out anything over 250k for a single vulnerability/exploit

[plush summit]

Than the found a bug without it being a bounty ig and paid out in crypto

[whole flare]

What?

[plush summit]

If they want a really high bounty

[whole flare]

At that point, you likely wouldn't mention that you sold a 0-day on the black market in your resume

[whole flare]

I'm not sure I follow, but we can take it to off-topic or #cybersecurity

👍

[plush summit]

Just saying really high bounties would be randsom if explout without knowing that s it but illegal

[dapper bane]

so u got any job ?

which projects should I look for gsoc ?

u should see their website they explain better thant I can

oss ?

[jade python]

Somebody knows freelancer jobs with python?

[dreamy shadow]

Late post: Never thought this would occur to me. But I got a rejection letter 3 years later. name and shame

[deft herald]

amazing

[gleaming plume]

heyy, I will need your help I am not a developer but I had a bot automation for my business except it meets errors, is what you will help me and fix all errors in exchange for money

pm me

[analog sun]

!rule 9 This is not the place to solicit paid help

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[gleaming plume]

ooh sorry my bad !!

but how can i get help haha, im so bad in developement

[magic elk]

Anyone pro pro here? Like someone Who got a bachelor degree in computer engigneering or computer sience

[deft herald]

Lots, my friend

I got a BS in electrical engineering

And I have a job, so I guess that makes me pro

There are quite a few others around here too

[idle badger]

why do i see memes of going homeless after getting a comp sci degree

[smoky quest]

probably linked to the latest string of layoffs and the difficulty for entry level engineers to enter the market?

[tender hound]

Do u think comp sci degree matters for Job profile or others as a programmer

[smoky quest]

a CS degree will be the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[tacit bone]

How much were you guys paid at an entry level python-based job? Please specify what job it was as well.

[smoky quest]

it depends on the role, location, education level, company's maturity, etc.

[tacit bone]

Yeah well, feel free to answer with those metrics specified as well!

[smoky quest]

am not gonna give a table with 5 dimensions

[tacit bone]

well I didn't ask for a table with 5 dimensions, you chose to bring it up!

[sterile onyx]

I wonder if anyone has tried Julia programming language? They claim it is faster than Python and more suitable for compute-intensive tasks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZMCFSjg8JA
What are the jobs available for Python compared to Julia?

[smoky quest]

Indeed. Because you chose to bring that question

[tacit bone]

Yeah well, if you're not interested in answering the question, you could've just refrained from responding

Instead of being pretty destructive to the conversation tbh.

[smoky quest]

This is a complex question that does require a complex solution.
Unfortunately, there is no easy answer there.

Good luck!

[smoky quest]

this is probably a better fit for #python-discussion

[tacit bone]

I'm just asking for people's personal experiences man, I'm aware the scene is complicated.

[sterile onyx]

Kids are chatting over there like it is their DM.

[smoky quest]

they will make space for interesting topics

[tacit bone]

Maybe if you asked something interesting, the "kids" would entertain it.

[sterile onyx]

I have already asked my question, whether it is interesting or not is totally subjective!

[tacit bone]

Fair and balanced!

[gritty rivet]

When I switched from a help desk technician to a Python dev in 2022 my salary went from mid-50s to mid-70s. I'm still in that first dev job making over 90k. This is in the US

Glad I made the switch when I did because I'm not sure I could in this market

[tacit bone]

Oh that's great, your salary has doubled after switching jobs from an IT dude to a python-dev, why would you not be able to make the switch in this market?

[true harness]

you can try to find appropriate figures for your situation online

[deft herald]

I started at $56k back in 2012. Now 12 years later at a different job I make around 3x that with much better benefits

[strange pumice]

Thoughts on .NET framework

[fringe sphinx]

Umm, a. This is careers channel. B. This is Python discord. C. That's a really low effort question 🙂

[strange pumice]

darn

[fringe sphinx]

Maybe ask a specific question? And frame it with some context (who are you and why are you asking?)

[strange pumice]

its ok nvm you have a point

[tacit bone]

still good to get into programming and ignoring your passion, cuz of the buyers market situation?

[deft herald]

For what it's worth, i think that same job i got back in 2012 would pay way more now

[tacit bone]

Do you think with the salary you currently receive, someone would be able to comfortably live in NYC?

[fringe sphinx]

Ignoring your passion?

Don't do programming if you don't like programming.

[deft herald]

Single? yeah. Supporting the size family i have right now? Not a chance

[tacit bone]

I've seen other advices from prominent software developers, they don't like the act of coding itself, but enjoy creating stuff.

[fringe sphinx]

NYC is a little unfair, one of the most expensive metros in US

[tacit bone]

And the pay is good.

[tacit bone]

What about other metropolitans in the US?

[deft herald]

Well i'm currently in the us, so...

[buoyant seal]

Technically there is easy answer. @tacit bone just Google Glassdoor, job role (optionally with rank), country name, optionally town
if u wish analytics

[deft herald]

Though i'm not living like downtown anywhere

[tacit bone]

Yeah makes sense

[deft herald]

It really depends on what you mean by "comfortable"

[fringe sphinx]

SWEing is a well paid field. As are many others. And none of them are 'easy'.

[tacit bone]

Yeah SWE is the field I'm interested in.

[deft herald]

Right; no matter what your salary is and what level of comfortable living you require, it is always a good amount of work to maintain a budget and be wise with your finances. There's no amount of money you can make where that's not the case

I guess at a certain point you can pay someone for that...but they will still be working hard

[tacit bone]

not have to worry about money I guess, not living like a spendthrift, but money isn't constantly on the front burner either when you're going out.

[fringe sphinx]

Then don't live in nyc 🙂

[tacit bone]

Yeah lol

[summer roost]

There's definitely a point where you don't spend much time thinking about finances. If your net income is 2x your expenditures, you probably never need to check your account balance before paying a bill or buying something affordable

[tacit bone]

oo where do you live?

chad

[fringe sphinx]

Also a personality thing. I'm terrible with finances, but also never worry about them either. My accountant friends are the opposite. I think we are all at similar income and expense levels.

[tacit bone]

Yup that's the dream, invest a good part of your pay check into S&P's and hopefully make it big.

[tacit bone]

do you have any addictions or expensive hobbies? those are usually the causes for having a hard time managing finances.

[fringe sphinx]

Not particularly. Works my hobby. But kids are expensive 🙂

[tacit bone]

Yeah I feel ya, though I don't got kids yet.

facts

being a good parent and fulfilling your kids wants and needs is hard

[smoky quest]

it's a start.
Although glassdoor is a bit outdated and does not cover all the markets

[teal stratus]

hi guys - do you think its worth to re learn python to use in medicine as to read and extract info from files , automate creating files and calculations based on info from different file forms or numbers extracted from web pages

i used to play with python then i started workin in hospital so i got back to zero - now i just have a feeling that python can introduce help

indeed , the thing is my community just woke up to programming its not a normal thing here yet lol ppl underestimate it so grossly

lol to be honest exactly what i am doing now - chemotherapy

oh honey - i feel ya , i feel bad that i take more secs just copying stuff over and over while i see my pediatric patient is waiting for his treatment at the door

me at the momentum - sis just another ctrl + v and u will be free

well tnx hon- appreciate the help

[regal axle]

Waiting for responses sucks

[grim hazel]

what's with the meth in the example

[fringe sphinx]

Wrong channel. #❓｜how-to-get-help

[vapid jay]

Can someone describe to me the state of the job scene for knowing python? A little about me, I started programming when I was 27 and I am 34. I feel too old and somewhat inept. I have no confidence that I could actually get a job programming because I think I am too stupid to compete with others. I guess that's just a personal problem. I have already had like 30 jobs and I feel like I could never sit down in another interview. Maybe I should be talking to a life coach haha. But what's the job market like? Are jobs rare? Is it super competitive?

I think I would like to help work on droids. As in the ones which are going to be walking around. But I also think that people go to college to get a degree for jobs like that and I am self taught , I never went to university.

[pine sleet]

generally it's tough to land a job in SWE w/o a degree, but if you've have a lot of experience working before, you could use that as leverage

it comes down to how you frame your previous jobs and their relevance to a certain role that you're going for

you asked for "state of the job scene for knowing python", I'm assuming that means you only have experience with Python, if that's so - regardless of how you phrase your previous experience it'll still be difficult, there are far more things employers look for than just knowing Python

[vapid jay]

Thank you.

[strange nova]

Yo where are u at? Seems like you're putting in applications all over the world lol. Gl with the interview. What position is it for?

[austere swan]

Hey guys wru doing Ai/ml or web development?

[brazen island]

something something about correlation and causation not being the same 🙂

But yeah, I'm curious what you'll end up landing eventually

Did you do the RAG thing? Deployed it and all?

[buoyant seal]

with AI topic raised again, i wish to mention having found looking like awesome article
A voice of truth in a house of madness 😄
https://ludic.mataroa.blog/blog/i-will-fucking-piledrive-you-if-you-mention-ai-again/

[brazen island]

AI is such a nuanced topic. My stance as a ML engineer is that your task is to avoid it at all cost because the TCO is so high, but when it makes sense to use it you should have the skills to do it successfully.

[buoyant seal]

do read it ^_^ it is among those lines

[brazen island]

The issue is that traditionally people in ML/AI were often times not SWEs but statisticians, Bio engineers, physiscists, (based on my colleagues). None of them can really code properly, don't know what HTTP stands for etc. It never provides value at all.

That's a correlation, you don't know it's because the changes were made that you got those extra interviews

[brazen island]

I think the person writes in such an annoying way hahaha. There's a bit of truth in there but idk why they have to make it so controversial

[buoyant seal]

the style hits the right spot for me 😄 too much of AI recently

i should add this to my list of questions during interviews: Asking if they have AI.
Not wishing to work in company that has it as main part of development
It would look too much dreadful in my resume. Wishing clean history of proper software development.

[austere swan]

Ai will replace humans

Ai will replace duck in the pond 😂😂

Why criminal tell us that he is criminal 😂

[brazen island]

"AI" as people think of it right now is just software engineering. It's calling an external service like Stripe. What people get wrong is that it makes no sense to integrate Stripe into a service that has nothing to do with payments. As the engineer you can stop this from happening and apply it correctly.

[austere swan]

My english is poor because i learn coding first btw I mean why chatgpt tell you that I will replace humans

Kind of

😌maybe you are right

[brazen island]

Just searching google has always been "AI". People forget this.

[austere swan]

Agi is same as ai

[brazen island]

Just a lot of hype and grifters right now, but saying you don't like AI also means you don't like basic things like searching the web or getting videos recommended on YouTube 🥴

[austere swan]

I think this is marketing strategy

[brazen island]

I don't think snake oil salesmen should convince you to buy their BS product, but nor should they dissuade you the real thing is also fake

[austere swan]

I also think Software development is real coding , and ai/ml is half math half coding

[austere swan]

Hmm Spotify is doing good

[austere swan]

Yes it's true I think

[brazen island]

Exactly. You should always try to do it with if else first but there's valuable problems out there that cannot be solved like that. (Such as searching the web). That's the job of the ML engineer. Solving it with if else wherever possible but also recognizizng when you need more.

[austere swan]

People will eventually know that ai is nothing but code itself 😂

[brazen island]

Anyhow. To round this up. There's been a lot of companies here that wanted to do "innovative ML" and after a couple of years they now have 2-3x more dev ops + SWEs than ML people

[austere swan]

Yes and i think it's all marketing that bunch of companies like Nivida are doing

When Nivida CEO says coding will be replaced by ai and coding is dead and everybody can code now after that Nivida profit touch the sky , so it's all marketing

Hmm , and people are saying ai will replace them I say Time will replace who not able to change
Time when machine developed in 19th century everyone was fear then also

Yes CEO is just representing

[balmy mural]

Until nvidia starts replacing their developers with ai, it's just marketing

[shell stream]

i don't mind actually. doing something for society is fine if you are into that. you then at least do something for someone else but what i hate is all the "look what i am" thing. like everyone is an entrepreneur. as if investing into some shitcoin and gaining 10k makes you an entrepreneur for example 🤣

[shell stream]

not sure about the high-tech sector where very specific knowledge and experience is needed but i do see a huge issue for "normal" devs in near future. not because you're not able to produce good code as a human but because AI does it 1000x faster. imo in future most devs will start getting prompt-engineers 🙂 they won't be gone but they will work together with AI for sure

[balmy mural]

Yes, AI is just another hammer in my toolbox. That said, except for boilerplate code, I've found any AI coding to be extremely limiting and unable to really do much more than just writing my boilerplate code for me. And then I still have to go through it and fix stuff most of the time. I don't see a future of devs being replaced by AI anytime soon.

People have been claiming that AI/Automation will be erasing jobs since forever. All it actually did was change what tools people use to do the same jobs or create jobs in a different market that lead to the automation tools that replace jobs

[hearty island]

do you remember how i was so angry yesterday? they moved me to the next round lmao

[austere swan]

Nivida will never do that

[balmy mural]

Exactly

[vestal viper]

Hello guys

is anyone here a ml engineer?

[fringe sphinx]

Best to just ask your questions. Lots of ppl are

[vestal viper]

can someone explain what do i need to learn to become a ml engineer?

i know pandas matplotlib sckikit learn

[deft herald]

what do you know so far?

wait you know those packages?

[vestal viper]

honestly, just a bit more than basic

[deft herald]

do you have any degree?

[vestal viper]

currently persuing bachelors in AI

[deft herald]

That seems like a good next step

Nothing we can tell you here that you won't learn in school

[vestal viper]

school isnt exaclty teaching in terms of what the industry is currently doing.

[deft herald]

Maybe not, but you need that good foundation down first

[fringe sphinx]

Lots of people want a roadmap, but there is no single roadmap. The more advanced you get, the more unique and narrow your path gets. Starting out, you need a good foundation. Maths, coding, theory.

Practically you could just do a survey of different techniques and do small projects in many domains (a computer vision, llm fine tuning, lstm, etc)

[deft herald]

PSVM i love you dawg

[vestal viper]

will I use models like knn, linear regression in a job?

[fringe sphinx]

I use linear regression all the time

[hearty island]

fuck, 5 interviews next week

[fringe sphinx]

Being good at EDA is an important skill

[peak halo]

You probably won't use knn. Models you train will use linear regression as part of the algorithm.

[peak halo]

What's eda

Oh exploratory data analysis

[hearty island]

@fringe sphinx , wish me luck bro

[fringe sphinx]

Exploratory data analysis. Just using basic stats to get a sense of the data

[vestal viper]

can i dm?

[fringe sphinx]

(What you probably do naturally when you start with a data set)

[fringe sphinx]

Nah, I don't dm. Also, I'm a data engineer... I'm ml adjacent

[fervent stag]

Python is great

[vapid jay]

Is national insurance and british passport an acceptable form of ID for an interview/work in general?

[fringe sphinx]

Presumably in Uk? Certainly not in Us 🙂

[vapid jay]

Yup, UK

[hearty island]

i'm also trying to network using the hofstra name

[vapid jay]

Although, how does one work in the US if i only have a british passport?

[true harness]

you need work authorization. this could come in the form of a visa

[vapid jay]

After years of work in UK, of course

[vapid jay]

Oh, okay. How does green card work? The internet makes the process sound complicated.

[true harness]

i have no idea. but it seems hard

[fringe sphinx]

There's many types of visas, including programs for students who recently graduated in the us

[vapid jay]

Yeah , student visa but that is entirely dependent on whether or not the university supports them and is willing to pay

[fringe sphinx]

It is complicated and long, and you need a sponsor (employer) who will stick with you during the process

[vapid jay]

But if i remember, it's usually the student that pays unless it's through some sort of scholarship

[vapid jay]

Oh, alright. Do you know how long the process can be?

Although, I'm not surprised as the government is trying to protect it's own country from any possible threats.

[fringe sphinx]

Took 3 years for one of my guys

[vapid jay]

Goodness, what did he do outside of that during that 3 years period?

[fringe sphinx]

But he was on OPT during that time, then h1b

[vapid jay]

OPT? I'm not familiar with that word

[fringe sphinx]

I think he worked for us for 6 years or so before he got it

[fringe sphinx]

Search f1 opt

[vapid jay]

Oh, okay. Doesn't sound so bad if he got payed during those 6 years.. But I'm assuming they payed him as if he was already in America, or do they look at where he currently lives?

[hearty island]

my friend got 90 days before he left the US after he graduated. he's from ukraine. got his job on the last day for sinclair advertising

[fringe sphinx]

He lived in US: he graduated from a local Uni, was eligible to work for 3 years on OPT, then got h1b

[vapid jay]

Damn, that must be nerve racking

[vapid jay]

Oh, okay. Glad it went well for him, but shocked it could take that long.

I'm assuming it's longer for most depending where they're from, religion, etc.

[hearty island]

oh so i've been talking to the hofstra graduate biz career relations person and she put me in touch with a hofstra alum at FINRA

[fringe sphinx]

The green card process was crazy complicated. And a lot of waiting. And if your employer goes out of business or fires you, you're screwed

[vapid jay]

Damn, so it's essentially one big lottery ticket

[hearty island]

yep

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, h1b is literally a lottery

Took him three tries to get it, down to the wire

[vapid jay]

I'll give it a try later down the line, but thanks for letting me know about OPT and h1b

I may need to make a revolutionary idea/project for them to give me a green card like the movie concussion if anyone is familiar with that movie, haha.

[fringe sphinx]

There's another visa for special talent

[vapid jay]

Oh, I'll research more about that. Anyway, I don't want to take any more of your time. All the best, and take care!

[hearty island]

Classic damian or just classic recruiter stuff?

[vapid jay]

He's only human after all

[hearty island]

https://tenor.com/view/hyperventilate-cant-breathe-hyperventilation-sheldon-cooper-gif-3510677630357883825

[white relic]

pressure
<-- you are here
reacting

[hearty island]

Trent! Long time no talk. How are you?

[white relic]

lots of work these days 🤷‍♂️ guess I can't complain about that

chasing funding, intern wrangling, keeping the team sane

how's the job hunt?

[true harness]

you have a summer intern? how are they 👀

[white relic]

several, arranged through the local STEM high school.

[hearty island]

It’s been quite difficult man. But I think there’s light at the end of the tunnel!

5 interviews this upcoming week 🙂

I’ve never gotten this many consecutive interviews

[white relic]

they do really amazing work for high schoolers but the problem is I don't have enough time to support their projects in addition to my own

[white relic]

That's great! Diligence paying off.

[hearty island]

It sure is! Now I just have to keep going. My current internship is going well too, but I don’t think they’re going to be happy with the amount of hours I keep missing

[white relic]

yep, it's no time to give up when the end is in sight

[true harness]

sheesh. is it just you wrangling or are there other people involved. at my intern place there's ~100 interns, so there's a whole hr (sub)team for it

[true hatch]

What should I expect of 8th grade?

[white relic]

mostly me

[hearty island]

my team at my internship is very unorganized

[white relic]

That depends entirely on your school.

[terse acorn]

I want to ask if there are job opportunities for django ?

[deft herald]

Probably

[leaden jasper]

!cban 578990093776322572 Don't share pirated or cracked software

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @frank ravine permanently.

[still condor]

!ban @frank ravine Malware

[inner wren]

:x: User is already permanently banned (#98030).

[harsh river]

slowpoke

[still condor]

oh

I actually reported the message 🥺

Though in the back of my mind I realize discord is unlikely to care

anyway... career discussion

[deft herald]

so...how's everyone's career coming along?

[gritty rivet]

Check your local job listings and you'll know

[true harness]

alright, i think. hbu

[deft herald]

not bad not bad. Review season is coming up in august

So there's always a push to go do stuff that impresses other people outside of your team. I absolutely hate it

[brazen island]

If someone annoys me during the interview and they move me to the next round I'd not take the job

[young talon]

im so cooked rn

[foggy jungle]

Hi guys , how do I report a guy in here ?

[pine sleet]

DM @severe widget

[young talon]

can someone tell me if I can finish file handling in 1 day

[silver jacinth]

Use a pigeon

[young talon]

I am preparing for another exam but I have computer exams too but they teach us fast and I am not able to understand

they are teaching 11th and 12 th portion in 3 months

I get ton of homework for physics chemistry and maths which takes up 6 hours so the python teacher told us to finish studying python in class only

yeah exactly

Is hs python used in college

I mean are the basics needed or it will be taught

Ok np

[pine sleet]

generally there's an intro to CS your first semester that will cover the basics of some language

often python

but later on it's usually expected that you either know a certain language (or multiple) or figure it out

[young talon]

that's great then I should have dropped computers and taken something easier for now

[pine sleet]

the language itself doesn't matter too much for higher level CS studies

the concepts are more important and you can probably implement them in any language

[young talon]

yeah coz to get computers in college I gotta study pcm properly

[true harness]

gotta be visible to management 😔. so what's your plan 👀

[neat hatch]

Oh wow thats interesting! Thanks for the reply!

got it! thanks for the informative sharing!!

[wraith minnow]

I’m available for python related projects

[fringe sphinx]

This isn't a job board

[smoky quest]

that becomes more true once you want to go beyond senior, for good reasons

[fringe sphinx]

I don't think I've ever felt this. The push is to have broader influence and awareness of the big picture. A principal should have a much broader perspective and influence than their code alone vs a junior who is generally task oriented.

[smoky quest]

Right. Which means the scope and impact goes beyond your team. Which means you leave a positive impression on other people outside of your team

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, yah, misread your intent, exactly.

[smoky quest]

Some people do have an impact and scope beyond their team, but if they leave a negative impression, that doesn't speak well of their positive impact :p

[granite kraken]

Hi all, I'm starting college this fall, and I was just wondering if it's worth starting to learn how to program now to get an advantage for future career opportunities/interviews, or would it be better to just take a break over a the summer until I start my lessons normally? Would love to get your opinions on this

[fringe sphinx]

Learning a little programming will make intro to programming easier (assuming you're taking it), and make your first semester a little smoother.

[digital fjord]

Honestly, if your college had a calculus course (which it usually does), the best thing you can do is brush up on math - being even mediocre at algebra makes calc pretty miserable. Beyond that, if you can figure out what language your college uses, learning that will make it easier, thus giving you more time for extracurriculars that will be helpful for your career stuff (or just take the time for your mental health, college can be a slog).

[granite kraken]

Yeah i'm already familiar with algebra and calc as i've taken it my senior year, I still havent gotten my class schedule yet but I can assume that it uses the basic ones that you can find everywhere. Overall i'm simply concerned that maybe im starting too early/putting too much effort and not prioritizing my mental health and whatnot, especially after working on college apps the past year or so

[granite kraken]

How long would you recommend studying for someone to have a sizable advantage during classes?

[vapid jay]

@turbid bobcat hey bud

[fringe sphinx]

2 months. Which incidentally is about as long as you have.

[granite kraken]

Oh so my summer is gone 😭

[fringe sphinx]

Huh? Not full time. Just spending an hour or so a day on it, sometimes more sometimes less.

[granite kraken]

Oh if it's something like an hour then that's reasonable I thought I had to full on grind all day for my to have an advantage

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, no. Don't grind. That's how you learn nothing. Small increments daily.

And to make it very efficient: when you get stuck, ask for help in #python-discussion

It's hard, but it's far easier doing it over the summer, especially starting -today- than trying to do it with 4 other classes

[granite kraken]

Yeah I gotcha

I think the problem is that I feel like I'm pressured by all these people who are complaining about the job scene and getting internships and whatnot and I feel like I'll fall behind if I don't start asap

[fringe sphinx]

Don't worry about that. Social media really makes things worse. My advice is only to make your freshman first semester easier: knowing programming makes -one- hard thing less stressful.

You could also study calculus or something else that tends to be hard for freshman.

But programming is fun, in comparison

[granite kraken]

Yeah as fun as calc was programming does seem more enjoyable

[granite kraken]

Will try to 🙏🏻🙏🏻

[fringe sphinx]

And seriously: hang out in #python-discussion , many people are in your position there, learning programming

[granite kraken]

I'll definitely do that as I get to be more familiar with the fundamentals more, thank you so much for you help 🙇🏻‍♂️

[pastel thunder]

will it be weird to ask HR to keep joining date as 2nd week of some month, because you want to resign after taking the annual bonus( which i assume will come in first week of month), so you can resign only in second week

also, is the annual bonus given in 12th salary? if cycle does not follow financial year
or is it 13th?

[fringe sphinx]

Not weird and totally normal/reasonable

[fringe sphinx]

No idea, depends on company I bet

[pastel thunder]

normally what happens?

[fringe sphinx]

With annual bonuses, I don't think there's a normal

[strange nova]

Remember Clark Griswold and his Christmas bonus- or lack thereof

[white relic]

I think we're talking about a 1 year "loyalty award" not an end of year bonus.

[pastel thunder]

and any idea of if it would be added to monthly salary or paid seperately?

[pastel thunder]

offer letter said annual bonus, based on performance

[white relic]

in my experience annual bonuses are usually issued around Christmastime and not after 1 year of employment.

But I know there are a lot of different ways of rewarding people and the 1 year award is a thing in some places.

[pastel thunder]

I wasnt given on march, nor in december (nor my colleague got that)

[analog sun]

My annual bonus was the end of May

[fringe sphinx]

It's a reasonable question to ask your manager. Totally reasonable.

[analog sun]

It depends on the company

[pastel thunder]

if it were to be given after 1 year retention, what could be excepted

[white relic]

It wouldn't be typical (again in my experience) for someone to get an annual bonus who hasn't been employed full time for at least most of the preceding 12 month period.

You don't get a Christmas bonus for starting in November.

But again this is highly company dependent and something you should ask your manager (or hiring manager, when interviewing) about, if it is important.

[regal axle]

Got reached out to by a founder through ycomb.
We shall see how this goes

[lapis garnet]

Hey guys! i’m an A-Level student (Year 12) and i’m trying to find work experience in London from the 15th to the 19th of July in tech/software development as part of a school WEX scheme. I’ve been looking for months now but most studios just don’t reply to me, and it’s getting closer and closer to the date. Does anybody know of any places that’d be able to offer it? I did consider Virtual Work Experience but the lady at my school who coordinates it said it’d be better to do an in-person one because i get to meet people in the industry

[fringe sphinx]

First, have you had your CV reviewed? You can post here (anonymized) if you like.

And, if you can't find something, have a plan B. Volunteer. Get involved in OSS. Go to Europython. Do something meaningful.

[lapis garnet]

yeah i have i’ve had my form tutor go over it with me

[sour ocean]

Is it best to study discrete structures a bit before you take a class for it?

Sorry, this is not career related. Im not sure where to ask this question

[pine sleet]

it can never hurt to get familiar with the contents of a class before the class

[sour ocean]

Okay thanks!

[true hatch]

What are other degrees than CS for software engineering. I'm just not good at math

[white relic]

You aren't even in high school yet (if I recall correctly), friend. There is plenty of time for you to become good at math. If you wanted to be a musician or an artist you would have to practice your craft and get good at it over time. Mathematical thinking is a skill you can learn too.

There are less mathy options but don't let the "I'm bad at math" self-narrative pigeonhole you at your age.

[true hatch]

What are the less mathy options?

[pastel thunder]

You gonna miss out on many fat paying opportunities if you avoid maths.

[whole flare]

math is everywhere

[vapid jay]

dm me if trynna learn how do python together

[azure heart]

being good at math would help them manage all the money they'll make from being a lawyer

[true hatch]

not a requiremnt though

[azure heart]

Either way, I completely agree that just because you aren't good at math now, doesn't mean there's no hope for you. I also hated math when I was younger

It's a lot easier to learn when you actually have a practical use to apply it to

Instead of just learning abstract formulas without a reason

[true hatch]

Once i studied it for 3 hours, did a test, completely forgot (beginner algebra)

[azure heart]

and because of that you're going to close a massive door on yourself?

[true hatch]

i did get 100. But then i forgot

[pastel thunder]

How old are you between, you sound like 13-14

[true hatch]

My math skill is a work in progress. I aim in learning python this summer vacation

[azure heart]

all skills are works in progress

that's how learning works

[true hatch]

correct

[azure heart]

Yet you seem to have the whole world figured out

[true hatch]

exactly

[azure heart]

It's never too late to learn new skills. I've only recently been learning vector math

Coding is largely problem solving, and sometimes that involves "How can I learn this math well enough for my current needs?"

[true hatch]

idk what to put as my pfp, pls help

[azure heart]

That's not really relevant to this channel

[pastel thunder]

What do you think is better:
Do maths and you can pursue say 100 professions.

Dont do maths and you can only choose among 40 professions, Not to mention most of these 40 professions would pay much less.

Fear of maths is temporary, regret of not doing maths would be forever.
If you learn math, you wont have a regret atleast.

@true hatch

[true hatch]

I want to be a corporate lawyer.

[smoky quest]

congrats!

[true hatch]

Math is ok in my opinion, maybe as I get older, my appreciation for math will go up

[lyric marsh]

I am going to join a university as a fresher in CSE core this year

So does anyone have an idea like what specalization will be blooming in the future

So that I can focus a bit more on it

Cuz there are many things like AI/DS , AI/ML ..... so on

Anyone who has a field experience can share your views 🙂

[fringe sphinx]

Breadth is more important than depth (specialization) when you're just starting. You should, imo, aim to learn a little of everything. Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QxI-RP6-HM

[lyric marsh]

hmm fine, i'll take that note...

[hushed falcon]

lego box in bg

[tacit bone]

Some smarty-pants was shunning people in the server for learning too many languages and not specializing in one field (also Mosh Hamedani the youtuber), it's funny how the creator of C++ himself advises otherwise.

[burnt cairn]

does college name prestige matter for recruitment in SWE?

[fringe sphinx]

Another way to say it is: the best professional specialists that I know know a lot more than their specialty. Academics tend to be a little different tho, Professors are often extremely deep in their research area and not as broad.

[hushed falcon]

probably for you first job if there isn't much else on your cv but after that it doesn't really matter as long as you have the certifications

[fringe sphinx]

It's a funny question, because so what? The only time it matters is when you're accepted to a top Uni but affordability is the concern. @burnt cairn

[dense plover]

I did it

Floating donut 3d made in python (I watched a few tutorial) 👍

[burnt cairn]

yes, i was just wondering if it would open up any doors or make my experience finding a job easier (going to a t10)

[fringe sphinx]

Sure, for lots of reasons it would be a plus. Not essential but a plus.

[steel skiff]

@steel burrow

i need help with somethin in python

[strange nova]

This is the wrong channel to get help, try #❓｜how-to-get-help or #python-discussion

[dapper bane]

why the fuck do I have to setup some aws serverless and some fucking CI\CD pipeline
I solvd 10 - 15 different errors to do it and some of them are not on stack overflow
I do frontend, backend, mobile, devops, aws, bot development and I get paid pennies
fuck this

indian corporate sector is a scam

[buoyant seal]

you could concentrae at a single specialization in depth and getting hired to better company
or at least not diving into more than two specializations

[dapper bane]

man my current company gives me any task

they want to setup some kubernetes stuff for aws me an intern

[buoyant seal]

https://www.srenity.online/

[buoyant seal]

jokes asside and on serious matter

1. if u have a choice u can prioritize doing tasks that are more important for your career growth
2. do self studies and pet projects in free time in job role/tech stack u wish to have your career going

well, i do both of those things. and so far looking forward one day leaving behind some less pleasant tech stack and having only stuff i desire to work with

[dapper bane]

I am done with self projects Imma do open source project

I setup jolplin

[shrewd gull]

Guys, I have a question. I completed masters and is looking for jobs. Obviously I want an ML job. But I got an offer for C# dev with maybe a possibility to embed an AI, and maybe work on other C++ stuff. Should I accept this job or keep looking for other? My fear is taking this job now might make it harder for me to land an ML job in the future. I am in Germany and it has been 2 months looking for job.

[buoyant seal]

Obviously I want an ML job.
is there specific reason u want ML jobs first?
hubt — 09/22/2022
i warn everyone that wants to be in AI/ML: you spend a huge amount of time on data validation, cleanup, and analysis. and generally a lot less time than you'd think on the actual AI/ML part. unless your company has very mature data management and data pipelines(very few companies do), expect to spend a lot more time on data engineering than AI/ML

[buoyant seal]

Out of curiosity, do they have C# dev as .Net? if .Net is it for Linux or for Windows?
What will be your development field: Desktop development or Backend development
Answers to those questions may be important for your AI/ML aim

[shrewd gull]

Thats what Ive been studying and doing projects on and I have interest in it.

[shrewd gull]

They are developing for windows. They said something about MAUI.

[buoyant seal]

okay, pure non web GUI development areas then. Desktop/Android/Macos/Ios optionally

going to be very far from AI/ML i think

[shrewd gull]

I don't know C# but they will let me learn. But they are also startup, so I can work on other things mentioned. Not much AI stuff going there.

[buoyant seal]

well.. C# is usable for linux backend (people develop from Rider, Vscode and MonoDevelop at linux with C#). Linux Backend field is very close to data engineering. Data engineering is very close to be majority of AI/ML guy duties. you see the potential road

[shrewd gull]

data engineering is more close to software engineering right? Rather than the job of working on building models, training and math stuff?

[buoyant seal]

well... with very high chance a person can be hired doing both those duties at the same time.
Since work on data engineering field can be more time consumping than on building models, training ML

Data scientists job role exists though if u want concentrate more on math and research stuff

[shrewd gull]

Well thats what I meant, the job titles are not strictly defined these days.

[buoyant seal]

it is hard to change track though. Like... if u got skills in specific development field... switching to other one... assumes plenty of work to do that

and while switching langauges and tech is more or less easy (Because big portion of your knowledge is reusable, the fluff of tech is resonasbly easy to get hang of)
but switching to different job roles and knowing its specific stuff is way harder

and than more far the job role from your current ones, then the change is more difficult, as it will be problematic to learn sufficient amount of its job role stuff in a free time to be... qualified enough to get hired in this field

[buoyant seal]

you can blur at some reasonable cost job titles for very closely located fields. (With risking to receive a person being equally shitty in all duties, especially if person grabs more than 2 job roles)
But for job roles in really the opposite directions... that is magnitude times more problematic

There is limit to human brain capacity, remembering, amount of time/work you can allocate to perfecting specific job role skills, and limit to human lifetime.

[white relic]

Did you apply to this job knowing it wasn't what you really wanted? Or maybe it only became clear during the interview process?
2 months isn't long to be searching for a job in the current market IMO. If you don't need it right now, it's OK to pass up an opportunity you don't want. But there's also no shame in taking what you can get for now and trying to get something better in a year or so when you are on your feet. It really depends on you and many many nuances of your particular situation.

With a MS I don't expect you have to take whatever comes along first unless your personal situation is desperate.

[still condor]

holy hell

[vapid jay]

why python changed to gaython ? 💀

[fringe sphinx]

Fwiw, that wasn't really my experience. I've changed domains several times over my career. There's always many transferable skills if you're an 'engineer' first. But, this is also why I emphasize breadth over depth.

[dull kindle]

Hello, I'm looking forward to join college in few months, But I'm confused abt which stream i should choose, Computer science or data science, I know abit of c++, and html. I've just started to learn python. But again not sure which to choose, If anybody could guide me, thank you! ( I've completed high school )

[fringe sphinx]

My first specialty was very hardware/systems management oriented, later SaaS/applications and currently data.

[crisp stream]

see #changelog message.
see also the PSF Diversity Statement.
also, not the proper channel for this question. use #community-meta for questions about the server.

[dull kindle]

People are saying it's better to choose cse with ds electives, rather than going for ds, but then they're also saying there's alot of scope in ds 😶.

[fringe sphinx]

It probably matters little nowadays, I doubt there's many course differences. Perhaps more math with DS?

Look at the curriculum for each and compare.

[vapid jay]

im gonna join cs core this september,was not sure about other streams thatswhy i opted core

[dull kindle]

alright, thanks

[dull kindle]

Oh, nice!!! atb

[balmy mural]

I did my degree in DS. It's just more statistics than traditional cs degree. I still ended up doing SWE and not DS for work though

This is of course very university and course dependent. A different uni might approach their DS degree differently

[vapid jay]

is it worth learning python at 13 to make good money in 1-2 years

[crisp stream]

14-15 years seems a bit early to want to make money using programming

your time is better spent learning and getting into a CS program at a university

[vapid jay]

usually not hiring that young
i would just do side gigs
if you really got it down, and can market, then sell what you got
make nice functional apps with ad spaces and sell those out
who knows, it might be a good way to earn a small income

is it bad to put all techs I saw along my studies?

Like, I saw java, but the syntax

[vapid jay]

Unless you have very little to put on your resume, I wouldn't recommend it - knowing the syntax barely counts

[vapid jay]

So I put only techs I have actually explored deeply?

[hearty island]

These guys were like hmmm it seems like you’re more IT compliance than finance and were heavily biased against my biz analytics degree
Then I had to convince them I actually knew finance
Like for fuck’s sake
They called me “extremely knowledgeable” by the end of the interview
Like what does that mean??
Like I don’t need you to patronize me
this might be my first interview where they think i'm over qualified
my dad explained it to me like this: "They could decline and pick someone else bc an overqualified candidate might want to leave"