career-advice

[blazing harbor]

I just like things you can think about it and solve in your head 🤔 and math kinda fits that

[vapid jay]

guys how do i know, if i've already learned enough to start working as a freelancer?

[smoky quest]

when someone accepts your bid and you deliver it

[vapid jay]

[keen aurora]

Why do companies bother hiring juniors? I feel like a senior does 3x the work of a junior, quality and amount wise. Why not just hire a senior instead of say 2-3 juniors?

[fringe sphinx]

Because there aren't many good seniors on the market.

[true harness]

some companies do that

[digital fjord]

You also can't quite hire a senior and have them instantly work at senior level, it may take months or years to get there depending on how unusual your company is.

[summer roost]

also, juniors bring in fresh ideas and new perspectives and different approaches and knowledge of newer technologies and techniques

also, juniors are a lot cheaper than seniors

[dense tendon]

Hello,
I just joined this server because I needed advice. I have a coding interview next week and was wondering if I'm on the right track. I work as a devops engineer so my programming knowledge is very limited and I'm not used to thinking in terms of a programmer either.

I applied for a technical writer / software development job and it seems that the recruiter liked my background enough to move me to the next round of interview.

I'm currently using this course (https://www.udemy.com/course/algorithms-and-data-structures-in-python/) to learn about data structures and algorithms because she said the interview is mainly on that, which I assume most coding interviews are on.

I'd appreciate any help or advice on the subject.

I just finished the linkedlist section and now am about to start learning about stacks

[vapid jay]

When will there be a meme channel?

[sour tartan]

put them in off-topic i guess.

[summer roost]

how is this related to #career-advice ?

[summer roost]

sounds like you're on the right track to me

[blazing harbor]

@fringe sphinx what do you think about Ted K

[fringe sphinx]

Who?

The unabomber?

[blazing harbor]

mhm there are still remnants of him at my uni

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, I have no real knowledge/opinion of it. Just the little I heard in media.

[blazing harbor]

yeah his plaque is still up lol

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, that's wild.

[proper saffron]

can you tell me more specifically what python is and what it's about, because I'm new here and I don't know much.

Im sorry if its not a place

To ask

[smoky quest]

It will be more productive to ask in #python-discussion and to also include what you think it is. With a less open ended question, you will get better answers

[proper saffron]

Im so sorry, i didint know, thanks for information

[deft wharf]

working on a resume what sorta stuff should i add to it?

[kindred oyster]

are you a student or working professional ?

[jaunty prawn]

Does anyone know if software engineers are paid well in Singapore compared to the cost of living? It doesn’t make sense to me, I go on a Singapore job site and there’s many salaries for $5,000 SGD, then I go on an apartment website and the rent is $4k - $5,000. Am I supposed to never turn on the lights in my room and only eat the free food at the office?

I'm asking because I live in Thailand currently and the pay here is trash.

[karmic helm]

People who are interested to join a small grp for Data Analyst projects dm asap...!! Learn together 🤞🏻✨

[proven crest]

Hi all, I’ve been working as a junior developer in the UK for a year and a bit. I’ll be moving to the US in April/May. I’ve not been seeing many Python jobs in the US, but surely there are and I’m just not seeing them. For my own sanity can anyone confirm they’re Python developers (not data engineers/ analysts) working in the US lol?

[smoky quest]

they do exist. There are dozens of them. Dozens

[worn solstice]

Am interested here

[weak kindle]

Can you be more specific about the technology on which you working as junior developer

[true harness]

work experience, education, products, volunteer experience, organizations you're part of

you can put pretty much anything as long as you spin it right

[valid forge]

Hey there , I have just finished learning python from a bootcamp , I want to learn Data Science but sideby i also want an internship , can you suggest me some of the projects I can build with the knowledge of raw python and in which niche right now i can apply for internships?

[hearty island]

"Thank you for your interest in joining the Spectrum team. After careful review of your application, we?ve decided that we will not move you forward in the hiring process. While your application shows your experience and a dedication to growing your career, there are other candidates whose qualifications more closely align with the requirements of this position. You can log into your candidate dashboard to confirm the status of your application for this job.

We realize this isn?t the outcome you were hoping for and encourage you to use Fit Finder to discover other roles that match your skills and interests. You can also sign up for job alerts to be notified when those opportunities become available.

Again, thank you for your interest in Spectrum. Whatever you choose to connect to next, we wish you all the best!

Thank you,
Spectrum Recruiting"

[hearty island]

what's up w the typos??

[near ocean]

The ?s
Template skill issue probably, escaping things hard i guess

[hearty island]

probably

[near ocean]

Why is the recruitment agency rejecting you? Shouldn't it be the actual company?

[hearty island]

i have no idea. i think it's a bit scammy

[true harness]

maybe it's the name of the section of the company that handles talent acquisition. isn't spectrum some telecom company

[hearty island]

correct, yeah

[worthy violet]

Could I have some advice on what to say here? I have an interview for a Data Analyst position at this company. I have found another two Python-related positions at the company i am WAY more interested in. How can I politely say "I'm more interested in these other positions and no longer wanting to interview for this Data Analyst position?"

[near ocean]

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[karmic helm]

What..??

[white relic]

It's probably better not to burn that bridge unless you need to. Interviewing isn't an obligation, and if you have an interview for position A but not position B, that's your best "in" at the company unless you get another interview.

[kindred oyster]

if it comes to that ,you can just reject the OL
or even worse , dont join on joining date

[near ocean]

Read the rules

[white relic]

well I don't know if I'd turn them down in the hope of getting a different job at the same company (there may likely be internal processes that would prevent that)

but at the interview stage it isn't uncommon to interview for multiple positions.

[kindred oyster]

During our placements , one of the interviewers even asked me, "what other companies are you appearing for in placements? " 😂

companies know that you are trying at different places most of the times

[worthy violet]

The thing is, I worked at this place 5 years ago. I wonder if i could just be honest with the recruiter and say "After some thought, I really am drawn to some other positions in the company and am not interested in this specifric position at the time." I still have a job so it's not like I'm losing anything

[fringe sphinx]

Agree with trentj. Take the interview. Be positive and interested: don’t downplay your interest, but it’s fair to say that you’re not sure what direction you want to take your career and that you’re looking to grow both your SWE and Data skills.

[kindred oyster]

sadly being honest in corporate is a lot of times bad (regarding this kind of stuff)

[white relic]

It isn't dishonest to go to an interview.

[worthy violet]

That makes sense. I guess it feels dishonest going in knowing I have very little interest now. The more I think about it the less I want to move into a DA/visualization role

[kindred oyster]

i was referring to this part from monkee

I wonder if i could just be honest with the recruiter and say

if they get even a slight hint that you are not going to be with them for long , they will reject you most of the times

[fringe sphinx]

Seems reasonable to tell recruiter that you’re also interested in those other roles. I just wouldn’t say anything negative about a role that you have an interview for

[worthy violet]

Ahh that makes sense! I'm going to go through with the interview then. Thank you so much for the advice here Bobby and everyone

[pine hamlet]

I worked for 1 year and then took a year off to work on my own SAAS B2C product which is now ready and will take some time to take traction , I'm looking for job now, will companies consider my product and will they hire me knowing I run my own product as well ?

[buoyant seal]

It depends on how u a going to voice those facts.
Just thinking aloud.

1. person worked only for year and left for building his own product

• enthusiastic to program, great
• what is the reason for leaving? May be he will not work long here too? Then it is bad

2. will be his activity on his own SAAS product, interfering with work hours and energy he has left to work sanely during a week? If no, okay, then it is normal for devs. If yes, that is more of a problem potentially

3. if it is full time job position, again will be his extra activity interfering with main job duties? If yes then it is bad, if no they it is great

U get the idea. As long as it is not impacting main job in negative ways, it can be okay and considered as just pet project

I am concerned if any pet project can be small and not impacting a main job if it took entire year of building though.

[pine hamlet]

I worked in organization for 1 year and before that was a freelancer and worked on own projects which were live on basis of which I got 1st job, Last interview everything went well ,Director liked me nailed the problem solving and coding round, They got proble with me running my own product as well, I tried my best to commit that it will not bother my work , they said they will consider but unfortunately rejected.

[pine hamlet]

my product name is orblio check it out

[buoyant seal]

The problem is, your own product is another job? If yes, it is concern

If just pet project activity without big attachments (can u abandon it and not doing anything for months there?), then it is your portfolio

It depends on how u present it

[pine hamlet]

They liked the product too , they dougted I build it by myself.

[buoyant seal]

Put your credentials to identify you as owner then 😅
On some about page

[pine hamlet]

I will work on weekend and on my own time after work hours that was my pitch

[buoyant seal]

... Again, can u say u can abandon it for months without harm?

[pine hamlet]

that will be dishonest, I prefer honest.

[buoyant seal]

This is normal for devs to work on their skills during weekends... But it is a question of your sanity.
Can u abandon if necessary side project and put weekends towards rest?

If u cant then it is concern it will impact main job

[buoyant seal]

Okay, u cant.
Then it is concern because it sounds like a second job that will impact main job too much

[pine hamlet]

I've been working weekends in my previous organization they were cool with it as long as I got there tasks done.

They even offered me raise when I planned to quit , will it be awkard if I ask them can I join back ?

[white relic]

if you turned down a raise and quit anyway, they probably won't want you back.

Because why wouldn't you just do the same thing after another year?

[pine hamlet]

because I seen AI taking pace and got fomo

https://orblio.com/
here is what I created, still lot of work to be done which I'm planning to do on weekends and after work hours

but companies are not allowing.

[fringe sphinx]

Does it matter if it's awkward? What does it cost you? Just ask. It's definitely a No if you don't ask.

Or, as Michael Scott said: You miss 100% of the shots you don't take - Wayne Gretzky.

[buoyant seal]

Terrific.

[summer roost]

Will it be awkward? Probably. Is it worth asking anyway? Yes.

[pine hamlet]

thanks

[pine hamlet]

after all the farewell and good byes

[summer roost]

I've rejoined a company after quitting. It was only slightly awkward, and only at first. 🙂

[hearty island]

i did too. and then i left again for another one. 😭

“Pfizer would like you to participate in a digital interview, powered by HireVue.

POSITION : Analyst
ESTIMATED DURATION : 20 minutes

Don’t wait. Take your interview as soon as you can to give yourself the best chance for success.”

https://tenor.com/view/oh-my-god-its-happening-ok-stay-calm-the-office-gif-6091046

[pine hamlet]

I guess I will ask then , let's swallow the pride, anyway anyone here has reference for remote job opportunity let me know.

[true harness]

isn't this just one of those automated interview platforms

[hearty island]

yeah but it’s an interview and i haven’t had an interview like all of february so far

[tough bolt]

hello! i am a 16 year old living in the uk. i want to have some work experience in research before i enter university. i am highly interested in reinforcement learning. i have successfully replicated a fairly well-known research paper and currently refining the code (i have a functional MVP but currently writing code to hopefully speed up the learning). however i consider my ml background to be "shaky" as i still lack some math understanding in some fundamental aspects of ml. i currently use pytorch, which abstracts some math away. would this be ok with my volunteering work experience, like i can just work behind a library?

i would want to have some work experience with some tech companies (i can volunteer). does anyone know any good companies/programmes that i can join to get some real-world experience? i know that at least for some us-based highschoolers there are some programmes for them and internships are usually for undergraduates. can someone please recommend some international/uk based programmes/opportunities for me? tysm :D

[karmic helm]

Guy's can someone give me a good recommended channel to learn DSA logic building..??

[gritty rivet]

i know that at least for some us-based highschoolers there are some programmes for them

This is pretty rare. If there's any such thing in the UK I would expect you to have to search hard and reach out to a lot of people directly. Maybe someone in this channel does know of some lead but I think it's unlikely

[tough bolt]

idk i just saw some instagram reels on some "reading us college application" reels and i just FOMOed and thought that i was done for due to like fierce competition

so i thought automatically that there are programmes for the US. but like you said, there might be people in this server who are able to provide such connections

like idk if there are any connections/people online that can directly refer me into programmes that cannot be otherwise easily joined by "normal means"

[verbal elk]

I have questions
I am a computer programming college student in Canada
is ther a job or valunteer to have work experience?
when doing project for portfolio. Is it best to do your own or looking for group project?

[pine sleet]

with group projects it's harder to say who took responsibility. it could just be someone else is doing all the work. but also group projects can be great if you contribute a lot to them

you should also look for internships

[verbal elk]

is 1st and 2nd good to be looking for internship or its too early?

[white relic]

It's never too early to look. Second year is prime time but if you can find an internship as a freshman it will be worth it. Just don't hang your hopes on it because internships that accept first year students are less common.

[true harness]

you should start looking right now. some companies won't hire first year students, but if you impress them and stay in touch then they will be valuable connections next year

[verbal elk]

thank you for all the advise, I'll looking for it while doing my project

[dusty moon]

I recently came across this on a Reddit board: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IHLIDXUSTPSOFTDEVE Is there a possibility that this may change for the better during this year?

[mortal ember]

#discord-bots

[turbid bobcat]

Idk, but I've been job searching and there's soooo many jobs in the US. Like a lot a lot. I can easily submit 1000 applications per week and not run out

Whereas in Switzerland for ex, I have to be careful not to depleate the available opportunitiea

[dusty moon]

I'm confident that there are plenty of intermediate and senior level positions available in the job market, but what about opportunities for entry-level and intern?

Honestly just deciding between an MS in CS or just do MS in engineering.

[fringe sphinx]

Last year was terrible, due to recession fears. High interest rates will continue to slow growth/investment, but things seem to be looking much better than last year. I assume it’ll take another year to fully return back to ‘normal’

[fringe sphinx]

You also see the same effect in other indeed indices: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IHLIDXUSTPBAFI

[kindred prairie]

you can put in applications like that, but how many jobs are you getting call backs on?... surely still plenty?

[fringe sphinx]

Construction is where it’s at: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/IHLIDXUSTPCONS

[turbid bobcat]

Ah I'm not doing it, it was just an hypothetical illustrating my observation

I think I've submitted like 10 or 15 resumes so far, if it were for other places my pace would be higher

[kindred prairie]

ah fair. I'm sure coding jobs don't pay what the did before and during what I assume was a boom. but I'm just hoping for more than 50k/yr... so I shouldn't have too much of a problem once I learn some languages

[turbid bobcat]

Salary stuff highly depends on location. With that salary where I'm from you're very much above the avg, like late IRS bracket stuff, but in San Francisco for ex you'll struggle

[fringe sphinx]

Self taught/no degree?

[zealous ore]

gyatt

[kindred prairie]

ye

[kindred prairie]

I live in a low income area. the 55k/yr I make now is actually considered very good for someone living alone and single

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, so learning ‘languages’ is not really the path. For a few reasons.

Learn a language and get good. Competent. With a wide enough foundation (systems knowledge), and projects / practice.

And find an entry point: it might not be SWE first job, but anything in tech (including QA and support) to get some XP on the resume

[kindred prairie]

I was just gonna learn python then look for ways to get experience with it. just need a foundation to start on for now

[fringe sphinx]

I heard ‘languages’ and wanted to correct it: because some people believe the ‘way’ is learning lots of languages

[kindred prairie]

like I don't expect to just learn the language then get a decent job with it... but I can't get the experience needed for the job without learning the language

ah, no not my goal :p I figured I'd start with python for now. I have a reliable decent paying career so I'm in no rush

just want out of customer service tbh lol

[fringe sphinx]

That’s great. Sounds like you’ve got a good mindset

[kindred prairie]

any suggestions on where to start? I'm currently using khan academy cuz it's free since I don't have any spare money atm

[fringe sphinx]

Have you seen:

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[kindred prairie]

it's teaching me, but it's not quite the way I like to learn... they give code and say "figure it out, loser" lol so that's what I've been doing

[fringe sphinx]

Plenty of free options there

[kindred prairie]

ah ty I'll check it out

[white relic]

What it looks like this is showing is that there was a huge spike in postings during 2021-22, and we're now back at pre-spike (early pandemic) levels. But when you compare to the general (whole US) trend, there was a huge spike all right, but now software dev has gone below the nationwide trend and is leveling out / maybe starting to recover a little bit, relatively speaking. https://fredblog.stlouisfed.org/2023/03/was-there-a-tech-hiring-bubble/ actually plots both on the same graph.
Worth noting that "Indeed job postings" -> "open jobs" -> "ease of getting a job" is a complicated and not entirely monotonic correlation chain.

[fringe sphinx]

The other tip is: ask questions in #python-discussion . If something doesnt make sense, ask.

[kindred prairie]

yee a couple of people already helped me with my first snag. I got stuck on it sunday and figured "I'll think about it at work and figure it out." 2 days went by and I still didn't figure it out XD

I just googled python discord on a whim and found this. it's already been super helpful 😄

[coral vine]

wow just noticed the dual degree at UTSA for artificial intelligence + doctor of medicine (MD). what do you all think of that?

[fringe sphinx]

I guess robots need doctors too.

[ivory sluice]

i have a medical doctor friend that sees a huge opportunity for ML/AI in medicine. one example of many could be in a hospital setting where someone has to visually monitor images of several different patients for different warning signs and then flag them to the MDs for review

one would hope such tools would help perpetually understaffed hospital teams but of course administration might further reduce staffing to compensate. i think we'll solve some problems with ML/AI and inadvertently create new ones along the way

[rigid mantle]

Ml or desktop development for a python learner

[abstract rover]

@rigid mantle in my option, ml has larger prospect

[sullen gale]

Hi all! I want to learn ray for my productivity

Does anyone worked in this field? Distributed computing for python using ray, if yes I need guidance

[hasty cobalt]

how to create the python input?

[gentle raptor]

input()?

[hasty cobalt]

yeah

[gentle raptor]

a = int(input())

if u need integer

and just: a = input()
if u need string

[hasty cobalt]

the input file not the command

[gentle raptor]

??!!!/

a = input()
print(a)

[hasty cobalt]

noo

wait i will show u

[lean basin]

@hasty cobalt try #1035199133436354600

[bright finch]

hi, i need a short and professional email but i don't know how to get/make one? most people i see have their own domain names or a mail associated with the organization they work for, i co-authored a commit the other day and my mail is an icloud one that i keep changing everytime i get a new device (so no consistent mail address) so i decided to put in the noreply mail address github generates and idk how professional that is... anyone who can guide me to the correct places?

[hasty cobalt]

i mean how to read, write the input like this

[gentle raptor]

eval()

[hasty cobalt]

eval??

[white relic]

Please take this off topic discussion to another channel

[white relic]

I have my own domain for <$20/year with namecheap and email provided through another service (tutamail, personally like their approach to encryption, but the ui is clunky compared to gmail). I had to update DNS records with namecheap so that email would go to the right place but it is pretty easy.

[white relic]

fake reply

Getting your own domain and email isn't expensive, but it does cost money. If you need a free option, many/most email providers have a free tier. and you can usually forward it to wherever

[true harness]

there's nothing wrong with just using Gmail or whatever. as long as your email address isn't inappropriate.

[vapid jay]

im 2 years away from college and i was thinking about studying computer science and then getting a masters in cyber security so ive started studying python now and plan to keep learning. But ive just seen all of the layoffs is it worth it to even persue anymore?

[fringe sphinx]

Every 10 years or so, there’s a tech ‘downturn’. It’s happened fairly regularly at this point. Last year, the layoffs were triggered by a combination of recession fears and massive overhiring during Covid. This year, things seem more stable, and will likely recover next year. People are still getting hired, there are jobs out there, unemployment is low, but it takes time to land that first job.

[vapid jay]

i see

[fringe sphinx]

In this channel, it’s rare to hear a CS graduate who can’t find a job. The people who struggle are usually college students looking for internships, self-taught (no degree), or career changers

[vapid jay]

would you recommend me to try get into cyber or should i try get into AI since i have a bit of time and can study before college

[fringe sphinx]

Breadth is more important than depth, imo. AI/ML is ‘hot’ so lots of people are rushing to specialize. I would suggest aiming to know a little about a lot of things first: at your stage, just focus on getting good at coding: this takes a long time by itself. And, learn a bit about related topics (Linux, cloud, web dev, a little AI, etc), and engineering topics (testing, software engineering, architecture, etc)

Im short: Get good at coding. Through small projects.

[vapid jay]

what languages would you recommend me to start off with, ive started harvards cs50x a few weeks ago

[fringe sphinx]

Python. https://www.fosslife.org/2023s-top-programming-languages-ieee-spectrum and https://m-cacm.acm.org/blogs/blog-cacm/176450-python-is-now-the-most-popular-introductory-teaching-language-at-top-us-universities/fulltext

[fringe sphinx]

Cs50x is a good intro course, but it’s not really a programming course. CS50p is Python specific. There’s also CS50 for AI (for later)

There are a lot of other resources, if you prefer ebooks. I’m going to drop two links that you should bookmark:

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[fringe sphinx]

!kin

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[gritty rivet]

You're on a Python server, what did you think we'd say 😉

A lot depends on what you want to do. If your main goal is web development you might want to dive right in to HTML/CSS/JS

[daring girder]

what are possible python applications for beginners

[frozen nexus]

Use #python-discussion next time

[daring girder]

fr sowwy

[frozen nexus]

!kindling

[inner wren]

Kindling Projects

The Kindling projects page on Ned Batchelder's website contains a list of projects and ideas programmers can tackle to build their skills and knowledge.

[frozen nexus]

I didn't except that cooldown lol sorry

[daring girder]

thank u

[bright finch]

would you say my apple icloud mail with an appropriate name would work? because i'm kinda skeptic about putting it out in public git repositories, given im using that mail for personal things and it's associated with my apple/icloud account where my private images, text messages, notes, etc.. are stored

[true harness]

you could make another one for job applications if you want

[white relic]

icloud mail lets you create email aliases, right?

basically just another address to the same mailbox

(depending on why / how much you want to keep them separate)

[bright finch]

im not sure, ill look it up

[hearty island]

i have the same gmail i used since high school

[magic plaza]

Which is the best way to learn python

[hearty island]

!resources this should help.

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[hearty island]

also !projects. projects based learning is always good.

[crude folio]

i finally got my performance review back w/ a "meeting expectations consistently", phew!

[true harness]

gotta exceed them 📈

[crude folio]

i'm happy being good enough 🤷

[blazing harbor]

What if you play the corporate game

So you start with 60% effort and then you go to 120% effort in a couple months and explain that ur manager and ur team really helped you

[hearty island]

genius

[white relic]

Just as likely: you start at 60% effort and in a couple months increase it to 120%. Nobody notices your efforts. You're starting to burn out trying so hard to be recognized and you slide back down to 75% as your crushing disappointment wars with your need to prove yourself. Later, someone recognizes you for your "good work" that you were doing during the first month when you were supposedly at 60%

[summer roost]

Also possible: you start at 60% effort. The teammates who could have helped you improve instead spend their resources teaching things to other new hires who seem more competent. After a few couple of months you ramp up to 120% effort, but struggle to catch up to the other new hires who've had months more mentorship.

[fringe sphinx]

Effort is such a weird measurement of value. I just want competent and steady engineers who write good, quality code with thoughtful test cases.

[buoyant seal]

The world of management wishes everything to quantify. Let's measure productivity by lines of code /j

[fringe sphinx]

I’ve never been in an org where we did that. Perhaps I’ve been lucky.

[buoyant seal]

I realized recently that I am scared to leave current company just because dev workflow processes can be at far lower level at others companies

1. in our company architecture a bit sucks (DRF), but we have ultra high unit testing coverage . And technically some architecture is present
2. we have automated CI CD. CI pipelines in GitHub actions (some people don't have even that)
3. separated staging and production
4. monitoring by sentry, građana stuff and Datadog
5. immutable autoscaling containerized infrastructure in AWS ECS
   I have proper access to all systems for high productivity.
6. obviously git usage (some people don't have even that)
7. infrastructure as a code

I am scared to work in far less comfortable development environment. I don't want my career time spent for chasing stuff araised from doing things too bad

[still bramble]

Hello would anyone be willing to explain what a IT Business Analyst does etc... let me know if this the wrong chat.

[hearty island]

highly dependent on the job imo

[fringe sphinx]

On the other hand, imagine what someone like you could do for a company with a lesser engineering process… you could fix so much, especially as a senior or lead

[buoyant seal]

Sure, but many people don't want to change.
I would need during interview to figure out if I will have free will enough to set things properly
Or we will be hopeless to fix it (at certain point with big enough tech debt, things aren't really fixable within any reasonable time)

[turbid bobcat]

That's stuff you can always ask during an interview

[buoyant seal]

Comfortable workflow: things are versioned and present ability to rollback deployment.
Problems in production? Just revert deployment and solve with calm in staging

Many people once again do not have stuff like that and go through overwork for fixing things in real time :/

[buoyant seal]

Well, here we are entering water of having ability to discover and evaluate enough things in interview.
We could request extra meeting in case being approved for hiring, but before we agree though

And we need also to get honest answers

[fringe sphinx]

The trick is to just land the vp of engineering job and fix it yourself

[buoyant seal]

Probably the most horror for me would be that some people manage to work without unit testing

[turbid bobcat]

True. What I'm saying is that the whole point of the interview is that you evaluate each other. If they lie that's not cool.

[turbid bobcat]

I did this for year, and it's as horrible as it sounds.

Honestly I don't think you truly know how valuable best practices are until you are forced not to do them

[buoyant seal]

Ergh. Needing sufficient privileges, reputation.
Well, that certainly makes sense to go for preferably senior positions with such sufficient power as high preference.

[vapid jay]

I am in 11th grade rn
I chose PCMC (Physics, Chemistry, Mathematics and Computer Science)

I wanna be a software engineer so can someone guide me on that related topic

[turbid bobcat]

Go to college, computer science

[fringe sphinx]

For someone like you who is passionate (and well read) about engineering processes, I do imagine you’ll go far down the management track. Not just saying it: not everybody ‘cares’ about this stuff, as you know.

[buoyant seal]

😅 i do hope to escape management track for now. Very hesitant about this track because of its harm to technical skills potentially. And falling out of market value and expertise pretty much.
I got impression that it is possible to be among main decision makers for a lot of important stuff if i am just DevOps engineer. / well and i can configure a lot of important stuff on my own accordingly.

Also, i am a bit skeptical regarding my soft skills for management usage. 🤔 Heck... i lived for last two years in a full working from home way and haven't felt really needing to speak to people. Text/slack communications were more than enough for me to communicate efficiently.

Meh. i'll leave this management for later 🙈 if i will be ever wishing to have it.
There is too Much of DevOps engineering and Backend Development and generic software development
my plans for self studies stretch for year/years ahead as it is.

====
Well it could be may be nice to be within management, but only as long as it will be very limited management for very small team
And more than 70%+ of time will remain being development...

...but there is a heavy problem with this thinking.
DevOps engineering path is already making me torn apart between dedicating time for backend development / infrastructure stuff. Solving a variery of stuff between development and operational stuff.
problem of compatibility of those paths i guess. I don't want to be torn apart too much 🤔. there is only so much free work time person can be having
At the same time i am not ready for now to reject any other path i already i follow.

[zealous topaz]

is there reason why recruiters contact junior data engineer with less than 1 year experience to talk about senior position? I do have background in IT as video game developer for about 3 years, but current workplace dgas about that experience.. (and is one of fortune 500 companies)

[vapid jay]

hello

help me

[white relic]

This channel is for career discussion. See #❓｜how-to-get-help

[vapid jay]

oh sorr

just tell me why pls

[coral vine]

i got mri scans of my wrist done at an imaging center recently. their center connects with a site called pocket.health and im able to view the set of 200 mri scans for my wrist on there. i noticed a side bar that listed questions that will be good to ask the doctor when i come in for a visit to have my mri scans reviewed. i thought that was pretty cool. not sure if they use ai to generate those questions.

like maybe the ai notices a fracture at a bone or something different in the nerves

here is what it kind of looks like

and i think its great because often times doctors can be very busy and they can look at the mri scans on their own and just come back and say "you are ok". it just feels better to know more. however, as a patient, often times you just might not know at all what to ask during visits

even in terms of dentistry, lots of patients arent educated enough to know things like how fast teeth can shift (lots of people mess up after braces), that its important to not brush gums too hard because you can brush them away for good, that those yellow coffee stains are actually teeth bone showing from grinding too much, or that when gums bleed that means you should floss more, not less.

Doctors are often frustrated from lack of time and patients are often frustrated from lack of education and long term repercussion. with ai, it does help make patients feel better and helps doctor save more time when patients can better communicate whats going on

sometimes my dentist will be like.."which tooth is the one causing issue?" and its like i dont know the names to be able to say. and i guess their frustration can build over time when plenty of patients can be like that.

i agree theres plenty of good and bad that come with ai. but as a medical patient, it does feel like a bit of a relief

[fringe sphinx]

Uh, this is #career-advice

[coral vine]

yes, i was talking about the dual degree for MD + AI at UTSA

or if its off topic, then i can delete the post, sorry. thought it was

[viral surge]

a

[cloud rampart]

Hi, I need help with a hw assignment!! Would any software engineers be open to having a quick meeting (anytime after Sunday! ) to discuss your experience in the tech? I only need 5 people but anything would help!

[buoyant seal]

You are asking for a heavy time commitment. Time is very precise resource that software engineers often not having enough and having heavily managed and prioritized both at work and in personal life.

Ask your questions in text. That is magnitudes times more time friendly approach.

[cloud rampart]

Oki!!
Help needed:
Quick discord/phone/zoom meeting (15 mins)
5-6 questions about your personal experience in tech

[near ocean]

Ask your questions here and people will answer if they want to

[spice charm]

Hi, LittleCornball.

I am interested in your project and I am a software engineer with rich experience of 3 years.

If you want my help, please DM me.

[grave pelican]

yo, whats your tips on what to do for beginners in python? look full courses on youtube? do projects and research for solutions?

[smoky quest]

?tag start

[severe widget]

This is not a Modmail thread.

[smoky quest]

ah wrong server.

Anyway, pick a book like "automate the boring stuff", go through it, do the exercises and do some projects.

In terms of career, a CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[grave pelican]

Oh okay, so you think I should just go for CS? Tbh I just want to focus on some language and eventually get the best certificate after years

[smoky quest]

certificates don't hold any value when it comes to CS

[sick plaza]

I'm in deep trouble but I have a big interview coming up wish me luck pls

[fringe sphinx]

You got this. Don't try to be the smartest in the room: it's OK not to know everything 🙂

[smoky quest]

Hi!
We don't do hiring or advertisements here

[stuck knoll]

Oh no worries just asking a question, it's not an ad obvious by lack of the words "paid advertisement" or similar.

[smoky quest]

What is the question besides you looking for a job?

[stuck knoll]

It's the first sentence of the first sentence. I am looking for a job, is your team recruiting? Feel free to message me if so. I am not promoting advertising.

[smoky quest]

you are promoting your services for a job. No need to try to be a rule lawyers. We don't do recruiting, regardless of the direction

[smoky quest]

<@&831776746206265384> recruitment

[wind cedar]

if my school doesnt have concentration for CS majors, can i still include it on my resume if i took courses that closely aligned with a specific concentration a CS major would take?

[blazing harbor]

@fringe sphinx I mean also helps you in your next job if they ask you the question

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, but it's not in a companies self-interest to be honest.

Take this woman: the company decided to lay her off. For whatever reason. The company doesn't owe an explanation; and an explanation just increases risk/liability anyway.

Most US workers are "at-will", meaning: you can fire them at any time, without cause.

So, if I'm laying someone off without cause, then there's no explanation needed.

[blazing harbor]

I mean they gave a reason though, which was upsetting

[fringe sphinx]

Just like you can quit without a reason.

[near ocean]

The two sides arent exactly equivalent in power

[fringe sphinx]

Don't really see how power comes into it... they've decided to lay you off, they owe no explanation. In this case (the cloudflare one that nosqldb raised in pydis): they did their annual review and decided to layoff 40 of 1500 sales people (or something like that).

Basically, they told her: You didn't make the cut. Bye.

Not nice, or kind, but: why should they need to say more?

[smoky quest]

Keep things simple and do not invent things. If you don't have a concentration, do not make up one

[blazing harbor]

damn it just seems brutal and like rough I guess

[wind cedar]

ok bro

[smoky quest]

There is nothing that would comfort her. She lost her job.

[blazing harbor]

major: Computer Science GPA (if above 3.5 iirc) and relevant course work:

[fringe sphinx]

I've been on the giving end of that. It's tough (not saying it's equivalent to receiving, but still, it's tough)

I had nightmares after the first time, and I wasn't even the one who had to break the news.

[blazing harbor]

did you give them a care package?

[fringe sphinx]

(poor guy was on a H1-B)

[wind cedar]

??

[near ocean]

They didn't say that tho, did they?
Her manager wasnt there, she says her manager never gave her bad feedback

[blazing harbor]

that's what should be on your resume

[blazing harbor]

yeah I feel like the manager should have been there

[whole flare]

maybe the manager also got laid off 🗿

[fringe sphinx]

I don't want to pass judgement there... as a junior sales person, she might not've had a real manager (a lot of sales people are in weird matrix organizations/etc)

[true harness]

if your major is not actually CS, I would be hesitant to write that as your major

[fringe sphinx]

But: Not getting bad feedback != being better than your peers. She wasn't fired for cause.

[near ocean]

Maybe so but that doesnt mean she was given notice to pick up slack

[blazing harbor]

the whole declaring a major thing is super weird esp at umich

[whole flare]

yeah

[wind cedar]

how is this answering the question i asked though?

[fringe sphinx]

Sales is a very tough career choice, I'm not surprised by this at all.

[near ocean]

I feel like if youre bottom 5% of your peers then you should be given feedback, someone fucked up and of course the company is trying to get away with it

[blazing harbor]

well the bar of entry is lower and it pays well

[fringe sphinx]

Two things: many companies hire large groups, and filter them within the first year. That's not uncommon in sales. I don't know if it's the case here: they might've hired with intent to "thin" out the lower performers.

[near ocean]

Fired for performance isnt surprising
How a huge company handled it is what its surprising

[fringe sphinx]

Second: If it were your money... you were CEO writing checks out of your pocket: would you be so generous?

[near ocean]

Thats not something you say to win people over

[blazing harbor]

it depends 🤔 If people were scared of being laid off, probably not 🤔

I don't want people working half assed worried about getting a meeting that would kick them out the door

[near ocean]

Who the fuck cares what the ceo makes, they dont have to worry about making rent
Is there any big tech ceo worried about their paycheck besides how many more zeros their bonus would have?

Fact is cloudflare fucked up

[fringe sphinx]

THat's a different topic. I'm just saying: You're CEO of a small 10 person company. Your choice is: Pay someone or keep the money.

And you realize right away that someone is a bad hire... within a few weeks or months.

[near ocean]

This isnt a small company, its cloudflare
If she was bad then yea fire her, BUT TELL HER FIRST

[fringe sphinx]

The lawyers will tell you: Don't say shit, because that's inviting lawsuit. Better to say: "Sorry, this isn't working out, here's your 4 weeks (or whatever) severance, bye."

[near ocean]

CF ceo makes 600k USD a year btw

[fringe sphinx]

Like breaking up with a significant other: will an explanation make it better?

[blazing harbor]

yeah probably

[fringe sphinx]

That aint that much for a public company CEO, I'd bet.

[blazing harbor]

I enjoy explanations so I know who is at fault 🤔

[near ocean]

If your spouse just out of the blue breaks up with you wouldn't you have liked some feedback before it got to that point?

[fringe sphinx]

Won't make it easier

[true harness]

it's at-will though, you're just dating

[near ocean]

It could potentially not have gotten to the breakup

[fringe sphinx]

I feel like we might be losing the plot here.

[near ocean]

Would she still have been fired if her performance improved?

[fringe sphinx]

Someone else would've been, I bet

[white relic]

She was working there four months. Obviously none of us have the full context. But to put someone on a PIP after only four months is almost certainly a waste of resources and if you know that already from four months in, giving them a chance is small favor to anyone.

[blazing harbor]

hmm good point; I don't think a couple months is enough time (esp around holiday season) to show growth

[near ocean]

If these other people had actual feedback and still couldnt cut it then so be it

[fringe sphinx]

I'm with you on this. Sometimes you need to let people go quickly and re-hire their position. Give someone else a shot. It sucks for the person leaving, but it's balanced by the good of hiring someone else.

[near ocean]

I dont think its fair to fire a newbie salesperson when they've had no help, given no leads, no feedback
She was probably cold calling people trying to meet sales quotas, thats not how sales works

[blazing harbor]

also manager gave no appropiate feedback

[near ocean]

Its very weird hearing people defend CF here

[fringe sphinx]

I'm only defending it because I've been in their exact shoes. Too many times.

[near ocean]

We understand the reality of what happened and the law surrounding it, it doesnt mean its right

[blazing harbor]

I think that's very surprising; she had no appropiate warnings

[fringe sphinx]

There's a long debate over optimal hiring strategies: hire slow, fire slow / hire slow, fire fast / hire fast, fire slow / hire fast, fire fast

[near ocean]

Cant get decent feedback from your manager but you sure can get the ceo singing on twitter
Weird timeline we're in

[blazing harbor]

oh the ceo comments on twitter were quite distasteful too

[near ocean]

You know you fucked up when mega-suit has to appear on twitter to salvage the situation

[fringe sphinx]

tbh, I don't understand why they even said anything about performance in that firing meeting tho.

[blazing harbor]

CHRIS PAUL

[fringe sphinx]

Better to just be silent

[near ocean]

It'd be better for the company legally but their optics would be ruined even more

[blazing harbor]

yeah tbh would have been better to just tell them they're being laid off or undisclosed reasons

[fringe sphinx]

Nah, if they just said: "Unfortunately, we have to let you go effective today. You'll get a 4 week package, etc. Do you have any questions?"

[near ocean]

People would see it as "getting fired for no reason at all"

Crowd would get even more riled up imo

[blazing harbor]

well peeps can speculate and it seems less bullshity

[white relic]

It seems probable that she was set up to fail, yes.

[blazing harbor]

also weird to think about her career is ruined now; I doubt anyone would employ her

[fringe sphinx]

See, I agree with the CEO's first few sentences. "We can often tell within 3 months or less of a sales hire... whether they're going to be successful". This is the "hire fast/fire fast" mentality, and while it seems cutthroat, consider the alternative: they got a shot.

[fringe sphinx]

That is her own doing, tho.

[near ocean]

Sometimes you just have to take one for the team
Other sales depts might give her a shot with internet fame now, or infamy anyway

[fringe sphinx]

I wouldn't touch someone who recorded an HR call. No way.

[near ocean]

You got something to hide?

[fringe sphinx]

[blazing harbor]

I mean to be fair; when she was taking the call, she was no longer at CF

[near ocean]

😩

[fringe sphinx]

That's not true

The call was to fire her, so she was certainly an employee at the time of the call.

[blazing harbor]

hmm 🤔 wasn't she fired within the first few mins of the call tho

[white relic]

Even if it were true, that's a huge potential PR liability. As Cloudflare is experiencing now.

[drowsy tangle]

what's the temperorary pastebin for python programs

[blazing harbor]

yeah but if she was no longer at CF, is that her liability?

[fringe sphinx]

I can't imagine the PR kerfluffle lasts more than a few days. It's certainly nowhere as bad as that Zoom firing from last year

[sick plaza]

what's wrong with taping HR calls

[white relic]

It's not about whether it's legal or not. Isn't that what the people attacking CF are saying? She (perhaps) had a right to record the meeting and release it in the internet. But it was a bad move.

[sick plaza]

it's not like they aren't taping you

I've never worked anywhere where everything I said wasn't recorded by them

[fringe sphinx]

Besides federal wiretap laws (IANAL), and confidentiality agreements, etc, definitely don't publish them.

[white relic]

They had a right to let her go the way they did. But it was still kind of dickish.

[fringe sphinx]

As part of your employment agreement, surely.

[blazing harbor]

but like what if you are really pissed off

[sick plaza]

NY is a one party state

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I'm just saying: most firing is dickish. It's a really hard line to balance.

[sick plaza]

I agree don't publish HR calls

but sometimes you need to record to defend yourself in bad situations I've heard of a few cases like that

[white relic]

If you're the kind of person who records HR calls and publishes them on the internet, you can't really be surprised if companies shy away from hiring you in the future

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, but those cases involve lawyers. Don't internet cowboy and publish work videos without one.

[sick plaza]

true

[blazing harbor]

but like don't you think people deserve second chances like what is she going to do

[near ocean]

She should have taken her video to a lawyer first

[fringe sphinx]

Get another job

[blazing harbor]

I mean who is going to employ her in sales with that video

[fringe sphinx]

She should've thought about that before publishing the video.

!mute 1205623212348801034 Take a break, read our #code-of-conduct and #rules and don't be a jerk about it.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied timeout to @stuck knoll until <t:1708043405:f> (1 hour).

[true harness]

the repercussions of her publishing video have nothing to do with cloudflare though

[sick plaza]

what happens in video

[blazing harbor]

I mean she was just trying to hold CF responsible, and idk it just seems messed up that her career is done bc of one mistake of judgement whcih didn't involve anything extreme like racism/etc

[fringe sphinx]

" she was just trying to hold CF responsible": Responsible for what?

[white relic]

anybody remember that guy who got hired at... I think it was spacex... Published some pretty boring photos of their onboarding material on reddit and got fired

[blazing harbor]

I mean that's just stupid tho to be fair

[fringe sphinx]

I think it's pretty obvious that publishing an internal video with your HR department firing you is going to impact your hirability by other companies.

Nobody else would've even known you were fired.

[true harness]

i've heard stories from consulting people that worked in SCIFs about new hires posting really dumb things online. quite amusing the lack of judgement some people have

[white relic]

Ew. Can't imagine doing that in a SCIF

[blazing harbor]

@fringe sphinx https://people.com/human-interest/woman-loses-nasa-internship-over-tweet/#:~:text=A woman may have lost,announced her new job offer. lol also read this 😭 this was so funny

[fringe sphinx]

Did she unknowningly use profanity? Or unknowingly to a NASA engineer?

[fringe sphinx]

Oh.

[white relic]

Oh yeah that was hilarious

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I don't blame them.

[white relic]

Honestly though not knowing who Homer Hickam is at NASA seriously

[blazing harbor]

I mean to be fair kinda a troll to respond to it with "Language." it's just the f word lol

[fringe sphinx]

It's pretty simple: Don't talk about your work on social media. OR, if you do, do it professionally.

[sour tartan]

tbh, i think Homer could have done a better job there, including possibly just not commenting. It's a young excited person.

[dapper depot]

I think her conduct there is more appropriate than trying to control someone else's language on social media

[fringe sphinx]

I'll accept those views too... but there's a long history of people getting hit with this stuff. ie: It's not unprecedented (but perhaps unreasonable to expect people to expect it)

[sick plaza]

The truth is that a lot of people have what I'd consider extremely prudish morality on seemingly random things and that's why companies are all this way. It seems crazy to me too but I'm sure if you looked at polls they are usually just going with the flow.

[blazing harbor]

yeah I agree

[sick plaza]

like bad language being a firing offense

[blazing harbor]

I mean who cares if you aren't doing it in the work setting

[sick plaza]

i heard the f word so many times where I worked first out of school

[blazing harbor]

yeah true true billy would you care btw

[sour tartan]

also, the first f-word there wasn't aimed at anyone in particular, it was almost an idiom.

[fringe sphinx]

I dunno, I'm a few generations removed from this batch of interns, so shrug

[blazing harbor]

they were just expressing their excitement in a vulgar but I feel like okay way

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, most of the "fired for a tweet" stuff I can think of were for racist or reallly objectionable stuff.

[sick plaza]

I mean the easy solution is just not to be on twitter

I can count on one hand the number of times I regret not saying something but there's countless thing I've said that I regret

[blazing harbor]

just dm BillyBobby whatever you want to tweet to get it off your back

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, this one really sucks. Fired for an f bomb: https://time.com/3706434/cella-tweet-fired-texas-jets-pizza/ for a pizza job. Altho, to ned's point, this was directed at the new job vs the original example.

[sick plaza]

one of the places I worked they prefixed everything in a database with anal if it was analytics

kind of wild

[blazing harbor]

I have a question let's say a great performing employee gets their degree revoked ( 5 years after graduating) for cheating on an exam in uni , are you firing them?

[sick plaza]

you can imagine the types of puns you can come up with when that is the prefix...

[fringe sphinx]

That doesn't seem very likely. But, nah, 5 years later, I don't care if they turn out to be from Pluto.

[blazing harbor]

do you think people should be able to blacklist a canditate bc of their political values (esp with like palestine vs israel etc)

[sick plaza]

not touching that one with a 20 ft pole

[blazing harbor]

billybobby is a brave person dw

[fringe sphinx]

Only if they brought the issues to work and wouldn't stop when asked. It's not their view, but inability to leave divisive issues at home.

me, I don't want to know coworkers political views. Or religious views. Or any of that.

[blazing harbor]

https://nypost.com/2023/10/16/harvard-condemned-hamas-after-complaint-from-donor-ken-griffin/ 🤔

[true harness]

i think it should be "possible", but shouldn't be done, unless it became a problem at work

[sick plaza]

When you work at those places you're just working to make Ken richer anyway

best place to be in finance is not citadel i can almost guarantee you that

[blazing harbor]

if you are a quant, it is p up there ngl tho

salaries are quite high esp for swe

[sick plaza]

there's lots of places that pay in that range

do they get carry?

[blazing harbor]

hmm not sure

also like that's p top for close to entry level imo

[fringe sphinx]

Citadel is supposedly one of the highest paid... up in the RenTech / Jane St.

(I have no first hand knowledge)

[blazing harbor]

like for quant, we have like sig, radix, hrt, citadel, jst, optiver and imc (one tier lower)

idk those are the popular ones that i feel like everyone knows about with JST being at the top for most ppl bc WLB is supposedly good there

idk @sick plaza what do you think

[sick plaza]

I think that when you work at one of those places the name is part of your compensation and it's actually negative carry

[blazing harbor]

yeah but the CEO is a fucking dumbass lmao what a POS

[sick plaza]

but when it's early in your career worth it

I think the ideal exit is into a small firm where you get carry

bc you probably aren't gonna touch it at most of the big places lol

but what do I know

I didn't work at any of those places but I have worked at competitors that you didn't mention

all of those places suck to work at from all lived experience evidence I've collected

IB is literally better

[blazing harbor]

IB is horirble lol

[sick plaza]

so are hedge funds

[fringe sphinx]

Oh, I like the small hedges, but from a vendor side

[blazing harbor]

I mean it's just brainless work which is what just makes me upset

[sick plaza]

hedge funds will gut you like a fish and leave you rotting on the side walk at the age of 25

happened to my friend who worked at citadel. he's a data scientist now though so he's okay

[fringe sphinx]

See, y'all see bad companies, I see customer opportunities.

[sick plaza]

so what the head of trading in the product I worked in said at the bank I worked at out of school was that all the richest people he know were private equity guys

how do they get that way? they aren't playing the stupid game of trying to hit a call option at a hedge fund they just get carry

so the fastest way to get yourself some nice equity the better

that's how the tech people do it too mostly

[blazing harbor]

billy one day I am going to make tons of money and make you proud

[sick plaza]

although HFT is a bit different I imagine that it's also not completely in your control how well you do

[blazing harbor]

idk how else you can get $500k+/yr entry as a normal CS + math grad

[sick plaza]

that is not a real number

you're saying first year analysts get 500k? that is not a real number at all. where did you hear that?

hf with the best comp structure is Bridgewater though

but good luck lasting there it's a madhouse

[blazing harbor]

not an analyst like quant swe or a trader

[sick plaza]

yeah those are like VP level comp numbers

maybe 500k for senior associates at those places

in a good year

I mean you can look up Citadel's range it's definitely competitive but I wonder if it's actually worth it to be there

anywhere that is pushing the "rockstar" angle is bound to be high stress and I get that from citadel

also if ur team does bad you might get nothing at some of those places

their base salary caps out at 200k so that might be all they get

and if they get fired or laid off in the middle of the year they get nothing

it's very high stress

[vapid jay]

what is with the new logo?

[sour tartan]

#changelog

[sick plaza]

one of the best things NYC did was introduce the pay transparency law

[vapid jay]

oh its black history month nice

[sick plaza]

so everyone can know what the comp range is for citadel, etc.

[vapid jay]

we all know ppl are gonna have some comments on this or they might complain

[sick plaza]

I bet it's also relevant for tech workers

[sour tartan]

maybe, maybe not. Wait until June 1st....

[vapid jay]

pride month I really don't see what is people's problem let people live their lives or respect their holidays or month. You don't have to like it at least be respectful.

[sick plaza]

let's be real everyone it's the workers vs the bosses, before we made them publish their comp ranges they would pay people differently just based on price discrimination vs their current job salary

[vapid jay]

yeah that use to be a thing back in the days

[dusty moon]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066 The new python design is nice,

[fierce inlet]

Hi! I was wondering if you guys know about classes that I should take in high school if I want to apply to colleges as a comp sci major/classes I would have to take in college anyways with this major

[digital fjord]

Usually, any sort of generic calculus and discrete math is a safe bet

[dusty moon]

Take AP Computer Science Course.

[fringe sphinx]

As much math as you can stand, too.

[fierce inlet]

I am currently a freshman, for next year do you recommend I start going into physics over areas in science such as bio and chem?

[fringe sphinx]

I doubt your choice of science matters much, but what country are you in?

[fierce inlet]

The US

[fringe sphinx]

My kids have to take bio, chem and physics... not sure they have a choice.

[fierce inlet]

My school offers double electives, so I have the option to take physics early..my thinking was that I could take physics c in senior year, which would help me with calculus skills

[deft herald]

I would say it's opposite

[fringe sphinx]

AP Physics C or something like that?

[fierce inlet]

Yes

[fringe sphinx]

That's like Physics II, iirc

[deft herald]

You would do better knowing calc before physics.

IMHO at least

[digital fjord]

You could see if you can't convince your teachers to let you take calc, if you have solid math grades, exceptions usually can be done.

[fierce inlet]

Would it be more beneficial if I went into statistics next year, or should I take physics as my elective?

[fringe sphinx]

Most CS programs require 2 semesters of a physical science, so the only advnatage there is clearing physics... but I don't think you can take AP Physics C without taking calc the previous year.

[fierce inlet]

That makes sense thank you!

[digital fjord]

oh definitely take stats IMO

[fringe sphinx]

Stats 100%

And/or linear.

[fierce inlet]

Awesome thank you!!

[deft herald]

Physics at a university is probably going to be more fun too

[fringe sphinx]

My son took stats and linear, in additional to calc 1 and 2

(his school had a nice freshman course where they doubled two algebra + geometry), plus he took a course a local university over the summer)

[fierce inlet]

That makes sense.. I think I’ll take stats then! Thanks for your help

[deft herald]

is that...is that even legal?

[true harness]

i'm not sure what you're even asking for 🤔. how are they gonna help you during interviews

[deft herald]

"i need you to get a job for me and do the job, but only get paid 20% for the job"

[true harness]

that's how outsourcing works isn't it 😩

[deft herald]

or are you saying "20% of my income forever for helping me with an interview"

If so...damn

[summer roost]

@brazen whale That breaks rule 5, 6, and 9 of our #rules

[vapid jay]

How can I make money as a python dev

[fringe sphinx]

Besides getting a iob, I suppose you mean?

[vapid jay]

No

Do something else not just some working bee

[fringe sphinx]

Invent the greatest app ever.

[strange nova]

TickTok app

[sullen forge]

what can I do after learning python basics

[smoky quest]

In terms of career, a CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation.

In terms of python itself, it depends on what you want to do with it. It's just a tool, not an end in itself

[sullen forge]

I am cs student, pursuing 2nd year

[smoky quest]

nice!
Then dive deeper into the language to learn about intermediate and advanced concepts. Don't hesitate to dive deeper in the topics you learn at school. It can also be helpful to review the various programming styles and paradigms (functional, oop, logic programming, actor models, etc.)

[tawdry sable]

I am so tired Im a first year in the UK ( degree is only 3 years) and i cannot get an internship. I have a great CV I even have all the CI/CD pipelines and everything. I applied to over 200 places. I have gotten like 6 interviews and all rejections.

Im so pissed off even with a referral to NVIDIA i got auto rejected at 2 am like wtff recruiters are ignoring me in linkedin and email. even a legit question about the job or anything, i get no replies

[buoyant seal]

Drop your anonymized resume here (erase contacts)
clarify for which job position (positions) u wish to go
clarify, first year in the UK, so u have still more than 2 years to finish?

some people will give a look and advice then. otherwise insufficient information to act upon.

[tawdry sable]

honestly any tech role i can get, perferablly software engineering/data engineer or something
yes i have 2 more years i am a first year @buoyant seal

[buoyant seal]

could u provide us with Github links to projects u made? is there anything available as public?

[tawdry sable]

no none of them are avaliable public

https://github.com/abdu558/Mintkard-web/blob/main/mintkard/decks.py here

[buoyant seal]

Explored containerization (Docker) and built on AWS (S3/Cloudfront) for cost-effective scaling
how is it this information related? How could u built docker containers in S3/Cloudfront ^_^?

[tawdry sable]

its it hard to find do you think thats an issue?

[tawdry sable]

just tried to get docker in my resume ngl

[tawdry sable]

tbh i asked chatgpt to rewrord my resume

[buoyant seal]

:/

[tawdry sable]

thought it would improve the ATS is that the issue??

[buoyant seal]

here goes all your originality to resume. Neural network makes stuff generic usually.

[tawdry sable]

I removed that

so is there anything else that is an issue, i thought my resume was good?

[buoyant seal]

also smth bs is written like Implemented CI CD using Github Actions (or similar). Weird stuff in brackets for phrase

[tawdry sable]

Thank you i just fixed that

I included my sixth form/ pre university and the subjects, should i remove that?

[buoyant seal]

there are several issues

1. as a student of first year, u will just have harder time to find anything because u are... still too fresh yeared
2. not visible any language u know better than others?
3. could be nice observing public github stored projects for easier check of skills
4. regular bullshit about Microsoft Office, Problem Solving. Everyone has it. no point to mention it.

I can see from this resume rather strong orientation towards DevOps engineering though.
somehow i see in this resume keywords from everything possibly useful for backend development, devops engineering and some mix of data science related stuff
together with previously observed mistakes in resume
there was a strong vibe towards towards resume being a fake you know

[tawdry sable]

i wrote python alot, i will make it easier to view the github, ok ill remove the ms office just some jobs asked for ms office

[tawdry sable]

no no i made this one like this week

i had an older one that was getting wrose results, so when i finished the aws course i changed my resume

[buoyant seal]

What can be improved?

1. remove Microsoft Office, Problem Solving
2. having projects presented as github
3. reading Code Complete
   and learning unit testing at practice and in theory
   And then applying in your published projects with high coverage. that will make marvelous job to them.

Nice would be to see projects preferably code big sized in nature, having something usable you know
4) to ponder about making resume written by yourself, in original way.

[tawdry sable]

I add to my resume that i read code complete?

[buoyant seal]

for every thing u write there, i will be quite skeptical of its pressence without lack of projects at this point. just the vibe i get.
U wrote terraform? expecting terraform to see in projects.
U wrote kubernetes? same
And etc

[tawdry sable]

Should i reduce to 1 page? and how do i highlight the awards they are on the bottom

[buoyant seal]

that's more for applying to pet projects published at github/gitlab whatever

[tawdry sable]

yea im currently doing a project that includes all the recently learned stuff

[tawdry sable]

what do you mean?

you mean applying for jobs at github projects?

[buoyant seal]

5. @tawdry sable extra note... u like mention amount of tech stack in array big enough to fit some company.
   That's strong consideration towards devops engineering
   but i see here a problem of potential lack of depth to each of this stuff. could be nice observing proofs of learning stuff to some at least average level of usability

[buoyant seal]

great

[tawdry sable]

honestly i prefer jsut software development but alot of companies asked for CI/CD and aws for software roles now im afriad im too much at devops

[buoyant seal]

like... learned unit testing, apply in your github published projects to have high auto testing coverage of the code
and have CI showing their autolaunch / may be even publishing resulting coverage %

Code complete is just for more generic nicer readability of code and structure and everything

[tawdry sable]

and why do recruiters just ignore me?? the bigger the company the bigger the ignoring goes?

[tawdry sable]

ohh smart idea thank you, problem is when i finish all this and add some projects i dont think ill get any internships this year

[fringe sphinx]

To repeat what was already said: you’re a first year. Many companies use interns as a hiring pipeline and prefer candidates heading into their last year

[tawdry sable]

ik i need an internship this year badly

i got rejected from some spring weeks aswell?? why is that some were before interviews and some were after

[buoyant seal]

yeah that's too. Students are like 10 times are less productive or more than a junior. as far as i observed when dealing with them
What a student will be doing 4 months, junior graduated can do in 1 week just because he has full time already avilable and graduated.
From this point makes sense usually only to go for last year students, in preparation to hunt them and make fully fledged workers in some reasonable time lines.

[tawdry sable]

like i got 100% in the OA but still got rejected which doesnt make much sense

[tawdry sable]

ohh, so what is my best strategy? work on projects and give up the hunt?

[fringe sphinx]

Understood, widen your search. In a tight market, you might need to take an adjacent role in tech (even support is good work experience)

Or QA

[fringe sphinx]

I also think the resume looks a bit unrealistic for what I’d expect a 1st year can do. Can I really ask you about every topic on that resume, and you will have sufficient knowledge?

[buoyant seal]

that was explanation of their attitude.

well, my advice is learning some path in depth.
or just learning at least core software engineering stuff as main things.

with building eventual portfolio, u will be way more lucratively attractive person for internship when time comes in some next years.
may be not very actively making search for internships until last year arrived.
all this time before working on your skills in Depth. and a lot practicing

[tawdry sable]

yes bruh i spent all year applying and fixing resume

and doing courses + alot of stuff was from last year of highschool we had alot of coding projects that required alot of stuff to be learned (2022 alot of stuff is from

do i delete this or no?

[tawdry sable]

thank you for the advice tho

[buoyant seal]

u a welcome. i could summarize total problems here then
that current image u built is made out of

1. cheap courses + 2) too much looking like fake resume + 3) too much zero in depth skills looks like. hard to believe depth in 1 year student that chased so much different stuff
   courses are kind of tool of people without degree usually

how to fix the image

1. projects exploring stuff in depth.
   practice in pet projects is very visible and self rewarding

• core software engineering practices, making maintainable and readable code.
• something with good presentation in README/documentation regarding its usage
• essentially it will be seen as example of your future work. So consider all projects as... stuff to maintain/update with your skills growth
• best to choose project usable in everyday life for you or other people. that will make a point for its continuied evolvement easily

2. training towards smth u have towards more in depth than width already
   You wish certs towards smth. All right, aws certification is actually valuable towards DevOps engineering path a lot.
   and towards backend development too
   (not free certification too though)

3. can be nice learning some relational db like postgres in depth as well
   it will be both beneficial towards devops and backend

[tawdry sable]

https://www.coursera.org/specializations/aws-devops
I got this one isntead its from AWS is this fine??

its on coursera by AWS tho

[buoyant seal]

well, nice that it is offered by AWS itself. this part could be included into resume as worthy to note for more value
it will tell it is more than no name course then

[tawdry sable]

oh ok thank you

[buoyant seal]

@tawdry sable some extra note. it will be nice seeing your code skills in projects eventually at scale.
like how u flare on 5k, 20k code lines and etc.
So, than bigger, then more interesting project will be to observe

projects out of 50 code lines not very representable

[tawdry sable]

mintpages was like 3k should i write that?

Also im thinking about doing a ai app like using whsiper and tech like that for voices is that fine? ik it doesnt directly relate but im interested in it

[buoyant seal]

people will see it, as long as u direct them towards your best projects
pin projects to guide person to / mention in resume what to check and have links towards them
i mean it is important for public pet projects

[tawdry sable]

ok ill delete my school right? as well because it cointans what alevels (like APs)

[buoyant seal]

not familiar with UK system too much. let person from UK answer that

[tawdry sable]

ok thank you

should i get a referral btw before i apply to a palce in the future? i dm'ed people in linkedin randomly till i get a referral

[harsh bison]

i want to do full DSA using python as a beginner and master , can any one suggest me a course for that or best roadmap for that

And as a python developer which is the best frame work and future in demand framework for any type of project that companies mostly prefer

[tawdry sable]

google guide of dsa/more advanced is the mit opencourse data structures and algorithims and them with every single one you complete you do the neetcode section of it

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[analog bobcat]

You are not really specific nor come over as if you are serious mr Musk

[blazing harbor]

Leon no…

[wanton oriole]

I don’t know what any of the channels are for😭

[blazing harbor]

Whyyy I want a job at Tesla

Could have been the real one

You never know. They could have squandered a great opportunity for me

[vapid jay]

Hillo

[fringe pine]

Hello

[vapid jay]

#web-development

[silver jacinth]

my guy our entire cohort can't get an internship and we're our final year. You're not the problem

I recently heard back from a company where I know people there, its a big canadian one and they're laying people off and last night they sent me an email saying the position was cancelled after reconsideration from their department

[true harness]

even if that's the case, complaining about it isn't going to do anything helpful. best to just keep improving and applying

[silver jacinth]

bruh

our college has 10 positions rn for 50 students

apparently other colleges and the unis are worse off

[deft herald]

Do you have to go through your college?

[silver jacinth]

For these applications I didn't. I applied for one through the college for a data science position

[true harness]

you must realize that complaining about the lack of success from the student perspective is not very persuasive

[silver jacinth]

what do you mean

I just expressed the situation with internships regarding our cohort

[errant jacinth]

...So, uh,
I'm partaking on an interview process with this company, and they've just asked me, for a 'technical test', to write a functionality for them and submit them according to a list of parameters they just sent.

I'm not gonna lie, I don't feel inclined to do this AT ALL.
However, I'm still interested on the pay as it's a significant increase from my current internship.
Is there a way to navigate or negotiate around this? I'm definitely not writing free software for them when they can just drop me during the interview.

[tawdry sable]

chatgpt go brr

[fringe sphinx]

Coding assignments are fairly normal. It’s not like your code is going to solve anything of value for them: most people would rather a take home than a whiteboard coding.

But if you want the job, play their game. If you don’t then done. Declining a coding assignment is equivalent, imo, to walking away

[tawdry sable]

is it a known company

BTW do sernior engineers etc have the power to create a role for me? like do they have a power to instant hire me without posting a job and making me apply for it

[fringe sphinx]

No.

[kindred oyster]

they can refer you , which will give you a significant boost in over all hiring process

[tawdry sable]

it was even a vp he said he would refer me but i got rejected he doesnt have the power???

[deft herald]

Generally, no one person will have that power

[fringe sphinx]

A referral is just a referral. Not an offer.

A referral (usually) just gets your resume thru the first hurdle: having someone look at it.

[tawdry sable]

but it didnt they auto rejected me at 2 am

with the job still open, im thinking of maybe reapplying to the same job i did put a cv thats a few months older

[kindred oyster]

if a person in high power gives the referral , it might skew the interview as well , depends on where you get the referral from , a referral from VP is not the same as referral from an engineer

[tawdry sable]

See, the issue i have rn is

[kindred oyster]

but the bottom line is , you cant circumvent the whole hiring process

[tawdry sable]

The vp said messaage this recruiter tell them i referred you, i message on linkedin the recruiter he looks at my linkedin and ignores me

[kindred oyster]

thats not how referrals usually work

[tawdry sable]

what can i do with this? do i re message the vp and tell him he ignored me? i mean the vp said message him and tell him i referred you

[kindred oyster]

maybe he didnt mean it when he said he would refer you 🤷‍♂️

a referral is not a verbal thing that gets talked over text

[fringe sphinx]

You can just let the VP know they didn’t response or ghosted you, and ask (politely and in good English/grammar) if they could drop a note directly to them.

[tawdry sable]

this is what the vp said:
Hi MYNAME,
I would suggest that you reach out to my colleague RECRUITER NAMEresponsible for internship opportunities here at COMPANY NAME tell him that I referred you to him thank you.

Kind regards,
VP NAME

[errant jacinth]

While coding assignments are reasonable, but it's too large of a project for me to be comfortable with.
The deadline is one week, and they're asking for a dashboard that requests and displays statistics provided by an internal API of theirs

[tawdry sable]

he looked on my linkedin and ignored me after which is even werirder, btw the message means that right?

[kindred oyster]

if this is a mail from his work id , forward this mail to HR

[errant jacinth]

I'm very suspicious they're trying to get a freebie out of that.

It's a simple project, but like, why?

[kindred oyster]

if its a good and reputed company with good past hirings , then they are not

but i have seen some sketchy startups do this shit

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, that’s fair then; ‘hey this project is simply more than I have time for right now.’

[tawdry sable]

its from linkedin

[fringe sphinx]

LinkedIn is noisy, don’t overthink it

[errant jacinth]

It's from a local startup, sooo

[tawdry sable]

see thats the issue its from linkedin message, what HR email do i message? i dont have a HR email

[true harness]

but also take homes are cooked up problems, not related to anything real world. having you talk to their API is sus

[tawdry sable]

what email do i message or do i just remessage him back saying he ignored me

[errant jacinth]

I'll try my best to negotiate it down to something more reasonable, as I really like their pay and benefits
I'm not opposed to proving my technical skills, and I'd do it if I felt secure enough regarding the position, but not if there's the possiblity of them just dropping me after I'm done.

[tawdry sable]

pls help im only 1st year noob trying to get internships

[kindred oyster]

research about the company , see if they have a site , if they have a portal, find people that work there on linkedin , message them
and try to reach out to the VP in a polite manner as billy pointed out above

[errant jacinth]

But appreciate the advice
I'll just prepare myself for the thing to fall through

[tawdry sable]

the recruiter is HR, mhmm okay btw i did this and no one messaged me back

[kindred oyster]

dont overthink about internships too much
if you dont get this particular one even after trying a lot , dont overthink it , go for some other company

people lots of time say loose stuff , stuff they dont 100% mean

ig your last resort is to printout your resume and post it to their company office

[tawdry sable]

Okay ill message the VP back, i think the vp is lead recruiter or something aswell

[tawdry sable]

he has principal roles and tech sourcer as well

Hi NAME,
I have messaged RECRUITER NAME, but he has not yet got back to me.
WHAT ELSE DO I WRITE HERE?
Thanks,
MY NAME

[kindred oyster]

if he was actively hiring and looking for people , i doubt he will ghost potential candidates whom he has taken special interst in and reached out from his side

[true harness]

"I'm wondering if there's any update on my application ..."

[blazing harbor]

I hate take homes esp ones that take more than 3+ hours

[tawdry sable]

(I am a first year so it tends to happen)

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, an overnight take home seems fine to me. A 1 week assignment, that's too much.

[tawdry sable]

to the recruiter? or to the VP? because i cant message the recruiter because linkeidn wont let me if he doesnt respond back

[blazing harbor]

also with startups I generally go on the safe side if they are just using you to do their work

that would honestly be a fairly good scam in this market 😭 make them develop the whole application

[fringe sphinx]

Nah, nobody would do that, imo.

[true harness]

the vp

[tawdry sable]

he doesnt know anything about my app, he said message the recuriter to get me an app

[true harness]

if you were super cheap, I guess. but who would want the code of some random prospective intern that you haven't evaluated

[tawdry sable]

i was thinking to message him hi i got no response from your recruiter but thats a bit confrontational

[near ocean]

How do I take over for my senior dev who, very obviously does not want to manage others, but has been put in a position where he has to manage a small team of devs?
Hostile takeover allowed but not preferred, I also don't want to manage people but i'd rather do that than be half way managed

tl;dr my senior dev and I are in an awkward spot

[vapid jay]

hello

[deft herald]

Is he on board with this takeover? Is there a boss that's common to the both of you?

[near ocean]

No idea.
Yes we both have a bigger bossman and its the same guy.

I guess the difficult part is actually confirming he doesnt want to manage a team
Im only guessing now but given their kind of slowness and light apathy thats what im thinking

[deft herald]

Have you spoken with big bossman about this? That would probably be my first action

This could definitely be a good opportunity for you, but i don't like the idea of a "hostile takeover"

[near ocean]

What do I say though?

Hey bossman, this senior guy doesnt look like they like managing, why dont i give it a shot?

The other issue is that people from other teams/depts already acknowledge them as the team lead here

[dapper bane]

what is the best way to get a job in python or make some money freelancing ping me

[deft herald]

"Hey bossman, i have some concerns about senior guy and the leadership direction of the team"

[deft herald]

The "path of least resistance" as often discussed here is to obtain a bachelor's of science degree in a related field (CS, CSE, EE, etc)

[dapper bane]

I have one

[deft herald]

well that's a great start then

[dapper bane]

I have some internship experience too in react native

[deft herald]

When did you graduate?

[dapper bane]

2023

[deft herald]

OK. Now go apply for every job you find that says "new grad"

I like to find companies that are hiring on sites like linkedin, then go to that company's careers page and apply directly

[dapper bane]

what should I do specifically this stuff I already know MERN, react native, godot, python, django(still learning)

[dapper bane]

I am talking about specifically india

[deft herald]

Ok. I think my advice would still apply. I'm not familiar with the tech job market in India though

[sharp stag]

Hii,i am a laravel developer with 9 months experience,would it be a good step to learn python/django for high salary jobs??

[sharp stag]

i need advice

[deft herald]

Um. I'm not sure how much the salary would differ to what you're getting paid now. But i'm not going to tell you to avoid learning Python 😄

[sharp stag]

what do u prefer nodejs or python for backend development?

[near ocean]

Theyre the same thing
Check your local market

[deft herald]

I don't prefer anything cause i don't do backend dev

Ok some of my team members use Django for backened. So sure, i'll prefer that

[tardy badge]

I’m getting a budget to buy a teacher desktop in my computer science class. Any recommendations for minimum specs?

[dapper bane]

wdy think of my github ? https://github.com/needJobCoder?tab=repositories

[peak halo]

doesn't seem related to careers? but any computer should do for learning basic computer science. except perhaps chromebooks (but only because of limitations imposed by the OS, not the hardware).

@barren sand offering jobs is not allowed. your message has been removed.

[blazing harbor]

unless this is an ML class, you will not have an issue with any computer

[tardy badge]

Yea, I was struggling where to put the question. Right now, I am working on my MacBook, and students are on chrome book. I have a Nice set up at home, but not sure how much to should push for here at school.

[peak halo]

if your students can write and run python programs on the chromebook, then they should be good to go. Otherwise, they could use an online platform like replit.

[kindred oyster]

#1208147439400390666 message they have opened a post with the same thing

[fringe sphinx]

Hey, that’s not kind. We’re all on the same team: team keep pydis pleasant

[blazing harbor]

yeah lol was joking billy 😭 I'm sorry tho; please don't take this into consideration when ur considering the adoption

[sand patio]

what?

[deft herald]

🤷‍♂️

[blazing harbor]

impressive I like it and the pfp is cool

[hearty island]

guys i got to the second round for Pfizer!

[whole flare]

based

[shadow dawn]

Does anyone know of any discord servers specifially aimed around sharing work & job opportunities?

[deft herald]

Linkedin

[buoyant seal]

Indeed.com

[crisp gate]

okay, I got it

[gritty sage]

Merry Christmas

[stuck urchin]

heroooo

I'm an econ major with econometrics stats and an itec course, and some maths...
I'm wondering how I'd be able to highlight that on a resume

Those specific skills

[dull bramble]

Here is my portfolio.

https://shinobi8894.onrender.com/

Thank you

[buoyant seal]

any specific questions?

[dull bramble]

just give me any feedback for improve

[buoyant seal]

my spider sense is literally tingling that there is a fraud involved 😅

or there is some measure of truth is present as well, mixed in this

hard to point finger exactly, but interesting to find all footprints. Found some at least clues strongly suggesting that.

[deft herald]

What do you mean exactly? Like it's just over the top?

[buoyant seal]

Well, lets open his https://shinobi8894.onrender.com/skills skills
Notice how every skill is having 4 years attached to it, from AWS to Git and etc

yet, Github account is having project having only 2 commits in each

we can find his history of activity traced only to 2022 year when he graduated from Online courses academy as frontend dev

every other network present activity is not older than this 2022 year

[deft herald]

Linked in implies actual experience

[buoyant seal]

the projects itself are rather very small in code. there is some posibility they were made by himself
otherwise potential hints everything coded is no longer than a year

[deft herald]

And a BS degree in 2013

[buoyant seal]

it asks for questions. it was finished in 2013 year for supposed to be CS degree
Yet coding activity is like only from 2021-22 year.
something happened between those years. Strange... career you know for CS degree graduate that graduated this long time ago

[deft herald]

Lack of Personal gh contributions does not imply lack of work

Maybe OP should come defend himself

[buoyant seal]

shrugs. may be not as alone flag. but as sum of them it stands

i can believe that he is probably real UI/UX designer from the sum of present stuff
But highly suspect that coding experience was started only a year or two ago

Yeah... i think i found his previous identity. / set of accounts.
Question araises why it was hidden

https://github.com/shinobi8894/nft-generator

Here u can see NFT generator
and screen shot to it
I found his other multiple cloues leading to old identity

https://github.com/formysister
https://medium.com/@cyberstorm2007
https://www.npmjs.com/package/nft-collection-generator
as cyberstorm2007

https://web3.career/@cyberstorm2007 his old portfolio page looking like

https://github.com/formysister?tab=repositories

The stranginess persists. Old identity is made out of more than 23 repositories with single commit 🤔

I have a theory, this is fraud identity assuming may be, potentially.
For some freelancing platform. Like upwork and etc

[high coral]

I am a few months away from getting a BS in Computer Science and Math. I am looking for a Full-Stack / Software Engineering role, but I am also very interested in obtaining my Masters degree.

Any reccomendations / advice as to how I should obtain my Masters? Should I try to look for a job that will compensate me for my Masters?

[odd gorge]

ik the basics of python but idk what to specialize in

[blazing harbor]

@fringe sphinx would you ever participate in employee monitoring

[wanton birch]

Do all of you maintain a well curated online portfolio of your projects?

I just suck at it. I start projects, build stuff and lose interest and dive into other projects and rinse and repeat. Wish I followed a better methodical way of managing these things from the start.

[fleet reef]

What would you tell that person that only has 28% productivity?
Do they need to increase their productivity?

[blazing harbor]

What if they were just thinking or reading 😭

What is productivity in percentages lol

[fleet reef]

Or researching
Or giving a client a tour

[fleet reef]

I have absolutely no fucking idea
There's no explanation

[blazing harbor]

Bob clicked the mouse every 4 seconds 😭 100% productivity

[blazing harbor]

Yeah it’s so stupid. I would pack my bags and leave if I got a diff job lol

[fleet reef]

It's some arbitrary ass metric based on their stats, which includes the items above, like printing documents
One half of the company prints shit out all day, and the other half almost never prints, so their stats are always going to be lower

Its arbitrary numbers based on arbitrary stats.
That benefits nothing but micromanagement.

[deft herald]

Wow holy crap

[fleet reef]

Yeah
In addition to this shit, my boss also gave himself access to all of sales email inboxes, and demands that they archive emails after something is done so he can "see at a glance what their current workload looks like"
My boss started an "investigation" because one of the sales people's email metrics were "wrong". Turns out they were just sending Teams messages instead of emails or walking around and interrupting people instead of sending emails

IMHO, if you fail so badly at measuring your team's output that you have to make up arbitrary stats and act like they mean something, you've lost, and need to regoup and figure out real metrics

[deft herald]

Yeah that whole idea seems toxic as all hell

[pine sleet]

you can leave your anonymized resume here for feedback. it would seem as if another job would benefit you well

[deft herald]

Wait is this real at your current job?

[fleet reef]

Oh yeah

[deft herald]

Aw hell naw. That sucks

[fleet reef]

Yeeaaap
get me out of here!!

[pine sleet]

you should work on your resume

[deft herald]

My emails received/sent would be like 350/2

[fleet reef]

I actually don't even get rejections to my applications anymore
The last couple months it's just been radio silence

[pine sleet]

that sounds like your resume needs some work

[fleet reef]

@ mods this guy is harassing me

[deft herald]

Lol

[pine sleet]

^

[smoky quest]

Finding a job that funds your masters is ideal! There is however, no guarantees about it. It usually comes with strings attached as well (ex: staying at the company for N years or you have to pay it back)

[blazing harbor]

Honestly if you get the job done, and aren’t an ass to other employees, who cares about what you did

[deft herald]

Exactly

[deft herald]

Sounds like that management doesn't even know what "get the job done" means though. As it was really well put here

[blazing harbor]

You should explore other schools but if you do masters at umich and you are a gsi, p sure it’s free

[fleet reef]

I don't know why you've asked four times, but here you go, I hope you enjoy it

v2 WIP
I REALLY need to put something other than "HTML" at the top, but I don't really use anything other than Python
||oops forgot a censor||

[smoky quest]

you should add azure to technologies.

Have you identified a few devops/sre positions to apply over the week end?

[fleet reef]

"Azure" by itself is extremely broad
My weekend just started, I just finished all of my preexisting action items

[smoky quest]

I know. You also want your resume to be a closer fit to devops/sre. And that means making sure your future employer knows you are familiar with one of the big 3

[fleet reef]

I'm actually vaguely familiar with all three
I've set up SSO into AWS Control Tower and... whatever GCP's thing was called
But those were all weekend projects, not really resume worthy IMO
Maybe I'll start a blog

[vital wyvern]

• First bullet is too verbose IMO.

• You know more than just those technologies.

• How many hosts were you responsible for? Capture that impact.

• Work on making the two that spill over to three lines shorter.

• Work on capitalization. Fortune 500, not fortune 500.

• "Managed the IT helpdesk and infrastructure for a company with a $20M annual turnover" is weak. What does managing IT helpdesk and infrastructure entail? They already know you did it for a company, it's at the top of the resume.

• You did more at Vipyr than your resume leads on. You manage the infra for an org that maintains the overwhelmingly vast majority of anti-malware activities in the Python ecosystem.

• Python Discord is weak. Rephrase or drop entirely.

[smoky quest]

don't undersell yourself

[vital wyvern]

"Managed organization applications and infrastructure" is a little ridiculous. What are those applications and infrastructure?

[crisp stream]

Python Discord is weak.

[fleet reef]

Bring out the

[vital wyvern]

Don't end your Technologies sections with periods either. It looks silly.

[crisp stream]

Jokes aside, good points ^

[vital wyvern]

I like having dates on my projects as well. I know that this template allows it (because I use this template.) I'm not sure why you dropped that section.

[fleet reef]

I didn't even notice that
Ruff is subliminally training me!!

[fleet reef]

I still need to rename that
They're entire orgs not singular projects

[vital wyvern]

I don't see PostgreSQL mentioned anywhere in here.
You taught me Postgres shit. That's probably worth... slipping in there somewhere. (Not teaching me, just the technology.)

[fleet reef]

"taught a heckito to use the elephant"

[vital wyvern]

When you're looking at referring to security shit, you need to use the proper terms.
Configuration management is what you're trying to capture in your third work bullet, in addition to Intune and Defender for Endpoint.

[fleet reef]

I don't know the proper terms

[vital wyvern]

Then ask someone that works in and/or studies Cybersecurity to help you. 🙂
"Hey man I did this one time, is there an official term for this?"

[fleet reef]

@everyone any cybersec here??

[vital wyvern]

Patiently waiting for the day that that isn't suppressed because Discord screwed up and you rip an at-everyone ping on accident.

[fleet reef]

YOU TAKE THAT BACK
KNOCK ON SOME WOOD RIGHT NOW

[vital wyvern]

But yeah-- focus your resume. I want you to connect with @crisp stream. See if he'll give you a resume-- or a sample resume.
Have him sit down with you and find some job roles, or identify some weak points in your resume.

He works in the role you're targeting, it's idiomatic that he'd have some insight here.

[crisp stream]

Hello

[blazing harbor]

Hi can we grab some coffee

[true harness]

source?

[crisp stream]

I don't drink coffee

[vital wyvern]

It's a list of items. It does not possess the components to create a sentence. Ending it with a period is therefor incorrect.

[fleet reef]

What do you drink?

[vital wyvern]

32, 64, 128, 256, 512, 1024, 2048
Please pick up eggs, bacon, waffles, and pancakes.

[true harness]

source?

[vital wyvern]

I'm not arguing this-- it's objectively silly. You're detracting from my point.

[true harness]

it's...not objective at all

[fleet reef]

ERR: 1:35: D400 - First line should end with a period

[smoky quest]

It's distracting the conversation

[fleet reef]

That's his special thing
You wouldn't want to take away someone's special thing, would you???

[smoky quest]

you are being distracted

[vital wyvern]

Also avoid phrases like "near 2%". It's fine to say 2%. You're not lying, you're just rounding, and you're saving verbosity.

[fleet reef]

Okay now that's just nitpicking

[vital wyvern]

It's not, your resume is very word heavy. Mine was too (and arguably still is.) Cutting through some of that density is going to make reading it easier.

[fleet reef]

So what?
I'm barely awake anyways

[smoky quest]

It's a valid statement. Decisions are made within 30-45s. Any distraction on the resume is just wasted time and a probability for the reviewer to drop off

[smoky quest]

We will make you into a lean mean resume machine

[fleet reef]

Where exactly?

Also I just realized that projects have skills and jobs don't
This template is dumb

[smoky quest]

you could add a new Cloud line to your technologies. It gives you an opportunity to list other cloud related stuff like helm, terraform, ansible, etc.
You could also sprinkle it where appropriate in your projects

[fleet reef]

What if I'd rather do happy things that I enjoy?

[smoky quest]

don't get distracted

[fleet reef]

By happiness?

[smoky quest]

the goal is a better job you enjoy. Which leads to happiness

[fleet reef]

Why can't you just hand me a job?

[fleet reef]

You know if I just throw away everything I'm going to end up with like half a page which is just going to look like I didn't do nothing

[smoky quest]

That means people take things for granted. If they are unable to take the steps themselves for their very own benefit, it means they won't do the next few steps required of them

[vital wyvern]

I want you to shorten it so we can make room for higher impact things.
So focus on making your current bullets tell your story.
You have a set of valuable skills, now show me that you have those with your resume.

Shorten them up, make them easier to read, and show off your actual skillset.

[verbal elk]

what should I write in my resume when i do not have experince?

[blazing harbor]

Projects coursework training

[smoky quest]

education, projects, internships

[verbal elk]

Thank you I will try to write it in my resume

[crisp gate]

is being a virtual assistant a viable job?

[vital wyvern]

Typically "virtual assistants" are like... AI kinda deals, aren't they?

[fleet reef]

The term is sometimes used to apply to PSTN "auto attendants"
But yeah, it's overwhelmingly AI bullshit

[smoky quest]

or scams?

[crisp gate]

yeah but it would be like replying to your emails, answering and responding to calls etc.

but idk I might find it better to just get someone to teach me plumbing or something

[vital wyvern]

I think that's just... an Assistant or a Secretary.

If you're asking if you can do that with remote work, absolutely.

[lost cypress]

Hey I am currently in college right now pursuing a bachelor's in CS and a minor in mathematics

I am currently in the process searching of for an internship, and I was wondering if anybody had any thoughts on emailing or linkedin messaging a recruiter for the internship I am applying for?

I just want to maximize my chance and set myself apart as a candidate if that makes sense (any advice or tips are appreciated)

and of course I am aware of the current market state but I am just trying to set myself up as best as possible and not be jobless after I graduate

[vital wyvern]

Couldn't hurt. Don't sound like you're begging for a job.
If it's a recruiter, and you're an 'eligible candidate', I would think they have some interest in networking with you as well.
I have plenty of recruiters on my LinkedIn.

[smoky quest]

tbh, emailing them for the sake of it, won't just make them put you at the top of the list. They will most likely refer you to the intake link.
So it comes down to making them want to put you at the top of the list, which is the difficult part.

[lost cypress]

yeah definitely

[vital wyvern]

I don't know that I think emails are appropriate though, I agree with r_e. LinkedIn, however, is kind of... for that purpose.

That's the idea behind the platform-- for you to network with recruiters and colleagues in the field.

[lost cypress]

so i should definitely lean towards using linkedin as a reaching out tool?

idk i just have a feeling that they get completely bombarded with much more messages on linkedin compared to email, that my message will drown in a pool of messages they have

[smoky quest]

email and linkedin -> same fight.

Linkedin does enable you to build your network ahead of time though

[lost cypress]

ah i see

[vital wyvern]

I mean your focus here shouldn't be trying to raise your application on the 'stack', but instead to build a network of people that are constantly posting job advertisements/working in the industry, and when they're looking for potential candidates for a specific role, if they ever turn to LinkedIn, it'd be really neat if your name was on their connections as someone they recognized.

[lost cypress]

when you say people constantly posting job advertisements, are you referring to like those LinkedIn semi-popular accounts that post when a company has new positions? Or do you mean an actual recruiter for a specific company that posts when new positions are open for their company?

@vital wyvern

[vital wyvern]

The later.
I'm connected with a bunch of recruiters in the (previous) field that I worked.
I'm working on building up that pool of connections again with new fields and new companies.
There are a few on there that I could send a resume to and receive very good feedback from because we chatted in passing, know each other through an event, etc.

I don't bother adding the spammer recruiters. I'm focusing on actual people who are posting actual opportunities.

[lost cypress]

And would you say just going through certain companies I’m interested in then filtering for the recruiters and HR people and making an attempt to connect with them would be a good way of finding these people?

[vital wyvern]

Mmm, it depends. Don't spam it out necessarily, but if it's someone you're never going to chat with otherwise, it probably doesn't hurt lol.
Most recruiters I'm associated with are people whom I met through hiring events, talks, etc.
Network network network.

[lost cypress]

Ah I see

I met a few recruiters at a CS career fair I attended recently hoping it could be a good networking opportunity and I was able to connect with a couple on linked in, we had good conversations at the event so hopefully I can make the most of that

I’m just not sure where to find internship based hiring events since most career fairs happen in the fall,

I’m just really nervous about my future career especially if I am not able to secure an internship for this summer (I graduate spring 2025)

[vital wyvern]

A really cool cold opener for stuff like that is...
"Hey, we spoke briefly at <event>. If you have some free time, I'd really appreciate it if you took a look over my resume and gave me some general feedback! I'm targeting <role>."
And just slide in a resume.

There's a good chance if they connected with you, they're kind of anticipating that kind of connection; and you may be the opportunity that falls in their lap if they're looking for a candidate. Conversely, you might get some good feedback.

And worst case scenario, you get left on read (potentially with many other candidates). But it probably doesn't hurt your chances at all with a job in the future.

I can give you the last one I sent:

Hey <name>,
Reaching out, we spoke briefly at a career event with <event> last year, I really appreciated the time you took to mentor us in <career program>. I'm a transitioning veteran targeting a job at <company> as a Reverse Engineer for the <AAA-Game> franchise.

I was wondering if you could look over my resume, or point me in a direction that I can get some good feedback from.

I've attached it for your convenience.

Regards,
Rem

This plays on a few things. We share a background (veterans), I'm approaching from a 'known commodity' (a specific yearly event), and that he's probably helping out a colleague, not just... some random stranger. Kinda' all about knowing how to work the social aspect of it.

[lost cypress]

i really like that one u sent

ill definitely consider this, nice and concise

is there a resume review channel by any chance?

[buoyant seal]

Best to compare not a single day
But entire weeks or better month

All things should be summed up to more truthful data how worker was productive/active in comparison to previous month.

That accounts for a lot of errors araised from periodicness present in any worker activity

Or at least using a week data should be as bare minium. Because worker productivity always changing depending on a week day.
Waking up at Monday, being productive first days, potentially less productive at Friday and etc

Mind you though, I find horrifying what u compare there... I am just noting nature of your data and need for more data points for its proper comparability

In reality problem of course that we go full with quantifying only metrics we can observe with least amount of effort and ignore everything else as not important. Horrible

[peak halo]

@vapid jay what you're soliciting is not appropriate for this server; your message has been removed.

[vapid jay]

jesus😂 ok

[spice charm]

Hi

I am a AI engineer.

[vapid jay]

hi AI engineer are u single

[peak halo]

!ban 1109192990536237166 "1 week" This server isn't a place to solicit romantic relationships, especially given that our users are as young as 13 and the risk for exploitation.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @dull hazel until <t:1708772759:f> (7 days).

[spice charm]

I have rich experience in Data Science, Scraping and Prompt engineering.

If you want my help, please DM.

[peak halo]

if you want to offer help, head to #data-science-and-ml. Don't ask people to DM you.

[spice charm]

Got it.

[peak halo]

It's easier for everyone if people ask questions in the server, so that whoever happens to be online at the time can read it and start answering it.

[sour tartan]

(and other readers can benefit)

[chrome narwhal]

Hi there!
I am a digital marketing specialist with over 10 years of experience, currently trying to pivot my career into a data/AI engineering role. I’ve been studying HTML, CSS, SQL, Java, and Python for 2month and I find Python to be my favorite.

Could anyone suggest a specific title that utilizes my digital marketing background and also allows me to use Python, similar to a “Growth Engineer,” for example?

What kind of entry-level job titles or roles would allow me to become accustomed to using Python/SQL?

[buoyant seal]

Could anyone suggest a specific title that utilizes my digital marketing background and also allows me to use Python, similar to a “Growth Engineer,” for example?
Opening a book to remember all the buzzwords

Sounds like you are may be Business Analyst, System Analyst, or may be some sort of Data Scientist

System analyst definition:

The systems analyst role focuses on the IS issues surrounding the system. This person
develops ideas and suggestions for ways that IT can support and improve business processes,
helps design new business processes supported by IT, designs the new IS, and ensures that all IS
standards are maintained. The systems analyst will have significant training and experience in
analysis and design and in programming.

Business analyst definition:

The business analyst role focuses on the business issues surrounding the system. This person
helps to identify the business value that the system will create, develops ideas for improving the
business processes, and helps design new business processes and policies. The business analyst
will have business training and experience, plus knowledge of analysis and design.

[buoyant seal]

data/AI engineering role
this direction is usually called Data engineering
hubt — 09/22/2022
i warn everyone that wants to be in AI/ML: you spend a huge amount of time on data validation, cleanup, and analysis. and generally a lot less time than you'd think on the actual AI/ML part. unless your company has very mature data management and data pipelines(very few companies do), expect to spend a lot more time on data engineering than AI/ML
data/AI usually tie themselves to Data Engineer job role

[buoyant seal]

Data Scientists are usually people able to extract useful data with Python/SQL out of information for business some value.
So with marketing background i would assume here you have potentially bonuses

[chrome narwhal]

Thank you so much for the info!

There are many titles and job descriptions so far.. I appreciate it!

My future goal is going to becoming data engineering side but considering my current skills and background, plus your info, maybe business function analyst would be my first step 🤔

[chrome narwhal]

Also, I have always loved talking robots. Ever since I was young, I've talked to Siri and participated in robot hackathons as a team member, contributing ideas and even winning. In the future, I want to pursue a career in robotics.

Can you think of any job titles that involve developing what robots say? And also related data science / engineering one?

[buoyant seal]

LLM Machine Learning / AI

i think all the mentioned job titles depending on need can be part of it.
Including need for data engineers
this domain just adds extra need in Data engineers, AI/ML engineers and potential MLOps stuff, DevMLOps (infra building around ML)

there should be always Backend developers as part of a team too 🤔 After all this stuff is always server side (Although google translating app started to offer downloading and using stuff offline)

[chrome narwhal]

I see! Then I may be start working as data scientist using python / SQL skills, and then I’ll go get CS master or bachelor of ML and AI to endeavor my engineering career.

[chrome narwhal]

Oh yes, I was wondering what’s the difference of backend developers and those data scientists / ML AI engineer…

[chrome narwhal]

Ok there’s a DevML Ops exist😓 I only knew DevOps or DevSecOps

[buoyant seal]

well, i can say for sure what Backend dev is.
in 90%+ cases it is working with Rest APIs in json format. 50% of core stuff backend devs needs is usually interacting with Relational databases and writing unit tests for your code
in some small cases, or not API cases, may be using Html,css, regular get,post logic without jsoning, it is just kept still server side.
In some rare bad cases mongodb can be used as main database, but that should be usually avoided 🙈

Backend devs benefit from learning Docker, and working with cloud providers like AWS, GCP, Azure usually

Obviously learning SQL/working with relational db in depth will highly benefit backend dev
as well as learning to unit test your code (like with pytest)

As extra tools, backend dev can work with other database augmentating stuff like Redis/Memcache for caching
RabbitMQ/Redis for message queue stuff
using local filesystem or S3 for file managements
may be using Search engines like ElasticCache

TLDR: Backend dev today is dev writing code for interactions with databases and giving result in form of API/web app^_^
although data could be traversing through other stuff than just web app, through message queue stuff, or other one... so area of surface is not limited to backend apis

[vapid jay]

ehh u just learn Lua I give u example message="hello world" print "hello world"or much short
print "hello world"

[chrome narwhal]

Ah, I see! So, I was almost right, I'm mainly interested in jobs related to backend development.

Yes I just started studying how to use Docker as well, so my study map is not bad so far

[buoyant seal]

We could note here that in 90%+ cases backend devs highly benefit from switching to Linux as dev machine
because backend devs develop stuff for Linux servers

Rare exceptions are ancient mamonths like C# Visual Studio devs, which in its legacy are having stuff directly tied to Windows. (Even C# last 5 years migrated to Linux usage though with .Net core things)
May be some companies are still in Windows Servers (it is a practice from prehistoric times, of more than dozen of years into the past, but still possible)
Every other backend stuff is oriented for Linux first in its usage (for last 10 years at least)

[chrome narwhal]

Woah, that's a treasure trove of information! Thank you so much; it's very motivating to hear 🙂

I guess starting with Python and SQL, then moving on to learning Docker, working with cloud providers, and relational databases would be my goal.

So, I'll start by creating something for my portfolio using Python with a database or API first, and then see which kind of company offers me a job 😅

[chrome narwhal]

ancient mamonths😂

[chrome narwhal]

Thank you so much for today! I will save all your advice and do my best with my studies 🙂 I hope to chat with you again soon, either as a data scientist or a backend engineer. Have a nice day!

[buoyant seal]

then moving on to learning Docker

• can be nice learning in structured way with https://www.amazon.com/Docker-Deep-Dive-Nigel-Poulton/dp/1916585256

relational databases would be my goal.
yeah, some stuff like postgres, or mariadb/mysql to learn at least

So, I'll start by creating something for my portfolio using Python with a database or API first, and then see which kind of company offers me a job 😅
will be nice eventually to read Code comlete 😉

• https://www.amazon.com/Code-Complete-Practical-Handbook-Construction/dp/0735619670

If i could recommend to read only a single book in entire life, that would be this one. It is very all encompasing book covering a lot of aspects of software development. Some of them in more than enough capacity. Some of them is showing only briefly and redirecting to where to learn them further. With this book u will have much clear picture that there is still a lot to learn ahead. It has plenty of recommendations what to read next.

Despite it being written in 2004 year as second edition, it still remains relevant for 98%+ of its text. With reading its material you will learn reusable skills that will remain persistent through your full career. it will help you to write more cleaner, more readable and maintainable code in any programming language. It will help you to understand possible goals in development to aim for, and what you could be missing to code with more efficiency.

and getting hang of unit testing for an average quality

• https://www.amazon.com/Test-Driven-Development-Kent-Beck/dp/0321146530 for head on practical examples
• https://www.amazon.com/Unit-Testing-Principles-Practices-Patterns/dp/1617296279 for theory
  Without unit testing, code can't survive interacting with relational databases, because SQL heavily leaks and not easily validated.
  Also runtime interpreted languages like Python have extra need in unit testing because all stuff is catchable only at runtime that unit tests can provide

[viral fiber]

does anyone know, is it worth doing a cert in python? I am AI graduate, I need career advice, the main languages I learn at university is C and C++ and C#

Python is 'extremely' easy to me, but showing that to employers is a challenge, like what kinda projects can I even build, it seems like everything is done for you when I use this language

[torpid birch]

I bet that anyone here felt lost at some point, i am at that point. I currently am working as a "Network automation specialist" which basically is creating small scripts to help do stuff in the network, change configs, gather and compare data.

That and some easy stuff like similar to that, this is an example i made based on some work i did at the comapany i work for, it's a really early script, https://github.com/joaosousa997/MassiveFirmwareChecker i plan to do something like this with all the projects i ever done but slightly changed for obvious reasons.

The issue is that i don't know what i want to follow, i end up trying to learn something but then moving to something else because i THINK i will prefer. This loop just made me watch multiple tutorials and never actually make significant advances in a field.

I am looking for some advice on how to actually focus on something or just your version of what made you follow what you followed.

I am at this job for 4 years now, 3 as IT specialist and 1 as the so called automation specialist. My goal is to get a better job preferably out of the country but still in Europe.

But everytime i go to linkedin there is pretty much a requirement of 5+ years of experience and a huge amount of frameworks or tools that are required to have knowledge in.

Sorry for the long post, just trying to find some guidance.

[buoyant seal]

Python easiness is actually very... Misleading and graduates can easily screw up python code beyond its recoverability in multiple ways.

recommending heavily investing into unit testing, with stuff like pytest. That makes python code... To work.

• for practical head on
• for theory of best practices

Otherwise for proving u can do python, good idea to make pet projects, including forming little portfolio out of them.

Some pet project guide lines
#career-advice message
And ideas:
https://nedbatchelder.com/text/kindling.html
Second link

[viral fiber]

I have actually done major projects in Python already tbh, mainly robotics and backend development

but its like employers want Pyrhon in AI without specifying what exacltly

[idle sundial]

yall this is a general qs
for some of the experienced people out there but basically I want to learn python cuz I enjoy it and i think it will help me later on and I also want to make money of software development in the future. I have already started with Mosh Hamedani's course and I'm fairly young. I'm at the very beginning like defining functions but what's the best way to go about learning. Do I watch videos on youtube, do I learn different libs, just general things if anyone can help me with so I can start my journey on the right foor

[fringe sphinx]

Keep it simple: don’t worry about learning libraries and new topics, just get good at the fundamentals.

[white relic]

Certificates are of no value in software development. A degree, project portfolio, open source contributions, prior work/internship experience all matter far more.

[idle sundial]

I believe I will be good at the fundamentals after I'm done with mosh hamedani's 6 hr course, but whats the next step? I'm still young and want to know the best path

[fringe sphinx]

I don’t know that ‘course’, a lot of them are fairly incomplete, but:

[buoyant seal]

This book will be the best fit for you at this level.
Make sure to complete all exercises, they do matter
It is the most beginner friendly from functions and further
https://www.amazon.com/Head-First-Python-Brain-Friendly-Guide/dp/1492051292
I hope u are able to read books though

otherwise at your level the most important is parctice.
Here are some ideas what to do
https://codingchallenges.fyi/challenges/intro
https://nedbatchelder.com/text/kindling.html
nice will be to proceed there once u covered Head First

[fringe sphinx]

Review these sites for projects and practice sites: !res

!res

[inner wren]

Resources

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[fringe sphinx]

(And the links above from Darkwind)

[idle sundial]

are these all courses or what?

[fringe sphinx]

But three ways to practice: simple projects (like a calculator or rock paper scissors), practice sites (like exercism or codewars). And hang out in #python-discussion and ask for help when you get stuck

[idle sundial]

i did rock paper scissors, its not that good tho, its only using text

[idle sundial]

thank u

[fringe sphinx]

That’s great, that’s exactly where you should start. Then find something slightly harder (but not too hard). Ask in #python-discussion if you can’t to k of anything

[fringe sphinx]

At some point you’ll probably do a game (pygame-ce, perhaps) or a web app or something else. Don’t worry about what you -should- learn, focus on what you want to learn. It really doesn’t matter as long as you’re coding.

[idle sundial]

https://paste.pythondiscord.com/G3YA

[idle sundial]

ok thank you so much

[fringe sphinx]

Suggest you paste this in a help thread and ask for a code review #❓｜how-to-get-help . You’ll get a lot of ideas

[idle sundial]

I have this course on udemy, it's a little to kiddish I believe, so I just stopped it

[idle sundial]

good idea, i will, thank u

[fringe sphinx]

That’s a good strategy: learn from multiple sources. You’ll pick something new up each time

[idle sundial]

ok (:

[dapper bane]

what is some profitable stuff u can do with python ?

I am currently learning backend django

[viral fiber]

how do you get all this if you are combatting age?

[fringe sphinx]

? Wdym

[viral fiber]

So like I don't have the same money and resources and I am nearly 40, I see a lot of friends especially in SF they do this whole immortality spiel, like transferring brain to robot body, extreme health that sort of thing I dunno how I can compete and find the time to do all those things in my life time now, all the portfolio, open soruce, internship etc... seem like 30 to 40 years minimum in terms of experience, so I will be 80 by the time I get a paid position?

Swear I am not trolling btw lol

[fringe sphinx]

You lost me at brain to robot body.

[vapid jay]

ai development :/

[viral fiber]

I have AI degree, so what specifically haha

[near ocean]

Just build a couple projects, didnt you say you have python figured out?

[vapid jay]

depends on the senario

[fringe sphinx]

Tell us about your background, and we perhaps can give advice. I am older than you, fwiw

[viral fiber]

kinda yeah probably not like high end python, but I mean its interpreted language anyway so I presume theres only so far you can push it

[dapper bane]

I dont know ai I just know backend and a little bit of webscraping

[vapid jay]

examples include automation based systems, security oriented and more public based chatbots

man i sound like a robot :/

[viral fiber]

brb

[fringe sphinx]

That’s just following the herd… you get money by getting a job, and AI jobs are just one small portion of SWE jobs

[viral fiber]

heat just went up where I live... and slow mode makes it hard to answer all different q's so will respond later

[vapid jay]

thats just off the top of my head - i mean i could have said osint tools

not exactly a great way to make money - but you can - not exactly python specific thou

[viral fiber]

osint seems like a good niche tbh with AI

[vapid jay]

what im doing rn