career-advice

[gilded shell]

i used chatgpt all of college i dont know how i graduated

[silk mauve]

You can always try to split the difference and switch to Computer Engienering if your University has it. In my University, CE and EE were paired, and the difference between the two was like 2 classes, the rest was whatever electives you chose

[weary sage]

thanks. i'll find out about this. since im just half way into E.E

[silk mauve]

good luck, and just make absolute sure you're actually into it, because I just finally finished the data analyst portion of my current python course I'm doing today, and it was the most tedious, boring part of the entire course.

[wise pike]

Test

[brisk glacier]

How do I make money with python as a minor

[pine sleet]

you generally don't. unless you're a university student, in which case internships are available to you and are much more common

[brisk glacier]

Aw so this skill is useless then
Useless for my age I mean

[pine sleet]

it's not. Most people's Python skills at that young of an age are not career-ready, just keep working on them and you'll be in a much better position when the time comes

if you need the money food service or retail will most likely be your best option

[brisk glacier]

I’m not exactly old enough to get a job yet

[pine sleet]

then you will most likely not be able to make money off Python anyway. I believe freelance sites like Fiverr actually require you to be legally authorized to work?

[brazen trail]

it's good for you because it helps you learn to think in a new way and get stuff done, which are traits that can serve you well in many future gigs

[brisk glacier]

Yea I think so

[pine sleet]

for now you can just focus on making good grades in school and learning python on the side :)

just have fun with it

[brisk glacier]

Yea I wish my school didn’t suck ass at teaching computer science so I’m having to learn everything myself and probably missing certain parts because there’s no linear path I’m taking, just kind of scattered and learning what I need for certain projects

[brazen trail]

that's a great way to start

[brisk glacier]

Good cause I’ve been doing it for 3 1/2 years 😭

[true harness]

that was my experience in high school as well, and i'm doing ok i think

[brisk glacier]

Yea when the teacher isn’t qualified to teach you anything snd they have barely any experience

[pine sleet]

it is how it is. just treat it like a free 100 and learn stuff on your own time

[brisk glacier]

Yea that works

[pine sleet]

but that's also a good skill since you'll most likely be learning a lot of stuff on your own time in university as well

[true harness]

so true

[silk mauve]

psh, you think you got it bad, back when I was in high school, the only computer class my redneck school had was "Intro to IT" and it was taught by the school's wrestling coach. Every single day was "open to chapter X in the textbook, copy every vocab word from the chapter to a word file, and show me when you're done."

[fringe sphinx]

I'm pretty sure this is true about most schools. At the university level, the classes just lead you to the information, but you have to take the initiative to learn it.

[brisk glacier]

That’s bad 😭

[vital wyvern]

Hello gamers. Looking for some resume feedback.
Mostly targeting InfoSec related roles (SOC Analyst, Threat Intelligence & Incident Response, etc.) I will be adding GCIH to my certificate stack shortly, whereby Google Data Analytics will fall off being the least relevant.

Some pain points: I really like one page resumes, I'd like to keep it to one page, but I'm starting to feel like capturing the full scope of my work experience is becoming difficult. This goes hand in hand with my extreme desire to elaborate on certifications with skills/technologies learned.

[outer rivet]

Hey guys, what's the best site for hosting a personal website to put onto job applications? I'm mostly applying to web dev jobs, so it double's as a work sample.

[pine sleet]

doesn't matter too much. bonus points if it's like AWS or Azure

[brazen trail]

you'll have about 10 years of XP when you graduate and then two pages starts to make sense huh? you can always have a longer version you keep separate too

[vital wyvern]

I have a lot of irrelevant experiences in there as well; I think having an internship (like one of my course graduation requirements) will help to kind of eliminate some of the fluff in work experience without leaving me with 2-3 points per job.

I don't want to say irrelevant; but not infosec related or tangentially related.

[brazen trail]

a lot of times that stuff is good tho because it shows you have breadth as a professional

[vital wyvern]

I would concur if I had experience with fundamental systems found in a lot of jobs (Such as the ELK stack, Splunk, etc.)

Maybe that's a hot take though.

[marsh thistle]

@past flicker We don't allow recruitment or paid work of any kind FYI.

[past flicker]

This is an job opportunity in Oxford University in Data science

I'll keep that in mind

[silk mauve]

I'd say expand as much as you think you need. Just make sure the most important information is on the first page. My resume hasn't been one page for years. If I was ever going to hand it in person at a job fair or something, I'd bring it to one page just for that, but ubiquitiously digital applications, not really necessary to keep it to one page.

Also on "important information first", I'd move education to the bottom, most employers don't really care about much more than whether you have a degree or not.

[true harness]

i disagree on the education ordering. as a current student it's the most relevant portion of your application for internships (assuming that's what they want as a student). especially compared to the (mostly) irrelevant experience

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[silk mauve]

I mean, if you're applying for an internship, then it's even more clear that you're studying? I don't know what you mean by "most relevant", but all 100 students who are applying for that same internship will have that same section with a different name. You want the things that make you stand out first, which is your work experience, skills, and projects. Possibly put projects before even work experience if your work experience isn't relevant to the industry yet.

I mean, if you go to Caltech or MIT, by all means, put it first

[true harness]

the internships i've seen all have it as a requirement, so you're at least confirming that first. it also gives context for the rest of the resume, e.g., what year am i in, what courses have i taken, and so on

[silk mauve]

I can guarantee you no employer has that mindset at all, it's really as simple as "which one has the most familiarity with what they're going to be working with so I can spend the least amount of time hand holding?" which the education section says nothing about. If you took 2 extra minutes to confirm if you actually are a student after impressing them with a good first glance at your resume, it's more than worth it

[true harness]

how can you guarantee that?

[lean hawk]

startups could be different but higher tech companies are usually like that

[silk mauve]

the same bullshit way that is almost never going to be confirmed as many other manufacturers

[true harness]

maybe i should have rephrased. what experience are you basing your claims on?

[silk mauve]

when I interviewed for internships, including the one I accepted, not one asked me to confirm what year, or how far along in my classes I am. They wanted to hear more about my certifications and my experience working in helpdesk.

the only reference to my education I can even remember is a question or two about how I decided I wanted to study Computer Engineering

[true harness]

that's interesting. this year and last year when i was interviewing, i can't remember one interview where i wasn't asked my year. at least one company specifically brought up the fact that they prefer a certain year

[silk mauve]

was it senior? Because that would make sense

but in reality that's only a point further for what I'm saying, some employers do only want senior for that exact same hand holding reasoon. The farther along, the more they're likely to know, but not guarenteed, so if you put you're a junior, and put it at the top of your resume, you're just shooting yourself in the foot

[true harness]

junior and senior, yeah. they want a certain year so they can give return offers

[silk mauve]

if instead you give them a reason to not care about your year at the top, then you don't even have to worry about that bias

[vital wyvern]

Sorry tuned out for a bit.
In my defense, SANS is a pretty recognized institution (in Information Security). A lot of feedback that I've heard from management is that SANS graduates tend to be highly desirable because of the level of certifications they bestow and the prestige around the university.
I don't know if that changes the context at all?

[silk mauve]

so to reword, what you call giving context by having your education info at the top, is instead possibly giving them preconceived notions before reading what you can do. If you're a senior, that's completely fine I suppose, but only hurts you otherwise

[vital wyvern]

All good considerations, I'll definitely keep that in mind moving forward. I don't have a concrete opinion on whether or not I think it's more effective in specific locations in the resume. (So we'll mark it as undecided.)

[true harness]

i've always been asked my year/graduation date in interviews anyway /shrug. i'm not sure the placement actually matters that much

[silk mauve]

I think the most valuable part is the certs, which will be displayed in your cert section anyway. It could be a conversation starter in general, but I'd at least move it under work experience since you already have what seems like a pretty relevant internship, and military is always a +

[vital wyvern]

(It's actually not even a little bit relevant, it's just worded to accentuate specific things I did with the focus on Cybersecurity as opposed to Analysis, but I'll take that as a compliment lol.)

I think I understand the premise you're moving towards, and I think I'm generally in agreement. I may restructure things a bit to highlight certificates and allow skills and education to occur a bit lower.

[silk mauve]

you should see some of the crazy studies around resumes. Things like if you haven't gotten someones attention in the first X seconds, then your chances of not even being considered rise tremendously, etc.

[true harness]

how do you even track and report that? i understand total time for considering a resume, but breaking it down by seconds seems impossible

[silk mauve]

big universities enjoy doing the impossible, but if I had to guess i'd assume it involved asking people to look through resumes and decide on a best candidate, and lots of eye tracking

[true harness]

could you link to one?

[silk mauve]

nop, I'd just google a random one, which then just makes me a middle man at that point

[fringe sphinx]

My screen starts with: most recent job: title and first bullet, and education (degree check)

[true harness]

you look for these pieces regardless of order?

[fringe sphinx]

Usually jobs are first and education bottom. Rem’s resume seems out of order to me.

(But that’s fine, it’s consistent with the Jake’s resume template, I just usually see education towards bottom.

[fringe sphinx]

Basically: I just want to know first - are you a SWE? Are you working as a SWE? Do you have a CS or similar degree?

[silk mauve]

yeah, headline is a workable option. I just think most systems are automated for things like education check these days. Often times the person who is doing those checks also isn't the person who's going to be interviewing you. Either HR, or assistant (maybe a team lead?) under the manager to help him filter, so not as helpful imo. It can come off professional, like a business card intro or something tho, so I'm indifferent aobut them.

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, I’m in small tech now so I tend to do both. And I don’t want recruiters to over screen. When I was in big tech, our in house recruiters were terrible. They’d either over filter or take too long filtering. Perhaps it’s gotten better, but I have very low expectations of recruiters

[silk mauve]

Tru dat, tho most recruiters have made my life easier when I'm the one looking for a job lol

[fringe sphinx]

FWIW, the next things I look for are a few keywords that match tech we use, and something that shows they’re an active learner (someone who loves tech/etc)

[silk mauve]

If you're going to depend on recruiters, wasting precious time on building a good resume is pointless tho, they're still going to just ask how many years do you have with X for everything on the JD

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, i think people try to hard to tell the story of how important their job was but i discount most of that.

(That said, I like rem’s above)

[vital wyvern]

I tried really hard to encompass a lot of crap-- Most of the Air Force bullets are additional duty related, my primary duties are highly specialized and couldn't really ever make their way onto a conventional resume. So I looked at ~8 or so years of military experience and went "Well, what might I be able to apply to skills that show that I've got experience in infosec within that context". I think a common feedback is that my bullets look a little too military performance report-bullety, and they're a little verbose. Which I think I can sympathize with.

I think it's a push-pull. If I keep working on it, I'm confident I can find a healthy balance.

[fringe sphinx]

Why not list your specialty school/etc from Air Force? Definitely one page, you don’t need so many bullets per job: they’re not going to be read (keep them to fill the page out tho). I think carts and education should be adjacent.

[vital wyvern]

Hmm. The USAF doesn't have excellent specialty schools-- and it's largely unrelated.
So while I could put something like ALS (BLC) our "AIT" is only 8 weeks and doesn't confer a lot in the way of relevant skills.
I worked as a Munitions Technician, so this is a major career pivot.

[vital wyvern]

The certs and education being adjacent makes sense to me though, that's a good point.

We don't get a fancy name like that. "Munitions Systems Fundamental Training Course" or something is the official coursename.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, but the course is under a training center, and the training center has a name, right? To be clear, the signal school was the center for -all- commo MOS’s

[vital wyvern]

Yeah that's not quite how a lot of USAF training is laid out.
Our technical training is managed exclusively by individuals within our career field, and has no particular special name.
It's decided by a U&TW (Utilization and Training Workshop) but there's no specific body that designates what we should be trained on, just a collective of E7-E9's getting together once a year to evaluate the relevance of the course material and what they think should change.

[fringe sphinx]

AF is really a bunch of hippies then. 🙂

[vital wyvern]

No argument from me, there's a reason I'm a Mr. now. 😛

[fringe sphinx]

Hmm, but anyway, I think this is something to play up. You also don’t mention your rank. People are impressed by that stuff.

The way you wrote Analytics Manager had me wonder for a sec if you were a GS

[stone viper]

Hello guys, This is yash- Founder at Toplo technology
so we are looking for a small help with our current Trading platform project
Building a MT5 Python & Node.js WebSocket duo, and we're stuck! Anyone navigated this dance before? Need tips, tricks, or just commiserating! DMs open for code chat & gratitude. Let's crack this!

[vital wyvern]

Yeah, I'm not really sure... how to encompass that. Is saying "Technical Sergeant / E-6" remotely relevant? I feel like most people aren't going to understand what... I'm talking about. A big portion of my seperation counciling was spent trying to translate military -> civilian. So they often suggested things like "Middle Manager" "Project Supervisor" etc.

[vapid jay]

i wanna get into cybersec but i have 0 qualifications but i have a lot of knowledge

[fringe sphinx]

Tech Sgt is impressive, tbh. I would certainly list that (don’t need to say e-6, thats lost on ppl)

Analytics Manager - Tech Sgt or something like that.

[vital wyvern]

Yeah that makes sense, I can get behind that. Good call.

[fringe sphinx]

You’ll quickly end up in mgmt, I’m sure.

[vital wyvern]

Maybe we can slow roll that a little bit, not sure I wanna' be managing/supervising anytime soon. 😂

[vital wyvern]

I have some pins in #cybersecurity that might be helpful. Formal education is a very effective path so long as it's from a recognized institution. If you can't float that, credentialing yourself and demonstrating skills is imperative. (The later being the most fundamentally important.)

[fringe sphinx]

If you’re looking to recruit, we don’t do that here. Not in this discord. But if you’re looking for technical help, ask over in #python-discussion ! MT5 might not get a lot of hits in this server tho, but general Python for sure.

[stone viper]

gotcha

[chrome heart]

I wanna be a Unity game dev but my laptop broke 😭

So I can't code

[harsh river]

you can use something like github codespaces or vscode.dev meanwhile

[wet inlet]

Hi all, im curently a helpdesk technicien and would like to evolve to become a Date Engineer. Could someone recommend me a good roadmap pls ?

[vapid jay]

Don't get yourself down you can still learn from open source till your laptop is fixed

[still condor]

unity game dev

vscode

[lucid citrus]

Why is you guys purpose when learning python?

[buoyant seal]

• all i do for my secret end dream: to make minecraft mods 😊
• also nice having improved salary for each learning
• nice to be creator of new tools/things. All i am limited by my imagination and skills
• each new learning improves quality of a code work with (when it is my own). Nice to be having comfort in expressing my imagination.
• nice getting thanks for creating something useful for other people, when your programs acquire audience using them
• also my another end goal is to get enough professionalism in order to be able writing some useful book for other developers. Then i will be kind of immortalized through my work affecting very big audience. Nice to be contributing to the world and leaving something that made world better u know.

[tulip mortar]

Hi. I come from a non-coding background. I'm currently doing a Master's in Urban Planning and I use a lot of GIS for rudimentary spatial analytics. I've recently started learning python to help with my dissertation. It's mostly related to scraping data off real estate websites. I'm finding it challenging remembering the syntax etc, however I think python helps really well with Spatial Analytics. However, with AI etc in the market, can anyone suggest if it's worth it to learn python in 2024 specific to what I do? My only challenge really is to remember the syntaxes because it feels really overwhelming.

[turbid bobcat]

aaaaand I got ghosted, these recruiters that reach out with no intention of responding back after the first message, I'm gonna start flagging them as spam

[barren crater]

unlucky buddy

[turbid bobcat]

it's fine, I view every process as practice for my resume and interview skills

on the bright side, yesterday I got a similar, albeit more realistic opportunity, still SV but this time it explicitly states that it is remote. the person also left a calendly link right in the first message

I think I'm gonna use the calendly thing as a benchmark of who is or who is not a spammer, so I don't waste too much effort on where it's not worth

[barren crater]

honestly bro, just take every opportunity you get, and then cancel it last minute if u have to

otherwise take the win

[turbid bobcat]

yes of course, but some some of them deserve my effort, or at least, more effort, since some are actually trying and being respectful and all

[lucid citrus]

I mean for your career path. Web dev,mobile app,game dev,full-stack,etc...Which one is you?

There are so many path make me confuse

[barren crater]

wait how do u know u got ghosted ? Is it possible they havent reached back yet?

[turbid bobcat]

yes it's possible, it has been 7 days give or take, still within a grace period I think, but there are other signs like placing an onsite contract role in front of me when I clearly state on my profile that I'm based in Europe at the moment. I responded showing interest because I have to give the benefit of the doubt, but addressed these issues right at the start. I think it's reasonable to expect at least a response stating that it won't be possible for x or y reason. i think that a lot of times they just spam a lot of profiles with the hopes of getting applications back, it's literal spam imo

[silk mauve]

that's the state of things, it's very fast paced these days. You get tons of recruiters messaging you, and just as fast they can stop. I don't really expect an answer back, I just keep moving forward and only even start to show any interest if they reach out after the initial chat.

[hearty island]

!rules

[inner wren]

Rules

The rules and guidelines that apply to this community can be found on our rules page. We expect all members of the community to have read and understood these.

[eternal tartan]

what happened?

[near ocean]

you cant advertise whatever this is

[fringe sphinx]

!rule 9 Yes, please don't advertise

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[fringe sphinx]

!rule 6 I meant this one

[inner wren]

Rules

6. Do not post unapproved advertising.

[hearty island]

i'm worried abt UHG, they said they'd lmk by early january but i haven't heard anything

it's been 10 business days, they last emailed me dec 21st

they said this: "I am excited to let you know that you are a top candidate for this role. Due to the holidays, we will have to finalize all offer decisions by early January. If you have an competing offer due soon feel free to make a decision on it."

[buoyant seal]

i could say i am Backend + DevOps guy, but would it be important for you? Not really i think.
Everyone has their own likes what they wish to work with.

[primal vessel]

Guys I got done with ML specialization by Andrew NG and Mathematics for Machine Learning Specialization by deeplearning.ai on coursera as well. What should I do next?

I went on reddit to search and I was confused by various suggestions ranging from CS229 on youtube for deep dive in the course, fast.ai DL course, ISL and ESL, cs231n by stanford or Deep leaning specialization by deeplearning.ai. I would like to stick to a learning path which makes sure that I have no learning gaps and make me job ready

[gritty rivet]

a learning path which makes sure that I have no learning gaps and make me job ready

For ML? You'll want at least an MS if not a PhD

Not saying it's impossible without that, but very far from guaranteed

[primal vessel]

oh ok

[verbal salmon]

What kind of experience did you have before getting into help desk?

[void forge]

How to get a job abroad any geniuses in chat

[void forge]

I just had a+ when I began

[verbal salmon]

Nice and you are working help desk currently?

[void forge]

Nah I'm a international senior cyber but I want to perma move to the east need some help on finding a way

[wet inlet]

I did some arduino at school but no other work experience (exept working in a factory)

[verbal salmon]

Oh wow. How long have you been in the field?

[void forge]

1 year now got 3 years cyber in total and 4 years in tech WBU

[verbal salmon]

Oh okay that’s cool. Check out cyberseek if you haven’t already. It offers a great roadmap for various roles.

There’s another great site for roadmaps. If I find it I’ll send it over

[verbal salmon]

Wow, that’s not long at all. I’m sure it will serve you really well being that you are already in a senior position

[void forge]

Ngl I'm bored AF

That's why I'm looking abroad perma new journey

[frank socket]

my name is rick grimes

[wet inlet]

Thank you

[verbal salmon]

Understandable.

[turbid bobcat]

Yeah I guess I'll have to do a similar strategy. I've had at least one bad experience right on the first call. Recruiter acting so weird and borderline rude.

[pliant wasp]

Guys what electives would you recommend I take if I wanna lean more towards the CS side of the program? And is this program any good?

[deft herald]

What semester you in?

[deft herald]

I guess stick with the yellow electives to go more CS. Really depends on what interests you though, and you can figure this out as you go through the program

[deft herald]

As far as the program itself goes, it looks pretty fun. Good mix of EE and CS.

[peak halo]

the length of these screenshots make them difficult to read. which colors are electives?

[deft herald]

Electives are listed at the bottom. OP gets to choose 5

[pliant wasp]

Yessir

[deft herald]

TBH I whish i would have taken a program like this instead of pure EE. If only for the sake of not taking Thermodynamics

[peak halo]

@pliant wasp do you know what kind of job you want to get?

[pliant wasp]

True true but would you recommend I mix it up a bit or go all CS?

[deft herald]

You're going to be the best judge of that. It all depends on what you want to focus on/what kind of career you want

What semester are you in? Are you just starting?

[pliant wasp]

DevOps seem to interest mei ATM.

[pliant wasp]

Just starting

[peak halo]

then I would take database systems, web technologies, and data communication and networks.

[deft herald]

Do you have any interest in the electronics/EE side?

[pliant wasp]

Yes I do

[deft herald]

Yeah i mean you don't take an elective until your third year. I would wait to decide

[pliant wasp]

Gotcha, thanks! Mainly I'm wondering if the program is fine or should I wait to get into the CS program at another university?

[pliant wasp]

yessirr, the program looks fine tho, right?

[peak halo]

what country is this? and in what country do you plan to seek employment?

[pliant wasp]

A third world country. Hopefully somewhere in Europe.

[deft herald]

Mid east? I see "Islamic Studies" as a required gen ed

[peak halo]

I noticed that also

[pliant wasp]

No, Pakistan

[peak halo]

Perhaps someone who got a degree in South Asia and who now works in Europe can comment. I've never heard of "BSc in Electronics and Computing", but I imagine it would be perceived similarly to a CS degree if the university is good.

[deft herald]

Seems like a Computer Engineering degree to me, or CSE

[silk mauve]

you can always take more classes than necessary, that's what I did, I think the most I did was 23 credits in one semester or something

[deft herald]

I did this, but with PE credits 😄

[silk mauve]

I couldn't decide what I wanted to concentrate in, my school had a real cool CE degree where you choose a concentration or two and the last two years are tons of electives, basically build your degree

[pliant wasp]

Yea the university is pretty good. They are offering this program for the first time tho, before it was just called BS Electronics

[pliant wasp]

They offer CE as well but not in spring:/ I don't understand the difference either lol

[silk mauve]

looks like minimum of 11 electives, I def took a lot more

[pliant wasp]

Damn, how many classes did you take?

[pliant wasp]

Damnn

[silk mauve]

have no idea, but I do know I ended up satisfying concentrations for power/energy, Integrated nano-technology, Computer Architecture & Microprocessor Design, Embedded system software, network & security, and Data System Software

AI, IoT, digital forensics and cyber concentrations didn't exist when I was a student tho

[pliant wasp]

Oh nicee

[silk mauve]

computer architecture stuff was probably my favorite out of everything, just so hard to get a job in, and basically forgot it all by now lmao

[wraith spoke]

Hello, I just started uni for comp sci. So there's a maths stream to this computer science where you have a choice to pick regular maths and honours maths (they carry the same marks), so I chose honours for sem1 and dropped down to regular for sem2. Just so I made the right decision. These are the options for 2nd, 3rd, 4th (4 year course(

You can only pick stream 2 if u did higher maths in 1st year and u have to carry it all the way through if u wanna pick maths options in 4th year

So my question is, did i make the right decision and stick to the computer science side of stuff or do maths. The reason why I am asking is that the optional modules in 4th year doesnt look really appealing (as of now), and take 1 maths module for 4th year

[smoky quest]

can't read, too small

[smoky quest]

thanks!
What kind of job do you want in the future?

[wraith spoke]

Sorry, dont have anything specific in mind

Like are the optional comp sci modules over the years more useful than maths?

[gritty rivet]

What's useful to you depends mostly on you and your goals. A course title tells us nothing.

[brazen island]

The math in the math honours isn't "engineering" math but "pure math" math in year 4. This is something gto really take into account imo.

It honestly depends on what you prefer.

[smoky quest]

Also some random notes:

• I prefer the math stream in the 2nd/3rd years
• I am not clear on the intent of the math stream in the 4th year and how useful or for the sake of it they are. I would also assume the non-math stream would pull in the require math (Ex: cryptography)

[wraith spoke]

Yeah it is pure math, from learning matrices and rotations/transformations from honours maths, i learned how it can be used in game dev to move charachters (i think), i dont think ull learn these in depth in the regular one so now i am concerned

[smoky quest]

in the 4th year, I would expect the topics to be a lot more tangible and applicable as the time for foundational stuff has passed

Like in my last year we did see stuff like wavelets, but that was with the angle of going deeper into compression

[wraith spoke]

Oh right, also would you need that kind of math in computer science generally?

[smoky quest]

it depends on your job and role.
You don't need it for your run of the mill frontend, but the scope and compensation ain't the same either

[wraith spoke]

I see, and where would you need stream 2 in jobs that stream 1 cant provide?

[smoky quest]

It's too long to type, so I will refer you to googling the topics 😉

[wraith spoke]

Alright, thank you for the assistance! 👍

[smoky quest]

But in short, it goes from correcting errors, to compression, to cryptography, to compilers, to verification to AI/ML, to etc.

[wraith spoke]

Ah i see, ty!

[slate sapphire]

hey i’m trying to get more into python, how many hours should i dedicate per day into learning new skills in python (im a school student so i dont have all day)

[peak halo]

an hour or less.

[slate sapphire]

is that it?

i was expecting more

[peak halo]

school is more important. and if you're forcing yourself to spend lots of extra time learning something, you're probably getting a diminishing rate of return.

[slate sapphire]

alright, thanks

[tender sapphire]

whats this channel abt

[peak halo]

this and every other channel has a description that you can refer to.

[tender sapphire]

oh i disnt know that lol

[regal axle]

Time as a measure of days learning is more important than time as a measurement of working minutes. By dedicating a small portion of time, everyday, you will be able to accomplish a ton. Don’t try too hard to be working on it for many hours every day, because then you will hit a roadblock and not be motivated to get past it. But everyone can spare a few minutes. So it’s easier to get around those roadblocks when you don’t try to only learn during large blocks of time (hours a day)

[pine wadi]

I'm currently doing a course in Udemy, does anyone have some issues with the player acting up? I know that this isn't meta but dunno where to ask

[slate sapphire]

i just started doing a udemy course too but i’ve not had any issues

[white relic]

an offtopic channel might be better to ask in, both for topicality and visibility

[high lance]

Going through a Udemy Python course now and found that if I leave the course open and my computer goes to sleep - sometimes it won't resume where I left off. Just need to refresh the page and it works.

[twin mason]

Hey guys im new to using discord, but im learning python

i had a few questions

[pine sleet]

ask them directly

[marble meteor]

where i can learn DSA with python? any content creator recommendation?

[blazing harbor]

you learn DSA with psuedo code

[marble meteor]

why? why not with python?

[twin mason]

I am sure it gets asked a lot, but for some background I'm currently an hvac tech, i have 2 kids and i make an ok living im looking to improve my life with a new skill, is learning python alone financially viable?

[blazing harbor]

honestly if you are trying to learn DSA, I'd recommend you learn an algorithm thoroughly and understand the time complexity (and maybe a derivation of it) and why it works. Then, you should go on LC and find problems with the tag and solve it with python

[twin mason]

im using Udemy 100 days of code with

[blazing harbor]

what kinda improvements do you want?

[pine sleet]

it's possible, but most people in softeng have a CS degree or similar so it's worth looking into if you're planning on a career change

[twin mason]

I've been told the degree rout is best for me

ive got like 23 college credits

was hoping maybe self taught is possible

[blazing harbor]

do you qualify for any minority program

[twin mason]

....does being black count?

[blazing harbor]

https://www.code2040.org/

[twin mason]

nice

[minor sage]

Self taught can be viable, but it can be difficult to actually land your first job without an introduction.

Once you have some professional experience a degree matters less. It's the getting hired in order to get professional experience that's harder.

[twin mason]

what if i had a comptia cert?

[minor sage]

For software probably not all that helpful

[twin mason]

understood

[minor sage]

Having A+ or some such can help prove you have general IT knowledge or specialized knowledge like networking. But it still doesn't speak to programming ability.

[twin mason]

is it possible to gain xp through a helpdesk job?

[minor sage]

Having some open source contributions or demonstration projects can help you break in

[fringe sphinx]

I haven't read the whole thread but: If you want the clearest path to a good job, get the degree. The alternative paths are much harder.

[twin mason]

speaking volumes Bill

[fringe sphinx]

Right now, I don't look at SWE resumes without degrees. Def not for entry positions.

[blazing harbor]

billy would you hire me

[minor sage]

It is a thing people have done, but I'm not sure it's worthwhile to start helpdesk just for the purpose of escaping it.
https://www.salto.io/blog-posts/how-to-move-support-to-a-software-development-role

[fringe sphinx]

Don't know you 🙂

[blazing harbor]

would you hire a grad 2026 for an internship

[fringe sphinx]

(I also don't hire here, and I'm very selective: if you don't live in a ~30 mile radius around me, probably wouldn't even look)

[twin mason]

is an AA degree enough?

[fringe sphinx]

Not really. AA is (IMO) just a milestone on the way to a BS.

[twin mason]

understood

[minor sage]

For junior devel I think it can be.

[twin mason]

this has been insightful

[blazing harbor]

yeah that makes sense, but in theory for an internship

[fringe sphinx]

That said: I know not everyone has the privilege/opportunity to go straight to a BS, and people take different paths, but: a 4 year degree should be your goal... even if you have to do it part time.

[blazing harbor]

let's say I lived 30 miles around you (perfect grades and a 1 yr of swe experience w/ a few projects), but grad 2026

[minor sage]

My partner didn't have much issue getting a junior devel position after a 1 year course. So it can at least get you into the industry.

But a 4 year course will prepare you for much more.

[fringe sphinx]

In my particular case, I wouldn't... only 2025 grads... but I'm in small tech, we don't have room / time for a lot of interns

[twin mason]

chill fam

[fringe sphinx]

Err, sorry, 2026 grad. Yah, that's what we'd be targeting: rising seniors.

[blazing harbor]

no it's all good Billy is chill

[tender perch]

@fringe sphinx 30 miles, so you would visit them or what ?

[twin mason]

sorry im the new guy let me chill

[blazing harbor]

Yeah that's fair. Literally that's what I heard for most jobs except nvidia/ and this other big tech job

[fringe sphinx]

There are a few cases like this that I've heard... like people in the UK getting apprenticeship type roles, and some people breaking into junior positions through connections or just luck. Not saying it's not possible... just that you should keep working towards a degree if you want job mobility.

[blazing harbor]

I have my final round with the other tech job on Friday, and I really hope I get it. Things are tough for a grad 2026 kid 😦

[fringe sphinx]

Good luck!

[minor sage]

I will say that while being purely self taught is viable, it probably will take a lot longer. Since you already have a main job you probably don't want to learn for like, 6+ years before making the career move into software.

[blazing harbor]

yeah I'll know within a couple days after Friday if I get it or not 🤔

[tender perch]

2024 grad here, and I can't find an internship

[minor sage]

I'm entirely self taught, but I started when I was 14. By the time I got my first programming job I had been self taught for a good 7 years. And I knew someone at the company in question who could vouch for me.

[blazing harbor]

shouldn't you be looking for FT?

[fringe sphinx]

That sucks, 2023 was a terrible hiring season. Worst possible time to graduate.

[regal axle]

Time to go back for more degrees 😄

[blazing harbor]

I mean there are tons of CS jobs to be fair.

[regal axle]

No. Not for new grads. They exist. But super rough right now

[tender perch]

Not FT, the graduation internship

[fringe sphinx]

In US, we wouldn't call post-graduation job an internship.

[tender perch]

Not in US

[fringe sphinx]

(well, not normally)

[minor sage]

yeah, it's a fine industry state if you are already at a mid to senior level. But you can't throw a stick in the air without hitting an aspiring entry level devl

[tender perch]

I m graduating in late 2024

[minor sage]

There is a reasonable demand for junior devs, but an even larger supply.

[blazing harbor]

any internship experience or projects?

[tender perch]

@blazing harbor 2 months internship in the past

@blazing harbor everyone has different luck do not worry now 2026 is far, maybe we will get a bounce by then

[blazing harbor]

yeah it's 2 more years

I also had so much trouble with getting an 2026 internship. Most companies I would get a 1-1 meeting, and they would immediately turn me off when I said grad 2026

The only really internships I've progressed with is where I've networked like really hard

[tender perch]

It is too early you should chill

[blazing harbor]

I got in touch with an NVIDIA vp that graduated from my uni, and he got me set up with an nvidia swe internship interview (and that's still going)

[magic zinc]

Do you think having internships in High School will make me more likely to get internships in the future

[blazing harbor]

and this other application, where I got an interview after 20 minutes I submitted the app bc I got in contact with an HR that went to my uni😭

she also fast tracked my interview process and it's a farily big company

[blazing harbor]

it's extremely difficult, but it's definitely possible; I got an internship in high school

small startup but it was work experience!

[magic zinc]

So I'm gonna get screwed in college still. Adulting sounds fun

[blazing harbor]

you're going to be fine

lol my friend got an internship at huawei (also grad 26) with some connections with his parents

[regal axle]

While true. This isn’t important. High school internships are very very rare. It is not an expectation for getting an internship in college. I would instead look for summer programs if you really really wanted to do something with your time. But it isn’t needed

[blazing harbor]

he didn't even have to do an interview 😭

[tender perch]

An advice I would give to find internships quicker is to avoid spreading into multiple programming languages and frameworks to the point you know them all at a basic CRUD-only level or else you cannot show off some interesting projects, that is a mistake I made

[blazing harbor]

honestly I won a few p big hackathons, so I just talk about those projects and it tends to work well

[tender perch]

Yes, contests success probably works well

[blazing harbor]

I took one of the projects and got it sponsored/taken over by one of the water companies

so I just usally talk about that project, and it works! one of the interviewers acc knew the hackathon which is like very helpful

[tender perch]

Great

[blazing harbor]

I do a bit of LC. Honestly sometimes a lot of the mediums take a bit of time to understand

but they aren't too bad; I think a lot of hards are especially difficult though in my experience

[tender perch]

Leetcode hard for an intern position would be overkill so I don't worry about those

[blazing harbor]

how is research viewed btw

[tender perch]

Idk really in US I m not even in the market

[blazing harbor]

wait you require sponsorship?

[tender perch]

Lol I m not seeking us job

[blazing harbor]

could be the issue, but I don't know how the markets are internationally

[tender perch]

When it is harsh in US ,It gets harsh everywhere

[pine wadi]

I refreshed a couple od times doesn’t work, I tried troubleshooting and other browsers but nothing really helped

[vapid jay]

Where is a good place to find freelance python devs for quick writing fairly simple programs just interacting with a library

[harsh river]

fiverr really

[wind cedar]

I heard open source projects look really good for your swe resume, and is one of the things companies like seeing on your resume. Is that true?

Does certificates help with swe resume?

[smoky quest]

contributions to projects are great as they can be used to demonstrate your skills.
Certifications don't have as much value

Note that a CS degree is the path of least resistance and with the most opportunities and compensation

[limber musk]

i want to become a data scientist

is there any time stamp which is needed to pass to become a data scientist

i want to challenge myself

and want to become a data scientist in four months

[blazing harbor]

again CS/math/DS degree would be the path of least resistance, and becoming a data scientist in 4 months is quite unrealistic

[limber musk]

i had math subject till class 12

i know about derivates like stuff...just need review

do is show you my result card?

but i don't have a CS degree

[blazing harbor]

no no need! again, it's probably very unlikely someone will give you a job with less than a year of experience in DS and no degree

[limber musk]

i don't want to do a job right now..that's not my goal..i want to make it myself a open-source..i want to help people at low cost or at no cost..help them visualize their data..i am not in greed of money right now..

[blazing harbor]

then there is no point in trying; I'd recommend you try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7RU6W4hAMI

[wind cedar]

would youb say certificates are more valuable than hackathon awards?

[blazing harbor]

prob not, but it depends on the hackathon award

[wind cedar]

really? are certificates that useless

[blazing harbor]

I mean the US government jobs seem to like certificates, but I don't see many other employers jumping up and down for them

[limber musk]

i have the resources..

[wind cedar]

im talking about SWE jobs at tech companies

[blazing harbor]

they prob dont care unless you are joining like the cert team

[limber musk]

is it really unrealistic to achieve the mastery in four months?

[wind cedar]

its not going to help my resume at all?

[blazing harbor]

look you probably won't achieve the goal of being a data scientist, but who cares just try your best

[blazing harbor]

it will help ofc

[balmy spade]

A black badge from DefCon will get you farther than most certs. Most certs will get you farther than "trust me bro". There's everything in-between as well. So long as your accomplishments on your resume apply to the job in question and you can demostrate them; use them.

[blazing harbor]

but experience with projects in hackathon/job is a lot better

[limber musk]

thanks for the encouragement

[wind cedar]

work experience and project will take up at least 70% of my resume

[blazing harbor]

if you have the free time for certs, and you actually want to learn the content for yourself, go for it

[wind cedar]

they're the most important ofc, but i want to add something that can also help and i figured certificates can help it improve it a little better idk

[limber musk]

can i ask what do you want to achieve?

[wind cedar]

i shouldnt do it for my resume? also would you recommend me to use overleaf for my resume?

[blazing harbor]

me? I'm wanna do a mixture of research and software engineering. I'm submitting my paper to an AI research conference in Greece this month. Maybe I'll get to go to Greece?

[limber musk]

cool..

[blazing harbor]

yeah overleaf is great. If you have the time and money, you can do it for your resume, but don't expect large returns

[wind cedar]

besides work experience/projects, what is another thing i can do to help me pass screens?

[blazing harbor]

networking and meeting ppl so you get referrals (prob one of the most important things)

also if you get an OA, you should know how to solve it very well, and sometimes companies are very unrealistic like 3-4 mediums in 1 hr

don't wanna lose an opportunity bc of your inability to do simple interview questions

[wind cedar]

im saying in terms of resume value

[silk mauve]

wanna get past screens? Try to find recruiters for whatever companies you're applying for on LinkedIn, they basically get you right past the bouncer

[wind cedar]

would past recruiters for intern process count?

[silk mauve]

not sure what you mean, like a recruiter you interacted with for a past internship? If it's 1) the same company, 2) they still work there, then yes, it's definitely a contact at the very least, and they would be more than capable of connecting you to a different recruiter if necessary

[hollow fable]

guys whats wrong with my key 💀

I removed the key

and cleaned it with alcohol

then replaced it with another key but the issue is still there

[wind cedar]

ok ty

[true harness]

isn't overleaf free

[hybrid umbra]

Hello

Please how do i beomce an nlp engineer

[fringe sphinx]

Tell us about yourself? Education/experience?

[blazing harbor]

Yes

[polar sky]

I am Abdul Surey, A devops developer with two years of experience on github action, aws cdk(typescript, python).

[wraith frost]

Hello All, I"m looking for some help on a question or new method to what i am trying to achieve

[zealous goblet]

Sup

[peak halo]

this is the career discussion channel; see #❓｜how-to-get-help

[wraith frost]

oh my bad

[vapid jay]

Hi everyone im learning AI as my specilization i want to ask if i have to learn competitive programming too to be good in my field?

[smoky quest]

competitive programming should be considered as a hobby. It's not really related to a day to day job

[vapid jay]

okay tysm!!

[trim crypt]

To anyone here who managed to find a co-founder/partner to start a business, how did you get started?

[proven crest]

I'll say first up, I have never done this, but I assume you do this with someone you know personally. A friend, colleague or class mate. You both need to be very on board with the idea and willing to sacrifice time and money.

[vapid jay]

But it develops your skillset for day to day life job at abnormal rate ngl

[smoky quest]

not as much as projects.
competitive programming is pretty mid for a career

[vapid jay]

oh well, i literally forgot the part of projects, yeah doing projects is, like, something incomparable

[somber holly]

would you guys mind taking a look at my repo? Im trying to get a new job and thought this would be a nice, not so much work repo for starters:
https://github.com/GellertPalfi/CS229-ML-algorithms-from-scratch

[regal bolt]

Hi

[fringe sphinx]

This is classic click bait. He builds up this idea that "tech youtubers are out of touch" and "project and portfolios aren't important"... and then second half is bland / content free: "Projects and portfolios are supplements" and "Recruiters are non-technical gatekeepers". And then lands on the usual advice: have a degree, have a portfolio, network.

[white relic]

noone went through my github code
why do so many people believe that tech recruiters and hiring managers are spending their days digging through applicant github projects

I feel that he's exploding misconceptions that I personally don't have, but if you've been immersed in whatever bizarre youtube subculture is teaching young people that degrees are worthless and whatever other nonsense we see in here regularly, the video might well be a good wakeup call.

I agree it's a little clickbaity but that's the youtube game.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I genuinely think second half the video is great / spot on. It just doesn't match the intro.

2023 was particularly bad. Consider it an anomaly. Bad years happen every 10 years or so.

I say this a lot: There are many jobs in tech. Degree or not: step 1 is to get your foot in the door. Support, QA, etc all have lower barriers to entry... everyone is trying to land a SWE job directly. And, networking: never have lunch alone and all that.

[maiden plinth]

hi i have a question i know how to code using luau for games and i wanna learn python is it kinda the same or no? like can i save data using a script or smth like that or is it tottaly diffrent

[peak halo]

you're asking if python is similar to lua? Python is mostly used for 2D games using either pygame[-ce] or arcade

[maiden plinth]

not lua luau its ina game engine so i think it would be kinda diffreny

i heard that you need to host stuff and shi like that

[minor sage]

You can do anything in Python you can do in most other languages

A language that couldn't save data would probably not be very useful for almost any application at all

[safe coral]

@lament token CS and DS majors had a bubble problem and it just burst

just like the dot.com era... Too many graduates not many talents

Im a victim of the bubble problem myself

[lament token]

There is still a shortage of computational physics people

[safe coral]

thats different tho. Its not CS

[lament token]

But that actually takes skill, advanced mathematics, not boot camp bros

[safe coral]

thats why I dont recommend anyone to major in CS or DS anymore. Its waste of money. There are better degrees out there

Like Robotics, Aerospace

[lament token]

So what do you recommend? I'm graduating in Aerospace this spring.

[safe coral]

thats a great major. Good job

[lament token]

But I joined it because I genuinely really love the topic, not because I was chasing bank

Now I do computational physics. Mainly fluid/gas dynamics

[silk mauve]

I mean, almost all JDs I'm seeing still ask for CS specifically

[lament token]

JDs?

[silk mauve]

Job descriptions

[vapid jay]

new degree bubble IMO (I say it because everyone is doing it in my very, very non-tech oriented hometown)

also everyone wants to be Elon Musk with Space X

[lament token]

Which one? CS or Aerospace

[vapid jay]

aerospace. CS is the old bubble haha

[lament token]

Aerospace is war dependent. War isn't going out of style anytime soon. Plus the space industry is rapidly expanding.

[silk mauve]

I went the not as common, but still great computer engineering, think it sticks out a bit more but still very broad lolz

[safe coral]

CS is not a great degree either...https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2023/09/computer-science-degree-value-generative-ai-age/675452/

[white relic]

I didn't major in CS, but I don't agree with that

[lament token]

If AI can steal your job, you didn't have a real job. You were a code monkey

[white relic]

this is just fearmongering

[silk mauve]

100%

[safe coral]

Why? My friends company fired half of their SWE and focused on AI with the remaining @white relic

[lament token]

They fired the half that were code monkeys

[gray hamlet]

I am into data science and i need a project partner, who is interested pls dm 🙂

[deft herald]

If anything, CS isn't as safe as it used to be because other humans are taking the jobs. Not AI

[silk mauve]

Probably the most detrimental thing is your posting that nonsense in front of a bunch of beginners than AI itself

[safe coral]

https://targetjobs.co.uk/careers-advice/information-technology/why-your-computer-science-degree-wont-get-you-it-job

see high unemployment rate...

[silk mauve]

Okay, you're just showing that not only one news company benefits from fear mongering

[white relic]

most of tech has gone through a bubble. not just SWE jobs. It's been hard for everybody. But blaming it on AI and saying CS is no longer a good degree is just a dramatic overreaction

[silk mauve]

Employment rate is down for every sector, it's because of the economy, not AI

[true harness]

are you reading these? no one says that just having a CS degree will get you a job. that's never been the case

[safe coral]

https://www.businessinsider.com/not-need-computer-science-degree-work-tech-ibm-ai-chief-2024-1

creative thought proccess will become much more important

[vapid jay]

yes, but the qustion is the amount of demand vs supply. I think perhaps there are too many aerospace engineer students

[silk mauve]

Welp, I'm bored of saying the same thing over and over now lmao

[near ocean]

Linking a couple doomer articles isnt helpful

[vapid jay]

tbf, there have been times when that more or less has been the case, from what seasoned programmers say

[white relic]

IBM's global managing partner for generative AI, Matthew Candy, told Fortune that AI would make it much easier for people without technical skills to build products

how much you want to bet IBM still hires people with CS degrees at a much higher rate than HS graduates?

[smoky quest]

somehow, people have a hard time understanding things that go against their paycheck

[safe coral]

https://apicciano.commons.gc.cuny.edu/2023/12/21/aneesh-raman-the-shelf-life-of-a-college-degree-is-shrinking-pretty-dramatically-in-the-age-of-ai/

there you go vice president of LinkedIn

[near ocean]

This linkedin?

Please stop spamming opinion articles

[safe coral]

these are the head of companies tho

[near ocean]

Its very obvious these are not their practices

[silk mauve]

linkedin article has almost nothign to do with AI

[safe coral]

I have a BS degree and I still have no job

[near ocean]

Maybe you should do some introspection instead of trying to blame anything else

[safe coral]

I have 3 BS degrees

[silk mauve]

the value of a degree has been eroding, albeit incredibly slowly, way before AI was a thing

[smoky quest]

one of them, and in an outreach/marketing department. Not in tech

[safe coral]

why should I blame myself? Im extremely skilled

[near ocean]

Says who?

[safe coral]

its not my fault

[true harness]

simply having a degree does not guarantee anything

[silk mauve]

I was just let go for the second time in my fairly short career

and I'm going to have a job again in one, two weeks tops. There's nothing short in IT

[near ocean]

You have 3 degrees but cant convince someone to pay you, why dont you think theres room for personal improvement
Very conceited imho

[safe coral]

lol I have been applying for 8 months

[deft herald]

And tbh, this is the sort of attitude that will guarantee you never get one

[silk mauve]

comparatively from like 2 years ago? Sure, but there's still a ton of unfilled jobs

[safe coral]

its not my fault that Im 35

ageism is horrible in this country. Ive been told I was simply too old for a position

[silk mauve]

no one has asked me my age, so I have no idea what yours has to do with anything

[near ocean]

If age is so important you could have stopped at the 1 degree and entered the industry
Why didnt you

[silk mauve]

(not even sure what country you're in, so hard to have this conversation)

[safe coral]

When you change careers, age becomes important

it was different back then @near ocean

back in 2006

[silk mauve]

35 isn't even old?... and by that age you have experience on your side. I can see you having a lot of trouble if you are transitioning from a completely different field

[true harness]

why is it always your age, the market, or AI, and not your skills?

[near ocean]

Is it dowcet that recently had a career change in his 40s?

[silk mauve]

it might not even be your skills but more how you present them

[smoky quest]

I have seen quite a few folks above 35 being hired after changing career

[true harness]

iirc yeah

[silk mauve]

and when someone says your skills, they're not only talking about hard skills

[near ocean]

Maybe if @gritty rivet says it you'll finally realize its not your age

[silk mauve]

wake the boomers from their naps!

ah, must be time for their pills then 🤔

[gritty rivet]

What country?

I'm in the US and it's true as others said I got my first dev job in my 40s. Not once have I ever felt my age to be against me. Having other professional experience is valued. My team lead is half my age and nobody cares.

If you're having trouble and live in North America or similar places, I'm confident age is not the issue at all. And even if it is there's no point complaining: focus on what you can address not what you can't

[safe coral]

I dunno. half of the recruiters literally told me that it would be hard to penetrate into a new area due to my age @gritty rivet

considering my lack of experience in the related field

[silk mauve]

WHY do recruiters know your age?

[safe coral]

they see my resume? so they can guess?

[silk mauve]

I have not been asked my age, if there's ANY hesitation from any recruiters, it's just slightly under the years of experience needed

[gritty rivet]

Then it's a resume issue

[safe coral]

I mean I got my undergrad in 2006 guess the age?

I shouldnt mention the years I worked and the year I graduated ona resume

[gritty rivet]

You said you have three degrees, are you putting them all? You don't need to

[silk mauve]

is that your latest degree? You said you had three, if one is incredibly relavant, and the other two aren't, I wouldn't even add them to my resume

[slender saffron]

I can't talk

[safe coral]

job experience for me starts at 2006

[gritty rivet]

You also don't need to show all that on your resume. I sure don't

[safe coral]

I dont want to lie

once they see me on the camera, they will realize Im old anyway

[smoky quest]

it doesn't matter. Recruiters talking about your age is a sign you aren't talking to professionals because they don't realize how they open themselves to be sued

[gritty rivet]

It's not a lie. There is no rule that says you have to put irrelevant things on your resume

[safe coral]

did you have any experience in coding before your first job @gritty rivet

[neat egret]

Hi. Are FAANG jobs overrated?

[deft herald]

🤔 I'm also 35. I graduated high school in 2006...

[safe coral]

well I have to cuz I have no relevant experience @vapid jay

[gritty rivet]

Well obviously I knew how to code, but no, I'm still in my first dev role

[deft herald]

yes

[safe coral]

well your situation is different then

[deft herald]

But it sounds like you were already predisposed to that answer 😄

[safe coral]

I didnt work in any tech setting before just graduated from Data Science and Cybersecurity (double major)

[gritty rivet]

I don't know what that means, but if you're looking for helpful advice at this point you should probably share anonymized screenshots of your resume

[safe coral]

I mean did you work in IT and any other tech related fields before your first dev job @gritty rivet

[neat egret]

I think microsoft totally belongs in the acronym somewhere, they are very cool, what it openai, azure, vscode and stuff. Maybe MAFANG

[deft herald]

I think the title "FAANG" anymore just means "big tech company"

I doubt Netflix is as relevant as it was when the acronym was created

[gritty rivet]

Yes, and it helped. But I don't see how it's relevant.

[safe coral]

I mean if I put cashier in my resume

for tech a position 🥲

[gritty rivet]

It may or may not be a bad idea, it depends on the overall package. Is that your most recent work experience, how long have you been there, etc.

[safe coral]

I did cashier, parking attendant and front desk

data sciencetist

[deft herald]

When specifically did you obtain these degrees?

[safe coral]

8 months ago

[deft herald]

Are you applying to new grad positions? You should be eligible for those

[gritty rivet]

But you have more relevant work experience in the distant past, or no?

If no,.easy, just put the most recent position or two

[safe coral]

I have none @gritty rivet

no I havent @vapid jay

[gritty rivet]

Ok, so your resume should look like that of any normal recent graduate

By normal I mean you have no reason to show in your resume that you're older

[gritty rivet]

You should get resume feedback from actual data scientists. I would expect you may need to aim for analyst positions first given that you have no relevant professional experience

[safe coral]

Im gonna show you my resume

actually I have related experience... but most positions I worked were temporary

I do front desk at my current job mostly (The Marriott one) but I also do business analysis

I need to update my resume cuz Im starting masters degree in Comp Sci in a week @gritty rivet

what do you think @vapid jay

[near ocean]

Why are you doing yet another degree

[safe coral]

its masters degree

[near ocean]

Its still a degree, it'll set you back money and 2 years and it doesnt really count as experience

[silk mauve]

you're... including a degree in linguistics from 2006?

[safe coral]

well unfortunately DS jobs require masters these days

[near ocean]

Have you considered that thats why youre not getting calls back?

[safe coral]

yeah thats why Im doing masters now in CS

[near ocean]

So its not your age then

[silk mauve]

depends on the field/company, can count up to 2 years of experience, defense contractors like to look at it that way

[safe coral]

Comcast recruiter was not satisfied with my age @near ocean

[near ocean]

Im not a DS but seeing as they often require advanced degrees i wouldnt count on an employer treating it as work exp

[deft herald]

Like, they literally told you "i'm not satisfied with your age. Sorry"?

[safe coral]

They said I was too old to start an entry level position

[near ocean]

Ok so thats one guy, who else mentioned your age

[safe coral]

and that they were looking for someone younger who can get experience

[silk mauve]

I dunno about DS specifically, haven't really looked into it, but it would be very different from the rest of the field. I don't think I've see anything really demand a masters degree

but it definitely gets you noticed, it's basically the edge that got me my first senior job over the other applicants

got my masters paid for by my company, it was also accelerated so 10 months degree, got a 2 years worth of "experience" in 10 months, and the paper which was nice, then immediately left for a senior position, since they just promoted me to mid only a few months before lmao

[near ocean]

Are you saying all of this because of literally one guy?

[silk mauve]

in 8 months

[fringe sphinx]

!warn 325142973245554688 really? You've been warned before.

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied warning to @vapid jay.

[gritty rivet]

I would consider getting a lawyer as that seems blatantly illegal

[safe coral]

Im excited for my masters

its gonna be in CS with AI specialization @silk mauve @gritty rivet

Im hoping to work in generative AI positions

[vapid jay]

why? No need for the warning. Very unnecessary

[unique carbon]

Guys, do you think that for ppl with other technical backgrounds outside of IT (other fields of engineering) do soft dev experience count more than data analytics? Or is it the other way around?

[fringe sphinx]

I'm biased (as a DE) but: data analytics is applicable in every technical field. SW dev is helpful, but not as much as being able to understand, reason and manipulate data.

[gritty rivet]

Count for what?

[unique carbon]

Career opportunities

[gritty rivet]

It probably depends on which opportunities

[unique carbon]

I had the same idea, but I'm not so sure after working in consulting. The data is often poor quality, and companies aren't willing to invest the money and effort needed to fix it. It might be very different in fields where IT is the main business, but I see it being extremely undervalued in other industries. I have talked to people in the industry about mapping variability across the production chain to identify which processes are increasing unpredictability, so that we can know where to invest and where control is lacking. Not a single person was interested.

[safe coral]

Im hoping my masters in CS will help me @fringe sphinx

[fringe sphinx]

Me too!

[safe coral]

otherwise I will just poof 😢

[fringe sphinx]

But: you need to write a lot of code for it to come together. Beyond coursework

[safe coral]

same here

[white relic]

I mean... that seems like a very broad generalization to me.
data analysis and software dev are both parts of my job (novel electronics research). just because you found that some people aren't interested in analyzing data, or some data is hard to analyze, doesn't mean you should write off the whole discipline.

[true harness]

at least federally, it's not illegal unless you're over 39. but it's absolutely terrible to bring up age at all, unless it's something like "are you a minor"

[safe coral]

I will be flipping burgers too @vapid jay with you

[true harness]

burgers are overrated, roll burritos instead

[unique carbon]

In my home market, there is a large unemployed population, so people just disqualify you for any reason they can find. Here, not just studies, but even doing research in uni is not seen as actual work experience. I don't know where you are from but from my experience, companies like to see people with relevant companies or at relevant gov orgs. Masters here are more like a + than a gamechanger

[white relic]

even doing research in uni is not seen as actual work experience
unless the job you're applying for is literally research, it isn't

[unique carbon]

My whole point is that even if you can solve a large business problem with software or with data analytics, the people in traditional industries often don't seem interested at all. Things like an app or an website are at least easier to get people interested in

[white relic]

I think it just depends on where you're looking tbh

I worked at a company before that was not interested in doing materials research in a particular direction. My current company is doing that kind of research.

[fringe sphinx]

This hasn't been my experience. I haven't worked for or seen a company where data analytics isn't top-of-mind. And I have a pretty good sample set.

[white relic]

it sounds like maybe you're trying to sell people things they don't think they need, which is 90% of consulting, but not really a part of my job

[unique carbon]

I'm just staff so I don't sell anything, I was just looking for topics to do side projects, but I get your point. Mine is that, when looking for topics related to data analytics to see what they think that would be helpful, they just don't show any interest

[harsh river]

well are you?

[gaunt mason]

Hey!
Imagine crafting tailored CVs effortlessly and sending out multiple job applications in a click to improve your job research process. Interested? Reply with "Yes" or "No." and give us your opinion.

[ivory sluice]

this reads like an advertisement. do you have anything else to add?

[gaunt mason]

No, exactly because it is not an adv.

It is only a question, no program or anything similar to offer

[near ocean]

How would you respond if someone replied with yes?

[gaunt mason]

In this way: "Why?"

And for who replied "no", I would reply with "Why?"

[near ocean]

Thats not a very good product pitch

[gaunt mason]

Because it is not a product pitch

[near ocean]

Why are you asking then?

[gaunt mason]

Can I ask a question or is it illegal?

Damn you guys should have some s*x to relax a bit.

[near ocean]

Just wondering, if you have no product whats the purpose of asking whether people want tailored CVs effortlessly

[gaunt mason]

Job research strategies.

[ivory sluice]

it's not illegal but it is a pointed leading question which makes me suspect you'll dm responders with some pitch.

if your question is genuine, no one would genuinely respond "no."

[ivory sluice]

keep it appropriate

[near ocean]

What does that mean? How would you use this to strategize

[gaunt mason]

You are suspecting, admin. No real proof.

[ivory sluice]

hence my asking

[gaunt mason]

and I replied. With all the due respect, I didn't contact anyone in DM and I won't.

[gaunt mason]

No, it is like a survey. Simply asking your opinions on these strategies. if someone already used some of them, not additional "suspicious" things.

[near ocean]

You cant craft tailored CVs effortlessly, thats kind of an oxymoron

[gaunt mason]

Why?

[near ocean]

Because of the meaning of the words "tailored" and "effortlessly"?

[gaunt mason]

with AI, the things could coincide or not?

[near ocean]

Tailored CVs take more effort than generic template type CVs
Even with AI, someone has to put in the effort to feed the prompt info about the job, company, etc

[gaunt mason]

Explain me better

[near ocean]

I think its very clear that something tailormade is more effort than something generic

[gaunt mason]

yes, for sure. but why you think it is not doable by AI?

[near ocean]

I think its more effort to try to guide the AI to what you want it to output than actually writing a custom CV yourself

[sterile wyvern]

It's doable, but for one, we can do it ourselves (in Chatgtp or manually), and for two it's likely to make a lot of mistakes

[near ocean]

I think its probably faster to just tailor the CV by hand than feed gippity info about yourself and the job and get it to spit out something that reads like a human wrote it

[fringe sphinx]

Having watched my son try to use GPT for his college essays: it was perhaps helpful at giving him ideas, but nowhere near good enough for a ‘good’ essay. I imagine same is true for CV’s

[summer roost]

CVs are fundamentally ads. Why would AI be better at making a good ad for my services than I am?

[sterile wyvern]

And any discovered 'slips' are bound to lower your chances

[gaunt mason]

thanks for your feedback guys

[near ocean]

As for the "one click to multiple jobs" thing, that sounds against ToS of whatever service youre using

It might help, it might not 🤷

[gaunt mason]

got it.

[sterile wyvern]

So... anyone ever heard of 42? It's a coding school, but it's pretty much self-learning and with peer-reviews. I'm currently done with day 2 of a four week intense bootcamp and I'm already wanting to quit since we're kind of expected to work around 8 hours daily for all the time we're there including weekends, although those are 'voluntary'. If we get through we officially 'join' 42 and it kind of boasts a 100% employment rate since it's free and the ones who invested want the people who graduate from this school. Thing is I'm not liking it all that much, but there's talk that it gets better after the first few days. Thoughts? I've convinced myself to try another day, and I know it might be a good opportunity, but like only a third or so, apparently get's 'accepted' after the bootcamp and I do have plans to go to uni in two months so I'm unsure how helpful it would actually be.

The 42 program is pretty much a task-list which we have to complete, but we're allowed to go 'on our own tempo' and there's no real pressure for us to complete everything, although we do apparently have exams each week. Problem is, it's self-learning where we have to find everything ourselves including how and where to learn stuff, and we can talk with each other, but we're not allowed to copy from each other, in addition we (the students) are the ones who'll have to correct each other.

It's a back and forth for me, on one hand it's a great opportunity, on the other hand it's a lot of stress in a time where I'd otherwise have nothing to do, on one hand I feel like I'm wasting my time since there's many periods where I'm just stuck and don't really know how to continue, I did ask my peers, and it did help, but this repeats itself for each task where I'm totally lost and have to keep digging for some code that is difficult to parse. It seems to me like I could learn more efficiently at home.

Tl;dr: I'm in a free coding bootcamp (Shell+C), it has opportunities, but is intense and kinda sucks.

[fringe sphinx]

Anytime I hear ‘guarantees employment’, I assume it’s a predatory scam.

But, the two questions are: 1, did you sign a contract or commit to something?

2. Are you learning?

[sterile wyvern]

Oh, it isn't. At least not afaik. Its like 6 months internship and then job opportunities? There's this test which is apparently equal to a backelors expertise

[fringe sphinx]

If you don’t think you’re learning well, then a good question is: what’s a better way to learn? What are you trying to learn?

[sterile wyvern]

1.Nah 2. Kinda? It's self-learning so obviously I've learned a bit, but it's on Linux which I've never used and I'd say I haven't learned all that much considering how much time I've spent there. Should be around 10 hours already and only have a few commands to show for it.

[sterile wyvern]

I've got a Python Crash Course, and was thinking of going through it, but wasn'T motivated to do so. I was thinking that I quit the bootcamp and use the time to learn that instead.

[fringe sphinx]

I am very anti-structured learning for basic programming and computing. A lot of what you need to learn is hands on experimentation: trying to do things, getting stuck, figuring it out, etc. lots of projects, not a lot of linear learning

[gritty rivet]

One way to evaluate anything like this is to look at LinkedIn profiles. If people like yourself have succeeded with a given program, they will be easy to find. If not, red flag.

And if you find those people, you talk to them.

[fringe sphinx]

But 10 hours isn’t much: you’re brand new. You should get stuck. You should have to google a lot (but not gpt). Etc. anything that gets you off your couch/gaming/whatever is helpful

[sterile wyvern]

The problem is, it isn't atypical learning, it feels like I'm not learning much of anything at all. Like I don't even have the knowledge to get stuck at something

[sterile wyvern]

It's a new program in our country, though it does have established itself in France

[fringe sphinx]

You could ask a diff question: what do we recommend for a absolute beginner

[sterile wyvern]

What do you recommend?

[fringe sphinx]

Glad you asked 🙂

[fringe sphinx]

!resources has lots of links. A byte of Python and automate the boring stuff are the most popular intro to Python programming. Easy, clear, short. There’s also some YouTube channels like Corey Schaffer. And, if you want a structured course; CS50p from Harvard (free). .

[inner wren]

Resources

The Resources page on our website contains a list of hand-selected learning resources that we regularly recommend to both beginners and experts.

[fringe sphinx]

Programming requires a little learning and a lot of practice.

[sterile wyvern]

Would you recommend Python Crash Course? Or should I use another book?

[fringe sphinx]

I have no opinion on that book. Nor am I saying your program is bad (I agree with Dowcet)

[sterile wyvern]

It isn't bad. I just don't think it's for me. At it's heart it's pretty much four weeks of nonstop programming. I don't want that kind of pressure, even if it is partly voluntary

Thanks for the help!

[fringe sphinx]

That’s brutal anyway, intro to programming is a 4 month college course, and that’s fast for some students

[sterile wyvern]

Yeah, and when I looked it up, there were even comments that past iterations of it said 12 hours daily

[fringe sphinx]

Better to spread it out and not burn yourself out, grab one of those books, and when you get stuck, ask for help in #python-discussion

[fringe sphinx]

That’s a big NOPE from me

[sterile wyvern]

Yeah, furthermore each group of tasks needs to be evaluated twice, and then lastly by an automated program to make sure everything is in the clear. It also has options to report cheating if it's caught that the submitter doesn't understand what they've written or if they copied stuff from sides. It's to make sure they understand everything, but even then, it pretty much means we'd have to completely understand what it is and how to solve those tasks through self-learning. It's way too hands-off for me.

[fringe sphinx]

For real, spend a month in #python-discussion , you’ll learn a lot from other people.

Briefly reading Reddit articles, it seems 42 is somewhat legit in France and Paris area, perhaps might be useful. Worth researching

https://www.reddit.com/r/learnprogramming/comments/143ar7w/42_coding_schools_for_someone_who_just_got_out_of/

[sterile wyvern]

https://42.fr/en/homepage/ Yeah, they are legit. And they are an opportunity, but in the worst case scenario I can simply retry next year.

[fringe sphinx]

If it were me: I’d spend the year practicing coding and learning fundamentals, and crush it next pass. It sounds like a very tough program for an absolute novice

[smoky quest]

I would consider it like a fancy bootcamp

[full flicker]

Excuse me. I have a documented iq of 85 and im 22 still studying liberal arts. Is it possible for me to succeed in computer science ? I have inattentive ADHD and have been a dimwit my whole life but the money is so good in CS

I passed college algebra with an A, that’s got to mean something right?

[lucid vapor]

IQ means absolutely nothing meaningful; don't let that bring you down

[true harness]

it's probably possible. though most people will caution getting into CS (anything really) just for money

[buoyant seal]

Everyone starts with barely being able to code few lines.
Coding is not natural for human brain 🧠
Mind needs to be broken and adapted for its comprehension.
Which is done with just practice.
Than more u practice, then more u will be able to keep code in mind and navigate

[dusky oar]

that is so true^

[full flicker]

Are you guys coding on regular PCs or a quantum computer

[dusky oar]

i'm learning now taking it by chunks and going with the flow

[full flicker]

Thank you this means so much rn

[full flicker]

Thank you.

Could you guys quickly give me an aptitude test to see if I’m capable. Just throw out any questions but it needs to be multiple choice

[pine sleet]

it's difficult to determine aptitude based off just one question

[full flicker]

I know that 1 means on and 0 means off and it’s sequence for on and off. That’s what the display on the screen is right? I don’t understand the mechanics fully behind computers. I know the history like analogs but even that is complicated for my dim witted brain

[true harness]

this isn't very relevant for #career-advice

[full flicker]

My cousin is Asian and I’m part Asian. My mom always patronizes me by bragging about how he’s working for Google now. I’m tired of being a failure and joining this discord is a last ditch effort to not kill myself and learn an actual skill in life

[pine sleet]

I'm not sure what race has to do with this, but anyway. Are you looking for advice on pivoting into the CS career field?

[full flicker]

Yes. can you list the courses that are most helpful or should I buy boot camp programs to learn

[pine sleet]

What's your previous work experience? Education?

[full flicker]

Can you teach me actually. Pls I’ll pay someone here to teach me to code

[true harness]

that is the job of educational institutions, not discord

[buoyant seal]

The most important quality for programming is to have technical inclination/intuition to seeking tech solutions

• like if u can reinstall your PC OS, highly likely u already pass
• if u did some activity like video editing, probably u pass too

And there is need for stubbornness to keep going until solution is found (taking breaks is fine). It could take multiple days for single error to solve.

• u really need to believe u can solve tech problems. Your faith and... Somewhat arrogance... Keeps u going. U just refuse to believe u will not be able solving a problem, u refuse to give up until root reasons to problems are found.

[full flicker]

2nd year college , I’ve been a server and bartender and lifeguard bro . See how qualified I am? 🥹

[pine sleet]

What degree are you working towards?

[full flicker]

Yes I’ve made countless movie projects on premiere and worked a little in photoshop. I’ve installed League of legends too :). I can install Firefox

[full flicker]

liberal arts currently

[buoyant seal]

Good. Looks like having those qualities then

[full flicker]

But I’ve taken a bunch of stem courses that aren’t relevant to my major like Chen 1,2 bio micro bio ap1 and 2

[true harness]

"liberal arts" is not a specific thing . isn't CS a liberal art?

[full flicker]

No technological courses tho

[dusky oar]

currently working fulltime and halfway done with my IT degree. I want to do programming on the side and possibly get another degree in CS. Any tips with transitioning over to programming and doing side jobs? Thinking of switching careers and want to start out small and work my way up towards bigger projects. Currently learning python and following along with the Python crash course book. THANKS!

[pine sleet]

Ok. It's normal for college students to change their mind about what they want to do, your university most likely has systems in place to accommodate degree changes. Contact your academic advisors for more pertinent information on that.
The majority of people in the softeng field have a CS or adjacent degree, so it's almost a baseline and you'll want that.
You'll also want to do some projects in the meanwhile (these can go on the resume) and hunt for internships (likewise will go on the resume)

[full flicker]

They told me to just stick to my major but my professors passed me with a C because I believe they feel bad for me and know I won’t make it any further especially through any graduate programs

[white relic]

Where do you live?
Can't imagine any Western university telling a second year student who wants to change major to suck it up and finish

[crisp stream]

!cban 1140219739671625860 1w Low-effort spam

[inner wren]

:incoming_envelope: :ok_hand: applied ban to @ornate steppe until <t:1705491866:f> (7 days).

[fringe sphinx]

If you’ve made movies and can figure out movie editing, you can figure out coding. If you want to learn coding, it’ll (usually) take a few months to get through the basics at a reasonable pace. Not a huge commitment, just regular practice and learning.

[turbid bobcat]

Read about the Flyn effect, IQ just tests how good you are at passing the IQ test, the true test of intelligence is real world impact, and you won't know that until you get yourself out there.

[white relic]

I can think of plenty of people who have had tremendous real world impact but who are not what I would call intelligent.

IQ tests aren't great, but real world impact and intelligence are pretty different qualities

[turbid bobcat]

I disagree, an IQ test is a constrained and somewhat unnatural environment, whereas the real world is a multitude of unpredictable challenges that require you to adapt and use your skills creatively. If someone does well, and it's because of their actions and work, they're intelligent.

I think quantifying a complex phenomena like intelligence, which we do not fully understand, into a single scalar number is extremely misguided and harmful. Some things can't be modelled using first grade arithmetics, they can only be measured in their wider context. At least that's my opinion, it's based on my observation of seeing other people and myself ofc grow over time.

[white relic]

The problem I have with that is that it characterizes people who don't do well (according to whatever arbitrary success metric), despite their best efforts, as unintelligent.

[turbid bobcat]

My view is that intelligence is not static, if someone sets an objective and is unable to achieve it, and the failure was not due to random chance, it means they do not possess the cognitive capacity/skills to achieve it and must work on themselves to improve them via education, health, hard work and persistence.

[fringe sphinx]

I'm confused by this thread, because it seems like you both are agreeing?

And, I think it's accepted in cognitive science that intelligence is multi-faceted, and not a scalar.

For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automated_Neuropsychological_Assessment_Metrics#:~:text=Automated Neuropsychological Assessment Metrics (ANAM,variety of applications and settings.

[white relic]

It seems to me that taking all the skills and other aspects of success and putting it in a box called "intelligence" is just robbing the word of meaning.

Success is good, hard work is good, education is good, persistence is good, you can have all of those things but none of them are intelligence

[grand acorn]

I wanna ask a general coding question, if I'm working on a project, do I need to write the code myself and do everything myself or use stack overflow or google a few things? im new to coding and i dont know if this method of doing things can be considered "cheating" in a way or gaining more experience in coding by building new projects

[fringe sphinx]

As a new programmer: google as much as you want (even "experts" always pull up documentation & google things). Avoid GPT... figure out how to find the information you need, preferably from quality sources.

[grand acorn]

thanks, but why avoid gpt?

[turbid bobcat]

Im aware of the view, I'm arguing against IQ, which is a scalar metric of intelligence.

[fringe sphinx]

A few reasons: it's low quality for programming stuff. The answers it gives are things you could've googled, or should be able to figure out.

[turbid bobcat]

I'm saying those things are a means to improve intelligence.

[fringe sphinx]

Second: it's a crutch. You don't learn by having someone else solve problems. In programming, there's a lot you have to learn: you have to learn how to figure things out. GPT stunts that. It's like going to a gym and having someone else lift your weights.

[grand acorn]

Ahh, thanks!!

[dusky dune]

so i want to be a AI engineer or Data engineer or someone else related to cs. i hv to fill my AL subject selection from 1 weeks time i just hv no idea which subjects i hv to chose. any idea?
like im planning to chose maths, physics and chemis but im not sure whether cs is a must to select in my case to get to a uni

[fringe sphinx]

What country?

[dusky dune]

uk

[tender thicket]

Unfortunately I cannot find the original article that lists it (mostly because the site I visited it from is currently down) but keep in mind that chatGPT also codes like a junior/amateur programmer. It was trained on a corpus of largely amateur works, and despite microsoft claiming they have tools in place to prevent, eg, generation of SQL injection vulnerable code (something that should be fixed in the first hour you learn how to interact with a database), it still does it.

[fringe sphinx]

Yah, I just don't think anyone argues for IQ (as a scalar) anymore.

[white relic]

I'm not saying IQ is a good measure of intelligence. I'm saying "real world impact" is also not a good measure of intelligence, and saying that risks insulting intelligent people who don't meet some arbitrary standard of impacting the "real world"

[tender thicket]

It's much less useful to learn from another amateur than from someone who is more experienced, because not only will they struggle to recognize your mistakes they will be unable to give the context that would let you understand why they are mistakes.

[turbid bobcat]

Yes I understand your objection, the spirit of what I want to say is that intelligence is too complex to be measured in laboratory conditions, unless you fully understand how the brain works down to the level of tracking individual synapses. It is my view that at the moment, it can only be observed "in the wild".

[white relic]

Sure, I agree with that 👍

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know UK education system, but other people here are in UK hopefully they'll answer!

[dusky dune]

Okayy

[near ocean]

thats the kind of question you should ask a career guidance counsellor at your school

[waxen lichen]

Hi if I have a project on which I need feedback/critique should I post it on this channel or is there another channel for that?

[crisp stream]

you can post in #1035199133436354600 with the Code Review tag

[waxen lichen]

Thank you

[quaint fulcrum]

I'm working at a company without any pay. I work as a Data Analyst. How should I put that in my resume?

[balmy spade]

Why are you working for no pay?

Your experience doesn't change, list the applicable skills and achievements on your resume as normal.

[gilded needle]

Under your Career section have an entry for that role. Include the company name, your title, when you started working there and your job responsibilities like normal.

There's no added benefit to showing that you've been unpaid. Other than showing that you're willing to do that for someone else to take advantage of too

[true harness]

you shouldn't disclose your pay to potential employers

[true arch]

i am a cllg student and wanted to learn the language
i wanted to ask if someone expreinced and guide me
like the roadmap
from where should i learn
any e-book and such things

[halcyon holly]

https://inventwithpython.com/ has free ebooks on python from author Al Sweigart ,you might wanna see 'automate boring stuff with python'

and youtube is a good place to learn

there are channels like 'freecodecamp' ,'techwithtim' etc
once you have learned basics ,then you might wanna decide what you want to do with python and make projects on that topic.

[true arch]

can u come to dms

[halcyon holly]

python is really good for machine learning and data science but you can do fun stuff with it like app development using pyqt or game development with pygame or web automation and scrapping using bs4 and selenium

[quaint fulcrum]

I'm looking for a job in the data science field but didn't get any. Not willing to waste time looking, I joined this organisation where atleast I can get experience and develop skills.

[quaint fulcrum]

What should I do if they ask things like my current salary?
When I tell them I'm working for free, they'll have some reservations. How to answer it in a way that'll not get ke rejected?

[near ocean]

Dont tell them how much youre paid then
Talk about how much you want to be paid in the next job instead

[azure heart]

Tell them you don't think your current salary accurately reflects what you expect to be making in this position and then negotiate

[quaint fulcrum]

Yeah, but if I get selected I'll have to submit documents regarding previous company. What then?

[azure heart]

redact the salary

[near ocean]

That sounds illegal-ish, which country is this?

And what documents do they want

[quaint fulcrum]

It's India. I'm pretty sure it ain't illegal here😂

The problem is I can't lie about having any salary because if they ask for documents, I don't have any. I don't want to lie too.
I want to just showcase my experience in such a way that they're alright with me not earning.

[fringe sphinx]

I don't know much about India employment, but other people have said this before (about needing to give salary info), not sure how true.

But, if necessary, it's probably fine to call the job an internship or learning opportunity. Describe it from an educational perspective, somehow.

[idle oasis]

what about belgium

[fringe sphinx]

What about?

[idle oasis]

whats the starting salary

[fringe sphinx]

for what?

[idle oasis]

as junior developer

i wanna be a financial engineer

[fringe sphinx]

🤷🏻 all depends on you and the job. Impossible to predict.

[idle oasis]

but each country does have some kind of a range

[halcyon holly]

Bro it really depends on the company if they are big firm they can blacklist you and it might effect getting job in other companies also

[regal axle]

The ranges are super wild. Not very reliable depending on the country. But yea… it should exist, so you can try to look it up for your country.

[idle oasis]

are you interning

[idle oasis]

is he interning

why doesn't he ask for goverment scholarship

[quaint fulcrum]

That's why I'm not lying, man. I'm being honest.

[ebon quiver]

Hello guys, I am Abhi and I am just trying to grow a youtube channel. I am an introvert so I may be good at coding but I can't express myself. I am sharing my video link. Just look at it and please tell me it is good or what I have to improve in the comment section. Also, mention topics I should touch. My video link is https://youtu.be/VfEPwjofEOg

[quaint fulcrum]

If I lie and say I'm earning some amount and I don't have any documents, they'll surely blacklist me. But I'm being upfront in saying, I'm not earning but working there.

[regal axle]

Are you worried that they won’t give you adequate compensation if they think you are working for “free”?
I don’t know about Indian employment; so sorry if this sounds like an ignorant question. (I mean it kinda is)

[idle oasis]

the problem with india is there are a lot of people who know how to code

so the compition for him is much higher considering there are people living there who can demand lower salary

[ebon quiver]

@idle oasis Man I am just trying out things as It is my first video Let's see what I can learn and how I can improve myself

[idle oasis]

its good just try to talk with intonation its little boring to watch

[ebon quiver]

Hmm

[quaint fulcrum]

My problem is that on my resume I haven't mentioned my experience normally without saying stuff like unpaid or anything. I don't want them to be like, oh you're not getting paid for this.

[hearty island]

ooh, Ericsson wants to interview me!

[fringe sphinx]

A resume isn’t a place to put salary. So that doesn’t seem wrong or misleading. But, if you’re worried, you could put Intern or Volunteer or something to make it clear.

[hearty island]

business performance analyst role

[deft herald]

Cool. Ericsson would be one of the first companies i reached out to if i lost/quit my current job

What does a business performance analyst do?

[hearty island]

Use data and create metrics/dashboards to identify improvements opportunities.
Lead cross-functional projects to improve customer experience and operational efficiency.
Drive strategic projects for North America, and equip executive leaders with information and advice to make fact-based decisions.
Write and communicate effectively with stakeholders across the globe.
Drive automation of data sources working side-by-side with groups like Ericsson Group Data & Analytics team

[deft herald]

Sounds like a good opportunity

[hearty island]

yeah i think so

[prisma sail]

Hey I know this isn't Python but, I have a course this semester and a follow up course next semester for Swift, should I just buy a macbook or is macincloud sufficient for coding in xcode?

[distant dune]

Hello everyone, I'm currently in my second year of university, majoring in Computer Science for Economics. I'm wondering about the amount of experience needed to land a job in this field. I've always been concerned about not having a solid backup plan (PLAN B) in case I don't make it into the tech industry, which can be quite competitive. Any tips on overcoming this fear?

[peak halo]

I've never heard of "Computer Science for x" degrees. is this in north america or europe? have you applied for any internships?

[smoky quest]

by definition, entry level do not require experience. So you would be able to enter the field in an entry level position without any experience

!rule 9

[inner wren]

Rules

9. Do not offer or ask for paid work of any kind.

[distant dune]

Europe, didn't apply for internships yet, i will studying next semester in the Netherlands for one semester (ERASMUS+ program)

[fluid eagle]

Where do I post paid job opportunity?

[distant dune]

I guess all my thoughts were wrong, thank you!

[smoky quest]

linkedin or indeed are popular places.
upwork or fiverrrr for freelance

[fluid eagle]

I want to post a job for free. Those platforms are at least paid to post

[smoky quest]

there is no such place for it in this discord server

[fluid eagle]

Okay, thank you for informing

[full flicker]

Yes but isn’t programming a little different ? I always had a vision when creating short films and I would always go on YouTube as a guide to certain edits and effects. Isn’t CS like always changing you require pattern recognition in order to succeed ?

No the less I’m looking into more programs, thank you all for the encouraging words yesterday and today

[smoky quest]

that analogy may be taken too far, but it's like editing a movie of a horse and then a movie of a cat and then a movie of a dog

[fringe sphinx]

I also meant: if you're technical enough to figure out video editing software, and can think logically about how things interconnect, you're technical enough to learn basic programming.

[unique sapphire]

learning programming is like learning a new language, the sooner you start the better

[verbal sleet]

Hey guys could yall give me some feed back on my resume. Im a second year right now trying to apply for internships this summer so I dont have much.

[spiral marten]

What semester are you in?

[vapid jay]

Hi

[uncut pulsar]

Hello

[zealous path]

imo should remove the “dad” part from experience. The recruiter doesn’t need to know who owns the company and makes you seem more employable.

[plush summit]

Yeah sounds better without that imo aswell

[near ocean]

Intro to X courses are not worth mentioning, havent you studied anything more advanced yet?

[regal axle]

On that OOP point, there is more I can go into about it. But not right this second; I gotta go do stuff.

[copper otter]

can someone help on #off-topic-lounge-text

[vapid jay]

u guys making money in coding

[fringe sphinx]

Yes

[vapid jay]

wat do u do

[white relic]

I make money and coding is a part of my job. does that count?

[vapid jay]

i finished python fundamentals but dontknow wat to start working on

[vapid jay]

i mean sure that is good

[white relic]

well, why are you learning Python? Any career goals or specific interests in mind?

[vapid jay]

i was gonna make apps

or addons for blender

[rose loom]

how

[fringe sphinx]

I write code, and get paid for it.

[rose loom]

woww thats cool, what type of code do you write.

[fringe sphinx]

Data engineering: I take data and turn it into something that data scientists / analysts can use.

[rose loom]

That's so cool

[weak kindle]

Do you use alot of maths in that?@fringe sphinx

[fringe sphinx]

That might be 15% of my job... I overlap with the analysts / data scientists: I need to speak their language.

[weak kindle]

Could you tell some of the maths topics that you use

[fringe sphinx]

Because I deal with Finance, statistics is the most important topic. If there's anything to really master, I think stats. Linear algebra is also a daily thing, although this is more practical usage. Calculus is important to understand to understand ML, although I'm not doing calculus, I still need to understand it.

[hearty island]

here we go! interview w Ericsson scheduled 🙂

i applied to them around a month ago

[hearty island]

the recruiter who interviewed me for volkwagen left the company 😦 and has no idea what the status of my app is

and i just saw the role pop up, they're recruiting for it again smh

[weak kindle]

What role?

[hearty island]

biz analyst

[weak kindle]

Oo

[silk mauve]

eh, maybe more likely to get a response in here. Anyone have any experience with Remotasks? Just got messaged by them on linked in and wondering if it's an okay way to get paid while practicing my dev skills or w/e.

[shadow finch]

is dsa required for cloud engineer or devops roles?

[peak halo]

in practice? no. whether or not you'll be asked DSA questions during the interview is another question.

[shadow finch]

will be asked in interviews?

[peak halo]

right, that depends on the company. but you have to take a DSA course to get a CS degree anyway.

[shadow finch]

yeah

[dreamy spade]

I’m wondering if it’s still a good idea for me to show non-technical co-workers the code for a task that has been completed during technical meetings. Do any of you guys do that?

Since it’s a technical meeting and it’s regarding our software. I reckon it would be decently educational if I visually fill them in on what’s going on.

[knotty oar]

Can anyone tell me where can i download oreilly books for free?

[dreamy spade]

For instance I had to explain to them crontab

[turbid bobcat]

Uhm, sounds like there's gonna be another layoffs wave

[hearty island]

rip me ig

[turbid bobcat]

That's not a good start for the year. Ig working at big tech is not safe.

[near ocean]

They'll be alright
Its people from smaller tech companies getting fired who are in trouble

Someone from X big name company wont struggle to find another job and shouldnt struggle with bills while looking

[turbid bobcat]

Yeah it's true. I've seen many get a job within a month last year. Though people with visa tied to their employment got put into a bad spot.

[dreamy spade]

Anyone?

[peak halo]

if they don't know how to write code, what are they supposed to take away from looking at it?

[true harness]

it doesn't really make sense to me. it's difficult enough even for a programmer to just look at code to get an understanding of the big picture

[dreamy spade]

I usually do it to document that a certain task has been completed so they can’t say I wasn’t working on it

[peak halo]

if they can't read code, they can't read your code and recognize that as proof that you completed a certain task.
is there a reason you're concerned they won't trust you?

[dreamy spade]

is there a reason you're concerned they won't trust you?

Loaded question. I posted screenshots of code to reference that a task has been completed in our OneNote. I won’t do that anymore if it’s bad practice.

My manager also didn’t know the science behind how our software integrated data in the first place. It didn’t seem like the predecessor of the developer working on the project explained it to him.

Maybe I should communicate to them in layman’s terms moving forward

[crisp stream]

you could also ask for feedback on what level of detail they want from your status updates

[fringe sphinx]

I think posting the crontab entry is a good idea, I’d put that in a GitHub issue for sure. Or, I’ll put a screenshot or brief description of a fix. I might highlight a block of code or configuration parameters that is essential to a given issue too.

Or, it might make sense to explain that a crontab entry lets you set different periods, since this is generally good information that may come up in another task.

[proven crest]

Theres no point showing code to people who can't read code. Thats like me speaking French to someone who doesn't speak French.

They most likely would appreciate an explanation on a level they can understand.

[fringe sphinx]

lol, https://youtu.be/0BzGlfm1wFo?feature=shared is what I imagined

[dreamy spade]

Great feedback guys. I’ll stop posting screenshots of code.

[dreamy spade]

Video is not available in my country (Canada)

[fringe sphinx]

Search “key and peele French”

[near ocean]

You could show the results of the code instead of the code itself

Thats what i do with non tech people at work
Theyre not interested in how something is implemented, just that it works the way they want it to

[true harness]

yeah. i demo the website and its features, not the code that makes the features work

[near ocean]

It also helps with catching miscommunication, if they said x and meant y but you understood and implemented z, thats not always gonna show up through the code

Ofc you should always try to clarify before you start working and not implement the entire thing only then to find out they wanted something else haha

[tender spindle]

i need help

someone can help me ?

is a simple question

[analog sun]

Hello, this is the #career-advice channel, do you have a problem relating to that?

[tender spindle]

it is no abou the channel

[analog sun]

Then I would recommend #python-discussion , or #❓｜how-to-get-help if you have a specific question regarding some code

[hollow vine]

Hey guys, I'm new here. I started learning Python last year, and I'm trying to make a career change ASAP. I put in like 2-3 hours everyday after work, and I'm currently following an amazing Udemy boot camp. The thing is, I'm really overwhelmed by all the different job titles and specific types of programming careers. To get to the point, if I continue to spend more time on Python, what are some careers that I'd likely to get into relatively quickly without too much other outside knowledge? I see a lot of Data Analyst stuff, which really doesn't sound bad. But what other options do I realistically have?

It's tough because I see such abstract definitions of these job titles and responsibilities which makes it hard for me to hone in on what would be best for me

[buoyant seal]

Web development does have Backend development, QA-Quality Assurance people, system administrators, frontend developers.

Without prior education:

• system administrators, Frontend developers and QA engineers are most common beginner friendly jobs.

• DevOps engineer job is friendly for former system administrators administrators and backend people

• backend development is somewhat more demanding and more recommended as first direction for university graduates

[buoyant seal]

Data analysts and data science job positions are as far as I know friendly only for university graduates with math orientation. Preferable more than bachelor's degree

[buoyant seal]

The most education simple jobs are then

• manual QA I guess (may be u can do automated too)
• system administrators
• CRM wordpess devs
• frontend I guess again
• project managers
• web designer
  Those six jobs are more known to be friendly to people without university education

[buoyant seal]

Perhaps u can tell us your education, previous job experience and your strengths? 🙂 then may be better recommendations can be made

[hollow vine]

Thank you for the insight 🙂. I have a bachelor's degree in graphic and multimedia design, and a couple years of experience within that field outside of college. I've dabbled with Unity just enough to make a pretty basic game and gain some knowledge on C#. Because of that I feel comfortable with oop and enjoy modifying my python programs to reflect that. I'm not sure if that background changes any of your insights, but It would be nice to know what you think

As for strengths, I'm sure it won't stand out from many programmers, but I'm naturally analytical, enjoy complex problems and efficiency. Outside of that, I've been taking notes of the best practices while learning programming, as I think that's important.

[buoyant seal]

Sounds like u have heavy bonuses towards Frontend development career then.
Optionally web design too. Or both to pursue.
Or going towards game development and being graphic designer for them.

[buoyant seal]

Add here bonuses towards UI/UX designer

[hollow vine]

Thanks again for the input! I found it helpful. I'm a little torn because I have a spark for certain aspects of coding, but I suppose for the short term it's best to just get something that's going to work for my current experience. I can always work on my own things on the side. Maybe small applications. I really like to see applications come to life through my code.

I suppose ui/ux would be a good fit to in order to meet between

[brazen trail]

explaining code is great, if you document it as well you'll be valued 🙂

[balmy spade]

Documentation and explaining clearly are skills worth learning. You also need to speak to the audience. Even in a technical meeting, if your audience is non-technical then you are focusing on the behavior and result of the code. Showing what the code does and explaining what the code solves for (what value does it bring). Those are talking points for the non-technical audience.

[real obsidian]

I have a question. how would I go about getting a degree in computer science if almost all universities require a 3.0 GPA & a few additional requirements for their computer science major? I didn't do to well in HS until my last two years I graduated with a 2.7 GPA and did a bit of community college before dropping out and joining the workforce. is it over for me?

[smoky quest]

Depending on your location, there can be classes to take to bridge or redo the parts where you were not successful

[real obsidian]

like classes in a university or classes at a college that I could then use to transfer over to a university?

[smoky quest]

something like that. Including community colleges

[real obsidian]

ill take a look. thank you

[fringe sphinx]

The secret is: universities want your $$. There’s always a way.

[real obsidian]

so I can convince my way in

[smoky quest]

I would use that as an opportunity to reflect: if your GPA is so low that normal schools do not want you as is, even if you had a magic want to convince people, it's unlikely you would be successful.
There is no magic nor trick.

So if you can find a school that accepts you with your low GPA, make sure to catch up and work harder so that you don't waste your opportunity

[sand patio]

going back to community college is an option as well, isn't it? improve your GPA a bit and transfer into another uni.

[real obsidian]

lmao I was just going along ik I have a lot of work ahead of me before I even consider going to a uni

[smoky quest]

you would be surprised how many people think they just need some luck and someone to trick 😉
Nice to see you also want to fix the root cause

[gritty rivet]

I'm pretty sure WGU doesn't care about your GPA, and they're probably not the only ones.

A more traditional degree is well worth it if you can work it, but if not, just aim a little lower and you'll still be fine

[mighty cosmos]

Hey guys. Back in September I spoke with a ceo of a local fintech company and he told me if I learned Python I could do an internship with them. He never really told me how well versed I need to be, how do I determine if I’m ready for an internship?

[fringe sphinx]

A good baseline is being able to complete some practice problems on a site like codewars or similar. Any intro program (ie: A Byte of Python and/or CS50p) would give you the foundation. This would require understanding of basic Python skills. For fintech, I’d add on some basic data skills, like on Kaggle.com/learn. A good test is being able to read a spreadsheet, modify the data in some way, and write again…. Not easy but would mean you can do something more than ‘basic’.

This might be the rare case where (assuming you have no degree) completing cs50p certificate or similar would be helpful: something to demonstrate you followed his advice.

[mighty cosmos]

@fringe sphinx Thanks for the advice. I actually built a finance related project but used GitHub copilot quite a bit…

[fringe sphinx]

Yup, just keep coding and try to not use AI, especially not for the basics. Get used to opening the documentation: Python.org, pandas, etc, rather than searching an answer

[brisk cloak]

hey guys, i am looking for some suggestions. has anyone here developed any type of product or service, like an app? To clarify first, my friend and i developed an amazing product. i want to state upfront that i have no intention of advertising my app here, just want to learn. despite knowing we built something in demand, we have covered all the loopholes in that particular niche, and our product/app is 100% better than that of our competitors—as we have put our days and nights into it for weeks—we have gained some early traction through a little sharing on discord servers. our user base is limited, and growth is slow as it is purely organic (no advertisement). we have not pursued paid advertising due to a lack of experience and funds (maybe thats just my bias), but we have received good, genuine reviews. however, it feels demotivating when the momentum breaks, and we are not able to achieve the traction it deserves. does anyone have experience with this? i am looking for some genuine tips or new strategies to try. i am ready to put my days and nights into this and open to new ideas

[harsh river]

i have had a similar experience, with a project that sounds like it followed the same path as you, the thing is i spent so much time and effort on getting things to work the way i wanted them and efficiently, i put all my energy day and night and by the time it was done and ready to be released, i was very burnt out, i took a step back and realized that, what i ended up doing was taking a break for a month or so, took a little vacation and recovered and then marketed my product

[brisk cloak]

ya same feeling, but i already take 3 days breaks and travel, now instead making next product, want some innovative ideas to market it

[harsh river]

the only advice i could give you is to release the product, wait for feedback, and then improve and innovate based on the feedback 🙂, that's what i did.

[brisk cloak]

fair thanks man

[verbal sleet]

Thank you for this and the others that commented on it, for the name I have it just didnt ss it for obvious reasons. for some of the titles being blue they are links and the one that isnt blue I dont have on github. Ill update it really quick and post it again. And thanks for the thumbs up for the game library one. Its much simpilar than what i make it out too be. It doesnt have a ui but Im gunna learn how tkinter works so I can make one.

[verbal sleet]

im starting my 4th sem

[verbal sleet]

im starting my 4th sem so not really. Data strucs and algo is the latest one ive taken

[verbal sleet]

Seems to be something a lot of people said so I changed it a bit

[verbal sleet]

this is it fix with yall suggestions.

[robust island]

I keep hearing about all these tech job layoffs, I heard there was recently 500 people who lost their jobs at twitch. Has it always been like this where hundreds of people get fired at once? Is it something I should be concerned about when I enter the workforce?

[smoky quest]

it has always been the case and it's nothing new.

[kindred apex]

I want to ask regarding Python programming career. I have 4 years of experience as an ERP System Admin (there is another 2 years as a Warehouse Admin but let's scratch that for now). I'm a Computer Science fresh graduate student, but I never learned about Python at my uni, just self-taught stuff (I only study Cobol, C++, and Golang in my uni)

If I'm trying to do a career switch to a let's say, Junior Programmer that is related to Python. What do you think should I do to impress the recruiter if I'm going to apply as a Junior Programmer? Do some certification? Makes some projects?

The only portfolio that I got right now is just my thesis website that are PHP based with Laravel framework, nothing is related with Python

Thanks in advance!

[smoky quest]

A certificate means nothing comparing to a degree. It's like bringing up some stuff from middle school. That would actually signal something is wrong with your degree and you may have not entirely deserved it.

In terms of languages, they are just tools. Don't frame yourself as a Cobol programmer or a c++ programmer. You are a software engineer. And as such you won't have any problem picking up any language

[smoky quest]

So walk backward from job posts you would like to apply and look at your gaps so that you can work on these and make relevant projects and pick up the relevant technologies

[kindred apex]

So in the end I have to fit with the job vacancy that I'm trying to apply, makes sense. But the thing is I'm still working as an ERP now, so what I'm doing with Python is just something like side project. Does there is any some general project that could make the recruiter think "Oh this man can do and understand Python"?

I just want to set my goals right now, any advice is always welcome

[smoky quest]

It's a cost function. The further you are from the role they are hiring for, the more costly.
the same way if you were to look for someone to fix your car. A mechanic who has only worked on boats before is better than someone who has never fixed anything, but still not as good as someone who has fixed cars before

At the entry level, companies are looking for potential rather than experience

[kindred apex]

Hmmm true, I'm just done looking at some portal job, and mostly something that are related to Python is either IT Analyst or Web Developer. Do you think it's a good idea if I try to make some landing page or one page website as my initial project with Python? I will probably use Django as the framework

Or Flask, I haven't tried Flask but google said it's a good framework too

[buoyant seal]

I will be very impressed if u will just write any complex backend or library project, that solves some people problems
And has very high documenting, unit testing and static typing coverage (above 90%)
Tldr: something like starlette presented
https://www.starlette.io/
https://github.com/encode/starlette

[smoky quest]

landing pages use html/js, not python.
So if you aim for python, you should look more at backend

[kindred apex]

I never considered this, but this is a helpful insight. I think it will take me some time to make something like that, or I think I will just make something that could help me to do my job more efficiently on my current job, instead of doing some random project 🤔

[buoyant seal]

to do my job more efficiently

Good idea. That how I do some of my projects too. Like making CLI fool for enforcing git commit format, generating changeligogs from them, and suggesting next semantic versions
Autogit

[kindred apex]

Ohhhhh after you said this, I tried to look it up on the job portal and now I understand what I need to learn on Python. It's kinda more complex than I thought, but I will give it a try. Thanks!

[buoyant seal]

Now I am wishing to implement sphinx/mkdocs analog for golang. Really missing to have such tool there to generate documentation easier

[kindred apex]

The thing is most of my job consists of an internal system, there is some big system like Infor and WFX if you ever heard of it. Do you think I should still put my project on Git Hub? Or just keep it personally and show it to the recruiter if they ask for it?

[buoyant seal]

How your first phrases regrading company job are related to your personal projects?

Anyway I recommend publishing personal projects on GitHub (optionally Gitlab)
Keep it public

[buoyant seal]

Without having pet projects public u will not be able to receive feedback how to improve them and will not acquire user base.
Acquired user base is very important to receive further feedback and requests for fixes and features.
It makes perfect truly alive and impressive
Dead projects, not alive after their first implementation aren't impressive

[kindred apex]

Ohh I think I got the gist of it, like what should I do with this project but keeping it personal without making it related to company stuff

I will consider releasing it to the public. I just hope my current idea in my head can be released to the public. Since what I have right now is related to Excel but still using the company app to export the data, something related to Pivot Table (also as you said, I hope this won't be a dead project)

Anyway, thanks for the help! Both of you really gives me a helpful insight regarding the Programming job

[buoyant seal]

Since what I have right now is related to Excel but still using the company app to export the data
Your app should be having sane How to get started to use it instruction, and very highly preferably without requirement of having acquired some not related to your project paid product ^_^
you set very difficult requirements to get started to use it otherwise.

[buoyant seal]

In general for your own pet projects best to keep amount of... dependencies/requirements for its operating to possible minimum if posisble.
That will help the project to remain working through years with your career and giving you room to maintain and expand in features further. (thus project will remain useful to you for multiple job huntings through your career)
Having dependency on some another public free project can be nice nevertheless though, because u resolve problem of this specific community and tap into their user base
Anyway, better to make choices wisely here, balancing between "easy to get started using it", "least dependencies for multi year easier support and development", "tapping into some user bases"

[vapid jay]

is coding a good way to make million

[kindred apex]

Alright, thanks! I think some of those would be too advance for me since I'm still learning on Python itself but I got your point

[hazy pumice]

yo

i am new to proggraming i just started learning from Bro Code course in yt

is it really helpfull?

[vapid jay]

yes

[static sage]

Some one can help for create a bot?

[hazy pumice]

aw u tried it?

[vapid jay]

a year ago
and it helped me a bit in python, and made me want to dig deeper, which made me go into paid courses

[hazy pumice]

then what u did after learning it?

[vapid jay]

paid courses, mimo, etc

[hazy pumice]

oh and u got money from proggraming or u well?

[vapid jay]

yessirrrrr

[hazy pumice]

how? and ur arabic?

[vapid jay]

I am from lebanon, my dad took me to sweden to start learning, and i was interested in programming since I was a child so then i was able to do a change and learn more programming

which pushed me to do paid courses and use mimo for reviewing purposes

[hazy pumice]

ye but how u got money?

[earnest rose]

heyy is someone there

[hazy pumice]

ye

[gritty rivet]

No. Why not just ask your actual question?

[gritty rivet]

If you have no better projects that's probably better then nothing

It's likely that nobody will actually read your code in any depth so it doesn't need to be perfect. How exactly you present it on your resume and GitHub and how you talk about it in interviews... All that can be important

Maybe ok but probably nobody cares.

Keep the focus on what skills you learned or demonstrated through the project. This can include soft skills as well as technical stuff

[hazy pumice]

nah u guys need to get money how much yall did made from programing

[gritty rivet]

A lot. Enough to buy a house. Having a job rules.

[hazy pumice]

hackerrrrrrrr, just joking but how howwwwwwww

[gritty rivet]

The normal way: get a CS degree, get good internships, graduate, profit

My route: get an irrelevant degree, be poor for years until you give up on your other dreams, get a CompTIA A+ cert, get a desktop support job while you continue to learn programming on your own, do a part-time bootcamp to polish up your portfolio and network with people in the industry, find a software engineering job, profit

[hazy pumice]

so i need to get degree or cert

[true harness]

you need to get degree